Habs get day off after loss to Bruins

The Canadiens had the day off Thursday following Wednesday night’s 4-1 loss to the Boston Bruins at the Bell Centre.

It was the third loss in a row for the Canadiens and dropped their record to 3-4-1 since Carey Price was sidelined with a lower-body injury at the conclusion of the Sochi Olymipcs. Peter Budaj has now lost four straight as a starting goalie in Price’s absence.

While the Canadiens haven’t divulged exactly what Price’s injury is, here’s what Sports Illustrated’s Michael Farber said Thursday morning on CJAD Radio-800: “To the best of my knowledge it is a knee, it’s not a groin. And it’s nothing structural, so it’s good news. It is simply tendinitis and that requires rest and rehab, and that’s precisely what the Canadiens are doing.”

The Canadiens will practise at 11 a.m. Friday in Brossard as they prepare to face the Ottawa Senators Saturday night at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690), followed by a game against the Sabres Sunday night in Buffalo (7 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

After Wednesday’s loss, the Canadiens were sitting in third place in the Atlantic Division standings with 77 points (35-25-7), one point behind the Toronto Maple Leafs (35-24-8) and 14 points behind the first-place Bruins (43-17-5). If the NHL playoffs started Thursday, the Canadiens would have been facing the Maple Leafs in the first round with Toronto holding home-ice advantage.

“I thought we played a good first period,” Canadiens coach Michel Therrien told reporters after Wednesday’s game. “We controlled the pace and we had some good chances, but (Tuukka) Rask made some good saves and then we made two mistakes early in the second period and they scored.”

Said captain Brian Gionta: “We had a bunch of chances in the first period and we had a flurry in the second. (Tomas Plekanec) missed a breakaway, we had five or six shots in front and I missed an empty net. If we get one of those, maybe it’s a different game, but they scored a third one.”

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

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(Videos by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell)

Struggling Habs get day off after loss to Bruins, montrealgazette.com

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‘Snowball is rolling the wrong way,’ Gionta says, by Pat Hickey

Bruins drop hammer to end skid against Habs, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Bruins finally top Canadiens, NHL.com

Hockey journey started in Austria for new Hab Vanek, by Pat Hickey

Vanek playing the odds, Canadiens.com

Habs vs. Bruins photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

Habs prospect Bozon remains critical, but stable, kootenayice.com

Number cruncher: Is 30 the new 50? Canadiens.com

Senators’ Zibanejad sets hardest-shot record, Ottawa Citizen

Kid from Cote-des-Neiges living hockey dream in Russia, by Michelle Tetrault-Farber

 

 

941 Comments

  1. SmartDog says:

    Let’s not go all nutso over these losses. With Price back they are likely to play better hockey – and there aren’t any more Western road swings on the sched.

    But here’s a question: which of the following is your greatest concern about the team:
    1. Offense
    2. Defense
    3. Goaltending (assuming Price is back soon)
    4. Coaching

    Without Vanek I would be stuck between #1 and #4. But with a guy like Vanek added, it’s absolutely Coaching. Gotta say Vanek made some slick moves last night. On the RIGHT LINE he could be a great addition. And the right line is probably not the one where (to paraphrase Gionta) “Plekanec missed on a breakaway and I missed an open net”.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • shiram says:

      I did not watch all the game, but he looked good playing with Pleks from what I saw.
      I know they put him with DD later on too.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Defense. Any team who has to play 125 year old Frankie B. over 23 minutes in a huge game obviously has issues.

      I still have a hard time believing that Nathan B would not have been a better option.

      Edit: Private to UKRAINIANhab. Although I’ve changed my avatar please now my thoughts and prayers are still with your loved ones in Ukraine.

      • SmartDog says:

        I agree. It’s a mystery why NB isn’t up with the club. I only hope that it isn’t a mystery to him. I know Bergevin’s a better communicator than Gauthier (but who isn’t) but given what I see from Therrien I still wonder about the Habs player development & communication habits.

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      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        125 year old!

        LOL!!!

        Poor old Cube!
        Actually liked the way he was throwing the body around. Wish I could say the same for Murray.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Offense.

    • The_Truth says:

      I think the most obvious issue by far is the offense. Something like 29th 5 on 5 scoring, PP terrible recently and the whole team, save Patches and now maybe Vanek who are below average goal scorers. The defence with Price and Gorges back is pretty decent and the coaching is ok IMO.

      Offensive talent is poor on this team and nothing immediate in the pipeline either.

  2. WindsorHab-10 says:

    We absolutely need Price but only if he’s 100%. This is not a bad team and with the right guidance from the head coach & his assistants, we could challenge for the conference lead in my opinion. Coaching is way underrated and it should not be especially with this team. Michel Therrien & his assistants have destroyed the team & especially the young talent such as PK, Galchenyuk, etc… I look at the struggles that Price had in the past, in comes Stephane Waite & the difference in his play is day & night. Coaching can instill confidence in players as well as get them to produce at the highest level, if and only if you have the right people behind the bench. We do not.
    My hope going forward until the end of this season is for this team to not make the playoffs because with the clueless head coach we have, it will be an early exit anyways. I know the players are saying the right things about MT and his staff but I for one am not buying it. Marc Bergevin made a tragic mistake selecting MT out of the limited pool that he had. His resume is not impressive & most experts think what MT does well during his tenure is set teams back. All you have to do is check his pathetic record. He has screwed his lines up all year & to this day still has no clue as to who should play where. End of season & MT’s end cannot come soon enough for me.

    • docketrocket says:

      good point about Waite.

    • shiram says:

      I can agree with a lot of what you say, but his record since being hired by GMMB has been pretty good.

      Past experiences are another thing though, and while Therrien says he is changed man, I’ve posted before that I thought what changed was mostly how he handled the press media.

  3. Storm Man says:

    At this rate golf season is coming fast was thinking if MT is any good at golf?

  4. Steeltown Hab says:

    To the people who constantly defend Therrien saying “We’re in 4th place”

    - This team is 29th in the NHL in 5 v 5 goal differential (scary bad).
    - 4th in a very weak East, just isn’t impressive.
    - This team actually has a lot of talent. By no means are they over achieving

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    • shiram says:

      There are issue with the team, I’m sure all would agree.

      But picking at the minutiae of the coaching job is kind of pointless, we just don’t have all the information available.

      I’m really tired of hearing people complain about practice days, that’s a CBA thing, and the coaching staff has to work within those confines.
      And the CBA Stuff has been explained often enough.

      Also, people should complain about Gallant and Daigneault a lot more, Therrien’s been the only one to get lambasted, but his assistants surely have a hand in the team’s woes.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Yes, the days off is a CBA thing, however, Therrien gives more days off than he is required to. I am in Ottawa and the Sens practice more and you can’t fix things, like the failing power play, without practicing.

        Therrien did say no excuses and all he does it make excuses. The players are tired he says. All the teams are in the same situation. Most of the players had 12 days off during the Olympics. This is the most critical time and Bergevin made moves to hopefully do well in the play offs. Like it or not, the coaching has been sub par! The good coaches have kept their players focused and playing solid consistent hockey. The Habs have skill and talent and it isn’t being used. Teams don’t just go from playing solid positional hockey to looking like a bunch of headless chickens on their own. The coaching staff is accountable, otherwise why have coaches, the players could just go out an play!

        Habfan17

    • Habfan17 says:

      Not to mention that the power play was 3rd in the league, now it is in the bottom.

      Habfan17

  5. Storm Man says:

    First move MB needs to make is a good coach that know how to coach a team is a high tempo style hockey as that is what this team is make for.

  6. Habilis says:

    @CJ and everyone else,

    Apologies if this was already posted, but it deserves a bump anyhow. Encouraging news.

    Found a link to the press release about Bozon: http://www.kootenayice.net/article/update-on-condition-of-kootenay-ice-hockey-player-tim-bozon

    Here is an excerpt:

    “Tim Bozon remains in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) at Royal University Hospital in Saskatoon after being admitted on March 1 with Neisseria Meningitis. He remains in ICU however doctors have indicated his condition remains critical but stable and improving. He has been in an induced coma since being admitted to the ICU but doctors are now working to slowly wake him. His family has indicated that Tim has responded to verbal stimuli.”

    Great to hear.

  7. Ian Cobb says:

    I will continue to watch our club on TV, but oh my I have spent a lot of money going to Montreal this year, and I have yet to see a win. The product on the ice is very bad indeed. Only by having Price in nets all year is this team going to slip into the play off for 5 or 6 games and be done until next season.

    I had a very nice sit down chat with Claude Gillian after their yesterday morning practice, at our hotel. He is a lot of fun to talk with. I also learned a lot about his time in Montreal!

    Bergevin better get his moves in order if this team is ever going to be respectable next year!

  8. Stanley Cup says:

    I blame the evil Æther.
    :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

  9. UKRAINIANhab says:

    The most important position in sports is the Goaltender. Whether it be in Hockey, Field Hockey, Football (Cannot adjust to this “soccer” thing). Anyways, this is how the Montreal Canadiens have played all year long!!! It only seems to be worse because Carey Price is not playing. Yeah, Carey Price cannot put the puck into the net but all he needs is 1 or 2 goals most nights (Canada vs Usa). This constant nattering about MT needs to settle down because as much as some do not like him he is going anywhere soon like it or not.

    • habcertain says:

      you are disproving your own point, without Price standing on his head the Habs are in the draft lottery, you are saying a better coach could not improve on those odds, we may not be Cup favorites, but getting into the playoffs with Bernier level goaltending, on the Habs, should be doable. We should be counting on the younger players to improve, and with the exception of Gally, everyone is moving backwards.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      There are neither goalies in football nor in basketball although it might improve the game. Many years ago, post Pro bowl, at my dad’s house, we’re watching a basketball game and near the end of the game he says, “Defence? Why do they keep going on about defence for crying out loud! It’s 120-119!” Heh.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  10. Danno says:

    In the playoffs, you need three things.

    1 – Goatending.

    2- Goaltending

    3 – and Goaltending.

    We can have 12 Vaneks on the team, but if Price doesn’t return in good form it won’t make a whiff of difference. We’ll be doomed.

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  11. Say Ash says:

    Hey, the Devils fired Julien with a week left in the regular season.

  12. Prop says:

    I guess this is how Therrien should have reacted…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc7hwiar-5c

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  13. RJ says:

    Pray we don’t make the playoffs. Our only hope to get this bozo coaching staff fired. It is clear we hired the wrong francophone. Look what Roy has done with the Avs.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  14. docketrocket says:

    No one reasonably expected the habs to be much higher in the standings than they are now. Only Price and luck would take us into the second round if we did make the playoffs. MT cannot be faulted for failing to exceed those goals.

    BUT, does anyone remember PK Subban – best D-man in the league, speed, strength and energy to burn? Gally, best out of his draft year? Eller becoming the big dominant center we have been missing for years? White settling into a strong 4th line center? These players are (or were) a big part of our future and it is MT’s job to protect and build that future. Fans who love the Habs are entitled to complain about that!

  15. CJ says:

    Hi folks. Some very, very good news to share regarding Tim Bozon….

    Jennifer Graham ‏@JGrahamCP ·43m
    #Canadiens prospect and #WHL Kootenay Ice player Tim Bozon’s remains in ICU. Condition remains critical but stable and improving.

    Further, it appears that doctor’s are in the process of waking him up from the medically induced coma. I am not a doctor, but this is the first positive piece of information in the past week.

    Continue to send your positive vibes friends. We might not agree on all things Canadiens, but we can certainly get behind this young man.

    Best wishes, CJ

  16. Steeltown Hab says:

    The most classic Michel Therrien moment from last night.

    Calls a time out when MTL is down 2-0. Stands there with a stupid groggy look on his face. Says not one word to the team.

    Camera pans over to Boston’s bench, Julien is using the time to engage his team and go over tactics…

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • Mattyleg says:

      He was letting his team catch their breath because they’d been out on a long shift, and Boston was doing their best to capitalize on that.

      Jeezis, you new at this hockey thing?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • The Jackal says:

        It appears many are Matty, but it doesn’t matter if it’s MT, Babcock, or Bowman, there will always be those using the coach as a scapegoat for whenever something goes wrong. It’s either the coach’s fault or the goalie’s, and it’s been pretty difficult to be a Price hater this year so it appears all the negativity is being directed towards MT. Hell, even DD hasn’t been getting crap lately – can you believe that???

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      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Your team is down, you call a timeout, you don’t even make use of the time to go over adjustments? Go over things to do and focus on doesn’t tire the players on ice any further.

        If you think therrien is a Good coach, that means you think icing the 4th line and bottom d-pairing together constantly makes sense.

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        • Caesar says:

          you are 100% bang on. Not only does MT do nothing CJ up by 2 and controlling the game was still looking to make improvements and adjustments.

          Taking a time out and wasting that time on staring into the floor is not smart at all. At least get everyone on the page and pretend like you care.

          I remember Bowman would do the same thing down by 5 with 2 minutes to go he would still be giving instructions and trying to win.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Sorry, but you two are out to lunch.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Habfan17 says:

            Habfan17I am not sure why things get personal, it is all opinion, some backed up by experience. As a past coach and player for many years, Therrien should have been using the time out for more than just the players catching their breath! If he was doing his job, he should have noticed something the Bruins were doing that last shift and he could have pointed it out to his players and had them make an adjustment. Coaches have to make use of all tools at their disposal.

        • Habs4LifeInTO says:

          I agree Steeltown..make use of the time bond with, encourage, engage your players for god sakes…don’t stand there looking beaten.

          Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
          24 cups and counting….

      • Forum Dog says:

        lol – New at this hockey thing? Last I checked people can listen and breathe at the same time. The players aren’t the ones doing the talking.

    • Forum Dog says:

      You’re right about this. I thought the same thing. Gallant is talking, Therrien is standing there, DD is patting White on the shoulder. Meanwhile, Bruins are having a pow-wow with their coach. Intensity is contagious, and starts at the top.

    • Psycho29 says:

      I guess you didn’t see Gallant with the whiteboard talking with the players?

      • Forum Dog says:

        Yeah, but only half the players were involved and listening. And Therrien stands there looking off into space. Calling the timeout made sense. Having nothing to say to the troops was strange.

  17. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Another day off? Set the snooze boys.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  18. RetroMikey says:

    So the team is rewarded more often now with losses?
    Wonderful discipline Therrien!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  19. BriPro says:

    I’ll re-post this from last night:

    For those of you freaking out over the players having the day off tomorrow (today).
    CTV’s Brian Wilde reported that they have to, because according to the NHL’s CBA, they must have 4 days off per month, and tomorrow (today) is one of them.

    • RetroMikey says:

      You don;t have to follow what the CBA says.
      It’s optional.

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • Habfan17 says:

      Except that it does not state what days they need to be and Therrien has already given 3 days off!

      I am in Ottawa and the Sens practice way more than the Habs and they still get in the mandatory 4 days off. The practices don’t have to be hard, but when a team goes from 3rd in power play percentage to the bottom of the league and can’t score 5 on 5, they need to practice! That does not mean baseball on ice.

      Therrien said no more excuses and he keeps saying the team is tired. Too bad creampuff Therrien, most of the players had 2 weeks off for the Olympics and all the other teams are in the same situation.

      Habfan17

      • Mattyleg says:

        You have to schedule them in advance.
        This one was scheduled.
        Not all the other days off were CBA days.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • BriPro says:

          Exactly.
          And I liked your book link Matty.

          BTW, I don’t know if you read my quick post last night, but I’m blaming you for their loss.
          I suggested you stay home, and you didn’t.

          Next time, I insist you give me your tickets. :)

          • Mattyleg says:

            I’m not so much angry at the team as I am disappointed in myself.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

  20. SC-24 says:

    You gotta put together two lines with good goal scores and give them the most ice time if you want to win games. Good goal scores playing mostly defensively all game that doesn’t work. Sure you’ll win some games but your gonna lose more than you win. let the Goal scores do their thing and the other two lines look after the defensive side of things we wouldn’t have a bad team here.

    Pacioretty, DD, Vanek … Galchenyuk, Pleks, Gally
    Give these Guys the most ice time and you’ll see the wins starting to come.

    Briere, Eller, Gionta secondary scoring with a defensive side to it
    The 4th line Bang and crash with a defensive side to it and I think this team would do very well. If the scorers has to play mostly defense this team is done. JM tried that and how did we make out. a 1st round exit.

    • crane says:

      Vanek Gally Gally
      Patches Eller D.D.
      Borival Pleck. Bierre
      Wiese White Prust

      Gionta,Bork, Moen ,Parros out

      Markov Subban
      Emelin Pateryn
      Beaulieu Georges
      Tinordi

      Weaver,Boullion,Murray out

  21. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Way back on ALN there’s a post from Paz that identifies all that’s impressive about the Bruins. One of the impressive features is that they are winning despite the slowing-down of Chara. It is impressive. However, I’d be cautious after I predicted his imminent demise last April and he suddenly found a new gear for the playoffs.

    Lucic really did look like a man with a mission, namely to dominate, intimidate and demoralise Emelin. I in no way disagree with a player making that part of his game plan. What I object to is making it dirty, which at least two of Lucic’s hits on Emelin were.

    What do ye think? Did Lucic succeed? Is Emelin still stuck in 3rd gear for a while, knees taking so long to heal? Did Emelin at any point respond in kind? Did any OTHER Hab take it upon himself to put a nice pop on Lucic? Where was Murray (stats say NO hits)? Had Therrien forbidden them all from tangling with Lucic?

    I have to say, it burned me seeing Lucic taking liberties and there being no price to pay from either officials or team-mates.

    • SC-24 says:

      DM – Answer, Get McGratton.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      I agree Murray, Tinordi or Prust could have tried to stand up to Lucic, but remember what happened last year when Emelin tried to hit Lucic? or how well Komisarek did against him a few years ago? Easier said than done. Lucic is a beast.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Cheers, guys.
      Yeah, I agree that Lucic’s a beast.
      But I don’t even want someone to fight him. I just want someone who can hit him cleanly in the corners, put him on his ass a few times, keep him honest.
      And yeah, I remember both the demolition of Komisarek and the awful back-firing of Emelin’s big hit — which WOULD have been exactly what’s needed had he pulled it off.

      (I did see Gionta hitting Chara behind the net. I doubt he even noticed, but it’s the right thing to do because Chara has a strong sense of entitlement when it comes to being hit-proof. When you offend this sense, he starts committing punishable acts.)

      But Lucic looked like he had decided to finish what began with that miscalculated hit, ie to Komisarek Emelin as someone else put it. If Emelin can’t give back as good as he gets, is he not in deep trouble?

      • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

        Emelin is definitely in trouble, especially if post-major injury he basically loses the big-hitting element from his game out of fear of getting hurt. I just want some of our forwards to make big hits on the opposition’s defense

      • Strummer says:

        Anyone of Murray, Prust, Moen could handle Lucic, only Murray could actually beat him.
        My point is as long as no one stands up to him he will do as he pleases.
        Lucic doesn’t want to get into scraps, neither does Julien want him to. He’s a top 6 player and they don’t want him risking injury or being in the penalty box for 17 minutes at a time.

        But until they start hitting back he’ll have the run of the place.

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    • shiram says:

      I could only watch about the game, but Lucic was indeed on an intimidation mission, and it has succeeded.
      Officials had their whistles pocketed, and none of the Habs had an answer for Lucic.

      Too bad on all the other games this season, Lucic looked like a mouse trying to roar like a lion.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Remember last season he was that mouse down the stretch and then woke up in the third period Game 7 vs Toronto?

        I think Murray should have created the opportunity to plant him. AM I unfair?

        • shiram says:

          You have to be able to give and take.
          For all his wanted toughness, Murray did not impress in that situation.
          It’s a fair point, Murray was brought in to help in the toughness department.

  22. crane says:

    Borival for Gionta

  23. RC-51 says:

    Exactly what this team needs another day off!!

  24. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    I’m assuming the game plan board for the breakout on the powerplay has five x’s standing at the blueline and a giant “?”

    • Luke says:

      Four guys standing still at the blueline and the last defensman back looping around in the defensive zone with the puck to get ready to rush it.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah.
        That bugs me.
        Especially when Subby dishes it off to the side rather than going in.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Luke says:

          There’s no room for him to enter the zone.
          There’s 8 (3 Habs forwards, 5 Defenders) guys clogging the blueline and (hopefully) his D partner is hanging back by this point.

          Subban needs to sort out when he can do these rushes and when he can’t.

          This frustrates me about as much as the amount time Eller plays with the puck on his backhand.

  25. scrotchland says:

    this team will not make the playoffs, they are done like breakfast.

    last nights loss is on therian who cannot set the lines, and because manny went to the game, and they always lose when he goes.

  26. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I think of building a team like fishing. The draft is like randomly throwing your rod in any lake (the CHL is the most reliable lake, Sweden and Finland are the only other places I’d fish.) The UFA market is like a stocked pond but the prices are outrageous considering I still have to catch the fish.

    Point is, unless you’re getting all world talent, just get pluggers from the Free Agent market. Players like Gionta, Briere are nice to have, but being patient and spending their combined salary on one high end scorer is more valuable.

    Look at the Habs PP, we have PK and Markov and not a single PP specialist forward.. Maybe Vanek and Pacioretty… Maybe Galchentuk. The Habs need top line forwards that can produce on the Powerplay. This pushes Plek into a 3rd line role, heck I’d even keep Gionta on the cheap (2 year deal if he was a 3rd liner). I’d rather not add anybody and wait for the stud UFA than signing marginal top 6.

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  27. Sportfan says:

    As a kid I remember all the BS Saku and the team went through by not having “enough” french players. The franco fans finally realized in this world we won’t get the top french canadians like the past so they were able to deal with it. Now its time for them to realize A 95% of this team is English and that you need a coach who understands ENGLISH to communicate with the team.

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  28. shiram says:

    Y’all got anymore of that optimism?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m hanging in there buddy!

      • shiram says:

        Yeah I think we got the players to have a better team, or at least one that scores more, but somehow it does not work out.
        I’ve hope that it can be fixed, but time is ticking on this season.

    • Mattyleg says:

      It’s just a matter of getting our scoring machine working.
      Once that starts to fire, we’ll be fine.
      All teams go through slumps.
      Anaheim has lost its last four.

      We’ll get it going, and by the time the playoffs start, we’ll be firing on all cylinders.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I don’t quite have the feeling like when the wheels completely fell off last year. I’m getting nervous but not panicking yet. We need Price back now!

      • shiram says:

        Scoring has been an issue long enough that I feel it’s not just a slump, it’s a bigger problem.
        But I do think our players can do more, it’s just a matter of finding a way to do it.

        • kalevine says:

          totally agree, it’s a recurring problem this year like we have not seen in recent memory. This is about the third slump this season that involves barely scoring.

      • adadi says:

        Scoring machine. That is a knee slapper. Heehee.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Did you take a moment to have a look at my responses to you on the previous thread earlier today?

          I think you might find them edifying.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • The Jackal says:

            He doesn’t know what that word means.

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  29. Mattyleg says:

    We got any readers in here?

    Here’s a quiz on how many of these famous/popular/canonical books you’ve read.
    I’m curious as to the results!

    http://www.listchallenges.com/kaunismina-bbc-6-books-challenge?ref=share

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I’m not a reader at all and I have read 10. If you graduated from high school, it is impossible to not have a read at least 6 of these (unless your school was horrible).

    • scamorza says:

      28

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • shiram says:

      I got only 10, even though I read every week-day.
      There was not much science-fiction in there, and that’s my preferred literature.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      35. Anybody else choke on Moby Dick?

    • secretdragonfly says:

      29 – thought it would be higher.

    • punkster says:

      39

      Release the Subbang!!!

    • L Elle says:

      51, but I was an English major forced to read some of those very boring books. ;)

      Told you to give me your tickets for last night. :)

    • HabFab says:

      Finally something worth reading :)

      Read 38 and have seen another 10 in movies… do they count :)

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks, Matty. That’s funny.
      (Or, thanks for SHARING — again — I should say!).

      I think I scored 42. Many, many on the list that I am ashamed not to have read. And some others which I don’t think deserve to be on it (The Da Vinci Code?). But such lists are fun, and I see you’ve added an all-Sci-Fi version.

      I can’t remember, were you part of the literature debate that ran for a few days here last summer around the time of the Ryan White signing mega-thread??!

      (I am currently re-reading Miss Smilla’s Feeling for Snow — simply cannot credit that it’s out 20 years).

      Matty, if Ireland beat France on Saturday (1pm EDT, I think), we take the Championship. O’Driscoll’s last game for Ireland. Will you be able to catch it?

    • Gerry H says:

      28

      Strange how anxious I became realizing how many great books I haven’t read on that list. Too much history, not enough fiction (like my wife hasn’t already told me that a thousand times).

    • Mattyleg says:

      I got 40.
      There are some strange selections on there, and often I found that I’d read other books by the same authors (Mayor of Casterbridge, Dombey and Son, Hard Times, An Artist of the Floating World, etc).

      I also didn’t choose ones I’d only read parts of, like The Bible, or the Complete Works of Shakespeare (are his sonnets included there?).

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Yeah, while I’ve read the main plays, who the heck has read the “complete” works of Shakespeare other than Shakespearean scholars? The Bible? Well, I think I’ve read enough of it to check it off but I fell asleep in a couple places. All those begets and stuff. ;)

        Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • Mavid says:

      25

      Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • Chris says:

      28 for me.

      I’ve probably started another 28 of those, but simply couldn’t get through them. I’ve tried so many times to get through Ulysses, but I just can’t do it. That seems to be one of those books (maybe along with War and Peace) that separates the wheat from the chaff when it comes to whether you can consider yourself a hardcore reader. Ulysses was one of the least readable books I’ve ever encountered, although I am sure it is fantastic once you can get your mind worked in the right way.

      VERY odd to see no Hemingway on that list or Don Quixote. Don Quixote is another impossible read, but it is certainly one of the classic books. I would also argue that The Iliad or The Odyssey belong on there as well, certainly ahead of something like The Da Vinci Code.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      40 and a couple that I may have but can’t recall. I’m pretty much done with the heavy lifting, however. I mostly read thrillers and murder mysteries these days and didn’t see any Tom Clancey, John Sandford or Elmore Leonard. Shame.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • BriPro says:

      Wow. A lot of “28″.
      That’s my answer too.
      They only indicate one Harry Potter (required night time bed reading in our house).
      And there are no books from Harland Coben, John Grisham, Hans Christian Andersen, J.M. Barrie, Michael Crichton (tragic loss), Roald Dahl, Mario Puzo, P.D. James, Janet Evanovitch, or Christopher Moore (one of my absolute favourite comical fantasy writers).

    • bwoar says:

      I have read 39 of those books. Some of that list are real crap. Also, I can’t stand Charles Dickens.

  30. Phil C says:

    I must admit, the posts criticizing the coach hit both extremes. Half of the people are screaming for MT to find some lines that work, the other half are freaking out because he juggles the lines too much and that it is ridiculous to not have set lines by now. It’s almost like we don’t know WTF we are talking about or something. But I’ve never let ignorance stop me in the past, so I’m not about to start now.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The only thing I know is that the team is mired in a slump, I’m sure part has to do with spotty goaltending, perhaps some is related to missing Gorges, some is probably some poor coaching decisions, and the rest may be because they just aren’t playing well. Many teams (Even the Mighty Ducks) have slumps, I hope this slide comes to an end, team gets mojo back and starts to win again.

      Confidence goes a long way.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Price doesn’t let that 50ft Lucic shot in last night and also doesn’t blow the SJ game in the 1st minute on a blooper goal like Budaj. Price also might have won or sent the 2-1 game into OT against LA.

        • scamorza says:

          Agreed, like Budaj but lets face it nowhere as good especially as Carey is having a stellar year. As boring as it may be we are going to win low scoring games and price is usually the difference or as you said we could have at least picked up a point in OT

          come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  31. Sportfan says:

    Over/under on having at least one 60 point player this year?

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  32. youngwun says:

    I think it’s time to put vanek first line. Put gally back with Eller and chucky and briere with pleks gio.
    Moen Prust white 4th line.
    And hopefully we never ever see bouillon lead this team in ice time. That’s a joke.

  33. rljmartin says:

    Well, 67 games into the season, 82% done and still no set lines. Last week everyone so happy about Vanek and the possibilities. I thought it was a good move also but it would appear that the Vanek acquisition will only guarantee that the Habs will go into the playoffs (assuming they make it) still without ANY set lines. Good grief!

  34. Habcouver says:

    If the day off re-energizes our boys to play well in the stretch run, I’m okay with it. MT has some strange strategies and this losing streak, line juggling thing is wearing thin.

    We Are (Not) All Canucks.
    Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m pretty sure Therrien sees more value in giving them some rest, letting what just happened sink in then putting them through a tough practice Friday.

      We could get a guy like Torts in here who would punish the players the next day and have them all demand trades? Just like Kesler, maybe Pacioretty would want out?

    • PeterD says:

      Many of the days off the players get is not because of coach choice. ..there are specific day off requiements in the new collective agreement that dictate when and how many days off are required.

  35. Lafrich says:

    In response to TIMO just below this post:

    There are too many people out there like you, constantly repeating the same thing: This guy sucks, and that guy sucks, etc… PUH-LEASE either offer up some alternatives, at least once in a awhile, or give it a rest.

    I agree that Therrien is NOT a good coach. But I have no clue which available coach would have done better with the current roster.

    As for Bergevin, he has been just fine. He has made some useful pick-ups, and made a splash by acquiring Vanek. He got rid of Gomez too, don’t forget.

    In answer to your question about how long a GM should get, I would say 5 years. There is a turnover of players that is necessary before he can be evaluated properly. He inherited a lot of these players, and he needs some time to address the needs.

    You may be right about all the sucking, but we won’t know for a while. Seems to me you were DEAD wrong about DD. He has proved all of us wrong over the last 30-40 games, and I certainly was one that thought he was done 20 games in.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Bergevins track record so far is fairly bad. Briere, Subban contract situation, He hired the notorious MT. He bought out Gomez which any GM in the right mind would have done. However, he is a rookie GM and things can change very quickly.

      • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

        Also, and I’m not sure how much this matters, but in his 20 year playing career, Bergevin basically experienced very little winning or what it took to go deep in the playoffs. I think he only had 2 years where he was on a team that won more than one playoff round.

        • D Mex says:

          Not sure I get the point here :
          IF his online profile is accurate, Ken Holland played 11 seasons of pro hockey that included three (3) NHL games with Detroit. He’s enjoyed more than modest success as their GM, tho …
          http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=6433

          ALWAYS Habs -
          D Mex

          • GrimJim says:

            No you got his point, but you have the perfect counterpoint…

          • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

            Good counter-example. If possible, I’d prefer having players, coaches and management that have won before and know what it takes to win. I realize Bergevin won the Cup in 2010 but the Hawks didn’t seem to miss him too much last season. I said in my comment that I wasn’t sure it really mattered, but I just find it interesting and can’t imagine being part of generally losing teams for years is a positive.

          • Luke says:

            Typically, Star players don’t translate well into Management roles.

            Perfect example is coach Gretzky. The grinders and muckers have to think their way through the game. The stars just ‘did it’ because of their natural skills.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Bergevin has made a bunch of minor moves without disrupting the future. The one major move he made (Vanek) cost us a 2nd tier prospect and a 2nd round draft pick, big deal.

        All the previous GMs since the mid 90s have drafted poorly and traded away young player/picks for band aid solutions to take a team from bad to mediocre. With no regard for the future.

        Bergevin has been going slow and steady and that’s fine with me. He gets a solid B grade from me.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          I think both the Emelin and DD deals were terrible based on term and dollars. PK got way less and had more experience than either of them when he signed his deal; so much for setting a president with PK. Emailin could have been negotiated this off season, three year maximum deal for ‘pluggers.’

          A plugger is any player that is not a building block at his position. (Bottom 4 D, Bottom 6 fwd, marginal top 6 fwd)

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

          • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

            I agree re: Emelin and DD

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Based on Emelin’s play before his injury people thought the Emelin deal was fantastic. Now that he’s struggling all of a sudden it’s a bad deal. I’m not happy with Desharnais but the guy has played well so it’s not really a failure at all.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            Emelin had no business getting 4 years and neither did DD.. It’s not a production issue, it’s philosophy contradiction.. Did he not play hardball with PK and give him a shit deal or overpay for the other two?

            ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Every hockey person on the planet commended Bergevin for playing hardball with Subban and standing his ground. Subban was asking for a seven year deal and huge money before he deserved it.

            And the moment the Emelin deal was signed people thought it was a solid deal. Now that he hasn’t made a quick turnaround and ins’t playing great, making huge hits like he did, people are concerned. He hasn’t recovered from the injury.

            And I agree, I hated the DD deal the moment it was signed. But give Bergevin some credit, DD has played very well. Galchenyuk isn’t ready to be the number 1. Plekanec is like DD, a number two. Eller hasn’t played well at all. So it turns out the DD deal wasn’t that bad at all.

    • shandrew says:

      Not that Timo needs any support, but I’m going to give it to him anyway.

      Therrien has got to go, and go now. This team is regressing and seems completely disorganized on the ice. More concerning to me, however, is the damage Therrien is doing to the younger players – Eller is totally lost, Galchenyuk is not progressing as he should, and PK is MT’s favourite whipping boy.

      If you agree that MT is not a good coach, and have any thoughts that he is actually damaging our young assets, then he simply has to go – I don’t care who replaces him.

  36. UKRAINIANhab says:

    If we fire MT… Who the heck do we hire! No one is available and they have to speak french!

  37. The Jackal says:

    So last week we were a good team that could win the East or a couple of rounds. Today we may not even make the playoffs.

    Look, last night was not very good for us, but we came out strong, had a crap second period, and a decent third. Thing is, we could have run away with that game but could not capitalize on our chances – 3 breakaways and 3 PPs if I’m not mistaken, and a few empty nets to boot.

    Bruins got lucky with the first goal on a mistake by a rookie D (which is why management on a mediocre-ish team is reluctant to have 2 rookie D), then they took control like the good team they are. We still had our chances but could not score – that won’t happen more often than not.
    If anything, we can see the value of Price and Gorges – we’ll need to weather the storm until they get back but this is still the same team that people thought can make noise in the playoffs.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      I think most people who thought we could make noise in the playoffs were including Price and Gorges in the lineup. Some/many people today seem to commenting or projecting asuming neither will be back healthy and contributing in time to save this slide (which could be the case).

      • The Jackal says:

        Thing is, it’s not exactly a slide. Like I said, we could have run away with the game. We’re still an above average team that is better than most teams in the East, with the exception of two or three. That’s still the case. We’ll be even better when fully healthy.

        ______________________
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        • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

          That’s a big “could have”. We can agree to disagree about Habs being an above average team (within the entire NHL)

          • The Jackal says:

            We can certainly do that, but the standings have proven that they are better than most teams for the last 2 seasons.

            ______________________
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          • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

            Don’t forget last season was only 48 games and Habs lost to Ottawa somewhat easily in the first round of the playoffs. I just see us as mediocre/average and I rate according to what I consider to be teams that are built for and can succeed in the playoffs. I hope Habs go on a run and win at least one playoff round this Spring but I don’t have a good feeling, especially with Price injured or not 100%

  38. Welks says:

    In watching the game yesterday it seemed like a mess, and not sure exactly how to fix it. But the status quo is certainly not working.
    Eller looks to have 0 confidence and I think putting the EGG line back together and adding the pressure to score would not help his situation. He is still only 24 and is a inexpensive third line option.
    To try to mix things up and take some pressure to produce off of Eller, and Vanek likes to play left, Chucky played C/RW in Junior. I would give this a try:

    Pax, DD, Gally
    Vanek, Plex, Chucky
    Moen Eller Gionta (Shutdown line)
    Prust White Wiese

    • The_Truth says:

      Pretty good first 2 lines to try I think. We can’t have both Bourque and Briere out for the Playoffs though.

      I would sit Moen forever and think Eller might have to go to the 4th line in place of White. Bourque-Briere-Gionta could be a decent 3rd line option.

  39. Timo says:

    I am wondering… what is an adequate amount of time to give a coach (and a GM) to prove they can make this team a contender. Two years (clearly not according to some)… three years? How long does the suckitude have to continue before Therrien koolaid drinkers say “yep, time for a new coach”. Just wondering…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You have long been an expert in the field of “Hey this Coach and GM Suck!” Shouldn’t you be telling us? You are the expert in sucktitude afterall.

      • Timo says:

        I told you this the minute Therrien got hired but of course I got slugged and called names. So I am asking the experts like yourself… when does the Therrien project need to invoke the contingency plan and cut the cord?

        • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

          I think if you ask the question you have to be prepared to offer a solution as his replacement. If Therrien was fired now, who would you hire as coach?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think we should change GM’s and Coaches at least every 3 months, that way it provides more opportunities for people to come up with creative ways to say “Hey the Coach and GM Suck!”. Otherwise it makes life for those people very difficult.

        • The_Truth says:

          It depends on the situation and realistic expectations with the roster MT has. I think he is doing an adequate job with the forward core he has and the defensive core which really only has 2 top players in a young PK and an aging Markov. The forward core has one top player in Patches + Vanek now, and a few other decent ones in Pleks, Gally, DD and a young Chucky. He has an elite goalie in Price as well.

          Taking all that into consideration, making the Playoffs and hopefully winning a playoff round has got to be considered a success. I hate to talk like that, but with this roster and the parity around the league (including a number of better teams), we can’t realistically expect more. Objectively the talent on this team is a little above average and that is the results we are getting.

          MT will get at least another season and I really can’t see another coach doing much better. Look at JM and Cunny before MT and we can see this team is better, although the increment is not huge.

          The team was burried by Gainey/Gauthier and it takes time and luck to repair that damage.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      If they miss the playoffs this season and are not close to (or in) a playoff spot come February 2015 I can see Habs making a coaching change

    • D Mex says:

      I am wondering, what is an adequate amount of time for someone to post the same worn-out comments, hoping for attention, before she / he figures out it’s a waste of time. Talk about suckitude …

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

    • nick says:

      MTL might be struggling at the moment, but they are still 4th in the East. Tied for 10th in the league. There really could be worse places could be worse places to be.

      But hey, your right… 4th in the East is pretty unacceptable, so lets fire Therrien. So who are you going to replace him with?

      • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

        I wouldn’t even consider firing him until half-way through next season, in part because I don’t think we’re true Cup contenders now. Let Therrien prove he can’t make the playoffs this season before even discussing it

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        They are 4th statistically sure enough but they are within 4-5 points of 10 th are they not. There are teams on their butts and quite a few of them. It has to sink in to even the most blinded Habs fans that we are potentially in trouble. Yes also they may turn it on some how down the stretch but they better soon start. I have my doubts about this team making the playoffs this year and I sincerely hope I am wrong. Timo is as right as anyone else and we will see. MT is not a good coach as far as the little glimpse of him in CH24 because he comes over as a grade A Axxhole personality. You don’t have to know much about a person when every other word is a F-bomb and the snarl on his face….no he isn’t a likable man at all…just my opinion.

  40. Habitoban says:

    Vanek made a few blind passes last night assuming that there would be someone there. Well, on an offensive team I suspect that there would have been, but welcome to Montreal , where the ghost of the Count still walks the dressing room halls. With a few exceptions, our forwards seem to have no offensive IQ, not even on the PP. I’m always amazed how our PP players rarely get into a position somehere on the open side of the net for the cross ice pass and one-timer. Players like Crosby live there. Cammy lived there. No it’s perimeter cycle and back to the point. Hard to watch.. and then there is the shooting….

  41. gerrybell says:

    just guessing that the pressure in montreal will lead to price coming back too soon, in which case he plays poorly or gets re-injured.

    the only silver lining in this scenario is is that we will miss the playoffs, get our 2nd rounder back from the islanders and MT will be fired. doesnt sound that bad actually.

    • duffy says:

      And we wont have to go through the pain of them getting knocked out by the Leafs in the first round !

    • Timo says:

      Considering that at best Habs will win one game in the first round vs firing Therrien… I’ll take the firing. Get the clown out of here.

      • Habfun says:

        Timo, I agree. I can’t stand the guy, he can’t put or keep a line together, no offensive upside and can’t linematch for his life. Get rid of him now! should never have hired him in the first place, Even Jacques Martin was better!
        But Go Habs Go!! I hope everyday!!

        It’s all about the CH

    • CJ says:

      If we miss the playoffs and fail to trade any of our UFA’s that will be a costly error down the road.

      We held onto Gionta and Markov because we felt like we had a chance to win now. I get that. It was a calculated risk and might yet prove true. However, if we miss the playoffs and are left without having built towards the future, someone is going to have to answer. Injuries will be batted about as the reason why we things haven’t gone better, but at some point, we need to acknowledge the underlying issues within this franchise, be they players and/or coaches.

      • Phil C says:

        You saw what the selling prices were at this deadline. Realistically, what do you really think the could have gotten for Gionta? They obviously want to re-sign Markov and he says he wants to stay so he’s a low risk to test free agency.

        You simply don’t sell when you are in a high-seeded playoff spot. You cannot have all your UFA signed every year either, the flexibility of cap space is also an important, yet undervalued asset around here.

        • CJ says:

          I have no clue what Gionta could have netted via trade. It would be strictly speculative on my part. I know what he will be worth in the summer though – zero. So, we must ask ourselves, is his value to the team today worth more than what we might have gotten at the deadline? Additionally, are there variables that, where impacted, could harm our brand going forward?

          Again, I understand why moves were not made. All I am suggesting is that if we wish to push forward into that next tier and become a great team we are going to need to take some risks and go against the grain, bucking conventional wisdom.

          Gionta has 15 games to prove me wrong. Let me close by saying I hope I am wrong.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Hey CJ! I was reading an old post about an Enforcer for Cornwall that used to show up for games with no gloves? It reminded me of when I was coaching Midget in the Intercity League a few years back. I was allowed 1 over age(18yr old) player. He showed up to the first practice and told me he would miss most practices and some games because he worked for his brother”s moving co. after school,but he would make it for all the games against the rough teams. Third game into the season against a goon team he shows up with these old,ratty,leather gloves. I”m looking at him and the gloves and he says,”these are my old man”s gloves coach!” He turns them over and the palms were cut out! First period he laid a licking on one of their goons which was a sight to behold. Saludos!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          You’ve got some great stories Front, always makes me chuckle.

          CHeers bud.

        • CJ says:

          Cool story. You would have loved the Cornwall Comets. I am not sure if anyone else ever watched an LNAH game, but this was the league below. It was just so crazy you didn’t dare miss a minute. I must have seen at least 8 bench clearing brawls and at least 5 brawls during the warmup.

          I was at the game when Dan Tice got hit over the head with a hockey stick. It made TSN.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      I agree

  42. MacHenri says:

    Another day off after another loss.

    Hab player thinks “We lose. We get a day off. We win. We practice.”

    Where is the reinforcement of positive behaviour?

    What would Scotty Bowman, Claude Ruel and Toe Black think?

    I am just saying.

  43. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Is that the same knee he hurt in the playoffs last year? Recurring injury is scary…

  44. duffy says:

    Instead of a day off they should have spent the day shooting at the net. I have never seen a team miss the net more than these guys do.

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    Folks it could be much worse, look at what these poor fans have had happen to them.

    Ownership selling small and large beers for $3 difference, but cups while different in shape, hold same amount.

    Granted the amazing part is how long it took these folks to figure it out.

    http://deadspin.com/fans-sue-arena-after-video-reveals-large-and-small-beer-1542917808

  46. sweetmad says:

    I have just read through the ALN thread and here,now I have admitted many times that I don’t know much about hockey,but I wander about how many of you look at life.That game last night we did everything we could to score,MT changed the lines he put the kids back together put Vanek on with Max and DD,which is what most of you wanted,have any of you checked the boxscore,we beat them in nearly all the areas except scoring,why not just say Rask was by far the better goalie.

    Of course it wasn’t a perfect game,we didn’t win,but it was nowhere near as bad as a lot of people are saying,if you add the blocked shots to the shots that made it we out shot them by,9 we had 5 more takeaways than they did, we won nearly 2 thirds of the face offs,agaist one of the best f/o teams .I think 90% 0f the people on here are bandwagon fans and a few who aren’t fans at all,if we don’t win there is no credit for a hard fought game.

    I have been reading HIO from the begining,only posting for a couple of years,used to post on the HABS forum,but they were getting too negative,now it’s getting just as bad here,all this negativity sucks the life out of this place,the same as it will anywhere,it’s just no fun anymore,not worth doing if it isn’t fun.
    GO HABS GO

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      “8 year olds, dude.”

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        He does have a valid point. If you watched the game from start to finish (I know you were there), Habs could have been up 3-0 after the 1st. A lot of people are acting like they didn’t even show up or quit on the coach. Every time the Habs lose its the new worst game of the season.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Awesome quote.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • bwoar says:

      Many read and post less because of the issue you bring up. In the last year every hockey forum I visit has taken a turn for the darker and so, I just read and participate less.

    • The Jackal says:

      You’re 100% right sweetmad, HIO is a victim of its own success.
      I’ve been reading the threads since it came to be and have been posting since last year or so, and there has been a marked increase in the number of posters who post idiotic negative BS and a marked decline in the posters who made HIO great – less thoughtful, insightful, and reasoned posts and more garbage are the norm here. We need more UCE and co. not more posters like…. well you all know who the dummies are.

      ______________________
      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  47. Gazza Strip says:

    All the talk saying Carrie Price could play if we really needed him to has lead us to the place where he needs to be back in the net by Saturday. Budaj is a solid backup but he can’t carry the load himself.
    We need our best player on the ice if we want to get things moving in the right direction. Last night, one horrible and two semi soft goals got in our net. I thought ours guys played about as well as the Bruins but didn’t get the same level of goaltending you need to win.
    I agree with the posters who are suggesting that Vanek gets off the Gio, Pleks line. He needs to be on a line that isn’t being asked to stop the top line from the other team.

    I’m not going to jump on MT’s back like so many of the others around here but I’d like to see a few changes. Not sure another day off is warranted after last night’s game.
    Gotta go dig out of a foot of snow in my yard.
    Cheers

  48. Rad says:

    Lot of glum faces on the Habs player interviews (above). Team morale seems to be at a season low. The players are depressed, down, and out. It’s one thing for the captain to say that “the snowball is rolling the wrong way,” it’s another thing to change it. The game against Ottawa on Saturday night is all-important, but we don’t usually play our best hockey against that team. The only momentum-changer I see coming up is the return of Price from injury. Until that happens, the skid will continue.

  49. Adidess says:

    Not panicking, but I am a little bit worried about fighting off other playoff pretenders (eg Detroit) in order to secure our spot.

  50. Hobie Hansen says:

    With the new CBA, all clubs need to schedule no less than four days off (two at home and two on the road) for players during each full calendar month. Players will be notified prior to the start of each month which days they will be off, and the team’s schedule should not be altered absent compelling circumstances. Travel days not included.

    • CJ says:

      Thank you for sharing. I have been looking forward to seeing if Montreal is active in pursuing complimentary talent. I hope some of these players are on the radar. Aside from one of the 50 professional contracts they take up, there is not a lot of risk associated with signing a college UFA.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Thanks for the free agent list! I always like to see who may be available. Perhaps Bergevin should try to sign Chelios!

      Habfan17

  51. danimal72 says:

    They don’t have to practice per se, but couldn’t you at least have the whole team stand in front of an empty next and practice actually hitting it! Bloody hell, this team is frustrating to watch…
    I get the whole “fans don’t know” thing, but everyone including the pundits but MT is on the same page. Why he doesn’t even try different things is beyond me…
    I also realize Pierre McGuire is a bit of a blowhard, but I am starting to think the Molson’s hired the wrong guy. He has called all of our problems before they became the problems he said they would…

  52. AceTen says:

    Really surprised they are getting another day off. This team could really use the practice right about now.

  53. Cal says:

    WTF is it with all these days off after shitty performances? FFS! As if they can’t use the practice? Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!

  54. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Coach Ukrainianhab lines. He does not speak french so if you do not like the lines he will never be coach anyway!!!

    Vanek-Plekanec-Pacioretty.
    Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
    Wiese-Desharnais-Gionta
    Moen-White-Prust

  55. CJ says:

    I’ve posted my piece on the previous thread. Lots of finger pointing and worst case scenario stuff.

    Going against the grain a minute….

    When I looked at this 10 game stretch I regarded 4-4-2 as a satisfactory outcome. Without Price, I am sure my expectations would have shifted. The team is currently 3-4-1. Not great, but, and that’s a big BUT, if they can win their next two and finish 5-4-1, then I must consider this to have bettered my expectations.

    Our season, IMO still hangs in the balance. It will depend largely on whether or not Price returns to full health and regains his previous level of play. No, he is not responsible for scoring goals, but this team lacks confidence and could use a boost right now. Gorges is not going to be back soon, so we must either work from within (promote someone from Hamilton) or find a solution on the existing roster.

    Personally, although I thought the lineup last night was better, there is still room for improvement. Hopefully there is good news on the injury front in days ahead.

    I guess this is a long way of saying that we are not dead yet. Just when this team seems poised to be written off, they string together a few wins and suck the fans back in. I am hoping that the turnaround starts this weekend. Sadly, if not, I am not sure what could stop the slide. Perhaps the sense of urgency and the opposition can create a jump start that gets the boys back on track.

    I can’t give up now, there is only 15 games left. Admittedyly my expectations are pretty low, but I will be watching and cheering for a better result.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      With Price and Gorges out, I don’t think we have the leadership to stem this slide

      • CJ says:

        I share a very similar concern. It must sound like I have it out for Gionta, which honestly I don’t, but I sincerely believe that there is a leadership void. I understand the message it would have sent, and I understand all the reasons not to make the move, but if there was a potential for a decent return, moving Gionta IMO, was the thing to do.

        Sometimes you need to go against the grain of general public opinion.

        • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

          I’m sure Therrien fought any instinct Bergevin had to be a seller at the deadline. They both at least partially make decisions to keep their jobs safe

    • Habs24Hockey says:

      well put! cheers…

    • HabsPooch says:

      There will only be improvements made when the coaches stop giving the players free passes and start practicing on what they’re not doing well. Our power play failure lately is a big concern and shouldn’t be considering the top talent we have. Coaching must get better.

      • CJ says:

        Good post. Some great points. Thing is, it has been proven that you don’t need a great PP to be successful. The Bruins won a Stanley Cup with almost no PP goals. However, in the absence of a great PP, you need to make up the difference somewhere else. The fact that our 5×5 scoring is 29th in the leauge, along with the fact that our PP has struggled since the New Year creates a major void.

        Lastly, I do agree. It would seem as though we have the talent. For whatever reason, most likely coaching and/or confidence, the guys are not putting it together.

  56. bwoar says:

    Glad we have so many experienced NHL coaches on this site. So glad!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      MB has lots of options available should he decide to make a change in coaches.

    • D Mex says:

      It’s painfully obvious – yet again, that few here have coaching experience at any level. Certainly, a dearth of people who know how to find strengths and accentuate them, mitigate weaknesses, motivate what you are given to work with, and know what it takes to get their best.

      It’s just easier – and too much fun, apparently – to wax negative and blame. The same crap went on during the Olympics and was authored by the very same group of morons.

      No surprise, tho : go back and take another look at ALN – in particular, the portion that follows the YouTube link, and you can easily see where the trend begins, over and over … and over again.

      ALWAYS Habs -
      D Mex

  57. Mick says:

    Mt has to go?
    or wake up?
    or he is a great coach?
    I think he is lost in his own little world and will go down swinging even if the ship is sinking.
    He can’t change. Doomed!

  58. Sportfan says:

    the way this team is being coached it is almost like MT wants one offensive line which is the patches line and everyone else has to play DEFENSE, it never seems he wants to have a second scoring line, ideally Briere, Vanek, Gally are there to score, but our second line is Plek and Gionta who have become a defensive line taking away offensive punch.

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  59. Habs24Hockey says:

    Why another day off? They have been off since the Olympics!

    Side note: I believe it’s time Pateryn and Beaulieu got the call up. These guys have to realize that there is talent just waiting to get the opportunity to play with the Big Club.

    These guys are flat, and it shows….Maybe another day off will help them out! C’mon MT

  60. Alex_425 says:

    So, anything new on Tim Bozon come out lately? Latest I’ve heard is the kid is still in the hospital, being kept in an induced coma.

    Can’t imagine what his family is going through right now, it’s horrible.

    • CJ says:

      Nothing that I can find. I was actually just searching. If I find anything this afternoon, I will link it up.

      You are spot on. This is a horrible situation. I just hope that there is a positive outcome.

  61. jols says:

    Horse crap on blaming the CBA. The CBA says every team must give their players 4 days off a month. This is 3 days off in less then a week. 5 days if you include the games against the Bruins and the Sharks cause none of them showed up for those games anyway. In the last 6 days they have had Friday off, Monday off, and Thursday off – this is not mandated by the CBA, it’s a decision made by a buffoon.

  62. SC-24 says:

    I think the best place for vanek is on the 1st line the two Gally’s with pleks and we may have a chance at saving our season. Briere, Eller, and Gionta I think would make a good 3rd line the 4th line is up for Grabs. what do we have to lose at this point. Go all out or no playoffs that’s MB and MT’s decision.

  63. Sportfan says:

    I know the CBA says they have to get a day off, but yeah they should have picked friday and made these guys work there butts off today.

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  64. bwoar says:

    After reviewing the game, I’m back to where I started. Parros should’ve been in. Lucic ran around with no response and players are afraid of him when he’s on the ice. Pure chickenshite in fact.

    If the big guy can’t go, the Habs need a younger enforcer, immediately. If the skill guys are gonna turn into cowards when a guy who likes to hit is on the ice, the coach needs to be able to answer back.

    • BobbySmithWasClutch says:

      Yes but I’d hope ideally we’d be more ‘team tough’ and not need to rely on one enforcer who can’t really play hockey. I would have thought Murray or Tinordi could answer back. I guess unfortunately Emelin can’t. Also, I think we have to tip our cap to Lucic, he’s very good at what he does, is a very good fighter and intimidates most players.

    • Habs24Hockey says:

      “Glad we have so many experienced NHL coaches on this site. So glad!” -you said it best!

    • HabsPooch says:

      +1. We have no answer for Lucic.

    • SC-24 says:

      bwoar – Lucic is not gonna go after parros, no tough guy is gonna do that. they don’t want to be the one to end parros career and have to live with it. should parros want to fight than their choice is to fight him or walk away. I for one wouldn’t want to be the one having to make that choice.

      • bwoar says:

        I get that. But my point is that we need an answer for a physical force that’s putting the skill guys off their game. If not Parros, then someone who will be feared. Lucic doesn’t run around near as much when he knows the other team has a bruiser warning him not to. He isn’t that brave.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I see your point, and perhaps it would have helped. Just that Parros appears even less effective in recent outings. Totally agree that we do have to have that element in the lineup for reg. season games, it’s a shame, but it is the NHL today.

        • habinkam says:

          Lucic , Kassian, Hornton, Iginla, Brower, Simmonds, for example are top 6ers that can really fight and put up points teams drool over them heck even good 3rd liners like Prust, Clarkson etc are a hot commodity. That’s why Montreal drafted McCarron, and in my opinion a more effective Crisp last year to hopefully become that type of player. As much as I hate to say it though it will always be hard to answer Lucic he is tops in his weight class and scores 20 25 a year Iginla is going to the HOF by doing that.

          • bwoar says:

            Kassian is not a top 6 player and if Brower is it’s a mistake.

            Without a Lucic, you answer him with a healthy Parros, or a Colton Orr, John Scott etc. An enforcer. They grow on trees and should be easy to find. Like I said, Lucic plays a different game when he knows he might get beaten up.

    • Phil C says:

      Do you really think the presence of Parros would have prevented Lucic from hitting Emelin. Seriously? How exactly would that work?

      • HabsPooch says:

        Then why have Parros on the team? It’s his job to keep everyone honest out there. Had Parros been in the lineup, no it wouldn’t have necessarily stopped Lucic from pasting Emelin but at least he would have to pay the price fighting Parros.

      • bwoar says:

        Phil, please kindly read my response to SC-24. It’s not about one play, or fighting the other guys’s goon, it’s pretty simple counter-intimidation tactics. MB knows it and it’s Hockey 101 really.

        • Phil C says:

          While I agree with you philosophy in principle, the presence of Murray should have been enough to deter Lucic. Parros and Murray are about the same leve of force in the nuclear deterrent department. To be fair, Lucic never crossed the line so maybe it worked. Lucic was throwing legal hits. There is not an enforcer in the league that will stop him from doing that. Intimidation has limits.

          • bwoar says:

            Murray is not a known enforcer and isn’t the kind of guy I’ll referring to. The problem here is “about the same level of force” isn’t enough. “A guy who could tune you up, and you know it” is the level it takesto deter a Lucic from running around all over the ice. Laraque did it, Parros too… that’s what I’m referring to.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Practice both days and give them the days off later in the month. When everything is going wrong and you power play slips from top 3 to bottom of the pack, you work on things. They don’t have to be hard practices!

      Habfan17

  65. mrhabby says:

    Day off due to CBA requirement.

  66. habs001 says:

    If you look at just goal scoring abilities of each forward, based on where they are in their careers,there is very little more goals i see in them in what they have produced this year…

  67. dabouz says:

    MT has to go.

  68. ProHabs says:

    Are you serious??????? The boys just had a weeks holiday down in California (they didn’t go there to play hockey), then had Monday off, took last night off and now another day off. I guess they have nothing to work on.

  69. Habfan17 says:

    What a surprise! Another day off!! Yes, I know they get so many mandated days off, the Habs have had more!! Therrien is out of practice ideas!! I guess he has run out of line combinations to try.

    Maybe he should bring up Dubnyk and then dress Budaj as a 4th line player.

    Habfan17

  70. Ironhogs says:

    I keep saying. Line of patches, Galy and Vanek. !!!!!!

  71. Donkey Hoat says:

    The boys really deserve a day off.

    On another note, I find I’m getting more cynical and sarcastic.

  72. Loop_Garoo says:

    I know this is likely another one of those pre-sched days off, but it seems if there was ever a need to practice, even just a light scrimmage, to build some chemistry, this would be the time. Maybe there is more going on than we know, a bunch of banged up players who need rest or something like that.

  73. habstrinifan says:

    wow! A day off! Holy Freakin.

    On a personal note: I love Pauline Marois in a hijab! She looks like one of those 70 virgins Al Queada promises suicide bombers.

    What’s that ticking? Hope its my heart!

  74. BJ says:

    He should play him with Brier the Scotsman

  75. jlgib1019 says:

    Roster needs a huge turnover.

    jr

  76. jlgib1019 says:

    Gionta is awful and Markov is a shell of himself. 2 of the players we need to get rid of to grow. We’ve never won anything with Markov and his play has always dipped in the playoffs

    jr

  77. Mr_MacDougall says:

    I love Prust but have no faith in his ability to stay healthy… Not sure how long he has left In The league playing the style he needs to bee effective.

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

  78. HabsPooch says:

    If that’s what Therien said then he’s even worse than what I thought.
    No excuses.


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