Habs development camp kicks off in Brossard (Video)

Canadiens’ first-round draft pick Michael McCarron took part in the off-ice testing Wednesday morning in Brossard at the start of the Habs’ annual development camp.

Fifty-six players, including 28 drafted by the Canadiens, are at the camp, which ends on Sunday.

“The feeling is awesome,” said McCarron, a 6-foot-5 1/2, 235-pound winger who spent the past two seasons with USA Hockey’s National Team Development Program.

“I know this crest is just so known throughout hockey. When you think of hockey you think of the Canadiens, the most winningest team. It’s nuts. I can’t believe I’m part of it. And I’ll certainly wear it proud.”

As a big guy, McCarron said he thinks he still needs to work on his quickness and consistency. “Being ready to play every night. Some nights I’m good and some nights I’m average. When you’re up here you need to be good every night.”

McCarron hasn’t decided where he’ll play next season. He has signed a letter of intent with the Western Michigan Broncos. The London Knights in the Ontario Hockey League hold his Canadian Hockey League rights.

“I still have to talk to the staff here to see what they think is best for me. I still haven’t made my decision,” McCarron told reporters.

He should make his decision next week and it’s going to be a tough one for him, he said.

McCarron hasn’t gone unnoticed. While at the airport in Toronto for his connecting flight to Montreal “a dozen guys came up to me and ‘hey, are you Mike McCarron?’”

“They wanted a picture…that was the first time I’ve ever been recognized outside the rink so it was pretty special.”

The group of players at the camp includes defenceman Jarred Tinordi, who finished the season with the Habs, Louis Leblanc, the Habs’ first-round pick in 2009, as well as right winger Christian Thomas who was acquired from the New York Rangers on Tuesday in exchange for former Habs’ prospect Danny Kristo.

Leblanc, who suffered a high ankle sprain, had a disappointing season with the Hamilton Bulldogs, the Canadiens’ farm team.

Asked what they want to see more of from Leblanc, Martin Lapointe, the Canadiens’ director of player development, said being injured set back the 22-year-old forward a bit.

“This year’s a new year. I’ve been talking to Louis a lot…I think for him it’s just having a fresh start. He did his tests today. He tested really well. He’s a kid that works hard.”

“I’m not worried about Louis bouncing back,” Lapointe said. “He’s a good kid that works hard.”

The first on-ice session was slated for Wednesday afternoon at 4:30 p.m. and is open to the public as are all other practices at the camp, which runs through Sunday in Brossard. There will be a scrimmage at 9:30 a.m. Sunday to wrap up the camp.

The NHL announced its 2012-13 all-star teams Wednesday and, not surprisingly, Norris Trophy winner P.K. Subban of the Canadiens was named to the first team on defence along with Minnesota’s Ryan Suter. The first-team forwards were Pittsburgh’s Sidney Crosby (centre), Pittsburgh’s Chris Kunitz (left wing) and Washington’s Alex Ovechkin (right wing). Ovechkin also made the second all-star team as a left-winger.

(Photo by Bill Kostroun/The Associated Press)

McCarron loaded with potential, ex-coach says, by Brenda Branswell

56 players take part in Habs’ development camp, canadiens.com

NHL announces 2012-13 all-star teams, NHL.com

Buyouts add depth to free-agent pool, NHL.com

Will Lecavalier signing pay off for Flyers? philly.com

Blake Geoffrion back on skates, Franklin Home Page

825 Comments

  1. Phil C says:

    “Columbus Blue Jackets general manager Jarmo Kekalainen is headed into his first free agent season in the NHL and he already knows what he’ll be looking for once the bell rings on July 5.

    Kekalainen told the Columbus Dispatch that a scoring forward is definitely on his shopping list, but that they’re more interested in skill over size.

    “If you ask anybody, they’d take a 6-5 guy who scores 30 goals over a 5-8 guy who scores 30 goals,” Kekalainen told Aaron Portzline of the Dispatch. “But me personally, I prefer the small guys who play with big heart to the big guys who are less passionate.””

    Kekalainen would get roasted around here. :-o

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426856

    • Lafleurguy says:

      He’s got to sign Dustin Penner just to befuddle the masses.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Ed says:

      I think he is describing Gallagher perfectly. I list Gallagher as my favorite current Hab, because I appreciate his hard work and tenacity, and huge heart. So I would agree with the league’s first Euro GM that “heart” is a big factor.

      But there are only so many 5’8 and 5’9 players with heart that a team can ice at the same time. I know you must agree with that as well.

      We need more 6’1-6’3, 200-220 power forwards who can skate, hit, go to the net, and get their faces dirty doing so.
      They don’t have to score 30 goals, that is a bar too high to reach for 90% of NHL players.
      They should be able to score 15-25 goals.

      We have enough 5’9, 5’10 guys with heart to to run a clinic.

      Our GM needs to set the bar higher, and then stick to it. The Kristo trade was as good a place to show that we will not add assets who don’t bring the “power” to the roster.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Ed – As I was saying….:)

      • Phil C says:

        I agree that the Habs roster is a bit out of balance up front, but I also think it is solved by replacing one of Gallagher, Gionta, or DD with bigger player. That’s it.

        On defense, I consider size more of an asset. Positioning is very important when playing defense and extra reach helps take up more space on the ice. It is also an asset defending against the cycle. They need one more top four guy with some size, and maybe one shutdown guy with size. The third pairing guy should be easy to get via free agency, but I’m not sure where they will find a top four guy unless Beaulieu surprises or they pull some crazy trade out of their hat. Won’t be easy.

        • Ed says:

          when they signed DD for 4 years they already knew Gallagher was a keeper and Gionta was here for 1 more year.

          so we can all agree that Gionta is the one who is gone before next season is over, unless the Habs are a real contender, and that is extremely unlikely at this point.

          Tinordi has a spot on the 5/6 pairing unless he loses it, and that will not happen. His career is going in the right direction and I think he will move up to the 2nd pairing in a few season.

          Beaulieu is the wild card. Loads of offensive talent. Great on the power play. Great skater. A defensive liability at the NHL level, but can he develop his defensive skills and force the team to keep him, or more likely, he is another full season in Hamilton. Markov does not get renewed after next season, also traded at the deadline perhaps??, and that opens the spot for a power play defenceman going forward.

          The roster might be “set” for next season, but we are not looking good either.

          Unless Price rebounds and has a huge year, which is unlikely with these defencemen, the roster as it stands, will be hard pressed to make the playoffs.

          But once Galchenyuk and Eller take over for Plekanec and Desharnais, I will start to feel much more confident.

          As far as I’m concerned, Galchenyuk as the top scoring center and Eller right behind him, signals to me that this team has finally arrived – with Gallagher and Max and Subban, Tinordi, Beaulieu etc

  2. ont fan says:

    I’m listening to Elliotte Friedman yesterday. He’s talking to GM’s on the weekend and asks them the question on how to build a contender. The consensus is to have a plan, stick to it, don’t listen to fans ’cause they are hysterical, and don’t think free agents are any kind of quick fix. Just look at Philly and N.Y. After 5 years, either you are a contender or you’re fired.

  3. boing007 says:

    This just in from The Hockey Writers:

    To the dismay of the majority of Blues fans, it appears Halak, Elliott and Allen will all be on the Blues roster by the time training camp rolls around. It seems more likely that if the Blues want to make a serious run at Weiss, they’ll need to move David Perron and his $3.8 million dollar cap hit.

    Richard R

  4. wjc says:

    Good morning ‘Negative nellies’ I shall try to join you, even though it goes against my outlook…..here goes.

    Next season is already lost. Price is second stringer. Bergevin is now a huge disappointment. Too small, smurfs, smurfs….smurfs this and smurfs that, smallest team in the world, too smurfy, smurfy, smurf, smurf….have I SAID IT ENOUGH…..smurf, smurf, smurf…whew!

    Now what to do about it, make the first draft pick a effen monster, oh they did that, then they drafted him to soon, should have waited 9 more picks and if he was gone could have said, ‘passed over an effen monster, and if he was by small chance still available, could have said can’t be that good, no one took him.

    All trades are bad, one small guy for another small guy, we got smaller, smurfs, smurfs……we are smurfy.

    Got beat by Ottawa, ‘now panic’ go for size, size, size, size, screw talent, lets beat em up, even if we miss the playoffs and lose because of lack of talent. I have more but I am tired, weary, sad, depressed. I have taken every bit of my energy and crushed it, why, why, why do I watch hockey…..where is Big Jean, Scotty, and Sammy.

    wjc

  5. Habfan10912 says:

    @wjc and Burly re: Gas prices
    Two tricks my neighbors use. Always buy gas the day or two after Jim buys his, guarenteed lower price. AND ever wash your car the same day Jim washes his. Guaranteed rain.

  6. 24 Cups says:

    If Bozak or Bergeron get eight year deals then you know for sure that the players have once again won the lockout.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      You’re right Steve and we can all look forward to another work stoppage upon the expiration of the current CBA.

    • florida habs says:

      I think with some of the contracts, and money, ready signed have proven that. The owners just can’t help themselves, and they say 14 franchises aren’t making money, does make you scratch your head.

    • wjc says:

      Salary cap is the key. Players were making too much as a group and the owners not enough as a group. You can spend 60 million on one player and the rest of the money, on the rest of the team if you want.

      Now they can grow the game with the players not getting the lions share of the proceeds and that was the point.

      wjc

  7. Ian Cobb says:

    No free agents for Bergevin, and I agree.
    He will stick to his master plan and grow a winner through the draft and development program. He might pick up a player or two just to fill some holes until the kids are ready for the show. But no more large contracts to players in the twilight of their careers.
    Long term vision through the youth program is the way to go.!

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  8. Ian Cobb says:

    HIO members, here is some more research information about concussion. A bit long but please read and share.
    Ian.

    The effects of a concussion, perhaps contrary to popular belief, are brought on more by a disruption of the inner workings of the brain than by physical damage to the organ.

    When the brain moves inside the skull, neurons become twisted and stretched, and subsequent chemical reactions inhibit the brain from running at full capacity.

    Concussion experts at UPMC refer to this as an “energy crisis,” where the brain needs more energy than usual to carry out tasks but receives less blood flow.

    So it doesn’t necessarily take a crushing hit to the head to lead to an injury — any blow to the body that transfers force to the head and jiggles the brain can lead to a concussion.

    With this knowledge in mind and new research in the field, the UPMC Center for Sports Medicine and Community College of Allegheny County campuses have opened their doors to dozens of local youth hockey players to get them on the latest trend in concussion reduction: neck strengthening regimens.

    “It doesn’t necessarily have to be a hit to the head, it’s just that shaking, that movement of the brain inside the skull,” said Cara Troutman-Enseki, co-coordinator of exertion training at UPMC who works solely with concussion patients. “And that’s where the neck strength comes into play; it’s going to limit the forces that cause that shaking. It’s not going to be as intense, so you might not get the concussion.”

    Through Heads Up Pittsburgh and the Pittsburgh Penguins Foundation, the athletes in the program are provided free neurocognitive baseline testing and a neck strengthening kit.

    Most parents and athletes who participated in the first event understood the basics: Baseline testing is a measure of cognitive function taken when the athlete is healthy to be used as a reference point if a brain injury is ever suspected. Neck strengthening means stronger muscles, which equal more resistance, which can mean less jarring of the head.

    Skeptics were reassured by trainers at the event who offered data from a study presented in February at the Youth Sports Safety Summit, which found that the odds of concussion fell by 5 percent with every pound of neck strength increase.

    Testing began June 17 for local hockey players ages 10-14 and will open to all athletes July 15. Athletes of other ages can take a test for $25, and neck strengthening kits will be distributed until they’re gone.

    Worth a try

    Trainers at UPMC were concerned when they received calls from professional teams asking if attaching a dumbbell to a player’s head was the best way to strengthen neck muscles.

    Concerned about the compressive forces that could put on the neck, UPMC looked for a better alternative. The kits given to young athletes at the event utilize resistance bands that can be connected to a head strap, which is provided.

    The neck strengthening regimen is an eight-week process that is completed at home. The exercises, broken into three phases, begin with basic extension, flexion and rotation movements and get progressively more complex.

    All it takes to do the exercises is the kit and a door. Wearing the head strap, the child clips the resistance bands into a ring on the strap and closes the band’s handle into a door.

    With the anchor in place, the child is ready to do a set of exercises. The head strap can be put on in any direction to target whichever muscles the regimen calls for.

    Most parents said their children didn’t give them a hard time about coming. Some have been scared straight.

    “My older son had three concussions. He had to leave the sport because he had too many concussions in a short period of time,” said Bob Silverman, who brought his younger son, Jonah, a peewee player in the Mt. Lebanon Hornets organization.

    “So for my younger son — much to my wife’s concern, and mine too, for that matter — we figure at least we can do everything we can to make darn sure we’re educated and that we have a good baseline.

    “He watched his brother go through it,” Silverman added. “So it was sort of, ‘If you want to play hockey, this is what you’re going to do.’ ”

    Marianne Kinsey said her son, Robert, who plays for the Pittsburgh Huskies Under-16 team, has had two concussions playing hockey. So going to UPMC this week wasn’t a fight.

    “Oh no, he wants to come,” Kinsey said. “He knows. His grades, his health are important.”

    Evolving field of study

    The brain is separated from the skull by a three-layered tissue called the meninges, which is not more than a few millimeters thick. It cushions the brain in daily activity but can only do so much in collisions.

    “Because there is that layer of meninges, what happens is the brain moves like an egg yolk in an eggshell would,” UPMC neuropsychologist Jonathan French said. “That causes the neurons inside the brain to stretch out just a tiny bit.”

    That stretching of the neurons is what leads to the chemical reactions, he said.

    “When they do, potassium starts to leak out of the cell, calcium starts to leak inside the cell, and when that happens, it causes this ‘neurometabolic storm,’ we say. What that really leads to is an energy crisis. The brain needs more energy to do things … [but] the brain is starving of energy.

    “So concussions are more neurometabolic rather than structural. Structural would be a big bleed inside the brain … this is more of the neurons stretching out causing the brain not to function as efficiently.”

    So while the neck strengthening exercises do all they can to help keep those neurons in place after collisions and falls, one question that remains at UPMC is how far the program can go in concussion prevention. If the risk of concussion is decreased by 5 percent by every pound of neck strength added, there must be a point of diminishing return somewhere.

    But it is not yet known where that point is. The young athletes in the program had their neck strengths tested before receiving the kits and will have the opportunity to be tested again at the conclusion. UPMC will look at the data to see what can be learned in the continually evolving field of concussion study.

    But until then, parents of youth hockey players are glad to be on the leading edge of research and safety for their children.

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/more-sports/concussion-prevention-takes-neck-step-694283/#ixzz2Y4w3sHEW

    • nbhabs says:

      People keep talking about concussions and how to stop them when the answer is right in front of them, equipment! My son played midget aaa hockey, must’ve been 8 concussions on his team his last year and the same for all the other teams in his league. My son also plays Junior A lacrosse, guess what no concussions ever, why – equipment. I know everybodys first response will be the speed of hockey is quicker than lacrosse, yes. However in Junior A lacrosse you have 200 pound + 20 year olds running full speed at each other and no concussions. The rats in lacrosse soon find out it hurts alot more to try and deliver a dirty hit, but in hockey the rats are protected by plastic. Switch back to softer leather type equipment and guess what, the kids that can’t take a hit will soon stop hitting because it will hurt them just as much to deliver a hit, simple.

  9. Fansincebirth says:

    A co-worker (Briere part of his extended family through marriage) said that chatting with the family, Briere has absolutely no desire to play in Montreal…not even on his list of teams he wants to go to.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thanks for that inside info Fan. Makes me feel better. Cheers.

    • Thurston says:

      I’m fine with that. We don’t need a 35-year-old small forward who already bypassed us in free agency once anyway.
      Move on to other UFA’s.

    • twilighthours says:

      Perfect

    • Fansincebirth says:

      hmmmmmmmm…interesting:

      “According to TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun, unrestricted free agent forward Daniel Briere has already narrowed his list of teams for next season to three. LeBrun adds on Twitter that he believes the Montreal Canadiens are among the three teams.”

    • nbhabs says:

      Our team was one of the most balanced offensive teams in the league last year. We need someone to help out on the powerplay and someone to help take the load off of Prust in the silly games. Briere might be the guy for the pp and I’m not sure who they will bring in to help Prust. You have to think Eller, Gally and Chucky are going to keep improving so our overall offense is going to keep getting better. I would also add a tougher d-man to help out until Emilin gets back.

  10. 24 Cups says:

    Brunner, MacArthur and Schultz. That’s it for me as I truly believe the Habs should pass on all the other UFAs.

  11. HabinBurlington says:

    Given there has been almost no talk about Iginla, is it possible he goes back to Calgary?

    • 24 Cups says:

      Gerald – It’s either Calgary where he will finish his career out in the cellar or once again trying to cherry pick a Cup contender. Unfortunately, most of them are up against the cap for 2013-14.

      Chicago could be an option if he wants to sign for 2M. Columbus would be a good fit if he wants to join a team that is on the rise. Depends on the Horton rumours.

    • wjc says:

      Who were you expecting to talk about him?

      wjc

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I actually was surprised Philly jumped in on Vinny and expected them to go for Iginla. I don’t know who else I expected, but I did think there would be more perceived interest.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Perhaps NY may have some interest to help cure a dismal power play?

          • 24 Cups says:

            Good point. I guess the big question there is what will it take to re-sign Stephan, Hagelin and McDonagh. I also wonder what the status is on Staal’s health.

  12. Lafleurguy says:

    Happy Independence Day! Hockey, hot dogs , and Chevrolet!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  13. Mick says:

    No more smurfs.
    Can we start a Danny Briere “stay away day”.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Morning folks, Happy 4th of July to all of our American brothers and sisters here at HI/O!

  15. Captain aHab says:

    On Briere and Lecavalier:

    You have two guys who:

    A) Know their best years are behind them despite making it look good in interviews

    B) Know that coming to Montreal the expectations would be that they would play at the level they played years ago, i.e. They won’t be able to meet those expectations.

    C) Have flat out said before they did NOT want to play in Montreal because of the pressure…and they are even richer now so why deal with this crap?

    D) Have used Montreal in the past to drive up their price elsewhere

    Why oh why do you think that, based on the above, MB – who is all about character – would want these guys? I would think that actually wanting to play for the Habs would be pretty high on the list of character issues. I definitely think that he’s making it look good for RDS and willingly contributes to driving the prices up. I will be shocked if Briere signs here…the only way that happens is if Lou is offering him 1 year @ 1M.
    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      I take Igilia over Briere

    • florida habs says:

      you are probably right that MB will speak with any Quebec player if nothing else but to appease the media, not sure if they choose not to play here it speaks to their lack of character, they all have different criteria and as UFAs, have earned that right. quite frankly the whole “character” issue is becoming a pain in the ass, it is sounding like some of these players are criminals. if MB is always going to take the “safe” route, I don’t think he , and the Habs, will get to the promised land. you have to be willing to take a chance sometimes if a players possess what we need, TALENT.

    • boing007 says:

      @ Captain aHab

      I definitely think that he’s (Bergevin) making it look good for RDS and willingly contributes to driving the prices up.

      When I read that I thought that perhaps Bergevin is deliberately driving the prices up on these expensive UFAs to push other teams to overspend on their cap in the hopes of freeing up some of their other players. Maybe?

      Richard R

      • wjc says:

        You cannot drive the prices up unless you make and offer.

        The agent then takes the offer and tells the next team what he has on the table, and it is then they bid with a better offer.

        If no offer is made just a feeling out process for example my guy wants 5 year term at 35 milllion. You might say okay thanks, not what we are willing to do at this time, have a good day.

        So an inquirey as to wheather you are on the same page does not….DOES NOT….drive up the prices. Kapish!

        wjc

  16. Maritime Ron says:

    Good Morning morning crew

    Wondering how many 4th liners and 7-8-9 Dmen we are going to sign.
    Will there be an enforcer or 2?
    The drama! Oh, the drama!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Ron. I’d be happy with an enforcer or two. :)

      • Maritime Ron says:

        So would I, Jim.
        They don’t have to play every game, but we can let them loose against Toronto, Boston, now Columbus, Ottawa, and Philly.
        By the way, enjoy and have a great holiday!

      • Habfan17 says:

        The Habs may have one or two in the development camp, Stefan Forunier, 6’3″ 210 lbs, 72 points in 66 games with 100 pims last season and in the playoffs had 29 points in 17 games with 31 pims. Even better he is already 21 years old.

        Habfan17

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Is he signed by the Habs?

        • Garcia129 says:

          Hab Fan in Halifax here. I watched lots of Mooseheads games this past year and got to see a lot of Fournier. While I like his size, you have to remember he was a 20 year old playing with mostly 17-19 year olds. All his fights (6 in reg season) where with guys 20 – 30 lbs lighter than him. Not his fault, there aren’t that many 210 lbs players in the Q.

          He did show great leadership in keeping the Moose rolling while the big guns were off at the WJC, (they went 8-2 i think) and rotated captaincy with Trey Lewis.

          He definitely deserves a look, but don’t expect dominant power forward numbers from a guy who was an over age player on a great team in the Q last year.

          In Price we Trust

          • Habfan17 says:

            Thank you for that insight. I was actually thinking he might be a good fit on the 3rd line and supply 5 to 10 goals, or maybe a great fit on the 4th line.

            Habfan17

          • Garcia129 says:

            Agreed. I see him as a 3rd line player at best. Would like him just a little meaner, but he’s definitely got a bit of offensive upside, and shows good leadership qualities.

            In Price we Trust

    • Cal says:

      Only one more sleep to find out that MB probably won’t sign anyone except Briere, causing a riot here on HIO. ;)

    • Ed says:

      Good morning,

      Scuderi is coming off a 4 year, 3.4 million per contract. He’s 34, so he’s looking for a 5 year deal to take him to 39. He’s the most effective d-man available as a UFA this summer.

      Scuderi will get at least 10 teams calling him, for exactly the reason the Habs could be interested. He can play bigger minutes than the other UFA’s available, good penalty kill, good experience in the playoffs.

      The winning bid will be approximately 5 years and 5 million per.

      That’s my guess, any way.

      Since the Habs usually have to add 500k-1 million for taxes and language police, I believe Bergevin will pass on Scuderi because there’s no way he’s worth 5.5 to 6 million.

      But I am quite certain that someone will pay him 25 million for 5 years because they need a #3/4 d-man.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Ed,
        Just a guess here but that number may be just a bit high.
        We’ll see when it happens and if so, I’ll tip the hat to ya
        :-)
        Good point about the after tax dollar thing.
        If a Florida or Texas or Tennessee or….offers $4M, the equivalent after tax dollars would call for $5M by the Habs.

    • Fransaskois says:

      Morning, Ron and Morning Crew!

      I’m not even so sure we’ll sign many more 4th liners or defenceman. It’s quite apparent that the Free Agent pool is weak and, based on how Bergevin dealt with the signing of Lecavalier, I don’t see us dipping into those shallow, tepid waters. Without a trade happening, I can’t see much room or purpose for more Free Agents.

      Pacioretty-DD-Gallagher
      Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
      Galchenyuk-Eller-Prust
      Moen-XXXX-White

      Gorges-Subban
      Bouillon-Markov
      Diaz-Drewiskie
      Extra: XXXX-XXXX
      (Emelin IR)

      Leblanc, Bournival, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Dumont, Thomas and Pateryn are all waiting at the doorstep for the chance at a call-up. There are a lot of square pegs for round holes but, nonetheless, there will be holes to be filled and without a trade or signing, these will be the players to fill them.

      Our weaknesses will continue to be defensive size and depth and size and physicality in our forward group. Perhaps we’ll bring in an enforcer but, I’ll say it again, I don’t see any room or purpose for any more Free Agent signings based on who looks to be available for us.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        hI frans
        You’re probably bang on.
        What’s also interesting is that this will be a full 82 games, which if the roster remains basically the same, we will be challenged to make the post season

        • wjc says:

          How did Montreal fall so far, so fast, without playing a game yet.

          New blood, maturity of rookies, Price being superb. July 5th has not come yet, yesterday is dead and gone, what’s done is done, help me make it through the night.

          A new season is exciting, and if you have really given up, that is sad. How did Montreal fall so fast ? HOW?

          (Looks at the sky, and screams…..FATE….WHY DO YOU MOCK ME?

          Morning all…..enjoy the season……well at least try……in about 3 months.

          wjc

        • Fransaskois says:

          I’m a little torn. We had a very good three quarters of a half season and we will not be playing playoff-style hockey for those full 82 games. However, we only faced Eastern Conference teams and Western Conference teams are known to bring a more physically demanding style of game. But! We’ll be looking at a more experienced group of young players. Or! We’ll be seeing the sophomore slump.

          There will be some serious hurdles in our way to being a playoff team. We’ll need to see…

          1) Price play like a starting goaltender.
          2) Eller, Galchenyuk, Prust, Diaz, Bourque and Gallagher continue on their pace from last year.
          3) A player step up and fill Cole/Ryder’s production.
          4) Bouillon and Markov not slowing down.
          5) Tinordi, Drewiskie or Pateryn stepping into Emelin’s role.
          6) There are too many to list and I need to grab some coffee. :D

          At the moment, without any shakeups, I’m leaning towards expecting to see us battle it out for a playoff spot.

          • wjc says:

            Everybody played in there own division and half a season.

            Price is not a concern, put that in the bank. Put that baby to bed.

            Boulion will slow down, but Markov will hit his stride.

            Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn will grow into there roles, lucky to have them.

            Emilin will not be rushed back, will not be necessary.

            After you have your java list the good things. I’ll help.

            Building off last years success.
            Exciting rookies gaining experience.
            Price ready for breakout season.
            Coach and assistance can build on last year.
            July 5th has not come, free agents, but short term, to buy some time.
            Watching a team progress is fun for me, not expecting too much, too soon is important, small steps to success.

            wjc

    • Cal says:

      Happy Independence Day, Jim!
      Of all those players on the list, one that didn’t make it appeals and that’s Scuderi. All the rest are over-priced and over that hill.
      EDIT: Oops- not sure what Scuderi’s agent is asking. He could be over-priced, too.

      http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Thanks Cal. I have myself convinced that Bergevin will do NO shopping this year. At least that way I won’t be disappointed, eh? CHeers bud.

        • Captain aHab says:

          I think it’ll be spare parts at most. Once all is said and done and teams know what thy have and, more importantly, what they don’t have, you might see MB make a trade.

          —————-
          Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Cal
        I love Scuderi because of all the intangibles he brings.
        He shouldn’t be too expensive as he brings no offense to the party yet is a fierce competitor on the D side.
        Robyn Regehr kind of set the market when he resigned with LA for 2 years @ $3M per year but Scuderi will probably fetch a little more

        • Chris says:

          Scuderi is coming off a 4-year, $3.4 M cap hit deal. His contract will still be an under-35 contract, so teams don’t have to worry about getting locked in under the 35+ rule.

          I expect he will be looking for 3-4 years at closer to $4 M per season. At that price and at his age, that is too much. He’s gone to UFA status instead of re-signing with LA, who wanted to keep him, as he thinks he can cash in. I don’t blame him.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            He turns 35 in December. Rest assured some team will step up with 4 years/$15M-$16M.
            For a young D unit (Habs Edmonton) he would bring so much.

          • Cal says:

            Considering Gorges gets $3.9 and can’t clear the crease, I’d say $4mil is about right for Scuderi for 2 or 3 seasons..

      • Habfan17 says:

        After reading the development camp report that UCE posted below, I am not so sure the Habs need Scuderi. The report on Pateryn was nice to read.

        Habfan17

        • Maritime Ron says:

          Scuderi has a couple of Cup rings and has been through the playoff wars. Think how he could pass on those experience to PK, Tinordi, Beaulieu and the rest of the young guys.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Very good point! I agree he would be a strong addition, as long as he is not seeking ridiculous money.

            Habfan17

      • wjc says:

        Cal, that is so true, no one is sure of anything, so speculation becomes the order of the day.

        The mantra should be, ‘how the hell should I know, I am not sure of anything. Like predicting the price of gas…..how the hell should I know?

        Like predicting the weather, ‘ how the hell should I know?’

        Everybody should chant ‘how the hell should I know?’

        wjc

        • HabinBurlington says:

          If I was to guess, I would say gas continues to rise in price. ;-)

          • wjc says:

            It bounces around where I live. It will slowly rise of course, but it will bounce around….the trick is to guess when it will bounce down, so you can fill it up.

            wjc

    • Captain aHab says:

      It’ll be interesting to see what Iginla gets…..those playoffs hurt his stock I think. Might have been better off riding it out in Calgary.

      Jagr will fade big time mid year so whoever pays a fortune for him will be hella disappointed.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Columbus with Nathan Horton?

        • Captain aHab says:

          They’ll be disappointed too…a guy doesn’t choose a place where he can be anonymous because he plans to exceed expectations. If he did, he would have no issues playing under pressure.

          —————-
          Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

          • wjc says:

            Think about it, just for a brief moment. You go to buy a paper, sign this, hi, sign this, hi, sign this, hi, sign this, hi, sign this, hi, sign this, hi.

            We love you, talk to us, we know you, so therefore you know us. Look over there see those people, you know who that is….oh, oh…hi, sign this, hi sign this….we love you. You sucked, sign this anyways.

            Grabs paper after 45 minutes, oh no more, can’t take anymore, need a coffee to take back…hi, sign, this…oh look who is here….big lineup and hour later….coffee cold, paper lost….gets to car. Radio Jock is saying ‘was he worth it, should be trade him, should we put him on waivers…..signing him was big mistake, not worth the money. He has never won a cup…here.

            People honk, people yell, say pull over, can we get an autograph…sign here, we love you, sign here, we love you……..

            Where have you been…………gotta get outa here….I was warned, my lips are sore from smiling, oh no they are out on the sidewalk…stalking me……MAMA, save me.

            wjc

  17. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all and Happy Birthday USA! Let’s hope that we are finally witnessing the breakup of the Bruins.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-07-03/tuukka-rask-contract-patrice-bergeron-bruins-salary-cap-nhl-free-agency-agents-2

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “It’s more an issue for Rask. That’s the going rate [$7M/yr for 8 years] for elite goaltenders (Pekka Rinne, Jonathan Quick) partially because of the deals that have gone to guys who, to varying degrees, fall short (Carey Price, Mike Smith, Marc-Andre Fleury).”

      Ouch

  18. HABWARRIOR says:

    Hey folks …Here is a few guys id like to see MB pursue come Fridays frenzy.Not heard much talk on these guys as potential signings but they would add some key depth,speed and a some added scoring strength to the 2nd or 3rd lines .

    1-Mason Raymond. Ive always like this kid . He can flat out fly out there and if he can find his scoring touch as he matures he’d be a valuable guy on our 2nd/3rd lines.
    2-Viktor Stalberg. Again, a dude that can really motor out there….
    has a scoring touch and hes big.A really really good role player I feel but he isn’t a bum like moen who has hands of stone. This guys a player.

    ..Anyways, what do ya guys think???

    “If ya ain’t wasted, the day is!”

    • Habfan17 says:

      I am not a fan of Raymond and think the Habs have players like him in the system. I do like Stalberg for the reasons you mention, some say he is too soft, MB would know.

      Habfan17

      • HABWARRIOR says:

        Living in the west here I see a ton of nucks games and im telling u Raymond is a good hockey player. fastest player in the league. hes exciting to watch too.

        “If ya ain’t wasted, the day is!”

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          I like him too.

          Pacioretty – Plekanec – Gionta
          Galchenyuk – Eller- Gallagher
          Raymond – Desharnais – Bourque
          Moen – White – Prust

          wouldn´t be a bad lineup with players like Leblanc, Dumont and Bournival providing some nice depth.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I can’t say I have seen him anywhere near as much as you, but I have watched him in the playoffs and he did not impress. The Habs need players that can step it up when it counts.

          Habfan17

      • AndyF says:

        Agreed. Ummm… that’s “soff”, btw.

    • Captain aHab says:

      I’d take a shot at Stallberg but Habs won’t be alone.

      People are going nuts about the Habs maybe trying to get Brière….when he was bought out he said that his home is south Jersey and that he wants to play for a team that allows him to stay there. Not surprising that the Devils are mentioned as a destination. At this stage, I think the Habs are just ensuring that Lou pays too much for him, just like they forced Holmgren to do with Lecavalier. They also make it look good for RDS.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I dont theink the HABS were being devious that way, but I’m with you no.. no Briere. Dont know the Stallberg kid but he’s been praised on TSN690 by a few analysts and here also. We need to do something so.. yes.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning. Thanks for your bird eye scouting report on Raymond. Stalsberg has been touted by others on this site as well. Although I wouldn’t mind seeing either in a Hab jersey I just think that Bergevin is not going to invest very much in the free agent market. I think he’s said as much. Therefore I have ZERO expectation that we’ll be doing any shopping come Friday. At least this way I won’t be disappointed. CHeers.

  19. montreal ace says:

    I think MB has a chance to improve the Habs when the free agent period starts, through the changes he has made with scouting and player development. I really hope he can pick up some players that have been mismanaged, and with proper development can restart their careers.

  20. Un Canadien errant says:

    Here’s a full report of the activity at the Prospect Camp on HF Boards.

    http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1458953&page=10

    You’ll see the post, with observations on every player, alphabetically.

    • JayK-47 says:

      Pretty awesome that Trevor Timmins wrote that post!

    • johnnylarue says:

      Hey thanks for sharing that massive hockey nerd’s labour of love with us. Great amateur reporting.

      It was especially fun to hear about Fucale not being able to stop a puck. Couldn’t help but think of the poor kid with his head stuck in the clouds, completely helpless and incapable of concentrating. Classic ‘first day of camp’ stuff.

      He’s a super likeable kid in interviews, incidentally. Certainly wins this year’s “Draft Pick Most Likely to Eventually Do Colour Commentary on RDS” award.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thanks UCE. And to the author. Lots of hardwork.
      “SUENLLENTROP”… some name eh?

      I think he wasnt impressed with Thrower as HIO board is.

    • showey47 says:

      excellent read,thanks for posting it.

  21. NightRyder says:

    How did Pat Hickey, Dave Stubbs and Red Fisher vote in the Ovechkin snafu?

  22. Stevie.Ray says:

    You think we’ll resign Palushaj for the Bulldogs? They need some scoring, but maybe somebody better is out there?

    I also wonder if they’ll sign Stefan Fournier. Tall at 6’2”, but only 170 lbs. He was captain of the Mooseheads though so maybe he has good character. He put up 72 points in 66 games too. Matt Murphy, another Moosehead, was invited to camp. I expect he will return to CHL for another season or two, but maybe the Habs will look to sign him.

    The Bulldogs also need a big stay at home defenseman. Perhaps Grassi fits the bill?

  23. jimmy shaker says:

    Jaro’s on the block….bring him back along with timmy as the back up, get some sweet picks and prospects for carey……get budaj to the islanders for a pick and use the money saved for vanek and scuderi

    Shaker out!

  24. habby46 says:

    I just LOVE carrots

  25. ari says:

    Even the thought of getting briere is the crime.people forgets how he said no to great jean.and chose to play for flyers.if MB really talked to him ,his ass should kicked out back to Chicago .

    Do you guys drive in montreal? the roads here are not good for Vinnie to drive his car in short and flipflops.

    • savethepuck says:

      I have checked, but everyone says Briere didn’t want to play for the Habs in 2007 when he was a free agent and signed for a league high 8 yr 52 million dollar deal with the Flyers. The only report I am aware of is that he said he would be less anonymous in Philly than in Montreal which helped make his decision. Does anyone even know what contract Gainey was offering him at that time? I have my doubts it was to make him the highest paid player in the NHL. I think he went to the highest bidder like all ( or almost all ) free agents do.
      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    HF72 brought up an excellent point regarding the Yotes sale. Here is a report from Forbes which is indeed reporting that the league is loaning much of the money. In addition are reportedly not to receive repayment in the first 5 years, coincidence this is the year the opt out clause kicks in?

    The biggest lender can take equity instead of repayment! The whole thing stinks of this team being resold to a new city in 5 years. What a joke.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/22327601/report-nhl-investment-group-to-help-potential-owners-buy-coyotes

  27. Adam says:

    You know, I wish I could say I was surprised at the levels of overreaction I’ve seen in the last few days, but then I recall the insanity that occurred when the Habs traded Cedric Desjardins, that future franchise goalie, and I just cry softly to myself.

  28. Just A Guy says:

    OK so how is this for food for thought:

    Habs should renew Markov’s contract, I think he will be a serviceable defenseman in the NHL on a 3rd pairing and a PP specialist.

    Let Markov retire a hab :)

    • Marc10 says:

      At what price?

    • savethepuck says:

      I totally agree, and Marc, I think he would re-up at a reasonable contract.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • habby46 says:

      Absolutely! It looks to me like Markov really enjoys being a hab and I have a feeling he will retire a hab…and win a cup in the process.

      • savethepuck says:

        Didn’t you know 75% of posters are looking forward to trading him for assets before his contract expires and are relishing what can be done with his ridiculous 5.75 M CAP hit?

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

  29. HardHabits says:

    JohnBellyful is awesome. Another gem JB!!

  30. PrimeTime says:

    @matty
    The media is closer to inside than any “fan” but never perfect,?like a fan!!

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    Really enjoyed reading the transcripts of MB visiting his shrink which JB managed to get a hold of and post for us.

    Thanks JB!

  32. PrimeTime says:

    @ Hudson
    Lecavalier is just soaking up every last dime he can earn. If he was anything else as you would hope he’d be, Tampa would have kept him.

  33. PrimeTime says:

    @Matty
    So you’re criticizing someone you never listen to?? That’s objective!! How do you know what he says?? But I have no doubt you are far more “inside” than he is. Lol

    • Mattyleg says:

      That is to say, I don’t make a habit of listening to him.
      What I have heard from him hasn’t (as Shania says) impressed me much.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  34. HUDSONHAB says:

    I just don’t get it.
    Vinny gets a boat load of money as a buy out and could play anywhere he wants for free and still rake in the cash. Yet he chooses Philly over the Habs because they are willing to give him another boat load of cash.
    Where’s the sense of history, the chance to live a childhood dream. Where’s the desire to represent your heritage and take on a challenge out of pride for that heritage. He has been put into the perfect position to do that yet he goes for green instead of the Blue, blanc et rouge. If its the silver he’s looking for then he hasn’t exactly gave himself the best chance to do that either.
    Vincent Lacavilier, you’re an embarrassment.

    ….Hab4life….

    • ProHabs says:

      I agree. Just pure greed instead of playing for a team that he grew up cheering for and a team that his idol number 4 once played for.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It is very easy for us to romanticize how we would react given the same opportunities as various hockey players get. I would have loved Vinny in Mtl. For a reasonable contract at 2-3 yrs. but these players are professionals and this is their profession. Indeed some of us may make different choices, but it is hard to fault a player when he is offered much more money to play elsewhere.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        You’re being very logical, but I have to side with HudsonHab on this one. His financial security is not in question. He could have been a legend in town, whereas now he’ll be kind of Pierre Turgeon, a good scorer who kind of bounced around the league. I’m disappointed too that he wasn’t more daring, and that wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge in Montréal on a Saturday night didn’t mean more to him than that.

        I keep telling myself that Vincent was born in 1980, so he missed the Stanley Cups in the seventies, and probably doesn’t remember the playoff wars with the Flyers in the 80′s, so he doesn’t have the same emotions I do with respect to either jerseys, but I’m still disappointed. He should have seized the opportunity, wrangled a bit more from Marc Bergevin if the $3M for 3 years offer was just too low, but manned up and worn the 44 with an A on his chest, and later possibly a C. He messed up.

        ———————————————————————–
        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • habstrinifan says:

          Thank you.. exactly how I feel. And on top of it Vinny could have made as much here in Mtl in ‘other monies’ as he wanted. He would have owned the town.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      IF “the sense of history” has ever been there for Vinny, I would say the buyout would have wiped that out. The buyout just proved to Vinny that the nhl is just business. It has nothing to do with him helping to build an hospital in Tampa or any charity work he’s ever done.

      Not every player is like that, but I would say most human being would act like that.

    • NightRyder says:

      Why does every kid who grew up in Quebec automatically have to have some sort of mythological connection to the Canadiens? Given that a huge chunk of players in the league were born in the NINETIES, the romantic connection to all that is Habs history is left to us fossils. It’s a different age. Kids can see any team they want play every night.
      I grew up in B.C. and can’t stand the Canucks. While some players might want to be here, there are also tons of B.C. players who wouldn’t sign here for all the tea in China, for the same reason Quebec kids might not want to play at home either.
      Why should Lecavalier have to sacrifice anything?
      What if he wanted the most money, is that so wrong? If you were offered a job, would money be of no consequence? Just because he doesn’t happen to sign with your favourite team, he’s suddenly less of a man? Bovine excrement.
      He already has a Stanley Cup ring. Is it an “embarrassment” that maybe he doesn’t want his family in a complete fishbowl? He has lived his entire adult professional life in the U.S. as well.
      The chances of him becoming a “legend” in Montreal from ages 34-38 are rather slim. He’s only ever scored a point per game twice in his career anyway.
      If he did happen to come to Montreal, what he would have to look forward to is four years of “wow, he’s not nearly as good as he used to be”; idiots piling on him (in two languages) after every loss; people poking through his garbage and chronicling every second of his private life; and on and on.
      Is it really “embarrassing” because he might not want that?
      I don’t think so.

    • Habfan17 says:

      It wasn’t the cash, it was the term, 5 years and apparently MB only offered 3, and a no mouvement clause.

      Habfan17

  35. PrimeTime says:

    Well said Spos080808!!!

  36. Ozmodiar says:

    Should it be “Hockey Idiot-Out” or “Hockey Idi-out”??

  37. Bill says:

    Did I hear correctly that Ulf Samuelsson has been named an assistant coach with the Rangers?

    That dirty SOB shouldn’t be allowed near any North America hockey rink.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  38. spos080808 says:

    So many Habs fans being crazy lately.

    (1) You should be thankful MB did not offer Vinny the deal Philly gave him. 5 years at 4.5 per, are you kidding me? That is a ridiculous contract for a player that is nowhere near the player Habs fans think he is. He could have been a nice piece for 2 or 3 years at 4 mil but anything more is ridiculous. Let Philly be in cap hell.

    (2) The Kristo trade. Are you people really going nuts over it? You all do realize that Rangers fans are pissed Thomas was traded, right? Did any of you see either player in the NHL? No, oh, ok. And talking about getting smaller. Laughable. Kristo is barely a bigger body than Thomas. Get over it. It is such a minor prospect deal in which it is a gamble that either ever become a full time contributor at the NHL level.

    (3) Briere for 2 years at around 3 mil per would be fine. Anything more and no. he would be a nice depth signing and would be fantastic on the PP in that he play off the half wall and be the right handed one timer shot the Habs really need. It would free up and create so much more on the PP. ANd let’s face it, guy brings it in the playoffs. But again, only at a small deal such as the one I stated,

    (4) Clarkson, Clowe, Horton…No. No. No. 5-6 year deals at 5-6.5 mil per. No way! Save that money. None of these guys are even close to worth that kind of money. Let a team overpay and be stuck with them. I like them as players and of course would love them on the Habs, but at the kind of money being talked about, absolutely not.

    (5) MB does not need to make a splash. A small addition like Briere or someone like Weiss or Cooke would be nice…As would a defenseman such as Scuderi since Emelin is going to be out for a few months of the season….Just minor deals that will not hurt the team money wise going into next season when PK/Eller/Emelin need to be re-upped and the money that will be available after those resignings bc Markov/Gio will not be retained can then be used.

    • Andy and the habs says:

      What he said.

    • Mattyleg says:

      More of this sort of thing.

      Less of the other sort of thing.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • JF says:

      Excellent post. Couldn’t agree more.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thanks for posting, all valid points.

      CHeers!

    • HardHabits says:

      Too sensible. Where’s the alarmist reaction? Why no over the top and exaggerated diatribe? This is uncharacteristically un-HIO-like.

      You may post more often.

    • Marc10 says:

      1) Damn straight. Spot on.
      2) I liked Kristo’s speed but reports from last prospects’ camp weren’t great. #QuestionableWorkEthic… I guess that’s why he was sent packing.
      3) Briere is going to get what Lecavalier got or thereabouts. He’s the leading scorer in the playoffs among active players I think… No way he comes here. Plus he turned us down once for coin and wife. The wife bit didn’t turn out so great, but there you go… Done like dinner this one. MB is just kicking tyres.
      4) Right there with you.
      5) We do need a couple of pieces up front and someone to cover for Yemmy. I’m afraid there isn’t much there. We’ll need to throw Tinordi in the deep end and hope he swims. Maybe we can land Stallberg if MB thinks he’s worth overpaying for (because that’s what has to happen to land a guy in MTL these days…)

      Rome wasn’t built in a day. This is going to take time.
      Great post spos…

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      1) That’s a bit of a strawman argument. I don’t think anyone here is mad at Marc Bergevin for not matching the contract Vincent Lecavalier got from the Flyers. Some are frustrated that Vinny wouldn’t take the hometown discount, since he’s already getting a big payout from Tampa, but most understand that there was too big a gap between the reported 3 years at $3M per offer we made. There are a few who are griping generally that we can’t attract big-name free agents, or that homeboys don’t want to play here because of the fishbowl, but I can’t remember reading one post that stated we should have offered Vincent more than the Flyers did.

      All posters did state that if we negotiated with him, we wanted him at reasonable term and cost, if we wanted him at all. So no blame on Geoff Molson and Marc Bergevin, the Flyers were more desperate.

      2) The Kristo trade is relatively minor, but it is a puzzler and we’re hungry for news, that why we’re discussing it. After years of fearing he wouldn’t sign here, most fans were eager to see what he could do next season. Or, were slavering at a decent return in a draft day trade. The surprise trade yesterday seems pointless and anticlimactic, that’s what most people are objecting to. At least, if we were going to trade Danny Kristo away, we’d have preferred receiving an asset that lined up better with our needs, instead of almost a carbon copy of the player we dealt.

      3) I only want Daniel Brière if he’s very, very cheap, more than you propose. Again, we don’t have room on our roster for his skillset.

      4) David Clarckson we can write off, he’ll be too rich for our blood. Nathan Horton is persona non-grata. Ryan Clowe is right up Marc Bergevin’s alley I think in terms of character and style of play, but may be too old for his liking. Again, feel it out, and if he can be had on a reasonable contract, that’s fine. His sub-stellar play this season will probably deflate his value way below the other two gentlemen you listed.

      5) Jeff Schultz, Matt Hendricks, Mike Rupp, and Kyle Beach.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/a-shopping-list-for-canadiens-marc.html

      • Habfan17 says:

        I love your point 5 and Vinnie also received a no movement clause from Philly, he did say he was looking for a retirement contract, although I would argue 3 years at $3million could also be considered a retirement contract given his age.

        Habfan17

      • habstrinifan says:

        You did it again. Unraveled a big ball of thrine!

  39. PrimeTime says:

    More like “Hockey Ignorant /Out” than “Idiot” but I won’t split hairs!!

  40. Chuck says:

    Wowzers… after scrolling through a lot of these posts tonight I’m really starting to wonder if the ‘I’ in HI/O stands for ‘idiot’.

    __________________________________________________
    Anyone but the Sens! (Check.) And Boston (Triple check.) Oh, and the Laffs, too. (Double check.)

  41. PrimeTime says:

    No GM is worth his salt if he isn’t able to rebuild a team after 1 season!!! How is is possible better teams don’t want our past mistakes for their skilled physical players?? Every UFA and unsigned player should be begging to play in fromt of the worlds most intelligent fans, the most supportive media, and the most liberal city on earth!! Great place to be sure your kids master French and learn tolerance. What more could a player want??

  42. PrimeTime says:

    Reading these posts just goes to show that you guys know more about managing a team more than MB. How you guys aren’t in his position is crazy. You guys would win the cup every year. I mean it – genius how you know how to build a team by knowing only what you read on the web and zero discussion with any professional scouts or other GMs. Why isn’t this site taken seriously by Molson?? Never will any team in any sport win a championship without following the criticisms of their fans!!!

    • savethepuck says:

      Some of us would prefer if you changed “you guys” to “some of you guys” in this post. Not everyone here is constantly criticizing and complaining about the team or management and making suggestions how to blow it up to be a better team.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  43. Haborama says:

    I would be open to signing Breire ONLY IF it was for a limited term, and we get rid of DD first.

    That said, I don’t think MB has the testicular fortitude to get rid of DD. Not to mention that Breire has made it clear that he would never sing here.

    The fact that MB is trying to sign Breire is a shocking example of his ineptness and lack of vision.

    We would be better off with Mike Milbury.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Mb would not offer vinny more than a couple years which is smart. Why would he now overpay for briere

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Bill says:

      Is it? Is it a shocking example of ineptitude?

      Is it a “fact” that Bergevin is trying hard to sign Briere? Is it?

      Would we actually be better off with Milbury? Would we? Would we be better off?

      It’s summer, stop trying to finish your hyperbole homework!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  44. Just A Guy says:

    So by extension everyone is basically asking MB to trade anyone of his 7 top 6 (8 if you include Eller, which he is showing he just might be able to make that jump) forwards in order to land a large 3rd liner to help Prust with jurisprudence or an aging top 6 forward to bring a little experience to the team come crunch time.

    So here it is: Bourque, Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Gionta, Paccioretty, Plekanec

    Now I think Gionta will be able to start the season with the habs despite his surgery? Regardless, I think the captain might be well served with reduced minutes on perhaps a dynamic third line. Prust and Eller have the defensive acumen, Gionta still has speed and the smarts. I think that could work very well.

    The problem is still that Bourque is a left handed natural right winger and we really only have Patches as a natural left winger. I don’t see anyway around this. It might be awesome to think about maybe a Patches/DD/Bork line, but I think he needs to stay on the left wing so Chucky can take his place and fill in for DD in the defensive zone.

    Cole did it for DD during 2011-2012 and Patches did it for him last year. This is a situation that is probably best for Galchenyuk since he spent a lot of time watching the puck in awe last season everytime he found himself playing center defensively. Watching Pleks and Eller on the bench will help while he doesn’t have to watch our worst defensive forward reward himself with the most favorable matchups with his “overwhelming” play.

    I digress, but still its strange reading the “I think we should pick this guy up” scenarios when the only spot left on the roster is 4th line RW/C… that is, you know, if Blunden is penciled in for that role.

  45. rehab says:

    Last year strike and all was was an anomaly/… This is year one… Now we grow…

    rehab

  46. frankcasting says:

    Clarkson? Clowe? Filppula?

    Hopefully not Briere?

    If MB signs Briere, I’ll know for sure that he is a mole for Bettman, sent to keep the Habs from winning during his reign. I’m still reeling from the Kristo for MIDGET IV deal yesterday. Grrrrr…..

    But I love my Habs.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  47. Mattyleg says:

    So only a few of you bought my half-baked, hair-brained rumour that Briere was being offered more money than Price, eh?

    Why does nobody believe it when I make it up, but go ga-ga for LeBrun, who has access to exactly no inside information? He’s just another one of those other phone-staring schlubs at draft deadline time who offers nothing except for some re-hashed Bobby Mac scoops.

    Button, on the other hand… nah, don’t get me started on that no-nothing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Melnick interviewed Lebrun yesterday afternoon, just as poor Pierre was waking up from his nap. (no joke)

      Towards the end of the interview, Melnick’s flunky announced that Kypreos tweeted that the Habs were out of the Vinny sweepstakes. Pierre didn’t sound too pleased about being scooped on his own segment. He said something like “if i could get off the phone with you guys, i could go back to doing my job.” Then they said their quick goodbyes. a.w.k.w.a.r.d

      Post call, they made fun of him for taking a nap and missing out.

      I figured Pierre went back to hitting refresh on his iPhone.

      Audio is here, but they trimmed out the best part as you can tell from the abrupt ending.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Pierre LeBrun is generally pretty reliable, Matty. He’s been known to speculate from time to time, but he never presents speculation as ‘fact’, and certainly isn’t prone to hyperbole. If he says the Habs contacted the Briere camp, it’s a safe bet they did.

      Conversely, when *you* say the Habs offered Briere more money than Price, it’s a safe bet you’re just making a comment on the folly that is believing everything a so-called ‘insider’ tweets. I’m not religiously devoted to the guy or anything, but can you cite an example of LeBrun being way out to lunch on something that wasn’t just speculation? I just don’t know what your beef is with the guy…

      And I don’t see what’s so hard to believe about Bergevin contacting Briere’s agent to find out what his asking price is. Seems to me it’s a GM’s job to keep abreast of the UFA marketplace, non?

      • Mattyleg says:

        I don’t have a beef, I just don’t believe what these guys say, despite being called ‘insiders’.
        And I don’t have an example of LeBrun being out to lunch, because I don’t listen to him or anyone else.

        To quote Simon and Garfunkle; “I get all the news I need from the weather report.”

        And you’re absolutely right, it’s important that MB be informed, but to read any more into it than that is silly.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  48. Haborama says:

    What transpired last night in Arizona represents terrible injustice against the citizens of Glendale, who will now be forced to accept reduced public services (police/firefighting) so that a bunch of half-witted apes can keep a hockey team that no one watches at all. This is a dying dog that needs to be put down NOW!

    This team would work much better for the NHL in Seattle or Quebec City, and yet for some reason, Bettman refuses to move the fan-less, decaying, foul-smelling gangrenous half-corpse known as the Phoenix Coyotes to a location where it can be revived and flourish.

    The fact that Bettman continues to sustain the life of this terminally ill franchise shows that he possesses a mix of stupidity and sadistic cruelty unseen since the days of Nero.

    • habs-hampton says:

      and now that idiot Bettman can smile smuggly at the cameras and say “I told you so, hockey in the desert IS a good idea!”

    • johnnylarue says:

      I agree. 100% disgusted.

      I hope the citizens of Glendale have it in them to protest and/or at least think twice before reelecting their municipal government. Totally ludicrous.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The mayor and council now in power had to deal with the mess that the former administration left behind. They’re not the culprits.

  49. habs001 says:

    Not sure why many posters are not happy with the performance of MB…if at the end of the 2011-2012 season you were told where the team will be in 2013 i believe most posters would have taken it…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Many posters are never happy, and think they’re always right.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bill says:

        I am almost always happy when it comes to hockey discussions, and usually think I am wrong. I wonder if there is a correlation?

        Full Breezer 4 Life

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am not ‘unhappy’ with MB. I think the 2012-2013 season stoppage and abbreviated schedule made his first year enough of an aberration that you have to consider this year their first ‘real year’. The 2012 draft was also enough of a no-brainer(Galchenyuk) that you cant rate him on that. I dont like some of his signings/extensions but I can live with them. And I didnt like him basically saying that he doesnt believe Subban having enough character to be an acknowledged future piece of this team. He could have still fought the ‘contract war’ without going there.
      How he treats Subban’s contract and stature on the team henceforth is gonna tell me something.

      Bergevin’s real body of work so far has been the front office improvement and he gets an Aplus there.

      This year is where he starts earning his money as a ‘hockey man’ in the trades and pickups and in-season moves he makes. This year those moves MUST put his stamp on the club.. for better or for worse. Same with his coaches. I ask you which ‘hockey player move’ can you say was started and completed under Bergevin alone and which you can firmly pass judgement on. I see none really. This year will be different. You can justifiably pass judgement on the moves he doesnt make and the moves he makes. It’s all him now.

      And to your closing question. I am NOT one of those who see where we are now as an improvement..yet. The end of season swoon and the playoffs disaster (it was) stand out too much. Especially the end of season swoon. Do you remember under JM when we couldnt win a freakin game to assure us of a playoff. We snuck in on the point we gained from a non regulation loss to the the Leafs. This year it was to gain that ’2nd in the conference or whatever’ spot.. but it followed the same pattern.

      If we are honest the end of season and playoffs said a lot about our team.. none good.

      This weekend for instance is important. If Bergevin does absolutely nothing it will go on the wrong end of the ledger and while he would still have the whole season to ‘fix’ it.. if he doesnt then it would be a minus.

    • BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

      Posters never happy – won’t touch that one.

  50. habs-hampton says:

    Re: The Coyotes staying in Glendale, I think that the city had no choice but to cave to that offer. The entire sports/entertainment district woujld end up a ghost town otherwise.

    From the NHL’s side of the fence, if they had spent that much time and money on some other franshises, The Jets would still be in the Peg and Quebec would still have a team.

  51. Haborama says:

    ok, here is an idea.

    DD + Gorges to Chicago for Kyle Beach

    classic reclamation project, best case he winds up playing a huge role for the big team and adds nastiness and intimidation.

    Worst case scenario, we still get rid of two major eyesores!

    it’s a win-win.

    • TorontoHabsFan says:

      Pretty sure Gorges is our only defenceman signed past next season. With the weakness of the UFA pools in recent years I’d be more than a little loath to trade a blueline mainstay for a reclamation project.

      • Haborama says:

        It’s an embarrassment that Gorges is considered a blueline mainstay.

        He can’t clear the crease if his life depended on it

        he provides absolutely no offense

        he is one of the least physical defenders in the NHL

        He has no shot

        He can’t win a fight against anyone, hell, I could probably kick his ass!

        He is good only for shot blocking.

        On any other team he would be a #7 or #6 at best.

        He simply is not an NHL player. He palys for an NHL team but he is the furthest thing from an NHL player.

        I would rather have Fistric, Scuderi, Murray, or even Komisarek or O’Byrne in his spot.

        • Andy and the habs says:

          It’s an insult to Gorges to say Komisarek or O’Byrne is better. Just because he had a rough season this year does not make him a bad defenseman. Komisarek may be a project to take but not for more than 1mn. O’Byrne tend to have brain cramps too often. Sometimes he can score, only if it was against the opposing team. Gorges is a warrior who isn’t afraid physical abuse for his team.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Gorges didn’t get a long ext for being terrible. Did he sucks last year….yes but if used right he can be very effective. Could we get someone better like edler…sure but to say he isn’t an nhl player is wrong.

          I would rather gorges than all of the day you list minus scuderi.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Keep these entertaining proposals comin’!!

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Habs already short a Dman going into next season. Was Georges an eye sore before last season or a solid team first #4-5 Dman. Perhaps he was playing hurt – he does block a shot or two from time to time.

      Worse case scenario as you say, we lose two decent players, wind up with the current Kyle Beach, then go out and spend even more cap money replacing players we already had.

    • Bill says:

      OMG, the DD + Gorges trades just keep on entertaining me.

      Usually it’s DD + Gorges for Crosby or something, and obviously the other team would never go for it.

      But in this case, I don’t think it would take nearly that much to acquire a minor-league tough-guy with serious concussion problems and a history of discipline issues.

      On the other hand, you’re asking Chicago to take 8 million bucks of salary cap, which they can’t do, in exchange for Beach’s zero salary cap hit.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • habstrinifan says:

      I dont think DD will be traded.. there are many reasons why he wont be. Unless it’s in a package which brings back someone like David Perron.

  52. anotherhab says:

    Since we are in the recycle mode how about bringing back the purse snatching O’Byrne, could add some toughness that we lack?

  53. Mr. Biter says:

    Just wondering if the Goat will get a cup ring. That would be so cruel.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  54. habs001 says:

    No more Komisarek talk…no more Gill talk….it is over for these two players…i bet there are posters here who not only bring these two back but ak46,sk74 …and one or maybe 2 posters mab…

  55. thebonscott says:

    hope stefan fournier gets a tryout with hamilton.

    GET BIGGER, GET TOUGHER, GET EVEN.

    • Haborama says:

      I would second that, MB would be a complete moron to not get Fournier an invite.

      But judging by what he has done so far, I wouldn’t be keeping my hopes up…..

  56. Haborama says:

    So I take it some lucky bastard is gonna see Grand Funk at Bluesfest?

    I gotta work that day, but I’ll be there when Rush plays! It’s gonna be YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!

    I’m all for giving Komi a shot at redemption. He’s not a top four defender anymore but he can work as a stop gap until Emelin returns from injury. He is what this team needs in the short term: a physical bottom pairing defender who can clear the paint.

    And he’s 1000 time better than Drewskie (but than again, so are most semi-pro players)

  57. dre1744 says:

    If the Habs sign MIke Komiserik i swear to god i will never cheer for this team again.

  58. The Teacher says:

    Lol my bro is in a Toronto restaurant sitting right next to PK Subban.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Cool!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Ok I’ll “bite”…what’s he eating?

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        A good portion of a cow, probably.

        Anyone remember the guy a couple years ago who chided P.K. when he helped himself to a cookie from a buffet table at a summer BBQ? Then posted about it here, all proud about his interaction with the budding star?

        I loved how he was immediately slapped down, and told that it’s fans like him that make players want to play in non-hockey markets. I’d just joined HIO, and knew I’d found a home.

        • Mark C says:

          Don’t recall that, no doubt it happened. Do remember people taking issue with P.K’s food and work out regime. Funny stuff. HIO is just full of experts.

          • habstrinifan says:

            Hey P.K himself caused that. Do you remember the clip where he and Price ( I think it was) were sneaking around the food table.. and trying to fight temptation. I think P.K snuck a couple while saying “he shouldnt”. It was funny stuff.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Maybe I’m remembering it wrong, or we’re talking about two different things. In this one, P.K. was at a community or charity BBQ, he loaded up his plate and took a cookie for his dessert. The guy in question jokingly rebuked him, telling him he shouldn’t be eating junk food, and P.K. kind of looked at him with a “Are you kidding me now? I can’t even eat in peace?” look. At least, that’s how we interpreted it.

            The guy thought he was just joshing with P.K., and we explained that it sounded like he’d acted like a douche and should have just left our boy alone. Good thing is apparently P.K. didn’t say much and walked away, instead of popping him one.

  59. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I swear-a god if somebody at the Bell Centre doesn’t start playing clips of the Swedish Chef whenever Rene Bourque scores then somebody deserves to get fired.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo

  60. Psycho29 says:

    Kings’ Jarret Stoll suffers seizure; rushed to hospital. He has a history of concussions:

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-kings-jarret-stoll-20130703,0,3268900.story

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Hope he gets better. A remember once a Chargers lineman suffering a seizure on a plane after a game he was allowed to go back into with a concussion. He never played again. Hopefully Stoll will be okay.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  61. Un Canadien errant says:

    Not sure if this has been posted, but here’s Mac Bennett’s account of his day at the Development Camp. He caught up with former Michigan teammate Greg Pateryn, went through a really thorough medical checkup, and he raves about the facilities and the treatment he received.

    http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/070313aad.html#

    Stuff like this is important when chasing after free agents. Sure, some fans think playing in Montréal is impossible because of the pressure, but some players can see the advantages.

  62. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Has anybody heard anything about Mason Raymond? He’s got a tonne of speed from what I recall and seems to have fallen out of favour in Vancouver…is he better than a Bournival or a Leblanc? Hmm…

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      As a frequent watcher of the Canucks, let me assure you the answer to your question is no.

      He’s a slender but speedy forward, can show flashes of puck skill but is also inconsistent. Think of him as a slightly more talented Aaron Palushaj, or a Maxim Lapierre without the physical angle and grit.

      The Canucks are letting him go partly due to the cap, but mainly because they want a clean break, they’re tired of waiting for him to come around.

      What he brings to the table we don’t really need.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Thanks. I must admit, I don’t watch a whole lot of western conference games. I remember him playing pretty significant minutes a few years back, but that’s about all I know.

        Cheers!

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        “Think of him as a slightly more talented Aaron Palushaj”
        We just traded one of those to the Rangers.
        Is Raymond the guy who’s super fast, or is that Hansen?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Mason Raymond is possibly a touch faster, but Jannik Hansen is a bit bigger.

          Hansen, in particular, seemed to catch San Jose defenders by surprise with his speed. He twice went wide to get good shots on Niemi.

          He is not the fastest Canuck, but he’s certainly not far off.

          “I have beat him every time in the fastest skater (competition), I bug him about that,” said fellow Canucks winger Mason Raymond. “Jannik has got great wheels. He can move. Raffi has been throwing that puck wide for him and using his speed to his advantage. A couple of times last night he got some good shots off. It’s a big part of his game and when he is moving his feet he is in on top of it.”

          Hansen takes Raymond’s ribbing in good stride but suggested he has a handicap competing against his smaller teammate.

          “There’s no doubt Mason is a little bit faster,” he said. “But if we strap a 25-pound weight belt on him, let’s see what he can do.”

  63. frontenac1 says:

    Komi fights like a girl! Get a grip amigos.Grand Funk is great. “I’m your captain” Saludos!

  64. Bill says:

    I know it has been discussed to death … but I just still can’t believe this Phoenix Coyotes baloney.

    That city council are the biggest bunch of suckers I have ever heard of.

    Worse, real hockey teams in real markets are essentially subsidizing this pathetic excuse for a professional sports franchise. NHL money keeps the Coyotes afloat so that they can essentially give away tickets.

    Bettman sucks.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Lest you run afoul of shootdapuck, tread lightly. He’s quite protective of his local team, it’s a short drive from his home. He says that if the fans weren’t jerked around so much, if there was some stability or guarantee that the team would stay in Glendale, they’d care more.

      The current council were left to deal with the disastrous decisions made before them. They had to make the best of a bad situation, and there was no ‘right’ solution.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/the-phoenix-coyotes-will-become-seattle.html

    • habs11s says:

      It’s like a gambler sitting in a casino, down a lot of money, saying “he’s going to make a lot of money soon”

      _____________________________________________________________

      “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • The Gonk says:

      What the NHL is doing there in Glendale is predatory and immoral; Bettman’s vanity project.

      • Saintpatrick33 says:

        Well Bettman is exactly that predatory and immoral. He’s soaking that city for who knows how many millions just to save face.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Those city councilors are in over their heads. But the league have shown their amorality in sucking money out of a town that can’t pay its bills.

      The new owners RSE don’t even have any money to buy the team. They’re borrowing it, including $80M from … the NHL!

      The NHL is selling the team to RSE AND lending them the money to buy it.

      In other words the $15M/yr that was extorted out of Glendale City will mostly go to the NHL.

      It’s a complete con job.

    • Haborama says:

      It represents terrible injustice against the citizens of Glendale, who will now be forced to accept reduced public services (police/firefighting) so that a bunch of half-witted apes can keep a hockey team that no one watches at all. This is a dying dog that needs to be put down NOW!

      This team would work much better for the NHL in Seattle or Quebec City, and yet for some reason, Bettman refuses to move the fan-less, decaying, foul-smelling gangrenous half-corpse known as the Phoenix Coyotes to a location where it can be revived and flourish.

      The fact that Bettman continues to sustain the life of this terminally ill franchise shows that he possesses a mix of stupidity and sadistic cruelty unseen since the days of Nero.

    • florida habs says:

      its a big club, there are about 14 franchises that report losses.

    • wjc says:

      I don’t suppose some people will ever get it.

      Phoenix needs big league hockey. Profesional teams generate much revenue. They bring people to the area, restaurants, hotels, taxi’s, malls, bars on and on….they all prosper. Including people paying more taxes, including hockey players, executives, arena staff.

      The south needs rivalries to flourish as well. The NHL needs these teams to succeed. Just like Montreal needs Toronto, Buffalo, Ottawa, Boston to hate (these are rivalries.)

      As the interest grows, from the kids, who drag mom and dad to a game and they discover it and tell their friends, (word of mouth) then families buy season tickets and start to follow hockey and realize what a great game it is, just like you did once upon a time.

      So shaky beginnings can lead to great things. If this did not work this time Bettman had Seattle lined up. But, low and behold council passed and they are staying.

      This is bigger and more far reaching then putting a team in New Market.

      wjc

      • H.Upmann says:

        excellent post! that’s right- word of mouth is powerful.. I hope eventually Phoenix does well, as I hope MLS takes off in Canada. Good for the area, the people, developing spirit, culture etc. etc.

        edit: however, I do find the con job aspect of the whole deal pretty dirty

        • Mr. Biter says:

          Most people only look at the salaries the players make and don’t realize the impact a major league team brings to the city’s economy.
          Arena workers, restaurant’s, hotels and their staff as well as what people spend in every town if they come in to watch a game.
          When the strike/lockout was on Downtown Bars in Winnipeg were dead without the fans going to the games.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

      • habfan01 says:

        Phoenix needs big league hockey like Honolulu needs an outdoor game in July. It’s not the right time, place or market for hockey- as has been proven over the years

        • Habsbill24 says:

          Almost everyone who posts on here has not been to Phoenix or seen a game there. The Jets were terrible when they arrived. The original downtown arena was built for basketball and had horrible sight lines for hockey, they could not get their act together and build an arena in Scottsdale where the money is. Instead they put it in Glendale, a 45 minute drive from Scottsdale as Moyes looked for a real estate play. The guy was a trucker, not a hockey man. 2008 hit, markets crashed, no real estate deals were to be made and he lost a pant load and declared bankruptcy. The team never had a chance to succeed. Glendale was screwed either way. Pay to have the Coyotes stay or have an empty building with a ton of debt and no way to pay it off. Phoenix is the 5th or 6th largest city in the US. There is a youth hockey program. Maybe with real owners they can be successful. I do not know why the NHL fought so hard to have the Coyotes stay but Phoenix is as good or better hockey town than Columbus, Nashville, Miami, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Raleigh or Anaheim. If there is blame here, it should be directed at the Glendale town council of several years ago who thought it was a good idea to mortgage the town’s future and build a hockey rink, a football stadium and a spring training stadium without figuring out how they would pay for them. Municipal malpractice in spades. Let’s hope the league gets to a nice even number like 32 and goes into Quebec, Seattle or Toronto-2.

  65. HabFab says:

    AHL free agents, Bulldogs could use a couple of vets to work with the kids;
    http://therinkreport.blogspot.ca/2013/07/top-300-ahl-free-agents-73.html

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Leblanc – Dumont – Thomas
      Holland – Bournival – Blunden
      Lefebvre – Nattinen – Quailer

      Tinordi* – Beaulieu
      Pateryn – Ellis
      Dietz

      Nygren? Thrower? Not sure if they will play for Bulldogs this year. Don’t know if they will resign any of their UFAs either. Tinordi may start in the NHL.

      Looks like they need some good depth AHL guys and maybe a really good top 6 veteran. Losing Geoffrion really hurts the Bulldogs. Also could use a steady veteran Dman on the backend. Drewiske?

      Hope Leblanc bounces back this year. Otherwise it looks like Dumont, Blunden, and Beaulieu will be the top call ups. Hopefully Holland gets a chance too.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        I think one of those forwards will win the job that Colby Armstrong had last year. If it isn’t Louis Leblanc he might not have a future with the Canadiens.

    • SlovakHab says:

      Absolutely. 2-3 of those certainly wouldn’t hurt.

  66. Mark C says:

    Seems en vogue to bash to management, but it refreshing to read items, such as the following from Mac Bennett’s blog. Things are changing for the better.

    “I had promised the player development coach, Patrice Brisebois, that I’d weigh 195 pounds when I arrived at camp, so I was pumped when I stepped on the scale and saw 195.0.”

    http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-hockey/spec-rel/070313aad.html

  67. habs11s says:

    “The Great One” must have said ‘the leafs’ in a sentence because the Toronto Sports Network almost pooped their pants thinking he was joining the team…

    _____________________________________________________________

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  68. ClutchNGrab says:

    So, there’s a player named Grant Clitsome, really???

  69. JohnBellyful says:

    “Sit down, Mr. Bergevin – uh, that’s fine, if you want to lie on the floor, whatever’s most comfortable. Could you just roll over a bit to the right. I have a thing about not covering the family crest in the carpet. Thanks. I, uh, see that you came alone. You do remember me saying over the phone marriage counselling sessions, especially the first one, accomplish more when both partners are present?”
    “Yeah, I remember. But HIOcinth was in one of her moods and refused to come.”
    “Well, we’ll proceed without her – this time. But she’ll definitely have to attend the next session. So tell me what’s the problem.”
    “I just can’t seem to do anything right these days. But then there are other times – not as often anymore – when she thinks the world of me and I can do no wrong. I think she’s bipolar.”
    “Hmmmm. How long have the two of you been together?”
    “Just over a year.”
    “So the honeymoon ended a while back?”
    “A while back, yep.”
    “Been married before?”
    “I haven’t. But HIOcinth’s been with two other men the last 10 years and both of those relationships ended badly. She chased them out of town. The last guy sounded like a real kook.”
    “You knew what you were getting into though, right?”
    “Oh, yeah. She even admitted to having a few doubts about us getting together – there were other suitors – but she was mostly happy the first few months, especially when I started fixing up the place she’s lived in for the last decade. Last year, when no one was home – HIOcinth spends a lot of time in bars arguing with people – something happened to the plumbing in the bathroom, the tank overflowed, the place flooded, the floors collapsed and everything ended up in the basement. She blamed it on her ex.”
    “She couldn’t have been pleased.”
    “She wasn’t at first but then she thought it was the best thing that ever could have happened. She’s strange, doc.
    “Anyways, when I came along I got rid of a few things that weren’t working – that cost a pretty penny, let me tell you – and I picked up some pieces, you know, to rebuild. I warned her, though, it would take a few years.”
    “A few years? That sounds reasonable. Most men I know keep telling their wives they’ll get around to finishing all those projects soon, soon, and before you know it they’re retired and too old to do anything.”
    “Exactly. And when I said a few years I was being optimistic. The place has been going downhill for 20 years, with only a few improvements along the way, but now she’s getting impatient after one year, ONE year. I don’t understand women, especially women who are hot and cold.
    “Want more examples? HIOcinth is really into antiques, she’s always wanting to add pieces that have been around for awhile, saying they’ll spruce up the house and give it new life. So I get her a vintage coal oil lamp. And it really lit up the place the first year we had it.
    “And when it fizzled I traded it in for a used Red Ryder BB gun. HIOcinth never saw that coming and she really got a kick out of that – at first. But then the damn thing jammed, other things around the house started falling apart, and – well, here we are. Here I am.”
    [A brief pause while doctor changes batteries in recorder]

    • JohnBellyful says:

      “Have you tried to inject a little romance into your relationship?”
      “All the time. I got HIOcinth lots a little things I thought would please her, pretty flashy stuff – okay, only one was a diamond, I admit it – so she started nagging me about being chintzy – and, get this, she always pronounces chintzy by stressing the ‘ch’, what’s with that? – Anyways, I gave up trying to impress her with trinkets and went out and bought a honkin’ big freezer. Something practical. And now she won’t talk to me. I give up.”
      “It does sound like there are some serious issues going on here, Mr. Bergevin. Now don’t be angry but I do have to ask you this question as your marriage counsellor: Are you and HIOcinth still … intimate?”
      “She is. On the Internet. Not me. Doc, we live separate lives. All she ever does is put up her thoughts, feelings, opinions, advice – lots and lots of advice – online 24/7. Really personal stuff. Some of it’s nice but lately it’s been hurtful. She’s starting to question my gmhood. I can only look at her jottings three, four times a day now before I start feeling nauseous.”
      “Mr. Bergevin, I just want to make clear, are you telling me you and HIOcinth have never consummated your relationship?”
      “Well, we both feel like we’re getting screwed – but it’s not very satisfying.”
      “I can see why. It’s definitely not a healthy situation. I’m here to help you make it better. What do you think could fix it?”
      “There is one thing I know that would really bring the two of us together, an antique HIOcinth has had her eyes on for years. Me, too, in fact.”
      “What’s that?”
      “A Stanley Cup.”
      “Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha – Mr. Bergevin – ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, — sorry – ha, ha, ha, ha, ha – your time’s up – ha, ha, ha, ha, ha — see you next week – ha, ha, ha, ha, ha – and be sure to bring HIOcinth, willya – ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha – I can’t wait to meet her – ha, ha, ha.”
      “I’ll leave a post-it note.”

      – “A little song, a little dance, psychoanalysis – take a chance.” –

  70. Stevie.Ray says:

    Looking at our prospect depth, we still don’t have any big goal scorers in the system except for Quailer (who is no guarantee to turn out). I think our need for a big goal scorer is more important than just a big bottom 6 guy. We have a couple goal scorers in Holland, Hudon, Bozon, and now Thomas, but I don’t see more than one making the team in a top 6 role. That’s why I was upset we wasted our first round pick when there were at least two goal scorers that played a powerforward game still available. Especially when we could have gotten McCaron at 34 or 36. And then we go and trade an small asset in Kristo for somebody even smaller. I didn’t see Kristo ever making an impact in the NHL, but I was hoping we could move him for someone we could use. Nothing against Thomas, but he won’t make the NHL while DD, Gally, and Gio are still here no matter how much “character” he has. Just a redundant move. I wasn’t impressed with MB this week.

    • JUST ME says:

      If there was such a player as a big goal scorer in the system, he would play in Montreal not in the farm teams. Easy to criticize MB when no one ever played in the NHL not even the other team`s picks. Hopefully when they do ,if they make it to the NHL and succeed you will come back as easilly this time to congratulate MB.

      I suppose you were one of those holding their breath for muscles,Bickle,Torres or Clowe and now that they went for such a player in McCaron it` s complaining time ! Could have done better ! Of course so easy to say from the living room in front of our tv.

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        Difference being Bickel would have addressed a current need. Drafts address future needs, and with McCarron we’re probably looking 4 or 5 years down the road if he makes the NHL which in my opinion is a longshot. I realize the team needs to have a bit more size, but it also needs goal scorers, which are harder to come by. In my opinion we passed on players that are better, fit a need, and are more likely to make the NHL and have an impact. Of course, who knows how they will turn out, but as for right now I think they made the wrong choice.

    • Mark C says:

      Oh boy, here we go. The guys already a wasted pick less than a week after the draft because you think there were better power forward prospects, that you know will become more useful in the future left at 25.

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        25 has nothing to do with it. There were guys available that I think better addressed a need (gritty power forwards), have more upside, and are considered to be be more likely to make the NHL. Combined with the fact that we probably could have gotten McCaron at 34 or 36, I think it’s clearly a bad pick. Maybe McCaron can make the NHL. I think he tops out at a 3rd line player , but he’ll probably be a fourth liner if we’re lucky. If he does make the NHL, he’ll need 4 or 5 years to develop because he is still very raw. I which case, drafting because of need doesn’t make sense because who knows what our needs will be in 5 years.

        • Mark C says:

          You make a lot of assumptions and ultimately value your opinion over a full team of NHL scouts who have done a better job of picking talent than the vast majority of teams.

  71. Dunboyne Mike says:

    One story that started well today but dropped out quickly was about Komi. Reports of his class re. handling his situation (though not hesitating to deliver a cross-check, as recalled by…HF72?), and that he could be a decent, cheap stop-gap til Emelin’s return. Wouldn’t you like to see him regain his confidence? And wouldn’t Montreal be a good spot?

    • Chris says:

      Montreal wouldn’t be a good spot.

      He needs a team where his every mistake won’t be magnified, analyzed and jeered by the crowd. He can still be an effective hockey player, but I’d like to see him go to a team like Columbus, Nashville or Phoenix.

      All of those teams have some passionate and knowledgeable fans, but the pressure is not even close to what he experienced in Montreal and Toronto.

      I always liked Komisarek. He was a stand-up guy that was always there to take the heat when the 2008-09 Habs blew up. He was a true leader on that team, and he was one of the guys that stood up for Price the most. I still remember the disgust evident on his face with the Montreal crowd when they were jeering Price as he came off the ice. Komisarek looked visibly upset. A guy like that can play on my team any day.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Under “Wishful Thinking”:

        For him to return to regular NHL play, he will have to overcome the various issues that saw him slide off the Leafs. Couldn’t one of those issues be dealing with media attention? Could he not come back like Steve Austin, “stronger, faster, better”?

        Because I liked him, too. I also think it’s only our sense of the dramatic that assigns all the blame for his problems on a lost fight.

      • florida habs says:

        back home with the Islanders, no pressure there, no one shows up for the games

    • Bill says:

      I can’t see it. I just can’t see it. I believe Komisarek is finished as an NHL defender.

      Also, I can’t quite forget how he bailed on the Habs as a UFA for a small amount of extra money after the Habs treated him with so much respect … to the point of putting him behind the bench as a temporary coach when he was injured.

      Obviously it’s lucky for us he left … but I didn’t like the way he did that.

      Anyway, no. That story is over. Ended a long time ago. Let’s leave Komisarek be. Maybe the Flyers will sign him, ha.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Chris says:

        I think he bailed on Montreal because of what happened in the playoffs that season and the turmoil around that team. Toronto just happened to be the best offer that got him out of town.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Burke promised him a spot on the US Olympic Team(*).

          (*: my intern still hasn’t shown up so I can’t verify this one. )

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Don’t worry about fact-checking, it’s HIO canon, like Hal Gill hates Michel Therrien. If it’s a myth, it’s beyond debunkation.

            Think of it like the Leafs fans who swear that the Canadiens were better than the Leafs because they had the two best french players reserved for them every year. It has an inherent truthiness, and you can’t reach them with logic or facts.

          • Bill says:

            Debunkation?

            Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        That chapter never reached me here, but I’ll take your word for it.
        Any mitigating circumstances? What age was he?

        • Bill says:

          He was 27 and a UFA. He turned down Montreal’s offer and took a very similar offer – slightly more – in Toronto, which I think is not cool.

          The mitigating circumstances would be what Chris said right above you. The team was going through tough times. But the team had stuck by him in tough times.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • The Juice says:

            Agree 100%. Habs fans voted him to the All Star Game, and pegged him as the future captain, and then he defects to the Laughs? His name is mud in MTL forevermore…

            __________________________________________________________________________

            “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

          • florida habs says:

            it didn’t help that Lucy knocked his lights out and he lost confidence.

      • Saintpatrick33 says:

        I feel the same way. He left us for a division rival for a small pittance of money (luckily). I wouldn’t touch him if even if he wanted to play with us for free.

    • axxerd11 says:

      I can’t see Komisarek back in Montreal. The way he left (to the Leafs no less!), combined with how he was heavily booed when he returned is one reason. Another reason is that I think it is time to let guys like Tinordi have a shot rather than trying to revive Komisarek’s career.

      —-
      Newfoundland’s biggest Habs fan. Hands down.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Well no, I wouldn’t want to impede Tinordi’s development, was only thinking Komi could fill in until Emelin’s healthy.

        But I think the above discussion looks fairly conclusive!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Now you want Mike Komisarek. For months I’ve been advocated we trade useless Tomas Kaberle and his horrible contract for barely useful Mike Komisarek and his awful contract. I was shouted down, that he can’t play anymore, and my rejoinder was that neither can Tomas Kaberle, but at least Mike Komisarek can distribute crosschecks and hit somebody once in a while.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/03/mike-komisarek-for-tomas-kaberle.html

      I was a prophet before my time.

    • Marc10 says:

      Yeah, he’s done…

      Bouillon is a better #6 any day of the week and wants to play here. Heck, I’d rather we play Pateryn/Beaulieu than Komi.

      Komi learned the hard way what it’s like to play with someone other than Andrei Markov. When you’re a big guy with not much foot speed and you struggle to make first pass, you need a very skilled partner who buys you time and space.

      So no… but if you’re thinking he’s a stop gap measure, that shows you how little there is out there in terms of available D.

  72. Chris says:

    With the Tour de France on once again, the subject of performance enhancing drugs in sports inevitably rears its head once more.

    What has always surprised me is that people are so quick to condemn that sport because so many riders get caught doping. I think that is actually laudable…it means that their doping controls are working, albeit years after the fact in many cases.

    What has always bothered me is the lack of hockey players getting busted. Hockey is a sport that puts a huge premium on cardio (EPO) and strength (HGH, steroids), so it is beyond naive to believe that there isn’t a problem with PED’s, particularly in the junior ranks where the testing would be even less stringent than the already remarkably lax NHL testing. We know that amphetamine abuse has been and continues to be rampant.

    At the moment, there is no NHL drug testing for either HGH or for amphetamines (which were notoriously abused by previous generations of hockey players). Steroid testing is in place, but random out-of-season testing has been extraordinarily limited.

    Clearly things have to shape up on this front. We’re seeing players get bigger, faster and stronger than ever before. And it isn’t all natural. A close friend of mine played hockey with a reasonably high profile NHL player and privately disclosed that that player was using steroids from his early teens. Whether he continued into the NHL is unknown, and I’m not ever naming the player. But I trust the friend enough to believe that he was telling the truth.

    Hockey almost certainly has a PED problem. You hear rumours all the time (and let’s not get into that stuff here), but there remains a complete lack of positive tests among prominent players.

    I was hoping the new CBA would bring with it more stringent drug testing. We are already seeing a ton of retired players suffering from various ailments due to hockey-related injuries that were pushed under the carpet as recently as a few years ago. The long-term effects of PED-abuse is another such powder-keg.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Chris, thanks for this. I’ve maintained that today’s bigger stronger players is due to something more than better conditioning and diet.
      Isn’t the real issue with testing the fact that the chemist are always one step ahead of the testing process? I’d love to see sports one day say we’re keeping samples of your blood to additional test in the future. Then the debate becomes what punishment to render.

    • Bill says:

      I’m sort of split on this one. Drug testing is so difficult to carry out, and it seems like there is always a way around it. Very frustrating.

      It is a virtual certainty that most Olympic records are currently held by people who used performance-enhancing substances. That’s kind of depressing. It’s like there is no way to stop it.

      I hate to think of kids getting into that stuff, so I am definitely all for extremely stringent testing at the CHL level. But in the pros I think it’s a losing battle, and at this point we are talking about adults who are making a personal choice.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Chris says:

        It is difficult to catch the cheats, but that shouldn’t deter us from trying. I think the biological passport systems that are being implemented in cycling is one way to go. HGH is very, very difficult to catch with tests if the player isn’t a nitwit.

        But what you can look for is changes in their baseline biological markers that aren’t natural. This was ultimately what got Armstrong (some of his levels were off the charts high, which finally turned the USDA from enabler to rabid hound), and was also what ultimately busted Quebec cyclist Genevieve Jeanson.

        If we’re seeing more concussions because players are bigger and stronger than ever before, I think anything that tries to stamp out artificially enhanced size should be pursued.

        It is similar to cheating on tests and exams in university: we can never catch 100% of the cheats. We probably don’t even get 50% of them. But we still try our damnedest to catch as many as possible to serve as a deterrent for those that are waffling on whether to cheat or not.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          I agree.
          The league won’t.
          Players on PEDs = better profits.
          If the league doesn’t want to catch as many as possible, it simply won’t happen.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Don Cherry has already covered this matter: Hockey players are honourable, and wouldn’t do that, and don’t need drugs anyway. If they took steroids they would be musclebound and unable to play.

      Nothing left to discuss.

  73. krob1000 says:

    How about “McClubbin” for McCarron nickname.


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