Habs get day off Sunday to lick their wounds

The Canadiens were given the day off Sunday to lick their wounds following Saturday’s embarrassing 5-0 loss to the Washington Capitals at the Bell Centre.

It was the fourth straight loss for the Canadiens, who have only four wins in their last 13 games (4-7-2), and they have fallen to fourth place in the Atlantic Division, one point behind the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Canadiens have now given up four or more goals in six straight games. The Canadiens pulled goaltender Carey Price just past the halfway point of the second period Saturday with the Capitals holding a 4-0 lead. It marked the second time in three games that Price has been pulled and the goaltender now ranks 13th in the NHL in save percentage (.918) and 19th in goals-against average (2.50) with a 22-16-4 record.

The Capitals snapped a seven-game losing streak with the one-sided victory.

The Habs will practise at 11 a.m. Monday in Brossard as they begin preparations for Tuesday’s game against the Carolina Hurricanes at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., RDS, TSN Radio 690). The Canadiens will then travel to Boston to face the Bruins Thursday night and then play back-to-back Super Bowl weekend afternoon games at the Bell Centre against the Tampa Bay Lightning on Saturday and the Winnipeg Jets on Sunday. Both of those games are 1 p.m. starts.

There was a team meeting held after Saturday’s loss and coach Michel Therrien confirmed it was management’s decision to have all the players available to the media after the game.

There’s “nothing good to take from that game,” Therrien told reporters.

“We’ve got to move on. We’re facing adversity and we all know it,” the coach added, noting all teams face it, as do players through the course of their careers. “It’s how we’re going to react facing adversity.”

Said captain Brian Gionta: “Obviously, we’re not playing good hockey and we need to find a way to turn things around.

“We had three shots through almost the whole second period. Forty minutes of play, we have three shots. We’re off our game. We’ve got to find a way to keep supporting each other and find a way out of this.”

(Photo by Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press) 

Habs come up empty against Caps, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

In the Habs’ Room, by Brenda Branswell

Habs are playing like alien zombies, by Jack Todd for The Gazette

The heat is on after Habs’ worst game of season, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

No shortage of resolve, Therrien says, Canadiens.com

Capital punishment, TSN.ca

Caps blank Habs, washingtoncapitals.com

Ovechkin, Capitals snap slide, Washington Post

Ovechkin the magnificent magician, The Hockey News

799 Comments

  1. EricInStL says:

    MB has to try trading Markov to a western team that is in the hunt and has an extra centerman to get rid of in order to make the playoffs, a now time instead of a wait till next year type of team, like Montreal.

    Teams like….
    Vancouver = Hunter Shinkaruk
    Minnesota = Zack Phillips ?
    Phoenix = Henrik Samuelsson ?

    Com’on MB let’s be creative out there…..

    • Sportfan says:

      Can’t see the Canucks giving up Shinkaruk

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      • EricInStL says:

        I’m pretty sure MB knows all those players but if the situation is right (injury) it can be done.

        The only reason would be that Shinkaruk would not be able to crack the lineup for the next 2 or 3 years, again it depends on how bad they want to win. An offensive D man like Markov might be what they need to go over the bump….

    • durocher says:

      I like the idea of trading Markov to Minnesota for Zack Phillips — maybe we can get Scandella too

    • third generation haber says:

    • Habfan17 says:

      If the Habs trade Markov for a centreman, they would then have to trade at least one, if not two of the current centremen. I would rather they trade him for a 2nd line left wing or extra draft picks.

      Perhaps to L.A. for Tanner Pearson or Kyle Clifford and a first round pick. It would depend on how close the Kings think they are to making a run this season of course.

      If they did get Clifford, they could move Moen for a pick to the Sharks. I read they are looking for play off depth and they know Moen.

      Habfan17

  2. adadi says:

    MB’s next move will make or break him. He’s got a couple of strikes against him already so he has no room to manoevre. I don’t want to hear about rebuilding through drafts and time for patience. There is precious little in the stable right now and his moves have done nothing to improve that situation. The “patience” discourse is usually GMs trying to get ahead of their incompetence.

    • Habilis says:

      The more I think about it, the more I think that maybe Bergevin’s plan all along was for the team to suck this season and last. This is exactly what he wants, albeit a little late.

      Last season was an anomaly, and one I’m sure he could have done without, as it derailed his plan to draft high for 2 or 3 years in a row. So he spent the off-season quietly but decisively making the club worse at the NHL level. Everything he did has made us a little bit worse, but not long-term.

      If you look back at his off-season moves (Drewiske and Bouillon’s re-ups, Murray, Briere) in that light, they all suddenly make sense. As does his decision to leave MT behind the wheel as the bus plunges over the cliff.

      Think about it.

      • adadi says:

        By that logic MB will have to tank the Habs 5 years in a row. No way Molson can take the pressure that that kind of move would bring. Plus he would start to lose the base in a significant way.

        • Habilis says:

          Obviously what I posted was insane. I’ve had too many beers and I’m sick of MB doing nothing, so I made up a scenario where his inaction makes sense to my alcohol fueled brain.

          I agree with you, Molson would never buy into a plan that had us tanking for 5 years. That’s why I suggested that MB’s original plan was to suck for 2-3 years. Not 5. We’re already in year 2 of said plan and he got jobbed on his pick in year 1. So really it’s only this year and next. After next season is the Connor McDavid draft, btw.

          And if you think about it that way, it makes even more sense: MB wanted to suck until 2015 and take a shot at getting McDavid, who will probably be the most NHL ready player when he’s drafted since Crosby. Boom, instant franchise turnaround.

          I just blew my own mind.

          Doesn’t take much.

          Cheers.

          • adadi says:

            Man I wish I was drinking your poison. But I’m all in on that scenario.

          • CH Marshall says:

            LOL guy why do you think I come on here in the early hours in the morning to gripe?

          • boing007 says:

            What are the odds of the Habs drafting Connor McDavid? Almost nil, I should think. Pie in the sky. Not fair to the team as a whole.

            Richard R

  3. Macnab says:

    This is the worse habs team I have ever watched for over 50 years. I am truly hoping that the 9 players that are leaving from the habs for the Olympics get better coaching from their countries coaches. I hope Subban gets an attitude adjustment from Babcock, Subban has personnely lost 4 games for habs by taking stupid penalties in the last two minutes of tied games and in OT, Price, sorry lad, if you play for Canada, there is no hope of a medal, you have lost your confidience and has let let your team down. i predicted, like I do every year, this team has no stars and come the yearly December slump, there will be no getting out of it.

  4. Marc10 says:

    Hockey these days is all about the North South game. There are so many big, fast and fit guys skating up and down the ice, it takes a special player to make it if they’re not particularly big or fast.

    In that context, I’d say long term success in coaching has more to do with who the GM puts on the ice vs what the coach does to keep the lads motivated. If you have the horses to perform like the Sharks or LA, you’re going to succeed even if you’re coached by a Sutter…

    Teams are on going to play one way (to a large degree) in this League. The big question is: are they built for it? Right now, we’re not… and the ‘evolution’ of the game back to a higher tolerance for clutching and grabbing coupled with high speed back pressure, pretty much ensures our small guys and aging Dmen are going to get smoked.

    IMO, the only way this team can hope to compete is to play an air tight 5 man defensive minded unit in front of the world’s best goalie and hope this leads to turn overs and power plays. That requires no passengers and a 60 effort. Good luck selling that long term. No coach could do it.

    So let’s all take a deep breath. This latest debacle might actually get the guys to knuckle down and focus… and to stop playing ‘like an ill-disciplined’ junior team’ (looking at you Lars Eller). When they do that, they’ll win again.

    Until we get the right team on the ice, let’s cut the coaches some slack. We’re not there yet and there’s a lot of work to do.

  5. Plekasuares says:

    Someone mentioned below. Trade Markov, get something. Send markov to a cup contender and we will see markov back with the team next year. He wants to sign with the Canadiens

    • third generation haber says:

      I’ve been campaigning for Markov’s trade for months now. To re-sign him now, we’d have to at least match his current salary; pay-cuts are only possible after July 1.

      He’s not worth it!!!! And we’re not contenders, not this year or next year. This is a hockey team, not a retirement home.

      j.p. murray

    • EricInStL says:

      Yup use him as a rental to another team, tell him win the cup elsewhere then come back to finish your career here. At least help out to make your last 2 or 3 years better.

  6. third generation haber says:

    My daily rant: (I wish I could drill into MB’s head)

    We are NOT a cup-contender, so coaching changes, trading scraps, and line combos won’t matter (unless u are content to compete for 8th place forever).

    We need to trade Markov! He is 35 and will be a useless 38 year old by the time we are (potentially) a contender. He’s already weak defensively and is soft as a Diaz. Plus, he’s the only expendable player we have who has (significant) value to other teams. I would hope we could get a strong offensive prospect from the 2011 draft in return.

    Does this mean tank??? Yes! Which we appear to be doing with Markov’s help. Tanking is an essential part of winning a cup.

    Need proof?

    Recent cup winners, minus the Detroit anomaly, and their tank seasons (by conference placing):

    2007- Anaheim: 2001(15th), 2002(13th), 2004(12th)
    2009- Pittsburgh: 2002(12th), 2003(14th), 2004(15th), 2006(15th)
    2010 & 2013: Chicago: 2001(12th), 2003(9th), 2004(15th),
    2006(14th), 2007(13th), 2008(10th)
    2011: Boston: 2001(10th), 2006(13th), 2007(13th)
    2012: L.A.: 2003(10th), 2004(11th), 2006(14th), 2007(13th),
    2008(10th)

    *Chicago missed the playoffs 6 times in a decade!!!
    Reward= 2 cups!!!

    Re-signing Markov to a multi-year deal will ensure less cap-space, more mediocre results, and no prospect coming in return for a player who still has trade value.

    Stop with the 20 straight years of patchwork, desperation moves to claw and fight our way into 8th place and commit 100% to a rebuild! We already have a nice core of talent (Aged 18-26) to build on. And, we could add toughness through the UFA market.

    I would much rather watch a group of youngsters struggling to find their way next year (like last season) than a repeat of our vets hopelessly battling for 8th.

    Isn’t winning a cup someday supposed to be the goal??? If we “stay the course” it will NOT happen and 1993 will start to sound like 1967.

    j.p. murray

    • ProHabs says:

      I guess you could call Chicago and trade Markov for Mark McNeill and Kyle Beach or Phillip Danault and Kyle Beach.

      • third generation haber says:

        If we shopped him actively, especially before the deadline, a bunch of contenders could bid to have their PP bolstered for the playoffs. We should, as you suggested, seek a young offensive prospect in return, preferably above 5-10.

        j.p. murray

    • EricInStL says:

      I laugh when I hear that sports fans would not tolerate tanking. The modern sports fan knows that tanking works, look at hockey, the NBA, football, heck any sports league where drafting is the cornerstone of team building.

      Now Montreal cannot compete with the LAs NYs and big US cities of this world. We lose on the following : weather, taxes, language and a fanatical media in 2 languages….

      The only thing Montreal has for it is…… well nothing anymore. So you have to tank to pick. Heck Chicago was a hell on earth for a hockey player. Now players kill to go over there. Same with Boston, nobody wanted to play for the ownership let alone Sinden.

      So you either trade your best player for a bounty of picks (Boston with Kessel, Dallas with Walker, etc) or you stay a middle of the road team, hoping you get lightning in a bottle once in a while.

      • Welks says:

        Tanking will only work if there is a front office capable of building a team with those picks. For the Chicago and Pittsburghs that won with some high picks years in a row you have an Edmonton or NY Islanders who are still terrible. Its great to have stars but without the complementary pieces you still will not win. Right now the habs have good young players developing, but very little to complement that.

  7. daveho29 says:

    So what happened to the team that beat the Blackhawks 2-1 in ot. Best game of hockey I have seen all year.
    Obviously they are capable of playing like that with the speed and skill the they have. WFT is the problem?

    • ProHabs says:

      That team has self destructed.

    • third generation haber says:

      They are capable of playing some games like that, but over the course of a season, or a playoff series, they are nowhere close to being able to sustain that. We are an average hockey team at best that needs everything to go right and great goal-tending to have a chance in hell of winning.

      Undersized forwards, constantly playing on the perimeter; therefore, we can’t score. Under-sized defense; therefore, we can’t box players out or even slow them down because they have no fear of crossing our blue line at full speed.

      It’s mid-season, and our little team has lost the energy needed to out-run every on-coming hit, so we’re collapsing like we did this time last year. What your seeing these days is not an anomaly, it’s reality.

      j.p. murray

  8. fastfreddy says:

    I don’t think MB is going to do anything big. Not this season, maybe at the end of the year. Small trades maybe…..(Diaz, Bourque………) re-evaluate the team and coaches at seasons’ end. Me, I’d go for a coaching change.
    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  9. habstrinifan says:

    Many posters here denigrate the quality of our players as being second rate, average and untradable… and look forward to when the HABS have better than average players. All the while expressing support for the just above average record of an average coach.

  10. Sportfan says:

    We can do every scenario we can think of but I doubt Markov will get traded. MT could get fired, Bourque and Diaz could be gone.

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  11. WAR72 says:

    This would be nice…
    Trade markov gionta and gorges to LA for muzzin and toffoli.
    Sign callahan in off season. Go for vanek or molsoun too…
    Buy out bourque/briere, or trade/waive etc.
    Bouillon, murray, diaz- bye bye.
    Beaulieu, tinordi, other- hello
    New coach
    Do habs front office have the minerals to go for something?
    Is all this even possible in the next six months?

  12. habstrinifan says:

    Like the discussion between ErisStLouis and Slovakhab, and others, re the stats sites.

    I understand the mockery of some posters towards these stats.

    But in hockey, a coach; a GM; an organization has a defined set of resources and must work with defined rules when seeking to acquire new assets or exchange yours for more suitable ones. Add to that the subjective nature of evaluating those assets.

    Wouldnt you explore every method you can to properly appraise what you have and what you are doing with what you have.

    If coaches and GM’s like MT and MB are so ‘old school’ or imperious enough not to admit the possibility of error, even while the team is sinking, then they deserve to be fired.

    Cliches wont work. Meticulous goal setting based on statistical evidence might. It would at least give every player a defined set of expectations and solid attainable goals.

    And it might save your job.

    • CH Marshall says:

      I understand this, but I personally believe that regardless of production or rank of the players, they have to want to go to war for you and each other. In other words, an emotional thing. For some reason, there’s a disconnect in the room right now. I’m sure it’s a tough job to be coach. To try and motivate players for 82 games and practices? At the nhl level? You gotta have general material. I’m all for Boucher, but that Cooper guy must be some leader. Bolts are buying in. Actually, despite the lack of size, I think this team has a f’n dark horse element about it. Anyways, I’ve decided that I’m just gonna take it easy and accept the rest if the season. Win or lose. Stressing about MT is giving me the sh*T’s.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I would be satisfied if tomorrow I hear Mt and MB stand up and talk straight hockey. Goals/shots/passes etc. I am fed up with the platitudes.. ‘resolve’; ‘charcater’; etc etc.

        Take our little Gallagher here. Since MB and MT have focused him on being the ‘character’ guy, he busts his arse without the same productivity. I want concentration on that productivity…solid methods to get it… rather than platitudes about human nature.

        Not one freakin member of the Canadiens management staff is an expert in human nature… particularly MT.

    • EricInStL says:

      Here you go, reading material and then some…

      http://www.sloansportsconference.com/?p=11728

    • SteverenO says:

      @HABSTRIfAN

      Great Post!

      Lots of people here always say “small sample size” or some other cliche as if that someone diminishes the value of a player’s historical performance record. Of course there will be ups and downs, hot streaks and slumps, etc. but one thing that is absolutely certain is that the coaches sample size is almost always as small , or even significantly smaller than the analysts.

      I can never understand how many people believe that any human mind come anywhere close to accurately evaluating each player’s relative productivity on offense, and efficiency on defense as someone (or a computer program) that analyzes the actual performance metrics that the players have accumulated over the season, or career.

      Where can I find the discussion about the stats sites you are referring to?

      regards,

      Steve O.

  13. Plekasuares says:

    Eberle!!! I want Eberle!! C’mon steal one of Lowe! No Yakupov please

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  15. commandant says:

    Nygren’s interview is a joke. He makes Hamilton sound like the worst of the worst cities on earth…

    33.5% unemployment? Nope sorry Magnus… its actually 6.8% for Hamilton.

    People shooting each other and murders over $100? Most Criminal City in Canada??

    Yes, Hamilton has crime… just like any city in North America. However for the year 2013 the grand total of Homicides in the City was 11. Less than 1 per month. Not exactly close to being amongst the worst cities in the country (even measured on a per capita basis) never mind the fact he made it sound like the worst ghettos in the US.

    Given his terrible misstatements of facts here, why should we believe anything he says in the interview about what happens behind closed doors for the Bulldogs?

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    • Sportfan says:

      He seems a bit confused about the whole situation, I mean how the heck will he deal with Montreal and its issues. He might have a heart attacked in the states.

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    • bwoar says:

      Like I said before: not tough enou for the Hammer, not tough enough for the Habs.

      I do believe his statements regarding the off-ice focus, or lack of. LOTS of youngsters there, few vets and no one I’d call a good wrangler for all that, er, youthful enthusiasm. Weren’t there supposed to be coaches to handle that? Anyhow, the guy comes from a serious pro league in a country that’s as safe as houses. Of course Hamilton seems rough and of course the team feels loosely run.

      All that said, refer to my first statement and let’s let these cream puffs enjoy their careers covered in advertising on ice, far away from Montreal.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      I agree that the translated version of his stats seemed absurd, and that it is unlikely Hamilton is a much more dangerous than any city in Sweden. It is still interesting in that this is not a teenager (23) speaking, but someone who has traveled the world playing hockey tournaments. One would think that he might be able to more readily shoulder the responsibility of living on his own and not being easily intimidated by a slightly different culture.

      Could be just back-side covering on his part as he may have thought it was a quicker path to the show, only to find AHL $$ the reality, but that is just speculation on my part. Either way, it is a loss for the Habs.

    • rhino514 says:

      The European Welfare State.
      To a Swede, a north american city, even a Canadian one, seems full of extremes and inequality. It does tend to make one rather soft in dealing with everyday, moderate hardships, though.

  16. Sportfan says:

    How many moves will MB make until the real trade deadline? 1, 2, 3, or none?

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  17. commandant says:

    I wasn’t on the fire Therrien train before last night, but being at the game, I’m convinced he has to go.

    The team (with just a few exceptions) looks like they have tuned him out and are disinterested in playing for the guy.

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    • Sportfan says:

      Sorry money had to be wasted on that game Ben, hopefully next time its better!

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    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Agreed that Hab players may be tuning him out – but should the dismissal ocur right away or at the end of season? Who would agree to be brought in mid-season that may be nothing more than a stop-gap? If we are thinking about promoting up, then I would suggest Lefebvre is not yet ready for the task, albeit the Dogs are slowly improving.

  18. jimmy shaker says:

    Can you imagine the oilers in the 80′s what there team salary would be compared to today’s players deals. They would probably shatter the record if there is one….

    Gretzky: 9.9 mill/per
    Messier: 8.5 mill/per
    Kurri: 7.5 mill/per
    Anderson: 6mill/per
    Coffey: 8 mill/per
    lowe: 5 mill per
    tikkanen: 4.5 mill/per
    Fuhr: 5 mill/per
    Samenko: 6 mill/per….i joke…..1 mill/per
    huddy: 3 mill/per
    beukaboom/smith: 2 mill/per
    mcsorely: 3mill/per
    mctavish:2mill/per

    plus all the rookies and lesser know players….that is a massive projected payroll.

    Shaker out! Patiently waiting for the suckitude to subside for 21 plus years!

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    Lemieux- Yeah Sid
    Crosby- he wants me to blocks shots and be more defensive, he’s got to go.
    Lemieux-Ok Sid
    Lemieux-Hey Michel got a minute

    2014
    PK-Hey Marc got a minute
    Bergevin- yeah PK
    The END

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  20. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    Regarding Magnus Nygren’s recent interview snippets below, appears he has little interest in returning to North America, and certainly not to Hamilton. I have lived over half my years in Canadian cities (Charlottetown, Vancouver), and considered them very safe, relative to some cities I have worked or visited in the USA. I must admit that I have never yet had reason to visit Hamilton, other than it would be great to see the Bulldogs in action. Is Hamilton really a crime-ridden city, or are the Habs putting these players up in the worst possible part of town? Although things may be lost in translation, he certainly seems sincere, and if so, we may be losing a decent D prospect. Any input from HIO fans in Hamilton?

    Should I interpret what you still think it was a good decision to leave Canada and Montreal’s organization to get home to Karlstad and Färjestad?
    Magnus Nygren: “Yes, great! It was the best thing I have done! ”

    You repent that you went over?
    “No, absolutely not! It was probably three of the most instructive months I had in my life! As I have said before, and I stand by it! It’s not every morning you wake up with shattered glass on the car and gets quite aggressive, personal threats made against you. I lived in Canada’s most criminal city as it was, and still try to keep the focus on you actually are here to play hockey! It’s not just a f*^&% test on whether you can survive the day, as well! ” “No, it is live 600 000 people in Hamilton and unemployment is at 33 5. They shoot people for $ 100! As for the fans, so we had not so many. We had a hall which took 19 000 and the cut of the matches was the 13th, and the gang was nothing to worry about. ”

    Hockey over there then, how it differs from it here at home? More emphasis on attack than defense?
    “Honestly, it was not focused on anything really in Hamilton. It’s more focused on what’s going on off the ice. The guys who are thinking more of the singles to be dating after the match. I can not even go into it, but the focus is clearly on the wrong things! ”

    How is it for you next year? You still belongs to Montreal, but is loaned to Färjestad this season. Have you talked something about next year, and as regards the terms of the contract?
    “The discussion is well-half running, but I do not know at all how it gets. I don’t know how much I have to say, but it can probably be so they can force me to go back. It is, after all, I have chosen to write on that contract. Then take I that they may not want a player who definitely does not want to be there. ”

    http://www.habsfuture.com/2014/01/in-hamilton-focus-is-clearly-on-wrong.html

  21. montreal ace says:

    The Canadiens have money which is their biggest asset right now, lets take the gloves off and start bidding on restricted free agents. I can’t for the life of me, understand why this is not being done. We will lose players, but guaranteed we will win that fight. The only other way to improve the team is through the draft, where time and patience will be needed and no guaranties there will be success.

    • EricInStL says:

      The Habs are ALL about the image, so bidding for RFAs is a no-no….Geoff would get yelled at by the big boys during the owners meetings.

      • montreal ace says:

        Geoff will never be part of the new NHL power club. The NHL run as a not for profit, no taxes, is slowly sucking the revelance out of any concerns Canadian hockey teams have. It is incredible that and fan under 20 in Canada, hoist the Cup.

  22. frontenac1 says:

    I’m neck deep in the Dark Side amigos. Crazy drugs, booze, electronic music. I’m keeping the Beasts at bay. Saludos!

  23. EricInStL says:

    This team has no offensive imagination. Figured they would struggle to make the playoffs and that’s what’s happening. Until an offensive gem is either drafted or traded for this team will stay near or below .500.

    At one point if this team does not improve, a major move will have to be done where the team will have to trade big. Meaning either Price or PK will have to be sacrificed in order to move ahead. Drafting 15th will not do it.

    • doug19 says:

      Yes your bang on they do not seem creative. They have a chance to watch scorers on other teams while parked on the bench or in the penalty box. They seem to fool around with the puck way to long rather than getting a quick shot off. I notice Paul Maurice asked his players to shoot while in stride. It seems to be working.

    • Welks says:

      0 Puck possession leads to no offensive imagination. The Thierrien style is to just get rid of the puck and not try to score.

  24. Say Ash says:

    7:33PM EST Update, please:

    Who’s our coach?

  25. mksness says:

    the off season will bring changes with players. I think what people need to look at, at least from a GM perspective is when to trade a player versus when to keep them. trimming the fat or shipping off your garbage is rather easy. the trickier part is moving players you like to fill a role at another position. We “seem” to have prospects that have some value in the defensive aspect of the farm team. you want offence, you’ll have to move one of them. Trading a draft pic is not a bad thing if you get an nhl player who spends 4-5 years on your team.

    this patience thing is wearing low. habs have made some horrible moves in the past that set them back 4-5 years.

    if there are players that don’t fit the system or you don’t think you can win with, you move them regardless of how good they are on the stat sheet… will anything happen? i doubt it, atleast not before the trade deadline as there are too many teams still in the hunt.

  26. wjc says:

    The HIO argued long into the night. Many answers to many questions and many question to many answers.

    Off with the coach’s head, tar and feather the general manager.

    Go after better players, but who? To this there are many answers.

    How to get them? Other teams must want the players you do not want, is that not logical, to many yes! Get size, skill, scoring….now do it.

    To late to tank, cannot finish low enough to make it worth while. To late to finish high enough, probably be beaten badly in the first round.

    HOLY COW! Winnipeg was winning 4-1 and almost lost in overtime, has Maurice lost the team already…..stay tuned, the next 20 games will tell the tale.

    Be patient, ride out the bumps or tear it down, start again, keep building, it is so obvious……right?

    wjc

  27. mksness says:

    we should fire the goalie coach

    • Denjen says:

      Correction Slovak hab-LA is very much a dump and chase team as opposed to a puck possesion team.What MT tells his players is what all coaches should teach- if thier is no option ESPECIALLY in the best league in the world, dump it in and forecheck. Perhaps you ll win a battle for the puck if anything you ll make the other team have to come 200 ft. If you try to finesse it in every time turn overs would be atrocious and costly. It does appear we do a lot of of dump and chase but that’s the other team doing thier homework on our team and not giving our skilled players the ice.

  28. Habs1962 says:

    figured we would be fightin for 8th spot and here we are ! the really good to really bad is interesting , but fightin for 8th is where we end up.
    MG is working towards the Spring of 2017/18/19 , so we wait and see….

  29. Mavid says:

    Princess time is the best time..I am recharged and ready to jump back on the bandwagon…GO HABS GO

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Is princess time also martini time? The bandwagon is in the ditch near Maxville, everyone is walking.
      ( I jest, I’m still a fan but this squad is trying my patience)

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  30. No.4isNo.1 says:

    Just a couple of quick thoughts: I don’t know how some of these passengers are able to look Gally, PK, Pleky or Price in the face after games like last night.
    I voted that they should replace MT not because I am sure anyone else is going to do better but because he is going to alienate our young stars if he keeps on coaching with a double standard.

    Better times are ahead

  31. GL says:

    The problem with this team management never improves the team. They bring in other teams castoffs and resign players that shouldn’t be resigned. Gotta bring in improvement players or 20-years from now if we’re still around. We’ll be writing the same stuff as we’re doing right now. It won’t matter who’s coaching. Bring in what ever coach you want. With the majority of the players we have right now. It won’t change a thing. Bring in better players along with the good ones we already have and we’ll compete with the best teams in the NHL. Players Gotta be tough with good skills.

  32. SlovakHab says:

    One of the better teams in the league is in total shambles, but 31% of HIO doesn’t think we need to fire the coach?

    Wow

    (don’t look at Winnipeg, who won 5 of their last 6 since the old coach got canned).

    This team is going downhill since November, and plenty of people were pointing it out.
    People can blame, Markov, Emelin, Gionta, Eller or even Price, but at the end of the day these players will show they are pretty good, just in a different jersey.

    MB can do as many desperation trades as he wishes, but whoever comes into this team will regress terribly. But 31% of HIO will still keep blaming individual players rather than the terrible system they are playing.

    • mrhabby says:

      What system would u have the players play.

      • Eddie says:

        This team needs to skate, transition quickly out of our zone, keep the puck, create offence.

        • Cal says:

          You mean use their speed and skill as opposed to Duh!mp and chase?
          To MT’s ears, that’s blasphemy! Some kind of personal non-team agenda! The horror, the horror.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Yes indeed, the aggressive fore check and puck possession system that Therrien promised and has the players to play. Now too many players are standing still waiting for the shoot in!

          Habfan17

      • SlovakHab says:

        Look at LA Kings or St Louis Blues.
        Puck possession, aggressive forechecking, good defensive systems allowing few shots.

        Certainly not this dumb and chase system that results in us having 20-25 shots on goal, and allowing other teams more and more chances from the slot as the time goes on.

        I’ve seen heat maps of shots allowed by the Habs. In January, it’s clear that the amount of shots we allow from the slot and surrounding areas close to the net is ridiculous.

        You don’t need big defencemen like Douglas Murray to stop allowing those shots.

        You need a good positioning and defensive system whereby all players know what they are doing and effectively cover the most dangerous areas. Once the puck is retrieved, forwards carry it in to the opposition blue line with speed.

        Habs are playing a ridiculous system where players are in a bad position way too often. It’s terrible. I can’t even watch it anymore. It’s a disgrace to the logo.

        • mrhabby says:

          Right those teams can play that way as they have big , skilled, forchecking players. It can be argued that Habs are far from that..

          Remember when we played the western team the habs were destroyed.

          • SlovakHab says:

            We have plenty of good 2-way players. And Borque can play big under the right guidance. He did score 27 goals in Calgary.

            All we need to do in future is replace DD and Briere with 2 right players and we are set. BTW, both DD and Briere are on Bergevin.

            But the time to play the right system is now.

            Saying that all we need is size is misleading. There are plenty big teams that suck. Winnipeg, Philly, Washington, Buffalo…

            It’s not about the freakin size, it’s about the way the team is coached.

        • boing007 says:

          They should know the danger zones by now. They’ve been playing this game for years. So what’s the real problem?

          Richard R

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Being from Winnipeg I am taking hit after hit since Noel was canned and the Jets are 5 wins out of 6 games. Not a fan of firing MT however if we lose 2 more with lopsided scores and no fire in the team , then MT has lost the room and MB has no choice but to fire him.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • The_Truth says:

      One of the better teams in the league?

      I would say they are a middle of the pack team, kind of where they sit now.

      Sure, bring in Guy Boucher and the team will be the same as they are now and everybody will be calling for his head in 6months. Just like Martin, and Carbo before him. The players on this team should shoulder a lot of the blame because they are the ones not doing anything.

      The system isn’t the cause of anything. They are being coached the same when they had their 10 game winning streak. It’s the players who are not skating, hitting, supporting, going to the net, backchecking that are.

  33. Plekasuares says:

    We need some Ukrainians!!!! Get Fedetenko!! Get Ponikarovsky!! All kidding aside, Glory to Ukraine! (Born in Lviv)

  34. habstrinifan says:

    Eklund says Canadiens are very much (I repeat very much) in on Big Buff.

    Now Now! Stop with the jokes about Therrien and P.K. and Big Buff and a barrel.

    Do you think Big Buff will help the HABS and what would you give up?

  35. Danno says:

    Things have gone down the poop shute ever since MT benched PK

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  36. joeybarrie says:

    Supply vs demand.
    Desperation vs equilibrium.

    Going crazy and making hasty moves, thankfully, is not MBs style.
    All teams go thru slumps. They key is how they rebound from it.

    We desperately need help on the power play and scoring goals.
    I know everyone says we need to add better defence, but its wrong.
    the best defence is an excellent attack. We do not have that. Teams are bombarding us and its making all our D and goalie look terrible.
    16 goals in 9 games is pathetic.

    What we need I’d to take the pressure of our defensive game. Make teams fear our PP and fix our 5v5.

    As for those begging MB to make moves, he is smart enough to know right now 29 other teams will take advantage of us.

    This team can win. They have won. MT is responsible ultimately for the players, but its their play that has monumentally sucked.
    right now our problems are because the professionals we currently have are not getting anything done.
    So while changes may come, knee jerk reactions are why we have players like Bourque to begin with.

    So while we may believe trading Gionta and Bourque can land us a Saviour….. Reality isn’t necessarily in agreement.

    • Habfan17 says:

      The Habs do need a better attack but the biggest part of that is a coach who knows how to build a system to exploit the teams strengths. Therrien is not that coach. I am tired of reading that the Habs have no offensive players. There are players who scored goals with other teams, so why not with the Habs? The system?

      I will disagree with your opinion on the defense. After Markov and Subban, the Habs are filled with 5th, 6th and 7th defencemen. The only other legit top four is Emelin, however he is playing more like a 5th/6th and Markov lately is playing like a 4th/5th.

      It isn’t the fault of the forwards when Markov had a player lined up coming down the boards and chose to let him fly by instead of cutting him off!

      Habfan17

      • joeybarrie says:

        Who scored goals with other teams?
        Gionta has been steady for years now.
        Bourque left Calgary playing the way he currently is.
        Briere left Philly playing the way he currently is.
        Prust had one fair season scoring.
        The rest have pretty much never been anything but Canadiens.
        Eller, Gallagher, Chuckie, DD, MaxPac, Pleks and Bournival have only played with the Habs (for the most part)
        That Makes up our top 9.
        Pk and Markov have only ever been Habs.
        We have no other scorers on this team.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Many of those players you mentioned knew how to put up points, Bourque may be inconsistent, but he has scored 20 goals four times and twice 27. Patches should be outing up at least 35. Pleks should get at least 20, as should Gallagher and Gionta. Galchenyuk if moved to 3rd line centre should get 20. He was on pace for 18 last season. Gallagher was on pace for 30 goals last year and was a 40 goal scorer in junior! Eller should be in and around 15, Gionta who is not a goal scorer, still averaged around 30 in other leagues and with being on the first line and getting power play duty should be able to pot 20. Pleks is 20 goal scorer. Yes it would be nice to have another 40 goal player, but this has more to do with mismanagement of players than the lack of players who can score!
          Prust and Moen are not there to be goal scorers so getting 5 to 10 goals from each is reasonable. Bournival, if used properly, should be good for around 15.

          Habfan17

          • joeybarrie says:

            When you said players scored with other teams the intended point I took you to mean was our system and coach is to blame.
            But not a single players on our team has not had the exact same problems as they currently do under different coaches and different teams.
            When you talk about what these players should be doing. I suggest you look at shooting percentages.
            I do agree our system plays a role, but again, these guys did equally as poorly in different systems under a different coach.
            Plus the basis of the younger players are based a lot on last season with the same coach and system.
            MaxPac, Gally, Chuckie, Eller, etc, etc.
            when you say Chuckie was on pace for 18 last season, it was him on the wing with the same coach….
            So what is different right now and the last 10 games that wasn’t the case the previous 50-60?

    • GL says:

      Whether they’re in a slump or not they are an average team and average teams don’t go far!!

      • joeybarrie says:

        There are 20 Average teams in the NHL. There are a few exceptional teams that spent 5 to 8 seasons in the dump to get the players they currently have, and luck has placed a decent role there. And a few teams that are always in the dumps.
        Its a fairly equal league in that respect.
        Currently there are 10 teams in the East that are within 6 points of each other.
        There are also 11 teams in the East that has less goals scored than allowed.

    • habcertain says:

      this is his first crisis, we will see soon what his style is.

  37. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Just checking in… Is Therrien still coach?

  38. Cal says:

    Loads of comments. Misery loves company, I guess.

    http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

  39. Eddie says:

    For me the key is Markov.

    Why is playing so poorly since the Hawks game? Is he hurt? Is he tired? Is he fed up with the coach? Do we sign him? Do we trade him?

    • Eddie says:

      Because if Markov does not play like a top dman, we can not compete defensively.

      It was only a few games ago when he scored both goals to beat the Hawks.

      It was only recently people were suggesting 3 or 4 years and 6 or mor million.

      Who is Andrei Markov and what can he give us going forward?

      • Habfan17 says:

        I never saw anyone suggest 3 or 4 years at $6 million. I have seen and would have been comfortable with 2 at the same money he makes now. With his knees and age, anything more is too big risk.

        Now I think, if he doesn’t get worse, trading him at the deadline if anyone enquires and offers something that makes sense. he could always resign with the Habs as a free agent if he wants in the summer.

        Habfan17

        • Eddie says:

          Definitely people suggested here that 2 year would not get it done, and he’s making almost 6 million on this deal.

          Therrien played him like a number one dman, 25 minutes, first line penalty kill, first line power play.

          It’s a tough file. Very tough.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Yes, it is. I agree, I did see people post that they though Markov would want at least 3 years and $6 million.

            I hate seeing teams giving these retirement or thank you contracts and wasting money that could be used on a better, long term player.

            At the most, 2 years at the same money and used as a 2nd pair defenceman. Right now, I would say if anyone offers a decent trade, let him go at the deadline.

            Habfan17

          • CJ says:

            I know what I’d be willing to give, but you can bet Markov wants 3-5 years, with at least the same salary. I certainly wouldn’t do it, but I’m sure that’s his entry point into negotiations.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            MB deal with Markov now. 2 or 3 years $2.5M max. If not trade at deadline for draft choices or prospects, unless we return to form then wait till free agency to decide.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

    • Habfan17 says:

      It is puzzling, his body language almost says ” why bother” If he is fed up, as a leader, he needs to speak up to MB. If he is hurt, he needs to pull himself out of the lineup to heal. If he is tired, MT should be aware and give him less minutes.

      Habfan17

    • habcertain says:

      Eddie I would ship him while his value is good, could get a decent return, while Pleks is also a good player I would consider him too, lets try and get some up and comers.

  40. Puckdoc says:

    As a city we always blame goalies and coaches. It’s what we do. Therrien isn’t a great coach, he’s average at best, but this roster is average at best. Add up average players to an average coach and what do you get? MB has not done a good job adding pieces to invigorate and support the core and made a massive blunder by identifying DD as a core piece of the team and enormously obvious terrible decision by signing Danny Briere. MB is actually the one to blame for this Swiss cheese defense, roster and average coach.

  41. Habilis says:

    I get it, I get it. Bergevin doesn’t want to appear reactionary so he’s sitting on high and doing nothing. He’s smarter and calmer than the rest of us. I get it.

    But here’s the problem with that: If he waits till the end of the season, we’re going to end up in the worst possible position. By that I mean outside the playoffs, but not low enough to get a good pick. We’ll end up 9th or 10th in the conference. Or maybe we grab 8th and get dismantled by the Pens. Awesome.

    There’s simply not enough games left for us to “catch” teams like Buffalo and Edmonton at the bottom of the league. Add that to the fact that there are still so many other teams behind us, most of whom are mediocre, and it becomes next to impossible for us to tank. At this point, it’s playoffs or bust and every day that MT is at the helm is another day closer to disaster.

    I know a coaching change doesn’t magically fix things but look at Winnipeg right now. They were awful and now they’re flying since Maurice took over. Even a small winning streak would put us right back into a solid 3rd in the division.

    MT is not the answer long term, and at this point he’s even damaging us in the short term. What is MB waiting for??

    • habitunts1 says:

      Excellent comment Friend or not MB the time is now for a change

      #10

    • Eddie says:

      Bergerons first and most significant decision was to hire his own coach, and he chose Therrien.

      That is why he will take much longer than he should to pull the trigger.

      It must be tough to admit that you made a bad choice, but especially tough for a rookie GM who is now firing his first coach he hired.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Might I make an observation. Bergevin may risk looking more inexperienced and less competent if he does not act now and just admit he made the wrong choice. It also may be more damaging with the players and take longer for a new coach to get them back.

        The key is not what we think of Bergevin, but what the players do IMO. If they think he is turning a blind eye, that is problematic.

        To the media, MB could say, at the time, MT was the right “only” choice and I decided with where the team is today, the right choice was to let Michel go and start in a new direction. Something along those lines.

        Habfan17

      • Habilis says:

        Yeah, I get that aspect of it, and to a point I understand.

        But this is the NHL, not the ECHL. GM’s need to make decisions based on what’s best for the team and nothing else.

        He can’t watch this team fall off a cliff and still honestly think that Therrien is the right man. He just can’t. And that’s really all that should matter.

      • D Mex says:

        Seems to me that Hartley had signed with Calgary and Roy had been contacted before Therrien was hired. I don’t recall where Boucher was on the timeline.

        Therrien was not my preferred candidate, and he may not have been MB’s either. Regardless, he was hired, and hindsight tells us (now) there really wasn’t a big rush because of the lockout. But I can see NB wanting to have people in key positions, and head coach is certainly one of those.

        I remain convinced it was never intended as a long-term hire and, when all is said and done, that it won’t be. But it would surprise me greatly that MB – or anyone operating under the circumstances he was faced with at the time – will cave to pressure and fire him right now. I just don’t see it happening.

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

      • habcertain says:

        you are right that it would be tough, but it would not surprise anyone, and I mean anyone. isn’t that sort of a red flag when you hired the guy?

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      IMO, this is why we’ve not fielded a winner in so long. In today’s NHL, you have to hit bottom to get the players that will allow you to rise to the top. I’ve often thought that we rabid fans are the problem. We won’t allow this team to be as bad as they need to be and management keeps making stop gap moves that keep us … mediocre. But even then it’s not a guarantee. Look at Edmonton. So far. Go Habs!

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • JF says:

      I can’t really agree with your contention that it’s playoffs or bust for the Habs. Obviously, we’re not going to “catch” Buffalo or Edmonton at the bottom, but the gap between us and most of the other teams chasing us is small. There’s still plenty of time for us to slip far enough in the standings to get a high pick.

      But aside from our draft position, missing the playoffs would give Bergevin the opportunity to move some of our impending free agents and veterans at the trade deadline, which would help stock our prospect cupboard. I think this would actually be better for the team long-term than making the playoffs. After all, the goal should not be to make the playoffs, but to win the Cup – which it’s very clear we’re not dong this year.

      While it is very possible that a coaching change might improve the team in the short term, I think Bergevin needs to be very sure before he makes such a change. Sure that he’s getting the coach he wants, and sure that he’s not putting this coach into a position in which he could only fail. The new coach would inherit basically the same problems Therrien is trying to deal with – lack of size up front, lack of balance, players under-performing. He might get a bit more out of the team than Therrien is doing, but I doubt it would be a lot.

      Rather than make a coaching change immediately, I’d like to see Bergevin stick to his plan for now, be an active seller at the deadline, and perhaps make a change over the summer. Unless of course last night’s debacle is followed by a couple more such debacles this week, which would make it clear that Therrien had lost the room. In that case, Bergevin would have no choice but to fire him.

  42. HabinBurlington says:

    Graham Dalaet in the clubhouse 8 under par, presently about 6 guys tied for lead at -8 a few in the clubhouse.

    Not sure the leaders on the course will let him get to playoff, but would love to see this guy win a PGA event soon.

  43. The Teacher says:

    I wonder if the bergevin meeting with subban was to ask him about either
    1) asking him to take a hometown discount
    2) asking PK who the problems in the team are (in my opinion NoBODY cares more than PK)

  44. The Teacher says:

    At the end if this year

    Bourque
    GiontA
    Bouillon
    Diaz
    Murray
    Possibly Markov

    Should all be gone.

    What bergevin does ten will decide my opinion of him which is already badly hurt by the boneheaded Briere signing.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I have to tell you that watching Bourque again last night there is a lack of effort from him. I know we are quick to hang MT for the teams poor play but we all need to remember to hold some of these players culpable as well.

      I wonder if anyone called him on it during the players only meeting? Oh to be a fly on the wall, eh?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        He was an enigma in Calgary as well, appears it will never change.

      • Habfan17 says:

        You are right, the players have to look in the mirror too. It is difficult to get up for work, in this case for games, when your coach is not competent and keeps messing with the lines and following a system that is not geared to be successful with the players he has. That has to be disheartening to them. Yes, they are pros and should put forth a better effort. I am just saying, I get why they may be struggling!

        Habfan17

  45. habitunts1 says:

    What’s Guy Boucher up to these days? I would love to see that kind of fired up coach behind the bench.

    #10

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good News, he is available, bad news, why hasn’t he caught on anywhere else? I think he could be good but wonder why he isn’t coaching somewhere.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Yeah like he did such a great job in Tampa. Besides, I for one, do NOT want to see that face 82+ times a year. My bad.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  46. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …in fact, what an any sport name :)

  47. Eddie says:

    I knew we were in deep doodoo when Bergevin explained to Galchenyuk how much he would appreciate Therrien because of his experience working with young players in Pittsburgh!!

    Whaaaaaat?

    Ground control to Major Tom, Mr. Bergevin.

    Ask Naatinen how he feels about Therrien.

    What was that all about? GM decides to call up a player for his first NHL game and he gets 2 shifts?

    What an embarrassment Therrien is!

    Bergevin deserves more time. But removing Therrien should be done immediately.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Eddie, not to pile on or to add to your angst, but during the 2nd period I looked across st Therrien and he wasn’t watching the play.

      Later in the third period I looked across at him again and he was doing it again. I took a photo and you can see him looking to the left while all the players and fans behind the bench were looking at their right.

      I certainly can understand why he didn’t want to watch. I sure as heck didn’t either.

  48. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Connor Crisp …what a great hockey name

  49. Sportfan says:

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  50. JohninTruro says:

    Vail has two assists today himself with lots of game left. Reway must be injured again…

  51. AndyF says:

    I’ve been noticing that Gionta’s been really bad on wrist shots lately, and has been taking a lot of slap shots. I was thinking it was his recent bicep injuries.

    I asked a friend — an orthpaedic surgeon who’s treated a fair number of pro athletes in his career — about the fate of Brian Gionta. My question: Gionta has torn both bicep tendons in the past 2 years. What is his prognosis?

    The response back was that this is an indication of a degenerative disease of the tendons. He said it was most likely the distal bicep tendon: http://phoenixshoulderandknee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/distal_biceps_rupture_0-large.png

    A normal tendon looks shiny and smooth, whereas a diseased tendon would look frayed and rough. It’s not going to get better for Gionta, in all likelihood.

    Tearing both distal bicep tendons is a very bad sign. If this is the case, I will be sorry to see Gionta go, but my personal feeling is that he and the team must part ways.

    Hope this adds something to the discussion.

    • Harditya says:

      If that is the case he should be considering retiring before another (I hope not) injury occurs to the biceps and he’s not even able to perform daily activities anymore. 35 is still a young age.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good to know, thanks.
      Agree also with your conclusion, sad though it is.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      All season I have tried to watch Gionta closely, specifically there was a game early in the year where he held his arm like it was hurt. Indeed to my highly speculative but untrained eyes he appears to have far less zip on his wrist shot, clearing attempts etc…. Indeed he seems to resort to a slapper style of shot.

      Obviously none of us really know the extent of his injury, but I too am highly suspicious of his health, and suspect other teams feel the same way.

      Have always like Gionta, and never felt he shortchanged the team or fans when it came to effort.

      • AndyF says:

        HIB, you’re right — none of really know. I want to make that clear. But if we have to play the odds…. :(

        I noticed even his passing is very weak. As, I guess, it should be if he has progressive tendon issues.

        Agreed — Gio has given us everything he has!

  52. Dunboyne Mike says:

    (Just flitting in and out, don’t want Twi to spot me NOT grading papers.)

    Wanted to say, there is really excellent discussion here, very nearly all of it respectful and courteous when you’d think the current dire situation would provoke more flaming and the absence of any willingness to see an opposing point of view.

    So many really fine and logical suggestions and solutions. My only point would be that we can never forget that there’s crucial information we can never know, condemning us always to speculation.

  53. matrags says:

    I am beginning to worry about Subban resigning. No doubt he has expressed a great desire to remain a Hab however at some pt resolve may crumble.
    I would have to think his previous contract negotiations and the teams hard line on term and amount may have got him to thinking.
    He responded with his best yr and a Norris . Proof in the pudding
    A luke warm indorsement by his coach, and public tear down and benching. AS noted By M Ron a team spiral downward and Subbans worst stretch of hockey since arriving.
    A meeting with the GM , about what, no body knows.
    DD and Patch untouchable, best
    offensive line , or has rest of team just quite behind them.
    Price ,Subbbans best friend on team has performance melt down over same period.
    What goes on here.?

    • VerdunHab says:

      I’m a little worried myself, MB just has to make some moves between now and the deadline…including a new coach. Then I have no doubt PK will be fine and sign long term. Interesting to see Gudbranson is a healthy scratch today. I’m sure the GM is trying, but he’s ripe for the picking right now…so I can also see him being a little shy to make a move for the sake of it.

      • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

        Me too. I can see PK signing a deal that takes him to UFA in three years then walking away. Or hoping he gets an Offer Sheet that MTL can’t or won’t match. Yup, I can see it happening….

      • GrimJim says:

        Subban is an RFA, MOntreal can match any offer. The real test of whether sub ban is discontented will be if he chooses a one year arbitration contract this summer. That is the fastest way out if subban wants to go…

  54. HABitual Fan says:

    There was a day when consecutive no shows like this team has been handing us, would not have been rewarded with another day off. In my mind, these millionaires should be earning their time off…..it’s certainly not because they are exhausted due to effort. Imagine, these guys are on the ice for a total of 6-26 minutes per game spread out over nearly 3 hours. For most of them, even at the lofty level they play, it’s hardly enough to break a sweat! Poor ol’ Ian and crew have to pay $500 to witness this embarrassment! The GM should have met them at the gate with refunds!

  55. habitunts1 says:

    Is there any possibility that Guy Carbonneau could be available for MT’s Job ?

    #10

  56. Cape Breton says:

    Selfish group of players, I say. Hey, $1,2,3,4,5 million bucks a year and show up like that last nite and previous nites in recent past! Effort sucks. Baloney players with no pride in themselves or the organization. What’s the greats from the past thinking of this horror show?
    PS: Blaming it all on the coaching staff is a crutch the players like nothing better to hear.

  57. Ian Cobb says:

    LICK THEIR WOUNDS ? WHAT WOUNDS ?
    I just got back home from Montreal. We were at the game and the puck didn’t even get bruised! what wounds is Stu Cowan talking about ? Pride wounds ? NO! they didn’t have any of that last night.!
    It was so apparent that Therrien is done in Montreral ! All the boys are completely fed up with his style of coaching, they have little incentive to get out on their next shift! The hardest skaters last night were the boys with the time out snow scrapers. What a pathetic product that I paid $500 for two seats to see.

    On a positive note, Saturday I presented a check on behalf of all HIO members to The Mtl. Canadens Children’s Foundation, It was greatly appreciated.

    At Hurley’s I had a few single Malt’s and fun conversation with Punkster and my oldest son after the game.

  58. CJ says:

    Connor Crisp update;

    Three assists this afternoon, plus three. Wolves win 4-2.

  59. habstrinifan says:

    Everyone knows I’m no Therrien fan. But I am gonna do my part.

    I wrote his next pre-game speech.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5lhfKUFNN8

  60. wjc says:

    I am on the 6 out of the next 8 points bandwagon. Not to late to jump on….keep me company.

    Do not hurt yourself trying to get on when it is moving full blast, jump on now, while there is still time and room.

    6 out of 8 points is our chant and mantra….this is great news.

    wjc

  61. Forum Dog says:

    I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we’re only a few days away from a move of some kind. Therrien may get a little more rope, and it may be a player swap/drop before a firing, but if he’s lost the confidence of the room, it will be hard to get back. If they play like they actually care and win the next two in row things might calm down, but they have 4 games this week against some good teams – 3 of which are at home – and if they stumble through that the pressure might force MBs hand…

  62. wjc says:

    Nothing to see here:
    Fan melt down, trade this, sell that, waive this, fire that.
    It is over, we are doomed, conspiracies, this is obvious, that is not acceptable, woe, woe, woe.

    I cry myself to sleep, I weep myself awake, the days are long and cold, my youth is leaving, I am old.
    Free tickets anyone, free advice, it is free.

    This trade, throw this in, throw this out, start again, never to watch again, until the next game.

    Losses are almost more entertaining than wins, the Stanley cup would be a let down.

    wjc

  63. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I would take “guts” to trade Andrei Markov this season before the trade deadline, but IMO it would greatly improve the Canadiens’ chances for success in the long term.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree, and unlike Gainey, I think Bergevin needs to be loyal to the fans and the overall organization and trade the upcoming Unrestricted free agents for building blocks for the future, Not be blinded or sentimental and keep them then lose them for nothing.

      I believe the Habs as much of a chance of getting into the playoffs, trading players like Gionta at the deadline, as they do if they keep them.

      Habfan17

  64. Tis Himself says:

    Hate to break it to MT, but the players have figured out that the easiest way to get off on Sunday is suck Saturday night!

    • wjc says:

      Let players have some time off, bag skates are a thing of the past, reminding and ramming video and information would just make it worse.

      Keep your head, do not lose control, Just before the dawn is always the darkest.

      Just concentrate on 6 out of the next 8 points and consider this all part of the process. Seasons have UPS and DOWNS. This might be the bottom until the next time.

      wjc

  65. Sportfan says:

    The obvious is we need a coach he knows how to use Vets and Rookies without cringing.

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  66. CJ says:

    Hi Front,

    Sorry, I’m unable to link the Tom Wilson vs Dalton Thrower fight from the prospect game, but I just checked and if you type in “Wilson Thrower fight” into youtube, it will come up. If anyone could supply the link it would be appreciated. Thanks, CJ

  67. DipsyDoodler says:

    Here, via the films of Tom Cruise, is the solution to the Habs’ current crisis of confidence (courtesy Rich Hall):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFal553wR3k

  68. Habfan17 says:

    Another day off!!!!!!!! The Habs get more days off than Government employees! I am sure they have already used up the days off they must give players. How about some practices to work things out? How about a bag skate too let the players know they need to look in the mirror and play better. Therrien has two kinds of practice, days off and ice baseball. Maybe the Habs are out of shape! Maybe they are tired!

    Habfan17

  69. twilighthours says:

    It seems obvious that this team won’t make the playoffs – or just squeak in and get thumped – unless something is done to stir things up and turn things around. A coaching change, a trade… Something more than interchanging the 5/6 D men.

    So I’m interested to see what Bergevin (Bergeron, Primetime?) will do in the next few weeks. If I were a vet like Plex, I’d be pretty upset that my GM is sitting on his hands when I’m busting my hump out there and really need help.

    Bergevin just might be sending the message “I don’t believe you guys are any good.”

    Anything else doesn’t really make sense to me. Otherwise, why is he so silent and passive?

  70. durocher says:

    Regarding trades, it is true that some of our vets have value (e.g., Markov, Gorges), and some don’t (e.g., Briere, Bourque). The key would be to “tie” or pair a vet with value with a vet who has none, and tell the teams to take it or leave it. For example, we could trade Markov + Briere (though not likely Briere by himself).

    Any thing is possible (e.g., we traded for Scott Gomez, Washington gave up Filip Forsberg).

  71. habstrinifan says:

    Crawford(or Babcock) looks down his bench, winks and
    Eller Bournival and Crisp jump over the boards.
    Followed by P.K and Beaulieu.

    Edit: Big Bird strokes his chin.

    I’m having a freakin orgasm!

  72. FlyingFrenchie says:

    This just in…MB has urged fans to be patient as referenced in this revealing interview with NHL Golf Magazine. “We are on a carefully planned 50 year rebuilding program. Most of our fan base will be in nursing homes by then, but what the hell! It should be quite exciting for the old buggers at that age. In the meantime we will continue to stay the course, be patient and hope that the fans don’t burn down the rink.
    To stave off arena rioting, we are on the lookout for more one dimensional 3rd liners who couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn door with a pop gun. These type of players are getting harder to find, because most of them are on our current roster.”
    As far as a coaching change. You cannot blame MT. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, so cut the guy some slack.
    The fan’s need to chill out. If the pain gets too great, simply drink more beer. This is my “go to formula” and it works like a charm. It also keeps our gloriously magnificent owner smiling all the way to the bank!” Plus this signifies our total commitment to making our fans the greatest beer drinkers in the league. Something that we feel is certainly achievable, given the depressing state of our franchise.

  73. Reflektor says:

    Alain Vigneault was available last summer.

  74. habsfan0 says:

    Have there been any Guy Boucher sightings in or around the Bell Centre today?

  75. Mark C says:

    People now offering takes on which assistant coaches should be fired. People actually believe they know enough of all the aspects of these coaches jobs to offer such strong opinion?

    • habcertain says:

      we know what we see

      • CJ says:

        We see what we want to see. Truthfully, nobody outside of the organization, myself included, have any clue what’s really going on in that room. Is JJ doing a good job? Maybe, maybe not. I can’t imagine it would be easy to fool a GM who played defence for 20 years professionally. If JJ is dismissed, it’s because he couldn’t get the job done. Clearly Moulson, unlike Jerry Jones is giving Bergevin and the leadership team the latitude to make decisions that they feel are in the best interest of the organization.


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