Habs Future

Brendan Gallagher

Robert Rice (SeriousFan09) checks in with his stats on prospects in the Canadiens organization.
A familiar name tops the Three Stars list.

1. RW Brendan Gallagher should come as no surprise to many as being the headlining member of this week’s Three Stars selections and as usual, the straw that stirs the Vancouver Giants. Gallagher’s best work was seen early, the first game of the week was easily his best of the young season. In a nearly single-handed domination of the Victoria Royals, Gallagher would record a hat trick and add two assists to have the second five-point game of his WHL career, it was also his 4th career hat trick. Gallagher later added an assist on his next game, an eventual 3-2 loss and then had his points streak of 5 straight games snapped on Saturday night in a 5-1 loss. Gallagher is 9th in the WHL in goals scored and everyone ahead of him has played at least two more games. Gallagher was drafted by the Montreal Canadiens in the 5th round, 147th overall in the 2010 Entry Draft.

2. RW Danny Kristo has begun his season with North Dakota on a quick pace and seems extremely determined to set his sophomore slump behind him. He collected a single assist on Friday night against the University of Maine in a 3-1 win for North Dakota helping on the insurance goal. On Saturday night, Kristo’s offence was essential to North Dakota avoiding a loss as he assisted on the first goal and scored two goals himself as the team managed a 3-3 tie against Maine in their back-to-back series. Kristo now has two goals and five assists in four games this season, leads North Dakota in points and is 14th overall in national NCAA scoring. Kristo was drafted in the 2nd round, 56th overall in the 2008 Entry Draft.

3. C Brock Trotter was seen as a player who would have to carry the offence for the Hamilton Bulldogs this season and so far, has not shied from the task. In Hamilton’s second game of the season, Trotter helped create the team’s first three goals of the game, picking up three assists in a 4-0 victory for Hamilton on the road over the St John’s IceCaps in their home opener. He was held without a point in Hamilton’s 6-2 loss on the following game against the IceCaps however. Trotter’s three-point game raised his scoring totals to two goals, five assists, good enough for first in Hamilton scoring by four points and 13th overall in AHL scoring. Trotter was signed as a free agent by Montreal in February of 2008.

Worthy Mentions: D Nathan Beaulieu was named an Alternate Captain of the Saint John Sea Dogs this week, becoming the sixth Canadiens CHL prospect to wear a letter with his team. C Philip DeSimone collected two goals on the week, his first two points and goals in the AHL. D Morgan Ellis scored his 3rd goal of the season to continue on a point per game season pace. C Joonas Nattinen scored his first goal in his first career AHL game.

Question Marks: C Michäel Bournival is out with an upper-body injury that may have him missing a month. C Louis Leblanc is recovering from off-season shoulder surgery. D Brendon Nash is recovering from shoulder surgery in early October. D Jarred Tinordi after suffering a cut in a fight which he lost badly is likely out for 1-2 weeks. RW Maxim Trunev is without a point in his last 7 KHL games.

Complete Statistics for the week of October 10th, 2011

Legend: Skaters: Games Played, Goals, Assists, +/-, Penalty Minutes
 | Goalies: Wins, Losses, Overtime Losses, Shootout Losses, Goals Against Average, Save Percentage
Teams: Wins, Losses, Overtime Losses, Shootout Losses, Ties (for NCAA teams only)
 | Season Stats: Season scoring prior to the past week.

The AHL Report: The Hamilton Bulldogs have been the AHL affiliate of the Montreal Canadiens since 2002. It is the most common route for developing Montreal Canadiens prospects into full-time members of the organization. There are currently 12 members of the Hamilton Bulldogs that can be thought to have consideration for an NHL position. The Hamilton Bulldogs have a record of 2-1-0-0 in the Western Conference, North Division.

RW Alexander Avtsin: 20 years old, 6’2″, 199 pounds, RH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 1A, 0, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, 0, 0 PIM

LW Alain Berger: 20 years old, 6’4”, 211 pounds, RH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 1A, +1, 0 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 0A, -1, 2 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, 0, 2 PIM

RW Mike Blunden: 24 years old, 6’4”, 218 pounds, RH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 1A, 0, 0 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, 0, 0 PIM

C Philip DeSimone 24 years old, 6’1”, 188 pounds, LH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 2G, 0A, -2, 2 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 2G, 0A, -2, 2 PIM

C Gabriel Dumont: 20 years old, 5’10”, 189 pounds, RH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 4 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 1G, 0A, -1, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -1, 4 PIM

D Mark Mitera: 23 years old, 6’3”, 210 pounds, LH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 1A, -1, 2 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, -1, 2 PIM

C Joonas Nättinen: 20 years old, 6’2”, 199 pounds, RH shot.

Season Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 2GP, 1G, 0A, -2, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 2GP, 1G, 0A, -2, 0 PIM

RW Brock Trotter: 24 years old, 5’10”, 180 pounds, RH shot.

Season Stats: 1GP, 2G, 2A, +2, 0 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 3A, -2, 4 PIM | Complete Stats: 3GP, 2G, 5A, 0, 4 PIM

Called up to Montreal:

C Andreas Engqvist: 23 years old, 6’4″, 191 pounds, RH shot. Season Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM

RW Aaron Palushaj: 22 years old, 6′, 188 pounds, RH shot. Season Stats: 1GP, 0G, 2A, +1, 0 PIM

Injured:

G Peter Delmas: 21 years old, 6’2”, 188 pound, Catches Left. Season Stats: 0 GP, 0-0-0-0, 0.00GAA, 1.00 Save %

C Louis Leblanc: 20 years old, 6’, 180 pounds, RH shot. Season Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM

D Brendon Nash: 23 years old, 6’3″, 210 pounds, LH shot. Season Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM

The Juniors Report:

The Canadiens currently feature prospects playing in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL), the Ontario Hockey League (OHL) and the Western Hockey League (WHL). These leagues can be considered the primary conduit towards professional hockey in North America.

QMJHL:
LW Olivier Archambeault: 18 years old, 5’11”, 184 pounds. LH shot. Drummondville Voltigeurs (6W, 7L, 1 OTL, 0 SOL – 13th of 17th overall in the QMJHL)

Season Stats: 5GP, 4G, 3A, -4, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -2, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 8GP, 5G, 3A, -6, 2 PIM

D Nathan Beaulieu: 18 years old, 6’3”, 191 pounds, LH shot. Saint John Sea Dogs – Alternate Captain (9W, 5L, 0 OTL, 0 SOL- 2nd of 17th overall in the QMJHL)

Season Stats: 7GP, 2G, 4A, +1, 21 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, +2, 11 PIM | Complete Stats: 10GP, 2G, 5A, +3, 32 PIM

C Michaël Bournival: 19 years old, 6’, 187 pounds, LH shot. Shawinigan Cataractes – Team Captain (8W, 5L, 1 OTL, 1 SOL – 6th of 17th overall in the QMJHL.)

Season Stats: 7GP, 10G, 3A, +6, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 7GP, 10G, 3A, +6, 2 PIM

D Morgan Ellis: 19 years old, 6’2″, 204 pounds, RH shot.  Cape Breton Screaming Eagles – Team Captain
(6W, 7L, 0 OTL, 1 SOL – 15th of 17th overall in the QMJHL)

Season Stats: 6GP, 2G, 6A, +3, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -3, 6 PIM | Complete Stats: 9GP, 3G, 6A, 0, 8 PIM

OHL:

D Jarred Tinordi: 19 years old, 6’7″, 215 pounds, LH shot.
 London Knights – Team Captain
(8W, 2L, 0 OTL, 0 SOL – 4th of 20th overall in the OHL)

Season Stats: 5GP, 0G, 2A, +5, 15 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 1GP, 0G, 0A, +2, 7 PIM | Complete Stats: 6GP, 0G, 2A, +7, 22 PIM

WHL:
D Darren Dietz: 18 years old, 6’1”, 195 pounds, RH shot. Saskatoon Blades – Alternate Captain
(7W, 2L, 0 OTL, 0 SOL – 1st of 22nd overall in the WHL)

Season Stats: 6GP, 2G, 4A, +5, 4 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 3GP, 0G, 0A, +1, 2 PIM | Complete Stats: 8GP, 2G, 4A, +6, 6 PIM

RW Brendan Gallagher: 19 years old, 5’8″, 175 pounds, RH shot. 
Junior Club: Vancouver Giants – Alternate Captain
(4W, 5L, 0 OTL, 1 SOL – 13th of 22nd overall in the WHL)

Season Stats: 3GP, 4G, 0A, +2, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 3GP, 7G, 3A, +3, 4 PIM | Complete Stats: 6GP, 7G, 3A, +5, 6 PIM

US College Hockey (NCAA) Report: The Canadiens have drafted a number of college players in recent years, these are generally ‘project players’ who benefit from additional years in lower level hockey to develop their skills.

D Mac Bennett: 20 years old,  6′, 180 pounds, LH shot.
 University of Michigan Wolverines
(3W, 0L, 0T)

Season Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, +3, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 1GP, 0G, 3A, +5, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 4GP, 0G, 4A, +8, 2 PIM
RW Danny Kristo: 21 years old, 5’11”, 188 pounds, RH shot.: University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux
(2W, 1L, 1T)
Season Stats: 2GP, 0G, 3A, +3, 2 PIM | 
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 2G, 2A, +1, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 4GP, 2G, 5A, +4, 2 PIM

C Mark MacMillan: 19 years old, 6’, 170 pounds, LH shot. University of North Dakota Fighting Sioux
(2W, 1L, 1T)

Season Stats: 2GP, 0G, 2A, -3, 2 PIM
Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 0A, -1, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 4GP, 0G, 2A, -4, 0 PIM

D Greg Pateryn: 21 years old, 6’3”, 222 pounds, RH shot. University of Michigan Wolverines
(3W, 0L, 0T)

Season Stats: 3GP, 1G, 0A, +3, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 1GP, 1G, 2A, +4, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 4GP, 2G, 2A, 7, 2 PIM

LW Steve Quailer: 21 years old, 6’4”, 200 pounds, LH shot. Northeastern University Huskies
(1W, 1L, 1T)

Season Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM
Weekly Stats: 1GP, 0G, 1A, +1, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 1GP, 0G, 1A, +1, 0 PIM

C Dustin Walsh: 20 years old, 6’3”, 190 pounds, LH shot. Dartmouth College Big Green

Season Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM
Weekly Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 0GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM

Czech Extraliga Report: The Extraliga is the top professional league in the Czech Reppublic.

C Daniel Pribyl: 18 years old, 6’3”, 190 pounds, RH shot. HC Sparta Praha
(7W, 2L, 2 OTL, 0 SOL – 2nd of 14th overall in the League)

Season Stats: 6GP, 1G, 0A, -2, 2 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 1GP, 0G, 0A, 0, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 7GP, 1G, 0A, -2, 2 PIM

Elitserien Report: The Swedish Elite League as it is the top professional league of Sweden.

D Magnus Nygren: 21 years old, 6’1”, 191 pounds, RH shot. Farjestads BK
(3W, 4L, 5 OTL – 11th of 12 overall in the League)

Season Stats: 9GP, 4G, 1A, -6, 0 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 3GP, 0G, 1A, 0, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 12GP, 4G, 2A, -6, 0 PIM

Kontinental Hockey League (KHL) Report: The Kontinental Hockey League is the professional hockey league of Russia, Due to a lack of a comprehensive transfer agreement between the NHL and the KHL it can be very difficult for NHL clubs to attract their drafted Russian prospects.
RW Maxim Trunev: 20 years old, 5’11”, 189 pounds, RH shot.
: Severstal Cherepovets
(6W, 4L, 0 OTL, 1 SOL – 15th of 23rd overall in the League)

Season Stats: 8GP, 2G, 1A, +4, 0 PIM
 | Weekly Stats: 2GP, 0G, 0A, -5, 0 PIM | Complete Stats: 10GP, 0G, 0A, -1, 0 PIM

201 Comments

  1. habitual says:

    Robert, what are you seeing with Avtsin? Is he going to make the bigs?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Too early to say, he has excellent puck skills, he has good skating and solid size but the concern I’ve picked up is something like the AK thing in bringing it all together, also some concerns about overall hockey sense.

      I’m going to keeping tabs on his statistics very carefully this season. Looking for him to at least double his previous-season output.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  2. zak says:

    Serious, in one of your posts you said that if we have to surround DD with bigger players to get HIM going he’s not worth keeping.Any suggestions with what we should do with Gomez. Seems to me that JM spent the whole year screwing up lines to get him going. If DD plays with Pac and AK and they’re getting pts I’d call that a good line.

  3. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Excellent article and posts in general SeriousFan/Robert.

    It really feels like people are drinking torontos koolaid with DD flavor.

    RDS is not helping, they must have said DD SCORES 50 times, forgetting to say it was perfect passing from AK and MaxPac…

    For that matter, Eller has looked great, strong, fast and smart.

    Put him with AK and Eller…

  4. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Finally ! …Robert’s Habs’ Future makes HIO ‘complete’ for Me, and a sign the Real Season has begun
    …I love following the young-blood percolating, as well following the oft tortured and winding path of My Habs
    …Robert is no scout or font of hockey expertise, but He is an indefatigable aggregator and is often more right than wrong in His personal observations
    …really wish there was a separate permanent Habs’ Future page within HIO I can go to on a daily basis to read Robert’s updates

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY
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  5. HardHabits says:

    I am not one of the so called positive spinners here, at least not as of late.

    However I do appreciate attempts by people to paint a rosier picture than the one that I currently see. What I don’t do is berate the people who do. I have in the past but I am making efforts to not go down that path any more.

    So please. Counter the ideas. Coming here to post how great of a fan you think you are because you think sticking with the team means never criticizing doesn’t really make you a better fan.

    Ed Lopaz mentioned something that I think is worth mentioning and that is that the loss against Colorado was at the very least an entertaining game to watch. I’d prefer they lose that way than win the way they did against the Jets.

    Just to stir the pot. If Plex is your 2nd line centre you’re strong , if he’s your 1st line centre you’re not. Habs need a #1 centre.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Disagree, losing because of serious flaws in playing team defence and goaltending is not what fills me with hope about the team and I am a futurist. I like that we scored 5 goals twice in our first four outings but do we want to roll the dice on see-saw battles like our COL game? I don’t.

      Price has to sharpen up, Team defence, Subban and our PK units have to be better.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • habitual says:

      Aw come on HH, lighten up. Yes, Les Boys piss me off, including as recently as the last two games. But you don’t miss a mortgage payment when Les Boys stink, and with almost no imagination you can move on to something else to enjoy.

      And anyone who can’t has serious issues.

  6. RetroMikey says:

    Robert Rice (AKA Serious Fan09)
    Could you do an article on Guy Rouleau as well who was drafted by the Habs organization in the 80’s? Do you remember him?
    Then you can see why Gallagher will not play for us nor Kristo.
    They are just too small to play in a bigger world of the NHL.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Can you give us another tale of how PK Subban is an overhyped junior player who we need to dump for a draft pick before other teams figure out he’s going to be a bust?

      Or better yet, look up the career of a guy called Mats Naslund. Or check out this really cool guy in Tampa called Martin St Louis, I hear he’s pretty good as well. Our captain is an inch shorter than Gallagher as well and has over 200 career NHL goals. Cammalleri is an inch taller and Gallagher’s already got a better physical game than he does and consistently drives the net, shifting around guys half a foot taller than him. Buffalo’s best forward is Derek Roy, 5’9″.

      Kristo is 5’11”, plenty of good NHL players are that height, or even shorter and plenty of good players spend several years in NCAA hockey before making an NHL debut.

      But please, continue to make negative assumptions based on your ridiculous armchair notions of what makes an NHL player.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • RetroMikey says:

        Whoa! Someone had a bad Tim Horton’s coffee! Chill out and have an ice cappuccino instead.
        Just want you to write an article on Guy Rouleau and why the organization let him go, that’s all.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          You used an arcane example of a draft pick from the 1980s to make some vague point about how a couple of rising prospects are going to bust.

          I figured I’d just take the opportunity to mock another one of your ridiculous ramblings.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I like how Retro can be a smart ass to you Serious, but when he is rebuffed, then suddenly you are the one being snarky. Well played Mauer.

    • Jordio-oh says:

      Rouleau was never drafted by the Canadiens.

    • DearyLeary says:

      How about Martin St. Louis? Is he too small?

      Claude Giroux? Zetterberg? Patrick Kane? Briere? Matt Duchene?

      All guys under 6′, all guys who finished in the top 30 in scoring.

      Talent and drive defines players. Size doesn’t hurt, but it’s not some catch-all stat that fixes bad players.

  7. HardHabits says:

    Draft Early. Draft Often.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Draft Smart. Or be Columbus.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Oh come on Robert, I heard Doug Maclean remind me daily how brilliant he was for figuring out to draft Rick Nash with the 1st overall pick. Just because the other 40some players he drafted are not in the NHL doesn’t mean anything.

      • HardHabits says:

        Screw Columbus. I don’t give a r*ts *ss about Columbus. If the league was filled with dumb *ss teams like Columbus maybe the Habs would have a chance of winning the Cup but instead the league is filled with teams like Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, Vancouver, Pittsburgh, and Washington that make it impossible for the Habs to be anything other than play-off cannon fodder and a tune up for these real Cup contenders.

        Even Detroit had Yzerman. They didn’t pick him in the late rounds.

        If the Habs get out of October with a .500 record I’ll obviously be happy but they are facing a major up-hill battle and do not impress. I still think 7 of the next 14 is not within the cards for them. But that’s why we bet on sports.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Still a key part of the mantra. Many a team has been stung by an ill choice in the top areas. To this day, how many here lament AK at 10th with Parise at 17 and Getzlaf at 19th?

          The Habs generally, selected very well over the last 5 years. But they must continue that. Our Top 4 picks from the 2007 class has essentially graduated to the NHL. Kristo, Quailer are poised to put their past troubles behind them from ’08. 2009, Leblanc, Nattinen, Avtsin, Dumont are signed, Avtsin and Dumont’s already on his sophomore AHL campaign, Bennett is a favourite as well. 2010, hey, Tinordi, Gallagher alone are a good haul, plus sleepers in Ellis and MacMillan (and Ellis is turning up his O this season). 2011, we’ve got Beaulieu and Dietz, plus some risk-reward in Pribyl, Archambeault.

          This year, I want to see two well-ranked offensive prospects with the 1/2 line line upside selected in the Top 60 by Montreal. At least one that has the ‘nose for the net’ and go for a nice sleeper, perhaps Raphael Bussieres as Ed lopaz suggested, @Rick1042 of Mckeen’s Hockey figures he’s a 2nd-3rd rounder ATM.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            It’s still eggs in the basket and the basket is neither brimming nor are there any prize turkey eggs in it.

            At the moment and into the near future I do not see a cup winning formula in the Habs organization. It’s more of the same skate a team that fights for the remaining play-off spots over and over again.

            As per 2003, Kostitsyn wasn’t the best choice back then but on the current Habs roster he is one of the better players. Of the recent free agent signings the only one I like is Cammalleri. Of Gionta and Desharnais I’d keep DD and trade Gio. Gomez should be dumped as soon as possible. Plex is not a #1 centre. The Habs need one and Plex as #2. Markov should not have been resigned.

            All the moves the Habs make speak volumes about the desire to just make the play-offs. We’ll see how things pan out in the next couple of years but contention for the Habs is in the future if it even exists. Very, very into the future.

          • zak says:

            Komi,Higgins, Chipchura, Fisher.SK, D’Ags,OB,Riberio,Lats Grabowski, Maxwell. Other than Maxwell, Fisher and Chipchura the other guys are playing well for other teams

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            That’s every team’s situation in the NHL, it’s all based on this guy being healthy and that guy not sucking. Crosby’s concussion (and a crappy doctor) killed the Penguins last year. Sharks ran into a brick wall called their only puck-moving D with a pulse was Dan Boyle, Top-10 D but by himself.

            Habs have created for themselves a situation where next season, six players under 22 and one 23-year old join Hamilton. They’ve just graduated 5 Bulldogs, plus added Emelin and Diaz. And drop Gionta and keep DD? You moan about size and you say keep the slower, smaller, weaker player that needs two 6′ guys with PF bodies to protect him.

            Markov, even at 80, 85% of his best is still a good tool for this organization especially considering we need to help Yemelin transition and have a teaching resource for Diaz, PK and Weber about the role of a PMD in the NHL. Who do you propose we sign to mentor these young puck-movers if Markov was dumped? Wisniewski? Ehrhoff? Please. Gill can teach some defence and positioning but these guys need to learn about picking your spots and timing your offence, Markov is a genius in that area.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            Markov if healthy, which he isn’t. DD is cheaper than Gio and was developed in house but I’d drop both of them and keep Cammy and Plex. The Habs still need an elite centre.

            I don’t mind losing. I don’t mind developing. But lets not waste the future on nothing going on today.

            To be honest I am looking forward to seeing which of the current crop of prospects makes it and stays long term with the Habs. It’s still 2 years until any of them crack the line-up.

            As it stands, I don’t see a Cup with Gomez on board and with DD and Cammy, Gio becomes excess lightweight. Something needs to give. Gomez sucks. Plex isn’t your #1. Gio, DD, Cammy with Gallagher in the wings is again too many good things that come in small packages. I’d keep Gallagher and Cammy. Not because I don’t like Gionta. It’s just a numbers game and the Habs are stuck with a hand full of 5 foot 5’s.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I don’t care about DD being cheaper, if we have to surround him with two big players so HE works out (and we’re not swimming in big scoring wingers) it’s a bad investment. Slower than Gionta, less talented goal scorer and weaker against physical play. Send him somewhere else where he’s better able to fit in, keep Gionta on. Down the line maybe we have to lose one of our big-name small guys but not drop Gionta to keep DD. That move makes no sense, except to maybe the L’Antichambre crew or you’re going for a complete team tear-down so we can get Nail Yakupov or Mikhail Grigorenko.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Chris says:

            I very much mind that Desharnais is a decade younger. If Desharnais performs this season, and that is certainly an if, then I would have no problem moving Gionta to hold onto Desharnais.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            7 years younger and Gionta can still dust him any time he wants to in a straight-line race and can shake off physical opposition better. Shouldn’t DD be the guy who is making him look slow these days? Like I said, if AK and Pacioretty have to play on his wing (Or Cole instead) to make him work, he is not going to be useful.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

  8. Danno says:

    Poll

    Q: Canadiens centre Scott Gomez has zero goals and one assist in four games played. Are you worried this might be a sign of things to come with the forward?

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • shiram says:

      Nah, he’ll likely double that production over the season.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • HabsFan1111 says:

        Phil Kessel is mathimatically on pace to score 136 goals and 217 points this season.

        Please.

        FAR too early for polls.

        PS: Always a good read SF09 thanks!

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I am guessing he will be in the 50 point range. He will never live up
        to his contract but that is life. The question is, is he worth the ice time or is there someone better on our roster that could take those minutes. I think from seeing what we did last game the gomez gio line might be number 3 instead of 2. I like that idea

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I hear you Danno! I was thinking the next poll would be, Erik Cole is reportedly not talking to JM, Are you worried this might be a sign of things to come moving forward?

    • habsnyc says:

      On a relative basis, I am not worried about Scott Gomez. He has far less downside than Gionta or Cole. It is not unreasonable for a typical 33 year old sniper to trail off in goal scoring by 20% or more relative to prior three year average. Gomez is fine on the third line. It is really tough when so many forwards are beyond their peak years for the young guys to offset the drag. Pax is really important to this team.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  9. Hobie Hansen says:

    Props to SeriousFan09 for keeping us up to date on all the Habs’ prospects!

    It was sure helpful to read his articles heading into training camp so we knew who to watch out for!

    Thanks Robert!

  10. Braidan says:

    Being a fan means being a fan through thick and thin, good times and bad times.
    It gets really old to see the same negativity over and over again.
    Try focusing on the positives for a change, you might like it.
    We have a good team and the kids look good in the pipeline.

    • zak says:

      The good thing is we’re only 2 pts out of a play off spot.

    • Bripro says:

      4 games in and you’re talking playoffs. I guess the Laffs should plan their parade.

    • G-Man says:

      The fanatic sees nothing but good things about this team. The anti-fan would rather all his negative bs be posted here so he can say stuff like, “See? Told ya this managament sucks!”
      In other words, they are not fans, they are like Statler and Waldorf, the 2 old hecklers on the Muppet Show. Everything CH is the target. It’s getting old quick.
      Especially all the sh!t about JM, PG and Gomez. There are a lot of posts I skip. Same sh!t, different day posters get a pass from me.

      • Bripro says:

        I loved those guys…old or not, what imagination.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14njUwJUg1I

      • sevenman says:

        Good post G-man….agreed 100%…..last week after the Flames game, I saw a post on here from a fan stating that “in the 60 years he’s been a fan, this is the worst week he’s ever seen”. I read that and thought to myself, “60 years!, 60 years! seriously, where were you in the late 90’s early 2000’s”. Fact is, on paper this is one of the better teams put together in a lot of years. On the ice who knows, we’ll have to wait and see.
        But you’re right, some of the comments from the “same sh!t, different day posters” a total of four games into the season do get a little boring.

    • habsnyc says:

      Based on their record, Montreal is an average team. The pipeline is ranked 20th out of 30 teams by Hockeysfuture.com. Being a fan means looking at the facts objectively as opposed to obscuring them with emotion.
      On what basis is this a good team and on what basis is the pipeline better than average?

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Braidan says:

        Really you’re going to look at their record after 4 games and decide what kind of team they are??
        Being a fan means finding the silver lining and believing. ANYBODY can tear down something.

  11. Say Ash says:

    It’s funny, eh? Cherry started his apology by saying, “Let’s get this straight,” like he’s correcting somebody else’s mistake. Crazy old man.

  12. C_exacte says:

    something..something..something..Andrei Markov???

  13. Timo says:

    Habs can have 20 Crosby’s in their pipeline but still have no future until the former Senators stooges are removed from the helm of this team.

  14. ed lopaz says:

    I don`t share the negative point of view at all these days.

    Cole and Max are freakin flying out there, fore checking, hitting, and DD is a little magician – very talented.

    This is an entertaining team!!

    I watched the game Saturday night and it was great entertainment.

    Sure I hope we win – but I would rather watch this team lose than some boring defensive shell game that we used to get.

    Price will be better.

    Price makes 1 or 2 key saves Saturday, we walk away with 2 points and great excitement.

    Finally.

    A team that can score some goals and uses its speed!!

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Ed! Any prospects in the Q or USHL this year that you’ve got your eye on? I’m trying to be proactive with the 2012 Draft tracking this season.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Chris says:

        Got to see Slater Koekkoek and Matt Finn on Friday night, two of the top ranked defencemen for the draft this year. Koekkoek has really filled out and is looking awesome, and should benefit from playing for what looks like a good to very good team up in Peterborough this season.

        I’ll be watching Finn all season. I’ve been very impressed with him thus far…whoever gets him should be getting a good young defenceman.

        As for other draft-eligible Storm players, I’ve been very impressed with Scott Kosmachuk, who was ranked with Finn as a B-list draft prospect by the CSS in the summer. At 5’11” and 185 pounds, Kosmachuk has great speed and has been an offensive surprise for the Storm, who were expected to struggle mightily this season. He looks like he could be a good second or third round pick for somebody.

        But the revelation of the OHL this season for me has to be Max Domi. 5’9″ and 170 pounds, he inherited his dad’s size. But his mom must have been one talented athlete, because Max is looking like an elite prospect, with 7 goals and 14 points in 10 games as a 16 year old. Domi was drafted 8th overall by the Kingston Frontenacs, but had insisted he would either play in London or take his show to the NCAA, a refrain that has become more and more common in recent years.

        Under the Knights, the Hunters have been very effective at “convincing” guys to walk away from the teams that draft them and/or the NCAA teams that they are committed to. Let’s just say that the rumour-mongering fans in opposing rinks are more than a little dubious about the Hunters’ verbal skills. :)

        And while on the topic of players with NHL name appeal, I found it amazing to see Malcolm Subban listed as an A-list prospect. He hasn’t even earned starter status in Belleville! The kid is an excellent athlete with great reflexes, but he is a mess positionally. Whoever drafts him is looking at a long-term project.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Domi’s a 2013 prospect but I am aware of his status. And I’m aware of the Knights rep, but at the same time it’s no surprise Roy’s Ramparts landed Mikhail Grigorenko or any of the other well-financed teams land the top import draft names, dirty little secrets of the CHL.

          I know the defence in 2012 is the leading part of the talent group but I’m hoping to find some offensive gems. After not drafting a forward Top-60 since Leblanc in ’09 I am hoping the Habs can land one.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Chris says:

            When going to OHL games, the thing I look for is NHL calibre speed to go with offensive production and a non-stop motor. You can produce in the OHL without the speed due to the size and age mismatches in that league, but the speed is something you really can’t teach and the motor is a sign of the kid’s work ethic. If they can’t bust their hump in their draft year, it’s not a good sign for their work ethic once they’ve been given their first pro contract.

            I would have been shocked if Dustin Brown or Ryan Callahan didn’t make it as good NHL players because they never stopped skating and they were good to great skaters in the OHL. In the NHL, Brown is an average skater (although probably good for a power forward type) while Callahan remains an above average skater.

            On the other hand, you see a lot of seemingly elite OHL guys just never make it in the NHL. Here in Guelph, I got to see highly ranked prospects like Manny Malhotra (7th overall, 1998), Daniel Paille (20th overall, 2002) and Peter Holland (15th overall, 2009) and the thing that jumped out about all those guys was the skating. They simply weren’t elite skaters in the OHL. I haven’t given up on Holland, as he does have tremendous hands and vision, but Malhotra and Paille have had disappointing careers for guys drafted so high, even if they are both valuable contributors as role players now.

            I’m anxious to see how Tinordi looks this season. I was not impressed with his skating or impact on the 2 games I watched last year, but I’ve heard that he’s improved considerably in the late-going of last season and is much more dominant this year. Now that I’m living in Guelph again instead of splitting my time between Guelph and Peterborough, I’m hoping to catch some more games in Guelph, Kitchener and London.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I was planning to watch Tinordi, and Andreas Athanasiou by extent on October 19th but with Tinordi still ruled out I’ll have to wait until the Knights visit Mississauga or Brampton on a non-Habs gameday.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • ed lopaz says:

        mike matheson – playing in the USHL for Dubuque will be a high pick for sure.
        came from the West Island program here in Montreal, and played 2 years with the Midget AAA Lions (same team that produce Louis Leblanc)
        U18 Canada defenceman
        effortless, smooth skater, bright young man

        Luca Ciampini will be anywhere from 2nd to 4th round NHL 2012;
        came from the lasalle hockey program here in Montreal and is now playing in Halifax with Nate Mackinnon
        pure scorer a la Luc Robitaille; natural nose for the net; smart and tenacious.

        those 2 are sure NHL draft picks.

        I have seen those boys playing since they were 9 and 10 years old dozens of times.

        Raphael Bussieres on Baie Comeau looks like he is a natural scorer. He might be another Claude Giroux type, but bigger body.

        I saw Martin Frk of Halifax play a few games and he seems like a big, talented kid who could be better in the pros than he is in junior.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Thanks for the tips. Ciampini was rated in Future Considerations Top-60 from their 2011 Draft Guide looking into next year.

          Not sure if Martin Frk is in the cards, he’s slid a bit in the rankings but I think he’s still favoured for Top-12.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

        • Rats says:

          Luca Ciampini = Natural goal scorer but “very” soft. Is playing with Nathan so will put up big points this year.

          • ed lopaz says:

            not sure where you are coming from describing Luca Ciampini as soft??

            maybe after he is drafted he will bring more edge to his game.

            the edge is there. believe me.

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • habsnyc says:

      Montreal was 13th in goals per game last year and is 15th this year. 33 shots per game this year and 32 shots per game last year. I see big improvement is in shots against per game which is down from 31 to 25. The numbers suggest an increased focus on defense and no change to offense.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Dwayne33 says:

      Ed Lopaz! What a great comment. I love this site, but most of the comments are so negative and ridiculous, I was almost about to stop reading them. But every once and awhile, someone like yourself, makes it worth while to keep checking in. Montreal has a great team, that is exciting to watch. As long as there is a great product on the ice to watch, as fans, that is all we should ask for. No team is going to win all the time. The funny thing is, if Montreal would have won the shoot out against the Avs, all would have been right with the negative “sallys” on this site. Everyone should enjoy the team, cheer them on,even when things aren’t going the best!

  15. VancouverHab says:

    More sanctimoneous articles — and yet another from one Bruce Dowbiggin — on Don Cherry? Seriously, the media need to re-read their Uncle Remus, and soon.

    “Oh please, please Mister Todd: please don’t write another preening article about how your transplanted American Leftism is superior to me”. Etc. etc.

  16. TheMock780 says:

    Even though Tinordi is proving that he probably shouldn’t be fighting guys like Lucic once he get’s to the show, not only is he wearing the ‘C’ in London but by all accounts from what I’ve read he’s been playing lights out, physical hockey (still not putting up points, but I don’t think he’s ever going to do that)

    • Tony McLean says:

      He looked weak, his punching was slow, needs to improve his upper body strength, he doesn’t weigh enough for his size. Hopefully he’s going to beef up.

      What does it say on Bob Gainey’s office door?
      “Larry Robinson not welcome.”

    • Mats Naslund says:

      He lost a fight to a guy who fights very well for 6’1 190. McGuire throws some bombs early that hit him. I also feel like he shouldn’t be fighting TOO much – because he’s going to be a valuable defender – but this one fight hardly signals anything other than in that moment he wasn’t the best fighter. He’s fought McGuire before – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz9uqUYExxc and handled himself just fine. He fought 10 times last year and was more than competent. By the time he starts putting his “NHL” weight on – there won’t be too many who are interested in going with him.

  17. ManApart says:

    Anyone notice the Leafs are undefeated? How about the job Regeir has done with the Sabres. I think they are definately a better team than the Habs. The Sabres not the Leafs. Maybe Regeir has done the best job improving his team outside of the Caps. I’m telling you Montreal will be in tough to make the playoffs. Same as usual, dogfight to the end.

    Can we get rid of the recluse twins soon? Before the 8 year plan turns into the 15 year plan?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Spending a lot of money, including 10,000,000$ signing bonuses doesn’t make you a better team than Montreal. Ehrhoff and Leino are not going to make them Contenders and their Top-6 is probably the softest in the whole NHL. Montreal gets slagged with the ‘small forward’ label all the time, but really, Pacioretty, AK, Cole are all superior to any physical skater their Top-6 offers.

      They have two Top-6 forwards over 6′ in Stafford and Vanek and Andrei Kostitsyn throws more hits in a year than Vanek does in 3. Cole had 4x as many hits as Stafford last year, hell Pacioretty had more hits in his 37 games. That is going to cost them when big teams lean on their forwards or other team’s forwards just overpower theirs.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Propwash says:

      The Leafs are just getting all their wins out of the way early.

    • habaddict_andy says:

      Let’s see how bad we are tomorrow. Although it seems our defense still needs work, but it would be nice to win tomorrow against so called BETTER team.

      Go! Hockey! Go

    • Jordio-oh says:

      What a pathetically opportunistic post. Why am I surprised?

      I love you ManApart. Aside from your Vin Diesel inspired name tag, the timing of your posts is what I find the most amusing.

      “I’m telling” you that Ville Leino’s contract is going to look bad by the end of the year. And if he goes the next three games without points, I’m going to be on here saying ” I told you so, I told you so” and if he gets 5 points in his next 3 games, I’ll pretend I’ve never even been on this blog before.

      You and I will finally find a common ground.

  18. petefleet says:

    My hand is not on the panic button. It is located right beside it…poised for action. I’ll give it 10 games before I make up my mind if this team is better or worse than last year. Realistically, that may not be long enough. Look at the changes in the lineup. There are lots of guys who were new last year and more guys new this year. It’s not like we’re stacked with grizzled veterens. And if we were, half the posters would be saying we’re too old. 10-20 games for Emelin, Diaz, Eller, PK and Gorges to find their game. That’s alot of minutes in a game to get sured up. I have a feeling that by Xmas it will be a better looking team out there. Gomer is playing with a new focus, that has got to help. DD is playing well and once he figures out how to stay off the boards, where he loses too many battles, he’ll be fine.
    Max looks fine. Eller’s finish is off but should improve. Emelin and Diaz are new to all of this…they need a little time. PK…..settle down….you’re not Paul Coffey. Gorges is rounding out to his old self already. Price will not be letting in 5 goals all year….he’ll finish with a 2.25gaa and .925 sv%.
    Pluses:Pleks looks great, Gionta seems fine, Moen seems inspired, Cammy will be back soon.

    ******************************************
    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

    ***Habs Forever***

    • Tony McLean says:

      Price is the number one worry. He’s dopey again. Even if he gets his game together his history is to wilt in the playoffs (if we make it). This is his last chance to prove the hype is right. It’s not about Halak, it’s about Carey Price. He is the number one goalie of the Montreal Canadiens. The team lives or dies on his performance. Man up Carey.
      ————————-
      What does it say on Bob Gainey’s office door?
      “Larry Robinson not welcome.”

      • habaddict_andy says:

        Last game Price was wearing new gear. From what I heard it takes few games to get used to new equipment for goalies. During the interview post game I’m sure Price wanted to scream “IT’S FREAKIN’ NEW PADS!”. But I’m sure he did not want show any blame on anything else other than himself.

        ——————————————————————-
        Go! Hockey! Go!

        • i can confirm this. look at my avatar. had a fire, all new gear. just played game 4 of my season and just starting to get used to the pads. Price should be faster considering he can practice with them. but hey, still early in the season AND he has manned up. i’m not worried about the team. Emelin is starting to hit, only matter of time before he lives up to his reputation.

          ———-
          hip-check!

  19. Hicktownboy says:

    you guys are mostly (deleted) and obviously have no lives

  20. HardHabits says:

    The Habs round out the month with games against the Sabres, Penguins, Leafs, Panthers, Flyers and a back to back against the Bruins.

    I figure the Habs get 3-5 points out of a possible 14.

    • slychard says:

      The pens don’t have Malkin & Crosby yet still remain a power-house. So it’s frustrating. The coming schedule is tough, yes, but they’ve been discounted before and have shined so let us see.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Well, you’re a ray of sunshine.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        I doubt they beat the Sabres. I hope they win but I am sure Ruff is going to pull a hissy fit and they score in the last minute of the 3rd to tie it and then in OT. Penguins should be favourites to beat the Habs. They’ll possibly beat the Leafs. Or not. They should beat Florida if they can get to Theo early, unless Budaj is in nets for the Habs and it could be a comedy of defensive errors and beach balls all night. The Flyers will only lose if some big mobster bets on the Habs. The Habs should split with the Bruins. Yeah the Bruins suck hard as the Habs do but this should be the back to back to kick starts one of these two lamerz’ seasons because a split means both teams are cack.

        Here’s my point of view and I could be wrong but I’ll throw it out there anyways. The defense is a mess. The Habs can’t roll 4 lines. The #1 goalie is not on his game. If those trends continue they will lose more than they win. Even with those things fixed the Habs are teetering with .500 hockey.

        I think one of the major ways the Habs could become a contender is to have a true #1 centre. Get rid of Gomez and acquire a #1 should be the Habs major concern. That should happen over the summer. The Habs will have at least a top 10 pick by then too. With all the prospects things look good moving forward. Maybe the Habs can get real smart and trade a player or two by the deadline for a 2nd round pick or two and try and move up.

        Habs need to get creative via the draft. Free agency is not the way to go in today’s NHL unless it is a game breaker to build a team around like a Chara or a Pronger. And even those require the young stable of game breakers for support.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          If the Habs can roll with the Penguins when Crosby and Malkin are healthy, and Malkin has a lingering knee problem (If he plays, he is currently ruled out for Thursday) than they can dance with them when their 1-2 Centres are out of the picture. Buffalo will be tight but like I said above, I like the power in our lineup this season, far stronger along the top lines compared to them and Miller is not a goalie that haunts us. Boston I figure a split but PHI… I don’t know, I think an opportunity is there with their roster makeover to get them early. Florida, well hey, if there’s one thing MTL has learned to do in the last couple years it’s chase Theodore out of nets.

          And we can’t just get a No. 1 centre, what we need is Eller to develop to be the No. 2 behind Plekanec who is our No. 1 by every measure that counts.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Chris says:

            In my opinion (and I know this is arguable), Plekanec is simply not an elite center:

            Crosby and Malkin are better in Pittsburgh.
            Backstrom is better in Washington.
            Toews is better in Chicago.
            Sedin and Kesler are better in Vancouver.
            Thornton is better in San Jose, and Marleau probably is as well.
            Datsyuk and Zetterberg are better in Detroit.
            Getzlaf is better in Anaheim.

            Most of the contenders have better #1 centers than the Habs do. It’s great that Plekanec is such a valuable penalty killer, and I won’t deny he is one of the ten best defensive forwards in the NHL. But he’s not an elite player, and the teams that the Habs are vying with all have one or more that are.

            Part of what kills the Habs is that guys like Plekanec and Gionta wear themselves down trying to hold the other team’s best players defensively. In this, they are perfect second line players (like Kesler in Vancouver). A true first line player should be one that wears down the other team with constant pressure in the offensive zone (like the Sedins’ cycling, the puck control of Datsyuk/Zetterberg or Backstrom or the power game of Thornton, Getzlaf or Toews). For all his many talents, Plekanec has rarely been a dominant offensive player during his stay in Montreal, in my opinion.

            Plekanec does not take the play to the other team when faced against other top centers, he drops back into a defensive posture and tries to limit the damage. The team then relies on secondary scoring that they haven’t received from Gomez or Eller.

  21. HardHabits says:

    I am still waiting for the Habs Infirmary section.

  22. slychard says:

    @Naslund; I made an observation on that particular video, yes, for a big guy he doesn’t swing a punch very well. I also mentioned how I’m pleased to see his +/- improving in a following post. So.

    • Mats Naslund says:

      And I made the observation that anytime ANYTHING happens with a player – people on this site jump to immediate conclusions regarding the future of that player. Which you did.

      • slychard says:

        I made a conclusion on the future of the player…did I? Really? I simply mentioned how he got manhandled in that particular fight.. That is all. I haven’t seen him in any other fights so I can’t go any further then this regarding his prowess as a fighter but really who cares. If he plays hard and physical, as I’ve heard, that’s more then enough for me. Who cares if he can fight or not. But what I don’t like is people putting words in my mouth. I did not make any conclusion on Tinordie’s future as a player… Oh yeah, I digress, I did mention his +/- improving which I find to be a much more important element in the development of a hockey player over fighting, especially for a defenceman in the NHL. Let me simplify it in a situation you might be more comfortable with. I’ve been out with friends where after getting creamed in a fight with some punks at a bar or on the street I’d tease my friends that they punched like a girl, and vice versa, yet we’re still friends…get my drift? Naslund? Just because I describe how bad a particular fight did not bode well for a person does not reflect how I feel about them. Stop trying to read between lines and get over it. I like the kids potential, just mentioned how badly he lost that fight. That is all.

  23. Neutral says:

    you can keep your fighters. I’ll take skill, size and toughness over a fighter any day. jagr wasn’t a fighter, maybe wasn’t tough either. not too many had more skill…

  24. Garcia129 says:

    This is unrelated to Habs prospects, so I apologize.

    Did anyone else get tickets this past Saturday? I actually scored 3 tickets in the Desjardins Section to the Boston game on Nov 21st. Soooo pumped! I can’t believe I managed to score them.

    I live in Halifax and headed up on Saturday the 19th to catch the Rangers game, then the Bruins on Monday. Can anyone recommend a place to eat and drink before the game? I can’t wait to boo the s**t out of that shaved gorilla!!!

    Also, can anyone tell me what the Desjardins section is like? I hear there is food and roomier seats? Is the view good?

    In Price we Trust

  25. The Dude says:

    So,would you say there is an admission to the fact that the current roster badly needs to size up with all the sized young athletes being developed?Hello. So this years a planed mediocre event, thanx…

    • DearyLeary says:

      Size never hurts, nor should it be the primary point of interest in a player.

      Gallagher proved he could hang with NHL/AHL players at the age of 19 during the preseason. For a small guy that’s quite an accomplishment. Give him another couple of years and he’ll be an impact player in the league.

      Tinordi was drafted not only because he was big, but because he could actually skate with his frame. There are lots of big guys who can’t handle their size on the ice, Tinordi’s ability and size are an attractive package.

      Beaulieu is 6’3″, but that is far from what made him a first round pick. He’s a good skater, good puck mover, and has very strong offensive instincts; his defensive play is also improving.

      You can go up and down these ‘big’ players the Canadiens are developing, and aside from Tinordi (who will always project as a stay at home defenceman), they were all drafted for reasons other than size.

      So quit harping already. This team will get better as the season progresses. They got bit by the injury bug, and Markov’s impending return, and Cammalleri (small guy, big impact) will make this team much better than they’ve shown.

      They lost in a shootout, and lost to a fired up Leafs team that always falls flat as the season progresses. Big whoop.

  26. Habfan10912 says:

    Boone reports that Cammy is practicing.

    @jimlaplante

  27. habsnyc says:

    I wish there was a better way to find out which of these players have NHL potential other than by first trading them to our rivals.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  28. slychard says:

    @habinburlington; it means Naslund needs a massage…or an enema. ( is that spelled with 1 or 2 n?)

  29. HabFanSince72 says:

    One think is for sure: Halak is not better than Price. Look at the highlights of the Anaheim game last night. His rebounds are juicier than a very juicy thing.

  30. shiram says:

    Tough game against a revamped Sabres squad tomorrow, should be fun.
    Team seems still plagued by the same issues as last season, inconsistency, bad penalties etc..
    At least last game was more fun to watch!

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  31. slychard says:

    Relax Naslund.

  32. slychard says:

    He’s 6’7″ I thought.

  33. Mats Naslund says:

    I love this site.

    Tinordi loses a fight – “he doesn’t look like a fighter at all”.
    Tinordi wins a fight – “can’t wait to see him take out Chara!”

    Price wins a game – “he’s the best goalie in the league – Don Cherry said so!”
    Price loses a game – “wish we had Rinne! Halak was better!”

    Habs beat Jets scoring 5 goals – “this team is soo much better!”
    Habs lose to Colorado scoring 5 goals – “Fire Gauthier! Good teams don’t LOSE shootout games!”

    If it wasn’t for sweeping generalizations and proclamations based on 4 game sample sizes where would be be right?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I agree lately it has been a bit much

    • Tony McLean says:

      Four years. How many playoff rounds has Price won? No diversions or rhetoric, just answer the question.

      What does it say on Bob Gainey’s office door?
      “Larry Robinson not welcome.”

      • Kooch7800 says:

        There would be a lot of GM’s that would snatch up CP in a heart beat. The kid is a good goalie. Did you watch last season or even the playoffs? Yes, we lost the series but it wasn’t price’s fault. We only scored goals on the PP.

        If we didn’t have Price last year we would not have made the playoffs. So he has a stinker here and there…what goalie doesn’t? I still wouldn’t hang the loss the other night on price. The Defense was terrible. give aways, turnovers…..Price is only one player on the ice. He wasn’t stellar but I hate to tell you as a team the habs were far from stellar. The jets out played us and we won (price was good.) Against the Leafs Price was stellar but we lost cause we couldn’t score.

        IMO Price is the best player on our roster by a long shot

    • bipolarism

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      hip-check!

  34. HabFanSince72 says:

    My home page links to the top three stories of the day on CBC, among other things.

    Every day for the past week one of these stories has been about a tiff between Don Cherry and some ex-goons. (Cherry sparks controversy, Ex-thugs not happy, Thugs threaten to sue, Cherry apologizes, Thugs accept apology, …)

    Now, I’m not sure what the argument is about, don’t actually give a fig, and think all the individuals involved are idiots. But I’m surprised that people care this much.

    • kempie says:

      I don’t think they do. I think it’s just CBC trying to show how “controversial” and relevant the old dork is while at the same time over-publicizing the apology so that every lawyer from Timmins to Texas is aware that it was broadcast, thus rendering their ass, fully covered.

  35. slychard says:

    That being below 6

  36. slychard says:

    They list big T at 6.4 on this site. Please tell me he’s not shrinking to Hab size requisite.

  37. slychard says:

    I will say this about Tnordi, it’s nice to see his +/- rating steadily Improving in the OHL.

  38. slychard says:

    I don’t know, a little better I guess, still flailing punches in my opinion. At least his helmet stayed on this time to save him. Thanks for the link Serious.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      His fight card for his career

      http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/13723

      Not that he’s incapable (or great) but I think anyone who wanted to see him throw them like Larry Robinson is in for a notable disappointment. But if he will throw them when he has to and fills out his frame, those fists are going to be serious bombs in the future. Besides, Pronger made a quite a name for himself as a tough defencemen when he drops his gloves once a year, maybe.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        Tinordi will be a good addition. He will be one of 3 heavyweights the Habs will need to be competitive and by competitive I mean capable of going 4 rounds of play-off hockey.

        That is if the Habs can shed some of their under 5’11” players. If the Habs are intent on having 4 forwards 5’10” and smaller Tinordi will be one of 4-5 heavyweights required to counterbalance the light/paper/fly-weights.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I’m really hoping MTL can make a move to acquire one of the burgeoning PFs in the coming draft like Zemgus Girgensons or Henrik Samuelsson (Son of Ulf Samuelsson) so we can find Pacioretty a complimentary player when Cole’s contract is up.

          Yes I know folks, AHHH EUROPEANS!!! But these guys scouting profiles are exactly what you want if you want Pacioretty to have a fellow power forward as a teammate.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            I am all for Europeans. I have suggested something that even Guy Carbonneau repeated on TV when he had his short stint on CBC, and that is to concentrate as much as possible in one country, like Detroit did successfully with Russia in the 90’s and recently with Sweden.

            However I propose a twist and suggest both the Czech Republic and Slovakia. Even they sometimes wonder what a unified team would look like.

            The Habs current strategy is to focus on the USA as the foreign country it chooses to select a bulk of players from apart from the Canadian/Quebec born players on its roster, which is not such a bad idea either. But in all honesty I’d prefer the Europeans.

            There’s a higher skill level and IMO better players come out of Europe than the USA. American hockey is predicated on a team game. It’s lunch pail hard hat hockey. Boring really. Team USA is kind of like Habs but with more grit, more talent and better coaching.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Americans are producing a very skilled crop of forwards these days HH. Their National Development Team program has done a lot to push them forwards. If anything, Slovakia and the Czech Republic are backsliding a bit as they’ve fallen behind with other nations.

            Scouting profiles on American-born Defencemen Seth Jones and Aaron Ekblad (2013, 2014) eligibles are they could be the best players of their draft years. They are the country that is best competing with Canada these days in talent production.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            Canadians are the best. Needless to say the top Europeans currently out pace the top Americans in terms of skill level and points production in the NHL, by a wide margin.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            HH, there are three top Slovakians in the NHL, Chara, Gaborik and Hossa. Havlat, Elias Plekanec, Krejci are the best out of the Czech Republic. The Americans can’t trump that? I’m sorry but if we’re looking for a talent mine out of those two countries… They’re not exactly putting a lot of top prospects into the NHL either right now.

            I don’t have anything against those countries but the US is doing better at producing NHL-prospect talent.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            I only suggested Slovakia and Czechs and I was saying all Europeans including Russia top the American contingent. Canada still trumps them all but the Habs rarely pick in the get an elite Canadian round and when they do they opt for Mr. Minnesota or some lesser European.

            The Habs last good bulk drafting was under Serge Savard. Up to now I see some good prospects but nothing that screams “Ça sent la coupe!”

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            HH, please don’t talk the draft and Serge Savard. He gave the Canadiens nothing after 1987 save Koivu. Yes Roy was great and so was Richer and Lemieux and Svoboda but a drafting expert he was not.

            Mr. Minnesota busted once, the other Mr. Minnesota is playing as a regular 22-year old D for the NYR and many lament his going in the Gomez deal. Habs tap talent where they can get it and they’ve got a strong pipeline ATM.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            Serge Savard: 3 Cup appearances. 2 Cup wins.

            He was the best GM the Habs have had in the modern era. No way he would have put on the ice a team with the rep the Habs currently have. As a Habs fan I have never experienced such ignominy since the Centennial fiasco followed by the melt down, then the subsequent blow up for a team that allows the Boston Bruins to beat the crap out of them not just in the alleys but also 7-0 in the middle of 3 consecutive shut outs only to go on and eliminate us in 7 games en route to a Stanley Cup parade.

            Yes Gainey inherited a mess. But he just made into another mess.

            I hope you are right and our prospects turn out. In the meantime the Habs are IMO a peripheral team and not a potential top 10. The are not deep. They are a team who is perennially injured. They are small and suffer because of it. They lack top end talent apart from maybe Price, Subban and Pacioretty. They lack a #1 centre since forever.

  39. HabinBurlington says:

    Bruce Arthur of the National Post with an excellent summation of Don Cherry.

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/10/16/cherrys-acquired-taste-close-to-expiration/

  40. slychard says:

    Did anyone watch the Tinordi fight video? Wow he was manhandled. He doesnt look like a fighter at all. For a guy his size and reach all he has to do is swing, but he doesn’t do that at all.

  41. habsfan_61 says:

    just dropping a note. thanks sf09 for all your work on this site. much appreciated. keep it up

  42. HabinBurlington says:

    It is very interesting the dilemma PG has as it relates to our Defence. Based on reading the posts here on HIO it appears most people want to see the Habs a Larger, Grittier but talented D Corp, just as most fans of any team do.

    As Robert has pointed out, our best prospects may indeed be the Core Dmen of Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn, Ellis, and possibly Nash.

    All of these players bring much needed size to the dance. The problem is they are probably 2 or more years away from making significant contributions to the Habs at the NHL level. I wonder if PG was hopeful Markov comes back healthy this year and we survive with our D corps for 1-2 more seasons until the reinforcements make their way up, rather than sacrificing talent in order to find those bodies in the short term. Still would have liked the stop gap fillers been an O’Brien perhaps instead of Campoli, but I can see what is coming up in prospects and it looks promising.

  43. zak says:

    serious, what happened to that kid McFadden

  44. Habfan10912 says:

    Never noticed how the Dogs roster seems to have size. Change is coming?

    @jimlaplante

  45. The_Franchise31 says:

    when your best prospect is brendon Gallagher then it’s not a surprise the leafs are better then us

  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Robert thanks for the update. What year is Pateryn in at Michigan?

  47. Maksimir says:

    Woke up this morning and checked the standings – Leafs unbeaten in 3rd – Habs in 12th.. I thought I was in Bizzaro World.

  48. SeriousFan09 says:

    Conboy is falling out of the picture, Schultz has a while to go, he just got his conditioning sorted out, now he needs to learn to be an effective crash+bang forward in pro hockey. Berger, there’s something there but he’s still a rookie. It’ll take time for any of the three to make an accounting for themselves.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter


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