Habs have had some first-round draft busts over the years

Marc Bergevin made what looks like a great selection with his first draft pick as general manager of the Canadiens, selecting Alex Galchenyuk No. 3 overall last year (photo above). Galchenyuk made the club as an 18-year old, playing in all 48 games and posting 9-18-27 totals along with a plus-14.

Bergevin’s job will be tougher this year, since the Canadiens – unless they make a deal – won’t have a pick until No. 25 overall.

The Canadiens have had some first-round busts in the draft over the years. Here’s a look at five of them:

TERRY RYAN
8th overall, 1995, from Tri-City Americans
8 NHL games, 0 goals, 0 assists
Higher picks: Bryan Berard, 1st, Wade Redden, 2nd.
Lower picks: Radek Dvorak, 10th, Jarome Iginla, 11th.
Ryan scored 98 goals in three years with the Tri-City Americans, including 50 in 1994-95, but is a living example of how big the jump from junior hockey to the NHL can be. When a No. 8 overall pick plays only eight games in the NHL and doesn’t register a single point, that’s a big bust. Imagine if the Habs had selected Iginla instead.

JASON WARD
11th overall, 1997, from Erie Otters
336 NHL games, 36 goals, 45 assists
Higher picks: Joe Thornton, 1st, Roberto Luongo, 4th
Lower picks: Marian Hossa, 12th, Brenden Morrow, 25th
The rugged forward was a first-round OHL pick and a two-time member of Canada’s national junior team, but he was never able to carry that style of game into the NHL. He had some success in the AHL, but his best NHL season was in 2005-06 with the Rangers when he posted 10-18-28 totals.

ERIC CHOUINARD
16th overall, 1998, from Quebec Remparts
90 NHL games, 11 goals, 11 assists
Higher picks: Vincent Lecavalier, 1st, Alex Tanguay, 12th.
Lower picks: Simon Gagne, 22nd, Scott Gomez, 27th.
The Habs were hoping Chouinard would be a chip off the block of his father, Guy, a 50-goal scorer with the Atlanta Flames in the NHL. Eric scored 50 goals in his final season of junior hockey but never scored more than 4 goals in an NHL season.

BRAD BROWN
18th overall, 1994, from North Bay Centennials
330 NHL games, 2 goals, 27 assists
Higher picks: Ed Jovanovski, 1st, Ryan Smith, 6th
Lower picks: Jason Botterill, 20th, Dan Cloutier, 26th
Brown had 32 points and 196 penalty minutes and led the Centennials to the OHL championship the year the Habs drafted him. That combination of offence and toughness didn’t bring the same success at the NHL level, but he did have 747 career PIM in 330 NHL games.

DAVID WILKIE
20th overall, 1992, from Kamloops Blazers
167 NHL games, 10 goals, 26 assists
Higher picks: Roman Hamrlik, 1st, Alexei Yashin, 2nd
Lower picks: Grant Marshall, 23rd, Peter Ferraro, 24th.
The big defenceman was part of Team USA at the 1993 and 1994 world junior championships and had 40 points and 153 PIM the season before the Habs drafted him. His best NHL season came with the Habs in 1996-97 when he posted 6-9-15 totals.

Montreal has six picks in the first three rounds this year, more than any team, including three in the second round. The Canadiens will pick at No. 25, 34, 36, 55, 71 and 86.

The Canadiens have had success in the second round of the draft in the past. P.K. Subban, who won the Norris Trophy this season, was selected in the second round in 2007 (43rd overall). Danny Kristo, who was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Trophy as the top player in U.S. college hockey this past season, was selected by the Canadiens in the second round of the 2008 draft (56th overall). Kristo posted 26-26-52 totals in 40 games with North Dakota University this past season.

Other players the Canadiens have selected in the second round of the draft over the years include Guillaume Latendresse (45th overall in 2005), Maxim Lapierre (61st in 2003), Mike Ribeiro (45th in 1998) and Jose Theodore (44th in 1994).

(Photo by Keith Srakocic/The Associated Press)

Interactive graphic: Best and worst first-round draft picks by Canadian NHL teams

Canadiens draft history, hockeydb.com

Top 10 – Habs NHL draft steals, canadiens.com

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610 Comments

  1. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Not being as savvy with the league-wide ramifications, I was curious as to why Daniel Cleary’s name does not come up here. I know Det. wants to resign him, but I believe he is a UFA and is an upgrade on a Moen or Armstrong type player if you offer a 2 yr. contract … no? Am I missing something?

    • Chris says:

      I think the general consensus is that Cleary is unlikely to leave Detroit. He’s not a guy that is going to get big money from anybody, but he’s established a clear role for himself in Detroit and both parties seem intent on continuing that relationship.

      I can’t see Bergevin dipping into the UFA market for anybody over 30 unless that player fills a glaring need for Montreal. In Cleary’s case, he played top-6 minutes in Detroit and he almost certainly wouldn’t come to Montreal to be a third or fourth line player.

  2. frontenac1 says:

    I think Cody Bass might be done . Labrie looks good though. There are lots of Enforcers out there . In North America and Europe.

  3. frontenac1 says:

    Man,I just don’t remember people wanting Leclair out of town back then. But then again, many of my brain cells have been killed since then.

  4. jedimyrmidon says:

    Carolina could trade the #5 pick for a Top 4D according to some on TSN.

    Markov? Habs D would take a big hit though.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      that could mean a higher draft pick for the habs next year though! LOL

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        That’s what I was thinking… Not sure I want to see the team move backwards, which is probably what would happen (with Emelin also being out).

    • florida habs says:

      Cal would be crazy to do that, I would add Pleks and DD to sweeten the pot, even then….

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        No way. Pleks + Markov for the 5th overall is overpayment. The team would lose two of its key veteran defensive/special teams presences.

        • jols101 says:

          jedi, you don’t have to worry. Carolina would laugh at that proposal anyways. Only Hab fans with the thickest rose colored glasses would think an old Markov with a bum knee would get a 5th overall pick.

          Carolina would need Montreal to add a Lars Eller and the 25th pick to even consider this.

          • myron.selby says:

            Funny though – Philadelphia just gave Streit $21 million for 4 years. He’s 35, had 28 pts last year and never was as good at any aspect of the game as Markov. Markov is 34, and had 30 points last year. Let’s not forget he’d been off for 2 years, played 20 some games in the KHL and was great for the first dozen games this year.

            With a full summer to train he’ll come back much closer to the Markov of a couple of years back.

            Not saying that Carolina would go for it, but Montreal would be crazy to trade Eller straight up for the #5 pick. Eller has started to show what he can do. There is a good possibility that the #5 pick won’t ever make it regardless of the hype surrounding the draft.

            I find it hilarious how people on this site either undervalue or overvalue our players. For every one who thinks Plekanec is the best 2 way centre in the league there are 5 (or more) who think he isn’t worth a first round pick.

          • jols101 says:

            I love Eller. I wouldn’t trade him. I was just stating what Carolina would want for the 5th overall pick.

            You definitely won’t get the 5th overall pick with a 34 year old dman who has had 2 knee surgeries and is basically a PP specialist and a liability 5 on 5 cause he can’t skate anymore. Not going to happen ever.

          • piper says:

            Plek is the best two way player in the league now???

          • myron.selby says:

            @piper – re-read the post, and it might make more sense to you.

          • piper says:

            Sorry, I’ve just heard so much on here about how good Plek is but I’ve never heard him called that before.

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            Wasn’t implying that it would only be Markov for the 5th, just stated that Markov + Pleks was an overpayment.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Markov is nearing the end of his career. I presume Carolina is looking for someone younger and healthier. The only player we have that fits the bill is the Josh Gorges of a year ago (but not now).

      They’re probably looking more for a Del Zotto or a Hamhuis.

    • Timo says:

      Well… top 4 from whose/which perspective? Gorges is top 4. Diaz is top 4… on Habs. Does that count? Markov? Sure. The toppest of the 4.

    • Chris says:

      Carolina wants a top-4 defenceman for more than 1 year. Markov is too old, too risky due to his knees and too expensive to warrant such a high pick, despite hit obvious skills.

      I think Carolina is looking more at players like John Carlson/Mike Green, Kris Letang, Marc Staal/Ryan McDonagh/Dan Girardi, Kevin Shattenkirk, etc.

      My blockbuster proposal would be:

      Shea Weber for Carolina’s 5th overall pick + Jeff Skinner + Ryan Murphy

      I think both teams would at least have to think about it. Nashville gets rid of a huge salary, and ends up with two of the top 5 picks in a deep draft. They pick up a young scoring winger and a puck-moving defenceman that is considered a high risk-high reward prospect.

      Carolina gets one of the top defencemen in the NHL. It puts Carolina closer to the cap than they probably want to be, and there might be more going each way. But that is the type of blockbuster I could actually see happening.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        You might want to review the bonus part of Weber last July and this.-$26M. Nashville may want to wait as Weber moves into his prime the next at least 5-7 years.
        Anyway nothing can happen to Weber in the trade dept. before July 19th.

        • Chris says:

          Weber was REALLY unhappy in Nashville last year. He’s not interested in a rebuild.

          If Nashville is serious about rebuilding, they would have to at least think about it. Nashville had no choice but to match the poison-pill offer from the Flyers: losing Weber AND Suter for nothing would have set that franchise back a decade.

          Nashville’s owners are not deep-pocketed, and as you have pointed out they will already have eaten about 20% of Weber’s total payout by the time a trade could be consummated. That is a HUGE disincentive to make a deal.

          Even if it means eating that huge bonus, walking out of this summer’s draft with something like Seth Jones/Jonathan Drouin, Valeri Nichushkin, Jeff Skinner, and Ryan Murphy would really put them on a fast-track to return to Stanley Cup contention, especially when you factor in that they landed Filip Forsberg this past season.

          Nashville actually has a decent fan base, but they haven’t had much of an offensive team in their history. Throw that collection of young, skilled forwards together and suddenly you’ve got a very exciting product to help grow the sport.

          The July 19th thing isn’t a big impediment. Carolina drafts whichever guy they want with the #5 (probably Barkov or Nichushkin) and then deal that player along with the others mentioned later in the summer.

          I’m not sure I would absolutely do that trade, but I’d sure think about it. 🙂

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Good points, but just from a pure hockey perspective those are huge #1 Dman minutes to replace.
            I guess we’ll see.

  5. With all those free agents to sign, what do we think the odds are of Pittsburgh letting Pascal Dupuis walk? If they do, Bergevin will be all over him.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  6. HabFanSince72 says:

    How stoked are Canuck fans today?

  7. sergio30 says:

    Good job Stu on your article, cause obviously the other 29 teams have never had first round busts in the past 20 years, right?? i should start writing for the gazette, it’s easy, just recycle old articles about how many terrible first round players we’ve drafted or didn’t draft in the past 20 years, and then post it as if you researched it yourself.

  8. HabFab says:

    Habs have until July 1st to sign or give qualifying offers to these RFA’s.

    Mike Blunden
    Gabriel Dumont
    Blake Geoffrion
    Robert Mayer
    Ian Schultz
    Joe Stejskal
    Dustin Tokarski
    Ryan White
    Yannick Weber

    • jols101 says:

      White, Dumont and Tokarski, everyone else can be packaged in a trade for a bag of pucks.

    • Harditya says:

      Tokarski, White, Dumont and perhaps Mayer may be the only ones returning. Weber deserves a shot to play, so he must be traded.

    • Aside from Tokarski, Dumont and White, and maybe Blunden for the Bulldogs, I’d be surprised to see any of those guys re-signed. I’d love to see a couple of veteran scoring forwards and one big veteran stay-at-home defenceman for Hamilton though — some guys to keep the kids’ heads on straight, and to help them win enough games that they don’t get used to losing.

      Too bad about Weber — would have bee nice if we could have wrangled a 4th or 5th for him. And man, I still feel awful for Geoffrion.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  9. frontenac1 says:

    Marc better get Prust some heavyweight back up this year or he will be on the IR. He can’t do it all everynight.

    • Scotty90 says:

      I am sure they didn’t bring in Churla to find the next Gretzky or Lemieux! MT has surely made his wishes known to MB and the Habs wil not be beat up, and ridiculed and laughed at next season.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Ya I don’t like the chances of his shoulders being ready for the playoffs after fighting Lucic and Orr a handful of times during the regular season.

    • Fransaskois says:

      Posted this list yesterday and it may be the type of players you’re looking for:

      Guillaume Desbiens
      Jean-Francois Jacques
      Pierre-Cedric Labrie
      Cody Bass
      Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond
      Andre Deveaux

      Enforcers, local talents and 4th liners. All physical, all young (sub-29) and all are well-sized. Differing levels of potential and ability. All are more physicality-oriented than the players on our team. 4th line/13th FWDs**

  10. HabFab says:

    Top 10 Hab draft steals from Canadiens.com;
    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=90198

  11. HabFab says:

    Re Timmins as Chief Scout. He was the youngest in the League when he started and is still one of the youngest. The last figures that I saw indicated his record was second in the league in percentage of players he drafted actually playing games in the NHL. Not to say he is perfect but certainly his record shows him to be one of the better ones.

  12. HabFab says:

    @chris – glad to see some one else take up the struggle to explain LTIR Cap ramifications. I have taken a sabbatical 😉

  13. HabFab says:

    @twilight
    Re not feeling for the owners re amnesty buy-outs, more bad news.
    The buy out doesn’t count against the salary cap but does count against the players share of HRR. So the players themselves will pay for these thru escrow.

  14. HardHabits says:

    I just heard a rumour that Gionta will be traded to the Islanders.

  15. Maritime Ron says:

    Torts presser on now at tsn.ca. Wonder if Brooksie made the trip?

  16. frontenac1 says:

    @hobie. Leclaire was my son”s favorite player. He became a Flyers fan after the trade for Chrissakes! When Big John retired ,he became a Habs fan again ,thank God.

  17. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ myron.selby

    Great post below on John LeClair! That trade hurt the most out of all of them!

    “Montreal Canadiens traded Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne and John LeClair to the Philadelphia Flyers for Mark Recchi and 3rd round selection (Martin Hohenberger) in 1995.”

    It hurt then and looking at it now, just imagining 6’3″ 230lbs 50 goal scoring power forward, on the Habs current roster, and how hard that type of player is to acquire, it just makes you sick to your stomach.

    WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?????

    The parade of amazing players either being traded for garbage or being allowed to grow older and get nothing good in return was horrendous, from the mid 90’s until the early 2000s.

    • mksness says:

      Anyone who thought at the time of the lecaire trade he would be a 50 goal scorer is the same type person thinking that Leblanc will be a 50goal scorer now.

      Chris mentioned below, playing with lindros helped. just remember this when it comes to signing the all mighty Bickell… we don’t have a toews or kane for him to play with.

      • chanchilla says:

        where you might be right, i think it just has a lot to do with not playing on the third and fourth line, look at prusts output after moving up from the fourth, we basically tripled his production.

        **and this tapered off after he moved back down to the fourth as well. I think it couldve been a lot higher.

        • mksness says:

          prust was awesome. i’m still shocked at his performance last year. i wasn’t expecting the offensive output from him at all but he fit in rather nicely with our two rookies. i don’t think he could put up the same production if you separated him from his line mates though

      • myron.selby says:

        And yet somehow we knew, and somehow we were right.

        All you had to do was watch LeClair play to know what he was capable of. He had incredible soft hands and he ran over people like a mac truck. He didn’t just have incidental contact like MaxPac sometimes gets, he flat out loved to hit.

        He was completely mishandled by Demers. He was a prototypical power forward/winger. If Demers would have just left him alone with Muller and Bellows they would have made him look a lot smarter. But that always seems to be a temptation for many coaches for some reason. They get some idea and refuse to let go of it, regardless of how obviously it isn’t working.

        And no, I don’t think there is any conceivable way that LeBlanc will ever score 50. I think his smarts and work ethic will earn him an NHL spot (assuming his ankle is ok) somewhere but he’ll never be a first line player. If he was faster, he would probably do better.

        • mksness says:

          well for every player who scores 19 goals in back to back seasons, i don’t recall too many turning into 50 goal scorers. Lindros was the key to that line.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I can’t remember what I was thinking at the time, I was a teenager ;-).

        But after that playoff he had, basically lifting the Habs past the Kings for the Stanley Cup, to throw him in with Desjardin and Dionne, makes you sick to your stomach.

    • myron.selby says:

      The other unfortunate outcome of that trade was that Montreal fans always blamed Recchi for the results of the trade (fans not being noted for their rationality at the best of times).

      I loved Recchi when he played for the Habs. The guy never took a shift off and was dangerous every time he touched the puck. It was his bad luck that LeClair exploded in Philly. Then just to add insult to injury he had to haul Pierre Turgeon around for a couple of years. What a waste of talent he was. It got so bad that Recchi would work his tail off gaining possession in the opposition corner only to look up and see Turgeon floating around outside the Hab’s blueline.

      Recchi grew up in Prince George and a guy from there who was good friends with him told me a great story about Recchi. When he was in Philadelphia, he used chalk to mark off lines for road hockey for the neighbourhood kids on the street in front of his house. Some of the neighbours (in his undoubtedly up-scale area) didn’t like the mess and reported it to bylaw enforcement.

      They came and gave Recchi a ticket and told him to remove the chalk. His response was that he could afford the ticket and left the stuff so the kids could continue playing.

    • JUST ME says:

      Leclair was not a 50 goals scorer when with the Habs. He was a good player but did not show every night. Medias and fans wanted him out badly. Those are details we tend to forget as time goes by. We look at how a player did with his new team and blame MTL.
      Same thing with Ribeiro. Of course getting Niniima in a trade for him looks terrible but we wanted Ribeiro out of MTL traded for a bag of pucks if necessary and that`s what we got…

      • myron.selby says:

        Some fans may have wanted him out – I was seriously pissed when they traded him. I just wanted him moved back to the wing where he so obviously belonged.

  18. HardHabits says:

    Drafting is a crap shoot. That is why it pays to pick often. Having 4 picks in the first two rounds doesn’t guarantee anything other than the Habs will be adding more players to their prospect pool, which is infinitely better than pissing away 1st and 2nd round picks on rentals or washed up veterans.

    Speaking of which… I am still hoping Dallas and the Habs make a trade; Gorges and Price for their 1st round pick and Jack Campbell. Come on Bob, you owe us as much.

    • Harditya says:

      Really hoping Price can have a fantastic playoffs and a consistent performance next season. He’s turning 26, so he’s no longer a young player (compared to the Gally’s atleast), he’s one of the leaders of the team. Time for him (and others like MaxPac, Plekanec) to switch a gear come crunch time, something only PK is able to do on this team. That being said highly doubt, Stars would look to acquire Price when they have Lehtonen and Campbell, quite a formidable duo.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    Rumours out there that Rask is looking for 39million over 6 years.

  20. frontenac1 says:

    @wjc. Agreed. Its been a long time since Habs had any nasty crease clearers.

  21. Phil C says:

    Isn’t it funny how a goalie who plays on a team with a solid defensive system who gets traded to a team with a poor defensive system all of a sudden turns into a bum? Or when a goalie who is about to get run out of the league gets picked up by a team with a good defensive system and “suddenly” becomes a star?

    Pascal Leclaire was among the league leaders in SV% and GAA in 07-08, but turned into a sieve when he was traded to Ottawa, and lost his job to Brian Elliot. Elliot went on to post a 3.19 GAA and a less-than-stellar SV% of .894 which put him among the worst in the league in 10-11 and was promptly dumped in the Anderson trade. He resurfaces in St. Louis in 11-12 and remarkably posts the best GAA and SV% in the entire league of 1.56 and .940. This is the same guy, but just a year later, yet he was literally allowing less than half as many goals as he did the year before.

    Same story with Bobrovsky. Philly had a goalie capable of winning a Vezina, but had him playing as a back-up to Brian Boucher. They then trade him in favour of a free agent from Phoenix in Bryzgalov, who they now have to buy out for $23M, because he is a bum just like that Bobrovsky guy was.

    Pheonix replaces Bryzgalov with some guy named Mike Smith who cleared waivers the year before with Tampa. He then proceeds to post 38 wins with Pheonix, finish 5th in the Vezina voting and was probably the best goalie in last year’s playoffs, except for Quick. Not bad for a guy that any team could have had for free the year before.

    Since giving up on Smith, Tampa have given way two 2nd round picks, a 3rd round pick, a 4th round pick, and a good prospect in Cory Conacher trying to find a goalie. Seems like they are all bums too, just like Smith was.

    The moral of the story is if you are a goalie in the NHL, having Ken Hitchcock as your head coach is like winning the lottery. And if you end up in Philadelphia or Tampa, it might be time to think about a second career.

    • Cardiac says:

      What about the downs and ups of Ray Emery? Didn’t he play in Philly for a while.

      The guy went like 17-1-0 this season!

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • mksness says:

      Pascal leclaire had some some serious ankle and hip issues i believe which pretty much killed his career.

      Smith didn’t look so hot this year and really only put together one great year. keep in mind dallas gave up on him in the brad richards deal.

      About Bobrovsky, i thought this guy would be good. he has crazy reflexes and is super flexible. he stole the job in columbus from mason who had the same team infront of him. Bobrovsky’s issue was over playing pucks and 5hole. things that can be easily corrected with good coaching.

      great defence or team system will always help out a goalie.

      as for tampa it’ll be fun to see how the tallest goalie tandem does this year. watch for bishop to be exposed big time with 5hole shots.

      • Phil C says:

        LeClaire was bad in Ottawa before the injury trouble, then it all fell apart for him physically.

        Now that Guy Boucher is gone in Tampa, they are playing a more defensive system which should help the newest goalies.

        • mksness says:

          i’m not sold on bishop. apart from his size i don’t think he’s a very good goalie. not saying he’s horrible but i wouldn’t build my team around him. not sure how much better tampa will be this year. they looked dreadful last year….

    • The Juice says:

      Great read thank you!

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  22. jols101 says:

    FYI – Big Bobby Mac is revealing his final draft rankings on TSN tonight plus they will be doing a mock draft. Show starts at 7:30.

    My hopes – 25th- Morin, 34th – de la Rose, 36th – Josh Bailey.

    After that I have no idea but if we can get these 3 guys with our top 3 picks I would be very happy.

    • habs_54321 says:

      two names i want us to grab are william carrier and jordan subban, jordan is projected to be a 4th rounder for some reason but i would not risk waiting and grab him in the 3rd round, he has more potential than scouts think i believe and being in the same organization as his big bro could give him the inspiration he needs to become a pro.

    • Murray Wilson Hair says:

      I would also love Morin, but seems he will go much higher.I haven’t seen any clips of de la Rose, but to me Bailey could be one of the darkhorses of the draft.

      Taking away top 10 or so prospects, Bailey’s highlight video montage was the most impressive of all the ones I’ve see: speed, moves, and a tremendous quick accurate shot… and at almost 6’4″ when he fills out he could be a force in this league!

      • jols101 says:

        I agree about Bailey, he could be the steal of the draft.

        Morin is ranked all over the place. I just hope he is still on the board at 25. You could be right though.

        de la Rose, I only saw him at the WJC last year. I love this tournament and watch it closely every year. He was very impressive. I’m surprised he is rated in the 1st round.

  23. Sportfan says:

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  24. frontenac1 says:

    So ,they are doing all 7 rounds on Sunday? what time does it start?

  25. wjc says:

    Bad first rounders 1975 ….Robin Sadler
    1976….Peter Lee
    1976….Rod (ROD) schutt
    1976….Bruce Baker
    1978….Danny Geffrion
    1963….Rodney Presswood
    1963…Glenn Shirton
    1964…Guy Allen, Claude Chagon, Micheal Jacques
    1966…Bob Pate
    1967…Elgan McCann
    1968… Roger Belisle, Jim Pritchard

    All first round draft choices back when Montreal management was perfect.

    • Chris says:

      Have to take the pre-1969 choices out of there, or at least with a huge grain of salt. Before that year, the draft wasn’t really a true draft as most of the players that had demonstrated any sort of mettle already had their rights owned by NHL clubs and could not be drafted.

      The first truly open NHL entry draft was the 1969 version.

      • wjc says:

        Exactly Chris, all the good players were locked away and used as bargaining chips for more draft picks. 1969 and before there were slim pickings for expansion teams and established teams.

        Having the best locked up and ready to play for the next 10-12 years was a huge advantage. Toronto in their wisdom decided to sell off all there farm teams and lost a lot of players.

        wjc

    • myron.selby says:

      As you replied to someone a couple of days ago – how about doing this same exercise for the other 29 teams. You can replicate this exactly. The plain fact is that most players drafted don’t make the league, let alone become stars.

      For an interesting take on this, see if you can find a copy of a book written by career backup goalie Rick Heinz called “Many Are Called … Few Are Signed: The Hard Realities of Professional Hockey”. It’s a well written book about what really happens in the NHL.

      He presents quite a different take on things than the popular mythology. For instance he claims that veterans rarely help rookies, seeing them as dangerous competitors for their jobs rather than team-mates to be mentored as the story usually goes.

  26. Ozmodiar says:

    Here’s my top 20, recklessly thrown together.

    My hope for the 1st round is that one of these players slides down to the 25th pick, which I believe is only a possibility for those below the dotted line.

    MacKinnon
    Barkov
    Drouin
    Jones
    Lindholm
    Nichushkin
    Monahan
    Domi
    Horvat
    Nurse
    Ristolainen
    Wennberg
    Zadorov
    Lazar
    Burakovsky
    …………………
    Zykov
    Morin
    Gauthier
    Erne
    Pulock

  27. pmaraw says:

    I will say this about Timmins, he is improving. Tinordi, Beaulieu and who can forget last year. Throw that Kid in NY in the mix, I think that was the 1st rounder that turned the page for him. Oh Shit thanks Habfan17, I totally spaced on Max! so…. McDonagh was the 2nd page >.>

  28. frontenac1 says:

    I had a Black Mercury Monarch when I was a young lad. Paid about $175 for it. Got about 10 miles to the gallon. It got the job done. The gals loved it. Saludos!

  29. Habfan17 says:

    I am wth you Maritime Ron! To all those who have an issue with Timmins, here are the 1st round picks made since Timmins joined the Habs. As MR stated, Timmins may have been over ruled on some picks.

    Under Timmins watch, the Habs have drafted in the first round
    Galchenyuk, 48 NHL games played
    Beaulieu, 6 NHL games played
    Tinordi, 8 NHL games played
    Leblanc, 42 NHL games played
    No 1st round in 08,
    McDonough 07, 169 NHL games played
    Pacioretty 07, 246 NHL games played
    Fischer, 0 NHL games Played
    Price, 310 NHL games played
    Chipchura, 262 NHL games played
    Kostitsyn 398 NHL games played
    Higgins. 523 NHL games played
    This does not include playoffs. So out of 11 players selected, 10 have played in the NHL. How is that bad? So they may not turn out to be franchise players, but most have been drafted in the bottom half of the first round!

    Habfan17

  30. The Juice says:

    Flyers have officially announced they are buying out Bryz…and yet Homgren continues to be employed by the team…go figure!

    __________________________________________________________________________

    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  31. myron.selby says:

    @Chris said below:

    “And I truly believe that John Leclair never would have become a 40-50 goal scorer without Eric Lindros as his linemate.”

    Both my brother and I predicted that LeClair was going to be a 50 goal scorer based on his play when they brought him in from US college at the end of his first season. He had all the tools – big, fast, strong as a bull, loved to hit, sweet hands (he played a complete finesse game in college). His problem wasn’t that he had the wrong linemates, it was that Jacques Demers screwed things up.

    When they won the cup in 93, Leclair played left wing with Brian Bellows and Kirk Muller. The line was awesome. There was a period when they were suffering from injuries where LeClair basically carried the offence almost single-handed. The other top line was Damphousse’s line, which also played really well in 93.

    The next season Demers broke both lines up and flatly refused to put them back together no matter how badly the team struggled. He also decided that LeClair was the big center they were constantly trying to find (still are for that matter). Well he moved LeClair to center and he absolutely was not a center. So guess what? His production went into the toilet. Anybody else would have realized it was a failed experiment but Demers simply carried on.

    I still remember how disgusted Jim and I were when he was thrown into the Recchi trade. The trade was Desjardins for Recchi and the rest was sweetener. Clarke wanted LeClair because he had gone head to head with Lindros in a recent game and was a complete match for him physically. He wanted LeClair but he would have settled for DiPietro.

    At the time Demers said (and this is pretty close to an exact quote) “Johnny is big and strong, but maybe we expected too much from him”. To which my brother and I wanted to say maybe if you would have left him on Muller’s wing he would have scored 50 for the Habs.

    • kalevine says:

      thanks for the reminiscences. I knew they had given up on Leclair too fast, especially after his brilliant 1993 campaign but no longer remembered the details. As much as anythjing, that might have been why the 19923 team did not repeat. They looked headed for a first round win against Boston when it unravelled, and I remember Leclair taking some of the heat for it

    • Habfan17 says:

      I don’t know if you ever saw the interview LeClair gave after his first two or three seasons in Philly. He did blame Demers indirectly for his struggles in Montreal. He said that he would be on the first line for a few shifts, then the 3rd line, then benched, then the 2nd line. It killed his confidence

      He said that when he arrived in Philly they took him and his linemates aside and was told they had half the season to prove they should be a top line and that is what made the difference. Knowing that no matter what, his line would be intact and get their ice time as long as they played well…

      Habfan17

    • Chris says:

      John Leclair himself said that his problem in Montreal was confidence. The Habs were yanking him up and down the lineup. He didn’t know if he would be on the top line or the fourth line from game to game.

      Leclair showed flashes while in Montreal, but he was also maddeningly inconsistent. He would look like a surefire 50 goal scorer for 5 games and then spend 10 games looking lost.

      Playing with Lindros in Philadephia was a gift from the heavens for Leclair. He finally had a defined role: he was pretty much assured that he would be the winger on Lindros’ line, and in Lindros he had one of the best centres in hockey. But even the Flyers didn’t know what to expect from Leclair. Here’s a quote from Terry Murray, the coach that put the Legion of Doom line together:

      “I never expected John to score the way he did. That was a great bonus. When I put that line together, I thought Leclair would help win the battles down low and create some room for Lindros and Renberg.”

      Leclair had all the tools you mentioned. But his performance in Montreal had been on par with the enigmatic Gilbert Dionne. Here are their respective Montreal stats:

      John Leclair

      Regular season – 224 GP, 48 G, 118 PTS, 91 PIM, +33
      Playoffs – 38 GP, 7 G, 15 PTS, 22 PIM

      Gilbert Dionne

      Regular season – 196 GP, 60 G, 130 PTS, 106 PIM, -2
      Playoffs – 36 GP, 10 G, 22 PTS, 30 PIM

      In pretty much every way you look at it, Gilbert Dionne was out-performing Leclair. And nobody really expected Dionne to turn into a 50 goal scorer. Even Leclair’s “dominant” playoff run in 1993 when the Habs won the Stanley Cup wasn’t really statistically dominant: he posted 4 goals and 10 points in 20 games, which tied Benoit Brunet for the 7th best total on the team (behind 6th best Dionne, who had 6 goals and 12 points).

      Leclair was frustrated with the coaching staff, and they didn’t trust him. As you say, he was probably misused by Demers but Demers was the coach and I just don’t think he would have developed into that 50 goal scorer in Montreal.

      Not every player “busts” because of a lack of talent. I’ve always scorned people who claim that the secret to success is hard work and talent…that is tripe. Any assessment that leaves out luck as an equally important component is self-aggrandizement. You absolutely DO have to work hard and have natural talent to maximize opportunity when it knocks. But you’ve still got to have that opportunity!

      Leclair was unlucky to be drafted by Montreal, where he just didn’t seem to fit. He then caught a very lucky break and was dealt to Philadelphia, as playing with Lindros was the best imaginable fit for his skill set.

      You can look at other guys and see what happens when they aren’t lucky. Saku Koivu was tremendously unlucky to end up in Montreal from 1995-2005 for his prime. Throw in a destroyed knee and a bout with cancer and that luck looks even worse. Koivu was a borderline NHL star who never had the chance to realize his potential because of management ineptitude.

      Ron Francis was unlucky to be in Hartford for most of his career, but caught the good fortune of going to a talent-stacked Pittsburgh Penguins. Peter Stastny and Dale Howerchuk, fellow 1980’s stars, never enjoyed the good fortune of landing on that bona fide Stanley Cup contender.

      By the time Leclair was ready to score 50 goals physically, Muller was in major decline and was traded out of town. Leclair and Damphousse would have made a nice pairing on the top line, but I don’t see that combination letting Leclair get 50 goals.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I am with Mr. Selby on this one. LeClair was a bad trade.

        Teams do make bad trades. Teams do use plays incorrectly. And there are times when expectations of a player are muddied by stereotyping. I am afraid that Le’clair was epected to be a BIG STRONG…. The stereotypical big strong anglo on the Canadiens.
        He wasnt, in Mtl anyways, and one of the main reasons was that he was absolutely too early in his career to put skill and pugnacity together… he was still developing. It was absolutely too early in his career to be cast aside.

        Another player we did that too was Claude Lemieux. Because Burns listened to the rules of decorum 101 by Don Cherry he hated Lemieux and used every opportunity to knock him. From day one Lemieux showed the ability to somehow put the puck in the net when it counted… in the playoffs. I remember 1986 so well. And we got rid of him because his coach didnt like him.

        Some say luck is what you make it. Apparently you disagree.

    • wjc says:

      Dead on! Exactly the way I remembered it.

      wjc

    • habfan01 says:

      Was in the military and out of the area for LeClair’s career. Am from his hometown. Any truth to the stories people were saying down here that his drinking was an issue with MTL management, and that’s one reason he was traded?

  32. The Juice says:

    Trade all 6 picks for #1

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    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  33. Mattyleg says:

    Shouldn’t that poll be ‘Are you happy that the Bruins lost the Cup?’ because I can’t imagine that many people would care whether Chi-town won it or not.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  34. pmaraw says:

    i was a bit concerned that boston would select Jordan Subban in the 1st round…. but they dont have a pick!

  35. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Anyone know Tyler Hill? Big kid (6’6″ 225) who maybe available in the 3rd round for Habs? Everything I read about him makes me hope Habs draft him. He’s everything Habs lack right now, size, some skill, a real physical beast.

    Win is a win, but I hope we draft win.

  36. Ed says:

    can we stop posting “give Price some top d-men and watch what happens”. please?

    do you think the Leafs had top d-men this past playoffs?

    Of course not.

    Yet Reimer, for almost the entire playoff, was outstanding.

    Goalies can make tons of key saves regardless of the defenceman in front of them, and goalies can let in TERRIBLE goals that most 13 year olds would stop easily.

    Price did not shine during the playoffs, and there were a few goals that he probably wants back because 13 year olds would have made the saves.

    Price is keenly aware of all of this. He has stated for the record that he needs to be better next season.

    So why are you guys insisting on making excuses for him??

    Let’s just let the young man play and see what he can and can not do.

    The Habs will be drafting one of the best goalies available with one of their 2nd round picks – I’m quite certain of that. Because 4 or 5 years from now Price will either have won a Cup or he will be long gone.

    • pmaraw says:

      I told my co-workers yesterday that I’d trae Price for Reimer

    • Mattyleg says:

      Additionally, Price wasn’t the reason we didn’t make it past the first round this year.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • kalevine says:

      good post. It isn’t just teh defence, it’s the goalie caoch, it’s the swam, he’s just a victim of circumstance, or perhaps just a victim, according to his supporters. He’s a big boy, let him stand on his own. Sure both Boston and Chicago were great, but they left their tenders exposed more than a few times, and their tenders had very few bad games in spite of it

    • wjc says:

      Big defense helps. Perimeter shots help. Clearing the crease helps. It is not everything but you need that toughness or it becomes the wild west in front of the net.

      Try not to think to far ahead 4 or 5 years is a long time in sports. Excuses or reasons or opinion. You have an opinion, you think you are right, perhaps you are, maybe you are not. Panic moves are not the answer. Price has another year, as the summer wears on I notice Price has become worse and worse. Some advice, you analysis every goal that gets by Price. When the Canadiens are not playing you get to see that other goalies are not perfect.

      Clear the crease, let him see the puck and play tough (for this you need size and meanness.) You need an accommodation of hitters, puck carriers, good first pass….passers. A blend of all talents.

      wjc

    • habfan01 says:

      Every spring, Price says he has to be better next year. It’s like a broken record.

      • kalevine says:

        yes he says he has to be better and then he spends the summer roping steer or something like that, instead of watching how the best goalies play in goal. You’d think now that he is going on his 6th summer roping steer with no hockey results to show for it that maybe he would try to be a full time goalie and see if that helps

    • habstrinifan says:

      ” can we stop posting “give Price some top d-men and watch what happens”. ” Right on!

      And while we are at it can we shelve the “Let’s give Plekanec sme good wingers and see what some good wingers and see what happens”.

  37. Steeltown Hab says:

    PLEASE Draft Jacob De La Rose, preferably in the 2nd – but something about this guy in the WJC left a huge impression on me.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      I don’t consider myself a guru but I had a similar feeling about Parise going into his draft year when MTL passed on him.

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Ozmodiar says:

      I’d like to see that. If they draft him, we’ll have to come up with a nickname for him.

      Let’s see….

      …. how about: “The Flower”

    • bwoar says:

      I noticed him too, yet we haven’t heard much about him anywhere. Sure looked good at the WJC.

      “thoroughbred”

  38. Mattyleg says:

    ‘You Might Also Like’:

    “Mercury: The Killer Liquid Hiding In Fish!”

    Mercury is a metal, last time I checked.

    Glad that we’re getting these important and informative links.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • bwoar says:

      Hmm… yes mercury is a liquid, and yes mercury is a metal.

      “thoroughbred”

    • pmaraw says:

      and metals con have liquid forms 😀

      • Mattyleg says:

        So can marble, but you wouldn’t call that a ‘liquid,’ would you?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Mercury is liquid at room temperature and normal atmospheric pressure.

          Not only would I call it a liquid, so would every physicist.

          The chemical symbol for mercury is Hg with the H standing for “hydro” or water (i.e. liguid).

          Mercury is a liquid. Period.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Well, you’re wrong.
            Like with so many other things.
            I can look up things on Wikipedia too: “A heavy, silvery d-block element, mercury is the only metal that is liquid at standard conditions for temperature and pressure.”

            It’s a metal, HF.
            Class dismissed.

            (and I would take it that you don’t know too many physicists)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            The wikipedia article you quote says it’s a liquid and you conclude that it’s not a liquid?

            Metal and liquid aren’t mutually exclusive. I think that’s the root of the misunderstanding.

  39. Ozmodiar says:

    “The majority of mistakes made at the draft are based on overestimating the bigger players and underestimating the smaller guys”

    – Craig Button

    Say what you want about Button, he’s right about this one.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Button’s a complete buffoon and over-inflated noise-making children’s toy.
      That’s what I want to say about Button.

      … but he IS right about that one.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Whatever says:

      Sure. Unemployed failed hockey talent evaluator.

    • Chris says:

      Another common comment along the same lines:

      “Small players have to prove they can play in the NHL, while big players have to prove that they cannot play in the NHL.”

      Life isn’t fair. Of the first round busts, I’m willing to bet that more of them will come from the “power forward” and “physical defenceman” categories than from the “small but skilled” category. 🙂

  40. HabFanSince72 says:

    Sign Bryzgalov for $2M and trade Price to Philly for Couturier.

  41. jedimyrmidon says:

    Seems that many here don’t realize how easy it is for a drafted player to not even reach the NHL. Timmins & co., I think, have a very high conversion rate of draft picks-to-NHL players.

    Also, don’t give up Leblanc yet. His high ankle sprain ruined the season for him (and I’m not sure why Lefebvre was apparently using him as a 3rd liner on the Bulldogs).

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He might be on the 3rd line to work on a certain aspect of his game. kadri was on the 3rd line for the Marlies quite a bit and it seemed to work for him. In saying that, I don’t see LL as anything more than a possible 3rd liner in the NHL

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • bwoar says:

      Timmins has a great conversion rate, but I’m still waiting for the team to be competitive year in and year out… he’s had a ton of time to get the cupboard filled and we still have no firepower and mediocre goaltending. And iffy defense, PK Norris notwithstanding.

      “thoroughbred”

    • John Frodo says:

      Both Chucky and LeBlanc need work on their skating stride. That should be number one development for both.

  42. Chris says:

    The funny thing is that in many cases, those failed #1 picks were when Montreal tried to draft power forwards or physical forwards.

    Finding the guys that will develop into star NHL power forwards is probably the hardest thing of all to do for NHL scouts.

    Drafting top-5 is generally pretty easy. Identifying offensive wizards is generally not too bad, because their offensive dominance is usually established early.

    But picking the 17-18 year old kid that is going to continue to physically mature and who will have the strength, speed and hands to be a bona fide power forward in the NHL is bloody hard.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      And even when the correct power forward is drafted it takes years for them to develop. Cam Neely is a perfect example of this, how Vancouver gave up on him a year too soon and traded him for Barry Pederson. Montreal was similar in their trading of Leclair.

      • Chris says:

        But to take that even further, you could argue that Neely might never have become the dominant power forward he was in Boston while playing with Craig Janney and Ray Bourque had he stayed in Vancouver, where his setup men would have been Trevor Linden and Paul Reinhart.

        And I truly believe that John Leclair never would have become a 40-50 goal scorer without Eric Lindros as his linemate.

        You have to pick the right guy AND put that guy in the right environment.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Exactly!

        You had to bring up the name Pederson didnt you. Mark Pederson… one of our biggest 1st round busts.

    • B says:

      Bang on. A lot of it is really a crap shoot.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • Mattyleg says:

        And an exercise in patience that doesn’t work well in cities like Montreal.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • B says:

          True too, especially for high picks or kids from Quebec. The new cap era also helps encourage teams into bringing along lower paid kids at an accelerated pace (while jettisoning more expensive but serviceable veteran players).

          –Go Habs Go!–

    • Whatever says:

      Proper development doesn’t hurt. Or, any development for that matter. Although, you can’t teach size.

  43. twilighthours says:

    Bryzgalov bought out, and Philly gets to walk away from another huge mistake. They had just signed this guy. I see this as the same thing as cap circumvention.

    Hard to feel sympathy for the owners with this nonsense going on (yet some people do).

    • bwoar says:

      And the 2 huge mistakes we just walked away from? (Never mind the 3 more still on the payroll…)

      It’s not cap circumvention, it’s a collectively-bargained, PA-sanctioned ability to get out of two bad contracts, baked into the new CBA.

      “thoroughbred”

      • twilighthours says:

        I see it as different that a team signed a player so soon before an impending lockout – Parise and Suter are even worse – during which the owners are crying poor.

        To be clear: I’m happy that my team dumped two deadweights – my issue is with owners crying poor and then throwing money at problems.

        My issue is also with people who sympathize with these sneaks.

  44. Maritime Ron says:

    With the Bryzgalov buyout, that gives Philly about $10M in cap space when LTIR Pronger is counted.

    I wonder how Luongo will enjoy Philly?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Some of my Leaf buddies are panicking that Philly is going to try and offer sheet Bernier, does the Leafs having qualified him, prevent this from happening? I don’t think it does myself, July 5th he becomes RFA if still unsigned by Toronto is my understanding.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Now *that* would be interesting.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Granted Bernier would have to sign an offer sheet from Philly, given what has happened in Philly lately, one would think that city is the last place any goalie would ever choose to go to.

          Talk about a goalie graveyard.

          • B says:

            Put up with playing there for 2 years and collect about $36.8M? Not so bad really.

            –Go Habs Go!–

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            Very true…

            Toronto over the last decade or so has also seen a considerable amount of resources wasted trying to get a starting goaltender so I don’t know why anyone would want to play there either.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree it was great for Bryzgalov, but Philly is now out of Amnesty buyouts, meaning the next goalie is in for a longer dog and pony show.

          • B says:

            As Mel Brooks would say, they’re not just doing it for money, they’re doing it for a sh*t load of money!

            –Go Habs Go!–

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Chris I would love to hear your perspective on the Pronger LTIR scenario. I was delving into it yesterday, and I think it is a real grey area. Pronger in reality has retired, there is no way he is going to make a recovery or even intends to. However, the Flyers need to create the illusion that he is still indeed injured but hopefully will return, thus the reason he is not retiring.

        I don’t think the league will do anything about this, but one could create a good case for this being cap circumvention.

        • Chris says:

          It’s a tough one. There is no question it is cap circumvention. But there’s really nothing the league can do about it if the player doesn’t retire.

          The problem here is that the LTIR money is not explicitly cap space. To use it, the Flyers have to spend right to the salary cap every single day of the season. This is an unrealistic expectation for most NHL teams, so the amount of cap circumvention is not the full $4.9 M cap hit, but something less. There is still some circumvention, but not to the degree that most people assume.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Yup, agree and understand. I read way more information than I should have on the details of how the LTIR actually works.

          • Chris says:

            The curious thing on that front will be if the insurance company underwriting that contract is going to be happy watching the Flyers continue the charade that Pronger might come back. That’s the only way I can see this particular form of cap circumvention disappearing.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I made the same point yesterday, that is the only way I see this having a change. Insurance companies will have to drive the change.

            Cheers bud.

  45. adamkennelly says:

    can we all agree that no matter what Gainey and PG did – they are GM geniuses compared to Paul Holmgren…this freakin guy trades great players for crap and signs crap to long, expensive deals..how does he still have a job? really – I am pretty sure I would do better.

    • bwoar says:

      Holmgren’s teams were mostly better than Gainey’s and definitely better than Gauthier’s. So, we can’t ALL agree. Holmgren has always managed to get himself OUT of trouble, not so much for the Competition Committee that ran our team.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Strummer says:

      It was Snider the owner that wanted Bryzgalov- not Holmgren.

      I see nothing wrong with rolling the dice on these big contracts if you’ve got the financial resources to do so.
      It doesn’t make him less of a genius.
      He has the backing of an owner with deep pockets who wants to win. same as Sather in NYC

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  46. NS-Hab says:

    Didn’t see much talk about the. 2 Q players theHabs have signed to try outs. Macaulay from the Mooseheads and Ben Duffy from Rocket. I think Duffy finished top 3 in Q scoring. Macaulay is a 6’+ power forward.

    • B says:

      That’s a nice cheque coming the wacky goalie’s way (~ $23M) just to go away. It sounds kind of like winning the lottery.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • Strummer says:

        he’ll be paid over a 14 year term.

        ______________________________________________________
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

        • B says:

          Are you sure that it is not just the cap hit that is spread out over twice the remaining term?

          Edit: I re-read the article and it did say the payment would be spread out over 14 years (twice the term).

          –Go Habs Go!–

          • HabinBurlington says:

            No cap hit with amnesty buyout, the rules of amnesty are 60% of salary (i think) and paid out over double the life of contract.

          • Strummer says:

            It’s a compliance buyout so there is no cap hit.
            The dollar figure is 2/3 of the amount remaining spread over twice the number of years remaining
            ______________________________________________________
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        • Habfan17 says:

          I don’t think so, I have heard that part of he compliance buyout is that they pay them everything right away.

          Habfan17

          • Strummer says:

            Compliance buyouts are the same as ordinary buyouts other than there is no cap hit

            ______________________________________________________
            “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • B says:

            I was thinking the same thing, that the two thirds over twice the remaining term was only for the cap hit in old fashioned buyouts. I wasn’t sure between the old buyout and the new compliance rules. Thanks to those who cleared up the compliance buyout rules for me.

            –Go Habs Go!–

          • commandant says:

            Its 2/3rds the money over double the term.

            The cap hits are a much more complicated formula on regular buyouts, but 0 on this amnesty buyout.

            Go Habs Go!
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  47. commandant says:

    How do you forget David Fisher

    Go Habs Go!
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  48. Timooo says:

    Naw, no boats for these guys. After living the maritime life, would miss the snow too much. Of course, colorado will provide the white stuff. (Not that white stuff, the cold kind)

  49. PrimeTime says:

    One would think a site called “Hockey Inside/Out” would have a little analysis of the Stanley Cup finals and not the small failures of the Habs of which every team has in common. Perhaps some details of the upcoming draft and direction of the team?? Oops, i guess that would take a little “journalism”…..much easier to just go through the trash.

  50. Timooo says:

    Bergevin knows what he’s doing. I’m sure its a well thought out master plan that will see a couple of minor adjustments for a tougher team in the fall. This draft won’t help that, unless he makes a deal. Though I don’t think he’ll be too quick to pull the trigger. Question: is it 50 players we can have on “roster” at one time?

    • habstrinifan says:

      Think so.
      I know there is a 50 ‘extended roster’ limit.. dont know if there are other provisions.

    • ont fan says:

      MB, has how many hockey men working with him? I have a hunch they have a little better insight than everyone here. Although I’m sure a lot will disagree. That’s just what they do.

    • Chris says:

      There are four caps:

      The playing roster can have 20 players on it. These are the players that are dressed for a particular game.

      The active roster can have 23 players on it. These are the players in the NHL. including the paper airplane and hotdogs crew.

      The next one is the 50 player contract limit. No team can have more than 50 contracted players. This includes players at the NHL, AHL and ECHL level.

      Finally, there is the 90 player reserve limit. Each team may own the rights to a maximum of 90 players. This larger list includes the 50 contracted players plus non-contracted players in the European leagues, the Canadian junior leagues and the NCAA.

  51. Strummer says:

    That Kyle Chipchura- He was “Gold, Jerry, Gold”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF7OnW4XDck
    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  52. Maritime Ron says:

    Some Timmins bashing going on, yet it is impossible to evaluate what he did in Round 1 until we know the inside info and answers to just a few questions:

    1) Was his choice ever overruled by the GM at the draft table?
    2) What was the mandate given to him in a specific year?
    Best player available? By position?
    Speedy and skilled regardless of size because the 2005 post lockout hockey would change everything?

    Perhaps 1 day when Trevor retires and if he writes a book, the answers may come out. If he ever talks before that, he would never be hired in the NHL again.

    • hab fan in leaf jungle says:

      I absolutely detest Timmins; I see him as everything that is wrong with this organization. They exaggerate the talent they see and draft and refuse to admit fault. They will go so far with their arrogance as to sign Price to a long $6.5M per year contract along with other duds. You, however, are more level-headed. We fans don’t know if he had the funds and the personnel to do adequate scouting. He might have been overruled by Gainey and PG. In spite of the fact that present and former Montrealers think that playing for the Habs is a dream come true, most players refuse to play there for personal and financial reasons. Their agents and ‘entourage’ let it be known without doubt (like the Lindros clan did with the Nordiques). The public often doesn’t hear of these ‘behind the scenes’ storylines. I guess if Timmins writes a tell-all book and it turns out he really wanted Getzlaf over AK46 and Parise over Fischer etc. I’ll have to send him a letter of apology.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Most of the busts that are mentioned in the article were drafted when Timmens was not with Montreal. Then, the GM has the final say so we don;t know if the picks were the ones Timmins wanted.

      Still under Timmins watch, the Habs have drafted in the first round
      Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc, No 1st round in 08, McDonough, Pacioretty, Fischer, Price, Chipchura, Kostitsyn and Higgins.

      It is too early to tell with some of the latest picks, but overall, the picks have made the NHL or will make the NHL. To what degree they will be impact players has yet to be determined.

      Habfan17

    • Habfan17 says:

      I am wth you MR. Even if he was over ruled, here are the 1st round picks made since Timmins joined the Habs.

      Under Timmins watch, the Habs have drafted in the first round
      Galchenyuk, 48 NHL games played
      Beaulieu, 6 NHL games played
      Tinordi, 8 NHL games played
      Leblanc, 42 NHL games played
      No 1st round in 08,
      McDonough 07, 169 NHL games played
      Pacioretty 07, 246 NHL games played
      Fischer, 0 NHL games Played
      Price, 310 NHL games played
      Chipchura, 262 NHL games played
      Kostitsyn 398 NHL games played
      Higgins. 523 NHL games played
      This does not include playoffs. So out of 11 players selected, 10 have played in the NHL. How is that bad? So they may not turn out to be franchise players, but most have been drafted in the bottom half of the first round!

      Habfan17

  53. habstrinifan says:

    So let me see if I get this… no more hockey games till September… CRAP I say CRAP!

    Timo posted a pick of Mr and Mrs Bickell. I think that about settles the debate. get Bickell in Mtl and pay him whatever he wants. Mrs Bickell is worth every cent of it!

  54. Timooo says:

    Wonder how guys like Mckinnon and Drouin feel about going to their projected destinations. Colorado’s not a bad hockey place, but miami or tampa are less than stellar. Nice weather to look forward to I guess.

  55. JUST ME says:

    Today`s subject is weak. Every team has had failiures and succes in that department. There are so many reasons why it would not go as planned that i think the most important data in a draft regardless of the round in wich the player is drafted is who made it to the NHL and how many games he played. In that category Timmins is first of his class. (hockeydb.com) .

    Some important details also have to be taken into account when we judge a head scout. Per example take Louis Leblanc`s choice. Not saying he will not make it or has no potential but who really chose the guy ? The medias ? The fans shouting Louis ?

    So happy the Hawks beat the Bruins!

    Can`t understand why someone who wants to build a team would hire Torts. Something tells me hell is going to break loose in Vancouver. Maybe this is what they needed to move ahead…

  56. Strummer says:

    This just in- Philly buying out Bryz-

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  57. Timo says:

    McDonough was a great pick though 🙂

  58. Timo says:

    I have an impression lots more names are missing on that list from 1992 to today.

  59. Whatever says:

    David Fischer should be on that list. They didn’t even want him to play for Hamilton.

    Drafting is one thing, but developing is the key. An area that should get most of the blame in recent history. Well, if they had any development that is. Hopefully it looks like that has changed.

  60. ari says:

    it is surprising he was able to keep his job after ak46.this guy had no talent or luck to draft superstars. well minus pk

  61. Timooo says:

    As far the crap laid out on Price, at least we didn’t waste #1s like pens and isles did for Mcfleury and Rick Dickietro

    • The Dude says:

      Price may still work out but he has to co-share the #1 spot ‘which also seems to be a problem’. Two tenders at $6 mil per combined like a Halak and Emery tandem would of been the way to go….

    • Strummer says:

      Fleury won a Cup plus he had one other SC Final appearance- They got value there.

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  62. Sportfan says:

    Still blown away by the Torts signing O.O poor Nucks

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  63. Timooo says:

    The moral of the story is, we do better after the first round (pleks, subban, gally for recent examples) so let’s just trade our #25 and #36 for some tough forward to help protect Chucky and Gally from the goons that prey.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I totally agree with you this year. If HABS could get a front line top 6 big forward by trading their 1st rnd pick to another team and get a combination of that forward and 2nd or 3rd rnd picks.. I would do it.

      Essentially trade so you get a player who will give you, right NOW, the projected pability of a 15th to 25th first rnd pick and you also pick up at least 1 other pick not lower than early 3rd.

      I never realized that Eric Chouinard was such a bust. 4 goals. WOW!

  64. Newf_Habster says:

    When the Habs re-hired Michel Therrien as head coach, Terry Ryan trolled about the hire on Twitter. I picked up a fight with him by telling him that he did not do what the team asked to improve on his skills and stuffs. He became enraged at me as several more Habs fans backed me by trolling at him. LOL

  65. Sportfan says:

    Congrats to the Chicago Blackhawks THANK YOU!

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  66. Timooo says:

    Montreal hasn’t drafted a bona fide superstar (100 pointer) in many many years….since the Naslund days I guess.

    • Body_of_Price_Repels_You says:

      Drafting a 100 point player is not easy or common. There are only 15 active players who have had 100-point seasons (on only 10 different teams) it isn’t only the Habs not drafting 100 point players, 2/3 of the league isn’t drafting them.

  67. Maritime Ron says:

    And what about 1970 when we chose goalie Ray Martyniuk 5th overall ( 5th overall? Oh boy… :-))
    He never played an NHL game and 3 spots later, Toronto chose Darryl Sittler

    Another dandy 1st rounder was in 1982 Alain Heroux in the 19th spot that never played a game in the NHL.

    • PrimeTime says:

      How many stages of evolution did you miss??

      • The Dude says:

        Go back to cheering for the Washington Generals you prime time Ditz,lol

        • PrimeTime says:

          You should fix that tire on your house so you can get out of the mud where you’ve been stuck for the last 30 years. Your big bad B’s team of gladiators lost to a team of speed and skill. Conn Smythe winner is 5″11 180lbs. How did that happen?? Go back to your still and kill a few more brain cells. Oh, I guess you don’t need them in “the park”!

  68. Timooo says:

    The “H”s haven’t worked out either…Hainsey, Higgins (Matt or Chris), and Hossa. And of the course the #7 pick Komisarek!

    • habs_54321 says:

      cant say higgins didn’t work out he played some good hockey with montreal and is still playing an important role with vancouver, hes no superstar but a valuable player to any team

  69. donmarco says:

    Where is the list of successful first round picks? Or did you just not want to run a blank column?

    “Fans don’t boo nobodies”. Reggie Jackson

  70. Timooo says:

    Perezhogin wasn’t too pretty a pick either

  71. hab fan in leaf jungle says:

    How could you forget David Fischer, Louis Leblanc, Kyle Chipchura, AK46 and the biggest waste of a high pick in Carey Price? How does Timmins still have a job? This guy is an idiot. Even he couldn’t screw up a 3rd overall last year. Central scouting had the top 5 picks pretty well set up. Please get someone with a brain and drafting acumen if this franchise ever hopes to win a single round in the playoffs. The Habs will likely not even make the playoffs next year.

  72. habsfan0 says:

    The Habs drafted Doug Wickenheiser ahead of Denis Savard in 1980.
    In hindsight,that wasn’t a great move.

    • donmarco says:

      Not to mention trading Chelios to get him when he was pretty much done. I still think that rates as one of the worst trades in the history of the team.

      “Fans don’t boo nobodies”. Reggie Jackson

    • hab fan in leaf jungle says:

      Almost every GM said they would have done the same. DW was very unlucky in his hockey career and in life. He was a very decent kid and really tried his hardest and best to help the teams he played for. It just wasn’t in the cards for him in this life. May he R.I.P.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I agree with you here. It wasn’t a pick that you could fault the HABS on. Although I never looked at Wickenheiser and saw ‘excellent skater’ which to me is mandatory for 1st overall pick… but I didnt know enough about hockey yet to make noise.

    • Whatever says:

      Would Savard have had the same career being just a kid playing in the French Canadian market replacing Guy Lafleur? No one can know.

    • Newf_Habster says:

      At the time, GM Irving Grudman ignored his scouts’ advice on going after Savard and drafted poor Wickenheiser instead. Believe it or not, one of the scouts was Claude Ruel who was one of the best scouts that we had ever.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I take it back.. if Grundman ignored Ruel then it was out and outa goofed up pick.

        I know they also ignore Lafleur about drafting Bossy… he begged them to do it. Imagine if we had drafted Bossy…wow.

    • ont fan says:

      For 3 years fans were up in arms about Lafleur instead of Dionne. They wanted him gone. When I see Price instead of Brule (er Kopitar because we know that’s who we would have picked, lol ) It is the same deal. Dionne was burning up the league on a lousy Detroit team and Lafleur seemed ordinary.

  73. donmarco says:

    What is with this Eklund dude? According to him, Habs are front runners for Iginla, Briere and now, Letang. My bold prediction is none of them will ever be Habs. But now we get a two week armchair GM frenzy period. Woo Hoo.

    “Fans don’t boo nobodies”. Reggie Jackson

    • Captain aHab says:

      Eklund s a failed singer….Dwayne something is his name. He’s managed to convince a whole bunch of people that he’s some sort of insider.

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      • donmarco says:

        He’s about as accurate as the 14 day forecast on the weather network. But I can’t wait to see how the draft and UFA day unfold.

        “Fans don’t boo nobodies”. Reggie Jackson

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        I read an article that reviewed all of his rumors over a year and he was right less than .05% of the time. That didn’t include the rumours he rips off from Mckenzie and tries to pass off on his own

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hola ! Great to see the Hawks win last night. From the previous thread Re/Hawks trading John Scott. He is a Stiff, Hawks have plenty of tough guys on the farm in Rockford. Enjoy amigos!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcMu4l-QoQk

    • Newf_Habster says:

      He is as bad and fake as @hockeyyinsiderr and Creasy. There is no way for the Habs to sign Briere/Iginla and trade for Letang.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I agree with him.. on all counts but Briere. Why.. cause I would love to have Letang and Iginla. Let Eklund be right just this once.


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