No changes expected to Habs lineup against Leafs

The Canadiens are expected to use the same lineup that beat the Pittsburgh Penguins 6-5 in a shootout Thursday when the Toronto Maple Leafs visit the Bell Centre Saturday night (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

Carey Price, who is still recovering from a lower-body injury suffered at the Sochi Olympics, won’t dress, with Peter Budaj making his third straight start. Dustin Tokarski, called up from the Hamilton Bulldogs to replace Price, will fill the backup role again.

Price, who is listed as day-to-day, will travel with the team on next week’s West Coast road trip.

“He’s doing well right now. He’s doing better, so that’s a good sign,” coach Michel Therrien told reporters about Price after Friday’s practice in Brossard.

Michael Bournival, recovering from a concussion, took part in Saturday’s morning skate wearing a no-contact jersey and isn’t ready for game action. Ryan White, who is battling the flu, also skated but isn’t expected to play tonight. George Parros would take White’s spot. Brandon Prust is also out with an upper-body injury.

Therrien is looking forward to the Hockey Night in Canada showdown against Toronto.

“Teams understand, especially at this time of the year, that two points are crucial,” the coach said Friday. “So I’m expecting an intense game like we always have when they’re playing us. It’s always a special time when you play the Leafs, especially on a Saturday night. They’re fun games to be part of, but both teams understand that this is a race to make it to the playoffs.”

After facing the Leafs, the Canadiens will head out on a four-game West Coast trip next week with stops in Los Angeles on Monday, Anaheim on Wednesday, Phoenix on Thursday and San Jose on Saturday.

On Friday night, the St. Louis Blues acquired goaltender Ryan Miller and forward Steve Ott from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for former Habs goalie Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015 and a third-round pick in 2016.

Here’s the projected Habs lineup to face the Leafs:


 (Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Budaj gets third straight start against Leafs, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

Habs vs. Leafs preview,

Game Day Report,

Road ahead looks like a minefield for Canadiens, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Gallagher is a Giant in Vancouver, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

NHL teams paying a price for Sochi, by Pat Hickey

Subban talks to Nilan about relationship with Therrien, Stu on Sports blog

Bournival taking things one step at a time,

Leafs, Bernier shake off Long Island letdown, Toronto Star

Plenty of sublots brewing for Habs-Leafs, Toronto Sun

Blues acquire Miller, Ott from Buffalo,

The story behind Canada’s most famous Olympic hockey fan and his beer fridge, by The Gazette’s Stu Cowan

Young Habs fan gets special birthday memory, Letters to the Sports Editor

Habs prospect Fucale puts world junior disappointment behind him,


  1. CJ says:

    The Devils and Capitals are both turning a corner, playing better hockey of late and leading in their respective games today.

    Why does this matter? There are fewer clearly identified sellers this season than years past. As such, the sellers will drive up the price as demand exceeds supply. Both conferences are both tight through the top 12. Looking at both the Capitals and Devils, they have major interest in making a playoff run. McPhee has to have burned eight of his nine lives. Missing the playoffs could result in termination. Nothing more motivating then the thought of being fired. In New Jersey, they certainly don’t want to land themselves in the draft lottery, as they are required to forfeit their first overall pick. Both Lou and George have tremendous egos. I guess I’m saying both could be prime trading partners for two of our UFA’s.

    I’m increasingly firm in my belief that we shake it up and leverage this opportunity by at least exploring options with our UFA’s. I’m not prepared to give anyone away, but is it not a major disservice if the possibility is not at least explored?

    My opinion is not any better then anyone else’s and truth is I don’t see Bergevin making any drastic moves, despite my suggestion that it could be in the franchise’s best interest. I just think the stars are aligning….

    Hoping we have lots to discuss in the coming days. Cheers, CJ

  2. GL says:

    Habs won’t do anything like they do every year and in the off season they’ll pick up some more deadwood enough to make the playoffs again. You guy’s must be able to see this by now. Every year is the same they keep the fans happy by making the playoffs we’re gone in the 1st round and all pissed till the next season starts and everyone will be on the Band Wagon again only to complain when we’re gone again in the 1st round. It’s been that way for 21years now … Not complaining just telling it the way I have seen it.

  3. slim wallet says:

    I think what bothers me the most this season is what Therrien has done to Lars Eller. He broke up Eller’s line early so he could get DD going. But he has never made an effort to restore Eller’s confidence or game. Galchenyuk comes back so Therrien puts him with Pleks and Gionta. I think you have to give him at least one of the talents up front whether its Gally or Chucky because you are going to need three lines come playoffs with a chance of putting the puck in the net.

    • habs_54321 says:

      he put eller with plex and gionta and he did less than nothing. Eller needs to get himself going

      • showey47 says:

        When eller was given DD’s wingers in max pac and Gallagher, the line scored at a rate of 5.8 goals per 60 mins of even strength. Which is better then any other line combo therrien has come up with all year. As a comparison with DD on with maxpac and Gallagher the line only scores 2.8 goals per 60 mins of even strength.

    • GL says:

      Slim – Have to agree with you. I don’t mind the DD thing so much though. He seems to do pretty good with Pleks and Gallagher but Galchenyuk should be with Pleks and Gionta They would make a pretty good scoring line. Now myself I would put Eller on left wing with Briere and Bourque. Eller hasn’t shown much at center. I think Briere would do a much better job. When Healthy MT’s 4th line could be
      Prust, White, Weise

      Moen, Parros.

    • rhino514 says:

      It is bothersome. Now it looks like MT is trying to get Pleks and Gio going at Eller´s expense….not that Chucky, Pleks, and Gio is a bad line.
      I was pleasantly surpised,however, that he gave Eller some PP time last game. He didn´t get a point, but he was instrumental on the goal.
      I do recognize that Eller has to get himself going, but I also think MT should put him in situations to succeed. When a player has shown he can play, you have to help him. If he hadn´t had a good season last year, then i understand throwing him with the leftovers on the third line. That´s not the case with Eller, he was the team´s best centre at the end of last season.

    • showey47 says:

      The sad part is when briere was playing wing with pleky and gionta, the line was scoring at a rate of 4.7 goals per 60 mins at even strength. That’s the 2nd best of any line combo (behind maxpac with Gallagher and ELLER). Yet for some reason MT puts briere at 4th line center instead of 2nd line winger where he (and the line) was having more success.

  4. Fransaskois says:

    Crossing my fingers for Tokarski to get some playing time. Nice guy and a great goalie hailing from my own neck-o’-the-woods.

    It was -50C today with the wind so I’ve got absolutely no reason to leave the house…. guess I’ll spend it with my beer (it’s actually Diet Pepsi), my Habs, and my buddies at HIO.

    CHeers, all!

    • Phil C says:

      Hopefully he’ll get one of the road games. Less pressure when its a road game with most of the East coast in bed.

      • Fransaskois says:

        I’d agree, this group of Habs always seems to play a little more comfortably away from home. Three games in four nights is a lot for a goalie generally accustomed to playing very little through the year.

  5. crane says:

    Trade dead line can’t come soon enough,nothings happening.We are one of the richest teams,good fan base and get squat.We can’t hire good coaches because of French issues,sign so many under sized players always past their prime.It can’t be to hard to sign a team of 20 -30 year olds with size,star talent,don’t need to be super star talent.

  6. BriPro says:

    If any typical hockey fan is looking for a ping to pull at your heart strings, and you haven’t seen it yet, I would suggest you take a look at this
    Molson Fridge Youtube video.

    You’ve surely seen the commercial. This is the full extended version. It’s one of the best mini-stories Molson has ever been a part of, and it’s pretty special.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I actually had some beers and played pool with this guy a few weeks ago, he was in Whistler visiting friends. Needless to say, he volunteered that he was the guy from the commercials. Not a bad guy, quite the drinker. The hardest thing to do was to get him to play pool without there having to be a wager on the game, every time we racked up he’d try to conjure up some bet, usually involving shots.

  7. Aerobiz says:

    Okay, so I don’t comment very often, but I wanted to throw my hat in the ring here with trade deadline day coming up.

    Taking into account realistic opportunities here’s is what I would do.

    Patches and Deharnais to Van for Kesler and a pick or prospect.

    We get a hard nosed leader who scores goals, but has a history of injuries.

    They get a younger streaky pure goal scorer, with a history of injuries.

    They get Patches right hand guy who is also capable of putting pucks in the net.

    We get $4m in cap space and a possible prospect.

    Now that we have some room on the cap…

    Eller + Leblanc to Buffalo for Moulson.

    We get a goal scorer with speed whose contract demands we will be able to reach next season with Gionta off the books + the $4m that we just got back from moving Davy.

    They get a young roster player with skill and size along with “needs a change of scenery” prospect who should be able to make the league. This satisfies their rebuilding process, for which they are currently stockpiling draft picks.

    How do you like Galchenyuk centering Moulson and Kesler?

    No one’s going to want Bourque or Briere so there isn’t much use trying to pawn them off for anything other than a late round pick, if you can get that.


    “The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.”- Randy Pausch

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      I wouldn’t make those trades, too early to give up on Eller and Pacioretty has a great contract, will probably score 30-35 every year and is the kind of player we need more of.

      • Aerobiz says:

        I was at the game on Wednesday. I don;t think Eller has fully recovered from the Gryba hit.

        I was a huge Eller fan until I saw him on the ice in that game. He looked completely lost.

        If I could get Moulson for Eller I wouldn’t miss him.

        • HabFan in Edmonton says:

          Eller looked great at the beginning of the year, he has definitely lost confidence between then and now, not sure why, is it the hit or Therrien shuffling him all over. He is a great skater, big and strong, could turn out to be a trade that comes back and haunts you. I would definitely want more than a UFA for him.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Max Pacioretty would be right up their alley, but the Canucks wouldn’t be interested in David Desharnais. Like every team in the NHL, they’re trying to get bigger.

      Also, Max is a leftie who plays left wing. Ryan Kesler is a centreman.

      Generally, the Canucks would want a young roster centre back for Ryan Kesler.

      If we trade Lars Eller, the return has to be a big young winger who can make our roster right away. That unclogs our rotation at centre, and prepares the way for Alex to move there. Matt Moulson, as a UFA, isn’t enough compensation back for a big young centre like Lars.

      • Aerobiz says:

        The Sabers know that everyone is going to be going after Moulson, so the price will be high.

        If we can resign him (and I think we could), Eller would be an acceptable loss.

        As for Davy. I think he’s under-rated. Over payed, but under-rated.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m pro-David, so in the minority here on HIO, but I’m also realistic. His value stems from him being productive on offence. He will never have trade value unless he becomes a point-a-game player, with the NHL’s fixation on size. And he’ll never be a point-a-game player since he doesn’t have much of a shot, or any trust in it.

  8. Sportfan says:

    Two for fun imaginary scenarios regarding Halak

    1: Prices’ injury is so bad that he’s out for the season and the Habs get Halak for the rest of the season. (It would make the Habs universe implode)

    2: Minny ends up with halak, and then they upset stl in the playoffs.

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  9. Sportfan says:

    Do you think the habs make any deal at the deadline? With Diaz gone and pretty much the only one that would fetch anything, do the habs make any sort of deal big, or small?’

    I personally don’t think they will.

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    • Alex_425 says:

      I think the Habs will be sellers, not buyers. And minor sellers, to boot.

      But I’m no expert….

    • JUST ME says:

      I am kind of pessimistic cause it looks and feels like every previous seasons. No big deal and no big deal !

      I tend to think that if nothing has been done by now or let`s say in the next 48 hours the best ones will be gone and what is left on the market we already have plenty of in the roster…

    • habs_54321 says:

      ideally they will clear the logjam at center briere should not be playing with parros on the 4th line.

      either trade eller or trade briere

    • Phil C says:

      Seems like another stand pat type of year. They don’t have a surplus of assets to be major buyers, and they are too high in the standings to be major sellers. Barring a 5 game losing streak and some key injuries, I don’t expect much. They have a few extra third and fourth liners, so there might be a minor deal to be had if Bournival looks like he can be healthy. I’ll be shocked if Markov is not signed this week.

  10. Alex_425 says:

    WAY late to the party, but is St. Louis insane?! I feel like Buffalo’s management staff must be strutting around the office like a bunch of badasses right now.

    But I’m no expert….

    • Sportfan says:

      I think its a good deal they want to win they get a solid goalie who wants to win and now has better D in front of him and I like the addition of Ott. A lot of people feel as though Stewart and Halak will be flipped again to another team for more picks etc.

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  11. Commandant says:

    An Interview with 2014 Draft Prospect Michael Dal Colle. The best interview I’ve done yet. Good kid.

    Go Habs Go!

  12. ffenliv says:

    So Subban hits a rough stretch of games, and there are people who seriously want him dealt? This is why crazy markets are crazy: not enough serious things to discuss, so it gets nuts.

  13. crane says:

    I’m going to be so pissed off if Ottawa ends up with Stewart and Moulson,we get nothing.The same old speech,prices too high,have faith in these guys,not our time yet,all crap.

    • CJ says:

      If Ottawa ends up with both, they will have paid dearly. Tim Murray knows the Sen’s organization inside and out. I’d love to see Ottawa overpay for a rental, only to have the rental bail and sign elsewhere as a UFA.

      A distant consolation prize would be ottawa giving up future assets for a rental, only to miss the playoffs.

      • JUST ME says:

        I have to agree with Crane on this one CJ.
        Every team overpays, not only the Sens but everyone. The ones that choose not to end up with nothing at all. Even though i do not believe that the Habs are on line for a Cup it would be more than usefull to have a Stewert or a Moulson in the roster for a chunk of seasons instead of having end of carreer veterans. We need changes and we must not be afraid to pay the price .

        • HabFan in Edmonton says:

          Realistically the Habs are not cup winners for the next couple years, I would hate to see them overpay for someone who will only make them only slightly better in the short term. I don’t agree with Crane on this one.

        • CJ says:

          Good points. I agree about having to pay. If we are going to be buyers, why not push more chips on the table and go after that legit top 2 defencemen to offset the loss of Markov, who I would also move.

          Also, if we want to make a splash, let’s go after a legit first line winger. People here are convinced that Stewart is exceptional, and I hate to say it, but I think it has a lot to do with a fixation on size. I too like Stewart, but keep a couple of things in mind. Firstly, this will be his fourth organization. With a cap friendly hit and great size, you really wonder why he continues to be flipped. Maybe this is unfair, but we have a guy who scored more goals at the exact same age, who also was a big physical guy, who jumped from team to team. Rene Bourque is his name. I just can’t help but wonder what’s up and why Stewart is dealt around.

          Secondly, keep in mind that St. Louis is the second highest scoring team in the league with 196 goals. Why then, despite being healthy this season and not missing a game does Stewart only have 26 points on 15 goals? Those are Briere numbers.

          Those, IMO are major strikes against a player and should be weighed before we draw a conclusion on a potential trade. If the Sens give up picks and their top prospects for a rental (Moulson) and Stewart, this might not be such a bad thing as a divisional opponent.

          Just my two cents. I enjoy the debate. Cheers, CJ

  14. Mavid is a Canadian and Golden Price is OUR MAN says:

    Someone just sent me a message saying Markov may be going to the Kings..anyone else hear this or is this just another pissed Sens fan..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

    • CJ says:

      It’s been floated as a rumour for at least a few weeks. Montreal had two scouts at their game on Thursday night. It might not mean anything, but has fuelled the rumour.

    • Alex_425 says:

      I’m sure there are convincing reasons as to why the Habs SHOULD deal Markov, but I have a feeling they won’t.

      Is anyone even knocking on the door for Markov, anyways, or is all the Markov trade talks coming from Habs fans who want him shipped out?

      But I’m no expert….

  15. habstrinifan says:

    P.K is playing to be traded! It’s as noticeable as a bilingual sign in Hull/Gatineau.

    MB would too but he has to work up the courage. My bet is it WILL happen.

    Edit: I wanted to post immediately after the Olympics the following question. ‘How long before Therrien ‘channels’ Babcock and benches Subban. I was to chicken to do it… but…”.

    • Paz says:

      Likewise Eller I believe. Sorry to say. Eller wants out.

      • Phil C says:

        Why do you think Eller wants out? Has there been any reports? He gets a regular shift at ES and plays on the PK so he gets lots of minutes, so it’s not like he isn’t getting icetime. Given his age and skill set and place on the team, it seems like good use of his skills.

        • Paz says:

          I agree. He plays his fair share. Just watch him out there, he’s playing terrible!! No control of the puck. Blind passes to no one.

          He’s playing so bad it’s like he doesn’t care.

        • Commandant says:

          Sometimes guys just slump. There doesn’t need to be a narrative, a rhyme or reason for it. It just happens. And if you work hard, before you know it the slump is gone and you are scoring again.

          Go Habs Go!

          • Paz says:

            Maybe. But slumps are about scoring goals not stick handling, protecting the puck and blind passes.

  16. scrotchland says:

    no changes to habs lineup. same useless players., rah rah gorges whos play is rubbing off on subban. George cement shoes parros who looks like he’s skating in quicksand. even elmer lauk at 93 could skate faster.

  17. zephyr says:

    my gosh. subban makes 1 mistake & guys think he can’t play. deteriorating play?? what r u smoking to think that? we’re lucky to have him & every other gm in the league would die to have him. he’s young & oozes ability & he produces. he’s a very rare find & u don’t trade those guys ever. he’s the best habs dman since chelios & robinson.
    sometimes I wonder how drunk some of these posters are when they watch the games. maybe even drunk when posting. thank goodness mb is patient & in possession of his sanity.

    • scrotchland says:

      subbans play has been going downhill for the past 10 games. not just one mistake., no wonder babcock didnt play him.

      • Mavid is a Canadian and Golden Price is OUR MAN says:

        he did not play him because he was an case of injury but hey don’t let facts get in the way of your rants

        Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  18. Say Ash says:

    Love the TSN preview:

    “It’s been a mostly one-sided affair this season, with the Leafs taking two of three meetings”

  19. 24 Cups says:

    I realize this is totally off the wall but what the hell.

    I wonder just how bad Tyler Myers is playing these days. Does he need a fresh start or has he totally flamed out? He has another five years left at 5.5M a season that’s pretty steep. He’s huge, just 24 and shoots right. IF he could gradually improve and be a decent 2nd pairing guy, it might be better to trade for him right now and then move Markov to make cap room.

    I’m off for a nap. I need to rest as I’ll be watching the game at a local watering hole tonight right in the heart of laffland. I might wear my Dick Duff Hab jersey just to throw people off a bit.

  20. PrimeTime says:

    Not that it will happen but you have to wonder what MB could get in return for PK. Habs have decent depth and D prospects for the next few years. What they lack is the same in forwards. PK would be a hit on a US team and Habs could get maybe 2 good young forwards. MB could use the salary PK is expected to command to sign a top 3 F or top 2 D UFA in the offseason. If PK is as good as his followers believe, then trading him could accelerate the Habs build – similar to when the Bruins traded Thorten to SJ.

    • CJ says:

      Take a look at that Bruins Sharks deal. It is entirely one sided. Boston got basically what amounted to nothing for Thorton.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I would welcome a trade although I am coming from a different perspective… being one of his ‘followers’. A trade would tell us once and for all which side is right. P.K is overrated or demoralized. We wont know if he stays in MTL.

      I know you think he is overrated.

      • Paz says:

        Agreed I would welcome a trade as well. And Subban is one of my favourite players. Enough is enough.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I put Eller in that same category. I cannot see how a player like Eller who showed such tangible growth can ‘drop’ off in the skill game as sharply. But I gotta be honest also… I have no faith in my evaluation of players anymore. Actually I have no idea what good hockey is anymore. All I dont enjoy the games today.

          • Paz says:

            Trini, you and I see things exactly the same way.

            Eller and Subban, two of my favourite players. It’s not easy to watch.

      • zephyr says:

        we don’t KNOW anything. subban is an elite talent. he’s young. anyone who trades him ought to be shot.

        • ont fan says:

          Did we learn a lesson when they traded Roy?

          • scrotchland says:

            that trade is all on mr ego roy. because he basically asked to be traded in public., habs had to settle for less in return.
            if roy would of been a man and waited until after the game to ask for trade habs would have gotten more.

          • ont fan says:

            Ask for a trade all you want. St. Louis asked for a trade in 2010 and he wanted to go to NY. He was told if the value isn’t there, you’re staying put.

          • Thomas Le Fan says:

            Well, if we didn’t learn that Tremblay (spit) should have been fired after the game and Corey should have kissed Patrick’s butt on the corner of Atwater and St. Catherine’s while apologizing profusely, no we’ve learned nothing.

            Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  21. habstrinifan says:

    Bob Dylan! And now Colbert. What next Ralph Nader memorial stuff on sale at WalMart?

    Say it aint so Stephen!

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Many people like to shop at Walmart while many other people like to pretend that they are superior to those who do. 😉

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

      • habstrinifan says:

        You got a point. And I accept your kick in the arse if that is how my post comes across. My analogy was more along the line of seeing the estate of Ralph Nader for instance sell memorabilia to him at WalMart given Walmart’s image as profiting off absolutely low wages; rigged hours etc.

  22. habstrinifan says:

    Just read the P.K/Nilan interview. P.K is such an arse. Doesn’t he read HIO at all.

    The experts in Human Sociology here at HIO have posted time and time gain that P.K is one of those ‘type’ of people who dont need no support from his coach.

    Come on P.K! Read HIO Man!!!!!!!

    • Paz says:

      It comes down to respect. Period.

      Subban has earned respect and Therrien is not responding.


    • 24 Cups says:

      I watched the video. Dave Stubbs is just a classy person. He just oozes integrity. He might be a bit old school but that’s what today’s media is missing at times.

    • Phil C says:

      Do you think PK has any accountability for his play, or is it all big-ole-meanie-pants-Therrien’s fault?

      • Paz says:

        Phil, in hockey everyone makes mistakes. Robinson, Markov, Orr and Doughty. Everyone.

        The coach chooses how to deal with these mistakes.

        Players who win awards, who are selected to their national team are usually not benched for their mistakes.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          But it’s how many times do you do the same mistake(s)? Quite sure all the above named were reprimanded during their careers, but if you keep doing the same thing over and over and over again, coach’s tend to get pissed.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • habstrinifan says:

            Question then!!!!! Is he the ‘only’ player on the team making the ‘same mistakes’? If your answer is YES.. then trade the fuc….ing idiot… no team needs him and it is about time HABS STOP ‘sticking too long’ with overrated players. But if your answer is NO?… do you have any explanation for the alacrity with which Therrien ‘punishes’ him.

            Oh wait! You may have been one of those who endorsed humiliating P.K because he is not the ‘type’ who needed respect and affirmation.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Last year White was both in Boone’s (remember the picture Boone used with White wearing the Dunce hat) and MT’s dog house. White was in the Press box for many a game for in MT’s opinion taking too many bad penalties.
            White obviously took MT’s “Advise” to heart and this year is playing way better (and taking many less bad penalties) and playing more.
            Of course without question PK is a better player than White , but Norris Trophy winner or 4th liner you have to fix what is wrong with your game.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

        • ont fan says:

          I’m not sure Scotty just ran Robinson out there after a huge mistake in Larrys early years.

          • Paz says:

            After Robinson won the Norris in 77 I believe, you think he was benched after that. He was 26.

          • ont fan says:

            I’d love to see what Scotty would do if Robinson played as recklessly as PK at 24, Norris or not.

          • ont fan says:

            I think Bowman was going to trade Yzerman to Ottawa if he didn’t get his act together defensively.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            I believe “Scotty’s) temper was shorter than MT’s. He did it behind closed doors.
            Also Larry might have made the mistake once and corrected it. PK just keeps them coming regardless of the consequences.
            BTW I also would be more than happy if PK scores the winner vs the Leafs tonight.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

  23. CJ says:

    Trying to think out of the box regarding PK and what has ailed our star over the past two months.

    I’m wondering if there is a correlation between’s PK’s play deteriorating and the struggles our defence endured during the second half of January. What I’m suggesting is that during our losing streak, the entire defence played poorly, notably the Markov and Emelin pairing. When that happened, PK became the primary target on the back end, allowing organizations to hone in on him exclusively. In doing so, they were able to disrupt his timing, which by extension has eroded his confidence.

    This is a long way of saying that what we need right now, and so much as I recognize that defence is the strength of our talent pool, is another top 2 defencemen to unload some of the pressure that PK is facing. People on this forum regard Markov as a number two. Truth is, he is a number three four guy – a great one at that. We need, the way many teams do, a legit top two guy who can work the PP with PK and can back up his partner. Georges is not that guy at even strength, and Markov is not that guy on special teams.

    In summary, if the team wanted to make a push, one of the key elements missing is that number 2 defencemen. Question is, is Montreal prepared to be a buyer and give up future prospects and/or picks to land that defenceman?

    IMO, PK and Price are our best players. Price struggled at the end of last year, so they brought in Waite, which again IMO, was a terrific move. Now, focus and attention should turn to our other star. Give him the kind of quality partner he deserves. Weber/Suter, Pietrangelo/Boumester, Keith/Seabrook……..PK/Georges and Markov.

    In my profession, it’s key to identify your best assets and then do whatever you can to ensure they shine. We’ve done it for Price, now let’s do it for PK.

    Just my two cents….CJ

    • PoochHabs says:

      That’s exactly what PK needs…a strong., stable #2 defenseman that can log 22-25 minutes without it affecting his play. Habs don’t have the resources to acquire one without it deeply affecting the rest of their roster. Perhaps Beaulieau or Tinordi can be that player in a few years?…I would try Emelin on his correct side with PK and see if that helps him out.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      I like the cut of your jib on that one. Makes sense. Shame that Larry wanted to come here and the management basically said no by saying hold on. Big mistake. He would’ve helped this back end and namely PK in a huge way. Hoping PK can come out of his funk tonight!

      Shaker out!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        jimmy, I’m on the record as wanting Larry Robinson to be hired as the defencemen’s coach last time around, but it’s inaccurate to say that he wanted to come here and management didn’t.

        A Gazette reporter contacted him shortly after Jean-Jacques Daigneault was hired to get to the bottom of this. When asked why he didn’t get the job or even interview for the job, he responded with this shaggy dog story about his cellphone not being charged or missing texts, and his house being flooded and promising to call the next day but then something else happened, another team was contacting him, …

        While the picture is muddled as to what exactly transpired, if Larry had wanted the job, something could have been arranged, despite all the other complications. It seemed to me that Larry is still not over some of the past slights, real or perceived, he suffered while a Canadien, and that he’s not quite comfortable working for the team still.

        So let’s not keep repeating this HIO meme that Larry Robinson wanted to coach here but was rebuffed, it’s untrue, and saying in over and over won’t make it so.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      We can only hope that Tinordi, Beaulieu or Pateryn turns out to be a good partner for Subban. Looking forward to seeing Tinordi play again against Toronto! Last time he played the Leafs he punched one of them out and broke the guy’s nose! That’s always an added bonus to a strong defensive game by the big guy!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Any “correlation between’s PK’s play ‘deteriorating’ and his ‘chat’ with MB. Check the chronology.

      • CJ says:

        Was that the chat before the Detroit game? If so, it was during the struggle.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Since that chat P.K has played almost ‘deliberately’ uninterestedly.

          Can a ‘skilled’ player lose it so ‘suddenly’. Who knows? But then again maybe he isnt as skilled as people like me thought and, as someone posted here a while back… he only one the Norris because he is Black.

          Would be interesting to find out before too much time passes and he becomes another HAB prospect with no prospect.

          • CJ says:

            I’ve watched skilled players take a much steeper slide in less time. Chuck Knoblach couldn’t throw from second to first with the Yankees. David Duval went from being a major championship winner and world number one player to being unable to break 80 and nearly giving up the game. Lots of examples both inside hockey and out.

            Matter of fact, I was just leafing through sports illustrated. Whether it’s college football, basketball, tennis, any sport, a common theme in nearly every article is confidence. PK has lost his along the way. Best thing, IMO, to pick the kid up and show him how confident the organization is in him is to bring in a first line partner who can share 25-30 minutes a night.

    • Phil C says:

      I agree that a number 2/3 defenseman is a big hole in this roster. I have no problem giving up assets for a player under contract, not a rental. In order to leverage the value of a goalie like Price, they should invest in some good defensemen.

    • Habitforming says:

      It’s not a stretch to think that could be the issue. So why not start by calling the Sabres and asking about the cost of Tyler Myers?

      It might be a lot to get him but this type of thing is necessary if you want the best player. Toronto took a huge leap of faith in Kessel and paid the price. Its arguable if it worked out for the Leafs getting the best player, but it is close for now.

      Having a future blueline of PK, Myers, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Emelin and Georges is scary good, and stuff championship teams are built from.

    • KS says:

      This makes a lot of sense. Also, by forcing Markov to be on the top pair, he ends up playing more minutes than he should then he runs out of gas. How about Tyler Myers? Still not fully proven but well on his way…..

    • CJ says:

      Thank you for the replies. Lots of great comments. If you want to land a bomb, give this a once over;

      Move Markov for picks and/or prospects. Then, swing a deal for Shae Weber. If that can’t be done, then target Myers, Gudbranson or Jacob trouba. I’d add Lindholm as a primary target, but I’m trying to stay away from teams who are bound for the playoffs.

      That would send shock waves. I’m serious when I say I regard PK as a generational talent. I want to see the franchise invest in PK and insulate him. With all due respect to Georges, this is not happening.

      • PoochHabs says:

        Of all the defenseman you listed, Lindholm would make the most sense as he’s a left-handed defenseman. Trouba, Myers and Gudbranson are right-handed. Ideally on a top-pairing you want a right and a lefty. Keith Yandle would be my other choice…

    • Forum Dog says:

      Beaulieu and Tinordi can fill that spot over the next couple of years. Tinordi especially could be a great compliment to PK at 5-on-5 play, and Beaulieu is going to take that left point spot on the PP. I think it may be status quo until then, unless they can find a contract that expires in 2 years or less. Markov maybe, though he is not the best counter-balance to PK at this stage.

      To me, the most important thing right now is a solid #3-4 who is a RH shot and bring some stability to the top two pairings. Much like the forward lines, they have been all over the map all season.

      • PoochHabs says:

        Yes exactly! They are missing a second line right-handed shot. I would keep Tinordi, Beaulieau and Emelin (any order) on the left side and Subban, ________ and Pateryn on the right. Flip Gorges for a righty.

        • CJ says:

          Kevin Bieksa, if the Canucks go into rebuild mode would fit that description.

          • PoochHabs says:

            That would be perfect!

          • CJ says:

            It would really help. He is signed for two more years at $4.6 million per year. It would need to be a hockey deal, but the Canucks might want to turn the page. If we deal Markov, we should have the assets to land Bieksa. Suddenly we have guys playing their correct side.

            Maybe Georges (a BC guy) and prospects and picks? I’m not familiar enough with the Canucks to identify their wants and needs both short term and long term.

          • PoochHabs says:

            Hamhuis, Garrison and Edler are all lefties, so unless they do turn the page they would probably want to part with one of those three before they do Bieksa. They will probably want to re-sign Diaz to keep the balance. We’re pretty deep with right-handed defensive prospects so maybe a Nygren, Pateryn, Ellis, Dietz, Thrower plus a roster player would entice them?

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Kevin Bieksa as a rightie is just as valuable to the Canucks as he would be to almost any team in the league. Right now the Canucks have only he and near-rookie Chris Tanev on the right side, along with afterthoughts Yannick Weber and Raphaël Diaz. They are looking to deal a leftie, preferably Alex Edler.

            More generally, and especially if Ryan Kesler is traded, Kevin Bieksa is as close to an untouchable as you can get on the Canucks’ roster, and that was a subject of discussion yesterday by a panel during the game broadcast. He’s a big tough mean defenceman who can play both ends of the ice, both special teams, and who is a leader on this team. Since the Canucks are committed to the Sedin brothers for another four years after this season, they won’t go ‘scorched earth’ rebuild like the Sabres are doing, they’ll keep some of their good players and try to reload slowly on the fly.

    • Wintercount says:

      Since the opposition are keying on him(PK) at the blue line why are the four other players on the ice apparently standing at the blue line without any idea of what to do next.
      – no one covering his tail if the play aborts?!?
      – nobody moving with speed into the zone with him?!?
      – it’s not preseason, we are 60 games into it, is there not a chalk board behind the bench? Ffs……

      Someone mentioned playing Pk as a forward on the pp, which is not a bad idea, but it could be taken a step further. Play him as a rover, allow him to move wherever he wants in the zone and find players that will/can adapt. This is not brain surgery!
      Honestly, I don’t care where they finish in the standings. I worry about 27 already losing a season in junior and losing more valuable time because of MT’s inability to see the big picture.

      Mt is a 1980’s method actor, whose time has long since passed him by…
      And I will remember their shameful treatment of Eller…

  24. Un Canadien errant says:

    A Raphaël Diaz sighting last night in the Canucks game against the Wild: he patrolled right wing on the fourth line so as to be available for powerplay duty if necessary. In doing so, he stole Yannick Weber’s job as the 12th forward/PP specialist. Raffi played about seven minutes, and less than a minute on the powerplay.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      YA he sucks, we all know that and anyone with at least half a brain is happy he and Weber are gone :-). Sorry if that was a bit harsh.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I still remember all those posters defending and praising Diaz….LOL

      • CJ says:

        I do to. Truth is, there is likely a 50/50 chance he will be in the league next season. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up playing in Switzerland within two to three years.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I was one of those posters. I wanted Roman Hamrlik and Jaroslav Spacek to sit or be traded so we could give P.K. more responsibility, and Yannick Weber, Raphaël Diaz and Alexei Emelin a chance to show what they could do. Nothing controversial about that, I wanted to prepare for the future, even if it cost us a couple of losses along the way.

        In due time, Alexei proved to be a useful defenceman, notwithstanding his ACL injury. Raphaël had opportunities, as befitted a right-shooting offensive defenceman who showed glimpses of being an effective puck mover and point producer. Unfortunately, he stalled in his development for various reasons, and wasn’t going to be worth the money he would command as an unrestricted free agent. That he was moved for another asset at this point in his career and this point in our team’s progress makes a lot of sense.

        In the final analysis, he was a player who was worth taking a risk on, who played hard and was never a problem to the team, and who cost us nothing to acquire but netted us a fourth-liner in return. So the Diaz Experiment was a net positive, he plugged a hole in our roster while younger players developed, and he left the team on good terms.

        In another universe, where skating and skill rule the NHL, and where Erik Gryba is a policeman and contributes something worthwhile to society, Raphaël has an important role to play on an NHL team. In this one, where Don Cherry and Colin Campbell infect hockey, his skills don’t allow him to thrive. That’s not something for which I scorn him. I actually will remember him fondly.

        My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  25. habstrinifan says:

    Justin Trudeau said it in a very stooooooooooopid way but he was basically RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Russia has essentially ‘invaded’ Ukraine and while the Hockey loss was not , as Trudeau put it, a factor… the ooohing and aaaahing of the freakin world over those Olympics and how ‘un-intimaditing’ Putin( Russia) really is has given them legitimacy which they are now using.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I don’t follow this all that closely but I note that the very 1st act of the new (unelected) Ukrainian govt. was to repeal a law making Russian the official 2nd language in certain parts of Eastern Ukraine. (Where there is a large Russian minority).

      I’m not convinced the rebels, some of whom are quasi fascist, are such good guys.

      Thug versus thug from where I sit.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Totally agree with you. The ‘rebels’ are really ‘pro European’ in heritage, culture, and affiliation and are as you put it, “far from good guys”.

        And Europe has played them for a fool. “Let us into your market and then if we make enough corporate profit we’ll let you be ‘one of us’… as we did Turkey… oh WAIT”.

        And Russia is definitely involved behind the ‘Eastern’ sise which is almost 100% pro Russian… despite any warnings of ‘undemocratic’ Russian rule.

        My point is now Putin is gunslinging his way thru it without any fear.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Nice of Trudeau to point the obvious out. Problem with Obama in power in the USA, he’ll “Talk the Talk” but not do “The Walk” (like in the middle East) and no one will stop Putin in dividing the Ukraine in half. Would be really testy if Ukraine had joined NATO as attack one attack all.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

      • habstrinifan says:

        See I knew 100% that that response would come … from someone.

        I agree that Obama is powerless now. And he has not proven to be the President people hoped for.

        But you very conveniently failed to mention one major point.

        Obama went to congress and asked for a vote to use the military in some fashion in Syria. Which is the ‘RIGHT’ procedure that had not been followed for the past few wars.

        And the vote was ‘NO’! Even Republicans like McCain and King stood up and called it a mistake for the Congress to vote down the strike Obama was prepared to make.

        Let’s debate.. but let’s debate factually. The USA today is weak. And Obama is only ‘one’ of the reasons why.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          I was not referring to Syria where I would agree with congress (and with Obama to go to Congress) to vote No for as bad as the current leader (Assad) is, the rebels IMO are even worse as it will turn Syria into another Lybia due to the many “Factions” who will try to seize power.
          Obama can talk all he wants, but Putin acts.
          BTW, did you hear about the Russian Warships now sitting in Havana’s harbor?

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

  26. habs001 says:

    As i been saying for years there is no historical evidence prior to the NHL that Eller can be a scorer..Posters here base it on a couple of short scoring streak that he has had in the NHL that most players have had..He does some things well but he is poor in the scoring zones on the ice when he has an opportunity to score or set up scoring chances… DD 809 points in his junior and pro career..Eller 286 points…i know different leagues and games but i believe if you experience offense it helps you when scoring chances come up…DD is probably not the sollution for top scoring centre but i just dont see Eller anything more than a 3rd liner…

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Desharnais is quite the little spark plug and good offensively. I’ve ripped him in the past but have come to appreciate him more. In saying that though, I’m a bit unhappy with the way Eller is being used and kinda wish he was in Deharnais’ spot.

      A good center in the NHL has to play well defensively and Deshanais stinks in that regard. With the right wingers I could see Eller making a beter second line center, scoring about 20 goals and adding 30 or so assists, putting up Plekanec type numbers.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Am I dreaming or did Bourque have one if his better games when he replaced Max on the DD line?

        • jimmy shaker says:

          He did wake up a bit….but I would love if this guy gets moved and Briere can move up and get more minutes in which he deserves. If bourque doesn’t get moved, then sit him. Briere moves up, prust comes in and white comes back…..Parros, bourque and bournival are the odd men out!

          shaker out!

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          It sucks that Bourque is playing worse than advertised when we got him from Calgary. I expected a 20-goal-scorer with size who unfortunately vanishes on occasion. He’s now taken that one step further and has completely vanished.

  27. habs001 says:

    If the Habs roster remains the same and they make the playoffs they will have limited scoring…The odds are the majority of their playoff games will be very low scoring and many may go into overtime…For example if they played the Leafs who would have more of an advantage in close or overtime games..the Habs with better D and goaltending or the Leafs who would have more scoring potential in their forwards….

  28. mksness says:

    as much as i would like to see some team changes, i have a hard time seeing it happening when the team sits 2nd/3rd in the conference.

    this team will take a serious dive if they trade markov.

  29. nick says:

    According to the poll…. 66% of folks here aren’t happy with the work Therriens done. For @#$% sakes people, MTL is in third place in the east. How can you not be happy with that?

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Assuming he gets credit for that, maybe you’re right. Many of us, however, are not convinced of that.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • JUST ME says:

      Let me guess. Because he is french, because he humiliated P.K. because he humiliated Eller, because D.D. is his darling,because Bourque is his darling,because Briere is his darling,because Gionta is finished but still being used,because Gorges is finished but still being used,because Moen is finished but still being used…

      Of course you understand that this is a resume of comments read here oh HIO but make no sense what so ever anywhere else but here !

    • mark-ID says:

      I think it is a little much also. Not sure what he has to do to get people to not hate him. I guess people don’t like the way he handles the young guys…which is fine. For all we know though, if another coach were to come in and play the young ones more…..our record might not be as good, who knows?

      In my opinion, he is getting the a lot out of the players he has(maybe not the most, but a lot). In the next couple of seasons, it will be MB’s job to make the necessary changes to the roster that will allow for us to truly compete for the cup….with or without Therrien behind the bench.

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Crazy eh! Like every poll though it isn’t exactly worded correctly. There are people a bit unhappy with certain players ice time and so on so they vote no. Half the people that are unhappy would probably say they’d have to give him the benefit of the doubt because of the success he’s had.

      I voted yes. I can’t imagine anyone else doing any better with this roster.

    • PoochHabs says:

      True you can’t argue where we sit in the standings however I think it’s more of how Therien uses his players and gives some players more rope than others. His decision-making has been questionable at times but it seems like the Habs always pull off a win which validates Therien’s decisions out there. Bergevin hasn’t helped Therien with some of his questionable acquisitions either…

    • Mr. Biter says:

      I think when he was hired he was already under water in the Fans poll.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

  30. 24 Cups says:

    Seeing Kate Upton at the top of the page each day sure beats talking about the Habs.

  31. sweetmad says:

    I went to my first ever live hockey game to see Gally, honoured at the Vancouver Giants arena,I was hoping I would get the chance to meet him,but didn’t get picked.It was pretty great to see all the number 11 HABS jerseys,there were even a number of 73 jerseys which Gally wore when he first came up,I wore my Carey tee shirt,it was ay the begining of the Olympics so I get afew cheers for Carey.
    The Giants lost and Thrower is still injured,which was a disapointment,but one of the Giants people told me he was their best player,he is still not playing.It was quite a night for me,although it wasn’t the HABS,it was still my first hockey game,and quite exciting.

    I keep reading about what player does what,and how bad they are,now I don’t know that much about hockey,not growing up with it and learning about it so late in life,but it seems to me that they don’t support each other enough,you see Eller make a good play or even Bourque and there is no one to support them,you never see that with Pleks and Gio,they are the only two you ever see supporting each other.It seems to me that the team as a whole is not very cohesive,except the game we played against the Hawks,perhaps that is the players fault or the coaching,but if we could get that together I think we would do much better.

    I wish people would leave PK alone,he is an amazing young man with amazing talent,he is also still learning his craft,it is not like an electrician,where you know which wire goes where,there are variables in hockey,and it seems to me PK is not prepared for the people he will play against,perhaps that is him or perhaps he is not being prepared enough.I wish he had come up under the radar instead of being spotlighted,by the playoffs and that great run.I know he has the kind of personality,that puts him in the spotlight and I love it,but I think MT does not treat him right.

  32. HardHabits says:

    Consensus is that Buffalo won the trade.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      I would agree, but I think if St. Louis can resign Miller and they have a strong playoff run, then I don’t thin St. Louis will care.

      • Storman says:

        And if the sign Miller or advance to Conference Finals that third round pick becomes another 1st round pick this year..Still if St Louis gets to the finals and wins that trumps all.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I don’t think you can pass judgment until the after the trade deadline. Buffalo could still move Halak or Stewart which would impact the original deal.

      Of course, if St Louis wins the Cup in the next few years they automatically win the deal in my eyes.

      Good news out of Toronto. Bolland still isn’t ready to play.

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Hey wait! Wasn’t Halak the solution to all the Blues problems? Suddenly Miller is? Musical chairs?

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  33. Habfan17 says:

    I can’t wait to see what the next big trade will be, even if it does not involve the Habs


  34. mark-ID says:

    Apparently White is still out for tonight with the flu.

    Wonder if we will go with same lines? Briere centering 4th. I guess we can’t move him to the third line because then no one on the fourth can take faceoffs.
    Hopefully we keep the goals coming like in Pitts.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  35. Hobie Hansen says:

    Greg Pateryn and a 2nd round pick to Buffalo for Chris Stewart. Good idea? Bad? Enough to get it done? Too much?

    • mark-ID says:

      I would do that in a second as we have other young D-men ahead of him on depth chart. Not sure that would get it done though. We can always hope though.
      You would have to think Ottawa would one up that with a better prospect though….from the reports we’ve been hearing.

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        My goodness, just imagine Spezza, Ryan and Stewart on the same line…finesse, grit and size.

        • mark-ID says:

          yea we bother know living in Ottawa…that would suck if they get him. They already have our number for some reason…this would only make it tougher for the Habs.

          “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Storman says:

      One thing to think about,,Good Right handed D are getting quite hard to find and develop,,Although we Have Darren Dietz and Dalton Thrower in the prospect pipe lines as well..

      I would think getting Stewart will require Buffalo gets at minimum yet another 1st round pick to there more than full cup board of early round selections over the next 2 years.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would rather move Ellis and a 2nd. Pateryn is almost ready and is older. The Habs don’t have another righty close to being ready.


    • 24 Cups says:

      HH – Stewart has another year left on his contract which increases his trade value. Wannabes and second rounders won’t cut it anymore for Buffalo. It’s time to bring in tangible assets if they are going to move Stewart.

    • habs_54321 says:

      will need too other eller plus I believe

  36. Storman says:

    Hey boys and girls just a heads up free preview center ice on Bell until march 4th,, comes in viewing handy for those interested in today’s multitude of early games..Storman………

  37. habulations says:

    We will destroy the leafs tonight. Subban has been disciplined and he will play a strong game. Can’t wait!

  38. jols says:

    When an agent says x player would love to stay on x team, the unsaid sentence that follows this is, if they pay us a boatload of money and give us the term we want.

  39. habbernack says:

    I would try Pac on the right wing with DD to take advantage of his shot and put Bourque on the left side. Re-unite the EGG line and put Briere back with Plec.When Bournival gets back I would try him on the left side on the DD line

  40. kerrgte says:

    … just got back to central-ontario from florida. I was there for 2 months. I’m 65 and retired and could never have afforded this while I was working.

    as much as I’m not enamoured with the USA mystique (lunatic politics and neanderthal gun laws), I did enjoy the sunshine almost every day.

    In addition to a nice tan, the sun gives vitamin D. Vitamin D helps to suppress the onset of cardio-vascular disease, colon cancer, diabetes, and osteoporosis in women. For me, it also provides a feeling of well-being, and helps me combat SAD. I mention this because Sholi is in Winnipeg and for others of us in northern places. I also found that I was able to get out jogging or playing tennis every day which helps immensely in staying fit – another key ingredient in the psychological war against the winter blues.

    I mention this only because I want all us fans of les canadiens to be happy and healthy.

    Also of interest: Because Montreal is the last Cdn team to win the Cup (’93), then probability theory tells me that they’ll be the next Cdn team to win it again (I’m just not holding my breath for this year).

    Stay positive everyone and get as much sunshine as you can.


    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Everyone should take Vit D (1000 units) every day (unless they get it from the sun like you did).

      That is the end of you public service announcement.

  41. habfan01 says:

    So, Markov’s agent says he wants to stay a Hab. Do we do the classy thing as an organization and keep him- knowing it would take a multi year contract, or trade him while we can still get some value for him? And myself. personally, don’t see getting a 1st and a prospect for him like several people here have suggested in the past. IMO it’s either or.

  42. PrimeTime says:

    Not that it will happen but you have to wonder what MB could get in return for PK. Habs have decent depth and D prospects for the next few years. What they lack is the same in forwards. PK would be a hit on a US team and Habs could get maybe 2 good young forwards. MB could use the salary PK is expected to command to sign a top 3 F or top 2 D UFA in the offseason. If PK is as good as his followers believe, then trading him could accelerate the Habs build – similar to when the Bruins traded Thorten to SJ.

    • Habfan17 says:

      When running a team, the GM should be looking at all opportunities. It would have to be two established forwards that are young to make it even make sense, but if Markov signs for two years, and MB could swing a deal for another top 4 right handed defenceman and get two forwards for PK, then it might be the best move to make.

      I would love to see PK remain a Hab, but maybe a team where he isn’t in a media spotlight all the time would be better for him.

      If Colorado were to trade O’Reilly and Eric Jo hn s on for PK, that might be better for the Habs

  43. Habfan17 says:

    Larry Robinson was a converted forward to defence. The Habs need a 2nd line power right wing. Why not try PK there for a game or two?


    • Mark C says:

      Why would it make sense to move an elite D to the right wing on the second line? Especially during the playoff drive.

      • habfan01 says:

        Is PK an elite D? Ask Babcock about that. He is an offensive D with a lot of talent and potential, but his defensive game seems to in transition right now.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Didn’t Babcock help pick the team? If PK wasn’t elite he wouldn’t have been named a Defenceman on the best international team in the world.

      • Habfan17 says:

        He was a forward before his Dad convinced him to switch to defence because he said he could do better since there were fewer top dmen in the NHL.

        To answer your question, maybe, just maybe he has more value as a fast strong winger than he does as a forward. It worked for Robinson! Imagine PK speeding down the right wing and powering to the net! Putting him with Patches and DD may be the solution to getting more 5 on 5 scoring. Even better Patches, Galchenyuk and PK!


      • Habfan17 says:

        Don’t forget, Winnipeg does it with Byfuglien


    • B says:

      Markov was also a forward who converted to D.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  44. adamkennelly says:

    how bout Ron Hainsey giving Roussell a beating for that goalie run…great move by the former Hab – who knew?

  45. HabFab says:

    PK does a whole lot of saying not much in the Nilan interview. Must admit that worries me some.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, since he does not want to say anything that will burn him later, it is what was not said that may indicate a big problem


    • Phil C says:

      We know he is not happy. Nobody likes being benched. However it is one of the few weapons a coach has to get through to a player.

      Therrien is in a tough spot. If he does nothing, he knows they can’t win with PK playing the way he is. If he pushes too hard, it could blow up in his face.

      I don’t feel as much sympathy for PK as a lot of people here do. He had great success last year playing a more disciplined style, yet he is reverting back to many of the old habits that got him in trouble in the past. He definitely seems not easy to coach. It is a tough situation for both sides. Maybe they need to invest in a new defense coach, someone PK might listen to. It worked with Price. The big difference here is JJ is Bergevin’s guy.

    • punkster says:

      When was the last time you heard an interview with any existing top flight player that had any substance?

      But as a topic for s*it disturbing this one is as good as any today…stir away!

      Dump DD…
      Play Larry and Chucky 20+ minutes per game…
      Go full Breezer.

    • Paz says:

      Subban could have endorsed Therrien in any of the answers he gave and I don’t believe he did.

      He deserves to be treated as a young veteran, regardless of his mistakes.

      He has earned a certain status and Therrien is slow reacting to this.

      Suter, Weber, Dougty, Karllson, they all make mistakes because they play such key minutes.

      Markov has made some terrible mistakes as well.

      If Subban continues to be benched I think we could end up with a trade in the summer.

    • JUST ME says:

      I do not know if we should have expected otherwise from this interview. Of course we can read between the lines but isn`t that what we are doing here every day about him ? Cause if you listen or read on the french side there are no such dramas either about P.K. or about M.T.

      Let`s not forget about that and make a big fuss about a situation that does not really exist.

      The bottom line though is that P.K. will be in MTL long after M.T. is gone and probably after the next coach is gone too so…The players always win and with P.K. we know we have a winner ! As he has said he made a mistake the other day and will do some more cause this is the only way to learn.

      I know it`s cliché but 2 huge points tonight cause afterwards we are going west and it will be a tough challenge.

  46. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Dear Habs:
    Please beat the living crap out of the Leafs tonight as I’m surrounded by Leafs nation at work. I’d like to be able to bring a nice crap-burger to work on Monday & shove it down their throats. They’ve been harassing me all week.
    Hate the Leafs like a sickness.

  47. Maple bacon smells great, but there’s a reason it’s on sale……YUK!

    Shane Oliver
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    Congrats Carey Price and PK Subban, Montreal’s Gold Medal Members!

  48. Phil C says:

    To be a contender, you can’t afford to have any holes in your roster. This may mean that you may not have enough talent in certain areas. It can also mean you have players with talent that are not contributing as they should. Which brings me to Bourque. As much as I love his talent (his speed, physicality, and shot), he just does not compete hard enough. As a result he is often a 1/2 second late and he loses battles all over the ice. His gliding drives me insane – an elite athlete can’t keep his feet moving for 40 seconds? C’mon man!!

    As much as he is the type of player the Habs need on the roster, I don’t think they can win anything with him taking up a roster spot. If anyone needs to go before the deadline, it’s Bourque. He has just enough talent and size that a desparate GM could take a flyer on.

    • CJ says:

      I agree that Bourque does not have significant upside, or even a future in Montreal. Just be prepared. If it’s a one for one swap, we aren’t going to be landing the kind of player who can dramatically impact our chances going forward. Most likely, in a one for one swap, we will take back another project type player with salary and term remaining on their contract. Just my two cents. Cheers, CJ

    • Paz says:

      It was reported that Bergevin literally told the leagues GM’s that Bourque is available.

      He is terrible with the puck. No instincts. No vision. A turn over machine.

      So if he’s not flying all over the ice without the puck, he’s useless.

  49. Mark C says:

    Here’s some MOAR bigger erotica reading.

    Crisp seems well on his way to making a few HIO super scouts eat crow. Man, there was a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth with that pick.

  50. oh and it’s -50 this morning 😆

    Shane Oliver
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    Congrats Carey Price and PK Subban, Montreal’s Gold Medal Members!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hey bud hang in there, it is unbelievable the winter you folks are going through there on the Prairies. All the best Shane.

      • I spend my summers on the east coast, may as well pack er in here and spend winters too. It’s hateful around here. Only thing saving us is minor hockey and the Wheat Kings.

        What’s southern Ontario like in the winter, I know 80% of my customers are there, maybe I should try your neck of the woods.

        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
        Custom Sports Figures
        Congrats Carey Price and PK Subban, Montreal’s Gold Medal Members!

  51. Paz says:

    So I know it’s not very PC around here to question Bergevin, but that never stopped me before so here it goes.

    Patteryn, right handed shot, big frame, top defender in Hamilton, right?


    • CJ says:

      If you want to really go against the grain round here suggest that you either agree or see value in the majority of the moves Bergevin has made. That would be very unique here and would place you in very select company.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Unless some vets get traded there isn’t room at the present time is there? I mean Bouillon is already sitting, Drewiskie is about to start sitting. I think he is in the picture long term still, but some older deadwood needs to be moved out first.

    • Phil C says:

      He was slow with his decision-making with the puck in the pre-season, but I don’t understand why they haven’t given him a look since. He is the exact profile of the type of player the Habs need.

    • Mark C says:

      Haha not PC to question MB. C’mon Ed. About half the posts here complain about MT/MB. Hell, posters were just last night complaining about MB’s lack of action.

      Regarding Pateryn, might I suggest that management considers more factors than side a players shoots from, body size, and AHL pairing when considering call ups. I’m no expert nor have I viewed Pateryn enough to offer any precise reasons, other then perhaps management feels there are elements of Pateryn’s game that must be improved before a call up.

      I don’t know if this is the case, however given the obvious need in Montreal and production there must be a logical reason behind not calling up Pateryn. Maybe this is a situation similar to when a top hitting prospect is left in AAA, even though he’s lighting up the league. The scouts know he still can’t handle the curve and would soon be exposed in the bigs.

      • Paz says:

        Ah baseball! Now we’re talking.

        I can almost smell the fresh cut grass and the hotdogs and….oh crap I love to spend an afternoon at the ball park and I miss it terribly.

  52. montrealtilldeath says:

    I see Therrian has no idea how to handle a player like Subban. If they keep screwing him around he will eventually do a Patrick Roy and I will not blame him. I see Gorges and Markov mess up and they are out the very next shift. Does Ottawa sit Karlsson when he turns it over.? No! As Nilan says Therrian is is “dumbing down” PK. The man is an idiot. You cannot ask a blind man to cut a diamond. God I wish Larry was coaching the Habs. He knows that each player is a unique entity and must be handled accordingly. Thoroughbreds are not plow horses.

    • Mark C says:

      It’s not just the turnover, it’s the bad penalties and months worth of average to substandard play.

      • Paz says:

        If Habs brass agrees with you Mark I hope Subban is traded, for the players sake.

      • PK is maturing still. His ego needs changing big time. PK will be a Great D once his attitude changes? Its going to be very interesting going forward and see where this plays out in future games. Its contract time in the off season for PK and this will be MB highest priority to signed Norris Trophy winner from last season. Where will the bar start at in signing PK?

        • Paz says:

          I would say there are about 20 teams ready to offer Subban 8 million per season for 8 seasons.

          It could be “last call” at the Habs “bar” but Subban’s value around the league is still sky high.

          And the tickets he could sell?? Off the charts I think.

      • New says:

        Watch PK – I know people hate to do that – he is not as agile as he was when he entered the NHL. Without agility PK is a 6 foot D-man with limited vision. With agility he is an agile 6 foot D-man with limited vision. The difference between the bench (Habs) or the stands (Team Canada). The muscle mass was PK’s idea I hope but the result is he falls down trying to do what he once did.

    • Mondou6 says:

      I agree. To use a (bad) Bruin analogy, it’s like MT wants to turn Bobby Orr into Mike Milbury.

    • CJ says:

      I don’t know that it’s entirely a coaching issue. At some point, perhaps we need to consider that PK has skin in this game too. If I’m Therien, I’m preaching time and place. Nothing more. There is a time to turn it loose and time to take a step back.

      IMO, PK is lacking confidence on ice, which is impacting his decision making process. It will come back, I’m sure of it. In the interim, coaching staff need to support PK, while PK needs to improve his decision making process. Everything else will fall into place. Easy from the comfort of the couch, but this is the fastest team game in the world, and the difference between a great play and a terrible play needs to be made in a split second. Just my two cents..

  53. The Big winner in the Blues trade, Jake Allen (big fan here).

    Jake is walking into a gold mine, even if Miller stays, it’ll only be for a couple of years.

    Shane Oliver
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  54. zephyr says:

    I don’t understand the impatient types who are sour on eller. he’s really young still & reminds me of john leclair b4 we treaded him. didn’t work out too well for us did it? we’d be nuts to move eller.
    I also think dd is a keeper. he’s also young & is our best playmaker. he’s put up some nice numbers since his slow start. he works hard & plays with energy. reminds me of yoda for some reason. nobody was complaining about his points & winning goal vs. the pens.
    galchenyuk is our 2nd best playmaker but he has the whole package.
    I’ve been sour on gio & briere but both have been playing much better recently. prob is they’re both older & overpaid. we just can’t have so many small guys & expect to win. right now we need them because we don’t have much depth. same with georges. he’s undersized but we need him until the young guns step up.
    I’d keep markov unless we can’t sign him. I’d be ok with 3 years. he’s still very good & lots of older dmen like timmonen & what’s his face from Detroit have had success.
    I can’t see mb making any moves of consequence other than for depth unless gio & markov can’t be signed.

    • Phil C says:

      Yoda, now there’s a good handle for Desharnais!

    • I must have missed the show on Eller, the only people who don’t like him are Tony Marinara, and a few here that I don’t really recall.

      Eller proved how good he is when surrounded with scoring type players. He’s no superstar who will make others great, but he’s NHL capable. Playing him third line hockey is not proper use of talent. But hey what do you expect from an RDS L’AntiChambre analyst.

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  55. Lafleurguy says:

    re: the Bobby Dollas GM role play:

    It took the team from 2005 to 2012 to get those 5 guys (Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Galchenyuk). In other words, it takes time to uncover talent. Conspicuous by his absence from the list is you-know-who (hint: countryman of Frans Nielsson and Michael Boedker).

  56. Lafleurguy says:

    @Habfan10912, oops, Jim:
    Don’t let the catty remarks get to you.

  57. Maritime Ronn says:

    Re the Ryan Miller trade.

    Most would agree that Miller is an above average goalie – sometimes even spectacular, yet the Big questions are:
    Can he come through in the clutch?
    Can he win the big game(s)?

    Some may say St. Louis is an excellent team – now the Cup favourite, yet Miller did play for some outstanding Sabres teams through the years.

    Buffalo had one of the best teams in the East and finished 3 points from the top.
    In round 3 of the playoffs, Miller loses game 7 giving up 4 goals.
    He gave up 22 goals in 7 games.
    He had 4 not very good games.

    Buffalo wins the President’s Cup as the top team in the NHL.
    Once again, they get to the Conference final and lose 4-1 against Ottawa.
    Miller was not very good in 3 of those games, and loses 2 in OT.

    2010: Once again, a good Buffalo team seeded 3rd playing the 6th seeded Bruins.
    Sabres lose 4-2 and again Miller loses 2 OT games in the last 3.

    2011: Buffalo was 7th seed and lost 4-3 to Philly.
    Miller had 4 not very good games.

    2010 Olympics:
    Miller was absolutely spectacular, yet was Crosby’s rather bad angle Golden Goal, a goal that Miller should have saved?

    • Paz says:

      Goalies are like chefs.

      The restaurant needs a great chef to be very successful, but without the owners money, the supplies, management, staff and the right facility, the chefs cooking will never be appreciated.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      He’s also 33. His last all-star game appearance was 4 years ago.

    • New says:

      I think St Louis wanted stability in the nets. They are so good defensively that when the team has an off night the goalie wears it. When your D keeps most of the few shots to the outside you want to win like TC did with Price in the Games. St Louis is looking for a money goalie, most teams are, and they are few and far between.

      I have always been impressed with Miller but he seems to feel the pressure when it becomes all about him. Hitchcock can be pretty demanding with goalies that it is not all about them. Might work.

  58. Mavid is a Canadian and Golden Price is OUR MAN says:

    Habs vs Leafs..Saturday night..and an important doesn’t get any better..with the stash and crankshaft in our lineup..the blue and white will tow the line..
    Non hab related our airline got the charter to fly all the Sens family members to Vancouver for the classic..I tired to get in on the action..but no luck, however one of my friends is the AME on the flight so hopefully he will have some interesting stories when he returns..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  59. New says:

    So without Miller and Ott or their replacements Halak and Stewart the Sabres doubled up San Jose 4-2. Maybe it takes a team to win and not individuals? Just speculating.

    • third generation haber says:

      Bang-on about the team philosophy, but I’d suggest (different point entirely) that it takes a contender to win playoff series.

      Buffalo would get destroyed by SJ in a playoff series and so would the habs.

      j.p. murray

      • New says:

        For sure. There is nothing that spells victory better than the star who finally gets loose, makes no mistake, and puts the dog down.

        I think it was Dryden who once said that the team prided itself on being able to play any game the opposition brought. They didn’t dictate the game, they just beat you at yours.

        I am not sure the Canadiens are very many players away from that level.

      • HardHabits says:

        You are talking about the San Jose Sharks right?

  60. Psycho29 says:

    Good Morning Everybody,
    Light snow here in the Montreal area, but a great day to kick some “Leaf Nation” butt!!

  61. Hobie Hansen says:

    Interesting point by Bobby Dollas on TSN 690 just now…

    Subban, Pacioretty, Price, Gallagher and Galchenyuk (19) are all in mid to low 20s. The Habs are building around those guys. Anyone older than that must be moved for younger players and assets.

    • jon514 says:

      Agreed! We have some fantastic CHL prospects in Vail, Crisp, Bozon, Hudon + Reway… and hopefully McCaron.

      • third generation haber says:

        I’ve been following our prospect pool closely for the past 5 years and I believe (young hab core included) we have improved greatly. Our CHL prospects have surprised this year. Not sure if any of them will make the NHL, but if we continue to draft well, our organizational depth will eventually pay-off.

        j.p. murray

    • 24 Cups says:

      Like in Buffalo.

      Molson didn’t buy the team to miss out on playoff revenue.

      Besides, Hab pride and tradition wouldn’t allow the team to do what you suggest:) The only man who could have pulled that off would have been Gainey back in 2003. Alas, that ship sailed a long time ago.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I was listening to an very interesting interview about playoff money and the myth we are all under.

        After the split on a first round series, if you are eliminated, the money that ends up with the team would be enough to pay one year for a Moen. They have to kick up to the league and the players union. It only pays dividends if you go deeper into the playoffs.

        Since the Habs are not currently built for such a run, it would be better to trade off the UFA’s and other players that don’t fit the long term plans, restock, let the kids play and probably at this point, still make the playoffs. Don’t forget Price is one of the top goalies.

        Get some experience and depth in the off season with free agents that fill the holes that are missing now, younger players with sandpaper and some size.


    • third generation haber says:

      Dollas must think we should win a cup someday instead of continuously treading water (1995- present). So why would we re-sign Markov??? We should be seeking a 20 year old goal scoring prospect in return.

      The Blues just upped the stakes in the west, so possibly Markov just became a hotter commodity for the other contenders.

      We are nowhere close to cup contention; trade this guy while he still has big value!

      j.p. murray

    • JUST ME says:

      Unfortunately i think we can see the scenario evolving and once again no major changes will be brought to the roster because because because… Dollas was talking about the Markov file and is leaning towards getting the most out of what value he has.

      Yes our future looks promissing with this young core of players in place but to move forward then we have to be ready to let go some veterans while they have any value or lose them for nothing or sign new deals…

      We will not get any valuable asset if we only offer in exchange a bag of garbage ou unless we offer interresting package deals. I just do not think that there are that many dancing partners for those kind of moves.

  62. jon514 says:

    I would love to see the habs target the player they should have drafted last year. Anthony Mantha.

    I love Markov, but I would support a trade that brought back a HUGE RW Scorer that should be NHL ready in 2 years.

    Anthony Mantha to the habs anyone?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      It would be nice, yet there doesn’t appear there’s a chance in… Detroit would ever let him get away.
      Leading scorer in the “Q” with 108 points in 51 games including 52 goals.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I wouldn’t say it can’t happen. I could see a scenario where the Habs give Detroit permission to negotiate with Markov. If they agree to a contract, then send Markov, the first round pick this year and Andrighetto or Reway for Mantha. Detroit does already have some very talented forwards. The Habs could add Ellis if Detroit wanted another defenceman.

      That is still taking a bit of a risk that Mantha will pan out as a ifrst lne player.


    • third generation haber says:

      Detroit is not on the verge of a cup run, so they will not be offering any of their top prospects for a rental blue-liner.

      j.p. murray

      • Habfan17 says:

        Actually, I disagree, there core is older and not long to be as good as they are. They may see this as an opportunity to win that they can’t let slip away. The Habs could offer up something extra and the trade could be made contingent on Detroit negotiating a contract with Markov first.

    • Mark C says:

      How should have they drafted a player picked before their turn to pick?

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    Good trade I think for Buffalo if Stewart re-signs there. Also if St. Louis re-signs Miller or if they make Western Conf. final the third round pick becomes a first round pick.

    I don’t know anything about this Carrier or Halak guy though.

  64. CJ says:

    IMO, I think it very probable that Stewart is headed to Ottawa. I think Tim Murray is holding out for exactly what he wants, knowing Melnyk and uncle Bryan are reaching the desperation phase. He knows the organization as well, or better then his uncle and won’t be fleeced into taking Michalek. Just my opinion based on rumours floating around Ottawa. The only thing stopping this from getting done could be Bruce Garioch (Ottawa Sun reporter) who is currently right less then .01% of the time. He called this deal, so that would significantly improve his accuracy rate if it comes to fruition.

    • Mavid is a Canadian and Golden Price is OUR MAN says:

      Bruce Garioch is a total soon as I see his fat head over an article I skip over it..Chris Stevenson is my man for relatively decent writing

      Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  65. Paz says:

    So I found Nilans interview with Subban, in Stu’s article above, very revealing.

    I would say the part about confidence especially caught my attention.

  66. HABitat4humanity says:

    1 word. Vanek. We need him. Habs can not go any further without another 30-40 goal scorer. We have a lot of play makers but no finishers.

    We have a few of the oldies that need to go. mainly Markov, Moen, Gionta, Borque, ect. Package them up & throw in a few picks for Vanek.

    • habitunts1 says:

      Would love to land Vanek especially because he scores against the Bruins a lot it seems. I don’t see the Habs shelling out the money he would be asking though. And as a rental player I wouldn’t want to part with draft picks in our rebuilding stage. I see him going to the Kings.
      I would part with Georges if that’s possible to land Hemsky from the Oilers.


    • scrotchland says:

      you want to trade a bunch of young assets for vanek. isnt he an RFA after this season? so he could leave after this season.
      no thanks. we have enough PROBLEMS on this team (Therian, gorges, crappy management)
      anyhow vanek seems to lack maturity based on what happened at sochi

    • Habfan17 says:

      Vanek is like Bourque in that he disappears for games at a time. Not sure how he does in the playoffs either. Kind of like a Ryder. Just more skilled


    • 24 Cups says:

      I’ll take Tom Gilbert. Low coin, right hand shot, not too old, decent size (although he doesn’t use it that much) good puck mover. Perfect fit for Emelin next year.

  67. Hobie Hansen says:

    When taking a look at the Habs prospects, young players currently on the team and the veterans, it’s a tough choice on whether to try and keep things a float or blow it up.

    It doesn’t appear that guys like Pacioretty, Desharnais, Gallagher and Galchenyuk will be going anywhere. On defence, Subban will be signed, Emelin was just given a deal and Gorges is signed for a few more years. Tinordi and Beaulieu look as though they’re finally on the verge of becoming full time Habs. Price is here long term as well.

    So I don’t think the Habs are going to blow it up because they’ve committed to quite a few players. By not blowing it up though, can they possible acquire enough talent to one day become elite? Without selling off a bunch of players for picks and prospects?

    Aside from Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn and maybe Thomas, there’s no future NHLers down in Hamilton. So there’s not a crop of fresh, young talented forwards ready to make the jump to the Habs for another 2-3 years.

    Beyond that I do like what I see! We’ve finally got some grit with scoring punch ready to make the transition from Junior to the AHL. Odds are all of them won’t make the NHL in 2-3 years but hopefully a couple of them do. I’m talking about Tim Bozon, Connor Crisp, Brady Vail and Charles Hudon next year in Hamilton. I believe Mike McCarron and Jacob De La Rose are still two years away from the AHL but I’m excited about both those guys. De La Rose was just raved about in the WJHC and McCarron has all of a sudden turned it on in London.

    So I think Marc Bergevin should probably walk the tightrope and make sure his UFA signings are EXACTLY what the team needs and keep on going with the retool on the fly plan for another few years. Find the correct UFAs to surround Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Paciorrety.

    • JohninTruro says:

      Hobie, you don’t think Andrighetto has a hope of being any type of regular in the NHL? I think he stands a better chance than Thomas.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I just can’t see Bergevin bringing in another guy who’s 5’9″ with Gallagher and Desharnias being locks on the roster. Maybe Andrighetto or Thomas but not both. While on the topic, Thomas sure isn’t doing much down in Hamilton thus far…

        • CJ says:

          Andrighetto or Thomas?

        • JohninTruro says:

          Hobie, where are Gionta and Briere in two years when Andri may be ready for a shot though? If he is good enough, he is good enough.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            It’s just my opinion but I can deal with Gallagher being the small scrappy guy on the club and maybe one more smaller guy like Desharnais. Anything more than that making up your 12 forwards and you’re putting yourself at a disadvantage. Unless we’re talking about an ultra-talented star player.

          • JohninTruro says:

            Tough to argue having a lot of small guys as a good thing, but possibly with a good balance of size/grit there levels that issue off.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Hopefully at the end of this season, with another team!


  68. JF says:

    Difficult to evaluate the trade until we see what the Sabres do with Stewart and Halak, but my initial impression is that they didn’t get enough or didn’t get the right players. There seem to be question marks about Stewart’s attitude or work ethic, otherwise he wouldn’t have been traded twice. And Steve Ott is the kind of player teams need – a tough, gritty player who can actually play. A bit like Chris Neal, and not easy to replace.

    The Sabres are stockpiling prospects and draft picks to a ridiculous extent. At some point they’re going to have to start actually turning them into a team – trading some for the right veterans, etc. This will require vision.

  69. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning Friends.

    My wife and I took on a feral cat once and gave it a warm home, food and attention. It soon became an almost normal house pet. Friends often joked about how this cat stepped into a pile of goodness. I often wondered what this cat thought about his found fortune in life.

    While I don’t pretend to read the minds of animals or humans, I’m guessing that Ryan Miller must feel something like that cat did this morning.

  70. rhino514 says:

    Nice screen by Eller on the PP(!!!) yesterday on Emelin´s goal. It may have even touched him.
    And kudos for Therrien for having the cajones to put him on the PP in a critical situation. That PP can only have good consequences for both Emelin and Eller. Let´s hope MT keeps putting him “in situations where he can succeed” as he often said during Desharnais´prolonged slump earlier this year.
    I firmly believe Emelin can be a force on the second wave PP someday (soon?) if he just has a bit more confidence; he demonstrated some good savvy and movement on the goal.
    I think they have better options than Georges on the other point, though.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      The Dutch know skating.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, Emelin did play on the power play in the KHL and did pretty good. I was surprised he wasn’t getting time on the 2nd unit.


    • 24 Cups says:

      Emelin/good sized right hand shot UFA

      Only guy playing out of position is Gorges who did it for two years with Gill. This shouldn’t be asking too much from a guy who has been actively seeking the captaincy. Second PP tandem becomes Beaulieu/Emelin.

      All MB has to do is find that UFA right hand shot Dman. A guy who is mid range salary wise. Or trade DD for the same asset to a team that needs to create some offense. It would probably turn into a Ribs/Grabovski scenario but at least you would be getting a tangible asset in return.

      • Paz says:

        You write “trade DD” with such ease, but Bergevin can not and will not trade him.

        It pains me to write this because it is absolutely not what I want, but Eller is gone either this weekend or July 1st.

        • 24 Cups says:


          Of course we could always flip Eller to the wing if Galchenyuk moves over. Not an ideal move but Eller sure beats any other option right now.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Tom Gilbert Florida ($900K this year)
        He is not big ( 6’2″-206)-not mean, but he is a right side guy and is now playing Top 2 minutes with Florida and is a PP guy.
        31 years old.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Exactly. Funny thing is that I just posted that at the top of the thread. Maybe us old farts do know a thing or two:)

          Gilbert instead of Bouillon and MacArthur or Frolik instead of Briere and this year might have been a bit different. Not every signing has to be a Vanek or Stastny at 7M a season for six years.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            and about the same time.

            I really liked MacArthur.
            Plays bigger than his size.
            2 years @ $3.25M.
            Proven + 20 goal scorer.
            …but, you know….

        • HabinBurlington says:

          When I went to watch the Leafs play the Panthers about a month ago, Gilbert stood out to me. He is big, and seemed more solid than the 206lb he is listed as. He played fairly big that night as well and does have a heavy shot, wasn’t overly accurate that night but seems like a decent dman indeed.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would rather Pateryn with Beaulieu!


  71. 24 Cups says:

    This may have been written before the Pittsburgh game but JT may have a point.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      JT spoke for a lot of us after that Detroit stinker. Yuck.

    • New says:

      “They’ll sell out the Bell and they’ll promote their glorious history in pre-game ceremonies featuring the remaining heroes of the past. It won’t work forever. In the end, people come to see a show.” – JT

      She is usually right. When the team starts to lose the passionate fans like her who make the weekend trek, grab the meals, taxi, souvenirs, and Hotels the home town fans soon follow. Right now, if someone put a team into Quebec, the market would walk. Twenty years and counting since the organization last sniffed the Cup. Montreal loves a winner….take that for what you will…but the list of long gone pro franchises there supports that.

      • 24 Cups says:

        A team in Quebec City is Montréal’s worst nightmare. The Habs would rationalize and say it will be a great rivalry (which it would be) but the heat would be on big time. Acceptance of the futility of the past twenty years would be out the window.

  72. rhino514 says:

    Anyone find it interesting and kind of funny that Briere has scored a couple of goals with Parros being instrumental in the play?
    Wouldn´t he probably be on track for at least 20 goals if he was playing top nine minutes, with let´s say a biggish guy like Bourque on his line?
    Or do you guys think MT has done well to not overplay him as perhaps he is a bit of a defensive liability?

    p.s. Gionta, especially, and Briere perhaps, are starting to find their wheels. That is a good sign heading into the playoffs. The only guys really off their game now are Subban and Eller. Subban I am not so worried about; but we really need Eller to find his game before the playoffs otherwise we become basically a two line team.

    • Paz says:

      In so many ways Bourque is the answer on paper.

      Too bad the game is played for real on ice.

      Big loss for the team.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I’ve watched too many games from Bourque to find any other logical conclusions. I’m sorry to say that on too many nights its an effort issue. Clearly the guy has talent and skill. We all see a flash or two on occasion that confirms this fact. It’s an inside issue with him and I don’t think that’s going to change but the fact that he has such talent, you don’t want to give up on him.

  73. 24 Cups says:

    I guess last night’s trade can’t really be evaluated until the Halak and Stewart deals go down. My first impression is that Buffalo didn’t get the right mix coming back the other way. I would have held out until St Louis gave up Jake Allen instead of some end of the first round draft pick. That way Buffalo would have had three legit goalie candidates that they could develop during the next few years. Failing that, I would have demanded Dmitrij Jaskin. However, grabbing Carrier might turn out to be a smart move down the road.

    It should be interesting to see how Buffalo reaches the cap floor next year. The easiest way for Murray to accomplish that task might be to phone Dale Tallon and seek out his advice. Or maybe Garth Snow.

    For those who think Montreal is on the verge of greatness in terms of team personnel, you might want to check out the player rosters and prospect lists for Chicago, St Louis and LA. A few steps below is Anaheim.

    • CJ says:

      Maybe Buffalo takes a swing in the RFA market. At the very least, they could force other organizations to match an offer, driving up the price of their asset.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi Cups

      I don’t believe Allen was ever in play as he is the Blues insurance moving forward.

      Funny you should mention how the Sabres are going to get to the Cap Floor next year ($52M-$55M)
      Now they’ve asked Ehrhoff to list 8 teams he would accept a trade to.

      That would leave the Sabres with 10 guys signed next year and almost $20M below the Cap Floor ( Florida Bryan Campbell going back?)
      As for UFAs, whatever is available, they would have to overpay as Buffalo will be a cellar-dweller for a while and well, Buffalo isn’t a city usually at the top of the list of landing places for UFAs.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Ronn – But isn’t that the point of trading, to bring a player like Allen into the mix? Buffalo still had a few more days to wear down St Louis. Miller was the key prize on the market. There were no other goalies available who could match what he will bring right now heading into April. I would have modified the deal to state that if St Louis re-signs Miller, then the Sabres have the option of the first rounder or Allen.

        Without Miller, St Louis can’t beat Chicago and LA. They were the more desperate team here, not Buffalo.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Hard to really know what went on in the conversation or who blinked

          There were not many landing spots for Miller.
          And while it appeared the heat was on St.Lou, it may have also been on Buff to move him.
          Imagine no deal, then Buff loses him for nothing.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hey MR,

        You nailed it, Buffalo wasn;t a plave UFA’s would sign in. With all the changes that may not be the case anymore! A younger free agent may want to sign now with amount of young picks coming, and the fact they would probably have a bigger role in Buffalo.


        • Maritime Ronn says:

          hi 17

          Money usually talks, doesn’t it….and there is no shortage of that with owner Terry Pegula.
          His Forbes estimated Ney Worth is $ 3.1 Billion.

    • Paz says:

      On the subject of Habs prospects anyone care to update the Colberg situation because I see it turning sour. Knee problems last summer that lingered, no scoring.

      Take away Colberg and all I can really excited about is De La Rose at this point. Hudon has back problems.

      The rest?

      Not 4 year projects, please.

      Tell me who is going to make this team in the next season or two.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hi Paz – That is a hard call. Sometimes the players you think will make the jump, need more time or never make it, Corey Locke comes to mind. Then other you don’t expect, make it and play better in the NHL than in the AHL. Gallagher was definitely a surprise.

        You are right, it is a bit troubling that Hudon has a bad back, and speaking from experience, once you have one, they cause trouble at times, the rest of your life. Not sure how serious Collberg’s knee is.

        I still think that Bozon, Vail, Lehkonen, and Crisp have a good shot.
        Fournier may end up being a solid bottom 6, perhaps Gregoire too!


        • Paz says:

          Well I think we will have to see how these guys perform in Hamilton.

          Andrighetto is doing real well in Hamilton but he’s too small for our team.

          It would makes sense for him to be traded ??

  74. CJ says:

    Good morning folks! Nice little trade to get the weekend started. IMO, if there is anything that can be extrapolated from this deal it is that it appears to be a sellers market. You can’t help but think LA, Anaheim, San Jose and/or Chicago will now counter with deals of their own. By the looks of things, price for a quality rental could be sky high. Hopefully there is more activity leading up to Wednesday afternoon and deadline day.

    I enjoyed watching McCarron last night. He is certainly heads above where he was during the last televised broadcast in January. If not for a stick in the shooting lane in the first and a crossbar in the second, the big man could have left an impression on the scoresheet. As it was, he left a favourable impression with me. Good skater, great puck control and effective use of size to shield the puck, got into lanes (defensively) and goes to the net offensively were some of the things that jumped out at me. IMO, his best asset last night was his anticipation. On three or four occasions he changed angles or positions in anticipation of where the puck was going and subsequently made a play. I’m not suggesting he is a visionary, but that’s very encouraging for a first year player who is 18 years old.

    In any event time for breakfast. Two hungry monsters await….

    Have a great day everyone! Cheers, CJ

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning CJ. I love hearing more optimistic viewpoints on McCarron. We certainly heard our share of angst since this young man was drafted.


      • Paz says:

        McCarron looked much better. But lets keep some perspective. 1st round draft picks dominate major junior when they return after their draft, and McCarron is behind that pace.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Understood and in fairness I’ve not seen the young man play. My post was the more pleasant opinions of his game as of late. Of course being 6’2″ causes most of us to root extra hard for him.

          BTW – Are you who I think you are?

        • CJ says:

          That’s true, but in fairness this is McCarron’s first season in the CHL and on a loaded team who is pushing for a memorial cup. We should see a major step forward next year as PP opportunities and ice time increase.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        good morning there Jim

        Not to worry….

        From Hockey’s Future:
        ” 2nd round, (50th overall), 6’2 204 lbs.

        The team turned a few heads when they drafted the bruising power forward in the second round. At 6’2 204 lbs, he has the size to play an aggressive, physical game, and he uses that to his advantage.

        Like many young players, he will need to continue working on his skating, particularly his speed, which is one of the weakest areas for the 18-year-old….could turn into an effective checking line player for the team.”

        July 2006: Milan Lucic.

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