Habs’ division rivals not quiet

SteveOTT

Despite the news that Jaromir Jagr wanted to play for the Habs but got no interest, Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin has earned praise for his moves in the last couple of weeks.

Meanwhile, some of the Habs’ Northeast Division rivals were also pretty active as the first week of free agency wound down. Here’s a rundown of what the other Northeast clubs have done.

Buffalo – With a couple of acquisitions, the Sabres have matched the Canadiens in the grit department. Still smarting from Milan Lucic’s freight-training of Ryan Miller early last season, they first traded centre Derek Roy to Dallas for agitator Steve Ott (pictured above), generally regarded as the best trash-talker/shift disturber in the NHL, someone who can throw opponents off their game. He and P.K. Subban should have some noteworthy encounters next season. Ott may not have Roy’s offensive upside, but he’s a hard worker, can kill penalties and take faceoffs plus he can play any forward position.

Along with Ott came Adam Pardy, a depth defenceman who has good size at 6-foot-4, isn’t much on speed or skill, but keeps things basic on the back end.

The Sabres then signed UFA defenceman/left John Scott. It’s less important which position Scott plays than what he does when he plays, which is to fight. At 6-foot-8, 270 pounds, he’s got Zdeno Chara size. He also has little of Chara’s skating ability, defensive acumen or puck skills. As a Ranger last year, Scott played very sparingly, not able to regularly find his way into John Tortorella’s lineup. He had one assist and was a minus-1, averaging 6:42 in the 35 games he played. He also racked up 53 PiMs. He has one goal and five assists and 236 penalty minutes in five NHL seasons. It will be interesting to see if Lindy Ruff finds more use for Scott than Tortorella did.

Besides Roy, who was openly critical of the Sabres organization, Buffalo let Brad Boyes and his declining offensive production walk away as a free agent. He signed with the Islanders. If the Sabres are going for team toughness — and it looks like they are — Boyes no longer fit in. The Sabres probably aren’t done adding pieces. They’ll need some scoring punch and lack a top centre. But they won’t be pushed around any longer.

Senators — Ottawa lost Erik Karlsson’s partner when Filip Kuba, who’s 35, inked a two-year $8 million UFA deal with Florida. Bryan Murray wasn’t going to pay that. In Kuba’s slot, the Sens shipped Nick Foligno to Columbus for Ottawa homeboy Marc Methot, a very good veteran defensive defenceman — which they need — whose biggest problem has been staying healthy.

Taking Foligno’s spot, they signed ex-Hab Guillaume Latendresse, who finally looked like the NHLer the Habs projected for him until his recent run of injuries, especially concussion-related. If they can stay healthy and perform at their best — no guarantees of that — they’ll be important additions.

Another UFA defector from the Sens, Matt Carkner, signed with the Islanders, but Murray picked up Mike Lundin, who played well for the Lightning in their 2011 playoff run. More mobile, well-rounded and with a better hockey IQ than Carkner, Lundin also has had injury issues.

Murray says he’s done in the free agent market for this summer.

While the Sens expressed interest in the Rick Nash hunt, the Columbus winger let it be known he didn’t want to be traded there, which his NTC allows. Habs Nation certainly was happy to learn of that. But Bruce Garrioch of The Ottawa Sun believes the Senators could be in the hunt for Bobby Ryan. Maybe, maybe not.

As for Daniel Alfredsson, while the Sens believe he’ll be coming back for one more year, he hasn’t confirmed that so no one is sure just now whether he will. That seems to include Alfredsson himself.

Maple Leafs — Trading Luke Schenn for James van Riemsdyk prior to the draft gave the Leafs some much-needed scoring potential, although JVR did not enjoy the breakout year for the Flyers last season that was predicted for him following his excellent play in the 2011 playoffs. Injuries played a role in that, but so did his own inconsistency.

The Leafs cut ties with Colby Armstrong, much to Bergevin’s delight, and Joey Crabb, who signed with Washington. They did pick up a good veteran defensive centre and penalty killer in Jay McClement, a UFA who played for the Avalanche and the Blues before that. Coach Randy Carlyle reportedly told his bosses he would like McClement on his team.

But Toronto’s biggest need remains in goal and while Roberto Luongo is the name most often connected with the Leafs, there doesn’t seem to be a match between what the Canucks want and what the Leafs have to offer, not to mention the fact that Luongo prefers returning to Florida and his NTC puts him in the driver’s seat.

The Leafs could start the season with James Reimer and Ben Scrivens in goal.

Bruins — One of the quieter teams so far this summer, the B’s seem content that with most of their Cup-winning team from 2011 returning, they’re in no rush to make any big moves. They dealt Benoit Pouliot to Tampa Bay for Michel Ouellet and a fifth round pick at the draft. Then they didn’t give Ouellet a qualifying offer, essentially cutting him lose. Jordan Caron is slated to replace Pouliot.

They also re-signed their three key depth forwards who were headed to free agency (Gregory Campbell, Dan Paille and Chris Kelly), but have a bigger hole to fill with Tim Thomas apparently sitting out the season. Tuukka Rask has been the Number 1 goalie in Boston before (2009-10), but the B’s still need a backup. There’s some thought they might move Thomas’s $5 million contract, clearing cap space and giving that sum to a team that needs to get to the salary cap floor as the season draws near.

They also have to address their need for depth on defence, where they lost Joe Corvo and Greg Zannon as UFAs this week. GM Peter Chiarelli has referenced the “secondary market” in free agency and trades as the places he’d focus on filling those holes. With most of the big names signed, that secondary market seems ready to open.

They do have 19-year-old Doug Hamilton, the blue chip blue line prospect, but it’s uncertain if he’s ready to make the jump from junior, where he was the CHL Defenceman of the Year or needs some more time.

In May, the B’s traded with Washington for Ray Bourque’s son, Chris, 26, a small, fast winger who has a played a few NHL games, forechecks well but isn’t much like his dad in most other respects. The B’s hierarchy said he may get a look or two in the NHL during the season, although for the moment he’s probably ticketed for Providence.

The relative lack of action by Chiarelli has some B’s watchers impatient, perhaps forgetting that Boston has the least available cap space of any team in the NHL. “When your team wins the Stanley Cup, you also receive a free pass for twelve months of bragging rights,” writes Wayne Whittaker of The Hockey Writers. “Once those twelve months expire, unless you’re once again holding a 35 pound trophy over your head, it’s time to move on.”

616 Comments

  1. frontenac1 says:

    A Million bucks for Diaz? And he said no? Man,Diaz,Weber,Gomez,Kaberle…That’s it ,switching to Vodka.Adios Amigos!

  2. Yeats says:

    I just signed for a boatload of scratch with the Montreal Canadiens, but only my hair dresser will ever know!

  3. HabFab says:

    RE the posters arguing Diaz, he got qualified which on a $900,000 salary would be a 10% raise. So he was offered just under a million and wants more.

  4. frontenac1 says:

    Als touchdown by a local kid out of Laval! Nice!

  5. Ian Cobb says:

    Eller signs for 2 years. How many bucks.?

  6. boing007 says:

    The game clock for the Alouettes vs Bombers on TSN was showing hundredths of a second a couple of times: 54.01, 49.05. Generous of them.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  7. Yeats says:

    Someone, somewhere, drop a freakin’ puck! Neither the Yanks nor R.A. Dickey are doin’ it for me (in an athletic sense or any other for that matter)!

    OK, my new French pooch – a Great Pyrenees – can dribble a soccer ball – and quite well too, but her stick handling kinda’ sucks.

    I am looking forward to this season. The management seems to have gotten their shit together.

    It’s been way too long: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDd6-ZJPqLM

    My brother and I scalped tickets in ’93 and it would be an honor to overpay for the next one again!!!

  8. sreuel says:

    Lars 2 year deal so no more trades only enough money to sign Suban. Take Gomez Money and get someone

  9. frontenac1 says:

    Oh yeah boing, Les Gentilles Alouettes!Best in the League amigo.

    • boing007 says:

      Alouette, jolie Alouette, Alouette je te plumerai … beep!

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  10. iHeart Les Habitants says:

    What’s better for Ellers development:

    1) playing 3rd line minutes as a centre; or
    2) playing quality minutes in the top six as a winger?

    I think we can all agree that there currently is no room for Eller as a center in the top six.

    • Bill says:

      3rd-line minutes as a centre, I’d say. He’s a centre. And that way Gomez doesn’t play, which also helps the team.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • piper says:

      I think they should make room by trading either TP or DD for a top six winger. probably have to add prospect and pick.

    • neumann103 says:

      Eller is a Center. He seems to have difficulty scoping his game down to play the wing. It is a little odd. Playing wing is easier so it is not like he is challenged by the difficulty, but he cannot get his mindset on the Wing.

      I would however play Eller on the Wing on the 2nd unit PP replacing Bourque or whoever on a line with Plekanec and Gionta.

      Play Eller:
      3rd line Center
      Plus 2nd Unit PK
      Plus 2nd Unit PP (on Plekanec’s wing)

      “Et le but!”

    • jo_maka says:

      What’s better is for him to play at centre, given some finishers for a change, given less d-zone face-offs (I believe he had the most vs TOI last season amongst all C, even Pleks) and more o-zone face-offs, given PP time, learn to be selfish when crashing the net.

      And we’re good money !!!
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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      There’s a better chance the Canadiens will roll four lines this season, and the icetime will be more evenly distributed than last year, when the coaches ended up relying and David Desharnais’ line, Tomas’ line, and then praying for a TV timeout. As such, Lars would get tons of minutes and responsibility as a 3rd line center.

  11. commandant says:

    Diaz probably gets 1.2-1.5 if it even gets as far as arbitration.

    Chances are, it won’t as most of these settle before that stage.

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    • piper says:

      MB will walk away from that I hope.

      • commandant says:

        Why? on a 70 million dollar cap its a very fair deal.

        I dont understand the hate for diaz, solid positionally and decent puck mover

        Good teams have puck moving D.

        Yes we have 1 too many but I’d trade Weber who is not even close to as good defensively far before I’d move Diaz.

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        • piper says:

          I’m just not a fan of either of them. rather see St. Denis get the spot.

        • ed lopaz says:

          what is weber worth on the trade market these days?

          gauthier and martin sent weber to the mathiew dandenault school of “we don’t know if your an under developed d-man or a crap 4th line winger.”

          great school that is!

          take a 21 year old d-man who has already represented his country internationally, and throw him to the wolves as a 4th line forward.

          oh ya – almost forgot – we also lost Mark Streit because of that great strategy.

          • boing007 says:

            Burn down that school.
            Weber on the second PP unit. Good point shot.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • neumann103 says:

          Both Weber and Diaz are undervalued here.

          At least one of those guys is going to end up on team that can pair them appropriately, playing 14 minutes 5 on 5 and putting up points on the PP and people will wonder why we keep giving up on guys for nothing.

          “Et le but!”

      • showey47 says:

        Why walk away and let an asset get away for nothing. As commandant said,on such a big salary cap his salary is very cap friendly.

  12. Rozz says:

    So before you read this keep in mind I’m not advocating for or against what I’m talking about below. just a simple example of hearing something and had a few thoughts about it and wanted to know what others think.

    I originally didn’t believe that Plecks would or could be traded … but then watching That’s Hockey and hearing Dreger state that what Anaheim is looking for to trade Bobby Ryan is a second line centre + +, I get the feeling that we just might see a trade actually happen.. or at least knowing what they want a trade isn’t out of the realm of possibility

    Plecks is one of the absolute best second line centres out there and it wouldn’t shock me to find out the ducks want him. Bobby Ryan looked good and worked really well with Max Pacs at the worlds.. so I could see a trade for him coming together

    my best guess would be that the deal would look like:

    Plecks, one of the mobile D’s .. and given the latest news about Diaz I could see it being him, a higher prospect.. probably the likes of either Gallagher or Kristo. I could see them being more interested in Kristo for certain reasons but at the same time due to the Schultz thing I could see them Wanting Gallagher instead. But that whole situation was due to Schultz wanting to play in Canada.. kristo is american, and I think would like to play in Anaheim just fine .. its nice there lol

    so my guess is Plecks, Diaz, Kristo for Ryan, if they were trying to get him

    2 questions for everyone…

    1. who do you see going in a deal along with Plecks if They wanted to go after Ryan?
    2. Do you do it?

    “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

    Mark Twain.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Everything I have read (off this site) leads me to believe that Montreal isn’t even in the running for Ryan.

      All this trade talk is a total waste of time (except for MB’s ratings).

      All the big contenders are fighting it out for Nash, Doan (if truly available) and Ryan.

      • Rozz says:

        Fair enough.. but they are asking for a second line centre + +.. Montreal most definitely has the pieces and could make a deal.. and therefore I think could be in the running. its only a matter if MB would be interested .. but that’s not what I was really asking. I asked who other than plecks would make up the package.. and would you do it

        “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

        Mark Twain.

        • 24 Cups says:

          As I’ve stated before, any deal would have to include Pleks and one of Leblanc, Tinordi or Beaulieu.

          Pleks and some spare parts isn’t going to cut it.

          • HabFab says:

            When you read the article, Montreal is not in the running. Montreal only inquired what Anaheim was looking for.

          • piper says:

            Pleks and Leblanc + pick may do it but I’d hang on to Tinordi and Beaulieu.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I guess I should mention that yesterday I posted the same deal.

      Except I threw 1 of our 2013 2nd rounders into the deal. (we have 3 of those presently)

      Most posters were not impressed.

      Especially 24 Cups, who is not easy to impress with trade rumours.

      Its a “tough crowd”, as Rodney Dangerfield was known to complain,

      “a tough crowd, I tell ya”

      • Rozz says:

        oh did you? sorry to repost that then.. i was just watching “thats hockey” and got thinking lol

        “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

        Mark Twain.

  13. frontenac1 says:

    Ah Crap! Calvillo goes off favouring his shoulder.Backup comes in and throws an interception.17-10 Als

  14. ed lopaz says:

    Hey guys below!!

    Instead of worrying how you’re going to fit Gomez into the lineup, I think maybe we should worry about how we are developing a 22 year old, 6’2 215 lbs centreman who scored 17 goals last season and has the potential to become a great asset for this team.

    Eller is not a winger.

    That experiment was tried these past 2 seasons and failed.

    • Timo says:

      Hopefully he is a development material. Personally I am not holding my breath, but no harm in giving him another try.

      • ed lopaz says:

        Timo, the young man is big, he skates very well, his hands are considered his strongest asset, and he has the heart of a lion.

        If Eller played for another team, many of us would be posting…

        “wouldn’t it be great if we had a center like Eller in our system?”

    • savethepuck says:

      I’m a big fan of Lars. I compare him to Plex, but thankfully bigger. When comparing them, look at Plex’s stats when he was the same age.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It’s a tough choice. I think Eller has the skill and talent to become a solid number two guy. He might miss his window though because he’s not going to get past Desharnais and Plekanec unless there’s an injury.

      Maybe they fit him in on the wing, because Desharnais can’t play there, obviously.

      It’s a bit of a dilemma.

      Plus Galchenyuk will most likely not play this year and start in 2013/14. Then it’s real decision time.

    • Bill says:

      Agreed and agreed.

      It’s funny how Leaf fans are so excited about getting JVR, while a lot of Habs fans regard Eller as an afterthought.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  15. jols101 says:

    CapGeek is taking it’s time updating this one. I’m guessing 1.75 or 2 million a year…

  16. ProHabs says:

    Has Cunneyworth and Ladoucer landed on their feet anywhere. If not, I think they should both be invited to the Summit this year to share their stories of the gong show last year.

  17. frontenac1 says:

    What? Diaz was offered $850k and he turned it down? Now I really don’t like the guy.

    • ProHabs says:

      After Diaz saw that Kuba had signed for 48 million over 2 years, he figured he was worth more than 850K.

    • savethepuck says:

      He made 900 K last year and was offered a qualifying offer so I’m pretty sure he was offered more than 850

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  18. naweed235 says:

    any word on the monetary value of Eller’s contract? you know, since it’s coming outta my pockets and all.

  19. aj says:

    Good Signing by the Canadiens to keep Eller. Now, we have Subban and Diaz left. Probably by next week, Subban will have a new contract and so will Diaz. Maybe a trade might happen. Who knows?

  20. iHeart Les Habitants says:

    I’ve been dreaming up line combos and I need to know what you folks think. I don’t expect a good reaction mainly because I have Eller being used on the wing. So without going into much explanation, here are the lines:

    Cole – Pleks – Gio
    Patches – DD – Eller
    Bourque – Gomez – Armstrong
    Prust – White – Moen

    I have to say that, despite Gomez, the third line looks pretty good. I call it the bounce back line.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Not a bad combo at all. I’ve accepted Gomez is going to get a shot. If Eller could get going on the wing it would be huge for his future with the team and the team itself.

    • naweed235 says:

      you know what man? I think those combos might actually work. Heck it’s the only combos with Gomez in it that actually makes sense…

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        As much as I want Gomez off the team…OK nevermind. The guy is a loafer, who’s got $30 million in the bank and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anything.

        If he’s out partying all summer and comes back and plays like a pile of garbage, I hope the fans boo his ass of the ice and he’s banished to Hamilton.

        But before slamming the door in his face, I’ll give him until Nov 1st to show something.

    • Bill says:

      I don’t think Cole looks good on LW. It sucked in Edmonton. He had a career year last year on RW, his natural position.

      Eller has been used on LW but not RW. I don’t see that working either. He’s a playmaker with some size and he’s just very much a natural centre.

      And I wouldn’t break up the line of DD, Cole, and Pacioretty, because it’s just about the only line that has worked for the Habs since the days of Muller, Damphousse, and Bellows.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • JUST ME says:

      It`s the most realistic scenario that i have seen here since you include Gomez wich is usualy ignored as if it was a done deal that he would not be in the lineup.

      The thing is though that your lines would be neet to try on a second option. Our actual line number one is the best we`ve had for a long while so why fix it ?

  21. frontenac1 says:

    14-0 Als. Calvillo throwing heat!

  22. Bill says:

    With exactly one year of NHL experience, what does Raphael Diaz hope to accomplish by going to arbitration? He was on pace for a 22 point season. The qualifying offer is something like $850000. What’s the most he could hope to get??

    Can’t blame Bergevin for not wanting to spend more than that on Diaz.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • ed lopaz says:

      Bill, let me try and guess what Diaz is thinking.

      1) I’m 26 and I will be 27 in January

      2) In Swiss league I was a star, 39 points in 45 games including 12 goals, considered the top d-man of my league by some

      3) I was invited to the NHL ALL Star game last season

      4) I am good enough to play a regular shift 5 on 5 and be a 2nd line power play d-man

      i.e Diaz thinks of himself as an established player, not a 2nd year player

      I think Diaz will be traded. I told Chris this earlier.

      We need a much bigger and nastier presence back there, and no one will want Weber.

      • Bill says:

        All that is true – didn’t he score 22 goals one year? – and that probably is what he’s thinking. But his agent should be telling him that as an RFA with one year of NHL experience, he hasn’t got a ton of leverage.

        I think he’d be better off taking the offer, having a decent season wherever he plays, and then cashing in next summer.

        Is he going after the two million that Emelin got on his second contract?

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • ed lopaz says:

          I think he’s making a statement – I’m a player.

          Don’t forget he was a Gauthier “find”, and he could be thinking that the current GM is not on the same page.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Diaz is a simple decision. He’s a dime a dozen, smallish defenseman with a little bit of offensive upside. Shaky in his own end. When the team is already carrying a couple other guys like him (Weber and Kaberle) and two other guys like Subban and Markov who provide plenty of offense, he can take what he gets or take a hike.

      Not to mention all the young defenseman right behind him.

      • savethepuck says:

        I still think he’s an asset. It would be good for him to be under contract so he could be traded easier.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

  23. jo_maka says:

    We locked the great Dane !!!

    Now if the mighty warrior Gionta might be packaged with a Kristo and a pick for an Evander Kane, we’re rolling.

    Love Gio, biggest heart – body ratio in the NHL. The only real powerful leader we had, until we got Cole that is. You have to give to get, so I don’t think it’s too far-fetched.

    Pacioretty – Galchenyuk – Cole
    Kane – Eller – Collberg

    Not too shabby in 2 yrs as a legit top 6, eh ?
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  24. 24 Cups says:

    The Tampa Bay Lightning signed goaltender Anders Lindback to a two-year contract with $3.6 million today.

    Lindback played in 16 games this past season with the Predators, compiling a record of 5-8-0 to go along with a 2.42 goals against average and a .912 save percentage. The 24-year-old goaltender has appeared in 38 career NHL games, all with Nashville, registering a 16-13-2 record, with a 2.53 goals against average and a .914 save percentage.

  25. frontenac1 says:

    Hey punkster!How come you”re not at the Als game tonight? I had a great time up there last weekend but would have loved to be there tonight vs the Bombers! Looks like those cheerleaders are wearing minimal equipment.Go Als Go!!

  26. JohnBellyful says:

    Maybe I missed the announcement but I think one subject that’s been sadly neglected is which ex-coach will replace Crawford on the TSN panel (I’ll let the bilingual chaps worry about finding a replacement for Therrien on L’antichambre):

    Ron Wilson – nah, unless you thought Tortorella was a hoot
    Paul Maurice – would have been an excellent choice — he’s articulate, level-headed, and already has experience in front of the camera; unfortunately, he was named head coach of Metallurg Magnitogorsk of the Kontinental Hockey League last month
    Randy Cunneyworth – who?
    Brent Sutter – his giggling would be too disruptive
    Tom Renney – not a good fit; he’s used to working with offensive younger people
    Jacques Martin – stop it, you’re killing me!!!

    I don’t know, it looks like TSN will have to do without an ex-coach to offer informed commentary next season. Well, at least for the first month. Until “nice guy” Todd Richards gets canned.

  27. RGM says:

    Very happy about the Eller signing.

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  28. Hali_Hab says:

    Eller locked up for 2 years

  29. Adidess says:

    Eller signed – 2 yrs

  30. 69HABS says:

    Ryder would be a welcomed site on the Habs!

  31. myron.selby says:

    Probably not a popular sentiment around here, but I’d love to see Kostitsyn back. I think he could be signed for 1 year for less than he made last year. I’d love to see what he could do under the new regime.

    Sure AK was streaky but part of that wasn’t his fault. At the start of the 10/11 season he was the top point getter for the first dozen games on Plekanec’s wing. So JM moved him onto the Gomez line to try to kick-start the Gomer – result instant cold streak. Of course, AK was only the first winger to suffer from the Gomez effect that season. Every other winger that got put there stopped producing as well.

    Last year, AK had a couple of strings where he played with Eller and they showed some real chemistry. So, obviously JM had to separate them (he seemed to have a real problem with doing anything that might allow either of these players to succeed).

    The other thing AK never got credit for was his forechecking. He really rocks people when he hits them – probably the hardest hitter on the team not named Subban or Emelin.

    I think with a new culture he might really get it together. And if not, then all you’ve wasted is a 1 year moderate cap hit. If he carried on as previously he was still good for 20-25 goals. But man if he ever puts it together …

    • SmartDog says:

      I like AK46 too, always have, so have thought about this also.

      But there are two issues with bringing him back.
      1. He had some off-ice issues here, and again in Atlanta. Not that alone that should write someone off (Habs have made this mistake before – cough-Chelios-cough), but it’s an issue you may not want in your locker room.
      2. If you bring him back, either he or Bourque drops to the 3rd line. Either one could end up there but these guys aren’t grinders, they are top 6 guys. They need to play where they SHOULD be – and of course lose those spots if they suck – but they need that chance.

      So given that we have Bourque, even if he’s an uncertainty, he’s the guy who IS on the team now. AK… he’s not a Hab.

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    • John Q Public says:

      I second the motion. All in favor say I : I.
      With regards to the “chien intelligent” Bourque really blows and there’s no partying to bring him down.
      Then’s there is the way bodies keep getting injured and the more we have the better top 6 or top 9 don’t matter.

    • habstrinifan says:

      “If he carried on as previously he was still good for 20-25 goals. But man if he ever puts it together ” …

      Go to TSN and look up AK’s stats. He only scored in that range in 2007-2009 and then once more. You so casually imply that even with his inconsistency he has been a regular 20-25 goal man and if he ‘puts it all together” … it would rain goals.

      This is the problem that we have with looking at some of our ‘past’ players. We really dont sit down and look at their stats.

      Leave AK where he is… he is not gonna get better.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        “Go to TSN and look up AK’s stats. He only scored in that range in 2007-2009 and then once more.”

        That’s 4 out of the 5 full seasons he’s played.

        (Last season he had 18 between MTL and NSH)

    • 24 Cups says:

      AK46 has burned too many bridges and wasted too many opportunities.

      Screwing over Nashville in the playoffs was the final straw.

    • neumann103 says:

      It is not going to happen but given how vilified the guy is he probably would be a bargain.

      After Pacioretty/Desharnais I thought the best pure “chemistry” among forwards was Eller/Kostitsyn. I would have liked to see that develop.

      Now since everyone will now chip in with the “he was out to 5AM with strippers the night before a playoff game, all Russians have no character” mantra I humbly present, for your enjoyment a repost from the previous page….

      This was debunked. All the talk in the days immediately after the suspension repeated it
      5 AM,
      Drunk,
      Strippers,
      the works.

      All. Not. True

      After the dust settled and the Preds were out and people had their 5 minutes of feeling superior to these bad charactered Russians, some real journalists established that they were 45 minutes to an hour late.

      See Michael Farber’s piece from May 14
      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1198348/

      interestingly this comports with Radulov’s initial statements. While he declined to get into too much detail (something about it being between him and the team, oh the bad character!) he was quoted

      http://blogs.tennessean.com/predators/2012/05/01/comments-from-suter-weber-rinne-radulov/

      On the decision for him to sit out Game Three…

      “It’s between me and David Poile. I’m going to get out there for our whole team, for all of the guys, and support and do what I can do for myself. Hopefully, those guys can get out there and win – get Game Three. That whole situation – I don’t really want to get into it. I don’t think it’s good [to get into it]. Hopefully, everything is going to go well for our team and we’ll battle through it.”

      On whether he’s talked to the team…

      “I did. It’s been a whole situation about it. It was something that was wrong, but something that it wasn’t really the way it was. Again I don’t want to get into it and try to prove anything. It was something that I didn’t do right, but, like I said before, something wasn’t right. They brought it up – not on our team, the people. I don’t want to talk about those people who did that – let it be on their side. It is just the way it is.”

      On whether he knew he was breaking a team rule…

      “Yeah. I didn’t come back that late – the same. But like I said before, I don’t want to talk about it. They did what they have to do. I’m good with that. I’m disappointed and understand what is my mistake. I really hope that everything is going to work out for our team better and if I get a chance to play again, maybe in the future, I’ll do what it will take to help the team to win and basically that is it.”

      I don’t know what the #&$& you all want from these guys. They came back an hour late. They owned up to it. They took the team’s decision. Move on.

      “Et le but!”

      • John Q Public says:

        Bargain is right. Not to mention he has also declared he would take discount to stay here (before traded). Make cheap offer see what happens. I think he is smarter than Radulov and does not want to play in KHL. He can also really hit people too!!!

    • Rozz says:

      I’d be ok to see him back here.. I have always felt that he didn’t get a fair shake while under the last regime

      “When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.”

      Mark Twain.

  32. crazyhabsfan says:

    For all you guys that wish MB woulda picked up Zonokpa are crazy.. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/97534
    Prust has 3 decisions in all 3 fights! That, and Prust also averages more than 4 minutes more/game.
    I just creeped him on YouTube and HockeyFighhts… going to be FUN to watch next year!!

  33. frontenac1 says:

    How about a 20 goal scoring winger and 15min per game enforcer?

  34. Timo says:

    Diaz and Habs are headed for arbitration?! NOW I am really pissed at MB.

  35. frontenac1 says:

    Ah Jeeze Piper! You are tempting me big time!I just told Commandant,whom I very much respect,that I would move on from Homeboy Ersk**#! Think tennis frontenac..think Federer…think tennis…..

  36. punkster says:

    Oh crap, it’s Konopka Redux Day (KRD™) on HI/O.

    Here’s my poll for the day:
    Be honest with yourself and with us as to which would you rather have?
    a) an additional 25+ goal scoring winger for Pleks and Gionta
    b) a 3 minute TOI per game enforcer

    Those are the only choices you have in this poll, no qualifications, no ifs, ands or buts. Where do you stand?

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  37. ds says:

    Unless we get some offensive help our team isn’t looking too good.

    There will be some dropoff in the dd-cole-pac line as theyll be given more attention from other teams.

    Gionta is coming off another injury, T. Plex has no regular linemates, Bourque is a 3rd liner.

    If this team is going to make some noise they’ll need Gomez to find his game from his first season in MTL and put up at least 50 pts, and Markov has to find his game & stay healthy, otherwise I see us losing a lot of 3-1 games.

  38. frontenac1 says:

    Yeah,As I posted earlier after watching some of his tilts on youtube.Prust is a middle weight,but he goes in there like a possessed pit bull!He also has good balance and staying power.

  39. Dr.Rex says:

    Lucic acts like a 5 year old who just got his hand swatted by his mother after trying to grab a cookie right before dinner.

  40. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ commandant

    Thanks for the link : As for dealing with Lucic
    http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/97926

    I’ve only seen their tilt from last season and didn’t know they went at it before. Prust stunned him in the link you posted early on in the fight and won!

    Wow.

    I think 8 of 10 times Lucic wins but Prust will stand in there any day. Can’t wait until they go at it again next season. The roof would lift off the Centre Bell if Prust fared well.

  41. John Q Public says:

    Since we aren’t likely to be trading for anyone substantial and some people are being given second chances and the remaining free agents are either to expensive or don’t fit us why not sign the enigma AK47?
    Perhaps Therrien can change him.

    • JF says:

      I can’t see either Bergevin or Therrien wanting AK46. Bergevin has said several times that when they are assessing players, the first thing they look at after talent is character and commitment. Not likely they’d see breaking curfew before a playoff game as a sign of the kind of character they’re looking for.

      • John Q Public says:

        Curfew , shrumfew.
        These are adults, who cares.
        Although my second thought was we find him a girl. He gets married, has kids and his outlook changes. Huh what about that.

        • JF says:

          I think he is married, or at any rate he has a girlfriend. And he and Radulov didn’t just break curfew, they apparently stayed out until 4 or 5 AM. The game was 5PM. I think their teammates cared.

          • neumann103 says:

            This was debunked. All the talk in the days immediately after the suspension repeated it
            5 AM,
            Drunk,
            Strippers,
            the works.

            All. Not. True

            After the dust settled and the Preds were out and people had their 5 minutes of feeling superior to these bad charactered Russians, some real journalists established that they were 45 minutes to an hour late.

            See Michael Farber’s piece from May 14
            http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1198348/

            interestingly this comports with Radulov’s initial statements. While he declined to get into too much detail (something about it being between him and the team, oh the bad character!) he was quoted

            http://blogs.tennessean.com/predators/2012/05/01/comments-from-suter-weber-rinne-radulov/

            On the decision for him to sit out Game Three…

            “It’s between me and David Poile. I’m going to get out there for our whole team, for all of the guys, and support and do what I can do for myself. Hopefully, those guys can get out there and win – get Game Three. That whole situation – I don’t really want to get into it. I don’t think it’s good [to get into it]. Hopefully, everything is going to go well for our team and we’ll battle through it.”

            On whether he’s talked to the team…

            “I did. It’s been a whole situation about it. It was something that was wrong, but something that it wasn’t really the way it was. Again I don’t want to get into it and try to prove anything. It was something that I didn’t do right, but, like I said before, something wasn’t right. They brought it up – not on our team, the people. I don’t want to talk about those people who did that – let it be on their side. It is just the way it is.”

            On whether he knew he was breaking a team rule…

            “Yeah. I didn’t come back that late – the same. But like I said before, I don’t want to talk about it. They did what they have to do. I’m good with that. I’m disappointed and understand what is my mistake. I really hope that everything is going to work out for our team better and if I get a chance to play again, maybe in the future, I’ll do what it will take to help the team to win and basically that is it.”

            I don’t know what the #&$& you all want from these guys. They came back an hour late. They owned up to it. They took the team’s decision. Move on.

            “Et le but!”

  42. piper says:

    To Luke if your still hangin around. All I’m saying is guys like Lucic take more liberties than they would if they know there will be considerable retribution. Guys like Thornton wont let up but the Malone, Lucic types will back off when theres a guy like Scott available to put on the ice. You know that Price and Subban will be targets for those guys and the Habs can’t afford to lose either of them for any length of time. Thats the way its always been and unfortunately still is.

    • Habzfan says:

      Remember when big George chased Lucic all over the Ice!

      • commandant says:

        Lucic will only let up when that player is on the ice, not when he’s on the bench. Such is the nature of the instigator.

        When Laraque got on the ice, Lucic just skated past him and went to create scoring chances.

        This is why Scott would not work against him.

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        • Hobie Hansen says:

          The one thing Scott does do is take away that element that the Bruins are invincible. I’d rather have Scott than absolutely nothing.

          If Lucic is on the ice and after the whistle he grabs a player and roughs him up, taunts him and skates off laughing…send Scott out there the next shift to grab a Bruins players and do the same.

          Boston thrives on that stuff, they act as if they’re baddest team around and it gives them the momentum.

        • piper says:

          Oh well, I guess I’m in the minority.
          I think it was because he knew Laraque would ask first. Habs need a guy that asks questions later. A Chris Simon type. Havent seen enough of Scott to know how loose he is but we’ll see how the bruins look in Buffalo this year.

          • Strummer says:

            A Chris Simon type ?- you mean a 25 -game -suspension -type of psycho?

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          • piper says:

            that type, yes.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Didn’t Lucic score the winning goal in that game?

    • jols101 says:

      With the team the Habs have now Price and Subban will be run all season long again. Habs easily have the softest D in the League right now. Teams will be marking games against the Habs on their calender and licking their chops. Run them into the ground with little or no consequence. 3 years in a row and soon to be 4 among the most man games lost to injury. I wonder why that is? Probably just bad luck.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        When White was injured and Moen at times, before Staubitz arrived, that would be true.

        If a player runs Subban now…He’ll have Emelin, Subban and Armstrong trying to end their career with a massive hit or Prust or White putting their life on their line to even the score.

        • piper says:

          I’ll look forward to that but I’d still like to see a $600,000. goon for 4-6 mins a game in the lineup.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            It’s taken me a long time to realize it but you can’t afford a player in the lineup like that anymore. You have to find a guy that can play semi-regular minutes.

            Boston has 3 or 4 guys like that at the moment. Lucic, Chara, McQuaid and even Thornton who plays 9mins a game…

          • piper says:

            Yea, I agree, a couple would be great, but they’re hard to come by and don’t come cheap. Do you know of any that would be available?

          • Strummer says:

            Agree with Hobie. Those days are over.
            Even Mr Truculence Brian Burke sent Colton Orr to the minors @ $1 million a year

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  43. frontenac1 says:

    Thanks Amigos! Federer it is! Hola!

  44. Captain aHab says:

    The guy who’ll surprise us this year will be White. A sports hernia is a biatch of an injury to come back from. I think he’ll have a lot more jump and jam this year.

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  45. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    OK all you “Trade Thomas Plekanec” fans – what would your (realistic) trade be? Dallas needs a centre, and we need a LW. Would you trade Plekanec for Loui Eriksson?

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yes. As long as they throw in Jagr for half his salary.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bill says:

      Probably. But then I’d be praying like hell that Eller is ready to be the number two centre, because I don’t know who else is going to be getting him the puck :(

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • songles says:

      As a general comment, I find that the HIO scene really underrates Plekanec. The guy is known around the NHL as one of the most underrated players in the league. I don’t know why he keeps coming up in trades all the time. It’s not like we have somebody who can step in a do the job that he does. And it’s not like we have a glut of top 6 centres more generally, or even forwards for that matter. He remains one of my favorite players in the NHL. He’s basically Datsyuk-lite, and I don’t know why we’d part with that kind of blue-chip player. I’d much rather trade DD after one great season if we’re talking about trading high value centres.

      Edit: … And JM leaned so heavily on Pleks and Price the last two seasons in order to execute his no-risk system that it’s no wonder the two of them ended up taking minor steps backwards statistically.

    • piper says:

      in a second.

  46. frontenac1 says:

    I’m afraid that’s my fault commandant.just livin the dream.I still think he would be a perfect fit but as you have pointed out, McPhee would be nuts to let him go.I am working hard to get over it, and am considering betting on Tennis to distract myself. Hola Amigo!

    • ProHabs says:

      Getting John Erskine is very possible. All MB has to do is give McPhee a call. Erskine was a healthy scratch in the playoffs. He is very much available and the Habs should go and get him. He would be a great pickup.

      Commandent, you ask why Erskine, check on YouTube his fight against Lucic. He is the only guy I have seen that has knocked Lucic on his a$$. That is why you get him.

    • commandant says:

      Its not just you, I’ve seen more than a few posters bring it up now.

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  47. krob1000 says:

    Jim Vandermeer…I am still lobbying for him to round out the D corps…
    Kristian Huselius at forward…
    The Habs could likely have both for 3-3.5 million for the pair and address scoring and toughness with no long term consequences.
    I know I am a broken record on this but those are my two choices unless we make a larger trade but out of the UFA’s those wuold be my choices…AK would be my next one.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      They don’t have the cap space to sign both.

      Sure, if they sign Huselius they could demote Gomez, but I don’t think they’re willing to do that for a stop-gap solution for the top 6.

      • krob1000 says:

        They will be awfully close…if Subban gets around 4.5, Eller gets 1.5, Diaz gets 1.5 …. that leaves 1.8….. if they sign Diaz that means oneof he or Weber is not around….if they don;t sing DIaz that is rom enough there. LL may be in Hamilton to start which would be another 1.1….you can also go slightly over in the offseason and there will likely be another larger move anyway that means these don’t happen but I thinkit would be a cheap one year gap taht would make us very competitive and bridge the gap until the cavalry arrives next season.

        • boing007 says:

          That’s what overpaying Price has done to MB’s current options.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Yeah, maybe they could squeeze it in, but there would have to be juggling.

          LL in hamilton brings available cap space to 10M.

          If we sign Subban, Diaz and Eller, that will give them 13 F and 8 D.

          I’m thinking:
          Subban 4.5
          Eller 2
          Diaz 1.5

          This leaves 2M. They could trade Weber leaving almost 3M which should be plenty to sign Huselius (14 F, 7 D). A tight squeeze considering the usual buffer for injury call-ups.

          From there, Vander would take the salary of whoever he replaces, but i don’t see him bumping anyone off that Weberless roster.

  48. frontenac1 says:

    Hey all you Tennis guys. Tell me who to bet on when the final happens. I bet my Barkeep $10 on that Europe final and WON!Its not the 10 bucks,but the fact he thinks he’s an expert and I just thought Red would come in.He thinks he’s pretty good with Tennis too.Always good to get a little dough back from your Barkeep. Hola!

    • Derek2 says:

      Never bet against Federer at Wimbledon

      Our chief weapons are fear and surprise

    • Mattyleg says:

      Your barkeep sounds like a pigeon.
      Nobody expected Italy to beat Spain, except all the ‘Italian Canadian/Americans’ who probably don’t really follow soccer/football but will just follow the ‘Azzuri’ crowd.

      Bet on Federer. It’s as safe a bet as Spain was.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  49. hockeyscout101 says:

    I see we have started a long debate about the Habs and their need for toughness or no need. Well I must say they are going in the right direction with Prust, Bouillion and resigning of Moen. (Full year of White will help), but they still need to add another dman who is tough. There are 2 names out there in John Erskine and Theo Peckham. Erskine I believe is available, Peckham (I don’t believe is as much).

    In terms of forwards, I would have liked to see MB bring in a legitimate tough guy. They could have gottten Parros but lost to Florida on that. All the tough guys are mostly signed now or on 2 way contracts.

    I will say that the Canadiens will be pushed around against larger teams because they don’t have that enforcer..however time will tell…Therrien is a big fan of fighters so I have a feeling they are not done yet with the tough guys up front.

    • Cal says:

      Tell me, scout, did having Thornton, Chara and company prevent Savard and Bergeron from getting concussed and losing their seasons?

      • commandant says:

        Other than the hopeful comments of more than one poster on this site, who has reported that Erskine is available? I haven’t seen a single credible media report that says he could be traded.

        It seems to be a dream of a lot of fans here, but what makes the Capitals put him on the market (other than an overpayment of course).

        Why Erskine? I know… I’m gonna start a thing… Every day I’ll ask for the Habs to trade for Stamkos, and that will make him available?

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        • Bripro says:

          What? Stamkos is available?
          Link…..? ;)

          Hey everyone, commy has posted that Stamkos is seeking a trade to the Habs…
          (that must make it true).

    • adamkennelly says:

      they are done up front for sure but I could see them grabbing someone on D with size and toughness to round things out.

    • Bill says:

      We had Georges Laraque and still got pushed around, because the rest of the team was soft and the other team didn’t care if their enforcer had to fight Laraque.

      Hockey is a rough game and there will always be a lot of pushing around. But the Habs have lots of guys on the team now who will push back, and THAT’s what they need.

      Don’t need an enforcer who just fights the other team’s enforcer.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • commandant says:

        Agreed Bill

        The toughest team in recent years was the 07-08 team that had a united locker room, and we saw guys like Begin, Latendresse, Kostopolous, both Kostitsyns, Bouillion, Komisarek, and numerous others fight that year (even if they were one off fights). We played Boston that year and went 8-0. We fought with them on numerous occassions because Julien would send out the goon squad once we were up 3 or 4 goals (as we were on a few occassions that year).

        I’m much more of the belief in team toughness, a united locker room where you know the other 5 guys on the ice with you have your bakc, then thinking about the goon on the end of the bench to solve things.

        The 08-09 team was essentially the same, but with Laraque there, many members of the team seemed to take the approach of… oh let Georges handle it, we don’t need to bother. And that made the team much less tough, not more tough.

        Toughness isn’t necessarily having to win the fight, but its a willingness to stand up and be counted when the time for one is necessary.

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    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’ve been screaming for years on this site that MTL needs a heavyweight. But some of the great posters on this site have made me realize you can’t have an enforcer who is complete garbage.

      With White, Prust and Moen I think Montreal is OK. White and Prust might not be heavyweights but neither one of them is afraid in the slightest to come out on the losing end of a scrap. Showing up is what counts.

      Of course I would rather have a complete goon that can barley take a shift than nothing at all but with White, Prust and Moen we can live without a useless goon.

      Hopefully one day we find a player who is massive but can play the game…Tinordi?

      • Bill says:

        I agree, the team as constituted as decent size and toughness. The only small guys are DD and Gionta. Plekanec is small-ish, and Diaz is small for a D.

        Guys who will not get pushed around: Pacioretty, Cole, Bourque, Moen, Eller, Armstrong, Prust, Nokia, White, Gorges, Subban, Emelin, and Markov. They don’t all fight, but they’re not exactly panty-waists either.

        Kaberle and Diaz, I grant you, are soft, but at least Kaberle has size.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Agree there Bill. We should have some feisty games this year. And hopefully Armstrong finds his grove again and is cruising around out there and smoking people. Emelin and Subban will be doing the same.

          And heck, if Thornton beats up White or Lucic beats on Prust again, at least we’re showing up.

          We were laying down and just rolling over before and that’s what was demoralizing.

  50. frontenac1 says:

    I could watch some of those Russian girls play tennis.

  51. sreuel says:

    So how come when a player gives a list of teams to play for the Habs are never on it. Boston is on Nashes list

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Off the top of my head:
      The Taxes
      The crazy media
      The crazier fans (myself included)
      The language issue
      We’re not a contender (yet)

    • jols101 says:

      I would have to say it is the same reason very few players put the Laffs on their wish list. Habs and Laffs get the most scrutiny then any other teams by far. I’m just guessing but I do not believe the majority of players want to live in the fish bowl that is the Habs or Laffs. Every move questioned, every action dissected, I don’t think that is very appealing to a lot of the players. Just an opinion…

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        It seems that many players supposedly have the Leafs on their list – moreso than the Habs and I don’t doubt that more would prefer to go to the Leafs. Not sure if it’s just the media forcing them to consider it, or what.

        As for the Habs, I think the language and crazy media and their influence on the fans definitely has an impact. I also think that MB will change that around with his focus on the good young core the Habs have and the change in management culture.

        • neumann103 says:

          Yes, I find it strange that many players seem to entertain playeing for the Leafs even though all of the fishbowl elements are close to as bad in Montreal and the Laffs have not been better than pathetic for about 90% of the last forty years.

          As a Toronto guy however I have heard a fair number of sports journalists here say that no matter how obsessed Leafs Nation is with players, it does not reach the levels of insanity in Montreal. I have seen Leaf Captains in the grocery store and nobody bothered them, let alone accused them of consorting with the mafia, or violating young girls.

          There does seem to be a whole other level of crazy with fans (*EDIT: and MEDIA) in MTL.

          However what really astounds me about the NHL is things like who the hell would play in Columbus or Phoenix or St Louis or Winnipeg if they weren’t forced to? I guess as a player you don’t really have to spend that much time in the city but still…

          “Et le but!”

      • JUST ME says:

        Main difference is here the medias will go below the belt just to get THE scoop even if it has to do with the personal life of the player.

        In TO medias are tough but they say the thruth about what everyone sees on the ice. Then it just creates a debate around the player as a hockey player. It`s fair game when you can say what you think about an athlete .

        In Mtl they say what they want regardless if it is true ou hurtfull. Rejean Tremblay and Bertrand Raymond never accepted to be thrown out of the team`s airplane 30 years ago and since then it`s vendetta time.

        Furthermore, the medias in mtl have a glorious era to relate to even if it has nothing to do with today`s hockey and nothing to do with the team`s performances in the last 20 years. So it is easy to bitch and say back then it was much better and bla bla bla.
        Same thing with the french players by the way. Years ago there were plenty to chose from but not anymore..But they`d rather relate to another era to complain…

        • boing007 says:

          Do you know the statistics of how many French Canadians played in the 70s and 80s compared with today? There weren’t thirty teams in those days.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      Also because when we get a player who speaks highly of the franchise, something along the lines of “I feel bad for players who never get a chance to play for Montreal” They get traded in between periods and are told they can’t keep their jersey unless they buy it.

      So nice to the boys who bleed for the organization.

    • Cal says:

      How about Nash is gutless?

  52. Mattyleg says:

    Is Plekanec better than Guy Carbonneau was?

    They play/ed the same kind of game…

    That being said, how many people would have traded Carbo in his prime, as compared to those who think we could get rid of Plekanec now?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      I think Plekanec is better offensively, at least the numbers says so.
      Pleky also had a better production in the playoffs.

    • Bill J says:

      Interesting question, I think they are different types.

      JM used Pleks as if he was Carbo… But that’s not Plekanec’s talent.


      Go Habs Go!

      • Mattyleg says:

        Different? I see them as very similar.
        They both play a two-way, defensively-minded game, focusing on the pk, with little physicality.

        The only difference is Plek’s offensive skills, hence the ‘Better Than Carbo.’

        People look back at Carbo as one of the greats, which is why I find it mystifying that so many sell Pleks short.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Bill says:

          They had very different roles. Carbonneau was a pure 3rd-line centre in the Gainey mould: he went out as a shadow and stopped the Lemieuxs and the Gretzkys. Scoring was not his role or his assignment, but because of the era he played in, Carbonneau did put up some points.

          Pleks is expected to provide offence. He has a bigger role than Carbonneau had with the Habs, really.

          I loved Carbonneau, but Pleks is doing more than Carbo had to.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I remember just before Lemaire stabbed Lafleur in the back. The Flower went into to see Lemaire and said that he should try Carbo as his centre. Carbo being a big scorer in junior. That might jump start the team and Lafleur’s dwindling fortunes.

      The rest is history.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I watched Carbo play his entire career.

      Actually attended the final exhibition game when Carbo was battling with dan daoust to see who would stay and who wouldn’t.

      Plekanec is not even close to being as good a player as Carbo was in his prime.

      Carbo was an outstanding player. Dominant.

      If Plekanec is considered a top 10 defensive center in the league,

      Carbo, in his prime, was THE TOP defensive center in the league.

      Just my opinion, however.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I watched him too.

        Dominant in what way?
        I’d like to hear more details of how Carbo was better than Pleks, in your opinion.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • ed lopaz says:

          carbo was brilliant at defending and arguably the very best of his generation.

          plekanec is well above average and a “ranked” player in his generation.

          its not close.

          • Bripro says:

            I also watched both play their entire careers Ed and although I agree with this last post of yours, I would argue that they’re closer in talent than you maintain.

      • shiram says:

        Think Carbo had a better supporting cast of players.
        It does not change one’s skillset, but it can help them perform better.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah, that’s a great point.
          I think that Pleks has suffered because he’s been forced to wear too many hats.
          Instead of focusing on one or two things, he’s had to do everything for the Habs except drive the zamboni.

          You’re right, Carbo had other skilled players to pick up that end of things.

          -edit- You changed your post! Your points were good!

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • shiram says:

            Yeah I got my memory mixed up, thought Carbo played alot more behind Damphousse, but that was not the case, so I reworded it.

          • Mattyleg says:

            He played behind Bobby Smith, one of the best centers to ever play for the Habs!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • shiram says:

            Yeah I was between 2 and 10 when Bobby Smith played for the Habs, so it’s tough to recall! ;)

        • Bripro says:

          .
          Shiram, you’re trying to screw me up…

    • Bripro says:

      They are (were) not the same type of player.
      They’re both excellent defensively, but Carbo was (IMO) a more effective defensive forward.
      Pleks is definitely faster and has more offensive skill.
      Carbo had hands, but Plek is quicker.
      Plek plays mostly shallow blue-line D when in his zone and is very effective at shutting down the Ds.
      Carbo was everywhere. He was one of the smartest home-zone players I’ve ever seen.
      You can’t compare, and it’s hard to say who, long-term, will be remembered more favourably.
      But I think I’d have to give the edge to Carbo.

      • ed lopaz says:

        its hard to say who will be remembered more fondly?

        really?

        • Bripro says:

          Remember, Carbo played on better teams.
          Look at how well Pleks played and produced when he, Kovy and AK found their groove.

        • Mattyleg says:

          It’s true, Ed.
          I loved Carbo too. He was my fave growing up, but you have to think that fans today will see Plek’s skills as being more complete than Carbo’s, who played a more limited role.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Bripro says:

            Ooooo I’m not sure about that, though.
            Ed’s right. Carbo was THE best defensive forward of that, and perhaps this generation.
            I’ve never seen better.
            But I find that ed under-estimates Pleks.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yeah, no doubting his defensive skills!!

            But as we’ve been saying (Shiram above) Carbo only had to be a defensive forward, while Pleks has to defend AND attack effectively.

            An extreme 2-way forward.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Bripro says:

            Matt, I’d have to look it up (too lazy) but I think Carbo scored close to 600 points in 12 seasons in Mtl.
            And he had quite a few 20-goal seasons.
            I’m not comparing his offensive skills compared to Plek
            (although he did score lights-out in junior), he was a more complete player.
            Pleks is forced into a defensive position because he’s very effective at it, but I find he seems more comfortable in an offensive role. The set-up man.

      • boing007 says:

        Carbonneau was also an expert shot blocker.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • habstrinifan says:

        “He was one of the smartest home-zone players I’ve ever seen.”

        There’s the dfference. On the ice, Carbo was a smarter player.

        Pleks may be faster also but Carbonneau was a smoother skater.

    • neumann103 says:

      Carbo was a great scorer in Junior who the Habs turned into a shutdown guy. Man when you had that embarrassment of riches…

      Plekanec was an offensive winger who someone had the wisdom to see could be a really good center, develop an incredible defensive talent and maintain his playmaking edge.

      Similar transitions but I see Plekanec as more of a playmaker and two way guy whereas Carbo really was that shutdown guy. Better at faceoffs, if I recall correctly.

      If I had to have only one guy, I would take Plekanec for his versatility.

      I think you could argue that Carbo was closer to the ideal of what was asked of him, but what was asked of him was a much narrower range than is asked of Plekanec.

      “Et le but!”

  53. Ian Cobb says:

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  54. shiram says:

    “(And) I’m okay with that,” Luongo told the radio station. “I had a great six years in Vancouver. I think it’s a wonderful city, I really enjoyed my time there. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to bring a Stanley Cup there, which was probably my biggest regret. But it will be remembered for six great years.”
    “I think playing in a hockey market is great,” said Luongo. “Playing in one is a preference for sure. Playing in a place like Florida with anonymity – to go out somewhere and have a dinner with your family and relax and stuff is great. When you’re on the ice, being able to play in a building that’s rocking, sold out and the fans are passionate about their team – as a hockey player you always want to be in that type of market.”

    I kinda wish Bobby Lou would get to lift the Cup, the guy is a pretty damn good goalie, and he caught alot of flack while the team in front of him did not exactly play up to their talent in the playoffs.

    • shiram says:

      When the 3rd best guy on the list is AK46, well that says alot.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Indirectly, Nash and Ryan are still the big fish.

        Doan says he’s waiting until July 9th to see how the new ownership goes. Hell, it seems like nine years to me. Only drawback being he’s a +35 contract.

        If the Habs sign Semin long term, I’m jumping onto the Islander bandwagon.

        • shiram says:

          Sure but a trade is not the same as a free agent, and getting those guys mean sending roster players back.
          Semin would not fit with Therrien, I doubt they pursue him.

          • boing007 says:

            I think Semin could contribute a lot. Not every player has to ‘fit in with Therrien’. MT might last here two years, maybe less.
            Then what? Ya never know. Semin on a line with Plekanec sounds pretty good to me.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

          • shiram says:

            I doubt Semin signs a deal for 2 years unless we are talking ridiculous money.

        • habs_moleman says:

          Bergevin said recently he wasn’t interested in signing Semin (or Jagr at the time) because he didn’t think they fit in with the identity that they are trying to create

  55. 24 Cups says:

    David Perron has been extended for four years by the Blues – cap hit of $3.8 million. He was taken a few spots after MaxPac in the draft.

    The Oilers re-signed goalie Devan Dubnyk to a two-year deal worth $3.5 million per. Seems a bit high to me.

    Nick Foligno signs a three-year contract, $9.15 million contract with the Blue Jackets, who acquired him from the Ottawa Senators.

    Strikes me that it’s about time for another lockout and salary rollback!

    • commandant says:

      I really think people fail to grasp how the salary cap works.

      Salaries are guaranteed to equal 57% of revenue.

      If salaries for mediocre players are escalating, its not because its out of control again, like it was pre lockout… it is because the NHL is doing well and the revenues are rising.

      The cap rising 14 million in 2 years shows you that the NHL is in a serious boom period right now.

      Don’t believe the owner’s bullshit when they cry poor, its simply not true.

      If one or two markets aren’t making money, thats their own fault and easily fixed by either A) moving the team, or B) Better revenue sharing. It doesn’t mean we need a financial reset.

      There is no reason why every NHL owner can’t make money in the current system where player salaries are capped at 57% of revenue. NONE, ZERO.

      These guys just want you to hear a sob story so you feel sorry for them.

      Remember that every time you think the players are overpaid, its the owners who have the billions. This is a war between billionaires and millionaires. And the Billionaires want your support.

      Remember one thing… ticket prices, jersey prices, beer prices, etc… have not dropped any since the last lockout, and they won’t drop in the future with a tighter salary cap either.

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      • 24 Cups says:

        For sure.

        I can’t say that I care one way or the other.

      • HabFab says:

        Ben, had a long response but crashed.
        -Short version remember that the 57% is league wide, not per team.
        -NHLPA is apparently looking for end to escrow and higher team revenue sharing for any rollback of that percentage.
        -Not sure how well this plays out for Bettman as the NHLPA and smaller market teams are closer on some issues then they are with the richer teams.

        • commandant says:

          Okay, sure 57% is league wide.

          – Get better revenue sharing if you want to keep your teams in shitty ass markets… or move them to markets that succeed.

          – I doubt much changes with the escrow, its the thing that makes this system work. The Higher revenue sharing is something that should happen. There is no reason why all 30 teams cannot be profitable. And heck if 29 owners think that 1 owner is a blood sucking leach in a poor market there will be more pressure for him to move.

          – Funny how the richer teams are the ones crying about the system, Rembering that 57% isn’t league wide, and without revenue sharing some small markets might lose money…. its the richest teams that are making the biggest profits with this cap system. The fattest pigs at the trough are always the greediest.

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      • boing007 says:

        ‘If salaries for mediocre players are escalating, its not because its out of control again, like it was pre lockout… it is because the NHL is doing well and the revenues are rising.’

        And so are ticket prices, merchandise, hot dogs, beer etc.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • Cal says:

        The thing that pisses off most Canadians is that with 7 teams, the country accounts for about 10% more of the league revenue than they should. Why should we support Nashville and Phoenix and TBay and Miami? They didn’t help Canadian teams when the dollar was worth an American quarter, so I say screw them.

      • boing007 says:

        Give the 7 percent they’re wrangling about to charities, after school clubs and the like. Owners and players alike, quit hoarding all the money.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  56. frontenac1 says:

    Hey Dude!Remember when Erskine tuned up Laraque in 2009?Oh Crap,I wasn’t going to mention Erskine again!Sorry Commandant.


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