Habs given day off Thursday after loss in Philly

The Canadiens flew home after Wednesday night’s 3-1 loss to the Flyers in Philadelphia and were given the day off Thursday by coach Michel Therrien.

The Canadiens will practise next at 11 a.m. Friday in Brossard before facing the Stanley Cup-champion Chicago Blackhawks Saturday night at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

A day after being named to Team Canada for the Sochi Olympics, P.K. Subban found himself back in coach Michel Therrien’s doghouse. Subban took a roughing penalty during a scrum at the end of the second period and found himself benched for the first half of the third period.

“Very bad penalty,” Therrien told reporters in Philadelphia after the game. “The team concept will always prevail. We’ll never, never, never change that.”

(Photo by Bruce Bennett/Getty Images)

Therrien was simply doing his job by benching Subban, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Flyers jump to early lead, hold on for win, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Habs didn’t execute, Therrien says, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

GM Bergevin says Habs are on right track, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Canadiens have rich history at Olympics, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Habs fly by night out of Philly, Canadiens.com

Words from the room (video), Canadiens.com

Red-hot Flyers could be darkhorse in the East, The Hockey News

Sabres name Tim Murray general manager, NHL.com



  1. olegpetrov says:

    Interesting Stat:

    Leafs have not won on the road in regulation since October.

    That is all.

    Habs fan…Nuff said

    • CJ says:

      7 shoot out wins. Honestly, if not for Bernier and Reimer, this would be a lottery team.

      • olegpetrov says:

        Well, look at Reimer and Bernier now. They were stellar in October and a bit of November but with the shit defence that Toronto has, they are being exposed.

        Habs fan…Nuff said

        • CJ says:

          They have regressed to the mean. Not surprising. Both have been exceptional up until the last few weeks. Bernier stopped 22 shots in the second period alone against the rangers, a game the leafs lost in OT. On over 10 occasions, they were outshot by a 2-1 ratio. Leafs are very fortunate to be where they are.

          • olegpetrov says:

            Very true. All those games they were winning in October and early November, they were incredibly opportunistic and had good goaltending. No consistency though. It’ll be interesting to see where they are in February.

            Habs fan…Nuff said

      • Sportfan says:

        Good thing Burkie isn’t around or someone would have that pick!

        Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  2. shiram says:

    I think I’d rather discuss Halak/Price than Therrien/Subban.
    This place could really use a new controversy to fuel the flames.

  3. Blade says:

    I just have such a hard time understanding why benching PK is the way to hold him accountable for his actions. Yes, he should not have done what he did and yes, he needs to understand that the team wins with him on the ice and not in the box. But benching him? That takes him off the ice and handicaps your team even more. Craig Berube and the entire Flyers staff must have been smiling ear to ear. Would the Habs have ended up winning the game with PK on the ice? Perhaps not…but MT did not help the team with those actions.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Ok…let’s move on.

      I really hope the Habs compete with the Hawks. It would be a huge confidence booster to win or even to show that we can compete with the best teams.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  4. HabinBurlington says:

    So we do know forsure that PK is an absolute joy for the coach to work with correct? We do know forsure that all other players in the locker room are thrilled to play with and compete with PK correct? We do know all of this 100% guaranteed as factual correct? Because for some reason a couple coaches in a row have chosen to pick fights with the most talented defenceman this team has seen in decades.

    I am now going into my 4 story deep bunker and will refuse to come out until PK is either traded or made Captain of the Habs.

    • Luke says:

      Captain of the Habs?

      Try Captain of Team Canada. I can’t believe how much you hate PK and love Babcock.

      Wait a sec… Babcock is allowed but John Son is an issue.


    • Eddie says:

      We should make Therrien the captain once we trade Gionta.

      He’s earned it.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You go and defend the coach Burly. I’ll defend the player that gives his all night in and night out. BTW, he’s one of the few on this team who does that.

      There is NOTHING in PK’s history that indicates he’s a troubled man. There is plenty in MT’s history to indicate he’s prone to hissy fits.

      • Eddie says:

        Absolutely Jim.

        The implication that Subban “deserves” the treatment is completely uncalled for.

        Therrien is the one who has the history that should be scrutinized.

      • Walmyr says:

        Wait a minute…
        Burly in one side and Jim in the other…HIO can explode now!….

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I am not defending anyone Jim, I am just asking for this guranteed evidence that is being told to me everyday I come to this website. That indeed PK is the single greatest player in NHL History, he is perfect, he is without fault, and that Therrien actually speaks out of his ass.

        Those are the facts presented every day here.

        • Eddie says:

          Subban is not the best player in NHL history. He is the foundation of this team today and going forward for the next 15 years or so.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Not based on what I read here Ed, it seems he is without fault. I love PK, I want him on this team moving forward. He is indeed a cornerstone of the team. But for fricks sake, no one is ever allowed to question him on this site without being called all kinds of names. He is a fricking human young hockey player.

            And for the record I hate MT as coach, never wish he was hired, but he is the coach, and I support the Habs, and so for now I have to support the coach.

          • Eddie says:

            I hear you and respect you, and you’re opinions.

            From my point of view Subban is under attack for punching a prick Flyer in the face, something I wish Markov, Plekanec or Gionta would have the cojones to do every once in a while.

            But it was suggested to me, correctly, that those “leaders” would never have done what Subban did.

            We agree to disagree I guess, and I’m fine with that.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            CHeers Ed, I the same, always look forward to your comments and respect them.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Right on! P.K. is a very nice young man as he has constantly shown. Young, not perfect but who is? MT is a dick as he has shown his entire career.

        Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  5. boonie says:

    We have a Norris winner. A talened keeper, yet to earn NHL hardware and an underrated two way center. We know ’em as PK, Price and Plecs. In LA they are Doughty, Quick and Anze.

    The Kings believed in them enough to change coaches and to trade Schenn, Simmonds, John son, a conditional first and a second for Carter and Richards.

    Does MB believe in our core enough to make similarly bold moves? Would he move two of Eller, Gally and Chuky; plus one of Tinordi and Beaulieu and high picks for players that could elevate us from good to Cup? Would he hire an Anglo-only coach if it made the difference to win?

    • habstrinifan says:

      LA does not have RDS and the french factor. Both are influential.. In my opinion if HABS dealt with one in a forthright and proper manner, they wont have to fear the other.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think he has the sack to make the trades, but one first has to be a team close enough and ready enough to make those trades worthwhile.

      L.A. took years and years of patience, drafting etc.. then they had a deep cupboard of talent, prospects etc… that they could afford to lose that talent and still have young players come up the following years.

      We simply are not that good yet, in my twisted opinion.

      • Mattyleg says:

        And years of suckitude as well, don’t forget!!

        Their goaltending position was a revolving door that spun faster than a Spitfire’s propeller!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • boonie says:

        I don’t think we’re there either. But our prospects store is well-stocked. Very few GMs have the guts to make those deals. It takes really conviction.

      • aroma says:

        The cupboard is not bare, but perhaps not as plentiful as we thought. More than ever, especially if a big trade is to be made, an intelligent and accurate appraisal needs to be made of our up and coming defencemen, of which there are theoretically many. A poor appraisal could result in continuing the horrifying trend in the last two decades or so of letting the wrong defencemen go.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Nobody in friggin LA gave a rats butt about their hockey team until they got good.

        That ain’t happening here. Bergevin was hired to turn this franchise into a Cup contender. His signature moves thus far have been MT as coach and Briere as a free agent.

        He’s been giving a lot of slack deserved or not.

        The coach is a different story. He’s the same ole same ole and doesn’t deserve the same amount of slack imo. He’s a bully. It’s his DNA.

  6. mount royal says:

    Very tough article by Cantin at la Presse on how MT is playing with fire in his dealings with Subban. He states that MT is reverting to his old ways; a form of coaching that even in his Pittsburg time,was outdated. If the francophone media gets stirred up, MT will not survive for long.

  7. boonie says:

    HIO is marking my posts as spam. They’re not worth much, but they are better than that.

    No links or URLs, just some plain text.

    Any thoughts?

  8. jacquesthemonkey says:

    Philippe Cantin’s article in La Presse today: http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/chroniques/philippe-cantin/201401/10/01-4727327-michel-therrien-joue-avec-le-feu.php

    Basically, Therrien is playing with fire in his dealing with Subban. He also mentions that it’s easier to find an NHL coach than to find a player with Subban’s talent. MB better fix this soon and it better not mean trading Subban.

  9. habstrinifan says:

    Martin St. Louis plus plus for P.K. Subban.

    You heard it here first.

  10. durocher says:

    According to Spector: “Katie Strang (ESPN) speculates the asking price for Buffalo Sabres Matt Moulson could be a second round pick…”

    If a second round pick is all it takes to get Moulson, MB should have pulled the trigger yesterday. Make it Briere and a 2nd!

    • CJ says:

      Keep the second round pick and sign him in the summer.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        or get him and negotiate now to make sure you get him. Make some conditions on the trade. This team needs help scoring goals big time

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • CJ says:

          Team needs help defending. Goals will follow. We need to play more of the game in the other team’s end. We defend far too much and it’s taxing our players. By the end of the shift we have no gas left so they dump it in and change, and the cycle continues. We ice the puck more then any team in the league. I know it seems like the issue is our forwards, but the biggest concern IMO is our defence.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I don’t disagree CJ that our current D isn’t the greatest but I think in the next two to three years that will change. Our scoring….not so sure on that front. I do think that Pateryn should get a shot on D. Boulion needs to just go away. Diaz should be traded for draft picks as he does have some value.

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Eddie says:

            Winning battles in the defensive zone is not only on the defence.

            For example, Desharnais can not win battles very often there. And yes, dare I say it, even Plekanec can be over matched by the big and powerful forwards who he needs to battle. And he is over matched like he was against Staal last week in that comeback.

            Centerman need to defend down low against forwards as well.

          • CJ says:

            I agree, defence in 1-3 years should be very improved. Size, different skills and abilities. We might be among the best in the league. That is why I hope we don’t make a band aid decision now. This is not our year. Let’s enjoy the ride and see where it takes us. I think we could win a round in the playoffs, even while trading away some pending UFA’s. That is my hope anyway.

  11. DipsyDoodler says:

    Related topic: the coach needing to speak French.

    I think this is less of a requirement than people think. The hubbub over Cunneyworth was actually minimal. A handful of protesters (and I mean a handful) at one match, and a few rumblings from the PQ.

    Having an Anglo coach would not cost Molson any money (while having a losing team will). No fan really cares. Similarly, hiring Steve Yzerman as GM would surely have been seen positively.

    I think it depends on who the coach is. If it’s a guy like Cunneyworth people will say – well since you’re hiring a rookie why not a Francophone one.

    But hire a good experienced coach and the complaints will last a few days and come from people who don’t care about the game.

    If Mike Babcock for example ever decides he wants to coach the team from the real hockey town (not the made up by an advertising guy one), guaranteed that even the separatists will be happy.

  12. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Happy thoughts for the morning: Boston, Tampa Bay, and Detroit all lost in regulation last night, so no changes at the top of the table, except for decrease in games in hand. Toronto lost in a big way to Carolina, dropping them out of playoff contention. The Habs’ loss to the Flyers was regrettable, but let’s not forget the Flyers were on a 9-game home win streak, having finally located their mojo. Big exhale of breath, intake of hot coffee, and smile. We’ll see what the Habs are made of against Chicago. We’ll also see how Coach Therrien handles the game. And maybe a sparkplug from Hamilton can aid the cause. Go Habs!

  13. Mattyleg says:

    Sergio Momesso had a good balanced opinion this morning on TSN, and made the point that there are people who think that PK can do no wrong, and who think that everything the coach does toward him is some kind of sleight.

    He said that it’s just a benching, and that it’s not a big deal, and that the player (in this case, PK) will take it in his stride and make sure it doesn’t happen again.

    Some people are comparing DD’s blown coverage (but nobody is talking about Bournival’s for some reason) as equally bad and deserving of being benched, but that’s not the same thing at all; PK’s penalty was a brain-cramp born of indiscipline, DD’s lapse was something that happens to players all the time during the course of a game.

    And anyone who says that Therrien isn’t trying to win games is ignoring all the line-juggling, the healthy scratches (DD was one of those, as was Bourque, and Briere), and the many things he does over the course of the game.

    I’m not a huge Therrien supporter; he’s not the most amazing coach we’ve ever had, but I believe that a coach has a very difficult job to do, and we as fans should try to see the good in what he does rather than just the bad. He must be doing something right, because we’re in 3rd in our division, and 4th in our conference.

    The media loves this sort of thing, and intentionally blows it up into epic proportions, but I bet you dollars to doughnuts that PK has already forgotten about it and is focusing on the next game, and that it will blow over like so many other non-issues.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • CJ says:

      The media is the gas to the fan’s fire. Good, balanced, post. Cheers, CJ

      • Mattyleg says:

        Thanks CJ!

        Galdarn media.
        I just read an article that says nobody needs them.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • CJ says:

          William T Sherman spoke out vehemently against the press during the US civil war. Nothing has changed today. They work to manipulate opinions. I respect people building their own opinion on any particular issue, however the media need to leave issues well enough alone. TSN salivates at the chance to throw a canadiens related issue on the main page, if only to detract from the leafs woes. Let’s not give them the satisfaction.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Just once I want to take someone up on a bet of Dollars to Donuts, so for example, Matty you put up 100 dollars, and I will put up 2 donuts. Does this sound fair?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Matty – while I agree with you that the reaction here to recent events makes a 12 year old Justin Beiber fan waiting outside his hotel seem poised and thoughtful by comparison, don’t you think that, putting it all together, Therrien really does have issues with PK, and that he’s being unduly harsh with his – by far – best player?

      There’s been a consistent pattern here that suggests Therrien dislikes PK and somehow wants to break him, starting with the stupid banning of the high fives, to the even stupider benching against Philly.

      • Mattyleg says:

        It’s very hard to say.

        People in leadership positions have to deal with many types of personalities, and sometimes they get it wrong. I was a high-school teacher, and there were students that I had to be very tough on to get them to perform to their potential, and sometimes I pushed them too far down that road (nothing serious, don’t get me wrong!) and other students who I had to be easier on, and equally sometimes that softer touch got taken advantage of. It’s a balancing act.

        Therrien knows how valuable PK is, and he knows that he’s a game-changer. He needs PK to be performing at his best all the time, and that, I believe was the message.

        As for the low-five, it was unpopular amongst the team-mates (lots of players said they were happy that it was gone) and Price also said that it was something that they couldn’t drop themselves, and were happy for the intervention – don’t forget that it wasn’t just PK on his own in that ritual.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  14. scotland says:

    “it ridiculous that everyone wants therrien fired for benching pk”

    have not heard or spoke with one person who said or thinks that. i have heard from lots who think that on top of everything else therrien should be replaced.

    when mt is fired as we all know he will be……..it will be for more than the mishandling of the canadiens best player……and it will be more about what he cant do than what he can do.

  15. habstrinifan says:

    On an unrelated note. When you plug enough metal around your lips-mouth , nose and ears, blocking up all those orifices, sooner or later you gonna have to talk outta that other orifice. Unfortunately it’s gonna be a lot of crap.

    Ergo Denis Rodman.

  16. aroma says:

    just to change the subject…

    I’ve come up with a great solution to make the regular season more meaningful:

    Given that we still have an overly lengthy 82 game sched that serves only to eliminate less than half the teams, there needs to be a way to reward winning the division. I suggest that the first round of playoffs rewards divisional winners by giving them a bye.

    In that round the top six teams in each conference based on points play each other.

    In the second round, divisional champs and the remaining three teams square off.

    In other words, the same number of teams make the playoffs with a significant reward for winning the division. The regular season is therefore far more meaningful.

    The question would remain how long that first round series should be – either best of three or five. The former cuts down on potential playoff revenue, the latter means the divisional winners could get a little rusty awaiting the end of the first round. Actually, both those reasons would probably put the kibbosh on such a plan ever being implemented… but that’s my fantasy…

    So, whaddya think?

    • habstrinifan says:

      Good luck with changing the subject man! I tried and failed. See my post above. Although my post had bad Aroma.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I’ve never been a fan of byes, as it can be a poisoned chalice, especially in a 7-game series , as your team doesn’t play for ages, and comes back rusty to play against a team who is already flying high from winning their first round.

      Secondly, the owners will never want to pass up on lost revenue.

      I do agree that the season is overly-long, though.

      They could easily cut 15 games out of the schedule, but once again, owners and revenue…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • CJ says:

        I’d love to see the season cut down by 10-12 games. Also, my biggest beef is they charge season ticket holders full price for preseason tickets. Because Montreal plays more preseason games then any other team, we are asked to cash up for 6-7 preseason home games. This has been a beef of mine for years. When I used to have season tickets in ottawa, they not only gave you the preseason tickets, they also gave us two extra pairs of tickets free each year. I’m sick of subsidizing these teams who’s business model is flawed. Knock out 6 teams, and go forward with 24. Rant over.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Sadly CJ they only care about money. This is all about money.

          I agree that the league should be cut down. The nice part of last year is all the games meant something as it was a half season. It made it more fun to watch

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • CJ says:

            Last year was excellent, and far less costly. Inflation will drive us away soon enough. Seats will only be owned by corporations, and the most affluent, just like Toronto. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it’s a sore spot with me.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Rant received.


          I agree, btw.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Luke says:

        Than, we’ll just have to say “until we meet again”


        This dropped down too far the chain to be as funny as it really is, and it really is funny).

    • habstrinifan says:

      I think it will produce couple things:

      Better real hockey.. teams will really try to win the division.
      Intense hockey.

      Mattyleg is right though wont fly. Money talks.

      • aroma says:

        absolutely true, methinks. Won’t happen as it’s obvious that money talks more than anything… especially in the NHL where tradition and convention fly out the window if there’s extra wampum to be made. But any lover of the NHL knows that the game would be vastly improved with a shorter, more meaningful regular season, bigger rink surface, and zero toleration of any attempt to injure… daydream over.

  17. 24 Cups says:

    So if the laffs do fire Carlyle, who do they replace him with, Guy Boucher?

  18. habsguru says:

    comments re Gio: he is offensively inaffective, however, he is sound in the defensive end, unlike DD, Bourque and yes Patch. how many times do the forwards lose their coverage in the D zone. often, but not usually Gio, throw him on a shut down line until he is done.

  19. habstrinifan says:

    Anybody has “How to get a Simpson face” up on their “You might also like”?

    I want one.

  20. shiram says:

    Can’t wait for the new thread announcing the team practice.

  21. habstrinifan says:

    Be a good boy jimmy… be a good boy.

    OK Mommy!

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Jared Tinordi on CH Morning Live with Bruiser.


    From a couple days ago, figured this was something different than the re-hashing of MT/PK.

  23. rhino514 says:

    I think MT and MB have made a conscious decision that only boring defensive hockey can get you past the first round of the playoffs. They may believe this rather than half the team being injured had more to do with their first round exit last year.
    Sadly, it has been the way more and more with eaching passing year. A talented skating team like the Canadiens get penalized to a certain extent in this regard.
    There are a few teams out there who staill play exciting hockey, like the pens or the caps, but their playoff record in recent years is disappointing, lending credence to this theory. They get branded as chokers, when really they are just skating teams and that´s not their fault.
    It´s sad to see pretty much all of the forwards seeing their points seriously cut down, except Pacioretty, and perhaps Plekanec, who miraculously puts up points playing shutdown hockey. It´s sad too that the habs would be one of the premier teams in the league if teams were allowed to skate, but we don´t have hardly any good crash and bangers on the horizon. Still a talented team, but hurt by the current state of things. I´d personally rather they went back to being the exciting team of last year.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If the Habs were to open up and play run and gun hockey we wouldn’t even be in a playoff spot right now.

      The Habs defence would get destroyed. We need all hands on deck to cover up for our weak defence.

    • habs001 says:

      I just dont see the forward talent on this team that you see..For me only Gion,Borque and Briere are performing under expectations scoring wise and is that because of the coaching?..or is it the wear and tear of their past seasons…

  24. MikesNightOff says:

    So here is my opinion (which is worth nothing).

    Bergevin explained to Therrien when he was hired that he was most likely not going to be around when Montreal was ready to contend. If not, Therrien isn’t stupid. This is Montreal after all. He is most likely an interim coach. Bergevin explained to Therrien that he wanted to instill a team-first attitude. That’s why he benches the younger players. These younger players may be around when Montreal is ready to contend.

    As for the vets, they know they probably won’t win a cup with Montreal this year. Vets want to play on a cup contending team. If Montreal was a powerhouse like Chicago, signing quality free agents would not be a problem. Right now, Montreal is a place where free agents go to wind down their career. You can say that they are being paid an enormous amount of money and should be giving 100 percent every game, but for most of them, it’s not about the money – it’s winning the cup that matters. Free agents don’t want to part of a transitioning team. They want a chance at the cup.

    Therrien is looking at the big picture. Long term. This is what Bergevin wants.

  25. monmick says:

    Anyone who can read french should have a look at Philippe Cantin’s article on the PK-Therrien affair in this morning’s La Presse.


    Quite a contrast from Pat Hickey’s article.

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

    • Ron says:

      Good piece mick. Hickey is a decent writer but IMO tends to write articles that keep him allowed in the dressingroom. It’s not only because I’m not in favour of MT’s action in Philly but Cantin put some good points forward. Very good read.

    • stephen says:

      Thanks for the link, monmick.

      For a coach who so regularly preaches the ‘team concept’, he seems to have allowed his own ego and pride to take precedence in this situation.

    • New says:

      It also poses a question. How does one become a distraction on the team? Through the management’s actions? Through your own actions? Or is it really when the press constantly harps on the same issue?

      Watch HIO as commenters get themselves worked into a frenzy over the smallest things. Is it any different with the media?

      Subban played 22.24, well on course for his 26 to 27 minutes a game lately. What was different? He got in a hot tempered scrum after the second period and began running his yap. A couple days before he ran his yap at the refs. There is only one person playing with fire and it is PK. The media just add fuel and ensure the flames don’t flicker out.

  26. knob says:

    Does anyone think that the game Subban had in Dallas, where he scored a goal and three assists while completely dominating the ice made MT a better coach? You know, the same way that MT made PK a Norris Trophy winner.

  27. Thurston says:

    On a side note, I attended the Ottawa 67’s-Windsor Spitfires game last night at the WFCU Centre in Windsor. Ottawa won 8-3 but the highlight in a losing effort for the Spitfires was the play of Habs’ prospect Brady Vail as he scored all three Windsor goals.
    I believe they announced he now has 21 on the season.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I caught a bit of the game on the tube here in Ottawa. Habs fans have basically go to play the odds and hope that a someone out of Vail, Hudon, Bozon, Crisp or another second tier prospect develops into a solid NHLer for the Habs.

      Vail looks good!

      • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

        Did you notice #17 on the 67s, Travis Konency? Watch out for that lad in the years to come. (Draft eligible in 2015.)

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          It would be nice if one day the Habs had a decent draft pick who played for the 67s. The 67s move back into their refurbished building next season and I’m looking forward to going and checking out a few games.

          I saw Tinordi and the Knights play there a couple seasons ago and also saw Yakupov score an incredible goal on another night.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            I agree. I have seen a few 67’s games and they can be fun to watch. It would be great to have a rooting interest on the team cause I generally don’t cheer for any teams in Ottawa.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

            Any thoughts on Ryan Van Stralen? He’s a big boy (6’3″). Never drafted. Has 18 goals this year so far.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I know the name but can’t say I’ve seen enough of him to make any sort of judgement call.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      Was at the game here in windsor, and vail did have a great game. Size, speed, skill, grit and a great release. Good pick up by timmons and co.

      Shaker out!

    • CJ says:

      I caught a period last night. What’s been equally impressive with Vail is his defensive play. Lastly, he looks a lot bigger then 6’1″.

  28. habs001 says:

    Many posters are feel that the strategy MT uses is the reason the team is having problems scoring…looking at the roster the 3 players that are really under performing are Gion,Briere and Borque…so if you had the coach you wanted these guys would perform to their standards?..i dont see from anywhere else where more goals will come from besides these three regardless who is the coach..

    • knob says:

      Gionta, for a lack of better words, has sucked;

      Bourque has struggled with injuries this season. Bourque isn’t scoring but he is contributing. Bourque is strong on the boards and is decent on the forecheck. With that said, I do think that Bourque has some room to elevate his game; and

      Briere has had a tough go here. I did not like the signing simply because I didn’t think he had a spot in the top nine. Guess what, Therrien barely plays him. If Briere was getting a regular shift (more than the 10 minutes a game that he currently gets) plus pp time, then yes Briere would produce.

      Therien has converted this free flowing, free skating team into a team that focuses on blocking shots, stick checking, and dump and chase. It sin’t working but that is simply my opinion.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Gionta has not been good, but he’s been better than Bourque. that much is certain.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • MikeHabs says:

          The hate that Gionta receives is getting quite annoying. He is paid to do more than score. Gio and Plek are top shutdown guys on the team and play the top line of the opposition every night. the captain was out producing fan favourite gallagher in tougher minutes. while its easy to hate on Gio, he’s done well to deserve his contract over the years.

      • habs001 says:

        I am still not convinced if the style you want to see with this roster would score more goals..Plecks on his way to his usual low to mid 20 goal season…..MaxPac on his way to 30 +goals…Gallagher and Galchenyuk half way thru the season were on pace for 20 goals..Eller on pace for 18 goals…so more scoring has to come from the above three as i dont see any of the remaining forwards producing more than they have so far..

        • knob says:

          When Montreal pushes the pace of a hockey game they are much more offensive (mind you the goalies tend to allow an extra goal here or there) and more successful.

          I do agree that Montreal needs to get more out of the three that you have mentioned. Montreal also needs to get more our of their back end. It is hard to imagine that after PK and Markov this team has zero offense from the other Dmen.

          What is also hurting us is our PP. Way too predictable!! They need to be able to create offense from other parts of the ice.

          I would also love to see them split PK and Markov up on the PP and use 4 forwards on each unit but you know…that would take creativity. Something MT lacks.

  29. Marc10 says:

    So… Les Boys aren’t playing very well and not scoring 5 on 5 and the PP is slipping. What would it take to land Nail Yakupov from the Oil?

    Eller + Beaulieu + first rounder?

    And would you do it?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’d be very tempted to do that or somethng similar. I’m not sure if trading Beaulieu would be a smart move but I’d love to get a game breaker somehow. Evander Kane still seems like a really nice option for the Habs. I’d like to get him without giving up Pacioretty though. I’d love to see both of them on the Habs.

      Go Habs Go!!

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The way Yakupov looks right now, that’s a huge over payment.

    • --Habs-- says:

      I wouldn’t give up Briere only for Yakupov! What do you want another attitude on the team who thiinks the team is I?

      “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

    • knob says:

      I would not trade Eller and Beaulieu for Yak. Eller, if he can ever reach the next step, will be an idea top six centre, something we have been missing for quite a while.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I get the feeling that Eller will max out as a good 3rd line player….maybe borderline 2nd line guy. We’ll know better if he ever gets a chance at 2nd line centre consistently though.

        Go Habs Go!!

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  30. Hobie Hansen says:

    I saw a little blurb on TSN yesterday that the Bruins could have interest in Dan Girardi or Mark Stuart. It would be to replace the injured Dennis Seidenberg.

    Hey Marc Bergevin! If those guys are available you better get on the horn and get in on that action too!

    • Great players to fill in for defense that can’t be moved. No one wants our small defenseman otherwise they’d be gone by now. I’m assuming of course.

      He said it (Bergevin) first, build through the draft, and we all now what that means. Put up with what we got and have a good draft.

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  31. DomKing says:

    I agree with Pay Hickey regarding Michel Therrien’s benching of PK. Watching PK play is sheer joy, and losing him would be a big blow. But far worse than that would be the coach losing the respect of an entire team for fear of offending one of his stars. Just look at the mess in Washington with RGIII. Either everyone listens to the coach or no one does.

    • knob says:

      Interesting perspective however, if Therrien loses the room it will be because he didn’t bench Desharnais for ten minutes. Desharnais blew cover on the first goal and had a lazy change on the third goal. Just as an example as there were many players that could have been benched that night.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I wonder how Babcock would react to that penalty from PK if he does it in the Olympics against the USA, for example.

        I don’t think I would have handled it quite like MT did, but I’m not sure it was the worst thing to do.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • knob says:

          I will be surprised if PK gets more than pp time, if any time. Canada has a strong group on the right side and I think that PK’s short-comings blind all that is good with him.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            If PK plays like he can, he will move up the depth chart. I see him starting as the # 7 D with mainly pp time, but as the tournament goes on, he’ll see more ice time.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          I’d be willing to bet that PK would not let this happen in that tournament. In this incident, he was playing on a bad team or a team playing a bad game against the the Big Bad Flyers in the midst of a long, long schedule.

          • knob says:


          • Habsrule1 says:

            You’re probably right but given some of the rivalries, emotion can get pretty high there as well at times.

            Go Habs Go!!

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  32. Old Bald Bird says:

    Is it common policy amongst the coaching fraternity to bench major trophy winners for a brief meltdown (the first of the season I am told), or is it our coach’s special medicine for his pet project? I am eager to learn.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      It was not that big a deal. I think a shift or 2 would have sufficed, but I doubt PK is anywhere near as upset as everyone else seems to be. He probably finds the reactions from fans hilarious.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • JF says:

      This was by no means the first time P.K. has taken an undisciplined penalty at a bad time. I tend to agree with Pat Hickey that Therrien was sending a message both to P.K. and to the team in benching P.K. and in not pulling Budaj. The team had played an absolute stinker of a game, and, having generated only five shots in the third period, there was little or no chance of their scoring two goals in the last couple of minutes with the extra man. The game was lost almost from the moment the team stepped on the ice. Therrien was telling them that the level of effort was unacceptable and that discipline was important at all times. To me the whole thing is no big deal. Let’s see if they can muster a better effort against the Blackhawks.

      • Cal says:

        Isn’t Therrien responsible for getting the players ready for the team they’re about to face? Way too often this season, the Habs come out as flat as pancakes.
        Throwing away the 2 points by benching PK and not pulling the goalie is NOT acceptable for a coach. His job is to win, not wave the white flag of surrender and then throw all his players under the bus.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Cal, if the team learns that they have to play 60 minutes, the loss could be worth it. I agree with you, but I think MT knew for a fact that the way the team was competing, there was no comeback coming.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Thanks for these answers, but I still find that they beg the question. If the characters were not PK and MT but DB and SC, would this occur? Or would most coaches dismiss this as a “one-off, heat-of-the-moment” sort of thing?

      I must declare my prejudice that most benchings are puerile and unproductive. My guess is that most guys know they have screwed up and don’t require a time-out like a two-year-old.

      • JF says:

        I think benchings do sometimes serve a purpose. Lars Eller was benched early last season, talked with Sylvain Guimond (the sports psychologist), and was much better afterwards. Desharnais was better after his benching. Even Brière has improved since being benched. P.K. himself was benched early his career. Whether it was the right move in this case remains to be seen. However, two points stand out for me. P.K. has got to stop taking bad penalties at inopportune times. And the Habs lost the game because they did not compete hard enough. (But I agree with Cal above that it is the job of the coaching staff to have the team well prepared. There have been a few times this season when this has not seemed to be the case.)

  33. habsfanincalgary says:

    Perhaps the team should go bowling? 🙂

    I’m a little disappointed with this team this year again…they show signs of brilliance (PIT and BOS wins) and then complete collapses (e.g. New Year’s eve CAR game, PHI game this week, etc.), not to mention another loss in Calgary in October.

    Offence is a struggle at times (thankfully, not as bad as the Flames as I saw Halak last night earn the SO).

    In the back of my mind, I’m hoping the PK benching does not brew into another Roy incident to a lesser extent: PK goes to arbitration and then signs elsewhere and claims the Norris for several years in his career.

    Saturday is showtime! Will the real ’13/’14 Habs team please show itself?

    GO HABS!

  34. Strummer says:

    Good night for the Habs last night- Bruins, Leafs, Wings and Bolts lose.

    Also of note- Michael Ryder scores his 15th for the Devils. That would rank him second on Habs. Sigh..

    “It’s just an opinion- I could be wrong”

  35. All day long I listened to people call in into 690, and all day long it was the same. Therrien is a coach, and that’s it. He’s no more special than the next guy, and politics got him in. I hate it but that’s Montreal for you and now the rest of us have to watch defensive hockey.

    You want defensive hockey, build a team that plays that blue collar hard working system.

    Said it over and over. All these small guys are thinking the same thing, you (Therrien) go out there and block those shots.

    What a great day, cause I don’t give a rats fury ______ how these guys play. It’s nice outside, we have minor hockey and Wheat Kings all weekend and until the Habs hire a coach for the right reasons I am gonna laugh at every pathetic loss. What else can we do 😆

    A win Saturday night will only mask the problem, HEY COACH THERRIEN, tic tic tic, you gotta change that work ethic, or Bergevin will change it for you. NEVER GIVE UP!

    OK I’m all fired up again, man I love this game, it’s so simple, but you have to be able to motivate your troops, and prepare each game for the style that comes in. You don’t set a team system, and play that way every game, you read the other team’s system and manipulate it into a win. GO HABS GO GO HABS GO GO HABS GO

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  36. HabinBurlington says:

    Cloudy here in southern Ontario, indeed perhaps the sky is falling, not sure if due to the Leafs carnage last night or the grouse injustice done to one of our stars.

    I am now very very very worried.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Don’t feel bad burli
      You think the habs have some issues? How would you like to have $17M tied up in Phaneuf-Gleason-Gunnerson-Fraser-Ranger on the back end next year…and we won’t even get into the Clarkson thing.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        True, I will say in defence of the Laffs, that losing Bolland was huge. He was one of the few players on that team carried Carlyle’s message on to the ice. Despite being a UFA signing, he quickly became a major leader on that team.

  37. Maritime Ronn says:

    I guess we can all continue to go back and forth (Hickey included) about whether Coach MT’s decisions were right or wrong, yet in reality, it will be the future play of the team that will decide that.

    Wins and losses are crucial and what it’s all about, yet sometimes it becomes the way you win and especially the way you lose – the effort, how all compete and respond to coaching directives and decisions…..

    Between now and the end of January, the Habs will be tested playing playoff hungry teams, and there are no Islanders-Buffalo-Florida-Edmonton-Nashville on the schedule.

    It starts with 2 games at home against Chicago and always tough New Jersey.
    Then a 4 game road trip Ottawa-Toronto-Pitt-Detroit.
    Back home against Washington and Carolina.
    Then off to Boston for another road game.

    Will the team respond?

    The post Olympic schedule will be brutal.

  38. Cal says:

    With no call ups from the Bulldogs yet, does anyone else smell a trade?

  39. Habsrule1 says:

    Good morning!

    Glad everyone has had time to relax and sleep it off. We all now realize that while what Therrien did with PK was a mistake (he should have turned the emotion showed into a positive or at worst, only benched him for a shift or 2), but certainly not the travesty some posters were trying to sell us.

    Now, on to Chicago. If we can beat them, the mood in here will be great. I’m not all that confident, but I’m hoping they play well and stay in the game against the Stanley Cup Champions.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  40. CJ says:

    It will be interesting to see if there are call ups today. I can’t imagine Chicago being the kind of team who Parros would be effective against. We will need speed and skill on Saturday night. I also don’t think seven defencemen works. Make a choice and live and die with the decision.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’d like to see Louis and maybe Blunden called up. Nobody is tearing it up in Hamilton, but sometimes that call up can really get a player going and they may spark the team a little, whether 1 or both of them play. They really can’t do any worse that Bourque and some others have been doing lately.

      Go Habs Go!!

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  41. Habfan17 says:

    We are not privy to what takes place in the dressing room, behind closed doors, or during practice. There may be some issues regarding PK. Having said that, on the surface and in the public eye, it certainly seems that PK is held to a different standard than his peers and he seems to get called out for the same things others get away with.

    I read the piece that Liam McGuire wrote. I respect his opinion, however I think he is wrong with regard to PK. Yes, in the past, rookies got benched or called out when they made mistakes and veterans got a buy. That doesn’t mean that it was the correct course of action. History has proven that lots of things we thought were great ideas in the past, were actually not so good. It was also a time when if a veteran really wasn’t doing his best, he could be sent down, traded anywhere, and teams did not have to deal with the cap when making decisions.

    Isn’t it the ultimate selfish act to not show up ready to play and then float? What does that say to the team? As added proof that what Therrien did was wrong, look at John LeClair. Demers played the musical shifts game with him and killed his confidence. So much so, that he was traded and he went on to flourish under a coach who recognized that by putting players together, giving them a deadline and letting them play through their mistakes, would be a better approach. Those were LeClair’s words, paraphrased, during an interview I saw him give.

    It is no wonder PK has made some mistakes, He is probably holding his stick too tight wondering what awaits him when he gets back to the bench if he does make a mistake, then he ends up making mistakes. Instead of using his talents and instincts that made him great at carrying the puck, he seems to be nervous and over thinking.
    That is what Therrien has achieved by having to put PK in his place.


  42. Plekasuares says:

    We’ll be fine. We are not sellers at the deadline I gurantee that. All that Seller and Buyer stuff is all crap anyway. Like Buffalo who sucks has anything useful to sell….

    • Dust says:

      really? You don’t think Miller is useful? or Ott? They have players there to sell if they want

    • CJ says:

      Hate to point this out, but buffalo has established the best talent pool in the league. Add in the extra draft picks this year and they could have a great thing on their hands in 3-5 years. Tim Murray has inherited a gold mind if he only uses it properly. I’d love to land Brayden McNabb or Marcus Foligno. Buffalo will need salary to make the floor next season.

    • Maritime Ronn says:


    • Habsrule1 says:

      I think we can be sellers in a good way. Perhaps we can trade some pieces that we don’t really need and that may not negatively affect the team too much and gather a few draft picks, even if they are 2nd to 5th round picks.

      Any chance we can actually improve the current team with a trade or 2 at the deadline?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • CJ says:

        Could be addition by subtraction. Moving Bourque, if only for a fourth round pick and promote Leblanc. In my humble opinion, we would be better and would enjoy the pick, allowing Timmons the chance to work his majic.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Yes. That is along the lines I was thinking. Move out some parts that we won’t miss and see if someone else might jump into that role, whether it means bringing someone in from Hamilton or increasing roles of certain players in Montreal.

          Go Habs Go!!

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      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Good point
        Playoff team San Jose last year moved Murray to Pitt for 2 Second rounders and also moved Clowe to the Rangers for another 2 Second round picks and a 3rd.

    • JUST ME says:

      One has to look at the possibility of being a seller if what you have does not do the job. I do not believe in giving your future away (draft picks) for immediate results since those will not get you very far. Do not either believe that a rental will be of any use in the Habs situation.
      I for one am a very bad example of being opened to seeing good players go but one must give something good to get equal value in return. Our so called garbages are not of any value elsewhere.

      I think with all the kids growing up in the farm system and veterans being at the end of their deals that this may be the time to make big moves and get new veteran blood in the organization.

  43. Maritime Ronn says:


    Advanced stats are good tools that could perhaps show trends IF (big IF) the stats are properly collected, yet they should never be the 1A of analysis of a player/team.

    They can pinpoint some trends, yet they just don’t tell the whole story that a good set of experienced eyes can do such as recognizing the several intangibles a player brings.

    Even convention stats are sometimes way out of whack and don’t begin to tell the story.

    Take Plus/Minus as an example.
    Brent Seabrook is +21 while Shea Weber is -14 this year.

    Does that mean Weber is a terrible defensive Dman, or is it possible that this was hugely affected because goaltending starter Pekka Rinne was hurt after Game 9, and the Preds 2nd-3rd string goalies can’t stop a beach ball.

  44. CJ says:

    Carolina really turned their season around, and it started with the third period comeback against Montreal. Winners of five in a row, they are now in the playoff picture. I can’t imagine what the Leafs brass felt like watching Liles score last night. Oh my.

    The Bruins and Lightning both lost, meaning we are once again within a stones throw of first place. As bad as our play has been at times, the east remains wide open. This will be a key month. The next nine games will go along way to determining our fate and the fate of our players at the deadline.

  45. petefleet says:

    I have not read the other 1000 comments but it occurs to me, from what I have read, that posters don’t look at the stats sometimes. Only 2 players for the Habs played more minutes in the Flyers game, Pleks and Markov. Even though PK was benched for 10 mins and in the box for 2 more, he still played 22.5 mins. That’s only a minute or 2 less than he would have played regardless. so I ask this question, how much impact did it really have on his/the game? I would think that MT had this info as well and compensated for it. That doesn’t mean I agree with benching the best players for either tema that night, I’m just putting it in perspective.
    I want us to win every game but really…..

    “Being on the PP doesn’t make you an offensive threat anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.”
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    • Habfan10912 says:

      We’ll never know what impact he would have had in 10 minutes in the third. That’s the whole issue. The coach deemed it necessary to bench our most talented player for 10 minutes in a 2 goal game then proceeded to play him something like the next 8 minutes of the final 10.

      Unless something else happened between periods that we’re not privy to, even the most fair minded minds, this side of Matty, think it was harsh. Sit him for a shift or two is one thing. Half a period for that?

    • TMan1969 says:

      After a bit of reflection, maybe MT benched PK because he was still seething after the scrum and penalty – kind of like the posts here after a bad game. Once he cooled down he returned to play, but I still can’t shake the thought that there is some confusion within the ranks – their energy and compete levels are low.

      Do not scorn a weak cub. He may become the brutal tiger.

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    • hbghab says:

      Petefleet. I think you’ve got those two quotes reversed! 🙂

  46. DipsyDoodler says:

    Advanced stats.

    During the Leafs’ hot start I read a piece at PPP showing that it wasn’t going to last. The Leafs’ possession numbers were poor and they were only winning due to luck and hot goalies. They were right.

    Then at the end of our insane winning streak back in Nov, an article on EOTP made a similar case: yes we were winning but the stats showed we were being seriously outplayed. They were also right.

  47. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning friends.

    I see some our referring to MT’s benching and non pulling of the goaltender as “lessons”.

    Isn’t it possible that the coach just had a hissy fit and there is NO lesson to be had?

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would tend to agree with that. he over reacted which also begs the question, should he be the head coach. He should be able to control himself and put the team first.


  48. DipsyDoodler says:

    Good old Pat Hickey, he’s right you know (also about Pat Lafontaine by the way). I dare say I am at the mildly uninformed rather than the plain stupid side of the spectrum.

    I know there are a few 100 people who go to the summit, and who seem sensible fans, but a half dozen or so posters are making all the noise recently, throwing out accusations like “moron” at Michel Therrien.

    Used to be only Timo was unhinged, like an unmanned fire hose spewing randomly in all directions, but now he seems almost avuncular compared to the others.

    My view is be happy when they win and make jokes when they lose. And always ridicule the Leafs.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Words to live by, indeed. One is a fan or one is not a fan, it’s not rocket science.

    • JUST ME says:

      That explains the disappearance of many faithfull from HIO . Freedom of speech is often mistaken by the right to write anything and spill your guts even though it has nothing to do with the reality.
      Look on how the Habs are generally doing and tell me that all the criticism is justified unless of course you thought that this team was Stanley cup bound.
      It actually did start with Timo that people find somehow «cute»…Nothing cute about being negative on purpose.
      But HIO brass wants it that way i guess. It sells ! Complain about everything, keep the language controversy alive and well ,be mostly pessimistic after every game even if the team won and the recipy is complete !

      At least the Leafs deserve to be criticized and ridiculed. I`ve always said that their fans even though annoying are the most faithfull fans on earth and deserved to be recognized as is , not like some so called connaisseurs…

  49. Lafleurguy says:

    Dishing it out is easy, taking criticism, not so much. Only seven of the forwards have appeal to other teams in a trade, and only two from the over thirty crowd.

    Habs had the most knowledgeable and classiest fans in the past, but maybe that was an illusion.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  50. Walmyr says:

    Hello everybody…

    Just checking if HIO is running ok. I just took a couple o minutes (maybe more…) to read some of the +1000 comments and…Hockey fans are intense and passionate, just like the game itself…

    These are the reasons why I decided to follow this sport.

    And got lucky to have chosen LE CLUB DU HOCKEY to cheer, despite never had the chance to watch the team winning a cup. Hell, I never had the chance to be in a game (Forum or Bell Centre).

    The Canadiens have a amazing history and, of course, the craziest fans of this sport. So +1000 comments after a loss like that is quite normal. As normal as the contents of those comments.

    At the end of the day I really enjoy to be a Habs fan!

    Again, sorry about my english…as always…


    BTW…any news regarding MT departure???…lol

  51. Danno says:

    What lesson will Therien have taught the team if the Habs miss the playoffs by one point because he decided to throw away any chance of winning Wednesday’s game?

    Team First has become Therien First.


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  52. The Jackal says:

    Our own JohnBellyful said it best in his post, there is plenty of room for all kinds of opinions, reasoned and wacky, on the Habs bandwagon.

    But, Hickey also nailed it when he said that, at least when it comes to comments about the coaching, the comments range from mildly uninformed to plain stupid. Luckily, there are not many of the latter kind, but they pop up more often than one would like. The thing is, there is always a band of highly spoken critics who have it out for the coach. They think someone out there can come in and automatically make the team 100% better. Then when the new coach comes in, these same critics shit on the new coach and call for his head, and so the cycle continues.

    People shouldn’t be muzzled and they can speak their minds if they want to vent their frustrations about MT, but the line is drawn when criticism becomes blind hatred. We seem to have a slew of posters who dislike MT so much, that they omit fact to make often specious points about how bad the coach is. It’s not true that a coaching change would improve the team, we don’t know that. The main problems are with the roster rather than the coaching. The fact is, the coaches have gotten a lot out of the roster than anyone expected, but for some reason this does not matter in their evaluation. Routine benchings are seen as problematic yet they don’t mention that coaches other than MT bench players for making bad decisions routinely. And then they have the audacity to pretend to know more than a beat reporter who actually has a rapport with the team and who has been following the team for years – you’d think they would respect the fact that Hickey actually has an inside track of what is going on in the room. But no, they just know that they are right, facts do not matter when you despise the coach. And if that’s how they will be, fine, but at least try to present a level point of view and maybe make some reasoned argument rather than come in and write in HALF CAPS ABOUT HOW MT SUCKS ASS AND SHOULD BE FIRED.

    Just sayin’.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Jackal, that’s a fair enough post but couldn’t the same be said for the folks who have a “blind” love for MT.

      Surely his decisions the other night at the very least contributed to the racious debate. Surely the press and fans will now be looking for the smallest little crack in the room, especially when it comes to PK.

      If anything, this coach just put a magnifying glass on this team and himself because of another one of his hissy fits.

    • Wintercount says:

      Mt has become a media star in Quebec and that has been his end game all along. He’s a lousy coach(moron), but knowing the shelf life of the job, esp in Mtl, he’s played his cards to perfection. Hello TVA.
      Altruism isn’t a word you’ll find in his dictionary.

  53. habcertain says:

    If Hickey believes that the Habs players didn’t deserve to win or agree with that logic from MT, then he doesn’t deserve to write about the Habs. I have never heard that professed in any sport.

    • MikeHabs says:

      I can’t stand Hickey ever since he said things about Theo Fleury and I believe Derek Boogaard. He may be nice to some but he made inappropriate comments regarding those two situations.

      Anyways, the problem with what MT did was he went into the third period believing his team wasn’t going to come back at all. He showed this by not only sitting Subban for half the period, someone who could change a game at any second and then not pulling Peter Budaj to try to spark something and get a goal. Whole bench looked at him! Ridiculous.

      The fact that Hickey agrees with this “logic” is brutal. No logic for MT besides the fact of satisfying his ego.


    Lets trade bourque back to calgary for giordano. I heard hes a warrior like georges but with lots more offensive talent.

  55. SlovakHab says:

    Carrying the puck in generates more than twice as many shots as dump-and-chase


    Yet, our genius coach will have our small and skilled team dump and chase.

    Hickey is wrong is he reckons this is a well-coached team, and he can spend as much time “in the room” as he wants.

    Gomez was good in the room too.

    However the numbers show you something different. We already handcuff ourselves by the French factor. At least we shouldn’t handcuff ourselves further by employing a coach that goes against the build of the team. Or a GM that has no idea what pieces to add to the puzzle.

    I’m not saying I know everything. However evidence shows that we are headed in the wrong direction.

    • The Jackal says:

      You’re conveniently omitting the fact that carrying the puck also tends to be riskier than dumping it in and that there are limitations to the effectiveness of carrying the puck in, one of those being the kind of players a team has. Who do we have who can actually carry the puck and create offense? Just a couple of guys. The Habs are missing key pieces up front if they want to play a strong possession game. It’s so easy to sit on your couch and cuss at MT while you make crazy trades and line combos on NHL 14, but in real life, you don’t just read an article on gaining the zone then proceed immediately to lambasting the coach for not playing that game. You need to examine the roster we have and realize that this team is mediocre up front and it is not built to play that kind of game you think is so easy to just coach.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • twilighthours says:

        Every top-9 player in the NHL is capable of carrying the puck and generate offense if the conditions are right. A good coach will figure out a way to create these conditions for his players.

    • twilighthours says:

      Dude that article is long so I ain’t reading it at 530 am with my son crawling all over me, but is this news? Every team wants to carry the puck in. Teams only dump when they are forced to dump, or don’t want to risk a turnover at the blue line. Carrying the puck is done when it is safer to do so or when it’s an odd man rush. Of course those situations are going to create more offence. The thing to ask from all of this is “how do we create scenarios for our team such that they can carry more and dump less?” Analytics isn’t so good at answering those types of questions.

  56. montreal ace says:

    What a great piece by Pat Hickey, he knows his hockey. I have to chuckle a little as he is going against popular opinion here.

  57. Denjen says:

    You migh also like………..9 misconceptions about feminine lesbians?

  58. montreal ace says:

    I notice some support for Boucher to replace MB as coach. This would be the same Boucher, who was given the opportunity to coach the Dogs, with maybe a chance to become head coach of the big club. Now how did the coach who was given this opportunity, pay the Canadiens back, he bolted for TB at his first chance. When he left he also took people he worked with, and players he had knowledge about. I don’t think a SOB like that should work for the Canadiens again.

    • CH Marshall says:

      Let’s say at your job you are given the opportunity to get a significant promotion with pay hike, plus your wife would rather live in Florida Vs Hamilton. I’d take that promotion thank you!

      • MikeHabs says:

        He managed the Bulldogs to their best season and worked with four of our current NHLers. He also would let Subban be Subban.

        In tampa, he had to work with a team that lacked a strong defensive game so they had to play a certain style so they wouldn’t get lit up. then he was left with no starting goalie (thanks stevie).

        i want him in MTL asap.

  59. Denjen says:

    I was hard at work today in a house facing a wall when I guy walks in and says” old woman”. I turn around and say” man”! He’s said “what”? I said “I’ m a man, you called me an old woman”?!? He says ” sorry, who bought this house”? I said ” I m 34″. He says “what”? I said ” I m 34, you called my old, I m 34″?!? He responds ” oh sorry”. Then I turned around and started working again .

    Leafs suck again–our boys will win Sat mark my words ! In fact engrave them on the floor in your homes, but, DO NOT STEP on them. Way to much scotch for me boys.

  60. usaref says:

    Watching San Jose and Detroit damn the west division is STRONG

  61. Timo says:

    What did I miss, what did I miss?!

  62. CH Marshall says:

    just barely made it through Hickey’s piece.. You know, if HIO generates any revenue, then I think really everyone can share their opinion here.

    Almost as bad as his Theo Fleury piece.

  63. Sportfan says:

    Anyone remember when Steve Simmons said earlier in the year “where are the Nonis Critics now?” well people have been taunting him about that now 😛

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    • Habilis says:

      Saw that, laughed. Simmons deserves it, IMO.

      I follow him on twitter and read some of his stuff. He’s a decent writer, but he’s just too much of a cheerleader. Back when the Loafs were overachieving, he wrote that quote you mentioned. He even went as far as to make fun of “stat nerds” by saying something about the Leafs not playing in the “Corsi Hockey League”. Those same stat nerds were predicting disaster for this Leafs team… Funny how that turned out.

      And now that the Leafs are off the cliff, he’s trashing them with everyone else and has moved on to being a Raptors fan. Cheerleader.

  64. Mattyleg says:

    Post 1,000!

    An ‘M’ for Mattyleg.

    …and with that… to bed, to bed…
    See you in the morning, fellow inmates.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  65. habstrinifan says:

    STOP! STOP! Before you write another word… read the ecumenism provided us by the two brilliant posts below.


    JohnBellyfulJANUARY 9, 2014 AT 9:20 PM:
    on the light. That’s when she slipped off her jersey and tossed a come-hither look my way. I couldn’t refuse so I went thither.
    But I digress.
    Once again, HIO is a divided community. The fidelity of many posters is being called into question by defenders of the faith (that manager and coach know what they’re doing).
    I don’t understand why there is this constant to and fro.
    There is plenty of room on the Canadiens bandwagon for instruments and tunes of all kinds.
    Ya got your brass – trumpets, tuba, French horn, of course, and slide trombones. Ya got your woodwinds – saxophones, flutes, piccolos and clarinets. And ya got your strings – violins, cello, guitars, mandolin and zither.
    Throw in some drums and a keyboard, and viola! I mean, voila! We got ourselves a bandwagon!
    Now, not everyone’s playing the same tune at the same time, and not everyone’s in key, but it’s one bandwagon all the same, say what you will and berate if you must.
    Just remember, however, on those rare occasions when everyone’s reading from the same page (of music), what a grand thing it is to hear.
    Not every song needs be a stirring anthem, a rousing march, a classical tour-de-force. A bandwagon – a good bandwagon – has a repertoire that includes songs of protest and anger and sorrow. Blues and ballads and raps.
    So, sure, HIO can be cacophony one day, a symphony next.
    But seldom is it ever phony.
    The emotions are raw and for real.
    Now if you prefer your bandwagon to be in harmony day in, day in – no discord – well, here’s what it would look like.
    Not bad, not bad at all.
    But it probably wouldn’t last for very long

    24 CupsJANUARY 9, 2014 AT 9:28 PM:
    What a great way to summarize the madness of the day.

    Brilliant, as usual.

    Carry on.. I bet you are smiling though!

  66. CH Marshall says:

    Please Nonis, do not fire Carlyle. Please don’t even think about it.

    And Guy Boucher, time to take PK out for some brews!

  67. Sportfan says:

    My friend is a super nerd in stats and told me through advanced stats LOL That the Maple Leafs in 38 games have only won 3 games in regulation O,o.

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  68. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Hickey says Therrien was doing his job benching Subban. Yes he was doing his job…badly. What did that benching do other than reduce the chances of winning the game…nothing. What did he improve by showing up the players by leaving Budaj out there…nothing.

    His number one job is to try to win hockey games. He picked the wrong time to send a message to PK. Sending a message to one player when the whole team sucked wasn’t productive. The penalty happened at the end of a period, not the middle. MT could have blasted him during the intermission and composed himself. Instead he has to show the world he was pissed-off. Instead of focusing on trying to win the game, he just stood there stewing for the whole 3rd period. In the real world, managers that act like that don’t last very long.

    I thought he really changed his tone from the start of the season. He could have easily snapped during the break; especially after that horrendous 3rd period against Carolina. He picked last night to snap??? His message and tone are just not consistent. He’s fortunate the Habs are where they are now…or this could have really blown up in his face.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I don’t think he snapped.
      And he wasn’t sending a message to PK, it was to the whole team.

      It was the perfect time to do it; there was no risk of us even coming close to winning that game.

      It succeeded on many levels, just not on the ‘please all the fans’ level, which is very, very low on the priority chart.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        “It succeeded on many levels”…no it didn’t, they lost. Do you really believe it had an impact on the players positively? C’mon…these guys are professionals making millions of dollars. This stuff does not work anymore especially when it is done inconsistently (the Carolina game was much worse).

        MT was cleary and visibly upset (seething). Also, he was sending a message to PK. The message he sent to the team was when he refused to pull Budaj. All the fans want to see is a guy trying to win…he wasn’t trying to win.

        BTW that was the first time I have ever seen PK get a scrum-type penalty. That was not the first time I have seen DD not cover his man in front for a goal. DD has made that mistake multiple times. When is MT going to get mad at him? Yeah right…

    • adadi says:

      Time for Hickey to hang up his pen. The reporter pool following the Habs is completely gutless and never asks a tough question so as to not lose their hotdog privileges. Only Jessica has balls.

  69. Sportfan says:

    LOL I think WordPress is broken according to it, its Friday already lol

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  70. scotland says:


    google this for outrageously stupid “Pittsburg Penguins coach Michelle Therriens rants about his team”

    or game 4 montreal vs carlina 03…”therrien and referee fraser”

    or this (peewee) laugher therrien 013: “de captain was crying in my arms when he found out his play off was over”

  71. sheds88 says:

    man, the flames are a bad hockey team….i would love to pick up hudler. work ethic like no other

  72. scotland says:

    funny listening to Pat Hickey defend Therrien ( his entire long winded praising of the coach is what one would expect ….from Therriens mother that is.

    Hickey: “Therrien has benched other players for stupid penalties”

    It how selective he is with that “tool” that the back lash is about Pat. When have Gionta, Pleks, Patches, Gorges, Moen, Gallagher, ….ever been benched for dumb penalties. Dare anyone to challenge that statement. Gionta has never been benched, removed from pp, pk or reg shift and we all know he has mailed in a ton of shifts.

    “where did you (“stupid fans”) expect the habs to be in the standings when the season started?
    I’ll answer that: battling with all the other mediocre teams in the east, behind boston and pittsburg…right where they are. and ven if hickey thinks the habs standing in the east.

    if the habs are considered to be over achieving in the standings…….credit carey price for that. only a “stupid” reporter or therriens mother (understandably) would imply that the coach is responsible for the mild success that the standings would appear to suggest. Even the casual observer can see this much to be true credit the habs place in the standings to price AND…. the islanders taking an unexpected a dive after looking so good last years play off. Add that the leafs stink, carolina same, sens off to a surprisingly horrible start (but would still wipe up therriens habs in a play offs series…again.) yay therrien has the team ahead of those struggling clubs as the likes of florida, buffalo and the sinking caps.

    Pat we know you have to get into the dressing room ….but come on.

    Therriens mom will love ya.

    the east is very very weak and the only reason the habs sit in a play off spot. seem to remember the same thing last season……..till the forty game mark…….then therriens habs went what 2-13 getting slaughtered by the “mighty” sens.

    why should we be surprised where the habs sit in the standings pat hickey? …..the same team sat even higher last season. and we all know how that turned out.

    • joeybarrie says:

      The only backlash is that everyone is making a big deal cause its PK SUBBAN.
      He is our current hero excluding Price.

      People need to relax.

      We always freak out over these things that in retrospect are nothing.

      there will be no permanent anything with this current stupidity.
      you’ll see

    • Marc10 says:

      That should tell you everything you need to know about MT. Hickey is a smart guy who knows the room better than you or I do.

      If Hickey thinks it’s the right thing do to (and although I am usually pro Therrien, I would tend to disagree in this instance), then I’ll have to trust that Pat knows what’s going on.

      Either way this is a bubble team. We need to make the playoffs. Let’s see if MT’s decision spurs the team into not being embarrassed by Chicago and back onto the right path towards a playoff birth.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I agree with Pat.

      And as for your comment, Gionta, Pleks, Patches, Gorges, Moen, Gallagher have never taken such stupid penalties, so there’s no need to bench them for that.

      Eller, Chucky, Briere, White, etc. have all been benched for bad penalties.

      As for mailing it in, Briere has been benched and scratched, Bourque the same, DD the same, Emelin the same…

      But get angry at MT, because that’s all you seem to know how to do.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • SlovakHab says:

        ya, Gallagher never took 4 minors in 1 game and still ended up with top-6 icetime.

        ah wait….

        • Mattyleg says:

          It’s not just taking penalties that’s the problem.
          It’s the kind of penalties.
          Gally gets penalties for being in the goalie’s face and getting under the skin of opposition players. That’s his job and he treads a fine line.

          Subban took a cheap shot after a scrum with his team struggling to create offense. Very different scenario.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • SlovakHab says:

            Okay, I’ll bite.
            Gally’s penalties were high-sticking, 2x tripping and 1x goalie interference penalty. So no, you are wrong on 3 out of 4 times.

            Secondly, it’s Therrien handcuffing the team to create offense by benching Subban.

            Can’t agree with you at all, and to be honest this team’s play proves those that think MT is no good, right.

    • PrimeTime says:

      So we can mark you down in the “outrageously stupid” category? No surprise!

  73. PrimeTime says:

    “Fans are entitled to express their opinion, but most of the comments on talk radio and on The Gazette’s Hockey Inside/Out website ranged from the mildly uninformed to the outrageously stupid.” -Pat Hickey, Montreal Gazette.

    This should be headlined everyday!!!! love it.

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