Habs have to be better for next game, Subban says after 7-2 drubbing by Rangers (Video)

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Maybe Rene Bourque put it most bluntly.

“We got our asses kicked all over the ice, plain and simple,” he said after the Canadiens 7-2 drubbing by the New York Rangers on Saturday in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference final.

“They came out strong. We were just not sharp (today…I don’t think anybody really played well,” Bourque said.

“They got all the loose pucks. They out-competed us and took some penalties and they capitalized. That’s basically what happened.”

Bourque said he thought the Habs had a bit of an emotional let down after winning their series against the Boston Bruins.

“We talked about that too going into the game (this afternoon) and obviously it didn’t click. But we’ve got to just forget about this game and move on,” he said.

Canadiens defenceman P.K. Subban also talked about turning the page after the embarrassing loss at the Bell Centre.

“We have to be better for the next game,” he said.

“That’s not our hockey team that played today. We know we’re a different team than that. We can be a lot better,” Subban added.

“I think all over the ice they beat us. They worked harder. They were on the puck. They were aggressive. They were hungry.”

They knew the Rangers were a fast team, Subban said. “We’ve got speed, too.”

Habs fans held their breath when Carey Price appeared to be hurt when Chris Kreider ran into him in the Canadiens’ net in the second period. But the Canadiens goaltender stayed in the game for the rest of the period that saw the Rangers score back-to-back goals within a 50-second span. 

Back-up goaltender Peter Budaj replaced Price at the start of the third. Things didn’t get any better for the Habs. The Rangers scored three power-play goals in just over three minutes early in the third.

When Canadiens coach Michel Therrien was asked if pulling Price was injury related, he said: “That was more to protect him than anything, because we were not sharp in front of him.”

“We were not ready mentally, physically… to compete for a game like that with the result that we saw,” the coach said.

“We’ll put that game behind us. We’re going to move forward, but that’s a good lesson.”

You can hear more of what Subban had to say here:

You can listen to what Bourque had to say here:

(Video: Brenda Branswell)

Rangers put a 7-2 whupping on Habs, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

‘We got our asses kicked,’ Habs’ Bourque says, by Pat Hickey

Canadiens up against speed, sympathy, by Jack Todd


  1. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    The Price knee-watch is on. Makes me very, very anxious.
    Meanwhile, might it be wise to break up Emelin and Markov? Maybe pair Emelin with Gorges and Subban with Markov?
    And while we’re playing the juggle game, when Galchenyuk is ready (likely Thursday), what about having him and Gallagher centered by Pleks? And move Vanek back up with DD and Patches? Not out of a sense of panic, but because DD is not a shooter. He’s always looking to dish, and he needs a second finisher like Vanek to make it difficult on defensive coverage.
    Plus, the two Gallys have a real synergy together, and Pleks can make up for some of Galchenyuk’s inevitable missed defensive zone coverages.
    The Eller line, I wouldn’t touch. Best, most consistent line all playoffs.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  2. Ron says:

    New thread is up..

  3. Timo says:

    Is Galchenyuk indeed draws in, would Therrien put him on Pleks line and maybe reunite Vanek with DD and Pacioretty? That line was playing well towards the end of the season.

  4. 24 Cups says:

    Read into it what you will.

    JohnLuTSNMtl: #Habs optional practice. Price, Subban, Plekanec, Gorges, Eller missing (11:10AM).

    24.6 Cups

  5. Timo says:

    I don’t get all these head games with “injured/not injured” info. Would Rangers game be thrown completely out of whack if Habs said that Budaj is starting? Would they need to learn from scratch how to play hockey? Would they be going to a completely different approach to the game? The most adjustment they’d have to do is for example shoot glove side instead of the blocker side, or something like that.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Further to that, is there anything to stop a coach from lying? Announce Price but start Dubnyk? (“Oh Carey felt a twinge in warm-up….”)

  6. Psycho29 says:

    Stubbs on twitter says Budaj and Tokarski working the practice.

    Chantal M tweets that Price was on ice alone with Stephane Waite an hour before practice. Tested leg and left after 5 minutes…..

  7. 24 Cups says:

    Today’s poll has 91 votes to take the team’s captain out of the line-up for the next game.

    Thanks for posting on HI/O!

    24.6 Cups

  8. Strummer says:

    From Bruce Arthur of the Toronto Star

    “maybe Montreal just doesn’t do afternoon games.

    (The 1 p.m. start, by the way, was yet another fond farewell screw-you from the NHL and NBC to Montreal, to the CBC, and to Canada in general. As Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said, “In Canada hockey is Saturday night, not Saturday afternoon. So maybe we caught them a little bit.”)”

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Pathetic eh? To make room for a frikkin Horse Race! Or was it a Stock Car race? Or Bowling?

      • Puck Bard says:

        Down here it was Rasslin’

        • frontenac1 says:

          I loved the Old “Rasslin! Can’t stand the new stuff. Used to go once every year to the Forum in Mtl and the Gardens in Toronto. Last match I went to was the first ever Steel Cage Match in the early “80”s. Andre The Giant,Lou Penterra,Big John Stud and The Junkyard Dog were all in the cage at the same time. It was great.Saludos!

    • JUST ME says:

      « yet another fond farewell screw-you from the NHL and NBC to Montreal» .
      Could not agree more. Call me old fashion or whatever but to shut the door on people that care and have the knowledge of the exact value of the sport is rather insulting. By the way, it does not only apply to MTL or Canada . If you gave the choice to most american cities you would have surprising answers. I know that hockey is far from being the number 1 sport in the U.S.A. but i fail to understand why canadian markets should be sacrificed and or taken for granted.

    • Gumper Knows Best says:

      MONTREAL — It had all changed, all of it in the wake of the injury to Carey Price that has sidelined the Canadiens’ world-class, gold-medal-winning, franchise goaltender for the remainder of the Eastern finals.

      Suddenly, it was dramatically different. Suddenly, and for the first time since the first pucks were dropped in training camps across the continent back in September, the Rangers were overwhelming favorites to come out of the East.

      Yes, that’s right: the Rangers.

      Except it was not different at all for these Blueshirts, who seem entirely nonplussed by all the commotion and whose tunnel vision was and is 20-20 just as it has been through this entire tournament.

      It had not changed for the Rangers, who head home for Thursday’s Game 3 at the Garden with a 2-0 lead in this series following Monday night’s 3-1 Game 2 victory, in which Henrik Lundqvist’s brilliance proved a calm port in the frenzied storm unleashed by the Habs pretty much from start to finish.

      Shots: 41-30, Canadiens, including 19 in the third period. Shot attempts: 80-44, including 32 over the final 20 minutes. Priceless.

      “You could give him that stupid hat every game,” Brian Boyle, with no intention of blaspheming that Broadway fedora, said of Lundqvist. “If you’re talking about things not changing, he’s the first person to look at.”

      Boyle had pulled off his skates. Blood dotted the pinky toe of his left foot. That’s what you get — well, not you and certainly not I — from getting in front of a shot by P.K. Subban, who recorded an ungodly 18 attempts in 29:40, nine of which hit net, three of which were blocked.

      “It’s bleeding!” Boyle exclaimed. “That is sick.”

      Before the game, it was all about Price, injured when Chris Kreider crashed into him at 3:15 of the second period of Game 1. It was all about Price, that is, when it wasn’t about all about Kreider, whom the Canadiens and coach Michel Therrien painted as a menace to the society of goaltenders around the world.

      Let’s make it clear, to borrow the language used by Lundqvist following the morning skate: There was nothing Kreider, faster than a speeding bullet and more powerful than a locomotive, could have done to avoid skidding into Price after he was clipped on the right skate on his sprint to the net by a hopelessly beaten Alexei Emelin.

      The Montreal fans booed Kreider every time he touched the puck. That included the shift late in the first on which he sent a three-on-two feed across to Rick Nash — goal-scorer Rick Nash, to you — who buried it for a 2-1 lead at 18:58.

      “I thought it was hilarious,” Kreider told The Post when asked his reaction to the hubbub. “To tell you the truth, it helped me get up for the game.

      “It lit a fire under my ass that I don’t think is going away anytime soon.”

      Who was that masked man in the Montreal net? It was 24-year-old Dustin Tokarski, who made his NHL playoff debut accompanied by a pedigree of championships earned in the Memorial Cup, World Junior Tournament and the AHL. He was fine; blameless on the three against.

      Honestly, it only mattered that Lundqvist was in the net at the other end; Lundqvist, who for so much of the first and third periods did indeed seem like The Lone Ranger.

      “You have to go out and earn it every game. The first two here, I think we played well for the most part,” The King said. “I had to make a couple of saves here and there, but as a group we played really well.

      “I don’t really think about what’s in their head [or] what is their approach. I don’t really care. I just try to focus on what I have to do, really.”

      The Rangers mind their own business and nobody else’s. It has become a hallmark of this team.

      “That’s not something that just comes, you’ve got to work on it, and we do,” Boyle said. “Our leadership in here sets a great example for us.

      “We didn’t focus on who was playing in goal for them. We didn’t expect it to be any easier just because of the change. We had a write-up from the coaches before the series of what we needed to do to beat Montreal, and that stayed the same whether Price was in net or not.”

      The Rangers have won five straight playoff games for the first time in 20 years, since the 1994 parade began with seven straight out of the gate. The Finals are two victories away.

      “We’ve earned that,” Boyle said. “We’ve worked really hard to get where we are. But now it’s about Thursday and nothing else. It’s about that tunnel vision.”

      It is about one at a time for the overwhelming favorites to come out of the East and play for the Stanley Cup.

      The Rangers.

      Tell me nothing has changed.

  9. Strummer says:

    TSN panel gave the Habs a mulligan.
    Panelist Mike J. (whose last name is spam apparently) said playing afternoon games is a disadvantage for Canadian based teams. He hated them because it messes up your body chemistry.

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  10. Tomi says:

    Is Michael Therrien still the coach of this team??

    This team is an effing joke. I knew they would start losing eventually….

  11. JUST ME says:

    I have a hard time making a judgement call about the team`s performance or lack of in yesterday`s debacle. How soon we forget that the same roster hammered the last nail in the Bruins` coffin !

    So i just do not think that any changes are in order and think that the message was clear for everyone that witnessed this poor showing.

    There is a saying in french that says we got rid of a bad one we had in the system meaning that this one was to be expected ,was coming and nothing we could do could prevent it from happening and now that it is done we can move forward and get back to business.

  12. FlyAngler says:

    I Think that there might have been a rush to judgment in the Kreider case with regard to his taking out Carey Price. While there is certainly some “reasonable doubt” about his intentions, his past history would lead me believe that in all likelihood this was not an accident at all. Kreider has been guilty of numerous dangerous hits including this one which I think is a good indication of what you are dealing with in terms of character… and let us not ignore the fact that although he is a Ranger, he grew up down here in the shadows of Mordor in Boston…..


    “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

  13. Bash says:

    Anyone who has played competitive sport at any significant level knows that it is very difficult to rebound from an emotional win. Yes rebound is the word. After that 7th game against the Bwooins with so much on the line these guys were psychologically drained – there is no preparation for that.
    The NY win was big for them but it did not have any anywhere near the weight of our series.
    We will be better in Game 2 and much better in NY. Therrien will need to tweak the lineup for this opponent and we have enough resources to do that. Weiss might be the answer to protect the outside speed against Emelin for example. Galchenyuk might provide some spark and more puck possession.
    Let’s assume there is no Price injury.
    And isn’t this the kind of game we wanted. Skill on skill? Speed on speed? Our goalie against their’s? These are the games where Gionta, Briere, Desharnais and Gallagher can really bring it.
    Go Habs!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  14. 24 Cups says:

    Cap Geek has posted their new salary features for the 2014-15 season (which are based on 71.1M). Here’s a look at the Montreal Canadiens.


    24.6 Cups

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Thanks for this Steve!!

    • piper says:

      IMO in the summer they should let most of the UFAs go unless Markov will take 2 years at 5 per.
      They should keep Weaver if he doesn’t want a big raise. Resign all RFAs if possible.
      Then go shopping for a power winger to play with Patch and Chucky on the top line (Chris Stewart).
      Move either one of Plek or Desharnais and keep the other as #3 centre.
      Eller should get the #2 centre spot.
      Both Tinordi and Beaulieu should be in the lineup next year and bring up Pateryn or Nygren if needed.

  15. Ian Cobb says:

    YUP! Prust will probably sit out and Chucky in.
    I think Bournival’s speed is needed on the fore check and back check.

  16. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Mike was asked in his presser if he pulled Carey in the 3rd because he was injured. He said No.He pulled him to protect him because he was getting no support in front. He also said the crash was an accident. In Carey”s words “Chill”. Habs in 6. Saludos!

    • Frank2468 says:

      True that’s what was said crash was an accident but If this accident sidelines price then there is big trouble in Dodge but we have to wait and see. If price is OK I have no doubt the Habs will bounce back. If Price is OK not then it could every well be curtains.

    • FlyAngler says:

      I hope that you are correct Front, but this reminds me of the words spoken by the Wicked Witch of the West to Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz after the house fell on and killed her sister the Wicked Witch of the East, Dorothy had claimed that the incident was an accident, to which the witch responded:

      “I can make accidents happen too.” Just sayin’

      “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

    • Fansincebirth says:

      As much as I like to cut people some slack, I think the crash into Price was accidental but what I don’t like about it is the way he went in skate blades up. THAT was HIS choice.

    • Timo says:

      not to mention that Price himself wasn’t super sharp. I still think he is injured though. He didn’t look right after that hit.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        (Humph, Timo. What’s with the “.” yesterday?! How stupid does my reply look now?!)

        • Timo says:

          LOL, sorry bud. My post for some reason appeared at the very bottom of the page and didn’t make sense at all (not that it does otherwise) so I just scratched it. When I reloaded after a while it appeared in its rightful place again but by then I forgot what piece of wisdom I dropped on HIO 20 minutes ago. 🙂

          Btw, thank you for you post earlier, Mike.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            And maybe you missed it, but “CONFIRMED” was back briefly yesterday before getting zapped for no apparent reason. I welcomed him back. Must have p’d off someone important big-time previously.

  17. PK says:

    Waiting to hear some news about
    Pricey… Is there a practice today?
    Rags are not as good as yesterday’s score would suggest.
    Hopefully, they don’t have the edge in net …Price > Lundqvist > Budaj

    • Ian Cobb says:

      There is nothing wrong with Price!
      I said that he would not start the 3rd period right after Rangers 4th goal!

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agreed Ian! Listening to Mike post game he basically said the same thing.

      • Frank2468 says:

        Ian I really hope your 100% right on this, just the timing that has people wondering he got hurt played the rest of the period and then out for the Third and we know that price has some kind of knee thing to begin with and replay cameras don’t lie. Now if Price didn’t get hurt and was pulled then we’d all be saying M.T is protecting him. Just sitting here waiting for some kind of confirmation just like the rest of us. We all know how far this team goes rests on the shoulders of Price.

  18. FlyAngler says:

    With regard to the Bourque question consider this data:

    To date in the playoffs so far the Habs have scored 38 goals. Ten have come on the PP and they have scored 2 shorthanded, which means that they have scored 26 even strength goals. Rene Bourque has FIVE of those- almost 25% or one out of every four.

    So with all respect and esteem for my fellow posters, there are only two logical candidates to sit should Chucky come back and they are Bournival & Prust who have 3 points between them and yes I get that they contribute in other ways, but the Rangers are playing disciplined hockey, which means not a lot of PP opportunities for us, which means we need to be able to score 5 on 5 and Bourque and Briere are both players who have demonstrated that they can do that in the playoffs.
    Bournival has not and Prust has not been doing it lately. Pretty cut and dried if you ask me.

    Let’s just pray that Carey is good to go for game 2!

    “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

    • piper says:

      Gionta could sit IMO.

    • frontenac1 says:

      I like Bournival but I am starting to notice he is skating like crazy but not making anything out of it. Kind of like a fart in a mitt. Maybe sit him and give Whitey a chance?

      • Bash says:

        “ a fart in a mitt” 🙂 LOL
        or maybe
        “a streak of shit through a tin whistle”

        “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • RockinRey says:

      Good point. I would say platoon Bournival and Prust. Prust has to pick his spots. He can still contribute in other ways and I thought he was huge in game seven v Boston. He was not the only one to be undisciplined lately. They just did not penalize Markov and a few other in the Boston series.

      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  19. howiemorenz7 says:

    It’s worth remembering these are merely the New York Rangers, a team that was so flat for so long, a team that does not score much, a team with plenty of holes. We had a horrible game (although at 2-1, things were looking promising, until …) It’s a good wakeup call for les gars, now they know the speed at which they have to play, and they’re amply capable of turning the tables on ’em.

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

  20. HairyHabist says:

    Rangers aren’t that good. Habs aren’t that bad.

    Next game will be different.

  21. Frank2468 says:

    M.T can do all the readjusting, reboot or realigning all he wants if Price is hurt and can’t play or even plays hurt with a bad knee this run is over period. Getting his skate caught up on the post before the net came off made is knee bend the way a knee is not supposed to. Don’t get me wrong I like Budaj but he’s no Price and with lundqvist in net Budaj won’t be able to keep up. Lets just hope that all is OK with Price. Or if not let this series become the battle of the backups wink wink.

  22. Prop says:

    How about that Eller goal though, a desperation swat at the puck and boom, in the net.


  23. third generation haber says:

    L.A. opened this year’s playoffs with a 6-3 loss, and then followed it up with a 7-2 loss…..

    j.p. murray

    • RockinRey says:

      Good perspective. Rangers have it going right now but it is not as if they blew Pit or Philly out of the rink.

      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  24. 5wings says:

    IMO they need to reunite Vanek with DD and Max for more offense.. the rangers play a total collapse game in their own end..basically playing 5 goalies in front of Lundquist..
    If that was regular season and Price gets runs like that the player would get pummelled and he should..skates first way to dangerous a play..hope Carey is ok..interference penalty for sure..
    HABS were sleeping and hungover from the Boston win..they will be better, Rangers are a very good team we have to elevate our game..

    GO HABS GO!!

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      If you want more offense, drop Desharnais to the third or fourth line and promote Eller. Some adjustments on D are also needed. Markov-Subban, Beaulieu-Gorges, Emelin-Weaver would be a much better combination for this series. Kreider will continue to embarrass Emelin if Therrien doesn´t move him to the left where he belongs.

  25. RockinRey says:

    Anyone still want to invest 50 mil in Vanek? He may go on to catapult the Habs to the final but I am not in favour of having him back.

    ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
    —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      Starting to not be as enamoured with him as I was at the beginning. I’d take him back on a reasonable contract but wouldn’t break the bank for him. I think MB now knows better what we need going forward as a result of signing Vanek short term though…
      24 cups and counting….

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        “I think MB now knows better”

        The kernel. We speculate, he knows. If the catapult thing happens (hopefully does), I still say let him away to Minny unless he has fallen in love with Montreal and begs and takes a big cut. Way too much absence for a playoff player. We can do better. I mean, MB can do better.

  26. adamkennelly says:

    Habs were exposed by Rags speed. need to adjust – this is not the Bruins. IMO – bad coaching prep.

    that being said – Habs dominated much of the second – could easily have ended 2-2 but some sloppy stupid plays at the end killed us.

    I think Rags speed will be a problems for much of our D – like all of it except PK.

  27. RockinRey says:

    Bottom line is the Rangers were able to use speed do what they wanted in the low slot and get closer to Price and Budaj than the Habs did to Lundqvist. Patches has to lose the perimter game. He is a big guy, get to the slot like Gally and like Bork did to score.

    If the Habs allow the Rangers to slip the puck to another player between their legs and give them all kinds of time this is going to be a very short series.

    I want to see the Habs counter with speed and physicality on the other end. And the Power Play has look positively pop gun at time in these playoffs.

    ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
    —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • 24 Cups says:

      There’s no way for the Montreal D to get faster overnight. Only Subban and Beauleu have really good speed. At least they are in separate pairings with partners who have some experience and savvy. The big question mark is Emelin and Markov. Markov uses his experience to try and cover up but Emelin struggles plus he had to adapt to being on his wrong side. The only real answer here is for the forwards to get back and help out. Some can, some can’t and some won’t.

      24.6 Cups

      • boing007 says:

        Why is Emelin still playing on his wrong side?

        Richard R

        • Mark C says:

          Because when you have 4 lefties and 2 righties, someone has to play their off side.

          • 24 Cups says:

            The Habs will have the same problem at training camp. I see Weaver as a 7th Dman next year which means two of Gorges, Emelin or Tinordi will have to move to their wrong side. Beaulieu stays put to compliment Subban on the PP.

            This issue, along with the holes on RW, will be the main problems for MB to sort out this summer and fall.

            24.6 Cups

      • RockinRey says:

        That’s the gap problem between forwards and d.

        ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
        —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good post, but how do we get Pacioretty to go to the slot? Does MT even try to get him there? Or is it, as they say here, a non-runner? For whatever reason, despite having the required physical dimensions, Pacioretty does not seem to be a power forward. Is there any point in hoping he becomes one?

      Maybe kidnap his mother? No release til he plays the slot?

      • RockinRey says:

        There was one play that encapsulates compete level. Little DD , who had an aversion to any physical contact whatsoever earlier in the year, hit one of the Rangers defenseman and put everything he had in his frame into it. There have been numerous episodes in the playoffs where he was seen rubbing a guy out ( that is all you have to do to compete and battle for the puck or too tire out the opposition as we all know but the Habs do this all too infrequently).

        Vanek and Patches are perceived as scorers but the effort in the physicality department is severely lacking. Patches disputes the fact he is a perimeter player, which is just not true. There are so many times he just does not want to drive to the net.

        He probably is what he is. He has a knack for scoring just would never be as productive if he was not riding shot gun with DD.

        ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
        —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          NBC highlighted (highlit?) and analysed the play yesterday with Max going up the right on a two-on-one and shooting from the board-side of the playoff circle. In what universe is that the best option?

          I love him when he snipes and succeeds, but plays like that one yesterday precipitate loud and bad words in the hush of the Irish night-time.

  28. habs001 says:

    Plecks has to pick it up…his playoff career stats minus 20…as opposed to reg season plus 32….

  29. boing007 says:

    I bet that if a Habs player had made the same play on Lundqvist later in the game, with the same result, that Hab would have received at minimum a goalie interference penalty. Or worse.

    Richard R

  30. RockinRey says:

    I just watched the goals again that opened the flood gates. The Kreider goal was weak and the follow up goal that put it out of reach by Richards was equally weak.

    The fact is with the CH they get exposed in their zone and get running around. Too much of a gap between forwards and d and they give the zone up so easily. The coverage was attrocious on many of the Rangers goals.

    I would like to see them come out hitting to take the game to the Rangers and tidy things up in the d Zone. I am wondering how the Vets will respond to this latest shellacking.

    ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
    —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

  31. L Elle says:

    Just one day before the game, Vigneault was saying he hadn’t found Montreal’s weak spot yet. Gamesmanship baloney. AV wants to win as much as Claude Julien or any other shmo coach, in any way possible.

    Going skate first into a goalie, at almost 40mph, when no one has pushed/tripped you, wreaks of evil. Even the chest-thumping, threatening to kill people jerk, turns out is just dumb, but not evil.

    Yesterday’s lousy display means nothing. They can, and will reset as long as Price is not injured.

    I finally have a full hate on for the Rangers. With the Bruins it’s been easy.

    I don’t agree with trying to run the old King, but skating circles around them, and beating them on the scoreboard, sounds about right.

    • montreal ace says:

      I completely agree about Krieder, what he did was risky and dirty

    • BJ says:

      I’m not into injuring other players on purpose but NYR have unburied the hatchet. Payback time is in order. No prisoners as the Rangers demonstrated, hopefully we have been awakened from our mini Stanley Cup win over the Bruins.

      • L Elle says:

        Yes BJ, I agree. Hit Kreider, MSL, Nash, and whoever hard, and keep hitting them. McDo has an injured shoulder. But, keep those hits in the realm of “hockey plays”. Stay away from the old King, but score lots of goals on him.

        Let’s do this the “right” way. The NHL manly way. That’s what the culture dictates, right?

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      You are exactly right. That move by Kreider was mostly intentional. Anyone who has played even a little sports in their lives knows that some types will do anything to win. At this level, sorry to hurt some people’s feelings, but no question this was at least premeditated. In fact just a few plays before Kreider swoops through Price’s crease just missing his left knee and almost takes him out. Come on. Time for the Habs to storm the gates!!!

      24 cups and counting….

  32. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Some posters are arguing that the Kreider hit on Price was unintentional. Well, of course, he didn’t go down intentionally but I think it’s quite obvious that he did what many players do when given the opportunity. Use a spill as an excuse to continue plowing into the goaltender. Similar plays often result in penalties and other teams would have immediately jumped him and continually reminded him of his sin. We need to get a hate on for these blue shirts and this is as good a reason as any. If Price misses any time and since we “don’t play that way”, I hope a lot of Montreal players unintentionally fall on King Hank every chance they get. Go Habs!

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  33. montreal ace says:

    The Habs played a very disciplined series against the Bruins, usually the first chance a person has to lose self-control, it is usually does go out the window. I can see that after beating Boston, and the feelings that went with it, that in someways the Rangers were still Boston. I think they would have played a bad game no matter who they faced. I also think that MT pulling Price, was for exactly the reason he said, that the team had not protected Price, so he did.

  34. Ian Cobb says:

    A little more that two years ago, we finished last in a 30 team league! We are having fun now and we are inching up to top spot!

  35. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

    10 do check
    20 do skate
    30 do shoot
    40 Goto 10

  36. Stanley Cup or Bust ! says:

    We have a villain.
    All hands on deck.
    Go get em.
    Live today for tomorrow they will crush them.

    GO Habs GO !!!

  37. CJ says:

    Good morning folks.

    The dawn of a new day, and with it the collective exhaling of an entire fan base. No, the bottom is not yet out of the tub. Yesterday served as a reminder that we are among four great teams, each of whom has had to win two playoff series thus far. Nothing can be taken for granted.

    Respectfully, I’d suggest that yesterday’s outcome, the Price injury aside, is better than if we would have lost 2-1 in triple overtime. The 7-2 shellacking only counts for one win. Nothing more. Further, now is not the time to overreact with major lineup changes or the manner in which we play the game.

    Yes, I’d make a few tweaks, notably reuniting DD with Vanek and Max, and reinserting Chucky with Pleks and Gally. I don’t consider these major adjustments. Pleks is struggling to find any kind of rhythm with Vanek, so give him the kids and let’s see what happens.

    I’d leave the defence alone for now, although I’d be spending time in the video room with a focus on gap control. Honestly, with only two days off between series and not much time to adjust to a very different team, the results are not surprising. I’m excepting a much better game on Monday night. It has all the markings of a 7 game series. My only concern are the miles that were added to the defence, specifically Markov and Emelin’s odometer against the Bruins…..

    Nothing comes easy. This is the harsh reminder in a parity driven league – when an opportunity presents itself, you need to grab hold and seize the moment. As noted yesterday, I was on cloud nine following the Boston win. But, I now want more. Much more. If the Rangers did not have my full attention before game one, they sure do now.

    Lastly, I’m not sure if it’s been noted, but this is not terribly different then the way we started game one in Tampa, or game one in Boston. In both instances we found a way to win, but, IMO, we were the second best team on the ice in both games. Again, IMO, we got better as the series rolled on. This gives me confidence believing that we can course correct.

    Adjust. Refocus and execute. Go Habs! Cheers, CJ

    • JF says:

      I agree that yesterday’s outcome is better than a double-overtime loss. It’s so humiliating that the team is likely to respond well, whereas playing two extra periods and getting nothing out of it would be both exhausting and discouraging.

      The team did not show up until the second period. During that period, we looked good and were taking it to the Rangers. We got back into the game before a couple of mental errors basically ended it. It’s not even worth looking at what happened in the third period or basing any thinking about next game on it. It was pure garbage.

      I also agree that there’s no need to make major adjustments, except that our former top line should definitely be reunited. They had great chemistry in the regular season; let’s see if they can get it going against the Rangers. And if Galchenyuk is really ready, he should play, but with carefully managed minutes at first.

      I think Therrien was right when he said late in the Boston series that the team has gotten better every game. Leaving aside yesterday’s game, which was simply an aberration, our forecheck has gotten stronger and more aggressive from game to game. We just have to continue like that.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Good post, JF (although still reeling from seeing you among those calling for the taking out of Lundqvist!).

        I also agree with Therrien’s point that the Habs have improved with every playoff game. Alas, however, imo it’s only a sound-byte truism, because every playoff team gets better as they go.

        (Obviously I don’t need to tell YOU this). The playoffs are not only a whole new season, they represent a different version of the game of hockey. Round 1 is too early for it to evolve, and we beat Tampa because both teams played according to their regular season form, and ours was better. In Round 2, we attained playoff hockey and prevented Boston from doing so.

        It’s to do with being battle-hardened as well as well as fatigued and injured, and to do with levels of determination and desire, as well as skill, execution and coaching. And luck.

        Yesterday, the NYR played playoff hockey and we didn’t. Pretty sure we will tomorrow.


        • JF says:

          I was just so angry at what Kreider did and at the fact he got no penalty. If Price really is injured, I’ll still be tempted to feel we should try to take Lundqvist out (although in the end it would do us no good; even if, without Price, we were to beat the Rangers without Lundqvist, neither team would be any match for whichever Western team remained). But my better self (I think I have one!) knows the only thing to do is to beat them on the scoreboard. And, badly as we played and little as we tested Lundqvist, I find it slightly encouraging that we managed to get two pucks past him.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Ha! I knew it! (about your better self).

            Agree about those two pucks, especially the second. The first was ugly.

            I am no way in panic mode today, and share the confidence you expressed below about Habs coming back after a bad performance.

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      This is so true. Once the sting was gone from yesterday’s shellacking your thought are pretty much what I was thinking too. I tried to focus on the fact LA went down 6-3 and 7-2 in the first two games of round 1 this year before dispatching the Sharks. Montreal just needed to be recalibrated and that was the game to do it. I am still angry about “Kreider the Slider” though. I feel his move was intentional and premeditated. There have been other instances where he has performed his Kamikaze routine to stunning effect. Heck, even in yesterday’s game he swooped through Price’s crease just missing his left leg a few shifts before the actual crash. Kreider may have gotten clean away with giving his team an unfair advantage by injuring our best player on that “play”.

      24 cups and counting….

  38. FlyAngler says:

    Was at the game yesterday and listened to TSN 690 after the game and could not believe that some of their “analysts” opined that Bourque should be the guy to come out of the lineup in order to make room for Chucky- because Bourque took 3 penalties yesterday.

    Granted, two hooking penalties in a row showed a lack of discipline, but the guy is tied with Vanek and Eller for the lead in goals for the Habs in this year’s playoffs and scored a goal yesterday. As for the elbowing penalty, I really do not have a big problem with Rene Bourque taking an elbowing penalty in a game that has already been decided and like it when he is physically engaged.

    The suggestion that Bourque should be the guy to sit is one of the stupidest things that I have ever heard from a supposed knowledgable hockey analyst. Maybe the analysts need analysts as it were.

    “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

    • 24 Cups says:

      Right now Prust seems to be the logical candidate. The second option would be Bournival. The Pelks line needs to generate some offense which means they need Galchenyuk.

      24.6 Cups

    • CJ says:

      Vanek, and yes I get the PP goals he scored, does so little away from the puck. Either he’s scoring, or he’s adding little more than the value of playing the role of decoy.

      I mention this because I simply cringe when Vanek is used as a baseline comparison. No offence FlyAngler, just Vanek gives me fits….

    • rhino514 says:

      First-off, it is very debateable if Galchenyuk coming back from an injury (and he wasn´t much of a scoring factor throughtout the second half of the season anyway), is in any way an improvement over Bourque, Bournival, or Prust. The Kid also is somewhat of a liability defensively.
      If he plays like Chucky at his best, it is a moderate improvement, but coming back from an injury he could be a complete non-factor.
      Prust dug the puck out in game 7 on the play that put Mtl up against Boston. IMO you only take Prust out of the lineup if he reinjured himself.
      So it comes down to Bourque or Bournival. Bournival skates like the wind and everyone is going on about how great he is playing, but he doesn´t put up any points. Bourque has one point in his last 7 games and is a streaky guy; when he´s not scoring, he doeasn´t help his linemates much out there. Still, I´d probably lean towards taking Bournival out and keep the veterans in.
      It´s a tough decision who to take out; but expecting Chucky to be a difference maker right now is asking alot. In any case I think the habs stay with the same lineup for game 2.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Point well taken. Galchenyuk hasn’t really been anything special this year. Inserting him into the line-up would be based on his “potential” to generate offense and thereby spark his line. No guarantees though.

        24.6 Cups

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Was waiting for someone authoritative to make that point about Galchenyuk. We all would like a saviour, but it doesn’t mean he’s automatically it. Your points about his late-season play are entirely valid — hard to see him getting up to playoff speed in a hurry after such a long lay-off.

        I’m not saying don’t play him. Just saying he’s not likely to make a PK/2010-type impact.

        As for sitting Bourque being so stupid (FlyAngler): isn’t it possible that one game out for him could set his hair on fire for game 3. Hasn’t that worked with him in the past?

        • FlyAngler says:

          He scored a goal in game 1 Mike. It’s not like he didn’t contribute and you could argue that by scoring that goal which put the Habs back in the game at the time, he did a lot more than some of his teammates despite his taking two untimely penalties- neither of which resulted in a pp goal by the way.

          IMO the only two forwards that should be a part of the discussion are Prust and Bournival.

          “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Fly, I take your point about the goal — it started a shift in the game that might have/could have altered the final outcome.

            Still, right beside his goal on the stat sheet are four consecutive minutes of dum penalties. That combined with his post-Tampa stats make me believe he is at least a candidate for sitting (with a view not to replacing him but to focusing him and putting him back in), and that whoever suggested that can hardly be guilty of the stupidest post ever! (I know very little, so I’m ok with my own posts being considered stupid!).

            And I’m not asserting that Bourque sits, only that he’s a candidate. Maybe Prust, as you say? Although you could argue that he only really made one massive (and costly) blunder. His versus-old-team mentality is probably out of his system now, although the assaults on Kreider — as MRonn speculated — may have had more to do with what Prust saw of Price’s knee in the locker-room during the intermission.

            Bournival… Love the speed, especially on the forecheck — playing the game in the NY end has to be a priority (did you see my post about McGuire’s INCISIVE questioning of Vigneault? He managed to uncover that AV prefers playing in the Montreal end!). However, there is a suggestion of headless chicken with Bournival at the moment….

            Tomorrow will tell.


          • FlyAngler says:

            Your points are all fair and well taken Mike. I personally would not make him a candidate, but I am not the coach and many here are eminently more knowledgeable than me. Hopefully Les Boys rebound tomorrow night and you can raise a pint to the victory or a double Jamesons!

            “Gardez la Foi! Keep the Faith!”

  39. Cal says:

    Habs will be ready tomorrow night.
    Book it, Danno!

  40. Mr_MacDougall says:

    So, Thursday night had a softball “practice” … Friday went golfing… Yesterday played 3 softball games…

    Feel like I was in a violent car crash..

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  41. Mr_MacDougall says:

    So, the Habs we’re taking control of the game, inching close to tying the game at 2…

    Then a little splash by the Rags and end up ending the 2nd 4-1…

    Could have easily ended the 2nd 2-1 or 2-2…

    This game just got away.. Fast…

    Hope Price is healthy, suck for him to go out on a fluke play where a guy loses and edge.

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      AV said the Rags are more used to afternoon games and it likely helped them…

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • Habitforming says:

      Loses an edge?

      So when leaning forward and skating you often jump a bit and stick both feet out in front of you?

      BS- Kreider did it last round to Fleury, has also done it to three other goalie THIS season, hurting two of them.

      This is only new to people who don’t know much about the rangers players. The second he feels and light contact, he bails hard into the goalie. At 6’3″ and 225lbs Kreider either has the worst body strength in the world, or the worst luck

  42. JF says:

    Habs usually respond well to a terrible game. We played one bad game against the Bruins and followed it up with our best game of the series. I see no reason to think we can’t do the same against the Rangers, provided Price is OK.

    And it’s somewhat encouraging that, as badly as we were playing and as little as we tested Lundqvist, we managed to put two pucks past him.

  43. Habfan10912 says:

    Hockey was NOT meant to be played on a beautiful Spring afternoon. No more afternoon games please.

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I DVR’d the game because I was in a softball tourney.. My lady did the proper thing by spoiling it for me.. Saved me the anger.. So I just looked at the box score and skipped,parts of the game, watched the penalties, PP’s, goals and the Price collision.. I watched a lot of the 2nd.. Damn food perionpd by the up Habs IMO

      ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  44. RetroMonkey II says:

    One down and three to go. This time, my Media Guide is telling the truth.
    Either that or it’s full of you know what.

    Rangers will win with Lundqvist in nets.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      You may wish to consider changing suppliers for your Media Guide.

      RetroMonkey says:
      May 1, 2014.
      Soon, you will all see what my media guide has said all along.
      Your Habs are already golfing.
      But first my Bruins get to hurt them.

      Bruins will win with Rask in nets.
      George Costanza once said:
      ” Every instinct I have in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat… It’s often wrong.”

      Jerry Seinfeld replied:
      ” If every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right.”

  45. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I blame this loss on a couple of things. A letdown after defeating the league’s number one team and the stupid 1 PM Eastern start. Either that or the Rangers are twice as good as Boston and that I don’t believe. We’ll be better.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  46. WindsorHab-10 says:

    What Milan Lucic really said during the handshake.


  47. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Un Canadien errant

    – The Weaver hit was both late and dangerous as he caught Brassard from the blind side.
    The penalty was warranted.
    The penalty may not have been called if Brassard saw it coming.

    These are the type of penalties the veteran refs will call in a playoff game to keep control of the game.
    If they let that go, that tells the players that those kind of hits are acceptable…and then all hell breaks loose. (Van-Bos 2011)

    – The Prust actions were irrelevant as the score was already 5-1.
    If there is a concern, it may have been what Prust saw during the intermission in the dressing room concerning Price and a possible injury that lead to his taking out of frustration on Kreider.

    – You state, ” No Canadien seems to trip or push him off balance.”

    Perhaps you may wish to review the replay.

    Not only did Emelin use a roundhouse with his stick towards Kreider’s lower legs, yet Weise also contributed with a quick stick hook under the arm on the side where Kreider’s weight was focused.

    While the NHL should look into better protecting its key players (goaltenders) such as the NFL does with its QBs, that play could not have been intentional.

    The game is incredibly fast and how could Kreider ever know that he could escape without a serious injury on that play.
    The Kreider blame game by certain posters may be a frustration outlet on what was a rather pathetic, yet almost expected lack of effort, concentration, and game focus.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      I don’t agree. Kreider hit Price skates first and that could and should have been avoided.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        It’s your right not to agree, yet is there 1 Habs player, 1 coach, or 1 management person complaining that collision was intentional?
        If so, please provide the link.

        Watching on television gives no justice to the speed of the game.
        If a fan has never been on the ice or at least watched a game from no more than 5 rows from ice level, there is almost no way to comprehend the lightning speed, quickness, and how things transpire in a nano-second.

        • Thomas Le Fan says:

          Your opinion. My opinion. You want to be that even handed? Bless you. I’m going to begin hating the guys in blue. Habs would do well to use this incident to do the same.

          Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Trying to begin to hate?

            There’s so much love around Quebec for the Rangers.

            Marty St.Louis
            The classy Alain Vigneault.
            Benoit Pouliot
            The Ryan that got away when Sather ‘Gomezed’ the Habs.
            Blue eyes, band/guitar player Lundqvist. (and he can play)


            ….and wait until Raphael sees some action.

          • ont fan says:

            May not have been premeditated but certain players have patented moves if the situation comes up. Whether it is to protect themselves or to possibly take someone out. Have played too many sports with too many types of guys not to be so naive as to think differently.

          • JF says:

            I agree that the Habs should try to get some “hate” going for the Rangers, and this would be a good place to start.

      • Habs4LifeInTO says:

        I agree with you Thomas. That Kreider play was more deliberate than most think it was…

        24 cups and counting….

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          ” Therrien and several Canadiens players were convinced Kreider’s hit on Price was accidental.”


          • Habitforming says:

            Start showing Habs players youtube videos of ow many time he has done this just in this season alone and maybe they see it differently. Fleury had it happen last round. Don’t be so naive. Guys get good at making a foot first jump into players look accidental.

          • Habs4LifeInTO says:

            I always took you for someone who played a lot of sports! Of course Therrien would say that publicly. He doesn’t want to nor can he afford to lose his mind over this. But behind closed doors, they know that was done intentionally. He doesn’t want to be tried by the media and all the soft fans out there….

            24 cups and counting….

      • scamorza says:

        Kreider took out Anderson of the sens this year similar play maybe not intentional but as you suggested didn’t try to avoid either – anyway part of the game I suppose. Hope I am wrong but I think Price is done he really wasn’t moving with the same authority – looking at the replay over and over and having torn MCL twice in nets I am concerned that he did some damage to his MCL . As his skate gets stuck on the post the force of the hit causes his knee to buckle- hopefully just a mild strain . But here is the thing the team has to play better all around , happy we lost the way we did as a wake up call, and as challenging it would be we can still win even with Budaj in nets, if need be there I said it

        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Good post, Scam, and I too hope you’re wrong about the MCL, but it’s a bit alarming if you’ve had first-hand experience — you know what you’re talking about.

          I also agree with the latter part of your post, about needing to play better all round, and that winning with Budaj is by no means impossible.

          See JF’s post above about the Habs coming back strong after a crap-storm.


          • scamorza says:

            Hope I am wrong who knows huh but grabbing the knee after he was hit …sure he played the rest if the period as the adrenaline kicked in…as I said hope it is just a strain, price has been a beast so far. Remember how tentative he played against Ottawa last year and supposedly he had a knee injury then. The way he pushes off laterally healthy knees will be key. no need speculating we will see last night but again as challenging w/o him potentially we can still win but it won’t be easy

            come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  48. rhino514 says:

    Just a couple of things to say regarding last game:

    The habs started dominating early in the second period and had sustained pressure during a few intervals. They never had this type of sustained pressure against the Bs, except for maybe in game 6, in a few spurts. So what do we gather from this?

    1) Excluding the early start factor, we can probably outplay the Rangers 5 on 5 which we couldn´t do against the Bs.

    2) That doesn´t mean we will win the series; just as we were opportunistic against the Bs and their bottom pairing Dmen were prone to defensive lapses, the Rangers are being opportunistic against our D, which is not as strong as people suspect and is sheltered by our uber-disciplined forechecking game.

    However, if we simply keep forechecking and stay disciplined in this respect, we will beat the Rags unless the majority of the hockey breaks go against us. But we are not dominant enough that we can overcome too many bad breaks.
    Our D has holes which are disguised; but remember, the Rangers (forget last night) are the one playoff team in the conference which has trouble scoring goals. This means, we don´t have to average over 2,5-3 goals a game to win the series; a shade over 2 could win it; and though their offence surprised me, it was their defence I was scared of going into the game. And we proved we can sustain pressure and get some quality scoring chances against what is considered to bethe top defence in the conference; they looked human.

    • JF says:

      Good post. The only period on which we can base any conclusions about the match up with the Rangers is the second, and in that period we looked good until the last minute and a half. We were skating better and we were able to create pressure with an aggressive forecheck, which is what we’ll need to continue doing against the Rangers’ strong defence. The regular season games between the two teams were played like this, and all were close, low-scoring affairs. I think if we can ramp up the intensity and aggression, the way we did against the Bruins in Games six and seven, we should be OK, especially considering how concentrated the Rangers’ schedule has been right from the start of the playoffs. Fatigue will have to kick in at some point.

      But obviously, everything depends on Price. If he’s injured, we’re finished.

      • rhino514 says:


        Of course if Price is injured we are done. It LOOKS as though he isn´t seriously injured.
        And yes, you figure if/when it gets to game 6 or 7, some fatigur should kick in for the Rags.
        I think Boone pointed out that no team which has played two consecutive 7 game series to start has ever won the Cup (or gone to the Final, not sure), so there is a real fatigue factor at play.
        They probably have to win tomorrow´s game, though.

  49. Un Canadien errant says:

    One train of thought before the initial game of this new series started was that the Rangers were an easier opponent than the Bruins, so they should be an easy out. Mostly because we don’t really know them, except for their stars like Rick Nash, Brad Richards and Martin St. Louis, who we were foggily aware were in scoring slumps at the end of the season and during the playoffs. Aside from that, we knew Henrik Lundqvist, knew that Benoit Pouliot had caught on with them, but that’s about it.

    Well Montréal fans, meet your 2014 New York Rangers, 7-2 victors over the home team on a Saturday matinée game at the New Forum. While it was a blowout, there are explanations if not excuses for the sluggish effort, lackluster concentration and discipline, and ultimately poor performance by vos Glorieux.

    While the team and its fans entered the game with carryover confidence from the previous series win against hated rivals and arch-villains Boston Bruins, we whispered amongst ourselves that there was a real risk that the Canadiens would be susceptible to a flat start, an emotional letdown.

    Further, the game being scheduled for a 1300 hr start for NBC’s sake augured poorly. RDS had a graphic that showed that the Habs lost the three ‘early’ games they played this season, two during the Super Bowl weekend, and one in the previous series against the Bruins on a Saturday at the New Garden. Benoit Brunet concurred, telling the audience that he used to “not have any legs” during matinée games during his playing career, that it disrupted his routine.

    With this in mind, we were looking for clues as to how the team would respond. After the national anthem, I cheered audibly when Brandon Prust was ready and eager to shake chanteuse Ginette Reno’s hand, but winced when Daniel Brière didn’t reach over for talismanic contact himself. To add to my discomfort, Peter Budaj wasn’t focused either, so when Ms. Reno walked by him where he was standing, she offered her hand high, ready for a five, just as he went low for a conventional handshake, so he ended up grabbing some forearm while she tapped him on the chest. Now, we don’t want to be superstitious, but these are details that are important, goldarnit.

    Early on, Mike Weaver laid a technically legal hit on Derrick Brassard, since even if the Ranger centre didn’t have the puck, he had been the last to touch it and was deemed to be ‘in possession’, as described in a section of Rule 56 which governs contact and Interference:

    Possession of the Puck: The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.


    So it fell in that acceptable no-man’s land of ‘finishing your check’ in the NHL. Mr. Brassard had just dished the puck and committed the cardinal sin of ‘admiring his pass’, I could hear Don Cherry fulminate from three time zones away. So he was fair game, got crunched by the Canadiens’ super-rental, and missed the rest of the game.

    Generally, if the NHL wants to make the game safer, reduce injuries, a really easy, low-hanging fruit is to end this concept of finishing your check, which is basically a licence for interference. Mr. Brassard had passed the puck, there was no play to be made on the puck. This was just an opportunity to beat on an opponent. The rule as it is administered favours a less skillful player, one who might be bigger or tougher, but not as agile on his skates, to catch up to a better player and still be a factor. It favours ‘heart and soul’ ‘grinders’, ‘energy fourth-liners’, over a skilled play-maker like Mr. Brassard.

    Note that I don’t fault Mike Weaver for his hit, it was clean and more than tolerable, all shoulder, and didn’t contact the head. But the standards need to evolve in the same way that the NFL has changed its rules to forbid contact by a defensive back on a wide receiver five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, known as the ‘bump zone’, and to protect its quarterbacks by forbidding defensive players from contact with the quarterback after he releases the ball. These changes opened up the game, made it more exciting, favoured the offence and scoring and spectacular plays, and protect the stars of the game, the QB’s. It allows these guys to be healthy and drive attendance and ratings.

    Critics of these rules howled that it would denature the sport, ‘kill the game’, and they could not have been more wrong. NFL football’s popularity has reached stratospheric heights and keeps soaring. The big problem which was envisioned, that defensive linemen wouldn’t be able to stop once they were close enough to hit the quarterback, has proved to be a non-issue. After a period of time, the players and the referees adjusted, and roughing the quarterback calls are no more debatable now than they were before, it’s just that the standards have been tightened, and less of it is allowed. The line has been moved, and no one really thinks this is actually a problem. If the tackler gets there as the ball is released, it’s a legal hit. If he takes an extra step, it’s a penalty. Simple. And defensive players have learned to, when they can see or feel that they may be a half-second late, to ease off on the hit, to hug rather than cream the QB, which buys them some tolerance from the officials. Everyone has moved on from that controversy, with happier fans even more ravenous for their game, and participants with fuller pockets.

    Aside from that unfortunate event, one Ranger stood out, and that is left winger Chris Kreider, who is physically imposing, but ever so fast on his skates. He blew by Alexei Emelin on numerous occasions like the latter was standing still. It brought back memories of my playing days, when opposing forwards would realize I wasn’t that agile a skater, and even less so going backwards, and couldn’t really pivot to my right, I could only go left. They’d lick their chops at the thought of taking me on on a line rush, and so will he the rest of the series unless Alexei and the Canadiens make some adjustments.

    Mr. Kreider drew the ire of Canadiens fans and players when on one of his awe-inspiring rushes, he crashed into Carey Price hard, skate blades first, and seemingly unaided by an opponent. No Canadien seems to trip or push him off balance. Carey went down, grabbed at his leg, causing every Hab fan’s heart to skip a beat. After a while, he shook it off, and stayed in the game, but didn’t return for the third period. Coach Michel Therrien said it wasn’t for injury reasons, but just to ‘protect’ him with the game possibly out of reach, the scoreboard showing 4-1 for the Rangers at the time.

    So speaking of player safety, this is another area that should be addressed. Because of the declining goal production in the league, with goalies becoming ever-more adept at stopping the puck, and coaches at installing defensive systems that thwart scoring opportunities, the league has fretted about producing more goals. One strategically suicidal way that coaches have come up with, and the league in its boneheaded way has essentially assented to, is that you have to ‘create traffic’ around an opponent’s net, you have to disrupt a goalie, get him off his game, get under his skin. You have to ‘crash the crease’, a practice that is actually relatively new, and didn’t exist before the invention of MaggNets. In fact, you used to be careful when coming into the vicinity of the goal crease when goalie cages were solidly anchored in the ice, lest you shatter your leg as happened to Serge Savard early in his career.

    Obviously, the pendulum has swung too far, and players now intentionally plow into goalies in their headlong rushes, sometimes with the help of a defender trying to keep them from scoring. Just as often though, an attacking player will use contact by a defender as justification or cover to make hard contact with the tender. They would have stopped, they imply, if not for losing their balance due to that very contact. It weren’t me, it wuz him.

    The time has come to change this practice, by simply putting the onus on the attacking player for avoiding any contact with the goalie. Make it a strict liability, like ‘puck over glass’ situations. It is the responsibility of the opposing players to stop in time, to avoid the goalie, no matter what the defender does. Concurrently, keep defending players from the little slashes, the medium hooks, the pushes in the back of the player with the puck. Give attacking players every chance to make a play, to shoot the puck, as long as they don’t pile into the goalie. There. Problem solved. Goalies are safer, but they allow more goals, since Sidney Crosby isn’t crosschecked or hacked every second he spends on the ice. Win-win.

    Another player who drew some attention on the Blueshirts was a kid named Ryan McDonagh, who’s a big strong defenceman who can rush the puck, and plays on their first pairing. He used to be in the Canadiens’ system, but was part of the package used to acquire Scott Gomez from the Rangers.


    He picked up one goal and three assists, and wowed a few fans with a rush off a faceoff that ended with a shot on Carey Price from in close. Now, the thing is, if he was still a Canadien, and in bleu-blanc-rouge, his four points, the four goals he created for the Rangers, they wouldn’t have happened, they would have gone our way instead. So subtract four from NY, add four for the good guys, instead of a 7-2 loss, the score would have been 3-6, we would have won this blasted game.

    So we can begin to see that the Scott Gomez, Tom Pyatt and Micheal Busto trade for Chris Higgins, Ryan McDonagh and Pavel Valentenko may have been ultimately ill-advised, and the pigeons are now coming home to roost. Imagine having Ryan McDonagh on P.K.’s left side, our first pairing would be tops in the league, with only the Chicago pairing of Duncan Keith and Keith Seabrook to compare.

    On the Canadiens side, there were few standouts, except for maybe the wrong reasons. René Bourque took three penalties, of the lazy-ish kind, hooks and holds. René has to play better, Alex Galchenyuk is waiting in the wings, getting ever closer to drawing in the lineup. René had a great first round against Tampa Bay, but was much milder, almost timid against the Bruins. If he doesn’t focus, if he reverts back to regular season, when he wasn’t hungry for the puck and determined with it, he’ll get bumped down or even out of the lineup. We’ll be watching him closely, I’m not sure if the big goal he scored in the second period did enough to outweigh the rest of his work.

    We have to discuss Brandon Prust, who took a double minor and a major misconduct for hacking and slashing at Chris Kreider, in obvious retribution for his slide into Carey Price. While the intent is laudable, and Brandon was trying to stick up for a teammate and send a message for the Rangers’ future reference, he didn’t go about it the right way, and it cost our team. It’s possible the game was already out of reach. Some interpreted Peter Budaj starting the third period as a surrender, but we have seen the Canadiens react positively to Carey being pulled, and storm back to win the game. The 5-on-3 opportunity given to the Rangers sealed the deal.

    Brandon is a veteran and we expect leadership from him. He’s not a Dan Carcillo or a Jordin Tootoo, a player who is a loose cannon who can just as much hurt as help his team. We’ve seen Ryan White be disciplined by his coaches for taking penalties like this. Brandon had to find a better way to equal things out, to send his message, not blatant stickwork while in the process of killing a penalty, in a new series that isn’t expected to be a goon show as that against the Bruins was.

    Brandon was supposed to bring a little extra against his old team, but he may well be the man who sits out, to subtract his journeyman skating and stone hands and replace them with Alex Galchenyuk’s.

    Overall it was an ugly game for us, but we can see it as a reality check, a wakeup call. The glow we felt for eliminating the thugs from Boston has to recede, and we need to focus on the task at hand. And it’s not catastrophic, after a bad first period, the Canadiens seemed to be finding their stride, and were taking it to the Rangers in the second period. The fans were even singing “Olé Olé” while we were a goal down, to the probable consternation of Bob Cole back at home, in all likelihood muttering to himself “Why are they singing? They haven’t won yet. No, baby.” The two quick goals at the end of the second cut out legs out though, and the failed penalty-kill early in the third was the finisher between the eyes.

    So now we get to regroup, and go back to the team’s creed: ‘Pas d’excuses.’ The rest of the games are evening games, the Rangers are at least as fatigued as we are with their two seven-game series behind them. We need to get to work. The coaching staff will probably make their adjustments and massage their lineup as they’ve done so far in the playoffs. The players will focus on the guys in front of them, not the apes in the rearview mirrow. They’re not going to be complacent or over-confident, they know they’re in a hole and have to climb their way out.

    And the over-confidence goes for the fans. I saw too many take these Rangers lightly. We have to be respectful. I, for one, am still predicting the Canadiens will win in four, but I’ll diplomatically concede that it’ll be accomplished with a greater degree of difficulty score now.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …always well-written and interesting Norm

      …I suggested earlier if a player runs Your goaltender that it should be reciprocated

      …because, whether intentional or accidental, losing Your number one goalie likely means You lose

      …accidental or strategic, there must be a price to pay of expected reciprocation in the head of any forward if they can not control their momentum into a goaltender

      …I really prefer there was an alternative, like a rule penalising abuse of a goaltender, whether strategic or accidental, that is automatic

      …a goalie should be treated very much like a quarterback, whom usually is the star people pay to see and your most valuable player

      …but until the NHL establishes such ‘a charging the goalie’ provision/penalty, I think there is only one way most effective …barrel into their goaltender as soon as possible

      …then players understand they must play by a code and do whatever necessary to avoid a violent collision with the opposition goaltenders

      …for instance Kreider’s collision into Carey …at Kreider’s speed and flight path towards Carey there was no way in the World there would not be a collision even if He remained upright

      …it’s a player’s responsibility to slow down or veer away …avoid a direct collision …unless pushed …a penalty should be mandatory …and a no-goal called if the puck enters the net

      • groovydude says:

        Kreider did it on purpose, he knocked Anderson out in a similar fashion. The Habs are toast if CP31 is out for the playoffs.
        Their goal then should be to first do the same to “The King” (God I am sick of hearing that).
        That way if they meet next year, the message will be given to punkass to play clean or else…

        A bit of a controversial point of view, but hey that stuff cannot be allowed to happen. If the Rangers/ref’s allow it, then it is up to The Habs for justice. Lets use that wonderful word “The Code”…

      • groovydude says:

        It was intentional, he did the same thing to Anderson before. Now, it is incumbent on the Habs to do the same. I don’t mean oops, sorry to bump “The King”. I mean go out and make it known you are trying to knock him into the rafters beside the banners…and out of the playoffs too. Prust should have done that instead of running around after Kreider like Parros/BLG. One full out run at “King Henrik” with attempt to injure.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I believe it’s relatively recent, but the NHL has introduced the concept of vulnerability to some of its newer rulings regarding player safety (although to me the changes appear to be more window-dressing than genuine concern).

      Who is more vulnerable than a goalie? Braced to absorb pucks, not 6’3 230lb traveling at, what, 35 kpm?

      Whether a charge like Kreider’s was deliberate, reckless or accidental should make no difference: it should be anathema. Rule changes designed to protect goalies based on acknowledging their vulnerability cannot come quickly enough (and possibly too late for Carey Price).

      (With apologies to my friends here who believe that the necessary response is to take out Lundqvist in similar fashion, I’m afraid I cannot agree. Please let’s find another way to win, even if it has to be without Price).

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      You’ve written a fracking book dude. Get our own blog! 😉

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  50. Prop says:

    Now they know not to take the Rangers lightly.


  51. ths says:

    I concur with the strategic adjustments proposed here with the following details :

    Get Prust to take LundQ out of series and replace suspended Prust with Chucky.

    Get Emelin to take out Kreider and replace suspended Emelin with Tinordi

    Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

    • Clay says:

      No point winning if that’s the only way you can win. I propose they play harder.

      ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I would much rather see the team lose than win by intentionally injuring another player. Anyway, I don’t think there is a chance in H*ll that Prust would agree to do that, he seems like a decent human being.

  52. Antho says:

    Baffled by this game, hung over from the high on Wednesday; moreover that was probably one of the most emotional series in this cup final.
    We need some more right-handed shooting D – Emelin can’t play the right side he always has to make that leg cross to get back and he has been caught out of position way too often.
    I’d like to see Subban and Beaulieu together and get the offense to work the point shot back in the attack because the rangers were giving us the line on the PP.
    Eller + Bourque no PP time only line consistently producing and he puts Briere on and Plekanec to has an almost patented shot that goes wide and brings on an odd man rush.

    Can’t leave a post without starting a storm – Gorges stinks, he makes terrible plays with the puck in his own zone and he is absolutely lost in the offensive zone at the point – bring up Pateryn.

  53. JF says:

    If Price is OK, I think we’ll be OK. But we need to find as many reasons as possible to hate the Rangers. Kreider’s feet-first dive into Price is a good place to start. If Priced is injured, we have to take Lundqvist out. Tit for tat.

  54. Bozo McBozo says:

    If Price can’t play Monday night, I suit up Prust with just one mission to accomplish: Send Lundquist to the hospital. I’d ask Parros to do it, but there is a 60/40 chance he’d just concuss himself.

    • The Gumper says:

      I can’t believe some folks are talking about gooning Lundquist. First of all, we are better than that. Secondarily, the collision with Price was accidental and thirdly, Price is likely not significantly injured. Stop thinking like Bruins….

      • Clay says:

        Well said Steve – especially the Bruins analogy. Honestly, talk like that disgusts me. The Montreal Canadiens play with honour.

        ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Hence your name, Bozo, talking like a clown.

  55. Danno says:

    I’m sure it’s been asked many times already but is there an update on Price – or when will we know his condition?


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    • Timo says:

      Well… I am sure it’s a day off tomorrow, so we won’t know tomorrow. Probably by game time, but where there is smoke there is fire. Price is injured. He will most likely tell coaches he can play, let in 3 soft ones, get yanked, by which time it’ll be to late. 2-0 going back to NYC with Budaj as your #1. Done in 5.

      • The Gumper says:

        Although I haven’t posted a great deal over the several months that I have visited this website, I have read and enjoyed most of the constructive opinions and, while not always agreeing with every opinion, I respect them. The vast majority of posters have a real interest in promoting relevant discussion.
        I’m sorry Timo but you are an a*shole. I suppose that it’s one thing to always play the devil’s advocate and, sometimes that’s necessary but your posts go way beyond that requirement. If you wake up every morning saying that the sky is falling then, sooner or later, you’re going to be right. You are, by far, the most frequent poster after a loss and generally nowhere to be found after a win. Your posts are predictable, boring and annoying and I have no idea why anybody on this site gives you the time of day.
        Get over yourself pal, you are absolutely uninteresting.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Hey Gump.
          I agree with you about not gooning Lundqvist (above).
          Re. Timo, may I offer that it’s possible to see him differently? There’s a kind of cheesey incestuousness to defending him, which he is well able to do for himself but chooses not to, so I won’t either. But I’m pretty sure he loves it as much as you and I do when the Habs win, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him diss another poster. That said, you are of course entitled to your opinion and you are not alone!

        • Thomas Le Fan says:

          Grow a sense of humour. Timo has one, as odd as it is, and yours is missing putting you in danger of being what you’ve called him.

          Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  56. DipsyDoodler says:

    Say what you will about the Bruins and God knows I’ve said most of it at least they did not try to deliberately injure Carey Price.

    Moving. Forward.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Campbell slash @ the end of the period?

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      Could someone be that deliberate? I really believe Kreider’s move was intentional. He drove at Price skates first. I think he fooled the refs and got away with it. God I hope I am wrong but I don’t think I am…..I have never seen anything that blatant before against a goalie but then Dunboyne Mike showed us that it was eerily similar to his move on Craig Anderson. He is a Serial slider!! That would be very nefarious!!

      24 cups and counting….

      • Timo says:

        Yes, it was. Again, how is that news? Opposing teams have been trying to deliberately injure Habs for 2 decades. Can this team get a couple of elements that can go and do the same to the other teams “on demand”. Enough with that “classy” bullshit. This is the NHL. Nothing is classy about it.

  57. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …hard to blame Our Team when even Their Fans were feeling this New York series as anti-climatic to the Bruins series

    …hockey is about passion of one type or another …We haven’t identified it yet like the Rangers have

    …but, that better change quick

    • Timo says:

      It’s hard. It’s only the conference finals… hard to get any kind of passion going for that.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Again you and I agree completely.

      As I posted before, I did not sense any compete nervousness in the players, focussed specifically on the Rangers. And wow the HIO (including myself) community only casually acknowledged the Rangers while continuing to spout silly abuse att the Bruins and taking in the view from the ECF perch. The focus is beginning to change a bit but the posts still give the impression of not knowing what to make of the Rangers as a foe.

      I hope the team itself has made the correction.

  58. 24AW says:

    I look at it this way. They have to win Monday and split one in New York if they want to stay around in this series. Should they win Monday, could be another 7-Gamer.

  59. habkin says:

    Exactly Lafrich! I remember the series very well. Allow me to share a story. We beat the Bruins and my Dad took my Uncle and I fishing by plane. We were stuck there for the night because of the low clouds and listened to the 4-1 lose by radio in an old trappers cabin. Even the roof caught on fire because the chimney was too hot. We caught many large specks and in the end I remember Don Maloney crying on CBC when we won 4 games to 1. Habs will respond appropriately.

  60. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …HIO’s poll consensus (45 %, including Me) is that Brandon Prust is odd-man out, to allow Galchenyuk in

    …I’m glad I’m not the one telling Prust, as I know He is all heart and soul

    …I, too, have a gut feeling We may be seeing Tinordi sooner than expected sometime in this series …if so, it certainly would not be easy looking Weaver in the eye either

  61. Bozo McBozo says:

    Instead of Prust’s rather ineffectual stuff on Krieder in the third, he should have dropped his gloves, sly-rapped him and hopefully concussed him as his head hit the ice. Or, he could have just come flying in from the red line and nailed Lundquist. Given the number of points he’s likely to rack up over the remainder of the playoffs, we could afford to lose him to suspension.

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …an HIO consensus (45 %, including Me) is that Brandon Prust is odd-man out, to allow Galchenyuk in

    …I’m glad I’m not the one telling Prust, as I know He is all heart and soul

    …I, too, have a gut feeling We may be seeing Tinordi sooner than expected sometime in this series …if so, it certainly would not be easy looking Weaver in the eye either

  63. SmartDog says:

    Frustrating. But nothing to say until the next game.
    We’ve seen this team – Therrien, Price, everyone – rebound with fire. So have some faith – let’s wait and see.

    One thing though – I think the Habs need to throw a few big hits early. The Rags had all the ice the wanted. Habs need to put a bit of fear there. They can do it, Emelin, Subban, even Markov was throwing bit hits last series.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Timo says:

      Don’t even need big hits. Need sounds positioning and Habs players were caught out of position all game long.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      SmartDog, totally agree re big hits, clean ones preferably.

      Speedsters like Kreider might use the after-burners a little more sparingly after even one or two crushes against the boards by Emelin (if he can time them right) or PK.

      Execution, however, needs to be practically perfect for physical play to inhibit speed, as Boston has found out against us over and over again.

  64. Bim says:

    What in the world was that? Rangers are w a y better! How can you play a game like that in front of your home fans in the conference final? It just shows that they are not quite an elite team yet. Whoever said the rebuild was ahead of schedule had better rethink that one. I thought I was watching the same team they’ve had for the past 20 years. Mediocre, lazy and not willing to pay the price. If they don’t bring it on Monday they’re gone in 4 and golfing. After working so hard this is very disheartening.

  65. kalevine says:

    glad I made plans to spend a nice day outside and DVR’d it. I knew it was 2-0 after one due to spoiler, so I watched the second and Habs actually looked pretty good. Those late goals were killer. I fast forwarded from there, and the display during fast forwarding reminded me a lot of a couple of games in the Ottawa series. ugh
    Think about it – as much as you know the Rangers are fast, it must be hard to adjust to that after playing the B’s for seven games!
    Better things Monday!

  66. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Anyone else not amused with fireworks? Off topic I know but still…

  67. habs11s says:

    This may be what the doctor ordered. Not that last series was great and winning it strongly in game 7 was exciting, the team also hasn’t won anything. They still need to refocus and play 60 minutes of strong hockey to win. Hopefully this game will help them get that fire back they had in the second round.


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  68. UKRAINIANhab says:

    It’s pretty lame how Plekanec for a looooooong time is still a scapegoat. We lost because of pleks blah blah blah!! Little girl blah blah blah!! Yaadadad. Truth be told…everyone on the Habs played like dog%#%* today. Stop blaming one player whether it is price or even MT! Geez. Even Price sucked today.. Everyone frickin sucked. Enough scapegoats!!!!

    • CJ says:

      We all have our favorites. Don’t take it personally. Pleks has been struggling. He’s a great player and I’m confident he will improve. He’s just going through a tough spell. Personally, I think the lines need to be adjusted;

      I’d move Vanek back with Max and DD and have Gally with Pleks and Chucky. Bounival is much more effective on the third or fourth line. Just my two cents….

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        Yeah it really is not anything to do with him. Its just sometimes i find we tend to blame a loss all on one player. Whether it be the coach or Gorges etc etc. agree though. Lets move Vanek back with the top line.

        • CJ says:

          I felt that exact way the night we lost to Columbus. Tinordi had the giveaway that led to the winning goal. It was a terrible mistake, but IMO, the fans were opportunistic placing the entire blame on one player. Yes, he made the mistake that cost one goal, but if folks were being objective they would admit that we played a terrible game that night, and if not for Price would have been blown out.

          • UKRAINIANhab says:

            I have been guilty of it as well.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            There are numerous big mistakes by each team during a game, the ones that are spoken about are the mistakes that end up in the back of the net. There’s blown coverage on every shift, often times a great defensive play or save erases it.

            The Habs will get back to opportunistic hockey, pressure the Rangers into mistakes and score. They’ve bounced back all season, I expect the same in Game 2.. Go Habs.

            Also, I missed the game today, was at a co-ed slopitch tourney, had the game DVR’d…. But I knew the Habs lost by my ladies body language.

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  69. Timo says:

    This feels like the Ottawa series. Oh well… at least Habs won their cup by beating the Bruins. Give them the banner and hand them the clubs.

    • Lafrich says:

      Ha. Not at all premature!
      Listen, I get the pessimism after a game like that, but come on… If the mighty Habs of 1979 could lose 4-1 to the Rangers in game 1 of the Cup Finals (after beating the Bruins in that emotional game 7), then certainly this way less talented version is entitled to a stinker. If game 2 is similar in effort and result, by all means spew away, but after one game? Yeesh dude.
      Edit: Just checked, and aside from being down 1 game to 0 at home, the Habs were down 2-0 in game 2 before storing back. Again, not comparing, just citing that the early goings of a series does not mean much…usually…

  70. Habitant in Surrey says:

    TSN: ‘Questions Surround Habs’ Price After Loss To Rangers’


  71. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …WHAT ??? We need real quick is one motherfugly villian to get excited about

    … 🙂

  72. fastfreddy says:

    Time to bring in Tinnordi, let him play. Gorges is not tough enough nor is he offensive enough to help win games. Just my 2 cents. If Galchenyuk is ready, man play him,we need some offence.
    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

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