Habs get day off Friday; Pateryn sent to Hamilton

After losing 4-1 to the Senators Thursday night in Ottawa, the Canadiens announced on Friday morning that defenceman Greg Pateryn was being assigned to the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs.

The 23-year-old has yet to dress for a game this season with the Canadiens. In six games with the Bulldogs, he had three goals and three assists. He was pointless in three games with the Canadiens last season.

The Canadiens suffered their fourth straight loss in Ottawa and have earned only one of a possible eight points during that span from a shootout loss to the St. Louis Blues. After Thursday’s action, the Canadiens were sitting in seventh place in the Eastern Conference standings with an 8-8-1 record.

Canadiens coach Michel Therrien said his team deserved a better fate against the Senators after outshooting Ottawa 34-24.

“I thought we dictated the game and got some great scoring chances but we couldn’t capitalize on it,” Therrien told reporters after the game. “I thought we deserved a better fate but that was a great team effort we saw tonight.”

The Canadiens were given the day off Friday. They will practise at 11 a.m. Saturday in Brossard in preparation for Sunday’s game against the New York Islanders at the Bell Centre (6 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

(Photo by Jean Levac/Ottawa Citizen)

Putting some perspective into Subban controversy, by Pat Hickey

Sens’ Lehner makes 33 saves in win, by Pat Hickey

Sens opportunistic as Habs lose fourth straight, by Pat Hickey

Habs vs. Senators photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

If you bet the over on P.K. Subban’s ice time you were a winner, Stu on Sports blog

Subban’s pride may be hurt most, SI.com

Senators Extra, Ottawa Citizen

The finish line for Habs, Canadiens.com

Taking stock one month into season, NHL.com

Current and former NHL players want fighting in the game, montrealgazette.com

Flyers’ Shero revolutionized coaching in NHL, montrealgazette.com

Panthers fire coach Dineen and assistants, NHL.com


  1. FormalWare says:

    So, I wake up and find the Oilers have Gone Full Bryzzer!

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  2. durocher says:

    DD+Diaz+Moen for Versteeg+Matthias



  3. Maritime Ronn says:

    Poster JF writes concerning the difference between Leafs and Habs forwards going to the net:

    ” …I watched the Leafs create all kinds of havoc and scoring chances by doing it. Why don’t our coaches make this change? Why do we have only one guy who is willing to go to the net and stay there?”

    First off, there is no teaching grit and guts.
    A player either has it in him, or he doesn’t.

    Former Leafs GM Brian Burke, and now by the continuation in Dave Nonis, were very clear about how they wanted to build their team since 2009.

    Whether one agrees or disagrees, Burke’s quote said it all as to the direction he wanted to go:

    ” “We require, as a team, proper levels of pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence. That’s how our teams play,” said Burke.

    “I make no apologies for that. Our teams play a North American game. We’re throwbacks. It’s black-and-blue hockey. It’s going to be more physical hockey here than people are used to.”

    While size was important in building that team, size alone was not the determining factor.
    Big and soft was not going to be tolerated.

    Contrary to Bob Gainey/Pierre Gauthier, Burke recognized that playoff hockey is a different animal requiring both skill and toughness.

    One just has to look at the present Leafs roster and the Forwards group has all of that as does the Defense.

    While it deeply bothers to say this, the Leafs will be tough to beat in the playoffs this year.

    • Ton says:

      I saw the St Louis game on Tuesday in great seats………we don’t want to go into the tough areas because that’s not where smaller player traditional players go! Not the case for all but I saw two things that really disturbed me………..stick checking of Diaz and Borque when it was time to take the body……..you don’t see these things on TV!

      I think the difference between the building of both teams was this>

      Leafs were dead and out…..bottomed out! The needed a plan that they stuck to it!
      Habs have been somewhat competitive for the last 7 years! Our plan was to stay competitive by keeping certain pieces together! Leafs had one objective..>build a fast and tough big team! Our plan well Gauthier at one point said ……..we messed up we need to get bigger….well starting again is not an easy thing to do in todays NHL

      Now this doesn’t mean that the Leafs have built a powerhouse! They could indeed not make the playoffs next year or this year because this is the new NHL. We need to be patient and hopefully we can get bigger, faster, and a real contender sooner rather than later

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        While the 2010 playoff run was magic, that may have given a false sense as to what it takes to go forward and long.

        The Habs fluked out two series wins against less physical teams (Wash-Pitt) then were scoreboard and physically demolished by Philly in a 5 game series being outscored 17-7 and shut out 3 times.

        Cammy, Gionta, Gomez, and Plex were the top scorers, yet their 5X5 play showed a combined Minus -22 for the 4 players.

        As for the Leafs, no, they are no powerhouse yet may be one of the hardest teams to play against in a long 7 game series.

      • The Dude says:

        Enough with the being patient,MB’s got to pull the trigger on the dead wood! There are sick and old Hab fans that could get a moral booster from a re-vitalized C.H. team that could travel deep into play-off action don’t you know!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Ronn. That’s all well and good that Gainey and Mr. Happy missed the formula on building a playoff team. Doesn’t that make Bergevin’s signing of DD and Briere all the more baffaling?

  4. Hobie Hansen says:

    A shakeup trade would be nice. Unfortunately with the Salary Cap the way it is, it just ain’t happening.

    It’s frustrating, for years now, you look at the group of forwards and they’re just too damn small to evenly compete night in and night out. When the Habs are flying, they’re pretty good. Unfortunately, you can’t expect to be flying for 82 games and every night in the playoffs.

    On an off night, you need a few guys that can just put their shoulder down, drive to the net, and either tip in a shot or collect a rebound and put it home. We’ve got one guy who does that and he’s 5’9″ tall and 21-years-old.

    In a perfect world, you take a look at some of the bottom feeders in the league like Philadelphia or Calgary who have guys like Glencross (I know he’s injured) or Simmonds. You send them a package of picks and prospects and get a trade done.

    However, we’re up against the cap because of idiotic contacts handed out to Briere and Desharnais and we’ve got no wiggle room.

  5. Eddie says:

    When I was in high school we used to take a kid like Rob Ford and hang him by his underwear from the coat hanger in his locker.

    I take full responsibility for creating this monster.

    And, yes, I know, today it would be frowned upon as bullying.

  6. Lafleurguy says:

    Sorry to point this out, but the team hasn’t won since the Summit took place. Looks like I have to attend next year’s to prevent this type of preternatural fan impact. More impactful would be getting JF to attend.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  7. Maritime Ronn says:

    Edmonton sports media is drooling this AM.
    Bryzgalov is coming! Bryzgalov is coming!

    Bryzgalov discovered the universe 2 years ago.

    Or his media scrums after being accused about sleeping during team meetings or calling the media a bunch of lunatics ( he might be on to something… 🙂 )

    • Lafleurguy says:

      You, of all of us information buffs, would know or easily find out that Anti-Bear Bryzgalov had two spectacular seasons with the Coyotes before Philly lavished him with money. Trading Smid was a cap-driven sacrifice, but at least McTavish Lowe is trying something.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  8. Lafleurguy says:

    Grigorenko of the 2012 draft class has tied Galchenyuk in goal scoring, took one game, and no kicking.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  9. Maritime Ronn says:

    It appears the PK Subban clan of Don Meehan from Newport Sports Management Inc. begin contract talks with the Habs concerning P.K. Subban next Tuesday.

    Newport is the most important and powerful player agency in the NHL.

    Forget about everything that has been written and said in the past, or near past from BOTH parties be that a willingness for the Habs to go long, or the always nice words coming from PK.
    This is business.

    The ‘potential’…yes, potential long term offer by the Habs, along with the willingness of P.K. to actually sign long term, will answer ALL the questions about where the two Parties stand moving forward.

    Contrary to Summer 2012 when the Habs held ALL the cards, this time around the roles are reversed as the Subban clan has the power because of the Subban RFA Arbitration Rights.

    Subban is an RFA until Summer 2016 when he could potentially become a UFA and be free to negotiate with any NHL team.

    Subban now has the potential to Reject and NOT sign any long term offer presented to him, and take the Habs to arbitration and settle for 1-2 year contract.

    Using the Arbitration process, Subban would be easily guaranteed $7M per year.

    Potential Offer Sheet next summer if nothing can get done?
    Without posting all the different RFA compensation levels, an Offer Sheet for Subban would cost and team four (4) 1st Round draft picks…and the Habs could always match any Offer Sheet presented and if they did, could not trade Subban for at least 1 year.

    Look for a number of 8 years/ $60M-$64M…that is IF Subban sees and wants to be in Montreal long term – or do places and the big lights of markets such as New York-LA-Chicago-Toronto intrigue him more.

    Let the games begin.

    • Eddie says:

      Geoff Molson loves the Habs as much or more than any of us. He is a huge fan, and a great fan of the game.
      Molson appreciates Subban as much as anyone.
      This deal takes 5 minutes to sign if Subban wants the 8 years.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Agreed….and the BIG word is in your last sentence “IF”

        • Habfan10912 says:

          And who gets the blame if there is no “IF”?

          • Eddie says:

            I think Subban will sign.

            He knows Therrien and he is adjusting to the coach, as every player is expected to do. When your coach wants you out there, you go at 100 miles an hour. When your coach doesn’t want you out there, you stay ready.

            You never complain. You never open your mouth to the media.

            Subban is a real pro.

            He will sign for the 8 years and hopefully the next coach will be more supportive.

          • Mark C says:

            Already playing the blame game before anything actually happens. What a joke.

          • Eddie says:

            Not a friendly reply there Mark. Saturday morning, remember?

  10. JohnBellyful says:

    More headlines:

    Desharnais fights depression over near-pointless existence

    NHL rinks put Canadiens’ offence on ‘no fly’ list

    Therrien, Subban patch up differences at hospital ER

    Held without a shot, Leafs win 4-1

    Murray ignores personal superstition, sharpens skates first time in 10 years

    Coach benches ‘candy-ass’ Kane for indifferent play

    Parros healthy scratch, finishes -1

    Habs block 73 shots, including pre-game warmup

    Sedins rave about Tortorella: ‘It’s like we’re triplets!’

    Simmering controversy over Bouillon TOI threatens to boil over

    Someone other than Gallagher rushes the net

    Shanahan inducted into Hall of Fame – as player

    Tossed out of face-off circle for ‘umpteenth’ time, Plekanec tosses linesman

    Moen continues to collect pay cheque

    CH24 outtakes: Therrien says emasculating ‘cocky’ Subban for good of team

  11. Habfan10912 says:

    Did Tallon really expect different results from that God awful mess of a team he’s put together. Is this how you spell SCAPEGOAT.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Dineen or Craig Ramsay would look good as Habs coaches.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Habfan10912 says:

        My 84 year old Mom would look good at this point. 🙂

        Morning Guy!

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Hey Jim! Forget how many games constituted an accurate sample size, 15?, 20? Personally, I see the team as a close fascimile of last year’s. Fast start, then regression to its mean level of skill. Hate to point out the hot goaltending of the first dozen games has regressed. I wouldn’t like to see a dumb trade, but a shake-up is necessary. Management could try again to get six picks in the first three rounds but that helps the skill level for three to five years from now. Did the Islanders really have more to offer Buffalo than the Habs? And was there no way Bergevin could think of, to get Moulson, or Max Talbot, or Mike Brown, or Steve Downie (to play alongside Akim Aliu)? Cheers Bud.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Yes, it is, Jim, yes, it is.
      Usually without the caps, though.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Dineen appears to have suffered the same fate as our Asst. Coach Gallant went through with his first NHL Head Coaching gig in Columbus a few years back.

      All the credit in the world for Roy, he was smart enough (fortunate enough) to have his first gig be with a roster and team that was ready to explode up the standings.

      Dallas Eakins may indeed be the next version of that spelling of scapegoat.

  12. Eddie says:

    On a related note to the discussion below, forwards who go to the net, that’s why Gallagher made this team last year, because I was sure he needed more fine tuning in Hamilton. But once he started going to the net, with or without the puck, he sold himself to management right away.

    And take a look in Hamilton because we have no one there who will drive the net either.

    And please spare me the McCarron and Crisp talking points.

    Rob Ford will be out of the detox center, rehabbed, and ready to run for Prime Minister, before either one of those guys can play scoring minutes in a Habs uniform.

    We really need to trade for a nasty forward, and I like Steve Ott.

    29 years old, ending a 3 million per year deal, nasty every night, every shift, but he can score 15 goals and open space for a Pacioretty, an Eller, a Galchenyuk, depending on the lines.

    Make it happen Bergevin.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Rob’s mom wants her son to run for Prime Minister, but she wants him to lose a few pounds first.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good Morning Ed! I’ve fast become a non fan of Bourque’s game. To me he represents the biggest example of JF’s and yours “stop in front of the net” violator.

      I’m sure our excellent coach is way to busy on other more pressing matters at the moment but will eventually turn his attention to this in the near future. Sigh.

      • Eddie says:

        Bourque’s middle name is Enigma.

        Morning, Jim

        • HabinBurlington says:

          True indeed, exactly why Calgary traded him. One night so good and promising and the next few nights you wonder where his head is at. Enigma wrapped in a conundrum.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I disagree. Bourque is playing as expected. Briere,dd and max out are supposed to be scoring and currently are not. They also all make more money

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • HabinBurlington says:

            His stats do continue to keep on pace with his career averages (haven’t looked this up), but don’t you think sometimes this guy has all the tools to do so much more? By the way, in complete agreement he is far from the main problem this team has. But I do believe he could be an even better scorer. He to has suffered from the line juggling, as I am not sure he has had the benefit of consistent linemates and centers.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I would agree that I think he could more but he is on the third line now. I actually thought he was okay last game and had scored when gallagher crashed the net.

            Don’t forget when the chips were down last year in the playoffs he was one of our best players.

            I just don’t get all the hate for bourque. He is a decent asset. Who isn’t eating up cap space. He is a great bottom 6-9 winger

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Bourque is also tied for third on the team in goals and is on the third line making just over 3 mill a season. He isn’t the problem on this team.

        He on pace for around 25 goals which is great and about what should be expected.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Not just about goal scoring Kooch. In fairness, Patches and Briere have been hurt so your production comparison is a bit unfair. There are games where Rene looks like a decent NHL player. That’s when you see the 25 goal scorer you speak of. Then there are games where he’s as disinterested as any player I’ve ever seen.

          I’ll give you an example of his aloofness, The game against San Jose there was a skirmish in the corner with the Hab players getting their face washed. Where was Bourque? Skating figure 8’s in front of the net. If I were his coach he wouldn’t have smelled the ice for a while.

          There have been too many games when this type of effort has been seen from this guy.

          I’ll nod in agreement about DD and Briere but that’s on management. Big time mistakes.

          Cheers bud.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Jim, could he be better, I would agree but he isn’t the reason the habs are where they are. Max has been hurt but he needs to start producing. He didn’t look that great before he got hurt this year. Is that cause of dd…maybe

            But 3 of our top 6 are not producing. Briere was just a badmove. I also don’t buy that he was hurt before. Hisvstats for the last couple are on par for his current underperformed. MB has made some odd moves with dd and briere. Ryder looked pretty decent for nj last night and he is cheaper. Iamnot a Ryder fan for the record

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Jim I would also like to point out he was the first one in there after gallagher ran the goalie against Ottawa . He was also in there when Orr tried to run pleks. That lead to him getting decked and a concussion

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • boing007 says:

          If Bourque applied himself more he could pot 40 goals.

          Richard R

  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Russia is getting amped up about Olympic hockey in Sochi, check out this video, some Greats of Russian hockey past and present star in it.

    Interesting I don’t think I saw Markov or Emelin in it.


    • Eddie says:

      On the international ice I’m not even sure Canada wins a medal in Sochi. I would say Sweden and Russia play for the gold.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Canada will be in tough and don’t forget Team USA

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Ryan Miller almost stole the Gold for the USA in Vancouver. Few among us could name the two American goal scorers in the gold-medal game. Point being that any one of Russia, USA, Sweden, Finland, or Canada winning the Sochi Gold would not be an upset win. If Czech Republic or Slovakia win a medal, it would also not be a surprise.
          Rookie Bookie pegs Canada’s chances at 10-20%.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Ahhhh. Goaltending. the great equalizer. Lot’s of teams have those types of folks in the nets. Going to be some wonderful hockey to see.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree Jim, the challenge will be adjusting our sleep schedules so we can enjoy the games live.

  14. NDO33 says:

    MB in talks with Tallon?

    At this point I’d trade DD for Gomez. Honestly.

  15. Lafleurguy says:

    Bergevin, you’ve got some work to do, sir:

    NOV. 8 Ladislav Smid, D
    Olivier Roy, G DETAILS › Laurent Brossoit, G
    Roman Horak, F

    OCT. 31 Steve Downie, F
    DETAILS › Max Talbot, F

    OCT. 27 Thomas Vanek, F DETAILS › Matt Moulson, F
    2014 1st-round pick
    2015 2nd-round pick

    OCT. 21 Mike Brown, F DETAILS › 2014 4th-round pick

    SEPT. 29 Mathieu Perreault, F DETAILS › John Mitchell, F
    2014 4th-round pick

    SEPT. 29 Zac Dalpe, F
    Jeremy Welsh, F DETAILS › Kellan Tochkin, F
    2014 4th-round pick

    SEPT. 29 Joe Colborne, F DETAILS › 2014 conditional 4th-round pick

    SEPT. 28 Krystofer Barch, F
    2015 7th-round pick DETAILS › Scott Timmins, F
    2014 6th-round pick

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Bill J says:

      Yup, Edmonton is in a desperate need for solid mentor D now…

      Markov+Diaz+Pick(s) for one of their elite 4 ? 😀

      And yes I know I’m dreaming, I don’t need people to reply that to me!

      Go Habs Go!

  16. Bill says:

    No game on Saturday?? Frig you, NHL!

    Not only is there no hockey to watch on Saturday night, but now I’ll have to read all this complaining about PK and MT for another day.

    • Psycho29 says:

      Good morning Bill….and strange that the Habs’ game is a 6PM start tomorrow.

      • Bill J says:

        Stranger still, I wouldn’t want to be an Oiler fan (do they still exist?) as their game in Mountain time is at 11am. Craziness.

        You’d think the NHL wouldn’t schedule a western conference team into a eastern conference matchup at that time of day.

        Go Habs Go!

  17. Curtis O Habs says:

    Trade for Evander Kane.

  18. JF says:

    Watched the Leafs’ game last night. It was a typical Leafs’ game; they were outshot, and a lot of the play seemed to happen in their end, but I see why they keep winning. It’s not luck or unsustainable shooting percentages or their goaltender stealing games. It’s what Therrien calls net presence, something we never have enough of. When a Leafs forward gets the puck, he heads for the net, backed up by at least one teammate, usually two or three. When our guys get the puck, they come in along the boards and start passing it around. When a Leaf gets to the net and takes his shot, he stops and tries to grab the rebound or get in the goaltender’s face. When our guys get to the net and shoot, they continue on around the back of the net, thus putting themselves out of the reach of any rebound and not disturbing the goaltender at all.

    I think this is one of the main reasons for the Leafs’ success. Also, their goaltenders are playing very well, and their special teams are among the best in the League.

    The Habs are rebuilding, and most of us know we still don’t have the right balance. But there are some changes we could make that would improve us right away. One of them is as simple as stopping at the net after taking a shot rather than circling it. I think Phil posted something about this the other day; I watched the Leafs create all kinds of havoc and scoring chances by doing it. Why don’t our coaches make this change? Why do we have only one guy who is willing to go to the net and stay there?

    It’s not a question of size, since this guy is among the smallest on the team. It’s more a question of how you think the game, something that is up to the coaches at least as much as the players.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Perspicacious posting, JF. (and thanks for setting up a the chance for me to be FIRST! in 1,010,000 posts to use that word. Take THAT!, UCe.).

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabFab says:

      Hockey is really a simple game.
      If you don’t have the puck… go get it.
      And when you have the puck… go to the net.

    • Eddie says:

      It’s about personality. Many of our forwards play with zero nastiness in them, and you need this type of controlled anger when you go to the net.

      A guy like Steve Ott on one line and Prust on another top 9 line will really help us.

      If we don’t pick up the garbage (goals), our team will stink!

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Markov driving the net and Bourque knocking in the rebound is the Habs’ best goal all year. They looked like the Blackhawks on that play.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Eddie says:

          I totally agree. How crazy is that! It takes Markov to drive the net on this team, and that goal is so unique none of us will forget it.

          That’s why I wanted a Brendan Morrow type player rather than a Briere.

  19. HabFab says:

    Weekly Prospect Stats Update;

    Fucale – 18GP – 12-5 – 2.69 GAA – .893 Svs%
    Gregoire – 19GP – 15G + 14A – 27 PIM
    Hudon – 21GP – 7G + 15A – 41 PIM
    Reway – 16GP – 4G + 14A – 18 PIM

    Crisp – 19GP – 6G + 8A – 50 PIM
    McCarron – 16GP – 1G + 5A – 24 PIM
    Vail – 16GP – 8G + 11A – 15 PIM

    Bozon – 19GP – 3G + 7A – 15 PIM
    Thrower – 16GP – 6G + 10A – 27 PIM

    Bennett – 8GP – 0 + 3 – 6 PIM
    Cichy – 3GP – 0 + 0 – 0 PIM
    Didier – 7GP – 0 + 0 – 14 PIM
    MacMillan – 6GP – 2G + 1A – 6 PIM

    Sullivan – 2GP – 0 + 0 – 2 PIM

    Collberg – 14GP – 0 + 3A – 6 PIM
    de la Rose – 19GP – 3G + 3A – 6 PIM
    Lehkonen – 20GP – 3G + 8A – 4 PIM

  20. Sportfan says:

    Was trading Smid a good move on the Oilers part? I mean he wasn’t their worse D-man out there and Bryz is high risk and honeslty he couldn’t handle Philly how will he handle Canada?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  21. habs001 says:

    Habs rebuilding but playing with one of the oldest d groups in the NHL…management must believe that this team can do something in the playoffs…if they miss the playoffs it would be a total season failure as the young d prospects probably would have had very little NHL ice time thru the course of the season…..

  22. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Regarding PK Subban & Michel Therrien, the thing that really bothers me is the release of that “24CH” video where MT is really giving it to PK. That is unforgivable and down right disrespectful to PK & the fans of the Montreal Canadiens.

    The way I see it, PK loves Montreal & loves playing for the team and the fans. We as fans love having PK on the team. People can sugar-coat it all they want but the only possible & logical solution to this mess is to fire Michel Therrien. He has created some very bad vibes amongst players and fans so his departure can’t come soon enough. Wake up Bergevin & make the move.

    • CH Marshall says:

      Just such a dumb move to air that. If anything PK knows it makes MT look like an idiot

    • Cal says:

      PK okayed that video. I’m thinking more HIO posters are bothered by it than PK.

      • habstrinifan says:

        You are seriously saying the players ‘ok’ videos. This is one of the problems with HIO. Stand up and debate/discuss/conflict … whatever. But don’t belittle commonsense when trying to reach to defend a position. You are saying that you want me to accept from you that MB,MT, the HABS, went to P.K who then said ‘YES’ that is a perfectly fine with me releasing that video.

        I love sweetmad’s poem and her creativity it is very refreshing. But her implication that all is fine and etc because P.K played 27 minutes against Ottawa is similar. The people on TSN690 had it right.. P.K only played more minutes than Murray (out of desperation) in the 3rd because Ottawa was LEADING! It does not reflect that MT had changed.

        I would accept as an argument that Murray is a better D than P.K. I wont believe it but I will have to accept it since it is an evaluation same as mine that P.K is a better D than Murray is. But don’t tell me MT/P.K is fine because MT gave P.K 27 minutes in that game.
        Just as you belittle the discussion by telling me P.K ok’d that video.

        • HabFab says:

          Not reading your sarcasm level due to damn head cold BUT if you are serious… Cal is telling the truth.

          • Mark C says:

            Let’s hope, completely off the wall nuts if not.

          • habstrinifan says:

            Where does the word sarcasm fit in here. Sorry but I don’t know WTF you mean. Cal says P.K ok’d the video, which Cal cites as the basis of his argument that those perturbed by the video are alarmists. If Cal can show me proof that P.K ok’d the video then I will retract and shut up. If not then everything else he says is YAK YAK YAK. No sarcasm intended.

  23. formerly known as the hc says:

    Been away from this site for the last 2 weeks and change (for the most part)… been working 16’s. In a nut shell, everything is as I expected: “Fire everyone, trade everyone”.

  24. rogieshan says:

    Trade Brian Gionta (5 mil UFA) & Rafael Diaz (1.225 mil UFA) to NJ for Jaromir Jagr (2 mil UFA) & Bryce Salvador (3.167 mil per 13/14 & 14/15).

    Jersey gets cap relief (Salvador’s contract) next season. Habs get two big bodies, an extra million to spend this year, and early Christmas present for Plekanec.

  25. RiverviewCanadien says:

    On a different note (you know other than the PK vs MT main event, the effervescent DD and everything a 1pt player does, Price stopping only the stoppable shots, Markov playing too much for a geriatric, etc).

    This is a ditty from one of the best.

    Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!

  26. matt jordan says:

    Hate to say but, but it sucks the Habs fluked out and got 2nd in the east last year.

    Last season was a short season (less torture), and the draft was incredibly deep. The Habs could’ve added a legitimate building block instead of a long term project like McCarron.

    As it stands right now, the Habs are right back in the middle of the east, scrambling for eighth as they usually are. They have some speed, some skill, but (as usual) no size.

    Here’s to another season of getting knocked around and battling for eighth place. Hopefully these guys can squeeze out a few wins against the Leafs, Bruins, Red Wings and Senators (zero so far), just so us Hab fans have something to cheer about.

  27. punkster says:

    Sometimes this is the only remedy:


  28. RiverviewCanadien says:

    The young guns are not ready, that is why they are in Hamilton. Nothing wrong with the forwards we have, they are getting healthy and will get in a rhythm, the defense needs to be beefed up. Shot blocking is up because the blue line is easily obtained.

    Wait until Emelin is back, he loves to HIT BIG TIME and is great at deterring attacking forwards. Watch compilations of his hits, lots at or just inside the blue line.

    Me thinks some fans are under estimating the impact he will have.

    Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!

  29. The Jackal says:

    Leafs are such a crap team.
    Out-played and out-shot almost every game but they score these BS lucky goals. If OT were 10 minutes long the Devils would have won, they totally dominated the end of the game, stupid Leafs couldn’t even clear their own zone without turning the puck over three times.
    The SO and the NHL are a joke.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • ffenliv says:

      That’s as tired as people who say the Habs always hit hot goalies.

      If a team consistently makes the other goalie look good, it’s the fault of the shooters, not the quality of the goalies.

      I’ve no love for the Leafs, but consistently winning – albeit a month into the season – isn’t all nonsense BS luck, as you put it.

  30. jols101 says:

    I used to get so much joy from making fun of the Phil Kessle trade. Giving up Seguin, Hamilton and a 2nd rounder for a one dimensional hockey player. I used to rib my buddies who are Laff fans on a daily basis. Boy, are they ever getting the last laugh. Carlyle turned him into a 200 ft. player and he still has those silly offensive skills. His goal tonight was simply gorgeous. I will never admit this to my Laff buddies but I’m jealous they have him. I suspect it is the same for them regarding Subban.

    • The Jackal says:

      It’s still a bad trade for them. Kessel has a huge contract and he is super streaky. Yeah he is a good scorer but they lost a lot of depth.

      The Leafs have been absolutely dominated in this game, I’m surprised (not) that it went to a SO.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    Final score 6-1 in the Bulldogs’ loss, with Sven Andrighetto spoiling the shutout on a power play in the final minute. Announcers stressing that the game wasn’t as lopsided as the final score would indicate.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons


  32. Un Canadien errant says:

    The Bulldogs were dominating play against the Grand Rapids Griffins, outshooting them, but were down 2-0 in the second period when Drew Schiestel seemed to have scored on a wraparound. The call on the ice was no goal, it went to video review, and the call was upheld.

    Then the roof caved in. The Griffins scored on four consecutive shots, in 1 minutes and thirteen seconds. Robert Mayer let in three of them, and then Dustin Tokarski allowed another promptly upon being sent in to staunch the bleeding. So 6 goals on 18 shots so far, while the ‘Dogs have shot 28 times and been shut out.

    Play-by-play man Derek Wills took time, when Nathan Beaulieu was trying to get after a Griffin during a post-whistle scrum, to point out that there was a difference between showing character, and showing frustration and indiscipline. Very shortly after, he took the time to say he wasn’t naming names, but that some of the Bulldogs who had recently been sent down from the Canadiens weren’t playing like elite AHL’ers, as they should be.

    Gabriel Dumont took a knee-on-knee hit, for which Akim Aliu and Nick Tarnasky instantly went looking for payback, which is good, but kind of detracts from our theory that these types of players will prevent other teams from taking liberties with our smaller players. I guess it’s not an either-or situation, it’s analog and not digital, in that having some toughness on our team will deter some mindlessness and goonery but not prevent it entirely.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons


    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      Thanks for the summary, Norm. They had been playing well up until now. Hopefully they learn something from this. Yucky all over the place right now it seems…I’m hoping the Als can win tomorrow to make up a bit for the hockey blahs…

      24 cups and counting….

    • Phil C says:

      Having goons to prevent violence always reminds me of the NRA’s argument that you need more guns to prevent gun violence. Yet the US has more gun violence than anybody. Do goons prevent violence? Most certainly this is true, however they also cause a lot of violence. If every team got rid of their 1-2 guys that fight, I really believe that violence in hockey would decrease overall. Impossible theory to prove, but there it is.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Agreed. It’s a bit of a prisoner’s dilemma matrix. If everyone unloads their goons, it’s peachy, but if you’re the team without one and regularly face teams who don’t unilaterally disarm, you’re in trouble.

        • Phil C says:

          No argument here, the Habs need their tough guys in their division for sure.

          The only way it would work is if the league got rid of fighting across the board, resulting in a lot of hockey players who would no longer have a role nor a place on the roster. It would be an interesting experiment. Rule changes always have unintended consequences.

  33. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Bulldogs getting shelled by the Griffins 6 love…..end of the 2nd…gulp!

    24 cups and counting….

  34. sweetmad says:

    Posted this right at the end of the last thread so I don’t suppose anybody saw it.

    My glass is still full,my cup runneth over,
    Did you really think this team, would be mired in clover,
    We have been hit by injuries,day after day,
    Just wait till our guys get back to play,

    Max has been out, so it’s too soon to tell,
    If he is really it and well.
    PK played 27 minutes last night,
    Perhaps our coach did something right.

    Prust will be back soon to give us some life,
    He will add some edge to our knife,
    Emilin will be back behind the net,
    He will give some big hits,you can bet.

    We know it’s a sniper that we need,
    We know we have enough players who can feed,
    The puck to anyone we can aquire,
    But you can’t pick them off the shelf,at Canadian Tyre.

    Maybe Bounival ,could be that guy,
    We won’t know, till we give him the chance to try.
    We may not win the cup this year,
    But really soon we will have a chnace to cheer.

    But not with MT behind the bench,
    Our coach could be from Mars as long as he parlez French.
    I will never give up, my glass will not drain,
    This is my team, no matter the pain.

  35. jamman says:

    Lol oilers deadmonton are desperate.

  36. jols101 says:

    Smid took a ‘hometown discount’ on his last contract and then got kicked in the teeth. He loved it in Edmonton (don’t ask me why) but his fair market value at the time he signed his contract was 4 or even 4.5 million, he settled for 3.5. A perfect example of why players should get all they can and why I don’t think Markov will do us any favors during his negotiations.

    • Trollhunter says:

      the only favor he can do for us is term. His market value is Worth what he is supposedly asking for. Hopefully he gives in to a 2-3 year deal not a 5. If he pushes for a 5 year deal its been nice knowing ya Marky

  37. otisfxu says:

    my posts ridiculing JM are being removed,,,JM must be someone who doesn’t know anything about hockey, but is important,,,,,maybe the M is for Molson

    • Mark C says:

      Maybe they just don’t like bad punctuation.

    • The Dude says:

      Same here, when asking for trades …I guess from now on they only want the jesusprice rosecoloured habs #1 don’t care if they never win another and every one else are trolls gang, just to Borg on with their stepford wives and live a blind life of fantasy and illusion.And they call themselves ‘Reporters’ …shame on you,tisk tisk tisk!

  38. jols101 says:

    The Smid deal is still mystifying. They had enough cap space to sign Bryzgalov and keep Smid. Unless they plan on seriously over-paying Bryzgalov. They now have 8.2 in cap space. There has to be a trade for a top 4 dman in the works as well.

    • Phil C says:

      I wonder if its a budget issue not a cap issue. Some owners actually like to make money.

      • jols101 says:

        I was thinking that as well. However, being in a Canadian market with a sold-out barn every home game and a cap at a very reasonable 64 million, I thought they would be willing to spend to the limit. Maybe not.

        • Phil C says:

          From what I remember from the Forbes numbers on the NHL, Edmonton was one of the “have” teams, but not if they spent to the cap. Of course with the new CBA, you may be right.

    • Habilis says:

      You’re making the mistake of assuming that the Edmonton brass operates using common sense and logic. Seems more like tarot cards and voodoo at this point.

      What a train wreck they are.

  39. Psycho29 says:

    Interesting Friday Stat (or maybe not) :

    Shaun Starr ‏@Starr690
    “Worst +/- in NHL history? Bill Mikkelson,Wash -82 (1974–75). Edmonton’s Nail Yakupov is projected to finish this year at -75.”

    I looked up Mikkelson, in 147 NHL games (most with the expansion Capitals), he was minus-147.

  40. durocher says:

    That’s all Edmonton got for Smid? He was basically their top defensive defenseman. More has to be in the works than this trade and the Bryz signing for this to make sense overall.

  41. JUST ME says:

    I so agree with mister Hickey. A wise reporter who has seen rain…But the advice comes a bit late doesn`t it ? Marinaro and the other schmuk McKenna have made a fixation over this for weeks now and i have seeen things written here by some of you that Therrien could take to court easilly and win with both hands in his back.

    This is when i get off. Every year it`s the same thing . Some wacko reporter creates a story out of nothing and you guys get in the bandwagon without having the version of who is concerned .

    And now that times are difficult it will be the trade mania. Our trash will suddenly be worth a fortune for the other teams !Hundreds of foolish trade ideas and of course the classic why couldn`t we get this guy comment every time someone else makes a trade.

    I suggest you go and read an article in la Presse today where the reporter is citing Bergevin from the golf tournament when he said that the Habs would struggle this season to make the playoffs. At that time nobody wanted to believe him but he knows where he is going…Much more than most here including me.

    But we seem to enjoy the negative guy who only knows to ask if the coach has been fired …So funny !!!!

    This place has changed and every little negative comment that we think so harmless attracts other negative comments and it get to not be funny very much anymore.

    I for one am a real Hab fan ,have been for 40 years through thick and thin . I remain realistic ,sometimes frustated but always hopefull and optimistic towards the future..Now more than ever in the last decades i think that we have every reason to be optimistic about the future with the young talented core of athletes we have.
    Every day is a new day. I guess you learn to appreciate that with age…Go habs go !

  42. JM says:

    would anyone like a trade with Winnipeg. Bourque and DD to Winnipeg for Evander Kane ….

  43. Psycho29 says:

    If you don’t want to watch the Loafs on TSN there is Monton vs Halifax on Sportsnet…

  44. JM says:

    Not looking forward to sunday. would be really sad if the Islanders beat us.

    • otisfxu says:

      Why??? That is the problem with Habs fans right now,,,,,,we actually think we are an elite team and shouldn’t even think of losing to the Islanders,,,guess what Billybob,,, we are no better than the Islanders,,,,I’d take their lineup any day over our roster. Taveras and Vanek could possibly kill us on Sunday – i.e. they are what we do not have – goal scorers

      Time to face reality – we are not that good – time for MB to admit that to fans

  45. duffy says:

    Must be all Pateryns fault they lost last night.!!!

  46. commandant says:

    What are the Oilers thinking? My analysis of their WTF trade.


    Go Habs Go!
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    • Fransaskois says:

      If all that caused the trade was cap space, to me, there had have been other options to make the room. Better returns for Smid and less valuable players that could be traded.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Defensive physical D-men are at a premium these days. To trade him just like that makes no sense.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I haven’t seen many Oilers games (OK I’ve seen one), but Smid is 6th in time on ice per game. And the guys ahead of him suck. Plus he is signed for $3.5M/y until 2017.

      So it is probably just a dump.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Brossoit is a good goalie, and Horak is a work in progress. This trade is not that out of line. Smid was/is useful, but he is not a game changer. The jury is out on Roy’s boy….

      • commandant says:

        Olivier Roy is not related to Patrick Roy and he is in his third year of pro hockey and still struggling greatly. He’s not quite a bust yet, but very close to one.

        Brossoit is a long-term project. He’s better than Roy, but he’s no blue chipper.

        Horak is what, maybe a fourth liner? When you can’t crack Calgary’s forwards at age 22.

        The Oilers got nothing for Smid.

        Go Habs Go!
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  47. Habs1962 says:

    this PK thing is media driven.. as Price says.. chill out fans
    we are smarter than the media.
    don’t get caught up in it.
    we are .500 with a chunk of injuries throughout.
    lots to like about this team
    coulda snuck one against the Blues and out played the sens as usual .
    watch and enjoy

  48. VancouverHab says:

    So I read the Pat Hickey article on Therrien and Subban, Its conclusion (likely an attempt to piggyback of Price’s glorious rebuke to journalists earlier) is that everybody should “chill out and let Therrien coach and Subban play.”

    Translation: leave Therrien alone.

    However, it is hard to avoid the judgement that Mr. Hickey’s argument reduces as follows: “Scotty Bowman messed with his players’ heads and Scotty Bowman was a great coach so its okay. Michel Therrien is messing with a player’s head. Therefore Michel Therrien messing with a player’s head is okay.”

    Let’s put that (invalid) form of Pat Hickley syllogism in other terms:

    “Tibbles the cat hates mice. Michel Therrien hates mice. Therefore
    Michel Therrien is a cat.”

    The error of logic, in other words, that Mr. Hickey’s article makes is that SCOTTY BOWMAN IS A LEGENDARY COACHING GENIUS AND SO HIS PLAYERS RESPECTED HIM AND SO TOOK HIS ABUSE. Michel Therrien, at the absolute contrary, is small beer in coaching terms, and not even a good, let alone a great, NHL coach, so his treatment of Subban is harmful in many ways, short term and long term.

    The lede in Mr. Hickey’s article is actually buried, culpably so: “the coach doesn’t like Subban.” This should be the headline, and the sole substance, of the article. It should be the headline in every major sport media organ across the North American hockey world.

    Why is this major conclusion buried here? Well, my guess is as good as yours (if your guess is as good as mine is, that is), but I put it down to the cosiness between journalists and Therrien, coming in part from the fact that Therrien did media work before he was (alarmingly) hired to coach the Habs again, and in part because (as is undeniable) journalists who annoy players, coaches, & GMs are frozen out.

    P.K. Subban: a two-year contract to UFA and then a ruinous MB trade of him during that term. You heard it hear first ;–)

  49. HabFab says:

    Brennan Klak – Oilers trade Ladislav Smid to Flames for prospects. Hilarious.

    NOTE; Oilers clearing up space for PK

  50. Fransaskois says:

    TSN is reporting Ladislav Smid (EDM) to Calgary for prospects Horak and Brossoit.

  51. boing007 says:

    The Habs fourth line couldn’t even soften up a toasted marshmallow.

    Richard R

  52. habstrinifan says:

    Who’s with me? Bring back the Count!

  53. Habfan17 says:

    As much as Therrien has me scratching my head with some of his moves and the lack of respect he shows Subban, he was only signed for two seasons and I would have to wonder if Bergevin didn’t bring
    in Lefebvre as head coach in Hamilton to take over for Therrien when his contract is done.

    Lefebvre is the same type of player as Bergevin was, he played for the Habs so he gets what it takes to play there. He was an assistant coach in Colorado for 3 seasons and two more seasons as an assistant coach with their farm team. This gives him a chance to be a head coach and get to know the players in the system.

    As much as we may not like what Therrien is doing lately, this may have been Bergevin’s plan from the beginning.


    • JF says:

      I had the same thought when Lefebvre was hired to coach the Bulldogs. He’s said to be good with young players, and, judging from the progress of youngsters like Bournival, Tinordi, and Beaulieu, he seems to be doing what an AHL coach should be doing (despite the Bulldogs’ record last season) – that is, focusing more on developing his players than on winning games. But he has no experience as a head coach in the NHL. If he were brought in to replace Therrien, there would no doubt be a learning curve.

    • Fransaskois says:

      You better f****** hope not. Lefebvre shouldn’t even be a HC in the AHL, let alone the Head Coach of the Habs. He’s done nothing of note with the Bulldogs and I’ve heard several negative reports out of Hamilton regarding how he deals with players and how he coaches.

      That would be going from Mediocre —> Terrible

  54. jsaz says:

    Georges as captain haha you must be on the sauce a little early on this Friday. Pk-prust in my opinion should wear the C when that time comes

  55. AceTen says:

    Seriously though what’s up with PK? The guy isn’t even averaging a point a game. He’s only leading our team in scoring as a D by 4 points. He’s 2nd by 1 point for total points among ALL NHL defensemen. Is he nursing an injury or something? There must be something wrong with this guy.

    I know what’s wrong, he needs more ice time on the penalty kill! Our PK is only ranked 3rd in the league and we haven’t let in a short-handed goal in 2 weeks. This needs to be fixed.

  56. HabFab says:

    Derek Wills –

    Canadiens prospect Louis Leblanc on a 4-game goal streak. Leblanc has 5 goals, 3 assists in last 4 games for Bulldogs!

  57. Danno says:

    Can we send them all to Hamilton and start from scratch?


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  58. galchenyuk27 says:

    Just saw chelios was thinking of continuing his hockey career. Do you think we should sign him lol

  59. AceTen says:

    With all the talk on Briere and Desharnais I think Parros should really be up there as awful moves made by MB. I know we practically gave up nothing for him but he’s hurting the team way more than he’s helping. First off the guy can’t even fight, which is what we brought him here to do. Next our record with him in the lineup is 0-4-1!! He doesn’t even have 1 shot on net! Like the guy played less than 5 mins against Minnesota and he was -3! Is that even possible?

    He’s played a total of 21:03 mins for us all year and to date he is -5. He’s averaging a goal against for every 4:20 of ice time! I’m not going to lie I was just excited as the rest of you when I saw that we picked him up. Maybe he’s still not 100% after that brutal injury but for the time being please keep this guy off the ice. At least until the moustache grows back.

    • otisfxu says:

      don’t waste your breath – there are guys on this site who think Parros is second coming, and he is keeping our star players from being pounded into the ice,,,for 4 minutes a game anyways

    • Bill says:

      Just as excited as who was? Cause I sure wasn’t excited when Parros was signed. Nice guy, useless hockey player.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  60. crabvader says:

    Just bring back the Forum.

    That’s all there is to it.

  61. thejackal says:

    I’m not for firing MT but like Mr. Boone says some of his choices esp in game are bizarre.

    Please Parros should not be playing (already -5 in 5GP) and his undying loyalty to DD while almost picking on PK is bizarre

    This stuff seems to have coincided with this losing streak as if he tinkered with a good thing

    If I’m wrong please someone let me know

  62. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Four hundred and FIRST!

  63. HabFab says:

    An article from his school newspaper on Mac Bennett;

  64. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    “Pateryn sent to Hamilton”…he was here??? Maybe if he was 5’7” he would have played a game…

  65. JM says:

    Two words describe the Habs (SOFT and INJURY PRONE) that’s why they can’t play tough even if they wanted to. They have enough skill and speed that’s not the problem. Why can’t management see that. as long as they keep bringing in soft and injury prone players you’ll never see another Stanley Cup in Montreal if you don’t believe me. I don’t know what else to say. One thing I do know Habs fans are gonna be disappointed for many years to come. Ten years from now if management still keep doing what they are doing. We’ll still be on this site complaining about the Habs how bad they are ….

  66. Ian_Habs4life says:

    With all that change in florida maybe we can trade desharnais there.

  67. krob1000 says:

    hoiw many goals would prust score over a full season playing with any two of PLeks,eller, gio, patches, Eller, Gallagher?…..my guess 15-20. WHy not try him in arole like that …he will make space for others and cary the workload as well

    • crabvader says:


      I say 11 tops.

      Still, he would make his linemates better and they would not have to worry about going into the dirty areas as much. He is a complimentary player that can really bring out the best in his linemates.

  68. Roy_s_WINK says:

    Time to abandon ship you half-hearted fans.

    We are the greatest sports franchise in the history of modern athletics.

    Some of you are not even passionate enough about this team to even cheer for the Leafs.

    We have a STRONG team being built here and we are still sorting out what we need.

    Gallagher and Galchenyuk are gods.

    Josh Gorges will be your captain.

    Subban will sign 8m/8 years.

    Price will find his game.


    MB will sort all of this mess out.

    There is no controversy if you don’t read the news.

    Just watch the game. Enjoy.

  69. Ton says:

    Managed to see the st louis hab game this past Tuesday…….great seats. i wanted to see this edition of the habs live and amazing how you can see the entire ice. My conclusions…….we cannot hold a forecheck with this team……..I was disappointed in the like of Borque (which I like) and Diaz whom were stick checking there opponents rather than making contact. Were still dealing with the same issue…..were too small and getting outplayed badly when playing the SanJose’s or the likes of the Blues………hope we get Prust and Emelin back fast!

    • CH Marshall says:

      that’s the sort-of-fuzzy impression I get when watching the games on TV. We’ve got some good players, but not enough strength all-around to sustain pressure and forechecking.. just a bit too up-and-down when you have to slot around DD for example

  70. jamman says:

    Trying to look up some possible UFAs after this season the habs could use. Next year Matt Moulson n Vanek are UFA’s. I wouldn’t jump at either as their both over 30 and Vanek will be asking long-term n big bucks. However Bobby Ryan is a UFA in 2015… thatd be sick but its a long shot. Looks like were gunna have to draft folks. I think MB should coax one of the bottom teams into giving up their first round pick with a package including Dietz, another prospect and second round pick.

  71. krob1000 says:

    Gallagher is the problem. His work ethic is causing MT to constanttly point out “why can’t you hustle like Brendan” all the time…it is causing serious resentment with vets and even other youngsters who are not preapred to work like him. This is why they do not stick up for him or his hero act. It is all Gallagher’s fault…all of it. He thinks he is Rudy out there. Must move Gallagher ..his work ethic is magnifying the lifeless play of too many.

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