Habs deal Desjardins to Bolts for Ramo

Karri Ramo, new to the Canadiens as of tonight.
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Cédrick Desjardins is now a member of the Tampa Bay Lightning, the Canadiens’ fast-becoming unofficial affiliate in Florida, in exchange for Finnish goaltender Karri Ramo.

• The team’s release:

Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier announced today the acquisition of goaltender Karri Ramo from the Tampa Bay Lightning, in return for netminder Cédrick Desjardins.

Ramo, 24, suited up for 44 games with Omsk in the Kontinental Hockey League in 2009-10, posting a record of 21 wins, 17 losses, 4 overtime losses, a 2.11 goals against average and a .913 save percentage.

He tied for 6th in the league in goals against average, and was also tied for 4th with four shutouts.

A native of Asikkala, Finland, Ramo played in 125 professional
games in North America between the age of 20 and 23. Selected in the
sixth round, 191st overall by Tampa Bay in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft, he
played 48 NHL career regular season games with the Lightning between
2006 and 2009, posting an 11-21-10 record, a 3.35 goals against average
and a .895 save percentage. The 6-foot-2, 201-pound netminder also
participated in 77 games in the American Hockey League with Springfield
and Norfolk.

Cédrick Desjardins joined the Canadiens as a
free agent on July 3, 2008. He played a total of 90 games with the AHL
Hamilton Bulldogs during the past four seasons, posting a 59-27-5
record, a 2.64 goals against average and a .901 save percentage. The
Edmundston, N.B. native also played 67 games with the ECHL Cincinnati
Cyclones, winning the Kelly Cup in 2008.

• Comment via release from Lightning GM Steve Yzerman:

“We are happy to be able to add Cedrick to the Lightning today. With his American Hockey League
experience, he will provide excellent goaltending depth for the
organization, allowing us to be patient while Dustin Tokarski and
Jaroslav Janus further mature and develop.”

682 Comments

  1. SlovakHab says:

    The leagues are different, for sure.. Even playing for 2 different teams within the same league has an influence on your stats – especially the quality of teammates.

    But I am pretty sure NHL is above the AHL and Russian league is no worse then the farm league as well..

    The only downside of this deal for me is that Ramo is reportedly committed to the KHL for 1 more season. 

  2. saskhabfan says:

    As usual,nothing but empty threats and insults from a little boy not smart enough to come back with any kind of hockey related rebuttle. Your the only one who thinks i’m a “putz” but everyone else on this site calls you an idiot. So,who is right? The numbers don’t lie. Oh,btw if i’m some sort of “gay stalker” does this make you a pedophile for making luring posts? I think it does. I can only hope you stay away from little kids sites,pedo.

     

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  3. SeriousFan09 says:

    Team’s elimination also came on Sanford not doing much of a goaltending job in the two games the Bulldogs had to knock off the Texas Stars. I saw the mistakes of Subban’s play which is why I spent the year arguing on here to leave the kid in the AHL and not bring him up mid-season because I didn’t feel his game was ready yet either. There was also this supposed next great goalie Desjardins getting yanked in the previous series and Sanford taking over because Desjardins was letting the team down. A goalie who can’t play the puck is not a viable NHL goaltender and I doubt anyone here has the stones to argue the point.

    You’re of the group that has always argued Halak is a pure winner, why back a guy who couldn’t at 25 keep his job over a career AHL journeyman in the AHL playoffs? This is not Halak 2.0 guys, it was a guy who might be a backup goalie in another year or two and faces very long odds of ever being a NHL starter.

     

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  4. RetroMikey says:

    Dude, you need to stop following me around this site all the time when I post comments.

    I’m starting to wonder if you are a gay stalker on this site, oh marone!  We got a wild one here!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  5. SeriousFan09 says:

    Halak was also ECHL at a younger age than Desjardins and graduated to the NHL far quicker than he did. Halak was a 9th-rounder breaking ‘the rules’ as it were for expectations from those draftees, Desjardins was an undrafted free agent that performed about as well as you expect an undrafted FA to perform.

     

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  6. RetroMikey says:

    So by watching them play on AHL streams surely you must have seen many defensive lapses by PK Subban as well which led to opposition goals throughput the season and the defensive turnover by Subban in the Iowa Stars playoff game which led to the team’s elimination?

    Funny how you never noticed Subban’s  mistakes but pointing your finger at Desjardins mistakes.

    We are all human.  It goes both ways.

     

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  7. yathehabsrule says:

    I often agree with you on most issues, but…

    All goalies hit their peaks at different ages from 20-30.

    Halak was also once an ECHL goalie..albeit at a younger age…and shorter than Price.

    You are comparing KHL and NHL stats to AHL ones? Three completely different leauges.

     

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  8. HabFanSince72 says:

    Exactly!

     

  9. sholi2000.com says:

    This trade has zero effect on the Canadiens.  But it’s a break from the usual nothing this summer lol

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  10. habs03 says:

    I don’t think he’ll every been a backup for a playoff team, for example I can see Tampa trading either Ellis or Smith at the deadline and bring Desjardin up for the rest of the year instead of rushing their goalie prospect. I think Ramo is more capable of being an NHL backup, to add his has about 2 years of NHL experience and about 40-50 NHL games played, as opposed to none by Desjardin. The funny thing is there is a strong possibility that neither of them every play an NHL game…

  11. Aerobiz says:

    Something about this trade makes me very uncomfortable.

     

    Whenever I see a trade like this (lower tier or minor league player) I always wonder about where the impetus for the trade came from.

     

    This isn’t about moving a salary, a problem player or filling a hole.

     

     It’s about one of these teams wanting a player that the other team had.  

     

    So I ask, did Tampa want Cedrick or did we want Ramo?

     

    That’s when my stomach gets knotted up.

     

    Stevie Y has been cherry picking this organization with zero visible resistance, and now that he has Boucher at his side do you think that maybe the coach who worked with Cedrick all of last season perhaps put in the suggestion that they might be able to steal a good prospect while the Habs hedge all of their bets on Price? (Rightfully or wrongfully, who knows?)

     

    Did we just get fleeced?

     

    Tampa has much more info on Cedrick than we have on Ramo.

     

    And then consider this: after Price we have Auld, then Sanford, while we wait for Ramo’s KHL contract to expire.

     

    Tums, tums, tums, tums, tummmmmms.

     

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  12. saskhabfan says:

    Whats your point? Had we traded rammo for desjardins instead, you would have bitched and moaned we traded a hard working finnish goalie for a french kid to please the montreal media. Either way your a cry baby.

     

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  13. Mark C says:

    You are right, however it was a 2 two span (only played 2 games in year 1). His first semi-full season he played 22 games and had the best numbers out of Smith, Denis, and Holmqvist. The following season Mike Smith took the job from him by out playing Ramo.

  14. habs03 says:

    High Ranked? up and coming? Have you watched him play, If you a team looking to make the playoffs and Cedric is your back-up, you have a huge problem. Classic case of just looking at numbers and hearing how he was an AHL all star. Desjardin is going to be a career AHL goalie, with maybe a handful of NHL games late in the season. Ramo future isn’t any brighter but lets go go overboard for the sake of it. And Niemi…there is a reason why the Hawks walked away from his 2.75 salary, and there is a reason why no one has signed him.

  15. Nina76 says:

    winning habit………………..Boy do I agree with you just keep picken away they’ll have the whole team any time soon I don’t understand what the heck is going on………….tell us what the delay is aout Price that would be more interesting

  16. The Cat says:

    I dont watch the bulldogs, but I remember last year almost everyone here was raving about him, and how he could backup when there was rumours of Halak being shipped, and now Desjardins is traded and a lot are saying hes a career AHLer anyway. So to answer your question I think yes a lot of people thought he was more than an AHL goalie.

     

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  17. SlovakHab says:

    I disagree with the article.

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    And they might have lost the previous series had Desjardins stayed in nets.

     

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  19. The Cat says:

    Yes Im always for cutting youth some slack, he got his chances during a 3 year span though which is more than most would get, TB really believed in him at some point, I remember it well.

     

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  20. SeriousFan09 says:

    I saw Desjardins play, live and using the AHL streams before those dried up on ATDHE. He was crap playing the puck, pure and simple and had trouble skating back to his net after those flubbed attempts failed. Soft goals were a part of his time in HAM and I remember the Bulldogs having to mount a comeback from being down 4-1 to the Phantoms on a road game because Desjardins crapped the bed in nets and only made the comeback because of a two-goal effort by Subban leading the way and swapping in Sanford at goal.

    He was 25, this wasn’t another ‘case of the poor little unnoticed star goalie being made to suffer and persecuted in favour of Carey Price’, he was someone who might be a backup in the NHL one day and be lucky to have the job.

     

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  21. SlovakHab says:

    Karri Ramo vs Cedric Desjardins:

    Ramo (24) is 1 year younger. Desjardins, a kid according to some people on this site, is 25 years old (in September), still to play a game in the NHL.

    Ramo is also a taller guy. 

    When 23 years old, Desajrdins was an ECHL goalie, while Ramo was an NHL backup.

    Ramo’s career SV% numbers in the NHL are .895 (89.5%), Desjardins’ AHL career SV% is .901 (90.1%). 0.6% difference. Moreover, Ramo’s KHL numbers are better than Desjardins’ AHL numbers.

    As for hockeysfuture ratings, Ramo was given 7.0C and already graduated from prospect rankings, Desjardins got 6.5C (lower), while still being among prospects, ranked 13th.

     

  22. PeterD says:

    Instead of trading away a high ranked future NHL goaltender for an unsigned KHL goalie that we don’t know if he will ever come back to the NHL an dif he does at what cost…he will probably cost a relatively high cap hit and not be too happy heading to he AHL next year…so what did we get back??

    If I’m Pierre G. and of course I am not, at this point I would have gone after Niemi or another starter goalie and sent Carey Price and his agent a message that they do not have arbitration rights and Carey does not have the performance record to demand too much from an organization that has publicly stated he is the future in Hab town.  If they don’t want to sign NOW, then it’s time to sit and watch hockey on TV for a season.

    By trading away our number one up and coming goaltender we have potentally put the big team at serious risk if either of our starting goalies goes down with an injury…what happens if we lose Auld or price to a knee injury or serious groin pull at some point in the season…who do you call up?  Certainly not Ramo who is comfortably playing away in the KHL…with limited cap space what do we do to get someone off the open

    This is a very strange move on Gauthiers part…of course with all the Tampa moves with Montreal….maybe Yzerman has photos of Gauthier in a bad position…

  23. The Cat says:

    Yes Ill give you that one, he certainly wasn’t brought in or developed properly. And goalies certainly went there to die lol Hope it doesnt linger with him like it did Marc Denis.

     

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  24. Bill J says:

    What was your first hint ? lol

    Lecavalier ?

    St.Louis ?

    Surely not Guy Boucher or Julien BriseBois ?

    Desjardins now…

     

  25. Mark C says:

    He got his first shot in TB at 21. I think it’s worth cutting him some slack.

  26. Mark C says:

    I agree this is pretty much a sideways move, with an eye towards next year. Desjardins has been in a spit situation the last two seasons in Ham., and has pretty much had the same numbers and Marc Denis and Curtis Sanford. Desjardins seems headed towards a back-up role in the NHL, at best. I think Ramo has a slightly higher upside compared to Desjardin. All and all, Montreal traded their 4th, or 3rd string goalie for a player with a little more upside to replace Auld next season.

    I wonder if Chester Rockstrom had anything to do with this trade.

     

  27. The Cat says:

    His numbers are decent,,, ”in 90 career AHL games, recording a 49-27-5 record, 2.34 goals-against average and a .909 save percentage.’

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  28. RetroMikey says:

    I disagree, not from what I have seen and others will attest to that who have seen himn play from the getgo.

    Don’t know here you get your facts from perhaps surfing the net on Desjardins or reading too many of those hockey prospects magazines out there,  but he was a solid goalie in Hamilton and was getting better.

    Funny how you criticize a guy like Desjardins when he is traded to another team.

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  29. avatar_58 says:

    Doesn’t change the fact that 2 epic stinkers cost them important games. They COULD have won that series

  30. christophor says:

    his W-L record isn’t that good, so his sv% looks a little better if accomplished in outmatched efforts.

    whatever, i dont think it matters much.

    i dont think anyone will get lucky with cedrick. maybe with ramo. the trade’s for a long shot and the price was a bit of reprimanding by the press.

  31. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ramo was also a kid thrust into a goaltending job on a team strapped for cash and lacking depth. 6th-round pick trying to make good at the same age Price first started tending goal for the Habs, but lacking Price’s great natural talent and accomplishments.

    Ramo’s not as good Price of course, but he got the same job at the same age and I doubt much of a support system, playing under Barry Melrose and Rick Tocchet… I’m not saying he’s going to be great but he kind of got a stiff shaft in proper player development.

     

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  32. habs03 says:

    Ramo isn’t anything more than a backup goalie, I’m pretty sure he know that too, but as to come here as opposed to staying in the NHL, its a question of money, I think he would come here now but just not to the AHL. Does anyone who watch the Bulldogs really think Desjardin will ever be more than an AHL goalie, some people seem to complain for the sake of it..(just talking in general).

  33. The Cat says:

    When you consider TB’s goaltending woes after Khabibulin left, Ramo was given more than ample chances and couldnt capitalize, I have doubts. He did well in the KHL but they dont score there, so you got to be a particularly bad goalie to not have a .900 sv pct or better.

     

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  34. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desjardins was losing the playoffs for them before Boucher switched him for Sanford.

    Dogs lost because Subban was with the Canadiens and the Texas Stars put a bloody ringer into the playoffs (Jamie Benn didn’t play ONE AHL game until the AHL playoffs than suddenly popped up on their roster. Injuries to Mathieu Carle, Yannick Weber and Max Pacioretty hardly made things better to the point where they were only available for the final game of the season.

     

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  35. avatar_58 says:

    So then what – a Price/Halak combo again? Is Ramo going to enjoy being a backup over the KHL?

  36. SeriousFan09 says:

    Nice of you to paint the Finns with such a broad brush. I know you love the Bulldogs Mikey but pull off the goggles, he got yanked in the playoffs for playing poorly and he wasn’t exactly lights-out brilliant all the time during regular season either, a supreme Boucher defensive system and P.K. Subban helped his numbers a bit I’d say.

    Desjardins had a 25% chance of ever being the backup for the Canadiens. He had consistency issues, wasn’t a good skater and was a nightmare when it came to playing the puck.

     

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  37. christophor says:

    seen desjardins play quite a few times last year. more the product of a good team. nothing special. technically weak even. horrendous with the puck. but i did like the guy. and he did what he needed to.

    the worst ramo could be is a bigger cedrick. i read he has technical issues as well, though is very athletic, if the internet speaks the truth. maybe his unsuccessful stint in the nhl did him some good (if his recent khl numbers mean anything – so far adam has the best comment in this discussion).

    trade a career ahl-er for a guy who looks more likely to get better? why not. cedrick might get a crack at the nhl but who knows. i don’t really see how it matters outside tomorrow morning’s tabloids. 

  38. habs03 says:

    Its a sideway move which I kinda like, Desjardin is a good AHL player, nothing more, he might be able to play a few NHL games late in the season when games don’t count but that is it. And btw Ramo is a better goalie than Desjardin, the issue with Ramo was that he didn’t want to play in the AHL, and so he went to the KHL. I think this move is for next year, I think Ramo has one year left on his contract in the KHL, and maybe next year he will replace Auld as the backup, which he is more capable of doing so than Desjardin.

  39. JasonM says:

    What is going on? Why? He was doing well, wasn’t he?

  40. yathehabsrule says:

    So much for Stubbs call early this morning that it was a slow day, eh?

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  41. SeriousFan09 says:

    He’s on a two-year deal with the KHL and entering year 2 now, but KHL contracts have been broken (See Alex Avtsin) and Ramo is not Russian so it’s not a home country factor either. His pro rights go to MTL now so if he wants to play in the NHL/AHL he’s ours and I imagine he’d favour the NHL over the KHL given the choice.

    I would expect G Robert Mayer to step up in the organization and get a job in Hamilton with this move.

     

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  42. avatar_58 says:

    This move has zero to do with the NHL. Both AHL-grade goalie. All this did was weaken the bulldogs and trade away a potential future goaltender.

  43. avatar_58 says:

    Jesus god in heaven no….he lost them the cup

  44. yathehabsrule says:

    A move to secure the birthday boy.

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  45. habs_1993 says:

    umm…..y did we do this trade?

  46. RetroMikey says:

    We get a Vesa Toskala clone and trade a very good French Canadian kid.

    I don’t get it.

     

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  47. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Hmm..possible. Definitely possible.

    Well, that clarifies things a lot! I was really confused…Thanks bud.

  48. MTLForever says:

    Safe to say that Curtis will start for the Dogs

  49. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t understand this move at all

  50. sidhu says:

    Is Ramo even going to play in North America this year — or will he play in the KHL like he did last season?  In other words, did we just trade for his “rights” rather than assurance that he will play in our organization? 

    This move does not make sense to me — seems that Cedrick was playing well in the A.  Boucher knows what he’s doing in asking for Cedrick, this should have triggered some red flags and made us ask for more.

  51. yathehabsrule says:

    They have been on here for a while

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  52. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ramo is about to enter the second and final year of his KHL contract according to Twitter, with that in mind one might except G Robert Mayer who backstopped the Cincinnatti Cyclones to their Kelly Cup Championship in the ECHL to join the Bulldogs this coming season.

     

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  53. a winning habit says:

    We need st start calling Tampa – Montreal South……

     

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  54. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Okkay….

    rather have Desjardins. Confusing move.

  55. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Can someone please send a memo to Stevie Y explaining that there are 28 other teams in the league he is allowed to do deals with.  Someone must have broke into his office and ripped all the numbers out of the rolodex so when Stevie opens it the only number he see’s is PG’s.

  56. yathehabsrule says:

    My take on the trade. Keep in mind it’s a bit of raw reaction.

     

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  57. habs11s says:

    They were obviously too busy posting another video about the leafs NOT trading someone to spell check the article

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  58. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So just a straight up swap? Why? Desjardins was pretty good, no?

    Why is this team helping improve the Lightning?

  59. slapshot777 says:

    That’s about what I would expect from TSN.

     

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  60. HFX-HabFan says:

    The TSN story on the deal says “Candiens, Lightning swap goaltenders”. 

    “Candiens”?  Seriously?

  61. habs11s says:

    “Let’s make a trade, your up-and-coming goalie for these magic beans” -Stevie Y

    “Deal” -PG

     

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  62. slapshot777 says:

    Either way it’s only a swap of AHL goalies. It’s not like they will be starting in the NHL in the near future.

     

     

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  63. Gotta Wear Shades says:

    A head scratcher for sure… with CD with another year left on his contract too!

  64. HFX-HabFan says:

    Carey and Karri!

    All I know about Ramo is that his old mask in Tampa depicted a brain cracking out on its top.

  65. habs001 says:

    no goalie in the world can play 60 games for the habs if the d plays like it did last year…game after game dominated in our zone…blocking shots yes but tons of weird bounces…tons of scoring chances given up..playing goal for the habs last year would have been mentally and physically exhausting..

  66. RetroMikey says:

    You are far the biggest putz on this site, scared of you?  LMAO!

    Grow up you little turd!

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  67. saskhabfan says:

    As usual,a useless response from a inferior poster. You know i’m right so the best you can do is make a discriminate post and provide nothing of substance.  Thats what internet losers like you do. BTW hamilton isn’t a bad city to live in. I’ve been here for about a month. You talk real big for a little pip squeak. I’m also not gay. I like women way too much. Internet tough guys like yourself are the biggest forms of being a coward.

     

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  68. K-hab25 says:

    I agree completely Slovakhab, we clearly got the better player in this deal.

  69. habstrinifan says:

    Read your take on the trade. The trade puzzles me and, for now, I have no understanding of , explanation for , or opinion on it’s long range purpose. But the fragility of psyche that you implicitly attribute to Price scares even me, and I have posted many times on my suspicions re Price’s reluctance to sign. But geeez if Price (or his agent) saw Desjardins as a threat to his security here in Montreal then he really needs help.  

  70. habstrinifan says:

    I listened to that final game especially because Maxwell and Subban had been sent back to help. It may be blasphemy to Mtl fans what I am about to say next.

    I remember the DOGS were taking the play to the Stars with a huge margin in shots on goal and had a two goal (?)lead. Then a funny thing happened. The Dogs game pplan changed. They started to ‘protect’ the lead and different players received more ice time.. Anyone who listened to the game can attest to this. Even the Dogs radio crew commented on the different style of game employed by Guy Boucher. The rest is history.

    Which is why I have never commented on us losing Boucher. That game raised questions. Yes, Subban did try too hard to restore the lead and that lead to a goal. But the damage had been done.

    If you did not listen to the game do not harangue me as a Boucher hater now. If you did listen to the game you will attest to the observations made by the radio announcers.

  71. observer says:

    to “steal”? steal something price never earned?

  72. Les-Habitants says:

    The one problem is that I don’t think Ramo is going to come back to North America…I mean, if he’s got a starter position in the KHL, why would he return to play 3rd goalie?

    And if that’s the case, we basically just dumped Desjardins for nothing

  73. tophab says:

    you don’t have to be very good to be better than price’s  20 wins 49 losses in his last 69 games.

  74. habs03 says:

    Well Ramo doesn’t want to play in the AHL, I think this trade is looking at next years backup position. With the trade, Ramo is able to come back to North America and be the number 2 guy. So next year we’ll most likely see Price-Ramo as our goalies. I don’t think that Desjardin is capable of being a backup for in Montreal with the lack of experience, At least Ramo has played 2 years in the NHL, and 1 already in the KHL, and the KHL > AHL. Its a side ways move that takes a step back in Ham with the possibility of giving us a good backup next year in MTL.

  75. RiverviewCanadien says:

    You bring up a good point, Ramo probably will stay. The point a lot of posters are asking, is if TBL wanted him, why not get something else instead of a guy that will never come abroad.

    They obviously did not see Ramo as being any good (even in the AHL), if he had to leave to join the KHL.

  76. Kooch7800 says:

    I went to a ton of Dogs games last year and Cedrick was amazing and he is relatively young. I don’t really understand this move the be honest.  Ramo is no good.  This is just a dumping of a decent prospect.  Apparently Montreal is the new farm team for Tampa

  77. Bugs says:

    Sorry, my point was: why trade for someone we KNOW hasn’t been able to hack it in the NHL? Not even 2nd position on a goaltender-less team? For a guy turning heads in the AHL and finishing with the best GAA?

    That’s my point. We KNOW Ramo, Auld, and Sanford aren’t gonna challenge le Priceberg. We KNOW that. We’ve SEEN it with our own eyes.

    But Desjardins COULD have because we HAVEN’T seen him with our own eyes in the NHL. We can’t call ANYTHING on Desjardins until we do. Someone who CAN be a solid NHL goalie is better than someone we KNOW isn’t.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says 

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  78. Kooch7800 says:

    For the record, Desjardins stole the number one job in the AHL last year and was one of the top goalies.  He was replaced only in the playoffs.

  79. andrewberkshire says:

    The idea that Ramo won’t come over is pure speculation. And Tampa wanted to sign him but he took more money in the KHL. Was Trotter no good in the AHL since he defected to the KHL? You can see how that reasoning is flawed at best.

    Anyway, Ramo’s contract runs out after this season, as does Alex Auld’s. Perhaps Montreal has acquired a long term, solid backup, more than Desjardins will ever be.

  80. Bugs says:

    I don’t know. Maybe he can’t. And maybe Halak couldn’t have challenged him either. But he did. We don’t know.

    But we DO know that Ramo can’t. That’s my point.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  81. andrewberkshire says:

    Right, only in the playoffs, because those don’t matter.

    The #1 job went back and forth last year, Desjardins won it several times because Sanford got injured, not because of outplaying him. Desjardins only played 45 games in the regular season, hardly running away with the job.

  82. shootdapuck says:

    Why not use Louis Leblanc for your comparison?

    Then EVERY single part of the concept will be identical.

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  83. RetroMikey says:

    Join the club, I attended 90% of the home games as well and believed Desjardins could step in as a backup to the newly appointed starter Price, while others who absolutley have never attended any games are stepping on Desjardins.

    I assure you Boucher robbed Gauthier in this deal and snagged a very good young goalie.

    They should have traded Sanford instead or even Auld.

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  84. RiverviewCanadien says:

    It is all speculation Andrew, but most people are missing the point, TBL wanted him and we did not get any value in return, at least right now, and who knows how Auld will do or Sanford. We have no idea who the backup will be, crap we don’t even have a #1.

    So do you have the article stating that Ramo wanted more money and TBL wanted to keep him? What do you think MTL will pay him? Chances are he will NEVER come back here for peanuts and to spend time in the AHL. I think your reasoning is flawed at best…

  85. likehoy says:

    i watched a few dogs game online last year and i thought desjardins dropped to his knees way too early and pretty much on every shot…that’s the only assessment i have and he wasn’t going to make the NHL, nor will ramo, so it’s a wash.

  86. Mark C says:

    The thing is, Cedrick isn’t that young. Cedrick is 1 year and 11 months older than Price. Also, Ramo is almost a year younger than Cedrick. Cedrick has become a fine AHL goalie, who might be an NHL back-up at some point. Cedrick’s SV % was only .003% better than Sanford’s last season, the year before Marc Denis was better by .001%.  If he can’t outplay Denis or Sanford, what’s the big deal?

  87. andrewberkshire says:

    So you KNOW Ramo isn’t a solid NHL goalie even though he’s played parts of seasons in the NHL since he was 21, and Desjardins can’t hold down the starting job in the AHL at 25? Come on Bugs, you’re grasping at non-existant straws. At the VERY most this trade doesn’t matter, and at best it’s a win for Montreal.

  88. Kooch7800 says:

    I disagree.  Are you saying he was in the All star game as a fluke? He was one of the top goalies in the A last year.  In the playoffs it wasn’t him that just stunk… They replaced him for momentum cause the team was tanking. the entire team when to the crapper unfortunately. When PK was up with the big team it didn’t help either plus injuries and returning players.

    We will have to disagree on this one.  trading for an older goalie who has never done anything makes no sense when we already have auld and Sandford

  89. Bugs says:

    Unless you can read the future, Berkie, you can’t say who can or can’t challenge who in the NHL.

    Ramo and Auld, we have seen with our own eyes in the NHL and we CAN say. (for me, especially Ramo; seen him a lot)

    As for Ramo’s “experience” and his ONE fabulous game, I would invite you to check out Jim Carey’s numbers. Also consider that however fantastical Ramo is, he was still unable to crack even 2nd place on a team that hasn’t had a goalie since Khabby. Whereas the Mtl Canadiens are RENOWNED for producing solid goalies.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  90. andrewberkshire says:

    If memory serves, after his rookie contract Ramo didn’t want to sign another 2-way deal, and Tampa did, so he bolted. Am I going to scour the internet for articles about a depth goaltender signing in the KHL? No, I’d rather enjoy my day and not waste my time.

  91. SmartDog says:

    I admit this is what’s disturbing about this deal.

    In every business the person who has the better information wins.  And Boucher has better info about our prospects and is now in Tampa telling them who is worth what.   I wonder if Gauthier has ever had a conversation with Desjarins.  Probably not. 

    ———
    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  92. RetroMikey says:

    Very nice comment RiverviewCanadien, very nice.

    Ramo a future Canadien?  A long term Bulldog ?

    Highly unlikely.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  93. likehoy says:

    in all technicalities we got a better goalie with more experience and more size for desjardins…the only drawback is that the goalie we got is playing in the KHL…

    that’s what happens when you’re dealing unproven prospects for just barely proven players.

    take the sergei kostitsyn trade for example..boyd is a barely proven grinder…while sergei has a lot of offensive potential but a lot of baggage. nashville could end up with a bomb, while we end up with a decent NHLer (and could have had dan ellis)

     

  94. JIMVINNY says:

    So how many Omsk games did you make it to last year?  None?  Oh.  So how do you know that Ramo is no good?

  95. Kooch7800 says:

    Cedrick is younger than Ramo was what I was trying to say

  96. andrewberkshire says:

    Ramo is younger than Desjardins, and has accomplished MUCH more. He has more experience as well.

  97. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desjardins couldn’t hold his spot as starter in the AHL playoffs at 25, what makes him this rising star exactly other than the fact the Bulldogs had an incredible season under Boucher and his numbers (along with Curtis Sanford’s) were 1 and 3 overall in the league for GAA? He didn’t clearly outplay Sanford or Boucher would have played him the majority of the season and kept him in nets for the playoffs. You can’t beat out Curtis Sanford for the job but all of a sudden you’re going to leap to challenge Carey Price? Please.

    You haven’t seen him in the NHL because he isn’t fit for it. His ability to play the puck is to put a kind word towards it, laughable.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  98. RetroMikey says:

    Watching online is totally different than watching it live.

    If you are going to criticize the kid, we have our starting goalie in Price who does the same thing in the NHL.

    Drop to the knees and bingo!  High glove side for the opponents.  Et le but!

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  99. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Then get off the site and stop posting (wasting your day arguing why your view is always correct) Andrew seeing how you know everything, nothing left to say? so buh-bye

  100. Kooch7800 says:

    100% agree with you.  Boucher is a good coach and a good judge of talent.  Something JM is not.

     

  101. Bugs says:

    I didn’t explain myself properly. That’s my bad.

    My point is that he COULD. We don’t know.

    We DO know Auld and Ramo won’t.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  102. likehoy says:

    why would the GM of the parent team have a conversation with the 3rd or 4th string goalie in the organization? 

    that would be the GM of the farm team that would have conversations with him…

    i wouldn’t expect a GM to have the time to talk to 29 other GMs, 25-30 players on his team and the high end prospects on his farm team and then his 3rd string long-shot goalie.

    what would talking to desjardins do anyways? ced’s going to say he wants to play in the NHL and PG is going to say well…buddy…we have 2 goalies ahead of you a plethora of free agent veteran backups out there…

  103. madcap_habsfan says:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535848&navid=DL|NHL|home..the first lines of the story describe our relationship with our beloved habs perfectly i think :)

    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  104. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Ummm, because he has bounced from the AHL to the NHL, back to the AHL, back to the NHL, now over to the KHL…could not even get a backup job in TBL…

  105. Bugs says:

    No one can see the future, Avi.

    We don’t know.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  106. andrewberkshire says:

    Bugs, I like you, but there’s clearly no way you’re going to see the light of day here. In every possible measurable level of experience Ramo is WAY ahead of Desjardins. He’s also younger.

    As for Montreal being renowned for producing solid goalies, unless you count Price, we’ve produced ONE solid goalie (Halak) since Theodore was drafted in 1994. One every 16 years isn’t exactly renowned anymore is it? You’re making a big deal out of a nothing trade.

  107. Kooch7800 says:

    Regardless I think Boucher is a smart good coach who knows more than us I am afraid

  108. JIMVINNY says:

    Ramo is YOUNGER than Desjardins.  Not older. 

  109. SeriousFan09 says:

    Mikey, remember when Cedrick Desjardins had to be yanked against Abbotsford so the Bulldogs could win the series and progress to the Conference Finals a little while ago? Yeah, he’s got winner written all over him, not being able to keep his job at 25 in the AHL playoffs. I mean I can’t believe we weren’t offered Victor Hedman and a 1st for this guy.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  110. Mark C says:

    If Ramo has another good KHL season then he comes to camp next year looking to back-up Price, not for peanuts and the AHL. This trade is all about creating space for Robert Mayer and for taking a flyer on Ramo as being a long-term back-up solution in Montreal. There is no reason to think he won’t come back to the NHL if that’s in his cards. He came to NA as a 20 y/o.

    If you don’t know how Auld or Sanford would do in the NHL, how can you feel any better about Cedrick?

  111. Bugs says:

    That’s because one is in the AHL and the other is in the NHL.

    The AHL develops for the NHL. Players there are developping.

    In the NHL, they’re supposed to be developped, maing their successes greater and their defeats worse. You know this.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  112. habs03 says:

    I see it the same way, but look for Markov-Spacek and Hamrlik to play with Subban. I think White is mostly likely a lock, If Max Pac can’t crack the 3rd line he’ll spend some time in Ham, so thats a spot for White there, and if Max Pac impress in camp, and White plays well, I think the Habs wouldn’t mind sending Darch down even if he has to go thru waivers.

  113. Mark C says:

    Cedrick was born: 9/30/85 and Ramo was born: 7/1/86.

  114. likehoy says:

    why is there actually discussion over this trade? i saw it and i was like “oh well…whatever, this doesn’t change anything…”

  115. SeriousFan09 says:

    Aaron Palushaj, who could potentially contend for a spot as well, he’s one of only a few RH shots available to make the jump and brings a pretty gritty game to it.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  116. mrhabby says:

    lol..so true..unreal.

  117. SeriousFan09 says:

    Any prospect could potentially do anything, but the chances are extremely slim we’d see Desjardins in a Habs uniform beyond injury call-up, his AHL numbers weren’t that outstanding considered the Bulldogs were the 2nd overall team in the AHL last season and praised for an outstanding defensive system.

    We don’t know what Auld and Ramo can’t or won’t do either. Ramo was rushed into NHL action before he was ready and could be notably improving his game in the KHL, especially being closer to his place of birth Finland and having better access to their well-renowned goalie coaching programs. Desjardins has a while to go before he can be a reliable NHL backup, Auld and Ramo have shown at times they can actually play in the NHL, albeit not very well but it’s more than Desjardins has ever indicated.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  118. Chuck says:

    I’d hardly worry about losing a long-term Bulldog. We’re in the job of building the Habs, not Hamilton civic pride.

    In order for Desjardins to have played as a Hab, Price, Auld and Sanford would have to be unable to play. If we’re having to go that far down the depth chart, we’re screwed.

  119. Bugs says:

    Aah, I guess you’re right, Berkie. Those are good points you make.

    Alright, I’ll let it go.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  120. mrhabby says:

    bet you a pint or two your wrong…i probably will not remember anyway.

  121. andrewberkshire says:

    Yeah I agree, that’s why he replaced Desjardins in the playoffs.

  122. Mark C says:

    Cedrick’s AHL stats as 24 y/o weren’t even all that close to Halak’s as a 21 y/o. There is a vast gap between those two goalies.

     

  123. andrewberkshire says:

    So I say you’ll never capitulate, then you do. I tell you Bugs, you never go a day without catching me off guard.

  124. SeriousFan09 says:

    A 25 year old goalie is young? But I thought it was just universally agreed Price is too old to pull the ‘young goalie’ excuse anymore and has to step up and mature and come up big when it counts, you know, like Desjardins did not do in the AHL playoffs as a 25 year old.

    Not one NHL game worth of experience and he couldn’t beat out Sanford all year for the starting job until Sanford was injured and lost it in the playoffs to Sanford, who was cold off the bench and recovering from injury when he took the job over.

    I know you love your Bulldogs Mikey but pull off the goggles now and then.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  125. RetroMikey says:

    So he was yanked in the playoffs, does that make him a bad goalie?

    Come on, get real, this deal smells like dirty underwear.

    Desjardins signed by the club at the end of July for a 1 year contract and 2 weeks later Boucher snags him.

    All star goalie whever Desjardins has played.

    Can’t say the say for Taco Ramm whatever his name is.

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  126. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Yes but he plays in the KHL so he is still a representative.

  127. likehoy says:

    how many games habs games did you watch live with price in nets?

  128. JIMVINNY says:

    He left for the KHL because it was a guaranteed contract.  Tampa wanted him to sign a two-way deal, and he politely declined.  This is in no way reflective of his ability to get the back-up job in TB.  We’ll never know, because he chose to pursue another route.

  129. Bugs says:

    So you see, I AM consistent then. 

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  130. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desjardins playing for Crosby’s team didn’t hurt when he was in the CHL’s Weak Sister QMJHL. The ECHL is a 12-team league and the Cyclones seem to be one of the more dominant forces with two Kelly Cups in the last 3 years and the Bulldogs just pulled off their best regular season in franchise history so it wasn’t like Desjardins was the standout on the team either, Sanford’s numbers closely mirror his.

    He hasn’t exactly been an All-Star lifting no-name teams on his way up the goaltending ladder.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  131. RetroMikey says:

    Why do teams like the Caps farm team in the Hershey Bears build winners where they have won the Calder Cup in 3 of the past 5 years then?

    And how do you build the Habs?  Scouting for KHL players?  Draft picks?  Development on the farm?

    As the old saying goes……

    DEVELOPMENT=SUCCESS=WINNERS

    Why did the club sign him on July 20 2010?  Why did they not release him then with other players if he did not fit in our plans?

    Auld and Sanford ahead of Desjardins on the depth chart?   What a joke.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  132. cautiousoptimist says:

    I dunno, Desjardings lit up the AHL last year, finishing with the best stats in the league.  If any AHL goalie is poised to moved into the NHL, you’ve got to think it’s him.  Ramo has promise too, and I can see why Boucher would want a goalie he already has a relationship with, but I’m just not sure what the point of the trade was from the Habs’ perspective.

    On another note, Kolzig has retired as a player, owned the Tri-City Americans and trained Price when he played there, and played with Ramo in Tampa.  Maybe the Habs are trying to lure Kolzig into an AHL job with a possibility of replacign Groulx one day soon?  After all, there isn’t a goaltending coach in Hamilton…

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  133. RetroMikey says:

    I attend 10 games every season in Montreal since 1989 and all the games in Buffalo and Toronto when the Habs play as well.

     

     

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  134. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Apparently he didn’t want to be an NHL backup at that time. Notice the option to leave the KHL after one season. http://blogs.tampabay.com/lightning/2009/06/agent-for-goaltender-karri-ramo-confirms-his-client-signed-twoyear-deal-with-avangard-omsk-.html

  135. andrewberkshire says:

    More consistent than most!

  136. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Thanks for that…so do you really think he will want to come over and play in the AHL?

  137. andrewberkshire says:

    Posting takes 5 seconds, and I can spend my day however I wish. Now if I don’t want to search the internet for articles stating what I already know to be true, I don’t think it should matter. If YOU’RE the one who doesn’t remember, and wants to know, search for it yourself. This is a hockey site, not an academic article. I don’t remember when there was a decree made that every statement has to be backed up by an article. Stop taking everything so seriously.

  138. Bugs says:

    I mentioned it to draw a parallel between him and Halak.

    Both were very solid at what they do all year. Both elevated in the playoffs. Both slowed down against Philly.

    Halak has ALWAYS been Halak. It wasn’t this ONE moment where he “finally” started playing great. No, he only played greater. He elevated.

    Like Cammalleri.

    So saying that Halak isn’t as good as he was in the playoffs is saying that Cammalleri isn’t as good as he was in the playoffs. And we know that’s not true. Cammalleri has always been Cammalleri. He elevated is all.

    Like Halak.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  139. Bugs says:

    I wouldn’t know; I don’t take myself literally.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  140. SeriousFan09 says:

    Top 5 playoff scorers for the Hershey Bears for each of the last 5 years…

    2010: Alexandre Giroux, Chris Bourque, Keith Aucoin, Andrew Gordon, Mathieu Perreault

    2009: Alexandre Giroux, Keith Aucoin, Chris Bourque, Graham Bink, Staffan Kronwall

    2008: (None in top 60, who cares)

    2007: Tomas Fleischmann (Hey! A name we’ve heard of before!), Scott Barney, Mike Green (Hey, that’s 2 so far!), Dave Steckel (Mr. 4th line in WSH) and Jakub Klepis.

    2006: Tomas Fleischmann, Kris Beech, Graham Mink, Mike Green, Dave Steckel and out of fairness, 6th was Brooks Laich.

    So for 06, 07, 09 and 10, we have 4 out of 21 players make the Capitals and none in the last 2 years who look like they’ll ever be more than AHL Journeyman or marginal NHLers (and they lost Giroux to the Oilers and Bourque to the KHL). Hershey Bears develop a few prospects for the Capitals but it is a team that succeeds because it signs the best AHL talent available.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  141. RiverviewCanadien says:

    :D

    You’re right, that took no time at all. Relax Andrew

  142. derfab says:

    Weak and you know it. Vinny is 30, 2 seasons off dominating the league on a crap team. You want 2nd line centres? Both of ours are similarly overpaid with no trade clauses to boot! I’d trade both for Vinny.

    character is derfab destiny.

  143. punkster says:

    I love you guys. In that male-sports-hug-high-five way, of course. :)

    FREE TIMO!

  144. andrewberkshire says:

    Last I checked the Canadiens eliminated the big club that’s associated with Hershey, so who gives a crap if their farm team is good.

  145. Mats Naslund says:

    Explain to me how you would keep Desjardins AND give Robert Mayer a chance to play this year with Price, Auld, and Sanford ahead on the depth chart. Instead of straight up LOSING a goalie – Gauthier was able to turn one young goaltender with promise into another – and have 5 playing this year. It doesn’t take a genius. 

     

    Mayer is 20. He was lights out in the playoffs for Cinci last year. He is FAR more valuable as a prospect than Desjardins. This type of move happens ALL THE TIME in the AHL.. but only in Montreal do people lose their %$&# when the backup AHL goalie gets dealt.

  146. light_n_tasty says:

    Since the lockout, the Habs have had just as much “success” as the Caps…

    In any event, we all know that any success the Caps do have can be attributed primarily to Ovechkin, not a good farm team.

  147. light_n_tasty says:

    Exactly.

  148. WarHero says:

    Well folks, I don’t know about you, but I like this trade. With Ramo, we get a tender who is younger, bigger(both Height & Girth) AND has NHL/KHL/AHL experience. I have to agree with SeriousFan09, I don’t think Desjardins will ever see that many NHL games.

    ————————————————————————

    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  149. Puck Bard says:

    I get Seriousfan confused with Xtrahabsfan.

  150. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    You have to be a man to man up.  JimVinny is obviously a useless twit of a boy.

  151. fbkj says:

    Theodore is half greek half spanish, not francophone

    Ribeiro is %100 portugese also not francophone

  152. Mats Naslund says:

    You’re probably missing the fact that Mayer is 20 and needs playing time at the AHL level – which he will get now that Desjardins is out of the way. This way we don’t lose him for nothing – which is the other option. We have a younger goalie in return who will not choke up the pipeline. Only in Montreal could people get this choked on losing a 25 year old AHL goalie. 

  153. Les-Habitants says:

    RDS has a good take on it, and actually got someone from the Habs to comment:

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/304501.html

     

    VP of Communications, Donald Beauchamp, says in the article that they wanted to give Desjardins the best opportunity to get a shot at the NHL, «C’est comme une faveur que nous faisons à Cédrick Desjardins” (It’s like a favor we are doing for Cedrick Desjardins) since it’ll be Sanford and Mayer who will man the Bulldogs’ net, whereas it looks like Desjardins will be the 3rd goalie in Tampa.  He then goes on to mention that once Ramo’s contract expires, they’ll have another goaltender with NHL experience which is never a bad thing…but I get the feeling this was much more about making room for Mayer then anything else, especially since we lost our ECHL franchise for the coming year

     

  154. Kooch7800 says:

    The no gauranteed contract usually says something. 

     

    I think we can all agree KR will never play with the habs.  Cedrick may see the NHL in Tampa

  155. Hoegarden says:

    Is there a direct flight between Hamilton and TB ? I wonder who’s next ! Trotter ? or ?

  156. j2w4habs25 says:

    I want VINNY

  157. Kooch7800 says:

    You are correct.  Ramo is younger by a year. Cedrick throughs me off cause he went undrafted and was picked up by the habs on a one year deal last year.

    Ramo will not play for the dogs I don’t think. He will stay in Russia, so really we are trading a goalie for nothing. 

  158. jimmy shaker says:

    Here’s our lineup for the season opener…

    Gio/Gomez/Pouliot

    Cammy/Pleks/AK46

    Lapierre/Eller/Patch

    Moen/Boyd/Pyatt  with Darche looking on from the outside…..on the D we have

    Markov/Subban (If marky is still out than O’byrne will fill in, but when Marky is back, ryan will be the 7th D)

    Gorges/Gill

    Hammer/Spacek

    Price

    Over to you guys!

    Cheers,

    Shaker

  159. j2w4habs25 says:

    Halakians and Priceians – lets not go to far with this goalie trade lol

    Desjardins for Ramo lol…

  160. SeriousFan09 says:

    With his butt-ugly contract and declining stats? No thanks. If you have a time machine that can grab him from before his multiple shoulder surgeries and signing a contract that pays 7.7 a year until he’s 40, let me know and than I’ll be more interested.

    In response to the original question, Canadiens still own Trotter’s pro rights in NA so that would take another trade to occur.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  161. SeriousFan09 says:

    More or less how I’d see the lineup, but I’m thinking Ryan White might edge his way onto the roster and I think the scoring potential of the Pleks line would push them to the forefront.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  162. Mike Boone says:

    The ethnic cleansing continues apace. Réjean Tremblay will love this.

  163. JIMVINNY says:

    If this trade has proven anything, it’s that Bugsy gets VERY upset if a french asset (player, coach, manager) leaves the organization.  Either that, or it’s a very convenient coincidence that all his favorites are francophone.

  164. JIMVINNY says:

    He’s ba-ack….  How was the holiday?

  165. forskis says:

    Halakians vs. Pricers vs. Desjardinians vs. Ramoans…A FATAL FOUR-WAY…GO!

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  166. jimmy shaker says:

    Isn’t Darche on a one way contract now, if I’m not mistaken?  If he wasn’t on a oneway, white or trotter would have a very realistic shot, even shultz on a longshot.  I also think this has to be the year Patch makes an impact or he is going to get stuck in the minors or traded.  I hope and exect big things from him from camp right on through to the season opener!

    Shaker

  167. Les-Habitants says:

    Didn’t Trotter defect to the KHL??

  168. jimmy shaker says:

    Yes, you’re right!  I was thinking of the guy we got for D’ags.  I don’t even want to try and spell his name.  All I know is that it starts with a P like Pulaijse or something!

    Shaker

  169. pmaraw says:

    and we’re all entitled to our own favourites

  170. nunacanadien says:

    Great, the Halak-Price controversy continues.  Another season of watching Price struggle while some backup goalie starts each game, all year…….

  171. Propwash says:

    Meh…..

    Suivant next.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  172. smiler2729 says:

    I can’t believe there’s an uproar over this trade… it’s a nothing trade of minor leaguers. You people severely overate players just cuz they’re Habs or Baby Habs.

  173. Clay4bc says:

    Quote from you re: Bugs: “all his favorites are francophone“.

    If you had bothered to read any of Bugs’ posts, you would know that Halak was one of his very favourite players. Since when was Halak a Francophone?

    As per usual, you’re talking out of your backside.

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  174. nunacanadien says:

    Maybe this is our next Halak.  After all Halak was modest, we didn’t notice him until well into Price’s injury and the meltdown under Gainey/Carbo.  Let’s give the kid a chance, maybe when Price shows he is still not ready yet another year, like some rich kid going to university for life, maybe Price will never graduate from the university of life as they say, maybe we need this Russian goalie to save our butts and get us squeaked into the 8th final spot like Halak.

  175. derfab says:

    Good trade. Ramo is a more serious candidate to keep Price awake. But I can’t help feeling a little sick over Boucher’s poaching. It just reminds me that Quebec talent and the Montreal fan base is foundational to several of these outpost teams (like Pittsburg and Tampa) at any given time. We should pull the plug.

    character is derfab destiny.

  176. Habs Proud says:

    Good point made a little while ago Ian, about there being more to this deal than just swapping minor league tenders. Why do the Habs seem to be all warm and fuzzy with the guys in Tampa Bay, one would think that they would be a little hesitant to help Yzerman and company after they have cherry picked the Habs of late but who know maybe these little side deals are down payments on something bigger…..perhaps Vinny (personally I hope not) or St Louis or …………..

  177. SeriousFan09 says:

    Karri Ramo is Finnish for one thing, not sure why people think Karri Ramo is a Russian name?

    This was making room for Robert Mayer to move up from the ECHL, four years younger than Desjardins and an ECHL Playoff Co-MVP when he stepped in to bring his team back from a 3-0 series deficit and would win 8 of 9GP on the road to their Kelly Cup win. If he can start in the AHL at 21, he’s on a better road than Desjardins and the organization felt he had more upside.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  178. nunacanadien says:

    At least Halak showed he had it here, he earned our respect by winning.

  179. Clay4bc says:

    Do I detect some pot-stirring here? :)

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  180. nunacanadien says:

    Replace Price’s name as the goalie with this no name Russian Goalie’s, Rama is his name, as I don’t think Auld showed he has what’s required, just a different version of Price letting in floaters over his right shoulder as opposed to Price’s left shoulder floaters…..once the other teams figure out Auld, we’ll call up Rama.  After all Rama did pretty good in the KHL.

  181. The Teacher says:

    PLEASE STOP WITH THE VINNY RUMOURS

     

     

     

    PLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  182. The Teacher says:

    Detect?

     

    lol, You have met the stir stick just now :P

  183. HardHabits says:

    I confuse infra-red with ultra-violet all the time too.

  184. nunacanadien says:

    That makes way too much sense, who knows maybe that’s part of the contract talks? Anything to make Price win, anything to see Price become the star he was the first few games of his career where we all were amazed with his skill, but the injuries and the coaching and management destroyed Price.  If Kolzig can save Price and make the Habs a dynasty again, heck let’s overpay the kid, give him what he wants.  Oh wait, didn’t we do that already a couple of years back?  Blew up the team for him?

  185. pic1983 says:

    I dont get it either…The guy is big time on the decline, and his cap hit is going to really hurt for the next 10 years.

    I dont even think I would trade Gomez for Vinny straight up at this point, taking into consideration the duration of their contracts and the cap hit of course. 

  186. doug19 says:

    This trade suggests to me the Carey Price negotiations are not going well and he could be moved within the year. This trade defininitly puts some pressure on Carey’s short term agreement ploy. I believe If Carey cannot be signed for 5 years he will be gone within the year.There was no way Desjardins could become a Halak overnight, even Halak was not an overnight hot goalie.Even after hot comes cold ala Tim Thomas.HMMM I wonder if Habs had any offers for Carey? Well if he is hot with a one or two year contract Habs may get offers.

    I like Carey and hope he is a Hab for the next 5,10 years but the contract negoatiations now smell. You would think he would be happy and jump at the opportunity he has with a team who has backed him so strongly. I guess we don’t know who is in play here and how much say Carey has.Was his roping experience a sign? Do the habs even have a roping coach?Is this all just rope a dope? (ala Ali the boxer)

  187. derfab says:

    Congrats and Props to Guy for winning his appeal. I hope some a-hole’s head rolls over it.

    character is derfab destiny.

  188. pic1983 says:

    What i think is more baffling than any debate, is the fact that halak supporters are content with us squeaking into the playoffs on the back of a goaltender whos playing out of his mind. 

    I want us to make the playoffs like we did three seasons ago, because we are a good team, and we score goals.  Not because some goalie comes out of nowhere and puts up numbers that can by no means be expected, nor sustainable.  Halak proved in the philly series that a goalie can only stay hot for so long.  Eventually the team has to win the old-fashioned way, by scoring more goals than the opposition

     

  189. The Teacher says:

    Hell no I wouldn’t trade Gomez for Vinny straight up right now, HELL NO!

  190. The Teacher says:

    Go respect him in St. Louis then, PUNK.

  191. derfab says:

    I’ve said all along, this was a mistake. The kid doesn’t want to play here, never did. Habs should sign him to a generous deal and move him at the right time. character is derfab destiny.

  192. The Teacher says:

    Granted, however, name one francophone player Bugs DOES NOT like, besides those who shunned our team on their own?

  193. forskis says:

    Last time I checked, Price’s first 18 months in the NHL showed that he had it, he was winning and the last 18 months was all Halak, so does that mean Price’s first 18 months mean nothing and only Halak’s last 18 months mean something?  That’s like saying a dollar from Boone is worth more than a dollar from Stubbs.  If so, if any of the other Habs players have a bad 2010-2011 we should get rid of them because what they were capable of in 2009-2010 means nothing and all players should be signed to 1-year contracts with team options.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  194. JIMVINNY says:

    That was an “either” to my main point.  Learn how to read.

  195. ProHabs says:

    Price for Stamkos.

    By the way, did anyone see Mike Komisarek talking on TSN about the Leafs keeping Kaberle. Did Komi accidently run into Lucic this summer, he has a bunch of stitches running down his chin.

  196. SeriousFan09 says:

    I guess Bobby Ryan, Marc Staal, James Neal, Peter Mueller, Sam Gagner, Chris Stewart, Patric Hornqvist, Nicklas Bergfors and Steve Downie are all planning to jump ship as soon as possible as well since they still haven’t signed new contracts as RFAs.

    Plenty of big name RFAs aren’t signed, this is just RFAs with agents trying to squeeze out whatever little they can for the players from limited bargaining position.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  197. ProHabs says:

    Are you saying Price is the Eric Lindros of western Canada.

  198. derfab says:

    If the concussion gods favour him, Vinny could very well have a major comeback as one of the league’s very best forwards, making any comparisons to a ‘B’ level player like Gomez redundant.

    year character is derfab destiny.

  199. JIMVINNY says:

    Why should someone’s head roll?  He lied in court, and got caught.  There was no question about that.

  200. ZepFan2 says:

    That’s understandable.

    They are after all the yin and yang of HI/O.

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    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  201. adam76 says:

    So can Romo play next season, or is he trapped in the KHL till 2011?

     

    I really don;t see the logic in this trade.  

  202. derfab says:

    Sort of. If Price had that kind of talent, the comparison wouldn’t be so strange.

    I’m saying he was a wasted first-round pick that the Habs have been desperately trying to defend and manage ever since.

    That he is not signed is paramount proof that the relationship is rotten.

    They should carefully get rid of him to a market that needs the local-boy image boost.

    character is derfab destiny.

  203. G-Man says:

    Lecavalier is done as far as being an impact player or star in this league. How many sub-par (for his salary) seasons do people have to see before they realize this? 10 years ago, sure. Now? No thanks.

  204. Bugs says:

    Hell, no. He’s been starting quarterback in Dallas for at least three years.

    No way he’s going to the KHL.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  205. WarHero says:

    As per SeriousFan09 (and I completely agree): “This was making room for Robert Mayer to move up from the ECHL, four years younger than Desjardins and an ECHL Playoff Co-MVP when he stepped in to bring his team back from a 3-0 series deficit and would win 8 of 9GP on the road to their Kelly Cup win. If he can start in the AHL at 21, he’s on a better road than Desjardins and the organization felt he had more upside.”

    ————————————————————————

    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  206. Bugs says:

    He’s probably talkin about Boucher.

    In which case, I would agree.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  207. Bugs says:

    Halak has always been Halak.

    From the second he suited up for us.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  208. derfab says:

    There was debate over that, which he was deservedly called on to explain,  but in an entirely grotesque and inappropriate manner. Someone downtown wanted to embarass him out of spite and had him arrested in front of the media when they could have simply told him to come in for questions. Unacceptable. I hope he nails the guy that made the call on having him put into a squad car with the cameras rolling.

    character is derfab destiny.

  209. Bugs says:

    Ramo is NOT a “more serious candidate to keep Price awake”; Desjardins was.

    That’s why he was traded.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  210. Bugs says:

    And uhhh, PRICE scores more goals, is that it?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  211. Mr.Hazard says:

    Boucher ain’t poaching, he’s trading! Gauthier is letting’em go!

    “We didn’t give up and we are not giving up.” – Jaroslav Halak

  212. Shiloh says:

    Agree with you completely. Still shocked about Halak.

  213. JIMVINNY says:

    The most inappropriate part about it is the fact that a role model and folk hero like that would put himself in such a position.  The situation was entirely of his own making, and he deserves no sympathy whatsoever.

  214. SmartDog says:

    It’s interesting that Price, Ramos, and Auld are all very big goalies.  There might be a bias to getting in goalies who play a similar style, or whose style is compatible with Price so they are more able to support and teach him. 

    Regardless I think this is a decent, and maybe very good trade.  Desjardins by all accounts is good but not about to become fantastic.  Ramos has similar potential but is much younger so could actually fill our depth needs further down the road, especially since we don’t have a lot of NHL level goaltending prospects in our system now. 

    ———
    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  215. Bugs says:

    Is that what THIS trade “proves”?

    Do you come to all your conclusions after ONE incident?

    Tell me, who are my favourites, Jimmy? You who has proof. Tell me.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  216. naweed235 says:

    i wouldnt call 1 year difference “much younger”…

  217. Bugs says:

    Jose Theodore. Mike Ribeiro. Ranted against them MANY times. That’s two.

    Right off the bat, I’ve doubled your quota and dashed your point that paints me as prejudiced.

    Sorry, Teach.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  218. 123456 says:

    And where did that get Dallas??

    secret mod

  219. JIMVINNY says:

    That he is not signed means nothing.  Just as it means nothing that several other big-name RFA’s are not signed.  All you are doing at this point is making yourself look like a drama queen.  There is no drama here whatsoever.  Just a normal contract negotiation that is taking the allotted time.

  220. SmartDog says:

    I thought Desjardins was older. 

    Dang – my mistake.

    ———
    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  221. Bugs says:

    Jim Carey has NHL experience too. More than Ramo. Maybe we coulda gotten him.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  222. Clay4bc says:

    My stirring detector is on the fritz…just looking for confirmation!

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  223. JIMVINNY says:

    that may be true, but he’s a year younger with a ton more applicable experience.  I don’t think Desjardins will ever be a regular NHL goalie, but Ramo has a chance at being a good back-up.

  224. Mats Naslund says:

    People are being very silly about this trade. Its not that complicated:

     

    Desjardins wasn’t going to have a spot with the Bulldogs thanks to Curtis Sandford and Robert Mayer (who is 20 and had great #’s in the ECHL last year) being the planned netminders. He wasn’t going to play in the NHL because Price and Auld will be the goalies with the Habs. Desjardins was traded to give him an opportunity in another place where he won’t be #5 on the depth chart. He has potential – and as a 25 year old player its only fair to let him try elsewhere. Ramo is under contract in the KHL where he’ll get another year of high-level pro experience. Once his contract is finished he’ll be under Habs control. He is young enough that he could still figure into plans down the road as a backup. Its a win-win situation for literally all involved.

     

    I love the immediate freakout conclusion jumping whenever things like this happen. Price will be under contract when play begins. He is no different than the myriad of other RFAs who remain unsigned which is their ONLY bargaining chip. This is not about Price. This was about giving a guy a shot before he gets too old to get a look. It allows the Habs to have 5 goalies getting experience, and to move others up the chain in the ECHL. Step back from the ledge Habs fans – its OK. You didn’t lose your backup AHL goalie for nothing.

  225. Bugs says:

    Systematically one game further than the year before.

    Sooner or later…

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  226. derfab says:

    Until Tampa cleaned house and guys like Cooke started to take cheap shots at him, he was the best player in the league. Still, in the last 4 years he has 327 points, blowing away anyone who has played centre on the Habs.

    character is derfab destiny.

  227. JIMVINNY says:

    But he didn’t always play like he did during the two playoff series that we won.  In fact, he never played like that before them (for more than a game or two), and he didn’t play like that in the Philly series. 

  228. JIMVINNY says:

    Everytime a french player or coach leaves, you get upset.  Lats, Boucher, and now Desjardins.  You freaked out about all of them. How “ONE incident” encompasses these 3 occurrences is beyond me, but whatever floats your boat. 

     

    And really, who taught you guys how to read?  I stated my position, and then too emphasize that position, I posted a sarcastic qualifier to show that in relation to the second statement, the first one makes a lot more sense, thereby showing I don’t believe the second statement to be true.  Capiche?

  229. Bugs says:

    Ohhh, it was to give Desjardins a shot at the NHL, ohhh. Well, aren’t we nice.

    I mean, that’s what this is all about, right? Giving players shots ELSEWHERE, right?

    Hey, where can we unload Kristo for free? Not like he’s can crack the lineup soon with all these paid positions on our club, right? So where can we give HIM away?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  230. Bugs says:

    He always played like that.

    But he ELEVATED for the playoffs. Like Cammalleri.

    Who also went “patate” against Philly, sooo…

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  231. derfab says:

    Because he plays here, Price is not an ordinary rfa player. You do not mess with the front office here and come out on top. For whatever reasons (I suspect he wants out) he is not handling this well. If and when he signs, this is his last contract in Montreal.

     character is derfab destiny.

  232. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Am I missing something? What was so great about Mayer’s 0.889 ECHL average compared to Desjardin’s 0.919 AHL?  There’s no way that Desjardins wasn’t going to have a spot with the Bulldogs this year. Remember that he played slightly more than Sandord last year. Desjardins was #3 on the depth chart not #5.

  233. Clay4bc says:

    Your point was clear. Man up, Jim or Vinny, or whatever you call yourself.

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  234. JIMVINNY says:

    Ha.  That’s rich.  Kristo is head and shoulders above Desjardins in terms of potential.  Comparing them is a farce.

  235. pic1983 says:

    He “could” come back.  However, for $7.7 Million cap hit over a long-term deal with a no-trade clause, “could comeback” is not exactly what I am looking for. 

  236. HabsTrueBlue says:

    I doubt it.

  237. HabsTrueBlue says:

    Agreed!

  238. Bugs says:

    Total fabrication.

    Wasn’t upset about Tendre Guidoune; got my boy Poolio in return. Was thrilled. Ask around.

    Didn’t say squat about Boucher. Jack Marty got us to the Conference Final. Ask around.

    That leaves ONE occurrence again.

    So you’re lying, Jimmy. And you got nuthin on me.

    Ask around.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  239. andrewberkshire says:

    Ramo is a better depth goaltender than Desjardins, no question about that. Might even challenge Auld in camp. Mostly insignificant but certainly a positive move.

  240. Mike Boone says:

    Not back. Two more weeks of vacay … and lovin’ every minute of it.

  241. Curtoph says:

    He was saying that there are others that are more important than Cedric. Can’t clog up the goalie assembly line with AHL talent. Goalies and forwards are completely different from one another. Kristo isn’t even under contract yet, Cedric was, a better comparison would be getting rid of someone FOR Kristo to come up. Jeeze!

  242. pic1983 says:

    yes bugs, I have price pencilled in for 30 goals this year…if they remove the trapezoid, look out!

  243. JIMVINNY says:

    Whatever, Bugs.  In my universe, a player elevating their play for a short period of time does not make them THAT good forever.  If that were the case, Boucher’s shutout streak would make him the best goalie of all time.  And Sittler’s 10 point game doesn’t make him better than Gretzky.

  244. JIMVINNY says:

    The assumptions you are making are ridiculous.  There is no evidence to support any of your claims, and I hope you’ll admit your error if you’re proven wrong.

  245. Bugs says:

    “Depth”? You mean “better”, right?

    No, Ramo’s not better.

    And if we traded Cedrick so that we can have someone “challenge” our num2 instead of keeping Cedrick to challenge our num1, then we’re dealing in beads, Berkie.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  246. adam76 says:

    Desardan was young with quality numbers and success.  You are giving a known asset for a guy locked into the KHL for another season.

     

    If only Desjardins was 6 foot 4.  Height seems to be the only thing that matters to the organization:)

  247. Bryan says:

    Ramo’s going back to the KHL this year to finish the 2nd year of his 2 year contract.

    _______________________________

    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  248. JIMVINNY says:

    Clearly, it wasn’t.  Not to you, Clay or 4 or bc, or whatever you call yourself.

    (not really all that clever or funny, is it?  Wasn’t when you did it, either.)

  249. SeriousFan09 says:

    And the winger that drove his best offensive years (St Louis) is now driving the production of Stamkos instead.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  250. madcap_habsfan says:

    so i was listening to ckoi(radio) about and hour ago and the radio guy made an interesting comment on the Desjardins trade( he was confused like most of you here are) and he threw this little gem of specualtion in..could they be thinking of moving the lightning to quebec city? obviously this is just what the radio guy thinks but i thought i’d throw it out here and see what you all think

    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  251. andrewberkshire says:

    That’s fine with me, Mayer gets his chance in the AHL and Ramo can come over next year as backup when Auld’s contract is over.

  252. Bugs says:

    What goalies are more important than Cedrick? What non-AHLers have more to give than our GAA-leading Bulldog gave?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  253. adam76 says:

    “no question about it”

     

    I think there are a few questions to be reviewed.

  254. JIMVINNY says:

    The only number one Cedric would have challenged for was the Hamilton spot.  You know, the one he lost last year. 

     

    Funny that Price takes a ton of heat for losing the number one spot to Halak, but you don’t say boo about Desjardins blowing his chance.

  255. Bugs says:

    (sigh)

    Yes. That’s what I’m doing, Jimmy. I’m comparing Desjardins to Kristo.

    You see, when a parallel is drawn between two situational concepts, it means that every single part of those concepts are exactly identical. That’s what that means, Jimmy.

    Yes.

    You got me.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  256. avatar_58 says:

    I liked Desjardins Bugs but only a blind bat would suggest he had any chance of challenging our #1. Anyone who followed the bulldogs can tell you that. He was just too raw, he needs a lot of work before he is NHL ready.

    I’m just annoyed they decided to give up on a promising guy instead of working with him.

  257. Bugs says:

    Like Cammalleri, you mean?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  258. shootdapuck says:

    It’s about management integrity, Gauthier keeping an agreements made previously to a player who wants and believes he is due an NHL job to find him an appropriate situation.

    Can that be said for sure NO! but after Donald Beauchamps’ comments yesterday it would appear more likely than the contrary.

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  259. JIMVINNY says:

    Unlike some members, the “IMO” is taken for granted on Berkie’s posts.  At least, that’s always been my interpretation.

  260. SeriousFan09 says:

    Cedrick Desjardins is 25, his stats were not that far ahead of Curtis Sanford’s (2.00 to 2.13 GAA and .919 to .916 Save %) and was 4th on the goaltending depth chart until this trade. He was challenging Sanford to be No. 1 in Hamilton and wasn’t doing that great job at it especially when he flopped as a 25 year old in the AHL playoffs compared to Price dominating as a 19 year old, I mean sure he was right on track to challenge Carey Price at the rate he was progressing as a goaltender. Not sure what you think Desjardins had to offer but at 25 and getting pulled in the minors makes him a threat to Carey Price than I’d say David Desharnais is a threat to Brian Gionta.

     

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  261. avatar_58 says:

    Don’t worry Bugs I agree – I’m *tired* of helping other clubs. When they draft these guys isn’t it because they feel they can make the club some day? I’m not really sure how this changed given MTL’s goaltending holes. Auld is a temp backup and somehow I doubt they’ll give Price the long leash he needs. We need all the potential future goalies we can get.

    Also eff tampa for stealing everything.

  262. Bugs says:

    If our goalie finishes with a minus rating though, those 30 goals won’t matter, I’m sure you agree.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  263. JIMVINNY says:

    See what happens when someone takes everything you say literally?  Kinda frustrating, isn’t it?

  264. saskhabfan says:

    Careful chuck,retromikey doesn’t like to have a good,level headed hockey debate and when he loses (which happens all the time) he resorts to calling people “gay stalkers”.

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  265. HabsTrueBlue says:

    No but the Habs might be joining the KHL next year. When an organization is making a major move like going to a new country it’s very important to have a representative from that country as your 3rd or 4th string goaltender!

  266. andrewberkshire says:

    Bugs, I’m not sure where the legend of Cedrick Desjardins started on this website, but he was never in his life going to challenge Carey Price. He was probably never going to challenge Alex Auld. He’s not some young gun who’s going to break into the NHL soon, he’s 25 and improving by extremely small amounts from year to year. His numbers looked great this year because Hamilton was an amazing team.

    Ramo on the other hand has much more pro experience in his favour, including 48 games in the NHL that Desjardins will be lucky to equal in his entire career. On an unbelievably terrible club Ramo put up some good numbers for a young kid. And I’m sure everyone remembers how good he can be from seeing him play in this game.

  267. saskhabfan says:

    Wonder how much time ovechkin,semin and backstrom spent developing in the great hershey system? Um…….none. Their teams success is solely based on being a lottery team at the right time,not because of a good farm system.

     

     

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  268. avatar_58 says:

    Desjardins is not from Quebec

  269. Mark C says:

    Bugs, how was Cedrick going to challenge Price? It’s an honest question, for the life of me I cannot understand how this is even possible.

  270. Psycho29 says:

    Too bad Ramo isn’t Russian…

  271. SeriousFan09 says:

    Carey Price is a washed-up drunk at 23 but Desjardins, having trouble cracking #1 in Hamlton at 25 makes him a young, rising prospect? Price accomplished more by 20 than Desjardins has at 25.

    Sanford: 2.13 GAA, .916 save %

    Desjardins: 2.00 GAA, .919 save %

    Bulldogs Defence and the Guy Boucher coaching system seems to have made both goalies look pretty good I’d asy. Robert Mayer is coming in 4 years younger with Co-MVP honours from the ECHL Playoffs and a rising profile, he could easily surpass Desjardins with one solid year.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  272. G-Man says:

    The last 2 seasons, 67 and 70 pts. He is past due. His prime came and went. Vinny may be a helpful #2 center, but at $10mil/season? forget it!

  273. Ian Cobb says:

    I posted this in June.  Madcap!

    Boucher Might End Up Coaching Quebec City In The NHL

    posted by Ian Cobb at 10h15 EST on Jun 8

    Watch Out for when the Lightning moves with Lecavalleir, St. Louis etc. to Quebec City in a year or two!!!!

    I
    attended a couple of games in Tampa this year, and believe me, if there
    were not any tourist fans at the games, the place would have been
    empty. This is the first franchise in the south to move north, unless
    Phoenix gets to Winnipeg first.

    So Boucher and his staff will be a big part of the Habs & Quebec City revived hockey wars soon enough.

    Remember Betman has already said publicly that Winnipeg and Quebec is where any transfer would take place first.

     

     

    Remember, you heard it here first!

     

  274. likehoy says:

    you’ve said some ridiculous things, but desjardins challenging for the number 1? this tops it all…losing your marbles aren’t you now bugs?

  275. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So if Ramo is better and more experienced, why would TBL want Desjardins over Ramo? Why couldn’t the Habs traded Sanford instead? Would it have mattered who it was?

    If Ramo was so good, why did he bounce from the AHL to NHL to the AHL to the KHL?

  276. JIMVINNY says:

    How did Cammalleri get brought into this?  Did I unknowingly mention somewhere that I think Cammy is the most prolific scorer in the game, just because he led the playoffs in goal-scoring?  I don’t think I did.  Cammalleri is a talented goal scorer who might pot 40 if he stays healthy for an entire year.  That’s all.  What did I say to make you think I feel differently?

  277. likehoy says:

    stevie Y said they needed desjardins in their farm system to put competition there…ramo’s playing in the KHL, which doesn’t help their AHL farm.

    sanford has 0 trade value at 31 and in the AHL.

    you’re not exactly bounced from the AHL to the KHL…the KHL is probably the number 2 league in the world…it was a matter of choice and probably money to go to to the KHL, where it seems like ramo might be staying.

  278. andrewberkshire says:

    When has Desjardins played in the NHL? When has Desjardins put up solid numbers in the KHL? When has Desjardins finished an AHL season as the #1 goalie ffs? He was a longshot when we signed him, and he was never going to make the NHL. Ramo on the other hand HAS made the NHL.

  279. Mark C says:

    “We are happy to be able to add Cedrick to the Lightning today. With his American Hockey League experience, he will provide excellent goaltending depth for the organization, allowing us to be patient while Dustin Tokarski and Jaroslav Janus further mature and develop.”

    TB wants the depth for this season. I would guess Guy likes Desjardins more than Sanford, also Montreal may have wanted to keep Sanford as he has NHL experiance (more than 100 NHL games), in case of a call-up.

    Ramo went to the KHL for playing time and money.

  280. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desjardins is a known quantity to Boucher and the Tampa Bay organization has been purged of everyone who ever thought much of Ramo I guess, he never lived up to expectations that were dropped on him when he was too young (playing at Price’s age in the NHL but lacking the talent Price had) and lost confidence while playing on a bad team with terrible coaching. He went to the KHL to try and get it going again and posted pretty good numbers there, another year and he could be a solid backup option in MTL and I’d say another year for Desjardins might have had him as the starting man in Hamilton.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  281. redgorf says:

    to the CH fans. When it comes to goalies, if he’s not great he’s not great he’s nothing .I think that’s because of the past names such as, VACHON, PLANTE. DRYDEN, ROY,etc… if i have the choice between two good goalies  an import and a home product give me home. go PRICE go.

  282. yathehabsrule says:

    Scouting reports don’t always get it right.

    Scouts also thought some 17-year-old kid from Brantford, ON was too slow and too small to take the pounding in the pros back in the late ’70s. I think he did OK.

    Not to say Desjardins will win the Vezina one day, but obviously the Lightning (with an iside track from Boucher) feel he will fit in.

    Habs traded him at the right time, coming off his best season. What they got back immediately (Ramo) is inconsequential to what Price will do long term with nobody to pressure him.

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  283. SnowManHabs85 says:

    They say Desjardins is a great goalie, but scouting reports say to
    differently. This doesn’t affect our Habs this season any other way.
    Price will be our starter for seasons to come. There is a reason GM’s
    follow scouting reports.

  284. habs4eternity says:

    Price will only be here until xmas, then he’s gone.

  285. observer says:

    if that indeed would happen by then, gauthier will be going out the door with him.

  286. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Price is Santa?

  287. christophor says:

    This made me laugh so so much. Thanks for that.

    I’m thinking instead of milk and cookies, some here will leave him a glass of scotch and a pack of cigarettes.

  288. SnowManHabs85 says:

    No problem.

    Why cigarettes? Why not cigars? But he ain’t getting my Alexander Keiths.

  289. K-hab25 says:

    Jesus Price?

  290. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Dude (or dudette), that is NOT my opinion, man you ‘guys’ really need to re-read posts before you get all defensive. Just because a comment is made and it is not a reflection of the awesomeness of Carey, does not mean people are wackos.

    You are correct though, I am of the people that hated the Halak trade, do I hate this trade, no, I really could care less, but do I think it might have made the team a little weaker at depth in the nets? Habsolutely!

    GO HABS GO!

  291. Bill J says:

    Dude – seems fairly obvious, and K-Hab has not hidden his message at all.

    He has said repeatedly, he disagrees with you on Halak.

    He is only showing you why he disagrees .

    He is making valid points, stop being so defensive.

  292. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I am not the one being defensive, and like I said Carey has a good resume, just work with that. If that is not enough on its own to make yourself believe he is good…then you have your answer. if you ALWAYS need to muddy the water with a negative on Halak to make Price look better…you get the point.

    thanks for the comment though Billy Bob

  293. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Nope never thought in a second Desjardins could steal it from Price. Somebody else’s OPINION!

    You should realize by now that some people don’t think the same as you and are madly in love with Price. But seriously get over it…IF he signs, lets just hope he can pull it together.

  294. K-hab25 says:

    Never said it was your opinion. You stated that the people who hated the Halak trade, also hated this trade aswell. I said the same thing earlier in the day. You also made it quite clear you are one of those people that hated both. I clearly liked both. I think we kept/got the more talented, younger guy in both circumstances. You clearly don’t, which is perfectly ok with me. Then you go on to lend credibility to the conspiracy theory that the team made these trades to appease Price and make sure no one can steal his job. A little paranoid are we. Look River I thought you and I were past this crap. My opinion is different than yours regarding who’s better, so that makes me “in love with Price.” I don’t say that stuff about you, I could, but I don’t. Just because you like Halak and defend him, doesn’t mean you’re in love with him. Maybe you could show me the same respect.

  295. K-hab25 says:

    I just don’t get you. We were having a good conversation about the trades, why you hated them and why I liked them. We both felt Price needed to be more consistent and not dwell on his mistakes. I felt he could do that, you have your doubts. That’s fine with me, you’re entitled to your opinion. Then I said I liked the trade, because I’m not sure that Halak can maintain last years consistency. He wasn’t consistent his first 2 years, thats not hating on the guy, or trying to make Price look good. He’s always been a streaky goalie, till last year. To be “FAIR” to him, I stated it could’ve been the inconsistent playing time or just his age, 21/23. I don’t get how my honest opinion of Halaks play, is interpeted by you as a way to make Price look good. It’s not. These were my observations of his play from 06/07 till DEC of the 09/10 season. Just like you, I’m entitled to my opinion of both goaltenders and like you, my opinion of one goaltender has nothing to do with the other. I think they are both mid pack #1’s. Meaning I think they are both in that 11 to 15 area, with Halak ahead of Price, by a little. I feel they both will be top 10 goaltenders and perrenial all-stars. These are my HONEST opinions of both. Just because I said I worry that Halak might take a step back, or that he’s struggled with consistency , like every young goalie, doesn’t mean I don’t think he ‘s going to be a good one and it definitely isn’t an attempt to make Price look good.

  296. K-hab25 says:

    No, but thinking the team sabotages itself, for Prices benefit, is whacko. I love how I’ve never ever refered to Price as top 10 or elite, but I’m in love with him and think he’s awesome. Yet people claim that Halak is top 10 or an elite goaltender, with out you saying there in love with him and his awesomeness. Why is that? I’ve said many times they’re alot more equal at this point in there careers, than either side will admit. You have your doubts Price will grow and be consistent and you think Halak will continue his second half play. Thats fine with me and sounds logical. I on the other hand think Price will grow and become more consistent and its Halak that I have my doubts about, maintaining the second half of last years play. Is that illogical? I’m a dude by the way. :-)

  297. RiverviewCanadien says:

    OK the Price-Love was harsh, I apologize, Price-man-crush better? (kiddin…seriously kiddin’).

    Yes I have doubts about Price, I have doubts about alot of players, but IMO Halak has been good ever since he played in the NHL…always a winning record and is entering his prime. He got ample starts this year (for the first time), played for his country in the Olymipcs, and had tremendous successful in the playoffs. His resume speaks for itself.

    I never speak bad about Carey (not like alot of the crap that is posted here about the drinking or anything, none of our business what the kid does off the ice), I just hope this year, he really breaks out of his shell and proves me wrong, that he can be consistent. I have seen him play INCREDIBLE games at the bell when it counts, I just hope he can build on his own success and not let his failures (which will come), affect his play. What I liked about Jaro was when he had a bad game, one thing that always stuck with me about a comment he made, his grandfather (I think) told him to not dwell on it, just think about it until midnight and forget about it, tomorrow is another day. Jaro could do that, he had a game last year when he was not playing very well, but he said he told himself after the 3rd goal to not let in anymore, and he didn’t. I loved his poise and his confidence. I really think he will be a great goalie in the future. Price is good, but mentally I don’t think he was near Halak the last few seasons (remember the crying in the dresssing room). I hope he comes into this year, mature and ready to shut the pundants up and display the poise he has on many occassions, just more consistently. If he does that, we don’t have to worry about the goaltending EVER again!

    GO HABS GO!

  298. K-hab25 says:

    When it comes to Price, I think our opinions of him are pretty similar, he needs to be more consistent and stop dwelling on his failures. We both seem to believe he’s got the ability, he just has to get better with those 2 issues. Halak on the other hand, we’re a little bit further apart. I remember doing a post in DEC that showed how inconsistent Halak had been in his career to that date. He was very up and down his first 2 years. I mean even this season he had more games of 4+ GA than Price and was pulled the same amount times. He really put it together from mid DEC on and played more consistently than he ever has. Maybe it was consistent playing time, maybe it was just the maturity that comes with age. Most goaltenders really start hitting there stride around 24/25, atleast all the ones I’ve researched. Either way if he stays consistent, the talent is definitely there for Halak to be a perrenial all-star. If Price can reach the level of consistency he had his first year and half (40-16-9), he’ll be one aswell. Like you my friend I’m exited to find out. GO HABS GO!!

  299. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Halak having more games with 4+ GA this year??? please when it comes to Carey it is the goal support and the team not playing well enough for him to win, so why can’t the same excuse be for Halak. Go check out Halak’s stats from EVERY year he played with the Habs (even the terrible 08/09 team, always a winning season).

    If we are playing that game, how many SO did Carey have last year? How many career SO does Carey have? He has played more NHL games, and with a strong 07/08 team I remind you, and still has not matched what Halak did in just one year with a depleted team.

    Halak posted a .924SV% last year, Price has never hit that high, and the only time he came close was when he played behind the BEST regular season team in the east…

     That is what irks me to no end, people have to put down Halak to make Price look better…why is that?

  300. K-hab25 says:

    I said in my post that consistency is a problem with Price, you have no problem with that. I said Halak before the middle of DEC this past season has been inconsistent, which is fact and you jump on me, stating it’s just to make Price look good. Why is everything about Price with you guys? It’s like you guys are obsessed. I didn’t say anything any worse about Halak, than I did Price. As a matter of fact, I gave excuses for his lack of consistency, like age and playing regularity. Then I even said if he keeps that consistency he had last year, he’ll be a perrenial all-star. Still you flip out that I mentioned he still has the occasional awful game, even when he’s playing well. Will it make you feel better if I say Price has bad games too. As far as SO’s go, lets not go there. Halak has 0 SO’s in the playoffs in 19 games (9-10), Price 2, in 16 (5-11) games, so what. As far as winning seasons, umm, this was Prices first losing season. He’s not some consistent loser. Coming into this season Price was 47-28-13- with 4 SO’s , Halak was 30-21-2 with 4 SO’s. I know Price has struggled with losses since last years all-star break, but Halak was 14-13 from then until mid DEC. Not exactly stellar, either, or consistent, which was my point in the first place. Then something clicked and he went 19-7-5 from mid DEC on. In the end you are right, at age 24 Halak did have a career year, better than any season Price has had at 20/22. We’ll have to wait and see if when Price turns 24, if he can win 26 games with 2.40 GAA -.924% -5 SO’s or not. We’ll see this year if Price can become consistent like Halak was last season and if Halak himself, can maintain that consistency.

  301. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Just why bother posting something like this then? All you are doing is trying to show he was WORSE than Price

    He was very up and down his first 2 years. I mean even this season he had more games of 4+ GA than Price“.

    I just don’t get it…Price has a good resume, why do some people always have to show a negative to make a positive seem…more positive? I was not even doing a comparison game between the two. I don’t feel the need to.

  302. Mikey_39 says:

    Ok makes sense, thanks!

  303. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well Karri Ramo is Finnish for one thing so the KHL isn’t his home country, native language situation as it is for our Russian prospects. I think Ramo was demoted out of the Top 2 positions in TB as well and chose to play the KHL as a way to develop at pro level and avoid the AHL. He could be a choice of backup for MTL in another year if they let Auld walk as well.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  304. yathehabsrule says:

    Shhhhh Deuce, don’t tell anyone but Gauthier stuffed the other team distraction, Youppi!, into Desjardins equipment bag. Trust me, we got the better end of it! ;)

     

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  306. observer says:

    a minor league deal, boucher probably asked for him, desjardins wasnt even used in final games for hamilton. yes gauthier continues to do nothing to bolster the habs NHYL team for this season. so what else is new?

  307. HFX-HabFan says:

    It would potentially be the Carey and Karri Show!

  308. SnowManHabs85 says:

    We still have Sanford behind Auld if injury does occur between the pipes.

  309. Propwash says:

    I saw Desjardins play in Hamilton, and I wasnt really impressed.

     

    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  310. observer says:

    Giants impressive over Jets tonight. Over a week ago when Steve Smith, Hixon(IR) and Nicks were all hurt and out, Coughlin said, “who needs them, we have Cruz.” Unbelievable!

  311. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Agreed but I’d keep Youppi just because he makes pictures better with him in the picture.

  312. Habs1st says:

    Not sure why people are crapping over Gauthier for this one.  Rightly or wrongly, Price, and not Desjardins, is selected as the goaltender of the future for Montreal.  That was evident with the Halak trade.  Picking up Ramo can be looked at as insurance.  Gauthier probably felt it would be better to have another goaltender with some NHL experience without going to the free agent market or paying a significant amount via a different trade.   Maybe he thinks Ramo will battle Auld for the backup position.

  313. G BO says:

    Ramo has as much potential to be Prices back-up as Auld does. imo.

  314. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Habs1st,all across the country and beyond a huge if not majority of Hab fans are still in shock as to the moving of Our No:1 Halak ….I’ve talked to fans from everywhere and TOO MANY DON’T UNDERSTANDS THAT MOVE or the logic…..Then on top of it all this!Just because Price”who is too good to sign  an extension!”is once again to be the goalie of the Habs future does not guarantee it will succeed and if history serves us right I’d say the goat has crapped the bed! So my question to all is, WTF is truly going on here and where is plan B if this upchucks?I truly don’t see one imo!

  315. Chorske says:

    An exchange of spare parts.

    RUSTY spare parts.

  316. PrimeTime says:

    This is a nothing trade. Habs organization does not feel Desjardins has much future with them so they agree to move him to an organization where he may. In Ramo, we get some insurance in case of injury. Neither player will likely see many games with the top team.

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

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  317. Mr. Biter says:

    Watched CD steal a double overtime playoff game vs. the Moose in the Playoffs this spring. True only a minor league swap but CD has yet to play in the NHL and Ramo’s NHL record sucks. I’m starting to get worried about PG. No Price, and no one with over 200 PIMS slated for the big team as of yet for this year. Worrysome. 

  318. PrimeTime says:

    “all across the country and beyond…” get real.! If you and your school mates don’t understand – who cares! I would argue that more fans DO understand than NOT.  Halak is gone so cry yourself to sleep and get over it.

     

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  319. ShyS says:

    someone’s going to have to pick a new jersey number. and by someone i mean ramo because clearly the farthest the canadiens’ management is willing to go in terms of displeasing price is not letting him play during the playoffs when he’s the clearly inferior netminder…

    that came out a little more venomous than i intended…o well, stats are stats and price is price

  320. Chuck says:

    At least the crowd wouldn’t get confused about which name to chant!

  321. JD_ says:

    Ramo for Desjardins.

    In other news, watchin’ some late-night Law & Order right now. My money’s on the butler.

  322. Shiloh says:

    Beautiful – two good goalies gone for air and we’re stuck with an untalented prima donna. And we kept Martin and let Boucher walk. It’s like the Three Stooges are in charge of this team.

  323. K-hab25 says:

    This is hilarious!! I mean the same people whining about this trade, were saying just yesterday that “now that Price is 23 he’s not young anymore and it’s time he steps up.” Now one day later, we trade a 25 year old(he’s 25 next month), with 0 NHL games played and people are saying we traded a “young upcoming goalie,” because “they don’t want Price to have any competition.” Are you freaking serious!! First of all, how the hell is Price not young anymore, but a guy 2 freaking years older, is a “young upcoming goalie.” Secondly I don’t know what planet you live on, what your under the influence of, or how much deep down pure dislike you have for Price, but Desjardins, hasn’t been, isn’t, or never will be competition for Carey Price. He was barely competition for Sanford. This was a shuffling of roster spots, to make room for Mayer. Mayer is 20, an actual prospect, not a 25 year old masquerading as one. Ramo, 25 next year, gives the team an option next year for a cheap young back-up, that has 50 NHL starts under his belt. I really don’t understand how anyone thinks we gave up something special here. I get the worry that Ramo may never play for us, but I look at him as nothing more than an asset. The team that wins a trade gets the better player, well IMO, we got the better player.

  324. K-hab25 says:

    Hey Shiloh, hows Latendresse doing? Remember him? You know the last young Hab, you claimed had no talent. I seem to remember him scoring more goals than AK the talented did. You should leave player evaluation alone, you’re not very good at it.

  325. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desjardins body of work at 25 is less impressive than what Carey Price accomplished at 19, but thanks for playing. Jacques Martin was still the coach behind the bench that saw the Canadiens go to the Conference Finals, deepest run run in 17 years and Guy Boucher was still a first-year AHL coach who is completely unproven at coaching the NHL level.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  326. K-hab25 says:

    and you are well you

  327. zozotheclown says:

    +1

    You’re completely right, although reading the Halak fanclub’s uproar has been kinda fun, can’t wait for the actual season to start.

  328. arcosenate says:

    So what you’re saying is that you believe on Wednesday, what you believed on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday?

  329. Bugs says:

    “Same people”? How do you know it’s the same people? Can you link the graph you use or whatever?

    Posters who use the “same people” expression are really saying “the world is filled with flip-floppers who can’t keep a straight idea in their head. Not like me. I’m a straight and level-headed perfect idea man. All of you listen to me and not the grand generalization of other posters which I have NEVER kept track of but can state with absolute impunity that they, specifically, change their minds every third post. That grand generalization of people I do not know and do not keep track of are not as good as me. So if you want to the have right idea on the situation, you will listen to me.”

    That’s what the “the same people who said this said the contrary before” expression means. Using it is an absolute failure of rhetoric.

    That’s first of all.

    Second of all, unless you can read the future, you have NO idea who will become competition for who. If by “barely competition for Sanford”, you mean “more games played in the season, double in the playoffs and a better sv% than Sandford”, then I guess you’re right but you’ll agree that doesn’t help your argument.

    Make room for Mayer??? What the hell…? Why not “make room” for Desjardins instead? You know, the goalie who had the best gaa in the AHL?

    Listen, I haven’t really watched Desjardins play, but I have seen Ramo. And lemme tell you sumpin: Ramo ain’t no Desjardins. So you’re right about the “better player in the trade” part, but imo, totally wrong about who that better player is.

    In fact, I don’t know who it is either. I just know who it AIN’T: Ramo.

    So in conclusion, Kabbie: We got fleeced worse than you just did now.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says 

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  330. K-hab25 says:

    You say,”you don’t know who’s the better player, but Ramo ain’t.” How is a 25 year old with 0 NHL games, proven he’s better than a 24 year old with almost 50 NHL games. I know we got rid of a fellow franco, so you have sand in your vagina, but Desjardins isn’t worth getting all worked up over losing. The team obviously didn’t think too highly of him and he’ll be TB’s minor league starter, slash emergency call up, until there young prospects are ready for the position. As far as the “same people” comment, I was referring to xtra, adam and tony/observer, who were harping on “old” Price is yesterday. Then today, we got rid of Price’s young upcoming challenger, who happens to be 2 years older. It’s the usual Price hater bull. I’m not surprised, however, the majority of the people that are still whining about the Halak trade, also tend to agree that “Price isn’t young anymore” and think we got “fleeced” in this deal. You all have your panties in a bunch still, about the overrated one being traded. Maybe when you finally get over that trade, you can get over this one.

  331. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ramo was for a while, considered NHL-ready at the same age as Carey Price was when he first started goaltending for Montreal and it is has been a common argument that Price was rushed out of development to become the “The Next One” in the Habs net. Karri Ramo was tossed into the same job, as a less talented goaltender (He was drafted in the 6th round in 2004 and started playing for Tampa in 06-07) and wasn’t given much chance to develop either with a revolving door roster and coaching staff. It could be entirely possible that Ramo didn’t get good development to start his NHL career either and when he’s completed his 2-year stint in the KHL he will be more on track and ready to be the backup in Montreal if the Habs let Auld move on in a year.

    Desjardin is 25 and never played a game in the NHL and there’s no guarantee he’ll ever make it out of the AHL right now. He was pulled from net in the post-season when the Bulldogs needed to turn around their Divisional Final series and he was letting them down at that point. Curtis Sanford was 3rd in the AHL for GAA I would point out, which would give a certain level of credit to the Guy Boucher defensive system in place in Hamilton that had the Bulldogs goaltending tandem 1st and 3rd. A .13 difference in GAA, a .003 save % difference in favour of Desjardins and 6 more GP hardly shows he’s head and shoulders above Sanford.

    Everyone says Price has to grow up and show he has the talent and mental fortitude to play for Montreal. Why is it that Desjardins, 25 and on the 2nd-best AHL team in the league last year is an up and comer with no NHL experience, getting yanked in the playoffs for his taking a dump in nets and his goaltending partner was hardly behind him in stats is suddenly this amazing prospect we let slip away?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  332. K-hab25 says:

    A-FREAKING-MEN!!!! I hope you don’t expect him to see your point though, bugs never lets facts get in the way of his conceited, always correct opinion. He’ll just talk down to you, telling you how wrong you are for not sharing his point of view on the subject.

  333. Bugs says:

    Everyone is heralded as terrifical until they step up to the plate, Yahoo. No talentless nobodies ever make the League. But in the League, we separate the terrifical players from the uber-terrifical players. The ubers stay; the non-ubers don’t. You know this.

    Ramo is so terrifical, he couldn’t crack second fiddle on a team that hasn’t had a worthwhile goalie since Khabby. That’s how “better than Desjardins” he is.

    Now, why is Desjardins so hot?

    Because Guy Boucher wants him back, Yahoo, that’s why.

    Not to mention that possibly, Hab management is CLEARING the way for Price of any and all SEMBLANCE of competition. As we have witnessed with our own eyes in the Halak trade as opposed to seeing a bright as-of-yet unmaterialized rainbow of the future some other posters get up to, a future that entitles them to mock and fabulate over folks who disagree with them in the present (cough-cough, Kabbie).

    Desjardins was competition for Price; that’s what his numbers say; Ramo will not be; that’s what HIS numbers say. As for the “25 games in the NHL” business, you can sell that to the tourists cuz I bet Jim Carey has more. Desjardins was coming up next and maybe having both him and Price would’ve put the organization right back in the Halak-Price boat, so maybe, that came into consideration.

    I’d rather have Auld than Ramo and so would you, Yahoo. And since Auld ain’t no competition for Price, we can pretty much identify where Ramo stands. He stands right beside Auld.

    In the non-wave-making boat.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  334. Bugs says:

    “Facts” now? What “facts” were those again? Aah, bitterness, I love it. You’re beautiful, Kabbie; don’t ever change.

    One thing though: you’re not 33-years-old. THAT’S a fact.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  335. Bugs says:

    I explain WHY using the “same people who said this now say that” argument is utter weakness and he does it again! The “majority” now. I love it!

    Yeah, Kabbie, Guy Boucher “obviously” thought Desjardins was a nobody so much that he wants him back. Uh-huh…

    Sand in vagina because I’m French? Yeah, that’s it, Kabbie. You sure got me pegged. Spoken like a true 33-year-old. Well done.

    (giggle)

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  336. shootdapuck says:

    Eloquent arrogance is more to the point.

    “everyone’s opinions are correct as long as they agree with Bugs’ and BTW dissent is not tolerated”

    Bottom line, a Francophone got traded for a non if it was Sanford it would be a non-starter.

     

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  337. nightmare_49 says:

       Confident Burke opens up about Maple Leafs – by Steve Simmons

       An introspective Brian Burke has admitted he could have traded Tomas Kaberle by Sunday night and could have acquired a “top six” forward for the veteran defenceman.

       Read more:  http://www.ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/2010/08/17/15045706.html

  338. G-Man says:

    Goatier picks up another “winner” in exchange for homegrown talent. Habs management continues to make astute moves….for the Lightning. Ramo has a losing record and a GAA of 3.35. Is Goatier just blind to goaltending or stupid? We’ll find out from October to April just how bad a move this is for the Bulldogs.

  339. G-Man says:

    Shiloh, Habs management is so stupid right now all it takes is 2 of them to outshine the 3 Stooges.

  340. Clay4bc says:

    To be fair, Tampa was an atrocious team though…any goalie would have been hard pressed to put up respectable numbers playing there. Maybe this is insurance for when/if Carey doesn’t sign? We know Auld can’t do the job…

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  341. G-Man says:

    Could be insurance, but habs management this summer has been too goofy to have confidence this fall. I’d rather bring up a local kid if Price and Auld mess the bed than someone we know will fail.

  342. Clay4bc says:

    LOL…I’d rather have just kept the good goalie we had…now we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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  343. HabFanSince72 says:

    Listen, I haven’t really watched Desjardins play, but I have seen Ramo. And lemme tell you sumpin: Ramo ain’t no Desjardins.

    If you haven’t seen Desjardins play, how do yo know?

    My guess is that:

    haven’t really watched Desjardins play” = you’ve never seen him.

    and

    “I have seen Ramo” = you saw him once. 

    Slackin, not crackin’.



     

  344. Slovak says:

    RAMBO in nets yupieeee – give him shotgun and the goalie situation is solved finally :))

  345. chemic says:

    aha he wears number 31, surprise surprise

  346. HardHabits says:

    The same Desjardins who sat on the bench while Sanford played in the playoffs?

    This move was made with one sole purpose in mind. To deprive Yeats of his potential for “Cedrick the Entertainer” jokes.

  347. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hometown talent is stretching the term with Desjardins, 25 and not a sniff of NHL time in his career and Desjardin’s ‘career AHL season’ is so closely mirrored by Sanford’s numbers that one can argue the Bulldogs were very much responsible for the numbers he had this last year. Desjardins might never go beyond emergency replacement material for an NHL team.

    Ramo was thrust into the Tampa net at the same age Price got his start with Montreal, but without coming in and being ridiculously accomplished as a 20-year old goalie and a high talent level (Ramo was a 6th round pick from 2004) and if we can argue that Price had his development messed up by being rushed in, it’s not going crazy to suggest Ramo’s development was buggered up as well with the mess that was Tampa.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  348. RGM says:

    If you were an NHL GM would you trade away a real of real potential significance for an AHL goalie?
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    Josh Gorges for Captain!

  349. Everlasting1 says:

    Looks like the great Guy Boucher approves of Cedric Desjardins. Habs’ brass-lovers must feel conflicted over this baffling move.

     

     

    Don’t pollute the water.

  350. SeriousFan09 says:

    20, 21-year old goalies are a rarity and there a ton of them who are just not ready to play in nets for the NHL and Ramo was one of them, not his fault TB dropped the job on him and expected him to be better than he was at the time. Guy Boucher might favour Desjardins but it doesn’t mean Boucher does not make mistakes from time to time either.

    At 25 and Desjardins needing to be on the 2nd-best AHL team to record those numbers and still get yanked in the AHL playoffs to be ‘competition’ for a kid who backstopped the underdog 2007 Bulldogs to a Calder Cup Championship and Playoff MVP trophy at 19 I’d say the organization has deep, deep issues that I wasn’t aware of for this to be such a relevation. Desjardins was as much a theat right to Carey Price’s career as David Desharnais is a threat to Brian Gionta’s. His numbers are again, closely mirrored by the career journeyman in nets Curtis Sanford which gives credit to the Bulldogs year more than it does to Desjardins making a big leap in ability at his age. His weakness at playing the puck and skating would have made Ramo’s old numbers look good if he was given NHL work tommorow.

    I’ll take Auld at the moment, but I’m also interested to see what Ramo could develop into given time to refine his game in the KHL and go back towards what he might have accomplished had TB not mucked up his development because they were a hack organization at the time.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  351. G-Man says:

    So, if Ramo’s development was buggered up, why trade for him? Another baffling move in what is soon to become “The Goatier Files.”

    Why would the Lightning want Desjardins if he stinks? Habs management will make my head do that Exorcist-like 360° spin soon with all the nonsense. I mean, I ‘ve already projectile-vomited that pea green soup from June 27th, so why not get to the next level?

  352. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’ll go with a Scout, in the stands at KHL matchs watching Ramo and assessing his performance on the season as whodunnit for gathering data on Ramo’s KHL work. They saw progress in his game and noted his stats as 6th-best in the KHL last season for GAA and 4th in SOs. A goalie with messed up development is not beyond redemption and they felt Ramo’s game was improving.

    I’ll offer this as well every single organization in the NHL makes mistakes. Detroit flipped Leino for basically no one and he became a playoff hero in Philidelphia rather than under an organization who flips 6th-rounders into All-Stars and a coach who was in the Cup Finals 3 out of 6 years at one point and responsible for Canada’s 2nd Olmypic Gold in hockey. Boston and Philidelphia traded away Versteeg and Sharp for nothing as well. Just because Tampa wants him doesn’t make him an upcoming star goalie, I’m tired of this endless worship of Yzerman and Boucher when they’ve yet to accomplish anything in the NHL. This is not Pollock & Bowman or Selke & Blake Version 2.0 yet that’s all I seem to read noawadys.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  353. DAVE. N says:

    I’d have to agree on most of your points. Goaltenders seem to take longer to mature, and I think Ramos was thrown into the fire too early in the NHL, with a subpar defensive team that hung him to dry some nights. Actually, getting away from the NHL may have done him some good. He may have returned with a new mind set, that is now in conflict with the Tampa direction.

    Boucher, IMO has alot of talent. Not just Tampa, but several organizations wanted him as a head coach, unproven though he is. If we have confidence in the scouting about Ramos’ progress, we should give a bit of a nod in Bouchers’ direction as well.

    Agreed however about Stevie Y and being exalted and anointed as the next Sam Pollock…..he’s just not there yet..

     I think we can agree that we dn’t wish him to be the next Rejean Houle,though..

  354. Mark C says:

    Why would the Lightning want Desjardins if he stinks?

    Desjardins doesn’t stink, but given his level of play, stats, and age it is unlikely he is ever more than a 3rd string goalie getting some NHL time. Desjardins has yet to out play Sanford or Denis in the AHL, yet to play an NHL game, and due to his age is running out of time. He is only 4 and a half months younger than Halak.

    Stevie Y says they want him for depth so the team can bring along their real prospects slowly: 

    “With his American Hockey League experience, he will provide excellent goaltending depth for the organization, allowing us to be patient while Dustin Tokarski and Jaroslav Janus further mature and develop.”

  355. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think we can agree that we dn’t wish him to be the next Rejean Houle,though..

    I’d like Yzerman to succeed, but I’d also like it if he traded us Hedman or Stamkos for magic beans ;)

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  356. Bugs says:

    Too analogous. Gimme an example.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  357. Bugs says:

    Aw, shoulda read my post to the end, Sincey. Had a fine closing sentence that addresses your point.

    As for Ramo, I’ve seen him MANY more times than “once”.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  358. Bugs says:

    These are very good points you make, about Ramo, Desjardins’s yanking, and the Desharnais parallel.

    But would you want to have done this deal BEFORE it happened instead of justifying it afterwards? Guy Boucher might “make mistakes”, yet you say the Bolters are no longer “a hack organization”. You credit them for having some new credibility yet allow for their coach to have made a mistake. We can’t have it both ways.

    Why Ramo? Why? There is no REASON to have traded Desjardins except one, I’m afraid.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  359. Habs1st says:

    Halak may have been “our” number 1, but it was and is clear that the Habs brass feels that Price is “their” number one. To quote someone else (again) from this site, “Price has the higher ceiling” in terms of potential. I, like a lot of fans (based on the comments here and elsewhere), wasn’t surprised that Halak got moved. I was, however, very surprised that they didn’t get more in return for him. And finally, I still believe in Price. I think he’ll have a great NHL career, I just hope its with Montreal! Price had a great junior career and, while people say that’s in the past, so was Halak’s playoff performance – that’s past too. Who’s to say he’ll continue to play great, whether in St. Louis, Montreal or where ever? I hope he does. But the last few years have seen outstanding performances in one (or even two) seasons, only to see the player fade away.

  360. adam76 says:

     

    Say what you want about me and my views, but don;t for one second think this message board is a reflection of the fanbase.  This is nothing but a 30 man clique, all agreeing with each other.

  361. Shiloh says:

    LaUseless is ankling along in Minneapplejuice – plodding his way to the net to pick up a bit of garbage. He is still slow, he still does not check or hit and his shot is still awful. He received the Price favoured-status treatment and I was thrilled to see the ass-end of him. I will similarly rejoice when the sainted Carey-Whiner is run out of town.

  362. arcosenate says:

    Well it should be analogous, it could even be papadopolous, I didn’t read your comment. I will next time though!

  363. Bugs says:

    Oh. Well then, what the hell, Arco?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  364. ooder says:

    meh i don’t get it but wtvr…

    i don’t really care either way

    maybe they will bring him back over when his contract expires in Russia

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  365. punkster says:

    Drama queens and armchair GMs. The swap of two minor leaguers and the rabble is roused. It’s a slow summer.

    I love this place!!!

    FREE TIMO!

  366. Les-Habitants says:

    I really, really don’t understand this trade.

    Why trade our leading goaltending prospect who is currently playing in the AHL for a goaltender who is currently playing in the KHL, and likely never returning to North America?

    Cedrick has proved himself at every level thus far….I just don’t understand why we would dump Desjardins when he’s done everything we could have asked of him, so far.

  367. mbplekfan says:

    He is old enough to no longer be considered a prospect. He really isnt that good.

    We have to create room for more contracts and carrying 5 spare goaltenders while Carey Price is the goalie for the next 5 years makes no sense.

  368. Bahamut-Prime says:

    :( figure Desjardins has a higher ceiling but I guess Ramo has NHL experience, just after all the articles about Desjardins I’ve read sad to see him go oh well.

  369. SeriousFan09 says:

    Got a signed letter of intent from Ramo that he’s never going to leave the KHL after his two-year contract that has 1 year remaining on it expires? Desjardins is in his mid-20s and his last success was in the ECHL and guess what, the next man up, Robert Mayer just won an ECHL Kelly Cup himself and was Co-MVP of the ECHL Playoffs. Mayer could surpass Desjardins with one solid year in the AHL and he’s younger to boot.

    Desjardins succeeded on a incredible, record-breaking season for the Bulldogs that had a star prospect named P.K. Subban and the top coach of the AHL Guy Boucher, but he still flopped in the playoffs and had to be pulled in the Division finals in favour of Sanford. We have not given up a hot goalie prospect like Bernier or Schneider, just a guy who might be a viable backup goalie in 1 or 2 years. This is not the end of the world.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  370. HFX-HabFan says:

    Let’s see…Cedrick the Entertainer goes from being 3rd/4th on our goaltending chart to…3rd/4th on the Bolts’ goaltending chart. 

    They have Smith and Ellis set to platoon, and Dustin Tokarski (like Price, a goalie who won gold with Canada at the WJC) is their goalie of the future.  I doubt Tampa offers Desjardins a better opportunity- if anything, his route to the NHL looks to be more challenging now.

  371. Les-Habitants says:

    Hmmm….yah, but I’d rather have Desjardins in my back pocket for a callup then Ramo who is just gone.

    And, from what I’ve read, none of our other goaltending prospects seem to have that high of a ceiling (although Mayer is interesting)…..Desjardins has at least accomplished something, and proven himself a good AHL goaltender.  Whether that can translate into being a serviceable backup, I don’t know…but still, strange trade to me.

  372. Les-Habitants says:

    No, of course I don’t know but wouldn’t you agree it seems unlikely that Ramo would return when he had the no.2 spot, with a shot at the starter position in Tampa?  Maybe Ramo will come back, but we don’t exactly have the best record of getting our Russian prospects to come over, Avtsin being the sole exception. 

    Making room for Mayer does make sense, so maybe that was the logic behind it all…

  373. deuce6 says:

    I have no problem with the actual dealing of Desjardins, but don’t you think we could have, at the very least, got something that we could use? Something we lack in the system? A young player with size would have made more sense, no? A second rate KHLer? Really?

  374. JIMVINNY says:

    Put this is the Guy thread by accident, guess it belongs here;

    Why hasn’t a big deal been made of the fact that
    this trade came about because Desjardins asked for a trade?  You’d
    think this would be big news, wouldn’t you?

    « Ça n’a pas été dit clairement comme ça, mais mon agent a fait
    comprendre à l’organisation qu’il serait préférable de m’échanger si
    elle n’avait pas l’intention de me donner ma chance», at-il ensuite
    ajouté.

    http://fr.canoe.ca/sports/nouvelles/hockey/archives/2010/08/20100817-160

    Bugs, this has to change your opinion a little, doesn’t it?

  375. observer says:

    only an airhead fan would use the word HATE for what you just did. do you have any idea what the word HATE represents? any fan who claims he/or they hate the sweater of a team manned by players/people who had no choice in 90% of the cases of even being on the team, that they are WORKING FOR TO MAKE A LIVING is dumber than a bag of hammers.

  376. HabFanSince72 says:

    Hab haters… a question for you:

    If Habs management sucks, why is it brilliant of TB to raid us for players and coaches?

  377. EricInStL says:

    Because management didn’t protect anyone since they are locked with Martin.

    It’s like one of the sales reps leaves your company and takes the adm assistant you never noticed ad then someone from production that you don’t know what he really does. But the ex salesrep knows since he works with them every day. That’s what Boucher is doing.

    This move is bugging me BIG time….

    In Guy Boucher I trust.

  378. habsnyc says:

    tampa is not raiding the canadiens.  montreal trade a minor league player  with them. that is not raiding. 

    boucher was courted by several teams and chose tampa.  boucher brought his assistants with him.  montreal management may have erred in not leaving room in the organization for obvious talent like boucher.  boucher fled hamilton to take an NHL job because montreal chose not to offer him that opportunity. people respect yzerman because he led the red wings and team canada to success both on and off the ice.  but it remains to be seen if he can restore tampa to contender status. 

    does detroit management suck because they let yzerman leave? 

     

  379. habs4eternity says:

    didn’t know Boucher ever coached the habs.

    guess I know less than the person making that statement, dumb me.

  380. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I am ok with that, if it meant Halak or Plekanec (which we will never know), I am VERY cool with that.

    Thanks for the name calling though.

    GO HABS GO!

  381. nunacanadien says:

    Hey the team shone for Halak, they didn’t for Price.  Under Halak, we got to see the defensive skills of Gorges, with Price in nets, Gorges is not the same.  Under Halak, you could see Cammy appreciate his passing skills, suprised Halak didn’t get credited for more assists.   

  382. tophab says:

    so true price sucks the life out of the team.he won 20 of the last 69 games he played.Is that some kind of a record for the worst goaltending of all time?

  383. madcap_habsfan says:

    i just want the team to keep the amazing flow they had going in the playoffs, well into this season, they proved they know how to play like a team, together, and coheseively, and regardless of whose in nets they will hopefully remember that. i truly believe all our men  care enough to do that

    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  384. LA Loyalist says:

    Very little weight is given on this site to how any hockey team’s confidence ebbs and flows with their confidence in their goalie.

    When a goalie stops a breakaway, or a tough deflection, it’s a huge lift to everyone and they can be more confident and aggressive. When he coughs up a furball (not naming any names here) the wind goes out of everyone’s sails.

    It doesn’t mean you have to play shutout hockey every night, you can play great and win 6-5 — it’s all about timing, breakaways, the last minute of a period, shorthanded… making the big stop.

    Price has to earn the confidence of this team. He ain’t got it. And he hasn’t much time, I give him about 20 games or the ice is going to become quite slippery.

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  385. ZepFan2 says:

    Yeah, I loved his assist on the Richards goal.

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    – Steven Tyler

  386. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I thought Hamrlik would have got that one…nice to point that out…so remind me again what Price’s playoff record is?

    Yeah that is what I thought, go watch the Swan Song again buddy and get mystified by Page…

  387. ZepFan2 says:

    Aww, you gonna cry? Baby want his ba-ba?

    I’m just feel he should have had at least an assist on the goal. Don’t you? lol

    Btw, you should be writing a thank you note to Gauthier. By trading Halak, he was able to sign your favourite player, putz.

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    – Steven Tyler

  388. ZepFan2 says:

    Dude, you told me to go watch the “swan song” and get mystified by Page. Like I’m high and delirious or something.

    What was that all about?

    Fyi, it’s not, swan song. It’s, the song remains the same. Swan song was their label.

    Sorry about the putz thingy. ;)

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  389. D Alcorn says:

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  390. Mats Naslund says:

    I want one example of where this has ever happened.. ever.

  391. New says:

    I think you’re right with a). Desjardins has a lot of potential but has a tough time the first couple years at any level. Likely just ran out of time. I am not happy to see him leave the organization but you have to hope it works out for him.

  392. hotspur says:

    “Kelly turned the Big M — Frank Mahovlich — into one of the most productive goal scorers in NHL history. Kessel is on his way to becoming that, and might get there quicker with Kaberle in place as his centre to aid him”

     kessel: one of the greatest goal scorers in NHL history. Thats news to me

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    Audere est Facere- To Dare Is To Do

  393. showey47 says:

    The only way this trade makes sense is: 1) ramo is still an rfa and we still have his rights to 2014 and desjardins is a ufa next season 2) This lowers our players under contract to 47 from the maximum allowed of 50. 3) Management is looking ahead to bringing Petteri Similia over next season and having a fellow countryman like ramo will help him adjust.(i think this one is a long shot though). 4) Desjardins asked to be moved looking at the goalie situation in front of him.

  394. LA Loyalist says:

    I think your analysis is not bad. The wild card is Price. Can he handle it?

    As for Eller, size means nothing if it’s not used and if he’s wobbly like Pouliot, who admittedly has shown flashes but does not seem to have any edge to him. (see Gillaume Latrendresse – though IMHO that was a question of youth and maturity and him having to grow into his body). Another wild card. And another guy we rushed when we should have waited. A team of Pouliots (and I’m not writing him off yet) will accomplish nothing.

    Yeah hindsight is 20/20, but that’s what management is supposed to have the experience and judgement to do, look at 17 year olds and project the chances of what they can do 3,4 years down the road.

    It comes down to having confidence in management, and after last summer – I have NONE.

     

     

  395. Mats Naslund says:

    Sanford… the guy who would have been called up anyway – is still in the AHL and available if for some reason Price and Auld can’t handle it. Or there is always the possibility of signing any one of the MYRIAD of available NHL level goalies who remain unsigned each year. 

    Ramo has already said that he’d like to come back to the NHL once he’s finished in the KHL. This way we don’t have to pay him while he plays. If Desjardins didn’t play minimum NHL games this year – he could have walked away as a free agent. 

     

    How is that for brainless? Then everyone could blame Carey Price for not being able to sign a French Canadian Superstar 4th string undrafted goaltending “prospect” who added great organizational depth. 

  396. since1988 says:

    haha lots for those Canadian winters ;)…i just wondered if anyone else saw it…i think eklund is an idiot…i was just tired of coming onto HI/O and reading about goalie debates

  397. nunacanadien says:

    Potential in that Cedrick too was a winning Bulldogs goalie, so you could then say they are almost of the same pedigree.  What are we doing throwing away a proven goalie, under who’s standards are applied to Price, if you win in Hamilton then you are good in Montreal supposedly.  So when we try and apply those to Cedrick, all of a sudden this is a nothing trade?  Trade away a very promising goalie who has almost the same background of wins in the Bulldogs as Price?

  398. LA Loyalist says:

    dumbest post yet :) how do we post photos? Seriously. I was hit in the head with pucks often as a child :)

    thanks for your help. 

  399. TomNickle says:

    Looks like a bad deal to me.  Looks like the organization is doing its best to eliminate any potential media cry for a new starting goaltender.

    No more Halak’s is what this looks like.

    Not saying that Desjardins could have done that, just saying that management doesn’t want the city to fall in love with anyone other than Price again.

    On another note, Boucher had Desjardins for a year.  It seems highly unlikely that they would want Desjardins if he didn’t have the tools to be competent at the NHL or AHL levels.  Boucher has a very good idea of what Desjardins capable of, but then again, Sanford was his equal last season, so we’ll see.

    It would’ve been nice if Gauthier put the squeeze on Yzerman for a better return considering the free shopping he’s done in the Habs grocery store.

  400. WarHero says:

    In the future, please reply with something sensible in regards to either my post or the post I replied to. We already have enough garbage posts as it is.

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  401. blueline says:

    I couldn’t agree more.

    It’s really just a sad continuation in the developing pattern of brainless deals perpetrated by Gauthier. So far he’s shown us that he’s the best talent acquirer for Tampa Bay and St. Louis.

    Too bad he doesn’t exhibit the same expertise in performing that role for the Habs. 

  402. mbplekfan says:

    What is a minor league goaltender worth?

    Considering that goalies are plentiful and cheap these days I would figure a whole lot of nothing.

    Certainly not a draft pick of any note. 5th rounder?

    Roster player? Not likely.

    Prospect? Why would Yzerman give up a prospect for an AHL goalie?

  403. punkster says:

    547 posts on what has to be the least interesting, lowest impact, lame-ass trade of the entire season. Well done!

    FREE TIMO!

  404. PrimeTime says:

    LMAO – no joke!

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  405. Bill J says:

    “seems to affect Pierre Boivin who said the SAME thing when putting Gauthier in place.”

    Yeah that’s why Geoff Molson will be taking over Boivin’s job in the very near future eh ?

    Boivin not affected by his “choice” of words ? – I LMFAO’d when I read your post.

     

  406. Bugs says:

    Yashin.

    No double-talk, Nazzy. That’s check and mate.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  407. Bugs says:

    Well, sir, it so happens that “Lame-azzery” is my middle-name and I say that the only reason to trade an award-winning-drafted-and-developped-by-this-organization-player-(who-just-so-happens-to-speak-the-provincial-language-of-the-majority-of-that-organization’s-faithful) for an UNKNOWN Finnish-3rd-fiddle-from-a-team-with-NO-fiddles is because maybe, possibly, he could have interfered with the 5th Overall Chosen’s One’s Total Carte Blanche either this year or next, conceivably.

    Furthermore, if this sudden-oh-my-gosh-he’s-so-great Robert Mayer (or whatever) guy exhibits any such tendancies?

    They could trade his azz too. 

    Then sell us an oh-he’s-so-great-Missiaen (or whatever) story.

    Just so le Priceberg KEEPS his Total Carte Blanche and sweats nothing. Could be. Nothing refutes that irrevocably.

    It is from an ARGUABLE position (by taking past accounts we have all witnessed with our own eyes and fitting them accordingly into that theory) that allows one to EXPOSE such a theory. Maybe.

    And THAT, imo, CAN be made into a “impact” story.

    No?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  408. Bugs says:

    Click on your name. Go to Edit. Go to Upload Picture and upload picture. It will go to your main page when done.

    Refresh. (that’s probably what’s stickin ya)

    Boo-ya.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  409. Vecs says:

    “who-just-so-happens-to-speak-the-provincial-language-of-the-majority-of-that-organization’s-faithful” (reference needed)

    Not that it matters anyways.

     

    But that’s getting away from the point.  I’m not sure if you’re being facetious with this theory.  I hope not.  Cause it could easily be true.

  410. jrshabs1 says:

    We know..you are French and you’re are damm proud of it!!!! You sir must be in the middle of identity crisis because you throw your heritage out there for all to know at every opportunity. There are a lot of Anglo Hab fans..believe it or not, who don’t care about the language rubbish or the French culture…we just love the Habs!!! Please keep your non sensical chatter to hockey. If you don’t like Price this much just come out and say it either in plane English or your native French..(I have a French/English dictionary), not this pig latin that you bombard us with everyday.

  411. G-Man says:

    Dress it up all you want, a pig at the end of the day is still a pig. This is another Goatier trade that doesn’t make any sense.

  412. RJ says:

    Another head-scratching move. From what I read and see in the stats form, Desjardins was a promising prospect and the Habs give up on him? While some people on this board think this is insignificant, it is part of a more disturbing pattern from Gauthier. After all, we dealt away our #1 goalie and still do not have his back-up signed a month before camp.

    “My face is my mask,” Gump Worsley

  413. Curtoph says:

    Thought he wasn’t drafted… that’s why he was never projected to make the NHL…

  414. Bill J says:

    Since when did your assumptions on things become reality.

    Seriously it’s one thing to have an opinion, it’s an entirely different thing to make assumptions.

    Desjardins BTW was NOT drafted by the Habs (falsity #1 in your post)

    & the French thing ?  Assuming more then half of it’s faithful being FRENCH ONLY speaking is a load of BS.

    Sorry, because Habs fans are NOT solely restricted to QC for one, and for two.  MANY Habs fans are also bilingual, and of those many could care less about the language a player speaks.  So long as the team is better on the ice.

    Since when did language become a factor in a players talent ?

    I am so SICK of this language thing, and sincerely hope Cat get’s his wish and a QC city franchise returns.  So THEY can have all the french Canadian players.

    The team after all is called the CANADIENS – not the QUEBECOIS!  The reason for the Habs becoming the Habs 100 years ago, does not apply 100 years later.

  415. Bill J says:

    Bad deal ?

    I think not.

    No more Cincinnati Cyclones farm team… The Habs had to reassign Mayer…  Would you have preferred the Habs trade a drafted player (Mayer) to leave room for Desjardins ?  NO.

    Is Ramo better then Sanford or Auld…. likely…

    Sanford & Auld’s contracts are up when Ramo’s KHL contract is up.

    This deal is forward thinking, and looks at the BIG picture.  Not just THIS season.

    PG in my humble opinion made a good move for the future of this team.

    Just like Yzerman made a good move for the future of his team…

     

  416. Geoff F says:

    What does that even mean, how did i dress it up?  In fact i think i dressed it down.  I gave the readily available stats that might be used to compare the two, that’s it!! 

    I can only assume that Gauthier uses a similiar analysis (more in depth and with multiple consultations) to determine the same grade/talent potential.  Do you have more or better information than that of the coaching/scouting staff working for the Habs?!  If so please share!

    Otherwise i have no idea how you came up to the conclusion that it doesn’t make any sense.  Based on your analysis, i could comment that your response doesn’t make any sense either. 

  417. Mats Naslund says:

    How many young RFAs still are not signed? I’ll save you the trouble – LOTS. There is nothing significant about Price not having signed yet. 

    Everyone keeps talking about “giving up on a prospect”… Ramo is YOUNGER (24) than Desjardins (25). And so is ROBERT MAYER, who is 20. He’ll be playing in the AHL this year thanks to this trade. That will mean that we have another young prospect, 5 years ahead of Desjardins’ progression ready to learn. This is not a head-scratcher.. it is a NO-BRAINER! 

  418. Curtoph says:

    Also he is from New Brunswick, so he’s not even Quebecois.

  419. Don Carnage says:

    You are insane a guy who was never drafted and has never played a single game in the NHL you say has same potential as Carey Price .. wow what do you smoke?

  420. Curtoph says:

    Lol so funny how many people are freaking out over a goalie most people didn’t even watch, just heard he was in the all star game and think he was the best thing ever.

    Remember guys, PK Subban was a defencemen in front of this guy all season long, also the team finished really high, not really due to Dejardians, seeing as he split time with Sanford.

  421. Chorske says:

    Let’s go for 1000.

  422. SeriousFan09 says:

    Their stats were hardly far apart either, 2.13 GAA for Sanford compared to Desjardins 2.00 and .916 save % for Sanford to Desjardin’s .919 and Desjardins never securely got the starting job until Sanford was injured and then lost it when he flopped in the playoffs and Sanford took it over coming cold off the bench and from injury recovery.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  423. Mats Naslund says:

    Brainless like keeping an AHL goalie that you have no room for – or brainless like trading him for a commodity that could help in the future, and creating space for a goalie 5 years younger to play? 

     

    Tampa picked up an AHL goalie that they intent to use for “organizational depth”… not exactly the type of thing you say if you expect the player to ever make the NHL.

  424. StevieRay says:

    Is there a date on which Price must be signed by ? and  if he doesn’t … what is the next process ?

  425. Curtoph says:

    Yeah, sure isn’t the end of the world, not like he was going to come up and steal the show or anything!

  426. nunacanadien says:

    Great, now all we have to fall back on now is Auld, and after that who? Oh yes, Pierre Gauthier will have the signed trade agreement paper acting as the goalie, you know the one with Ramo? While we watch the pucks go in the net, we’ll say wait til next year when Ramo comes, if he comes…..or wait, we can point to Gauthier recent trade where we saw Sergei go down for the rights to Dan Ellis. Yes, Gauthier can have Dan Ellis’ trade agreement with Nashville try to stop pucks…..geeze, Gauthier, you’re not doing so good with goalies this year aren’t you?

  427. punkster says:

    Bugs, I don’t know of the “past accounts we have all witnessed…”etc. What does that refer to please?

    I guess in my naivety I can’t believe this team would go about manipulating their goalie roster in such a way in order to make one so-called favoured player feel more comfortable. As opposed to manipulating the goalie roster to strengthen at that position in case of a favoured player meltdown. I don’t get the logic of such a move, do you?

    Help me with this please.

    FREE TIMO!

  428. nunacanadien says:

    I guess Gauthier must spend more time in Florida sunbathing than worrying about the Habs.

  429. nunacanadien says:

    Brainless like trading for an uknown commodity that has tweaked its nose at the NHL…ok.  Like as if Ramo would come over.  Acquisition to the rights of a goalie but not signing the goalie or a guarantee of a signing, that is even more brainless.  This means Gauthier leaves very little room to negotiate if Auld, Price and whoever don’t pan out.  What, we’re gonna ask Gill to suit up as goalie?  Is that the plan Gauthier?

  430. nunacanadien says:

    What’s sad is Cedrick has almost the same pedigree as Carey, while one won as an AHL champion for the bulldogs the other almost did.  How come we got rid of the one who could be better than the other maybe?  Now we can watch as Cedric beats Carey during the playoff run……and we get beat out and finish 9th.  Having Halak made sure we got in.  Now we have nothing but cheap goalies who are probably no better than Price.  Gauthier unless you pull a miracle, your legacy is already screwed with trading Halak away.

  431. tophab says:

    gainey is still making the moves .

  432. Bugs says:

    Hockeynews story on the matter.

    First poster echos my views, but in a more vitriolic manner, you will concur.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  433. Curtoph says:

    LOL wow that was a super failed attempt at everything. Are you in love with Bob Gainey, therefore you are bashing everything Gauthier does? Price can’t walk away, there is no where he is going. lol

  434. B says:

    Ramo bolted for the KHL rather than sign as backup to Smith in Tampa last season. If Mark Gandler is still his agent, then I don’t expect Ramo will be very likely to sign with Montreal as a backup to Carey Price after next season.

  435. Bugs says:

    Past accounts of this team proceeding in a manner that promotes their num5 overall pick to the detriment of Huey and Halak for example.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  436. Bugs says:

    Wasn’t drafted? Huh… Sorry. Developped then.

    Never said French only. Only said he spoke the PROVINCIAL language of the MAJORITY of its faithful. Provincial. I was quite clear. It’s not a “language” thing, Billy; it’s a YOU misreading thing.

    And yes, as you say, it’s CanadiEns, not CanadiAns. And just because YOU say the reason no longer applies 100 years later doesn’t make it so. Because yes, it very much still DOES apply if WE say it does.

    The team was created for French-Canadians after all so WE’LL decide when we don’t want it anymore, not you.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  437. Bugs says:

    Never said he was Quebecois; only said he spoke the provincial language of the majority of its faithful.

    Like Huey, for example. And Mark Streit. And Dominic Moore. And Tom Kostopoulos.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  438. B says:

    I believe that if he is not signed by Dec. 1st then he will be ineligible to play in the League for the balance of that season.

  439. nunacanadien says:

    Don’t forget to add Halak’s name to that, and well know about the Twitter battle with Gainey.  Nope, Montreal will go to the six skaters of old and not have a goalie, it’ll be Gauthier’s shimmy hockey for the NHL.  It’ll be all the rave!

  440. Batalla says:

    Well, we’re not talking big names here, so we aren’t really affected by this just yet.  We’ll have to wait and see how/if this truly pans out in the future.

    If I can say one positive thing, it’s that at least this GM is doing SOMETHING.

    http://habsbros.blogspot.com/

  441. nunacanadien says:

    So if the remaining goalies we have another bad year like Price has had really bad luck in Montreal it seems, can’t explain it any other way….can we sign under NHL rules another goalie if Ramo can’t play this year?

  442. Chorske says:

    While I agree with the first half of your post, I have to take issue with the second half.

    What is the advantage of a GM who does SOMETHING, ANYTHING? That is Burke’s style- all flash and bluster and big declarations and in the end, always one move too many- and it’s hurting the Leafs big time. The only thing that this accomplishes is giving the fans the illusion that the GM is being effective.

    Often the best moves you make are the ones you don’t.

  443. ZepFan2 says:

    Lame-assery is your middle name?

    You must really hate your parents.

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    – Steven Tyler

  444. bwoar says:

    Engel’s last line, “But I do know this: No one in Montreal likes it…” pretty much seals it for me, I like this deal more and more.  When the outcome of a deal is a big ???? then I usually side against the conventional “wisdom” of the faithful.  Crowds are dumb, and elections are proof.

    (If that is indeed what everything thinks, Engels often stretches way too far.)

     

     

     

  445. nunacanadien says:

    If trading away a prospect for another who bolts from the bolts, and who has another year in his contract with Omsk, to me that sounds like wasting a prospect spot, paying lawyers to basically do nothing, this is a nothing signing, a throwaway of a position, especially when we are lacking in depth and talent in our existing goalie complement, and include Price in there, what’s the backup plan?  Have Gill stand beside Price in Nets?

  446. Bugs says:

    Not as much as they hate me apparently.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  447. nunacanadien says:

    I wonder if Ramo would even sign in Montreal, as we basically traded just for the rights to his contract. 

  448. Bugs says:

    You take drama classes or somethin? Never said anything about “language”; only said Desjardin happens to speak the provincial language of the majority of this team’s faithful. That’s all I said. That’s 100% true, isn’t it?

    And must one HATE Price to expose such a theory? Does one automatically include the other? Is that how that works? Huh…

    Ok, then in the future, for your consideration, Junior, I’ll use more plane English and less helicopter English, aw’ight? So that you can crow about me hating Price better. How’s that sound?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  449. blueline says:

    How about brainless as in dumping a proven goalie who has more than demonstrated his maturity and capacity to play under extreme pressure very successfully in favour of one slightly younger one who has demonstrated his immaturity and incapacity to play under the same kind of pressure? If you’ve watched any Habs games this past season then I don’t need to name the two netminders in question.

    I guess Gauthier seems bound and determined to fly in the face of common sense and logic that says one should reinforce and reward success and not failure. Mike Camalleri was quoted as saying that he really enjoyed playing during the Habs playoff run. I sure hope he liked it because I doubt the Habs will ever come that close again once Gauthier’s “brilliant” stewardship takes hold.

    As for your last point, do you actually think that Yzerman is going to admit that he plucked a potential diamond in the rough from a gullible sap? After all, he may want to dump more crap and get much better in return from the same source in the future.

     

  450. The Cat says:

    Its not an important trade. We all know by now that no one will be allowed to dislodge Price.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  451. Mats Naslund says:

    People need to read up on RFAs. Price will sign before the season begins. So will: 

     

    Bobby Ryan, Niclas Bergefors, Peter Meuller, Chris Stewart, James Neal, Sam Gagner, Andrew Cogliano, Sean Bergenheim, Enver Lisn, and Steve Downie – who are all also RFA’s yet to sign with their teams. Only in Montreal do we have the panic button slammed over backup AHLers and common RFA negotiation tactics.

     

    Carey’s situation is no different. He has virtually no bargaining chips, and BOTH his agent and PG have said they expect to resolve the contract issue in due time. 

  452. nunacanadien says:

    What if Price got a better deal somewhere else, say Vancouver, and it turned out Gauthier was trying to land Nittimaki for cheap?  And we ended up with rent a goalies for this year?  And we’ll be saying, “what was wrong with Cedric and Halak?”

  453. Curtoph says:

    You don’t even make sense, its terrible!

  454. Bugs says:

    No baragaining chip? Oh, he’s got a baragaining chip, Nazzy.

    Goes like this: “gimme what I want or play Auld all year while I ‘find my game’ on the bench for a year then leave for free making you look like double-dorks for trading Halak away the year before.”

    That’s a pretty good bargaining chip

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  455. Bugs says:

    Everything good said about Desjardins was overhyped, unimportant tosh.

    Everything that makes him look like an nobody is the truth.

    Something like that then?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  456. StevieRay says:

    For some reason I though the end of August he had to be signed by ?

    Where does the ” Offer sheet ” come into play or does ?

  457. nunacanadien says:

    Sad part is not being able to trade, sign any other goalie now, like some team would want to trade for the rights to some Finnish player who doesn’t want to play in the NHL?  Unless Ramo is the logical successor to Price and the shocker that Price couldn’t agree on a price, and was allowed to walk away like L’Artiste?  That would leave us with just who and who to call up from the Bulldogs?  Aren’t there a certain limits on positions you can call up?  Or can the Habs have like ten goalies to make up for Carey Price sitting perpetually as a backup goalie like he did under Halak last year?  Another year where the Number 1 goalie sits as a backup.  Ok Pierre Gauthier, love your management style.  Then you let the guy who save your butt last year, Halak go.

  458. bwoar says:

    And it’s about damn time.  The team needs to pick a young goalie and stick with him, for better or worse, to get him the time to reach his potential.  It happens to be Price, fine with me.  Glad to see the PG won’t be pulling any panic moves and air-lifting in a wing and a prayer stop-gap like Desjardins when things get choppy.  That’s no way to develop a goalie.

    Not that it’s popular to say so, but for the first time in a while I get the feeling the “Price Gambit” is finally being played properly for the first time since Huet was traded.  Raises hopes, at the least.

  459. Bugs says:

    Molson says the same thing.

    Keep on laughin.

    Won’t change nuthin.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  460. bwoar says:

    I admit it’d be twisted fun to see that nightmare scenario come to fruition, if only to see guys like you squirm and shout and pronounce the ‘pokyclipse over the franchise…. there’s nothing like watching people who expect he worst having to swallow it when it comes down.  Keep it up! :-)

  461. mbplekfan says:

    We gave up an AHL player for a KHL player. Neither of whom is ever going to play for the habs.

    The lightining probably didnt want to give up a draft pick for this but we had to get something back for our goalie so Ramo was the easiest move.

    We free up a contract spot which is important and didnt lose anything.

    If we need an emergency goalie sometime this season one will be available for cheap.

  462. SeriousFan09 says:

    Poor ‘ol Chris Huet, he’s really suffering with his 5.6 million dollar a year contract Chicago has to pay him and that Cup Ring he’s going to get while not starting one game in the 2010 playoffs? Not to mention poor Jaroslav Halak, how is he supposed to live on 3.75 million a year and what’s his agent supposed to do in his free time now that he doesn’t have Carey Price to make fun of on Twitter?

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  463. pic1983 says:

    I cannot believe how many posts there are on this.  ITS CEDRIC DESJARDINS FOR KARI RAMO! This is the most insignificant deal of the summer!

    Talk about dog days of summer and slow news days….wow I cant believe what I am reading…

    Actually, this is montreal afterall so i shouldnt be surprised…

  464. Geoff F says:

    Here’s a little insight (trying to take the emotion out of the equation).  Here’s what Hockey Futures website grades both Karri Romo and Cedrick Desjardins.

    Karri Ramo = 7C 

    Cedrick Desjardins = 6.5C

    7 – Second line forward / No. 3-4 defenseman / journeyman No. 1 goaltender — players not quite good enough to play on the top line or pairing on a regular basis, but still possessing enough talent to contribute offensively, defend with some authority, or competently play the goaltender’s position for long stretches. Think Andrew Cassels, Jason Arnott, Darryl Sydor, Keith Carney, Dwayne Roloson, Jeff Hackett.

    6 – Third line forward / No. 5-6 defenseman / Backup Goaltender — generally speaking, players whose game is defensively-oriented, or whose abilities aren’t quite good enough to land full-time duty on the 2nd line, top two defensive pairings, or the No. 1 goaltending position. Think Kris Draper, Stephanne Yelle, Igor Ulanov, Brad Lukowich, Jussi Markkanen, Manny Legace.

    So based on talent analysis from Hockey futures Karri is projected as a journeyman #1 and Cedrick slated as a Backup.  Use that as you wish, but from what i’ve read i’m gathering the most logical option is that he takes over from Alex Auld in a year to back up Price (assuming the Habs can lure him back to the NHL).   So if Karri agrees to come back to the NHL and the talent analysis holds true, this trade favours the Habs.   (I’m not discussing the issue of concern about Karri not bringing any value this year, or whether he comes back to the NHL which i assume would have been discussed if he is the future #2, or whether it was a favour to Cedrick or it was making room for Robert Mayer etc.) 

    This is strictly an apples to apples comparison given what the experts are projecting and based on that alone the trade favours the Habs….slightly.

     

  465. Bill J says:

    You are growing to be more and more ignorant in your posts, just saying.

    So your aware, it is not ME who has decided that the Habs are not restricted to Francophones anymore.

    It happened about 70-80 years ago, when the ANGLOPHONE Montreal teams left the Canadiens as the SOLE Hockey team in MTL.

    The instant that happened, the Habs became a truly BILINGUAL entity.

    Learn to accept it Bunny Wabbit.

  466. LA Loyalist says:

    sometimes nothing is better than something.

  467. LA Loyalist says:

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

    this is a test.

     

  468. LA Loyalist says:

    here I am agreeing with nunacanadien, I can’t believe it. But leaving aside our debate as to whether or not Price is the reincarnation of Ken Dryden or Red-light Racicot – what if gets hurt for more than a couple of games? We have nothing but warm bodies to stick in there. 

    If he gets seriously injured we will have to trade from a very week position. I’m going to shut up and cheer for Price when the season starts, but this is good management? Putting all our eggs in one basket?

    All you geniuses please explain.

  469. SeriousFan09 says:

    Desjardins is in his mid-20s and to date has not shown the indication he has the ability to play at the NHL level. How long are we supposed to wait on the guy, 26, 27, 30? Robert Mayer’s about 4 years younger and has been considered to have a better upside by the team so he’s the logical player to favour it would seem. 

    Quebecers want more Quebecois and French-speaking players, it’s not the Canadiens fault they’re not around or aren’t interested in playing for Montreal. Fix up the Quebec junior system from being crap so it makes sense for Montreal to not wait until the 5th round to draft someone out of the Q. Quebec-born players play good politics by saying they’d all like to play in MTL, than sign large contracts elsewhere rather than come home because they like money or don’t want to deal with the pressure, or both.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  470. Mark C says:

    How is Cerdrick a sure thing to fill-in and give at least NHL average goaltending? More so, how is Cerdrick a better option than Auld and Sanford (Cedrick and Sanford had pretty much the same AHL numbers last year, while Auld was in the NHL)?

    If Price gets hurt for a long period of time, Montreal will likely have to make a trade. However, this was the case yesterday morning as well.

     

  471. LA Loyalist says:

    I spent quite a bit of time last week sitting in the Habs dressing room at the HHOF – and to tell you the truth, it just made me sad.

    What is Gauthier’s plan? Would someone please explain to us poor slobs who are gravely concerned about the future of our team.

    “to failing hands we’ve passed the torch”

     

  472. Chorske says:

    Yeah, but the market value on prima donna holdout problem children has kinda dried up, no? Not sure how many takers he’d find after a year on the bench, “finding his game” as it were. Not much flavour to that chip.

    We will make 1000 posts on this ridiculous thread if it effing kills me. ;)

  473. PrimeTime says:

    Well done, Sir!

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  474. ZepFan2 says:

    Of course you were sad. You were in Toronto, who wouldn’t be!?

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    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  475. LA Loyalist says:

    Ha! Thanks for cheering me up.

  476. Bugs says:

    That might be true for any other goalie. But not for the Future of Goaltending.

    You think NO ONE would JUMP at Carey next year? Philly wouldn’t want’m anymore? Edmonton? Vancouver?

    Oh, I think he’d find takers alright.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  477. PrimeTime says:

    How do you explain to a pessimist that “everything will be alright” and make it stick?? I think you’ll be surprised at the team’s performance this year – not dominant but very competitive and exciting. What more would you want out of season that provides no guarantees to anybody no matter what plans are in place?

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  478. Bugs says:

    How does what they earn now relate to my point that they were cleared to make way for Price?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  479. JIMVINNY says:

    Sitting out for a year doesn’t grant him free-agent status, does it?  He’s still an RFA, property of the habs, for the next four seasons, as far as I know.

  480. The Cat says:

    Interesting points. Nice to see a Price fan who isnt so aggressive.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  481. Bugs says:

    Uhh, so WHEN was Desjardins supposed to come up in the last 4 years with Carey and Halak here? Whose spot was he supposed to take?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  482. Bugs says:

    I admit, I’m not sure. I thought he had to accept a one-year deal and then he’d be free. But if it’s four, no wonder he wants the bucks.

    So don’t listen to me.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  483. since1988 says:

    in other news courtesy of eklunds twitter

    i am thinking of taking a jobi in Edmonton…shouldI?:)

     

     

    Thoughts?

  484. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    I see this trade as one that will haunt the Habs down the road. I’ve seen Cedric play in Cincinnati and some AHL all-star moments. The guy has a very bright future ahead of him. Yzerman is no fool! Ramo has already proven he’s average at best in the NHL. Cedric will get his chance in the NHL and make some noise.

    If Halak and Desjardins blossom, their needs to be a shake-up. I just don’t see these moves in the off season benefiting the playing level of the team!

  485. Curtoph says:

    The main reason he wants a shorter contract is because he wasn’t the starter last year, so his value with the Canadiens won’t give him a huge pay raise right now, he wants to prove he’s worth more and then sign a bigger longer contract while he is still RFA here.

    That’s what they are probably taking their time to agree on a contract that works for both sides.

  486. The Cat says:

    I agree. One has to think Boucher had his say in this too.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  487. LA Loyalist says:

    I hope I am wrong. But I think the reality cheque is in the mail and it’s going to arrive in October:

    1. We have ONE goalie who is far from proven, and we no longer have the luxury of allowing him more time to develop. This is it. The pressure on Price this year will be tremendous. I hope he blossoms under it, but if he falters we are screwed.

    2. We need a Souray/Streit type attacking defenceman to complement Markov. We are too dependent on Markov – proven by what has happens when he gets hurt. Hopefully it will be PK, he sure looked promising in the playoffs.

    3. We badly need a big center with the balls to go to the net. He doesn’t even need to have the best hands, just create chaos in the attacking zone which in hockey equals opportunity for our good wingers. But because we are boat-anchored with Gomez’s contract and lack of performance ( -6 2 goals in playoffs), we have no cap room to acquire this rare commodity.

    4. In case you haven’t noticed, Boston, Tampa and Leafs all improved over the summer. Have we? Really? I like LeBlanc and Tinordi in the pipeline, but they are a couple of years out.

    Mainly, and even I’m getting bored ranting about it, I don’t see a plan, I don’t see a conceptual style. I see a car built out of spare parts. Sorry. Time will tell.

  488. SeriousFan09 says:

    How about Marc Denis or Curtis Sanford’s position as #1 in Hamilton and not because they’re injured? That would be a start. If he couldn’t hold the #1 job in Hamilton it pretty much precludes him from being even a No. 2 in Montreal. He was playing in the ECHL 4 years ago and spent the last two in the AHL exclusively and failed to solidly claim the #1 job in either year there.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  489. LA Loyalist says:

    call up Pronger and Souray and ask them :)

    seriously, how much long underwear do you own?

  490. JIMVINNY says:

    Selective hearing, Bugs, that’s my MO. 

     

    I’m pretty sure that there are 4 years remaining on his RFA status, which is why I’m pretty sure he won’t sit out.  I think he and the team will settle for a one or two year, low-dollar value contract if they can’t agree on anything else before camp. 

  491. GuyDoon says:

    I must admit I too have underestimated something: the Love for Desjardins on this board.

    The way I see it is that the Habs organization has always been reknown for being classy. This trade falls under that. Desjardins was a great prospect no doubt, but he wasn’t going to see action in Montreal in the time that Desjardins needs it to happen for HIS career. Much like many previous Habs players past: Steve Begin comes to mind. So what do the Habs do? They trade him somewhere he is wanted (Boucher must have had something to say about it) and Montreal gets a “futures” – a “maybe someday he plays for us, but maybe he doesn’t”. We tend to always look at players as bargaining chips, as assets. They are people too: friends. husbands, fathers. They need to make a living just as you and I. This is a good human story. Embrass it! It’s good karma.

  492. LA Loyalist says:

    thanks M. Bugs for uploading photo tips, going to try it now. Agree with you on Price game show.

  493. The Cat says:

    The plan has been Carey Price ever since he got to Montreal.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  494. SeriousFan09 says:

    Huet was moved out because he wasn’t going to be au reliable No. 1 goalie and the organization knew it, they felt Price could be and Halak was capable of being a reliable backup. Huet since he has left has never solidly held a No. 1 position in the league so I’d say the team did well to move on. Halak was moved out because Price was the cheaper, younger goalie and they still are confident he can become the goaltender he was in the first year and a half of his NHL career.

    Mayer could potentially be bigger competition for Price considering he’s hitting the AHL at a younger age compared to Desjardins and again, could be argued to have higher upside and therefore, potentially rise up to be real competition.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  495. Bugs says:

    Played 45 games. Had the best GAA in his league.

    That’s a fail?

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  496. ProHabs says:

    Goalies are a dime a dozen. If Price gets hurt this year, the team can just go out and sign Ray Emery for a month. He can be our goalie and add some toughness to our team.

  497. ZepFan2 says:

    Apparently so. lol

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    After admiring the Stanley Cup: “This is the only thing that has seen more parties than us.”
    – Steven Tyler

  498. LA Loyalist says:

    Well that was easy. Now I know what apparently was clear to everyone else here. I just couldn’t believe that such a risky plan was our tent pole. 

    Yes Dryden and Roy were young, but they proved themselves immediately. Price is a project who has proven nothing yet. Maybe he will, neither I nor anyone else, including management, can be sure. Is he mentally tough enough?

    Last year we had Halak to fall back on.

    What do we have now?

  499. The Cat says:

    Its going to be hard. That goalie evidently cant be french speaking, nor can he have the ability to outdo Price.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  500. Bugs says:

    Restricted? We were never restricted.

    No, when the other teams left, we REMAINED how we always were.

    And none of my “ignorance” seems to affect Pierre Boivin who said the SAME thing when putting Gauthier in place. So “accepting” it or not changes nothing.

    Doesn’t matter what I say; doesn’t matter what YOU say. That’s the way it’s gonna be.

    We’re different than the other 29 teams you can’t wait to be assimilated into; we’re unique. And not only are unique, we have 24 Stanley Cups that SINGLES us out even more from the rabble.

    So no, Billy, we’re never gonna change. Le Club de hockey canadien. That’s who we are. As we always were. as we’ll always be.

    No matter how brilliantly you argue the contrary, that ain’t ever gonna change, even with my “unaccepting ignorance” taken into account.

    Sorry.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  501. REB says:

    To all those who are saying we no longer have an ECHL affiliate…read the 2nd paragraph

     http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=535885

  502. Bugs says:

    Huey was on fire when he got traded. Miracled Washington into the playoffs if you remember. Huey was winning MORE than the Priceberg at the time. So with the kid starting to melt against Boston than shanking it completely against Philly, Huey would’ve done worse??? I dunno…

    That second round pick was more important than what Huey could’ve given us for the rest of the year as he did for Washington by winning what 11 out’ve 14? He WOULDN’T’VE beaten Boston in 7 with non-scoring team they had? C’mon, Yahoo.

    He was cleared to make way for Price.

    I mean, what did Bob Gainey say? Did he say “we feel that the Kid is ready to take over the duties” or did he say “boy, that 2nd round pick was just to good to pass up”? C’mon.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  503. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes but Sanford was credited with 41GP which means both goalies were swapped in for the other over the 80-game season and his GAA was 3rd-best in the league which I would argue gives good credit to the Bulldogs team and defensive system more than Desjardins being a league standout. A standout was Jonathan Bernier’s .936 Save % with Manchester and a 2.03 GAA, on a team that wasn’t as good as the Habs and required much excellence as their GF/GA difference was 13 in favour of GF, the Bulldogs had close to 60 in favour of GF on the season. He didn’t solidly claim the job and play 55+ games and was pulled in the AHL playoffs when he faltered in favour of Sanford, cold off the bench and had been recovering from an ankle injury.

    He didn’t fail, but he didn’t distinguish himself that much above Sanford and failed to perform when it counted the most, the playoffs.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  504. JIMVINNY says:

    You used to be rational, Cat, but now you’re just being silly. 

  505. WarHero says:

    This is the most accurate post I have read in regards to Carey’s situation. Props to you! Thie issue here is not money and never has been, it’s all about the term. By signing a 2 year contract it also allows him 2 years of arbitration rights. I really wish people would look at ALL the facts. It would certainly help with the validity of the posts.

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    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  506. The Cat says:

    Just checking to see if you’re paying attention Jimvinny. Seriously I believe it, but who knows, no competition or possible distractions might work in the end like Bwoar said down below.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  507. B says:

    I don’t believe that offer sheets have their own deadline, but the same rule would apply that players unsigned by Dec. 1st are not allowed to play for the remainder of that season.

  508. SeriousFan09 says:

    Huet didn’t hold the fort in 2006 for MTL against Carolina and Washington has raised more than one goalie to look good with their offence-only strategy that lets them blow out their SE division rivals quite a bit, not to mention the Capitals lost the first round of the 2008 playoffs. Theodore had an insane record by the end of the 2010 season as well, Habs had him out of nets by the first period of Game 2.

    Huet couldn’t be a standout goalie when he had either the best, or 2nd-best defence in the NHL in 2010, the guy was never that good and while he has hot streaks, he never stays hot enough, long enough to be a bonafide No. 1 man. The team knew this, they’d had Huet in nets for several years and knew his limits, which were that he never stayed hot long enough to guarantee a playoff series win or a winning season.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  509. The Cat says:

    Actually I think the habs philosophy is to have great goaltending and a great powerplay. Its been years since I seen the club be any good or make an effort to be good at even strength (drafting size down the middle).

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  510. Bugs says:

    Carolina had scorers; Boston didn’t. Huey would not have done worse than the Kid in 2008, considering he was playing TEN tikmes better than he was in 2006 at the time. we both know that, Yahoo. I AGREE with you that he wasn’t in the plans long-term BECAUSE he shanked it against Carolina, but he would NOT have done worse than the Kid against Boston and Philly.

    Taking that into account, losing him for free but taking ADVANTAGE of his 2008 hot-streak was worth MUCH more than a 2nd round pick.

    He was cleared to make way for Price.

    Like Halak was.

    And maybe Desjardins. Possibly. Conceivably.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  511. Bugs says:

    Excellent.

    Now do Ramo.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  512. LA Loyalist says:

    Ok. For that to work we also have to have a great PK, which I think we are OK on, actually.

    Problem is unless you have so much firepower (like Washington, for example) that it doesn’t matter much who’s in net, it always comes down to the goalie.

     

  513. SeriousFan09 says:

    I have the same expectation for Ramo that I ever had for Desjardins, maybe being a backup in Montreal in a yrear or two and that’s about it. Ramo didn’t have a good start to the NHL, but Tampa was garbage and Ramo was started without getting good development, he was tossed in too young when it’s obvious he doesn’t have Carey’s talent level (Neither does Desjardins) but he was Price’s age when he started in nets, hardly a fair shake for a 6th-round pick. Desjardins had the benefit of a strong development path and Ramo didn’t, so I’m interested to see with what Ramo can do after a couple of years to refine himself in the KHL.

    I’ve got the same expectation for Robert Mayer and Pettiri Simila as well, maybe they’ll be something in the future but I never expected any of them based on what they’ve done so far to become competition for a No. 1 spot in Montreal.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  514. mbplekfan says:

    We have a goalie who is up and coming. Obviously the mgmt feels it is Carey’s time to be the #1 guy.

    We got better in the playoffs by adding Subban. This kid is going to change the whole complexion of our team. Once Markov gets back we will have either Markov or Subban on the ice 50 out of 60 minutes. We will have a premier puck moving, offensive threat  on the ice most of the game.  That will dramatically change how other teams defend against our attack.

    It will also free up the forwards from having to carry the puck up the ice. The forward lines will be able to spread out and find attacking positions while PK carries the puck. Sure he will make rookie mistakes but he is a definite offensive upgrade and a better all around hockey player than MAB.

    Eller is bigger than Metro, he is bigger than Moore and represents a top flight prospect. This is an automatic upgrade to our forwards.

    This team got better over the summer and will be a more legitimate threat most nights.

  515. aemarchand11 says:
    I dont see the big deal with this trade at all.

    Desjardins is 25, and will not likely be more than an NHL Backup. Ramo is 24, and will not likely be more than an NHL backup.

    Ramo does however, have NHL Experience. While he did not really perform well with TB, he also had Torts for a coach and a horrible team in front of him.

    Auld has signed a 1 year contract, Ramo should return to the NHL in 2011 and can play backup for Price…

    Go Habs Go! 2010-2011

  516. WarHero says:

    AWESOME POST! Someone finally brought up this point! Thank you!

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    Never judge another man’s decision poor until you actually have proof of it failing!

  517. ProHabs says:

    Hahaha. Make Kaberle a number 1 center. And this guy thinks it is possible because 1 other defenceman was successful in doing this 60 years ago. Why don’t they make Komisarek his winger, maybe he is the next power forward superstar.

  518. Curtoph says:

    Yeah, everything always is Gauthier’s fault for giving away something or doing a bad trade, but really they are letting him go where he will given a chance sooner than later, while we have other goalies that will benefit from him going as well, i dont’ see this trade actually harming anyone involved.

  519. nunacanadien says:

    Actually it is insurance factor in this, you have Cedric who shows the same promise Carey did, and we trade that potential backup goalie?  Considering we gave up another good goalie recently who as the backup goalie played as the starter all year, and traded him for what, especially after Halak showed promise.  Especially when we have no guarantee of Ramo.  And Dan Ellis who we acquired became an unrestricted free agent July 1, but I guess Gauthier never had plans for Ellis to begin with.  This whole goal tending issue is just shame, and whats worse is terrible moves.

  520. nunacanadien says:

    Is that you Pierre Gauthier?  Now we know why our netminding is a mess!

  521. nunacanadien says:

    Well when we don’t have any good goalie signed, of course any team would be excited to have Desjardins after he had a good season last year with the Bulldogs.

  522. RGM says:

    600+ comments on Cedrick Desjardins. This is most certainly the most a hockey community has ever talked about him, or ever will again.

    —————————————– Josh Gorges for Captain!

  523. SnowManHabs85 says:

    How long was Desjardins gonna settle being in the AHL even this season if he wasn’t gonna NHL ice time? You’re right, the Habs trade him at the right time for maybe a back-up for Price when Auld’s contract expires. This still doesn’t affect our Habs at all this season.

  524. Mark C says:

    *Posted this in the Guy thread, however it seems the link hasn’t been posted here yet. Enjoy.

    Ramo talks to Radio Canada.

    Sounds like he is all about returning to the NHL next year. Also, calls the situation in TB a mess, and coupled with uncertain playing time being the reasons he left.

    http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/hockey/2010/08/18/001-habs-ramo.shtml

  525. nunacanadien says:

    Not much choice, given Desjardin’s great season he had last year, wonder what’s wrong with Gauthier?  I guess if Desjardin didn’t want to stay they let him go.  Too bad.  I guess Desjardins and any goalie worth any salt would shudder at thinking about signing in Montreal and to wreak the wrath of Price fans for winning, like Halak felt, and making Price look bad.  Monteal is screwed as long as Price is around, its a no win situation in nets.

  526. nunacanadien says:

    What is most glaring and what hockey analyst will pick up on, is Gauthier is playing a dangerous game of brinkmanship, and he has no backup, unless he has Nittimaki wanting to play in Montreal, what other aces is Gauthier gonna pull out?  What good calibre of a goalie do we have to rent out there?  Especially when you consider what Gauthier gave up in return for an uncertain future.

  527. B says:

    Auld is Montreal’s backup. Behind him on the depth chart lies Sanford and Mayer.
    Niittymaki signed a 2 year $4M contract with San Jose. Unsigned goalies include Theodore, Toskala, Emery, Valiquette, Dubielewicz, Johnson, Caron and Legace.

  528. habstrinifan says:

    Agree!

  529. The Cat says:

    I think with Halak being sent off with no attempts to talk turkey, no one is nor will be a threat to Price. I know people will say Im a Nordiques fan, Im not a true fan etc but Id say the same if this was the SJ Sharks, but this organization is getting close to being obssessive/insane.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  530. TripleX says:

    I am in no way as knowledgeable about players in the minor leagues as you are.  So what do you make of this trade?  If they are both minor league goalies that have no impact then why make the move?

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  531. SeriousFan09 says:

    Could go either way is all I can really honestly say, Ramo might have had a jump in his game after the KHL season and was noted by the Habs scouts, some goalies take longer to mature (Craig Anderson is close to 30 and he just had his first starting gig in the NHL) or perhaps the Canadiens organization wasn’t as impressed by Desjardin’s progress or didn’t think the areas of his game that needed work would improve to the point where he could even be a backup in the NHL.

    Both sides figure they can make the other guy’s goalie better to work in their system, it happens now and then. See what happens but anyone watching Desjardins play could see he was at least another year before you could even entertain him being a backup in the NHL.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  532. TripleX says:

    Maybe it is the natural cynic in me, but it just smells rotten. xD

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  533. SeriousFan09 says:

    After the last two decades of trades, it’s only natural a Habs fan thinks his team got hosed in the deal made.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  534. Mark C says:

    Montreal has Curtis Sanford, he had pretty much the same season as Desjardins.

  535. EricInStL says:

    What you do is promise them something that will keep them. Obviously we don’t know what happened and what was discussed. But I would hope they tried to keep them.

     

    They obviously don’t own us anything in terms of answers but show you tried something.

    I do believe Boucher is going to be better than JM…. At least get a draft pick for the guy. Didn’t Phil Esposito give a draft pick for Bergeron ?

     

  536. SeriousFan09 says:

    How were they supposed to ‘protect’ themselves from actively trading away a goalie prospect for another goalie prospect? Should they have spat in Guy Boucher’s face publically by refusing to allow him to interview for NHL work? Or done the same with Julien Brisebois? Who wants to go work for an organization that would actively sabotage your chances at finding better employment and does it publically? Nobody.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  537. nunacanadien says:

    This is a sad pathetic year losing Halak, and knowing we have pint sized team that struggled against Chris Pronger.  Sure Gill shone during the playoffs and was hot and cold throughout the year, and Cammy shone most of the year.  But hey the rest needs plenty of work, and I can’t see Jacques Martin running a perpertual hockey camp to upgrade the mostly young Habs team we have now.

  538. LA Loyalist says:

    Glad to see you haven’t drop the ball, nunacanadien :) We will cheer for our team but we’ll hold management to the fire for their bad decisions :)

  539. LA Loyalist says:

    Happy story – just wanted to share with you guys that my son (7) attended Moore family hockey camp in Toronto at St. Mike’s last week (Ivy Hockey Academy). Dominic, Steve and Mark were all there, they worked diligently and kindly with the kids. My boy was thrilled to get one on one time with Dominic Moore.

    They were good to the kids, worked really hard while making sure they had fun. They are really classy guys and when Montreal Canadiens don’t have a place for a player like Dominic Moore (yeah it’s a business, but…) it worries me.

    The Moore bros really walk the walk, no prima donna attitude at all. They really took care of the kids, and their own educational accomplishments (two of them went to Harvard) are also an example I can use with my boy.

    Just sharing. It was a great experience and I highly recommend it. The old-time rink at St. Mike’s was great, too.

     

  540. Chorske says:

    Thanks for a great and uplifting post. What an awesome experience. Glad to hear Steve Moore is still involved in hockey- and in such a positive context, too. 

  541. madcap_habsfan says:

     

    terrific post. :) it’s nice to know the sport has some great role models for young kids who take the time to help out and have fun with fans

    -“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” Chuck Palahniuk

  542. SeriousFan09 says:

    Great story!

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  543. SmartDog says:

    On a different note, I love how all these Habs press releases say “we wanted this guy to have a chance to succeed elsewhere”.  I love how humanitarian this organization is.  Boucher, his whole staff, Desjardins, Moore… yeah, we really hope you guys all go on to win Stanley Cups soon.  God bless, and drop us a postcard when you do. 

    ———
    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  544. Bugs says:

    Nice!

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Assistant Head Honcho to what goes down in Chinatown, Big Cheese at Flannelcorp Media, and Lead Copy-boy at Habsbros Hard Data Factory: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  545. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pretend you run a company and it’s become known you actively sabotage your employees from getting better jobs, what kind of people do you think are going to apply? If you wrote down ‘people who are probably not the best in their field or not at all ambitious’, pour yourself a drink and calm down. Think about what it would look like if the Canadiens prevented their organizational personnel from applying for jobs. Detroit didn’t stand in the way of Stevie Y going to Tampa and Washington, one of the best teams in the league at flipping first-round selections didn’t block Carriere from leaving to join Montreal.

    If I released a press release saying “Goodbye and good riddance to this hack, we’ve had enough of his seflish contract demands or playing time” than your organization probably takes a hit in the ‘ol PR Department as well.

     

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  546. Sith says:

    I was thinking of the same thing

  547. HUDSONHAB says:

    I hav’nt been on here for a while but I see things have not changed. The goalie debate still rages.

    Get over it and move on to 2010/2011.

     ….Hab4life….

  548. mrhabby says:

    wow and this is news i guess.

  549. GuyDoon says:

    In summary:

    Ramo will be next year’s backup if Montreal can bring him back from KHL. PG gives Desjardins a chance to play somewhere where he can get to the NHL while bringing Mayer up to the Bulldogs as reward for excelling in ECHL playoffs. Boucher loved Desjardins last year and nudges Stevie Y to get him. Desjardin will push the Tampa goalies in AHL while they season they’re future NHLers.

    Fast forward:

    In 2012-13, Ramo has shootout win over Desjardins in Quebec City, in a battle of backup goalies.

  550. tophab says:

    you must be brain dead.

  551. LA Loyalist says:

    You’re missing the point. when it counted, Price choked.

     

  552. LA Loyalist says:

    Also thank you for all your hard work putting the stats together. Oh that they supported your argument, but they don’t.

    Hope I’m wrong!

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

     

  553. Habsforlife 1959 says:
    2009-2010 – Regular Season
    2009-2010 – 2008-2009›
    Game Dec GA SA Sv Sv% SO PIM TOI EV GA PP GA EN GA EN GA
    10 Apr ’10   TOR @ MTL O 4 28 24 .857 0 0 62:06 3 0 1 0
    08 Apr ’10   MTL @ CAR L 4 32 28 .875 0 0 59:21 3 1 0 1
    06 Apr ’10   MTL @ NYI O 3 42 39 .929 0 0 65:00 3 0 0 0
    03 Apr ’10   BUF @ MTL W 0 29 29 1.000 1 0 60:00 0 0 0 0
    02 Apr ’10   MTL @ PHI W 0 35 35 1.000 1 0 60:00 0 0 0 0
    27 Mar ’10   NJD @ MTL L 3 25 22 .880 0 0 59:20 1 2 0 1
    25 Mar ’10   FLA @ MTL W 1 24 23 .958
  554. nunacanadien says:

    Oh geeze, considering Price got yanked for most of those victories, heck which should rightfully be Halaks!  So let’s get the real picture here, you’re saying Price’s win records are good enough to have had Price play the whole of the playoff season no matter how limited it was, and that Halak’s wins that helped us squeak in could have been won by Price?  I’m sorry, even hockey wives know victories and losses.  Price’s record so far has not been great, in spite of your pathetic effort to make him look good.  Heck why don’t you guys go work for the laffs compiling stats for the losing side?  Heck I’m sure you could make the laffs look like a contender.  This is like people taking paintings of the Mona Lisa, and translating them to numbers and trying to find a reason.  Get over it, Halak was the better goalie already, we saw, the world saw.  Too bad.

  555. PrimeTime says:

    Man – this has to be the dumbest thread yet. Only in Montreal do fans endlessly talk about goaltending. This trade does not deserve the attention it is getting. It’s freakin’ MEANINGLESS!! Desjardin was deep on the depth chart and not “a prospect”. Sanford overtook him in the opinion of the organization. Ramo is a body to fill a spot – nothing more and nothing less. If anything, he’s an upgrade because he has a little experience. Neither goalie will likely ever see any NHL minutes. Desjardins will have the same role in the Tampa organization as he did with the Habs. I’m sure all you cynics and speculators can entertain us with something just a little more interesting.

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  556. mrstewart61 says:

    And since Ramo is still under conttract for a year in the K, the Habs save the $65k they were paying Desjardins in the A.  That’s all it is.  We must be desparate for the start of the season.

    ———————————————————————————————————————- If a man speaks in a forest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?

  557. HardHabits says:

    Hey everybody. PT has spoken. No need to comment here any further. Move on to the next topic.

  558. punkster says:

    I think you and HH should really work on that bet. With so many weeks left until camp that would add some excitement here ;)

    FREE TIMO!

  559. Puck Bard says:

    A meaningless trade, Posters removing their shirts who shouldn’t, and everyone itching for a fight…

    Can we please get to camp already?  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

  560. RiverviewCanadien says:

    simpleton (NICE)…I am not the one arguing here. I just hate the excuses made for Price all the time, why do you persistently have to argue and create all these funny stats to justify Price is SUPREME! All I know is that Halak has very similar stats to Price without getting the regular ice time…Price had a FAR superior team in front of him in 07/08 and he still could not post the same numbers…I am not saying Price is not good, I just think Halak is better.

    I WANT PRICE TO BE GOOD! OK! NOW GET OVER IT!

  561. K-hab25 says:

    Maybe it had something to do with the team scoring almost a full goal per(something like.80) game more for Halak. The team scored 3+ goals for Halak, 13 more times than they did for Price. How interesting that # 13 is, maybe because that was the difference in there win totals. Halak definitely played better than Price last season, theres no debate about that. Just like theres no debating the team scored more goals for Halak and Halak played fewer playoff teams, thus had an easier schedule. Don’t try and make it sound like it was easy as Halak made that one more stop and Price didn’t, because fact is even when Price did, he lost and when Halak didn’t he still won. I mean Price makes 53 saves, loses 2-0. Halak gets lit up for 5 and wins 6-5. That is how last season went. Even when Price was excellent, he lost and even when Halak was awful, he won.There #’s weren’t that different, for Halak to end up with twice as many wins. There was alot more to it, than simply Halak made the stops and Price didn’t. Thats just BS.

  562. RiverviewCanadien says:

    1 game Price was lit up and lost (and he was great that game), but maybe, and just an opinion, they scored more because Halak made on average that 1 great save to give the team life…Also with Halak you are leaving out the fact that he came off the bench very cold at times and still performed.

    Halak was not awful very often, go look at his stats K-hab25…his stats PROVE how good he was.

    The point you seem to keep bringing up is that the TEAM scored more goals…shouldn’t that tell you something? Honestly why do YOU think the team scored more?

  563. K-hab25 says:

    You, like LA are trying to make it more simple than what it was. Halak played 11 more games against non playoff teams and got the majority of his starts after Markov was back and after the team had months to gel. Price started 18 games the first 2 months and only 5 the last 2 when the team was playing better. Halak on the other hand got 8 starts the first 2 months and 14 starts the last 2.I took there 2 months they had there most starts in, here are the results. Price started 19 games in NOV/DEC with a 2.55 GAA and a .923 sv%, yet he finished those months 8-8-3. Halak on the other hand started 18 games in DEC/MAR with a 2.44 GAA and a .926%, yet he finished 12-5-1, with nearly identical stats. Now your theory is Halak made the extra save or the team scored more because Price gave up a late or untimely goal. Well here’s a few facts to think about in Prices 18 starts he gave up 46 goals, the team scored 43 goals. In Halaks 18 starts he gave up 44 goals, the team scored 58 goals. They scored 15 more goals, in 18 games. How many games would Halak have won if the team would’ve scored 43 goals for him? How many could Price have won had the team scored 58 goals for him? Let me answer that, 4. Which would’ve changed Prices record to 12-4-3 and Halaks to 8-9-1. Spare me the simpleton point of view, of he made the extra save, because when you actually do the research, you’ll find it’s alot deeper than that.

  564. G-Man says:

    If Habs management is worrying about RDS and not the players on the ice, they are too stupid to be believed. However, after all their bright bulb moves this summer, anything is possible.

  565. mbplekfan says:

    Too many goaltenders under contract. Trade one for a KHL prospect. Problem solved.

    Plus no franco in the minors for the RDS crowd to stir the pot with.

  566. likehoy says:

    it has been a long summer…i’m getting sucked into the dumbest debate ever.

  567. habstrinifan says:

    Still unsure of how to react or respond to this trade.

    However it seems to me that P. Gauthier has spent the summer making moves that ‘resolve’ problem issues on our current roster and in the process acquiring ‘prospects’ and also reducing salary.

    The trending theory in the NHL is that a) you need ‘taller’ goalies and b) you may not need a ‘superstar’ goalie to make noise in the playoffs.

    Ramo is taller. Based on the draft, his original assessment was higher than Desjardins. His NHL experience while short is greater. His potential may (and I say may) be greater than Desjardins. And he is not Russian and may be less tied to the KHL.

    I am gonna sit back and see how this pans out. I have approved of PG’s problem solving approach so far. So I will include this trade as one of them. Which problem does this move solve? I am taking the coward’s way out on that one.

    I like your last line. Let’s see what happens.

  568. SeriousFan09 says:

    Can’t say this move makes sense, Desjardins has superior AHL numbers compared to Ramo’s previous AHL stints and Ramo spent last year in the low-scoring KHL, which is the first time his GAA has dipped below 3 in his professional career I think. The scouts must have seen something in the KHL I guess. He’s close to the same age as Desjardins, see what happen I guess.

    Further nail in the coffin of the argument th Canadiens favouring Les Quebecois though.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  569. huge_polar_bear says:

    There’s the answer, with Desjardin in Hamilton as soon as Price would hit a hard patch RDS and Le Journal de Mtl. would be doing 24hr/day coverage of Desjardin and they would be stiring the pot.

  570. DAVE. N says:

    ..Would be interesting to see how this plays out if Price is not signed by training camp….

  571. Ian Cobb says:

    There is definitely something else in the wind yet with the Bolts. This deal has something else attached for sure.  I am trying to figure out what it is. This is not over.!!!!!

    Need to look at both teams roster including the farms of both. I just wonder if we are going to pull off a major swap yet with them. 2 for 1 or possibly more.

    Wonder if we are getting one of their big guns.?

  572. Everlasting1 says:

    Is this organization guided by their lower based reptilian instinct, or are they simply possessed by said entities?

     

     

    Don’t pollute the water.

  573. Ian Cobb says:

    Molson boys will get things in order.

  574. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So really I don’t think the trade has an impact on the team, but why is everyone arguing about Desjardins not even playing the playoffs, is that supposed to show he is not that good? Obviously if Boucher/Stevie Y wanted him, he is good. Everyone was so pissed we lost Boucher, there must be something good about the guy.

    If that is your argument, Price did not play in the playoffs either (but he is phenomenal, no?), we had a playoff hero – HALAK – and they traded him away. Now they have Auld, Sanford, Mayer (come on already), and no #1. It is the middle of August and an RFA goalie is not even signed. WTF is up here in Habsland?

  575. Rugger says:

    Can we wait a bit to see if Stevie Y (I call him that because i can never remember how to spell his last name) and Boucher actually can walk on water before declaring anyone they want must be good?

  576. Number31 says:

    Habs don’t have an ECHL team anymore. Robert Mayer has a longer deal
    attached to him and is a technically stronger goalie than Ced. Mayer
    needs a home and will most likely backup Sanford while Ramo stays in
    Russia for another year. Peter Delmas (former Avs 2nd rounder) was
    invited to rookie camp but will probably stay in the Q as an overager
    (he’s not a bad goalie and the Mooseheads kind of sucked this past
    season, but the hip injury is a bit of a flag). It only becomes a
    problem if Sanford gets hurt which happens quite often, actually…

    Down
    in Tampa, Ced will be splitting duties with Tokarski in Norfolk because they aren’t too
    happy with Jaroslav Janus’ development (who will most likely be in the
    ECHL).

    It’s the goalie two-step.

  577. Jordio-oh says:

    Most of what has been needed to say has been said (ie. all of SeriousFan09’s comments) but I’ll just let this one fly too because it makes alot of sense to me:

    Drama queens and armchair GMs. The swap of two minor leaguers and the rabble is roused. It’s a slow summer.

    I love this place!!!

     

    In the overall, I can somewhat understand people for putting the magnifying glass on a pretty insignificant deal; Its the off season, its hot out, some of us are bored or stressed out for whatever reasons. I’m just puzzled over the praise for Desjardins when he hasn’t even played a single NHL game yet. I’ll agree that I haven’t always loved the moves management has made, but getting this worked up over this type of trade is kind of ridiculous.

  578. nunacanadien says:

    I seem to recall the same praise for another young goalie who never played in the NHL.  And still praise for him even after he showed very few wins in the NHL, and had to have his backup goalie basically play most of the games last year.  I seem to recall this young goalie was also considered as a minor league move.  What you really see as a fan, is what really happens.  Halak replaced Price last year, its sad when the backup goalie has to save the team time and again.  This is another version of Halak with a different look, but another backup goalie who will have to again save Price.  Just replace the euro/russian’s name in place of Halak.  Another year of hearing about how great Price is, while we watch his backup goalie play all the games.

  579. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    This one reminds me of the Moore trade, although opposite in some ways. I thought that getting Moore was a fine idea, but that a 2nd round pick was a little more than we should have given up.

    In this case, I don’t care about losing Desjardins. His upside was an NHL backup, which can be easily replaced. The point is, clearly TB wanted him, so we should have done better than Ramo. I would have preferred a draft pick, or a more promising prospect. If they want Desjardins, make them pay for him.

    Yes, it’s a nothing trade, but I want more nothing than the nothing we got. Bucketloads of nothing for me, please.

  580. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I am like you, I really could care less, but it is the fact Boucher/Stevie Y wanted him and we really got nothing of use.

  581. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Read this article by Eric Engels

  582. Mats Naslund says:

    Normally I respect EE’s opinion a great deal – but he hasn’t thought this one through very hard. The Habs are now developing 5 goalies at the AHL level or higher. The trade facilitated this. Ramo plays in Europe, and if there is a spot when he’s finished, the Habs will have his rights. This trade allows them to get a 20 year old prospect AHL playing time this season. Desjardins was a plug. A good one, but one of many.

  583. Mark C says:

    Did he really write that Cedrick is the best AHL French Canadian prospect, over Jonathan Bernier? Really?

    And why does he consider Cedrick “a top prospect,” he is by no means a top prospect.

  584. punkster says:

    RVC, your link just spurred me to comment on sports journalists in general is certainly not an attack or trashing of your opinion on this trade.

    Any media hack worth is salt is going to come down on one side or the other of any debate. This is no exception. I enjoy EE articles but don’t always agree with him just as I don’t always agree with any sports journalist. They don’t get paid to simply report the news but to generate readership or hits. They do this by taking a position, a position which will be agreeable to some and disapproved by others.

    Does a sports journalist ever write “I don’t know what this deal means in the short or long term so we’ll have to wait and see”? Wouldn’t generate alot of interest from that. But say something like “Here’s a possible scenario behind this deal…” and the airwaves, internet are abuzz and the papers fly off the shelves (well, not so much these days). The possible scenario doesn’t have to be realistic or even factual at times, just an opinion geared to generate revenue for the media.

    OK, now that I’ve spewed all that what do I think of EE’s position? Another interesting viewpoint, another angle, another possible scenario, for sure. Just as there are about 10 different scenarios being proposed on HI/O today. None of which can possibly be proven as actual, factual or relevant until some point in the future. Just as the predicted result of any other trade can’t be proven until after the games are played. That’s why we sweat the summer months until that first puck drop in the fall and why we hang on every game through the dark cold winter; to see the results. I’ll wait until this new kid actually gets a callup before making any call.

    …and in conclusion…as I said this morning, it’s the trade of two minor leaguers…sheesh!

    FREE TIMO!

  585. Ian Cobb says:

    Molson boys are starting to put their stamp
    back onto this business  A lot of personnel and departmental changes
    have been implemented throughout the whole organisation.

    For better or worse?, We will find out this season how they intend to put this club back to it’s glory ways.

  586. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I agree Ian. Only the season will tell, we must be patient I guess, but my patience is running a little thin with our goalie situation.

  587. TommyB says:

    What a boring thread.  Everyone all up in arms over an absolutely non-significant minor-leauge deal which really doesn’t do much to enhance either team involved.  I know these are slow days, but c’mon people, this is a total non-story.  Why not spend your time pulling wings off of flies for some excitement.

  588. DAVE. N says:

    K’ Tommy…finished my flies…anything else on your mind?  lol

  589. nunacanadien says:

    Hey when the Molson boys allow their apprentice GM, apprenticing under the GM who was forced to step aside, kind of makes me wonder, if the apprentice is learning the bad habits, won’t he be a duplicate of the guy you forced to step aside?

    Trading Halak without a guarantee Price does indeed eventually have it, is like trading your Shelby car for heck Canadian Tire Coupons, looks pretty good, but heck try taking that to the bank of Hocky Fans.  We all know this was a sham deal meant to deflect off Price.

    Well now we know that Auld and Desjardins didn’t have it to replace Halak.  These goalie acquisitions are to replace Halak, not to support Price.  Price will be the virtual backup goalie as long Gauthier and Gainey are there, they won’t want to admit a mistake.

    Come on Bob Gainey, be the man you are, admit you made a mistake with Carey, advice the Molsons to trade him.

  590. Ian Cobb says:

    On the other hand, I just love it.! We are dealing from a position of strength now, with these agents and over paid kids.

    Sound management sticks by its decisions. The day of labour dictating to management are coming to an end. We have contingency plans in order, don’t worry.

  591. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I hope you are right. So far I like most if of the moves made this year. Just curious as to what the hold up is with signing “the franchise”…

  592. Ian Cobb says:

    Money and ego my friend!

  593. RiverviewCanadien says:

    If that is true, this might not be the best place for the kid. When he falters, lookout a “shit-storm” is coming.

  594. nunacanadien says:

    This is our next humble saviour, who will save Price, who will conveniently get hurt with some mysterious ankle injury/slash beer binge…..

  595. Ian Cobb says:

    Dave !  Streighten out your tuque my friend!

  596. light_n_tasty says:

    Pretend you’re a company stuck in neutral, unable to expand you’re market share.  You do have all these promising young associates who have the potential to turn things around.  However, instead of allowing the young associates to grow with your company, you let them walk to higher paying jobs elswhere.  Meanwhile, you’re still spinning you’re tires, waiting for the same-old same-old to bring you success.

     

  597. SeriousFan09 says:

    Of course, because these young associates have been directed from the Hand of God to save the company, restore it to the most dominant force in the market  despite their complete lack of experience working at the highest professional level. However given that your company has fared rather poorly in the past when you give inexperienced personnel the reins to manage the organization perhaps it’s a better idea to try to bring along the younger personnel more slowly rather than just give them the keys to the kingdom.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  598. Chorske says:

    I don’t buy the analogy- in this case the “company” has a tradition of recognizing and promoting excellence, which of course means that there is always the risk that quality employees will be headhunted- also, the company in question is not stuck in neutral: following a major restructuring, it had its best year in almost two decades.

    Doesn’t seem like a company that’s spinning tires to me.

  599. Mark C says:

    It seems clear why they wanted him, Boucher has coached him in Hamilton and Rimouski, and Tampa wants AHL goalie depth so they can bring their prospects along slowly. Stevie Y’s quote says it all:

    “With his American Hockey League experience, he will provide excellent goaltending depth for the organization, allowing us to be patient while Dustin Tokarski and Jaroslav Janus further mature and develop.”

    Tampa wanted AHL depth and Boucher knows Desjardins very well and must clearly like him. I don’t think this means that Boucher thinks Desjardins is an NHL star waiting to happen. Just that Boucher is comfortable with Desjardin fulfilling his role as a split-starter and mentor.  

     

  600. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Right…which I am saying “they wanted him” meaning we might have been able to get something more…did you even read the post above mine? Has nothing to do with him playing in the NHL.

  601. Mark C says:

    Just highlighting why they wanted him. Get something more than Ramo? Maybe, but I doubt it. Ramo still has some long-term upside, plus there isn’t a large market of third string goalies.

  602. RiverviewCanadien says:

    It was in response to the crying over losing Boucher, he was the next best thing to sliced bread (apparently). So I am just reiterating what people felt for him, hence the comment of “he must be good” since Boucher/Yzerman wanted him. BTW Yzerman is one of the best Canadian born players…he knows hockey.

  603. mbplekfan says:

    We are at the lowest point of goaltender value in a long, long time. Trading a minor leaguer who has had many years to prove himself for another minor leaguer is hardly cause for concern.

    There are lots of NHL calibre goalies out there that can be had for draft picks or a low end roster player at any time.

    Desjardins could hardly be considered a top prospect considering that he has never played a regular season NHL game. He wasnt exactly lights out in the AHL and apparently wasnt even considered for a backup position.

    We have lots of goaltending prospects moving through the ranks and freeing up a contract spot while not losing a player is a good management move.

  604. Max_a_million says:

    Exactly!

    These days you can sign a decent nhl goaltender far beyond Desjardins for a bucket of Chicken and a side of coleslaw.  Why spend two seconds worrying about this deal?

    Weird article for Engels, who is usally very solid.  Felt more like I was reading Jack Toad or Red Fisher.

     

    ”Last season we couldn’t win at home and we were losing on the road. My failure was that I couldn’t think of any place else to play.” – Harry Neale

  605. B says:

    These days you can sign a decent nhl goaltender far beyond Desjardins for a bucket of Chicken and a side of coleslaw.

    Or you could sign Auld for a million $s. :)

  606. K-hab25 says:

    Hey, thats what I said earlier. It’s pretty obvious, those that hated both deals, don’t believe Price can do the job. They thought they were through with him for good when Halak had the great playoff run. Then, like a shot in the stomach, Halak got traded and there hopes were dashed. What do you mean we’re stuck with Price again, they shouted. Then as I predicted they began to rally around the idea that Desjardins could take the job from Price. They rejoiced and hope was born. Then, out of nowhere, another trade. Defeated and angry, there hopes of Price being replaced are all but dashed, again. It’s a tragic tale.

  607. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Lets put this to rest. It SEEMS the ones defending the move are the ones who liked the Halak trade and believe Carey will sign soon and all will be grand for the entire season. The ones who are opposed to this are the ones who HATED the Halak trade and are very unsure of the “franchise” and the handling of the goalies in MTL. Nobody is right and nobody is wrong, it is ALL about ones PERSONAL OPINION.

    And there are a number of people (not only on this site) that see this trade as another attempt to appease the almighty Price, to make him feel cozy that nobody could step in to steal his job, especially one who speaks french (I am not french, I am a newfie so I could care less what language you speak).

     

    To those who think Desjardins would never make the NHL, what makes you think Ramo is ready, just because he played in the NHL? I remind you that he is NOT playing in the NHL right now…does not want to be a backup, so this trade (IMHO) was a waste of talent that could have stepped in to play in case we needed him to. Now we have to rely on Sanford to come up…or Mayer (a kid who has never even played in the AHL). The only other option if any goalies get hurt, is to sign someone else short term…

  608. LA Loyalist says:

    Good post. Your issue spotting is spot on.

     

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  609. WarHero says:

    Good post! I would, however, think that Sanford gets the call before Desjardins ever would.

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  610. Hockey Socks says:

    HOW did I know that this was going to go down. Twitter was buzzing about a trade that Tampa was set to announce and somehow I knew the Habs were involved.

  611. Bill J says:

    Except I bet you where expecting a French Canadian coming to Montreal.

    Not a French Canadian leaving “Montreal”

    ;)

  612. adam76 says:

    Not bad numbers from the KHL:

     

    2009-10 Omsk Avangard KHL 44 1 4 2582 91 0 4 2.11 21 17 4 952

    0.913

     


  613. SLONCOLD says:

    meh, who cares… although i have to say when i read the caption on tsn.ca i freaked out for about 15seconds

    Canadiens and Lightning swap goaltenders

  614. petrov14 says:

    Yea I had a big WTF? moment there as well, lol.

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  615. Chorske says:

    I really don’t see the big hoopla about this- Desjardins had pretty much hit his ceiling. Seems to me that many posters last summer were raggin’ on his arse last year for that reason.

    HIO has a bad case of ZOMFG DID U SAY GOALIE!!1!

  616. punkster says:

    Stop that man, you’re being too damn logical. Get a job FFS ;)

    FREE TIMO!

  617. TripleX says:

    Hit his ceiling at 25?  So Price has TWO years to reach his final potential?  Should be an interesting two years coming up in Montreal.  

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  618. Malreg says:

    Can’t wait to hear the “annalysts” on RDS talk about this trade. 

  619. Les-Habitants says:

    Did some digging:

    RDS has the VP Communications of Habs as saying they did this because

    1)  ‘as a favor’ to Desjardings, who would have been 4th on the depth chart: in Tampa, he’ll be no.3 and their AHL starter. 

    2) because they want Rob Mayer, coming off an MVP and Kelly Cup winning season, is slated to be Sanford’s backup in Hamilton.  Desjardins has proven himself a starter in the AHL, and they think Mayer may turn into something.  So Desjardins was moved to make room for Mayer.

    Also….

    3) We no longer have an ECHL team, the Hurriances are now someone else affilate.  That means a lot of our lower level prospects are going to be scattered across the ECHL and AHL.  As a result, they have less spots open for their prospects and players to play in.

  620. gloveside says:

    It just seems like we are, again, trading an asset for nothing. It may be admirable to trade Desjardins to help his career, but that is one less asset that can be used to help this team.

  621. avatar_58 says:

    So…..why did they sign Sanford? Why not have Desjardins as the starter and Mayer as the backup? I’m still not getting it.

  622. The Cat says:

    Removing any potential competition for Price appears to be the M.O.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  623. The Cat says:

    I mean if either Price or Auld are shaky, the french media cant clamour for Desjardins.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  624. PrimeTime says:

    +1

    Well stated! I hope many posters read and take to heart the last paragraph in particular,

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

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  625. Chorske says:

    I wonder what percentage of Engels’ page hits are referred via HIO?

    I’ll bet that it’s close to 100% for this particular article. Talk about tempest in a tea pot.

  626. TripleX says:

    I realize Gainey and his protege Gauthier want to protect Price from any hint of competition but this ventures into the realm of overkill.  I wonder how this will go over with the French Canadian fan base.

     

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  627. SeriousFan09 says:

    I wonder what tiny percentage of the fanbase knew who the hell Cedrick Desjardins was before this trade was announced. As someone who followed the Dogs this season I would say that Cedrick Desjardins was as much a threat to Carey Price’s career as David Desharnais is to Brian Gionta’s.

     

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  628. Mark C says:

    A few weeks ago when Gerber signed with Edmonton, you posted how great of a signing that was, and how PG missed the boat and should have signed Gerber instead of Auld. Yet, now PG trades the 4th string goalie for a 24 y/o goalie with NHL experience (albeit not great results) and who had almost the exact same KHL stats as Gerber (.914 vs. .913 SV%), yet you think PG is removing “any hint of competition.” You cannot have it both ways XXX. You just hate PG and BG, just admit it and get it over with.

  629. JoeC says:

    Guess this is whoever is starting goalie next years back up after this year with Auld.

     

    Honestly, this move makes NO SENSE>

  630. SeriousFan09 says:

    French media clamouring for an AHL goalie who got yanked from nets in the AHL playoffs would just prove how full of crap they are. Desjardins put on a good year with the Dogs, but it was also a year of star prospect P.K. Subban and the incredible ride Boucher took the team on. I’m sure the media will flap a bit on this but they flap a bit on Pierre Gauthier having English muffins for breakfast.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  631. The Cat says:

    The media doesnt need much of an opening SF, a few bad games by Price coupled with a few good games by Desjardins is all they’d need.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  632. the_larry says:

    …a bag of pucks for some rolls of tape?

  633. Rugger says:

    Hope we got the tape, it is much more versitile than pucks.

  634. slapshot777 says:

    This smells of Boucher wantng Yzerman to get the best goalie the Habs had on the farm. If I’m PG I would make Yzerman and company pay by giving up draft picks. We don’t need this crap goalie who couldn’t even cut it on Tampa Bay when they sucked. I’m sure there is someone we can call up from Cincinnati, to fill in the void left by Desjardins.

     

     

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  635. SeriousFan09 says:

    Actually the Habs have ended their affiliation with the Cyclones, but I do think Robert Mayer is set to return in nets after backstopping them from a 0-3 playoff series comeback and a Kelly Cup Championship. Mayer’s reportedly got a great glove hand, but like Desjardins struggles with consistency.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  636. Chorske says:

    Oh come on. What does age have to do with ceiling?

    Case in point: I hit my hockey ceiling playing peewee in Outremont; I scored the insurance goal that helped my team win its intramural championship. It was my one and only goal, and it was the height of my hockey progress. My ceiling. I was, what, 12?

    Your argument also raises the following point: if a guy is 25, still in the AHL, with no clear and obvious path of progression leading to the NHL… and people working with him internally are so iffy about his progress they go get AULD of all people to back up The Thoroughbred… well, what is YOUR definition of ceiling? Can we agree that Desjardins had gone as far as he was gonna go with the Habs?

  637. punkster says:

    Cedric has no pro future. He’s a 25 year old minor league goalie. With all the goalie crap we had over the past year don’t you think if he had ANY potential he would have been called up to replace Price or Halak? We got rid of a “no way” and replaced him with a “maybe”. Who cares?

    FREE TIMO!

  638. PrimeTime says:

    If you already are not persuing, you have a very bright future as a political spin doctor. Just lay off the personal attacks that just lower your credibility and airtime.

     

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

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  639. TripleX says:

     

    You are assuming that only hockey talent was the determining factor on whether Auld or Desjardin was the backup to Price.  To totally disregard the language issue in this is naive at best.  Having a French Canadian as backup to Price opens up a whole litany of problems that management is loathe to face.

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  640. TripleX says:

    Who is this person I attacked?

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  641. Chorske says:

    To totally assume everything is a language issue is ridiculous at best.

    The dude was 25. He’d plateaued, and there are younger cheaper talents ready to step up. This is a non issue to begin with- to make it a language issue is just plain silly.

  642. PrimeTime says:

    I would cut & paste but the post was deleted – let’s just say “maggot” is a personal attack and would not endear the press or your career as a political spin doctor.

     

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

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  643. tophab says:

    Is price learning french?

  644. nunacanadien says:

    Wonder where all the Price fans will be should he have yet another bad luck year in Montreal?  What about when we waste a spot acquiring rights for a prospect who tweaks his nose at the NHL?  Don’t we already have one prima donna goalie who tweaks his nose at loyal habs fans?  What is with Gauthier? 

  645. fbkj says:

    ~Don’t we already have one prima donna goalie who tweaks his nose at loyal habs fans?~

    what are you talking about?

  646. TripleX says:

    In my 17 years on this Earth I have NEVER called anyone a “maggot”.  It is a far too pedestrian insult and I take pride in having a little more wit than that.  

    You sir, are a liar.

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  647. TripleX says:

    I said language was a consideration, not the only consideration.  The undercurrents of language are always below the surface in Quebec.

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  648. PrimeTime says:

    You are right – my apologies! It was Xtrahabsfan who post the attack…..sometimes I get you to confused.

    But, with no malice intended, you should consider a career in spin politics….

     

     

    “People build teams in certain ways. I’ve always traded for futures – not pasts.” – Sam Pollock

    The reason we are Hab fans http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1476

  649. TripleX says:

    Apology accepted.  Thank you

    I very rarely call anyone a liar since it is so inflammatory.  I hesitated calling you one, but I was positive that it was not me.  No harm done I hope.

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  650. Chorske says:

    Never said you did. I don’t buy that this was a language thing, is all. The transaction has an internal logic all on its own, why add a layer of imagined and unnecessary controversy? There’s too much of that already in this banana republic province.

  651. The Teacher says:

    Yeah yeah nuna yeah yeah

  652. nunacanadien says:

    Let’s just see if this is the case won’t we?  Hmm…let a play off calibre young goalie go, while you hang onto the other young goalie who showed he doesn’t still have it, and then we’ll see if indeed I am right.  Then when we see Ramo in nets all year, I will await to hear the roaring defeaning silence of the Price fans like we did last year.

  653. K-hab25 says:

    Yes, yes, you are!!

  654. TripleX says:

    What?  LMAO  Paranoia is a treatable mental illness dude.

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  655. The Cat says:

    Dont be fooled by KHL stats, they dont score over there, a lot of goalies in the KHL have good sv percentage.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  656. Mark C says:

    Not sure why you need to bring up mental illness. If you weren’t the person making a big deal out of the Gerber signing then I apologize.

  657. TripleX says:

    It was a bit of sarcasm.  Sorry.

    I did bring up the Gerber trade and I still think he is a better goalie than Auld at a better contract.  That being said, I honestly don’t see the comparison to this particular deal.  I have no idea whether it is good, bad or indifferent.  But the fact that a French Canadian goalie was traded raises red flags for me.

     

     

    ‘Cogito ergo doleo’

  658. Mark C says:

    The point was Gerber had the same numbers as Ramo last season, and if you liked Gerber more than Auld, then trading a 3/4 stringer for Ramo should be an upgrade.

    Regardless, this trade is odd, however I think Montreal is taking a chance on Ramo being a long-term back-up solution.  Hopefully it pans out.

     

  659. yathehabsrule says:

    Stubbs is tweeting that the Habs are confirming taht it wil be Sanford/Mayer in the Hammer.

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  660. Bill J says:

    MTL – Price / Auld / Ramo ?

     

  661. yathehabsrule says:

    Ramo will finish his deal in the K, but could be at Habs training camp.

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  662. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ramo will finish his final contract year in the KHL, but by then Habs might let Auld or Sanford walk as they rejuggle their goaltending structure. Petteri Simila is going to likely spend the next couple of years in Finland, I believe he signed a two-year deal there to play in the Finnish league.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  663. LA Loyalist says:

    Hi guys, just to introduce myself. I’ve been on here ranting for a while, but now have finally figured out photo stuff thanks to Monsieur Bugs.

    Briefly – Habs fan since 84, I’ve lived in Mtl, now I live in Los Angeles, to explain picture, I have a 7 year old son who plays hockey in LA.

    Saku Koivu is our favorite player (ergo the photo, we are still loyal to Saku with Dux as our 2nd team on west coast) Our next favorite player was Halak (oops). Then Dominic Moore (oops).

    Things are not going well in the favorite player department, which is not so easy to explain to a 7 year old.

    We will cheer for our team, but we will hold management accountable for bad decisions.  Great to be here.

    “To failing hands we’ve passed the torch.”

  664. WarHero says:

    I hear that, all my favourite players end up playing in Detroit, lol Welcome to HIO!

     

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  665. SeriousFan09 says:

    You can tell from my sig where my loyalty lies of course, always good to have a Saku fan around.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
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  666. le_vrai_jacques says:

    le dreaded double post.

  667. le_vrai_jacques says:

    I see. When he’s here, will he ask for jersey #31?

  668. Bugs says:

    I hear the next deal has all of us going to TB for a public spanking.

    And then we have to do their dishes.

    This is getting scary. I haven’t seen Desjardins much, but I’ve seen Ramo…

    We just got owned. Like children.

    Little children groping in the dark, that’s what we are.

    Crackin but not slackin, the card says

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  669. Mikey_39 says:

    Quite puzzling because I just can’t understand what Pierre Gauthier was thinking.  How do we benefit from this trade? Even if Ced never plays a game in the NHL, Ramo is playing over in Russia.  So we trade someone who is playing for us in the AHL for…nothing?  

  670. habs03 says:

    Auld is signed for one year, this way, next year, Ramo is an option as a backup to Price. This also gives way for Meyer to make the jump to the AHL. So it comes down to take a step back in Ham, no Desjardin, but getting an option for a backup next year for the NHL team. Its a sideways move, that can turn out good for the Habs, and worst comes to worst it only affects HAM.

  671. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ramo playing in the KHL this season gives the Habs the freedom to test Robert Mayer in Hamilton, who’s fresh off a Kelly Cup Championship in the ECHL where he shared the playoff MVP trophy and lets them have an asset develop in another pro league that doesn’t affect their depth chart between Montreal and Hamilton. This is shuffling potential backup goalie prospects around.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  672. yathehabsrule says:

    Q: Hows much of this Habs/Bulldogs to Tampa stuff started AFTER Ian initiated a Florida Summit road trip last January? Just sayin’

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  673. Xtrahabsfan says:

    This just in….    ….   …  …   Carey Price  has received his birthday request that they’re be no Goalkeeping competition in the Habs organization in order too ease his nerves and build his confidence as too one day assist him in stopping beach balls on the sea shore,dive ….dive …