Habs sign White for one year; Big Mac lands in London

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The Canadiens keep some toughness with the one-year contract signing of restricted free-agent forward Ryan White.
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The Canadiens on Saturday signed restricted free-agent Ryan White to a one-year, $700,000 contract, thus avoiding salary arbitration.

On Friday, hungry for action and breakfast, the Habs’ Mike McCarron was introduced to the London, Ont., media, the town where he’ll suit up this fall for the OHL’s London Knights.

More here in the report by Morris Dalla Costa of the London Free Press.

3,515 Comments

  1. BJ says:

    White owes HIO at least a dozen goals based on the high level profile he received here.

  2. HabFab says:

    8 DAYS 6 HOURS 59 MINUTES
    3510 POSTS
    RIP

  3. ClutchNGrab says:

    NEW THREAD!!!!

  4. Sportfan says:

    Delgado was a great player one of my favorite Blue Jays, but between him and Vladdy, it will always be Vlad!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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    • Strummer says:

      Vlad was a multi-tool player- he could do it all.
      Delgado though one of the great hitters of his time was a first baseman, so i would give the nod to the former over the latter.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  5. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    From “Old Jews Telling Jokes”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU9O6QBcXeA

    The drive for 4,000 is ON!

  6. AndyF says:

    Wait a minute — they signed Ryan White again? And what the heck’s the deal with sending Big Mac to the Knights every single day?!! They’ll tire the poor kid out from travel.

    • Strummer says:

      Hockey Inside/Out based on the movie “Groundhog Day”

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  7. Strummer says:

    Phil Mickelson- Whoa baby!!!

    He’s a lefty- can Bergevin sign HIM?
    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  8. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Habfab, not the first post of yours that I’ve liked. I’ll repeat my thought from yesterday. It does seem to me that 76=42….

    PK appears to be bearing it well.

    Go Habs Go!

    24 cups and counting….

  9. The Slacker says:

    Remember when Whitey scored on Anderson because Karlsson gave the puck away? Game 2 I believe. (or was it game 3?).

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I do indeed. Wasn’t he laughing going back to the bench?! One of very few great moments in our brief playoff sojourn.

      If you’re a Whitey watcher, can you remember who it was he refused to fight when he was just back from a bit of dog house rehab? Late season game, possibly the Rangers, and he just laughed at the other guy. But who?

    • habs1992 says:

      My friend it was game 2, It was a home game.

      I support Carey Price
      “Habs Insider”

  10. HabFab says:

    Notice the conversation lately about the lack of respect or “hate” that some feel PK gets. Not sure if you have ever heard Kevin Weeks theory on that subject.
    His theory is that although there have been a few “black” hockey stars in the NHL, PK has the potential to become the first “black” hockey superstar therefore magnifying any racial issues.
    Of course PK’s giant persona doesn’t help.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Hull, Howe, Gretzky, Orr, PK, and all the very dangerous players that lifted fans out of their seats, every time they skated with the puck, fans booed them in every rink!!

      It is actually a sign of how great they are and how much they are feared when they are on the ice. The great players are BOOED because they have the super ability of hurting the opposition on the score board.

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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks, HabFab. I just don’t buy it, but maybe I’m in denial. Have you a link to Kevin Weeks saying that?

      As I pontificate below, I don’t actually believe there is a hate: manufacturing one just helps sell newspapers and airtime.

      • HabFab says:

        Calling me a liar? :)
        No, I don’t have a link. It was about a year ago at least.

        EDIT; the last sentence in my post is my comment not Weeks.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          No never!
          Just wanted to check out his argument. Weeks is good, all right, but at the same time he is Toronto-based media…

          • HabFab says:

            And black plus has always been a huge supporter of PK’s.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            True, but I keep taking the grains of salt! Whatever colour he is, he’s still a journalist earning his salary.

            Ian’s right of course. Stars get booed. And bigger, louder stars get bigger, louder boos. If skin-colour comes into it it’s because of two factors, one small, one big: 1) big: media raising the question; 2) small: minority of red-neck fans and posters etc.

            But I repeat, maybe I’m just in denial.

          • Strummer says:

            Week’s is no journalist.
            He’s barely qualified to be a commentator/analyst.
            Ex-jock CBC talking head

            ______________________________________________________
            “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • habstrinifan says:

        Dont know Weekes said as quoted above. But there was a full length article, maybe National Post, on P.K. being the first ‘black superstar’ and the reaction.

        The author differentiated between players like Iginla and maybe Kane etc who were ‘bi racial.. light skinned like say Grant Fuhr.. and P.K Subban who is as one would say ‘pure laine’ black.

        The emphasis was on the ‘black’ rather than on the ‘first’. I am sure if you google using terms ‘black’ ‘P.K’ ‘superstar’ you will be directe to the article. I am not disputing that Weekes said something similar, but I dont think he wa sthe author of the article I am referencing.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Thanks Trini. I just tried “subban superstar black”, yielding quite a selection. Just looked at two: a good piece by jack Todd; and a “Subban sucks forum” where, in fact, most of the posters actually admire PK.

          The problem, as I see it, is encapsulated in these lines from what is in fact a good piece by Todd:

          “That loathing (which, going by my Twitter feed, is shared by Hab haters from Boston to Burnaby) comes with the territory when you’re an effervescent, personable, 23-year-old en route to becoming the first black superstar in the NHL.”

          What loathing? Prove it! Don’t just resort to lazy journalistic exaggeration (embelishment, some might say!). Todd jumbles factors connected to stardom, to playing for a team that traditionally divides non-home followers (same as the Yankees, Manchester United), and then — unnecessarily in my opinion, race.

          Not convinced there’s hatred. Just something the media has generated.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      How does Jarome Iginla fit into this? My guess would be that he was a fierce, tough but fair competitor, so he was respected-admired throughout the league. I’m loathe to second-guess Kevin Weekes though, he’s a smart guy and has some insights on this issue.

      I think P.K. might have had a tough time in minor hockey, being singled out for abuse, and his natural instinct, being so loquacious, might have been to chirp back, to give as good as he got. From there he may have gotten the idea that he needed to be an instigator, a player other teams had to hate, and try to get into the opposition’s head, blah blah blah. Which may work for a Steve Ott or Sean Avery, but is beneath P.K.’s considerable talent. And, beneath Brad Marchand’s as well, but that dude is a lost cause by now.

      Thankfully, P.K. cleaned up his act last season, there was a lot less trash-talking, slew-footing or diving and mugging for the referees. He played hard, and kept the distractions to a minimum. It will take a couple of seasons for his reputation to catch up to him though I guess, as demonstrated in a game late last season when he lined up across from Dion Phaneuf for a faceoff, and the latter started blatantly cross-checking him before puck drop, with no response from P.K., yet the refs sent both players off. It’s not unheard of for NHL referees to blow a call, but on this one they probably went according to past practice, the operational guideline, whereby P.K. is never innocent, he must have done something to set this off, even if you were looking right at him and didn’t see it.

      Ideally, P.K. continues his progress and patterns his game after Chris Chelios, an incredibly tough competitor who played hard at both ends of the ice, is a bit of a porcupine when you rub up against him, but realizes that he should do his damage on the ice rather than the penalty box. With a Norris Trophy in his back pocket, I’d expect his teammates to rush to his defence too, when an opponent is trying to start something with him. In the past, our Canadiens might have been tempted to let him finish what he started, with the exception of Hal Gill who would amoeba anyone trying to fight P.K., or Josh Gorges who stepped up numerous time to intervene. In the future, I want all Canadiens, Brandon Prust and George Parros at the forefront, to make it very clear that attacks on P.K. will not be tolerated.

  11. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT NEWS

    Right now I am doing a little battle with the Bell Center in securing our group tickets, without having to sell pre season tickets for them.
    Over 25 group tickets their new policy wants me to sell 1 pre season game ticket for every Summit ticket over 25. E-mail negotiations do not work for me well. I will be on the phone heavy Monday morning. Where is the HIO executive boys when I need them.? I have a few markers still out there I can call into play, yet.

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  12. HabFab says:

    Elliotte Friedman – Hearing Team Canada will announce its preliminary Olympic roster tomorrow — those will be the invitees to the summer Orientation Camp.

  13. Un Canadien errant says:

    About Sportsnet’s Canadian Olympic Team list being awful, and they generally being horrible, I wholeheartedly agree. I’m on the record that they are. That P.K. Subban should be on that team is a no-brainer. Especially after years of watching Dion Phaneuf and John-Michael Liles, how could they not see the comparative leap in talent.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/05/sportsnet-is-horrible-again.html.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/05/nick-kypreos-is-trying-to-drag-hockey.html

    And I regularly find myself pointing out how bad Nick Kypreos is. I resent the fact that a ‘player’ whose only achievement was taking out Grant Fuhr in a playoff, crashing into him and blowing out his ACL, effectively ending his career, is given a microphone and asked to opine on the game. That meathead only causes me to want to change the channel when he appears.

    On P.K. Subban though, I don’t think they’re biased against him, since they actually employ our boy as a studio personality. I’ve seen Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos and P.K. kibitzing during the lockout, they actually seem to get along.

    At the start of the season there was some analysis that Team Canada might have too many righties on the blue line, and questions whether they’d take the best d-men and shift the extra righties to the left side, or go with a balanced lineup, three lefties, three righties, match them up, and then throw in a spare. P.K. was seen as a guy on the cusp, who’d have to play lights out to be included. Well, he did. So why the hesitation? Do they know something we don’t know?

    One point which we may be forgetting is how Steve Yzerman grudgingly, only at the last minute added P.K. to the World Championship roster in May. We remember how the blue line on that team was less than impressive, and once the Canadiens were eliminated in five games we felt that P.K. was a lock. Instead, Steve Yzerman tacked on Dan Hamhuis, harrumphed that he was satisfied with the lineup, and would only add to it if there were injuries. To which we all went: “Huh?”

    Within hours of that announcement, there was a change of heart, P.K. flew to Sweden, and I wondered whether Lindy Ruff told Mr. Yzerman to stop messing around and get him P.K. on his blue line, being exposed to what the kid can do while coaching the Sabres.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/05/world-hockey-championships.html

    So P.K. still has his work cut out for him, he won the Norris but there are still some doubters and equivocators out there. I think he’s a lock, but just to make extra sure, he’ll need to come to camp in great shape, as he usually does, and be routinely excellent early in the season. More importantly, he’ll need to play disciplined hockey, and to keep his nose extra clean off-ice, with no controversies to give ammo to the naysayers. Because that’s the only way they’d try to justify his exclusion from the team: nebulous team dynamics issues and veteranship and chemistry concerns. That and the ‘there are too many right-handed d-men, we could only fit Weber, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang, and Pietrangelo’ excuse.

    So P.K., fresh off a Norris Trophy season, and racking up all those points in a season when he missed training camp and few games to start, still needs to add to his résumé to merit a spot on the Olympic Team. Strange but true.

    Think of it as having North and South America locked up at Risk, and you’re protected on the three landing pads of Kamchatka, Iceland and North Africa. You’ve got thirty armies on each, and seem unassailable, but when your term comes you pile up the new armies you get on those three fronts, because you’re also a tempting target and you know someone will inevitably take a shot.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Embarrassed to say I have never played Risk! Incredible, isn’t it? So that analogy is lost on me.

      However, the rest of the post makes perfect sense. Sad, isn’t it, how a brilliant star on the ice, like Yzerman, does not automatically convert that stardom into other areas. Some of Bob Gainey’s calls broke my heart.

      (Did you ever look up Gladwell on concussion? Want the link again?)

    • habstrinifan says:

      I knew the Yzerman hesitation would come up.. I wanted to see if I could avoid being the one. Good point I think.

      However I see you did NOT address the perception of P.K in D-MEN ranking on his own team.

      Once you do and if you do not recall one galring situation I will revisit… although I expect the denials to come fast and furious.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Amazing how hard they work, how focused they already are at 18. Mornings in the gym, evenings on the ice, I guess nobody plays baseball any more.

      It makes me wonder, and I’ve asked before, all these goalies out there who aren’t good with the catching glove, who wave at the puck or bat it down but can’t squeeze it, I wonder if that’s because these guys don’t play baseball all summer like we used to.

      And don’t get me started about kids who can’t throw. I get that not everyone played catch growing up or organized ball, but don’t they throw snowballs at cars and pedestrians, or rocks at windows anymore? Is nothing sacred?

  14. Rugger says:

    Time for some guesses, when will the next post appear? My guess is Monday July 22nd 8:27am Eastern time. (one of them must be back in the office tomorrow!)

  15. Timo says:

    Has anyone heard from Front lately? I am a little worried.

    • HabFab says:

      He was here yesterday. Talking about the little blue pills and a buddy of his who goes like the Energizer Bunny… hope he consults his doctor first :)

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    Stu Cowan has been on vacation for a couple weeks and Dave Stubbs has been to Ontario to a funeral. Hickey’s car still has 4 flat tires, still sitting in the Philly Flyers parking lot .

    White on the other hand has been holding down the fort here at home and has had more press ink than PK and the Rocket!
    They will all be at our HIO Fan Summit though.! Weekend of Oct. the 26th in Mtl.

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  17. Cal says:

    Somewhere on a lake in the Eastern Townships, MB is lying back on his raft, catching the rays of a hot July sun. As he floats aimlessly about, his iphone screen is flickering and tinkling with ignored updates. The sun slowly moves across the sky, mirroring the raft’s turtle-like pace.
    Hours later, MB has reached a state of euphoria, having gleaned what ails his Habs from the nether regions of his mind. His eyes snap open and he reaches for the phone. Halfway there, his resolve crumbles and his hand lands back on his lap. “What the hell am I thinking? I’m retired. If those nuts on HIO want something new, they can bloody well make it up! ”

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  18. JUST - MO says:

    It’s all down to money now. Nothing more is gonna happen before training camp.

  19. Ian Cobb says:

    Good Morning boys and girls!
    Summit information, please pay attention!
    This Summit is turning out to be a bit of a headache for me to organize this year.

    1st.. I do not have everyone’s address written down, just your names and how many tickets that I sent you in your self addressed, stamped envelopes for last years Summit.

    2nd.. The Bell Center informs me that there is a slight increase for this years tickets. I will cover the difference.

    3rd.. The Bell Center tells me that they have to send to me the new tickets, and that I must send them again to all of you.
    4th.. Sorry! but this is what everyone must do, for me to get you your replacement game tickets.!
    You must return last years tickets to me, along with a… Self Addressed and “Canadian or American” Stamped Envelope. (Check with your local post office for how much postage you need to put on the self addressed envelope to be mailed to you from Canada. GET IT RIGHT!! .
    Large enough for me to send you back your replacement tickets in.

    5th.. For all others that need this years HIO Fan Summit game tickets. that includes, Hall of Fame tickets and a Raffle ticket for Sat. Oct. 26th. You will also have to send me a money order along with a self addressed stamped envelope. Once I find out this years exact price from the Bell Center. Please stay tuned for update information.

    Ian Cobb
    My address is 63 Village Dr., Belleville Ontario. Canada. K8P 4K2

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    • Chuck says:

      Hey Ian, no need for you to cover the cost difference of my tickets; I’ll take care of it.

      __________________________________________________
      Anyone but the Sens! (Check.) And Boston (Triple check.) Oh, and the Laffs, too. (Double check.)

      • Ian Cobb says:

        We will worry about that later Chuck.
        Right now I am doing a little battle with the Bell Center in securing our group tickets, without having to sell pre season tickets for them. Over 25 group tickets the want me to sell 1 pre season for every Summit ticket over 25. I have a few markers still out there I can call in yet.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Same here Ian re cost difference… NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY!

      I will take care of mine. Thank you again for your hard work.

      Please post the difference when you know it and I am sure everyone will follow suit in remitting the amount to you.

      I haven’t used the word remitting in a long time.. should tell you I am ready to set the ledger straight.

  20. The Dude says:

    “Stand your ground ” and “A good guy with a gun” are Gun Lobbyist politics .All I know is a Gun does not make up for a lil dick or a tinnier brain but they do show you who the Pussy’s are!

  21. Hobie Hansen says:

    So Tiger Woods yelled goddammit after a shot yesterday and it was heard loud and clear on TV. He does it again today but this time with an F-Bomb to end it off lol.

    He knows the microphone is on, you don’t hear other guys swearing, so Woods should class up a bit and watch his language when there’s millions of kids watching.

    • boing007 says:

      Most children have already heard these words spoken before they finish grammar school. Usually from other children whose parents use these words. Or their older brothers and sisters. Or, or …

      Richard R

      • halifaxhab says:

        Most children would rather watch paint dry than watch golf.

        I love Barry Manilow .

        -Scotty Bowman

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Yup, but the world is a big place where lots of young children play golf. So chances are, there’s a lot of young people from the age of 10-16 watching.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          “Most children would rather watch paint dry than watch golf.”

          Some posters here may remember when Bugs Bunny was on Saturdays at 5 and Walt Disney was on Sundays at 6. My hostility to golf dates back to those occasions when a televised tournament would run over into either of those two sacrosanct rituals!

    • The Dude says:

      Ya …like in Hockey.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      YA I know, I swear every five minutes myself so I’m not offended or anything. I like Woods but It just makes him look unprofessional for some reason though. Throwing little temper tantrums in front of the camera.

      Golfers should be cool, calm and respectful. The British Open is a classy tournament!

    • boing007 says:

      The !*&?%$#@))!!! heard ’round the world.

      Richard R

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Apparently when he did his comeback and was trying to rehabilitate his image he cut down on the swearing and the surliness, but when results were less than hoped for, he ditched the attempt at a new image and went back to his old ways of letting fly.

    • B says:

      Toews dropped an F-bomb on TV after winning his first cup. No children were harmed, but many giggled.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  22. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    It’s a beautiful day in Chibougamau. (Just to keep the thread going…)

  23. JohnBellyful says:

    “I’m tellin’ ya, Mr. Ripley, it’s true: 3,440 posts and counting for a fourth-line winger who signed a one-year contract with the Montreal Canadiens. Ryan White. R-Y-A-N W-H-I-T-E.
    No, no, it’s true. Fourth line guy. Three goals, eight assists in 89 regular season games in the NHL. And 182 PIMs. Sorry, penalties in minutes.
    Whatta you mean, you don’t believe it!? Check it out yourself: http://www.hockeyinsideout.com.
    Yeah, Hockey Inside/Out. Oh, you’ve heard of us.
    Yeah.
    Yeah, that’s right.
    We might have.
    Sure, that one time we did.
    Oh, I forgot about that.
    Hey, there’s no need to laugh!
    Okay, okay, so we’re passionate about hockey, what can I say?
    What’s that? We are strange AND unusual but not Ripley strange or unusual?
    What if I said there’s a HIO contributor who’s willing to tattoo his entire body with Canadiens emblems — that’s right, his ENTIRE BODY! — change his name to Bleu-Blanc-et-Rouge, and donate a kidney in exchange for season tickets? You’d consider it?
    Okay, I’ll get back to you tomorrow.”

    Anyone got Timo’s email address?

  24. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Trin

    I’m going to ask you a question.
    In the playoffs, it’s rather obvious that during the penalty kill, a team needs its strong tough Dmen to move people away combined with the ability to win puck battles – along with some offensive smarts when they find the puck on their stick.

    During the playoffs PK played an average of 23:56 which was below several other Dmen and he had a lot of gas in the tank.

    The question:
    You have all the Habs DMen to choose from for either 1st Unit or 2nd Unit Penalty kill.
    Who do you choose?

    Here is what MT chose based on total penalty kill minutes played in the Ottawa series:

    1) Diaz
    2) Gorges
    3) Tinordi
    4) Bouillon
    5) Markov
    6) Subban

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20133MTLDADALL&sort=shortHandedTimeOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce

    I don’t know about you, but I see something awfully wrong with those choices ahead of Subban

    By the way, we had the 12th ranked Penalty kill out of 16 teams at 76% during the playoffs

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20133ALLSAAAll&sort=penaltyKillPercentage&viewName=penaltyKill

    MT did many good things this year, but he blew the choices of Dmen on the PKill

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi Ron and Trini (who I’m editing in below — big face-slap and ‘DOH’!)

      Is the flip side of your PK-so-little-on-PK question, M-R, why DD so much on PP?

      Does MT need some grad school modules on special teams?!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That is the weakness on the Canadiens, the defence.

      The three guys I’d start with on the penalty kill, or in the last minute when the other team has the goalie pulled, are Subban, Gorges and Tinordi.

      Markov is slow, Diaz is tiny and even though Bouillon has heart and grit, he’s also small. And when I say they’re small, I mean their reach and their ability to get their sticks in the lanes on the PK. Being able to knock guys off the puck is also an issue with the above three.

      The Habs need one more big, strong, defence first, defenceman.

      As we all know. ;-)

  25. habstrinifan says:

    Another weird piece of reading. Weird as in WTF.. is there no simple decency and recognition of plain right and wrong in the world.

    Well at least there is trivia relief. Check out te Janet Jackson part. How come I never knew that.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/20/world/meast/uae-norway-rape-controversy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

  26. HammerHab says:

    rollin rollin rollin, keep this thread a-goin

    c’mon 4000!

    ———————————–

    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  27. HabFab says:

    2013-14 HABS

    Francis Bouillon – 197 lbs – FA
    Rene Bourque – 213 – FA
    Daniel Brière – 179 – 1st round
    Peter Budaj – 195 – 2nd
    David Desharnais – 177 – FA
    Raphael Diaz – 197 – FA
    Davis Drewiske – 220 – FA
    Lars Eller – 209 – 1st
    Alexei Emelin – 219 – 3rd
    Alex Galchenyuk – 196 – 1st
    Brendan Gallagher – 178 – 5th
    Brian Gionta – 174 – 3rd
    Josh Gorges – 203 – FA
    Andrei Markov – 204 – 6th
    Travis Moen – 218 – 5th
    Max Pacioretty – 219 – 1st
    George Parros – 228 – 8th
    Tomas Plekanec – 196 – 3rd
    Carey Price – 209 – 1st
    Brandon Prust – 195 – 3rd
    P.K. Subban – 216 – 2nd
    Jarred Tinordi – 218 – 1st
    Ryan White – 194 – 3rd

  28. habstrinifan says:

    Here is an amazing article, which appears as a link on the right hand side of this site’s advertisement.

    If and as you read it think of how it applies to everything you contribute your ‘expertise’ to. It’s heavy reading in some parts but is worth it. Or then again I may be bringing the bias of the ‘curse of my expertise’ to that evaluation.

    http://business.financialpost.com/2013/07/10/beware-the-curse-of-expertise/

  29. 24 Cups says:

    What a great leaderboard! ABTW is fine by me.

    http://scores.theopen.com/en/Leaderboard.aspx

  30. 24 Cups says:

    Nine days and counting.

  31. habstrinifan says:

    Two comments re the fuss over P.K.’s inclusion or exclusion in the forecasted list of D-men for Sochi.

    A: Isnt it too early to get riled up. The 2013-2014 season performane will determine the selections.. so both P.K and Price will have to earn their selection.

    B: The comments all tend to worry about the TSN or Sportsnet folks disrespecting ornot fully recognizing P.K’s overall effectiveness/ability.
    Well people, most of the other prospects are treated and played as the #1 Dman on their team. Check the way MT played P.K people… even MT did not treat P.K as his #1 D-Man. So if the people question P.K ..it may stem from the fact that P.K’s coach questions P.K.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Trin, the guy won the freakin Norris trophy. Leaving him off ANY list is an indication of bias. It is what it is.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Locks – Weber (R), Keith (L)

      Young Studs – Doughty (R), Subban (R), Pietrangelo (R)

      Decision Time – Seabrook (R), Letang (R)

      Long Shots – Bouwmeester (L), Hamhuis (L), Beauchemin (L)

      Does this team really need the right shooting Letang when you consider the offence some of the other right side Dmen can bring?

      (I’m sure I’ve missed somebody)

  32. Maritime Ron says:

    Re: 2014 Canada Olympic Hockey Team – Defensemen

    It’s pretty much a given that Olympic Gold 2010 vets Duncan Keith, Shea Weber and Drew Doughy are locks, with another Gold vet Brent Seabrook as close to a lock as can be.

    A few days ago, the nitwits at Sportsnet chose what they felt would be Canada’s 7 Dmen.

    Dear Sportsnet – You made yourself look absolutely ridiculous…again!

    Seven out of the 10 Sportsnet people… did NOT have present Norris Trophy winner PK. Subban as 1 of its choices for Team Canada’s 7 Dmen.

    One of the bozos that did not choose PK, had Jay Bouwmeester as part of his 7 best.
    Another bozo chose Mike Green and ignored PK.
    And another bozo chose Tyler Myers and left PK off the list.

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hockey-central-team-canada-sochi-olympic-rosters/
    ————-
    TSN came out with their list today, and at least they make sense where the bottom 2 choices could flip…and PK is part of the Top 4.

    ” The defence is anchored by a trio of returnees who have all been nominated for or won the Norris Trophy since the Vancouver games: Duncan Keith, Drew Doughty and Shea Weber.

    All three were under the radar a year prior to the selection of the Vancouver team and they’re joined by another Norris winner in Montreal blueliner P.K. Subban.”

    Seabrook is listed at 5, followed by Letang, Dan Girardi, Alex Pietrangelo.

    There could be some movement of the bottom 2-3 with guys like Francois Beauchemin, Dan Hamhuis, Mark Staal….

  33. HabFab says:

    8 DAYS 1 HOUR 29 MINUTES

  34. rhino514 says:

    Two questions:

    How can you possibly have a tournament to decide the world´s best hockey nation, including 10 or 12 countries, which only lasts NINE DAYS? Doesn´t it make it rather meaningless?

    And how did the countries involved qualify? Did they have amateurs, or third string players playing during the past three years during the qualification process, now to be replaced by nhl players?

    It´s sad, when one looks at soccer, the national teams take precedence over home leagues and the intra-country games are really ba fight fpr the world´s/continent´s best nations. The situation in hockey now is a sham.

  35. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good morning to all. Been away for a while. Skimmed the White thread (which began before I left!) — wide variety of hockey and non-hockey topics, discussed with the usual intelligence and discernment.

    Fransakois — happy travels! If they bring you back to Europe’s western margin, and a little south-west of where you started, I have pints of stout waiting.

    Mavid — so sorry about your cottage.

    Haborama — wow! You have a knack for provoking denigration from HIO’s most even-tempered posters!

    1992 — way to stick to your guns, man! Not sure if you’ve actually delivered anything yet, but it’s fun waiting!

    UCE — cool that you got linked on concussion. Interesting that the other guy never mentions the darker theory that I subscribe to, that Bettman and the League actually think concussions etc are good for profile and profits, rendering the existence of anything of the league’s labelled “Player Safety” as an example of Orwellian double-speak. No change on concussion until there are some major law-suits.

    Maritime Ron: unbelievable Mediterranean weather here — just does not feel like Ireland! We had a scorching beach vacation without going away! Hope you’re getting a good ration of summer sunsets.

    Ian: fair play on the Summit! Green with envy, working on a plan for 2014.

    Burly, 10912, Fab, HiS, Ed, Timo, Trini, Luke, Larue, habsfan0, mattyleg, Jackal, Psycho, and lots of others: so many funny texts during such a long hockey-information drought!

    Frontenac: did I see that your wife is Irish?! What part and name, please! Must determine whether or not we’re related!

    Anyone I regularly interact with not mentioned here — cheers to you all. This is a flying post, no method or caution!

    AND NOW TO OPEN A BOOK. WHICH COMES FIRST? PLEASE CHOOSE:

    1) the White thread hits 5000 posts

    2) the White signing appears in “You Might Also Like”

    • Psycho29 says:

      Good Day Mike,
      Welcome back! Actually I think we will still be on this thread in August AND the White signing will appear in the “You Might Also Like” feature.

      Where about in Ireland are you? My Dad was born in Belfast, grew up on Springfield Road. Got to visit there in the mid-90s with my Dad and brother. Stayed in Bangor and did the drive up to Giant’s Causeway. Amazing place…

      • habstrinifan says:

        Welcome back to the madhouse Mike.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Does your Dad still have his northern accent?! Maybe he gave it to you!
        (As in ‘brine kye’ instead of brown cow).

        In the mid-90s there would still have been a very strong military presence: at the borders, no-man’s land, street patrols etc. It’s very different now (though still far from perfect — but where is?) while remaining very complex. I wasn’t up there much until a cousin of mine got his first job there and I used to go up for visits and to watch him play hockey for the Craigavon Flames!

        Dunboyne is just outside Dublin in the commuter belt, 20 minutes from the airport, cross-roads village with four pubs…. Hope you get back soon! Pints await!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Good morning Mike. You were missed. Did you really read all 3400+ post? That’s dedication. Hey, did you hear that White signed? :)

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good to see you back Ireland Mike. Great to see you had some nice time off and didn’t need a July Ireland coast sweater

  36. Marc10 says:

    What a thread for Ryan White! Another week of non-hockey news and he’ll set records never to be broken. Go Whitey!

  37. The Jackal says:

    This is the fridge-emptying brewski.

    (CH)eers HIO!

    Is 1992 on to something when he says we will make a big move, or is he higher than a giraffe’s cloaca?

    I, for one, think that a “big” move would most likely involve a player at forward and a prospect/pick or 2, in exchange for something we lack – a big player with skill. That could be the HIO influence, but it makes sense when you think about it. After reading about MB’s desire to move up, what he was willing to give, and the kind of players he is interested in, it would not surprise me to see him make a move for that, provided that the price is right – in other words, we are not giving up to much (which is what free agency signings can do.

    Stay on the airwaves Habs fans, the team may yet change before puck drop.

    Over and out.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  38. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …well, time for UCe (call Me Norm) and I to go to sleep here on the wrong edge of Canada

    …It’s up to Y’all in China, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Australia, those with insomnia or working the grave-yard shift to pass the baton

    …ONLY 5,591 to go before 10,000 ! …don’t mess up !!!

    PS: …’Norm’ and I …sleep in separate beds …so NO rumor-mongering ! :(

    night Y’all

  39. Habitoba says:

    I hope this is going to be a good year for White. I met him a couple times at the park and he says he loves playing for the Habs and wouldn’t want to play for anybody else.
    He must know that there’s some ample depth that could bump him from a regular spot (Dumont, Moen and Parros). He’s going to need to play like his hair is on fire to cement himself in there. Kind of hope all four have that drive.

  40. The Teacher says:

    Haha glen metropolitan lol

  41. The Teacher says:

    Or 4×4 then 3×3 then a tie. This option is my
    Personal fave.

    Invent a machine that can scrape less and apply a minimal amount of water at a high speed to do before the overtime 10 minutes and everything is good.

    Don’t tell me technology can’t solve the “Ice” problems. Zzz zzz

  42. The Teacher says:

    New issue. Personal pet peeve as well.

    Can we PLEASE get ride of those god forsaken shoot outs already?????

    Four on four then a tie is FINE. There ain’t always a winner in life either bettbum

  43. The Teacher says:

    As for the division names, there was never any issue at all with the goddamn names from before. Go back to them or name them after new great players of the past (Beliveau has a nice ring to it).

    The metropolitan after initial disgust is turning out to be a better name for me than I thought. At least it makes sorta sense with the majority of the teams in a major northeastern metropolitan area.

  44. The Teacher says:

    3400 yay

  45. The Teacher says:

    Why not add one for the 4k. Hope everyone is enjoying the summer.

  46. Say Ash says:

    I swear that zit on White’s forehead is growing.

  47. Lil Snapper says:

    Keee Ryysssttttt get a new thread!!!!!

  48. Haborama says:

    my goodness you could hear a pin drop around here…….

    I’ve never seen it like this….

    Hello? (hello)

    Echo? (echo)

  49. Haborama says:

    @Thebonnscott

    Welcome back mon ami, I enjoy your posts a lot.

    Sometimes I want to break into MB’s office and spray-paint “get bigger, get tougher, get even” on every flat surface.

  50. JF says:

    Anyone else watch the Alouettes collapse after taking a 24-0 lead in the first quarter? Final score 38-27 Calgary. The Als are starting to remind me of last year’s Habs. They may beat Edmonton next week, but after that… Has a CFL team ever gone 2-16 on a season?

    • slapshot777 says:

      This going to be a long season. I don’t know why Jim Popp hired Miller as OC. Should have let AC run the offense. Knows the CFL inside and out and knows his team better than anyone especially the offense. This Miller guy seems to have this my way or the highway mentality and the offense that the Als have are not built for that system.

      Instead of adapting to AC or let hi have more input Miller seems steadfast in his system and in the end it won’t work and he will be looking for a new job next season or this season if it keeps up. AC will retire with a bitter taste in his mouth. Next season will be more of the same, trying to adapt a new offense only this time with a rookie QB instead of a veteran. Going to be a long 4 or 5 years I am afraid. Unless Jim Popp can find a QB. What he got now as a backup is just not going to cut it.

      Should have kept Quinton Porter or McPherson for another year. Now the QB is of major priority after this season.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …You beat Me to it JF …this will be a tough way to go out if this may be Calvillo’s last season

      …Hawkins looks like he is lost,

      …lots of talent on the team, but the coaching dysfunctional

  51. TheChangeling says:

    Ego aside, Mario Tremblay wasn’t that bad of a coach… uhhh well that’s all I have to add…

  52. Steven says:

    Just to weigh in on this, Metropolitan is probably the stupidest division name I’ve ever heard. It COULD work if the other divisions had some similar names(not that I could provide a worthwhile example), but when the other 3 divisions are named geographically and this one’s named after a quality, it really doesn’t fit in.

    To me, it seemed like they couldn’t figure out a name that makes any remarkable amount of sense for the somewhat strange grouping of teams and went with Metropolitan hoping no one would care. Even our Atlantic division doesn’t make a perfect amount of sense, but whatever, most of the teams are on the Atlantic Coast or near it.

  53. The Jackal says:

    Wow. That was a lot of drinking. Had a stay in drink purgatory from waking up and hair of the dogging it til now, just woke up from a “nap” and ate some food. Am I in reality? Why is there so much beer in my fridge? I will make like Front and start to empty it.

    CHeers HIO!

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  54. Ian Cobb says:

    Summit information, please pay attention!

    This Summit is turning out to be a bit of a headache for me to organize this year.

    1st.. I do not have everyone’s address written down, just your names and how many tickets that I sent you in your self addressed, stamped envelopes for last years Summit.

    2nd.. The Bell Center informs me that there is a slight increase for this years tickets. I will cover the difference.

    3rd.. The Bell Center tells me that they have to send to me the new tickets, and that I must send them again to all of you.
    4th.. Sorry! but this is what everyone must do, for me to get you your replacement game tickets.!
    You must return last years tickets to me, along with a… Self Addressed and “Canadian or American” Stamped Envelope. (Check with your local post office for how much postage you need to put on the self addressed envelope to be mailed to you from Canada. GET IT RIGHT!! .
    Large enough for me to send you back your replacement tickets in.

    5th.. For all others that need this years HIO Fan Summit game tickets. that includes, Hall of Fame tickets and a Raffle ticket for Sat. Oct. 26th. You will also have to send me a money order along with a self addressed stamped envelope. Once I find out this years exact price from the Bell Center.
    Please stay tuned for update information.

    Ian Cobb
    My address is 63 Village Dr., Belleville Ontario. Canada. K8P 4K2

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

  55. JUST - MO says:

    Habs is one player tougher. Everything else is the same. we will have to wait and see what the other 14 Eastern Conference teams bring.

  56. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …would have been nice if Stu Cowan had put up a ‘Gone Fishing’ sign though

  57. thebonscott says:

    my first post on this thread, have been on vacation, let’s keep her going.

    GET BIGGER, GET TOUGHER, GET EVEN.

  58. Un Canadien errant says:

    The CBC doesn’t have any answers or bright ideas either.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/07/20/spf-nhl-division-names-vote.html

    ———————————————————————–
    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Maritime Ron says:

      @ Un Canadien errant

      Although we have never met, and although I am on my ELC concerning HIO, here’s a call-out and a Congrats to you for having your blog cited 2 days ago by By Greg Wyshynski/Puck Daddy from Yahoo Sports concerning the topic/Headline:

      ” NHL concussion epidemic: Getting better or remaining a crisis for player safety?”
      ————————

      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-concussion-epidemic-getting-better-remaining-crisis-player-142425226.html

      “…For more on that, I’d recommend you read Normand Harvey today on Bettman: “He’s incapable of seeing that the game is much less than it could be, since he has no feel for it, no experience, he didn’t grown up with it, watching it or playing it. He thinks because the ratings are rising that things must be okay.”
      ——————–

      Perhaps one item you omitted was the responsibility of the NHLPA in all of this and their refusal to sign off on the rule 48 concerning headshot suspensions being greater than +5 games unless it was towards repeat offenders and grave incidents.

      As discussed in this thread now closing on 4000 comments, a poster suggested that NHLPA guru, and thick skinned Donald Fehr had a wonderful opportunity to be the ‘bad man’ and negotiate issues that would have made NHL hockey more safe – if he was given that direction by what could be considered a very weak and near retirement/peripheral NHL player negotiating Executive Committee that appeared more concerned about other issues such as retirement benefits….

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Thanks Ron, I appreciate it. I don’t know if you saw my comments a few pages back, but I have no idea how he came across my work, my blog is not optimized or monetized and doesn’t routinely come up on Google, and I’ve never met the guy or talked to him, I don’t even think I’ve ever commented on his pages, that I can remember. Anyway, it was pretty cool, although I was getting so many hits that first day, I was afraid Blogger would force me to start paying for hosting.

        As for the NHLPA, I’m stumped too. They have to follow the wishes of their members, and the players seem to want to retain fighting and not have long suspensions, so the leadership follows suit.

        I’ve talked about this before, how a union has a duty to represent its members to the full extent of its powers, even if the member in question is a bit of a doofus and deserves the discipline meted out by management. There is lots of case law that finds against a union and for a former member if the latter wasn’t allowed to exhaust all avenues of tribunals and appeals, etc. Maybe that’s what’s handcuffing the PA. If I was in charge though, I’d try to convince the membership that it’s not about the suspensions, that’s not what they should focus on, but rather on a safer workplace for all members to work in, and to ensure a fruitful, healthy retirement for all.

  59. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Pray to hockey Gods that MB doesn’t make a trade to reach 4000? Ha..

    Win is a win, but I hope we win.

  60. Un Canadien errant says:

    Since we’re starved for content, and some are holding out hope that we’ll reach the impossible dream of 4000, here’s a motocross video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy530StPWHM

    I told you about my Swedish roommates before, well this is the kid brother of one of them. He stayed with us for a couple of weeks a few years back, came to visit his sister and ride Whistler. At the time, he told me he liked snowboarding, and he was pretty good, in a fast and fearless way if not technically, but that his real love was motocross. Look at him go now.

    Linda just posted on Facebook that he just did his first backflip, I’ll post the video when I get it.

  61. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …a partial explanation on why this website seems to be being ignored by The Gazette partially may be explained by the dynamics and economics of the print media today

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/11/13/sun-media-job-cuts-quebecor_n_2121050.html

    Sun Media with 500 layoffs and the closing of many local newspapers means most news organizations are running on empty and a thread economically

    …let’s be happy We have a place to come to like HIO to gather and gab, fraternize as Habs Fans …but yet respect that The Gazette is not making a mint providing Us the privilege

    …anyway, I think some of Our writers and contributors among the Commentariat provide much more meaty thoughtful writing than are in the newspapers

    …I enthusiastically look forward for Cowan, Stubbs, Hickey and Boone to return, but We should realize They are doing it more for love of the Canadiens and hockey than for the money

    …let Them regenerate …We can play in Our HIO sandbox meanwhile until they do

    • The Ghost of Haborama says:

      +1!

    • 24 Cups says:

      The Gazette is doing quite well in terms of profit on this website. It’s my understanding that the numbers have been quite decent. It’s the print side that is in decline.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …because You are profiting/breaking even on one-side maybe You are using those resources to compensate where You are losing on the other side ?

        • 24 Cups says:

          For sure. It seems to me that print media is a bit like record stores that went from albums to tapes to CDs and then oblivion.

          I have been a subscriber to the Toronto Star for close to forty years before recently giving up my subscription and going to the internet feed. It appears to be an inevitable transition.

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    Nothing going on at HIO, except HiS trying to recruit Brendan Gallagher to the Commentariat (his handle should be ‘Le nouveau onze’), so I go looking for online entertainment while eating a mexican wrap of my own concoction as a well-deserved late lunch.

    I try TSN, and find the article on the putative Canadian Olympic Team, so I click and find that sure enough, uncontroversially, PK and Carey make it on the lineup. So I get to the end of the article, and reach the first comment, which of course I glance at.

    fullaswag 1 hour ago

    Let’s please not have the Terrell Owens of the NHL (Evander Kane) on the team. The guy played horrible in the KHL (which is played on a bigger ice surface) and that is enough said there.

    I don’t really get the Terrell Owens reference. The kid likes to party, apparently acts like a big shot and a douche when he goes out, and has been rumoured to have asked for a trade out of Winnipeg, but that doesn’t add up to a team-killing TO.

    But the report that he played poorly on the regular ice surface is well-taken, so yeah, maybe Evander Kane is useful crashing around on an NHL ice, but loses that value if he were playing Olympic hockey. Good enough, let’s move on to the rest of this insightful commenter’s post.

    Really don’t know about PK on the team considering Ryan Suter should have won the Norris cause he’s way more valuable then PK and plays more ice time and was one of the very few reasons Minny even made the playoffs and the only thing PK has over Suter is offensive talent. If PK does make it, I say make him the 7th man.

    And the wheels fall off immediately. So this genius’ point is that, in his opinion, P.K. is only superior in offensive talent to Ryan Suter. The latter must be vastly superior in all the rest of a defenceman’s job responsibilities, namely defensive talent. So logically, Mr. Suter is better. It’s not a wash or anything, a tie, each being better at one aspect. No, the Minnesota D wins it 1-1.

    Anyway, with that settled, it makes sense that P.K., being merely the second-best defenceman in the NHL, clearly inferior to the U.S. native, is a marginal add to the Canadian team, and can squeak on as the seventh-best option at D there. Indubitably.

    And as for goalies, I think it’s anyones bet and I say let Bobby Lu, Price, Crawford, Smith, Maybe holtby or Dubnyk or even Elliot try out and see who does better.

    Ah yes, this is like the finale of brilliance in this genius’ pyrotechnic display of hockey acumen. Let’s invite nine goalies based on their holding a Canadian passport, and have them battle royale it out in a two-day camp, which should tell us all we need to know about their play. Nothing that has been learned so far or can be assessed later on this season about these Canadian goalies should inform in any way our decision about which player should be between the pipes when the chips are down. Their pedigree and the stats they’ve accumulated to this point in their career mean nothing. Things like game-readiness, competitiveness, ability to come through in the clutch, and fit on the team can be gleaned from the summer camp. A camp which to this point it has not been determined whether it will include any on-ice work due to insurance concerns.

    I sometimes take the Commentariat for granted, and I don’t say it enough, but let me now be very clear how much I love you guys.

  63. haboholic68NJ says:

    Is everyone at HIO is on vacation? Never remember such an interval between threads.

    *Listen to my instrumental tribute entitled “Habs at War” at http://petertoliasmusic.site11.com/Music_Site/OtherOriginalMusic.html

  64. METROPOLITAN DIVISION says:

    In other news, White has been signed to a one year deal, and McCarron will play for London.

  65. Sportfan says:

    1000+ Expos fans went to the Jays game today, next year I’m making the trip no matter what! Here’s my recent article worst MLB trades involving pitchers. Many Expos fans will remember one trade that I put in the article, although the picture gives it away haha enjoy!

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/07/20/some-of-the-worst-pitching-trades-in-mlb-history/

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  66. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …on a more serious key, the following is an interview of Charles Barkley by CNN’s Erin Burnett

    …I’m very impressed by Barkley making one of the more sane observations on the Zimmerman-Martin issue

    http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/07/19/exp-erin-intv-charles-barkley-full-interview-zimmerman-case-and-race.cnn.html

    • twilighthours says:

      Is it sane because you agree with the verdict and so does Barkley?

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …it is ‘sane’ because it is sane

        • Stuck_in_To. says:

          It’s sane for Barkley, who wasn’t there, to hypothesize that Martin became aggressive at some point? On what what planet?

          And he suggests that this happened after Zimmerman racially profiled (i.e., maliciously targeted) Martin … with a gun? Barkely has made a career of his stupidity, his plea for calm dialogue of race notwithstanding.

          Any one who comes up and accosts me for no reason, and is packing a gun, is likely to seriously upset me.

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …sheesh …I would also be upset by You encroaching My space, with or without a gun …You would likely find Yourself on the floor

            …but that is not the issue of the jury’s decision …the issue, like it or not is nakedly who has a right to presume what exactly happened in those last heated and furious moments before Trayvon was shot

            …as a juror the preponderance of reasonable doubt was not at all met …therefore no justifiable alternative to the verdict they gave

            …guilty would be injustice, not justice

            …that, being said, Zimmerman was foolish not to have kept a reasonable distance and await the police …but that was not the issue the jury was mandated to conclude

            …and a completely separate conversation

          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            Since we have exhausted the replies … pardon this possible mess up of format.

            Yes, I agree … who has the right. Certainly not Barkley. And, unfortunately, not even the jurors. Have you heard the interview with the juror whose book deal was pulled? I am not comfortable with that, at all. A bunch of mostly white women are Martin’s peers? That is not acknowledging reality.

            There are only two people who can speak to what happened. One is dead and one brought a gun to the party and got out of his car after 911 told him to stay in his car. End of story, for me. Zimmerman escalated the encounter and even if he started to get the raw end of the deal by doing so, there is only one person who forced the encounter.

            Following kangaroo court justice is not justice and absolute belief in working the system that does not work is not smart or progressive.

            Obama’s response was sane. Barkley’s was just idiotic.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …we will agree to disagree

          …peace

          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

      • pmaraw says:

        it seems more and more that police are taking a Judge Dredd approach to their job.

        this video for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKGyoFvpve4


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