Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin announced on Thursday morning that the club has called up defenceman Jarred Tinordi from the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs.
Tinordi, a 21-year-old who was selected by the Canadiens in the first round (22nd overall) at the 2010 NHL entry draft, played 55 games with the Bulldogs this season, posting 2-9-11 totals to go along with 51 penalty minutes. The 6-foot-6, 218-pounder will add size to the Canadiens’ blue line while wearing No. 42.
After beating the Ottawa Senators 4-3 in a shootout Wednesday night at the Bell Centre, the Canadiens announced that Greg Pateryn was being returned to the Bulldogs. Pateryn played three games with the Canadiens after being recalled from Hamilton on March 7.
The Canadiens were given the day off Thursday and will be back on the ice Friday at 11 a.m. in Brossard as they prepare to visit the New Jersey Devils Saturday night.
(Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)
Tinordi’s turn for blue-line audition, by Pat Hickey
Eller salvages shootout win over Senators, by Pat Hickey
Eller is bigger, stronger and faster this season, by Brenda Branswell
One of Eller’s best efforts as a Hab, by Dave Stubbs
In the Room: “Eller was phenomenal”, by Pat Hickey
Whirlwind two weeks has Ryder on fire, by The Canadian Press
Habs vs. Senators photo gallery
Habs odds of winning 25th Stanley Cup much improved, by Stu Cowan
Rookie Pateryn keeps things simple, by Pat Hickey
Canadiens prospect Bennett growing at University of Michigan, by Pat Hickey
New Bulldogs goalie Tokarski has winning history, by Kevin Mio
Geoffrion considering retirement after serious injury, by Brenda Branswell
The shootout move heard ’round the hockey world, by Stu Cowan
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Was Kaberle that bad?
Maybe MT doesn’t care for his play or they are going to pull a gomez and don’t want him hurt
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No injury=amnesty buyout.
MB has probably tried to move him, but no takers. TK is TKOd.
Kaberle is simply not the right fit on this team as long as Markov and Subban are healthy.
I doubt there was anyone here who disliked Veggie-King acquiring Kaberle more than I, but he has played well in my judgment — especially given his limited ice time this year. It is hard to believe he couldn’t help out another team now, but perhaps as the season progresses and teams encounter more injuries Kaberle’s stock will rise.
I remember a few GMs told Bruce Garrioch of Ottawa Sun that the Canes got a better deal because TK was useless and ineffective.
I think the kid Tinordi is going to be heavyweight that can play and he was called up to see if he is ready before the deadline before we give something up for Dougles Murray.
He needs to gain some pounds to be bigger and stronger. 210 pounds is too light for his 6’6″ body.
I noticed some people discussing Chara down below and how Ottawa chose Redden over Chara. I have posted this before, but that is not the case.
Ottawa had signed Hossa to a huge contract and then days later traded him to Atlanta for Dany Heatley. The trade came out of nowhere, Hossa loved playing in Ottawa and was extremely close on the team with Chara. Chara was livid with Ottawa mgmt and essentially told them where to go, how to get there and what to do upon arrival.
Ottawa then began spin doctoring the situation, so as to make it appear they could only afford one or the other. They had to do this to save face with the fans.
Man Ottawa shoulda just kept Hossa and Chara both very unfortunate loses. Chara was a huge impact on that team too bad it went a different way.
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Hossa might be my favorite NHL player not wearing a habs jersey.
Took the grandkid to McDonalds and saw this article about PK in the Ottawa Sun. Thought some might be interested.
Thanks, OBB. Good read.
I’ll make another case for Moen for Boyle
- Boyle is bigger, hits more, can be used on face-offs
- Boyle makes $1.7m, which is a lot for a 4th line player, but, Moen makes more and will for more years
- If we are looking for someone like Prust, Boyle was his frequent linemate and is his good buddy
- Moen has been largely invisible on the ice; it’s hard to do worse
You just made the Rangers’ case in not trading him for Moen.
That’s what I was thinking as I read that post. Scary!
OK, now do Armstrong for Crosby.
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LOL, oh i am laughing good.
WTF?! We do not want to make same mistake with Glen Sather again. Remember the Goner trade?
The Habs did score a couple of power play goals last night,but the PP is still pretty abysmal.
Over the course of a 48 game schedule,you might get away with this if the other parts of your game are firing on all cylinders(as we’re finding out this year) but eventually,special teams play is what will carry you a long way.
What coach is in charge of the PP unit, and what can be done to fix it?
Having said all that, it occurs to me that the Bruins won the Stanley Cup a couple of years ago despite their PP being absolutely pathetic. But they did get a Conn Smythe performance out of their goaltender that year.
“the PP is still pretty abysmal.”
Is it? We’re currently sitting 9th in PP%.
Room for improvement? Sure. But abysmal?
I concur with you, Jim. It is not what I consider abysmal. SMH
I can’t recall seeing a player get mugged the way David Desharnais consistently does, and the refs simply will not call penalties. What is up with that? He literally has players trying to rip off his head….
He drew one last night.
Maybe he’s too small for the referees to see.
lol
Unfortunately holding your stick at waist level while checking DD and hitting him in the head is not an infraction that will be called.
Talk about not getting any respect for being small…Wes Welker averages 100+ catches for six years and gets only 12 million over 2 years while a Pittsburgh reject gets 15 million a year.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Can’t feel bad when you say he ONLY gets 12 million over two years…
True…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
The Bills could have used Wes Welker.
Mind you, they could use anybody just about now.
Sigh.
The Pateryn and Tinordi call ups are great to see.
It’s a clear indication that Bergevin understands what the weaknesses on this team are.
Undisciplined play on the penalty kill and an inability to clear the front of the net.
It doesn’t much matter which way this season goes. Our current GM understands what the team needs(not that the previous two didn’t).
I’m happy that we don’t have to call up our prospects and play them all the time, like we did last year.
We can call them up and send them back down when we want for more development.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Haha kaberle keeps getting played ! I like it ! Good for tinordi he deserves a chance, he’ll be a Habs regular in no time for sure!
Does that mean Kaberle is getting “played” because he isn’t being played?
what part do you like? the guy’s been accepting MT’s decisions with class…not complaining, whining, etc. and stepping in when asked.
i’m not saying he should necessarily take someone’s spot. but i’m also not deriving pleasure from the guy’s less than ideal situation.
I dont think Lucic would even try Tinordi…Too much at stake potentially for Lucic. Tinordi’s old man could fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmXbbNHSPvY
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But Jarred is not Mark. Has never been thought of as a similar type player. His father could scrap. That’s what he did. Jarred isn’t a fighter. He is a player.
His old man could take a few punches too, not an easy guy to take down or KO…Some things are just in the genes. Just sayin, Lucic not going to risk getting shown up by a rookie from Montreal of all teams.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
I don’t think it is Lucic’s make up to be worried about rookies… or anyone. As much as people say he ducks folks. He doesn’t.
Lucic only fights those that are smaller. Usually, he crosschecks them from behind first. Luchicken is his nickname for good reason. DD has more to fear from him than Moen or Prust.
Except that’s not at all true…
The fact you insist on calling him Luchicken shows how far he has you psyched out. He’s Big, Strong, Tough, Nasty and good at hockey.
He fights all sorts…
From 2012: Gaustad, Carkner, Sestito, Kaleta, Prust, Komisarek
From 2011: Erskine, Thronhill, Prust, McCormick, Brewer, Harrison, Vandermeer.
Some of those are goons. Some are players. He fights bigger guys and smaller guys. OH and he scores 20+ goals a season.
But carry on.
Agreed. Mark is much bigger and tougher than Jarred.
I’ve got visions of Tinordi’s old man taking him out to the rink and smacking him around and teaching him to throw ‘em, like in Youngblood.
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Mark Tinordi was the poster boy for clutch & grab hockey – He was one of the best at it…..
Is this year justification for the Gainey and PG era?
Let’s be honest…not a lot has changed except for the addition of Prust, Bouillon, Armstrong and Galchenyuk…and yes the coaching staff (which has obviously had a big effect). For the most part though, the players remain the same…
Thoughts?
Edit: Galchenyuk should probably not be on my list, as he would also have been on this team this year had PG still been at the helm…as would Gallagher. Prust may not have been, but PG showed he was moving in that “grittier” direction last year when he traded Cammalleri for Bourque and brought in Staubitz at the deadline.
Why not speculate?
Some of pg’s moves were good. Maybe the majority were. Maybe it was the culture, the attitude surrounding the team that wa broken. Cammalleri alluded to it, anyway.
Cammalleri was part of that piss poor attitude.
He checked out when others didn’t.
I’ll continue to speculate: cammalleri might have been just as responsible for the atmosphere as Gauthier.
That’s just a rumour, he was always a winner and was just frustrated.
His cousin told me during a pick-up game that he gave up on Martin long before he was traded.
Not a friend of a friend of a friend. A guy he shared the family dinner table with.
Well if that’s true he probably wasn’t the only guy who gave up on Martin. Everyone was dejected last year, bad culture, low confidence. It was a mess. I’d still take Squid on the team under our new circumstances.
Bourque, Holland and a second round pick and you miss Cammalleri?
Worth noting that the only thing the team gave up for Cammalleri was cash too.
My thoughts exactly Loonie. There’s no doubt in my mind who won that trade.
He’s not doing too bad on the Flames 9/9 for 18 points in 22 games, and a soaring 54.5% on faceoffs.
It’s an indication that last year’s result were an oddity.
And that there was eom good move in the BG/PG era.
Mostly it’s a testament to Trevor Timmins.
Completely agree.
3/4 players have been very effective + Eller and other young guys are allowed to be on the ice this year.
Sorry 84, but I don’t agree.
This is a completely different team than last year, even if many of the players are the same.
The philosophy focus is at the opposite end of the spectrum.
MT pushes offense and team play. JM was all about defence. He didn’t inspire confidence. And I don’t think he truly believed in his players’ potential. One thing is certain, the goat certainly didn’t.
The rookies have brought a level of energy not seen in these woods in a long time. A healthy Markov, albeit slower than he used to be, is a major addition. He’s still one of the smartest D play-makes in the business. Example, in the 3rd last night, from his hash mark, he rifled a tape-to-tape pass to Pleks at the Sens blue line that nullified their attempts at a push into our zone.
MT is not the MT of old. Wiser, more reflective, but most importantly, coaching the kids.
Last night on L’Antichambre, Bergeron spoke of Torterella’s rant about having his best players not performing. You know which rant I’m referring to.
Anyhow, as he said, that’s the coach’s job to have them play the way they’re supposed to. And that’s exactly what MT is doing. He stays and high-fives every one of his players after a victory, with a big smile on his face. That has to enhance their self-confidence and pride.
PK is a Norris trophy rumour and Plexs has healthy line mates.
In bodies, the teams are comparable, but a as a team, they’re completely different.
No doubt there has been a culture change. Many of the players on this current team though were brought in or drafted under the BG/PG era and as a result should get some credit.
I don’t however, want to discount the culture change and the positive impact MT has had and do agree, as a TEAM they’re completely different, proof: the number of games we’ve come from behind to win (those games were certain losses last year).
I think you’re right.
Excellent post.
adding Gallagher is one of the best things this team has done this year for sure and he doesn’t appear on your list?
Because he was drafted under PG and BGs watch. He probably would have been on this team this year had they still been in charge.
No – BG/PG did a lousy job at managing personnel. There’s no point in acquiring talent only to drive them to under perform. Potential doesn’t win you games.
Mssrs. Gainey, Gauthier and Martin weren’t as bumblingly incompetent as Réjean Houle and Mario Tremblay, so not everything they touched turned to sludge. They made some good moves, overshadowed by some shocking gaffes. They didn’t leave a scorched earth legacy behind like we had in the late nineties.
I never like the Jacques Martin hire, didn’t want a defensive-minded coach like him at the helm. That’s the major change this year.
I shudder at the thought of those dark days in the late nineties.
Trade deadline day is getting closer.
There are some teams who are starting to feel somewhat desperate,in that,if they don’t do something soon,they will not make the playoffs.It is in that type of an atmosphere,where a GM is likely to make a mistake,in a bid to have his team qualify for the postseason,and possibly,save his job.I believe Steve Yzerman of the Lightning may fall in this category.After taking the Lightning to the 3rd round in 2011,Tampa Bay didn’t make the playoffs last year,and are in dire straits once again this season.
It is in this setting that I feel Yzerman is looking to “shake up” the culture in Tampa Bay,and might do something out of the ordinary. Like trade Steve Stamkos.
One of TB’s weaknesses is goaltending,a position that is a strength with Ottawa. If they trade one of their goalies to land Stamkos, the chances of the Senators making the playoffs will have improved dramatically,despite their plethora of injuries. Or what if one of the Habs’ main rivals makes a play for Stamkos,like Boston or Pittsburgh? Obviously,this would not enhance the Canadiens’ chances of advancing too far in the postseason.
It is with this scenario in mind that I believe MB should entertain the possibility of at least asking Yzerman about the availability of Stamkos. The “Price” would inevitably be high, but the thought of Stamkos playing together with Galchenyuk for years to come is too hard to resist. Of course,the question of who would replace our starting goaltender’s minutes might not be easy to solve,as I’m not sure if Budaj is up to the task.
I know we are having fun around here, but trade stamkos? Really?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
And they ARE starting to get desperate in Tampa Bay.
Given his talent, record of achievement thus far, his status in that city, that city’s need for a face… He’s probably least likely player to be traded in the league.
Although we can dream. Price for stamkos!
Didn’t they say essentially the same thing about Gretzky..just before he was traded to LA?
I love it. You’re working hard at this one. Different era, different circumstances. If the tb owner was broke (which he isn’t) and if a boatload of cash was coming back the other way (it can’t) then maybe. Just maybe.
Desperate doesn’t mean completely loony, habsfan0. Trade Stamkos? Bwahahahahahahahahahahah!
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That is an off season trade…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
St-Louis will be moved first.
Trade Stamkos and see what happens to the fan base,. The local media would rip the organization big time…Never happen.
Nice thought but zero chance. The new owner doesn’t have to sell his players to stay out of bankruptcy and Stamkos is the present, the future and the holy ghost of Tampa.
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
Tampa needs wins and fans, not goaltending. The team itself is weak beyond the promoted players. The fanbase comes for promoted players and they need to be on the ice. In Canada you could play Stamkos on the Leafs 18-20 minutes a game and fans would be happy. In TB Stamkos has to be on there every time there is an opportunity or fans are unhappy. They recognize the promotion not the value.
Since they are unlikely to get wins, unlikely to trade Stamkos, then the only option is to send them fans. Good luck.
Eager clears waivers
Habs place Nokia on waivers
Eager…3 concussions.
***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***
It’s been reported that Eager suffered a 4th concussion while clearing waivers.
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Because it happened so fast?
now he can’t be put on waivers for at least anouther week.
When he gets to 5 we sign him!
***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***
So not only did no other team claim him, but some HIO posters will still be suprised that the 1st place Habs didn’t …
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
Also very nice to see posts from uCE and Bripro
I saw your best wishes comment yesterday. Thanks for that. We certainly blog with a great bunch around here, don’t we?
Quality individuals. And timo.
(jokes, timo!)
Yeah, you’d better clarify that.
I don’t think Timo is much into sarcasm.
The worst thing that could happen for tinordi is for him to get into a fight. I surely hope that doesn’t happen. The best thing is for him to mix it up in the crease, get into some scrums, and skate away.
I like this call up. I think he’s ready for a crack. I also love the way mb and mt are handling it – as the team plays away from Montreal for a bit.
Pateryn was fine but certainly nothing special. I agree with the poster who said that he’s done enough to be considered a prospect going forward.
I also agree with a sizable chunk of people that if this team as a weakness right now that it’s on D. It appears that mb is on top of the situation, though, and this makes me happy!
Good times in habland right now.
Tinordi is not a baby…see the fight below against one of the toughest guys in the AHL. He is a hitter so there will be a time, like Emelin, where he will take a stand.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/113014
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I’ve seen him fight Randell who’s now in Boston’s farm system. Best live fight I’ve ever seen, both guys are very tough and didn’t stop throwing bombs.
Edit: Good watch too http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/98544
I saw Oleksiak fight some guy when he was in Niagara a few years back. One punch him square in the helmet and dropped the guy. It was shocking.
Not sure why you prompted that memory…
Oh, to have Oleksiak as well.
“Hey Dallas! Want Josh Gorges?”
We all remember worthy live fights haha.
Agreed, but I hope that time is not this season, and certainly not this call up.
I’m going to go for it and say Desharnais needs to be traded. He is a good player yes, effective with the puck for the most part, yes. Do I like him, yes. But do I think Gallaghers play is more effective, indeed I do. After watching the game last night it was clear Patches line had a hard time creating offense because of how physical the sens defense was. I think Pacioretty needs another big body on his line for him to be that much more effective. 4 guys on a team around 5’9 is ridiculous, and that’s coming from a guy who’s 5’8 and always admires small players.
Edit: Going forward Pleky will likely be moved to 3rd C slot as he ages. Chucky to 1st slot as he matures. Eller as a very good 2nd slot. Where does DD fit?
There is a reason why the Sens give up so few goals, and if Deharnais is too small to go up against them, why don’t the other bigger teams light them up?
Because it has nothing to go with DDs size, but everything to do with the Sens system.
I would argue that DD is actually MORE effective against the bigger defence because it is easier to spin in a tight spot with a strong lower body and short stick.
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
Nice to see Emelin lay the boomer on Gryba. Payback for trying to decapitate Gallagher arter the cross check penalty. This Kid really gets under people’s skin! Gonna be a lot of fun to watch in the playoffs.
That was desharnais not Gallagher.
Ok, what to hope for tonight? A Leaf win to keep the Pens from nipping at our heels, or a Pens win because, well, a Leaf loss is always awesome?
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Rather the Guins win it, Leafs are in our own division and besides they are the Leafs.
It’s almost Spring. Time for the leafs to fall.
Rather the Pens take it in reg… I’d love to see another epic Leaf collapse and see them miss the playoffs again… if they happen to make it then I have to put up with all the stupid leaf flags on cars around me *living in Southern Ontario
Easy call. Exciting Penguins team wins, Forces of Evil are vanquished.
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Bourque skating w/ #Habs strength coach, not w/ team yet; Diaz working out in gym.
It’s hard to believe this team is still missing a top 6 forward and top 4 D.
Hey DDO.. Are we talking football?
First Wes Welker deserted my Pats. How depressing was that? I’ll say one thing, the Broncos will be a lot stronger this year.
But then they picked up a younger, bigger version in Amendola.
It’ll be interesting to watch these two teams compete for the AFC at season’s end.
Danny Amendola should do very well with Tom Brady, he has a lot of the same skillset as Wes Welker. Another Charger we let get away….
Mr. Amendola doesn’t have a high Q-rating, but one claim to fame is that he played across from Michael Crabtree at Texas Tech, kind of like Wayne Chrebet to Keyshawn Johnson.
He’s been injured and saddled with bad offences at St-Louis, but he should explode with the Patriots.
I had a hunch that Mike Williams might be the big signee for Bill Belichick, to stretch out the field and allow the tight ends to work underneath, but they can probably find a lesser burner for a lot less. Heck, they could take Robert Meachem off the Chargers’ hands.
The Tampa Bay Lightning said Thursday that veteran forward Vincent Lecavalier will be out indefinitely with a lower-body injury.
It’s over for Tampa even before March Break comes to an end.
You think Boucher is gone in the off season?
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Don’t think the should do that.
They have crap D and crap goaltending – they should try to address that before firing a coach.
“crap D and crap goaltending”…that is Yzerman’s fault…don’t think he will fire himself…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Haha, I don’t think so either.
He should try making some moves to shore that up though.
Boucher is dead man walking me thinks.
He still looks like a Bond villain. Maybe the next film will be Puckdrop.
Can someone explain to me the daily spewed comment that Lucic´s fight with Komisarek transformed him into a fringe NHL player?
How is this even possible? Unless he maybe receives a major concussion which has longwithstanding consequences.
If someone loses a fight, it somehow affects the rest of their careers? I don´t know what happened to Komisarek, but isn´t the fact that his game dropped off around the time of that fight purely coincidental?
he separated his shoulder and it translated his play, he was never as physical again.
Komisarek actually hurt the shoulder in the fight and Lucic, the big coward, kept fighting when Komisarek could not. Lucic also jumped him from behind, the way he starts any fight he gets into. He likes to go after rookies, and small guys. I watched him sucker Victor hedman his rookie year when the Bruins were loosing and there was about 30 seconds left in the game. Of course he had his glove on!
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It’s actually more accurate to say that when a young player wins a fight it changes their career.
When that happens every tough guy in the league wants a piece of them and they have to change their game as a result.
Lucic broke Komisarek. Mentally, Physically and Spiritually.
He seperated his shoulder and from then on Komi kept trying to prove himself against Lucic in every meeting. I recall Komi doing some sort of flying tackle on Lucic… It got to be laughable. Komi would try and prove himself with fights or hits or rough play in scrums and Lucic just kept putting him down over and over… and then he just kind of faded away…
Yep. Killed his Mojo. He never got it back IMO.
As far as the comparisons between Zdeno Chara and Jarred Tinordi, again, folks, let’s take a deep breath, keep our expectations realistic.
Zdeno Chara is an absolute freak of nature, augmented with a lifetime of dedicated physical conditioning. He’s 6’9″, weighs around 255 lbs, and hoists serious iron in the gym. His father is a former Olympic caliber wrestler, and Zdeno has trained with him his whole life. Any of you who have ever wrestled know how tough and physically demanding that sport is.
I had the pleasure while at Vanier to wrestle against Victor Zilberman for a whole semester, and while I outweighed the old boy by about thirty pounds and was in peak condition (cough cough) as these were my competitive rugby years, he would toy with me for a minute to get me good and exhausted (for the cardio benefit, no doubt) and then wipe the mats with me. I shudder to think what it would be like to take on Zdeno Chara, with his size and strength advantage, and his technical skill. Sure he’s a grappler and not a chucker, but tell that to Bryan McCabe. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMWLFca67ng )
So again, we’re not saying that Jarred Tinordi isn’t strong or doesn’t train hard, but just because he’s very tall doesn’t make him the next Zdeno Chara. Jarred is Jarred. He’s a big strong kid with lots of potential who needs to work on his game and progress and mature.
To imagine he can take on Zdeno Chara is pure fantasy. And to push that idea is putting pressure on the kid and hyping things out of the realm of possibility.
Wrestlers are arguably the most fit athletes in sport…perfect combination of strength and endurance. I don’t foresee Chara jumping any more Habs after the last instance of stupidity BUT if he did to Jared…I think Jared can hang on like Emelin.
BTW Thank God the Chargers finally signed somebody decent…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Who? The tackle?
I need to check it out. Last year’s free agency left a bad taste. Meachem. Ugh. So I haven’t checked today.
Last night they signed a corner to replace Cason (good riddance). They were not going to get screwed like they did with the guy who was supposed to visit but signed in AZ instead. Hopefully they can get the tackle from the Bills. Personally, would love the Ravens safety Pollard…a real hitter.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I’m having a tough time with all the changes. The team will be unrecognizable. Phillips is gone, Vasquez. The only Chargers left are Rivers and Gates and Malcom.
At least Norv and A.J. are gone, only four years too late.
I’m just glad Spanos lost whatever money he thought he was saving by not firing Norv five times over in lost ticket revenues.
Rivers and Gates and Malcom…and Weddle.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Interesting side note – on the Pens-Bruins NBC game, Engblom showed a clip of Chara in the hallway, demonstrating how he has to play lower against Crosby or he would flip right over.
it shows the how size can be mitigated if not properly uses – will look to see how Tinordi adjusts accordingly.
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
I know. People rag on David Desharnais saying he’s too small to win puck battles, but I wonder what game they’re watching. He wins more than his share, not through strength and size, but rather with a low centre of gravity, quickness, and skill with his stick.
Being big isn’t always a benefit. How many times do we see Canadiens skating circles around Chara and making him look ungainly and slow?
Exactly – some people focus on the occaisional time DD gets filled in, but mostly he is Naslund like, using the strong lower body to get past the player behind the net.
Eller on the other hand, has to work against his own size and stick to acheive the same result.
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
Remember when Ottawa had to choose between signing Chara or Redden and they chose Redden. lol. Guess who was in the GM office at that time. If you guessed the “The Ghost” you would be absolutely correct. How is that man still employed in this league. Maybe I should apply for a GM position.
Et Le But
And Chiarelli…
I do wonder if ZC had already made up his mind.
Yeah your right, Chiarelli was there as well. How come he turned into such a good GM and the Ghost is such a Douche Bag.
Et Le But
He unlearned from the worst I suppose.
I think there is a lot of revisionist thinking going on that the Sens chose Redden over Chara – my recollection was that Chara had decided to move and wasn’t going to re-sign
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
Chara is a conditionning and health freak, add to that his giant stature and you get a physical monster.
I read a piece on his training and health regimen, the guy must put every other player to shame in his workout.
Except for Chris Chelios.
I recall watching a TSN thing with GSP wrestling with Laraque and was amazed at how easily GSP would throw around the much heavier (65lbs+) GL. But the thing that was most impressive was how quickly BGL became drenched in sweat and out of breath while GSP looked fresh as a daisy.
And this was while BGL was still playing hockey, or right around the end of it… so not in brutal shape yet.
I saw that one too. Coach Zilberman used to wrestle with a big lineman we had, Greg Pompeo, he’d save that bout for the end of class, after he’d destroyed a few of us. Greg was 6’2″ and weighed 235 lbs, all of it muscle, he had about 6 inches and 60 lbs on Coach. Anyway, it should have been a mismatch, except Coach would just grab Greg’s hands and wrists and never let him grab on. After a minute or so, Greg was panting and struggling, while Coach just kept pushing and pulling and not letting him do anything, all business, not flustered at all by the He-Man he was matched up against. After class he’d be awed, and somewhat frustrated by how impossible it was to beat the much smaller man. We’d tell him he had to win the next bout, but he never came close, all year.
People who try to make that comparison probably haven’t seen Tinordi play. He’s a tough enough guy – but his real skill lies in his ability to move the puck efficiently, use his stick effectively, and to clear the zone. Yes he’s a big body and can play a very physical game, but he’s still very raw offensively (Chara was too at that age).
I agree. I typically want to die after about 2 minutes of wrestling.
Amazing how when you’re going all out, you kind of get tired quickly…
My instructor always puts emphasis on preserving energy and NOT going all out when not need be. Even then, I still want to die after 2 minutes of being rug-dolled by some bigger/more skilled guys.
Yeah, the old ‘conserve your energy’ ploy while some guy is trying to destroy you, that always worked.
I wonder how many of those who scorn some players for not fighting have actually ever been in a fight themselves, on the ice or off. If not, they’d quickly see it’s a little scary, and a lot tiring.
I can’t believe that Getzlaf got over $8M and they are saying Perry could get over $9M. This is ridiculous. No one in this league should make over the $8.7M that Crosby makes. Apparently the cap is going to stay around this $64.3 mark for a few years after this year. So how can a team pay over $9M for one guy. That is almost 15% of the cap for Perry. I’m afraid that whoever these clowns are that paying these guys this kind of money is going to be horrible for us when trying to sign our talent. The way P.K is playing, how much is he going to want in 2 years? Lets say he is a Norris nominee for the next 2 years, is he going to get over $7M? $8M?
Et Le But
The Leafs would have given him more…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Reducing of the contract length to a max of 8 years will affect the dollar value per year. I don’t think it’s fair to compare new contracts to old contracts that are for more than 8 years.
As for Subban, I really, really hope they sign him to a contract extension this summer and not wait until after next season.
Crosby only signed his contract in June. I would hardly call that an “old contract.” Plus, at the time they thought the cap was going to be higher when Crosby signed. So the fact that the cap is even less now only proves my point that much more. I don’t understand these GM’s. Driving up the market value for these guys through the roof. I hope Bergevin doesn’t go near Perry in July.
Et Le But
No way Gorges gets traded. Amazing leader, best shot blocker in the league. Would be nuts to trade him because he’s “too small”. If that’s a concern, you get other dmen around him. You don’t trade a guy like that
where did you get this?
I would trade Gorges in a package to get a top 2 d-man to play with PK 25 min/game. However, I don’t ever see the Habs doing that.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
The best shot blocker in the league can’t be traded?
I’d call Dan Girardi the best shot blocker in the league but that point is irrelevant because if you decide to not trade a shot blocker because he’s a shot blocker you aren’t doing that good of a job.
Shot blockers are replaceable contrary to the beliefs of Canada’s most renowned false prophet.
I think if this team can upgrade on Gorges or find somebody who can bump him to the third pairing it would be a lot better off.
But even with that said it’s unfair to disregard the other things Gorges brings to the team.
+1
TSN is reporting that Chris Stewart’s name is in trade talks. It appears St. Louis wants a defenceman. If they would take Gorges and Weber, I would do it. The Habs have depth at Centre and Defence and players like Stwerat are not available often and he fills a bigger need for the Habs.
Habfan17
Gorges and Weber for a thirty goal scorer?
Yes, with all the value that Gorges brings!
Habfan17
Your ideas are very creative. But you should definitely look at the trades that have been made since the lockout for a better idea of what’s realistic and what isn’t.
I do look at the trades and some are fair, some are outrages. St Louis needs a steady leader, not an offensive defenceman. In Gorges they get that and he is young enough, In Weber, they get a kid who has power play potential, has a great shot and has not been given the opportunity to develop in Montreal.
Habfan17
A shot blocker and a one trick pony defenseman aren’t going to get you a first round selection who also happens to be a thirty goal scorer that brings the physical element teams covet.
Not even close.
If it makes you feel better, throw in DD and St Louis can add a 2nd round pick.
Habfan17
Of course Gorges could get traded. You trade him for someone that improves your team.
We all fall in love with our own players… we over value them… but I’d include Gorges in a package that gets Sutter out of Pittsburgh in a second. Or Shattenkirk out of St. Louis. (amongst others).
Gorges is fine. he’s a nice player… but he the defensive version of Colby Armstrong.
(ducks for cover)
Why Sutter? We’re kinda set at the centre position.
I don’t like our mix at centre, personally. I agree we have good ones… but… maybe they are too similar. (I’m envisioning Galch at centre)
Eller
Galch
Plek
DD
White
Dumont/Nok
I just would prefer a Sutter or a Dubinsky type in one of those slots.
Article above reminded me — think in upcoming years, the Tokarski trade is going to look brilliant
It was looking pretty good on the day it was made.
With Price at the helm, you have to wonder if this kid will really ever get his chance.
It’s more than likely Tokarski will be Price’s backup next season.
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we can showcase him as a backup, show him off in the playoffs a little, and get another eller.
Are you sure you want to be showing a junior goalie in the playoffs?
He would have to play part of the end-of-season.
That’s not going to happen.
We’re a long way from the Dryden years.
According to TSN St Louis winger Chris Stewart has come up in trade speculation. St Louis wants defence. I wonder if they would take Gorges and Weber for Stewart? The Habs could throw in LeBlanc and have St, Louis add a 2nd round pick this season
Habfan17
Can’t trade Gorges without getting a d-man back. This type of trade takes place in the off season because Stewart is RFA and who knows what he is asking for in his next contract.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Eller thriving in his natural position, Center. sure he could do a decent job on the wing, he has the skillset for it, but his game has always been to anchor a line and play all over the ice.
The comparisons to Plekanec are well warranted, but the 2 players differ, Eller is more physical and maybe slightly less gifted in the offensive zone.
Weird about Nokelainen, I mean I get that the Habs have the pieces to make him expandable, but he was not even given the chance to prove his worth this season.
Maybe he needs AHL conditionning?
What’s truly weird is that he was offered a contract in the off season.
It’s about the conditioning stint. he hasn’t played in a looooooooong time.
Agreed. Renaud Lavoie couches it in terms that he’s now ready to play, and they have to go through this ‘formality’.
Nok was injured to start the season. I think the waivers may be due to that.
Btw, did anyone else love Emelin’s hit on Gryba last night?
No. Well, not me, anyway, considering that it resulted in a powerplay and a goal.
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I did, clean too, nothing like admiring your pass a bit too much.
Except for drawing a penalty which put the Sens back in the game…it was devastating. Knocked the air right out of him.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
It was a thing of beauty.
Payback for what Gryba did to DD.
It showed great team spirit. It is nice that the players are looking out for each other more this season.
Habfan17
I find it funny how ‘finishing’ your check along the boards, 2 seconds after a pass is good, but in open ice, it is a penalty.
G
I love that when he hits you, it hurts. He hits clean (although a little late this time) and hard. You can’t tell me that guys don’t pay attention when he’s on the ice.
Nice-ish, although too late, and I’m not a fan of late hits.
Half a second earlier would’ve been delightful.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
I love Emelin,
The roughest, toughest ombre to ever cross the Rio Grandé!
I loved it!!! Especially after Gryba tried to take DD’s head off with his stick the shift before. What goes around, comes around.
Et Le But
What came aroound unfortunately was a pp at the end of the period and they got scored on. The hit on DD was already “avenged” …
Emelin was just a bit too amped up
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
You are right. However, this is how the Habs got to send a message to the league. If you put a stick around one of our guys neck, we will DESTROY YOU!!!!. lol
Et Le But
With all this award talk, let’s give credit to the guy who deserves it the most…Trevor Timmins. He is, by far, the MVP of the organization. Drafted Price, PK, Max, Emelin, Chucky, Gally, Dumont, White, Weber, Halak, Tinordi and etc. Without him, the Habs are nowhere today.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
He’s really kept the team’s pick pool a float all these years losing he would be awful for the organization, glad we kept him
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Did you forget he drafted big time busts like AK46, SK74, Komosarik, Lablanc.
I’m not sure those were true busts. Andrei Kostitsyn I suppose was, but the talent was undeniably there, and still is no doubt. It’s between the ears with him. Leblanc we can wait and see, he might still have a meaningful NHL career. Pretty sure Sergei K was a late pick, and Komosarik was a legit top two until a certain Bruin scarred him forever.
I’m sure you’ve never made any mistakes in your work. BTW SK74 was drafted in the SEVENTH round and is an NHLer today. That is a bust? Give me a break…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Trevor Timmons is alright but if he is as good as you guys think he is then why have in the past 5-10 years we have not been a cup contender till now.
cause timmins is in charge of drafting assets,not managing them.
Because it takes years for draft picks to develop.
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…sigh.
That’s because the GM manages the assets… Timmins has made very good picks.
Komisarek, while overpaid is still an NHL caliber defenseman.
SK74 and Leblanc also busts? That is very much up for debate, but not really considering SK74 is a regular NHLer.
Nevertheless, Timmons has a great drafting record and the Habs are very fortunate to have him.
I’d say that in the cases of those players, a big part of their lack of success had to do with how they were coached. It’s not like Timmins picked a bunch of guys that didn’t have the tools to play.
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David Fischer anyone?
“There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
- Jerry Maguire
Nobody’s perfect.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Most of the pre-draft rankings i had read had him rated low in the first round. I was hoping for chris stewart that year.
That Cluade Giroux kid would have been nice too…
“There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
- Jerry Maguire
In the rankings i saw giroux was ranked mid 2nd to early 3rd round. IMHO timmins was banking on him being available in round 2. Philly went off the board when he was picked in the first round.
Word. I remember drooling over the Sens draft picks in the 1990s, early 2000s when he was there. The guy just knows talent.
Grabovski and McDonagh, too, no?
Don’t say the “M” word on this site…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Don’t forget about McDonagh. Future Norris trophy winner.
Et Le But
magnus nygren wins borge salming trophy as best defenceman in swedish elite league
Always good to see our prospects showing that they are the best in other leagues
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He is signed on for one more season in the Swedish Elite League, but I am hearing there may be a push to get him to N.A. Next year
Does he go UFA this year is the Habs don’t sign him?
Et Le But
@mattyleg — Tinordi can scrap when need be, but doubt he will on this call up. Not how he’s going to make his mark in the game. Envision a much more physical Hal Gill — that’s what we’re getting here. I’m stoked!
Personally I am not expecting him to fight much, but to be a big presence on our team
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I’m totally down with that, Ghostie.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Habs pk 18th in the league but there seems to be no concern about this…yet i believe if the pk does not improve it will be a major problem in the playoffs…
I think this is related to the questions about the size of our defense. Hal Gill was the MVP of our kill when he was here.
Our Defence is too soft. Don’t get me wrong, I love our team, however, we are way to soft. Need that one big mean shutdown defenceman.
Et Le But
My guess is this means Diaz might be getting close. They had a look at Pateryn, now they’ll give Tinordi a chance to taste the show before bringing Diaz back in.
Just a guess, but imagine that’s what it is. Neither guy is NHL ready, but this will help with their development for sure.
nokelainen put on waivers
Took long enough….
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Gotta assume that means dumont is sticking when bourque comes back. Or he’s being sent down for a conditioning stint.
As long as there is no roster spot wasted on him with the big club I couldn’t care less where he ends up.
I can’t wait until Tinordi comes up and fights with all the biggest players on all the opposing teams and makes them feel bad for beating us, or beating us up, or out-checking us!!! Man, they’ll wish they’d never messed with us.
Then they’ll learn…
Then they’ll learn.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Grow up please!
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“On peut play cette game tres simplement”
“Le game est tous de hard work”
” I have a pet peeve”
A lot of folks don’t get Matty’s humour.
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Stop ducking. It’s all flying over your head.
No, YOU grow up!
(picks up his Jared Tinordi action figure and makes it beat up his shootdapuck action figure)
—Hope Springs Eternal—
There’s a shootdapuck action figure?
Must be a huge seller.
Come to think of it, are there any non-virtual action figures anymore?
Yep, that’s exactly what will happen.
I know, right?
Then when we look back, we’ll actually have won all those games we lost!
Like in Rambo, when Col. Trautman tells Rambo that they’re going back to Vietnam, and Rambo says “do we get to win this time?” And then Rambo goes back and re-wins the Vietnam War!
It’s going to be great.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Rambo?
That’s it Matty.
Pull out the credible personalities.
I’m with you Matty. And I hope that, like Michel ‘Justice’ Dubois, he sneaks in a mysterious, unseen object in his socks, that he pulls out and uses against his opponents during tilts, when the refs are distracted and not paying attention. Which shouldn’t be too hard, NHL refs have the same intellect and observational skills and integrity as wrestling referees.
HAHA! YES!!!
We’ll see ‘Steamer’ putting folding chairs behind the bench and in the penalty box for Tinordi to use when the refs’ attention is focused on on-ice scrums!
This is going to be the best ever…
—Hope Springs Eternal—
He should do the Michel ‘Justice’ Dubois move, where he’d be raking his opponent in the eyes or choking him or some other illegal move, and the ref would ineffectually try to get him to stop. He’d let go for a second, throw his hands in the air and yell “JUSTICE!”, and then immediately resume choking or blinding his opponent. I was a six year old or so back then, and I’d lose my marbles, that the ref was letting him get away with it, while my father would shout “Justice!” right along with him, and try to convince me that it was all strategy and shrewd wrestling.
I can see Jarred choking out Chris Neil or Milan Lucic or Jack Edwards or Don Cherry or Tie Domi, throw his arms in the air and cry “Justice!” and go back to wreaking havoc. He would be God.
HAHAHA!!
That may be the greatest single hockey image of all time.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Cool it’ll be very interesting to see Tinordi play! Were they not happy with Pateryn or were they showing him off
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@Commandant
Agreed Ben on your award selections, except for maybe three.
MVP I think goes to Patrick Kane. He’s at +9, but more importantly, in similarity scores, he’s ahead of players like Denis Savard, his teammate Toews and Ryan Getzlaf. After an “off” year of only 66 points, he’s over a point/game, and a key reason for the Hawks’ success.
Chicago’s Joel Quenneville would get my vote for Jack Adams, unless the Hawks collapse. I realize he really hasn’t had to coach his way out of adversity from a prolonged losing streak, but the team’s success puts him ahead of MT and Paul MaClean.
And I would give the Vezina to Craig Anderson, because the league has shied away from giving it to a dual (Corey Crawford, Ray Emery).
And with Karlson out of the mix, I have to agree with your selection for the Norris. I really think Subban is earning it in droves.
Tinoridi doesnt really need to fight guys like lucic and chara but to stand up to them and lay them out with a big hit like I saw in the highlight video of him. He reminds me of Chara. Big, can flatten a guy out with a huge hit but if you piss him off he’ll beat you up with his fists. Remeber when Subban played only 2 regular season games then played the entire postseason due to an injury. I could see the exact same thing with Tinoridi.
I always liked Lars Eller and until this year felt he wasn’t given a fair chance to prove himself. He must have been frustrated like Plekanec surely was with the awful coaching the last…how many years?…
As much as I am impressed with Eller I am equally dismayed by Moen. And what is there to say about Armstrong? perhaps not bad on penalty kill.
All said and done, we are in a place no one but the fool hearty would have predicted. Go Habs!
I think what was frustrating too was the injury he had a couple of years back which prevented him from getting bigger in the off season. Look how PK keeps getting bigger every year.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
It will be very interesting to see how Tinordi fares in his first NHL action. Clearly, hopes are high for the kid. I notice lots of trade speculation though. Our current top six, when healthy, is very good:
Markov-Emelin
Subban-Gorges
Diaz-Bouillon
If Tinordi plays well, with Kaberle here, we’ll have depth as well. I do think one big, skilled defenceman would put this group over the top into the elite level. But it is very difficult to say who we might move. We get great value in Emelin and Diaz and they’re both young and part of the identity of this group. Markov, Subban and Gorges are part of this team’s core. That leaves Bouillon, but does anyone really have a complaint with his play? I suspect I’m too conservative, but I have a very difficult time identifying any players to trade. Kaberle is an obvious choice, but he isn’t getting us a top-six in return, so that means a bigger deal. I’m stumped!
I’m torn between patience–with Tinordi and Beaulieu on the way, what’s the rush to add to a strong defensive unit?–and the urgency of seizing the moment as this great season makes a 25th Cup tantalizingly close.
If Jarred Tinordi develops as projected and in a year or two becomes the steady-eddy defenceman with size and strength who takes care of business in his own end, he makes Josh Gorges expendable.
I think you’re right. Much as I love Gorges, I think our top four is weakest in his lack of size. Subban is clearly our best defenceman and should be playing with an elite bruiser on the top pairing. Could Tinordi get there during this particular window? I’m picturing a Habs team in 2 or 3 years with Eller and Galchenyuk, and an aging Plekenec on the third line, making up one of the best group of centres in the league. If Tinordi is ready for top-four action in that time frame, Gorges can move on, or slide to the bottom pair.
Normand,
You’re back!
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The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:
“On peut play cette game tres simplement”
“Le game est tous de hard work”
” I have a pet peeve”
Having a lazy day at the computer. It’s raining to the top of the mountain here in Whistler. I try to keep up, and read the posts, but it’s impossible, there’s too much. I figure I’ll just hang out at About Last Night from now on, and if I post something that someone’s already discussed in a previous thread, tough noogies.
Tinordi is not ready to fight the likes of lucic
And we care because….?
To beat him no but probably can hang in there like Prust did.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Komasariked would be a bad thing.
Not ready at all. When Tinordi is 23 or 24 years old, has trained as an NHLer and put on another 20lbs, then he’ll be ready for stuff like that.
In saying that though, Montreal is going to have to be careful because the Bruins aren’t stupid, they know the Habs see Tinordi as their future sheriff and will be looking to knock him off his game and try and ruin his confidence the 1st chance they get.
He’s going to have Lucic and Thornton in his grill and I can just see Chara skating in from the blue line and going after him if Tinordi roughs someone up for jabbing at Price.
Who needs to fight Lucic? A knee or a a blade to the back of the leg will more than do.
Which is easily accomplished as Luchicken never does anything from the front.
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The cranial flatulence of PJ Stock:
“On peut play cette game tres simplement”
“Le game est tous de hard work”
” I have a pet peeve”
Short term, probably just a look see for him to get a taste of the pro game and speed? Beaulieu next?
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
Tinordi will be paired with Gorges no? Like Gorges-Gill v. 2.0…can’t see Boullion moving to the right side again…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Probably paired with Boullion. 3rd pairing. No pressure.
Could there be a trade coming. Tinordi has been called up…teams are looking at the D hopefully Kaberle, maybe with another player.
It\\\’s all about the CH
O’Byrne.
I’d be up to giving the big lug another chance with CH.
Timo, what about MAB?
Well, that would be everyone’s ideal scenario but you’d have to have management that knows what the F they’re doing and clearly it;s not the case with Habs
While I wouldn’t be surprised if Kaberle was traded, I think tinordi being called up is simply to give him an opportunity to get his toes wet. I don’t think he’ll stay up long, as he probably needs more seasoning in the minors. Maybe next year he can fight for a spot
I was kind of thinking of that too. If there were trades coming though it would have happened when they called Pateryn.
I think we have to keep Kaberle around just in case Diaz’s concussion is long term.
Gorges and Bouillon on the PP is a joke.
I know people won’t like this, but I won’t be convinced that Therrien is a changed man until I see how he reacts to a losing streak. To be honest, I think he’s still edgy after losses, so I’ll have to see him after a few in a row.
That’s not to say anything about the job he’s doing. Deservedly a part of the Jack Adams talk. I’m just not convinced his success is due to a change of personality. That’s nice fodder for the media but I don’t think Therrien’s even had the chance to show it.
Every coach is edgy and tasty after losses but I agree with you if and when the Habs go onto a losing streak, his reaction and composure level will be interesting. Hitchcock in St Louis and Coughlin of the NFL Giants have changed over the years, maybe MT has too. We shall see.
Really? You haven’t seen the change of personality yourself?…his demeanor behind the bench is completely different. Naturally, almost any coach is going to be “edgy” after a loss.
I don’t just mean edgy, I mean there’s been a few occasions where he was obviously biting his tongue, mostly earlier in the season. General success has tempered his reaction after recent losses.
As for his personality behind the bench of a team he’s coached to wins on almost every night….. that’s my point: not the most reliable indicator.
Just saying I haven’t seen enough yet, not that he’s not indeed a changed man. It could also be that he’s just a better coach now and winning more, so there are less occasions to be angry. Or he could be a changed man (too). No need to get all riled up
Not riled up my friend.
To me he has changed. As you mention there’s been times where he’s fought biting his tongue, previously I’m not so sure he would have.
With regards to his demeanor behind the bench it’s been him keeping his composure after questionable calls….or after watching the opposition claw their back into a game like last night where he’s kept his cool. Again, in his previous stint I’m not sure he would have.
Cheers,
Tinordi = Ludwig?
“In God we Prust!”
Not a bad thing if he turns into another Ludwig.
How about…wait for it…Tinordi = Tinordi?
If he’s the second coming of either Craig Ludwig or Mark Tinordi, I’m ecstatic. But I’m holding out for Rod Langway.
Already people are slavering over Jarred Tinordi beating up on other players. As if he can single-handedly rectify all the wrongs visited on the Canadiens these last many years by Zdeno Chara, Milan Lucic, Kyle McLaren, Dale Hunter… Preferably in one fell swoop.
The kid’s 20 years old. Let’s give him a couple games, heck a full season why don’t we, before we expect him to be the second coming of Gilles Lupien.
Here’s something I posted on here on June 11 of last year.
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I hear too many fans wax enthusiastically about Jared Tinordi and how he’ll beat up anyone and everyone when he makes the Grand Club. I think it’s selling him short and setting him up for failure. We didn’t pick him in the first round to goon up the league.
Mr. Tinordi will bring a physical presence to the team, and will drop the gloves when necessary as he showed in his OHL career. While he didn’t dominate in all his fights, he still has lots of maturing to do. He’s still quite a young man, he’s going to fill out even more, he has the frame for it. He’s got the nastiness and the will. Now what we have to do is hope that he won’t be typecast as Godzilla, just here to wreak havoc on other cities.
Way back when, we had a young defenceman from the States join the Canadiens at training camp by the name of Kent Carlson. He was a U.S. College player, we’d never heard of him, and he showed up and seemed to have great size, but also good talent. He had a couple of fights with established NHL tough guys during exhibitions and he won them handily, the call-in shows were buzzing about him, how he was a kid who’d never fought in organized hockey who was taking on all comers.
Unfortunately he developed that reputation, and had to fight against other goons constantly, he was always challenged, and he had to respond, despite the fact we had other tough guys on the roster, like Chris Nilan and Mike McPhee and even Normand Baron. Kent was constantly injured, lost some development time and got pigeonholed as an enforcer instead of a physical defenceman.
http://www.prohockeyfights.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=170&sid=08b7a6c202248bad4f189865dba6331b
What I don’t want to hear or see happen is for Montréal fans to expect Jared Tinordi to charge after Milan Lucic and Zdeno Chara the minute he hits the NHL. It’s too much pressure to put on a young kid to attack grown men to avenge past wrongs, it’s not his fault Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell don’t do their jobs.
So let’s appreciate Jared for what he can become, a tough stay-at-home defenceman who moves well and who will inspire confidence in his teammates, respect in the opposition, and can adjust an opponent’s attitude whenever the refs forget where they put their whistles.
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I agree completely! I want to see how he can play defense!
Don’t think anyone is telling Jared to go after guys. It is just how he plays. Jared immediately jumped anyone who took liberties with his teammates in the Hamilton games I watched. At the first game at the Bell Centre this year, he fought one of the toughest guys in the AHL. It is just who he is.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
Oh you’re terribly mistaken.
People have been salivating at the thought of Tinordi fighting Chara and Lucic.
They should be careful what they wish for.
Chara doesn’t fight big guys he chickens out by wrestling them to the ice.
Ask Ivanans if Chara ducks the big guys.
If Ivanans doesn’t answer if could be because his face is still being reconstructed.
Chara looked pretty horrific in the Pitts game…he has always prided himself on his fitness but he looked really slow and un Chara like against PItts the other night. I am wondering if this schedule is giving him a bit of trouble…he is 36 years old and a body that big requires a lot of energy to move around. Might only be another year or two of him being so dominant which would instantly take the BRuins out of “elite” status and bring them into the just really good team world….sucks they got Hamilton developing but he isn’t Chara…Chara and Pronger are two of the most influential dmen not named Lidstrom in the game over the last 20 years. Having either instantly meant you were a contender..they are that good
Pronger’s injury devastated the Flyers…not the same team.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
It is a coincidence he is recalled after Ottawa game. But at the same time I agree hoping he shouldn’t challenge anyone and everyone. I hope someone will tell him not to challenge Lucic or Chara right at the bat.
However he does have 51 minutes of penalty in 55 games. He has a long reach. I don’t think Chara is that strong to begin with, just tall and heavy with a long reach and he is hard to bring down. Not saying Tinordi should challenge him, only comparing his size. 6’6″ at 218 pounds is nice to have especially if he can occasionally defend for his players against nasty players that need reminders they should not take liberty against Canadiens talented players.
Edit: Wow, I used “players” so often I wanted to mention it again.
Re: I don’t think Chara is that strong to begin with, just tall and heavy…
Chara is considered to be amongst the strongest players in the NHL. He is actually thought to also be amongst the fittest… there are stories about his cycling that are actually ridiculous.
I think many people on this site need to get over their ‘Chara’ issues Looking to belittle everything about him, never giving credit.
They say he won’t fight big players. But he does.
They say he’s a goon, but he isn’t.
You say he isn’t that strong, but he is.
Look, the reality is this: Chara is a friggin’ beast. He won the genetic lottery. He is a monster of a defenseman with very good offensive skills. He is mean and nasty and everybody’s ideal player. No one would hesitate to add Chara to their roster.
Chara is so deep in the kitchen of some members here it’s comical. It’s like they’ve been immasculated by him and now have to deny him any shred of credit due just to prove that he didn’t immaculate them. It’s the laughable extreme.
Now everyone say with me:
Chara is a good hockey player. I would love to have him on my team.
Well said!
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
UCE, I think you are gravely mistaken. I have it on the highest authority that Tinordi is 10 feet tall, fought along side William Wallace, bested John L. Sullivan with one hand tied behind his back and has a tatto on his chest that says ” I spend all dreaming about beating up other hockey players, particulary Boston Bruins because it makes me feel better about myself”
Note that only his 84 inch chest is big enough to post such a manly statement.
“Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”
As long as Tinordi does not accidentally step on the captain, he will be fine…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
The luxury the Canadiens have is they have 6 dmen who can handle 20 minutes….working a guy in spreading those minutes around is easy…especially when your forwards are as defesnively sound as Montreals.
The backpressure and responsible play of the teams forwards has made the transition game something beautiful….the forwards all helping and then the skill level of the d…and enough skilled forwards to tranistion quickly on 3 lines…a dangerously great mixing of skills right now…great to see!!
Any chance TInordi’s call up is a response to seeing Ottawa get super physical last night in the 2nd period which helped gain them some momentum.?
A factor for sure…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I would suspect that the Habs realize a need for a physical shut down defenceman if they want to make a run in the playoffs, and want to get a look at Tinordi to see if he’s ready to fill that role so they can decide if they need to trade fill it before the deadline. The Habs are doing great with the defence that they have, but may have more trouble in a long playoff series with a physical team.
Robidas?
None. See respose to Toronto and Boston who are more physical.
You don’t let other teams make your roster decisions for you.
I saw Jarred play earlier in the year at the mini summit. Huge dude. .I hope he gets the same liberal exemption for stick length as Chara has gotten. His reach will be Gill like plus he can skate.
I really like how we are able to call up some promising young D and have a look at them while the team is winning. IT goes to show you the confidence surrounding the team right now.
What is the deal with Kaberle? Is he nursing a small injury? Is he being kept off the ice in case a trade partner arises? I have no problem with him in the sky box but playing Pateryn ahead of him seemed a little odd.
Now, who is the blondie following Lars around? The two of them would have the whitest kids in the world.
Our friend Timo always points out the most important things. Thar’s why despite him being a pessimist at times, he’s still one of my favorites. CHeers.
[Tips his imaginary hat]
They are Procol Harum fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA
Probably his wife, and they already have a kid.
In 16 games since the Toronto game….the Habs have points in all but the Isles game…
I’m still upset with that game.
That picture of Tinordi coming out from the Blue Curtains reminds me of somebody I saw make a grand entrance yesterday, just can’t put my finger on it yet who it was.
Got it. Mitch Porowski, Carleton Ravens.
Jimmy Fallon?
I was thinking the Pope, Tinordi will be our saviour won’t he? The ultimate Big Guy we have all been waiting for.
I have a bad feeling about the GSP fight …. hope he does his thing but for some reason every time I see anything about it I for some reason don’t think of it like I nbormally do…this may be the time he gets caught. Hope not…can’t tell if it is the sports gut or the spicy rice I just ate telling me that.
Diaz is talented but has nothing upstairs. As long as Georges does not get into a slugfest (never does) and is careful on the ground, he should win a decision. Just like the Henderson-Diaz fight a couple of months ago..
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I know that is how it should go…just get an uneasy feeling…not something I ever have with GSP fights
I know what you mean…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I accidentally read your post before Krob’s, and thought you were talking about (Josh) Gorges vs (Raphael) Diaz. Time for another cup of coffee
gsp is too afraid to get hit and that’s why he wins fights, he’ll score points for 5 rounds.
This is great. I can’t wait to see how Tinordi does! I wonder who will sit? If he does well, what will happen when Diaz returns? I wonder if there is a trade in the winds?
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Steve K – read your post in the previous thread. Thank you, kindly, Sir!
Lars Eller and PK Subban were phenomenal last night. Eller has been getting harder on the puck and battling every night and looks completely different from the start of the season. Michel Therrien and the coaching staff have done a fantastic job with the kid. Same goes for Subban.
Driving home yesterday I heard an analyst compare Therrien to Ken Hitchcock. Mainly because both of them went behind closed doors after being fired, looked in the mirror, and made some changes on how they conduct themselves.
I was one of the ones happy about his hiring, or at least not bothered, but never envisioned this. I though he’d come in, rattle a few cages and toughen us up a bit and have us fighting for a playoff birth.
And speaking of toughness, I’ve been one of many clamoring for Montreal to beef up before the playoffs and add some toughness. After last night’s game, I’m not so sure we need it anymore. If all NHL games were played like last night’s, not many are, you’d have a lot of fans very exited. That was the most entertaining game I’ve seen this year with the talent of a few players like Subban, Eller and even Alfredson on display.
Now that the Canadiens are flying high, you just know teams like Boston and Toronto are going to conclude that they’ve failed in trying to stay out of the box and skate with us in their last couple of meetings and they’ll try to rough us up again. Someone will stick a knee out on Eller or Subban and the fun will begin.
Will it change the course of history if we acquire Ryan Clowe and he beats the crap out of Nathan Horton after he cheap shots one of our guys, who knows? I think it helps the overall confidence of the team as do all the other GMs in our division apparently.
In saying that though, I’m totally fine with standing pat and rolling the dice with what we’ve got. I think Subban and Eller and reaching another level now and our team is looking like it’s stacked! Best team I’ve seen in 2 decades.
I’m very excited that Tinordi has been called up. He’ll eventually be that big body in front of Price and give us a beast that can play and won’t take crap from anybody. He’ll have that giant wing span like our old buddy Hal Gill but be much meaner and nastier. I watched him during the lockout and he struggled the first month but then started angling guys off when they came across the blue line, throwing open ice hits and he stopped letting guys walk out of the corner and fire shots.
We’re in fr a fun ride the next few months and it’s nice to be walking tall as a Habs fan once again. I hope I don’t jinx anything but I’ve already sent out invitations for the 1st weekend of May for people to come to our new place and watch the Canadiens in playoff action on the Saturday night!
I didn’t see anything special in Pateryn… Wasn’t expecting him to set a world on fire, but was hoping he’d be a bit more physical. He got a big Meh from me. Needs more work.
Next.
Oh snap, a “Meh” from Timo, with a capital M!
It could have been bigger. You’ll note the lower case E & H. So while a “Meh”, Timo has definietly left room for more mediocrity.
agreed. every dman needs to bring something. he was unnoticeable – which is good for a stay at home – but when youre trying to make an impression you kind of want to get noticed.
Therrien is working him in slowly as he did Gallagher and Galchenyuk. I think he has shown he doesn’t panick, makes a good first pass and can work up from there. It looks more like they want Boullion to mentor him and get him ready for more responsibility.
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Hm, I wonder, considering who Therrien is and how he coaches this team, is he the kind of guy who brings up young guns to get them to impress, like many coaches would, or does he instead test them to see how well and how quickly they play with a full “team first” mentality like the rest of the guys?
I’m no expert, but I would think that it would be a bit harder to break into a team if it were the latter instead of the former.
Man, do we have a strong division this year or what (aside from Buffalo, of course)?
Our division has a grand total of 163 points, 6 points more than the closest division, Central, and that’s ONLY because of the Chicago Cyborgs.
One thing for sure…Tinordi would have dropped the gloves against Neil last night…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I think Bouillon, Moen and even Dumont all appeared williing to go Neil last night. Winning the fight doesn’t matter…the fact all three were willing with Prust out says a lot about the team first mentality of this club.
Not sure on Moen…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I think Moen is hurt. He is not himself at all.
He hasn’t been “himself” for the last 2 years. I think that’s just a new Moen. Kind of like Laraque, only a carnivore.
I think the only thing that Moen hurt is his pride. He went from some power play time and sometimes moving onto the line with Plecs last year to 4th line duties this year. What I can’t understand is our new coach is “easy” to play for, give him effort and he rewards you with time on the ice, yet Moen is showing no motivation to prove his “demotion” is unjust. So he sits more than he plays and is listless when he is on the ice.
Wasn’t it Moen who took a few jabs at Neil’s face in the scrum and tried to get at him?
It’s easy to throw shots in a scrum with the refs already breaking stuff up. Boullion and Dumont stood face to face with Neil with no-one around.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I really hope not, I dont want him getting hurt, Neil is one of the best !!!
I’d prefer if we stay from fighting Neil as much as possible.
The boys will take a swing at his face, only to have it slip through the gap in his teeth.
Unfair advantage, if you ask me.
As well as this season as gone…MB has to look at the longer term..as well as the short term. Noone expected this much from the team and now MB still has to evaluate his young guys but at this point it needs to be an evaluation that considers the “now”. HE is seeing if he has any physical stay at home dmen for this playoff run. If he can develop and fill a need from within he just needs an 8th or 9th dman policy…if he cannot find someone within then he needs to acquire someone capable of playing the 5 or 6 minute rol ine case someone goes down.
He is evaluating which is the correct thing to do….as great of a prospect Tinordu he is he may not be ready…maybe not even next year..so MB may have a dman out there availalbe who has a year left on his contract…and some with expiring contracts..he is a very proactive GM and is looking at how everything works short term with next year in mind as well.
I love the fact the team is doing what he said and ALWAYS looking to be better
Agree he need to put more weight on is frame ,Neil would just destroy him and dare to think what Boston would do, time for MT to let White get in some fight
Not even concerned about him fighting ..more concrned about him being able to play a regular shift, move the puck and hit without sacrificing his positioning and making correct reads. His AHL fights are a pretty strong indicator he will be able to hang in there with most players but he is more than a tough guy…he needs to be a great dman and tough if need be..I am not expecting him to be Chara though.
you’re not concerned about him fighting, think Dave Dziurzynski, he came up thinking this is what he had to do. I would hate to see Tinordi com e here thinking the same way !!
Maybe I didn;t communicate that very well…I was saying the fighting is not what I am looking forward to in Tinordi…more interested to see if he has learned enoguh and grown into his body enough to take a regular shift . I also don;t want him up there as a supposed heavyweight…I want him playing d using his reach and take away space and when getting the opportunity playing physical and if need be standing up for his teamamtes.
@Bleedhabs81.Gary Busey? His analysis of Hobbits has helped me overcome some of the problems I had with Smurfs and Midgets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhLvwIUuLWg
Tinordi
Beaulieu
Ellis
Pateryn
Dietz
Thrower
If none stick those are your top six defensemen in Hamilton next year. That’s strong.
These guys will need an experienced role model so I see Thrower staying in junior for another year.
Possible. But I wouldn’t discount the possibility of a trade Steve. If Bennett leaves school and they want to sign him somebody’s going to have to move.
And while it’s nice to have a cupboard so full in one area, it sometimes can be a problem too. Lefebvre has to balance getting these guys valuable experience and keep focusing on winning games. Tricky juggling act.
It’s certainly a position of strength for Bergevin to work from. I just hope the Beaulieu speculation stops.
He’s got better tools than Subban.
Thrower will definitely return to jr. Blades may trade him though
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We also sent our MMA Radio hosts to Montreal for UFC 158. They ran into Georges Laraque and Denis Gauthier doing some MMA training and interviewed them on Hockey and MMA.
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GSP wrestled Laraque once. He dropped Big Georges like a sack of potatoes…unbelievable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJQkxuvJVhQ
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I agree if any hab wins, it will be PK. That being said, if two habs win, I expect Bergevin or Therrien to be in the mix.
Therrien’s been phenomenal, but there are so many candidates. I had him fourth.
What MacLean is doing with that roster is unreal.
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Good move. I knew we would see Tinordi at some point this season. I don’t think he will still with the club long term this season but giving him some games in the NHL will help him put his game together. Good luck to him!
Who does he pair with? Cube?
Really looking forward to seeing Tinordi on Saturday!
Can`t wait to see him. He is still a kid though and far from being a savior…this year. I think he will get a few games and be sent back down to Hamilton as he should. And then maybe we will get to see Beaulieu who knows ?
I like the fact that we have the luxury to give some trials to the kids from Hamilton instead of having to bring them to replace an injured pro. D-men need lots of time to mature and to make the huge step between junior and pro.
Agreed. Calling up a Hamilton kid to replace an injured pro puts a lot of pressure on him. The team is doing well enough right now that we can give the kids a tryout in a situation where the pressure is less. Pateryn looked nervous and timid, but he did not cost us any goals or games. I’m sure it was good for him to get a taste of the NHL and see where his game is at. It will probably help him both back in Hamilton and in the future, and I imagine the same will apply to Tinordi.
Therrien never seemed to feel comfortable with Pateryn, he played less than 7 minutes last night, while PK played 31. Maybe he’ll feel better about giving Tinordi responsibility, or else its back to Kaberle until Diaz is healthy.
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Pateryn made that decision easy for Therrien Ben.
Thats true as well, he looked nervous all the time out there.
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Can’t fault him for that. Good learning experience. If you’re gonna stick with the big club you have to make it impossible for them to send you down.
Something Gabriel Dumont’s doing right now.
Dumont is impressing me….playing very big for a little guy…reminds me oif a forward version of Bouillon
Sometimes some regular d-men look nervous too…
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
I like Pateryn. He was a little nervous, but overall I thought he did well enough to be considered an NHL prospect going forward.
Did you attend practices?
defence is tough to play when you are called up for the 1st time.
it’s very cerebral and your mind is racing with nervous energy.
given the circumstances, I liked what I saw, overall.
I’m stumped Ed. The kid was a pylon out there. He may well turn into an excellent NHL player and I don’t fault him for not playing well but he didn’t show anything other than an ability to stand around and watch nine other skaters play hockey.
I’m inclined to agree with Ed. He’s definitely not ready and he fumbled with the puck a lot out of what appeared to be nervousness. But I can’t think of too many instances, if any, where he exposed the team to any glorious scoring chances. He played smart, but awkward. With time and experience, he could prove very NHL-worthy.
Fair enough!
Hopefully Tinordi can help on the PK…like Hall Gill did.
“You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin
MB is a good Manager as well as been a good man. He’s calling these young guys up to show them he not playing favoritism to any of the Bull Dog players. A smart move by a good Manager.
I’m looking forward to seeing tinordi play and I’m quite confident he’ll prove he’s part of our future ….
Welcome to NHL, Jared! I cannot wait to see opponents being jarred by his devastating bodycheck!
Interesting move.
I’ll be intrigued to see what this kid can do, presuming he plays Saturday night.
I agree with twi. Bourque is a better all around player. Cammalleri is 1-dimensional. Don’t get me wrong, I liked him, but Bourque can score close to as many goals and provide grit and hits to boot.
And of course Bourque is injured more. He actually goes into traffic as opposed to avoiding it like the plague.
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You think Bourque is soft?
Have you ever watched him play hockey? I mean ever.
He’s been inconsistent at times throughout his career, like Cammalleri.
But funny that Bourque scores at the same pace, brings a physical style of play and get this, BACKCHECKS.
Funny I’ve never heard of Bourque being a problem in a dressing room either. Heard that about Cammalleri in both Los Angeles and Montreal.
Oh, and we got a high second round pick and a prospect who had 208 points in 202 games.
We get Bourque at nearly two million cheaper on a longer term deal.
That’s a landslide victory of a trade for the Habs.
Iggy
-GK-
Nothing to do with colour. He just does not seem to possess the qualities of a Captain at the momment, but then I’m not in the dressing room.
I’d love to see it if he’s the right guy for the job in the future.
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4th in a row, but yes they still suck lol
+1
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If Calgary was smart, they would trade Iginla, but he wouldn’t come cheap. MTL is in an awkward position as they are both contenders and in a rebuild situation. I don’t see us making any big splashes at the deadline (unless we are confident we can re-sign the player). Otherwise, I think what the fans can expect is a couple smaller deals. A depth forward, a depth defenseman, and at most a third line grinder that can pitch in offensively, just in case.