Habs aiming to rebound vs. Islanders

UNIONDALE, N.Y. –  "You can look at it two different ways," Canadiens captain Saku Koivu said during yesterday’s day off, the Canadiens’ 4-1 Saturday meltdown against the New York Rangers fresh in his mind. "You have time to regroup and regain the focus but, after a poor game like (the one in New York), you’d like to get an opportunity right away tomorrow to bounce back."

After picking up at least a point in each of their seven previous games (5-0-2), the Canadiens hit a Montreal-sized pothole at Madison Square Garden. So the Habs will try to put Saturday behind them and are making a win Tuesday night against the Islanders a priority.


  1. Ed says:

    It’s interesting that Carolina is now going through what the Canadiens went through last year – “the flu”.


  2. JF says:

    RDS is reporting that Huet will be in goal for tomorrow night’s game. I hope this is the right decision. It’s true that he usually rebounds after a bad game, but his last few have been only so-so. I would have preferred to see Halak for this one; he needs to play, and he was solid in the third period of the last game.

  3. Smart Dog says:

    The two previous years he had 18 goals. But he is 36…. that’s when a lot of players of his caliber retire.

    And TSN says this under FLAWS:
    Can go long stretches without scoring a goal. Doesn’t use his body to win battles enough. Is declining in terms of production.

    Maybe not a good fit for the way this team is winning these days.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  4. TradeRyder says:

    He seems to either have just lost it… or he’s beyond caring. Maybe the heat of playing in Montreal is just too much.

    I don’t want to open the door to those Carbo-bashers… obviously the guy’s doing a pretty good job overall or we wouldn’t be where we so please no-one jump on this. But one very specific thing that has bothered me all year is the faith he seems to put in the older players as if his support will make the difference in their abilities. I think he’s too close to some of them – Breezer being the classic example, but face it, Dandenault hasn’t come near being our best player on many nights either. And Slowinski – aye carumba! – as you say, who can understand it, but even more, who can understand why he puts him out in a 5-on-3 unless he’s thinking he can score, be the hero, and snap out of his slump. These ‘fairy tale wishes’.. have no place on a professional team.

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  5. showey47 says:

    i just don’t get why slowinski is so ineffective, he has scored close to 20 goals in 7 of his last 8 seasons and now he is on pace for 4 goals. Breezer, no secret there he was soft in weak in his prime, now he is just old, slow, soft and weak i can’t wait for him to hang them up.

  6. Smart Dog says:

    Bon idea. What’s the French media saying about Breezer these days? Favoured son? Or expensive paperweight?

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  7. TradeRyder says:

    Wow – I just did the other half of the math.

    The Habs are 11-3-4 WITHOUT at least one of the two. Wow!

    No Slowinski or Breeze-by =
    26 of a possible 36 points or SEVENTY-TWO PERCENT!

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  8. TradeRyder says:


    That’s the most important single stat in Montreal hockey today.

    I hope the powers that be get a hold of it.

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  9. coutNY says:

    Back to the earlier study of Breezer and Smolinski:

    TradeRyder asked what is our record with them both in the line up together…

    26 pts out of possible 52..
    50 % pct.

  10. fuhgawz says:

    lol …. i second that – not only are hab fans awesome some of them are hawt !! …. to all the hot montreal fans out there … please move to saskatchewan there is nothing here of any value …. except of course me lol ….

  11. coutNY says:

    Wow thats some serious coin for a 40 yr old, half season, backup goalie, who hasn’t done anything notable at the NHL level in nearly a decade… Osgood must be steaming.

  12. CHsam says:

    I’m guessing the next time Huet gets pulled

  13. habsgod says:

    nice !!!i love it that’s a good one!!hahahaha

  14. CHsam says:

    Yeah he’s only 20. So now a whole new world’s opened up for him and he knows its tough. But in any case, we all have ups and downs. Hope he shows em what he’s really made of.

  15. CHsam says:

    Yeah he’s only 20. So now a whole new world’s opened up for him and he knows its tough. But in any case, we all have ups and downs. Hope he shows em what he’s really made of.

  16. habsgod says:

    when are we going to see halak in net?

  17. 24 Cups says:

    I can live with that although I was leaning the other way. The big question is will Carbo sit Brisebois and move Streit back with Hamrlik. Tommy K can dress and play on the checking line in place of Streit.

    The Original 24 Cups

  18. Hoegarden says:

    If you’re a Habs fan you may like this old one;

    What does Toronto have that Montreal doesn’t?

    Black and white photographs of their last Stanley Cup.

  19. 24 Cups says:

    Mike Boone has opened up a Lousy Leaf thread concerning Scotty Bowman and other possible Toronto hires.

    The Original 24 Cups

  20. coutNY says:

    Huet in Net against the Isles…

  21. habsgod says:

    there’s lots to get excited about especially with our team!!the drive for 25 is alive!!!

  22. Hoegarden says:

    Looks like it’s something in the cigarettes !!

  23. habsgod says:



  24. Hoegarden says:

    hi CoutNY

    Yes, it’s a done deal, according to CBC/Sports;

    The deal is for one year and $1.5 million US.

  25. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Clearly you have taken Pierre McGuire’s advice to “Get Excited!”

  26. habsgod says:




  27. PGHABS says:

    I agree.. they could also come out of retirement and be Player-GM’s

  28. Scotty90 says:

    I’d like that…he’s in my pool! Given that Heatly is also in my pool, i’d like Higgy to really explode.

  29. HKisses says:

    Yes i agree with Kat….Higgins could easily explode in any of the games comming…..he has alot of speed and skill to do so….So hopefully we will get to see this guy put on a show for his home crowd…….

    Hey Kat…U single:P? hahaha jus kidding :):)

  30. MatttheHabsFan says:

    Tie Domi and Glenn Healy as co-GM’s…that would be ideal

  31. MatttheHabsFan says:

    I seriously doubt the Flames would be going into the playoffs with Cujo as their #1. Able veteran, capable of playing 5-10 games down the stretch seems more likely.

  32. PGHABS says:

    I just read a Leaf fans comment and they want Tie Domi as there new GM. Here’s to Bob Gainey

  33. Ice Man says:


    Maybe he was spoon fed so far. This is the big leagues now baby. He will have to work his butt off to get back up in the NHL.

    Price knows now after being up there it is not a bed of roses and it is not like the AHL,the juniors etc.

    Price also knows now that his play has to be stellar in order to go back up and to stay back up to be Montreal’s next Ken Dryden………..

  34. TradeRyder says:

    Wayne played in a better era for goal-scorers. Even he admits that. The game was faster, goalie equipment was much smaller, the Oilers were schooled on offense-first. Kuri said that he’d get in trouble if he didn’t jump in on the rush. A whole different era – we’ll never see a scorer like Gretzky again, unless the team makes the nets bigger or the goalies smaller.

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  35. TradeRyder says:

    Sounds like a plan.
    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  36. JF says:

    I’m sure Price will turn it around, but it might not be all that fast. Everything has come easily to him so far; he may only now be realizing how hard an athlete has to work to achieve his potential. There have been questions about Price’s work ethic; Brent Sutter cut him from the junior team because of them. However, I’m sure the coaches in Hamilton will get him on the right track.

  37. coutNY says:

    Is CUJO a Flame? reports Kuklas Korner

  38. TradeRyder says:

    To my eye, either Higgins or A. Kost was our best player on the ice on Saturday night. He’s just getting his pace – you’re right he should explode soon.

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  39. Bill H says:

    Yes, a 3 pt night for Higgins would be sweet Habs-Kat.

  40. skoehn says:

    Actually sid is the biggest wuss.whiner in hockey you knock him over he curls up in the fetal postion then get up whining wayne had way more class then that…

  41. coutNY says:

    Actually your right… apologise for the confusion!

  42. coutNY says:

    I hated Wayne Gretzky! I am glad Sid won’t and ever will be Wayne. Sid encompasses more of what a complete player should be with his added physical element and defensive capabilities. Maybe he won’t match Waynes offensive output but I rather watch Crosby any day! Offensive numbers is only half of the hockey story…Wayne was the biggest wussy in hockey.

  43. Habs-Kat says:

    I really want to see Higgins explode for a massive game. He’s due and he’s at home on Tuesday.

  44. G-Man says:

    I must quote Scotty Bowman on this subject. “Statistics are for losers.”
    One other worth quoting on the subject- Disraeli, Prime Minister of Great Britain, “There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics.”


  45. ColoradoHab says:

    Brisebois and Smokes were both out of the lineup until recently.

    The team just happened to get on a roll while they were out.

    That is why the stats look as they do. I don’t think we could jump to conclusion that we got hot because they were out.

    We could if the guys replacing them were carrying the team during the hot streak.

  46. Hoegarden says:

    I would not try and decypher. Numbers can be used in many ways.
    The one statistic that matters is when a players steps on the ice; does he turn on the after-burner or not ? Easy to keep track of and no calculator required.

    Here’s an example of stats on what a player is worth;
    I am making this us as I type; Let’s use Steve Begin; Everyone knows he plays hard and will bleed for the team on any given night.
    Let’s say Steve gets 50 penalties during the regular season. The norm would indicate that the opposing team would score 10 goals or 20% on those 50 penalties.
    Steve then scores 10 goals during the same period.
    What is his real value to the team ?

  47. Ed says:

    That’s okay. It’s easy to miss 1 number, especially when there’s so much research involved. It does not take away from the conclusions that can be drawn from the stats that you have provided. Good work!

  48. krob1000 says:

    I would like to have seen Gretzky’s stats playing on a line with an aged injury effected Petr Sykora and Colby Armstrong. I would never say Gretzky is not the best player of all time but Crosby is not in a situation where he is on a team with four other hall of fame calibre offensive players either (Messier, Coffey, Kurri,Anderson). Gretzky was the best of all time but many players who have been close to both say Crosby could be the kid to rival the records. I believe it. Anytime you watch him play it seems that every time he touches the puck a chance is created. Eventually he will be in a situation where guys can convert and I think he may approach the 175 plus point zone. He will never score like Gretz did but he is the same type of playmaker (if he can continue this for twenty years like Wayne did is another story).

  49. ebk says:

    15-11-4 with Smolinski. My editoral staff is not up to snuff these days.

  50. Hoegarden says:

    Why would anyone with half a brain want to get involved with the house that Harry built ???

  51. Ice Man says:

    Yes he is a great player. But he will never be a Wayne Gretzky. We will never see another one of him.

  52. Ice Man says:

    I’ll drink to dat. Lets hope dat Price will come back stronger than ever.

  53. Infanteer says:

    I think, like, he’s a pretty good player. Like, I’d like to see him in my team’s jersey. Should we like trade Ryder for him?

  54. Bill H says:

    This clarification is also helpful. Thanks Ed!

  55. Infanteer says:

    Interesting end to the cited article:

    “The Hamilton Bulldogs lost to Rochester 7-3 and it wasn’t a good night for goalie Carey Price. He allowed five goals on 13 shots and was pulled at the 11-minute mark of the second period.”

    Not good. Faced with the first adversity of his career (Price succeeded at every other level from Midget to Atom to the World Juniors to the Calder Cup), has he lost his confidence?

    The exceptional goalies all had one thing in common: the “bounce back” effect. Roy played some miserable games. Dryden could stink out a building. Consistently, though, they bounced back the next game with an epic performance.

    Here’s hoping Price turns it around – fast!

  56. Ice Man says:

    Off topic but:

    Sid the Kid is on the cover Men’s Fitness Magazine. It says that Sid will be the next Wayne Gretzky. I think not !!! Not even close. He only has 18 goals so far this season. He is like in 20th place or more in goals scored. But Assist he is like in first I think.

  57. Bill H says:

    These are interesting statistics and they certainly do point out a tendency. However, there are other factors that can influence how a team plays and I would caution people from jumping to conclusions regarding these numbers. The numbers by themselves do not prove that the Habs are a better team with Smokes and Brisbois out of the lineup BECAUSE they are out, only that they are a better team WHEN they are out.

    Please don’t interpret my comments as a complete dismissal of these statistics. I just don’t believe in scapegoating, and I also don’t believe that banishing those 2 players will solve all the problems of the team. I do think that the stats suggest that the 2 players should be included in the press box rotation, and further monitoring of how the team does with and without them in the lineup would be useful.

    I am not one to bash management as I believe we are going in the right direction under Carbo and BG, but I agree with some of the posters here that mistakes have been made and Carbo is continuing to learn how best to get the most from the players.

    Thanks ebk, for your hard work in putting that together.

  58. Ice Man says:

    Well I’m no spring chicken.

  59. Smart Dog says:

    It’s called good protocol. You must be young.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  60. J.T. says:

    I know the most common theories are that the team does better when those guys aren’t in the lineup because:
    a) they suck
    b) the guys that replace them when they’re out are better
    c) they don’t necessarily suck outright, but they’re old and can no longer contribute the way they should

    I’ll go with B, I think. While I think there’s some merit to the other two, I think O’Byrne and/or Streit when partnered with Hammer make a better pair than Hammer/Breezer. Breezer has some good points, in that he can make a nice first pass and he sometimes makes a smart play to clear the puck under pressure. But he’s also not that fast, he’s soft as a feather pillow on the boards and he gives the puck away in dangerous territory a LOT. He also brings down Hamrlik’s game, because Hammer does a lot of babysitting when he’s out there with Breezer. Otherwise, Brisebois would look a lot worse than he does now.

    And I think Chipchura is a better fourth-line centre than Smolinski, regardless of his faceoff percentage. He’s trying harder for one thing, and his errors are learning errors…not lazy errors generally.

    I know I feel better looking at a lineup that has Breezer and Smolinski sitting than I do when I see them on the ice. Maybe they’ll turn it around and play a more sound game in the second half…but I’m not betting on it.

  61. TradeRyder says:

    He’s being very honest, but you also have to be a little political in situations like that. He cant say “sure wish I had that Toronto job”.

    He’s reaffirming his loyalties are 100% with Detroit – a job he loves and would find it very hard to leave (I am sure that’s true). But obviously if the right, rare situation came along such as directing the rebuilding of an orginal six team, he would not deny his interest. You have to see this as partly playing a little politics. I’m sure it’s all true though – he loves his job in Detroit – but Detroit doesn’t need rebuilding and Toronto does… that’s a serious temptation. Scotty loves hockey like nothing else.

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  62. TradeRyder says:

    What about games without Sm & BR. Versus
    Games with 1
    Games with both

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  63. tleblanc says:

    Interesting and it tells me that they should be in the pressbox.

  64. tleblanc says:

    I don’t think that the statment is inconsistent. He currently has a job which he likes with an organization he is comfortable with. The leafs (or any organization)calls and says we’d like to speak with you. Anybody in their right mind goes to listen to what the discussion would be about. They tell him they would like him to come on board and he says sure as long as I have full control and compensated for those duties. It doesn’t change the fact that you’re happy where you are but can’t be made happy to go somewhere else given certain conditions.

  65. Ed says:

    Brisebois played 29 games, & team got 29 points or 50% of possible points.
    Brisebois missed 15 games, & team got 23 points or 76.7% of possible points.

    Smolinski played 31 games, & team got 35 points or 56.45% of possible points.
    Smolinski missed 14 games, & team got 18 points or 64.3% of possible points.

    The discrepancy is much larger for Brisebois, and this is a very interesting stat that you have researched. It appears that the team plays better without them in the lineup. You should recheck the stats for Smolinski as the games played and points earned for him total 45 and 53 respectively, while the Canadiens have played 44 games, & earned 52 points.

    Kudos to you for a very interesting stat, which must have taken a lot of research on your part. Thanks again.

  66. Ice Man says:

    I don’t understand this about Scotty B. Can some one please explain this to me.

    The Hall of Fame coach reiterated to the Detroit Free Press on Sunday that he has no plans to leave the Red Wings, the team he has worked for since 1993-94.

    “My commitment is with Detroit,” he told the Free Press.

    Bowman told Hockey Night In Canada on Saturday that he was interviewed by the Leafs for an executive job last summer, only to be turned away by Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment president and CEO Richard Peddie with three weeks until the start of the season.

    Bowman, told MLSE chairman Larry Tanenbaum that he would come on board with the provison that he had full control over the team’s hockey operations.

    So. if Scotty had no plans to leave Detroit, then why was he talking to TO.

    I still don’t understand.

  67. TradeRyder says:

    EBK! You da man!

    Couldn’t agree more… read my sig line!

    Let the kids play… let the non-performers watch or walk.

  68. Smart Dog says:

    Great stats. Nice digging.

    It pretty clearly shows that without these guys in the line-up scoring especially goes up… why is the question? More confidence? Replaced by faster/better/more offensive players?

    But is anyone surprised by these stats? I only hope Carbo sees them.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  69. ebk says:

    Here are a few non-game day tidbits

    With all the harping about Brisebois and Smolinski, thought I would check the team’s record with/without either in the lineup

    Brisebois has played 29 games to date, the team has a record of 12-12-5 with him in the line-up. Has scored 77(2.6)goals and given up 86(2.9). With Patrice in the press box, the team is 10-2-3,taken 25 out of a possible 30 points and scored 59(3.9)goals and allowed 40(2.7).

    With Smoliski in the line up the Habs are 15-11-5. Without him,7-3-4. The Habs have scored 88(2.9) goals and allowed 86(2.9). While Smolinski was injured, the team scored 48(3.4) goals and allow 40(2.9).

    I’m not sure what to make of this, anyone else have an idea.

    Thanks for reading

  70. coutNY says:

    After a bounce back performance in his first appearence against the CRUNCH of Syracuse, Price suffering from a bit of shell shock in his game against Rochester AMERICANS, allowing 5 goals on 13 shots. Chips found success in Hamilton in the game; one of the few successes in the game…

  71. 24 Cups says:

    It’s not a game day so I thought this might be a good time to ask. Can anyone tell me how I can get/use spell check when I am writing a comment for this site. I am using Windows XP and I am a computer novice. I don’t see any of the options here like I do on my Hotmail account. I need very basic, step by step instructions. How basic? Well, if you were telling me how to change a flat tire your first instruction would be stop the car. Thanks in advance.

    The Original 24 Cups

  72. Ed says:

    Dave Stubbs, I watched the Victor Davis story last night, and thought it was very well done. It is a very uplifting movie, with a very sad ending. You were right when you said that Mark Lutz did a great job playing the part of Victor Davis. Davis came across as a very strong individual, who was blessed with a great deal of talent, and was surrounded by very level headed individuals. I felt proud as a Canadian watching the reenactments of his performances at different events, especially the Olympics.

    It was wonderful that he donated his organs, and they showed where one man got an extra 16 years with Victor’s heart. It must have been very emotional for you to watch this movie, as you worked so closely with him & knew him very well. I also thought it very appropriate to spread his ashes in the ocean, where they can swim forever.

    I found it amusing where the coach gave you a kiss when Victor won the gold medal in the 200 meter breaststroke at the Olympics. It was a good show all around.

  73. Will Longlade says:

    Here’s my critique of Smokes as reported in an earlier thread:

    1. He squanders almost every opportunity to clear the puck out of the D-zone during PK’s;
    2. Despite his size, he doesn’t bring the physical game;
    3. He frequently takes a lazy body position when checking;
    4. He hasn’t taught Chips how to win face-offs;
    5. He needs to make more of an offensive contribution, while elevating the defensive components of his game.

  74. 24 Cups says:

    Pittsburgh 4-1 over the Rangers. Conklin wins 10th game.

    Ty Conklin won 6 games last year and that includes the American League! So far for Pittsburgh he is:

    10-0-1, 1.72, .949

    Urine sample please!

    The Original 24 Cups

  75. Smart Dog says:

    Hey 24,

    The spelling isn’t checked by the website. It is checked by the web Browser – the program that is showing you the website. You are probably on Internet Explorer. I don’t know if it does that. If you start using Firefox (download for free at http://www.firefox.com) it is better (crashes less, is better organized) and checks your spelling.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

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