Habs enjoy six-day Christmas break in schedule; Pacioretty becomes a dad

The Canadiens gave themselves an early Christmas gift with their 4-3 win over the Predators Saturday night in Nashville with David Desharnais scoring the winning goal in overtime after they had blown a 3-0 first-period lead.

The Canadiens returned home after the game and will enjoy a six-day break in the schedule before visiting the Tampa Bay Lightning on Saturday, Dec. 28. The Canadiens won’t even practise again until Friday afternoon after arriving in Florida.

After the game in Tampa, the Canadiens will visit the Florida Panthers on Sunday, Dec. 29, travel to Carolina to play the Hurricanes on New Year’s Eve, then visit the Dallas Stars on Thursday, Jan. 2, before returning home to face the Ottawa Senators on Saturday, Jan. 4.

The Canadiens’ Max Pacioretty got an early Christmas gift as his wife, Katia, gave birth to a baby boy early Monday morning. Lorenzo Pacioretty weighed in a 8 pounds, 14 ounces and measured 21 inches long.

Tweeted The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs: “#Habs Max replies to my text that his 4-hour-old son Lorenzo is already nearly as big as Davey: “Hopefully he has the same hands too”.

Meanwhile, here’s what Larry Brooks of the New York Post reported on the weekend concerning the Canadiens and Pacioretty:

“It seems inexplicable, but Slap Shots has heard continued chatter about the Canadiens’ willingness to trade Max Pacioretty, the 25-year-old winger who apparently isn’t Michel Therrien’s ideal,” Brooks wrote.

“Of course the Rangers are interested, but unless the Blueshirts are willing to re-gift Montreal with Ryan McDonagh (and they’re not dealing McDonagh, one of the most untradeable players in the league), there is little reason to believe the clubs have a match, and no, the Habs don’t seem to be a potential landing spot for Michael Del Zotto.”

Brooks added: “We’re told the Islanders and Flyers are taking serious runs at Pacioretty, who has a club-friendly contract worth $4.5 million per that runs through 2018-19, but Montreal GM Marc Bergevin isn’t prone to dealing him in the East — if he’s willing to deal him at all after the roster freeze melts after Friday night’s games.”

From everyone at HIO, our best wishes for a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

(Photo by Robert F. Bukaty/The Associated Press)

Digging into Santa’s sports sack, by Jack Todd

Christmas comes early for Habs in Nashville, by Pat Hickey

Signs of progress for Canadiens in 2013, by Pat Hickey

Markov the man of year for Habs, by Dave Stubbs

Gorges vs. Gallagher in gift-wrapping challenge (video), Canadiens.com

Team Canada favourites to win world junior tourney, Stu on Sports blog

A remarkable hockey career ends for David-Alexandre Beauregard, Stu on Sports blog

Documentary focuses on hockey school that brings Jews, Arabs together, by Stu Cowan

New line of ‘game-changing’ equipment, Stu on Sports blog


  1. Timo says:

    And they named him Lorenzo.

  2. Shackles says:

    Here’s the one final point to put the Patches trade rumours to rest; his wife just had a baby – do think he wants to come home and tell her that he just got traded? Yikes!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      What about if he went home and said,

      ” Honey? We just got traded to Tampa Bay, so forget about all those winter clothes you were thinking of buying.
      And Guess what?
      My net pay cheque for just next year will be $500,000 MOAR because of direct taxes and the same thing next year and the years after that”


      ” And yes, honey, you can have that ocean front home because the interest on the mortgage and the taxes are tax deductable”

      :-) or :-( ?

      • Eddie says:

        He’s from Connecticut and anywhere in New York would be perfect fit for his family I would imagine.

      • montreal ace says:

        Ronn the contract Max signed might be a cause for discontent for him, as he did fire his agent, and I would have also. The fact he did sign the contract, makes him one hell of a bargain. I don’t know if a trade is in the works, but if I’m MB, a trade only happens because of an exceptional return.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Hi ace.

          We have to remember the time frame.

          Max signed his long term extension in Aug 2012 when he was 23 years old – when there was uncertainty about a season being played, plus what the Cap would be moving forward.

          The contract only came into effect for this year, as he was still working on his old contract for the 2012-13 season that paid him $1.750M.

          Is he underpaid at a Salary of $4m/Cap Hit of $4.5M?
          It appears to be, yet what young man at 23 years old is guaranteed $27M for 6 years no matter what, be that injury or lousy performance?

          Max will be 31 when this present contract is over.
          If he stays healthy and performs, he will still have another HUGE payday.


  3. Timo says:

    Canada finally scores 5 on 3. Woopee!

  4. zephyr says:

    mb is crazy if he wants to trade max. he & galchenyuk, gallagher, eller, bournival & even dd are young, core guys. max sticks up for dd every chance & even took a shot at mt sticking up for pk.
    we’re going to be seeing one or more of tinordi & pateryn b4 the season is over. i think diaz will be traded. maybe even murray although i like him so far. rather see georges go. we’re going to be begging for murray come the playoffs when guys like georges (& even markov) are getting ragdolled. no penalties remember?

  5. Psycho29 says:

    Not an empty seat at the Canada game today…

  6. jsaz says:

    Lol people are comparing trading max Pac as a chellios or Roy trade haha get a grip. I’d trade Max in a heart beat. I don’t think he is happy in montreal and seems like a downer

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I think a proper comparison would be John LeClair.

      • VancouverHab says:

        I think that you are exactly right here.

        People — including our journalistic overseers here — moan weekly (and not weakly) about the Ryan McDonough trade, but he was an unproven NHLer at the time.

        In comparison, trading Patches would be among the all-time disasters: Marmaduke for sure, Chelios also perhaps.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I am confused. Would trading MAX be one of the all-time disasters(in which case HH isnt right or it would NOT be one of the all time disasters… in which case HH is right.

  7. Strummer says:

    So many WJC players for Canada are offspring of NHL-er’s as well as recent draft picks.

    Hockey is really becoming a sport for elites in this country

    “It’s Christmas- not “The Holidays”

  8. Bugs says:

    There once was a fella named Danny
    Who would remind me always of granny.
    She liked the fat dough
    But would move oh-so-slow
    And then warm the bench with her fanny.

    Left turn-missin’ L. B. Potter.

  9. Strummer says:

    Swiss leading Canada 1-0 on TSN

    “It’s Christmas- not “The Holidays”

  10. shiram says:

    On Diaz/Murray
    Can’t we just be glad that we’ve upgraded from Weber/Drewiske/Kaberle??

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m not sure Murray is an upgrade on any of those guys at this point? As much as I love someone who crushes people you have to be able to make a pass or at least get to the puck 1st on occasion.

      On many Murray shifts the puck is in the Habs end for an eternity!

      I hope Murray and Diaz are both replaced by Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn next year.

      Hate to say that about Murray cuz his heart is in the right place!

      • shiram says:

        At least Murray fulfills a need on the team, for physicality.
        Maybe Drewiske could bring it alos, but he was very shakey in the little time I saw him play.
        Kaberle was just soft and bad in all zones, he could make a decent pass, but that’s about it.
        About the same for Weber, though he had a better shot.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          It’s just painful to watch Murray get beat to the puck and on the occasion he does get to the puck he fails to clear the zone. This happens on almost every shift.

          He has an occasional good shift on the PK and even strength but the Canadiens are playing with fire anytime he’s on the ice.

          Again, I love the guy and would be super happy if had a great stretch of games coming up!

          • shiram says:

            I don’t disagree with you, and I think it’s a spot on the roster that can be upgraded in the off season, or with rookies playing better.
            But he’s what we got now…

    • Shackles says:

      I think you’re both right :)
      Murray brings the physical element which is soo needed and I like his presence on the team but man those weak clearing attempts are killing me. One thing I noticed during the game against the Preds; you know you’re in trouble when Rennie Bork can backcheck faster than you.

  11. Hobie Hansen says:

    I was hoping for more from Douglas Murray. I love the guy’s heart and I love when he throws a huge hit or clears the front of the net.

    Unfortunately, He has five bad shifts for every good one.

    Ideally, the Habs make a trade for one more solid defenseman and a robust forward with some scoring punch before the playoffs.

  12. Maritime Ronn says:

    Regarding Pacioretty and the supposed trade rumors…who really knows if there is even 1 iota of truth, yet there are a lot of ‘Unknown Unknowns’ that only few are privy to.

    IF, and that’s a BIG “IF”…. there is anything at all to this, perhaps these are some of the questions that need answers.

    These are not opinions – just some questions.

    1) Is Max and family totally happy living in Montreal and playing for the Habs?
    It can happen, and is not unheard of.
    Remember Dman Chris Pronger?
    He was 31 and in his prime playing in Edmonton. Then for whatever reasons – personal and/or professional, he asked for out and was traded to Anaheim?

    2) Moving forward (and forget about Therrien) how does management/ownership feel about Max being a cornerstone for the future?
    Yes, it was GM Bergevin that signed Max long term, yet GM Holmgren also signed Jeff Carter and Mike Richards long term and moved them out right after.
    Rick Nash was in year 2 off an 8 year contract when Columbus traded him to New York.

    2) Is Max a beloved team mate?
    3) Are there any troubling factions in the dressing room that need to be solved?
    Philly lived that somewhat with Mike Richards-Jeff Carter vs. Claude Giroux-Danny Briere-Pronger. Richards and Carter were shipped out.

    4) How is Max getting along with PK in particular?
    They do have some history both at practice and on the ice.
    Is it all forgotten and just ‘brotherly love’, or is there anything lingering?


    Several people, the media included, have remarked that even with the very good record to date, there seems to be something wrong – a certain stress/level of frustration that can easily be seen in the body language and faces of guys like Subban-Eller-Prust-Gallagher-Galchenyuk-Bournival, and others…including Max with his sword celebration (while PK-Price were called out and told to stop)

    5) Is the Davey and Max show OVERALL helping or hurting the Habs in terms of holding back others, and ‘best case’ team harmony? (think Drew Bledsoe-Tom Brady)

    6) If Max and Davey were floated out there, could the return and team mix be better/greater than it is now, or is status quo ideal?

    • shiram says:

      Max just had a kid, maybe he was more stressed out?

    • Strummer says:

      You’re comparing the Pronger situation in Edmonton vs. Montreal as desirable destinations for players and their families?
      I don’t think its even close. Montreal preferable by a country mile.

      “It’s Christmas- not “The Holidays”

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        I don’t believe the question is whether or not Edmonton is superior to Montreal although a tax accountant would have a field day with that.
        The question is does a specific player and or his family want to live and play in a specific city? (Lecavalier)

    • habstrinifan says:

      i say trade both those F’ing malcontents! Sorry Santa for swearing so close to Xmas.

  13. DipsyDoodler says:

    OK so the latest thing that has thrown H I/O into a tizzy is:

    “Max Pacioretty, the 25-year-old winger who apparently isn’t Michel Therrien’s ideal.”

    An unsubstantiated “apparently Isn’t his ideal” equates to “he hates him” equates to “fire MT now”.

    Let’s look at the facts.

    Among forwards, Max is 2nd in TOI/game behind Plex, and first in powerplay TOI/game.

    Max is paired with DD his favourite centre. When that line needs a boost MT puts his best enabler Brendan Gallagher with them.

    See, if the coach really hated Max Pacioretty, he might not be doing those things. Unless he’s giving him TOI in the hope he gets injured?

    Remember: “Apparently” in sports journalese means “stuff I made up”.

    • Timo says:

      Maybe Therrien simply wants to make him a better person?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      May I add again that Brooks is connected to the NY teams. Not so much the rest of the league.

    • mrhabby says:

      who makes all this crap up is beyond me and habs fans lap it up..lol

      sure trade max who has great value for salary..hope the trade is good or something better.

      MT does not get along with him so he must be traded….lmao.

    • JUST ME says:

      « Max Pacioretty, the 25-year-old winger who apparently isn’t Michel Therrien’s ideal.”« Who said so ?

      Max is rumored to be on the trading block. Who said so ?

      There is no sense in trading a power forward like Max. As soon as he`ll be gone you`ll be looking for a guy exactly like him except that IF you find one IF , you will pay the price for it. You can trade any type of guy and upgrade if you pay for it but a power forward producing like Max ? No way. I do not see why the Habs would want to get rid of him. Of course everybody in the league is talking about him, they all want a player like him as here we are talking about Kane ,Tavares,Stamkos,Getzlaf,Sid and others that we would take on our team too.

  14. Eddie says:

    Diaz is a fine defender. His partner is making it very difficult for him. Murray skates across the ice to make those hits and I could order and receive a delivered pizza before Murray gets back into position.

  15. Timo says:

    So Sieve got injured last night. Hopefully this solidifies Price’s position as #1 goalie at the Olympics.

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  17. jrshabs1 says:

    Poor Doug Murray. The Hab fan’s new whipping boy, to bad some of this hate doesn’t go to Diaz. What is Diaz’s role? At least Murray is respected by opposing players, shennanigans after the whistle are kept to a minimum when the big guy is on the ice. 2 games against the leafs this year and I haven’t seen N. Kadri take 1 run at any of the Habs D. As a matter of fact, beside the 2 beat downs from west conference teams nobody is taking liberties with the Habs thus far. Take a away Murray, and Parros to some degree and I don’t believe that would be the case. The Sens beat the snot out of the Habs last year…because they could.

    MOAR BIGGAR!!!!!

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      How do shennanigans after the whistle affect the outcome of the game? Besides, Murray plays very few minutes. Does he reduce “shennanigans after the whistle” from the bench as well?

    • shiram says:

      Neither Murray or Diaz are great players, but they both fulfill a role on the team, while having gaps in their skillset.

      • Eddie says:

        I believe Murray is the worst defender I have seen this year in the NHL.

        There are dozens of 230 lbs monsters in the AHL who could play the position equally poorly, and still hit hard.

        I like the guy. He is liked by his teammates. He seems very cool.

        But he’s a terrible 5 on 5 defenceman.

        • shiram says:

          And Diaz is a offensive Dman that can’t seem to accurately shoot a puck… I’m not gonna pick and choose, both could be “upgraded” to help out the team.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Did Bergevin feel so strongly that Tinordi needed more time to develop and thought Murray was a temporary plug in?
          Me? Tinordi showed enough last season to play the #6 role this season.

          • Timo says:

            Tinordi may not be worse in playing department, but Murray still has MOAR. After dropping his mitts a couple of times during pre-season Tinordi was very timid and ineffective in the physical department in his stint with the Habs. Murray is equally ineffective, but at least his nails anything that moves near him.

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            He only nails things that are moving either very slowly or in a straight line.

          • Timo says:

            He still at the very least nails those things, which is more than what Diaz does.

    • Shackles says:

      Every week HIO should post the name of the “weekly whipping boy” and for that week, all posters can take pot shots at that particular Hab.

    • Timo says:

      I agree. I watched shitheads like Harnell and Simonds calmly skate away several times when Murray is standing next to Price. Kadri wasn’t nearly as “brave” after Murray put him on his ass. There are other examples. Murray has his use and it’s better to have a shitty D man (since Habs apparently must have some) that hits than a shitty D man that doesn’t (Diaz).

    • frontenac1 says:

      Diaz and Murray will improve each other. Give it time. Two of the goals last game were not entirely on them. One goal Murray was dealing with a guy on the boards, Diaz was behind the net and Brier comes in to help? Leaves his man wide open at the circle. Goal.The next goal same thing and Moen leaves his coverage in the slot. Goal.

  18. The Jackal says:

    Can’t edit as I am on my mobile.
    No disrespect to those who are skeptical of MT, but stuff such as he disliking players/being bad at managing his players is BS. The guy has proven thus far to be the opposite so I don’t get where these claims come from. Perhaps some players will get tired of him one day, maybe even say its them or him. But at the moment, NOTHING has happened or been said to suggest any kind of problem between MT and the players.

    • Eddie says:

      No disrespect? Don’t worry about disrespecting. It’s the Internet.

      You have every right to post whatever you please.

      When Therrien is fired, and that day will come, I just hope Pacioretty is still on the team.

      I saw this happen with Chelios and Roy.

      We, the fans, are never privy to the facts. Ever. Years after the fact, we still don’t know what happened. It’s always speculation. It never evolves into a fact based analysis, which of course, is preferable.

      So just be careful how far you go supporting Therrien, would be my advice to Bergevin.

  19. The Jackal says:

    Yawn… More MT dislikes a player crap? Rumours are rumours. Just like the PK rumour, it is not true, its a tonne of crap.

    A post below said something along of the lines of MB calls MB to investigate the rumour. Is MB a journalist or a GM? GMs are dialed into the general atmosphere of the team and MB communicates closely with MT. MT may not be here for 5-10 years but MB coordinates with his coach to build the team. Both are aware of the value of Max. If something was truly amiss then MB would be aware, this meme of MT being a sneaky, passive aggressive guy is done.

    Until something of substance actually happens, lets not say stuff like MT dislikes player X or player Y dislikes MT.

  20. Habsbill24 says:

    Sure trade the only proven goal scorer on the team that has size, speed and a cap friendly contract. Could be another great trade like the Chelios trade. Move a player that we will regret off 15 years. Insanity!

  21. Timo says:

    Someone mentioned swedish babes below… so I thought what do swedish babes look like. Turns out they look like this


  22. tab says:

    Great post habinburlington, agree best way to learn is by mistakes, repeating those mistakes is when there is a problem. I think what MB is looking for is a franchise forward, patch is great by we really need a taveras to win the cup. That’s type if guy to build a team if forwards around. Patch is from Long Island so perfect fit. He is setting up to win cup in 3 to 4 years so we want the best crop of 23-25 year olds possible

  23. Say Ash says:

    Will anybody gain more weight than Murray this week?

  24. Eddie says:

    So you’re Marc Bergevin. You investigate these NBC rumours about Max not being a Therrien favourite. You call Therrien and he confirms the story is actually true, not just a rumour. What do you do in Bergevin’s position?

    I can’t stand Therrien since the last time he coached our team, so my position is biased in favour of Max. I never, never would have hired a hot head like Therrien from the outset.

    But what about you Therrien supporters?

    If the 2nd year coach, who has been successful thus far, is in a conflict with your best scorer, how do you react if you’re the GM?

    Trade your best scorer, who also has a wicked good contract for the next 5.5 years?

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Give the Therrien-is-a hot-head thing a rest. The first incarnation of coach of MT most definitely lost his cool too much but MT 2.0 has been the picture of calm. Besides, MT is not the problem with the current edition of the HABS, it’s lack of talent. This team is missing too many pieces to contend for anything meaningful, whether it’s a Cup, Conference/Division title, or even a playoff spot. The pressure is on Beregevin and the scouts more than it is on MT at this point. Coaches on a rebuilding team have one focus: player development. On that, I think MT and his assistants get a passing grade, if only just.

      • Eddie says:

        This is not a rebuilding team, so you start from a flawed premise.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          If it’s not rebuilding, it’s in the mid to late stages of a build, at the very least. We have a good young core, but there is still building to be done.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

          Whatever. Fact remains, MT is not the cause of the team’s woes. if you think he is then Babcock must be a crappy coach too judging by his team’s performance this year. The NHL isn’t the NFL where coaching really does matter. Don’t buy that? Then you must think Scotty Bowman is a fool cuz he said it first!

    • shiram says:

      I only see 2 ways trading Max makes sense.
      One is if he indeed asked for a trade.
      The other is if we get an overpayment.
      I think both are not so likely.

      Now what I’d do if I were in Bergevin’s show, I’d probably meet with the assistant coach to get a better idea of what’s going on, and then would meet Therrien and discuss the matter with him accordingly. I’d impose on him the importance of Max as a player on the team, and that his small cap hit compared to his production is an excellent one in this cap world.
      I’d tell him to find a way to win with Max.

      As a fan, I think/hope Max will be here long after Therrien is gone.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good Morning Ed, I still can’t help but think MT was brought in by MB as a “Safe” hire for his initial couple years with the club. I say this from the perspective of the Sh%t Storm that was, during the end of PG’s tenure with the whole Anglais/Franco coaching scenario.

      We need to remember that this is MB’s first stint as a GM and he is also getting re-acclimated with his home city after being away for a long time. It may not be what many want given our teams stature in the league, but there is a learning curve going on with our present managment. In some ways I am happy that a couple of MB’s moves haven’t worked out as well as perhaps they were envisioned, as the best way to learn is from mistakes.

      I refuse to get caught up by the present Max rumours and am looking forward to how this season plays out as trade deadline approaches and how MB deals with contracts towards the end of the season and throughout the offseason.

      I believe he is now getting a true feel for not only the hockey club, but also how to deal with the outside pressures which are unique to the Montreal Canadiens.

      I suppose to answer your question in short, I would rather keep Max and lose MT.

    • ont fan says:

      I’m MB and he is my pick for a reason. If players are not happy with that I discuss it with them. I’m no MT fan but watching 24/7 and watching how the Red Wings discuss player personnel as a coaching group I believe that’s how most teams do it. So unless you hate all the coaches on staff I would give it a rest on MT being a dictator.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      This is the kind of thing that might be a problem in Bantam hockey or younger. Not at the NHL level.

      Coaches not liking certain payers and players not liking their coach happens all the time. It rarely – OK almost never – leads to a trade.

      I’m sure a lot of bosses dislike a lot of employees and vice versa. People still get on with their job. It’s part of being an adult.

      And in any case if Therrien dislikes Pacioretty what has he done out of spite? Nothing.

    • Gerry H says:

      “So you’re Marc Bergevin. You investigate these NBC rumours about Max not being a Therrien favourite. You call Therrien and he confirms the story is actually true, not just a rumour. What do you do in Bergevin’s position?”

      I look for a new job. If I learn about my coach’s player preferences from the New York media, I’m clearly not doing my current one.

      “If the 2nd year coach, who has been successful thus far, is in a conflict with your best scorer, how do you react if you’re the GM?”

      Highly speculative scenario. If my second year coach has been successful so far, I listen to what he has to say and, having been intimately involved with both players and coach, offer some of my own suggestions on how to resolve the conflict. The coach and I have had many discussions on how the team is being built and coached (both in terms of season results and player development), so I figure we’ll probably be on the same page. If not, I start looking at my coaching options.

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      After this season regarless of the outcome MT needs to go. The question is who replaces him. IMO Guy Boucher shoud have been brought in as an assistant to Jacques Martin and groomed for the job. He’s had some on the job training and I think he’d be a good fit on the Habs when/if MT gets the boot.

  25. TINMAN17 says:

    Seriously, when are we getting rid of Murray? MT loves Frankie B, so he’s not going anywhere. But, can’t they scuttle Murray and recall Tinordi? What would be the downside? Some mistakes while learning? I bet any mistake Tinordi makes would still be an upgrade over Murray.

    Born and Bred in Enemy Territory (Boston).

  26. Ian Cobb says:

    Future: Rick Moffat

    Twas the nite before Sochi
    and the debate had grown old.
    Why wasn’t PK allowed
    to go for gold?

    Santa Y had delivered invites with care
    but Subban’s Olympic stocking was bare.

    “Markie and Yemmie” had home ice advantage.
    But Canada clearly was out to do damage.

    Max P and A-Gally were there with the Yanks,
    but Hockey Canada grinches were up for no pranks.

    No triple-low-5ing, no defensive zone gaffes,
    it seemed like team Team Canada didnt want any laughs.

    PK was 7th or 8th, maybe not even deserving,
    but Habs fans knew this was more than self-serving.

    If Carey could make Canada ask
    “Bobby Lu who?” behind the mask,
    then Subban the blueline
    could make Ovi whine.

    So on Christmas Day, pity not PK Subban.
    Just wish him the gift—to be part of the Yzerman plan.

  27. theox_8 says:

    With all of these mad Max rumors , and I do hope they are rumors . It got me thinking of possible fair returns for our big skilled sniper .

    So with Edmonton off to a terrible start , no surprises there . I wonder if possible Taylor hall could be made available ? A big goal scorer like him would be fine with me ; however he has had the injury bug also . I am in no way saying that one is better than the other and all that stuff , just thinking of fair trade value with possible picks or prospects . Anyways happy holidays all!

  28. HabinBurlington says:

    I can’t imagine it took Jack Todd more than 3 minutes to dig through his sack to write his latest piece….

  29. Exit716 says:

    If Pacioretty isn’t Therrien’s kind of player, Bergevin has to be patient. After all, Therrien will be gone after the standard 200 games or so. So another season and a bit and the problem will be solved.

  30. GL says:

    If MT is not sold on Max Get rid of MT. Why would a team get rid of their best Goal scorer and as far as Evander Kane goes I would rather have Bryan Little has speed good play maker and can put the puck in the net.
    This team is not winning because of MT” Max is more valuable It’s a team thing and they would do just fine without him.

  31. Gerry H says:

    The Gimmick and the new playoff format work together in a way you can only call perverse. There are 30 teams in the NHL. Only four of them have fewer regulation or OT wins (ROW) than Washington, yet the Caps are comfortably holding down the fifth seed in the East. More than 40% of their wins have come in the shootout (8).

    Loser point, shmoozer point. A regulation tie has always been worth a point. But without bonus points from the Gimmick, Washington would already be sellers.

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    For those of us who miss Jay Onrait on TSN here is a nice compilation related to his favourite Police Sargeant BOBROVSKY!


  33. The Juice says:

    “the Canadiens’ willingness to trade Max Pacioretty, the 25-year-old winger who apparently isn’t Michel Therrien’s ideal,”

    If it comes down to Max or Michel…Max should win out no contest!


    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

    • Gerry H says:


    • DipsyDoodler says:

      List of players who have more goals per game than Max so far:

      * Tyler Seguin
      * Ryan Getzlaf
      * Sidney Crosby
      * Chris Kunitz
      * Corey Perry
      * Alex Steen
      * Alex Ovechkin
      * Steven Stamkos

      Only the two Alexes and Stamkos have significantly more gpg than Max ( the others are virtually tied).

      So Max is essentially 4th in goals per game.

  34. commandant says:

    Players to watch on Norway, Switzerland and Finland for the World Juniors. Includes one Habs prospect.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  35. HabinBurlington says:

    Some weird and wacky hockey related stories, some of them are Habs related including the number one moment.


  36. Marcusman says:

    So wouldn’t Winnipeg take Bourque and Pateryn for Evander Kane? maybe add a 2nd round pick…??

    We need to add goals without dealing Max.

  37. 24 Cups says:

    The injury to Luongo last night might hurt his chances for the Olympics. That basically puts Price at the head of the class seeing net is Canada’s weakest position in terms of depth.

  38. HabinBurlington says:

    Well regardless of our various views about what time off the players deserve, they are humans and this is a very special time of year. While perhaps the break may have them sluggish for the first game back, many have young families and other young players probably haven’t seen their folks in a while. I hope this rest is as good for their soul as the break is for all of us.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all here at HI/O!

    Now if only my boss would let me have this whole week off…. DOH!

    • frontenac1 says:

      Agree Burly! Great time of year, everyone deserves time with their families. All the best to you and all of H/IO for the Festive Season. Feliz Navidad!

    • 24 Cups says:

      It’s a long year with a condensed schedule. Plus some of these guys will have to make the trip to Russia. One more practice isn’t going to change much. Sometimes a mental break can be more advantageous than any practising or skating.

      The team can leave early on Friday morning and hold a full practice.

      Gerald – I see there is lots of MaxPac trade talk. Usually it’s all worthless rumours but I wonder what Pacioretty’s real value is right now. He has been inconsistent in the past and really doesn’t fit the profile of a true power forward but he’s just 25 and is the team’s one true gunslinger. This guy could display a lot of maturity in the next few years which could make him an elite player. Could be a real gamble if they do trade him. He’s also the only decent LW the team has if Galchenyuk moves back to centre next season.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Completely agree with you on Max, I would be very concerned if he were traded. The upside is still great on him, and as you mentioned, who else do we really have to play any type of sniper role? Nobody at present.

  39. GrosBill says:

    Habs in 4th at Christmas. Regardless of the ups and downs, I don’t think there are many of us who can say the have underperformed so far. I had this team slotted to finish 5th-8th. So they have slightly exceeded my expectations (yes, even though the Blues and Kings spanked them).

    As for trading Max, the contract he has is excellent. That in itself would make me hesitant in dealing him. Performance for dollar, it is a great deal indeed. If he is dealt, MB had better of fleeced someone bad in the deal. I do not see it happening.

    Glad to see Toronto falling in the standings. I still think they let two of their best forwards walk (well on bought out) in Grabo (though I do despise him) and Mac.

    Fearless prediction: Subban will be in Sochi, and will be a beast. Cannot wait to see him back on the large ice. No comment needed for Price, it is a no brainer right now and is his to lose at this point IMO.

    Most important: Happy Holidays to all you HIO posters out there. I always enjoy my daily read of all the good and the bad and the crazy comments. All the best to you and your families.

  40. DipsyDoodler says:

    Re: no practice. According to RDS the players have to be off from the end of the last regularly schduled game until the day before the next scheduled game.

    In other words the Habs are off until next Friday as per the CBA.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      If that is what RDS said, they are incorrect.
      There are 2 different items in the CBA

      1) 4 madatory days off per month.
      2) Official Christmas break

      ” Clubs shall endeavor to schedule no less than four (4) “days off” for Players per month (two at home and two on the road) during each full calendar month of the NHL Regular Season Schedule. Players shall be notified prior to the start of each month the days that have been designated as “days off,”
      and the Club’s schedule/calendar should not be altered absent compelling circumstances.”

      ” The day after Christmas (as well as Christmas Eve and Christmas Day) shall be an off-day for all purposes, including travel, and no Club may practice on December 26 for any reason..”

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Yes, but neither of these rules contradicts what the RDS crew said.

        If you have a scheduled game on the 23rd you have to play of course but if you happen to not have a game scheduled on 22 or 23 you have to have those days off too.

        In any case the players all have families in different places so it’s completely reasonable to give them the whole week off so they can go home.

        I forget if it was Henry Ford or Mao Tse Tung who said that a happy worker is a productive worker. Maybe both.

  41. on2ndthought says:

    Ho Ho Ho
    Best Yuletide Greetings to all fanatics. Some gifts:
    A WJC MVP to Zach Fucale (it looks like that’s the only way we get the gold)
    A selection from 24/7 Pit-Leafs game; very high production: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hddxqb65YiM
    To Timo and his ilk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZzwlx1yNwk
    (glad i watched it on RDS)
    To MB: a trade that doesn’t include: Price, PK, DD, MaxPac, Emelin, EGG, Prust or Pleks
    “a cannonading drive”

  42. Psycho29 says:

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 8m

    Habs Max replies to my text that his 4-hour-old son Lorenzo is already nearly as big as Davey: “Hopefully he has the same hands too”

  43. Psycho29 says:

    Dave Stubbs‏ @Dave_Stubbs 20m
    Lorenzo Pacioretty arrived at 4:30 am this morning, weighing 8 pounds, 14 ounces, 21 inches head to toe. Max tells me all are healthy

  44. canuckbot says:

    It’s more like “The Habs were feeling festive and wanted to help the less fortunate by giving away points after a blown 3-0 lead”

  45. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Habfan10912

    Morning Jim

    According to the new CBA, the mandatory Christmas days off are the 24-25-26.
    In the past, it was 2 days.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thanks Ronn and Good day to you sir. So it was the teams decision not to practice yesterday and/or today. I hope the rest pays off more then a practice or two. CHeers.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        ” The day after Christmas (as well as Christmas Eve and Christmas Day) shall be an off-day for all purposes, including travel, and no Club may practice on December 26 for any reason. However, in seasons during which December 26 falls on a Saturday, December 23 will be substituted for December 26 as the additional “day-off” for the Christmas Break.”

  46. Habfan10912 says:

    I’d be remiss if I didn’t say I was worried about many of our HIO friends this morning. I know Northern NY and Ontario were hammered by an ice storm and thousands are without power.

    I think our good friends Ian, Spats and Front live near the epicenter of the storm and I hope they along with everyone else stays warm and safe. Please give us a shout out when you get a chance so I can stop worrying.

    • frontenac1 says:

      @jim. Front and Family are fine amigo. Lots of snow and ice but not as bad as the big storm of “98. I think Ian down in Belleville might have got hit worse.
      Cheers Amigo!

  47. Habfan10912 says:

    OK, I’m not a scrooge but am I the only one who thinks no practice until Friday is a bit too much?

    With the way the team has played the past two weeks you would think that a practice or two might be just what the Doctor ordered.

    Would it have been a travesty to have a practice today? Maybe even one Tuesday morning.

    I wonder if that was a decision made by the Coach, the GM or both? Seems a bit much to me for a team that looked at time in need of some practice.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah seems a bit excessive, perhaps MT has nothing new to introduce by way of systems? I am very hopeful this break is exactly what Prust needs though. To me no player on the team (maybe Gallagher as well) needs the rest more based on the style of play he needs to play to be successful and I just don’t think his shoulder presently allows for that.

      Good Morning Jim, trust you are well this morning my friend.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        All good here. I hope the lights remain on at the Burly Homestead. We reached near 70 (21c) here yesterday.

        You’re right about Prust. I don’t see the same player we saw last year. I hope its a minor injury (That sounded awful) and not him being upset at not getting top 6 minutes. Hopefully some R and R will heal whatever ails him.

    • Psycho29 says:

      The longer break this year is due to the new agreement between the NHL and NHLPA.
      I saw something about that on RDS (I think) the other night.

    • JF says:

      Agreed. I would have had them practice Thursday, just to shake off the holiday sluggishness. My prediction is they’ll lose to Tampa.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I think both the mental and physical break is extremely important, especially in a year like this.

    • montreal ace says:

      HF thats funny about the break they are getting, as just before coming online I was thinking they were being spoiled. I am hoping that by giving the team gets back some loyalty and enthusiasm. Molson must be a good boss to work for,lol, as I only hear good things from the players about him.

  48. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all. Larry Brooks talks about player safety and wonders why the Habs are thinking of moving Patches.


    • Phil C says:

      “It seems inexplicable, but Slap Shots has heard continued chatter about the Canadiens’ willingness to trade Max Pacioretty, the 25-year-old winger who apparently isn’t Michel Therrien’s ideal.”

      Not his ideal? I can’t even put a rational thought together after reading that.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Phil, I spent the better part of yesterday scratching my head. This article certainly didn’t help. Brooks is normally connected to the NY teams though. Not sure he’s know about MT’s relationship with his coach.

  49. Bash says:

    Have a wonderful holiday season everyone!
    Best wishes from the Rock!

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  50. DipsyDoodler says:

    Toronto municipal politician sends out a press release entitled:

    “I TOLD YOU SO, I TOLD YOU SO, I TOLD YOU SO, I TOLD YOU SO…. I guess I’m not crazy after all”,

    and he isn’t Rob Ford.


  51. DipsyDoodler says:

    I’d like the Plekanecs over for dinner – they seem like an interesting couple.

    Actually come to think of it – was it Galchenyuk’s mom who is really hot? In that case, Galchenyuk and his mom.

  52. formerly known as the hc says:

    After seeing how many people voted for Desharnais… Made me think “man that little fellar takes a beating on here lately. hehehe

  53. habstrinifan says:

    Connor Crisp:
    33 games/16 goals/10 assists/71PIM.

    Merry Xmas to Habs fans (especially Timo)Delivery temporarily delayed… but coming.

  54. A. Berke says:

    Wish everyone here at HIO a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.


    Ali B.

  55. Habilis says:

    Watched episode two of 24/7 tonight. I want Mike Babcock to coach the Habs. Language shmanguage. The man just looks and sounds like he lives and breathes hockey. Watching him prep for a game as opposed to watching Therrien stuff his face with wings is… disheartening. What is heartening though is knowning that this man will be guiding Canada’s best in Sochi.

    The second episode, btw, was incredible. Much better than the first. It includes plenty of Crosby and a Carlyle blowup that can only be heard, not seen. It’s sublime. Must watch stuff. For those who haven’t seen it, here is a link: http://youtu.be/wIbYPPFvhqY

    Fair warning, that is the unedited version with all the swearing.

  56. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    I would have dinner with Josh Gorges for the cliched remarks, “These peas are delicious Mrs. Lightbeer” or ” If we can just get through this dinner we will be having desert” or my favorite “Pass the potatoes”.

  57. Timo says:

    If you invited Carey Price to your xmas dinner… would you ask him to bring some groceries?

  58. Timo says:

    Just watched Canada-Sweden game. Ugleee. It was like watching Habs play St Louis. Is this the best Canada could send? Swedes swatted them like flies. Is team Canada following the Habs “small and skilled” model?

    • CH Marshall says:

      I hate to say this man, but some if those Swedish babes belong to us!

      We have every right to bight now, but when Collierg and Dela Rosa join the team, I hope we have another great centre to play with Chucky, and I hope we have two power forwards. When thst happens, we are going to mop the rest of those mofos up including Boston. Yeah PJ Stock you heard right.

    • JF says:

      That was precisely my thought as I was watching it. Team Canada looked exactly like the Habs on a bad day. They were’t skating, couldn’t move the puck effectively, and didn’t create any pressure in the offensive zone. They were a bit better against the Finns, but still not impressive.

  59. scavanau says:

    Its that time people, the transformers are popping in my neck of the woods.

  60. commandant says:

    With the cut of Felix Girard… Charles Hudon Officially makes Team Canada for the World Juniors. Here are the 6 Habs prospects in the tourney.

    Canada: Charles Hudon, Zach Fucale,
    Slovakia: Martin Reway,
    Sweden: Jacob de la Rose, Sebastian Collberg
    Finland: Artturi Lehkonen

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • ProHabs says:

      Collberg better impress. I am starting to have doubts on this guy. Some talented players there but really when you look at Hudon, Reway, Lehkonen and even Collberg, it is pretty much the same old. Small.

      • third generation haber says:

        I think softness is the main issue. I can’t understand why we needed to draft Lehkonen, Reway, and Andrighetto in the last draft when we have such a soft group of players to begin with. Acquiring Thomas by trade further frustrates me.

        Conversely, I’m happy we drafted McCarron (even if too high), De Larose, Crisp, and Gregoire (and signed Nevins). Not sure if any of these guys will make it to the NHL, but if we don’t draft tough players, it will be difficult to ever put an end to the 13 year smurf movement in Montreal.

        I believe Gallagher is the only undersized player this team actually needs.

        j.p. murray

        • Timo says:

          You didn’t get the “small and skilled” memo?

        • Stevie.Ray says:

          You can’t draft based on current needs because who knows what the needs of the team will be in a couple years. That’s why teams should always take the best player available. If two players are relatively close in most areas, then you can look at the size discrepancy between players.

          Fact of the matter is Andrioghetto, Reway, and Lekhonen, albeit undersized, will probably be, and perhaps already are, much more valuable assets than McCarron, Crisp or Nevins in the long run. Actually, in my opinion, I don’t see any of those six players making the NHL, but I am certain Andrioghetto, Reway, and Lekhonen will be decent AHLers and I can’t say that about the other three. I maintain that, like I said on draft day, that the only player drafted last spring that will have a significant NHL career will be Fucale. De La Rose may see some bottom 6 action down the road. And, having 1 solid NHL player come out of a draft is about the average.

          • Bob_Sacamano says:

            Completely agree. We´d gain absolutely nothing by drafting bigger but less talented players.

            On the other hand to acquire another small forward (Thomas) was really questionable and the Briere signing just stupid.

          • kairos66 says:

            You contradict yourself. Either none of these players mentioned above make the NHL or two of them make it.


  61. ProHabs says:

    Any of you see the last edition of 24CH when the assistant coach for the Habs (I think his name is Julien but I am not really sure) was talking to PK in the video room telling him to pass the puck up. THat coach seems like he is just bonkers. Can’t help but just laugh at the guy.

    • HabFab says:

      Gerald Gallant and it did sound weird. I wondered if scripted?

      • ProHabs says:

        It definitely wasn’t Gerald Gallant. I think the guys name is Jodoin now that I think about it. But it was funny. I don’t know how Subban didn’t laugh his head off at the guy.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Clement Jodoin…and it is nice to see someone encourage the Norris Trophy winner instead of trashing him…

          • The Jackal says:

            Yeah cus the coaching staff trashes him?
            C’mon man, this is old garbage, time to incinerate it and be done with it forever.

            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • Phil C says:

      I liked his encouragement of PK. I also really agree with him. I know fans love it when PK rushes up the ice and it must be tempting for him to keep going once he beats the first wave of the forecheck and the crowd starts buzzing, but rushing it like that is a low percentage play in the NHL. If he gets into the habit of moving the puck as he comes out of his zone, then jump up to provide back support to the play, the points will start racking up. Jodoin knows it and is encouraging him to do it because PK is also an awesome passer when he wants to be. He could be 80 point guy if he moved the puck more consistently. He still has some upside left yet he has already won the Norris, incredible.

      • The Jackal says:

        Amen… Don’t know why criticisms of PK are taken as such offensive things to say. Yeah, he’s great at the moment, but he could be better – what’s the problem with that?

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  62. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    On the twelfth day of Xmas I was the 12th comment…

    Happy holidays/Joyeuses fêtes everyone (even the guys I argue with …lol).

  63. WAR72 says:

    Voted to have dinner with parros. Cerebral guy plus won a cup, lots to chat about…gionta also won a cup, but, i have no phone books for him to sit on.

    I agree with poster below, 24/7 is better than 24ch. 24ch is getting generic. Like reading an article on habs website, boring.

    Reading many posts on trading pacioretty. He certainly has trade value. Still, he is exactly the kind of player the habs need more of- over six feet and can score. I think habs should keep him. Also very reasonable contract.

  64. Arnou Ruelle says:

    Say, just out of curiosity: who’s going to watch the Bears vs. Eagles game?

    Hopefully, everyone is rooting for the Bears. Marc Trestman made this team come back in playoff contention.

  65. SlovakHab says:

    Habby CH-ristmas, everyone!

  66. jols101 says:

    24/7 puts 24CH to shame. Much better production and a much better insight on the day to day lifestyle of a NHL player/coach. What a great lifestyle it is…

  67. boing007 says:

    Ol’ Saint Nick. Better than all the rest.

    Richard R

  68. MannyR says:

    Happy Holidays from us Habs fans in the GTA.
    Iceageddon has arrived.

  69. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Jack Todd. Shaddup you dang fool. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone else.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk but … there is fighting in hockey.

  70. J Dub says:

    Go fourth be merry

  71. Danno says:

    Happy Festivus


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
    Updates, highlights & great discussions on all things Habs

  72. ProHabs says:

    Merry Christmas to everyone two from me.

  73. Timo says:

    Without reading the rest of your post, yes, Fire Therrien :)

  74. Habsrule1 says:

    It’s Bergevin’s job to build the best team he can. If he trades anyone and makes the team worse, he’s to blame, not Therrien. Therrien has done well with the group he has, so far.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  75. Bripro says:

    I don’t think your comment was graphic enough. You should try adding a few more colourful metaphors to make your point.

  76. DipsyDoodler says:

    An unsubstantiated rumour drives you in this much of a tizzy?

  77. Marc10 says:

    When PK signs an 8 year mega deal with the Habs, what will you say? I’ll be the first to call you on it, so I’m genuinely interested.

    And we’re not trading the only guy that can score 30 and is on a cap friendly deal unless the exact same thing comes the other way or if there is a building block type player the Habs hope to get back in return. I get people are interested in Max, but the rest is more of the same… just speculation.

    Evander Kane is a more realistic trade target if you’re talking Max and rumours. Max is more cap friendly, but E Kane is more of a Therrien type player if you go back to his junior teams. If you swing that deal, you probably move a few more pieces to make it happen. E Kane has more tools than Max. That said, Max seems to be more mature and less of a head case.

  78. Timo says:

    I can’t decipher if he likes or dislikes MT.

  79. Gerry H says:

    Speaking of hot heads, are you sure you’re not over-reacting to a totally speculative story here? If MT has one indisputably proven quality, it’s his ability to develop young talent (ask anyone involved with the Penguins organization).

    Until I hear MT himself throw Max under the bus, I’m not believing a word of it. Even Brooksie himself is going out of his way to qualify the speculation (“inexplicable,” “apparently” and “not ideal,” are hardly the stuff of a trash-talking coach.

  80. Habsrule1 says:

    Well, H…I think you’re missing the point. The team has done very well with Therrien as head coach so far. Max is getting lots of ice time and performing well.
    If all this equates to Bergevin trading Max, that’s not Therrien’s fault. Therrien seems to be giving Max everything he needs to succeed.
    I think you need to take a step back and look at the evidence. None support the idea that Therrien dislikes Max.
    I also am yet to see hot-headed. Does he yell at his players sometimes? Yes, and they deserve it. He’s gotten them working pretty hard most nights and I’m satisfied with the team since he’s become the coach….and I was not a fan of the hiring.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

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