Gionta, Gorges headed to Sabres; Habs sign Malhotra, Weaver and others

The Canadiens will be looking for a new captain for the 2014-15 season.

After failing to reach a contract agreement with Brian Gionta before the Canada Day free-agent sweepstakes began at noon Tuesday, the former Habs captain signed a three-year deal with the Buffalo Sabres worth $4.25 million per season later in the afternoon. Gionta will be joined in Buffalo by Josh Gorges after the Canadiens traded the defenceman to the Sabres in exchange for a second-round draft pick in 2016. Gorges has four years remaining on a six-year, $23.4-million contact with a $3.9-million cap hit each year.

Shortly after noon, the Canadiens signed free-agent Manny Malhotra to a one-year, $850,000 deal. The 6-foot-2, 220-pound centre posted 7-6-13 totals in 69 games last season with the Carolina Hurricanes. He averaged 11:35 of ice time per game and won 59.4 per cent of his faceoffs. In 933 careeer games, the 34-year-old has posted 115-176-291 totals.

“It’s an opportunity to win,” Malhotra said on a conference call Tuesday afternoon. “To say it’s a great hockey market is a gross understatement.”

Malhotra added: “This team is the best fit for me hockey-wise and family-wise.”

The Canadiens later re-signed free-agent defenceman Mike Weaver to a one-year, $1.75-million deal. Weaver played 17 games with the Canadiens last season after being acquired from the Florida Panthers at the NHL trade deadline, posting 1-6-7 totals and a plus-9.

After the signing was announced, Weaver tweeted: “Fier d’être de retour! We had the contract signed for a few weeks! Just wanted to keep everyone in suspense!”

The Canadiens announced a couple more free-agent signings Tuesday, inking forward Jiri Sekac to a two-year entry-level contract and defenceman Tom Gilbert to a two-year deal worth $5.6 million.

Sekac, a 6-foot, 174-pounder, played 47 games last season with Lev Praha in the KHL, posting 11-17-28 totals. Gilbert, a 6-foot-3, 206-pounder, posted 3-25-28 totals with 18 penalty minutes last season with the Panthers.

“When you visit Montreal and you see the way the fans are excited game in and game out, it makes playing there exciting,” Gilbert said on a conference call.

“Manny touched on it with where he is in his career,” Gilbert added. “I’m looking for what everyone is looking for: a chance to win the Cup.”

The 35-year-old Gionta spent five seasons with the Canadiens after signing a five-year, $25-million free-agent contract during the summer of 2009. In 81 regular-season games last season, Gionta posted 18-22-40 totals. In 17 playoff games, Gionta scored one goal and added six assists.

“I was never looking to break the bank (with the Habs),” Gionta told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs Tuesday morning after contract talks with the club broke down. “My time for that is past.

“It will be about the family now that Montreal window is closed,” Gionta added.

Gorges, who spent eight years with the Canadiens after being acquired in a trade with the San Jose Sharks, played in 66 regular-season games last season, posting 1-13-14 totals and a plus-6. He spoke with Sportsnet shortly after the trade to Buffalo was announced.

“It’s tough,” Gorges said. “I mean, you never really expect to get traded … you never think that this day is going to come. I mean, obviously, it comes for everybody and it’s happened to me once before. But when that phone call does come that day you’re not prepared for it. So it’s tough when you first hear the news, and especially because I’ve really loved every moment that I’ve had here in Montreal. It’s become my home over the last eight years and I’ve made a lot of good friends in this city and on this team and that’s the hardest part … knowing that you have to say bye to all that and move forward. But that’s the nature of the beast and part of the business that we’re involved in. So you deal with it and you move on. And like I said, I’m excited about the opportunity to go to Buffalo and help that team out.”

Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin had tried to trade Gorges to the Toronto Maple Leafs, but the defenceman nixed that as part of a limited no-trade clause in his contract. Gorges told Sportsnet that after playing with the Canadiens for such a long time it would have been hard to “switch over and play for the Toronto Maple Leafs.”

“Nothing against that organization or that team,” Gorges said. “But when you build a rivalry it’s hard mentally, emotionally to think, ‘Wow, I’ve grown to hate this team, to play against them, how could I ever really go and put my heart and soul into it?’ And so I just wanted to take some time before I made a decision.”

In an interview with The Gazette’s Stubbs, Gorges was asked who his pick would be to be the next Habs captain.

“Everyone watches how (Andrei Markov) trains, prepares and plays,” Gorges said. “That’s what you want from your leader.”

When Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin met with the media Tuesday afternoon in Brossard he was asked about a future captain. Bergevin said if he did have someone in mind he wouldn’t say now and added that it was too early to make that decision. How that captain will be picked will remain “in house” Bergevin said.

When asked if he had a date by which he wanted to have restricted free-agent defenceman P.K. Subban signed, Bergevin said “no.” When The Gazette’s Pat Hickey suggested Oct. 1 as the date, Bergevin responded “that would be nice,” drawing chuckles from the media.

The Canadiens didn’t make a qualifying offer for forward Ryan White, meaning he now becomes an unrestricted free agent.

“Ryan was really good for us,”  Bergevin told the media in Brossard. “I have a lot of respect for the way he played. But sometimes the teacher needs new students and the student needs a new teacher. So maybe a change of scenery will help him out. Again, I have a lot of respect for Ryan, but we made a decision to go with Manny Malhotra.”

Thomas Vanek, acquired by the Canadiens at last season’s NHL trade deadline, signed a three-year free-agent deal with the Minnesota Wild worth $19.5 million. Vanek turned down a seven-year, $50-million offer from the Islanders last season before he was traded to Montreal.

Bergevin also announced that the club has signed junior forward Jeremy Grégoire to a three-year, NHL entry-level contract. In 65 regular-season games with the Baie-Comeau Drakkar of the QMJHL last season, the 6-foot, 187-pound forward posted 35-34-69 totals. The Canadiens selected him in the sixth round (176th overall) at the 2013 NHL draft.

Bergevin also signed free-agent goalie Joey MacDonald to a one-year, two-way contract on Tuesday. In 11 games with the Calgary Flames last season, MacDonald posted a 5-4-1 record with a 2.90 goals-against average and a .890 save percentage.

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Habs add size and experience in free-agent frenzy, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Gionta leaves Habs with a heavy heart, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Mixed emotions as Gorges heads to Buffalo, by Dave Stubbs

Habs sign free-agent Malhotra,

Bergevin press conference (video),

Canadiens’ salary-cap chart,

Gionta signs three-year deal with Sabres,

Sabres acquire Gorges,

Free-agent signings tracker,

Official list of available free agents,

Wild signs Vanek for three years,

Former Hab Cammalleri signs five-year, $25-million deal with Devils,

Senators trade Spezza to Stars,

Avalanche signs Iginla to three-year, $16-million deal,


  1. HardHabits says:

    The Habs don’t need an enforcer… what they need is a Mod.

    • NightRyder says:

      The “enforcer” is going the way of the Dodo bird or the $4M fourth-pairing d-man.
      We’ve tried having Laraque and Parros and it was an utter waste of time. Overlooked in this situation is the real problem: having one of these non-playing puds means it messes up your lines in a given game.
      Depth and the ability to roll lines is huge. And for the most part, guys like McGrattan aren’t out fighting the Desharnaisies of the world anyway.
      That said, it’s always nice to have one in the system. Guy who is happy making $125K in Hammy Beach, and gets in 10-15 games with the big club.
      To that end, Steve MacIntyre is again a free agent. Rarely fights anymore, but has that “he could snap” factor.
      We don’t need him, don’t care if we don’t sign him, but it would be a fun luxury to have.

    • Caesar says:

      on your list of addition subtraction below you missed 2 pretty big guys that left. Murray and Parros. OK Parros did not play but Murray was an intimidating presence all year and even during his playoff games. Not sure if Murray was playing when Price got hurt but he was a big reason that teams behaved whenever he was on the ice.

      • HardHabits says:

        I liked Murray for that. However:

        Douglas Murray
        [34 yrs]
        Height 6.03 — Weight 245

        Jarred Tinordi
        [22 yrs]
        Height 6.06 — Weight 227

  2. montreal ace says:

    Bravo Eugenie Bouchard, historic win that will have me watching the whole finals for the first time.

    • Captain aHab says:

      Yep…and I don’t think she played real well either.

      Kvitova will have a big serve, but Bouchard is an amazing serve returner.

      Prepare to be boarded!!

  3. twilighthours says:

    Man it is contentious on here today. Might as well keep it going…

    I can only recall one good shift by parros this past year. The rest, including the fights, had me cringing in embarrassment for the guy.

    I’ll say ‘no’ to a goon, Thx.

    (maybe there was a shift or two I missed)

  4. HabinBurlington says:

    Does anyone know where this bountiful tree exists that our GM goes to visit and POOF we have extra power forwards and defencemen who can play very good hockey and deal with other teams fighters?

  5. krob1000 says:


    July 3, 2014 at 11:45 am

    “I don’t see why you insist on comparing him to our other centers, where it has no basis on the conversation.

    Fact is he’s been inconsistent and has not proven to be a top 6 center yet.
    His next contract should reflect that”

    Subban has been inconsistent yet everyone wants to throw 8.5 million at him forever? Subban too was scratched and disciplined…had a god awful 25 game stretch.

    As for your comment re comparing Eller to other centers…who else would you compare him to? His linemates, icetime and situational use is DIRECTLY related to those other centers. Parts of his “inconsistency” were also when he was moved to the wing.

    Sometimes I really get the feeling I am on here debating with the Desharnais family and people who really prefer muffins to danishes.

    • twilighthours says:

      Or guys who watch just as much hockey, played just as much hockey, coached just as much hockey as you.

      Lighten up! It’s not that big a deal. Just a hobby, watching hockey.

      • krob1000 says:

        I guess we all better agree with PJ Stock and Glenn Heally then beacuse they all did more of all of that than us…shut down the site..we will all just listen to the gospel of PJ and Glenn….should make for a fun hobby. As for the big deal? that happnes whenever anyone questions DD’s value relative to teh other centers…I am nto worked up…I enjoy this…helps pass my day

        • twilighthours says:

          I guess the take away from this is that sometimes there are no easy answers and concensus is hard to build.

          (I’m ready for a promotion)

    • ebk says:

      that is funny Rob, because reading a lot of stuff about Eller, you think it’s his mother posting.

      • krob1000 says:

        Difference is I acknowledge he sucked for 3/4 of a season…noone seems to admit DD was no good in 2012-13 or for 1st quarter and was not productive in playoffs…he is the model of consistency I guess…but Eller is inconsistent….sure guys…you nailed it.

    • shiram says:

      Now we’re comparing Eller to Subban? Why??

      There’s no need to compare him to any of our other centers as it relates to his new contract.
      You’re the one to brought up Desharnais, I certainly did not, so don’t put that on me.

      • krob1000 says:

        lol…fair enough…Iam kind of feeling the wrath of the DD posse and am hearing Warren G and Nate Dogg for some reason. (Regulators! mount up )….so the messages may not directly relate only to your pst..sorry bout that.

    • Chris says:

      Rob: I love Eller…he and Markov are my current favourites on the team. I love what he brings, and I actually think that the Bourque-Eller-Weise trio has a lot of promise.

      But I think you are letting your disdain of Desharnais cloud your judgement when it comes to assessing his value. There is no factual argument that can be made about how other guys would do with Pacioretty as a winger because Therrien has been loathe to try it.

      So all you can do is speculate that Eller or Plekanec would indeed match the chemistry that Desharnais and Pacioretty have shown. They might, but I have sincere doubts about it based on how the various guys play.

      I absolutely DO agree with you about the power play…I don’t like Desharnais in that role, because his unwillingness to shoot is a problem, nullifying the man advantage to some extent. I would love to see Eller or Galchenyuk given that role instead.

      But at 5-on-5, I think people get far too wrapped up in #1 vs. #2 vs. #3 centre. Montreal does not have an elite centre right now, somebody who can rival a Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Sedin, Thornton or Backstrom.

      What they do have are 3 good centres, as evidenced by the playing time split at even strength: Plekanec got 14:53 last year, Desharnais got 14:22, and Eller got 13:56.

      For my money, Desharnais with Pacioretty is a good fit. I’m not crazy about Gallagher on that line…I would prefer to see a bigger winger that is more defensively responsible. Gallagher with Plekanec and Galchenyuk could be an interesting line, as Gallagher goes to the net, Plekanec likes to shoot, and Galchenyuk will get his chance to be a play-maker from the wing, a la Alex Tanguay or Martin St. Louis.

      And Eller with Bourque and Weise gives them a trio of big, strong and fast guys that can play a cycle game, with Bourque being the shooter and all three guys willing to fight along the boards.

      Moving Eller up with Pacioretty might make that line better. But it might not. Barring a trade, which may or may not happen, I don’t see any compelling reason to split Pacioretty and Desharnais at even strength that isn’t relying on pure conjecture and hypothesizing. Based on this past season, I think that Desharnais played a huge role in the Habs’ success: without him, the team might have been fighting to even make the playoffs, let alone earning home ice.

      Give Eller and Galchenyuk some more power play time at Desharnais’ expense, and I think all of these arguments become somewhat moot, personally.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        There is no factual argument that can be made about how other guys would do with Pacioretty as a winger because Therrien has been loathe (sic) to try it.

        Not quite. MT put Max and Eller together when DD was slumping. He said that he and MB had been thinking about that combination for a while. Max hurt his hamstring in that game, and that was the end of that.

        • Chris says:

          Oz: Therrien also gave Pacioretty a couple of games with Plekanec as his centre in 2012-13. But the point remains that Therrien has not gone with an alternate pairing for any significant period of time in the past two seasons, whether it be due to injury or reluctance.

          If we’re going to try to bring evidence into the conversation about how Pacioretty would do with other centres, it is necessarily going to be extraordinarily limited, which was my main point.

          By the way, thanks for the correction on loath vs. loathe…I am a little embarrassed to have made that one. :)

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Agreed with your main point – that there’s no evidence to look at.

            Just disagreed that MT was unwilling to try Max with Eller.

      • krob1000 says:

        I am fine with DD/Patch duo as long as they are with team…but part of my argument is the pp (which accounts for the majority of the offensive difference between the two). The other aspect is the top situations….I really don’t care who scores if they are wearing the right coloured sweater. There is prrof however, that Gomez produced with top line role and the is proof that Eller has outplayed DD as often as Dd has outplayed Eller. Why it has to be just aobut those two? I don’t know…..because I think Chucky could slide into that role or even Pleks (who has proven more successful than DD when he was in that role)
        Re your point re the pp and my point re the favourable matchups and situations….MT is the coach agian so that will likely not change…so the debate becomes..what is best for the team (…my point of view will differ from your and everyone will vary but I thought we all knew that on here.. apparently some think I am not aware of this fact)?

        If MT is going to insist on using a “top line” for offense. and in the manner he the choice of DD in that role the best? this is where I strongly disagree …and while you are concerned with the chemistry of the particular players I am insisting it is more importantly the situational play, role, pp, top wingers apsect that generates the points…and this is where what I am saying does have proof. Gomez scored at same pace as DD, Eller was at same pace despite never being totally in that role, PLeks outscored Dd in that role, Koivu outscored him in that role…..there is no arguing DD/Patch have chemistry but there is a ton of evidence that if they have to remain a duo…and are going to get tthe favourable situations that the team is no better off than with any of the aformeentioned centers in that role….so why not try something to actaully make strides forward?

    • knob says:

      I’m with you on the Eller vs Desharnias. Maybe MB will do us a favour and somehow make him disappear.

    • montreal ace says:

      I always found Eller had talent but played with fear, so to me it seemed he had no edge to his game at all. In the playoffs I found that he started to push back when confronted, which gave him a bit more room. I am looking forward to a good year from him

  6. UKRAINIANhab says:

    When getting a resident goon (totally against this idea but ok)

    Why does w/l record mean anything?

    • frontenac1 says:

      Win/Loss can be as meaningless as +/- for a Dman. Depends on who the opponent is. A McLaren win against Gorges is meaningless. A Rosehill win against Gadzic is for real. Saludos!

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    Great day for Genie! Great day for sports in Canada!

  8. HardHabits says:

    Lots of talk about toughness or the lack thereof. You all might remember me as the Tank™ guy. Some others might recall the days I was touting more size and grit, or as the stats nerds at EOTP like to pompously bleat… MOAR BIGGAR!!!

    Well. The Habs say TYVM to Gorges, Gionta, Briere and Boullion. They add size and weight to the balance:

    Josh Gorges
    [29 yrs]
    Height 6.01 — Weight 200

    Tom Gilbert
    [31 yrs]
    Height 6.03 — Weight 206

    add 2 inches and 6 lbs

    Brian Gionta
    [35 yrs]
    Height 5.07 — Weight 173

    Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau
    [31 yrs]
    Height 6.00 — Weight 193

    add 5 inches and 20 lbs

    Daniel Briere
    [36 yrs]
    Height 5.10 — Weight 181

    Manny Malhotra
    [34 yrs]
    Height 6.02 — Weight 220

    add 4 inches and 39 lbs

    Francis Bouillon
    [38 yrs]
    Height 5.08 — Weight 198

    Mike Weaver
    [36 yrs]
    Height 5.10 — Weight 183

    add 2 inches subtract 15 lbs

    all in all
    add 13 inches and 50 lbs
    divided by 4 = add 2.25 inches and 12.25 lbs

    As for the grit part or toughness aspect.

    The Habs are gritty. They beat the Bruins in 7 games. There’s all the proof you need. I am patently against the Habs bringing in an enforcer or so called tough guy. The Habs never used Parros except to embarrass himself. I do not want to see a fighter who can possibly skate. Give me players that can play hockey but have balls of steel. Like Gallagher. The fact is the Habs are incrementing upwards and are no longer smurfs. I have not one apprehension about toughness with these players. The Habs are increasingly becoming a hard ass team with talent to boot. Any amount of grit that is added to this team will be gravy.

    What the Habs really could use is a top flight scoring winger and with that I’d go as far as saying they could finish in the top 5 over-all.

    NO ENFORCER/GOON types!!!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I endorse the signing of a goon, I just don’t want to give up anything more than a 5th round pick to acquire.

      I don’t really enjoy watching Prust fight 2 classes above his weight. I don’t endorse staged fighting in hockey, but it isn’t my job to remove it, that falls on the fricking weasel in New York.

      So until he changes things up, I feel the need to get one.

      When in Rome…..

      • HardHabits says:

        I disagree. The Habs have Tinordi. They have a bunch of tough defenceman that can drop them in the pipes. They are drafting bigger players. Screw the fighting. The Habs as a team will not get pushed around like they did under Gainey and Martin. Therrien has more class than Julien but he still likes players who can mix it up.

        Every goon the Habs signed in recent memory has been a failure and in fact made things worse for the Habs. Screw it. Turn the cheek and deliver a bruising check and then score a goal.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Tinordi will have his career shortened and never live up to it, if he needs to fight the Gadzics of the NHL. Why send a lamb to slaughter?

          • HardHabits says:

            You think Tiny is a lamb? I look forward to the day the Tinordi holds his own against that simian. Prust managed to hold him to a draw (although many believe he aggravated an injury during that battle).

            Nope. Lucic is a pussy. He’s a ball tapper. Maybe he and the ass grabber should go for drinks.

            I am not nor have I ever been into goons or enforcers. I believe in team toughness and the Habs are trending in that direction, if not there already.

            The Habs can beat the Bruins. It’s not the East I am worried about. Out West it isn’t goons but team toughness. The Bruins are lesser than those teams and the Habs have to consider that more than anything.

          • franco says:

            Tinordi can turn down all invitations, it is part of the code.

            Gadzics will be rendered useless and replace eventually.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Agree Amigo! Tiny is not a natural fighter imo. He can take care of himself but would not want to see him responsible for fighting the Real Heavyweights.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @HH, Tinordi will be a very tough rugged dman for the Habs, he already is probably our toughest dman. But he is young, he is just getting close to his final playing weight. He isn’t ready to take on all the leagues big boys. I say this respectfully.

            @franco, no watch the NHL, you can’t just politely turn down all invitations, there is a ridiculous code in this league where when another tough guy challenges another teams tough guy, eventually he has to go. Perhaps why I call Bettman a Weasel……

      • franco says:

        Why do you call ‘Bettman’ a frigging weasel.

        Enforcers that can’t play are slowly leaving the game.

        Tough guys who can play will always be welcome.

        Tough guys who can play are hard to find.

        How has Bettman hurt the Montreal Canadiens. Are they moving up slowly. Change is happening…..s…l…o…w…l…y.

        Why do you hate Bettman, do you think he caused the lock out?

        Is the cap evil, or should teams get into bidding wars and spend as much as they feel they can afford? What would happen to parity? Is parity important?

        Do you feel that he has supported southern teams to much? Does Molson support Bettman and the southern teams.

        The more the league makes, the more Molson makes, so it is in one pocket and out the other….out one pocket and in the other…everybody wins.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Because I think he is a Freaking Weasel, thus the reason I said it.

        • franco says:

          Okay, Burlington, you think he is a weasel because. I get it.

          The thinking in the NHL (code) is the player has to be in your ‘ability to play’ if not you can brush him off as unworthy.

          You can be considered to valuable to trade off to a goon.
          You can ignore him and punish him with quickness and body checks, make him look foolish if you are indeed ahead of him in ability.

          The goon will play limited time and eventually be obsolete.

          Good players do not have to fight lesser players. Thus, Lucic can turn down offers from goons (Larouque) and save face because he may score an important goal.
          Staged fights become their only salvation because one goon wants to play and make the bucks and the other goon keeps him and himself in the league.

          The concusion issue is also weeding this stuff out as well.

    • 123456 says:

      Agreed HH – I seriously think if the Habs added a proven top 6 winger we would be one of the better teams in the East.

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:

        Sorry to burst your collective bubbles, but no, the habs are not (quite there yet)…while we wait for possibilities in the future (like Thrower, Fournier, Crisp, Nevins et al) the reality is we need some additional toughness throughout the lineup to insulate Tinordi (until he is ready to take on any big boys), PK, Gallagher et al. I’m talking about a guy like Bieksa on D and Simmonds @ F. These players can play but also send a message or a response if our non-fighters are being bullied off their games. (as opposed to what we saw during the Gainey Goat era when Jonas Nattinen patrolled the 4th line)

        • HardHabits says:

          Neither of those players would be considered a goon or an enforcer or a heavy weight for that matter. They are hockey players first and foremost. You’re agreeing with me.

          • dr. schmutzdeker says:

            Au contraire…I didn’t say they were goons (because obviously they’re not) and I wasn’t disagreeing with you re players vs goons. What I disagree with is your assertion above…”the Habs are gritty” (and the inference that they are ready to take on all commers)…sorry, not true (yet)

      • franco says:

        Needing him and finding him are two different things. I think they could use another Jean Beleveau but alas where to find him.

    • CJ says:

      I think the term enforcer is overblown. IMO, LA is the model franchise. Like LA, I think it is valuable to have a serviceable guy in the lineup like Kyle Clifford. He can play the game and stand up for teammates if need be. During the regular season, they had Jordan Nolan on the fourth line. Again, not a goon, but a tough player who stands up for teammates. He fought Lucic last year and held his own.

      John Scott is an embarrasment to the game of hockey. I think it is unfair that an enforcer like Chris Nilan would be labeled in the same category. I am all for having guys who can play the game, but also stand up for teammates. I liked Tanner Glass, but he got too much money and term from the Rangers. Ideally, I would like to have Kyle Chipchurra, who had 20 points, is a great PK guy and can fight. As much as it pains me to say this, Chris Neil was the exact kind of player who we needed – too old now.

      Front likes Jay Rosehill, who would be a great choice. I like Anthony Peluso. Both guys have potential and would not hurt our hockey team. They would not play every night, but they could be effective when deployed. Unforunately, in the absence of either the above, Prust will likely be injured by the Amercian Thanksgiving. I worry less about Tinordi, as he is better at picking his spots. Prust can’t seem to say no though, which has likely reduced the number of years he will play in the league.

      In closing, I will say this. We will be a tougher team going forward. We were bullied by the Senators, Leafs and Bruins. Under Bergevin’s leadership, this has slowly started to turn around. Within 2-3 years, we will be the bully. Like the Kings, I believe we will be able to win games on the scoreboard, and in the trenches. We are trending positively and I am excited for the future. So far as I am concerned, if we can win and also push others around, all the better. Afterall, payback is a bitch.

      • HardHabits says:

        Exactly. Nobody would describe the Kings as goons, like say how people envision the Bruins or the Flyers or lore. Yet most would say the Kings would destroy the Bruins both physically and of course on the scoreboard, if they met in the SCF.

        So yes. Tough players that can fight and that will stick up for their team mates. They have to be players first. Like Larry Robinson in his hey day or Zdeno Chara in his.

        No more Parros’ or BGL’s. Those signings were disasters.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          So where do we get all these wonderful power forwards and big defencemen? RUmour has it the next season starts in a few months, will they have time to get here?

          Cool, that all we have to do is wish to be like L.A. and it happens! I know MB is planning for the future in this light, but someone really oughtta tell him that it can happen overnight as well.

          • CJ says:

            Therein lies the issue. IMO, Crisp, MacCarron, Nevins, Thrower, Tinordi and Thomas (kidding, just seeing if anyone was keeping track….) have a chance to be good hockey players and also tough guys. However, they are still 1-4 years away. In the interim, I think it would be a prudent move to swing a deal for short term help. As Burly has suggested, and with which I agree, I would not want to deal anything more then a fifth round pick, but having a guy like Kyle Clifford is not going to hurt the team.

            I agree, Parros and BGL were absolutely terrible. Unfortunately, they turned a number of fans against the notion of having a tough player, because they saw two of the worst ply their trade. If we had a Chris Neil type from 5 years ago, then I think people would look at it differently. I can’t tell you how difficult it is for me to say that, but he was a great combination of fighter and hockey player.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Prust doesn’t only fight because we lack a goon. I think he has a screw loose. He’s always dropping the gloves over nothing.

        The thing is if you don’t have a bona fide goon, the other team will typically not dress their goon.

        Moving. Forward.

  9. HabinBurlington says:

    Match point!

  10. Say Ash says:

    Wow, Steve Moore now seeking $68 million. Money he thinks he would have earned over the next ten years.

  11. twilighthours says:

    The propaganda campaign is taking hold… I now actually believe that we need a goon.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      We need two. One to protect the other goon.

      Moving. Forward.

    • knob says:

      It doesn’t hurt. Most goons know that there are not everyday players, which makes it easier to make them a healthy scratch when playing the skilled teams. Trevor Gilles would be fun to watch when we play Boston.

    • krob1000 says:

      Definitely need one for the reg season…especially when some of teams top players like Subban, gallagher, Emelin are gusy who are not looked favourably upon by many in the NHL. It will be open season on all 3 without a heavweight.

      • twilighthours says:

        Tell me anything, I’m ready to believe it.

        • krob1000 says:

          Josh Gorges has been traded…that happened about as much as DD’s crappy lockout aseason, crappy first 20 games and crappy playoff. Not sure why people can come to terms with Gorges traded but not wha DD did or what Eller did….anyways I will continue to tell it as often as I can beacuse I just cannot wrap my head around the why re DD? Is he a terrible palyer? nope…but is he better than Lars Eller, Thomas Plekanec or even Alex Galchenyuk in that role? nope…he has proven himself to be about as good as Scott Gomez was…and that is at DD’s best.

          • twilighthours says:

            I lied. Not quite ready to believe it. Right now, Desharnais is our best offensive centre.

            But I’m tapping out of this argument. You by virtue of my attrition.

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:

        Sigh…No goonies por favor…If a response to bullying of our talented non-fighters should be necessary, just gimme a couple of tough guys (who can play)…a la Bieksa on D and Simmonds @ F. (to compliment our Prust, Tinordi etc etc)

        • HardHabits says:

          ^^^^ This!!

          • krob1000 says:

            where are you gonna get those? gonna cost you about 10 million dollars per seasona nd some very good young players. IT cost you about 800k to get a goon….a worthwhile investment if ever there was one. I am all for getting fighters who can play or better yet players who can fight…but that is not easily done….

          • HabinBurlington says:

            No worries Krob, all you have to do is ask politely.

  12. PK says:

    Bouchard takes the first set 7-6

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  13. Chris says:

    Man, Bouchard appears to be taking the hard road. But she’s now up 1-0 against Halep.

  14. krob1000 says:

    Is anyone at all conerned about Eller and Pk? They were our best forwarda nd our best D in the playoffs BUT….this is the big BUT….they were also the two guys who most o us on here felt were shorted during the season by MT. I can;t help but wonder if Eller an PK are playing hardball knowing they may not be allowed to flourish under MT? I sure hop enot but I thought Eller would have beena n open and shut case…a few years at 3 ish. I am grwoing concerned about those two with every passing day.

    • shiram says:

      Eller is tricky, as he’s not been consistent ever.
      The great flashes he shows are enticing, but signing him for term and big money is a risk.
      He’s not shown top6 abilities with any sort of consistency so far.

      Unless the rising cap as me befuddled, I think even 3 might be a bit high for him, depending on term.

      • krob1000 says:

        Noone ont he roster has been consistent….Eller has been as consistent as DD peole just choose to ignore that fact for whatever reason. Eller outplayed DD in 2013-13 shortened season, outplayed DD in first quarter of last season and outplayed him over 20 game playoff stretch. DD only has outplayed Eller for one 3/4 season stretch and that is only statistically as Eller brings more to the table. DD’s very overrated…his numbers are no diff’t then Gomez put up, less than Pleks in same role and I know I sound like a broken record but I literally have ZERO doubt that ANY of Chucky, Pleks or Eller if given DD situational role and top wingers would outproduce him. Daniel Briere in his limited role scored one poitn less than DD in the playoffs, Pleks outscored Dd and Eller led them all…..pretty much confirmed what many of us had said all along. The diffrerence between Eller when on and Eller when not? icetime and confidence…they are kind of related…

        • shiram says:

          I was not talking or comparing to other centers, but yes, Eller has been more inconsistent than DD or Plekanec.
          Last season, he had about 10-12 good games and disappeared for most of the rest of the season.
          It was about the same in the lockout shortened season.

          You talk of confidence and I agree it is an issue with Eller, but he’s had many coaches now, and linemates, but still the problem persists.

          I love Eller has a player, when he’s on he’s rock solid and can control the play and even make sneaky moves.
          But I also know he takes bad penalties and has issues contributing to the scoreboard.

          So it’s a mixed bag as of now for Eller.
          I think there’s still potential for him to improve, but it’s not a certainty that he puts it all together.

          • krob1000 says:

            DD had 1 point in first 20 something games! He then got oustcored by everyone in the playoffs despite the best role…….do those 40 games and the entire shortened season not count either? He was 3rd best center then too. He had a great 60 game stretch but that is it….abosulutely no evidence he is any better than Eller….and illustrates he s just as inconsistent as a producer.

          • krob1000 says:

            DD completely vanished for 23 fgames….and when he vanuishes there is nothing else he brings. Even when Eller struggled and boy di he struggle…he still brings other aspects to the game.

          • shiram says:

            I don’t see why you insist on comparing him to our other centers, where it has no basis on the conversation.

            Fact is he’s been inconsistent and has not proven to be a top 6 center yet.
            His next contract should reflect that.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          I literally have ZERO doubt that ANY of Chcuky, Pleks or Eller if given DD situational role and top wingers would outproduce him

          I agree.

        • twilighthours says:

          Man. Where to begin?

          • krob1000 says:

            try with the facts…DD had one good 60 game stretch…a rough season prior, an Ellerly brutal 1st quarter and a rough playoff statistically (although I thought he actaully played some of his better hockey). Begin where you wish…the numbers and what has happened don’t lie…Eller has matched DD even offensively when given the chance and Dd has stumbled too….it is all right there for everyone to see but in order to do so one has to first be willing to see it.

          • twilighthours says:

            Totally. I’m not sure you’re willing though.

          • krob1000 says:

            Let’s see it…show me where DD is better than any other center that has ben gvien top role in MOntreal over the years…show me where eh outplayed Eller and I can show you where Eller outplayed him with his hands tied and in much diff’t role…or Pleks for that matter. Eller outplayed him with Weise and Bourque or CHcuky and Gally for 45 games this year…but everyone only wishes to see the last 55 games of the reg season???how is this possible? DD numbers are the same as Gomez’s were, less than PLeks were in that role, less than Koivu in that role,etc,etc….why do people refuse to acknowledge this? I just do not get it. Really what is it about Dd that has people believing this?

          • twilighthours says:

            I’m out. Can’t do it.

            I’ll quote Gord… Do you think I bow out because I think you’re right? Or cause I don’t want to fight?

            I guess we will just disagree on this one.

            I like your passion though.

    • Chris says:

      Why? RFA’s don’t normally get dealt with until a few days after the UFA window has opened.

      Bergevin has left plenty of cap space to sign both guys to fair deals. I am guessing 8 years at an average cap hit of $8.5 million for Subban and either 2 years at $3 million (to get him to UFA status) or 4 years at $4 million for Eller.

      • krob1000 says:

        The “why” is for the reasons I stated…both guys had what we perceived as long stints in MT doghouse….he has 3 year contract…Eller has to know his ability and PK just may think he is a good enough person already. I still don’t think team should pay PK 8 per season… me the idea that he will make that much more than Keith, Doughty, Karlsson,etc bothers me…..there are no guarantees with the cap moving forward…it surprised everyone this year on the low side.

        • Chris says:

          The cap surprised everybody because the Canadian dollar dropped and, more importantly, the players voted to keep some of the revenue money out of the projections so they could avoid escrow.

          The cap will go up.

      • mksness says:

        i don’t think eller is a 3 million player although after the contracts signed and if gionta is worth 4 i guess he is worth that as well.

        man is PK ever going to cash in

    • knob says:

      Eller stated at the end of the year that he feels he can contribute in a top six role. Sorry I do not have a link.

      With that said, Eller goes short term and walks when he is an UFA. There is no way that MT moves DD out of a top 2 centre spot and Galchenyuk is in the wings.

      It is too bad as in my humble opinion, Eller is better than DD and should be the second line centre and Galchenyuk should be the line 1 centre.

      • krob1000 says:

        I would LOVE to see Eller play top 6 role…maybe even get top line minutes. I believe DD is the 4th best option in that role myself but I know I am in the minority.
        I think a duo of Patches/Eller would be incredibly difficult to handle for any team. You would not need to shelter that line as much…whereas I think Chcuyk could also do well there but would need some better managed situational ice. Pleks? also could paly that line at any time…the thing that bothers me with DD (although he palyed better away from puck in playoffs) is the usage. I also beleive if DD could somehow shoot more his effectivenss would increase but he doesn’t seem to want to do that.

        I think Patches-Eller-Gally would be awesome
        You could then have Chucky-PLeks-Parenteau
        Bournival-DD-Bourque (IF DD can produce let’s see him in this role as it would create a much more balanced attack and eliminate the need to shelter or favour one line in offensvie circumstances having the stability of one solid defensive palyer on each line. It would also allow a 4th line of PRust-Malhotra-Weise which a pretty damn good 4th line.

        • knob says:

          I know that you are a strong believer in Plekanec but I think that his time as a top 6 player has past him by. I could be wrong though.

          I’m going to modify your Lline 1 suggestion a bit and switch Gallagher with Bourque. Bourque and Eller seem to read well off each other and don’t mind the cycle game, which would leave Max open to do his thing. Gallagher is not that strong of a cycle guy. He is more of a Dino Ciccerelli player (jam the net and irritate people). Gallagher might work better with Galchenyuk and Parenteau.

    • habs_54321 says:

      pk seemed to flourish just fine in the 2013 season.

  15. krob1000 says:
    Eklund has KOivu and Habs talking?
    If this is in fact true then it means they are shopping a large package of player with one of the teams centers involved and likely Moen/Tokarski or something along those lines.

    • dr. schmutzdeker says:

      No tanks…been there, done that (years ago). Onwards and upwards.

    • Chris says:

      I sincerely doubt that Koivu has any chance of coming back to play with Montreal. It just doesn’t make sense for the team to add another centre when they already have a log-jam of centres.

      Koivu is undersized, he has slowed dramatically, and his offence has basically disappeared. He’s still my favourite player in the NHL (along with Higgins and Markov), but he’s a shadow of the player he once was.

      My bet is Koivu goes back to Finland and plays one season with TPS and then retires. Another possibility, but much more doubtful, is that he retires and becomes an assistant coach. I don’t really see that happening on the short-term. I envision him going back to Finland and joining the administration of the Finnish national team (currently run by Jari Kurri) while his kids go through school.

      • CJ says:

        I agree with Chris. I think the Koivu ship has sailed.

      • krob1000 says:

        So do I….only thing that makes me wonder if the constant media attention to the lackof leadership…I personally don;t buy but a ton of hockey people seem to think they removed to much…maybe MB starting to doubt? Not sure…I think the chances are slim to none too but found it interesting it was somewhere other than on here.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Good. That means it won’t happen.

    • Habfan17 says:

      If they are talking, it could be to sign a one game contract so Saku can retire a Hab. There was a team that did this a while back. That makes sense, nothing else does.


    • Forum Dog says:

      The only way Koivu would make sense is if they were packaging one of their current (smaller) centres to try and get an upgrade on the wing. There is absolutely no point in adding Koivu to the mix with Desharnais and Plekanec already there.

  16. bleedhabs81 says:

    A single rider gallops towards town, his steeds hooves pounding the cobble stone. A lonely voice yelling to raise the people from their beds:


    Some of the towns people begin to panic and murmur. Others, the smarter ones, knowing there is no real urgency go back to sleep.

    Now, some will argue that we were so much tougher with Parros in the line up. Guys were safer, played bigger, less cheap shots were taken and everyone went home with there lunch monies.

    My reply:

    When was Parros in the lineup???? I doubt there was any intimidation factor sitting in the press box, this despite the shadow his mustache must have cast on the opposing players bench from that height.

    but but, he fought! I saw it! Ya, he did, and he cranked his head off the ice and missed a month… this before he spent the majority of the year as a scratch.

    So to those who say we need an enforcer, someone who cannot brandish a hockey stick, or skate with reasonable ease up the ice, but tenderize another human being with his knuckles, I say get your head out of your backside!

    Tough, sure! Guys who stand up for each other? Definitely! But we definitely don’ t need a pure enforcer….

    my two cents

    • frontenac1 says:

      So you like it when Prust and Moen have to take on the Heavyweights?

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        It is not my face.

        They play better when they have a 4th line comprised of 3 guys who can take regular shifts. Tougher guys with skill are prefered, obviously.

        If that means taking a few lumps from John Scott before turtling, so be it.

        But further to the point, when did Parros play? When they knew that they were playing a team with a John Scott, or a Colton Orr? So, they only put an enforcer in the lineup when they anticipated the other team had an eforcer to also put on?

        Why did they not put an enforcer on when the other team did not have one themselves? Wouldn’t they have the upper hand since they had the biggest, slowest (but very nice) guy on the ice? hmmmm…. it seems like this strategy would almost always result in a win (I were to go by the comments here).

        WAIT! I know why they didn’t put Parros on the ice when there was not an enforcer on the other team… he would be useless!

        SO… can’t we just do the same… render their enforcer useless by not inviting our big ape to the party? Make their big lug sit for 58 minutes a game, take a bad penalty, and cause them to shorten their bench for the entire night?

        I just don’t get the one sided logic of only needing a big guy for the others team’s big guy…. why not always have a big guy if it makes you that much better against the smaller teams? We had a big guy and he didn’t play 90% of the games (I didn’t do any math, I just made that percentage up… but it is pretty close i imagine)

        • frontenac1 says:

          Not disagreeing on some of your points amigo. That’s why I like a guy like Jay Rosehill. He can skate and actually play the game. He played 32 games for the Flyers last season, had a couple of goals and assists. He can also fight. 9 fights, 1 loss against McGratton. He has one year left at 750k.

          • bleedhabs81 says:

            We are probably closer to the same page than my exaggerated post.

            I was just feelin a bit cheeky today.

            The ideal situation is a big, tough defenseman (or 4th liner) who can play reasonable minutes and does not regularly go looking for a fight, but can and can do some damage when he does.

  17. Habfan17 says:

    I think those who would like to see Pleks as “transformed” into more of an offensive force, need to look at his career stats. Not just in the NHL. He has never been an offensive force and that is not due to having a lack of quality wingers. Danial Alfredson filled the same role with Ottawa, mentoring young wingers, helping players in slumps get going and playing against the other teams top line! He still put up points. Pleks has not. He is what he is. A solid defensive centre with average offence. Nothing more, nothing less. In 9 season’s, adjusted for games actually played ( 8.25 seasons), Pleks has averaged 53 points per season. In 3 seasons in Hamilton, he averaged 58.6 points, and in 2 seasons in Kladno he averaged 20 points/season.

    The real issue is that as solid he is on defence, he does not raise the level of play of his linemates. That is he doesn’t make players his linemates better. He may benefit slightly from more consistent linemates, although one could argue he always had Gionta on one side, I just don’t see him helping anyone produce offence. Vanek may have been pouting, but I think he was right when he said it was a mistake having him with Pleks! Plek’s does not have strong creative and set up skills.


    • Ozmodiar says:

      He’s had 69 and 70 point seasons. Either would be a career high for any other player on the roster. When he put up 70, he had defensive responsibilities with better wingers. If that’s just “average offense”, then what does that say about our current #1 center??

      (Alfredsson’s a very bad comparison. A winger who had much better line mates and less defensive responsibilities.)

      • Habfan17 says:

        Yes, but you are comparing him to Habs players. I agree with you. The Habs have not had an elite player for a long time. When was the last time the Habs had a player in the top 10 or 15 in scoring, not just goals. The Habs have Patches and he is an elite goal scorer.
        Two seasons out of nine with that production is not enough.
        I will agree to disagree with you with regards to Alfredson. I live in Ottawa and he played a lot with rookies, to help break them in and with players stuck in droughts! he also played against the other teams top lines and was a 200 foot player. He also killed penalties.
        If you would like other comparables, use Datsyuk and Zetterberg.
        Pleks has had decent talent on his wings too, Kostitsyn, Kovalev, and some would add Gionta, maybe not last season.


        • Ozmodiar says:

          He’s put up over 50 points in 5 of the last 7 seasons (lockout pro-rated). Not bad considering the revolving door of offensively mediocre line mates.

          When he’s been given a gifted winger (Kovy, Cammy), he’s picked it up a notch. That’s what folks want to see again. I don’t see why that’s so crazy, or hard to understand.

          Comparing his #’s to future HoF’s isn’t really useful when trying to determine his role on the team. Better to compare to other players on the team, no?

  18. adesbarats says:

    It would seem to me that the longer we go without signing PK, the greater the risk of someone slipping in with a crazy offer sheet. Am I just being paranoid? Can someone please put my mind at ease.

    • shiram says:

      Why would team wanting to make an offer sheet wait?
      Well they could wait to see which UFA they can sign, but most UFA are gone now.

      MTL would match anything up to about 8.5 millions, I feel, and even more depending on the team offering the contract.

      • adesbarats says:

        My main concern was a team that has lots of cap space. A team that is building a young core and doesn’t expect to reach peak with that young core until say 5 years out. Maybe a team like that might make some crazy offer sheet like 10 years at 9mil per knowing that cap inflation will help cover. And now they have a guy they can build around. But yeah, you’re probably right. If that was a real scenario, probably would have happened by now.

        • shiram says:

          Subban might want to go to a team that can compete now though.
          And whatever team offering 9 millions also needs to have all their own first round pick available.

    • Chris says:

      Not paranoid, but unnecessarily worried. There aren’t many teams that have the cap space to swoop in with an offer sheet.

      Of those that do, Subban is unlikely to choose a team that has no hope of contending. Others have no interest in going beyond the salary floor…they are already bleeding money.

      And of the precious few that are left, they have to be willing to part with their next four first round draft picks, because Bergevin will match anything under $8.5 million.

      So what teams are crazy enough to try to meet all those criteria? The only teams I would be worried about are Anaheim, San Jose and possibly Detroit. And offer sheets are not really an MO of either San Jose or Detroit, who prefer to build through the draft and are generally very successful at finding good players.

    • New says:

      I wouldn’t worry about it. Firstly you have no control over such a thing, secondly only TO might offer, thirdly Montreal could use four extra first rounders and with teams like TO those are usually good places to pick from, fourthly PK has demonstrated a tendency to take it to the wire in negotiations, so your worry zone could easily stretch into mid-October. Not worth your time.

  19. habsguy92 says:

    just for fun, what do you guys think of these combos for Oct 1.

    Pacioretty – Desharnais – Gallagher
    Galchenyuk – Plekanec – Parenteau
    Weise – Eller – Bourque (excellent line in the playoffs)
    Bournival – Malhotra – Prust

    Subban – Gilbert
    Markov – Emelin
    Beaulieu – Weaver


    Scratches/next up – Sekac, Moen, Tinordi

    My main reservation is playing gallagher and DD together, perhaps too small of a first line. And its not like pacioretty plays his size.

    Hope Sekac can make the team, but where to put him?

  20. FormalWare says:

    3.0 THOUGHTS
    1.0: If I’m Lars Eller, I’m not necessarily looking for “DD money”; a flat $3M oughta do it. But I’m leaning toward a short-term deal, 2 years, at most. I’ve been misused (on the wing) and given short shrift for my effective two-way play. Yes, I’ve helped to make this mess; I looked (felt?) lost and unfocused for long stretches of the regular season. I’m determined to prove I can be an effective CENTRE in the NHL – and I’m totally uninterested in being “converted” to a winger. I’ll go to arbitration, if needs be, to keep the term short.

    2.0: If I’m Marc Bergevin, I’m long on PK Subban – and I’m letting him and his agent know that, right up front. I’m not delusional; I know that the “futures” price on PK’s UFA years is very steep, in today’s dollars. I also realize that a price that seems like overpayment, now, might very well seem a bargain when those years arrive, awash in TV revenue. I’d be willing to go as high on an 8-year deal as: $7.5, $7.5, $8.0, $8.0, $8.5, $8.5, $9.0, $9.0M.

    3.0: If I’m a Habs fan (and I am), I’m feeling good about the mix of players that will come to training camp, and about the likely makeup of the team on opening day. I’m willing to be patient with a slow start to the season, as the lines and D-pairs will take a little while to solidify. I’m expecting this team to win a few more games than it loses, even in the absence of further upgrades. I’m optimistic that the Habs will, once again, be “buyers” at the trade deadline.

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

    • Habfan17 says:

      I like the way you broke down the Salary for PK although I would guess he and his agent are looking at higher numbers if they go with a structure like you presented. You look at what both Kane and Toews are looking for and factor in when players like Doughty signed their contracts and the raising cap. I could see it being more like
      $7.5, $8.5, $9.5, $11, $11, $11, $12, $12.

      I can see Pk wanting to give the Habs a bit of a break so they can ice a competitive team and have a chance to win the cup every year. I don’t see him or his agent not factoring the rising cap and what other players are getting now and in the near future. I think that is why we haven’t seen a deal yet! They don’t want to leave a ton of money on the table. I don’t think PK wants to hand cuff the team either. He may be willing to take a bit less the first season or two, but he will want to make it up, other wise he is better off signing a shorter contract!


      • 123456 says:

        I’d go out 10 years on PK and try to get $8 avg. I’d also structure more cash up front. It’s a calculated risk but I don’t see 10 years being that much of a risk – stud DMen (save Redden – lol) don’t lose their skills overnight.

        • FormalWare says:

          10-year contracts are no longer allowed. Latest CBA makes 8 years the max – and only for a player’s current team (7 years max, all other teams).

          WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  21. eric says:

    Good article in the by randy sportak about theflames that also applies to the habs

  22. third generation haber says:

    We need an enforcer! With Parros in the line-up (yes, I know he sucks), our players didn’t get victimized. Without him, there would have been another: Pacioretty/ Eller type incident.

    I don’t want the enforcer in the line-up every night, just when it’s warranted.

    Having Tinordi fill this role would be a mistake; he’s talented, too young to take on a bunch of NHL heavy weights, and a d-man. Our enforcer should be a 4th liner.

    j.p. murray

    • fastfreddy says:

      I don’t think Tinnordi should be the enforcer, but if he’s on a reg. shift, he’s big enough and tough enough to take on some goons, not saying always.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

      • third generation haber says:

        He’s only 22 years old; I don’t want to see a 1st rounder have his career derailed because of a concussion fighting a very experienced NHL heavy-weight.

        Problem is, u can’t hold this kid back. If there’s no enforcer signed to take care of this, Tinordi will take-on every goon we face.

        j.p. murray

        • Chris says:

          Agree whole-heartedly. The team either needs to get an experienced goon, or they need to tell Tinordi that it isn’t his job to fight everybody’s battles.

          That desire to be a good teammate is ultimately what I think killed Mike Komisarek’s career as a top-4 defenceman in the NHL. Once his shoulder got mangled, he was never the same.

          Prust is the same way…he constantly charges in to fight guys despite bad shoulders, and then he’s a pale imitation of his healthy self.

          In a perfect world, you don’t need to fight all that many times in a season. There will always be particularly dirty plays that players feel like they need to avenge, but so many of the fights are useless attempts to set a physical tone or to change momentum. That is the kind of stuff that I will be 100% annoyed to see Tinordi engaged in.

          • CJ says:

            Three things killed Komi’s career;

            1) He was insulated playing with Markov. When he was separated from Markov, he was exposed.
            2) Hooking, obstruction and the defence partner interfering on the incoming forechecker slowed the game down. As the game began being officiated differently, defenders who were not fleet of foot began being exposed.
            3) Lucic ruined his confidence. The moment he engaged Lucic in a fight, was the moment things turned. Sure, his shoulder was maligned, but I also believe the 6 inches between his ears absorbed a major strike.

        • CJ says:

          I think the other issue is I would rather have my enforcer be a fourth liner then a defenceman. I don’t like the shuffling that occurs when a defenceman is in the box for 5 minutes or more. It is easier to absorb the loss of a forward during the game, then it is a defenceman.

          I don’t want to see Tinordi fight constantly either, but I would like to make sure that
          Just my two cents….

    • Grimmly says:

      Welcome to 2014, the day of the enforcer is gone. This team will not waste a router spot on an enforcer, MB has shown that.

      • third generation haber says:

        Then why are there so many goons in the league??? John Scott, Colton Orr, Matt Kassian, Joel Rechlizh, Patrick Bordeleau, Brian McGratton, etc.

        Without an enforcer, it is open-season on our players.

        If MB didn’t believe in enforcers, he wouldn’t have signed Jack Nevins or invited Imama Bokondji to develpment camp.

        j.p. murray

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          That is simply not true, an enforcer does not discourage anyone as any “revenge” is an after the fact thing, even with Parros dressed and on the bench, certain players will take runs at others. It is the only embarrassing thing about hockey, that somehow we think that it is “manly” in hockey to fight someone because they hurt your feelings while playing a game. In most of life, these would be the outcasts and cowards, not the heroes.

          • dr. schmutzdeker says:

            The reality is (like it or not) you need some players in the lineup who may serve as a bit of a deterrence when things are on the verge of getting out of hand (keeping in mind that the majority of players on any given team have little or no interest in participating in the extra curricular stuff).

            Or…serve notice that there will be a response to any nastiness/attempt to intimidate/limit the effectiveness of skilled players through nastifness. (as opposed to what we have seen in the past during the Goat years)

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            Hello Dr. It is only reality because no one has changed it. It could be changed instantly if it wasn’t a marketable thing for the NHL. If you simply outlawed fighting, it would stop, and the game would not miss it. The marketers would miss it.

          • dr. schmutzdeker says:

            I agree Loopy. (I think we’re barking up the same tree). I hate the idea of wasting a valuable roster spot on a guy who can only fight. I just think that it’s still necessary to have some of that “jam” infused throughout the lineup in good players who can be useful in other roles like Wayne Simmonds et al. (see my response to Grimmly below).

        • shiram says:

          There’s so many, yet you can’t list more than 6?
          Enforcers are on their way out, but now other players who have skill and can play are now asked to fight as well.

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:

        Eggs-zachery (in repsonse to Mr. Grimee’s comment)…but only providing that there is that extra wee bit of toughness (for lack of a better term) element infused to a degree throughout the lineup.

        Would like to see a Wayne Simmonds clone and a couple of more (additional…as in 1 more forward and 1 more d) lesser lights to round out the lineup.

  23. BJ says:

    I think Bourque will continue his playoff hockey. He’s felt appreciated and he’s the type of person that needs that. I’m looking for a solid 25 goal season.

    • Paz says:

      I had a theory that Bourque responded well to playing alongside the captain, and that’s what kind of pushed his game forward.

      It’s like he needed to be “supervised”, to be held accountable every shift, by a linemate sitting next to him on the bench, who was the team captain.

      I know this is insulting to him, and I don’t feel good about it, but I believe this might have been the case this year.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        He looked good with Weise and Eller as well.

        • eric says:

          That line was a really good line so MT will probably break them up

        • Paz says:

          In the playoffs his game soared with Gionta and Eller.

          Once Eller got going, everyone who he played with looked good.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            So maybe Bourque looked good because Eller soared, and not because the captain was on his line.

          • Chris says:

            Eller is a big key for the team next season: when he’s on, he’s one of the top 2 or 3 players on the team. So somehow they have to get his head in the right space, so that a mistake doesn’t send him into a 10-game death spiral as has too often been the case throughout his NHL career.

          • 123456 says:

            I agree Chris – I think Eller is “over rated” by many because his day in and day out play does not stack up a lot of points. . . but when you see him in a groove man does he look good…. we need that groove to be deep so it’s hard for him to get derailed

        • Forum Dog says:

          They did. I think Eller is a good compliment for Bourque because he plays a physical, up tempo game, which is exactly what Bourque has to do to succeed. Add Weise into the mix and that could be a very good third line. One that skates, hits, and gets the puck to the net.

    • fastfreddy says:

      IMO, Bourque will have to show some consistent efforts for him to stay a Hab. And yes, I would love to see him score 25 + goals, did it before……

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • third generation haber says:

      I feel Bourque’s biggest problem has been his health. Concussions, (thank-u Colton Orr) had an impact. If he hits the ice healthy this year, I believe he will return to his two-time 27 goal form.

      j.p. murray

    • Welks says:

      I think the key to the Eller, Bourque combination and why it worked with Weisse and Gionta. I think more effectively with Weisse is that they all work best with a similar style. The North South high tempo crash the net style is where they have a higer comfort level. With Chucky who is more creative and less north south those 3 players do not seem to mesh as well. When they put Prust with Eller production went down because he is too slow to play with him, more of a grind.

  24. boing007 says:

    One comment from TSN webpage on Leafs trade day activities:
    11 hours ago

    So happy I’m not a leafs fan anymore.

    Richard R

  25. SmartDog says:

    Just thinking – since Plekanec has not been moved, I assume Galchenyuk or Eller are going to spend the better part of the coming year as wingers. Unless there’s an injury to a C. Makes sense – keep Plekanec another year at least and sort out your C situation later. It also gives us depth at C for injury.

    But if I were the Habs, I’d try to get Plekanec’s and Eller’s numbers up. If there’s a trade to be done a year from now, you want these guys to be shining bright.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  26. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

    2734. C’mon, let’s ‘Ryan White’ this sucker.

    Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!

  27. habsguy92 says:

    All here in favor of a new thread say AYE

    • SmartDog says:

      How about a profile of Maholtra with some quotes about his new team? Or more about this Czech kid. Or the defenseman no-one knows (I can’t even remember his name).

      I remember now how LAME HIO gets in the summer. A journalism intern could make stories out of some interviews with our new players for crying out loud.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Habs_4_ever says:

        Hear, hear!!!

        “Leave the gun, take the cannoli.”

      • Chris says:

        I’m sure they could, if newspapers were still in the business of hiring people. Unfortunately, the climate now is one of perpetual job cuts, as people don’t want to pay for their information and there is simply a glut of non-expert stuff out there for free.

        And the fine to The Onion last year has understandably made every media outlet very wary of using unpaid interns. And that is something I 100% support: unpaid internships are a scourge that should be eradicated.

  28. Paz says:

    Call me crazy, haha! I’m waiting…..

    But I would somewhat, not entirely, “re-invent” Plekanec into a more offensive minded player. He can be a 70 point player, not 38!

    1) off the penalty kill and replaced by a whole bunch of guys who we have available. The team is loaded with good penalty killers, including Bournival, who I believe could become another Guy Carbonneau in the making.

    2) give him more time on the power play. Desharnais is not good enough there, his performance has been dreadful. I’d like to see Plekanec and Galchenyuk on the first line power play.

    3) give him more offensive starts and more offensive responsibility, give more defensive starts to Eller and Malhotra, who are our best face off men

    If we can get Pkekanec more offensive opportunities he could rebound and become a 60-70 point centreman again!

  29. Arnou Ruelle says:

    Good Morning,

    Amidst of all the PK Subban talk, I like to throw this question from the HIO community:

    How many of you wants to see Saku Koivu back?

  30. Maritime Ronn says:

    GMMB has done a great job cleaning out the contract mess left behind ( Gomez-Kaberle-Cole) – then moving a mistake (Briere), and not re-signing Gionta (3 years/$4.25M per) – and moving out what has become a ‘not-good’ contract and an ‘in the way’ guy such as Gorges.

    The last pieces of the puzzle are:
    1) Moen – 4 goals in 110 games over the past 2 seasons.
    Was also beat up bad and concussed.
    His PK time can easily be handled by Plex-Malhotra-Prust-Eller-Max…
    An absolute waste of $1.85M Cap Space for the next 2 years

    2) Budaj – It has been proven that he cannot do the job when he realises he is the #1.
    At $1.4M he is overpaid when you have a Tokarski in the wings at $562K.
    With yesterday’s signing of Joey McDonald along with already having Mike Condon, Budaj’s days may be numbered.

    • CJ says:

      Good morning Ronn.

      I agree that these are two pieces that can be removed from the chess board. The harsh reality of a salary cap world is that decisions are made, with both personnel and financial implications in mind. As such, another two great guys are going to be moved along. We simply can’t ignore the dollar value that an approximately $2 million dollars savings holds going forward.

      I have always really liked Moen, who fought and played tough minutes for us when nobody else would/could, the same as Ryan White. That said, the concussions that he has sustained have seriously altered the way in which he plays the game. In the same manner in which I will always remember White hammering Boychuk, I will always remember Moen dusting Iggy in the playoffs, along the boards.

      If we could wrestle fifth round picks for both players, I would suggest that Bergevin will have done as well as he could.

      • kalevine says:

        I like your thinking :)

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi CJ

        GMMB was quite clear in his press conference.
        He said there are hockey moves-business moves-and a combo of both.

        It appears a lot of the GMs were caught off guard with the $69M Cap instead of the reported $71-$73M.

        Every single Cap dollar is precious.
        Once the Habs take care of business with Subban/Eller, there won’t be much of a cushion left – somewhere around $3M-$5M.

        If the status quo remains (no quick trades) the missing piece is that 13th-14th forward….a long shot, yet maybe a guy ‘like’ Paul Bissonette

        • CJ says:

          Biz Nasty is certainly the type of player we need in our 23 man roster. I am not sure whether or not Bergevin and the management team would welcome his off ice personality, but the guy is willing and able to go to war for his teammates.

    • JUST ME says:

      More than dealing with the leftovers from the previous management what i like about Bergevin is that he is not the type to enter auctions around a player that he might regret later. The further he went about taking a risk was with Vanek and it was worth the experience.

      There will always be those kind of remaining deals that with time looks senseless but i find it unfair today to say differently than yesterday. Always easier after the facts. Budaj is part of the successes of that team and well worth what he is earning although we agree that a number 2 goaler has a limited due date. Not that convinced that Tokarski is not worth more for the Habs as a trade bait.

      As for Moen it`s the same thing. He had his utility and did the job . He may be damaged good today but one has to deal with that as there are those cases in every team.

      It`s like those who claim good ridance towards a guy like Gorges. The guy has been here for 7 years and now he is trash ? I think that getting traded comes with the territory and should not be treated with any sentiment but we must not either be totally without any recognition towards what has been done in the past.

      All those we want to get rid of still are part of a great little team that made my decade a few months ago !

      • CJ says:

        It is certainly tough to set emotions aside. Like you, I had a ton of respect for Gorges. I hold Moen, White, Budaj all in the same company. I don’t know that there was a bigger White fan, outside of his immediate friends and family. That said, I think MM will be an upgrade and, at $850k for one season, is very good value. White could have been depth, but Bergevin said it best – sometimes a student needs a new teacher. So long as he doesn’t sign in Toronto, Boston or Ottawa – maybe Philly too, then I will be happy to continue to wish him well.

        The fact is, if we can jettison Moen and Budaj for late round picks, then I say we go for it. It has nothing to do with the personality, but the savings, nearly $2 million dollars, simply can not be ignored.

    • CH Marshall says:

      Is Claude Giroux winning at life?

    • Andy and the habs says:

      Great article indeed. PK Subban as a whole package is unique. He has the ability to be one of the greatest no doubt about it. His physicality is there, puck possession is impeccable, his skating is top of the line, hockey smarts one of the best also. When other players don’t think there is open ice he just cuts through catching defenders or forwards off guard. Only he and Pleks are able to see a hit coming and avoid it in the nick of time. This show quickness. His physical strength is impressive like he showed during playoff when he was practically pushing around opponents and almost lifting them in mid air. PK Subban is here to stay and he will be making a difference.

    • twilighthours says:

      The kid talks too much. I don’t like his attitude. I bet his teammates don’t either. He’s a cancer. Time to move him.

  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    It’s topical, with the NHL draft having taken place this weekend, for fans to question their team’s drafting acumen and expertise. It’s certainly easy to critique a team’s record with hindsight, it’s right there for everyone to see, you can dial it up on hockeydb whenever you like. You look at the player your team got, then agonize about the guy who was picked one or three spots later.

    We almost had a cottage industry spring up this season around the Louis Leblanc-Chris Kreider draft in 2009, with the latter’s success in the playoffs, and the former’s stalled development and eventual trade to the Ducks.

    Heck, I’ve done it. I questioned some of the picks the Habs made on Saturday, and I had a mini nervous breakdown during the 2013 draft, feeling that the mix of prospects that was acquired was much less than optimal, given the prospects already in the system.

    Yet we’ve looked at the Canadiens’ drafting record over the last decade or so, some number crunching that’s been done comparing NHL teams’ draft successes and failings, and the Canadiens come out looking pretty good.

    One study done by Canucks bloggers lamented the chronic failures of their scouting team under Ron Delorme, and set up an experiment comparing their record to one whereby the team would have foregone all the expensive scouting and experts travelling the world. Instead, an algorithm was set up by which the Canucks pick the highest-scoring CHL forward left on the draft board. That’s it. Just goals and assists. No compete level, no size, no coach opinions were considered, just the points tally. And the algorithm wins, hands down. Meanwhile, Trevor Timmins and his team come up smelling roses against that same method.

    Now comes another study done by Allan Muir of Sports Illustrated. He wondered which teams did the best job finding hidden treasures in the later rounds of the draft, so he looked at teams’ picks after the second round from the 2005 draft onwards.

    He doesn’t set a bar, a specific criterion by which he’ll rank the teams 1 through 30. Instead, he puts the results in a table format, looking at the number of players who played at least one game, at least 100, the total number of games played by these draftees, as well as the points they put up. He also takes into account goalie success.

    With these loose parameters, he doesn’t crown a champ, but lists the Canucks as clearly the worst team, with the Oilers, Panthers, Jets and Flames rounding out the most inept. At the other end of the scale, he finds that the Predators, the Blue Jackets and the Kings have had the most success.

    We can debate these findings on many fronts. It would be nice if he’d factored in the relative draft position these teams have had, how many actual picks they had, and this has been done in other more rigorous studies. Another factor he doesn’t account for is that a perennially strong team has a roster that’s harder to crack, while weak sisters like the Jackets or Preds offer an easier path, a better opportunity for these late-round prospects. Still, it’s one more snapshot from another perspective on how teams do at the draft table.

    And again in his study, the Canadiens come out at the top end. It’s actually debatable that they are the best team in terms of pure numbers, but Mr. Muir factored in All-Stars like Jamie Benn heavily in his analysis.

    In any case, the actual numbers reported show that the Habs had seven late rounders play at least one game, and five play at least 100. They’ve amassed 170 goals and 414 points. Mr. Muir zeroes in on Brendan Gallagher, appropriately, as the best player to be selected from these 43 total picks.

    All these numbers are in the top end of the list of teams. So again, despite the brickbats thrown at Trevor Timmins, he and his team are doing their job. They’re producing, objectively. The results are there.

    So I’ll leave Nikolas Koberstein and Daniel Audette alone for the next couple of years, give them a chance to prove Trevor Timmins and the Canadiens’ brain trust right. It’ll be a challenge, I’ll slip up once in while, but it’s getting hard to bloviate past the evidence.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    So Darren Dreger on the radio here in T.O. this morning is saying that the Islanders overpaid for Kulemin and Grabo and how they aren’t players worth that money. Why do I believe that if Nonis had re-signed Kulemin for the same amount, Dreger would have been on the air saying, Kulemin is a vital piece for Toronto and that is the going rate for a UFA in that situation……

    I love how he is now doing P.R. work for his cousin(?) Nonis over the airwaves……

    • Maritime Ronn says:


    • formerly known as the hc says:

      I don’t see this as a change. CBC, TSN, Sportsnet…. The pile is different but same crap. Always the Toronto Sports Network, especially from a westerners perspective. I think folks on here just notice TSN more now because CBC kicking is effectually now irrelevant. Which, BTW, I don’t think things will change with Rogers calling the shots. They will always pander to the single largest market (S. Ontario).

      -The beatings will continue until morale improves-

  33. 24 Cups says:

    Why would MB undo all his hard work of the past two years to take a chance on losers such as Heatley, Penner, Malone or Leino? The only player I might have gone out on a limb for would have been Havlat at 1.5M.

    I’ll bet a pitcher at Hurley’s Pub that given the same chance and icetime, Bournival could outperform any of the guys I just mentioned.

    24 Cups

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree, Havlat is a nice player, but wow does he have no luck with injuries. As for the rest, yup don’t see how MB could ever make those moves. He would rather find a trading partner I think than sign any of that Motley Crew.

  34. SmartDog says:

    Bergevin’s player changes may not have made the Habs “a better team” by themselves or immediately.

    But looking at the bigger picture, they:
    1. Make us bigger and younger.
    2. Add some new leadership and skills (face-offs)
    3. Open up opportunities for our younger and ready players (D primarily).
    4. Open up more cap space now and in the future

    I think these have to be viewed as good moves – and they DO absolutely make us stronger. Bergevin is being shrewd and planning for the future while working on the present. Which is the smart way to do things – especially with so many good young players getting stronger each year.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I agree. One poster on here, forget who, said it exactly correct. They are not a better team, but they are in a better position.

      • 123456 says:

        OMG that was me and I was just going to agree with Smartdog. MB seems to be doing a great job setting the team up for future success w/out diminishing the present.

  35. marlboro says:

    I would like Danny Heatly on a one year (prove yourself) deal. Theres a Top Six who might need a change in scenery..

    • Captain aHab says:

      Might? :-0

      Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Habfan17 says:

      I think I would rather see Penner on a one year


      • HabinBurlington says:

        The timing of his arrest last season seems to have really hurt his chances at a decent UFA contract. Who knows how screwed up he is upstairs, one hopes it was a stupid one night event, but you really have to wonder. We have enough snow in Montreal over the winter, Penner bringing his Southern white stuff to the locker room wouldn’t be helpful.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Agree with the change of scenery…to Kazakhstan of the KHL.
      After earning $61.725M in his NHL career, there may be a motivation factor to consider along with some dressing room harmony…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The physical aspect / scoring ability of Heatly is indeed tempting. But given how every team that has had him has been seemingly happy to be rid of him, I think the risk is just too high. The Habs are still more of a lunchbucket hardworking team with some young talent on the rise. I don’t think Heatly fits the team, especially with all the CHaracter talk we have heard from MB.

      Do understand the concept you present, a guy with incredible scoring touch who is nearing the end of his career, could have enough gas left on a 1 year contract to perhaps get one more payday.

    • CJ says:

      I invite you to read my response to this suggestion last night. I wouldn’t sign Heatley if he agreed to play for free. Heck, he couldn’t even consistently crack the Wild’s playoff roster. If we are serious about signing guys with character, then he is at, or very near, the bottom of the list.

    • formerly known as the hc says:

      No. Never to Heatley.

      -The beatings will continue until morale improves-

  36. Ian Cobb says:

    Great analysis RONN!
    Your right! Does PK play with Markov steady now or just on the power play.
    I do not think he can play PK’s min. ?

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  37. BriPro says:

    So Trini posted that Kovalev has retired.
    Can you imagine such a world-class talent, if he had the work ethic of say… Gallagher?

  38. 24 Cups says:

    With the Leafs buyout factored in, Mikhail Grabovski will make an average of $6.8M a year over the next four seasons. Vinny will be 6.6M a year for the next four years plus another 5M in bonus money.

    24 Cups

  39. Maritime Ronn says:

    Here’s wondering if this is finally the year Subban gets to play with a top partner, and not a partner that should be a 3rd pairing.

    Duncan Keith is a great Dman.
    His partner is Seabrook.
    Does Keith win the Norris playing multiple games with Bouillon-Gorges?

    Some of the other excellent Dmen in the league also have better than average partners

    Weber-Jones (had Suter)

    To Start:

    In regards to specialty teams, the Habs may finally have a 2nd Unit PP with Beaulieu-Gilbert.

    This could/should cut Subban’s PP time, then maybe we can see him on some PK duty.
    Markov’s PP and PK time should decrease, therefore moving his minutes down to a more comfortable 20-22 instead of 25.

    • BriPro says:

      Morning Ron,
      I don’t see MT compromising Markov’s PP time.
      Hopefully, he’ll manage the rest better.

      • JohnInTruro says:

        Markov doesn’t typically stay out beyond a minute anyhow unless the play is locked in the O-zone.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          True, yet as the season progresses, and IF Beaulieu can handle things, there wouldn’t be a big surprise if he plays some 1st Unit PP.

          • BriPro says:

            That wouldn’t surprise me. He certainly has the hockey IQ.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Hi Bri

            I saw Beaulieu on the ice at The Bell Centre for Game 5 against the Rangers.

            Stuff one doesn’t see on the television was the noticeable ‘concern’ the Rangers had when Beaulieu was on the ice vs. let’s say Gorges-Emelin.

            Even though young, there was a lot of Rangers maneuvering to cut down his skating or passing lanes…call it respect for his offensive abilities

  40. kalevine says:

    It isn’t just a matter of being more physical or not when it comes to new players. Sometimes it’s just strength. I admit I have not noticed Gilbert, but generally someone his size, even if he doesn’t lay on the body, is not as easily displaced as someone Gorge’s size. Same goes for our forwards. Gionta was not shy, but he was pushed around like a rag doll in the end. Pleks is great with the stick but he’s not even strong enough to win battles with Kyle Turris

    • Hobie says:

      I find it hilarious that people get mad that we might have gotten bigger but not tougher. The main idea behind getting bigger is the ability to battle for position and shrug off someone leaning on you.

      People are saying that Parenteau isn’t tougher than Gionta or Briere and it makes not difference. That’s crazy. If Parenteau heads into the corner or along the boards against a 6’2″ defenceman he’s got a much better chance to come away with the puck than Gionta or Briere.

      When the Habs would dump the puck in the corner and I’d see Gionta heading in there I knew the defenceman would easily pick up the puck and clear the zone. That will be more difficult for the opposition when it’s Parenteau flying in instead of a 5’8″ midget.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        There is some truth Hobbie to the saying “it isn’t the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog.” Some of the bigger players have to be willing to go in the corners and dig. Some players are not willing to pay the price. PA I am not that excited about to be honest. It speaks volumes that Colorado would take Briere over him in their line up

        • Hobie says:

          I’m not thrilled over Parenteau by any means. He’s just a bit bigger, longer reach and a few other things.

          We all know Pacioretty doesn’t lay people out or play aggressive. That doesn’t mean that when he’s racing for a puck, shoulder to shoulder, that his size and strength doesn’t come into play. If he were three or four inches shorter and 30lbs lighter he’d have less success.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I agree with your point Hobie I just am not sure about PA. I am just happy Briere is gone. I have never been a fan of his and last year did nothing to change that. PA has more upside at this point and should easily replace Briere’s points but we definitely have to add another RW that can score

      • Paz says:

        Good morning,

        Gallagher is 5’8, low center of gravity, but he wins a ton of battles.

        • Hobie says:

          Correct. Gallagher is a rare bread and also one of my favorite players. Unfortunately, you put a team of Gallaghers together against a big, strong team like L.A. or St. Louis and they’d get crushed.

    • punkster says:

      Let me just quibble away here…Gilbert is only 2 inches taller and 6 lbs heavier…little difference in size to base your theory on.

      Neither player are particularly “big” in NHL terms…just about the average size of an average NHL player (little over 6’1″ and 204 lbs was the average in 2010)

      The comment about players being “pushed around” seems to be a common theme for any player not perceived as being a physical presence.

      Pleks for example…you don’t need the size when your stick work, skating and hockey sense is of such high caliber.

      Release the Subbang!!!

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    2014 HIO FAN SUMMIT INFO! Special game tickets for HIO group!

    Bell Center just called me pertaining to Nov.8 Summit date.

    Everything is 99% in place for that date, but he can only confirm HIO tickets and price to me next week.
    You can order your SUMMIT tickets from me as soon as they confirm next week.
    We only have a small widow of time for you to send me your money orders for tickets, before they go to the general public.
    I believe we can get as many as you may need. I will let you all know the price and when you can order from me, ASAP…….
    Ian Cobb…63 Village Dr. Belleville On. K8P 4K2

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    • CJ says:

      Good morning Ian. If it suits you, I will pay in person on July 23 when we meet in Kingston with Front, Jim and Chris. Please let me know if this is satisfactory.

      Again, my sincere thank you for the work and time that you invest into this summit.

      Cheers, CJ

    • kalevine says:

      Hmm I might just go this year Ian, would be my first time. Please let us know how we can reach you privately as, being in the states, it might be hard to get you a CAD money order. Thanks for organizing!

  42. Hobie says:

    So it seems the Habs were in the running for Vrbata right down to the final minute before he chose Vancouver.

    Richard Labbé @Richardlabbe · 11h

    Vrbata’s people not commenting on #Habs rumors. Which usually means a deal is in place.

    Richard Labbé @Richardlabbe · 11h

    #Habs have been in Vrbata talks, looks like he is ready to come to a decision.

    Richard Labbé @Richardlabbe · 11h

    Looks like #Habs have missed out on Vrbata. VAN appears to be the choice. Confirmation to come.

  43. Captain aHab says:

    So was anyone at the Aretha Franklin concert last night? Sounds like that was one clusterf*** of a show. Music starting too early, she throwing her false eyelashes and wig to the crowd and then signing an encore off stage and incompletely.

    Guessing that this is the last time she’ll be at the Jazz Fest.

    Prepare to be boarded!!

  44. CHicoHab says:

    Patches 39 goals ranked him 4th in the league I believe. Stop with this silliness of including him in trades people!

    • Habfan17 says:

      Unless there is something that Bergevin knows that we don’t, I agree! I would much rather see Pleks traded for a 2nd line left wing or included to get a first line right wing.


  45. Habfan17 says:

    I think Rory Bolen missed the mark on The hockey News with his grade of C for the Habs free agent signings. I think they deserve a B+ Especially considering that there weren’t many marquee players available and the best ones out there were going to be over paid.

    Bergevin knows he has to balance giving the young core more responsibility, having opportunities for prospects to make the team and being able to compete and make the play offs.

    I think he managed to cover all these bases filling holes and providing balance. Are there a couple of ” would have been nice to get” players that would fill a need, such as an intimidating player for the 3rd or 4th line than can play, sure! Who really was available?

    Let’s see what the prospects show us all this season! I think Bergevin and his group did a great job to move the team forward and allow the core to develop!


    • kerrgte says:

      Yes, an amateurish assessment of MB’s actions.

      The real key to the team’s success is cap management. Mtl’s cap flexibility is much improved.

      A team’s success is built over time and with ongoing actions. MB is considered by other GM’s, his peers, to be among the best of the bunch.

      This free agency period is only one of a series of opportunities to improve the team.

    • JF says:

      These post-draft grades are meaningless. Apart from the top few players, no one knows how any of these kids will do. We’ll see in a few years.

      It is very clear that one of the key attributes Bergevin and his team are looking for is character. I think this explains some of the off-the-radar choices they made – like giving up two picks to grab Brett Lernout or drafting Nicholas Koberstein, about whom I read some good things, in the next round.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      I think that’s the same guy that gave the Leafs an A+ last year after they signed Clarkson to 7 years/$36.750M…and then locking up pending UFA Phaneuf with a 7 year/$49M…making Phaneuf the 5th highest Cap Hit in the NHL for all defencemen next year – tied with Doughty

    • CJ says:

      I would place absolutely zero stock in what the Hockey News thinks about free agency. They graded Calgary ahead of Montreal. There is nothing more to say.

      Equally interesting is always Sports Illustrated. Montreal didn’t even crack the top ten in their outlook for 2014-2015. San Jose however was once again number three. Take from that what you will. IMO, it’s called lazy journalism.

  46. Habfan17 says:

    @ habs001

    Overall, it is a wash. Parenteau replaces the offence from Gio, Malhotra should put up more points than White and at least as many as Briere. Gilbert will put up more than Gorges would have. Vanek is the only one who’s offence has not been replaced. He had 6 goals in 18 games with the Habs and 27 goals overall. His 68 points, if they had all come while with the Habs would need to be replaced and he probably would have put up somewhere around those numbers if he had stayed. Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Bourque should put up more points this season, especially with another defenceman, Gilbert, who can get the puck up better than Gorges could and he can put up points on his own. The PP should be better too. If Beaulieu sticks, that will also be another player who should make it easier for the forwards to score.

    The team is transitioning to one that can play that aggressive, fore checking, puck possession team we all like best! Bergevin and his group have done an admirable job, turning things around and adding the types of players that were missing.

    Camp should be interesting this year with Sherback, De La Rose and Sekac. I am sure a couple of others will push Bergevin to make some tough decisions.

    As Bergevin has said on more than one occasion, if a trade comes along that makes sense, he is open to make it!

    I am already looking forward to the start of next season!!


    • habstrinifan says:

      Wow they only gave HABS a C. I thought at least a B+ for MB.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    • 24 Cups says:

      Realistically, Parenteau is here to replace Vanek. Malhotra replaces Briere and Gilbert takes the spot for Gorges. Sekac is the 2nd round draft pick that we didn’t have in 2014.

      The only hole in the line-up that still hasn’t been filled is Gionta’s. Since all of the free agents have been signed, this dilemma is MB’s major headache at the present moment.

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      • Habfan17 says:

        I see Parenteau more as a replacement for Gionta. If he can fill Vanek’s spot even better! There are a few players that may be able to come in and fill the other right wing spot like Andrighetto or Sekac.


        • 24 Cups says:

          I thought of that alignment, as well. If so, then the Habs are right back where they started in terms of needing another Vanek like sniper. Andrighetto is too small, De La Rose needs time in Hamilton, Leblanc left for chump change and Sekac is a total shot in the dark at this point in time. But since the Habs seem to be out of viable options it just might mean one of these kids makes it by default.

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          • Habfan17 says:

            I am trying to be realistic. Parenteau hit 67 points once. I am thinking 55 points is more realistic. If he can get 55 points and one of the young players can come in and get at least 40, then the Habs are in good shape on the right side. 40 is what Gionta had. Gallagher had 41 and I would think 50 points is not a stretch for him. Let’s not forget that Bourque is better on the right side.


          • 24 Cups says:

            If given the proper ice time and opportunity, I think Bournival could be a top nine forward which would help with the issue at hand. For me, the game plan is simple, three balanced lines with MaxPac as the gunslinger and Galchenyuk as the breakthrough scorer.

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          • dr. schmutzdeker says:

            I’m seeing a lot of “ifs’. I think you’re correct re the Habs being out of viable options…might be an opportunity to test some of the kids.

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    Eugenie Bouchard has quickly become the media darling of Ladies tennis, neat to hear the U.S. broadcast crew just gushing over her.

    Go Genie Go!

  48. habstrinifan says:

    Alex Kovalev officially calls it quit.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

  49. Just thinking of a possible trade with Wpg? What would it take to acquire Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien? What to do?

    How about Pacioretty, Desharnais, Moen and a pick or prospect? Habs lineup could look something like this/

    Kane – Galchenyuk – Gallagher
    Markov – Subban

    Bornival – Plekanec – Parenteau
    Beauliea – Gilbert

    Bourque – Eller – Byfuglien
    Emelin – Weaver

    Prust – Malhotra – Weise
    Price – Budaj

    Spares – Sekac – Tinordi

  50. rhino514 says:

    I put it to you all that MB´s moves have been impressive, even very impressive, going back to the trade deadline; the team is stronger than they were at the beginning of last season…but they are not as strong as the team which iced Vanek in the playoffs, and they need to be as strong as that team was, to be contenders.
    I know Vanek didn´t have a great playoffs, but that really had more to do with playing alongside Pleks, who is not quite the offensive dynamo he once was (and having no time to develop any chemistry with him). Vanek took the pressure off of all of the other guys on the team to score, and this had a beneficial effect on the whole team. It´s no fluke that Eller and Bourque got it going in the playoffs. Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher will never sound nearly as good as Pacioretty-Desharnais-VANEK. In any case, it´s quite probable that Vanek had his sights set on Minnesota from the get-go.
    Looking at it in this light, MB is looking more and more like one heck of a GM; he has created room for interesting experiments, such as Andrighetto and Parenteau (possibly Sekac and Bournival as well; heck even Weise). These guys have some skill. I can see someone like Andrighetto coming in and having succes right away.
    But if they don´t excel as hoped for, there is enough talent there for those players to be passable, temporary, spot-fillers, without hurting the team too much. MB will have most of next season to patiently wait for the right deal to land a real sniper, even up to next year´s trade deadline, instead of overpaying for this FA season´s slim pickings. He will be working from a position of strength and leverage. The team will be able to be effective enough for a playoff spot even without the magic piece of the puzzle, especially with the defence looking more settled.
    Then, come the trade deadline, or perhaps before, MB assesses what he has, and if he needs that final piece (i.e. next year´s Vanek, though someone with a better chance of staying on) in order to make another deep playoff run, he will have the cap space and the resources, due to his excellent trades so far in terms of player for player value (Parenteau, Weise, Weaver, etc.) and depth moves , to get the player he wants.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Good post but unlike you and many on this page, I do not think I will have to learn to spell Andrighetto easily.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      • rhino514 says:

        You are probably right.
        My point was more that all of the available top six forwards out there have issues; they could all be busts. We have some guys with some upside who cost nothing and can get a look. More importantly, there are very few offensive guys out there who would fit in with the habs team first philosphy and not disrupt the fabric of the team. Part of that fabric is gone with Gionta and Gorges, but we still have a good group.

  51. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning everyone. A few leftovers still out there for the dumpster divers. Some interesting veteran names to be had.

    Martin Brodeur,
    Dany Heatley
    Mike Ribeiro
    David Legwand
    Ville Leino
    Steve Ott
    Saku Koivu whom I’m guessing will retire.

  52. Maritime Ronn says:

    It appears goon John Scott signed a 1 year/$700K with San Jose.

    Puck Daddy Greg Wyshynski had a great tweet about it.

    “John Scott signs with the San Jose Sharks, presumably to punch the other 17 skaters in the face if they blow another 3-0 lead.”

  53. habs001 says:

    Habs lost 39 goals from the forwards let go…so they have to make that up plus at least another 15-20 to move into top 12…May not be easy ..Hopefully the forwards will have way more support from the D than last year 5/5 and the PP be better..

    • Eller, Gallagher, and Galchenyuk with natural progression will make those goals up. Well at least we hope so. They should get more ice, and if they don’t the goals won’t come. PP time too. But hey Therrien knows this. :)

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    • Phil C says:

      PAP has to be good for at least 20 of those, 10 for Malhotra, Gilbert should score more than Gorges. The offense in general needs to improve for sure. Therrien didn’t get enough out of his talent last year.

    • kerrgte says:

      … this number of goals will be taken care of with the replacement(s) yet to come.

      There’S no reason not to have full confidence in MB and his ability to find solutions. We have to be patient for opportunities to come along.

      Maybe one of Andrighetto, Sekac Then, opportunities will present themselves as the days go along. For example, there chould be something interesting as Chicago addresses the Toews, Kane re-signing problems.

      At this stage the Mtl cap is getting more flexible in future years. to open up better options for 14-15 and future years. Smart cap management is the key to the team’s eventual success.

      There are no worries, the team’s future prospects are much brighter with these changes.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Overall, it is a wash. Parenteau replaces the offence from Gio, Malhotra should put up more points than White and at least as many as Briere. Gilbert will put up more than Gorges would have. Vanek is the only one who’s offence has not been replaced. He had 6 goals in 18 games with the Habs and 27 goals overall. His 68 points, if they had all come while with the Habs would need to be replaced and he probably would have put up somewhere around those numbers if he had stayed. Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Bourque should put up more points this season, especially with another defenceman, Gilbert, who can get the puck up better than Gorges could and he can put up points on his own. The PP should be better too. If Beaulieu sticks, that will also be another player who should make it easier for the forwards to score.

      The team is transitioning to one that can play that aggressive, fore checking, puck possession team we all like best! Bergevin and his group have done an admirable job, turning things around and adding the types of players that were missing.

      Camp should be interesting this year with Sherback, De La Rose and Sekac. I am sure a couple of others will push Bergevin to make some tough decisions.

      As Bergevin has said on more than one occasion, if a trade comes along that makes sense, he is open to make it!

      I am already looking forward to the start of next season!!


  54. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Mike Komasarek on Twitter: ‘Im not surprised Gorges opted out of signing with Leafs. Going from Habs to Leafs always creates undisired preasure. #Komisarek ‘

    REALLY ???

    Note Bene: the mis-spelling of ‘undisired preasure’ was Mike’s :)


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  55. PeterD says:

    God I can’t wait to see Vanek in a Wild jersey…makes me want to vomit every time a photo shows him in a Habs jersey…good riddance to him.

  56. AndyF says:

    I keep scanning the news, hoping to read that Moen is gone, but alas… :(

    • PeterD says:

      And Bourque…hasta la vista…

      I view Bourque’s playoff performance as an aborition ant not a new normal.
      Time to let him and Moen go and introduce new talent down the left side.

  57. Fake says:


    anyone care to average these heights out?

  58. Habilis says:

    We have entered “The Lull”. That time of year after the season, draft and free agency when next to nothing happens till camp except random trades and signings.

    It occurs to me that entering said lull, this is first time in a long time that I’m not hoping for a miracle with this team, some kind of blockbuster trade or a surprise career year from some underachiever next season. I’m just hoping for more of the same, from the ice to the press box. I mean, we’re actually a desired destination for free agents again! That’s so huge. The teams that win Cups generally don’t sign the big names on July 1, they get the high quality 2nd tier guys who are willing to take less for a shot at winning. Enter Gilbert, Malhotra and Sekac. In Sekac’s case it wasn’t about money either way because 14 other teams offered him the exact same deal. Even Weaver counts in my eyes. He played well in the playoffs. I’m sure he had other offers.

    Really excited about the direction of the team.

  59. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Sign SAKU! Sign SAKU! Sign SAKU! Sign SAKU!

    …ok it’s getting late I better go to bed

    Sign SAKU!

  60. Rad says:

    The time to feel sorry for Josh Gorges was over the weekend, when he felt like his heart had been ripped out. Now it’s Wednesday, and time to move on. Josh was a loyal foot soldier and a character guy who engineered a very nice little trade for himself to an up and coming Buffalo team. No need to spill any more tears for Josh, he and his family will do just fine in upstate New York.

  61. NightRyder says:

    Did Gorges not want to go to Toronto because he knew he’d be like -112 with their horrible team, and me-first guys like Kessel and Kadri would tell him to stuff his pom poms?
    In Buffalo, no pressure, can maintain his “hard-working team guy” status without Steve Simmons crawling up his backside after two bad games, and lots of young guys to live in his house.

    • PeterD says:

      I believe Gorges was actually repulsed by the thought of wearing the Leafs jersey…and what proud Hab wouldn’t be repulsed by that prospect?
      Gorges is and has always been an honorable player…I believe his motives now that he is moving
      on against his wishes.

    • The Jackal says:

      Buddy, you’re being a total douche about Gorges, going as far as to trash a HIO member like HiS.

      We get it, you didn’t like Gorges and are glad he is gone, but there is no need to throw the guy under the bus and disparage him and everything he did for the team. He gave it his all and he will be missed by all the players. It is unfortunate that he had to go but he brought a lot to the team and there is no need to take that away from the guy. He was proud to wear the CH and put his heart and soul into the team, which is why he declined the trade to the Leafs. Why even make a joke about bringing young players to his house? He taught Gally what it means to be a pro and I wouldn’t doubt his work ethic was contagious.

      It was time for a change in leadership and to clear cap space, but Gorges and Gionta were heart and soul guys and their contributes should not be diminished. If some fans are sad to see them go and express that, there is no need to ridicule them for that either.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • NightRyder says:

        Who made you the new Douche Patrol officer, Claude Giroux?
        I can’t poke a little good-natured fun at HIS? For the record, he had a sleepover last night.
        And isn’t it a little hypocritical that you indulge in name-calling after your own lecture on letting others express their opinion?
        Lighten up, Buttercup.

  62. UKRAINIANhab says:

    So happy Floater Vanek is gone.

    Good riddance.

    I don’t have to see that ugly black hat he wore in interviews. Should have worn a wild hat instead

    I will always respect Gionta and Gorges for giving it 100%. I will never ever thank Vanek for his 0% effort on the ice.

    Adios. Enjoy Minnesota.

    • NightRyder says:

      Twenty Thomas Vaneks would beat 20 Josh Gorges any day and every day.
      He was a definite help against the Bruins. Our coach’s God complex then kicked in and we lost him completely.
      You can’t win without elite skill and you can’t win without maximum effort guys. The key is to find the right mix. Maximum effort is a lot easier to find than elite skill. To me, the move to pick up Vanek was worth the shot.

  63. habs001 says:

    Best bet Habs will not add any major players before the season starts…If they are doing well during the first 40 games they will look to add a quality player near the 60 game mark…If they are struggling they may make an earlier trade…Bournival looks like a very solid energy guy that can be a solid checker…still very young but not sure he has an offensive upside beyond 15 goals a year…

  64. Timo says:

    RDS is talking about Subban for the captain… pourquoi pas?

    I’d love for it to happen just because Michael Therrien would absolutely love it.

    • NightRyder says:

      Give him an ‘A’ for now. With the ‘C’, his every word will be scrutinized, and you know reporters who had man-crushes on Gorges and Gionta will be looking for him to slip up and cause controversy.
      Give it to a non-controversial guy like Plekanec or Markov for the time being.

  65. Habitant in Surrey says:

    I thought My feelings/opinion for Josh Gorge’s was a scream in an empty forest.

    Now, I finally look to My right to see the question of the day; ‘Which player do you think the Canadiens will miss most next season ? Brian Gionta or Josh Gorges ?’

    …63 % think Josh Gorges will be most missed !


    Proving not all Habs’ Fans are nutz :)


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    • Timo says:

      I was going to say Francis Bouillon but they didn’t give me that option. Perhaps there is still hope that he will stay with the team.

    • NightRyder says:

      Isn’t that like asking which will you miss more, your hemorrhoids or your gonorrhea?
      Which will your team miss more, the tiny fourth-liner who scored one goal in 17 playoff games, or your seventh defenceman who blocks a lot of shots because he can’t get the puck out of his own zone?

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    So, Claude Giroux arrested at a club in Ottawa for grabbing an off-duty police officer’s bum.

    Should I leave My comment unwritten and un-posted ? :)


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  67. 24 Cups says:

    Now that Vrbata has signed (Vancouver) it’s pretty obvious to me that the Habs will move forward with one major hole in their line-up – a RW who can play top six minutes.

    According to Ben Kuzma, the other teams in the mix for Vrbata included the Boston Bruins, Montreal Canadiens, Arizona Coyotes and the New Jersey Devils.

    I guess the next best option for the Habs to fill the last roster spot up front will be a Band-Aid or one of the three kids. Regardless, it’s still a concern.

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    • JohnBellyful says:

      Interesting fact:
      The Czech player the Canadiens just signed, Sekac, his name spelled backwards is Cakes
      Vancouver’s Czech player, Vrbata, you spell his name backwards and you get … Atabrv.
      [Rats! I was hoping it’d come out Muffin]

    • Fake says:

      Gallagher and Parenteau are both 2nd-3rd line players (at the moment) with the potential to grab that 1st job. Parenteau wants to play with Desharnais, as seen in this video:

      He’ll be the guy, and he’ll do an admirable job. there are more worries than upgrading a 5’7″ (5’5.5″) Gionta or 5’9″ (5’8″) Briere into a 6’0″ (5’11”) Parenteau. who will play 2nd line LW? Which center of Galchenyuk, Eller Plekanec, Desharnais or Bournival will be moved? Will Tokarski be Price’s backup? Which prospect will surprise everyone at camp? These are questions and concerns.

  68. JohnBellyful says:

    Does The Code say anything about tag team toughiness? Like, one team’s enforcer is getting tuned pretty good so he reaches out to the other tough guy on the team, the tough guy who isn’t quite as tough but can score, and they switch positions, and the fight carries on.
    Of course, the other guy could do the same thing, too.
    So, it’s not like two guys ganging up on one — now THAT’S against the Code — and the fight carries on to the delight of all.
    And, yeah, the first two fighters could tag back in, once they’ve caught their breath.
    I could see this going on for 10 minutes.

  69. Phil C says:

    Another option is goons go on waivers all the time, especially when teams are scrambling to make the 23 man roster. That’s how Edmonton got Gadzic.

  70. fastfreddy says:

    Just a thought, could Tinnordi be our enforcer and play a reg. shift for next season? Prust takes the middle weights. The following season we bring up McCarron to help out Tinnordi and Prust?????????

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Chris says:

      McCarron will not be ready in two years, and having Tinordi serving as an enforcer next season would be a waste. He should be a far better and more valuable player than that, but he needs the ice time and role to continue his development, whether that is in the AHL or the NHL.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        A lot of players can fight and play. Having an enforcer is a waste. Tinordi can fight and still play regularly, it is not a choice that has to be made.

    • Timo says:

      Tiny has proven that he can go against some of the tougher guys so I am not worried about the enforcer part. I hope he stick for the whole season as a reliable #5-6 dman.

  71. Timo says:

    Habs need some muscle and aggression as part of top 2 lines. Goon is good but a guy like Lucic is better.

    • Chris says:

      Sure, but a guy like Lucic is rare, and nobody gives them up easily.

      The best you can hope for is to massively overpay for a 30+ power forward on the downside of his career. Of the limited options, not bothering is probably the safest choice.

    • jols says:

      Only guy I can think of that fits that mold is Chris Stewart. He is only 26 years old, can play the game and score some goals. Problem is he makes 4 million a year. Currently playing for the Sabres.

  72. jols says:

    Anthony Peluso – young, hungry and tough as nails. Not much of a hockey player but would fill a need.

    • piper says:

      Brett Gallant with the Islanders would be my pick. Should trade one of the small skilled players in the system to get him. We have a surplus of them.

  73. HabinBurlington says:

    So just to get this straight, now the enforcer the team gets has to make sure he never loses a fight? I understand we don’t want a guy on his very last legs, but does the wins vs. losses really matter all that much?

    I mean we are talking about Nuclear Weapons here, they got a guy, we gotta guy, they both go dance and game goes on. The way I see it, we want the guy to be a good guy who doesn’t disrupt the room and we want him to take the punches that we don’t want Prust or Moen taking.

    I mean Gadzic was like the toughest S.OB. in the league, Oilers still sucked, Trevor Gillies in New York was perhaps the toughest one year, they sucked hind tit as well.

    I get the need for an enforcer, but this whole machismo about him now having to have perfect technique seems a bit overboard to me.

    Parros if he doesnt’ get hurt , does the job for the Habs, and he was far from the best fighter in the league.

    • piper says:

      “we want the guy to be a good guy who doesn’t disrupt the room and we want him to take the punches that we don’t want Prust or Moen taking”
      dammit…..we just traded him to Buffalo.

    • eric says:

      I don’t think we need an enforcer per se. I think we need a tough winger that will score about 15 goals that will take care of guys like Lucic.Someone on our team has to straighten that guy out.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      I just want someone that Lucic won’t embarrass, doesn’t have to win every fight.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Burly. Did you know that our old friend Burkie signed Gillies for his Abbotsford farm team last year? So he now has McGratton,Westgarth, Gillies and Engelland! Is he planning for some crazy sh#t or is he having a mental breakdown?

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