Habs development camp underway in Brossard (VIDEO)

About 150 people showed up at the Canadiens practice facility in Brossard Monday morning to watch as the team’s annual development camp kicked off.

Fifty players were invited to the camp, which ends on Friday. Forty-three were on the ice Monday morning including Russian forward Nikita Scherbak, the Canadiens’ first-round draft pick at last month’s NHL entry draft, and Jiri Sekac, a 22-year-old forward from the Czech Republic who the Habs signed last week as a free agent.

“I’m trying to play next season in the NHL,” Scherbak told reporters.

“It’s like just hard work and we’ll see,” he said.

“I can’t say I’m ready, not ready. It’s the coach opinion and just hard work.”

Twenty prospects who were drafted by the Canadiens are at camp. That group includes Michael McCarron and Swedish forward Jacob de la Rose, who the Habs selected in the first and second rounds, respectively, in the 2013 draft. Forwards Connor Crisp and Artturi Lehkonen as well as defencemen Dalton Thrower and Darren Dietz were among those prospects on the ice Monday.

McCarron spent the past year with the London Knights in the Ontario Hockey League where his season got off to a bumpy start, but improved in the second half.

Defenceman Nathan Beaulieu, who played 24 games for the Canadiens this past season including seven during their playoff run, is also at the camp.

Twenty-one players are attending the camp on a try-out basis.

The players were scheduled to arrive in Montreal on the weekend and undergo medical exams on Sunday.

Habs hopefuls hit the ice in Brossard by Pat Hickey

Habs’ prospect Bennett pencilled in for Bulldogs by Pat Hickey

To look at a photo gallery from today’s camp, you can click here:

(Photos and video by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)

1,173 Comments

  1. Chris says:

    Amazing Tour de France stage today. They really need to put a cobblestone stage in the first week every year, because it made for a much more exciting stage than you usually see in the first week.

  2. habs001 says:

    The Eastern conference is there for the taking…In 2-3 years the conference will be stronger than now…The West is unbelievable right now…the first round matchups next year will be killers…If you ranked the top 10 teams in the NHL it may have 8 teams from the West…

  3. Chris says:

    Philadelphia desperately wanted Evander Kane leading into the draft, but gave up when, as they put it, the Jets were treating Kane’s value as equivalent to a 40-goal scoring power forward.

    Forget Kane…Bergevin is not going to deal the assets necessary to make that trade.

    • knob says:

      I also think that Kane lacks the desired character traits that MB seeks.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Exactly. Folks are wasting their time with these proposals.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        It would be different if we still had some key assets available to help make such a trade. Gone are the days when we can sweeten the pot with Tom Pyatt, Raphael Diaz, Yannik Weber and other players of that ilk. MB’s hands are tied much tighter now in terms of making trades.

      • New says:

        Yes people are wasting their time speculating.

        The value of Jaro Halak was Eller and Ian Schultz. Halak, Stewart, Carrier, and a 2015 1st and conditional third were the value of a few games with Millar, and Steve Ott. Halak for a few days and a third were then worth Neuwirth and Klesla, and finally Halak becomes worth a 4th round pick.

        If anyone had even mentioned any of those equivalent senarios to the fanbase here when Halak was the starting Canadiens goalie he would have been ridiculed by the established posers as a complete hockey moron.

        A player is only worth what a team that needs that specific player is willing to pay. Need changes as plans change. No GM will change his plans to fit Kane. Kane has to fit plans.

  4. Marc10 says:

    Luongo tweets he wasn’t in goals for Brazil… I love it!

  5. fastfreddy says:

    Let’s stop the Josh Gorges banter now. He was and was going to be a 5-6 D man on the roster, he wasn’t that good. If he was so good and valuable, why trade him? You don’t pay a 5-6 Dman 4 mil/yr, maybe 2mil/yr. Gorges wasn’t going to fit in the scheme of the team, it was time to change.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Phil C says:

      I agree he didn’t fit in the scheme of the Habs anymore. He was extra depth to be traded. But that doesn’t mean he is not a top four defensemen. I don’t think anyone calls Malkin or Crosby number 2 centres just because only one them can start. The Habs chose to go with Emelin and Markov on left D and like you pointed out, they needed his cap space elsewhere. It’s the same reason Chicago traded Ladd and Byfuglien.

    • knob says:

      Gorges was a great guy but I agree that he is a bottom pairing dman. To say “he wasn’t that good” is, in my opinion, wrong. If anything, he was over-paid.

    • shiram says:

      I also see it as a measure of the game evolving.
      Stay at home defense men, it seems to me, are phasing out of the League, slowly.
      They are given lesser roles, as more and more teams realize they need their D to be able to skate the puck some, make some decent passes and at least produce shots on the net from the point.

      Gorges, for all he sacrificed and bled for the Habs, was never going to the kind of D that can move the puck well, make crisp passes or just be a threat in the O-zone.

      and considering Emelin is about the same, but with the added physical side, one of them had to leave, especilly with the cap being a bit lower than expected, and with the Eller/Subban raise.

      So that’s just my opinion on the Gorges situation.

  6. frozengolf says:

    Does anyone know of Therrien is at this development camp? Strange he doesn’t show up in any film footage I’ve seen and has given no interviews. Or is it just the development guys like Lapointe running this camp?

    _________________________________________________________
    “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • knob says:

      MT is at the veteran’s camp. He is trying to figure out how he can play them 25 minutes each so that he can keep the kids off the ice.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Working off memory, he’ll be in the box or the stands with the other members of the management team.

      I’m not exactly sure who runs the practices, who’s the boss on the ice, but I think we’re miles ahead of the Gauthier régime, when Trevor Timmins was on the ice running the show.

      If I had to hazard a guess, Martin Lapointe and Patrice Brisebois would be in charge? They’re the development coaches. There are a couple of LHJMQ coaches to help out, the conditioning staff.

      Anyone else care to weigh in?

      • frozengolf says:

        Thank UCE!

        _________________________________________________________
        “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • Ozmodiar says:

      MT is secretly watching in disguise. He’s spying on the prospects, learning their weaknesses so he’ll be better equipped to derail their careers when the time is right.
      ;)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Essentially he is watching in order to find who the best candidates are for his “Make them a better person” course, it is also my understanding he charges by the hour for these lessons, and made an extra 400K over the last two years with his prized pupil PK.

  7. JohnBellyful says:

    Test:

    SonOfJohn

  8. Habbergasted says:

    Howdy all. Not to take away from some very good reading today, (for once) but do the Habs have any hope in stealing Evander Kane through a major trade? Say a current roster player, Tokarski, one of our D prospects, and even a high pick?
    I love this kids game and could see him filling a major need. He obviously wants out of Winnipeg and the Jests could end up getting burned with him. What would it take to land this kid?

    • Habbergasted says:

      Jests was a typo, but im gonna leave it because it kinda works… like a jester. Hah I slay me.

    • Maksimir says:

      I’d assume they would want a forward in return to fill the gap left by Kane. So who do the Habs have of high calibre? Basically Gallagher or Patches… then we have another hole to fill in our lineup.

    • bwoar says:

      The Jets have 3 young goalie prospects. I don’t think they’d consider Tokarski worth anything in a deal.

      Pacioretty would have to come back, or Galchenyuk. Maybe Plekanec, Gallagher and a 1st rounder (I wouldn’t do that from a WPG POV). I also wouldn’t count on a D prospect in that deal, Winnipeg has Trouba up now, Morrissey on the way, and Buff/Enstrom/Bogosian on the big club.

      It’d be scoring coming back for scoring, I’m afraid. I don’t think Montreal is a good trade partner in a deal for Kane. Short of some weird idea like Gallagher, Scherbak, De La Rose and a 1st but that seems like a very iffy deal for WPG too.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        The over-valuing of Evander Kane, Exhibit A:
        ____________________________________________
        Deals Winnipeg *wouldn’t* be interested in:
        – Plekanec, Gallagher and a 1st rounder
        – Gallagher, Scherbak, De La Rose and a 1st
        ____________________________________________

        :shock:

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          The second proposal might be more of an even trade for them, but again, as much as it would hurt for us to part with so much talent and youth, the Jets would land nothing definite beyond Brendan for a potential All-Star.

          I think bwoar is on the mark, we’re not great trading partners for them.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            *them* being which team?

            Both trades are a similar value considering Pleks could land 2 prospects in a trade.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I always ignore any proposal involving a player with a NTC headed to Winnipeg or Edmonton. These franchises are the reason limited NTC’s exist.

            Them as in the Jets. Evander Kane is the single most valuable asset they have, they’re not going to trade him for four prospects and start at the bottom again. They want to win now. -Ish.

            ———————————————————————–
            My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • boing007 says:

          And the undervaluing of all the Canadiens players as well.

          Richard R

      • Habitforming says:

        Holy crap this one time 30 goal scorer is good!!!

        Gallagher Scherbak, De La Rose and a first?????

        Why not add in Carey Price for Pavelic?

        oh my

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          6’2″, 200 lbs, skates like the wind, plays physical when so inclined, has a mean streak and can fight.

          Former 4th overall draft pick, behind Matt Duchene and ahead of Brayden Schenn.

          Yes, he’s good.

          If you think the trade proposal is outlandish, the average Jets fan would laugh you out of the pub for offering so little. Even if they’re pretty sick of him right now.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            I don’t think draft position still matters, 5 years later.

            He rarely fights, and his production isn’t *that* much better than Gallagher’s. Then you factor in the fact that Gallagher has a better contract, and is considered a team leader while Kane is a malcontent with obvious character issues…

            But hey, he’s big …

            MB’s not gonna make this guy part of the team’s core and the highest paid forward.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I guess the draft position is immaterial now, but it just gives perspective to the value the fans and the team might attach to the player, and the potential of the player. I just bring it up as context.

            You don’t want your first-liners to fight very often, but the mean streak and the potential that he can go with most players short of the heavyweights is another aspect that adds to his value. Our bugaboo Milan Lucic doesn’t fight much either, maybe three times a season, but the menace, the track record, sets a tone for his team, and a lot of GM’s will put a large value on that.

            I’m not advocating we trade Brendan, I want to keep him. Evander is so much a better player though that we shouldn’t compare their production. They’re not really comparable, it’s like Pierre Mondou and Al Secord, apples and oranges. If Al Secord has an off year, you don’t say Pierre is almost as good as he is, since he got only 12 fewer points. It doesn’t work like that.

            I’m not advocating a trade for Evander Kane. I agree with you that with his issues in Winnipeg are probably a poor fit on Marc Bergevin’s vision of a character team.

            Having said that, you can’t discount the potential of Mr. Kane, the player he can become. If a situation arises where you can obtain him at a reasonable cost, you do it.

            Think of Tyler Seguin last summer, a player who was young and was having issues in Boston. The change in climate and the wakeup call in Dallas did him a world of good.

        • boing007 says:

          Let Kane rot in Winnipeg.

          Richard R

    • THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

      we already have too many centers, not knowing how to fit them in.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Let’s stop with the Tokarski trade proposals.

      Offhand, the Canucks have Jakob Markstrom on offer. The Leafs have James Reimer. If a team is looking for a significant goalie addition, Dustin Tokarski barely registers.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        He’ll have to pass through waivers if he doesn’t make the team, no?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Yes, not disputing that. I’m referring to trade proposals trying to land a significant piece in return for a package including Dustin Tokarski as if he’s a major component, a tempting enticement for a GM. There are lots of young goalies who aren’t established floating around on the trade market, Dustin just doesn’t have that much value.

          I’m just trying to keep things realistic. He’s becoming this season’s Yannick Weber or Mathieu Darche, the player you duct tape onto any trade package, spare parts we’re trying to dress up as a gem.

  9. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    Re: UCE’s Rant about the Comish:

    The only thing I can add to Normand’s righteous smackdown, is that the oney thing that the Comish has been successful at is bullying the owners (google Ken Dryden on Bettman) into giving him the power to execute his vision.

    While theoretically the Jacobs committee pull the strings, Bettman’s authority is iron clad … it’s all written down in black and yellow.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  10. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    To paraphrase Badger Bob, “It’s a good day to talk about the Josh Gorges trade” …

    Despite my soapbox stomping screed in favour of Josh Gorges two days before it turned out he was in play, I have no concerns with the reality of why the trade was made and the return.

    My only quibble is the self fulfilling theme that takes on wings ” he was only a third pairing defenceman”.

    If you quote MB, the players make the choice of the GM and coach – as much a we love to imagine the days of NB, JT and Pateryn playing Mark Howe minutes, we can’t assume that it was going to happen this year or next, or that Gilbert was going to automatically earn 4th line 5 on 5 minutes, regardless of what was said after the trades were made.

    My point is caution against groupthink … the same concept that now makes it undisputed fact that Timmons begged Gainey not to trade McDonough (show me the interview please), that McDonough was a can’t miss prospect (Farber on TSN’s “The Reporters” noted the opposite view} that Gomez was not the number 1 centre in the eastern conference run of 2010 and that Koivu would have accepted a huge paycut to be the third line centre (with an unquenchable propensity for lazy hooking penalties)

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  11. JohnBellyful says:

    Shout-out for UCE on his two — yeah, TWO — rants about Bettman. HIO’s premier poster once again nailed it, below, this time about how the commissioner is greasing the league’s slide into an inconsequential sport while alienating its most ardent supporters. Sure, the NHL is doing well financially at the moment but Bettman’s blowing a bubble of prosperity that one day will pop.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yup, I still think Rogers also bit off more than they can chew with that giant contract. I fully expect to see in year 3 or year 4 of that deal, Rogers selling off some broadcasts to TSN etc…. to help salvage their year. Rogers is banking on Toronto viewers (and others, but GTA is the golden goose in Canada for numbers) to start watching non Leaf games on their national broadcasts, I just don’t see it happening.

      Along the way this new contract alienates arguably the largest single team fanbase, us Habs fans.

  12. Maritime Ronn says:

    Re Sid Crosby

    ” Sidney Crosby is scheduled to have arthroscopic surgery on his right wrist within the next few days to repair damage that a source said impeded his performance in the postseason.”
    —————
    Watching him during the playoffs, he just didn’t look right.
    1 goal in 13 games and Minus – 4…and completely shut out in 5 of the 7 games against the Rangers.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2014/07/09/Penguins-star-Sidney-Crosby-to-have-wrist-surgery/stories/201407090121

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Which begs the question, why did he continually deny any injury both during and after the playoffs? If he was trying to make himself appear tougher by playing through injury, he didn’t succeed.

      • montreal ace says:

        Crosby played with a wrist guard, while being hacked at throughout the playoffs, Crosby is one of the few players I admire who is not a Hab, he is still the best player in the league by the way.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        He didn’t want to have the wrist targeted…and you did notice it was “a source”…could be his own handlers

        • montreal ace says:

          Ronn, Don Cherry pointed it out on Coaches Corner, while showing Crosby being slashed, he mentioned that players should use one for prevention. I have noticed that slashing on the wrists, has become a popular new source for taking out a player

          • krob1000 says:

            Not new…but itt isn;t viewed in the same negative or “dirty” light as other means of hurting players so it happens quite often….even if the injury isn’t extreme it is very hard to be effective with a wrist injury…it affects every aspect of your game. Slashes to me are worse than peole view them…a high stick likely cuts you but ultimately the cut doesn’t affect your game in most cases…a slash to the wrist is the easiest way to reneder a good player ineffective…..it is bs and should be more harshly penalized. Wrost guards should not be necessary…while they may help thye also limit manoueuerability …it is a crock that slashes to hte hands and wrists are always minor penalties when most often they result in the most damaging injuries as far as short term performance goes.

  13. marlboro says:

    Poll Question!

    Argument sake, Andrei Markov retires after his 3 year contract is up. Finishing his entire career as a Montreal Canadiens. Does his sweater get hung in the rafters?

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      No, why should he? Because he spent his entire career with one team?

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I’m a big Markov fan, as he’s a player who keeps his focus and works hard on the ice. He was the Habs best defenceman for most of the season, until PK decided to play up to his own skill level. Markov is a key player who has kept the Habs competitive to the best of his ability.
      Retire his number? There is no player on the current Habs team who has earned anything close to that status. You don’t retire a Habs number because the wearer was great. You do it because he was magnificent. Markov is just great.

      • habsguy92 says:

        fun fact;

        IF he plays 3 full seasons, Marky will sit 5th on the habs all-time games played list, behind only Richard, Robinson, Gainey, and Beliveau

        Thats a big if..

      • marlboro says:

        I agree totally. I’m just putting it out there. Compared to all the players who’s sweaters are up there, its hard to justify retiring 79. The only point I would argue is that the make-up of the league has changed so much in the last decade or two, it seems we will never retire anyone ever again. Times of playing more then 8 or 9 years on the same team are over. Free agency basically killed the notion of playing on one, or maybe two teams for an entire career. Also, winning a Stanley cup has become nearly an impossible feat. Let alone multiple. 30 teams is much different then 6 or 12.
        Bet yes, I would also only reserve the honor to be given to the truly amazing. I guess part of being a Canadiens is the high standards we have. Markov’s 79 I would argue, we be hung in almost any other building around the league.

        • habsguy92 says:

          I think thats a fair analysis. Era’s change and we must hold the current players to different standards, and measure their impact with different metrics. Perhaps Stanley Cups and personal trophies should not be a prerequisite to jersey retirement, as they are much harder to come by nowadays. Things like games played, career stats for the team, and social impact must be considered too.

          By this logic I think one could argue that Markov and Koivu are examples of modern players who may deserve the honour.

          I have only watched the habs for about 15 years (Im only 21) but I think the notion that we cannot honour this era’s heroes simply because it is much harder to win cups and trophies is unfair.

          • marlboro says:

            Good Points. I was interested in reading people thoughts on this subject. Mainly because, my guess would be that the older generation of posters here would argue against retiring 79. While the younger poster, such as yourself, might argue for it. I’m somewhere in the middle, though still consider myself in the younger category, I’m 33. I’ve been watching hockey for nearly 30 years, and I can clearly remember Gainey, Robinson and of course Roy, as the only players I’ve watched play, who’s numbers have been retired. I would also agree with maybe altering our standards a bit.

      • HabsFanInTampa says:

        Excellent point, couldn’t had said it better myself. Thank you.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      If that Habs start hanging Division Champs banners from the Bell Centre roof…then yea, ok.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      No Cups, no personal awards (e.g., Norris)…ergo no jersey in the rafters. Else, you diminish the accomplishment for everyone already in the pantheon of CH Glory.

      ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

    • GrosBill says:

      Nope.

      Blake, Lemaire, Shutt, Durnan, and so many names to consider in over 100 years of the Habs. Can’t retire them all unfortunately. One could argue, there would be others to be considered before him.

      If it was up to me, Blake’s number would be next.

      • marlboro says:

        That’s for sure! A total disgrace IMO. I grew up in MTL West, remember when the painted the fire hydrant in front of his house like a little Canadiens player. He would sit outside as he got older, watching us play ball hockey in street. I just thought it was an old man. My father one day whispered, “do you know who that is?”
        Great Memories.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Yes, Toe should be next, for all that he did for the team, which Habitant in Surrey, to his credit, has passionately argued and fought for.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Absolutely Toe should be next!

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        No, it’s time to continue the traditions, not keep looking back. Most fans won’t remember seeing Durnan, Blake, many won’t remember Lemaire or Shutt for that matter, time for some fresh blood.

        • marlboro says:

          So If you had your choice to retire 3 sweaters in the next 3 years, who would you chose? Any player who played starting 1980 till present.

        • GrosBill says:

          Patrick Roy is the recent “fresh blood”.

          Keep in mind that players waited decades to have their numbers retired.

          I also don’t want to see numbers up there that shouldn’t be just because we want some “fresh blood”.

  14. Luke says:

    Good Morning!

    1) Over/Under: PK scores 18.5 goals this year?

    2) Who wins the Grey Cup first, Tebow or Manziel?

  15. THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

    Don’t know what the big deal is about with Gorges. He wasn’t going to be around in the future anyway and MB is trying to keep this team a playoff team until they are good enough to compete for a Stanley Cup, that’s way down the road. when you run a Business it’s about money, Playoffs is money and the further you can go it’s more money if you win the cup, it’s an extra bonus….17 Games this year, that’s a lot of money for Mr. Molson and I bet he told MB great job keep it going….

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      He also was NOT going to be a Top 4 with the Habs this year.

      GMMB was clear in his press conference that he needed more Left/Right balance and that Emelin (2 years of a full NTC) was moving back to the left side.

      With the Markov signing and Emelin, the only place left for Gorges was an Even Strength 3rd pairing and some PK time.

      You don’t pay a 3rd pair Dman $3.9M, and you certainly don’t keep that same one around for another 4 years ,especially with MUCH cheaper contracts Beaulieu ($925K) and Tinordi ($870K) needing playing time.

      • THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

        All makes sense Ronn, save money for the money you have to pay out and we’ll still have a pretty good team.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Truth

          The other factor was that if Gorges was not moved, the Habs would now have only $11.2M left and need to sign both Subban and Eller.

          A Cap reserve is also always needed for injury call ups that are not LTIR.
          Something had to change, it it was Gorges that was deemed expendable.

          • THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

            I’m not so sure about signing Eller. Myself I would try and trade him for a good 20 goal left winger to go with Galchenyuk at center on the 2nd line with Gallagher, Pleks would be perfect for the 3rd line. we gotta find out if Galchenyuk is gonna be the star we are expecting to lead this team in the future up front.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      Gorges had to go, and dragging it out while waiting for a better deal could have hurt team chemistry. Gorges seems a popular guy. The players know it’s a business, but they have friendships. Moving him quickly was smart, especially given his public statements.
      Salary had to go pay Subban, and so he had to go fast. Tinordi and Beaulieu were coming along cheaply, and Weaver is a much cheaper veteran.

  16. Mavid ® says:

    How stupid is that..have to put dashes between the letters..get a real person to mod..please..
    I still need to know if the Summit is kid friendly..my little pal Quinn is a die hard habs fan..it would be the thrill of his life but I don’t want to bring him if there is no other kids or most of the off time is spent in bars were he is not allowed..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Mary, there were several kids who attended last year’s Summit although some of the after hour activities are for the grown ups. :)

    • Cal says:

      You can call me Ray,
      You can call me Jay,
      But you don’t have to call me J-ohn-son. ;)

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I believe the main meeting is going to be held in a hall this year, rather than a bar, so that should ease some of your worries. But you might want to ask Ian for a list of who will be attending before committing to bringing Quinn. You wouldn’t want a lad of impressionable age to have his personality shaped by unhealthy influences. Worse, he could get embroiled in lengthy debates about line combinations, trade scenarios and coaching decisions that could leave him emotionally scarred.
      Other than that he should have fun.

  17. Mavid ® says:

    91

    S-c-o-t-l-a-n-d…E-n-g-l-a-n-d and F-r-a-n-c-e

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  18. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ 24 Cups

    Re Louis Leblanc

    According to Forbes Magazine, there are approximately 1645 Billionaires in the world.
    In the NHL, there are only 690 jobs.

    That says the odds are tougher to become an NHL player that it is to become a Billionaire.

    So what does that all mean?
    You had better be +100% Totally committed mentally and physically from an early age to ever hope of being an NHL player…and as a Canadian, the numbers show that only 51.8% of players during the 2013-14 season were Canadian born.

    http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality-totals/nhl-players-2013-14-stats.html

    Leblanc was never a supreme talent and it would take hard work…then the ‘unknown unknowns.’

    While it’s both easy and amusing to speculate what happened with Leblanc and the Habs organization, perhaps we will never really know both sides of the story…1 question being, did he REALLY love the game, and was he willing to sacrifice like a Gallagher?

    His tennis friend Aleksandra Wozniak certainly didn’t help things with her tweets last year.
    If you are GMMB and team (Dudley-Carriere-Mellanby-Lapointe-Brisebois) and the Habs and Hamilton coaches, you couldn’t be thrilled with this:

    ” He did everything the CH organisation told him to do and what…got cut this early?!,” she wrote in English on her Twitter account @alekswoz. “Oh and the reason…worst excuse ever!! This is wrong!”

    Wozniak also voiced her displeasure in French. “Une vrai joke avec la pire excuse pour “cuter” quelqu’un!!,” she added. “Vraiment pas un ‘fair shot’! Trop de manipulations! Super nouvelle organisation!” (“A real joke with the worst excuse for cutting someone. Really not a ‘fair shot!’ Too much manipulation!”)

    The tweets were later removed, but the obvious damage was done

    • Captain aHab says:

      Thank you….I wonder if the kid didn’t think that he would be with the Habs by right…..thought I remember reading too that he didn’t bulk up much. So was he putting in the effort? With him being bright, I guess he may also have been looking at the concussion issue and wondering if it was worth it.

      No one really knows what went on but think about this: with the Habs always interested in francophone talent, I would think they would have done due diligence in his case.

      —————-
      Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Paz says:

      Leblanc was the most talented at several points in his career.

      He was the most talented 15,16 year old in Quebec
      He was the best 17 year old in the USHL
      He was the best 18 year old in his league at Harvard

      Imagine, just for a moment, how badly he was treated for his girlfriend to go public with the information. It must have been pretty bad. She and he wanted to be traded at that point. They knew what they were doing.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Just my thought and I’m sure there are exceptions to this but there is a reason why the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL are not loaded with folks who came from privileged homes.

      I wonder if that may be part of the reason Louie never pushed to the next level?

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Jim

        Talking with some guys over the years, and certainly not trying to generalize things, that thought pattern does exist.

        Something about burning desire without high profile/money paying options vs. actually having some privileged options be that by birth or education.

        In most pro sports, the backgrounds of the vast majority show very humble beginnings – hence, the sole focussed desire to achieve the Pro ranks and not have to return to whatever

      • Paz says:

        He’s not from a privileged home, Jim. Middle class.

    • JUST ME says:

      Funny that you bring it up but i also think that Wozniak`s comments were ill advised and did not help Leblanc`s situation.

      I will never blame him for being brought in the NHL too soon and just hope that people will think of him when they ask for a kid to graduate in a men`s world in the future…

      But still it was then (and now ) time for Leblanc to dig deep, work hard and stay low profile . People need to realize that there are huge steps between junior,AHL and NHL and that those need to be delt with one at a time. Only a very few gifted players can skip a level as there were back then in school that would skip a grade remember ?

      If you do not deal with nature`s law then you end up with a very average player as Leblanc became in a bleu-blanc-rouge jersey and will need years of recovery to come back to his full potential if he ever gets there.

      Can t win them all i guess and Leblanc`s draft choice at the moment seemed the only one to make but circumstances did not evolve in his favor . Him being traded away seems for us as if the organization admits defeat but actually most of the drafted players do not make it and never see their name reach the spotlights but Leblanc`s did…

    • franco says:

      Maybe 1645 billionaires, but that number changes very slowly over years.

      690 hockey jobs is constantly changing over a few years, so it is hard to say how many players come and go over said period.

      There are many Leblancs out there that do not make it, they stick around a few years and move on and eventually make it or fade away.

      Lets look at Leblanc he got his first year of Harvard, so he is always welcome back….no problem there.

      Took a shot a pro hockey, recieved a $270,000.00 signing bonus. Played on the Canadiens for about 50 games, so he made about $700,000.00, he made $67,000.00 a year for 3 years at Hamilton.

      He now gets a fresh start in California with a chance of catching on somewhere. He did well for himself over the past 3 years or so.

      Better money then most on here can claim to have made.

      If he does okay in California he will make 2.7 million over 3 years.

      Many people would love to fail like this.

    • Maksimir says:

      I looked it up and LeBlanc not invited to Duck’s Dev Camp. Maybe he got a pass?

  19. rice says:

    how can Hickey get his article so wrong with respect to Koberstein.

  20. 24 Cups says:

    So how about that Gorges trade for a mid level 2nd rounder:)

    Here comes Part 2. The Anaheim Ducks will relinquish their fifth round selection in the 2015 draft to Montreal if Louis Leblanc plays in 15 games during the 2014-’15 NHL season. If not, I presume that the Habs let Leblanc go for nothing.

    Leblanc has to clear waivers and right now sits 5th or 6th on the Anaheim RW depth chart. We can’t predict the 2014-15 season but there appears to be a 50/50 chance that the Habs will lose a mid level 1st rounder for nothing.

    Would it not have been better to bring Leblanc to camp and let him compete against Sekac, Andrighetto and De La Rose for the 14th spot? If need be, then try and move him in early October?

    Years ago I made the point that Leblanc was making a mistake by leaving Harvard for junior hockey. That sometimes life experiences override those of the jaded hockey world. Most HI/O posters disagreed with that notion but I wonder what thoughts go through Leblanc’s head as he looks back at a hockey career that is now in tatters. He simply may not have the talent to make the grade but I also feel that mismanagement by Hab management is partly to blame.

    Hindsight is so easy but not having any tangible 1st rounders from 2006, 2008 and 2009 has hurt the Hab development program. Lessons to be learned I suppose.

    24 Cups

    • JF says:

      Steve – As far as the Gorges trade is concerned, I think Bergevin’s hand was forced by the leak in Toronto. He couldn’t let the situation drag on. Still, Minnesota’s second-rounder in 2016 does seem a low price; Buffalo’s second-rounder next year would have been fine. The low return for Gorges was my one quibble with Bergevin’s moves on July 1.

      As for Leblanc, the biggest factor influencing his development could be the serious ankle injury he suffered last year(2012-13). His recovery was slow and he tumbled down our depth chart, to be overtaken first by Bournival and then by De La Rose and possibly others. If Bergevin had decided to keep him with a view to moving him in October, he would have had to sign him to an entry-level contract, which could have become a problem had he not then found a taker for Leblanc. I guess he felt it was in the best interests of all parties to cut ties and allow Leblanc a fresh start elsewhere.

      But yes, with hindsight, Harvard would have been a better option for Leblanc. Also with hindsight, it was perhaps a mistake to draft him in the first place – a mistake that might well not have been made had the 2009 draft not been held in Montreal.

      There are always mistakes and lessons to be learned. The Habs’ development program certainly suffered from the absence of first-rounders in those years, as well as from the loss of the second-rounders we were in the habit of handing over at the trade deadline. But Bergevin and his team seem to be doing a good job of restocking the system. If Jiri Sekac pans out, that is tantamount to getting a free draft pick with the added advantage that the player is 22 and has been playing against men for the last three years. Just the fact that Sekac chose Montreal is great. We almost never land any of these free, undrafted players who are floating around. Perceptions seem to be changing.

      • Captain aHab says:

        He was drafted at a rank that pretty much fit what pundits thought….he just didn’t pan out. Time to let it go.

        And holding out for more on Gorges could have been a huge gamble…once Gorges felt slighted, having him stay on the team would have been a big issue. And, as others have mentioned, it was a salary dump.

        —————-
        Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Captain aHab says:

      I mean how much do you really think you can get for a guy who hasn’t shown much in his young career and who now has to clear waivers? A second rounder? To me if the kid had stayed at Harvard, there’s just as much of a chance that he would have ended up dropping hockey and becoming a doctor or whatever. Hindsight is indeed 20/20….

      —————-
      Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Paz says:

      It was a Gainey move that changed Leblanc’s career.
      Gainey approached Leblanc and let him know that he would be fast tracked to the NHL if he left school and played Junior.

      Good news is,
      He can return to Harvard, in the same program, any time he wants for the rest of his life. That is the Harvard way. But he will have to find a way to pay the tuition.

    • franco says:

      He picked up over a $1,000,000.00 for his trouble.

      He can go back to Harvard if things in California do not work out.

      He willl make $2,700,000.00 in California if things work out.

      Hockey career in ‘taters’….it was worth it, and he is still going. Time will tell, but I think he did okay for himself.

    • franco says:

      Gorges got caught in a numbers game, they had no room for him. Weaver fills the bill and he is a lot cheaper. New defensemen have to play somewhere. 2nd rounder sounds about right for someone that needed a new home.

  21. CJ says:

    Good morning folks.

    Looks like a beauty day in the Capital. I’m off to the golf course. Enjoy your day! There should be plenty of information from the development camp today. The boys have a full schedule. Should provide some fodder this evening.

    Cheers, CJ

  22. Habitant in Surrey says:

    pic.twitter.com/Q51TZld1rh

    Magic Johnny’s-son bumped-into P.K. in Monaco and tweeted their photo.

    P.K. must be close to signing, because He is negotiating to put a down-payment for Sheik Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz al Saud’s used-yacht ?

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    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  23. Habitant in Surrey says:

    On tsn.ca, I just viewed their video feature ‘Franchise Face-off’, debating whom would You select as Your Franchise player, …Ryan McDonaugh or P.K. Subban.

    I was thinking They were both Gauthier/Timmins/Habs’ picks …Both could be Habs’ ‘franchise Players’ today for the Habs….wow, what a 1-2 punch They would have been on Our D.

    Makes You wince, doesn’t it :)

    On the other hand, both are 25 and both would have to be ‘paid’.

    We likely couldn’t afford to pay both any way, unless the rest of the Team were AHLers.

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  24. Un Canadien errant says:

    Way past my bedtime, but I did fall asleep on the couch after dinner, so maybe that’ll cancel itself out.

    I’ll sign off with this great Andrei Markov video, which I believe was put together by the guys at HabsTV when he signed his contract in June 2011. I’ve been searching for it there for a while now and couldn’t find it. Sure enough, I just stumbled on it on YouTube.

    Very well done, and the theme applies now that he’s re-signed for three more years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE7K0kJ3lGk

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  25. Habitant in Surrey says:

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    • superkev420 says:

      I have tried to sign the petition, but my computer doesnt have the right software. I think its Java or something thats holding it back. You can sign it for me, my name is Kevin Labrosse.

  26. habs001 says:

    Reality is that people who get their entertainment illegally have many excuses of why they are doing it but the truth is they would continue to do it no matter what price the services were reduced to…Your not really any different than a shoplifter but you try to justify it.

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    Magic John-Son runs into P.K. in Monaco of all places, and tweets out the picture. P.K. looks like any Canadian college boy looking for some spring break action, with his Canadian flag tank top. Gotta love him.

    I can’t put up the link, tried once and the gremlins gobbled it up, so just Google the basketball HOF great and the word twitter, and you’ll get there.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  28. JohnBellyful says:

    Saw a worrisome piece on CBC news tonight about how soccer is overtaking hockey as Canada’s favourite sport, what with changing demographics in the country, and the rising cost of playing minor hockey having an impact on registration numbers.
    Clearly NHL and its partners need to do something to reverse this trend. The first step would be to copy some of the things that make soccer so appealing (I can’t believe I wrote that).
    Here are a few suggestions:
    1.) Allow players to kick the puck in the net.
    2.) When players do score, scream ‘GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLL!
    3.) Players must wear helmets, it’s a given. But allow them to individualize their head gear with Chia Pets. They can grow their ‘helmet piece’ to whatever length they want and in whatever style they wish. Green hair might not be to everyone’s liking but players could dust them with a preferred colour.
    4.) All penalty shots and shootout attempts must be taken from 10 feet out. The shooter may take a few steps to approach the puck before firing it on net. The netminder can only move laterally along the goal line.
    5.) To add drama to the game, players must collapse to the ice as if shot whenever an opponent makes contact, no matter how slight. Oh, right, the NHL is well on its way to mastering those theatrics.
    6.) Replace skate boots with soccer shoes equipped with cleats that have a mini-blade attached to each.
    7.) Allow referees to yellow and red card players.
    8.) Replace HNIC and Sportsnet play-by-play announcers with their soccer counterparts from Britain.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Let’s call this the Gary Bettman effect. That colossal moron sold his sport to the highest Canadian bidder for 12 years, never mind that they’re the biggest shamateurs of the three former rights holders. Their errant camera work, their shoddy direction, the way their talking heads break away from the action to interview someone in the stands and make you miss the next faceoff, the way John Shorthouse has to tell me after every Canucks goal that Ms. Janice Cullingworthinghamptonson of Smithers B.C. just won a combo toaster oven/karaoke machine courtesy of the good folks at Try’N’Save. Their baffling insistence on employing Nick Kypreos as an ‘analyst’, despite his worthless career as a hockey goon whose only impact on the game ever was to dive into Grant Fuhr and blow out his ACL, ending the HOF goalie’s career.

      So yeah, great deal right? Gary got every team an extra couple mill a year compared to the penultimate bid. Big win.

      Except now TSN and CBC have to look for other content. And they have to drive ratings for that other content. So they’re going to be promoting CFL and soccer and athletics and skiing and whatever other sport they’re going to fill their air time with. The NHL won’t be the default lead story on SportsCentre any more. Shane Foxman on CBC might push the Whitecaps and amateur sports a little more during his 6 o’clock sports segment on CBC Vancouver news. And so on.

      The NHL is the 900 000 pound gorilla in the modern TV broadcasting game. It can dictate its terms. It’s one of the very few ‘appointment television’ programs left in the landscape, one which viewers prefer not to PVR and save to watch later, or catch online on a jumpy stream. They prefer to sit down and watch it in high def.

      So the league could have easily dictated its terms, wrung as much money from the three national broadcasters (or more), and play them off each other. Driven competition between them, in terms of on-air talent, and production values, and promotional considerations. Broken off chunks from one package (HNIC) to give to others, to ensure full coverage and fewer blackouts. Created other packages (Sunday Night Hockey, Thursday ‘Game of the Week’, outdoor games, etc).

      Instead, he gave one network a monopoly, and the other two networks idle hands, and air time they have to fill. Really bright. Gary Bettman could have carpet bombed the Canadian TV landscape, ensuring that any channel you turn to, it’s hockey programming or promos, 24/7. Instead he ghetto-ized his league for a few pieces of silver.

      Just like he mismanaged with the U.S. NBC deal, when he should have spread his product to different networks, shared the wealth. Fox, CBS, they’ve also started up specialty sports networks and online presence to compete with ESPN, you don’t think they’re looking for pro sports programming? Gary, you’re always talking about ‘growing the game’, wouldn’t this have been a good time to grow the game, expand its reach, instead of restricting it to one outlet? The NFL, NBA and MLB all have at least three channels that carry their games. Wouldn’t it have been wise to enter into shorter deals with two or more carriers, and kickstart viewership by reaching more eyeballs, forcing more promos? You’ve heard of the term investment right? It’s kind of the opposite meaning of selling out, or cashing in.

      Gary Bettman thought grabbing the golden goose by the neck and spinning it around in the air vigorously might accelerate that egg production.

      So yeah, expect lots more glowing reviews of soccer, and any sport other than hockey as the other networks try to build a market for their properties.

      But yeah, please, all you Gary Bettman apologists, please weigh in on how he’s great for business and a tough negotiator, and how his owners are getting rich from his arrogant preck persona. I’m all ears. And so is he, that little gerbil.

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      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Thurston says:

      The rising costs are the main reason. Minor hockey players have to pay for equipment, subsidize hourly ice rates at their local arenas etc.
      Costs are far less for soccer.

  29. Rad says:

    A quick comment on the Josh Gorges trade. If Bergevin had waited another day or so, I think Gorges would have accepted Toronto as a destination. In one of his post-trade interviews Josh hinted that he was rethinking TO, but by then the trade to Buffalo had been consummated. Bergevin probably knew that he could have waited and still got Franson for Gorges, but he chose the Buffalo deal because he ended up with the Wild’s 2nd Round pick in addition to signing a pretty good free agent RH defenseman in Tom Gilbert. Franson may be marginally better than Gilbert, but Gilbert plus the 2nd Rounder made the trade to Buffalo more palatable than a 1 for 1 deal with Toronto. My point is that the Buffalo trade was not necessarily Plan B, but that it was Bergevin’s preferred deal.

    One more factor to consider in the Franson scenario is that he is RFA, which created an additional uncertainty in trading for him. If Bergevin really wanted Franson, he is in all likelihood STILL available — perhaps even for the 2nd Round pick we obtained from the Sabres.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I was pretty much of that opinion, that receiving Cody Franson in trade, or a second rounder and signing Tom Gilbert as a UFA on a very reasonable contract roughly evened out, and that since I prefer the short-term contract of Gilbert while Greg Pateryn, Magnus Nygren, Morgan Ellis, Darren Dietz, Dalton Thrower, etc, get their game ready, versus the investment that would be required in Cody Franson, I was happy how that deal turned out. Tack on Mike Weaver on the right side on another cheap deal, and we’re set.

      So in my mind:

      Tom Gilbert (short-term UFA) + 2nd rounder + Mike Weaver > Cody Franson + Mike Weaver

      But it’s been pointed out that it might not have been either Cody Franson or Tom Gilbert, but maybe the plan was Cody Franson and Tom Gilbert. Only once the Cody Franson deal fell through and Marc Bergevin pulled the trigger on the Buffalo trade did he turn to Mike Weaver as a fallback option, possibly.

      So the equation might have been instead:

      Cody Franson + Tom Gilbert (short-term UFA) > Tom Gilbert (short-term UFA) + 2nd rounder + Mike Weaver

      We’re really headed far into conjecture here, but it’s still fun to discuss. I would have preferred Cody Franson and Tom Gilbert, but I’m still very, very happy with how things turned out.

  30. krob1000 says:

    OZ…the reason I am comparing the contracts when they were signed is because the Gorges contract goes into the future..NOW is now but his contract has a future that will land him at same age and cost as those other guys (only there will be no buyouts)…the future space is huge with the gorges trade…more valuable then the pick IMO…

    The Sabres needed top get to the floor…they know they are in a growing stage..so they chose to spend their money on character…they didn’t even give up their own pick. They brought in some consummate pros…something their organization lacked. Gleason and Volchenkov are better off in teams that are trying to make the playoffs. Other players have been bought out too that were pretty good…is Brad Richards really a 2 mill player? he must be chump? these guys are already collecting a paycheque and everyone knows it so no one overpays for them. If Gorges had been the compliance buyout …what do you honestrly think he would have got on the open market with people knowing tha he was bought out? my guess…slightly more than Volchenkov and Gleason…probably around 2 e per season…he is probably worth 2.5…but no one would pay him that much.
    Saying welll Buff hhe was worth it is like saying Colorado thinks BRIere is worth 4 per season still

  31. jrshabs1 says:

    It looks like MB had to play his hand early with Gorges. NHL GM’s are learning the hard way…don’t deal with the leafs. The Toronto media is so far up the collective arseses of the leafs brass they need a breath mint everytime they open thier mouths. Why would any GM want to go through this crap every time they deal with the leafs? Doesn’t anybody else find it ironic that Fransons name was mentioned 2 or 3 days after Gorges was thrown head 1st under the TTC double decker? Good for Gorges for telling the leafs no thanks. The leaf franshise is poison, it sullies everything it touches.

    Go Habs Go!!!!!

    • krob1000 says:

      I have no doubt the TO media uses it’s influence to disrupt the HAbs….seen it too many times, Kostitsyn’s, Sundin, Subban, suspensions and how hey are portrayed, Gorges, etc. Toronto media is made up of mostly To fans…but they are the HUB of much the hockey news output…so of course they do what they can to help their team….that is how I view it anyway. If Subban were a Leaf I doubt they would be saying he should get 10 million and all of these other crazy numbers.

  32. Marc10 says:

    Happy summer HIO homies! I trust everyone is enjoying the off-season and putting in quality time with hockey widows/husbands/partners and long neglected friends and family…

    I’ve been enjoying some of the discussions on the thread. A few thoughts on what’s been happening.

    1) Brazil found out today why the Germans call their team the “Mannschaft”. That was on hell of a trip to the woodshed. I thought the TV producers were especially cruel in showing fans crying. I hope they don’t sue for defamation.

    2) We’ll miss Gorges shot blocking, but it’s a relief to get him off the books long term. Beaulieu is going to skate into the top 4 this year. It’s his time and he has the skills. I expect a lively discussion on how MB/MT really screwed up not bringing him up faster vs the MB/MT really know how to develop kids (my position).

    3) Danny B going is also a good move. PA will deliver more. As we’re getting the better player, trade won (provisionally).

    4) The PK scenario gets more interesting from here on in. Clearly there was an opportunity to lock him down to reasonable money (a gamble MB and co weren’t willing to take). Now that he’s a proven playoff beast and Norris Trophy winner, we pay. To quote Han Solo: “I have a bad feeling about this…” A two year window to get him signed before he goes to UFA is going to be a very short time to make a big call. I’m no longer so optimistic this gets done. Meehan and Subbidoo seem hell bent on getting F U money this time around.

    5) Love that Weise and Weaver are back.

    6) Gio and Vanek’s goal input hasn’t been replaced unless we get “Bourque and Eller Playoff Mode” performance for a good chunk of the season and Chucky steps up significantly. Big ask.

    7) TB got some really good players for this upcoming season. They overpaid for Callahan. He’s going to be a useless shell of a player in two-three years time (hello David Clarkson), but he’s good value now… and he brought them Boyle at a discount. You carry Boyle throughout the season and he turns into Bickle when it matters. Not bad at all. I suspect they do well this coming season.

    8) Boston is in trouble. They are going to hurt badly if Chara continues his downward trend. I love it. Rask proved he can’t win against the Habs. We are back being their nemesis. I shall enjoy these next 10 years, if only for that.

    9) I want Adam Oates or Guy Boucher to replace Gallant. I hope they’re on the list and I hope they’re interested.

    10) Loved the Kladno kid saying his gut told him to go with the Habs. Contrast that with local boy DBoyle who wanted to become a Ranger… At least not all UFAs shun us anymore. It’s a small victory. One day I hope Quebec born players in their prime man up and join the team when they’re still relevant. At least Euro guys have received the memo.

    My two cents.

    Enjoy your holidays if you’re lucky enough to get some time off. Training camp is just around the corner…

    Go Habs Go!

    • PK says:

      Good post, Marc.
      Hope that you are enjoying the “winter”
      Cheers!

      >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

      – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      2) It’s amazing how many itches that trade scratched. I’m a little surprised that Josh actually netted a second-rounder, and that the Leafs were dangling Cody Franson, an asset which before Randy Carlyle damaged it was highly prized.

      The thing is, the Leafs were trying to make a dramatic move to reshape their culture, they valued him highly. So did the Sabres, who weren’t quite so desperate maybe. On the other hand, Marc Bergevin clearly stated that he wanted to turn over the team to his young veterans; we wanted to clear out that aspect of Josh, his leadership style and personality, that the Leafs were craving.

      The upshot is that we now are clear of those four more years at approx. $4M per. I was dreading these remaining years, am so relieved they’re off the books now.

      And we divest ourselves of a lefty d-man, shortly after Andrei Markov re-signed for three more years. Before that deal was done, I’d understand Marc Bergevin wanting to hold on to Josh, he’d be important if Andrei left. Once Andrei was sewn up, we now had a glut on the left side, and a backlog with Nathan and Jarred waiting for their turn.

      Trading Josh solved so many issues, made so many dominoes fall into place, that I can’t even imagine questioning the return. Unloading the contract, freeing up the left side, AND getting an asset? It’s a homerun.

      I referred to a few days ago the old joke about one teammate being told by another teammate that a third teammate has just been traded. The first teammate replies:

      “Great trade. Who did we get?”

      Again, this is normally used to make a point about an unpopular teammate, the ‘locker room cancer’. This in no way describe our situation with Josh, but I’ve been so worried about his contract, about the four more years, about his style of play and what he contributes, what he brings to the mix, that when TSN announced that he had been traded to Buffalo, I was already overjoyed. To remove him from our roster, without any cap hit, buyout, or retained salary, was a major win. Any return was a cherry on the sundae. And a second-rounder is a very nice topping to how that all resolved itself.

      3) Agreed.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2014/06/daniel-briere-is-traded-to-colorado-pa.html

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2014/07/more-musings-on-pa-parenteau-for-daniel.html

      4) Don’t quite agree about the F.U. money. P.K. loves the Canadiens, wants to stay here. He’s not Ryan Johansen or Evander Kane, ambivalent or worse about the team he plays for. P.K. loves the big stage, and I have to think he goes to bed at night dreaming about leading the Habs to a Stanley Cup. That’s at least as important to him as the money is.

      Don Meehan and Marc Bergevin are professional, competent men. They both want to get a deal done, and they will.

      5) Agreed. Pleasantly surprised, impressed with how Dale Weise fit into the team, I wasn’t expecting him to have that kind of impact after seeing him play countless times in Vancouver. I thought the Raphaël Diaz trade for him was a win at the outset, since the d-man was about to reach UFA status and we weren’t going to retain him, but didn’t think it would be this lopsided.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2014/02/canadiens-trade-raphael-diaz-to.html

      Mike Weaver is fine on a cheap one-year deal. One caveat is that some think that if the Leafs trade had gone through, we’d have Cody Franson and Tom Gilbert, instead of Tom Gilbert, Mike Weaver and a second-rounder. Just based on his reputation and the TSN-slurping he received, I think Cody Franson must be a valuable commodity, and I would have preferred the former package.

      Having said that, Mike Weave will do fine as the cost-effective #6-7 veteran d-man who can be flipped for a draft pick at the deadline if Magnus Nygren or Greg Pateryn take his spot and make him expendable. No-brainer, can’t lose acquisition.

      6) Yeah, I think we’re improved from the team we had at the start of last season, but maybe not the playoff incarnation. Tomas Vanek is hard to replace. I’m heartened though by Marc Bergevin saying he’s comfortable with the idea of taking a step back in the standings, that he’s looking two or three years down the road.

      7) Tampa is the sexy pre-season pick by all the experts. Like the Oilers were last season.

      8) Say more things like that.

      9) I like both choices. I’m more partial to Guy Boucher, if only to stock the NHL pond with more francophone coaching and management talent. It helps to have options when you go looking. Plus, I think Guy Boucher got a raw deal in Tampa, getting fired because his team lost, because his GM didn’t get him a goalie. I also like that he’s from our organization, he had great results with the Bulldogs.

      Adam Oates gets a sympathy vote from me, how he overcame his disability. It can’t be easy to coach an NHL team while trapped within the confines of that horrible facelift.

      10) Agreed, our team isn’t a clown college anymore, players want to come play in Montréal. Tom Gilbert said he tried to come last season but it didn’t work out. Mike Weaver was only too happy to return. Josh is crushed to leave. Jiri Sekac chooses our team over a dozen suitors. Winning helps, and so does having a professional management team.

      I’ve written before how I spent almost two decades not watching the Canadiens. I had other interests, roommates or significant others who wouldn’t allow me to sit down for three hours and watch a game on TV, when “Sex and the City” was on, or parties had to be attended. I was focused on other things, once you stop paying attention it’s amazing how quickly the importance of NHL hockey falls down the rankings. The fortuitous thing is that this coincided largely with the Réjean Houle years and the calamitous convulsions that followed.

      But once in a while, as I wandered in the desert, I’d come sniffing back. Maybe a game was on at the pub, or I was in a hotel somewhere with nothing to do, and an expense account that wouldn’t abide my Pay Per View choices. So I’d watch a game with all these strange players and weird jersey numbers, and it was very hard to believe this was my team, my Canadiens. Radek Bonk is on the Canadiens? And Andreas Dackell is one of the important off-season acquisitions? Aren’t they both failed Senators? Oleg Petrov, is he as good as a Larionov or Makarov? Joey Juneau? Wasn’t he a Bruin? Why are we not fending him off with a twelve-foot pole?

      They were an ugly bunch, very difficult to love. So rather than serve my penance as other Habs fans did, I took time off. And have come back just in time for the next period of greatness of our Canadiens. I can taste it, it’s right around the corner, we’re bound to win Cups soon, all our prospects can’t possibly all flunk out, the future is too bright…

      ———————————————————————–
      My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

      • Marc10 says:

        Nice post UCE. Always a pleasure. I hope you’re right about PK. He is my favourite player and I know he cares about the Habs. I wanted him signed for the full eight years at 5 or 6 back in the day. Who knows if that would have worked out… Would cashed up PK still have won a Norris? We’ll never know. I just don’t like the optics at this point, but I’ll trust MB to get it done. He’s clearly the best GM we’ve had since Savard drafted a cup winner in the early eighties.

        I also had a hiatus with my Habs. I was in Japan for seven years before moving to Oz and my 28K modem/Netscape browser combo didn’t allow me to see just how bad the Habs did get under Rejean… Good thing too!

        I remember going back home and then to a game with my brother at the old Forum and being flabbergasted by ‘la bande chaudron’ we had on the ice. That was when Therrien had his canary yellow jacket as I recall. We played the Sens on the night and I was going in with my 23-0 streak at the Forum (ie, I had never seen our team lose live). We had seats in the white at center ice… Not too hard to get in those days… Well my winning streak died that night. Alexei Yashin tagged the boys for two or three and looked like the second coming of Makarov or Krutov. The Bad News Habs made a game of it (I think Craig Darby scored a goal) and Theo kept the score respectable, but they ended up folding 4-2. There was no sellout streak on at that time, no salary cap, and the Leafs were rolling in the money while we iced what looked like an average AHL team. I stopped actively following the boys for a spell after that night. $10 beer really tastes something awful when you’re watching a team that can’t tie the other team’s laces…

        Eventually Koivu and co brought me back when Gillette bought the team and the marketing improved dramatically… but we still were a middling team with no real superstar. And then Kovy landed. I think I started following HIO around that time. I predicted a 13th place finish for the boys in 08 (how could we hope to win with AK46 as our number one winger?!) and of course the lads finished first in the Conference. It didn’t work out in the post season, but with Carbo and Captain Kirk around and Bob at the helm, I had high hopes… We know how all that worked out.

        Well this time, it’s not a ‘feu de paille’. Geoff Molson has hired the right man and opened the purse strings. Gone is the Ghost and his introvert mentor, hall of fame Bob. In are a team of knowledgeable, well-connected, accountable hockey experts who aren’t afraid of speaking to the public. No one is counting cookies in this joint or trading guys mid game and keeping their sweater. We’re finally back with a first class organisation… and the world outside of Vinny Lecavalier, Marty St Louis and Dan Boyle knows it. Gimme a Weaver, a Weise and a Secak. In the not too distant future it’s going to be a Hossa. I’m there with you… The blueprint is finally coming together.

  33. myron.selby says:

    I think MB could have gotten more for Gorges if he’d had the luxury of waiting and shopping him around. Unfortunately, that hit the skids when some idiot in the Leafs organization leaked the deal to Bob McKenzie. Once it became public knowledge it turned into a 3 ring circus.

    It forced Bergevin to make the best deal he could as quickly as possible. I strongly suspect that he won’t be accepting any calls from Nonis in the near future. I don’t think he was impressed with the way that whole thing got away on them.

    EDIT: hmm I see HabinBurlington made pretty much the same point while I was typing this out. Another case of great minds think alike I guess.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You clarified it better, and I think Dreger was the culprit, along with Nonis who is to NHL GM’s what the Hamburgler is today to McDonalds, irrelevant. I really think the scenario escalated quickly, and MB tried to act in both Gorges and the Habs best interest.

      CHeers Myron!

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Agree. I think he is worth more than a 2nd rounder. MB was handicapped and had to pull the trigger.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      No question when word got out Bergevin was forced to play his hand quicker than he might have wanted. No doubt Bergevin was peeved (being polite here) when he said the leak didn’t come from the Habs organization.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      I suspect the player agent leaked it. His client didn’t want to go to TO, so he wanted more GMs calling MB (although I’m sure MB had already spoken to most). I don’t see why the Leafs would have wanted that to happen.

  34. HabinBurlington says:

    So that was a good day, acceptable football result (with plenty of jäger and beer) followed by a slo-pitch beer league win! Now I just need to wake up tomorrow!

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Lol! Went to a Dortmund Schalke game,German fans celebrate the best, and ive been plenty of places

    • Ozmodiar says:

      A little disappointed that Germany decided to kick the extra point rather than go for 2.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Was almost an awkward game to watch after the 28 minute mark. Was shocked at how it all unfolded, momentum swung huge and the game ended quickly. I only hope Die Mannschafft realize that was just 1 game, and still nothing has been accomplished.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          They have so much poise near the net. Those little lateral/square passes when there was an option to shoot were killing the Brazilians who were giving up too early on some plays.

        • PK says:

          There you are!
          HIO members were wondering what happened to you as we watched the match.
          Hopefully, Oktoberfest in July.

          >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
          _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

          “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

          – Nostradamus, 1552

  35. krob1000 says:

    Re the Gorges conversation below…MB did a masterful job IMO in that case. People can say he did not get enough but two very comparable players in Tim Gleason and Volchenkov just got bought out on similar deals….they were then signed for pocket change. Habs got Gilbert, Weaver, get to move Emelin over, have cap room moving forward and did so while obtaining assets…truly incredible if you ask me. I would have thought the only way you could move the Gorges contract would be to retain salary myself.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think the minute that gorges refused going to T.O. It became a difficult uncomfortable scenario. Gorges was shocked, surprised and most likely not happy, MB needed to deal with an untenable situation quickly. Yes he could have received more, but what damage to how he treated Gorges? I think MB acted acted in the best interest of the Habs as a classy organization. Perhaps why we could sign Sebak and hopefully others.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Gorges plays a similar game to these 2 players, but you can’t really compare them value-wise. Gorges is better than both at this point.

      Agreed that MB did a good job considering the circumstances.

      • krob1000 says:

        disagree…I would take Gleason because he is a mean SOB and plays a similar game. Volchenkov IMo is a clone of Gorges…gives him a run every year for shot blocking and adds little offense. Now in retrospect I think the plan was always to move Gorges…it explains the constant pp use and overusage…it worked too.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          If these guys are as good as Gorges, then I wonder why the Sabres didn’t trade for them instead of Gorges? They probably would have cost a cheaper 7th round pick but still no trade. No trade to any team.

          I also wonder, if they’re as good as Gorges, why their new teams only offered 1 year contracts valued @ ~ $1M? I don’t think anyone would put Gorges’ value that low.

          • krob1000 says:

            Take a look at what the teams paid for these guys at Gorges age…same money in a lower cap world. There were only a handful of teams that could use Gorges…his best assets are not hockey related…, his leadership is his biggest asset…..he needed to go to a young team where his hockey was secondary to his mentorship iMO. if he was worth more he would have netted more if we are using that logic. I personally am glad they took back no salary…to me that makes the second that much more appealing. Cap Freedom is gold…it allows you to get these cheaper comparables. I thought Weaver outplayed Gorges in the playoffs myself. I really have Never got the Gorges hype…I appreciate his heart but the hockey has always bothered me…so often an open forward would cut or be in front and Gorges never even gives it a thought. He also has a crazy amount of goals scored where he deflects them or is lying on price….definitely outweighed by his shot blocking but nonetheless must be considered. I do not think he will be missed hockey wise…leadership wise I think the collective effect of all of the vets (BRiere, Gio, Gorges,etc) will have an effect at some point duringa slump,etc….but nothing that should not be overcome or wasn;t necessary with the other dmen on the left side and with Gorges cap hit. I would love to have Gorges on a more reasonable hit with a differnet group of dmen…but Montreal can’t pay him 4 mill for what he brings…Buff can…in fact they needed to take on salary to get to the floor.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Why would we look at contracts they signed in the past when comparing their value TODAY? As I said, value-wise, you can’t compare them (now).

            Last week a team gave up a 2nd round pick and picked up a $3.9M contract for Gorges. Gleason and Volchenkov couldn’t be traded at all, and signed contracts much lower than Gorges’.

            Also…

            Take a look at what the teams paid for these guys at Gorges age…same money in a lower cap world.

            At Gorges’ age? Lower cap world? He and Gleason are a year apart. Both signed ~ $4M contracts that started in the same year. … so, I don’t understand your comment.

  36. Lafleurguy says:

    Lafleur as a past example of a promising young player is not an apt comparison for Galchenyuk. As a poster who’s name I regrettably forget posted earlier, Lafleur impressively scored 175 points in his first three seasons, long before the “Big Three” were an entity. Lafleur’s QMJHL scoring was beyond impressive. He was a “can’t miss” prospect, and he didn’t miss. Too bad about the two-packs a day, but better it was tobacco and not beer, I suppose.

    Beyond another “Big Three,” Rocket, Le Gros Bill, Flower, successful scorers we can look to from the past, with whom to compare Alex G. include Steve Shutt, Vinnie Damphousse, Pierre Mondou, Stephan Lebeau, and perhaps a few others. If Alex G. reaches their levels of achievement, he may have reached his maximum potential. I still think of Lars Eller’s four-goal game as a much higher level of achievement than Alex G.’s best game so far. Lars is no longer a source of lofty expectations, but remains an important component of a potential championship team.

  37. CJ says:

    IMO, there are parallels between the Gorges deal and the Moen file. IMO, a second rounder for Gorges was as good as we might have hoped for. Again, it’s not just the asset, it’s the contract. Gorges, at $2 million, would be worth significantly more. IMO, Tavares, because of his contract, is worth as much as almost any forward in the league. It doesn’t matter what we got for Hal Gill two years ago, or what we gave up for Mathieu Schneider in 2008. The landscape is different today. Plain and simple.

    Regarding Moen, IMO, he’s practically unmovable. Unless Montreal retains salary, who’s going to be willing to take on Moen for nearly $2 million for two more years? I fully expect him to be relegated to Hamilton, placed on waivers, or fitted for a press box photo ID (worst case scenario).

    Why did we get a fifth rounder when acquiring PA Parenteau – because we took on the second year of his contract at $4 million. I don’t think anyone would argue that Briere is better, but because of the contract, Briere actually held more value.

    We may not like it, but that’s the reality of a hard cap, below original estimate.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Pretty accurate, CJ. No way anyone was going to give a first rounder or assets equivalent to same.

      • I think this is a very fair assessment. The moment that news, via Bob McKenzie, swept the hockey world that Josh Gorges, the heir apparent, was on the block, other GM’s started laughing. It wasn’t a good situation, and given the Canadiens’, under Bergevin’s watch, interest in not being complete a-holes, it suited both parties to settle quickly. Did the Habs really want that narrative to last more than a couple days? Can you imagine, had they signed Gilbert, Weaver, and it was August? Someone had to go… a brutal, dog-days sort of scenario, potential overshadowing other moves. A second-rounder of some description is less-yes, less–than what could have been gotten had TO not been the initial trading partner, but speed was of the essence. Anyway, those idiots in TO… really.
        I do, however, have issues imagining playing Buffalo 4 times this year, with Gionta and Gorges there. From a fan point of view, I wish they weren’t both there; however, from a human point of view, I’m glad that they are together.

    • krob1000 says:

      Moen was more moveable then Gorges IMO up until that second concussion…..before that incident he would have been viewed as a versatile bottom 6 guy with a Cup ring, pk experience and vet leadership…I would have thought he would have been the easy one to move…..but after that concussion things changed on that front….and his icetime went to the younger Rh version of himself in Weise.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Untradeable if he can’t play, but who in that scenario isn’t? If he shows he is healthy, a team will want him, heck our own Habs might! His contract is small enough that some kind of solution will be found.

    • Garbo says:

      Wow, I thought Max Pac’s contract was good. Never knew that about Tavares. He’s a steal for the Isles!

  38. Frank2468 says:

    Ate’ Logo Brazil. Time to play wheel of excuses.

    • Br_habsfan says:

      Pas d’excuse. As a Brazilian, I am obviously in shock with the score but not the outcome.

      When you cheer for such traditional teams such as the Habs and Brazil in soccer, that won so many titles in the past, you tend to rely a lot on past successes in order to achieve a major goal (Stanley Cup, WC and so forth). Truth is: as nice as it sounds to have 24 Stanley Cups, or 5 World Cups, or Pelé, or Richard, the truth is this will not give you an edge in any future match. Today was a great example, Brazil is known as the “best” soccer in the World and many Brazilians (including the coaching staff) believed this was true, that they could rely on Brazilian “swagger” to overcome Germany. The team was coached in such a way that they tried to play the same tactical game as the Cameroon one. Well, here is your 7×1 (and could be more).

      Now, I feel relieved this is over because it exposed how under developed Brazil is in soccer training, preparation and coaching. It was a great opportunity to learn from the best (IMO the Germans). When you see a wannabe soccer national team such as the US relying on German expertise instead of Brazilians, you must ask yourself that Brazilian soccer is no longer the gold standard. True, individually, player by player, Brazil has the greatest amount of talent than any other country yet. However, Germans, Dutch and others caught up in the last 12-16 years by developing training methods from the very early stages up until senior level. I have my doubts Brazil will seize the opportunity but we’ll see.

      ~G H G~

      • Walmyr says:

        Perfeito!….

      • PK says:

        There is always a next time.

        You await number 6 and we all wait for 25.

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

        • Br_habsfan says:

          That’s true. For the Habs, I think there will be a next time soon. Really like GMMB and the direction the roster is going. If we were in the West, I’d say no way Jose because the line up is long. But thankfully we’re in the East. It only takes an one-way ticket to the Stanley Cup finals and then everything is possible. Rangers lost 4 – 2 but they’re leading in some and in OT in others. With the right amount of luck and injury on the other side, things can happen sooner than we think.

          As for Brazil, that depends on whether management will pursue the a more modern, updated, approach to soccer. There are players but no direction. Imagine the Hawk’s or King’s current roster with Tortorella as the head coach, Martin and Tremblay as assistants and Houle as GM :D

          ~G H G~

  39. Arnou Ruelle says:

    Good Evening ppl.

    I wasn’t planning on typing something at HIO.

    However, I saw this rumour while doing some UFA search: http://awinninghabit.com/2014/07/08/penner-in-montreal/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Trending%20on%20FS

    That was when I started to think. What do you think, could Dustin Penner be a good fit here?

  40. twilighthours says:

    I thoroughly enjoyed that 7-1 drubbing.

    • scamorza says:

      so scolari pulled a Tremblay- kept poor Cesare in for all 7. wow poor Cesare finally killed the demons from last World Cup in defeating chile in penalties and now he will have to live with this as his legacy for his last game playing for the national team! oh well he can always look forward to going back to QPR and if they don’t want him back after today he can go back to TFC!
      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Me 2

    • Ozmodiar says:

      When the score was 5-0, I was thinking: what would Ryder, Kovy and Koivu do in this situation?

  41. Mr. Biter says:

    5-0. Hardest lead in soccer to protect.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  42. habsfan0 says:

    Brazil played today like the Laffs play the last few weeks of a regular season.
    Or, like they play in the 3rd period of a Game 7.

  43. scamorza says:

    so seeing as it is pouring in the capital region which means not able to go out play, another skill testing question about hockey but alas not completely habscentric

    If Martin Brodeur plays the rest of his career with NJ, when entering the HOF ( don’t think there is a discussion there!) he will be one of the few to do so when playing for only one team so who are the others?
    induction year 2012
    induction year 2009
    induction year 1997 ( qualification needed here) and who was the last goalie to do it in 1983?

    come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  44. 24 Cups says:

    I don’t think there’s too much doubt that MB got beat on the Gorges trade with Buffalo. The Buffalo Sabres acquired the 2016 second round pick of the Minnesota Wild in the Matt Moulson trade last season. That pick was subsequently dealt to Montreal in the Josh Gorges trade. Are you telling me that the Habs couldn’t have held out for Buffalo’s 2nd rounder in 2015, which will surely be a top 35 pick in a draft rich season? Instead they get saddled with a lower/lesser pick in the 45-55 range for 2016. Sorry, that’s just not good enough.

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    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      It sounds like they had a better deal with Toronto but Georges didn’t want to go there (can’t say I blame him). In any event it was more of a salary dump to make room for Tinordi/Beaulieu. MB got a 2nd rounder + cap space.

      • 24 Cups says:

        I can’t buy that. The Habs could have signed Gilbert or promoted a rookie without trading Gorges for cap space. I’m not directing this at you personally but I think some rationalization is going on here with the Gorges trade. Montréal could have gotten a better draft return from the Sabres or packaged Gorges with another player (say Pleks) to bring in a kickass forward.

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        • formerly known as the hc says:

          The cat was out of the bag and the damage done. Gorges needed to be traded and free agency was hours away. It was accept this trade or have a potentially toxic situation. That’s the last thing that any GM needs. In all likelihood Buffalo will suck next year and it will be as good as a late first rounder.

          -The beatings will conmtinue until morale improves-

        • Cal says:

          I don’t think moving Pleks is in the cards right now. Gorges, simply put, devalued his return by refusing a trade. That means it’s bargain basement time for all the other GMs.
          A team looking to hit the cap floor took him. With all the younger Dmen, and Gorges being pounded into the boards each and every night, something had to give. Heart and soul guy, but the lack of talent made him expendable.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          You don’t know that MB could have gotten anything better from the Sabres. You’re just guessing. If their 2rd rounder is so close to a 1st rounder why would they give it up?

          … and you don’t know that MB had any interest at all in trading Pleks.

          If the Habs traded Gorges at the trade deadline they likely would have gotten more for him. Timing’s an important factor in trade value.

    • Mark C says:

      So no chance Buffalo said this is the best pick we’ll trade and this deal is off the table in X hours and we’ll be moving on to options B through D?

      • 24 Cups says:

        So be it then. You don’t fold your hand just because the other player ups the bet. If that did happen, then Montreal, just like you suggested with Buffalo, could move on to options B through D.

        I can’t believe that the best the Habs could get for Gorges was a much lesser return than they received for washed up players such as Gill and AK. Gorges was pretty solid during the playoff run. He also had a long term deal in place.

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        • scamorza says:

          i love and loved Gorges but put in the context of:
          his contract $ and terms
          assuming they knew they were signing weaver who showed at least to me that he was just as good although may not have been a leader in the room
          need to bring on new blood on D
          the trade restrictions

          a second round pick sounds just about right as much as I may miss him

          come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

          • 24 Cups says:

            All things considered, in terms of assets, Weaver couldn’t come close to being in the same category as Gorges. Weaver is a 6th/7th career Dman who played great hockey for Montreal over four months. He’s also six years older than Gorges. Gorges track record is much better (and I’m not even a huge fan of his)

            I’m not arguing over the Sabre 2nd round pick, it’s just that Montreal didn’t hold out for the right one. In a talent laden 2015 draft year, the Habs could have chosen anywhere from 31-35. That’s Bergeron/Weber territory. MB settled for a 45-50 pick in 2016. It may not be the end of the world but there’s not doubt that Murray outfoxed MB.

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          • scamorza says:

            or MB outfoxed Murray cuz that was the best offer:-). I appreciate your point but I am just saying there were/are probably a number of variables behind it so think we should look at it in a broader scope. You may be right and then again if we pick someone who turns out to be a near 40 goal scorer like the last time around well guess we will see

            come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

        • Mark C says:

          If that’s the case then Montreal management is dumb and can’t properly evaluate trades or no teams we’re offering a better return because the whole league knew he was on the block. I think his long term contract is a negative in the eyes of most GMs.

        • CJ says:

          In that case, the organization had to activate their buzzword – character. They couldn’t string Gorges along after the news of a pending deal was leaked. The “character” thing to do was make a deal, per Gorges NTC. The deal was done and all parties move on. Personally, so much as a loved Gorges, I thought a second rounder was decent return for a third pairing guy – albeit a warrior and terrific shot blocker.

          The one lingering issue is the relationship Gorges had with Price. I’m sure Carey understands that it’s a business, but I wouldn’t make it a habit of pissing our leader off.

        • Cal says:

          The market has changed drastically. Look how much the Habs gave up for Vanek. Compare Vanek talent-wise to Gorges. No contest.

    • CJ says:

      I do agree that we lost a warrior who won’t be easily replaced. That said, when evaluating trades, it’s partially the asset(s) and partially the salary (value and term). Remember how we all were so outspoken following the Spacek – Kaberle deal. It’s not because Spacek was the better player (he retired), but because Kaberle carried the cap hit and ended up being a compliance buy out. The issue with Gorges is not this next year, but where does he fit going forward – keeping in mind he’s signed for another three years. IMO, the organization made the very difficult decision to trade an asset at peak value. Gorges is not going to be worth more in two years. Might as well cash out your chips when the stack is largest….

      Just my two cents….

      • 24 Cups says:

        That’s not my point (and I promise to let it go). Trading Gorges for a 2nd rounder may be market value but MB could have negotiated for a better Sabre second round pick. Murray must have played a game of chicken and MB caved. The Sabres needed Gorges more than the Habs needed to trade Gorges. That should have been the MB tipping point.

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        • CJ says:

          It’s all subjective at this particular point. Respectfully, I don’t see Buffalo as a top six team next year – which is what’s suggested with the 55th pick. Fact is we won’t know the outcome of this deal for at least a few years. IMO, Timmons can find value almost anywhere on the board. That, plus the cap savings, could make this deal a slam dunk for Montreal. Conversely, as you’ve suggested, perhaps the fractured chemistry, plus the inability of our youth to fill the vacancy make this deal a major pitfall for Montreal.

        • 24 Cups says:

          CJ – Montreal gets Minnesota’s 2nd rounder , not Buffalo’s.

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    • Phil C says:

      I agree it really doesn’t seem like the got enough for Gorges. Why not wait until some of the free agents were gone, then those who missed out might be buyers again. They got the same for Gorges as they got for Koststityn and less than they got for Gill. The urgency of the trade and the timing was odd.

      I wonder if it was a case of feeling guilty for how the Toronto situation played out and then tried to accomodate the player’s wishes, or was it a case of there being no interest due to his cap hit? Gorges is such a durable and reliable player, I find it hard to believe there was not a better market for his services.

      • CJ says:

        For Gorges, I’d have given up a first rounder and B level prospect. Unfortunately, for Gorges contract, I would not have given up anything. In fact, I’d have asked for salary retention. You can’t pay your 6/7 defenceman, which is what Josh was destined to become in Montreal in two years (keep in mind he has three years remaining) $4 million annually. So, you sell now when his value is highest.

        When you put the entire package together, a second rounder seems reasonable.

        Again, I hate losing the guy, but that contract was a killer.

        • Phil C says:

          I guess I may be over-valuing Gorges at $3.9M. He’ll only be 34 at the end of his contract. I think he is a little more than a 6/7 guy, he has proven he can log top four minutes even if he provides little offense. But I can see why teams would be wary of him.

          • CJ says:

            Hi Phil. I certainly respect your opinion. My suggestion of him becoming a 6/7 are two years away and beyond. Again, he’s a warrior but he’s taken an absolute pounding. He might yet prove me wrong, but IMO, that lemon won’t have much juice left in 4 years. Lastly, I really hate talking about the guy so critically because I do like him. I’m just trying to set emotions aside and call it as best I can.

  45. scamorza says:

    So just read today’s la presse digitally ( for those interested you can download this free – the only newspaper I know where you don’t have to pay for a digital copy of the paper ( not just an on-line version). another good source for les habitants

    Anyway a number of interesting short articles on Sekac , Scherbak Andrighetto, De La rose and Beaulieu – recappingirtuyo

    as mentioned here about Beaulieu I am just impressed that he is there, especially considering where it was noted that he didn’t want to play in the AHL and thought he was entitled to play for the habs. So even though he played in the playoffs, albeit not every game, doesn’t look like he is taking anything for granted – can we say maturation process?

    Sekac and Scherbak nothing different than covered here already.

    on De la Rose here were some interesting facts; he gained 15 pounds this year, is happy and feels comfortable playing left wing and a wonderful word in French that describes him is “costaud” or sturdy /strong.
    on Andrighetto another example of a young player who gets it, understands he may be a good offensive player but needs to play well in his own end to play in the NHL.

    So a bunch of good young prospects who don’t just repeat the same platitudes and who are showing a strong sense of maturity and character. And that beyond just big players is what I think MB is developing – making sure the younger “vets” have an opp to take on a leadership role ( ie. Patches and Subban replacing the gorges and gionta ilk) bringing on potentially an Andrighetto would only happen in replacing another small player e.g. Gionta. And regardless of size, character is the single defining criteria to build a Stanley cup winner

    come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassles” _ Yvon Lambert

  46. THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

    I don’t think anyone is putting Gally down, just pointing out how some people are thinking, he’s gonna be a star. Before people say things like that wait and see. Right now he doesn’t strike me as a up and coming superstar. To me he’s just an ordinary player, maybe some day he’ll be a Crosby I don’t know and neither does anyone else. Right now IMO he’s a second line center at best.

  47. Hoegaarden says:

    Re comments below about Lapointe taking over Gallant. He is not/not interested in the position as per article on RDS posted at 16:02.

  48. HabFan in Edmonton says:

    For me Subban will end up being worth what the Habs end up paying him. He elevates his game in the playoffs when it counts and he leaves it all out there. I still remember the tying goal in game 7 in Boston 3 years ago late in the game and the OT winner this year. Sure he will make some mistakes but every defenceman who handles the puck a lot does. He is also a class act evidenced by the way he handled not dressing in the Olympics and his response to the racist tweets during the Boston series, maybe not quite ready to be captain yet but he is getting there. He would be almost impossible to replace.

  49. Habitant in Surrey says:

    I was sitting at the IHOP in White Rock with My Children, at approx 2 pm PST, before Our appointment at Their orthodontist …I log-in on their WiFi and TSN tells Me 5-0 Germany at half-time

    The coffee in My hand shakes in trepidation over Gerald’s (HabInBurlington) over-excitement and swelling-head

    I’m now at Starbuck’s in Safeway, and read final score 7-1 over Brazil.

    Please, someOne, please reassure Me that Gerry is still among Us !

  50. THE ABSOLUTE_TRUTH says:

    I mentioned today That I don’t think Galchenyuk will be more than a 2nd line center I don’t believe he’s gonna be the star everyone thinks he’s gonna be, so someone came back and said he’s only 20. will Nathan mackinnons 1st year at 18 put up 63 points, jeff skinner at 18 put up 63 points so I guess we could use Galchenyuk injuries as an excuse. I hope some year he plays 82 games, to see how my prediction was or do I have to eat crow.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      They are bringing along Galchenyuk slowly while the others got 1st line minutes right away. Maybe you are right but it’s way too early to tell. It took Lafleur a while to get going, same with John Leclair, there are countless other examples of guys who took a few years to light it up. I never expected him to be a star at 19.

    • Frozen Village says:

      AG has been utilzed much differently.

      Though I agree I do not think he will reach the status of MacKinnon whom may turn out to be a top 5 player. He will surpass Skinners value by the time he is 22, my prediction.

      More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

    • formerly known as the hc says:

      I would interpret “he is only 20″ to mean “you can’t come to these conclusions because the kid is only 20″. You may be right, however, to put things in perspective just look at the Habs very own Guy Lafleur. It wasn’t until his fourth season before he started to really rack up the points. His point totals in each of his first 3 seasons were roughly half of his fourth season’s totals. Although I am too young to remember, I hear that fans back then were beginning to give up on him after the second season. To say that he will not be a star may be true but time will only tell. However, to say he won’t be a star because at 18 etc he did not accomplish what others had at that age is utter nonsense.

      -The beatings will continue until morale improves-

    • Cal says:

      Nathan MacKinnon GP 82 G24 A39 Pts63 Avg. Time on Ice: 17:20
      Alex Galchenyuk GP 65 G13 A18 Pts 31 Avg Time on Ice: 14:23

      Galchenyuk’s 31 pts over 82 games goes to 39 pts.
      For argument’s sake, he would have played 246 minutes less over a full season than Big Mac. And by the way, Big Mac is a great player who is going to score 100 points per season soon. Most here are hoping Galchenyuk will be a 70-80 point guy.
      Why not compare Galchenyuk to Yakupov, who was #1 in the same draft year?
      Nail Yakupov GP 63 G 11 A 13 Pts24 Avg Time on Ice:14:18

  51. Strummer says:

    Pk Subban was the subject of man-crush adulation by Ken Dryden and Elliote Friedman (and a little by McCowan) on Bob McCowan’s show today on Sportsnet Fan590.

    This was all in reference to the article and interview of PK Subban by Dryden in The Canada Day special in the Toronto Star.

    Here’s a link to the article

    http://www.thestar.com/news/ken_dryden_canada_day/2014/06/30/pk_subban_nothing_was_going_to_deter_me.html

    ____________________________________________________
    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  52. Frozen Village says:

    via tsn 690 via rds, Marty Lapointe is replacing Gerard Gallant

    More Swedes for the Lions in Winter

  53. Haberoooo13 says:

    So Brazil losing 7-1 at home in Soccer, would that be like Canada losing 12-1 at home in hockey?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am not sure.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I always think there are parallels between Canada owning hockey and New Zealand owning rugby, perhaps the US owning basketball.

      I don’t know if any country owns soccer, not even Brazil.

      Long-winded answer! In short, No.

      • Haberoooo13 says:

        I am not alking about owning the game..just mean that soccer is by far #1 there and hockey is by far #1 here

        Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Ok, gotcha. So it would be similar in that both countries would be humiliated in their No. 1 sport, but DISsimilar, imho, because for Canada it would be humiliation, additionally, in the sport they own!

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Ouch — just actually stopped to think about it: 12-1!! Imagine the poor HIO hamsters!

        • scamorza says:

          that and yes the score i think in football like in hockey you have 4 or 5 powerful teams so no major shock in the loss but 7-1 …just goers to show how scoring the first goal is just as important and i would suggest even more important in football
          come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • scamorza says:

      Yes in the sense of the score just watching the highlights now wow poor Brazil, thought Germany would take it but wow…

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  54. boing007 says:

    Six and a half for PK. Max. If he doesn’t like it, take a hike. Hasta la vista, baby!

    Richard R

  55. Haberoooo13 says:

    Any updates from Brossard today?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  56. Mavid ® says:

    Leaving tomorrow for the UK hoping to keep in touch as I want summit tickets. Is it a kid friendly event I am thinking of bringing Quinn he is 10

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  57. Mavid ® says:

    Not sure what word it doesn’t like they should have a list
    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  58. The Jackal says:

    I was just thinking about some comments about Weber being better than PK, and I thought: alright, there is something to that claim, can’t deny that. But then I realized… When’s the last time Weber scored a clutch goal or took the team on his back? I keep remembering PK screaming for the puck in that PP in OT against the Bruins, knowing he would score and win the game.

    Maybe Weber is better overall in technical aspects of the game, but PK is a better game breaker and he is more dynamic than Weber.

    • Slackman says:

      Hey man. I agree PK is a more dynamic player than Weber but you got it all wrong. The only OT goal against the Bruins was scored by Mr. Dale “The Weisanator” Weise.

      When PK hammered that lazorhowlitzer into the net and made Rask look like a lanky buck-toothed idiot, the Bruins still won that one. 4-2 the final. That was the Habs second goal. It was awesome, but not what you claimed. JUS SAYIN.

      ———————————————————————————–
      “A Gypsy mutant industrial vacuum cleaner dances about a mysterious night time camp fire. Festoons. Dozens of imported castanets, clutched by the horrible suction of its heavy duty hose, waving with marginal erotic abandon in the midnight autumn air.”

      • mark-ID says:

        Not true…..PK scored the double overtime winner in Game 1 remember? It was a bullet on the powerplay. Oh the memories.
        Weise’s overtime goal was game 1 vs. Tampa.

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        You’d think you’d check your facts before telling someone they’ve “got it all wrong”.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hey Jackal.
      Always very interesting to see how smart posters can have such polarised views of the same incident. Last week someone (reputable, can’t recall who) was criticising PK for screaming for the puck that time. Said it was a good illustration of why he can NOT be captain!

      • The Jackal says:

        I think that’s why he should be considered for the C one day.

        IMO, his teammates know he will get shit done. Maybe that kind of stuff irked some people at first, but now he has definitely proven that he backs it up, and that makes all the difference. He isn’t a puck hog, he is a game breaker.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • Chris says:

        That was me. Every prominent hockey play I know that saw that play mentioned that, were that done to them, they would have clocked Subban in the dressing room after the game. Petulant behaviour.

    • The Jackal says:

      Oh yeah…. good call Slackman, I did get that wrong. I could have sworn that PK was calling for the OT goal.

      But still, it was impressive to see PK’s determination to score and not go down without a fight, that goal still changed the momentum in the series, and the rest is history :D

      Anyhow, I still contend that PK is more dynamic, “clutch,” and more of a gamebreaker, even if he is technically less sound than Weber.

      ______________________
      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

    • CJ says:

      I am one of the posters who indicated that Weber is the better player. My comment is not meant to diminish PK’s talent. I also think Crosby is better than Tavares if you get my point.

      Of course it’s all subjective, but, from the comfort of my couch, Weber is better offensively, defensively, physically and has excelled on the biggest stage. Further, Weber plays in a vastly superior conference and faces more games against better competition. Lastly, he managed to improve his overall game this season, despite carrying an 18 year old Jones as a defence partner. Weber may not have reached his potential yet. PK, it’s argued has a sky’s the limit ceiling. This may or may not yet prove true. As Chris pointed out yesterday, and with which I agree, as PK’s defence improves, it’s very likely at the expense of his offence. Sure, PK is a highlight real and creates a buzz when he skates circles around his own net before turning up ice, but I’d rather steak, not the sizzle.

      Again, we are comparing the game’s best defenceman with a guy inside the top ten.

      • The Jackal says:

        I wouldn’t even go as far as to say Weber is the best. Doughty is better, IMO.

        That being said, I know no one is dismissing PK’s talent or skill, I’m just saying that I’d rather PK on the ice when the chips are down than Weber. It may be that as PK gets better defensively, that his offense may go down, but that doesn’t really follow in logical terms… improving defensively isn’t something that detracts from offensive production, hell, you could say that doing so may in fact improve it when you take into account that being better defensively can mean less time defending and more time in the O zone.

        Also, I’m not dismissing Weber either, he is awesome and I wish he was a Hab. But he is not better than PK offensively or speed-wise. In the other technical aspects like positioning and hitting, yes, and of course he is bigger, but PK is more dynamic, faster, more creative, and more clutch. Personally, I’d take PK over Weber.

        ______________________
        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • CJ says:

          Fair points. I certainly respect your opinion. Hard to discount 23 goals so far as I’m concerned though.

          These are two very different players. I agree PK relies on creativity and speed to exploit match ups. Weber is a bigger player, who plays north south – a complete 200ft game. This is subjective, but, IMO, I’m not sure how PK’s game would unfold if he played in the heavier western conference. For that matter, it could be argued that the western conference better aligns to Weber’s skills and abilities. Ultimately, it’s very close. As a result, two issues becoming the focal points – contract and age. The age favors PK who is 3.75 years younger. The contract favors Weber, who’s locked up for the duration of his career to an “illegal” deal that was written out of the newest CBA. In five years, if PK has an annual cap hit of $12 million dollars this might be a discussion worth revisiting.

  59. Mr. Biter says:

    And there are no goals scored in soccer making it a boring game. What a performance by Germany today. My neighbor will be burning his Brazil jersey and car flag tonight. Perhaps a human sacrifice to liven up the neighborhood.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  60. Mavid ® says:

    Arg

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  61. Dunboyne Mike says:

    I WONDER why Burly isn’t posting at the moment!!

    Man, great night for him!

  62. Mavid ® says:

    92
    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  63. Un Canadien errant says:

    Podcast of the Evander Kane interview on TEAM 1040. Click on the link below, then scroll down the list of interviews listed, it’s right at the bottom.

    http://www.teamradio.ca/Interviews.aspx

    ***Re-posted from earlier in the thread***

    Matt Sekeres of Vancouver TEAM 1040 asks Evander Kane straight out: “Do you want to play for the Winnipeg Jets?”

    He answered: (Significant pause) “Well, I’m a Winnipeg Jet right now. (…) We’ll see what happens…”

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Paz says:

      He’s a great player but he’s in the wrong market. He needs to go somewhere where his antics will not be under a microscope, where he can go unnoticed off the ice.

      This is a key move for Winnipeg and one they need to make.

      Moving Kane will bring them back a great return. How about Wahington or Brooklyn or Philadelphia?

    • piper says:

      I still think Bergevin should make a pitch for this kid.

    • Cal says:

      I listened to most of the pod cast. What an inappropriate question at a charity golf event. Matt Sekeres is an a-hole for asking it. WTF did he expect Kane to say?

      • habstrinifan says:

        Exactly!

        “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

        https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

      • Paz says:

        He could have answered “Yes. I love playing in Winnipeg. I love being a Winnipeg Jet”

        • habstrinifan says:

          But what if he is aware that team mngmnt is trying to trade him; what if he is aware that his ‘welcome’ in wpg is not unanimous or even in the majority; what if he feels insecure about his future there; what if he sees another year of being the subject of ‘ill repute’. Whether he is the author of his troubles or not his answer is at least honest based on all the rumours.

          Why crucify him for that bit of honesty. And what would have your opinion been if he had answered ‘dishonestly’ in the words you wanted him to.

          “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

          https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

          • The Jackal says:

            I think that is the case.

            Kane and the Jets have had a lot of friction between them and they need a change.

            ______________________
            Hockey sine stercore tauri.

          • habstrinifan says:

            Thank you Jackal… i couldnt think of the word ‘friction’ which is what I was looking for. It is well known that that friction exists between player and team and player and fan community. I DO NOT CARE if it is well founded or not. I just cant see insisting that one side or the other (team or player) be commandeered to carry on as usual within that frictional environment.

            I liked and posted my appreciation for MB when he recognized that in the case of Ryan White. When asked about White he said “sometimes the student needs a different teacher”… showing an understanding for the player while doing the right thing for the team.

            Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

            https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  64. BJ says:

    Lots of partying and car horns here in Luebeck.

  65. 1010 says:

    I lost my satellite feed in the 92nd minute. 7-1 score and Brazil had a corner kick. Hope I didn`t miss a comeback. On second thought… I guess only the laffs could blow a lead like that.

    GO HABS…

  66. tophab says:

    no word on camp?

  67. jols says:

    I fear heavy rioting is the streets of Brazil. I hope I’m wrong but it could easily get out of control.

  68. habstrinifan says:

    I am still picking Brazil to win the World Cup!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  69. habstrinifan says:

    Not one of the Brazilian players (including Naymar) can be described as an exciting skilful artist with the ball. They have purposely built this type of team. There were debates and warnings about it in Brazil.

    They defied their history and are paying.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      They are supposed to be.

      Hulk, Fred, Ramires, Paulinho all MiA.

      Willian should have played more

    • CH Marshall says:

      I think you have a good point. Plus I think they media have overhyped Neymar to a god-like status for which he does not have that kind of special genius to match up to it. If anything, the German side looked like they were the ones playing ‘total football’

    • Chris says:

      Neymar is one of the most skillful players on the planet. He can do things with the ball that few other players can.

      The problem for Brazil was that Oscar, another skillful player, was simply invisible for the entire tournament. When your central midfield playmaker isn’t there, you’re cooked. Fred was also brutal in this tournament, and their defending was suspect the whole time with the exception of Thiago Silva.

      Brazil had plenty of skill on the wings (Neymar, Hulk at times, Marcelo, Alves, and Bernard), but the middle was a disaster and they finally paid for it.

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        Amazing we did not see jo this whole tournament. Bernard should have played more… I watch him weekly with Shakhtar and he is a talent…

        • Chris says:

          I’ve wondered since the second game why Jo wasn’t in for Fred, who was clearly not producing and who was drawing a lot of heat from the Brazilian press. Similarly, I think Oscar should have been sat and Willian brought in. Put Neymar in the middle and I think the Brazilians are a better team, just like what happened with the Swiss when they moved Shaqiri in from his preferred winger spot. I also liked what I saw from Bernard every time I saw him in the tournament (and Shakhtar were a heck of a lot of fun to watch last year!).

          But it is easy for us to second guess now that the results are in.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        One of the interesting things about Neymar is that he is relatively slight yet has incredible balance that sees him absorb and dissipate heavy contact from big defenders. It’s very hard to separate him from the ball.

        • habstrinifan says:

          You see it as interesting Mike but if he does not get into the gym and develop an athletes body it will be a short career at the top level. Remember England’s wonder boy… and I forgot his name LOL.

          Look at the legs on players like Pele;Ronaldinho;Maradonna;Messi(more powerful than he looks) ETC ETC.

          “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

          https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Agreed, Trini. Get that kid to the gym or at least a basket of PEDs!

            (Germany’s Mueller is also pretty slight).

            If Neymar had a better team around him, he might be able to afford to stay skinny and dependent on speed. But if he always has to do everything himself, he could be looking at a short career, undermined by physical frailty.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I dont see it. Google Ronaldinho and Zinadene Zidane and you will see ‘skill’ that will bring tears to your eyes.
        I am gonna google Neymar and compare. Neymar is very fast with the ball I grant that but from what I saw in this world cup he is about speed mostly.

        Edit: Here’s best video of him I found. Better skills than I gave him credit for but as I posted couple days ago shows too much of the ball and depends too much on speed to be effective in close quarters against 3 or 4 defenders.

        Again.. just my take. I will leave you to compare him against a Ronaldinho or Zidane.

        “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

        https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

        • 1010 says:

          Completely agree. Zidane was basically an old man- in soccer years- in his last major tournament, the year of the infamous head butt, and he was still doing incredible things on the pitch. It was still a thing of beauty to watch the guy.
          Neymar has amazing speed but he doesn`t have that type of mastery in my opinion.
          GO HABS…

        • Chris says:

          I don’t need to Google either Ronaldinho or Zidane…I grew up watching both players. Ronaldinho was one of the most tricky players I have ever seen, along with Cristiano Ronaldo and Jay Jay Okocha.

          But Ronaldinho was a one-on-one player, whereas Zidane was the whole package: fantastic moves, excellent vision and one of the best passers in the game. That is where I think Neymar’s strength is: I have been astounded at his vision and the touch on his passing with Barcelona. He is outstanding in that regard, far superior to Rondaldinho.

  70. PK says:

    Aaaaaaaaand ….. Touchdown!!

    Brazil should have pulled the goalie after the fifth goal
    (He may “pull a Roy” and demand a trade) LOL!!

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  71. JUST ME says:

    Really not into the world cup buzz this time . But i had convinced myself that if there was one game i should watch, this was the one. For many reasons i could not manage to tune in before halftime…
    So…how about those Habs ! Still remember the feeling when we got rid of the bucking fruins as if it was yesterday !

  72. JohnBellyful says:

    Germany fans might want to lie low in Brazil tonight.
    Not Teuton whoopin’. No Franks’ pranks.

  73. PK says:

    Germany 6-0
    Ouch!!

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  74. CJ says:

    I hate the taste of clamato juice, but love caesars. Is there something wrong with me?

    I also like tomatoes, but don’t like ketchup. How weird is that?

    • JohnBellyful says:

      “CJ hates clamato juice but loves Caesars. Likes tomatoes but dislikes ketchup.”
      Yep, that would raise a few eyebrows among game show audience members. :)

    • frontenac1 says:

      Next time,Kick up your Caesar with Cholula Hot sauce amigo. You will never use Tobasco again. Saludos!

    • Mavid ® says:

      nope..I don’t like my food touching..I eat rasins out of a box but never cooked in anything..bacon only if its on Pizza but never to eat just the way it is…or it could be that I am also weird CJ

      Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • Cal says:

      I am still wondering who the bleep the guy was that started drinking some tomato juice, and then stopped and said, “Pretty good. Needs fish.”

  75. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Im enjoying this game

    The amount of flopping Brazil did this tournament was gross.

    About time they go home, Hulk, Fred, Paulinho MIA the whole tourny!


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