Habs get day off after Super Bowl weekend; Diaz traded to Canucks

Canadiens coach Michel Therrien decided to cancel a previously scheduled practice in Brossard Monday morning, giving his players the day off after back-to-back Super Bowl weekend games at the Bell Centre.

Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin announced Monday afternoon that he has traded defenceman Raphael Diaz to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for right-winger Dale Weise.

“A young veteran with 162 games of experience at the NHL level, Dale Weise is a winger with a physical style of play who brings additional toughness and grit to our group of forwards,” Bergevin said in a statement.

Weise, 25, has 3-9-12 totals in 44 games this season along with 42 penalty minutes and 65 hits. He is 6-foot-2 and 210 pounds.

The Canadiens will have a morning skate at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday in Brossard before facing the Calgary Flames Tuesday night at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690). The Canadiens will then face the Vancouver Canucks Thursday night at the Bell Centre before playing their final game before the Olympic break Saturday night in Carolina against the Hurricanes.

(Photo by Richard Wolowicz/Getty Images)

Habs acquire Weise from Vancouver, Canadiens.com

Price caughs up tough loss to Jets, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Gallagher takes beating in loss to Jets, by Pat Hickey

Cherry was wrong to take shot at Habs’ Prust, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Canadiens vs. Jets photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

Laying it on the line, Canadiens.com

Jets flying higher and higher, Winnipeg Free Press

Flames revel in five-game winning streak, Calgary Herald

383 Comments

  1. Habitoban says:

    Looks like an adequate crash and banger for the 4th line. I see, though, that he has had some injury issues this year (shoulder, leg), which is often the price you pay for robust play.

  2. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    On another note, if Beaulieau is looking this good in the show, wouldn’t his partner Tinordi be equally as comfortable if given the shot?

    Subban – Beaulieau
    Emelin – Tinordi
    Gorges – Markov

    Yes please!

  3. DeadEnd says:

    Conspiracy theory of the day/hour/minute:

    Practice today was cancelled due to the large number of trades about to happen that will turn the team around.

    Diaz was only the beginning….

  4. Mark C says:

    Weise in 44 games this year has one fewer points than Ryan White has in his entire 122 game NHL career. Yet some on here are claiming White is better. Oh HIO.

    • krob1000 says:

      I think this guy is a gamble on ayoung power forward…a hope to add to the pool of prospects hopeing one emerges and has a 10-15 goal a year guy….ehe scored 128 in the AHL and then was a=on a similar pace again. THis guy could be a steal…couldalso be abust but way better than a draft pick IMO.

    • huge_polar_bear says:

      There you go, posting a logical observation… where are the mods? We can’t let this continue… On the serious side, I can’t understand what people expected to get for Diaz. He was approaching UFA status, we have Pateryn, Beulieu and Tinordi knocking on the door. Why not try a 25 year old that already has over 100 games in the NHL and has some size and grit….

  5. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Front must be dancing…LOL. Where’s Timo? Was he on the ship where everybody caught a virus? He is probably dancing too…

  6. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Hard to know what the market is like. But Diaz was rendered useless by the play of Beaulieau and would’ve walked in the summer. Weise isn’t going to impact the team that much, but 4th line injury depth is better than getting nothing, I guess.

    At least this will (maybe) prevent (supposed) scoring prospects (Leblanc, et al) from being put on the 4th line when they come up.

  7. krob1000 says:

    I view this as another shot at a guy who could break thourgh and be a 10-15 goal guy whocan also fight. I veiw him in the same category as Connor Crisp,etc only he is ready to insert in the lineup. He has put up 20 ish goals in the AHL and nearly 30 in the O and maybe he evlolves into more…if not he is a crash and banger that should be cheap for a while. This may possibly be a precuror to another deal very soon as well.

  8. huge_polar_bear says:

    From TSN:
    “A young veteran with 162 games of experience at the NHL level, Dale Weise is a winger with a physical style of play who brings additional toughness and grit to our group of forwards,” said Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin.

  9. Stevie.Ray says:

    Positives
    Diaz was unlikely going to resign.
    Weise may knock Parros out of the line up.
    Beaulieu ready to replace Diaz.

    Negatives
    Diaz was probably our third or fourth best defensive defenseman.
    MT ruined Diaz’s trade value.
    This team has consistently given up value for less, which short term doesn’t hurt, but it adds up.
    Weise could very well be out of the NHL within a year.

    It’s not the most significant trade ever, especially because MT wasn’t playing Diaz, but it follows the pattern of trading good players for lumps of meat. MB is really hurting a team that two years ago looked like it had a brighter future.

  10. jrshabs1 says:

    I’m not sad to see Diaz go.

    Dale Weise #32 – RW
    Vancouver
    Age: 25
    DOB: 1988/08/05
    POB: Winnipeg, Man, Canada
    Height: 6-2 Weight: 210lbs
    Shoots: R
    NHL Seasons: 3
    Drafted by NY Rangers in 2008 (4/111).

    MOAR BIGGAR!!!!!

  11. Psycho29 says:

    Now after a year of bitçhing of complaining on HI/O about how awful and useless Diaz is….he’s traded, and now he’s the second coming of Bobby Orr.

    I don’t get it….

  12. Ozmodiar says:

    MB figured we had too many right-handed D-men. Oh, and too many olympians too.

    /problem solved

  13. habs12 says:

    Don’t understand why they didn’t hold on to Diaz and hope he has a good Olympics and then move him afterwards (sell high)…If he doesn’t, well his value is already pretty low, it’s not like they wouldn’t be able to get Weise a month from now…

  14. punkster says:

    MB…and many here…just got jobbed.

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  15. hansolo says:

    Well, folks, could we be the Edmonton Oilers? This is from Die by the Blade, the Sabres’ SBnation blog. They invited an Oilers’ blogger to talk about their “rebuild.” An emphasis on grit doesn’t necessarily get you to the Promised Land. When you have problems on defense, trading a D for a 4th liner (at best) forward won’t solve them.

    “the rebuild hasn’t worked out for a couple reasons. i’ll try to be brief.

    the team is focused on signing “grit” players that offer little other than toughness. you have one in john scott, the oilers have about five in luke gazdic, jesse joensuu, steve macintyre, ben eager, ryan jones. macintyre and eager aren’t roster players, but if the nhl allowed you to dress 14 or 15 forwards, they’d probably be.
    look at the oilers’ defence. it’s a train wreck. the team allowed 100 shots over two games. that should be a federal crime.
    there appears to be an issue this year where the team is hell bent on acquiring former toronto marlies. coach dallas eakins coached the marlies last year, and since he’s been oilers coach, the team has acquired will acton, ryan hamilton, ben scrivens, and this past weekend mark fraser to the club.
    kevin lowe isn’t very good at his job. seriously, watch him get all huffy when he’s asked about missing the playoffs for seven straight years.
    this is a team that paid sheldon souray to play for dallas. they traded lubomir visnovsky for ryan whitney. they picked guys like mitch moroz, who probably is a career fourth liner (maybe) in the second round.”

  16. Mattyleg says:

    MOAR BIGGAR!!

    Love to hear what our size-obsessed Headmaster thinks of this trade.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  17. Psycho29 says:

    Mitch Melnick‏ @HunterZThompson ·9 mins

    Raphael Diaz is an offensive defenseman with no shot.UFA at end of season.No chance Habs were resigning w/$ubban & Beaulieu/Tinordi/Pateyrn.

  18. punkster says:

    Moen…without the hands of Moen.

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  19. sirs81 says:

    Lol people want the team to get bigger now they complain…. Diaz is not worth a lot….

  20. Hobie Hansen says:

    One Smurf removed from the roster, good job!

  21. habs001 says:

    Sounds like a favour to Diaz…Their are probably dozens of this type of player available that the Habs obtained.

  22. jimmy shaker says:

    Where was eklund in this trade? I heard/read nothing!

    now thomas gets sent down…..is someone going on waivers? frankie, white or parros especially since chucky is back soon.

    Shaker out!

  23. clutch73 says:

    I read Weiss instead of Weise i allmost threw up my coffee

  24. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Finally MB does something. BTW what did you guys think MB was going to get for Diaz…Crosby? At least he got a player that fits a need. MB still has more moves to make up for his lousy summer/season.

  25. huge_polar_bear says:

    I always thought Diaz would fetch a draft pick. So basically we got a big 25 year old. 4th liner now has 3rd line upside, why do people not like this?

  26. habs-fan-84 says:

    …and the complaints roll in.
    What did you expect MB was going to get for Diaz?

  27. monmick says:

    Anyone know whether he is still on a two-way contract? I think MB is simply make a spot on D to insert Davis Drewiski…

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  28. duffy says:

    WOW what a blockbuster by MB, NEVER HEARD OF THIS GUY BEFORE TODAY.

  29. Cal says:

    Addition by subtraction. Beaulieu takes his job.

    Next? (And please let there be a “next”.

  30. jols101 says:

    We need some size and toughness in our top 9 – like a Chris Stewart from St. Louis.
    We already have enough 4th liners. We actually have a solid 4th line when White is healthy- Moen-White-Prust. I love that 4th line. Add Parros when needed.

  31. DipsyDoodler says:

    Well we just traded for the 2nd least used player on the Canucks (behind Tom Sestito).

    Problem is he doesn’t even play on the PK (zero shorthanded time on ice).

  32. Ozmodiar says:

    Yannick Weber just threw the remote control through his TV.

  33. Old Bald Bird says:

    Perhaps a very perspicacious tweet from Engels.

    Briere has 3 less pts than Eller–1 less goal. Eller’s completely trapped in limbo of who he thinks he is and who he thinks MT wants him 2 b

  34. Stevie.Ray says:

    Diaz was a slightly below average puck moving defenceman, but he is still a legitimate NHL defenceman. Maybe top 4 on a weak team, probably third pairing on a good team.

    Weise is a 4th line player. He is basically White with some more size. Maybe not as good as White.

    Probably not a good trade in how much we gave up for how much we got in return, but what do you expect when you bench a guy for 8 straight games. His value won’t be high

  35. monmick says:

    My son, who is an avid Sens fan, just sent me short text message that read, simply: #61

    I knew instantly what he was saying…

    ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  36. Ozmodiar says:

    A trade?!?!

    / spit take.

  37. sprague cleghorn says:

    NHL Totals 162games, 26pts 185pim

    … ‘ow could we forget that?

  38. Stimpy007 says:

    Diaz for Weise? What do ya think??

  39. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Alright, now I don´t only want Therrien gone but Bergevin, too.

  40. CranbrookEd says:

    Diaz to Vancouver for Weise . . .

    CranbrookEd
    Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . .

  41. sprague cleghorn says:

    Born August 5, 1988 (age 25)
    Winnipeg, MB, CAN
    Height 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
    Weight 210 lb (95 kg; 15 st 0 lb)
    Position Right Wing
    Shoots Right
    NHL team
    Former teams Vancouver Canucks
    New York Rangers
    NHL Draft 111th overall, 2008
    New York Rangers

    … ‘ow could we forget that?

  42. Just A Guy says:

    Diaz for who?

  43. jols101 says:

    Diaz for Weise from the Canuks. Not sure about that.

  44. stephen says:

    Diaz to Canucks for Wiese?

  45. Propwash says:

    Diaz traded to Vancouver for Daryl Weise

    ____________________
    DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

  46. CranbrookEd says:

    Well . . . at least the HABS aren’t wearing Fighter Pilot Helmets after a win . . . it was mildly entertaining listening/watching Montoya being interviewed while wearing the helmet after yesterdays game . . .

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/02/winnipeg-jets-stars-can-look-like-a-fighter-pilot/

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/jets/jets-aces-qualify-for-fighter-pilots-helmet-243172991.html

    CranbrookEd
    Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . .

  47. krob1000 says:

    Ozomodiar you wrote”You don’t see how losing one of the team’s top scorers can affect PK’s production? Okay. Must be the benching, I guess”
    …Did I say that?
    I think the team has bascially gone into the offensive tank once they committed to DD-Patches-Gallagher as a unit. The two top wingers and golascorers on one line with the teams least effective center in my opinion. When DD and Pathces were slumping the team was still not suffering….through all of the line shuffling while the team was successfully humming along there was a ton of shuffling. Then for whatever reason the team insisted on that cahnge…and depsite shuffling around several successful lines as soon as that one got going (at the expense of others) they decided all of the sudden to have that line stick together?
    Despite Eller’s huge slump he is still 7 points behind DD….DD has exactly 7 more pp points than him. When DD was not getting as much pp time the team was doing far better in both special teams and overall. Pleks IMO is the best pp center and either Breier or even Galchenyuk wouod be as effective IMo if given FIRST UNIT duty. The pp is also where PK racks up a ton of his points…the pp has gone in the nak and so too is PK’s production.
    Bournival was playing well with Pleks and Gio and he doesn;t play. The team is now trying to get BReire rollnng with Pleks and Gio again..I think he will put up points at the same pace no matter where he plays. The Bourque struggls are well documented….the good news is he is getting chnaces and he could easily have a few golas over the last 5 or 6 games. Eller is not a finisher though and his celing is likely a 20-25 goal guy but he could be the type to rack up 40-50 assists if given the right role IMO. I thinK Briere could put up points at a better clip than DD and I think Pleks would be on 70 point pace with Galalgher and Patches. WHy every other line is playing on pins and needles adn that one remains together is difficult for me to understand. yes I realize they are socring..but it is clearly at the expense of the rest of the teams offense.

  48. habs001 says:

    Based on their talent,previous seasons and where they are at this stage of their career(beginning or end) the only forward that has under performed is Borque in scoring goals..expectations wise he should have 7-8 more goals..
    Plecks on his way to his usual goals scoring number
    MaxPax on his way to 30+ goals
    Prust on his way to his usual goal ave
    Gion and Briere are not even close to the players they were but based on experience will get their 12-14 goals this year..not realistic to expect more from them
    Gallagher and Galchenyuk 2nd year players Gallagher on his way to 20 goals and Gachenyuk was before his injury
    Eller will score a few goals on a streak and will have his 16-17 goal season that has been his usual production in his hockey career..
    White,Moen,Parros scoring wise are what they are..
    Bournival too young to expect much from..his early success was great but he did get points on most of his scoring chances and a few that usually dont result in scoring…
    DD will finish in the teens in goals…again expectations

    Based on the talent on this roster besides Borque who should have any significant more goals?

  49. Sportfan says:

    Jeff Marek posted this link on twitter it’s really interesting. Most goals scored in each arena by a player.
    http://goalspernhlarena.blogspot.ca/p/home-page.html

  50. Sportfan says:

    So what did you guys think of the Super Bowl last night?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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  51. Wintercount says:

    Since the advent of video, figuring out the x and o’s is pretty much the easy part of the job. The difficult part is trying to figure out what makes a player tick…. That criteria is pretty much how I gauge the capabilities of a decent coach. The best example I can give is this years interaction between Alain Vigneault and Benoit Pouliot. Benny has struggled since his father(his best friend) died when he was 15, so you kind of knew somewhere along the line he would need a connection, an intervention so to speak. Maybe, for the kid’s sake, Vigneault is that connection. So many gave up on that kid.
    A wise coach once said, maybe you will become less concerned with what other people think of you when you realize how seldom they do.
    Why not a coach like this in Montreal.
    Why not, indeed.

  52. thehabsfan29 says:

    Looks like Vanek’s days in new York could be numbered

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=442894

  53. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! 2 goals in the last 2 games again? Snipers are Awol again. When Mike first started last year he said you need to score 3 goals each game to win. So,whats up? And why is no one protecting Gally? He’s going to get hurt with the muggings he’s taking. Call up Tarnasky and Dumont! Sit any 2 forwards who are afraid to get their nose dirty. Saludos!

  54. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay so i don’t really feel like talking about the Habs, so I did find this bizarre crazy commercial which ran yesterday in Georgia for an Ambulance Chasing Lawyer. It is wild, if you want to kill 2 minutes and not have to think about MT, MB, PK, or any other Hab related initials, go for it!

    http://deadspin.com/georgia-lawyers-local-super-bowl-ad-is-batshit-amazing-1514869904

  55. John Q Public says:

    I just can’t go on like this anymore. I have loved you since I can remember but I cheated on you yesterday. While you were playing I watched something else. I’ve seen this story before and it doesn’t end well. Sure you might tease me with some inconsequential moves but I’ve had it. Too little to late. The papers are in the mail. It’s time to move on.
    Au revoir.

  56. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I can’t believe anyone bet for the Broncos. How many times has the best defense always beaten the best offense? Plus the game was outside. Throw in the white jersey trend (9/10 winners of last SBs) and it was a classic phoney-favorite. Vegas must have made a killing.

  57. habsguru says:

    took in both games this weekend with my fatehr and son, and after discussing and arguing a great deal, here are our observations:

    the Habs are not that far from competing with anyone, they need tinkering, not an overhall

    MT’s system is so bad, that my 11 year old picked it apart, easily. he disected their breakout and d zone coverage with ease. smart kid, but he’s eleven. change the system or change the coach, but please change

    PK on his worse day is better than anybody on the CH with the exception of Price. he works harder in the warm up than most players do in a game, and has talent beyond anything I have seen since Kovalev, except PK is a stud every night

    Hard for me to post, but DD was FANTANSTIC on saturday, sunday he was invisable.

    Gally is not going to get any calls, no matter what, must have slept with a ref’s wife.

    Nate B is a legit NHL player, and will be replacing somebody this/next year, for the better.

  58. habstrinifan says:

    Just ate my breakfast and so my neurons are sharp and loads of witty insightful intelligence are travelling at breakneck speed across all my synaptic gaps.

    WTF is a synaptic gap you ask? How the F do I know? All I know is that the average Joe has more synaptic gaps than the Canadiens have goals 5-on-5.

    And as I have been repeatedly telling you… I am no average Joe.

    So this question crossed my mind.

    a) Which player has improved under MT from last year to this year.

    b) Which facet of the Canadien’s games has improved from last year to this year under Mt.

    I blew my brain out trying to come up with one example of either.

    And now I’m back to writing inanity on HIO.

    oH wELL!

    • krob1000 says:

      Hmm unfair line of questioning. I think only those with access to the Hadron Collider and the wolrds largest super computers have even the slightest chance of figuring this out. However, I may add that several of the guys now help old women cross streets, they all hold every door open that they can, they have significantly improved their pottymouthing, they all eat without their elbows on the table,etc. So perhaps you are right and they are no better as hockey players this year but they are clearly better people…no Hadron Collider required to see that.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I heard rumours circulating around Brossard of a HAB forward rescuing a cat from a tree without a ladder.

        I am deign to believe this rumour unless it involed a Dane, which is unlikely since the only Dane on the HABS is deign to get involved lately.

        • krob1000 says:

          Hmmm even more difficult to figure out then….unless….that’s it ..Eureka! I got it. Gallagher was carrying both DD and Patches on his shoulders again. At least this time there was something positive to come of it!

    • boing007 says:

      Blame it on the Artic Vortex.

      Richard R

  59. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Mattyleg

    In answer to your post on the other thread, first of all it’s always nice to share an event with a child/teenager/young adult as you did.
    Those are moments never forgotten….and they’ll remind you even if you ever forget.

    As for a player losing his confidence – P.K. in particular, the signs are there for everyone to see.

    1) Concentration: Seeing a game live vs. TV shows the incredible speed of the game and how concentration-instinct-and quick decision making is essential.
    P.K. has had several laspses concerning concentration and that points to a loss of confidence.

    2) Trying to do too much:
    P.K. has awsome skill, yet his mistakes are causing him to try and do too much…to the detriment of the team. His use of raw skill instead of simple plays also points to a loss of confidence

    And yes, I blame Therrien…. and it goes right back to the “Philadelphia Event” of embarrassing one, if not the best player on the team not named Carey.

    There are no standard rules or equality of treatment on this Habs squad. Anyone paying attention can see this.

    And if you don’t believe the Philadelphia Incident hasn’t effected P.K., then perhaps you can comment or explain how his numbers have gone completely south.

    Pre Philly Incident:
    44 Games. Goals:7 Assists: 26. Points:33 Plus +14.

    Post Philly Incident:
    12 Games, Goals:1 Assists: 4. Points: 5. Minus -11.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      … then perhaps you can comment or explain how his numbers have gone completely south.

      Galchenyuk

      Lack of scoring balance is affecting PK’s stats.

      • krob1000 says:

        Galchenyuk had 4 points in his last healthy 15 games….

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Why did you pick 15 games? :)

          Galchenyuk is still just a few points behind our “#1 center”, with a higher PPG. He remains among the team’s top 6 forwards in scoring, despite the games missed. Losing a guy like that, on a team that has trouble scoring, is going to have an impact.

          • krob1000 says:

            I am not knocking Chucky….just saying no link between PK and Chucky. As is the case with most offesive palyers if not put in offensive situations they will not produce.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            You don’t see how losing one of the team’s top scorers can affect PK’s production? Okay. Must be the benching, I guess.

    • Luke says:

      I don’t know about this “standard rules or equality of treatment” thing.

      Plenty of guys were scratched this season because of the way they were playing. Even the golden child DD and the hometown hero DB. Mega floater RB and half the defense have all been punished for the way they’ve played. PK sat for 4 or 5 shifts.
      (A note since so much time has passed. I would not have benched PK if it was my call, but I don’t disagree with it).

      I guess the question is: Do you want every player treated equally or preferential treatment for some?

      I’m also worried about PK if he takes a benching and it ruins his game. That’s a bigger problem with PK than it is with MT, IMO.

      Let’s not forget that the players get benched from time to time. Quenneville benched Keith for the entire 3rd period of a game a couple years back… and he seems to have recovered.

      I think with PK right now, it’s not that he was benched for half a period a month ago, but rather the team is in free fall (tanking) and that PK has absolutely no desire to lose. So he is trying to do whatever he can to create offense and win games. And it’s counter productive. Not unlike DD during his train wreck… when he simplified he improved.

      So I agree with your second point, but not the loss of confidence, perhaps its an abundance of it.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Thanks Ron, it was a great time. Nearly 3 years old, and she’s already a fanatic!

      I think that you are looking too much into that game against Philly. The whole team was playing better before that game, and I’m sure that (with the exception of DD, perhaps) pretty much every player would have similarly pathetic totals since then.

      I disagree that PK was embarrassed. He took his licks, and rolled with it. Perhaps Therrien conceded that he’d been too hard on him, but these things happen, and everyone on a team understands that. I’ve been disciplined too severely by my bosses in the past, and it’s never changed my work ethic, so I can’t imagine that it would change his, considering how competitive you have to be and how thick your skin needs to be to make it to the NHL in the first place!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  60. Luke says:

    So here’s a thought.

    Some people want this roster to be blown apart and to hit rock bottom and suck for the next few years.

    Looking at this squad… maybe they are already doing what you asking for.
    MT might just be the best darn coach in the league, he’s kept a team that can’t score a goal and is led by a 30-something point defensman in the playoff hunt.

    Most of the players people want to jettison aren’t going to fetch much. They won’t get better… and probably won’t get worse shuffling them around.

    This is what many are asking for. This might just be the tank.

    Except MT has been good enough to keep the boat from actually sinking…

  61. habs001 says:

    I hate to say it but the Leafs could be a very dangerous team in the playoffs…If they get hot goaltending they have the scoring to match most teams..If Boland plays at the level before his injury and if Clarkson plays like he can they will be hard to beat…Clarksons value may be huge in the playoffs…On the Habs i just dont see scoring improving to any meaningfull level with this roster…Replacing DD with Eller will result in no improvement what so ever..

  62. kirkiswork says:

    When I hear Pacioretty speak he reminds me of the son in Breaking Bad, except with less conviction.

  63. Cal says:

    Question: Do the Habs have trouble scoring 5 on 5?
    Answer: Yes- at last check only 80 GF while allowing 95.
    Question: Have the Habs done anything to change this?
    Answer: No. TIO has not changed for all 4 lines.
    Question: If something does not work and has been clearly shown over 56 games that it isn’t working, why doesn’t MT try redistributing ice time?
    Answer: It’s all about DD. DD is the “team concept.”

    • habs001 says:

      Sorry if they send DD to the AHL this week this team will be just as poor in scoring goals if not worse…the scoring talent on this team is so weak..i just dont know why posters cannot see this..All posters have to do is review each forward one by one on the team and there should be no suprise that they cannot score consistently…

      • Cal says:

        The scoring will come from others on the roster, like Chucky when he’s back. Redistribution of ice time will hopefully augment their scoring. Having 1 line contributing reminds me of the season the Habs finished 28th. The rest of the roster right now isn’t so bad as that.

  64. punkster says:

    Just to add thumbs up to posts by Eddie and Ronn…just a couple of the folks here who in my humble opinion seem to get it.

    Further, to bolster what Old Bald Bird posted regarding today’s EOTP article on Why Did Therrien Change the System, there are even more warning signs given by EOTP in articles on January 26 (Open Letter to Marc Bergevin), January 24 for an SB Nation article (Do In Season NHL Coaching Changes Work?), January 23 (The Last Time Therrien was Fired)…and on and on…and even going back as far as June 7 2012 (Why Possession is Important)…all providing details and analysis of both what to expect and what has happened.

    In my view, which may be clouded by old age and blinded by devotion, it’s not so much about size as about how the present collection of talented young men are being deployed. And make no mistake, these guys are talented when allowed to play the type of fast, puck possession, shot taking game we have seen of them in the past. However, when shoe horned into roles that neither fit their stature nor their talents (Therrien’s famous chip and chase) they can’t be expected to produce anything but .500 hockey at best.

    Dump on your favorite player targets all you want, question why Eller is not producing, Gionta is struggling, Prust is fumbling, PK is taking more risks and on and on…but what’s the common denominator?

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  65. arcosenate says:

    This has probably already been posted but for those like me that haven’t read it it’s pretty sobering. And I hate sober:

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/habs-fever-every-decision-matters-1.1658302

    • Frank2468 says:

      Yes and your point is? Jager doesn’t speak French he’s not the and I don’t know how to spell it in French but I’ll spell it phonetically “Le Gox Shenew”

      • arcosenate says:

        My point was to share the article with the members here.

        • Frank2468 says:

          Oh I know your just sharing the article and it was a good one seen it before. Just that it always comes back to the Francophone issue was my point. Always has been always will be, sad but true.

          • D Mex says:

            That’s not what the article says, tho :
            It says that Jagr is producing points – again – this season, and wanted to play in Montreal. He’s +20 right now and ended up signing in NJ for $2M / 1 yr.

            Instead, Habs signed the ‘ local hero ‘, who shunned them once upon a time BTW. He signed here for 2 years @ $4M per, and is -5. Beyond that, the reader can draw his / her own conclusions.

            ALWAYS Habs –
            D Mex

      • monmick says:

        Le gars de chez nous…

        ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

    • Forum Dog says:

      Thanks for the link. I wasn’t aware that Jagr asked for the opportunity to play in Montreal. To think they could have had him for half the dough and half the term given to Briere is depressing, and it does go against all managerial logic. Hopefully Molson learned from this…..

      • Mattyleg says:

        Jagr was as much of a crap-shoot as Briere, in my opinion at the time.
        There was nothing to suggest that Danny Boy would wilt so badly, while Jagr would wake up again.
        My money was actually on Briere, what with the ‘coming home’ aspect.

        Could have gone either way, in my opinion… but it still sucks.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Forum Dog says:

          Jagr = Big body, puck possession, HOF, great passer, Czech buddy for Plekanec, loved in every room he’s played in, Stanley Cup champ, stuff Habs didn’t already have;

          Briere = Small and slight, in decline, Franco-hype, stuff the Habs already had.

          You’re right though, it could have gone either way. If Jags had signed, we might all be talking about how slow he is and how he can’t keep up with Pleks….can’t win for losing. The real dagger is that he wanted to play for Montreal, which is rare…

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thanks for the link. Well written and by someone who has a lot of love and respect for the Canadiens ‘brand’ or what that ‘brand’ should be anyways.

      I’ll let others be the devil’s advocate and the apologists.

  66. CJ says:

    After failing to reach a deal with the Isles, it appears Vanek is now on the trading block. Callahan could also move.

    Teams will want to react to this exchanges. This could certainly benefit Bergevin as it will help to drive up the price of our UFA’s. If everything is quite, there isn’t a significant need to bolster your roster. However, if the opposition is loading up, a GM might be inclined to add a roster player.

  67. WindsorHab-10 says:

    We can pick & choose different players to blame for our lack of scoring and continued struggles but to me the obvious problem which needs addressing constantly is this overrated coaching staff. They must ago now otherwise expect the same until the end of the season & no playoff appearance. MT is not a nhl coach & is the worst move Bergevin ever made & will make.

    • Mattyleg says:

      It’s hard to tell whether you like Therrien or not.
      Every single one of your posts is difficult to interpret.
      Every. Single. One.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • WindsorHab-10 says:

        I love Therrien. Can u interpret that? Or do u want me to explain Every.Single.One.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Please do.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • WindsorHab-10 says:

            Matty, my problem with some of you posters is simply this. We have the right to say anything we want & post it whether u like it or not, we’re entitled to our opinions & thoughts, that is what forums like this are all about. Read them or not, agree with them or not that’s your business. I have a problem with personal attacks like when you say every single one of my posts needs interpretation. I hate MT and have stated that from the first day he was hired. Never gave him credit for anything & have always blamed him for our struggles.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I see.
            Can you imagine that it might get a bit tiring for others seeing you repeat the same thing over and over again, regardless of whether they have any bearing on reality?

            I thought that people on here want to discuss things, but I guess that’s silly of me, and that there are posters who just want to vent their anger into the ether, and aren’t really interested in discussion. My bad.

            I agree that we are all allowed to post what we want, and I’m sorry if I am infringing on your rights. I should probably just ignore your posts altogether and leave you alone.

            Ciao WH10.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • WindsorHab-10 says:

            Would be nice.

  68. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS
    1. Were the Broncos unlucky or did they suck?
    2. If we’re out of the playoffs near the trade deadline, who should we try to dump? (Don’t say everyone.)
    3. Whats’ wrong with Eller?
    4. Are Gionta and Bourque top 6 forwards?
    5. Why does no-one stand up for Gallagher? Is Parros afraid to fight? (He took a penalty for jumping in at one point but didn’t throw a punch – stupid, wasted penalty.)
    SD
    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • rljmartin says:

      5. No pride, no honor, no passion, all add up to no team concept.

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      1. Die hard Broncos fan. Seattle is that good, no luck involved & yes my Broncos sucked.
      2.Anyone if the price is right. Exception is Plekanec & Markov
      3. Needs the right coach. MT is ruining him.
      4. Bourque with right coach behind the bench. Not Gionta
      5. We just need more Gallaghers

    • CJ says:

      I’ll take a stab at Eller.

      I think he’s lacking a defined role. Eller has never been a scorer, but, at times, has been cast as a first line winger. He needs, like every other player, some consistent line mates and guidance.

      This is why I regard Pleks as one of the best in the league. He makes it work, night in and night out, with a revolving door on his wing. That is so difficult. Only the most elite players can find immediate chemistry. Eller is not that elite player and needs to be managed differently.

      Problem is, you have one coach and three assistants, trying to manage 23 different personalities. Price’s play has greatly improved because the goalies have the benefit of one coach for two players. The one on one instruction has immediately paid dividends. Eller is lost in the shuffle. You almost need a specialist who works with each line. One specialist for scoring, one for PP, PK, etc.

      Lastly, players are still regular guys. Eller has a young baby at home. There are things outside the rink that impact a player. I’ve seen enough to know that we can’t give up on Eller. If anything, we need to bring someone in to work with him. There is no salary cap for the coaching staff. Find the kid two wingers, give them a defined mandate and coach them up.

      Just my two cents…

    • Luke says:

      1) MAnnign is a terrible QB. ONe of the worst.
      2) Everyone
      3) He sucks. No wait,MT sucks. they both suck.
      4) there not even bottom 6
      5a) Because they suck
      5b) he wasn’t dressed sunday… bevause he sucks.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      1. Not unlucky.
      2. We won’t be out of the playoff picture. If we can get a 1st round pick for Gionta I would do it reluctantly.
      3. Confidence. Bad luck. When Gally comes back I think Eller/Bourque/Gally will be a good line.
      4. Yes. Just not good ones.
      5. Because you can’t. Parros doesn’t play with Gally and anyway he can’t fight Marchand.

    • Cal says:

      1. Great D wins championships. 2. Gio, Markov and Pleks- if Habs are going to suck, they may as well go all out. 3. Nothing that ice time and 2 wingers that stay on his line longer than a cup of coffee won’t fix. 4. No. 5. What was Patches doing yesterday afternoon? Spectating? It sure looked like that to me. On Saturday, Parros talked when he just should have dropped ‘em and got going. I hate enforcers that talk. Just drop ‘em and go. IF the other guy isn’t ready, tough sh*t.

    • habstrinifan says:

      1) They sucked… especially in the 2nd Half. I mean really sucked!

      2) The coaching staff… and I am not kidding.

      3) The coaching staff… and I am not kidding.

      4) I cant evaluate any player under this juggling system.

      5) They at least talk a supportive game… dont they? Listen to Gorges and Pacs and Therrien.

  69. scavanau says:

    Dump and chase, lose the puck, repeat…
    Blast from the point, gets deflected, repeat…

  70. Frank2468 says:

    To me the cancer on the team is Bourque. The guy gets 3.3 mil to do nothing on the ice or 3.3 mil to be benched or 3.3 mil to sit in the press box. Believe it or not other players see this and the attitude will filter down. MB better get rid of this guy and not wait for a trade either cause no GM in the league with half a brain will take him. Cut bait and forget it put him on waivers if they can and if he clears then let him rot in Hamilton. If he doesn’t clear then some fool took him and yes we get nothing but the cancer is gone and cap space is cleared. The sad part of this is the only player with grit is Gally and he’s only 5 foot 9. Sooner or later even Gally is going to look around and say why the hell am I going to continue to kill myself and that would be so sad. Eller needs to start crashing the net and maybe he can still be trained to do it, but Patches sorry it’s not in his makeup to do that. The other players that need to crash is Moen and he’s annoying me as well and Prustie is doing what he can. So grit is only coming from Gally and Prust. Eller needs to step up and so does Moen the rest sorry are either to small or just won’t do it’s not in their makeup.

    • D Mex says:

      Other than that, things OK ?

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      • Frank2468 says:

        LOL yes for me things are fine it’s sunny outside today the snow plow went by so the roads are cleared. Bourque is not the only problem but his problem certainly is glaring one is one of the biggest and you can’t replace the whole team but you have to start somewhere and for me it’s him. The guy does absolutely nothing on the team. He’s looks like some of those players on survivor that stay quite and hopes no one will notice them. Well for me put his dam name on the parchment paper and send him to redemption island and see if that helps. LOL

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      He’s been much better the last few games. Certainly, the effort is there. He just needs some puck luck. Eller on the other hand…

      • jo_maka says:

        You can say anything you want about Eller. And we might disagree on some of those points, and that’ll be fine.

        But you just can’t question his effort.

        That is something that you just can’t do.

        “All right, they’re on our left, they’re on our right, they’re in front of us, they’re behind us…they can’t get away this time”

        • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

          My bad. It’s not Eller’s effort I’m calling into question but rather his offensive contribution. He doesn’t put himself in positions to score enough and when he does, he either over handles the puck (an epidemic with this team) or misses the fackin’ net (another epidemic). So in that context, no amount of puck luck is gonna help.

    • SmartDog says:

      It’s not just Bourque. Guys need to stand up for other guys more. No one touched Marchand when he blatantly shoved Gallagher into the net post. A dangerous play. No retaliation. The team has too little firepower up front in both sense of the word. No goals. No guts.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  71. DipsyDoodler says:

    Regarding the comment that you can’t with … etc…

    1. If Desharnais is leading the offence it’s de facto, and not the result of conspiracy / incompetence. He is 3rd in TOI per game behind Plekanec and Eller. He gets offensive minutes because he delivers more than Eller, and because Plex is so great defensively. But that doesn’t suit the argument.

    2. These you can’t win with blank arguments are always post-hoc. Can you win if your best attacker is 5’11″ (Kane)? Can you win without a true #1 centre (Boston)? Can you win without a true #1 goalkeeper (Philly in the playoffs that year)?

    3. At $3.5M Desharnais is not being paid as one of the team’s leaders. He earns less than every other UFA level player except Prust and Moen. But that doesn’t fit the agenda. He’s somehow the anointed one and the focus of every aggravation about the team, and we all know why.

    4. Our team isn’t as good as the very best teams. The reason is that there are 30 teams, a salary cap, and almost no possibility of trading. That’s why 20-25 teams aren’t one of the top teams every year.

    • krob1000 says:

      I would bet that Briere in that role would outscore DD….I am hoping they are trying to boost his value relative to his cap hit to make him moveable. At the same time this may alow Eller to be singed longer term for less money. Two years ago DD was the number 1 center…lottery pick, last Eller and PLeks both outscored him and were given better roles…team finished very high. Earlier this year Eller was given better role…team was rolling, DD got role and we are where we are now..I do not see this as coincendence and clearly you do so we’ll have to agree to disagree.

  72. Habitoban says:

    Despite the continued complaints here about Rene Bourque’s play, he was nevertheless named 3rd star of the game. I guess it’s hard for folks to give up a good (and easy) thing.

  73. habsguy says:

    once again Shanahan proves the NHL has no desire to take violence out of the game.. Its a joke, Kadri again smashed a players head off the boards, no call on the play and no discipline !!!!!!!!!

  74. Ali says:

    Missed call or not, I’m getting generally sick of Desharnais attempting to come to Gallagher’s rescue while Pacioretty does nothing.

  75. NCRhabsfan says:

    I’m confused, Ghosts says, “Reading through Vancouver reaction: Weise is a good guy who didn’t play with the grit that was asked of him.” you’re saying he’s a guy with “sandpaper”. Which is it?


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