Habs’ Bergevin beaten out for NHL’s GM of the Year Award

Two years ago, general manager Marc Bergevin took over a Canadiens club that was the worst in the Eastern Conference (31-35-16) and the third-worst in the entire NHL.

This past season, the Canadiens finished fourth in the Eastern Conference (46-28-8) with 100 points during the regular season. But that wasn’t enough for Bergevin to win the General Manager of the Year Award at the NHL Awards Tuesday night in Las Vegas.

Bob Murray of the Anaheim Ducks won the award after his team finished with the second-best record in the NHL during the regular season (54-20-8), finishing one point behind the Boston Bruins (54-19-9). Dean Lombardi of the Stanley Cup-champion Los Angeles Kings was the third finalist for the GM award.

Voting for the GM award was conducted among the 30 NHL general managers and a panel of NHL executives, print and broadcast media at the end of the regular season. Murray finished first in voting with 66 points (nine first-place votes, six second-place votes and three third-place votes). Bergevin was second with 49 points (7-4-2) and Lombardi third with 33 points (3-4-6).

Former Canadiens goalie Patrick Roy won the Jack Adams Trophy as the NHL’s top coach after leading the Colorado Avalanche to a 52-22-8 record (the third-best in the league) during his rookie season behind an NHL bench.

Canadiens defenceman P.K. Subban was beaten out by the Boston Bruins’ Patrice Bergeron to be on the cover of the NHL15 video game.

Here’s the complete list of award winners:

Hart Trophy (Most Valuable Player): Sidney Crosby, C, Pittsburgh Penguins

Calder Trophy (Best Rookie): Nathan MacKinnon, C, Colorado Avalanche

Norris Trophy (Best Defenceman): Duncan Keith, Chicago Blackhawks

Vezina Trophy (Best Goaltender): Tuukka Rask, Boston Bruins

Lady Byng Trophy (Most Sportsmanlike): Ryan O’Reilly, C, Colorado Avalanche

Selke Trophy (Best Defensive Forward): Patrice Bergeron, C, Boston Bruins

Masterton Trophy (Perseverance, Sportsmanship & Dedication to Hockey): Dominic Moore, C, N.Y. Rangers

Jack Adams Award (Best Head Coach)” Patrick Roy, Colorado Avalanche

Ted Lindsay Award (Most Outstanding Player as Voted by NHLPA):  Sidney Crosby, C, Pittsburgh Penguins

Mark Messier Award (Leadership On & Off the Ice): Dustin Brown, RW, Los Angeles Kings

King Clancy Memorial Trophy (Leadership On Ice and in Community): Andrew Ference, D, Edmonton Oilers

General Manager of the Year: Bob Murray, Anaheim Ducks

Art Ross Trophy (Regular Season Scoring Leader): Sidney Crosby, C, Pittsburgh Penguins

Richard Trophy (Regular Season Goal Leader): Alexander Ovechkin, LW, Washington Capitals

Jennings Trophy (Lowest Goals Against Average): Jonathan Quick, Los Angeles Kings

King Clancy Trophy (Humanitarian Contribution to the Community): Andrew Ference, D, Edmonton Oilers

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Subban at top of GM Bergevin’s agenda, by Pat Hickey of The Gazette

NHL award winners and voting results, NHL.com



  1. theflukester says:

    Are you surprised by MB not winning? I’m not. This is going to be a summer for him to truly prove himself in my mind. Signing Markov to me was a bad idea, he’s old, he’s slow and not anywhere as marvelous as he was. The real good idea would have been to bring up the young guys. It’s about rebuilding and I question just how remarkable Markov is with the younger players. Now the question is of these players, Gionta (old/small/useless), Plekanec (non-playoff player and kind of a wuss) and Moen. MB will have to move these guys. Having these guys around another year is going to hurt not help. I wait with great anticipation of what MB does but I’m not holding my breath. People might think it was Therrien who got us where we were, it was the players themselves. Losing Gallant is going to hurt us too. But his future in Montreal was that of an Assistant coach, we all know he’d never get the top job as he’s not french. Deny it, but it’s the cold hard truth. Roy on the other-hand who should have been the Habs coach was well deserved. Congrats to Roy!

    Play every game as if it is your last one. Guy Lafleur

  2. Un Canadien errant says:

    Some thoughts about Canadian cities being able to attract/retain frontline players who have options:

    Vancouver was seen as a prime destination for a lot of players, due to factors such as the mild weather, which some like, they prefer the rain to the bitter Portage and Main cold. They like the West Coast lifestyle, the local boys enjoy being close to family and friends. The organization is seen as first-class, there is no nickel-and-dimeing going on (no expense is spared for travel, the players’ sleep is more important than saving one night’s hotel costs). Until recently, you felt you had a chance to win with the Canucks.

    That last point is now off the table, and one factor which is creeping in for the last few seasons is the fishbowl aspect, which isn’t as bad as in Toronto or Montréal, but is rising. Further, some players worry that there is a small but significant faction of peripheral fans, those who rioted in 2011 wearing Pavel Bure or Brian McCabe orange and black jerseys, that have a very aggressive, confrontational tone. Milan Lucic has borne the brunt of that it seems, but it hasn’t escaped the players’ notice, if we are to believe the press.

    The Edmonton itself not being a problem angle is a bit of a stretch, I think. While it’s true that Glen Sather managed to get core players re-signed within his budget, to get players to give the hometown discount, that was predicated on Wayne Gretzky and a chance at being part of a dynasty. The players made do, they were young and had the keys to the city, and reportedly took group trips to Vegas and Mexico that were legendary. Once they started getting married and didn’t hang out together so much, and Wayne was traded to L.A., all these players left town, demanded trades, sold themselves to the highest bidder, in short order. And yeah, there was a blip when Chris Pronger and Mike Peca came to town, I remember telling my coworker on the bay floor, and he was walking around in a daze, happily muttering “Can’t believe we got Peca…” Unfortunately, it didn’t last.

    Montréal has some significant issues to overcome, like the weather, the taxes, the language issues, the crumbling infrastructure, the traffic, the fishbowl existence. The Canadiens do a good job with the factors it can control: good, progressive ownership, topnotch facilities, first-class treatment, a likeable GM, these things matter to players, when they decide where they have to go to work (Vincent Lecavalier notwithstanding). The Canadiens can also deliver an amazing experience for players, as Dale Weise and Mike Weaver testified, the amazing fans, the attention. Mike Cammalleri explained that the best part of being a Canadiens was ‘playing on Saturday night’.

    For the right player, this will matter, along with being part of a historic tradition and franchise, of wearing an iconic jersey, along with now the real hope of contending for the Stanley Cup. So it’s up to the team and its pro scouts, its brain trust, to key on the advantages, and target players who are local boys who will cherish these factors, or players like P.K. or Dale Weise who grew up watching Habs games on the couch with their father. For those guys, attracting them to Montréal won’t be so difficult, the siren song of Sunrise or anonyMinnesota won’t be so appealing.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • CH Marshall says:

      One more thing about Montreal: living legends of the Habs can, and will, rip you in the media

    • Habfan17 says:

      I like your post, there is one thing to correct. The collective agreement has the accommodations and per diem the players receive well documented. They have to be put up in 5 star hotels, they get a meal allowance on travel days as per the agreement. All teams abide by it. Vancouver is not doing more for the players than the other teams.


  3. durocher says:

    I’d like to see Weaver back — he plays strong, is a natural RD, and seems to be the character guy that MB values.

    Chicago is dangling Sharp for a 2nd line C. How about trading Pleks and Nygren to Chicago for Sharp and Danault. Then signing Bolland instead of Gio?

  4. Psycho29 says:

    new thread

  5. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Many congrats to you and the Hobie GF.
    Good times ahead.

  6. CH Marshall says:

    Just stopping by and see some chat about Leblanc. IMO his chances of making the big team would have been good, had it not been for a 5’5 guy called DD making a case for himself.

  7. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Timo, I heard this today and thought of you. Can you identify it?

    “Before the beginning of time, there was the Cube.”

  8. Captain aHab says:

    Did the commentator of the France-Ecuador game ask “How did the frogs not score on that?” a minute ago?

    Prepare to be boarded!!

  9. HardHabits says:

    The Kings just signed Gaborik for 4.9 million… mind you for 7 years… but still. I have a feeling that contracts for older players are going to diminish and the big money (especially with term) will only go to the actual marquis players on the 1st UFA contract. If Vanek gets more than 6 million the team that signs him gets scorched, unless it’s for 2-3 years… than yes you can make that deal, but 7 years at 7 million? No way José.

    Mind you if the Habs do sign Vanek, even given his play-off performance, I’d still be happy, even at 7 million.

    Adds new meaning to the term fire wagon hockey.

    • CJ says:

      Vanek has already walked away from a 7 year, $50 million dollar deal. So, either he figures he’s worth more, or it clearly isn’t about the money. If it’s not about the money, then he surely would be headed to Minnesota.

    • Trollhunter says:

      Hmmm… Gabs in the prime of his career gets 4.9 and Markov gets just under 6… makes perfect sense

  10. frontenac1 says:

    Hola CJ! DYG has posted their top 10 NHL fighters for last season . Here is the link.

    • CJ says:

      I wouldn’t have either Boulton or Sesito in my top ten, but any list is going to be subjective. Thank you for sharing buddy!

      Boy, I’d love to land one of Gadzic, Peluso or Rosehill. All young and hungry. The only guy on the free agent list that is even worth considering is Glass and he is not a heavy, although he had a beauty against Chris Neil.

  11. Timo says:

    So, with Center Ice, given that I live in the Lames region, I should technically only get 4 games blacked out for me, both Oilers and Flames games… all the other games should be available, correct?

    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      I don’t think you would get blacked out for the two games the Lames and Oilers are the away teams?

    • Rugger says:

      I assume center ice has gotten better. I tried it a few years ago and had all sorts of problems. I watch on the laptop which is wirelessly connected to a Verizon router. Apparently the router assigns a random IP number to the laptop each time and Center ice could not confirm my location so it blacked out everything. I confirmed in writing that I was in Massachusetts so please block out the Bruins and let me watch the Habs. They finally refunded my money as they could not figure out how to do it.

  12. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Whats going on with Vanek?

    Have not heard anything?

    Vanek joke in 54321……….

  13. Ncognito says:

    For those thinking about paying for HockeyStreams, has anyone discussed a group rate? If there is enough interest perhaps they will cut a deal and drop the price from $109 to something more enticing 🙂

  14. johnnylarue says:

    The amount of physical punishment Gorges can take without so much as a wince leads me to suspect he has some of this guy in his lineage:


  15. shiram says:

    Some rumor that the Canucks are targeting Ryan Miller in free agency.
    Also Bolland.

    That team traded 2 starters, and now they would buy one from free agency?

    • D Mex says:

      The Mike Gillis legacy … The combined experience of goaltenders currently on their NHL roster amounts to about a handful. Gotta do something.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

    • Marc10 says:

      Ayoye! That would be poetic if it came to pass. I don’t know that Miller wants that action if he couldn’t win behind the St Louis defence…

      Still, what a cluster#@$% of epic proportions that the Nucks have managed to go from finalists to joke in under two years. Next stop Edmonton and NYI levels of incompetence…?

  16. Timo says:

    Here is the answer I received from hockeystreams.com (if anyone cares)

    “Hello, We have all games, yes – and all in HD. You will also be able to watch all Canadiens games using the RDS feed if you chose to do so. It is currently $109.99 for a calendar year. “

    • Hobie says:

      I’m still wondering how the heck hockeystreams.com is allowed to exist?

    • shiram says:

      1.35$ a game isn’t too bad.
      But I just hate paying for something that is not legit.

    • BJ says:

      I’ve been with them for 5 + years and have been very happy with perhaps an occasional streaming problem. And you have tons of hockey including AHL. OHL, QMJHL, WHL, world championships and lots more. Well worth the money. Everything is archived so you can watch live or at your convenience.

      • Timo says:

        On-demand is what I like about them in particular. I can rarely watch the game live, so I always used to PVR it. So, this feature comes very handy.

        • habtastic74 says:

          That is the one thing that has troubled me in the past with hockeystreams. Live games always work just fine for me, but when I watch on-demand games there will be multiple glitch points where it just freezes and will not move unless I rewind or fast forward a few seconds. This is particularly annoying to me because the time bar on the bottom of the screen shows how much time is left every time I have to do that. Occasionally seeing the time bar ruins the drama for me because I am then able to tell whether the game went to overtime (especially problematic for playoff games to know how lo the game went on for). I don’t know if this computer is oddly unique to me though, but I’ll say I have exceptional internet speed and have tried multiple computers and always have this issue. Aside from that I have been completely happy with hockeystreams.

          • Timo says:

            It is possible that they limit the bandwidth for on-demand games vs live games. Would be good to try them for a game or 2 before subscribing for a year.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Thanks Timo.
      Although the site has been around a while, I would be hesitant to pay for a year up front (in the event they get shut down).

  17. Hobie says:

    The recent makeup of the entire defence isn’t quite correct. It’s not Josh Gorges fault.

    When you have a defence that’s made up of three guys that are 6′ tall, another that’s 5’8, another that’s 5’10 and one guy who is around the 6’2′ mark, you’re going to scramble.

    We need more size back there. Not for fighting or intimidating but for wing span and taking up precious real estate.

    I think we’ll already see an improvement when Beaulieu and Tinordi become full timers and Bouillon and Weaver are subtracted from the lineup.

    • shiram says:

      Pateryn may get a shot before Tinordi, on the count of being a righty.

      • Chris says:

        And the fact that he outplayed Tinordi by a heft margin last year. 🙂

        • shiram says:

          I read you saying it before, but since I’ve not see him play much, I did not want to put forth that piece of information.

        • krob1000 says:

          maybe in Hamilton…but that is irrelevant IMO. I think Lebalnc and BEulieu both played well in MOntreal…theyboth got punished becuse of their play in Hamilton. Tinordi showed he canbe a serviceabel bottom pairing guy and Baulieu showed he can be more than that right now. Pateryn has not had the opportunity to show either …..so until he does I put the others ahead of him. He could easily change that and obviously has demonstrated a coachability and willingness…here’s hoping it works out.

          • Chris says:

            Rob: Tinordi was given a lot of ice time and responsibility last year in Hamilton. The circumstances between his development and that of Leblanc (who absolutely has been mishandled by the Habs) are night and day.

            Tinordi got better as the year went on, but he was inconsistent. He has also continued his junior trend of being offensively challenged…maybe he’s still adjusting to his body, but that excuse is starting to get old now. Pateryn, who also was projected to not provide any offence, surprised everybody by putting up very healthy numbers for a defenceman.

            I don’t expect Pateryn to do much offensively in the NHL, but it could happen. As much as people malign players from the NCAA for their “slow development”, it is not lost on me that defencemen from the CHL usually see their offensive totals drop significantly while those from the NCAA do much better in that regard.

            Pateryn peaked out at 14 points in 40 games, but that isn’t that far off some of the top NHL alumni to come out of the NCAA. Suter had 19 points in 39 games in his NCAA season. McDonagh peaked at 18 points in 43 games. He’s obviously not in the same league as those guys, but maybe everybody (including me, to be fair) has been writing him off too quickly.

            In some respects, I think defencemen are better off developing in the NCAA on the short-term. There, they are routinely playing against 18-25 year olds, who are way ahead of the 16-20 year olds that you run up against in the CHL.

            Regardless, Pateryn gives up very little in size or physical play, and his offence and skating isn’t too far off that of Tinordi. I’d have to think that he has the job unless Tinordi blows people’s socks off in training camp this September.

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            I dont buy that at all. Leblanc only had value if he was producing offense, and showed no signs of that in Montreal, he is easy to replace defensively. Regarding Beaulieu, maybe a (just maybe cause we don’t know) a better attitude gets him more games in the NHL, but he is not “being punished” for anything. If you are not playing well in Hamilton, you are not going to get a chance in the NHL.

          • habs001 says:

            Leblanc just could not beat any player one on one..skating,stickhandling…he looked very limited in providing offense

          • Habfan17 says:

            I think it is short sited to say it was because of their play in Hamilton. We are not privy to what goes on, it could just as well been attitude, effort, and maturity.

            Pateryn did what was asked of him. It could well be that both Beaulieu and LeBlanc reacted badly and had a sense of entitlement. Thought they didn’t have to try as hard since they were high draft picks and felt they were more talented than the others. We have no clue what goes on. It is all just speculation!!


      • Hobie says:

        I wish all the best for Pateryn too. I was going to include him as well in my post. I’m hoping Tinordi really impresses in training camp this year though.

        • shiram says:

          Training camp will be key for all 3 of those young defense-men.

          • Hobie says:

            I’m hoping Tinordi is currently working out like a freak, eating steak and potatoes and growing into that large frame of his. I think it’s just a matter of time before he puts his game on the ice together as well.

            I’m pretty confident he’ll become a body checking, shot blocking, penalty killing, minute eating force out there.

          • shiram says:

            Skating could be an issue, especially if he bulks up a lot.
            But yeah, all 3 of them have to come to camp in the best shape of their life, and wow the coaching and management staff.

            It’s the kind of stuff I’m always hoping for, young player forces his coach to play and rocks the world!

          • Hobie says:

            Tinodi is 6’6″. Last I checked he was around 210lbs. He should ideally be around 235lbs at that height. Maybe a bit more…

          • shiram says:

            Habs website have him at 227.
            But yeah, he’s got room to grow into.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          @Hobie He’s one of the things the team needs. A Murray type who can actually move a little bit. I think he’ll be given a real good look this fall.

          • Hobie says:

            Ya, it’s really too bad Murray wasn’t faster on his feet. I was pulling for the guy all season long. I loved seeing him jarring back and forth with Chara and laying the lumber in Lucic’s back in front of the net.

            As I mentioned above, Tinordi needs some more meat on his bones to assume that role. Otherwise I’m kinda worried one of those two Bruins is going to rough him up badly.

      • Forum Dog says:

        They played Beaulieu on the right side in the playoffs. I’ll be interested to see if that was just a short-term thing, or if maybe they are looking to see if he can play there in an expanded role.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Nothing wrong with inflicting pain on guys taking liberties in Carey”s paint too amigo.

      • Hobie says:

        I was going to put that in brackets front…

      • CJ says:

        Agreed Front. I know Hobie feels the same way. I can’t wait to have a big, mobile, defence corps who can move the puck the transition from defence to offense.

        I thought Weaver was an effective, albeit short term, replacement. But, we need some size on the back end. If we had something like;

        Beaulieu PK
        Markov Gorges
        Emelin Pateryn

        If Tinordi plays his way onto the team over a guy like Gorges, all the better. I do appreciate that it would not be easy to integrate three young defencemen, but I am hoping that two can make our opening night lineup.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          CJ – You seem to agree with some here that Pateryn has a leg up on Tinordi. Would you care to expand on that?

          • CJ says:

            Good afternoon Jim.

            I consider Pateryn and Tinordi to be in a direct competion for a single spot. As injuries inevitably develop, I could see both in the lineup at the same time, but that will be on a contingency basis. I have given Pateryn the leg up almost entirely based on him being a RH shot. I have watched Emelin struggle for too long not to believe that the organization finds a way to slot him in his natural position on the left side.

            Regarding my proposal above, it is far from ideal. I like the Beaulieu PK pairing, but I would like to see an upgrade over Gorges to play with Markov. It would likely be too big a stretch to suggest that Pateryn fits in on our second pairing, although I do suppose anything is possible. Long story short, we are lacking depth on the right side. Perhaps, instead of trying to figure out pairings, an easier exercise is to rank our current defencemen;


            The list is subject to change and training camp will go a long way to determining pairings. It will be interesting to see if Bergevin decides to make a move for a RH defencemen.

            Sorry, to your original question, there are things about Pateryn’s game that I like better then Tinordi’s (offensive creativity), however, I do think Tinorid has a heigher ceiling overall. The RH shot carries weight, as it is an element that we are sorely missing. Let me say this about Tinordi in closing; Yes, I recognize the kid made mistakes, but he also did things last year as a 21/22 year old that few in our organization can currently do. He skates the puck out of our end (Gorges and Emelin never do that), he can fight and he hits to hurt. Sorry, but so long as that is a part of the game, I like having him in the linuep and will except the growing pains along the way.

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    2014 Summit is going WILD!

    I have chosen Nov. 8th vs Wild game for our 2014 HIO Fan Summit in Montreal.
    The night of Guy Lapointe sweater retirement (I think) as he works for the Wild.

    I have had talks with the Bell Center and our special game tickets look like a go. But do not book your plane flights or hotels until they confirm everything to me. I will post as soon as I know!

    Looking forward to seeing all of you again for a great weekend in Montreal. —Ian

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

  19. HabsWin-nipeg says:

    I’d like to see the Habs draft Nikita Scherbak if he’s still there:


    Size, speed, hands, and from the video likes to score.

  20. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    ” I come here to praise Josh Gorges, not to bury him”

    So whipping boy d man de jour Josh Gorges seems to heading towards Diaz/Weber territory … add him to every trade to make the other team better, since he is so lousy with us.


    Like the “Markov had a bad playoff”, “DD is too small” and “MT has ruined PK and he won’t re-sign” if you repeat something enough times at HIO, people agree that it exists and it becomes a fact … a Habenthorpe Book of Lies if you will.

    Around here, Josh Gorges can’t skate, can’t pass, can’t hit, can’t punch, can’t score and is REALLY annoying with his rah rah attitude.

    Yep, and the habs, who were soooo bad on defence (8th best out of 30) and lousy on the PK (4th best out of 30) were forced to use no good Josh Gorges to play 21:14 a night … (69th highest out of 200 plus defencemen).

    Too bad he wasn’t Brooks Orpik …. check out his stats! Wow! Like night and day ….


    Ah but he is being paid 3.9 million dollars … he’s a witch! Burn him!!

    What Gorges does is not pretty, but it is effective. He takes a hit to make a play, has far better offensive instincts than is realized, stays at home, does not take dumb penalties and earns the trust of the team and his coaches. If you put his output into the hands of an arbitrator, he would get the money he is being paid.

    If you don’t like his game, that’s your choice, but don’t dismiss him because you disagree with smarter hockey minds than ours.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • shiram says:

      Well he CAN’T score, I would to agree with.
      But he does get unwarranted amounts of hate.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I’m not a huge fan of his rah rah either. 🙂

      • dduncan says:

        Gorges gives 100% and sacrifices his body to make a play and has leadership skills but the Habs need more than that if they hope to win 6 more games to win the Cup. When you have trouble scoring in May and June, as the Habs have done against Philly and NY in the third round, you need more size, speed, scoring, playmaking and big-play men (like PK and Patches) all over the ice. It’s a matter of being safe (Gorges) or taking a risk (Beaulieu) to win. Everyone talks about Carey Price being the key but it’s always a lack of talent up front that does them in in the playoffs

    • montreal ace says:

      Just a great post 2 min, it’s going to make you look good all day

    • frontenac1 says:

      Agreed that what he does isn”t pretty . Those frequent slo-mo”s of him getting plastered up against the glass are down right ugly. Saludos!

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Up to your point regarding his offensive instincts I did agree.

      • Paz says:

        Far better offensive instincts than is realized?

        I think even Gorges would have to snicker at that.

        • Chris says:

          Gorges offensive instincts are offensive: dump the puck into the corner. Over and over and over and over.

          I felt he was better a couple of years ago, but he’s regressed from that not exactly lofty peak of offensive skill.

          • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

            Chris, a comparison would be to Lyle Odelien … once he got into his prime, he has some good years points wise, trusting himself enough to be in the trailer on a breakout and reading the soft spots.

            His shot is truly Kaburlesque – but I am betting he has a career point year this season.

            “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

          • Chris says:

            I don’t care about the shot. Gorges’ passing has regressed to being well below NHL average now. He has zero confidence left in his offensive game. He rarely takes a chance…I’m not expecting him to be as risky as Subban, but Gorges’ breakouts (which weren’t too bad 2-3 years ago) were abysmal last season.

    • krob1000 says:

      We’ll have to agree to disagree because I do not find him that effective…yes statistically he was good but so was most of the team. I like Gorges as a number 5 guy paired with a bruiser and making 2.5. Give me that Josh Gorges on my team every day of every year. The Gorges signed for an eternity at 3.9 million with a defense that lacks grit and already has left handed dmen named Markov, Beaulieu,etc (with Tinordi coming up the pipe) and it gets dicey.

      He gets played on the 2nd pp which is not his fault but he is of no use there. He blocks shots and his character has never been in question…but Montreal is a team lacking in size and toughness and would be better served with a tougher bigger guy in that role. I do not blame Josh Gorges. I like him because he is the underdog, the everyman…but in Montreal , with their makeup, their up and comers, their strength on the left side, their lack of significant minute playing toughness,etc and their cap position I see him as the guy to move, He could do wonders for a team that needs his leadership and his example…another team could have plenty of cap space, their strength be on the right side, have tough dmen already and he would fit nicely. I do not knock Josh Gorges the person…or the hockey player…but I seriously question the value of Josh Gorges to this team moving forward. I am in the camp that thinks either he or Emelin goes and if me…I think Gorges is the guy you move. Doubt it happens but I still believe that is the way to go.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I just remember how the team played minus Josh in the lineup. It wasn’t pretty. He’s a minutes eater and does not do a lot of things that hurt the team.

      Nice post and I’m not a huge Gorges fan but the record speaks for itself.

      • Paz says:

        If Tinordi gets a full season under his belt before he turns 30, he will replace everything Gorges does in a 6’6 frame and no where near 4 million cap.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Was surprised Tinordi wasn’t given more ice time last season especially coming off his late 2012 season and playoff performance. I’m not sure he’ll be ready for a top 4 role this season.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      The one I find funniest is “to small” for Gorges, I hear it almost daily here. At 6 ft and 200 lbs no less. Yes Gorges is probably overpaid by a few hundred thousand a year, should probably be around 3.2 million instead of 3.9.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Yeah, Gorges is okay. But if you are putting him out there on your top pairing you are not using him to your best advantage. Of course, if you have to put him on your top pairing because you don’t have anyone better, then your depth on defence is not particularly good….

      I like Josh as a leader and glue guy, but I think we can all agree that his 35 shots and 95 hits in 66 games last year is less than impressive. About the only stat that demonstrates his value is the blocks. He gets overpowered down low, out-muscled in front of the net, can’t pass very well. He’ll give you 110% every time he steps on the ice, which counts for a lot, but you’ll always be underwhelmed.

      Put him on the 3rd pairing with 15 minutes a night and I think everyone would see how valuable he is to the team’s overall success.

      • CJ says:

        There is absolutely no sense in me typing any kind of response. Forum Dog has summed up my impressions of Gorges perfectly.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Again, this is perception not based by facts. No-one is saying he is a top pairing guy. Overpowered down low, outmuscled in front of the net, can’t pass well … this is neither demonstrably true nor relevant.

        It may very well be that in 3 years time he will be getting number 5 minutes but right now, he is worth his top 4 time and money.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

        • Forum Dog says:

          I agree that it is based on perception. As in what I perceive with my eyes when I watch him play. I can say, without any hesitation or second thought, that the only defencemen on MTL who was worse at passing last year was Murray (and not by much), and the only one less physically effective was Bouillion (again, not by much). Each of Subban, Markov, Emelin and (later in the season) Weaver were better than Gorges in those particular categories.

          Like I say, he is valuable to the team and I like him. Don’t really mean to denigrate, because I think his contract is a useful one. I just want to see them get stronger on the backend.

    • bustthebusters says:

      Sorry, you lost me at offensive instincts. His best pass is to no one in particular up the boards. No puck possession skills whatsoever. He does block shots (credit for dat) but only because he is a turnover machine in his own end. In the end I blame the brass for ponying up 3.9 when you get the same thing for an old fart like Weaver who plays with more grit. At best a number 6 or 7 D as far as rah rah Josh is concerned.

    • CJ says:

      I believe DD is too small to be a number one centre. Sorry. I like the guy, but we aren’t winning with him as our number one.

    • dduncan says:

      Gorges gives 100% and sacrifices his body to make a play and has leadership skills but the Habs need more than that if they hope to win 6 more games to win the Cup. When you have trouble scoring in May and June, as the Habs have done against Philly and NY in the third round, you need more size, speed, scoring, playmaking and big-play men (like PK and Patches) all over the ice. It’s a matter of being safe (Gorges) or taking a risk (Beaulieu) to win. Everyone talks about Carey Price being the key but it’s always a lack of talent up front that does them in in the playoffs.

  21. BramScott says:

    In regard to the TV situation- from what I understand Rogers purchased both the french and english national rights and then sold off the french rights to TVA. Now, the questions I have are
    -Did TVA simply outbid RDS for the french rights or did Rogers even offer RDS a chance to obtain the rights ?
    -Why are TVAsports only showing 22 games nationally , what else do they have to air that would draw more viewers then the Habs?
    -The billions of dollars that Rogers has spent to obtain the rights has been well reported but why I have heard no mention of the dollar amounts involved in the french rights sell off?
    -What is the play off situation, are TVAsports airing all the Habs playoff games?

  22. 24 Cups says:

    Seven years for Gaborik is a bit much but LA is basically looking at him for the next five years when they have the greatest window of opportunity for the Cup. Five years is an eternity in today’s NHL and they could always buy him out at that point in time. As well, his salary of 4.8M won’t be the same percentage of the team’s cap as it is right now.

    Gaborik/Kopitar mightn’t be the equal of Toews/Kane but they will quickly be around 6M cheaper moving forward.


    24 Cups

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Bob McKenzie tweeted that Gaborik can walk away early from contract and no caphit penalties.

      Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 24m
      Will have to see yr-by-yr breakdown of Gaborik deal but IF he decides to walk away from any remaining yrs, there are no cap hits/penalties.

      • shiram says:

        Makes sense, as it’s not an over 35 deal.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Interesting. I thought that kind of gimmickry died with the new CBA.

        I imagine this deal will be structured the same as Clarkson’s contract which puts much of the coin up front and makes it basically buyout proof. I also believe there isn’t a no movement clause.

        Gotta be a bit of a kick in the ass for teams like St Louis and Chicago.

        LA basically gets Gaborik for the same money as Callahan with an extra year thrown in. Totally different players but LA needed a Gaborik, not a Callahan or a Clarkson.

        24 Cups

  23. TheCanadianDagger says:

    Coming off a baaaad season, Dany Heatley could be had for cheap. I don’t really like the guy, but for the right $$$ he could provide some RW scoring.

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Not for the faint of heart, one of the players for Nigeria had his arm broken when a teammates shot him. Unbelievable how hard these guys can kick a ball.


    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      I knew I didn’t want to see it, but I still clicked and watched. Why.

    • shiram says:

      Add in his NTC, and I don’t see him being moved, not this off season anyways.

    • The Jackal says:

      Just goes to show that people calling footballers pansies are out to lunch.
      These guys are top of the line athletes, they compete hard and play hard, they run at high speeds and challenge each other, often dangerously.

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • bwoar says:


        k I’m outta here, step back from my sammich bro

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Unfortunately the drama boys of the sport have given the sport a pretty bad reputation. But there is definitely some hard knocks given out in the sport, unfortunately the divers have really started to take over in some games.

          I still love watching it, and I think i have some Pansies in my flower bed as well! 😉

          • bwoar says:

            Honestly, I think all pro athletes are fairly tough in one way or another. I think the “my sport is tougher than yours” argument is silly, comparing is apples to oranges really.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agreed not Pansies amigo.They are Sissies that find it honourable to fake and bite.

    • BJ says:

      Hard to believe it can snap an arm in half. Not a pretty picture.

    • Chris says:

      I’ve played as a soccer goaltender for years and I can vouch for the fact that the ball can hurt like hell when you get hit. As a goalie, the guys who can kick the ball with little to no spin are just murder…you have no idea where the ball is going when it has no spin.

      The ball weighs about one pound and the harder shots will be upwards of 80 miles per hour. The odd guy can get it over 90 miles per hour. The hardest shot in soccer is a tough number to find, but Sky Sports has come up with a way of working the speed out from the footage, and the fastest they came up with from old footage was 114 miles per hour by David Hirst. Hirst once broke an opposing defender’s leg with one of his shots.

  25. UKRAINIANhab says:


    For the Trade Plekanec camp.

    Good read.

    • krob1000 says:

      I think the majority of people would perfer to be in the trade Dd camp…but taht seems impossible in tersm of getting anything back. The fact he and Patches are joined at hip is frustrating….Dd got 1 more point than Briere and one pt less than Pelks. Eller blew them all out of the water….this allhappened while DD got all of the favourable spots, top pp, top wingers, top mintues, best starts,etc,etc…..

      • shiram says:

        I think DD has some value, especially after he did not wilt in the playoffs this year.
        Maybe not as much as Plekanec, but he could be moved.
        DD also does not have any NTC or NMC, which helps a lot.

        • krob1000 says:

          don;t get me wrong I loved the way DD played in the playoffs…but I don;t agree with him getting all the cherry picked offesnvie opportunities because I belive the other centers are better at those things

        • shiram says:

          I agree, and that’s why he’s the one I’d try to move, his production would be easier to replace than Plekanec’s 2 way play.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      It always depends on what you get in return.

    • bwoar says:

      This is nothing that hasn’t been posted here a 1000 freakin’ times. How bloody stupid to you have be to not have read this in about 10,000 comments on Plekanec.


  26. krob1000 says:

    Shiram…exactly what I said Kovalev thrived with pLeks…when plkes was the one given top two scorers and offensive responsibily and agenda. Pleks got the zone starts, pleks got hte first pp, pleks got the advantageous matchups….he could still produce if given that role.

    • dduncan says:

      Pleks was good for Kovy when they played. He would make a 3 foot pass to Kovy and then get out of the way and watch him score. Pleky still plays hot potato with the puck and admires his passes too much. Notice how many times he plays with one hand on the stick?

  27. krob1000 says:

    Hey MB can you see if the can put a beach in that Bio dome thing to start attracting free agents at bargain prices

  28. krob1000 says:

    Gaborik 7 yr under 35 million…less than 5 per season….wow….

    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      I’d take Vanek back for that!

      • krob1000 says:

        yup…get er done MB. 2 diff’t things going on…Callahn getting 5.8? then Gaborik goes and gets 4.9???bizarre stuff….great cap hit and terrible news for rest of nhl as LA will be a powerhouse for years.

      • frontenac1 says:

        $5million is a lot of scratch to Vanish in the playoffs amigo.

        • krob1000 says:

          I think he vanished into the PLeks portal…many a player have done the same. HE is tough to play with because his mind is on defense. I think if you put Patch on one wing, Vanek on the other and had it centered by ANY ONE of Eller, Chcuky or even DD you will have a happy Vanek….and that will mean 40 goals or thereabouts and about 70 points and a dangerous pp. The only way Pleks can be effective with Vanek is with Chcuky/Patch ont he other wing and being reprogrammed to his Ak days where he was relied on for offense…ltd pk duty, top pp duty, the best ozone starts,etc…Pleks can still do it but he can;t be everything..top checker and top scorer…only Datsyuk can do that.

          • bwoar says:

            We saw him fail to score or even play hard with Max/DD in the playoffs, and that’s how he ended up bouncing around. Not cool.

          • krob1000 says:

            BWora re below…taht is how he plays…he is a goalscorer….he is not a “hard player” …he lurks waiting for wspace, he thrives with other intellect. He is exactly what Kovalev was…Kkovalev never played even a single game hard the entire time in MOntreal….some guys you just let do their thing. A kovalev backcheck is as rare as a 3 peckered dog…yet he did alright.

          • shiram says:

            But Kovalev thrived with Plekanec.

          • Chris says:

            Zetterberg is pretty good at it too. Toews is rapidly getting there, although he disappears for stretches. Bergeron can do it.

          • HabsWin-nipeg says:

            Vanek has scored 40 or more twice in his career. 30 or more twice. The vast majority of his years have been in the 20’s. Not saying he couldn’t score 40, but I was surprised to see that he is not the offensive force he’s made out to be. Sure he played for Buffalo all those years, but he hasn’t proved to be an elite scorer throughout his career. Check the stats for yourself:


    • johnnylarue says:

      See, a guy will sign for that to live in Southern California and play for a winning team for seven years. Sadly, Montreal is still a couple of decades of global warming away from being able to offer similar perks.

    • Chris says:

      Gaborik? Isn’t he the guy that is so soft, always injured, and never shows up for the playoffs?

      Wait…he showed up for the playoffs this year? Darn it…when will these Euros learn to stay Euros?

      • frontenac1 says:

        Gaborik was a Beast in this year’s playoffs. Vanek was Houdini.

        • krob1000 says:

          Thomas Plekanished is the term…playing Vanek with Pleks is terrible use of an elite scorer IMO.

          • frontenac1 says:

            I hear ya Krob, but for 7 million bucks he didn’t back check, he blew his coverage too many times and refused to pay a physical price to win. Gaborik did all those things and put up points.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      He’s 2 year older, just signed with the Stanley Cup winner and career wise played less than 60% of all his teams’ games.

      Why would Vanek sign for the same amount with the Habs?

    • Forum Dog says:

      Wow indeed. Must be severely front loaded, recognizing that he’ll be playing for a $1M or 2 by the 7th year (when he is 39). Assuming he makes it that far. He strikes me as the type of player who might pack it in early.

    • Great signing by LA, 4.9m Per year.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    So to further confuse the UFA / RFA negotiating period, Mark Spector of Sportsnet claims RFA’s get a window opened up 12 hours prior to official signing period opening.


  30. FanSince1969 says:

    Oh. RDS is reporting that Mike Weaver is not a priority for Habs and he might change teams again. I guess Bouillon is still Therrien pet.

  31. FanSince1969 says:

    While I take a few minute break from pleading for Larry Robinson to return as a coach, i have an interesting observation. Did anyone notice that the three players who presented the award for GM were Captain of LA Kings; Captain of Anaheim Ducks; and FUTURE Captain of Habs?

  32. Chris says:

    If you thought it was bad with Evander Kane and P.K. Subban getting labelled as cocky, I introduce to you Joshua Ho-Sang, the latest player to shake up the NHL establishment.

    This guy is going to be a lightning rod that makes Subban look like Crosby. 🙂

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      If he’s there late in the first round…

      Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!

      • krob1000 says:

        if he is there at no 20 I would trade up for him….I like that drive…he is a little out of tune with where he is heding but he’ll realize that once he gets there. The fact he will be out to prove he is as good as Mcdavid is going to drive this kid to do whatever it takes….my fault is not with his attitude as muhc as witht he one blurb I keep haring…about using teammates. That part is what does bother me…you have to pass the puck…you try that stuff too much in the NHL and one dman will force you into the middle while the other lies in wait like they talked about before the game. I think if he is that talented then yout ake a chance on him.

    • krob1000 says:

      The Montreal Canadiens select with the number 26 pick….Josh Ho Sang. I say sign him….uber talent, speed to burn, a knack for the net and if yo are wonderin why? we have a secret weapon … Michel Therien who specializes in better person making! I think he will grow up in due time….right now he does not understand the importance of being a teammate and it is understandable. He is chasing his dream adn the OHL pays him 40 bucks a week while the tema rakes in big bucks so people can watch him play…for him right now he is looking out for no 1. Whne he gets to the pros this will not fly….but by then he will probably be more mature and have a better understanding…if not…then trade him becausse he will liekly be producing wherever he ends up. I think it is easy fo rhim to have this attitued surrounded by other kids but in a ocker room full of respected professionals it may be a little different…I think I would take the gamble…..he is driven….a little immature but definitely driven….not unlike our friendly neighbourhood Norris trophy winner in Montreal.

      • Chris says:

        I saw him 2 or 3 times this season and I can’t say I was particularly impressed. I’ve heard nothing but rave reviews about him as a player, but it didn’t really translate onto the ice in the games I saw.

        Take that with a grain of salt, though, because Guelph was a very tough team for opposing players to shine against. I’d still rather take Goldobin, who I think is a more natural goal-scorer. And if it comes down to Fabbri vs. Ho-Sang, I’d rather have Fabbri. The two differ only by 3/4″ in height, and I think both guys have outstanding talent.

        • krob1000 says:

          I have not seen him play …seen plenty of highlights. What entices me the most is the speed and scoring combination to me those are the two most unteachable skills. The fact he ahs plenty of frame to gain some size at his height, the fact he is the fastest in the class amke me want to gamble. I know the HAbs won;t but at no 26 the possiblity you are getting a top 5 -10 talent is pretty intriguing when it is only cockiness and a an overzealous drive to be the best? ick him

          • Chris says:

            I am not at all convinced he is the fastest in his class. He and Fabbri are comparable in terms of speed. Nikolaj Ehlers and Jake Virtanen were the consensus fastest skaters in the draft.

          • krob1000 says:

            hmm…you would know these guys better than I as I only go by what I read and I know you are a huge OHL fan…I was under impression Ho Sang was right there as fastest

          • Chris says:

            Rob: He is definitely up there, but Ehlers from the QMJHL (I haven’t seen him) is supposed to be head and shoulders ahead of the crowd. My favourite comment on him is that he skates like a figure skater with the puck in traffic, effortlessly blowing past people forwards or backwards, but always in control.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Sadly, my sense is that Bergevin and Therrien are the old-school types who would shun a guy like Ho-Sang.

      Moving. Forward.

      • johnnylarue says:

        I think you’re right, Dipsy.

        But no doubt about it, this kid could be a major game-breaker. I’d pick him in a heartbeat at #26 if he was still available.

      • Mad Habber says:

        I don’t know I think it will all depend on what Timmons thinks about him on draft day. I read this article and I don’t get what scouts are so afraid of here. To me it sounds like some of the carp levelled at Subban at times. So he plays a little selfishly, if he is helping the team then what does it matter. To me his attitude doesn’t seem all that bad (just by going what the article says). At #26 there are going to be some question marks regardless of the player, if he is as talented at they say he is I say he is worth the gamble.

    • BJ says:

      Pick him if he’s available come our turn.

    • shiram says:

      Great read, thanks for sharing. He seems like a very interesting kid, and not just hockey wise.

    • bwoar says:

      I want this guy drafted. If teams are dumb enough to pass on him over his ‘attitude’ – let us be wise and reap the benefits.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Someone whose confidence borders on arrogance can be a serious issue for team chemistry. Hockey is a team sport, and if the individual puts him/herself above the team, that is a major problem. Not because it affects the individual’s performance, but because it affects the way the rest of the team plays.

      It is that sort of criticism that has been leveled at Subban, and at times he has played like an individual and gotten away from the team concept. But I have never heard him speak about himself in the way that Ho-Sang is quoted as speaking in that interview. Honestly, I can see why teams are a bit hesitant to rank him high. If he falls, some team (maybe MTL) can capitalize on his talent. But whoever drafts him will have to be prepared to walk away if his ego becomes a albatross.

    • veryhabby says:

      Pretty sure that one team drafting late in 1st round that said they wouldn’t ever draft him as he goes against the type of players they are looking for in the organization…is MTL. So ppl stop wishing it ain’t happening!

      Wonder if MB would have ever drafted PK if he was at the helm that year?

  33. Kfourn says:

    One of my friends Who is a leafs fan just told me that the Habs traded Subban to the leafs…so I came here to verify…obviously he’s trolling.
    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Did he at least make it believable with us getting Dion?

      • Kfourn says:

        Haha no Reilly and a few draft picks

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

      • frontenac1 says:

        Hey Burly! What’s with those Laff fans? Yesterday one of my buddies at the Saloon was fantasizing about Phaneuf going to Fla for their 1st pick and PK will end up in TO! He was only on his 2nd pint so we naturally became very concerned. Poor bugger.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I’ve found that if I feed Leaf fans Jager, they either smarten up quick or pass out. Problem is, I’m buying a great deal of Jager these days, especially during the German soccer games.

          Almost landed a big deal in Kingston recently, thought I was going to be able to have a monthly visit there. Too bad, didn’t work out.

          CHeers brother!

          • frontenac1 says:

            Damn! That would have been good amigo. Walkabouts in The Limestone City! Well, maybe not so good for getting work done,but great for Spirituality. Saludos!

  34. jols says:

    Crazy game between Argentina and Nigeria. Loving it.

  35. BJ says:

    I posted this very early this morning and thought it might be worth a post again for those who came on board later today.
    Good morning HIO friends. Here is a link I would like to forward to Lucic and Suarez. Its well worth the minutes.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      HIO should watch this.

      Saw it this morning — 5-min demonstration of the exact opposite of Lucic’s notion of the handshake and Suarez’ oral fixation.

      Click on the link!

  36. ClutchNGrab says:

    You got to love Toronto media with their meaningless articles (the Ekblad part) and title like BOLLAND LIKELY TO HIT MARKET, LEAFS INTERESTED IN EKBLAD just to create traffic on their site.

    They should look at what has been written in the past and learn from it, like this:


    Or this:


  37. Newf_Habster says:

    It seems to me that the Laffs are letting Dave Bolland go to enter in FA market on July 1st. I want to see Habs sign him on a long term contract because he got all kinds of tools which will help Habs greatly on PP, SH and ES situations.

    His 2013-2014 salary is only $3.375 millions dollars so lets offer him six years and $5M per season.


  38. TheCanadianDagger says:

    Just so I’m clear… teams are able to reach out and say to a player what they will be willing to offer come July 1st. Can there be negotiations? And nothing legal can be in place until July 1st, right? Opens the door for someone to get burned, I like!

    • von says:

      No, that would be tampering. Players that are under contract are exclusive to the team that owns their rights.

      That’s why teams can trade for a players rights so they can try and do a deal before July 1st when the bidding is wide open.


      “Obviously it would be great, but they don’t really hang conference titles in this rink. They raise Stanley Cup banners.” – Carey Price

    • Chris says:

      They can pitch the city and the franchise, they can discuss the role they envision for the player, and other hockey-related matters.

      They cannot talk contract details (term, money, etc.) until July 1st.

      • TheCanadianDagger says:

        So Chez Parée makes its way into pitches then?

      • Ozmodiar says:

        No, contract parameters *can* be discussed.

        • TheCanadianDagger says:

          So what they can or are willing to offer? And they player can say what they are looking for? But no negotiations?

          • Ozmodiar says:

            They can talk about term and money, but can’t reach an agreement or make any promises.

            Clubs are permitted to discuss their potential interest in, as well as the general parameters of, a potential future contractual relationship with another Club’s pending RFA or UFA during the applicable ‘interview periods,’ but Clubs may not enter into any agreements, or make any binding offers, promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind, express or implied, oral or written, concerning the terms of a potential SPC with another Club’s pending RFA or UFA.

        • Chris says:

          It really is the most vague rule in hockey history…here’s the memo they sent out to the league GM’s 3 weeks ago:

          “After discussions with a number of general managers, we have revised and hopefully clarified with regard to last summer the permissible parameters of player contract and communication during the applicable interview periods.
          “Please be advised that clubs are permitted to discuss the potential interest in as well as general parameters of a potential future contractual relationship with another club’s pending RFA or UFA during the applicable interview periods. The clubs may not enter any agreements or make any binding offers, promises, … oral or written concerning the terms of a potential SPC (standard players contract) with another club’s pending RFA or UFA.”

          As you said, contract parameters can be discussed, but only in the general sense. Michael Russo, the Minnesota Wild beat writer that got the memo, gave an example:

          “So in other words, teams and agents can now discuss the general parameters of a deal, as in, “I’ll be looking for a seven-year deal at around $5 million annually,” etc., meaning now players and agents at least know where each other is at heading into July 1 and know who’s in the game and who isn’t.”

          Honestly, I don’t see that things have changed much. We already know through leaks to the media what players are looking for in general terms: Subban wants a max-level deal north of Pietrangelo, etc.

          What it does allow is for teams to find out if they are even in the running and whether there is any room to move on those generally known items (would Subban take a short-term offer-sheet from a contender?).

          • TheCanadianDagger says:

            Most vague rule in hockey history, which lives for vague rules.

            So basically they can hammer out all the details, but as long as they finish with “But I can’t make any promises *wink*”, it’s all good.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Right, so basically:

            They cannot talk reach an agreement or make any promises on contract details (term, money, etc.) until July 1st.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Exactly, ‘dagger.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree Oz, nothing really vague about this, league is simply trying to make it look more believable when all the signings are announced after the 5 day period.

          • Chris says:

            HiB: Pretty vague…there is confusion over whether you can discuss specific terms or just general ballpark figures (as if they can police that!), and whether RFA’s are included or not (the original memo said yes, Bob McKenzie is now saying no).

            That, my friends, is vintage NHL right there. 🙂

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am amazed Mckenzie doesn’t have the details of RFA versus UFA, given how far his cranium has been placed in the NHL’s colon you would think this detail would be known to him as matter of factly.

            But the negotiation thing, I don’t find vague, if you make it okay for two sides to talk, you know they are talking contract. Who is kidding who, only the signatures aren’t done, and the NHL knows this.

            But the fact the NHL continues to have things muddled is indeed no surprise. Yet I keep being told how brilliant Bettman is….. he may make the league money but he runs as loosey goosey a ship as there is.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            🙂 GM’s and agents aren’t going to get on the phone and think “hmmm, can I say this?”. They’re going to talk dollars and terms, and the league knows it. The league doesn’t care.

            The league sent out the memo so, come July 1st, there won’t be any players claiming a verbal agreement was in place. These can be legally binding.

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            I think it changes a lot because you will not have that desperate high offer to the one guy you really want on July 1. That was how you got contract like Clarkson’s in Toronto, team was desperate and threw out an offer way bigger than anyone else’s. Those situations are less likely to happen now.

  39. Timo says:

    THere’s gotta be a way to somehow steal RDS’s Montreal feed. Some little black box you can get somewhere on kijiji or ebay.

  40. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Like this rule where you can talk to FAs early. July 1st should be busy as most deals will have been already negotiated by then. Also, maybe there will be more trades on draft day as teams will know where they stand with the UFAs. Can’t wait for Friday.

    • 24 Cups says:

      What I don’t understand is with this new six day UFA/RFA window, teams still trade low end picks to talk with and sign players such as Edmonton just did with Nikitin or the Islanders attempted to do with Boyle.

      24 Cups

  41. krob1000 says:

    Matt Greene 4 yr deal rumoured to be 10 million. 2.5 for a tough stay at home RH dman from age 31-35. Would you offer 12 and move Gorges?

    • Timo says:

      Hell yeah. Move Gorges or Emelin or … gulp… Franky Bouillon even.
      Of course, Therrien would most likely play him on his wrong side and try to make him a better person.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Good article on Subban. It has been discussed heavily on this board, and I’ve discussed with family and friends many times. In my mind, there is undoubtedly a racial component to the treatment Subban gets. It’s sad, but I really believe it is true. And I guess if we are honest about it, it is just a part of human nature that is taking a very long time to over come. Or maybe it is happening quickly and we just can’t see it yet.

      All cultural groups/communities have some fear of “the other”. Try being a white minority in Africa, Asia or South America. Try being black in Asia. Try being Muslim in Western Europe or Jewish in, well, pretty much anywhere outside Canada, the U.S. or Israel. Canada is far ahead of many countries in terms of cultural integration and respect, but until we all even out our complexions and cut our histories loose, there will always be bias. The key is recognizing it, setting it aside, and acknowledging excellence regardless of where it comes from.

      PK is one of the league’s true superstars, and the market-makers and business minds should recognize that he presents an opportunity to grow the game in ways no other player can do. The Habs are extremely lucky to have him.

  42. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

    I read the argument below where Hab fans have basically had it good over the last number of years in regards to being able to watch all games, nationally, on one network at one price… and that the majority of the games now being blacked out with fans being forced to find much more expensive alternatives being described as “closing a loophole”. In other words, suck it up.

    I’ve investigated why I won’t just suck it up and pay more. My family doesn’t have a lot of disposable income, so we have to pick and choose on what we want to spend our leisure dollars. Being Hab fans, we justified the $7/month addition to our cable bill, getting roughly 3 hours of entertainment for 60 cents per game during the regular season. With these changes, my cost to access the same content will skyrocket will over 400%. Imagine if gas increased in cost that much overnight. Drivers would be finding less expensive modes of transportation, not paying the extra with the thought that the good times have come to an end because a “loophole” has been closed.

    Perhaps the discussion shouldn’t be about Hab fans in the majority of the country losing easy access to their team. Rather, it should be about why only Hab fans have had it good when it comes to enjoying their team, regardless of where they live in Canada. RDS wasn’t making every Canadiens game available to anyone who wanted them out of the goodness of their heart. They wouldn’t have been doing it if it lost them money, and the numbers back it up: during the playoffs, at times RDS was drawing 3.5 million people, with a third of those from outside of Quebec. To put it in perspective, a good draw for NBC in the States was 900,000. Clearly, there’s money to be made by making every game available.

    Blackouts nearly killed the CFL because of the short-sighted thinking that if a game wasn’t on TV then a fan would instead wander down to the stadium and buy a ticket. The league wanted their money NOW. Instead, generations of kids grew up without ever having been exposed to Canadian football. High schools (mine included) shut down their football programs because kids weren’t interested in playing.

    The opposite is true in regards to the Canadiens. Aside from serving a local fan base that can’t get a ticket to a game, the RDS broadcasts allowed ex-Quebeckers like myself to stay in touch with the team, as well as gather others from around the country. Just because you grew up in Edmonton didn’t mean that you had to be an Oiler fan. Canadiens sweaters are in abundance in visitor arenas around the country and on the ponds and rinks where they learn to skate, and on the roads where nets are pulled aside upon the shout of “car!”

    So why can’t a fan of the Canucks enjoy his team’s games if he now lives in Ottawa? Why not allow a Flames fan in the Maritimes to follow their team as closely as we have been able to follow ours? A long-term thinking league and broadcaster would want to maximize the number of fans of all teams in all corners of the country. Fans that not only go to games, but that also buy merchandise and subscribe to cable packages to follow their team, at a reasonable price. Every game is already being broadcast in one form or another, so it’s not even a question of resources. Flip the switch and give Canuck, Oiler, Flame, Jet, Leaf, Senator and Hab fans what they want, and grow the game for the future.

    Certainly, the technology is there. It’s the digital age. We’re talking about transmitting a bunch of 1’s and 0’s. The cable services have the bandwidth to provide every Canadian game to every market. RDS was doing it nationally at roughly $7 per subscriber and making money. Then along came Rogers and their new deal with the NHL, and won’t do it (or rather, won’t allow RDS to do it) because they want to make MORE money off the backs of Hab fans. Hey, they’ve got to recoup some of that $5-billion somehow.

    Unfortunately, in my household the NHL and Rogers will be missing 60 opportunities this season to reinforce in my young daughter’s mind that she wants to be a fan of the Montreal Canadiens and NHL hockey. She will find other things to do occupy her time, and will do so for the next 12 years of this agreement. If Rogers and the NHL continue to price their content our of our budget, what are the chances that she’ll be a hardcore fan like myself when the Rogers deal ends when she’s in her mid-teens? I’d find it easier to lay my money on a Maple Leaf Stanley Cup by then.

    Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Great Post Chuck! Between finding this website and being able to order RDS thus allowing me to watch every Hab game, has completely helped recreate the die hard passion for the Habs inside me.

      I am sure next season, when I don’t get the RDS games at that price, that I will probably wane in my interest level. I will still check scores, watch highlights and visit this site. But my level of fandom will be reduced.

      Reducing a fans passion for the game, can’t help a Network like Rogers get my business. Therefore, to me this business decision by Bettman and Rogers, hasn’t helped them in the long run, as it relates to me individually the consumer.

    • Chris says:

      “With these changes, my cost to access the same content will skyrocket will over 400%. Imagine if gas increased in cost that much overnight. Drivers would be finding less expensive modes of transportation, not paying the extra with the thought that the good times have come to an end because a “loophole” has been closed.”

      I hate to break it to you, but this has already happened. A significant number of my friends bike or walk everywhere because of the high cost of gas and car insurance. The Toronto Star ran an article a few months back on why so many 20 somethings don’t buy cars.

      The same goes for home ownership…many people in my age bracket and younger simply aren’t buying because the cost has gotten beyond their means. Electricity rates (which remain artificially LOW, despite all the whining about them) have gone up, so people are starting to adjust their lifestyles.

      It goes on and on. My point below was that the NHL is a business, not a cultural institution. You asked why a Canucks fan should be allowed to watch every game each year. The answer is that they can…for a price that is set by the providers of that product.

      The NHL will continue to set the price higher and higher to grow their revenues until the point that you describe, where they price themselves out of the means of enough people that they actually damage their business model.

      In this case, the NHL already knows what fan bases are willing to absorb because the other 29 teams were already there. Montreal fans were the last ones on that bus.

  43. Habfan17 says:

    The Habs and Gionta are talking. Now other teams are speaking with Gionta. It could be that MB reached out to Gionta to show he did try, maybe not very hard, and Gionta got a better offer elsewhere.
    At least that is wh
    at I am hoping!


    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think Jersey will offer him a big contract to go back. I kind of want Montreal to put up a really big great offer, and then have someone else come in to beat it. He feels like a guy we should try to sign, but might be better off long term if we dont.

  44. Mike D says:

    I wonder how many teams are talking to Subban today? I’d guess in the neighbourhood of 30.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Kooch7800 says:

      RFA is a little different. I don’t think they can talk to him unless he is UFA, no?

      • Habfan17 says:

        They said on team 1200, it is all free agents.


        • Kooch7800 says:

          Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 2h
          Correction: Teams can talk only to UFAs, not RFAs, between now and July 1st.

          • Mike D says:

            My bad. It was his previous tweet that led me to believe they could talk to RFA’s as well.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • Just a Habs Fan says:

            So don’t you guys think the agents talk to teams year round and know of how much interest there is for a given player. Surely you don’t swallow the BS that teams can’t discuss a player that is currently playing for another team. Let’s say for instance PK’s agent doesn’t know how much money there is available from other teams as a bargaining tool for PK and MB. Is there a feeling that agents and teams are honourable in these sort of things. Please don’t say it is so…please I have only recently become skeptical about human nature and humans corrupt nature.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        They can talk, but I still can’t see that many teams actually talking to him. Montreal has the money and room to match.

        • Mike D says:

          I agree Burly. But don’t discount the fact they could still handicap what Montreal pays for him. If even a handful of teams go in there and start talking 8.5mil x 7 years then it can only serve to increase Subban’s asking price (assuming it’s less than that).

          They don’t even have to mean it….they could do it just to drive up what Montreal pays for him.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

          • Just a Habs Fan says:

            Could drive up his trade value also….there are two sides to these ideas.

    • Chris says:

      Probably more like 5. Unless you have the cap space to offer him $7+ million per season AND you own your next two first rounders plus second and third rounders in next year’s draft, you can’t even make him an offer (you can’t use picks acquired from other teams).

      I think the Habs match any bid up to the $8.4 million threshold, at which time the compensation jumps to your next 4 first round picks, a price that few teams in the NHL would be willing to stomach.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He is an RFA they can’t talk to him. Only Unrestricted FA’s

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I believe it is all Free agents Kooch, UFA and RFA.


          • Kooch7800 says:

            Hi Burly,

            I think that article is incorrect. From my understanding it is only UFA’s. if I am wrong, it would really kind of defeat the purpose of the RFA and would just drive up pricing of players even worse than it is now. I think the only way you can go after an RFA is with an offer sheet.

            I can’t see it being RFA’s. I have been wrong on other things though in the past.

            McKenzie is also saying only UFA’s

        • Chris says:

          All free agents can be talked to. What they cannot do is offer those free agents (restricted or unrestricted) any contract details. Of course, this has always happened anyways, but they are just trying to minimize the tampering cries.

          An offer sheet IS the only way to go after an RFA, but you have to realize that this is a contract offer, just like one might do for a UFA. The only difference is that the team owning the RFA’s rights has the right to match that contract and to compensation if they opt not to match.

          • habsr4ever says:

            No way teams can talk to RFA’s. Come on people. RFA’s are completely different than UFA’s – let’s get serious.
            Any how – certainly looks like Habs aren’t signing PK prior to July 1. It may take an offer sheet to get this done. Kind of shocked we haven’t signed him already and wasn’t our priority to get done BEFORE Markov.
            I am hoping we don’t sign Gionta. Enough with the smurfs already. We have enough leaders and smurfs. He and his little bro can sign together with another team as they are both UFA’s on July 1.
            Eller – well this is going to be interesting how long and how much we pay for Lars. I hope its long term. Five years cuz we should get a deal cuz he had a awful season.

          • Chris says:

            Here’s the relevant passage from the memo:

            “After discussions with a number of general managers, we have revised and hopefully clarified with regard to last summer the permissible parameters of player contract and communication during the applicable interview periods.
            “Please be advised that clubs are permitted to discuss the potential interest in as well as general parameters of a potential future contractual relationship with another club’s pending RFA or UFA during the applicable interview periods. The clubs may not enter any agreements or make any binding offers, promises, … oral or written concerning the terms of a potential SPC (standard players contract) with another club’s pending RFA or UFA.”

            So RFA and UFA players are treated the same way.

    • New says:

      None. He is a RFA. RFA can get signed offer sheets presented by their agents. The RFA can sign the offer sheet. The offer sheet is then presented to his team. I think that all happens after 1 Jul and if their is no arbitration filed. Anyway, there is no talking, just yes or no. The team either matches the offer and it is over, the player must sign. Or the team declines and he must sign with the offering team. You don’t juggle offers. You sign one or you don’t.

      • Chris says:

        I don’t believe that this is true at all.

        You can juggle RFA offer sheets. Once you SIGN one, then it is locked in. The team owning the RFA’s rights has the right to match the offer sheet that the player has accepted or to take the compensatory package that is in line with the value of the ccontract.

        There is nothing at all in the wording of the CBA that prevents an RFA and his agent from talking to all 30 teams.

  45. CJ says:

    So, Callahan turned down an offer from the Rangers, reported to be $6.5 million over 6 years, only to sign for less ($5.8 million) with the Lightning. Sure, taxes might make this a wash, but that’s a lot of money to gamble with.

    I wonder if Vanek might find himself in a similar situation. Vanek turned down a reported $50 million dollar, 7 seven offer from the Isles. Will he get more as a free agent? I don’t know. I can’t imagine someone paying more, but in a world in which David Bolland is asking for an 8 year extension at $5 million annually, anything is possible.

    I like Callahan and he does bring more than goal scoring to the table, but my goodness, that’s a lot of clams for a guy who had 36 points and has a never played a full seaon in the league. IMO, this could end up being Clarkson 2.0. Maybe even Mike Peca, who I have always thought played a very similar game.

    As others have said, more mistakes will be made in the next two weeks than at any point this season. Patience….steady as she goes.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      100% CJ. He is a 4.5 mill a season guy in my books if not 4 mill.

      Vanek might end up leaving some cash on the table but he puts up some points during the regular season and the lack of good FA this year I think he will still get his money. It won’t be in Montreal.

      Sadly, we really need a player who can score. During the regular season he looked like a perfect fit and exactly what we were lacking.

      I hope MB can find something to replace that…won’t be easy. 29 other teams will be doing the same

    • Forum Dog says:

      I’m thinking that the Tampa situation is a good one for Callahan. He goes in there and assumes a role in the leadership group, but isn’t going to be counted on to actually lead the team or produce big offensive numbers. He can be a complimentary top-six forward who still gets a top-3 paycheque. Tampa has a good young team, and there are likely to be plenty of winning seasons ahead. If he had resigned in NY he would have been the face of the franchise and had more expected of him than he could deliver.

      The chance to play and win with Stamkos probably convinced him to knock a few hundred thousand off the asking price. And while I agree that he is a bit overpaid, I’d be hesitant to compare him to Clarkson. He brings considerably more to the table IMO.

    • Phil C says:

      Dominic Moore gambled and lost with free agency as well a few years ago. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

      As for Vanek, more money would not make me chose the Isles. It is hitting that balance between money and lifestyle. Many cynical people think that these players only chase the dollars, but I really don’t think that’s always true. I would say who you are working for and playing with and where you are living affects the quality of their lives more than a few million dollars either way once you are already as rich as Vanek.

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        I think you are dead wrong on the money issue but I have never had 50 million dollars to allow me the convenience of making where I live a choice for the most part…..I have experienced the feelings of thinking I needed more money when I had reached a goal for myself in life though….be it a modest amount. I still worked in 3rd world conditions because you never have enough money it seems…well I didn’t think I did. I was making 3 times what I would have in Canada so I stayed overseas for a few years to add to the retirement savings. Eventually I did retire and now I seem to have enough money for what I need in life. So I doubt having a few million is security enough for pro atheletes. The more you make the more you think you deserve and want. I think this is true for most.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      Well, there are a lot of variables. As the Rangers’ captain, the team that drafted him, it is possible that his agent had a certain perception of his value. After Callahan has been traded a team where the main leader will be Steven Stamkos for the rest of his carreer, the perception probably changed.

      For Vanek, I’m 100% sure the Islanders would present him the exact same offer if they thought he would sign there. Remember, he got his previous contract by signing an offer sheet from Edmonton. If he signs for less, it will not be because no gm would offer him a similar contract. Money is not the only factor.

    • New says:

      11 goals in 35 games, 25 points all together. Shoots good though, about 14%.

      $5,250,000 for 4 is about all he is worth and that is figuring he could turn his playoff game around. You might get badly burned with that even.

      I see him like Eric Cole. Motivated he is a lion out there. Unmotivated you just wish he’d go away.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      The fact that he signed it without testing the open market though, and maybe getting more, suggests to me that he may have just wanted out of New York, and be happy in Florida.

  46. ClutchNGrab says:

    Hey people, how did you let that happen?


  47. howiemorenz7 says:

    Oh Gawd – Reporters say no contract offer for Weaver, but they are talking to Gio. WTF.

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

  48. Hobie says:

    OK, no more depressing talk about how Soccer and Rogers suck! Go Habs Go!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Long Weekend coming up Hobie, weather looks great as well. Time to enjoy the summer as only we Canadians can. Can’t wait for the long weekend, enjoy Hobie, I’ll hoist a tall frosty can and give you a CHeers!

      But I am still in World Cup Mode, sorry…..

      • Hobie says:

        It’s going to be a great weekend. I’m on vacation next week too! I’ll be in Toronto later next week but the Jays are unfortunately on the road!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          If you find yourself on the West End of T.O. getting near Burlington, leave a post and we can find a way to get together for a frosty bud. Would be great to meet you.


          • Hobie says:

            Agreed. Unfortunately my folks live in Port Perry which is North East of the city. I don’t think we’ll be heading downtown. I’d love to meet you too pal and was planning on being at the Summit this year no matter what! We had a bit of a surprise a few months ago though. We’re expecting a baby boy in mid October :-). So I think I might be a tad busy and money will be tied up :-).

          • frontenac1 says:

            Hey! Congrats Amigo! If you are ever down in Kingston, I’d love to buy you a pint in celebration. Saludos!

          • Hobie says:

            You guys are awesome. We will meet one day. I look forward to reading both of your comments on this site every time I log on. I often call the girlfriend over to read some of your comments front because I’m laughing so hard.

            If either of you guys are passing through Ottawa, please, please, let me know and we’ll grab a few beers together!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Great news on the baby Hobie! Awesome, enjoy time with your folks!

  49. Mike D says:

    re: Weaver

    Stubbs’ tweet intimates that Weaver won’t even get an offer from the Habs. To me, that’s the surprising part.

    Mind you, it doesn’t say that there were no talks between the two sides so maybe MB and Weaver’s agent talked about a contract and because Weaver’s side wouldn’t budge on something (term most likely), MB didn’t bother making an offer.

    Considering Weaver is a righty, who played very well for us and wouldn’t be asking for a huge contract, I’m a little surprised there wasn’t even an offer. Especially when you consider MB’s penchant for having a few extra Dmen.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Chris says:

      I’ve been banking on that Weaver, a 36 year old undersized defenceman, would not be back because the Habs want to give Pateryn or Tinordi that spot. That is also why I wasn’t bent out of shape about Markov getting re-signed…it was either Markov, Weaver or some other veteran for Markov’s job, and Bouillon and Weaver’s jobs were going to the kids.

      • Mike D says:

        I hear what you’re saying and don’t necessarily disagree. It’s just that considering MB likes to have a few extra Dmen on hand, Weaver was perfect for the 6/7 spot and wouldn’t have been costly.

        Like others have speculated, he may want a multi-year deal though which could have turned MB off from making an offer in the first place.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Chris says:

          People keep forgetting that Davis Drewiske is signed with the team, and Bergevin liked him a lot. He was a non-factor last season due to his shoulder injury and surgery, but I suspect he will be kept around as the 7th D. He is big, he can move okay, and he’s cheap.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Don’t forget we have Drewiskie still. (Not sure if I am being sarcastic or not, he was injured last year)

      • krob1000 says:

        To me this is very, very disappointing…. it means team is keepin gboth Emelin and Gorges meaning someone if ot 2 dmen will be playing their wrong side again. Emelin has proven he struggles on the right and Gorges does not have the stick skills. MB is missing a golden opportunity to have someone who plays the role of Gorges or Emelin at a fraction of the cost and for a time frame that would likely be a better fit with Pateryn, Nygren,etc. Mike Weaver could be a veri big piece of the puzzle if the Habs are willing to mover Gorges or Emelin. I really hope they find a way to get it done.

        Maybe…maybe HAbs are tareting a better RH d? Buff, Niskanen,M Greene etc

        • Chris says:

          Emelin and Gorges are playing for one job next season…I firmly believe that. There is no way that Bergevin is rolling with Emelin, Gorges and Tinordi, three guys with zero offensive ability, moving forwards. So one of those guys is getting dealt later this season or next summer. Emelin is getting a chance to show that last season was a remnant of the recovery from his knee surgery.

          Emelin was fine on the right in his first season, so let’s wait to pass judgement on that until after we see what he can do with a proper off-season.

          Gorges is the guy on the hot-seat…he’s a leader on the team, but like you said, he has zero puck skill. He’s attractive to teams needing a mentor for their kids (Edmonton? Florida?), but that salary hit for a guy who can only block shots is a bit too high.

          • krob1000 says:

            I sure hope so….I thought Weaver was the perfect vehicle to make moving one of those other guys possible right away.

    • Hobie says:

      If the Habs sign Weaver it means less time for the kids who need ice time to become better than Weaver.

      • krob1000 says:

        Which kid plays the right side? Pateryn? he is the furthest down the chart…or are we going to put a kid in a position to fail and play him on his off side or with a partner who is playing his offside and doesn’t possess the skillset to do so? The RH dmen in system are Pateryn, Nygren, Thrower and Deitz…..in all likelihood only Pateryn has a shot at any ice time this year. By keeping Gorges, Emelin and Markov…there is nowhere to break through on the left side. Beaulieu and Tinordi seem primed to make the jump…but again no spots on left sdie…Emelin is scary on the right and I would not want to see Gorges on his offside either.

        • Mike D says:

          Gorges has played on the right before and did fine there.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

        • Chris says:

          Pateryn is the right-handed shot, and I think he is actually ahead of Tinordi on the chart. Pateryn played strongly all season in Hamilton, while Tinordi was up and down. Pateryn also has NHL size (6’4″, 222 pounds) and he doesn’t mind being physical. Maybe he can become Markov’s new Komisarek? 🙂

          Gorges played the best hockey of his career, his years with Gill as a partner, on the right side. I have no problem with him moving back to that side. Gorges also played reasonably well with Markov.

          I would be curious to see how pairings of Emelin-Subban and Markov-Gorges would look. I think Therrien has locked in too strongly on Markov-Emelin because of the Russian connection, making other perhaps better team possibilities moot.

          • krob1000 says:

            I still have nightmares of that pairing Gill/Gorges. The shifts were definitely all about them as the puck never left the HAbs end, and was always allowed to very easily enter it. Then thye would lie on the ice (something I would not have the courage to do…but not the point) and get praised for their shoblocking. Well if someone else was on the ice they may not have to block those shots. Also at that time Gorges was playing a bottom pair role which IMO is where he should be on a good team…also his salary was a fraction of what it is now so what he delivered was offset.

          • tophab says:

            gorges=bum = get rid of him .

            anybody is better than him.,

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think you are right. I would guess Habs offered a good one year deal, Weaver will want more. Weaver has not made much, but showed a lot of grit this year, and I think someone will offer him two or three years. I like the guy, would love to see someone offer him 2 million per for 2 or 3 years.

  50. Chelios24 says:

    Bergevin is getting credit that Gauthier/Gainey probably deserve more than him. Yes his trade deadline moves were good and showed guts so he deserves credit for that. But anyone would/could have drafted Galchenyuk with the #3 overall pick in 2012 draft that he inherited.

    It also bothers me that he doesn’t seem to publicly challenge his team to be the best (or a strong Cup contender) and he looks to always backtrack or set the bar lower on expectations for the Habs. Why are Habs any less mature or potentially ready to win than The Rangers for instance? Ok, Gallagher, Galchenyuk and Bournival (assuming he’s actually going to be a good regularly contributing top 3 line NHL player) are young but he and Therrien talk about Subban like he’s a first or second year player. Drew Doughty is the same age as Subban. Lafleur, Shutt and Gainey were Cup winners and league all-stars at Pacioretty and Eller’s age. Step-up and challenge the team instead of babying them!

    • Mike D says:

      Drew Doughty is younger than Subban. Only by about 7 months, but he was drafter in 2008 where as Subban was drafted in 2007, so basically a 1 year difference in terms of hockey-age.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Forum Dog says:

      I think that Gainey and Gauthier take more flak than they deserve, especially since a lot of the current pieces were drafted or developed under their watch. They are guilty of a few major mistakes however, and should have to own them. Gomez is high on that list, as is the handling of Cammalleri, Jacques Martin, Randy Cunneyworth, etc. And that comes from someone who is a big Gainey fan. The silver lining is that those mistakes did allow them the opportunity to draft Galchenyuk.

      On the flip side, I think MB does deserve a lot of the credit he gets, especially when it comes to the management team he has put in place and the methodical approach he has to contract management. He hasn’t overpaid on any of the deals (contracts or trades) he has made, and having a stable of hockey minds like Dudley, Mellanby, and Carriere shows that he takes a collaborative approach and respects the input of others. That is key in this day and age.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Gainey and the Goat did a lot of good but also made some MAJOR mistakes. Blowing up the team to get Gomez, Gio and Cammy, was a big mistake. Should have kept Koivu. The McD trade could really have cost us a cup.

        MB is much better at protecting assets and realizing some stability is needed and I 100% agree he has added the right people around him to try and change the culture of the team and develop players

        • Forum Dog says:

          Agreed. At the time I liked the the Cammy signing, and understood the Gomez trade and Gio signing as means of competing immediately. Which they did. In hindsight the Gomez thing was a debacle, and Cammy didn’t fare much better. But Gio is still around and has been a valuable player for MTL in the 5 years he’s been there. It was tough to lose Koivu, especially when you think that he has performed better than Gomez since his departure.

          I guess my point is that, without those players, MTL doesn’t go to the Conference Final in 2010, and probably struggles to get to the playoffs in the years between 2009 and 2012. They needed some vets to help bring the young guys along.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            100% agree. Not making the playoffs for a few years may have actually been better for us draft wise though. The conference finals was 100% fluke and was all on the backs of Halak. We had no business being there. This year was much more of a team effort.

      • Chelios24 says:

        Do you like the contracts Bergevin gave to Markov, Emelin, Desharnais and Moen? (I’d add Gorges but he may have been a Gauthier signing?)

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          Markov yes. DD, on a points per dollar scale, is still reasonable. Emelin looked good at the time, hopefully he is better this year. Moen, was a bt to long, hopefully they trade him for a draft pick, or better yet, Moen retires. Seems like a great guy, don’t want him having concussion issues later.

    • krob1000 says:

      How old was that bum Ray Bourque? at least he won one…what about Marcel Dionne, Pat Lafontaine, Phil Housley, Peter Stastny, Gilbert Perreult, Mike Gartner, Adam Oates, Mats Sundin, Eric Lindros, PAvel Bure,etc,etc

    • Phil C says:

      Sometimes you are only as good as your worst mistake. The core of the team in 2011 was the same as 2012. The first team finished last in the Eastern conference, the second team won it’s division. The difference was Bergevin made sure all the roster positions were filled with veterans, while Gauthier gambled with rookies that didn’t work out. He also got unlucky with injuries which made the decision to have so many rookies even worse.

      If Gauthier had picked up a few serviceable defensemen and a fourth line centre in free agency (which would had been fairly cheap), and a proper replacement for Hamrlik, he might still be the GM.

  51. Apparently Ryan Callahan has signed a 6 year deal with Tampa at 5.8m per season according to TSN?

  52. 123456 says:

    weaver will not return – my guess is his worth increased greatly with the habs run, and we will be “surprised” by how much he gets. he is a depth guy in habs-land and i’m sure he wants to be 3 or 4 dman.

    someone mentioned vanek below – anyone think about the relationship between MT and MB? there are plenty of GM’s that would have stuck their nose into the coaches business trying to keep vanek on the top line.

    did I hear something about a new TV deal??

  53. SmartDog says:

    This is the guy Craig Button picked for us in his mock draft:

    Played U22 in Russia as a 15 year old. A 6’1″ C, who is said to compete hard all over the ice. Sounds pretty good if it were to happen.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I can’t believe he will fall that far. Makes no sense.

      • Chris says:

        He won’t.

        • SmartDog says:

          From what I hear this draft has good quality deep into the second round. Button’s no genius, but he’s pretty good. I figured what he’s saying is that there’s a lot of quality to go around.

          Who do you think is likely then?

          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

          • Chris says:

            That is not the impression of most of the scouts…this year’s draft has been discussed as being pretty shallow. The top-end guys are not particularly top-end compared to most draft years.

            In terms of skill, there are some guys that are ranked far lower than they should be because the draft gurus are putting a big premium on potential and size, guys like McCarron. I think all three of Barbashev and Goldobin ultimately go higher than where Button has slotted them. I also would not at all be surprised to see Detroit take Fabbri at 15…his skill and speed fits the kind of player they love to draft.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Isn’t there a risk with these young Russians that they just stay home in The KHL for various reasons? Why waste a pick?

      • Mike D says:

        One advantage Barbashev has over some other Russian players is that he plays junior hockey in the Q. That typically means they are showing a desire to play in NA (although it’s not a guarantee they don;t leave for Russia at some point in the future).

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

      • Chris says:

        Barbashev and Goldobin came over to Canada, leaving their friends, family and culture behind, at age 16, to pursue their hockey dream.

        Do you remember what you were doing at age 16? Can you imagine moving across the world to Russia?

        I’m not at all worried about Barbashev or Goldobin. It isn’t wasting a pick when you pick a talented guy who absolutely has a bright NHL future as both these guys do.

        The wasted picks are for the guys who are projected to the lower lines, the third and fourth lines. For those guys, there is a bias in the NHL that North American players provide more grit (complete BS, by the way) than their European counterparts, and the European leagues would like to hold on to those guys as third liners and fourth liners are largely interchangeable. As there is often compensation involved in drafting European players to help those leagues continue to develop talent, NHL teams prefer to pick Russians only for skill positions.

    • Habitforming says:

      Truth be told he also had some guys rated 35 making it into the first round. That just won’t happen with guys like Barbashev and Scherbak still waiting for teams to pick them.

      Button is rarely accurate IMO

  54. Thurston says:

    Pierre LeBrun just tweeted the talks between the Canadiens and Brian Gionta are continuing, although other teams are now reaching out to Gionta.

  55. HabinBurlington says:

    I doubt he fits the criteria, but Ryan Malone is now UFA. Wonder if a one year bonus laden deal would be a good offer. He needs a good year this upcoming season to get his final multi year deal.

    I would view signing him, almost as a rental player.

    Or is his character too much in doubt for the Habs, given the arrest he had this past season.


    Edit: Rumours that he is going to Pittsburgh on a one year deal.

  56. CJ says:

    I will say this for Edmonton. Today’s signing goes to show just how hard it must be to try and attract a free agent to that city.

    Canadian markets face a significant challenge in attracting players. Whether it be weather related, taxes, culture, language, politics, media, fan frenzy, privacy, pressure, none of or all of the above, it just seems like it’s an unfair playing field.

    Drafting is the key. I trust we can once again find value throughout this weekend’s draft. Perhaps we might even be able to add a pick through trade. I completely agree with Bergevin when he indicates that the core of a team is built through the draft. Let’s hope we can land some future NHLers this weekend.

    • mrhabby says:

      I bet if the majority of the Canadian teams were consistent in making the playoffs and actually won some cups it would be a different storey.

      • CJ says:

        Maybe. Fair point. Respectfully, I don’t see a lot of Canadian teams with much of a chance at a Stanley Cup. Aside from Montreal – and even then it would take some major pieces falling into place at the same time – I don’t see it happening.

        Revenue is tied very closely to ticket sales. At some point, as ticket prices continue to escalate, the discretionary portion of the fan’s wallet will get smaller. Hobie made some good points this morning on this subject. Canadian teams can not continue to float their American brothers, especially those in the Sun belt. The novelty is starting to wear off in Winnipeg and David Thomson has said he will not sustain losses. Ottawa struggles and hasn’t made money in years. In any event, long way of saying, aside from Montreal, I don’t see a Stanley Cup banner being raised in Canada anytime soon.

    • Mike D says:

      Wow, 4.5mil for Nikitin?

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • myron.selby says:

      As a long time Edmontonian I don’t think the problem is based on the city. Alberta taxes are nowhere near the highest in the country (no sales tax). Sure it’s cold as hell here in the winter but that’s true of most Canadian (and a number of the northern US) cities as well.

      The biggest problem is that the team has been a complete disaster for years now. Other than the one year (2006?) when Pronger and a couple of others played over their heads, they have been plain awful.

      When Gretzky and the 80s Oilers were dominating the league, Sather managed to convince most of the players to sign for below market value in return for getting to play for the team. If they ever get it back together they’ll have no trouble attracting players.

      And speaking of Pronger, he really screwed the Oilers. If I’d been GM I would have left him to rot rather than trade him for such a lousy return. And I was singularly unimpressed with Peca as well. Left town without even mumbling thanks to the fans (of which I’m most definitely not one) for all the support through their almost cup run.

  57. Thurston says:

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 1m
    Re Weaver: Not getting a contract offer by July 1 doesn’t necessarily mean a UFA won’t return. But he is free to shop #Habs #HabsIO

  58. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Too bad about Weaver. Rather have him than Gorges. Anyway, with approximately 22 million being spent on 4 D-men, MB probably wants to go cheaper with the youth. Good news for Pateryn who still has two years left on his entry contract.

  59. mrhabby says:

    yes a great depth signing. looks like the Tiny and NBs time is fast approaching.

  60. Forum Dog says:

    I think the only one of those awards I’d quibble with is the Norris. Keith is a great d-man, no question, but he plays on a stacked team and is heavily insulated. I would have given it to Weber, who led his team in scoring, netted 20+ goals, averaged more than 26 minutes a game on a non-playoff team, and still managed to be only a -1 or -2. I know they can’t factor in the Olympics, but he was a rock for Canada in Sochi as well.

    • Chris says:

      Weber would have been my pick as well, and by a significant margin. My top-8 D would have been:

      1. Weber
      2. Suter
      3. Doughty
      4. Keith (and I do think his value is inflated by his team)
      5. Bouwmeester (for my money, one of the top defensive defencemen in the NHL, and he had the same number of points as Doughty)
      6. Subban
      7. McDonagh
      8. Giordano (would have been higher if he hadn’t missed so much time)

      • CJ says:

        Aside from Pietrangelo, that’s my list too Chris. I was surprised to see Karlsson finish top seven in the voting. People must not watch the games lives and simply look at the boxscore. Based on his regular seson play, PK would be 9th or 10th on my top ten list, which is really a compliment as he struggled this season, performing below his average.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Hate to say this, but I have Chara right near the top of the list still. His importance to Boston is unbelievable. He still has the ability to shut down other top players like virtually no other Dman in the league.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            He is starting to really get to be a step behind now. Teams target his foot speed. A couple years ago I would have agreed but he is showing his age.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            That is true Kooch, but he still is effective. I think his game will really drop off now more than ever. But he to me was still the Bruins MVP last season, and they won the Presidents Trophy.

            I actually hate the guy, but I can’t help but notice his presence on the ice.

          • CJ says:

            I’d have Pietrangelo in place of JB and Chara would crack the top ten. I do agree with Kooch, but, he is still a dominant defender, deserving of a place in the top 10.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Never forget Weaver challenging him and getting a smack in the head for it. That’s got to be worth an offer from Marc eh?

        • Chris says:

          Pietrangelo is a defensive disaster…his miscues are largely covered up by playing with the very underrated (never thought I would say that) Jay Bouwmeester. When Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk were together, it was a defensive zone horror show.

          • CJ says:

            Chris, have you ever watched Erik Karlsson live? He finished 7th in Norris trophy voting. Guy is a wizard offensively and a troll defensively. People talk about Spezza being selfish…. The most selfish guy in Ottawa is Erik Karlsson.

          • Chris says:

            I’ve definitely watched a fair bit of Karlsson. I think your disdain of the Senators makes you a little harsh on him…he is very weak defensively, but he’s essentially the same kind of player as Coffey, Green, or Housley. He is just so good with the puck (being honest, there isn’t a better skater or passer among NHL defencemen) that he SHOULD be selfish with the puck. But don’t forget…he’s still pretty young. He just turned 24, the age at which defencemen start to round out their defensive game and gain the maturity and experience needed to become good all-around players.

            He will never be as defensively sound as Weber, but he will get better.

            That being said, I should take my own advice…I am undoubtedly harsh on Alex Pietrangelo, because I honestly can’t see what others see in him. Since so many like him, I am probably the one that is wrong on that front.

    • CJ says:

      Agreed. Weber, is the best all around defencemen in the league. His plus minus was terrible this year, but take a look at who he was playing with, in front of and behind. IMO, the writers and hockey analysts who vote for these awards are either biased, regionally biased, or uninformed.

      • Chris says:

        Weber’s +/- wasn’t that bad. He was -2, which was still better than P.K. Subban’s -4 despite the fact that Subban’s supporting cast was just all kinds of superior to that of Weber.

        • CJ says:

          I just did a double take. I was certain he finished in the minus 15-20 range. The fact that he finished minus 2, playing on that team should have guaranteed him the award. I’m honestly shocked.

          • Chris says:

            It was a no-brainer.

            There are two great mysteries for me when it comes to personal awards in the NHL in recent years:

            1. Nicklas Lidstrom was never a finalist for the Hart Trophy.

            2. Shea Weber has never won a Norris Trophy.

            Neither of those things is even remotely defensible.

  61. mrhabby says:

    heard weaver is now looking at other teams. Richard Labbe says no deal between him and the Habs.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I wonder if that is more of a case or having priorities to Subban etc. I hope they bring him back. He was a great depth D man

    • CJ says:

      I’ve read similar. Looks like we wants a multi year offer (I can’t blame him), but we can’t go long term (I can’t blame management for that).

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree, and perhaps when he sees what is being offered elsewhere, he could indeed still talk with MB about a 1 year deal.

        Given how well Weaver played on a marketable team, he has every right to try and get a multi year deal if possible. This is probably his final real pay day in the NHL.

        • CJ says:

          Absolutely. No hard feelings so far as I am concerned. He came in, did his job (very well might I add) and blew me away. I thought he was one of our most consistent defencemen post trade deadline. Unfortunately, that’s a fairly damning indicement on both Emelin and Gorges.

          I wish Weaver well. Hopefully he shares good things about his time in Montreal, which will help grow our brand and perhaps intice others to join the organization in the future.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I have posted a few times, but I don’t think it can be overstated how tough a year it was for Emelin. His surgery to knee was late in the offseason (for medical reasons I am led to believe, reduce swelling first etc…) he then spent all his time rehabbing for the upcoming season, not conditioning. Those are two complete different off seasons.

            I think we see much better Emelin this coming season, he didn’t forget how to play or how to hit. He just a rough year with the timing of when he returned from injury. He also missed training camp.

          • CJ says:

            Nothing would make me happier than to see a more effective Emelin. I indicated that I was willing to give him a pass last year, but the reasons you have noted. I also think it’s critical to get him away from Markov and onto the left side.

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          Some will never learn even though it is spelled out time and time again…it’s called money…more money….a few million here and few million there adds up and means the difference in these guys lives between making it and not making it in their later years. I mean I’d be worried also if I only had a few million in the bank and other investments when I reached 30 or 35 years of age. Can’t blame them. Look at some of these guys…year after year they are signed for outrageous contracts and then don’t deleiver…Bad Richards anyone for the Habs……he’d be a good one to add……get him now cheap…say 6-8 million a year now that he is hurting financially…..he has only possible 40-50 million to his name……one day we will all pick this up….it isn’t about loyality it’s about money….it always will be.

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