Habs development camp underway in Brossard (VIDEO)

About 150 people showed up at the Canadiens practice facility in Brossard Monday morning to watch as the team’s annual development camp kicked off.

Fifty players were invited to the camp, which ends on Friday. Forty-three were on the ice Monday morning including Russian forward Nikita Scherbak, the Canadiens’ first-round draft pick at last month’s NHL entry draft, and Jiri Sekac, a 22-year-old forward from the Czech Republic who the Habs signed last week as a free agent.

“I’m trying to play next season in the NHL,” Scherbak told reporters.

“It’s like just hard work and we’ll see,” he said.

“I can’t say I’m ready, not ready. It’s the coach opinion and just hard work.”

Twenty prospects who were drafted by the Canadiens are at camp. That group includes Michael McCarron and Swedish forward Jacob de la Rose, who the Habs selected in the first and second rounds, respectively, in the 2013 draft. Forwards Connor Crisp and Artturi Lehkonen as well as defencemen Dalton Thrower and Darren Dietz were among those prospects on the ice Monday.

McCarron spent the past year with the London Knights in the Ontario Hockey League where his season got off to a bumpy start, but improved in the second half.

Defenceman Nathan Beaulieu, who played 24 games for the Canadiens this past season including seven during their playoff run, is also at the camp.

Twenty-one players are attending the camp on a try-out basis.

The players were scheduled to arrive in Montreal on the weekend and undergo medical exams on Sunday.

Habs hopefuls hit the ice in Brossard by Pat Hickey

Habs’ prospect Bennett pencilled in for Bulldogs by Pat Hickey

To look at a photo gallery from today’s camp, you can click here:

(Photos and video by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)


  1. BriPro says:

    Unions in junior hockey now?
    So the owner of a team is making money… I say good for him!
    This yahoo is saying that the league has,flown under the radar long enough and it’s the right thing to do.

    Next thing you know, when a woman goes into a hospital to give birth, there will be a union rep at the door and a pre-K teacher waiting in the room to quickly teach the newborn how to write hi name so that he can immediately be assigned a membership card.



    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Bri, I’m reading the biography of Bobby Orr right now, by Stephen Brunt, called “Searching for Bobby Orr”. Very interesting book, especially the four years he spent as an Oshawa General, a team that was created specifically for him, so that the Bruins and a forward-thinking hockey man could control and profit from the young star. He was paid $10 a week for four seasons, and during his time he had to knuckle under various caprices from the organization which he dared not go against, lest it hurt his chances of one day turning pro.

      Allow me to paraphrase: “So the junior-aged players may want to improve their conditions and profit from their skill and the crowds they create through their talent… I say good for them!”

      The same dynamic exists in the States right now with respect to the NCAA and the drive by some athletes to unionize, and the football players who create the immense wealth that ends up in the hands of dictatorial coaches and untold levels of Administrators, are being vilified for potentially causing the end of women’s water polo teams. The bad guys are the players see, they’re the ones who are chasing money, instead of being in it for the love of the game, and for the pleasure of the fans.

      It astounds me the climate in North America right now, whereby hard-working average folks are the ones being called greedy for wanting to establish a better relationship with their employer, one in which they have a greater voice and are protected from unfairness.

      Maybe there are junior teams that are barely keeping afloat, maybe most owners are just in it because they love hockey, and have the best interests of the young men in their charge at heart. These owners shouldn’t fear a changed relationship where they now have to work cooperatively with a union of their players, show them the books, enact rule changes in concert with them, and their parents. Maybe a players’ union can advocate for better conditions for them, for a change to the bus rides, for an end to bare-knuckle fighting, maybe they can change the junior game to suit themselves, and for the better.

      For some people, the word ‘union’ is held in the same negative esteem as the word ‘terrorist’ or ‘shyster’. In fact, a very good indicator of a healthy society and of a country where justice reigns is the strength of the union movement within its borders.

      Personally, I’ve learned that the best situation, the best workplace I can be in is one where I don’t have a union and don’t need one. The worst though is one where I don’t have one and need one.

      If the junior players do form a union and they find that there isn’t that much meat on the bone, no harm done. I suspect there would be a lot of areas owners would prefer the players not to poke their nose into though. And I suspect that in a decade or so, all the doomsayers would be proven wrong, that the game hasn’t been throttled by a blasted union, and that in fact a lot of the abuses that were swept under the rug are now thankfully a thing of the past.

      • Cal says:

        I remember March of 2013 when a STM ticket taker became enraged when a woman spoke to her in English. She got out of her booth and proceeded to attack the woman. Guess what happened to the insane ticket taker? A reprimand. And this after she had done the same while driving a bus. Often, unions are too powerful to be useful to anyone except those counting the dues money pouring in.

        If I own a private company, why in hell should I have to open my books to a company that wants to take from me as much profit as they can? I understand that in a few cases a union is necessary, but, and this is the kicker, all the successful unions are in it for themselves as their union is a business, too.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Cal, I been a member of a union, and have worked in various posts in the hierarchy. The members and I never thought of it as a business.

          To the extent that any organization seeks to maintain itself and grow, you can say that a union functions as a business. But that’s a rhetorical nicety. A corporation has at its root the goal of maximizing profits for its owners. A union seeks to protect the interests of the workers and provide them with a voice. They’re fundamentally dissimilar.

          • Cal says:

            I have been in unions, too. It is a business with the goal of becoming rich and powerful, like every other business. 100 years ago, unions were very necessary. These days, most companies do not last very long. The old 1 employer for life gig is passé.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      BRiPro and Cal, I ask you to consider not the exceptions to prove the rule but the big picture. if there was ever a group of employees that need the protection of the union, it is young starry eyed hockey players.

      The article is straightforward on the current status and Normand’s post shines a pretty bright light on the incredible tilt in the workplace dynamic favouring the owner.

      Forget any bias towards unions as the Mobbed up protector of comfortable – this is more Ceasar Chavez than Jimmy Hoffa

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

      • Cal says:

        How much money does the union expect to get from players making $60 a week?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Cal, again, maybe you’re answering your own question. If the players don’t make a lot of money, and the union doesn’t stand to make a lot from it, maybe it has altruistic intentions, maybe it wants to represent the players more than it wants to rake in untold amounts in dues.

  2. Hobie says:

    Ho-hum, the dog days of summer are officially here. We’ll have a day or two of interesting hockey talk when Subban and Eller are signed but that’s it for about two months.

    I’m not a soccer guy at all, I raised an eyebrow to the tennis over the weekend and the Blue Jays are in the midst of one of the ugliest collapses I can ever recall. I’ve always been a Jays fan but end up turning the channel in disgust after a few innings.

    At least the British Open is on the way. Hope everyone is having a great summer!

    Go Habs Go!

  3. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning

    Some almost funny headlines in the ‘Sports’ section of the New York Post…..

    ” Yankees fan caught sleeping suing ESPN for $10 million”

    Seems as though a rather husky fella didn’t like it when the ESPN cameras caught him sleeping in the stands, and then the announcers had some funny remarks about it.
    Video here:


    Andrew Rector has filed a $10 million defamation suit against the team, the sports network, its play-by-play man Dan Shulman and big-leaguer-turned-commentator John Kruk, who he claims unleashed an “avalanche of disparaging words” over his nationally televised nap.

    As a result, the used-car dealer claims to have “suffered substantial injury” to his “character and reputation,” as well as “mental anguish, loss of future income and loss of earning capacity.”
    And here was believing that the best Frivolous Lawsuit of the Year belonged to the guy that sued McDonalds earlier this year for $1.5M because of….

    ” In a $1.5 million civil lawsuit, a McDonald’s customer says he suffered “undue mental anguish” after he was given just one napkin when he visited one of the burger chain’s restaurants.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Interesting move, looks like they are going to capitalize on the fact the Franchise won its Stanley Cup with this guy as GM, so use him to market the product.

      Morning Jim!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Jim

      Feaster spent 10 years of his life there, so he probably has a good comfort level in the area.

      Interesting title, yet Yzerman may want another sounding board and not just his AGM Julien Brisebois (than you Tokarski for Cedrik Desjardins)

  4. Cal says:

    Good morning, all.
    From Pat Hickey’s article:
    “The Canadiens gave De La Rose the choice to return to Sweden this fall if he doesn’t stick in Montreal but he said he was prepared to play in Hamilton.
    “It’s my choice and I think that Hamilton is closer to the NHL and that’s my goal,” said De La Rose.”

    Another draftee that does not think Hamilton is a hindrance or an obstacle, but an opportunity to improve. CHaracter. Love it.
    And how can anyone not like Scherbak?
    EDIT- And I see the HIO gremlins are at it again. Really? During summer when the hits are down substantially?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Have noticed the gremlins quite a bit the last few days.

      Love De LaRose, in many ways our most intriguing prospect with what he could add to our lineup.

    • JF says:

      De La Rose’s attitude is quite a contrast with Nygren’s. One will do whatever it takes to make it to the NHL, the other, not so much. Nygren will have a tough job convincing the Habs he has the character they’re looking for – if he even wants to.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi cal

      At the end of DLR’s interview, someone asked him if he was taller.
      His response was no – but that he had put on 15 pounds (since when, was not mentioned)

      Depending on the website, he is listed from 6’2″-3″ and 187-190 pounds and his weight gain may be as hgh as 195.
      …finally going in the right direction

    • B says:

      Hickey wrote the other day that de la Rose would go back to Leksands if he didn’t make the Habs. I prefer the idea of him with the Dogs rather than back in Sweden. I believe the difference on the Habs end is that he would burn off the first year of his ELC if in Hamilton but that it would slide if he went back to Sweden?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  5. BJ says:

    Great interview with the young man Scherbak. Its refreshing to see so much enthusiasm and goodwill. If he keeps it up he’ll be the darling of the media and great on him to learn a few words in French to show some goodwill towards our friends on the French speaking side.

  6. jeep12 says:

    try-out to Matt Schmalz. hope they give him a good look. was treated unfairly in Sudbury. deserved more ice time then what they gave him. he has size and power. desire to play. with proper coaching he could very well be a power forward in the NHL.

  7. Habitant in Surrey says:

    The Senators announced Monday that Bryan Murray was recently diagnosed with cancer and will begin treatment for the condition immediately.

    As if he didn’t have enough of a burden.

    • BJ says:

      I have made this comment a few times. When society deems real research to be a priority over the money wasted on the destructive military-petro chemical-pharma industrial complex. We can use these wasted resources and finances on all the brilliant independent researchers the world has to offer and an answer will be found outside the control of these psychopathic cabals. So the Mr. Murray’s and the families and friends of all those afflicted by these diseases can be offered an opportunity to overcome this scourge.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      One thing is for certain, Cancer puts us all on the same team regardless of our affiliation or rooting interest. As BJ notes, we should be putting the full resources of the world behind finding the cure/treatment for this hideous disease.

      Cancer has touched almost all of our lives in some way. I am sad for the Murray’s to have to deal with their own cancer fight. Here’s hoping they beat the snot out of it!

      Prayers to the Murray family.

  8. habs001 says:

    To get all Hab games that are not on a national broadcast is about $32 a month with rogers super sport pack..Does include all NFL games,most MLB games and NBA games and Ontario junior hockey games…So based on 7 months that is about $225…not cheap but to go to one Hab game in person for 2 people will cost at least this much and if it is good seats close $800-$1000 factoring in all expenses…

  9. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Good little piece about Scherbak and Sekac on TSN: http://www.tsn.ca/story/?id=456680

    Both kids seem to have their heads on their shoulders. Scherbak’s favuorite Russian player? Datsyuk. I approve.

  10. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Re: Plekanec and speed… As was mentioned, he tends to pot a few shorties every season, and you can’t do that without the speed to match your vision. Pleks is one of mg favorite Habs, even with thd turtleneck and 90s goatee.

  11. ProHabs says:

    Are the blackouts next year for the Habs games for all of Ontario or just west of Belleville.

  12. Cal says:

    In an effort to drag union dues out of players getting $60 weekly, Unifor seeks to unionize junior players.
    See it at: http://www.tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=456673
    It sounds to me very much like a money grab. So long affordable hockey tickets to error-filled games.
    Is it time to allow players under the age of 18 representation outside their agents? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

  13. PK says:

    Oh, a little World Cup Inside/Out:

    Any opinions?

    Germany vs Brazil
    The Netherlands vs Argentina

    I say Germany vs Argentina in the Final match on July 13th

    Germans by a goal in extra time to take the Cup.

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

    • UKRAINIANhab says:


      Both low scoring.

      Germany wins world cup

      • PK says:

        Should be three interesting, and hopefully exciting, matches!

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

      • scamorza says:

        All European and Dutch finally win in …on penalty kicks
        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • sheds88 says:

      i’ve got the dutch over argentina.

      netherlands vs germany final

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Mueller, though incredible, makes me sick.
      Ditto Robben.
      Brazil played Bruins soccer to beat Columbia.
      Therefore I can’t shout for anyone but Argentina. Not a balanced team — everything hinges on Messi, who is in fact the most appealing star of the tournament and of world football — but they could still do it.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Muller can be frustrating with his theatrics, no doubt. But I suspect you still know who I am pulling for.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          I do indeed, Burly! I know what it’s like to cheer for a particular country, warts and all. In ’90 and ’94, the surprising Ireland side had only the one tactic — kick deep and hope something happens. Didn’t matter, it could only be Ireland!

          Let’s just hope for good games, good reffing, less diving, more class.


  14. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Habs games starting next season 2014/15 will be “blacked out” in Canada from Ontario to BC.

    This #RogersPetition is to try and generate as many signatures to try and persuade Roger’s to see that they will be upsetting many Habs’ Fans.

    Sign the petition now and lets show Roger’s, Bell (RDS/TSN) and TVA how much we Canadians really love our Canadiens !

    That it is essential they come together to negotiate a solution, or face considerable blow-back from irate Habs’ Fans.

    Summer’s hazy crazy dayz is the toughest time to get Habs’ fans attention, but We’re doing ok I think, eh ? 🙂 at 1261 at this time.

    The latest 10 wonderful Habs’Fans to sign the #RogersPetition.

    John Noyes
    just now

    Denis Jakubowski
    just now

    2 hours ago

    2 hours ago

    Pierre Taillefer
    4 hours ago

    John Giusti
    5 hours ago

    Stewart Gribbon
    5 hours ago

    Nadia Tontini
    6 hours ago

    Linda Morin
    6 hours ago

    Maurice Marchitello
    6 hours ago

    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

    • HardHabits says:

      Blackout. Is that code for still uses cable?

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        You have an illegal alternative so We can see all 82 games Dave out here in the Wilderness ?

        If so, spread the Gospel. We’re all ‘ears’. (not rabbit ears)

        • HardHabits says:

          Canada is way behind many other countries in terms of Internet speed and service as well as cable and satellite TV and wireless data rates and services. We’re getting gouged here north of the 49th parallel and it’s due to the CRTC colluding with the big 3 telecom.

          My suggestion, if you’re not an adept, is for you and your signatories to sign up with NHL Centre Ice or another provider. Hit them in the pocketbook if they don’t bend.

          Good luck with your campaign.

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            Part of the campaign is a #Habsfans #BoycottRogers products and services.

            Thanks for Your best wishes Dave.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I think i recall reading that the new Rogers deal includes all media, I believe the NHL center ice rights in Canada now are part of Rogers. So money is still going in the pocket of the person who paid for all the rights.

            Unfortunately, while I did loan my name to the petition, I fear nothing changes.

    • Cal says:

      I like that you’ve done the petition.
      So now my question is, to what end? What are you going to do with it?
      Almost 1300 names is significant to us, but perhaps not so significant to the company that is going to spend $433 million yearly for the rights to show the games in Canada.
      Rogers has no choice but to start charging Canadians big money for these games. Advertising will only bring in so much.

      I foresee “free” streams being shut down and lawyers’ letters and law suits to follow.
      RDS could have prevented this by buying national french language rights from TVA Sports. However, do we actually believe that Peladeau would sell these rights, especially now when they have their competitor by the short and curlies?

      The sad truth is that NHL hockey in Canada over the next few years is going to become very expensive to watch, especially if your favourite team is not considered by Rogers to be “local”.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        We can bend-over and be anally-violated, or …We can scream bloody murder.

        Do not underestimated the power of bad-press, lost revenues and the ire of the World’s largest most-diverse hockey club Fan base 🙂

      • HardHabits says:

        RDS streamed all Habs games a few years back. I subscribed. It was wonky but for the most part decent. It can be done and it doesn’t cost that much to do.

      • Subbanarama says:

        Since this ‘blackout’ is done by Rogers will this effect Telus’ cable packages in BC that include RDS as well????? Either way I have signed the petition.

        un boulet de canon

  15. DipsyDoodler says:

    Shane churla works for us now? Really?

    I googled him to see if maybe I misrembered him as an embarrassment to the game, and the first thing that came up was his mugshot from a recent arrest in Wisconsin.


    Moving. Forward.

  16. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    This is the first time I have heard/read the name Evan Wardley, but if he is a young thug in training, I approve. While the Habs are a classy organisation, and Laraque and Parros were gentleman-pugilists in the twilight of their careers, what the Habs need is an enormous thug who can fight the other team’s thug, and if he can play 4th line and check… That would be great. I hate the staged fights of the Bettman-era NHL, if they’re still going to happen, the Habs need an entry-level guy who will do the do.

  17. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Not being the fastest skater on a fast team is not necessarily a bad thing. Sort of like not being the hottest SI swimsuit model…

  18. Habitant in Surrey says:

    This not scientifically based conjecture, but Galchenyuk may have lost a step as a result of His serious ACL damage


    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    At the NHL camp for draftees in Alex Galchenyuk’s draft year, he won the fastest skater award amongst all those competing, too bad he is so sluggish…….


  20. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Beyond the profoundly irritating subscription plates blocking Our access to prospects photos, I must say these summer dayz talkin’ free-agency, the NHL draft, Development and Rookie Camps are a Hell of a lot of fun fun fun !!! 🙂


    Petition To Protest Roger’s Blacking Out Of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec

    Read and sign at; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  21. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Scherbak must be related to Chucky. Anyway, that practice looked intense. There were some good hits, especially by an invitee Evan Wardley. I looked him up quickly. The 3rd website that popped up was hockeyfights.com (9 fights). Another potential goon I guess…

    • CJ says:

      Wardley, Nevins, Imama…..no shortage of toughness here this week. The Shane Churla effect?

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        He would know…LOL.

        • CJ says:

          Yes he would. His voice obviously carries weight within the organization, based on recent drafting, free agent signings and development camp invites. I’m not opposed. If we can win, while also beating down our opponent, so far the better IMO. I’m not in favor of signing plugs who can’t skate, but there’s room for the next Chris Neil or Shane Corson.

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    For those discussing faster skaters, in the 2011 Habs competition, Max was first, Pyatt second, Desharnais third, PK 4th.


    No idea if Plex competed, he iisn’t in the clip.

  23. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Clicked the link to the Gazette’s photo gallery of the participants at the Habs’ Development Camp.

    But the subscription plate blocks the view when one switches to a different photo. Even making the ESC key ineffective.

    Man, that’s frustrating to Us not living in Montreal. And, it seems, sumtimes, there are more ex-Montrealers that are members of The Gazette’s exalted Commentariat than native Montrealaises.

    Grrrr,can’t there be a by-pass to subscription-blocks fer Us feriners visiting HIO ???

    C’mon Stu !!! …fix that, will Ya !?! …puhleeeze

  24. Mavid ® says:


    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  25. twilighthours says:

    CJ, seriously? 5 players on the Habs faster than Plex? Plex is not particularity quick? I don’t get it.

    Edit: you know what? It’s the summer, and I think I’m done debating hockey until October. Don’t invest any energy into this. I’m out.

    • Chris says:

      If we’re talking flat-out speed, I would probably put Pacioretty #1, Subban #2. After that it is dicey…Plekanec definitely has speed. But Eller and Bourque, when they put their minds to it, can really fly. The problem for both those guys is that they don’t put their mind to it very consistently, unlike Plekanec.

      • Omit says:

        You’re forgetting Bournival.

        “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

      • Caesar says:

        Weisse and Max

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Agreed, Pleks definitely has speed. Not sure how someone can watch many Habs games and not see it.

        Max, Bourque and Bourni are faster, no doubt. Weiss and Eller – perhaps.

        The Gallys, Prust, PAP and DD aren’t as fast.

        For fun, I pulled up his Hockey News scouting report which started with “Has excellent quickness, …”.

        The IIS used Pleks as a comparable for Kasperi Kapenen, the recently drafted player who’s biggest asset is his game breaking speed.

        • Chris says:

          It really is a testament to how fast the Habs are that you can name as many players as we have that are faster than Plekanec, because he certainly is a well-above average skater himself.

          One thing I will say for Plekanec, though, is that he manages his speed better than the rest of those guys. They burn it for one sprint up ice, and then coast back on defence. Plekanec, when his head is in the game, sprints both ways. I suspect he is one of the fittest players on the team, at least cardio-wise.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that Plex probably played a great deal of soccer growing up. No doubt he has that ability to still skate well at end of shifts.

          • scamorza says:

            i would describe him as quick which is not just an attribute of pure speed but also in anticipating plays e.g. breakaways on the PK

            come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

          • UKRAINIANhab says:


            He could have played pro, picked hockey instead

          • Garbo says:

            Not as fast as the Rangers 😉

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Murray has to be the slowest in the league?

    • CJ says:

      Weise, Max, Eller, Bounival and White were all quicker forwards this year. Pleks isn’t slow, and his positional play and anticipation are outstanding, but he doesn’t have exceptional speed. The original comment indicated that Pleks had the kind of speed that made you rise out of your seat (I’m paraphrasing). I watched the team live on a number of occasions and never once thought Pleks’ speed stood out. Again, his best qualities are his anticipation and positional play.

      Just my two cents….

    • CJ says:

      I hope it’s nothing personal Twi. I love your posts and look forward to exchanges with you. In many instances we are on the same side of the fence. Hopefully you will reconsider. October is a long ways away. Again, I hope I haven’t rubbed you the wrong way. Best wishes. CJ

  26. HabFab says:

    For those in need of a hockey fix;

    Sorry but no hockey for Chris.

    • Chris says:

      That’s okay…I’ve been in sports heaven for the past few weeks: Montreal goes deep into the playoffs, the World Cup has been on, we got a pretty awesome Wimbledon tournament, and now the Tour de France is going.

      Still feel bad for Eugenie Bouchard…Petra Kvitova just demolished her. That was ugly. Bouchard is definitely going to have to continue to work on her power, because she’s now been pretty handily dispatched by Sharapova and now Kvitova in the last two Slams. Bouchard is 5’10” and 134 pounds: she’s giving up 20 pounds to Kvitova, Azarenka and Serena Williams, while Sharapova has 4 inches of height on her, which makes a big difference in tennis.

      Bouchard’s got the tools to beat most of the women on the tour, but she’s going to have to find some heavier shots against the big guns if she’s going to win Slams consistently.

      • Cal says:

        Bouchard did not adjust to Kvitova’s serve by being a step back and moving forward on it. She also didn’t hit the angles Kvitova was hitting and didn’t make Kvitova run enough.
        My game plan would have been to make Kvitova run back and forth and to the net and back. Too often, she would only have to make one shot and the point was over. Kvitova played very well, but Bouchard certainly didn’t. I believe her easy defeat of Kerber (another lefty) may have influenced their decision to not change anything.

        On the men’s side, both Federer and Djokovic were constantly adjusting. That was a great match.

        • Chris says:

          Hard to say what she should do. Kvitova just pounds the ball: nobody on the women’s side hits it harder. Bouchard was using the Marion Bartoli strategy of playing the ball on the up-bounce. That takes a lot of skill to pull off, but it is so tough against the women that just pound the ball at you. She probably should have adjusted, but that is a tough adjustment to make after you have been playing the whole tournament that way.

          I’ll be shocked if Bouchard doesn’t win a major. She’s got the Justine Henin mentality going for her. She’s also got good size, but she’s going to have to learn to deal with the really powerful women, particularly Kvitova and Azarenka, for the next few years.

          My favourite female player to watch used to be Martina Hingis: wonderful player, but she just couldn’t keep up with the power of the Williams sisters and Lindsay Davenport. Then I switched to cheering for Justine Henin, and she won some Slams through sheer willpower and fantastic shot-making. But again, the power of the Williams sisters and Clijsters really gave her fits.

          The consensus with Bouchard seems to be that she has no friends on tour, that she is almost ruthlessly focused on getting to the top. That belief in herself will go a long way, especially if she can get her tactics worked out.

      • Haberoooo13 says:

        I have a lot more confidence in Eugenie adjusting and improving to be on top than I am for Milos.


        Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

        • Chris says:

          No question…Raonic just doesn’t have the build to be a #1 in the world. He’s got the booming serve, but if his opponent can play the serve, he becomes very vulnerable.

          • JF says:

            I doubt Raonic will get to be #1, but I think he can be top five. He’s improved immeasurably since this time last year. He didn’t play particularly well against Federer, but that tends to happen to him whenever he reaches a new level. The player I can see being at the very top in a couple of years is Grigor Dimitrov.

      • JF says:

        Bouchard is only twenty and has been on the tour for less than two years. She has so far won only one title, a small one, and been a finalist in two other small tournaments, as well as Wimbledon. I doubt she’s quite ready to win a Grand Slam. She has yet to beat one of the really top players, and, before being spanked by Kvitova, was beaten pretty badly by Li in Australia. I thought she actually put up a very good fight against Sharapova. And she took a set off Serena Williams in Cincinnati last summer. But she has a ways to go, both with her tennis and with her conditioning. I imagine the Wimbledon Final was a revelation to her in terms of how good the top players are and of the level she must reach to be able to beat them. She’ll get there.

        As for Milos Raonic, he’s also making progress, but in more gradual increments. He was demolished by Raphael Nadal in the final of the Roger’s Cup last summer; it was from that point that his game really began to come together. Perhaps it will be the same for Bouchard.

        • Chris says:

          Great points.

          The fact that Bouchard has been in the semis in 3 straight tournaments is a great sign…she’s got some impressive consistency going this season.

          In the French, Bouchard played a great fist set and a half, but then her nerves got her. Sharapova is one of the streakiest players out there, but if you give her a way to worm back into a match, she can really thrash you. I’ve never been able to figure her out. The serve is obviously a huge weakness, but she seems to be mentally fragile at the start of games and then gets tougher and tougher as the games go one. It is very weird.

          Totally agree about Dimitrov, by the way…fun player to watch.

          • JF says:

            I don’t think Sharapova’s mentally fragile – quite the opposite, in fact. Sometimes she just starts badly, and her serve will always be a weakness. Her struggles with it since her shoulder surgery a few years ago are actually a testament to her mental toughness. For a whole year, she was serving strings of double faults and losing her matches, but she didn’t get discouraged. She just kept working at it. She still has problems with it sometimes and in general serves too many double faults, but she doesn’t let it undermine her. I think she’s about the toughest competitor in the women’s game. She and Azarenka – it’s too bad they’re both such shriekers. BTW, that’s a practice that the newest wave of young players seems – thankfully – to have dropped!

            I watched Dimitrov for the first time three or four years ago, and thought right away that he had the talent and the game to reach the top. I think it’s been a question of fitness and commitment for him. His coaches tended to leave (until the present one) because they weren’t seeing the improvement they expected.

      • scamorza says:

        give her time young and still learning. she has had an amazing run, 2 semis, one final, lets see how she does at home with the rogers cup (sorry HIS) in montreal and at the US open

        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  27. Haberoooo13 says:

    Try this again
    @Omit down below for his Bobby Orr line
    Dick irvin and Harry Neale circa 1986 talking about how there was so much scoring in the NHL at the time
    Dick: “Harry, there’s the Rocket here tonight watching the game….how many goals do you think he’d score in today’s hockey?
    Harry: “Rocket would be a solid 20 goal scorer.”
    Dick: “Only 20 goals for the Rocket???”
    Harry: Yeah but Dick…Rocket is now 65 years old.”

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  28. HardHabits says:

    Since we’re trading PK for Weber why not include Price and Rinne as well to really make head lines. Hey, let’s swap logos while we’re at it.

    What if PK for Weber? Yeah what if!!

    Imaginations running wild in the off season.

    Queue PrimeTime…

  29. Haberoooo13 says:

    To some below: How is Subban for Weber a no-brainer? I’ll listen to Weber is better than PK (don’t agree, but I’ll listen)…but a no-brainer????

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      Certainly not a no brainer

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      Agreed, sometimes we tend to over rate players on other teams and under rate our own. I think Drew Doughty is terrific and can’t argue with those who think that he is the best defenceman in the world but I also saw him make some bad giveaways against Chicago. We see whatever warts Subban has because we see him all the time, we don’t notice as much with players on other teams.

    • CJ says:

      Weber is the better player right now. Weber had the better season. It’s true, Weber is older (less than four years), and is likely to decline sooner. But in terms of being a complete defenceman, Weber is there now, while PK is still growing.

      On the other side of the equation is PK. He’s younger and seemingly has yet to reach his full potential. I’m not sure who’s better if both players were at their peak level, but what tips the scale for me is contract. Every single deal that is made is comprised not exclusively of player for player, but the contract carries significant weight. In this regard, with all due respect, we – fans – pick and choose. Many, myself included, hated the Kaberle deal, not because he wasn’t better than Spacek (he clearly was), but because of the contract, which ultimately resulted in a compliance buyout. Weber is signed at $7.85 million for the next 12 years. The last three years are at $1 million dollars. This contract is digestible. What makes it difficult to gauge is the relative unknown of PK’s potential deal. This is purely speculative, but it’s a fair bet to say that PK is going to have a significantly higher cap hit at some point in his career. If not now (say he signs for 8 years at $7 million), then surely on his next deal at 33.

      Again, the majority of the discussion is subjective. My opinion is not worth more than anyone else’s. IMO, I just can’t agree with those who say that PK is the better player right now. Respectfully, they aren’t watching Weber play, because their is a significant difference. Of course, it’s all hypothetical as neither team would make the deal.

      • Paz says:

        I agree that evaluating the contract is important. I also agree that Weber is the better player today. For my money I have Weber as the league’s best dman, period.

        But Subban is more than just a player. Subban is one of those players who is unforgettable. He brings the fans into the arena and then lifts them off their seats. They leave entertained, energized, and excited.

        Subban is special that way. Like Lafleur. Like Maurice Richard.

        • CJ says:

          Fair enough. No denying the electricity that PK introduces into the game. Chris has articulated my point to perfection below. No further comment forthcoming. Cheers, CJ

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        The stage the habs are at in the re-building process, I take Subban over Weber, as I think in 5 years, Subban will be better. If I am the team owner, I take Subban every time for marketability, and I also believe that in 2 or 3 years, there may be no player in the league more fun to watch than PK, there are not many now.

    • Chris says:

      It is a no-brainer for me because I think that Weber is equal to or superior to Subban in most aspects of the game.

      Physical play: Weber >> Subban
      Defensive play: Weber >> Subban
      Leadership: Weber > Subban
      Offensive play: Weber ~ Subban
      Shot: Weber ~ Subban
      Speed: Subban >> Weber
      Skating: Subban > Weber
      Positioning: Weber >> Subban

      One argument I always see is that Subban is going to keep getting better. In all likelihood, he will not get any better offensively. If anything, his offensive numbers will start to slide a little as he rounds out his game and picks his spots more judiciously. This happened with most of the great young defencemen in the game as they matured, and I see no reason why Subban won’t continue to round out his game as well.

      If we’re talking about the ability to bring fans out of their seats, Subban wins in a landslide. But while that is obviously a nice perk, it doesn’t win hockey games.

      Subban is a very good defenceman, top-5 to top-10 in the NHL. Weber is #1.

      Does Subban eventually get to #1? Maybe. But he’s going to have to supplant Weber along the way, and I don’t see Weber’s play slipping anytime soon. He strikes me as a guy that can play at an elite level well into his late 30’s: his game is centered around positioning, not speed.

  30. Haberoooo13 says:

    No idea how Scherbak will turn out as a player, but is attitude and smarts are A+ .

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  31. mchenske4 says:

    So who are the replacements for Vanek and Parros, or are we back to the same thing as a few years ago….no elite scorer, no policeman 🙁

  32. Max_a_million says:

    Well if you are going to trade a centre, Mike Fisher from Nashville tore his achilles out 6 months, and that’s a slow one to come back from.

    I read an interesting opinion on the Gorges trade. Someone suggested waiting until teams struck out on the top defensive free agents to land a bigger haul. Makes a lot of sense, although I guess you don’t want to be stuck.. Seems like Gorges wouldn’t be a hard guy to trade regardless.

    • Paz says:

      For a second round draft pick. Yes. It’s usually not difficult to trade a dman who has been playing top 4 for an East Conf finalist, for a 2nd round draft pick.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Barring picking up a solid, young, cheap prospect a la Franson, I think the pure salary dump is exactly what MB & co. were after.

      It just gave them a lot more flexibility, and with the whole leaked trade thing in the air, MB would have been dealing from a weaker position, which would have only gotten worse as the summer progressed.

      • Max_a_million says:

        Uncomfortable yes, weaker no. There are some teams who played musical chairs and ended up with no top 4 defencemen they depserately need. The market was thin, Orpik was paid a ransom.
        It would have been unconformable, and MB doesn’t do that. Definitely not weaker.

        • johnnylarue says:

          When the 29 other GMs know you been painted into a corner and HAVE to trade a player, then yes, you’re dealing from a weaker position. That’s just the (nearly prehistoric) rule of economics at work.

          • Max_a_million says:

            Economics 101: Supply and demand, at least 4 teams don’t have top 4 d-men that desperately want one if you take him away from buffalo. Others may have settled for someone less when they would have preferred Gorges. Hence not weaker.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      Gorges has lots of miles on his body and at $3.9 per, I think MB did well.

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      @ Omit for his Bobby Orr line
      Dick Irvin and Harry Neale circa 1986 talking about how there was so much scoring in the NHL at the time
      Dick: “Harry, there’s the Rocket here tonight watching the game….how many goals do you think he’d score in today’s hockey?”
      Harry: “Rocket would be a solid 20 goal scorer.”
      Dick: “Only 20 goals for the Rocket???”
      Harry: Yeah but Dick…Rocket is now 65 years old.”

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  33. Ktowner says:

    I have always enjoyed this time of the hockey season when all the fans speculate about what player would fit in what role and all the related trade talk.
    However let’s get one thing straight. This franchise has the chance to set themselves up with a genuine franchise player in PK Suban. He is the real deal. He is one of the best skaters to come along in a very long time. He is faster, smoother and has better acceleration than Coffey, or Orr, or Crosby, or anyone else in the post expansion (television) era. His point shot is devastating, his release is quick, he can shoot from either side and he will only get better at it. He can hit and isn’t afraid of anyone. He demonstrated this playoff year his ability and desire to lead by example. One of his best assets is the fact other teams and their fans hate him.
    Price was locked up long term and has established himself as one of the best a franchise netminder.
    MB needs to settle very soon with a multi-year deal in the 8-9 million region if he doesn’t we will lose a very rare opportunity indeed.

    • JohnInTruro says:

      You lost me at he is faster than Crosby et al. I love the guy too, but let’s be realistic here.

      • Ktowner says:

        He is faster than Crosby, watch how he strides, and his acceleration is unmatched. Crosby is much better at protecting the puck because he is built a lot like Bobby Hull – a big rear end and not too rangy and as a forward, it is all about puck control. Suban is the most mobile defense man in the game today.
        We all have our opinions and I have stated mine.

    • PrimeTime says:

      A deal will get done. Both sides want it. PK has shown he can improve on his game and wants to get better so he’s worth the investment. However MB can’t let him write his own ticket. The team needs much more than PK to win a cup. PK wants to win too so I think he’ll understand cap space is needed for future contracts.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Crosby is ranked as the ninth fastest skater in the league, PK is not on the list.

    • Chris says:

      As others have pointed out, you are grossly overstating the skating of P.K. Subban. He is not even close to the league of Paul Coffey. The only defencemen that approach that level in recent years are Scott Niedermayer and perhaps Erik Karlsson, pre-Achilles injury. Subban is a great skater, with strong footwork and agility, but he is not generally perceived as being one of the fastest skaters in the NHL.

      And when you factor in the era and the equipment, Orr blows Subban’s socks off.

      • Paz says:

        Barefooted, no less!

        • Chris says:

          Ray Scapinello is the fastest guy I’ve ever seen. Even at age 50, he was blowing a lot of the NHL guys out of the water.

          At his charity events, he will often skate with his skates untied. During his NHL officiating career, his skates were just unbelievably loose.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Did you watch the Eastern Final?

      Carl Hagelin is the fastest skater in the NHL. The habs were blown away by his speed. Grabner is a close second. You never see that with PK.

      • Chris says:

        Carl Hagelin is up there, for sure…I was worried about his speed going into the Rangers series. Marian Gaborik is lightning fast too, although he doesn’t use it as often as he used to. Phil Kessel is one of the best pure skaters in the NHL…even at the Olympics, against the best skaters in the world, he was blowing by just about everybody.

        Darren Helm has lost a step due to all his injuries, but he’s still fun to watch. Matt Duchene and Taylor Hall (with that weird stride) are both stupidly fast players that are only just now getting to full-speed in the NHL.

        And I was absolutely blown away at how much faster Steven Stamkos has become while watching the Montreal-Tampa series. There were a couple of shifts where he made everybody else on the ice look like they were standing still. Never saw him skate THAT fast before. Throw that weapon on top of his shot and that guy is getting unstoppable.

        • Max_a_million says:

          Phil Kessel has that amazing hop step and go, so fast.

          You have a lot of them … Duncan Keith!

          • Chris says:

            It is weird…I keep seeing Keith’s name in the fastest skater lists, but I’ve never been particularly struck by his speed during games. I’ll have to key in on that in the future.

            I would also put Ryan McDonagh ahead of P.K. Subban in terms of skating ability. McDonagh was just flying in the Habs-Rangers series. I still shudder at seeing him chase down Brendan Gallagher on that breakaway attempt with plenty of room to spare despite starting in the crease while Gallagher started at the blue line.

          • Max_a_million says:

            Keith is like a water bug, so effortless. He glides on top of the ice.

    • Omit says:


      PK can skate faster than Bobby Orr, but you have to take into account that Orr is 65-yrs old.

      “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

    • The_Truth says:

      I have to agree that you are overrating Subban’s skating. It’s good, but not exceptional. At times I found him slower footed getting back when he was caught.

      I actually think Beaulieu looks to be a better skater, never mind guys like Coffey and Crosby.

  34. Un Canadien errant says:

    It seems like an offensive festival at the scrimmage, 4-3 for Team White over Team Red. Mike McCarron has a goal, Jiri Sekac has 2. You can get updates on the Canadiens Twitter account, or by visiting here:


    I don’t understand why these scrimmages aren’t televised, with Pierre Houde and Marc Denis calling the action, and a between periods panel of Martin Lapointe, Trevor Timmins and Serge Boisvert. I’d watch this over any game against the Senators.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  35. WVHabsfan says:

    Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

  36. Phil C says:

    Just watched the video above of Nikita Scherbak. It’s hard not to like this kid. He has charisma without being cocky or arrogant. I think a kid like this could really blossom with the guidance the Habs development staff can give him. I guess I’ll have to wait few years to find out, but he is the gem of this draft for sure.

    • scamorza says:

      just darn cute right. You can see he was getting a bit tired towards the end but heck hard to speak ad infinitum in a second language. Also saw the interview with Sekac on TSN equally impressed
      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  37. on2ndthought says:

    Sherback: #28 “I’m just hard work”

    “a cannonading drive”

  38. Un Canadien errant says:

    Mike McCarron says he’s training with Jarred Tinordi and Bo Horvat in London, and has already put on five pounds this summer, and weighs 241 pounds right now. He says the team has asked him to work on his speed, so that’s what he’s focusing on right now.


    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  39. on2ndthought says:

    stop trading PK; you’re breaking my heart

    “a cannonading drive”

  40. WVHabsfan says:

    Do any of you guys know anything about this Imama (spelling) kid at camp? I couldn’t find much online about him other that that he appears to like to drop the gloves. Thanks in advance!!

    • Steven says:

      A friend of mine used to skate with him. He never described him as a fighter(though apparently he is). Supposedly, he’s a pretty decent offensive player, but not so much so that he’ll make the team, according to that friend’s analysis.

    • CJ says:

      I’ve seen him live twice. He’s certainly a very aggressive player. He’s very raw, but got around the ice effortlessly. He’s not afraid to fight anyone, but he can also play the game. He’s still 17, turning 18 in September. I fully expect his point total to double and his stock to rise considerably. Montreal’s getting in on the ground floor and might offer a contract to guard against him being selected if he re entered the draft next season.

    • piper says:

      very tough kid. just checked him out on DYG

  41. Un Canadien errant says:

    Love this interview with Nathan Beaulieu. He looks serious, mature, grounded, mentions he’s been training hard and wants to show that to the team, that he’s at the camp to improve and learn, and “make a big step”. He wants to get “bigger, stronger, more mature.”


    Great, great stuff.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I don’t know if there’s a skate donned/doffed situation going on, or some of these guys are standing on a box, but Mike McCarron is towering over the scrum, the shelf behind him is about at his neck-shoulder level, same with Jacob De La Rose, the shelf is right at his neck. The clip before that, Daniel Audette was standing at his stall with the shelf comfortably over his head, with generous clearance.

    • JohnInTruro says:

      Norm I LOVED Nate’s interview. He screamed a much calmer, humbler, mature individual. I think he got it now, and is done messing around. Blown away by his change in maturity.

  42. JUST ME says:

    Something tells me that this Sekac guy is going to make it with the Habs or at least get a good trial run. Still do not understand what the buzz is around him and why 15 teams were running after him. 22 years old ,no outstanding stats au contraire. Must be something i don`t get…

    Saw that you guys were debating the Nygren case. I just do not feel it with the Habs. Bergevin usually asks the kids to show him they deserve a spot with the big team, this guy does the opposite and expect to have favors ? I see him as a trade bait in a package deal with maybe a goaler.

    I have been behind the Cube all along because he is a real warrior but it is time to let go . I know that he is well considered in MTL but it`s time to look forward.

    Still think that Budaj will be number 2 and finish his last year of his deal while Tokarski plays tons of hockey in the AHL or somewhere else in the NHL.

    • frontenac1 says:

      He just scored in the scrimmage,according to tweet.

    • Phil C says:

      I think many teams were after him because he is probably NHL ready and all he costs you is an entry level contract. Even if he only ends up being a 3rd liner, he improves your team without costing you any assets. Unsigned college players who are late bloomers are the same. It’s like getting a free agent, but at entry level cost. There is really no downside even if they are not top-end players. If he blossoms into a top six guy, it is a complete steal.

      • JUST ME says:

        What you say does make sense Phil c but i just do not understand what teams see in him cause if you look at his stats on hockeydb he has been below average in points.

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          As he said though, when he was in North America, he couldn’t speak english, and there are a number of European players who increased their scoring in the NHL, depends a lot on the style they play, and those European games can be pretty defensive affairs, but then I haven’t seen any KHL games, so hard to comment on that part.

    • CJ says:

      What do they say about making a great first impression….Sekac has two goals today, midway through the second.

    • Max_a_million says:

      They said he was the best player on his KHL team every night.

  43. frontenac1 says:

    Thanks habfab.

  44. Maritime Ronn says:

    Question for HIO:

    Nashville GM David Poile gives Habs GM Marc Bergevin a call.

    He says Shea Weber is available…because the Nashville owners have difficulty with the cash payments – not the Cap Hit…and need a marketable player to sell tickets in return.

    Shea Weber’s Cap Hit is only $7.8M, while his Salary/Bonus actual Cash payments are $13M for the next 2 years, and $8M for the 2 years after that.

    Weber turns 29 next month…and has 12 years left on his contract (and really, who cares after the year 2020?)

    GM Poile wants a 1 for 1 deal.
    Weber for Subban.

    Do you do the deal?

    Weber is a proven elite Top 3 NHL Dman that can play in any situation – the reason why he was a Top 4 at the Olympics.

    Subban has shown elite ‘ability’ – a true Game Changer, (one way or the other) yet is not trusted in all situations.

    Subban will have a Cap Hit of $1M more than Weber.

    If at all possible, and parking the Love for Subban vs. the known all around elite play of Shea Weber…Do you do the deal?

    Both players do NOT have NTCs.

    • Arnou Ruelle says:

      If Subban ups his level of play (w/c I believe he can) that is comparable to either Weber or Doughty and presents a reasonable extension if he signs, the answer is NO.

      Plus, Subban is 25 and is in prime shape.

    • Chris says:

      Weber for Subban is a no-brainer as far as I am concerned. Weber is better than Subban in just about every aspect of the game: he is more physical, he is a better defender, he is a better leader, and his offensive game is on par with that of Subban.

      • CJ says:

        Agreed. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. I’d take the sure thing, who’s already under contract long term. I’m almost certain that I know the kind of player that PK will become, but Weber is already that guy. Lastly, how Weber has not won the Norris is one of the game’s great mysteries. So long as Steve Simmons has a vote, anything’s possible I suppose.

      • tophab says:

        cris webber is not as good as subban right now and subbans getting better webber is not.would not trade subban for anybody.

        • CJ says:

          I like Subban, but I’d trade him for MacKinnon, Tavares, Doughty……

          Removing emotion from the conversation, do you honestly feel that PK had a better season than Weber? Subban had the better playoffs (uncontested). Weber shone at the Olympics. In the regular season, Weber had a much better year.

        • Chris says:

          Weber just posted his career highs in goals, assists, points, and shooting percentage. Somebody might want to tell him that he’s not getting any better. I suspect that most Habs fans would declare Weber the best defenceman in the NHL if he played in Montreal.

          Subban gets a home-town fan bump, but he’s still got some warts to get rid of before he can be put into Weber’s category.

    • Trollhunter says:

      YES. I’d even take Jones to be honest. No disrespect to Subban I love his game but I would do it.

      S G

    • Cal says:

      Weber has never had to play where hockey matters, nor has he played in the playoffs very much.
      In 43 playoff games, PK has 30 points.
      Weber-in the same amount of games, has 20.
      So, no, I don’t do the deal. Weber has pretty much reached his peak while Subban has yet to tap into his full potential.

      • CJ says:

        Expect the Olympics, where it’s the world’s biggest stage.

        • Cal says:

          Pfffft. The Olympics was dull hockey against mainly crap competition. Only 2 games were even half decent.
          My other argument is $52 mill over the next 4 seasons.
          That’s insanity.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Can’t compare Euro Hockey to NHL.

          • CJ says:

            He was a key member of, arguably, the best WJC team of all time. He was second in points among all defencemen at the 2010 Olympics and selected as a tournament all star. This, in addition to his contributions at the Olympics in 2014 and over and above his play with the Predators. Lastly, keep in mind he’s signed long term to what will be a very manageable cap hit. Never mind the fact that the contract is front loaded. For a cash machine, revenue generator like Montreal, the only concern is cap hit. I’d much rather Weber at $7.5 than PK at potentially $8-$9 million annually.

        • Cal says:

          The WJC doesn’t really impress me. In fact, junior hockey is only good if you enjoy watching mistake after mistake after mistake.
          Shea Weber lucked out on the mentally challenged contract the Flyers offered him and showed no loyalty at all to the Preds by signing it. PK, over and over again, has always said he wants to play with the Habs.
          That $7.857 mil cap hit- it’s close to 8, isn’t it?- lasts until 2026, well past Weber’s retirement. He just ain’t worth it.

    • mrhabby says:

      it would never ever, ever happen.. nice to think about it.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Weber is a beast in every aspect. Like Chris says it is a no brainer and I 100% agree.

      Weber would make the habs even better instantly

    • on2ndthought says:

      I don’t make the trade because I love PK. Most GMs, probably DO make the trade. It sure makes the captain thingy go away. I tend to agree with Cal here, and I really don’t want to trade the one guy who pulls you out of your seat (the most, Pleks does with speed, Gally with grit, and Carey on the rare occasion he’s a little out of position) on the team.

      “a cannonading drive”

      • CJ says:

        There’s at least five forwards faster then Pleks…..

        • on2ndthought says:

          really? he’s got the knack of making a defensive play and steaming off after the puck on a breakaway. seems to happen once a week at least. If he could bury half those chances no one here would be talking about trading him.

          “a cannonading drive”

          • CJ says:

            It’s true Pleks works hard, as does DD, but neither are particularity quick. Pleks hockey IQ allows him to get into position. I’d say the same about Gionta. Gio was one of the slower guys on the team, but nobody had as many breakaways. Although I was not a major fan of their playoffs, there’s no denying that both consistently put themselves into position to score. Unfortunately both lack finish.

            Lastly, I do agree. If Pleks could finish, he’d be an elite player. He can’t, so he’s regarded as second tier.

    • scamorza says:

      think long term PK will be a better player. Not as good defensively yet as Weber but think he is one of the few game changers on d along with doughty. Karlsson would be in the same class but don’t see the same defensive upside or other physical attributes. SO no keep PK

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

      • CJ says:

        I agree, PK’s ceiling might be higher. Is that potential not negated, when making a side by side comparison, when the contract is included? What if PK signs for $9.5 million annually. Is he still better value then Weber? IMO, the contract is the major variable. We know what Weber will make for the duration, but PK’s unrealized potential is easier to qualify than his contract is to quantify.

        • scamorza says:

          agree on that but I don’t have to pay the bills:-) still think PK can be a bigger superstar as far as weber goes but an emphasis on “CAN”. A lot of factors will come in play including his maturation as they say. On your point on $ though i would suggest on that fact perhaps the preds would want more than just PK rather than straight up .
          come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

          • CJ says:

            Fair points. Fun to speculate. Thank you for sharing. I enjoy your posts and value your opinion. Cheers, CJ

    • Omit says:

      M R

      Do I get to keep at least one testicle??

      “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

    • bustthebusters says:

      In a heartbeat. Subban is nowhere close to Weber now in his overall game and given his performance last year he does not project to be. He looked slow, was caught out of position frequently and I just loved the flailing sticks and body twirls. If he can get more speed in his game and play better positional hockey, he’s got a shot. No way he ever achieves parity in the toughness game. God forbid he gets 8 years. 4 max at 6.5 to 7.5.

  45. 24 Cups says:

    An interesting fact is that the Habs will only have three, secondary UFA contracts next summer (Malhotra, Weaver and Budaj).

    The team will also have five bridge contract renewals and to the best of my knowledge no arbitration RFA deals.

    Looks like some major financial stability for two years especially if the cap rises next summer.

    24 Cups

  46. mark-ID says:

    At least we know that if Chucky gets hurt…..we can just throw his jersey on Scherbak, and no one will be the wiser.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  47. HabFab says:

    Canadiens Montréal – At 4 p.m., prospects will take the ice for a scrimmage game! We’ll have the full play-by-play for you on Twitter.

  48. HabFab says:

    Canadiens Montréal – Forward Stefano Momesso (Smiths Falls–CCHL) added to the list of players invited to the Canadiens’ 2014 Development Camp.

    Sergio’s boy I believe.

  49. mrhabby says:

    July 4th celebrations in Chicago. Over a 3 day period over 60 people injured and approx 12 dead. Gotta love those gun laws.

  50. Mats26 says:

    Line 2a – PAC – AG27 – Gallagher
    Line 3a- Bourque – Eller – PAP
    Line 3b DLR – Plex – Sekac
    Line 4 Prust – MM – Bourni

    Markov- Subban
    Emelin- Gilbert
    Beaulieu/ Tinordi/Weaver/Pateryn
    Trade dd + budaj to somebody cap floor challenged looking for a creative centre and decent backup for picks /forward prospects.

  51. IF MB decides to move Subban in a possible trade? Which team in Western Conference would be best suited for Subban? What will Habs be looking to get in return for Subban? Just wondering here?

    • fastfreddy says:

      Don’t know what team will be involved, however, I would imagine a top 1st line player, a prospect , and a 1st rounder are probably mentioned in a possible trade with Subban.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Chris says:

      Anaheim would be the best trade partner, IMO: they want to contend, and they are the only one of the big contenders out west that doesn’t have a young, stud defenceman quite yet.

      I think they are probably happy with the much cheaper and rapidly improving Hampus Lindholm and Cam Fowler, but if there was a trade that I could see happening, it would involve Subban and Lindholm as the centrepieces. And I don’t think the return over and above Lindholm would be as lucrative as a lot of Habs fans would probably like to believe.

    • Bogie Man says:

      LA or Chicago. They would have some interesting assets possibly to come the other way.

  52. mrhabby says:

    Jerome Iginlas career earnings are $83m and change..just saying.

  53. 24 Cups says:

    I just watched the Sekac interview on the TSN website.
    – sums up his failure in junior to a lack of English language
    – prefers to play left wing over right
    – sees his best two attributes as being his skating and his work in the corners
    – strikes me as being a down to earth, level headed young man
    – I think a lot will depend on how MT & MB see the role for the 14th forward. I’d still rather have Ott as the 13th man with Moen as the 14th which would allow the three kids to spend the year in Hamilton for seasoning.

    24 Cups

  54. fastfreddy says:

    Here’s how I see it. If Magnus Nygren can’t beat out Weaver, Gorges, Boullion, Gilbert, (maybe Emelin), then maybe he’s not a good draft pick. I hope he sticks.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  55. huge_polar_bear says:

    I enjoyed the interview with Sekac. He did really well fielding the questions in English. Here’s hoping that we found a late bloomer (since he was never drafted).

  56. DAVE. N says:

    Serious Note: Senators G.M Brian Murray diagnosed with an unspecified Cancer, and will be starting immediate treatment.
    Thoughts with him.

    Save the planet. Compost a Leaf.

  57. HabFab says:

    From the weigh in’s; Sekac was 182 and Scherbak was 189 while de la Rose was 203.

    HabsTV has player interviews downloaded including Scherbak and Sekac.

  58. HabFab says:

    Berkie tweets a copy of the A and B team rosters for the camp;

    Only 48 names, as Carr, Thrower and Crisp are recovering from surgeries.

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    An interesting sidebar to the Blues/Avs – Hitchcock/Roy rivalry that developed last year, is the signing of Stastny by the Blues.



    • 24 Cups says:

      Too little, too late from Colorado. Stastny may have been overpaid on his last contract ($6.6M?) but he can get in line for that NHL honour. He was one of the top three UFAs this summer and had the advantage of only being 28 years old. At least the four years of his contract ($28M) will be high end production years.

      Did St Louis overpay? For sure but not by that much. Maybe a mil a season. Compare that to the Oprik and Bolland contracts. Or Cammy’s deal after he did squat for the past few seasons. The Blues made a great deal here. One of the best of any team. The Avalanche got nothing in return and are still left with the O’Reilly debacle which will cost them plenty. Roy and Sakic can cry their crocodile tears but they mismanaged a prime asset.

      24 Cups

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Don’t disagree Steve, if a team is going to overpay for an UFA, best to do so with a player like Stastny who indeed still has productive years ahead of him. I just wonder about the Blues/Avs rivalry thing, and if by chance there was an element of Stastny wanting to stick it to Colorado?

        • CJ says:

          I absolutely agree with this. This will be a key point of contention in the PK contract negotiation. Montreal will argue relative value (comparatively), while Newport sports will argue unrealized potential.

      • Paz says:

        How about the fact that Stastny has close ties in St Louis and that’s where he actually WANTED to play.

        I’m starting to get the feeling that some here would like to see Roy fail.

  60. secretdragonfly says:

    List of invitees to development camp.

  61. habs001 says:

    Is arbitration still based on the concept that both sides give an offer and the arbitrator decides on one of the offers? This helps players more than a straight decision by the arbitrator based on past performance…Eller would be getting way less if it was based on past performance.

    • CJ says:

      Over and above considering the starting points re salary structure, the arbitrator will consider similarities around the league to determine value. Players and their salaries, specifically Karlsson, Letang, Doughty, Phaneuf, Green, Pietrangelo could be raised as barometers or gauges. IMO, PK won’t realize his full value when presenting his case in front of a third party. He has a Norris trophy, albeit in a strike shortened season. This likely carries the greatest weight, although it will likely be further dissected because of it’s anomaly.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The Arbitration Judge can award what he feels is fair between the 2 numbers put forward.

      The evidence that can be used in arbitration cases:

      •The player’s “overall performance” including statistics in all previous seasons.
      •Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
      •The player’s length of service with the team and in the NHL.
      •The player’s “overall contribution” to the team’s success or failure.
      •The player’s “special qualities of leadership or public appeal.”
      •The performance and salary of any player alleged to be “comparable” to the player in the dispute.

      Evidence that is not admissible:

      •The salary and performance of a “comparable” player who signed a contract as an unrestricted free agent.
      •Testimonials, video and media reports.
      •The financial state of the team.
      •The salary cap and the state of the team’s payroll.

  62. Maritime Ronn says:

    Although there isn’t a major rush to find a replacement for former assistant Coach Gallant, a replacement from within would not be a stretch.

    The 3 names that come to mind are Martin Lapointe, Scott Mellanby, and Donald Audette.

    Some may question the “No NHL Coaching Experience” aspect, yet GMMB went behind the bench for Chicago in 2008 after 3 years as a Pro Scout.
    He had no previous experience, and also may want the next generation of Habs management to experience that.
    (Both assistant Habs GMs Dudley and Carriere are +60 years old)

    Some have mentioned Pascal Vincent of Winnipeg – hired by Claude Noel and inherited by Paul Maurice last year, yet his contract status is unknown.

    Also to note – at this week’s Development Camp, there are 2 Invited Coaches:
    Dominic Ducharme from the Halifax Mooseheads, and Eric Veilleux from Baie-Comeau.

    Ducharme is an interesting candidate.
    41 years old and a Memorial Cup win.

    “Ducharme has also been involved with Hockey Canada assisting Quebec in the 2011 World Under-17 Hockey Challenge, and most recently, an assistant coach for the Canada Under-18 National Team at the 2013 Memorial of Ivan Hlinka tournament.”

    No doubt he probably knows how to handle and communicate with youth…a Head Coach-Youth Player conduit the Habs may need for the next several years.

    As for jumping directly from the “Q” to the NHL, André Tourigny did just that when Patrick Roy called upon him to be his assistant coach.
    The Avs didn’t do too bad last year….

    Perhaps Ducharme may not be ready for the Habs, yet may be a great addition to Hamilton and to be groomed for the future.

    • Phil C says:

      I have absolutely no problem with a coach going from junior to an NHL assistant job. As an assistant, you are not the boss, nor are you the one making the final decisions. You have an opportunity to be mentored and to watch and learn from the head coach. You don’t need to be a completely well rounded coach, you can get away with being be a little raw if you have talent.

      I’m just not a fan of making the jump to NHL head coach from junior. Obviously it can be done but I think it’s risky without previous experience.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi phil

        From here, an assistant doesn’t necessarily have to have ‘Played’, yet needs to possess knowledge and insight and be respected in the room as a smart guy.
        If not, he is snuffed out quickly and problems start immediately…

        He also needs to be able to communicate and understand the young ones – get them through their ‘junk’ of growing up, and all of a sudden having big money.

        He needs to be an ear – sometimes sympathetic, sometimes tough…yet always the favored conduit between him and the head coach.
        There has to be Trust….not as easy as it may sound, and why the LA Kings gave John Stevens a new title and big money to keep him.

    • CJ says:

      Now that compensation is being proposed, might Montreal want to go outside the organization and add another member to leadership group? I agree that it would stand to reason to reassign an internal member, however this proposed new rule could adjust the thinking. There’s no salary cap, so, IMO, it might make sense to add a few additional assets to hockey operations, knowing that they will receive a third round pick as compensation should any member of the staff (Gallant) be poached.

      This is an area where the larger market teams and their expanded budgets can leverage their assets and “tax” the smaller market teams. Or, at the very least, they can force the smaller market teams to go in a different direction and promote staff from the junior ranks (which might not be a bad thing either).

  63. Habfan17 says:

    For those of you wondering why Nygren is a no show, he was not invited. Probably for the same reason Tinordi was not invited. He has been playing pro and is older and therefore may not qualify for the camp. It may also be to allow for other to attend. There may be a limit as to how many may be invited.

    I don’t see this as Nygren being out of the Habs plans at all.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      Problem is, it was already speculated here that indeed his absence confirms his days as a Hab are over. Everything written here is evenutally confirmed and becomes fact.

      It was a nice draft pick Nygren, too bad we never got to see him….

      • Fake says:

        you say that as if it’s some sort of tragedy and a done deal. if they trade him, they’ll at least get something for him. this isn’t Erik Karlsson we’re talking about. although no disrespect to the player.

        • Cal says:

          100 MPH slapshots don’t come along every day. At the point, Nygren is the real deal.
          Whether or not he can play defense is another story.

          • Fake says:

            so Cal, what exactly are you debating? as I said, I mean no disrespect to the player. I found that HabInBurlington was being a little over-dramatic.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I was being facetious, reading how others speculate based on strands of information.

          • Cal says:

            Just saying the guy has a hell of a slapper. Wouldn’t be bad to have on the 2nd wave PP so PK doesn’t have to play 2 full minutes.

      • hansolo says:

        Magnus, we hardly knew ya…

        I hope actually that we know him for a long time, and that his absence from the camp is just that, not anything else.

    • SovereignTech says:

      It has already been confirmed that Nygren will be attending training camp with the habs in the fall(unless he is moved before then), with no guarantees he won’t be sent to Hamilton. MB has already had discussions with his agent and the plan is to try and move him if he does not make the team out of training camp. Otherwise he will be going back overseas. His goal is, and has always been, to make the NHL.

  64. stephen says:

    TSN reports that Senators GM, Bryan Murray, has been diagnosed with cancer.


    Recently, on ‘free agent frenzy’ day, I referred to him as a ‘bitter old man’, based on his caustic remarks about what he seemed to think of as the failings of the team’s previous two captains.

    Evidently, I had no idea of his condition at the time, but only wish him and his family the very best in his recovery. Hope he is able to fully return to his functions and live a happy and healthy life.

    • CJ says:

      Sad news indeed. I certainly had no inclination that he was sick, but I watched a side of Murray I’d never seen before on July 1st. I remember commenting on how he looked and sounded like a defeated man. I only hope that this sentiment applies professionally, and not personally.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        What I noticed recently was the weight loss in his face.
        I put that down to perhaps a man looking after his weight (health) for a soon to be 72 years old guy.

        While there is NEVER any silver lining in the dark cloud of the horrendous “C” thing, what wasn’t mentioned is what type and how far along…

      • Phil C says:

        It’s too bad about his health, it probably has contributed to his demeanor.

        On the hockey side of things, it has really gone sideways for them in a few years. They did that great rebuild on the fly, stockpiled a bunch of picks, had a lot of good young players in the system. Unfortunately most of their prospects turned into third and fourth liners or have yet to blossom. And they gave up a lot for Bobby Ryan who may walk next year. They got nothing for Bishop and not a great return on Spezza. Who knows, maybe they are better than I think.

        • CJ says:

          Trouble is, Melynk is a combination of too proud and too stupid. They should tank and go through a proper rebuild. Much like the Leafs, they’ve been good enough to finish outside the draft lottery, but bad enough to win a combined ONE playoff series victories in eight years. Unless Anderson and Lehner stand on their respective heads, this is going to be a bad team. We talk about trying to improve our 5×5 scoring. The Sens are hoping Turris, Zibby and Curtis Lazar are going to offset the loss of Spezza. Turris as a number one is going to get hurt.

          • Phil C says:

            Legwand will help do some of the heavy lifting for Turris at least defensively, but yeah, it’s hard to see where the goals will come from beyond that first line.

    • Habcouver says:

      Praying for Murray to win his battle.
      Real life issues put important things into perspective.

      We Are (Not) All Canucks.
      Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!

      • habs_54321 says:

        best of luck to Bryan and his battle with this terrible disease, hopefully it was a very very early detection and treatment will be quick.

    • CH Marshall says:

      I can only imagine the stress he’s dealt with as GM, notwithstanding negative issues of players asking to leave. Years of it can definately take its toll..

  65. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Seems to hot out for hockey.

    Maybe they should all go golfing or something idk

  66. roblack says:

    Two boys are playing hockey on a pond in a park

    in Toronto, when one is attacked by a rabid Rottweiler.
    Thinking quickly, the other boy takes his stick, wedges it down the dog’s collar and twists, breaking the dog’s neck.
    A reporter who was strolling by sees the incident, and rushes over to interview the boy.
    “Young Leafs Fan Saves Friend From Vicious Animal,” he starts writing in his notebook.
    “But I’m not a Leafs fan,” the little hero replied.
    “Sorry, since we are in Toronto, I just assumed you were.” said the reporter and starts again.
    “Little Jays Fan Rescues Friend From Horrific Attack” he continued writing in his notebook.
    “I’m not a Jays fan either,” the boy said.
    “I assumed everyone in Toronto was either a Leafs or Jays fan. What team, do you root for?” the reporter asked.
    “I’m a Montreal Canadiens fan.” the child said.
    The reporter starts a new sheet in his notebook and writes, “Little French Bastard from Montreal Kills Beloved Family Pet.”

  67. New says:

    The development camp is a great thing, not only for the “chosen” but also for the guys who aren’t flagged as prospects to show folks that talent isn’t confined to a Friday evening and Saturday morning in June. Good luck to each of the invitees and each of the tryouts.

    At least seven open spots this year, 24 of the 50 in 2015. Want to make some money then now is the time to step up to the wicket.

  68. HardHabits says:

    Looking at the moves so far in the Atlantic there seems to be little doubt that the Habs should make the play-offs next season.

    Boston lost Iginla, Thornton and Meszaros, are hit with close to 5M in bonuses from last season, and have a bunch of players to sign.

    Tampa’s D was exposed last play-off so they made moves to improve that aspect of their game as well as adding a solid back-up.

    The Sabres and Panthers were bottom feeders so all they can see is up from where they are sitting. Sabres look to be in major rebuild mode and Panthers appear to marginally improved.

    Detroit is having worse of time than TO in the PR department. They’ve stagnated big time, are older and looking like ready for a rebuild in a year or two. Ottawa regressed. Toronto is a joke.

    That leaves a weaker Boston and a stronger Tampa Bay to contend with.

    The real story is the strength of the West, most notably the Central division. It looks way easier to get into the play-offs in a 16 team East than it is in the 14 team West.

    Colorado, St. Louis, Chicago, Minnesota and Dallas makes the Central look like the group of death. All those teams got better and were already good to begin with. Even with all those powerhouses it still appears that the Kings will win at least one more Cup in the next 5 years.

    Yes I am optimistic about the Habs chances in the East. Not so when considering the West. The one hope is that, should the Habs make it to the dance… possibly they do so less banged up than their Western counterpart… hypothetically speaking of course.

    • bwoar says:

      Iginla is going to regret going to Colorado for the reasons you mentioned in the Central. He had a way better chance to play for the Cup with Boston; in his shoes I might’ve taken significantly less money to make that work. (Or called my agent to get on the phone with MB.)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Hey Bwoar, most of the stats based analysts are adamant that the Bruins puck possession style of play, combined with the linemates of Kreijci and Lucic were indeed a better fit than what he will have in Colorado.

        He looked so at home in a Bruins jersey, I can now feel very good about hoping his time in Colorado does not go well. He has every right to jump ship each year and try get a cup, but he sure comes across as a mercenary. And one wonders if he is really after a Cup or just the biggest contract.

        • bwoar says:

          It was a weird choice. He actually chose the money over the better odds to reach the final. I get the ship-jumping after being stalled from a winning perspective in Calgary, but man oh man, I don’t like Colorado’s odds of coming outta that dogpile.

          Could be too: he just didn’t like the city of Boston, with er, all that comes with it.

    • Cal says:

      Habs still need two or three upgrades, but it’s a wait and see thing with all the new faces this season.
      The West does look really strong, but all the Habs have to do in the playoffs is beat 1 of them. I was a little surprised how easily LA disposed of the Rags, but that is one solid top to bottom team.

      • HardHabits says:

        The LAK-NYR series was closer than the final tally suggests. The Rags blew a bunch of 2 goal leads in games 1 and 2, both of which they lost in OT.

  69. 24 Cups says:

    When are the Habs going to retire Jiri Sekac’s number?

    24 Cups

  70. John Q Public says:

    Didn’t think so before but now say goodbye to Nygren.

    • Captain aHab says:


      Prepare to be boarded!!

      • John Q Public says:

        Invited to development camp, stayed home.

        • Maksimir says:

          Guy’s 24 – seems a bit old for dev camp?

          • John Q Public says:

            2 strikes.

          • Habbergasted says:

            That doesn’t matter, Habs brass obviously thinks he needs more development, and he does not.

          • Strummer says:

            2 strikes?
            I didn’t realize it was a baseball camp

            “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

          • John Q Public says:

            Yourrrrr outta here !!!
            Don’t pull a Billy Martin. 😆

        • bwoar says:

          He plays professional hockey in a men’s league, and is enjoying success. I would’ve stayed home too. He can help himself more by staying home and working out. I don’t think he’ll ever be a Hab, in any case.

          That said, he may show up in training camp and surprise everyone.

          I should also point out that he may have other personal reasons for not showing up. This isn’t exactly the most important event of the season.

    • HardHabits says:

      Nygren will be at the real training camp.

    • SovereignTech says:

      Nygren has already proven he has what it takes to play in the NHL. He would be an NHL defenseman right now if he was on many other teams roster. The problem with the Habs is that there are 3 D in front of him that are waiting for regular time in the NHL. Kinda tough to leapfrog the teams two top prospects and Pateryn, who had a dynamite season in Hamilton last year. I dont think Nygren is doing himself any favors by declining dev camp, but 1)The guy already plays pro hockey, and 2)He is 24 years old. I don’t blame him in the slightest, and am sure he will show up to training camp ready to usurp one of the big 3.

  71. Walmyr says:

    Thank you sir!

  72. Walmyr says:

    The annual development camp is open to the fans?… at least one day of this week?

  73. Walmyr says:


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