Habs, Eller far apart heading into salary arbitration

The Canadiens and restricted free-agent Lars Eller have a salary arbitration hearing slated for Friday with the team and player submitting their respective financial figures on Wednesday – and they are very far apart when it comes to a new contract.

The Canadiens are offering $1.65 million, while Eller is looking for $3.1 million. Eller earned $1.5 million last season when he posted 12-14-26 totals in 77 regular-season games and had 5-8-13 totals in 17 playoff games.

P.K. Subban, the Canadiens’ other restricted free agent, has an arbitration hearing slated for Aug. 1 and the defenceman will be looking for a huge raise from the $3.75 million he earned last season when he posted 10-43-53 totals in 82 regular-season games and had 5-9-14 totals in 17 playoff games.

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Habs’ salary-cap chart, capgeek.com

Will Subban make Top 10 list of highest-paid NHLers?, Stu on Sports blog

Surprising trade to Sabres still sinking in for Gorges, Kelowna Daily Courier

266 Comments

  1. keithmacv says:

    Just saw Eller sign 4yrs..anyone see the dollar amount?

  2. Alvin says:

    Patches – DD – Parenteau
    Bournival – Pleks – Sekac
    Prust – Galchenyuk – Galagher
    Bourque – Eller – Weiss
    Moen – Malhotra – ? RW

    • db says:

      Since we only need 4 forward lines I’ll go with this..

      Max-DD-Gally
      Chucky-Pleks-PAP
      Bourque-Eller-Cakes/Prust
      Bourni/Moen-Malhotra-Weiss

      I just dont see Bourni as a top 6… Bourque and Eller can easily slide up.

  3. mksness says:

    eller a playoff performer? it was one playoff. kinda like the hot streak he had at the begining of the season. he’ll get 2.25 a year no more. kinda like the krieder deal.

    further more eller is in a position that in the playoffs it will be his time to shine as teams will most likely load up their best defensive assets against our #2a and 2b lines ( we don’t have a real #1 line). i wouldn’t be against signing him for 5years at 15million though. get cost certainty and as some have said not all that bad of a deal for a 3rd line center regardless of the name.

    the other thing is i heard some sports talk radio claiming the teams are far apart from what they both submitted in the arbitration hearing. might not be as far apart from making an actual deal. just the habs will want to go low and eller high with the hopes of meeting in the middle

  4. JohnBellyful says:

    New thread: All in the Family

  5. habs001 says:

    Some of the same posters who are overrating Eller are the same posters that overrated Diaz,Weber,SK74,Pouliot…Most players by 25 are what they are..Eller will have his 14-15 goal season and 35 points more regularly than not..can he have a big year sure..Domi one year had 15 goals..but i just dont see him having a huge offensive upside…

    • SmartDog says:

      I can’t recall Diaz or Weber being one of our best players in the playoffs. Or leading the team in any way for any stretch as Eller has a couple of times.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • krob1000 says:

      Sergei Kostitsyn led the Predators in scoring with 23 goals and 27 assists on one of the most offensively challenged teams around…attitude issues caught up with him…talent? never in question.
      ‘Pouliot? just got 20 million dollars and looks like a player now…
      Weber? never saw anyone really overrate weber…
      Diaz? stil think he is an NHL dman..needs to be in right mix like Gorges IMO

      Same people overrating Dd are same people who overrated Gorges, loved Halak more than Price, disliked Ryder, Koivu and thought Kovalev was a God…

  6. zephyr says:

    we have 3 power fwds with elite speed on this team: max, eller & bourque. with eller & bourque playing together, they were very tough to defend against. ag might be the 4th but I don’t think he’s as big as the other 3 – yet. dd is the best playmaker we have right now with ag 2nd. those are the guys u want to get the puck to coming out of our zone unless ur hitting someone for a breakaway. ag was very effective in the playoffs esp. considering he was coming off that leg injury. he’s going to be great. that’s why I’d like to see ag at ctr this season. I can see dd becoming our #2 ctr some time this season. he needs bigger wingers tho & shouldn’t ever be paired with Gallagher.
    that means pleks should go because eller is better imo. he’s bigger, tougher, younger & his game looked great in the playoffs. pleks is a diff kind of ctr. he’s a shooter but he’s soft. great checking ctr but I think u hand that 2-way role over to eller now. depends what we can get for pleks tho.
    I think moen is done & maybe prust should go too. we still need a heavyweight tough for the 4th line anyway. I don’t think mb is done yet.
    I’m so glad gio & briere are gone. gorges too.

    • ari says:

      I disagree.habs doesn’t have power forward to begin with.
      bourque could be the one.but never achieved. The injuries and concussion might be the reason.

    • Alvin says:

      No man…you gotta keep Pleks for more than one good reason and one good reason is that young Czech winger SEKAC that they signed who would be the perfect compliment to Pleks.

  7. Hobie says:

    The reason I’d take Eller over Desharnais is that Eller plays a complete game. A coach can do so much more with a guy like Eller over someone like Desharnais.

    If Desharnais is off on any given night he can’t make up for it in other areas like Eller can. If Desharnais misses on a shot or a pass he might as well peel off because he ain’t going into the corner to win a battle for the puck.

    On a night where Eller’s aim is off he can still hold the puck in the offensive zone and create another scoring opportunity by winning a puck battle. Put Eller on a line with two other big forwards like Pacioretty and Vanek and they’d be lethal.

    Eller might lack the ability to feather a pretty pass like Desharnais but he elapses him in most other areas which makes him a more complete and valuable player, IMO.

    We’ve seen bursts of brilliance from Eller, like last year in the playoffs and other stretches. Like I said, put him with two other big and skilled wingers and he’d be lights out. The line would appear to be skating downhill on most nights.

    The way things are now, I might put Eller between Parenteau and Bourque. Not exactly the two stars Eller needs but they could be OK.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      It depends where you want to play them. Neither are 1st line centers for starters. DD sucks defensively but can clearly put up better assist numbers than Eller so he’s probably more as a second line center. DD would be worthless on the 3rd or 4th line where Eller has shown he can excel (playoffs) with his stronger two-way and physical play. I don’t know why people compare them as they fill different roles on the team. Eller compared to Pleks or DD compared to Chucky would be more appropriate.

      • Hobie says:

        For a brief few weeks the Canadiens were flirting with having a legitimate number one line after they acquired Tomas Vanek. The Habs NEVER have one of the most dangerous or productive lines in the NHL. With Vanek on one side and Pacioretty on the other, your average center, like Eller or DD, becomes a good center.

        So when you say Eller isn’t a number one center I think that’s wrong. On that line, Eller could play strong positionally and Pacioretty and Vanek would be firing pucks home. Eller could get 60 or maybe 70 points. He’s big and very strong positionally on the other side of the puck too. Where Desharnais is absolutely not.

        Eller will probably get 40-45 points playing with Bourque next year.

  8. Ian Cobb says:

    You only have until Monday at 10:30am, if you want a summit ticket folks!!
    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

    I just got home from having a fantastic visit and dinner in Kingston with Derek (fronts), thiner Jim & and Chris (habfan10912 & Chrisadiens) and Mr. CJ,from Ottawa, our new GM in training!
    Very kind of you Derek(fronts) for the invite and my dinner.
    See you all again at this years Summit meet and greet Friday night.

    • frontenac1 says:

      The pleasure was all mine amigo. You do great work for this place. Great meeting CJ and his fine family. And Jim is in better shape than Chris?? What’s up with that? See you in Nov. Saludos!

  9. CH Marshall says:

    The one thing I appreciate about Eller is although we can debate what his role is, he can easily slide into any position up front if there is a need for it, and still contribute.. Definately a good thing to have especially heading into playoffs

  10. The Jackal says:

    Looks like DD vs. Eller is the new Price vs. Halak.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  11. shiram says:

    I’d just like to say, that when we discussed finding a place for Chucky at C, I was saying it would make the most sense to either move DD to the wing, or in a trade.
    I don’t think I’m favoring any player out of DD or Eller, but I just see them as filling different roles on the team.

  12. SmartDog says:

    If Eller is asking 3.1, I offer him 2.5 on a five year deal. If we settle at 2.75 in a year or two that may turn out to be the best contract on the team.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Habfan17 says:

      Based on the free agent signings that Ma-A Million posted below, Eller should get at least $2.25 million this season. I think a 2 year deal at $2.5 million per season would be fair to both sides. If he proves he can raise his game and be consistent, then he will earn a long term contract at bigger bucks. One could argue, his season was not great due to the linemates, position change, and role he was given. I think a 3rd line of Sekac, Eller and Bourque would be strong and balanced. More like a 2B line than a 3rd line. Galchenyuk with Pleks and Gallagher and Patches with DD and Parenteau to start.
      Then Prust, Malhotra and Weise.

      Habfan17

      • SmartDog says:

        Even $3 million is not a BIG contract in terms of cap space. If they believe in Eller at all, they’ll move up over 2.5 and if they’re smart, I think they’ll do more than 2 years.

        If he has another playoff round like he did this year, and picks his game up at all (from a year that is sure to be his worst) in 2 years he could be asking for 5 million. I’d sign him while his stock is low, based on what he showed he can do in the playoffs and the 2-way role he plays well.

        ————————————-
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • crane says:

        Somehow I would like Bournival Plekanec Gally great third line
        D.D. has to go. Bork Eller Sekac
        Moen goes Patches Gally P.A.
        Prust Man. Wiese

  13. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Here’s an unpopular opinion. If Subban really wants more than 8 (and in arbitration, it wouldn’t surprise me if he asks for 9 or 10, but as a negotiating position), then we are debating what the Habs get for him.
    A proven scorer and a first rounder, I’d suggest. You sign him for a 2 year, and you have a year to improve the team as best you can by trading him, ideally west.
    Edmonton?
    Then again, do we want Edmonton???

  14. Un Canadien errant says:

    Love these. Video of P.K. training.

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/07/21/pk-subban-sentraine-fort-en-vue-de-la-prochaine-saison

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  15. on2ndthought says:

    Before you put Eller with Max, look at the style that makes each successful (when they are). Max is a find the seam and wait for the puck type guy offensively and even mostly in the defensive zone he is looking for a sharp outlook pass. You need VISION to see him. Talk all you want about Eller, it is one aspect of his game as yet undeveloped.

    Eller, on the other hand, is an aggressive fore-checker who wants you to be in position in front of the net for a pass or to stuff in a rebound. Guess what? For all his size, you will not often find Max there, he prefers to set up in position to unleash his laser.

    These are NOT complimentary players. I’m not saying a line with them together would be a disaster. Perhaps a play-maker on RW (PA, for example) might mitigate between the two styles. Until we get Toews or Crosby, I’m afraid you should get used to DD (the best vision on the team – OK , with Markov) with Patches.

    BTW, that’s what makes Gallagher so valuable on any line. He’s a digger with a decent shot. He complements everyone’s style.

    “a cannonading drive”

    • Luke says:

      neat-o I basically said the same thing…

    • krob1000 says:

      I disagree completely…MAax has shown glimpses of being far more complete than people give him credit for. By putting another pure playmaker ligke Chucky on there I was compensating but Eller is a much better playmaker than people give him credit for….it is just difficult to demonstrate when your linemates are never thinking the same way you are…how amny times did the poor guy gain the line only to have noone with him or if they were they were headed for the corner to retireve a pucka nd Eller was looking to make a play. I think a line of Chucky-Eller-Patches would be the best line the Hbs have seen in years myself….I also do not think it would need to be sheltered….Max can play both ends of the ice..it is Dd who has trouble in the dzone.

      • on2ndthought says:

        I can agree to disagree. I’m not talking about Eller’s upside, just what we have now. Somewhere in the first ten comments on this thread I said what I like about Eller, I won’t re-post here. It just seems some commentors here don’t have the vision to see what DD brings :)

        “a cannonading drive”

    • SmartDog says:

      Nice insight. It makes sense. Scary.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  16. krob1000 says:

    Shiram…Eller getting 2 more points than DD over a 48 game stretch i VERy signifcant since Eller ‘s role is completely different. Also for the first quarter of last year DD put up one point in 20 some games…not unlike Eller. In the playoffs it was no contest…and Eller was still not getting any offesnive role..and he still doubled up on DD. You factor in what else they bring tot he table and I quite honestly cann not underatnd how anyone could even consider them nearly equal and in most cases believe Dd is a better player.
    I just find it hard to believe that there is a single GM in theleague who next year if there was an expansion draft and those two guys were available would choose DD….I just don;t get it. This does not mean I do not respect what DD has done…just that I truly think Eller is already a bette rplayer than D given his versatility and while I do agree that DD has a slight edge offensively…I think that is an untapped resource with Eller and that the gap could very easily be close dand that Eller may still end up having his best NHL season be better than DD’s…..time will tell but that is how I see it.

    • shiram says:

      They’re different player, they play different roles, and face different opposition, I’m not saying one is better than the other overall, but there are certain aspects of the game where one shines and the other does not.

      DD is certainly a better playmaker. DD makes the sweet passes and Eller is more about garbage goals on the fore-check and goal crease scrambles.

      But both are pretty great at the shoot out.

      I’d rather have Eller for tough defensive zone assignments, he’s much better there than DD, and his use shows that.

      And I do think Eller could indeed be better offensively, but often times it looked like the puck was a grenade on his stick, while at other he hugged it like a first born baby.

      I’d put it this way, DD is already there as it relates to his skill set and production, I doubt he improves greatly.
      I think Eller still has room to improve, but it’s not assured that he will reach that top limit.

      • krob1000 says:

        It is assured he will never reach taht limit if he never gets to try that role…that is why the issue with so many . We know DD’s ceiling…if all goes well I believe he could get 65-70 points in a banner season….I aslo think Eller could potentially do that after a couple of seasons in a similar role..but all the while h could be playing a complete game… i think Eller has near Patrice bergeron ability.

        • shiram says:

          That’s a far stretch a 19 year old Bergeron had 16g/23a in 77 games.
          Eller has not got over 30 points, and started older.
          And Bergeron is much much better defensively.

          I agree that he has more of a 2way game than DD.
          Which is why he is used the way he is.
          What’s missing are better wingers really.

  17. Un Canadien errant says:

    A tiny bit more info on Patrice Brisebois’ decision to resign as Player Development Coach with the Canadiens. Apparently, he’s interested in a coaching position sometime in the future.

    «La plus grosse affaire, c’est que quand je regarde l’organisation, est-ce qu’il y avait un futur pour moi dans l’organisation ? L’équipe va bien. J’aimerais ça être un ”coach”. Est-ce qu’il va y avoir une possibilité ?», se questionnait-il avant de prendre la décision finale.

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/07/18/une-decision-difficile-pour-brisebois

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • shiram says:

      Funny, we got an assistant coach position open now.
      I doubt anyone would give him an NHL head coach job, without prior coaching work.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I don’t get the sense that he wants to jump straight to an NHL head coaching gig, that seems unrealistic. I would guess he’d want to be an assistant, working with defencemen, but both roles in the organization are filled now, with Jean-Jacques Daigneault in Montréal and Donald Dufresne in Hamilton.

        I’m thinking Patrice wants to start at the LHJMQ level this season and work his way up. That would dovetail with his stated intention to be around more for his children, he’d be travelling a bit less, I would think.

  18. on2ndthought says:

    Predictions if settled before arbitrator:
    Eller 3 yrs @ $2.75M
    Subban 5 yrs @ $8M

    If it goes to arbitrator:
    Eller 1 yr at 2.5M
    Subban 2 yr at 7.5 M

    “a cannonading drive”

    • habcertain says:

      If they go to arbitration, you may as we’ll put them in a package deal, because they are done here, they would never resign. $2.5 seems fair for Eller, he has been playing out of position with a cast of thousands. I think he can produce at center, could easily displace DD given the chance, he has the size and the tools to excel, not a 1st rounder for nothing.

    • krob1000 says:

      Really hope they nail down a 4th year now while they can with Eller.

  19. PeterD says:

    I think Eller gets $2.5M either in arb or before…team elects 2 yr. Term.

    PK will get $7.75M in arb or before …and team elects 2 year term.
    I think the 2 yr term is best for PK right now as he will be holding all the cards at the end of this contract ad he enters UFA…thats when his big long term pay day arrives.

  20. Un Canadien errant says:

    I just came across a lengthy profile about Manny Malhotra in Le Journal de Montréal, lots of info and background.

    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2014/07/16/manny-malhotra-de-souche-quebecoise

    It’s in French, maybe use Google Translate if interested.

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  21. Max_a_million says:

    Why are people trying to give away our cap space as gift to Eller? Regardless of how good or not good he is. Business is business.
    Do you go to the baker and say $4 isn’t enough for that loaf of bread I am giving you $7???
    This is called being a good steward of limited resources. Saving every penny you can allows us to have the best lineup we can and maximum flexibility.
    Is it a pride issue that he needs to make more than DD. Suck it up, this is business and everyone knows that. Except Josh Gorges perhaps.
    Here’s something: I like Josh Gorges, but I think if he was handling the puck more he would have less blocked shots and be more effective. A blocked shot means the other team has the puck. PK will never lead the league in blocked shots. Neither did Larry Robinson.

  22. Hobie says:

    I think if the Habs were to have put Eller between Pacioretty and Vanek after the deadline and in the playoffs we could have seen Eller’s numbers go through the roof. You would have had three big bodies with loads of talent on the same line.

    If Eller played a full season with Pacioretty and Vanek I think we could have expected 20 goals and 60 points from him.

    With Vanek gone, the opportunity is lost. Sure you could put Eller with Pacioretty and maybe Gallagher but without Vanek it’s just not the same. Pacioretty-Eller-Vanek could have dominated.

    So once again, the best spot for Eller now is probably the 3rd line with Borque and whoever else.

    • Luke says:

      Eller and Bourque tore it up in the playoffs. I don’t know why anyone would want to split them up.
      Max scored 39 with DD as his centre.
      Plex and Galchenyuk do well together.

      Can’t we all just get along?

      • Hobie says:

        Eller and Bourque were amazing in the playoffs. I doubt they can play at that pace over 82 games. Put Eller between Pacioretty and Vanek and he would produce at the same pace he did in the playoffs. The line would be considerably better with Eller at center than Desharnais.

        • Luke says:

          It’s moot because Vanek is goner…

          But why do you think Eller/Bourque can’t keep up the playoff pace?

          Is it because of Bourque’s inconsistency in the past and faith that Eller is better than Shawn Matthias?

        • shiram says:

          Could it be said then that he would be carried by those two?

          Anyways, it is speculation at best.
          there is no way to prove that Eller would do better than DD did.

          • krob1000 says:

            We can prove he did better than DD the first quarter of last season, we can prove he did better than Dd in the playoffs and we can prove he did better than DD in the entire lockout shortened season….. nope we can;’ prove that he would have done better last year in that role but we can prove he has outplayed DD offensively in gigantic stretches repeatedly despite never having the teams top winger and best roles.

            IF you factor in the 48 game season, the 82 game season and the playoffs?
            Eller wins first 48 games
            Eller wins next 25 games,
            Dd wins next 55 games
            Eller wins next 15 games in playoffs

            It is a lot more even than people think and NOONE can argue DDd has not been given the better offensive opportunity. I see it as more of a testament to Eller being able to be used in other roles but I get frustrated when people act like Eller is awful offensively…Dd has had some horrid offensive stetches too…and is no more “consistent” over the last two years then Eller.

          • Hobie says:

            Speculation for sure. I just have/had a hunch. I think Vanek and Pacioretty would have carried Eller at the start and really jump started his career.

            Eller probably wouldn’t score 50 goals like John LeClair did when he moved onto the line with Eric Lindros and Mikael Renberg but I think the situation could have been similar.

          • shiram says:

            You are overstating small differences.
            The lockout shortened season was indeed great for Eller, but he only had 2 more points than DD.
            We could also say DD did a lot better than Eller for the 60 last game of the season, last season, a much greater sample size.

            Small sample size of awesomeness for Eller does not outweigh DD producing at a consistent pace.

          • Luke says:

            @Hobie – I don’t think Eller and Max are a fit.

            Max is a predator. He typically gets and releases the puck very very quickly. Eller doesn’t move the puck as quickly as DD does in the offensive zone. He isn’t a creative as DD, IMO.

            I could see Eller and Vanek having success but I don’t recall them playing together.
            I think he worked well with Bourque because they play a similar style, but Bourque is more of a finisher. (Yikes, that was weird to type).

      • krob1000 says:

        If these were the lines what would everyone project the centers point totals to be?

        Chucky-Eller-Patches
        Sekac-Pleks-Gallagher
        Prust-DD-Bourque
        Bournival-Malhotra-Weise

        • on2ndthought says:

          wouldn’t happen. if it did I suspect DD would end up with more points than Lars

          “a cannonading drive”

        • Habbergasted says:

          I think Eller would end up with about 40-45 points, 15-20 goals. Pacioretty would start slow on the RW, but could be set up well from Galchenyuk. Eller could get alot of secondary assists, but would mostly be digging the puck out for Galckenyuk. Eller could end up putting in alot of loose pucks infront of the net. This line has potential merit, but I would like to see maybe Galchenyuk-Eller-Bourque for the existing chemistry.

          Plekanecs point total would heavily depend on how well Sekac performs. If Sekac could pot 20, Plekanec could be looking around 50 points. Gallagher would again be digging out the puck for Plekanec.

          I dont see Prust-DD-Bourque meshing well at all. On this line DD would be lucky to have 30 points.

          It would be a great year if Malholtra gets 20 points, maybe Bournival helps with that. The problem with these projected lines is that you forgot Parenteau, who is obviously a top six forward. Either Sekac or Bournival will sit.

          These are still the lines I would like to see, with who we have:

          Pacioretty-Desharnais-Parenteau
          Galchenyuk-Eller-Bourque
          Sekac-Plekanec-Gallagher
          Bournival-Prust/Malholtra-Weise

          • Habbergasted says:

            Just as a side note Gallagher can slot in on any of these lines.

            Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
            Bourque-Eller-Gallagher
            Sekac-Plekanec-Gallagher
            Weise-Prust-Gallagher

  23. HabsCollective says:

    Eller is an ideal third line center. A guy who can chip in with offence, but he does not have the vision or instincts to be a top 6 center. We all seem to forget, but he got promoted early last season when DD was in the doghouse over a course of about 10 games, and did absolutely nothing, I would go as far as to say he looked completely out of place. Granted he had a good playoffs, but so did Bourque, which probably has more to do with the favorable matchups than anything.

    Eller has never in his entire pro hockey career been a dominant player, dating back to his days with St. Louis’ AHL affiliate. On what grounds are we making him the centerpiece of our organization? Because he happens to be taller than any of the other centers? The idea of trading away the habs depth at center so they can promote a guy who has not eclipsed the 30 point mark in 4 years is laughable. Eller will get one of those top two spots in a heartbeat…. once he proves he is capable of handling it. He had his chance last year and did nothing with it.

  24. Max_a_million says:

    2013 – Free agent centres; again the players and teams were not notified that the top centres go to free agency ALL of the time.
    Don’t let facts get in the way of a good argument
    Patrik Elias Re-signed with the Devils. 3 years, $16 million
    Mike Ribeiro Signed with the Coyotes. 4 years, $22 million
    Tim Connolly
    Andy McDonald Retired
    Nik Antropov
    Derek Roy Signed with the Blues. 1 year, $4 million
    Saku Koivu Re-signed with the Ducks. 1 year, $2.5 million
    Roman Cervenka Signed in KHL
    Matthew Lombardi
    Matt Cullen Signed with the Predators. 2 years, $7 million
    Dainius Zubrus Re-signed with the Devils. 3 years, $9.3 million
    Stephen Weiss Signed with Red Wings . 5 years, $24.5 million
    Manny Malhotra
    Michal Handzus Re-signed with the Blackhawks. 1 year, $1 million
    Kyle Wellwood
    Mike Santorelli Signed with the Canucks. 1 year, $550,000
    Tyler Bozak Re-signed with the Leafs. 5 years, $21 million
    Marty Reasoner
    Boyd Gordon Signed with the Oilers. 3 years, $9 million
    Jochen Hecht
    David Steckel
    Maxim Lapierre Signed with the Blues. 2 years, $2.2 million.
    Jerred Smithson
    Peter Regin Signed with the Islanders. 1 year, $750,000
    Jarod Palmer
    Tim Brent
    Chris VandeVelde
    Scott Nichol Retired
    Scott Gomez
    Andre Deveaux

  25. knob says:

    For the past decade fans have been clamouring for a centre with size that can play a 200 foot game and score points. Eller is that guy. He is better than Desharnais, regardless of the numbers. Desharnais is the token “hometown boy” and as a result is given all the opportunites possible to succeed. Let me say this: Galchenyuk should be playing on the top line; Eller should be on the second line; and Plekanec should be on the third line. It is time to get over the love affair with the token hometown boy and move this francise forward.

    MB:
    Stop screwing around with players and get this guy and Subban signed and signed at fair deals.

  26. Max_a_million says:

    Here is the list of top centres that went to free agency:
    There are so many large superstar player names on the board I am a tad dizzy. Apparently I have never watched a hockey game because ALL centres go to free agency. Apparently the NHL is also unaware of this rule.
    Stastny, Paul $28M 4 $7M
    Bolland, Dave $27.5M 5 $5.5M
    Grabovski, Mikhail $20M 4 $5M
    Perreault, Mathieu $9M 3 $3M
    Legwand, David $6M 2 $3M
    Boyle, Brian $6M 3 $2M
    Ott, Steve $5.2M 2 $2.6M
    McCormick, Cody $4.5M 3 $1.5M
    MacKenzie, Derek $3.9M 3 $1.3M
    Vitale, Joe $3.3M 3 $1.1M
    Moore, Dominic $3M 2 $1.5M
    Fiddler, Vernon $2.5M 2 $1.25M
    Jokinen, Olli $2.5M 1 $2.5M
    Richards, Brad $2M 1 $2M
    Winchester, Jesse $1.8M 2 $900K
    Santorelli, Mike $1.5M 1 $1.5M
    Goc, Marcel $1.2M 1 $1.2M
    Tarnasky, Nick $1.15M 2 $575K
    Ribeiro, Mike $1.005M 1 $1.005M
    Roy, Derek $1M 1 $1M
    McClement, Jay $1M 1 $1M
    Malhotra, Manny $850K 1 $850K
    Angelidis, Mike $650K 1 $650K
    Regin, Peter $650K 1 $650K
    Street, Ben $650K 1 $650K
    Haley, Micheal $600K 1 $600K
    Holmstrom, Ben $600K 1 $600K
    Camper, Carter $600K 1 $600K
    Jones, Blair $600K 1 $600K
    Bolduc, Alexandre $600K 1 $600K

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I got your point Max, he’s the one who’s confused. Very few prime talents get to the UFA market nowadays, they all get signed to long-term deals by their current team, most everyone would agree.

      Paul Stastny is definitely the exception, not the rule.

      • Max_a_million says:

        Yes sorry, sometimes in this room you get the oddest responses. You have been one of the sane one’s today. Yikes.
        It’s a negotiation. We would string MB up by his heels over the bell centre if he screwed up our cap giving gifts to players because he liked them. Gone are the days when the Canadiens have to overpay! Be happy about it.

  27. Cardiac says:

    Must be a slow news day in Hogtown… There are SPECULATIONS that Stamkos MIGHT sign with the Laffs IF he comes a free agent in TWO YEARS!

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2014/07/23/maple_leafs_steven_stamkos_ignores_speculation_hell_sign_with_toronto.html

    How does one get a writer gig for a major Canadian city newspaper and be given an opportunity to come up with gold like this is beyond me…

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Jean Béliveau might come out of retirement and sign with the Canadiens too. Maybe I should post that and count how many clicks I get with that jewel.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I don’t have to read the entire article .. just read this extract.

      ” Naturally, Steven Stamkos was at the centre of that speculation. The Tampa Bay Lightning captain and Markham, Ont., native could be an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2016, and the allure of playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs could be there.”

      OK in 2016 he could be UFA … so what is so crazy to speculate that he would be pursued by Toronto and could sign there.

      Stamkos would be like a KING in Toronto.

      It’s not CRAZY at all.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

      They have the delusion, hard to dislodge, that deep down, everybody wants to play for the Leafs.

  28. Un Canadien errant says:

    Not sure if this has been posted before, but it’s a great article on the Subban family, and some of the considerations race has played in their journey to the NHL.

    http://colorofhockey.com/2014/07/23/the-subbans-building-a-hockey-dynasty-one-child-at-a-time/

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  29. Cal says:

    Are we sure Steeltown isn’t the 4 of them in Kingston playing with us?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      He’s just ceaselessly negative about any decisions made by the Canadiens management and coaching staff, to the point where I wonder why he bothers being a Habs fan. He should switch to the Leafs or Sabres and be done with.

      And I resent that he uses P.K.’s image as his avatar. They both could not be any more different in attitude. And I sometimes make the mistake of reading his posts because I attribute positive intent to the posts, unintentionally, before it dawns on me that “Darn, I wasted my time reading that troll’s post.”

  30. twilighthours says:

    It’s so sad that every discussion surrounding Eller turns into a discussion on DD.

    I’m pretty sure it’s ok to:

    Like desharnais
    Like Eller
    Think desharnais is a better offensive player
    Think Eller is a better defensive player
    Think desharnais’ contract is reasonable
    Think Eller’s contract offer of 1.65m per is low
    Want both these players (and plekanec, and galchenyuk) on the team

    Let me know if having these opinions is not possible.

  31. veryhabby says:

    My offer would be 2 yrs at $5.5M-5.75M total to Eller

    For PK, it would be $7.5M per year for 8 yrs

  32. veryhabby says:

    Eller would have been a top 6 player for this team already if he didn’t show his disapproval of being played as a winger. If he had switched to winger…he’d be getting his $3M, if not more, this contract.

    We are weak at wing, have been the last 2 seasons. He could have been the answer to the wing spot with Patches/DD. I know, I know many of you think DD is garbage and that Eller would have more pts if he played DD minutes/linemates. Of course no one can know cause it never happened. But when the opportunity came for him to have a bigger role on this team, via playing the wing, he basically refused. He didn’t want to play there, made it clear to media, and you could tell he wasn’t trying on the ice and thus forcing the team to put him back on 3rd line.

    I use to think Martin was nuts when he stated….I don’t know what I have in Eller. And here we are 2-3 yrs later and the Habs are still not sure what they have. He may be more of a Pouliot then a top 6 player. Has the tools and everyone keeps waiting to see it come together!

    • 123456 says:

      Nice post – no one knows yet

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      He’s not a winger, they tried, he tried. It didn’t work. His D zone is so strong we’d be dumb to lose than down the middle anyways.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  33. Jeffster911 says:

    I think both eller and subban will be signed just before the arbitration date. The question is for how much.

    I predict a 3-4 year 2.5-2.75M per for Lars
    As for subban … 6-8 years at 8M per season

  34. Steeltown Hab says:

    You guys are right. Desharnais is a star, we’re lucky he’s here or Pacioretty would really be struggling.

    He’s also underpaid and very tradeable.

    If Eller can’t put up 50 pts with Prust as a regular linemate and no PP time he doesn’t deserve more than 2M

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • Max_a_million says:

      He’s not consistent. He disappeared for a long stretch. If he was consistent probably 3 plus. As it is probably 2.5, not to shabby.

      Desharnais has a decent contract. you’d love to have size, but we have five good centres. That’s what you want, and unless we can upgrade somewhere it makes sense to go with what we have. In 2 years when Eller is Desharnais’ age he could easily get a much bigger contract than Davey.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Desharnais size isn’t the only issue. He’s extremely soft, very weak in the defensive end and his skating is at best average by NHL standards.

        Eller was the fastest skater at the last two training camps, is an animal in the dzone and along the boards, pair that with hands and offensive ability. It’s a no brainer.

        St. Louis wouldn’t be who he is if he wasn’t a world class skater and beast all over the ice. When you’re that size you have to have an advantage somewhere the “hockey sense” is so overblown with DD.
        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • twilighthours says:

      You’re a peach.

    • jols says:

      I don’t get the DD love on this site either. It is overwhelming the love this guy gets on this site. If you check out other sites that isn’t the case.

    • bwoar says:

      Eller couldn’t put up 50 points with Pacioretty & Vanek.

    • HabsCollective says:

      We all watch Eller play. His line mates are not the problem. It is the erratic decisions he makes in the offensive zone, especially on the rush. He has a habit of trying no look passes that rarely end up on a teammates stick. When he shoots the puck on the rush it is more often than not directly into the stomach/chest of the goaltender. Eller is a great player, but he has yet to prove he has the offensive instincts to be a #1 or even a #2 center. He plays a dynamite defensive game however, and that is why we see him as the #3 center on most nights.

      Based on that it makes little sense to simply offer him a promotion and huge raise, considering his sense of entitlement was something that he had to work with a sports psychologist on. He has been with the habs for a few years now and has not done anything worthy of a promotion, except being taller and heavier than the other centers.

    • shiram says:

      Eller has not earned a 3+ million contract, and you’ve said nothing to prove otherwise.
      Look around the league and find comparable center that got 26 points and earn 3 millions +.

  35. HardHabits says:

    Eller: 3 years at 2.4 million per.

    Subban: 8 years at 8.8 million per.

    • New says:

      You gotta go with PK’s track record, holding out into the regular season. Eller 2 years at 2.5 and 3 total 5.5. Subban 5.5 and 6 for 11.5 over two years.

      Just for giggles and chuckles.

  36. jols says:

    If Eller wants to sign a long term 4-6 year contract 3 million per is fine cause it eats up some UFA years and he is only getting better.

    Otherwise a 1 year deal is all that can be offered so he can have a better season and then sign a long term deal at a higher number.

    Can’t do a 2 year deal cause then he will be a UFA and when 6’2 centers with great skating ability, physicality and good all around skill become available they are snatched up quickly and with a huge price tag.

  37. Mavid ® says:

    77

    Made it to Inverness went for a boat ride no sighting of Nessy…nice little city I would have liked to spend more time here but we have to head back to Bedford tomorrow

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  38. Steeltown Hab says:

    Here’s the thing people don’t get re: DD. Him not being able to play a defensive role doesn’t justify the getting the top offensive spot. So if Plekanec is better he deserves the spot.

    You see other players adopt there game to stay in the NHL all the time, see Michael Frolik, turned himself into a defensive specialist. You gotta earn your spot in this league not by default.

    See Patrick Holland in Hamilton trying to round out his game, we’re not giving him a shot in the top 6 spot with Mtl because his defensive game is weak.

    Putting a player in a position to succeed is one thing, hindering the development of guys who show more upside hurts the team.

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • shiram says:

      DD certainly earned his spot in the NHL, he’s produced at every level and worked hard to overcome his shortcomings (pun intended).

      And he is still producing, and I’d say he improved his defensive game some, though there’s still room for improvement.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Producing at every level needs to end. I actually die laughing how people cite his ECHL, Overage QMJHL production like it means something. Eller put up 57 pts in his only AHL season and he was about 3 years younger than when DD was PPG in the A. The minor league production means nothing.

        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

        • shiram says:

          It matter when you talk about earning an opportunity to play at the NHL level.

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            I’m talking about earning the role he’s in. It’s what you do at NHL level. Why does Corey Locke and countless other AHL stars have no career then.

            ———————————

            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

        • twilighthours says:

          So let’s start talking about Eller’s NHL production, then…

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            Obvioulsy the stats can’t be compared with Eller vs DD when they’re situations couldn’t be more polar opposite.

            ———————————

            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • CharlieHodgeFan says:

            Eller – 285 NHL games, 103 points
            Desharnais 257 NHL games, 163 points

            Whoo, advanced stats.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Also I responded to the post below.

        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

      • Max_a_million says:

        Hmmm Pacioretty and Vanek both made a big stink about playing with David Desharnais. You should inform them that he isn’t any good. They seem confused.

        • Steeltown Hab says:

          He’s Pacioretty’s best friend so naturally he did a lot to help him out. Vanek said he liked playing with the two of them, not DD specifically, and guess who he never played with. Eller – Put a scorer with Eller? Can’t do that.

          ———————————

          Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • Max_a_million says:

            You think Pacioretty is such a dummy that he would pick a crummy centre because he’s his buddy? Nope, he’s a pro. He wants to score. He picks Davey, because he believes Davey helps him score.

    • twilighthours says:

      Was that a desharnais to holland comparison?

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Not a player to player comparison.
        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      “You gotta earn your spot in this league not by default.”
      With a comment like that it’s hard to take you seriously.

    • Cal says:

      Did you watch DD against Boston or were your blinders on?

  39. bwoar says:

    Hyperbole seems to be the currency of the day. So:

    Anyone on this site who thinks Lars Eller has earned 3M a year with his NHL play to date is bats–t crazy and should never emit an opinion ever again on anything. Not even on the weather.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Wait he’s better than Alexie Yashin and he’s getting 7.4 million.

      Ha

    • Frozen Village says:

      He is worth 3 M a year is her gives us 2 yrs of his UFA life. Hence 4 X 3, I would be happy with.

      1.65M as an offer for the best centre on a final 4 team, seems a bit low, no ?

      More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

      • bwoar says:

        He isn’t even the second best centre on the team. A single playoff doesn’t make a career. Unless the viewer is twelve. Or a casual fan who only watches the playoffs. Or a Jaroslav Halak fan.

        Our most reliable centre makes 5M, our best offensive centre makes 3.5M. If that gets Eller 3M an RFA, Molson would have to fire the GM and shoot his dog too.

        On this day, right this second, Eller is an inconsistent 3rd C who may graduate this year to a great 3rd C. I don’t think he’ll ever be a good #2.

        I’m not debating MB’s offer. Others have patiently explained why its so low.

  40. Un Canadien errant says:

    Patrick Kane scored 5 goals and 5 assists in a beer league game in Buffalo.

    https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/patrick-kane-shows-up-to-buffalo-men-s-league-game–destroys-everyone-173919206.html

    Cliff Ronning played Men’s League hockey here in Whistler during Gary Bettman’s First Lockout. He played a couple of games by playing rightie instead of his normal left-handed shot. The others, he never shot on goal, only passed the puck around, and was still way, way too much of an advantage, his team never lost a game.

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  41. GrimJim says:

    I think there is another factor colouring the Habs arbitration offer. Whatever Eller gets will be the first comparable used when Chucky’s and Gally’s agents knock on MB door next summer. Odds are good those two will have better numbers than Eller next year, so if Eller is making $3 mill (or $4 mill), what does Chucky and Gally get?

    • jols says:

      This isn’t Eller’s second contract, it is his third so I don’t think it will have any impact on Chucky or Gally’s next contracts. They will both be expect to take a 2 year bridge deal like PK, Price and Patches. How much will be determined by how well they play this year.

      • GrimJim says:

        Tyler seguin’s second contract was six years. So was Eberle, Hall, Tyler Myers and Nugent-Hopkins (and Mikko Koivu’s second was four years). If I’m Chucky’s agent I’m trying to get a four year minimum deal out of MB. If MB refuses to play ball, I accept the one-year qualifiying offer making Chucky arbitration eligible next year. Just because the Habs want it doesn’t mean it’s the only way.

  42. jon514 says:

    Sigh… I know you need to score points to make it INTO the playoffs, but when is the last time Plek or DD scored 13 points in the playoffs.

    Lars is just hitting his stride. What we are basically saying is Moen, Prust, Bourque are all better than Lars. That’s why Prust is the 3rd line center right?

    • shiram says:

      We should have gotten Cammy back too then, he not only had 13 points, but 13 goals in the playoffs!

      And about Bourque, Moen and Prust, it is UFA versus RFA, as simple as that!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Again, in arbitration, players can only use other RFA’s as comparable, not players who are in their UFA years and can negotiate themselves higher contract or leave to sign with another team. Brandon Prust, Travis Moen and René Bourque are out of bounds for comparisons, so we’re not “basically saying” that.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      It’s just crappy of MB when Eller comes in at a fair figure, not above his value trying to use it as a bargaining chip and he gets offered that joke in return.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        But he came in at a figure double his value to the team. It’s negotiation, and if you think he doesn’t expect to come down from an inflated figure, you’re missing this game. Don’t worry, he’ll still end up overpaid, but not by as much.The extra money saved might help build a better team down the road.
        Bergevin is playing it right. Eller has yet to put together 2 or 3 solid, consistent seasons.

  43. Steeltown Hab says:

    Eller’s value is at a low right now. We know the player he is, is easily worth 3.1M. Put him in DD’s spot this year, he’s signing a 5M deal right now.

    Take advantage of this and get him long term. Anything under 4M at 4 years or more will be huge for our cap situation moving forward. He’s our #2 horse-center of the future, and should be that / defacto number 1 if he was used properly.

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • shiram says:

      The player he can be is certainly worth 3.1, but he’s not shown to be that player game in and game out.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        If you could only have one DD or Eller at the same salary who would you take for your franchise?
        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

        • shiram says:

          Well it’s easier to find a 3rd line that can pot in about 25 points, than a top 6 center that pots in about 55.
          But that has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
          And at 3.5 millions, Eller would have certainly been overpaid for his last season.

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            It’s ridiculously easy to find guys to pot 55 pts playing in DD’s spoon fed position of OZ starts, 1st unit PP time, and play with Pacioretty and Gallagher.

            Plekanec, Eller, Briere, Galchneyuk would all have broken 50 without a doubt in his role.

            ———————————

            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • shiram says:

            That’s easy to say, but there’s no way to prove it.

            And if scoring 55 points were easy, there would be much less demand for those kind of players, and their salary would be much lower.
            It just is not the case.

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            So you honestly believe there is demand for Desharnais around the league? Do you think he would get more trade interest than Eller if shopped?

            ———————————

            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • shiram says:

            You keep changing the goal post… what’s it matter who is more trade worthy??
            It does not change the fact that Eller has not earned a 3+ million contract.

        • CharlieHodgeFan says:

          I’d take Desharnais at 3,5, and Eller at 1.85.

    • on2ndthought says:

      with Eller as his center MaxPax easily scores 25 goals. Don’t compare apples and oranges.

      “a cannonading drive”

  44. Maritime Ronn says:

    Un Canadien errant writes re Josh Gorges:

    “… He keeps saying he doesn’t understand why he was traded. But maybe that’s the kind of obstinacy, of competitiveness that you need to make it to the NHL…”
    ——————————————
    The ” Obstinacy-Competitiveness” you mention to make the NHL is absolutely essential – or perhaps it truly is just outright Confidence…and it sometimes goes to limits that are difficult to understand when dealing with elite athletes that have achieved the highest Pro Level in their chosen sport/business …

    I’ll keep this as general as possible for obvious reasons, yet once upon a time in the later half of the last century, a ‘good acquaintance’ put up some much better than average goals scored in the NHL both for some seasons and career.

    When a slump happened, he blamed his stick-the tape-his skates-his skate edges-his elbow pads-his gloves-shoulder pads-the ice-his bed-the car mechanic…..yet never himself.

    When it was all said and done, we had a little (big) chat about all of that.

    He said looking back, he could not allow negative thoughts to enter his mind – that it was something else, and not him responsible for missing nets or hitting posts….that if he ever allowed any negative thoughts into his mind and kill the confidence level, he would not have lasted.

    He also mentioned the “God Given Talent’ aspect, yet those that were fortunate to possess that, ‘almost always’ were also the hardest workers and possessed a huge and singular focus over and above the norm – sometimes to the detriment of other important aspects of life at the age of 18-28.

    Back then, coaching was also vital, and some were known as “Career Killers” that destroyed youth enthusiasm and youthful confidence, for the warmth and experience of a veteran – because a coach was almost always judged by his record…

    Confidence is a very fragile thing.
    Perhaps at one time or another, we have all been guilty of criticizing a player…yet we also so quickly forget they are so very young (20-30) playing on an incredibly huge stage with enormous pressures – having sacrificed a lot along the way shared by their families…

  45. Arnou Ruelle says:

    If development camp in Sept. prior to pre-season shows both De la Rose and Sekac play at their finest, eventually they could crack the lineup as 2 new rookies. Also, the 2 centres that will fight for their positions will both be Galchenyuk and Plekanec. Pretty interesting predictions, hopefully it does happen.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Just to keep our terms straight, the development camp is the camp that happens in July, all over the league.

      The pre-camp that occurs in September before the main training camp is known as the ‘rookie camp’.

      • HardHabits says:

        No… but Arnou sounded so knowledgeable up until the phrase development camp in Sept .

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m not trying to be negative or dump on anyone here, just trying to ensure we’re all speaking the same language.

          Kind of like when people use the terms ‘breakout season’ and ‘career year’ interchangeably, when they don’t mean the same thing.

          I get what Arnou is saying, just offering a technical correction so we all stay on the same page.

  46. shiram says:

    The Panthers are ditching their ice girls

    Florida Panthers PR ‏@FlaPanthersPR

    The #FlaPanthers thank the Lady Panthers for nine years of service to our team and community.

    Florida Panthers PR ‏@FlaPanthersPR

    Moving forward our game presentation will feature a skating only team.

  47. Chrisadiens says:

    Having a great time hanging with Ian, Front, CJ and my Pops here in Kingston.

    Saludos Amigos!

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  48. gmur says:

    Around 3 million for Eller… around 9 million for Subban…

    Let’s hope these players, if and when they receive these contracts, set an example for the younger players in Montreal by keeping up their work ethic and not falling into questionable work ethic patterns after signing their deal… especially Subban. As much as I love how he plays, there’s a cockiness that just might go out of control when he becomes one of the richest defencemen in the league. How will he deal with Therrien after signing? In any context where a specific business deal dwarfs others, risk is magnified. In Subban’s case, the risk is not his play, but how a big contract will affect his mindset – attitude.

    As for Eller, I would definitely try hard to keep him… not a whole lot of players with his size and talent available for under 2 million a season… not even under 3.

    • Clay says:

      I know Eller had a (very) strong playoffs, but he simply does not deserve 3 million. He had an atrocious season, to put it nicely. I hope they can meet somewhere around 2 million per. Short term deal, and give him a chance to EARN a larger salary.

      __________________________
      ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

      • punkster says:

        Clay, I’ll nitpick a bit with this.

        I often see the word “deserves” when people disagree with a salary but I think it’s meaningless. One could argue that most players in the league don’t really “deserve” the salary they get.

        Also the word “atrocious” to describe his play last season is way over the top considering he had the best FO% of all centres on the team and one of the better ones in the league actually for centres who took around 1000 or more FO.

        Of course he’s not by any means a number one centre on any team but as a number 3 coming off a serious injury and playing with a wide range of wingers (both talented and not) he’ll be paid accordingly. And that likely means closer to $3M than $1M and on a longer term than 1 year.

        If he performs he’ll be a steal. If he doesn’t his contract won’t break anybody’s bank to take on.

        Release the Subbang!!!

        • Clay says:

          Fair points, all. As usual.
          Let me clarify ‘deserves’ – I use this in the context of the salary cap only. If not for that, I couldn’t care less what Eller makes.

          __________________________
          ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

  49. on2ndthought says:

    My Ultimate Player: (from the Habs website)
    Current:
    Hands: Ribeiro
    Vision: Crosby
    Power: Lucic
    Heart: Gallagher
    Shot: Stamkos
    Speed: Grabner

    All-time:
    Hands: Perrault
    Vision: Gretzky
    Power: Robinson
    Heart: the Rocket (pick ‘em ;) )
    Shot: Hull (pick ‘em)
    Speed: Cournoyer

    All-time Habs:
    Hands: Lafleur/ Laroche
    Vision: Beliveau/Lemaire
    Power: Robinson
    Heart: the Rocket (pick ‘em ;) )
    Shot: Shutt (from the slot), PK (from the point)
    Speed: Cournoyer

    “a cannonading drive”

  50. Un Canadien errant says:

    With all the horror stories we read about players who earned millions yet are destitute shortly after retiring, it’s refreshing to see Brian Savage live the life we envision we’d lead if we’d been lucky enough to play pro hockey. He’s now retired, comfortable, living on a golf course in Phoenix with Graeme DeLaet as a neighbour. He’s been friends with Mike Weir for a long time.

    Asked if he’s interested in working in the hockey world, he explains that he’s involved coaching his three kids, and trying to support minor hockey in Phoenix, that and golf keeps him busy (he’s a 3-handicap).

    Attaboy Brian, good to see a good guy living the good life after a rewarding career.

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/la-vie-heureuse-de-brian-savage-1.1323099

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • on2ndthought says:

      Fantastic. He always seemed the most awkward high-skilled player.

      “a cannonading drive”

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Ex Hab Bobby Smith is also living the dream

      Majority Owner and President of the Halifax Mooseheads of the “Q”
      An absolute gentleman and delight to be around!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Glad to hear that he’s as good a guy off the ice as I’ve imagined.

        I remember a time when we were kind of happy to have him on our team, but fresh off the glow from the dynasty team of 76-79, and kind of spoiled, we weren’t fully satisfied, and compared him unfavourably to Peter Mahovlich or Jean Béliveau or Mario Lemieux.

        How things change. How happy would we be if he was on our roster now, suddenly.

  51. Luke says:

    Batman…

    Pretty spry for a 75 year old!

  52. Max_a_million says:

    Hmmm … I think the sky is officially fallen, meme central.

    Lars Eller is easily infuriated and insulted by this crazy lowball figure. When they settle on 2.5 million he will vent his anger by taking his skills to the Danish Budaleague and make $60,000 per year.
    While Simultaneously the Canadiens mortified by the 2.5 million figure will walk away from Lars Eller to cash in on half off sales of Larry merchandise at the Canadiens gift shops.
    The Canadiens will never be the same. This is Chris Chelios, Patrick Roy, Ryan McDonough 4.0 territory.

  53. Habilis says:

    I think Eller will end up in arbitration. Habs will take a one year deal and he’ll be an RFA again next year. Done and done.

    P.K. though… I’m not worried yet, I know that negotiations are always driven by deadlines. But at the same time, I do wonder what MB is thinking right now. Does he think P.K. will come down on dollars to gain term? And what about Geoff Molson? At what point does Molson walk into Bergevin’s office and tell him to get it done NOW?

    Probably on July 31st. Le sigh.

  54. Arnou Ruelle says:

    If Eller and the Habs could meet somewhere in the middle, I would see a bridge contract of 2-3 years, between $2.5 to 2.75 million a year. MB is going to have tough decisions come next season (2015-2016) since this is another hardball negotiation like what happened to Andrei Markov.

    • Arnou Ruelle says:

      Just to add up:

      PK’s contract negotiations could factor on Bergevin’s thought process for the future. Most likely, Subban may get the full 8 yr., $64 million contract.

      • Habilis says:

        P.K. will be getting more than that. Word on the street (twitter) is that he’s asked for 10M per.

        He won’t get that, but don’t be shocked if he gets 9+. I think we should all be ecstatic if MB gets him for anything under 9 on a long term deal.

        • Arnou Ruelle says:

          Even if he gets 9+ million/yr, what does PK thinks he is? A power forward?

          Johnny Toews and PKane got $10 million+/yr contract deals b/c they earned it. For 2 marquee players who made their team win 2 Stanley Cup,s how could a GM not afford to have those guys unpay them for what they achieved?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Arnou
      Eller can become a UFA in 2 summers (2016)
      In reality, there is no more “Bridge.”

      Eller ‘may’ have 3 choices presented to him :
      – sign 1 year, and go through the RFA process again next summer
      – agree to 2 years, then have the potential to be a UFA summer 2016.
      – IF… the Habs have a 4 year deal on the table-sign it

      Eller could also sign a 1 year deal, then if he is having a good season, begin to negotiate a new long deal during the season that would take affect for the 2015-16 season. ( see Desharnais contract history)

      • Arnou Ruelle says:

        Maybe, If MB doesn’t see Eller as a player who would stay for long, I’d still stick with the idea that the contract may be a bridge. Also, what Eller needs to do is to step up his game. If he doesn’t, Bergevin should do a trade next Feb. or Mar. come deadline for a better upgrade regardless of how long the contract Eller signs.

  55. AK_PK_Usay says:

    A great portion of commentary agreed, 1 great playoff run deserved JM further coaching time in Mtl, Halak was idolized after 1 spectacular playoff run.

    WE ALL SAY the playoffs are the ONLY season that counts.

    SO YES, he had 1 hell of a playoffs, and should be paid for it.

    when all think alike, no one is thinking very much

  56. AK_PK_Usay says:

    I hope the next person whom says “players dont show enough heart/loyalty to the Crest on their jersey…” remembers this. It is a business, if two lock outs in last decade (10 or 12? i lost track) didn’t remind you enough

    when all think alike, no one is thinking very much

  57. Prop says:

    They’ll meet somewhere in the middle.

    ____________________
    DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

  58. Maritime Ronn says:

    No one should take the Habs offer seriously.
    It’s strictly business.
    Arbitration jurisprudence will apply regardless of GMMB’s position.

    With the recent RFA decision on Blues Vlad Sobotka (to retain rights even though he signed in the KHL) it’s starting to become more clear where an Eller contract may end up – that is, if the Habs don’t go long at 3-4 years.
    Eller is a potential UFA summer 2016.

    Sobotka Award: $2.725M:(61 games) 9 goals 33 points
    Eller:……………………………..:(77 games)12 goals 26 points

    If it ever actually got to Arbitration, of course Eller’s handlers would point to a good playoffs, while the Habs would counter those points were achieved against lesser 3rd pair or Bottom 6 competition.

    That’s starting to look like that magic number – give or take $200K, unless Eller wants to go long…and that may not be good for the Eller camp as GMMB wins long term deals (Max-Price…)

    • mrhabby says:

      this will be settled before they get in the room.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        No doubt it will

      • Forum Dog says:

        I tend to agree, though Eller would never accept a 1 year deal at $2.5M, which is likely close to what he would get through arbitration. If MB is unsure of how Eller fits with the Habs long-term, he may see arbitration as the best short-term solution since it gets him a contract he could never negotiate himself.

    • rhino514 says:

      To me it is a a somewhat alarming signal that Eller may be the likeliest centre to leave the team in one or two seasons, and that the habs prefer to keep Desharnais and Plekanec over him….especially if they choose a one-year arbitration award.

  59. on2ndthought says:

    Some summer hockey fun: 4 Habs (so far) have picked their ‘ultimate player’

    this is Mike Weaver:
    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=98821&navid=DL|MTL|home

    Habs mentioned by other Habs: Gally11 (heart), Gorges (heart)
    Murray (power)

    “a cannonading drive”

  60. Un Canadien errant says:

    Let’s keep in mind that even the Avs and Ryan O’Reilly, who are very much at odds, found a way to sign a two-year deal and avoid arbitration.

    Again, I have every confidence that the Canadiens will find a way to sign Lars and P.K. before they hit arbitration, just as they did with Andrei before July 1.

    • on2ndthought says:

      2 days

      “a cannonading drive”

    • habstrinifan says:

      You are having me rethink my position. I admit that as a fan of Eller I have called the HABS offer ‘ridiculous’. But more I read your post and others(like Maritime Ronn), I have to think that you guys are right. The 1.65 is strictly an irrelevant mandatory submission and there is a deal at hand (before arbitration).

      I say that because I see absolute no way that a smart GM like Bergevin enters the process with that figure, which should be absolutely discounted by the arbiter and needlessly inflammatory in any ongoing relationship between player and organization.

      So I am accepting your position on that basis.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

      • rhino514 says:

        We often think as Eller as an unproven kid who will never hit his ceiling but People forget that Eller has already had one good year -the lockout year. He also had a very good playoffs.
        The talent is there; he just has to be coached well and used properly. He´s not a a character-flawed guy; he actually has a very good attitude and is quite mature for his age. Those kids almost always come through in time. I hope the team doesn´t give up on him.

  61. shiram says:

    Penguins Name Jacques Martin Senior Advisor of Hockey Operations
    http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726986&cmpid=pit-twt-penguins

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    Great article on Josh Gorges by the Kelowna Daily Courier, linked above. Josh is almost being willfully blind to the fact that his cap hit/contract are responsible for him being traded, and the glut of lefties on the blue line. He keeps saying he doesn’t understand why he was traded. But maybe that’s the kind of obstinacy, of competitiveness that you need to make it to the NHL, especially as an undrafted free agent, like Josh did.

    He repeats that the toughest parts are not getting a chance to win a Cup as a Canadien, and having to ‘break up’ with the other players, who he calls his family. Josh certainly had the right mindset as a teammate and leader, as opposed to Thomas Vanek let’s say, who has a more practical, mercenary approach.

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • habstrinifan says:

      I find his inconsolability histrionical.
      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’m a little more accepting of his mood. The only way he could carve out a career was by selling out body and soul to his team, and sacrifice every day for the greater good. It’s hard psychologically to turn that off and on. If he did, we all, including himself, would be forced to conclude that it was all an act. Which I don’t believe.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Some people thrive on being a ‘good guy’. And cannot understand why that is not the only ‘crown of convoy’ necessary for universal acceptance from and indispensability to every situation.

          It is an affliction which sometimes visits even SOB’s like myself.

          Then we usually have to ‘straighten up and fly right’ … and realize that LIFE goes ON…. without us!

          “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

          https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • shiram says:

      I really don’t think they would have bought him out though, I’m sure some other would have been willing to pick him up.

      But Gorges certainly was one of the good guys.

    • on2ndthought says:

      I think that even with no cap, and Molson’s class and deep pockets, we would have traded Gorges. He may be a perfect 5,6 D, but the press box is no place for his passion.

      “a cannonading drive”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Maybe. Making room for the development of Jarred and Nathan were also big reasons to move him. We might take a step back next season due to Josh’s departure, but as a team we’ll be better off in the long run by making way for the kids.

    • The Jackal says:

      Still sad to see Josh go, but with his cap hit and skill set, he was the odd one out. He’d be a perfect 3rd pairing guy at a much lower cap hit, and he is good leader and character guy, but the Habs D composition was not favourable for a guy like Josh. We didn’t have a guy to play him with on the 3rd pairing and that was not his role on the team any way. I just really hope that his departure is not a distraction for guys like Price and Gally, and that it didn’t tarnish any of the players’ view of the CH.

      ______________________
      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Ditto. I think the players can accept the move, even if they don’t ‘like it’, if the replacements Jarred and Nathan are solid players who are clearly better on the ice than Josh was.

        I’ve been through this before in rugby, where guys I’d been playing with in 1st Division would get bumped down to 2nd for some hotshot South African or Brit, or a kid who barely knew or understood the game. Nobody was really happy about it, except when the game started and the new guy was clearly, unquestionably a better player, and we had a much better team on the field, any controversy was quickly quelled. The other guys would play second division and hope for a chance to get back up on the 1st if an injury happened or some other situation, and life went on.

        There was a kid who quickly got the nickname ‘Psycho’ early on, and the coaches loved him and handed him the wing position right at the start of the season, even though he was frequently offside and fuzzy on the rules in practice. We were stumped. His first game though, we understood what the coaches saw, he was a snarling menace, tackling and running like crazy, and we were cheering him on and chanting “Psycho!” by the second half.

        If Jarred/Nathan are good guys, not prima-donna Golden Boys who get handed the position by virtue of their draft history, everything should work out.

  63. Forum Dog says:

    If Eller goes to arbitration, it’s almost guaranteed he’ll get something between $2-2.5M. I think both sides know that.

    Presumably Eller wants a longer-term deal, probably 2-3 years. Obviously he’d like $3+M/year, but surely he knows that ain’t happening. It’s a typical negotiation: Start at opposite ends and (ideally) find a happy middle ground.

    The wildcard is what MB wants out of this. Does he see Eller as a key part going forward? If so, he’s probably looking to sign him to a multi-year at the $2-2.5M/year range. The further this thing goes though, the more I’m thinking that MB may want to go the arbitration route, get him on a 1 year deal (that he can’t negotiate) and make Eller prove himself. I mean, who knows? Maybe after 1 more year, Galchenyuk is ready to step into a the centre spot and there are other young players coming up through. On the flip side, if Eller ends up having a great year, MTL continues to retain his rights and can resign him (at a higher dollar figure obviously), or deal him elsewhere.

    As other have noted, Eller has been somewhat inconsistent to date. He has a lot going for him, but it is usually not wise to pay real dollars for uncertain potential. Which is why a 1 year contract through arbitration may be the safest course. If you go arbitration you risk poisoning the well, so they’ll have to be prepared to lose him if they go that way. Maybe not immediately, but after his RFA status is up.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Is Eller worth that much less than David Desharnais? Rationalize the 1.65 as arbitration ploy all we want.. it sends a message to the player. And that message coupled with the narrative of the player’s usage for the past two years stay with the player.

      I am disappointed in the 1.65 offer as a start…. even if it is the ‘greatest’ arbitration ploy.

      Another backdrop which we are ignoring is how other teams are signing their RFA’S.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

      • on2ndthought says:

        DD is underestimated here. Eller may have more potential, but I doubt it. Any team needing a top six center picks DD over Eller.

        “a cannonading drive”

        • Forum Dog says:

          Maybe, but don’t underestimate Eller either. He was a good point producer as a 19 year old in the SEL, he scored at nearly a PPG clip as a 20 year old in the AHL, and he has shown serious flashes in the NHL to date, despite inconsistency of both the youthful and organizational variety.

          DD dominated at the AHL level, but not until he had honed his game in the Q and at the ECHL. And he has had guaranteed PP time and an elite LW to work with during his NHL career.

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          Hahaha, good one. 29 teams needing a 1st line center would look elsewhere. 29 teams needing a 2nd line centre would take Eller.

          • on2ndthought says:

            typical of the attitude here. Both players showed up in the playoffs last year. As much as Plex and Gio get (deserved) credit for their defensive prowess, DD was especially impressive in that regard against the BBB.

            F-dog: my glasses are a little tricolored , I love all the Habs. 2 or 3 posts down I describe why I like Lars.

            “a cannonading drive”

      • Forum Dog says:

        Philly, NYR and Tampa all seem to view their key RFAs (Schenn, Kreider and Killorn) as part of their long-term future. I am not sure it is the same with MTL and Eller.

        It is interesting that they have been willing to invest so much in Desharnais, but not as much in Eller. Some of that may simply be related to contract status (extension vs. RFA contracts), but you would think that Eller warrants some love from management. As you point out, he is not worth much less than Desharnais, and can do a lot of things wee Davey can’t.

  64. Un Canadien errant says:

    I just posted an article and link to an RDS report on Tim Bozon that the gremlins are flagging for moderation. You can follow the link below if you’re interested.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2014/07/canadiens-tim-bozon-fighting-to-come.html

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

  65. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I like Eller but if he thinks he deserves the kind of money a 30 goal scorer gets, he needs to score about 18 more times. The guy has to step up. Potential is fine but eventually we need kinetics.

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  66. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Standard Operating Procedure, no? Team lowballs, agent….highballs(??), and the arbitrator meets somewhere in the middle.

    Nothing really to fret over, I reckon.

  67. on2ndthought says:

    From previous thread.
    What I like about Lars:
    1. Yes he has size. Not just size but growing stronger size.
    2. That size carries over to the playoffs. When it matters (I know, it always matters), Lars doubles his ppg. There is a reason Grubby Gryba targeted Eller, he was our best forward at the end of the year and heading into the playoffs.
    3. He competes every shift. A lot is made of his lack of top skill offense or top-line hockey sense. It doesn’t matter. He is there consistently battling on all fronts. He may end up a third or fourth line center, but I doubt it. He still has two years to develop and I think he will become a more consistent offensive threat. Even without that happening I want him a Hab for the next 4 or 5 years.
    4. He came back from that Gryba hit. Perhaps he is now even a bit more truculent than before. I know hockey players are tough (and we expect no less) but Hab fans have been blessed with seeing MaxPax and Lars both return from horrifying injury. Perhaps the Markov effect is there somehow, but as a human being, watching Eller play fearlessly is a special treat
    5. He is fast. Speed is difficult to catch up on, and maybe Lars’s biggest adjustment will come when he is able to deal with his own speed on the ice. (I feel that the Habs have an advantage over all but a handful of teams in the speed department, it is not something I want to see relinquished).

    So yeah, I’m concerned about the arbitration procedure. I would prefer a settlement today or tomorrow so that the nasty business side is not allowed to taint player/club relations.

    “a cannonading drive”

  68. habstrinifan says:

    Well so much for some of the posts calling out the frettie nellies like myself. Not so much that it was fretting but a more realistic read of the relationship dynamics between the players and the team. It doesn’t mean one is wrong or one is greedy.

    I do think Eller’s ask is reasonable and indicates and means that a 2.75 to 3mill figure would have gotten it done.
    I think HABS starting offer (if it is indeed that) is ridiculous. And that is supported by the fact that not one HIO poster had forecasted that low a figure.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • Cal says:

      Qualified offers are usually 10% above the previous season’s salary.
      It means the Habs are interested in signing the player, but not at any price.

  69. Cal says:

    Ahh, Fretting Central. Thanks, Stu! :lol:

  70. FanSince1969 says:

    Yes, 1.6 is low, but could be that the 10% increase proposed is the qualifying offer. Having said that, are his stats from regular season worth doubling salary? I expect 3 years x 2 – 2.5

    • 123456 says:

      Correct – the Habs are extremely likely to offer more than the 10% required for RFA. I don’t like arbitration – stats show the players will not be around long term so if the Habs want him they need to get it done before hearing.

      • on2ndthought says:

        can you find those stats? I’ve been looking to no avail.

        “a cannonading drive”

        • 123456 says:

          NO. I saw it linked here I thought about this time last year. What is tough when looking at arbitration is not having a real control group. For example – if the Habs lock up PK for 10 years on a monster deal and Eller goes to arbitration and then leaves is PK really the correct control group? And – if Eller leaves what percentage of players that avoided arbitration while agreeing to a 1 or 2 year deal left after their contract was up? Certainly important is the reason why a player goes to arbitration – is the team or the player being more unrealistic. There are so many variables that any analysis will have flaws.

          Maybe arbitration is a mutually agreeable solution for some so both parties are supporting the process – we tend to think of arbitration having a negative connotation and in some cases it may not be.

          For my favorite team I’d prefer a contract get worked out – and in Eller’s case I think he is a solid player but certainly not great (yet).

      • B says:

        Eller’s QO did not require a raise, only players with a previous salary less than $1M require a raise in their QO.

        –Go Habs Go!–

  71. Maksimir says:

    I’m really shocked… I can only guess MB believes Eller does not have what it takes to become a core member of the team.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      You shouldn’t be shocked and this has nothing to with Eller not being a “core member of the team”. This, as they say, is just business.

  72. ooder says:

    1.65???? talk about a low balling a player


Leave a Comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.