Habs’ Therrien faces heat while Guy Boucher takes coaching job in Switzerland

With many Canadiens fans calling for coach Michel Therrien to be fired following Saturday’s embarrassing 5-0 loss to the Washington Capitals, Guy Boucher – one of the possible candidates to coach in Montreal – is headed to Switzerland to coach SC Bern.

TSN.ca reported Monday morning that SC Bern had announced Boucher (photo above) as their new head coach. The 39-year-old coached the Habs’ AHL farm club in Hamilton before making the move to the NHL to become head coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Boucher posted a 97-78-20 record over two seasons with the Lightning before being fired last season.

As of 1:30 p.m. Monday on our HI/O poll question, 69 per cent said the Canadiens should fire Therrien.

After a day off Sunday, the Canadiens practised Monday morning in Brossard as they prepare to face the Carolina Hurricanes Tuesday night at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., RDS, TSN Radio 690). Louis Leblanc missed the practice due to an illness, while Alex Galchenyuk – who is recovering from a broken hand suffered three weeks ago – skated alone before practice and is on schedule with his recovery.

Therrien confirmed after practice that Carey Price, who has been pulled in two of his last three starts, will be in goal against the Hurricanes when the Canadiens will be looking to end a four-game losing streak. The Canadiens have only four wins in their last 13 games (4-7-2).

After practice, Therrien spoke to reporters in Brossard about the pressure of coaching and playing in Montreal.

“We know we play in a very passionate market, and that’s something we’ve emphasized with our players,” Therrien said.

“What I keep reminding our players is to stay humble and concentrated when we are having success; you are never as good as people say when things are going well. On the flip side, you are never as bad as you think when things are not going well. You need to stay in that same pattern and to keeping doing the right things regardless of what’s happening. My only preoccupation was making sure we have a good practice today.”

After facing Carolina, the Canadiens will travel to Boston to face the Bruins Thursday night and then play back-to-back Super Bowl weekend afternoon games at the Bell Centre against the Tampa Bay Lightning on Saturday and the Winnipeg Jets on Sunday. Both of those games are 1 p.m. starts.

The Hurricanes play host to the Columbus Blue Jackets Monday night before travelling to Montreal.

Here’s how the Canadiens’ lines and defence pairings looked at Monday’s practice:

Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Prust-Briere-Bourque
Moen-Bournival-Parros

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Murray-Beaulieu
Bouillon-Diaz

(Photo by Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images)

Canadiens in danger of slipping out of playoff spot, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Pacioretty embraces adversity, a word that’s practically his middle name: Stubbs column

Practice notebook, Canadiens.com

Post-practice interviews (video), Canadiens.com

Canadiens are playing like alien zombies, by Jack Todd for The Gazette

The heat is on for Habs, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Are Habs a bad team or in a bad stretch? TSN.ca

1,182 Comments

  1. Dunboyne Mike says:

    @LafleurGuy
    Penny dropped!
    In slow motion, yes, but she dropped. Want to delete?
    Where’s Pokey?!

  2. Plekasuares says:

    PA is scratched tonight for Colorado

  3. bwoar says:

    @Gazza Strip – great posts.

    “thoroughbred”

  4. krob1000 says:

    Bourque is a RW naturally who plays LW
    Eller is a center who plays LW
    Briere signed as a C or Rw and plays LW
    Chucky is a center who plays LW (although I agree with this one for now)
    Bournival is a kid who found a home with PLeks and Gio and then was benched?
    Gallagher has had success everywhere but where he is yet he doesn’t move now?
    Pleks is forever linked with Gio it appears and they put Eller there?
    Gio-Was very frustrated last game
    PAtches-gests what he wants
    Dd-gets what he wants depsite Gomez like numbers for a quarter of the season(playing better of late but why does he get that?)
    Leblanc-probably wishes he stayed in Hamilton playing instead of watching in Montreal
    Prust has played all 3 positions up front…and sometimes is the team heavy, others is the puck retrieval guy for two scorers, other times is playing his off wing,etc,etc….last game he didn’t know what he was and wnet crazy and got tossed.

    Emelin-plays his wrong position
    Subban-been torn in so many directions he needs Larry’s sports psychologist number to get his head screwed back on
    Diaz-played as well as could be expected and on a rd short crew should be the guy being singed and Gorges moved yet he is eating hotdogs
    Gorges-belives he is a leader…because it appears Mt believes it too? not sure how he has escaped blame this year..I find those 24Ch speeches hard to watch (reminds me of watching The Wonder Years…I get so embarassed for him I turn the channel)
    Beualieu -spent most of the season watching games wondering how he was still in hammer with those dangeroud people that are there

    PRice-watches it all unfold every night and is psychologically scarred
    Budaj-so confused he started to believe the internet rumours he is Bruce Lee

    So why is the team confused and not palying hard again? Hmmm…let me think about that for a while.

    • bwoar says:

      This explains a lot. Wish we could send as a huge poster to MB.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Interesting points.
      Not all make sense (Gorges was captain of all his junior teams, Price isn’t psychologically scarred that I can tell, Beaulieu did what he was told and benefited) but good reasons for identifying the source of confusion.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • krob1000 says:

        lol…just kidding re Price…..re Gorges he was a big fish in a small pond then. Most of these guys were captains or assistants in Junior or college. At the NHL level he is a guy who defied odds and played with a lot of heart to get where he is…but his speeches are painful….and the team that has Stanley Cup Winners in the room listenting to Josh I over achieved Gorges speak like he is auditioing for the captaincy has to be hard for many of them to handle. He is a role model….for his overachievement…he is not however a guy who should or could be expected to lead a winning hockey team. Gorges is still of value but I think he is the guy they should move…his leadership would be a great compliment to a team that has other vet leaders running the show but if 24Ch is at all accurate his leadership role is a bit out of place in MOntreal IMO

        • RiverviewCanadien says:

          I agree that Gorges is a movable part.

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        • Mattyleg says:

          That’s a problem I have with this 24CH thing.

          “How many things by season seasoned are.” – Portia, Merchant of Venice.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Stimpy007 says:

          And also his salary makes him a very expensive last D pairing! We need size and heart in the same player. Too bad he has overachieved here but the time has come. Cya!

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Okay, sure. There are plenty of question marks with the line combos, no doubt.

      Still, no matter how you configure the lines, you’ll still end up with a mediocre hockey team. The team is lacking size, top-end talent, and depth.

      Where would guys like Gionta, Bourque, DD, Briere, Murray, Bouillon fit on teams like St. Louis, LA, Chicago, Anaheim, etc… ??

      • krob1000 says:

        IT is about line combos…these players al ahve team goals but let’s not kid ourselves…they are all human and are all working ina career that is paid according to output. Theya re in aresults oriented business and many of them probably feel tehy are in situations that are limiting to them. They would likely be willing to bury this as a factor while winning as ultimately they are competitive people and winning si ideally still the most important…BUT….when youa relosing and everyone is playing in foreign roles nad in unfamiliar and not ideal istuations you can’t expect the room to be all cozy and friendly. They all have strengths and they all have experience on a number of teams at different levels…many of them will go on to be coaches as well..these aren’t kids …they know waht is oging on around them and they are likely beginning to question things. MT I agree is limited in that he doens;t have the Anaheim Dukcs or TB lIghtining…or does he…look at the secondary scoring on those teams …a bucnh of guys who noone would without looking realize are dong as well as tehy are…they are being put in positions to succeed and I doubt there is a focus on gettting a handdful of guys going. which more and more appears to be the case in Montreal. MY has to adapt soon or he will nt survive..and who knows maybe this is all that was to be expected of him becuase IMO he did teach the D side of the game and in all honesty he would be a good guy to go to Edmonton for a year …but rigth now I agree with the sentiment that he is losing the room…they may not dislike him but they are not happy as individuals and you get that much negativity together and you have the makings of a huge slide.

  5. Sportfan says:

    Carbo would be an interesting choice, but remember his crazy line combos they drove everyone up the wall.

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    • bwoar says:

      I think of him as a dangerous narcotic. “Carbo, not even once.”

      “thoroughbred”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Carbo would be interesting if he’d taken what he’d learned in Mtl and honed it with another team – either in Europe or the AHL.

      Instead, he’s been sitting on his hands on RDS.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • shiram says:

        What did Therrien do in between his jobs? Any minor league coaching?

        • Mattyleg says:

          He had 7 years’ NHL experience under his belt before we picked him up after 2 years on the shelf.
          Carbo has 3 years’ experience, and has been out for 5 years.
          After not having been picked up quickly, he should have looked elsewhere, don’t you think?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • habcertain says:

            both those dogs don’t hunt.

          • shiram says:

            I’m ready to look past Carbo, but If you feel he should have been coaching in between HC jobs in the NHL, then the same should be said of Therrien, who’s track record indicates he could have used more experience.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Amen! This is my big beef and why I want to steer completely clear.

  6. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    So now that Eller is getting confirmed on the wing, where he is awful, it brings to mind the great Sam Wycheism …

    ” we can’t win at home and we can’t win on the road. Our problem is that we are running out of place to play”

    But, now for Eller off centre and off wing, MT can pull a master stroke against Boston by putting Eller on defence … which could actually work long term.

    Nah, he wouldn’t ….

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • jo_maka says:

      Your quote reminded me of the great Chesty Puller:

      ”All right, they’re on our left, they’re on our right, they’re in front of us, they’re behind us… they can’t get away this time.”

      If only he was still alive and was an UFA we could grab instead of a war hero. Oh well…
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    • habs_54321 says:

      I don’t understand why eller cant adjust slightly and play on the wing he is built for the wing, I think its all mental with him.

      • krob1000 says:

        He has adjusted and is playing fine on the teams shitdown line…but if that is his roel do not expect offense. He is not a goalscorer…even in an offensvie role he would likely top out near Pleks numbers….but that is fine with his two way game and efffectiveness upt eh middle. I think he is a playmaker more than a finsiher…so without him having natural finishers he will not rack up too mnay points. At 5 on 5 he is good dfensively that he s used asa a mtchup guy…eh is doing fine…but the question is is that the best use of him? How can you get the most out of the players on this team? Is that not the real question?

        • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

          Krob, Eller is my personal obsession but I have to say he is lousy on the wing and a turnover machine. He doesn’t have the same reaction time and takes too long to make plays.

          He is lost in the d zone

          “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

          • krob1000 says:

            I think he could be fine on the wing…that is the ahrdest adjustment…taking the passes while standing still in the dzaone witha dman bearing down at you. It is tougher than youthink and especially when the amjority of the d corps is nto the greatest passing group. Eller is fine there and other than in that situation I have not found him to be anything but decent

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        I agree it is mental but not short term fixable. He is oriented to have the puck as much as is possible on offence and to hunt down the other team’s puck carrier.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  7. habfaninottawa says:

    We’re seeing the same problem this year that we saw last year. Just after the halfway point (or 42 game mark) the team seems to have run out of gas. There doesn’t seem to be any resiliency or long-term endurance. Is that the players or the coach?
    Sure many people say that the team is too small, too soft, etc etc, and while much if that may be true, isn’t it also true that it falls on the coach to motivate and encourage his players through the rough patches? Sure, we may have all the right players to get us over the hump, but I think we can all agree that we definitely do NOT have to coach to get the team where they need to be.
    Unfortunately I don’t see MB firing Therrien until after the season is over. So all I can say is keep your rage in check and hope for a high lottery pick. Frankly I rather the Habs miss the playoffs at this point. I’m not advocating them to tank, just to continue on the path they are on now.

    • New says:

      Or you could look at it stats wise. Last year they scored 149 goals and allowed 126. Work those ratios out over 82 games rather than 48 and it comes out to 254 for, 215 against, their best difference since 2007-08. This year they are on pace for 201 goals for and 211 against. The goals against forecast will be right up there with their best season in the last 10 years. Unfortunately their goals for will be the worst in the last decade.

      Without Galchenyuk the lack of a second line is glaring. When you need Pleks to play 23 or 24 minutes a game you are in big trouble if your #2 is DD. His line is a defensive liability, but often the only one that scores. That doesn’t say that Galchenyuk is the answer to all the teams problems, only that he masks their steadily declining ability to score NHL goals. Everyone instinctively knows this when they see Briere signed or Moen playing on the first line.

      Anyway it is all a symptom of a team in decline. They crashed last year before the playoffs, this year they squeaked some out they shouldn’t have. The standings are just evening up is all. Price always goes into a “less than stellar” mode this time of year but he’s not their problem. Like Galchenyuk he masks it.

      They aren’t all that good, they are playing as hard as they can, what you see is players trying to do too much and believing they can only win 1-0 or 2-1 – that any mistake is game over. So it is.

  8. Habfan10912 says:

    Look, we can all talk about the talent level on this team or how time on ice minutes are misappropriated or how players are playing out of their normal positions, or how the system stinks until the freaking cows come home.

    What we all saw Saturday night was a team who quit. I saw many more players going through the motions then players who extended any effort.

    Right now that’s the biggest issue facing this team. That’s the most urgent issue Bergevin and Molson must react to. Their move.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m sure they’re pissed at Therrien but must also be pissed at Bergevin. He has done nothing to bolster the lineup except bring in some fringe players. They are getting run into the ground because they are too small and are probably just fed up altogether.

    • Mattyleg says:

      That generally happens when a team is slumping; they feel like nothing they can do will result in success.

      They just need to get out of the doldrums and get some self-belief going.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Been watching the game for a long time, Matty. I cannot remember the last time I saw as many players quitting during a game.

        No rose colored glasses can conceal what I saw Saturday night. Bergevin and Molson must react to this. Losing and slumping is one thing. A total lack of effort is something completely different.

        • Mattyleg says:

          You don’t remember seeing it two seasons ago?
          I certainly do.

          It was closer to the beginning of the slide than later.
          When JM was still around.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Luke says:

            This all started when Erik Cole high-fived the ref.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Big difference from a team that plays poorly, :s pressing, and can’t get out if their own way. This team quit. A total lacking effort.

            The coach knows it. The GM knows it and the players know it.

          • GrimJim says:

            @10912
            I disagree. It looks to me like a team lacking in confidence, thinking that nothing they do will result in a win, so they don’t take that extra step. If they’ve quit, it’s because they believe that they can’t come back from a two-goal deficit.

      • bwoar says:

        I think you’re being kind to the players and the coach. What’s your take on the source of the doldrums?

        “thoroughbred”

        • Mattyleg says:

          Just a mix of everything, really.
          Individually slumping players getting moved around to spark them, and spreading the slump, the coach running out of ideas on how to spark them again, and it really just being a snowball effect.

          It happens every year to a certain extent.

          Ray Ferraro said that he didn’t understand why one guy on one line’s scoring drought can spread and affect other players on different lines, but he said it magically (and frustratingly) does.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • bwoar says:

            Once the coach, and his assistants, run out of ideas – isn’t it time to fire them? (Seriously speaking, not “rage” talking here.)

            The PP getting going wouldn’t hurt.

            I wonder if they’ve considered scraping their lines and simply playing guys on in the correct positions, wingers were they’re most comfortable, etc. It seems the most obvious thing, and with no answers I’m kinda chomping at the bit for that to be tried.

            “thoroughbred”

          • Mattyleg says:

            I don’t think that firing people is always the right choice.
            If a player can lose his way, so can the coach.

            They just need to sit down with MB and figure out how to get the team back on track. It’s like a teacher who loses control of his/her class. Doesn’t mean that they are a bad teacher, especially if he/she had control over them before, and just needs to look at the way their approach could be changed to make it all work.

            And I like the ‘play players in their ‘natural’ positions’ idea. Not that I’m confident that would work, but it can’t hurt to try.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Stimpy007 says:

            Who cares what Fiero thinks? That is ur basis for keeping MT?? Wow!?

            If that many players are slumping/unmotivated then coach must go. Just sayin?

    • krob1000 says:

      But I think your first paragraph is the reason for the second paragraph.
      -Bourque plays best at RW yet never gets to play there
      – BRiere is a center or Rw yet plays left and whenhe does play centre it is with grinders or rookies
      -Eller proved himself last year and early this year yet is a winger again?
      -Bournival played lights out early and was very impressive adn then for some reason was just abandoned.
      -Gallagher played well on every line but the one he is on now…but at least he has DD and Patches going…they can pass it back and forth while he takes a beating?
      -DD-depstie 1 point in 20 games continued to get top role and get top winger,
      -Gio continues to be paired with PLeks…this is fine but if it is then offensvie reality menas they won;t score much…Pleks can score in any situation…Gio not so much naymore
      -Chucky..also playing out of position..I can deal with this if he gets top pp minues and a chance to develop but he too has been moved all over and away fromw here hwe was successful
      -Patches-gets whatever he wants it appears despite what may be best for the team
      -Moen—should be the guy in the defensvie role..he is the ideal guy to be in beside Gio/Pleks..I bet noone can figure out why he isn;t…if they leave that duo together he makes themost sense….btuthen agian what is sense?
      -Prust-also played all three positions up fornta nd no direction…some days he is the heavyweight, some days he is the center, some days he is the puck retrieval guy with two offensive palyers…so pretty well every day he is something different..

      -Diaz-not sure why he is benched?
      -Emelin-also palys out of position
      -Gorges…IMO this is the D the team could most do without and get a return on
      -SUbban-been pulled so many different directions he has forgotten who he is

      -Price—poor kid…he egst to watch it all unfold in front of him
      -Budaj actually belived the rumours and became convinced himself he is a black belt in something
      Tehn you have Beauliue and Tinordi who are clearly better than somne of the d at times and they Tinordi is in the HAmmer and Beauliue is just now with the club

      So why aren’t they playing hard again? hmmm…let me try to figure that out..

    • Cal says:

      Hilarious avatar! :lol:
      While Bergevin preaches patience, this is what we’re seeing on the ice: low-down dirty skunks!

  9. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Speaking of the rumors involving Parenteau…he will be a healthy scratch tonight. This post does not mean I am in favor of a deal to get him…just posting some info folks.

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  10. 25 while im alive says:

    What about guy carbonneau

  11. HabsFanInTampa says:

    It’s gotten to the point that, after 50 years of being a Hab’s fan, I may need to cheer for another team (Lightning maybe?). As awful and painful as that sounds, I need to do it to keep my sanity. I will wait to see if the Canadien’s organization is serious about bringing Lord Stanley back to Montreal or are they just content to coast throughout the seasons as we did the last 21 years. Unfortunately for us diehard, loyal fans, the Canadiens sell out each and every game no matter the product on the ice. This doesn’t place a “sense of urgency” on the owners, instead it makes them more complacent. If the next coach of our beloved Habs is the “best French coach available” INSTEAD of the “best coach available”, then I’m going to take inventory of my association with this team. Hopefully it won’t get to that. I have a large tattoo of the Canadiens crest on my body that I received the day after our last Stanley Cup victory.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Was down there last week. A wonderful building and nice town.

      Just curious, but as I walked into the arena prior to the Bolts/Islander game I saw a gentleman wearing a Richard Hab jersey. Any chance that was you? :)

    • Max says:

      Money talks and the only way to effect change is to hit Molson in the wallet.Fans need to stay away from the rink for a bit and stop buying hab’s merchandise and Molson products so that the owners will be forced to take the initiative to bring a competitive hockey team back to Montreal.A team that can regularly compete with the best teams.The loyal fans deserve so much better than the garbage we’ve been following for decades now.

  12. Habfun says:

    By the way folks, The Bulldogs play the Binghampton Senators at Can Tire Centre (in Ottawa) Sat. Feb 8th at 7:00pm Tics are $12.50 to $20.00 for 1st level seats. Could be a good time, let’s jam the joint with Hab fans!!!!!
    Go Habs Go!!

    It\’s all about the CH

  13. jo_maka says:

    So it’s confirmed: Mike Therrible will keep Eller on the wing for next game.

    *facepalm intensifies*
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    • DipsyDoodler says:

      In fairness, Eller is being paired with Plex and Gio, and given essentially first line minutes. This should be an opportunity for him.

      • jo_maka says:

        How much TOI will he get on PP ? We know that the kid is a center and not a winger, so are we saying he gets to have more minutes playing off position ? I don’t know about you but that just increases the risks of mistakes IMO and will make him look even worse. Give him wingers and play him at center. Give him Bournival and Leblanc I don’t care, but let him play at his position without a revolving door of partners and give him TOI.
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        • B says:

          Interesting that Bournival and Leblanc are both young natural centers, but no issues with them playing on the wing?

          –Go Habs Go!–

          • jo_maka says:

            A fair comment.

            The ceiling for Eller exceeds Bournival’s and Leblanc’s. If I’ll have to sacrifice a center to the wings, it’s not Eller. Plus we already saw in 2012 what LL could do on the right wing (centered by Eller if I’m not mistaken) and we saw how Bournival started this season.

            There are people who can play different position. Kostopoulos and Kostitsyn could play right and left, etc… But there are some players who just can’t. And the purpose is not to change the players but to use their strengths.
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          • krob1000 says:

            Virutally the whole team is centers..White, Prust, Bounival, LEblanc , Pleks, Briere, Chucky, DD, Eller….but of those several are not ready or skilleed enough to be projected as NHL centers. Eller proved last eyar and early this year hge is one..and one on a team that was winning.

      • krob1000 says:

        ? The DD line gets the offensive matchups and the pp time. That line ahs the two offensvie wingers. Playing with Pleks and Gio is essentially a shutdown role on this team anymore. The days of Playing Pleks with Kovy and Andrei K are gone….Dd ahs the teams two best wingers. Also he is palying out of position…this is an opportunity? This is however better than his usually linemates…but the out of position thing and the fact his role is most definitely a two way one with more emphasis on defense should lead to realistic expectations taht offense is not likely. However to conclude that somehow inidcates he is not capable is wrong IMO…when given competent wingers he outscored dd last year and this year until his line was broken up. The constnat pairings of Gio/Plek s and DD/PAtches right now despite no sign of offensive life is very frustrating.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Dipsy, I would rather pay to see Eller play 4th line centre at 11 minutes a game than watch him on TV contort his way on the wing for 15.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  14. DipsyDoodler says:

    It’s time for a little game I like to call: when did Michel Therrien jump the shark?

    Now we all know that Therrien is done, but when did YOU decide you wanted him fired? What specific event caused you to buy your ticket for the fire MT bandwagon?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      For me, it was benching PK against Philly. An absolutely idiotic decision especially since PK wasn’t even to blame for that penalty. Punishing a guy and the whole team because he was upset at a Flyer 4th liner face washing him with 2 sec left in the period was the last straw for me.

      Pairing Douglas “Tectonic Plates” Murray with PK just confirmed this opinion.

      • Walmyr says:

        Tectonic Plates?…really???…are you geologist???

        (BTW…I am a geologist…)

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I saw it another way. If P.K. had an issue with someone, he should have dealt with it before the refs showed up, or during the third period. To take that very, very late punch at an opponent from the safety of a cordon of striped jerseys was a step back for P.K., he used to pull that crap in 2012. It’s the kind of malarkey that gets him booed in other rinks. My fervent wish is for P.K. to play like Raymond Bourque, tough but fair, or at worst like Chris Chelios, verging on dirty most nights but always ready to stick up for himself.

        So yeah, I thought it was a good call to sit P.K. His actions were unacceptable.

      • bwoar says:

        Eller on the wing part two. Recycling experiments that don’t work.

        “thoroughbred”

    • Cal says:

      Exactly when did MT say the Habs are a grinding team? That would be it.

    • monmick says:

      When MB hired him…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      When he decided that with Galchenyuk and White out, it was the perfect time to turn Lars Eller into a pale shadow of Nikolei Kulenim.

      Plekanec, Briere, DD and Prust as your centres … yeah, that’ll work.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • jo_maka says:

      When he said he wanted to make PK a ”better person”.

      So pretty much around the time he was hired. It’s just that I didn’t get bent out of shape about the hiring, but when I heard that it sank in.
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    • Walmyr says:

      When Andre Savard fired him in 02-03 season…I think…

    • habsguru says:

      MT 1.0 or 2.0? how about in PIT?

    • rljmartin says:

      Wow…. apparently history repeats itself…. Here is for those who do not want to read the entire article:

      Montreal blog Habs Eyes on the Prize recently compared the way the team has trended since the start of the season to the way the 2008-09 Penguins performed in terms of even-strength shot attempts, and the results are shockingly similar. After being at around plus-48 in this regard after Game 10, they’ve slipped to close to minus-276, which is a hell of an accomplishment over just 42 games. The trend lines between this and the season that got him fired in Pittsburgh are shocking in their similarity.

    • Luke says:

      I’m not a fan of Lambert. I don’t think he watches a lot of hockey.

      He tries very hard to be an edgy/witty writer. His comment about PK being benched for every neutral-zone turnover is a flat-out lie.

      It’s fine for me or you to throw junk like that around, but he is apparently a professional journalist. I hold them to a higher standard than I do anyone here.

      I also think that when you start quoting fan sites as sources you lose credibility. He cherry picks a lot of his stuff.

  15. Gazza Strip says:

    First post of the season. Still like to read the comments of those who love to bash or cheer on the team but as we all know, the past weeks have been most difficult. Just a few points to pass along from the East Coast. First: The best way to watch the games is to PVR and begin an hour or so after the start. I watch the game until we begin to lose, then just start fast forwarding until we get back in the game. The last few games saw me essentially just flying through the second and third periods. No goals or even fights to require me to go back and watch again. Really a time saver and lessens the frustration.

    Second: To those who think we should start to tank. Really? The team might not be playing their backsides off for MT but they are still pros and I still want them to win every game. I’ll take a trip to the playoffs with an early exit to no trip any time. It wasn’t that long ago that we went into the playoffs with little hope but a goalie got hot, some shots went in, and before we knew it, we went three rounds. The key here is how you are playing as you get there, more so than how we are playing now.

    Third: From watching CH24, it seems to me that Gerard Gallant is the best communicator in the dressing room and on the bench. If MT is let go, I’d like to see him get a shot if no real upgrade is available.

    Cheers

    • Eddie says:

      Gallant speaks no French. Unfortunately. So check him off the list.

    • jacquesthemonkey says:

      Like others I have used the word “tank”. What I have meant by it is that there is no point aiming to simply make the playoffs because it will doom the team to perpetual mediocrity as opposed to suffering through a few years until you build a true contender.

      • Gazza Strip says:

        Our fans soil their pants when we suck for a week, 2weeks, or a month. Don’t want to hang around to see what would come out of being at the bottom of the league for a few years in a row. For every Pittsburgh that got Crosby and Malkin for two years of suckitude, there is an Edmonton or Buffalo who has had awful results for several years with not much but high hopes. Being smart at finding treasures deaper in the draft ( Gallagher ) is every bit as important as high draft picks. ( Leblanc ) I’ll still take winning and I think that most of us would prefer that too. We are just soooo frustrated right now that we are all banging our heads.

  16. Plekasuares says:

    Gionta and ? For PA.

  17. Seems the entire internet is calling for MT’s head. The Yahoo guys are a little harsh and have no options, but you’ll get a good chuckle;

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/learned-montreal-canadiens-unmitigated-disaster-michel-therrien-blame-145607599–nhl.html

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  18. Un Canadien errant says:

    Glancing at my fantasy teams these days, I pay close attention to what the Penguins are doing since I loaded up on them at the draft and on waivers. I notice that since Pascal Dupuis has been injured for the rest of the season with an ACL rupture, there has been a revolving door at right wing on Sidney Crosby’s line. Jayson Megna, Taylor Pyatt, now Bryan Gibbons (?), they’ve all had a go, and obviously none of these guys are the solution.

    I know there might be some hesitation to trade within the Conference, that the Penguins may be gunshy with rentals after the Iginla-Morrow-Murray experiment of last season, and that they’re hard up against the cap anyway, but I can’t help but think that Brian Gionta would be a great fit on that line. He could keep up with Sidney, play a defensively responsible game maybe not to the level of Pascal Dupuis, but would be a better finisher than the latter.

    Again, this may not be even realistic, but after seeing Brian draw that second boarding penalty on Saturday, I’m more than ever inclined to think he’d benefit from a change of scenery.

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  19. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    If the vets don’t show up the next two games, clear them out to playoff contenders and play the younger guys. I rather lose with them.

    • jacquesthemonkey says:

      Exackery.

    • jacquesthemonkey says:

      BTW, people forget that the 86 Habs won the cup with 7 rookies in the lineup.

      • Cal says:

        Those ’86 rookies included Roy, Skrudland, and Claude Lemieux. Fresh off an AHL championship, they were ready to make the jump to the big team.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Agreed, but I’d caution that the defence corps consisted of Larry Robinson, Rick Green, Craig Ludwig, Chris Chelios, Gaston Gingras and sophomore Petr Svoboda. The only rookie was Mike Lalor, and he was truly asked to be a #6 defenceman, play defence and play tough, which he did (man I’d love to have that guy on our team right now). So while there was a lot of youth on the team, the defence was experience, deep and talented.

        If we play our youth the rest of the way, we’re asking guys who are barely competent in the AHL to take the giant step to the NHL. We’re asking immature Nathan Beaulieu to deal with the pressure and the jetset lifestyle before he has got his act together enough to show up to training camp in decent shape. Again, I much prefer that we chug to the finish line with our current squad if we must, and let the kids learn their trade at a level more appropriate at this stage of their development.

  20. Plekasuares says:

    Diaz Bourque and a pick for PA, I am highly doubting this

  21. krob1000 says:

    Avs need players with Cup experience

  22. adamkennelly says:

    Renaud Lavoie tweeted something about PA Parenteau potentially being traded and Habs being interested.

    FANTASTIC!!!! man I hope that happens…nothing hockey related but he is french so that checks the most important box around here.

    • johnnylarue says:

      MOAR Molière!

    • krob1000 says:

      Interesting..that would be the GIo replacement right there at 1 millioin less. I would prefer Setoguchi myself but Parenteau is interesting and signed for 2 more years..more of a playmaker though and HAbs are deep in playmakers but lacking in finishers. If the Habs get talking to Colorado a major deal could result….the teams match well with each others needs. Colorado would likely be interested in many of the Habs battle tested vets.

      • BleedsTri-colour says:

        No,no NOT the Gooch. Wildly inconsistent. Disappears for long stretches. Way over-rated. Been watching him here in Winnipeg all season. No wonder Minny got rid of him. Stay away.

        • krob1000 says:

          really…I hve watched a few games and ike his game…I know he sint; a consistent scorer but I find he causes enough commotion and works ahrd enough that he is still effective…I thought he would be perfect guy to play with PLeks with his peed and work ethic. Maybe he only gets ready for national broadcasts? I dunno but I liked the games I have seen him in…admittedly only a few this year…really liked him in playoffs past as well.

    • Walmyr says:

      Nothing about this Parenteau thing on Eklund’s HockeyBuzz…

      So…Parenteau is coming!!!!

    • shiram says:

      If a french Canadian is on the trading block, the Habs are always said to be interested.

    • Luke says:

      Nothing about PA inspires me.

      He is of average size (6′ 190lbs), average point production (~60per season) and I can not recall him ever being a banger.

      His 26 points would certainly off set Gionta’s 25 points if they were swapped (as suggested below).

    • jo_maka says:

      Ummm……I’m gonna say no, thank you very much.
      _________________________________
      Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  23. chemic says:

    if i remember correct, since the Jets came back we always play a “Super Bowl Matinee” against them. Is there any special reason for that or is it just to create a better mood for us Habs Fans to watch the super bowl after a win?

    Guy Boucher in Bern, thats gonna be interesting. Bern is a club who commited themself to a exciting brand of hockey. they fired back a couple of years a coach because his stye of play was simply to boring while the club was about second or thrid in the standings. the president of this club is pretty succesful and has a high standard but is also a complete douche and a arrogant egomaniac. cant wait to see what happend when Boucher pulls his 1-3-1, i expect about some 16`000 people start booing in their own barn.

  24. CH Marshall says:

    well…. Guy has to eat afterall too

  25. BleedsTri-colour says:

    I would like to see Tinordi called up from the Dogs. He played very well last year during the collapse and did a good job shoring up the defense when it was most needed. Markov is less that effective, Emelin is lost right now, and Murray moves at a glacial pace. Not that impressed with Bealieau either (has anyone else noticed that his offensive rushes never amount to anything but a turnover and a scramble back to our own end). Tinordi up now.

  26. Un Canadien errant says:

    @ Eddie:

    I believe the fans weren’t booing the result or the score so much as the lack of effort by the players. The fans can accept a team that loses as long as they’re trying. In 2011-12, we finished dead last in the conference, but guys like the Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole line, Josh Gorges, P.K., Mathieu Darche, they gave their all, and the fans filled the New Forum and didn’t boo, they cheered goals and nice plays and gave the team the respect it deserved. Everyone accepted that this was an off year and that better days were ahead, with bad contracts expiring and a high draft pick coming in June.

    Saturday’s game was a shameful performance, the guys didn’t play as a team, with heart or discipline, and it showed, and the “most knowledgeable fans in the league” let them have it.

    On the one hand, I don’t generally want us to boo our hometown team, it just adds to the perception that Montreal is a tough town to play in, and it’s wiser to Vinnie your way to Philadelphia. On the other though, I subscribe completely to the notion that when you pay Montreal ticket prices, you expect more and can show your displeasure if the team is not giving you a full measure.

    If the team has quit on itself and the coach, and it’s not hard to conjure up that theory based on the evidence, well let it not be with impunity. Let them face the cameras and have to dissemble under the harsh lights, let them mumble about effort and pride and adversity. Let them have to face the snark of the fans when they go pick up a bottle of wine or pick up their dry-cleaning.

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • CJ says:

      Good post. Lots of great points. The booing subject can cause a house divided. I’m not entirely sure what side of the fence I reside upon, however you have identified the two conflicting ideologies on the subject.

      Hopefully there is something to cheer about this week. I’d love to wipe the mat with the Bruins, right in Boston, on Thursday night. Nothing like breaking out of a slump then against an old Adams division rival.

    • Eddie says:

      This team is loaded with character players. Young ones like Gallagher, Eller, Subban. Young veterans like Prust and Plekanec. And vets like Gionta and Markov.

      Lack of effort is what I saw Saturday as well. I think that’s what everyone saw.

      The question is why?

      Why would a team full of character lack effort all at the same time?

      • Eddie says:

        About booing. I would not boo any Hab ever. Period. Never.

        I have been known to give it to the refs, however! Haha!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m still embarrassed about one game I attended where the Expos were being blown out, and Joe Hesketh had to pitch a bunch of innings, can’t remember the situation exactly, but he was getting shelled and they couldn’t pull him. The crowd thinned out, so my drunk buddies and I went right up to the first row and rode the poor guy, we let him have it, and you could see it was getting to him, his facial expression, and I still feel bad about it, to this day. It’s not like he was pitching badly on purpose, he just didn’t have his stuff, but he had to soldier on and get through the innings, and we piled on instead of supporting him.

          If I had my time machine, first I’d go back to the Weimar Republic and take care of that business, nip it in the bud, and then I might go back to that game and talk some sense into the drunk boor I was.

          • Eddie says:

            I was just about to post that I believe the booing starts from those who have had a few too many, and then it spreads.

            What good people are capable of doing because of alcohol. Scary and very sad.

          • newbrunswick troy says:

            love your anecdote!! you sure have a good point … bet you had many a chance to crap on our expos over the years . it was a shame they cancelled the one season they were primed!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Two incidents stood out to me. First, Max was forechecking and swung around the net, hot on the heels of the puck, with two defenders at a standstill behind the net. They just managed to clear the puck out, but Max was in a perfect position to ‘finish his check’. Either player, one with his back to the boards, one facing him, could have been targeted, both had briefly touched the puck, but he just cruised on by.

        Another was P.K. in the defensive zone with the puck along the boards, stopping short and letting go of the puck as he saw Alex Ovechkin swooping in for a hit. Now, P.K. had been slashing/cross-checking/punching Ovie since the start of the game, with the refs turning a blind eye, since this behaviour passes as defensive play these days, but anyway, it’s hard to blame P.K. for having eyes in the back of his head on a swivel, he knew retaliation was coming, but on this instance he completely abdicated his responsibility to take a hit in order to make a play. He coughed up the puck to avoid it instead.

        When two of the players who are the core of your team, who should lead it for the next ten years, make lazy selfish plays like that, it’s an indication that something is wrong.

        • Eddie says:

          Good eyes.

          Now roll back the video to the Pengeuins game. Malkin sweeps past Markov (the second time) and heads directly to the net, crosses through the crease, and scores.

          Subban, instead of defending the area by hitting Markov, chooses to stand and watch.

          Nobody defends Subban as vigorously as I do.

          But there is something wrong with him these past few games, and he is not alone. Markov has played his worst hockey, possibly ever, in a Habs uniform.

    • Cal says:

      Did you have a nice vacation, UCe?

    • B says:

      How did Roy react to Bronx cheering from Habs fans? Did he dig down deeper and try harder, or did he just get frustrated and think to himself “F*ck ‘em”?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  27. Walmyr says:

    So, who will start and who will finish the game tomorrow?

    Price/Budaj or Budaj/Price?

    CHeers

  28. BleedsTri-colour says:

    Why is it so hard to be a Habs fan? Why do our teams completely hit rock bottom in our skids? Other teams go into funks during the course of the long season (ex. Leafs recently); but they seem to somehow keep it together and fight thru it. Remember the ‘Jeckle & Hyde’ team last year and the BIG late season collapse? This appears to be total team collapse 2.0. To play so well (top 4 in power rankings this year/ a top defensive team); and then to come apart at the seams like this. What is with this team??

    • JUST ME says:

      It is our fault in part also. Being a fan means going to extreme with or without the team.
      Never too high never too low they say? Not for the habs fan! Give me 3 wins in a row and up to the cup we go even now when it seems that we are dead men walking.
      It always seem so dramatically worse in Montreal but it happens in every city every year. It`s just that our fan base and our medias have nothing better to do than look for problems and god knows a hockey team has a few !

      May that be a lesson for the future and may i stop being naive in saying that !

  29. BleedsTri-colour says:

    Why is it SO hard to be a Habs fan? Why do we hit ‘rock bottom’ in our slumps? Others team play badly for awhile in the course of a long season (ie Leafs), but why do NO other teams seem to fall completely apart. Why do players like Eller get smoked in the playoffs and kill the team’s chances (by the way, there has NOT been one hit like the Eller hit this season / when has the Dman entered the zone to nail the center coming out > its very rare, but it happened to us at the worst time!) Weird stuff happens to our team that just doesn’t seem to happen to other NHL teams. Why us?

  30. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Increasingly, I believe we need to limp to the end of the season.

    Matty, I want to believe it’s a slump, but it’s it’s getting harder to do so. It looks more and more like too many pieces missing.

    My solution? Don’t log on here, don’t check. Leave it 10 days at a time, try not to get upset by what you find when you do. Next thing you know it’ll be the playoffs, and we won’t be there. Then the trade deadline.

    (I can’t keep my own advice, btw).

    If you want to try and you just can’t get away from hockey, please come and live in Ireland. I’d be very happy to welcome any HIOer here. We’ll follow hurling until next October and then pick our spots on St Catherine.

    (Btw I

    • Lafleurguy says:

      (___)___-6883

      “Bends but won’t break”

    • JUST ME says:

      Actually staying a few days away from HIO does the job. I know what is being written anyway depending on the outcome of the games. It never fails and i even know who will say what !

      It will be a tough road to the playoffs but i know that people hate when we write that but that team was playing … up until a few weeks ago.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I am coming to the point that I want them to lose to shake up management and get a good draft choice. That’s easy to say this morning, but it’s not really how I feel when I am watching a game. Therefore, I guess I’d better stop watching. :)

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Cheers, Guys.

      Sorry if it’s not the first time you’ve read me writing words to this effect, but the problem for the likes of all of us is that, no matter where we are with our brains, when we see the jersey hit the ice, we become fans rather than intelligent beings!

  31. jo_maka says:

    I’d like to go on record and say that Dany Dube would be better than Clement Jodoin, not that his would be the most impactful position but still.
    _________________________________
    Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  32. Mattyleg says:

    We had a really good string of successes in Nov-Dec. and our team was playing good, effective, tough, skillful hockey.

    We are going through a slump now, where we can’t string together more than two passes, and can’t get the puck on the net.

    I believe that this is the normal ebb and flow of the season, and nothing to get terribly worried about, with reference to the big picture. There is so much parity in this league that it is inevitable for these sorts of things to happen. People were calling for Carlyle’s head earlier in the season, and now he’s being measured for a laurel crown.

    If our coach brought us such success earlier in the season, why do people see him as being the main problem now? I don’t think Therrien is free from blame, but I don’t agree that it lies squarely on his shoulders.

    My point: Both this coach and these players are capable of putting together wins, as we’ve seen. They just have to get their mojo going again, and maybe it’s true that a trade is what they need to catalyse around, much like pulling a goalie can often galvanize a team mid-game.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • krob1000 says:

      Sort of agree….but still thinka shakeup of some variety is needed. Too much complacency and way too long of a down swing….the compete level is alarmingly low right now and that is a problem…losing is one thing but the way they are losing is most frustrating. They do not even appear upset to be losing…the guys who seemed upset were Gio, Prusty and Budaj inthe other game…this tealls me more guys have to have a little more urgency and spirit injected back in their games.

    • H.R. PuffNStuff says:

      Keep repeating that and you might even start to believe it.

    • JUST ME says:

      Totally agree Mattyleg .There must be a middle point where we are not playing under or over expectations… That is why no decision will be made by the management right now.
      A bit like when we were wondering what team we had the 28 th in the league or the 2nd in the conference ?

      It is just oh so frustrating to see those gazillionnaires not show up for work. Part of the answer may also be there. For some it may be more a job than a game.

      • Stimpy007 says:

        Because we have soooo many players that have given up on what the coach is preaching its too late IMO. To make the trades we need to make this team a winner, those players just arent there and if they were we dont have the value currently to obtain them. To salvage and maybe win a round this season we need to fire MT so the players snap out of it bigtime! Culture change is needed.

    • kalevine says:

      some good points, but this same thing happened around the same time last year and they didn’t right things. Is it that they are too small and get worned down by playing their style, or that other teams figure them out or start to take games more seriously as the season wears on. Either way, both last year and, so far this year, the team has shown little ability to snap out of it once they plumb the depths we have seen lately

      • Mattyleg says:

        I don’t buy the ‘we’re small and therefore get tired more quickly’ concept. Big guys get tired more quickly, in my experience.

        Last year, don’t forget, we ended up with a spate of injuries which led to our late slump. This season, we had our injuries early, and recovered from that. We didn’t have time to snap out of it last season, as it happened too late. This season, I think we’ll have more of a chance to right the ship.

        As I’ve said, I’d rather this sort of thing happens now than in March/April!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Stimpy007 says:

          Its true about the small thing:

          We are not winning with this size in the middle:
          DD
          Pleky
          Eller
          White

          Its not going to do it!! NEVER!

          Our top 4 D which play at the end of the important games, which we will not win with either.

          Subban
          Markov
          Gorges
          Emelin

          Nope! Must have someone that plays like Gorges but way bigger to handle others teams size. Subie and markov will get worn down. They need to be complimented with size.

          Not sure why MB signed Emelin without seeing how the major surgery would play out??? Dumb! Hopefully he gets back to where he was at last year.

    • ArmyFan says:

      Would really like to agree with you, and certainly hope this is just an aberration. But I think that just as good coaches make in-game adjustments, good coaches also make in-season adjustments as the other teams start to read your style of play and defend against it. Case in point is the power play — once deadly, teams have figured out that all they have to do is pressure PK and Markov on the points; there is no threat down low. MT has arguably not been able to successfully mix it up to create another look on the PP.

      It just seems that the team keeps trying the same thing over, and over, and over without success. Just my opinion.

  33. Hobie Hansen says:

    Norman Flynn, for those who don’t know him, he works for RDS, had a decent junior hockey career and coached a season in the QMJHL. He’s been covering the Habs for many years.

    He does a little spot with Marinaro on TSN 690 a few days a weeks. It seems like he’s a bright analyst/coach.

    Anyway, he’s stating that Marc Bergevin is on the phone as week speak trying to make a trade and shake things up.

    He believes Michel Therrien is on very thin ice. Usually the coach survives one players only meeting, which has happened. If the Habs perform badly the next couple weeks he’s gone.

    Take it for what it’s worth…

    • twilighthours says:

      It’s not worth much, I guess.

      But does this Flynn have a track record of getting scoops?

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Give him a listen one day on TSN 690 in the morning. He’s usually on Mon-Wed-Fri at 10:30 AM.

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        It’s kind of called comon sense I think. The team is playing really poor right now and seemingly getting worse. If they continue to play like they ave the past 3-6 weeks then MB willhave to do what Norman Flynn says. Trade or fire the coach. There isn’t much choice. I am curious though why wouldn’t you give Flynn some credibility on here as a person in the know but you don’t have a problem making suggestions and commenting positively on other posters who at best are of very questionable knowledge

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I usually try to throw something out there that has some substance. Flynn covers the Habs for a living for RDS. True or not his opinion is more valuable than any poster’s here. As usual, anytime a reporter or analyst is mentioned here there’s someone lining up to take a shot at him or discredit it.

        • twilighthours says:

          Huh? I’ve never heard of Norman Flynn. I don’t live in Montreal and don’t listen to TSN690. That’s why I was wondering who he was.

          Dude.

    • krob1000 says:

      They should make some sort of move..doesn’t matter the magnitude but something to let guys know they are accountable and could get shipped to somewhere out of heir control if they do not pick things up. OBviously we would all prefer a big deal where we fleece the other team..but at this point I just think that there are threeoptions…option one is on MT>.make a huge overhaul of thelines…break up dd/Pathc and break up Gio/Pleks and try to rattle the guys. Option 2 is fire the coach…I think in general he has been good for the younger palyers but of late he needs to adjust…overall though I think it unfair for him to take the fall right now for this.Option 3…shake things up off the ice…send someone packing to Winnepeg or somehere so everyone relaizes it coould be them…and Montreal is not so bad….yup they may be expected to block shots but at least it won’t be minus 50 when they wake up.

    • In Hobie I trust. Any news, gossip, rumors or otherwise gives me some hope, but I doubt MB is just now picking the phone up. He’s been at it all year long and keeps reminding us that 29 other teams are looking for the same things that we need;

      1) Sniper (consistent) over 6 feet who skates well and lays 110%
      2) Fore-checking, play making winger over 6-2
      3) Crease clearing defenceman over 6-2 that will drop his gloves and has a great shot and zone smart passes

      I believe MB. No miracles will be made in the next two weeks or two months unfortunately. We’ll just have to lick our wounds.

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • adamkennelly says:

      he needs to do something. can’t approach this w/ blinders on. team was dropping hard end of last year – got slaughtered in the playoffs.

      I honestly though team would be better this year – mainly because I expected Eller, Gallagher, Galchenyuk to improve over last year and I expected Price and Subban to improve as well. Also thought guys like Tinordi or Beaulieu would stick and play well.

      Some of this happened, some did not.

      I personally think the main problem is MT – he’s a dummy and players know it – so they tune him out. Also have too many passengers and frankly too many crap players.

      things are going to get worse not better if changes are not made.

    • New says:

      Well he’d be right about the closed door meetings despite League rules. The Sun Tzu school of management says you have to take a head to get their attention. Cunnyworth? Martin? Therrien? Maybe the wrong heads are being chopped off because no one read the actual lesson. The Emperor didn’t take the general’s head. The general took the head of the Emperor’s favorite. Then everybody got down to work.

    • boonie says:

      Interesting.

      Most GMs give their coach a few chances before give them heave ho. We’ve had the player’s only meeting. We’ve had the AHL call-ups. The next step is usual a minor to moderate trade. If those don’t work, then the next step is the coach.

      MB is on record as wanting to move Bourque and/or Diaz. After that, if things don’t change, MT should be gone.

      The sad part is that Bourque and Diaz should fetch future value – prospects or picks. Not give the coach a chance, we may have to make deals where we pick up equal or longer term salary (think Spacek for Kaberle or the reverse of the Cole/Ryder deal).

      By my calculation, we’ll pick up a middle of the round $3.5m player for Bourque and an over-the-hill guy for Diaz. I can’t image players of that caliber helping MT change things. If they do, it will be a short term blip instead of a better long term future.

      Sest lah vee — as they say.

  34. Luke says:

    Oh here’s an odd one, and sure to fuel many many fires… and if i keeps coming up in future weeks, you can blame me.

    It is often stated that MT is poor communicator.

    Is it possible that the language requirement of the Head Coaching position directly conflicts with the ability of the Head Coach to communicate most effectively with the players on his team.

    The language of the locker room is, for all intents and purposes, English. A coach who speaks English as a second language trying to communicate, in English, with players who also speak English as their second language (Emelin, for example) may impact on the Coach’s ability to make rapid adjustments on the bench or to fully explain what the vision is.

    Just a thought… do with as you please. (I’m ok with the Coach speaking French. After thinking about it this way though, I’d prefer the French was his (or her) second language).

    • shiram says:

      As it relates to Therrien, lack of communication skills is certainly not limited to english.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      I think the language thing is way overblown. Just like Paul Maurice said, most teams play the same way and there isn’t much difference in the overall game plan. I don’t feel there is a communication breakdown at all on the team, just not enough horse’s to sustain an 82 game season. Sure MT can blender up the lines every night and push people in and out of the lineup, but at the end of the day, the team is lacking size to keep the puck in the offensive zone, the skill to create offensively and the mobility on the back end to join the offense and help out. What is the difference between last year’s team and this year’s team? Ryder is gone and briere is here, plus Price is playing far and above better this year, so they shouldn’t be stuck in the rut they are in. They are just gassed and don’t have the bodies to turn it around. I don’t think MT is the problem at all or his english.

      Shaker out!

  35. 100HABS says:

    Wish we had an outdoor game today. Perfect weather here in Mtl.

  36. twilighthours says:

    Steeltown Hab: “You don’t understand the game of hockey if you can’t see how good Eller is, he’s a possession monster.”

    Man, I’m getting tired of being told I don’t understand hockey. I guess this sport is so complicated that I couldn’t possibly get it. Either that, or I’m just dumb.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      He is one of our better players, but I could do without him and have MB dangle him as trade bait to pry buff and kane out of the peg.

      Shaker out!

    • He said Eller is a possession monster? Whoopie. That and a helmet don’t score goals either! Shoot the puck!

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

      • kalevine says:

        as we saw with Gomez, it’s not possession that counts, but what you do with it! But I do think Eller would be able to do more with it if he had the right linemates and was playing his natural position

    • krob1000 says:

      I am confused by this post. Are you saying Eller is not a good possession player or that possession is irrelevant or overhyped or are you still in the anyone but Eller boat from a couple of years ago? I am too lazy to go back and read the other posts.

      • twilighthours says:

        I am in no boat.

        I have pointed out what I see as Eller’s flaws and have been told several times, by several different posters but Steeltown is vocal, that I’m either dumb or don’t know hockey.

        I find it amusing. And sad, as I like to think we can debate hockey without turning this place into another EOTP.

        • krob1000 says:

          Gotcha…I am a huge Eller fan and in the camp that he should be playing with Pacioretty but I also belive the team needs more than a move like that. I also see the benefit right now of leaving Eller in his current role given he needs a new contract and is a kety player moving forward. I suspect they leave him as the odd man out and move him all over until he signs and then next year voikla…he gets deserved (IMO) expanded role and repeats last season again.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I would look more closely at who is pointing the finger at you before you determine that you are the one who is dumb.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • jo_maka says:

      I believe the gist of the post is not ”You don’t know nothing, Jon Snow !!!” but more like ”If you say there is nothing good about Eller, I think you might have somewhat of an issue”.

      Hyperbole is what it is.

      I understand both sides, but at this point I think Eller is part of the solution by staying here, not by leaving.
      _________________________________
      Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  37. frankcasting says:

    At this point, might as well give MT until the Olympic break, eight more games, unless it becomes so obvious that every game will be a repeat of Saturday night or worse. A new coach after Feb 8, should it come to pass, could get a nice two week period to prepare, review video, strategize, put his team together on paper, and then start fresh with his (mostly rested) team after the Olympics are over.

    Loving the Habs since 1965

  38. JF says:

    @ CJ – I agree with your remarks below about Bergevin. It is far too soon to say that he’s a failure. Owing to the previous administration’s repeated trading away of picks, he inherited a depleted prospect cupboard, which he is in the process of restocking through the draft. As for the roster he inherited, it had some building blocks but also major holes. The short-term moves he made to fill those holes have not worked out that well, but at the same time, they haven’t hurt the organization going forward.

    If we miss the playoffs, I think Bergevin will have the opportunity to set his mark on the team at the trade deadline. If he succeeds in trading some of our impending free agents, as well as veterans who do not form part of the team’s long-term core, this will significantly speed up the rebuilding process. After one more draft, he should be in a position to start trading some of our picks and prospects for missing pieces. Only then will we be able to start judging his moves, because these moves will no longer be bandaids but moves for the future.

    As for his choice of coach, he was severely limited by the language criterion and by the lack of candidates. Apart from Patrick Roy, who would likely have demanded a significant share in decision-making, there was almost no one. Like many, I see the hiring of Michel Therrien as a relatively short-term move.

    • I too saw MT as a short term build the youngsters move. Unfortunately, he is not helping them and hurting the team with his discombobulated coaching. Here’s the rub… when MT is thanked for his help and let go (next year it will happen) who do we replace him with??????? JM didn’t work. Claude Julien didn’t (and look at his tenure in Boston)… seems we grind up coaches as well as players.

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • New says:

      That is a sensible view. Remember as well that a coach can only work with what he has. For instance the hire Boucher crowd now sees him hired by Bern, yay. What happened to Bern’s old coach? Briefly he stepped in a couple years ago mid-season, won less than his predecessor but went to the finals. The next year he won the finals. This year they are losing as much as winning, so he is gone and Boucher in with 21 games to go in their season.

      Is Therrien the right coach for the Canadiens? Probably not. Is the current roster the right players for the Canadiens? Probably not. Is changing coaches going to make Moen score 20 goals, Briere put up 70 points, or give new knees to Markov and Emelin? Probably not.

      Roy spoke out and Keane backed him. Gone in the blink of an eye. Cammi spoke up, gone mid game for a guy who explains his own lack of motivation in Gomez speak – got me, what a mystery I am. The message is players play, owners flit about dangling the crest at events. The team is a bauble. It doesn’t matter if it wins or loses as long as the investment increases in value and everyone gets something to chatter about other than their own bad putt on 16.

      Fans just pay the freight.

    • zedder81 says:

      The coach thing is old. There are great bilingual coaches out there. Look at who the candidates where. Roy, Hartley, therein, laviolette. What English coach would you have hired? Julien, Vigneault are two ex hab coaches who have gone to the cup. Boucher was in the system. It’s the players talent level that lacks.

      What English coach was passes over a year ago that is so great?

      In my life the Habs have won 8 Stanley Cups and the Leafs 0. How can you put a value on that?

    • CJ says:

      Thank you for the feedback. I’m trying to offer a different opinion then the majority. I’m certainly no more informed then the next guy and want to win as badly as everyone else who is a dyed in the wool fan like myself.

  39. We need Jacques Lemaire as head coach and Larry Robinson as defensive coach. MB… make it so!

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

  40. jo_maka says:

    In keeping with the Trojan horse approach (shout out to DipsyDoodler !) how about S.Theodore from Anaheim plus a roster player for Markov ? Markov could be a PP insurance in case Fowler goes down in the playoffs.

    I mean a 18 y.o D with 10 G 11 A in the W is not too shabby. I’d rather get a Silfverberg or Noesen but I think there is a reason they pried these kids from Ottawa and they won’t likely let them go.
    _________________________________
    Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      St.Theodore? What is he the patron saint of? Not lost causes I hope.

      Anaheim already lost Souray so need a PP point man no?

      • jo_maka says:

        First name is Shea.
        Would be funny to read Shea Theodore and Shea Weber was spotted Chez Parée :)

        The real question for me is who could the roster player be if we go there ?
        _________________________________
        Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  41. RTJMartin brought up a troubling point. Why when struggling players leave this organization, they do well. That would be ones with talent (Roy being the obvious one).

    Could it be the disorganization? The pressure of the market? The need for immediate results?

    I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • mrhabby says:

      it happens to all teams. I live in Toronto and see this this all the time.

      • Poor you gabby! I know TO has been struggling for years, but I had hopes that our team had more pride as one of the major franchises in sports. Also, as opposed to Columbus, Calgary, Buffalo and other perennial losers who don’t have the history their fans aren’t Montreal fans and there is a difference in that we want a winner now.

        Although, LA’s losing streak, Washington’s losing streak and other long losing teams this year don’t likely have the same visceral response from their fans.

        I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • ont fan says:

      Our players play a defense first system. When they go to other teams they are put in different roles. Price would thrive with descent defense. Markov as a second pairing with less minutes, Eller with wingers who could put the puck in the net.

  42. Le Jadester says:

    Lines IMO should be:

    32-14-21
    49-81-11
    67-51-71
    17-48-8

    79-76
    26-74
    40-61

    31

    If they were like that for four games I would bet a pitcher of Moosehead I ‘d have a better record than MT’s last four games !

    You taking that bet MB or MT ??????

    BTW…its the best you can do with what we’ve got. IF Chucky and Whitey were healthy …53 would replace 17 and 27 would go back to reunite the EGG line and 71 would get bumped out for 49 to take his place. 49 is way better than 71 IMO.

    Habs, OLE !

  43. frontenac1 says:

    Gio deserves a sit. The two stupid penalties last game more than warrant it according to MB”s code of behaviour. Call up Tarnasky for a game or two. Veteran with size,scoring ability and a willingness to drop his Mitts to back up his team mates. It would send a positive message to the team.

    • rljmartin says:

      Whole team has been stupid. On the Eller penalty, the defense had the puck, no pressure, 15 seconds to go, I thought they’ll just ride it out to have a whole 2 minutes to start the 2nd period and no…. they pass it forward and the rest is history. A LOT of players are not thinking but I believe that starts behind the bench.

      • krob1000 says:

        That drove me nuts too…why would they have wanted to split their pp…instead it backfires for pk from pp…that sucked…no reason to advance there…better to have a fresh 2 min pp from the beg of 2nd period

    • Ali says:

      Tarnasky and scoring ability in the same sentence? wow.

      • Luke says:

        In Front’s defense… he didn’t mention HOW MUCH scoring ability…

        ;)

        Yah. Tarnasky is a mediocre AHLer (Don’t get me wrong… he’s better than me) and if I recall correctly, he’s an NHL punching bag. (I may look that up).

  44. boing007 says:

    The Tank began when Montreal traded Roy for Thibault, Rucinscky and Andre ‘The Tank’ Kovalenko.

    Richard R

  45. Habsfan888 says:

    They can always bring back Guy Carboneau.

  46. boing007 says:

    Habs need a Time Machine. Which year would go back to? I vote for 1995.

    Richard R

  47. habs-hampton says:

    I agree that a coaching change is needed, but as long as we are “forced” to hire a francophone coach with NHL experience , the pool is very shallow. When Bergevin hired MT, the other option (the ONLY other option) was Bob Hartley. How do you think THAT would have worked out?

  48. ClutchNGrab says:

    Sometimes, when new management come in an organization, they see most of what the previous administration have done as wrong and try to do the complete opposite.

    While Pierre Gauthier was really secretive about his team and his administration, Bergevin decided oppenness was key (24CH, being the best example).

    While Jacques Martin kept defending his players, especially his veterans, Therrien decided the media could be a tool to pass his message accross(White last year, Subban this year).

    Both are starting to realize the task ahead requires much more than cosmetic changes. Looking at the team, I would say a maximum of 3 players (Subban, Price, Pacioretty-maybe) would keep the same roster spot on a legitimate Stanley Cup contender (Chicago, Pittsburgh, San Jose).

  49. JUST ME says:

    Very happy for Boucher. If some players need to go in the minors to build up theit confidence i think that this is also good for coaches. At best Boucher would be a good assistant in the NHL. As a head coach he is a lame duck , in Montreal a dead duck.

  50. boonie says:

    We recognize that developing talent differs from player to player. Guys like Sid can have an immediate impact as an 18 year old. Ryan Johansen (picked fourth overall in 2010) took a few extra years to develop. He’s the leading scorer in Columbus and on pace for 30 goals.

    Coaches are people too. Boucher developed in the Q. We (yes, we – as in hand a plan) let him hone his craft in the AHL. In 2+ years in Tampa, he was 97-78-20, good for .548 points/game. Therrien’s career mark, .544. Martin, .551.

    None of them have won it all. Martin lost two conference finals in his long coaching career. Therrien was better, he ended up with the second prize in 2007/08. In his first year, Boucher matched Jacques high water mark.

    Arguably the best coach in salary-capped league is Bill Belichick. He was a bust as Cleveland’s HC. Still a genius. But, immature, arrogant and clearly, unprepared. Co-ordinator gigs with the Jets and Pats prepared him for greatness. Since 2000, it’s hard to find a better coach in any pro sport than Bill.

    Wherever Boucher continues his development, he will be a better coach next time he gets an NHL chance. And, he will get another shot.

    We will be ready when he’s ready. It’s a small window to time coaching hires. Too early and they’re not ready. Too late and another grabs them.

    If language skills winnow the candidate list, we have few alternatives than any other team. We may not have the luxury of waiting too long.

  51. boing007 says:

    Norman Flynn just said on TSN 690 that MB will keep quiet for now, try to make an impactful trade and if nothing pans out it could be Hasta la Vista for you know who.

    Richard R

  52. Habsfan888 says:

    I really feel we need Brandon Prust as Captain. The guy has guts and leadership qualities. Lets make it happen

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Prust is great in his role but 4th line players aren’t captains, that’s just a fact.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  53. --Habs-- says:

    Peter Laviolette? What has he done! 1 and out coach who happeded to come in the SC final with the hottest goalie in hockey against the last seed into the playoffs. Whats he done since?

    “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

  54. shiram says:

    Welp I did not watch saturday’s game, I had a bad feeling about it and a better offer for my evening.
    It could be said that some of our players are playing it safe and avoiding injuries before the Olympics. Maybe the flu is still going around.
    Even if the players have not given up on Therrien, they play a boring pathetic game, that seems ill suited to the players.

    • habs-hampton says:

      I watched the entire debacle.

      cleaning toilets down at the bus station would have been a better offer.

    • --Habs-- says:

      The bad play didn’t start yesterday! Remember the 10 game winnning streak when they were being peppered and blocking 40 – 60 shots a game while 30 – 40 were getting through! Thats terrible hockey! Was that the flu too?

      “Habs” Watch and learn….! Or Not!

  55. jo_maka says:

    On the last thread, we discussed about trading Markov, and the King’s abysmal PP situation came up.

    Well now, twitter got this tidbit:

    https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/427350378074484736

    The ”mayor” is John Hoven who seems to be a reliable source for everything LAK as he called several trades before.

    Thoughts ?

    _________________________________
    Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  56. CJ says:

    I disagree with the notion that Bergevin has failed thus far. The reality is that this is the doing of the previous management team. Take a look back, beginning in 2008 through 2011 at our draft picks. Not the players drafted, but the number of picks and the rounds in which we selected. Certain years we had one pick in the first four rounds. Trading away those picks has depleted this organization of depth. Prospects, following their draft year are generally between 1-5 years away from being ready to take that next step. The void that exists today is the result of having traded away picks on rentals. Matthieu Schneider, the Wiz, Alex Tanguay, etc.

    There is no band aid for this deficiency but time. If Bergevin does one thing this spring, I hope it’s moving any of our UFA’s for picks. Giving away picks for short term solutions will only further stall any sort of turnaround.

    Again, the signings, as bad as they might have been did not deplete our future picks. If any of those signings can be flipped for a pick, then it’s a step forward. Whether we had Jagr in place of Briere and/or Tom Gilbert in place of Murray this was still not going to be our year. Take this year for what it is and make the necessary, albeit difficult, decisions that will have the greatest impact going forward.

    • Eddie says:

      Hiring Therrien was a huge mistake. It can not be overlooked.

      • CJ says:

        Honestly, in this league, as in others, the coach does impact the results, but only to a certain degree. Again, I’m not a Therien fan. I can’t be clearer when I say this, but look back at some of our losses. The game in Toronto? Three or four errors, and each resulted in a goal against. That was a winnable game despite some of the odd (questionable) personnel choices. I’m all for a new coach, but who? Finish the year and let’s evaluate in the off season.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        His options were quite limited at the time. I don’t think a Hartley or Crawford does much different. I still believe that he knew MT was a placeholder, the question was would he get 2 possibly 3 years out of him, while MB assessed the team and remained patient.

        I didn’t like the hiring then, I don’t like it now, but for some reason I really like MB and trust him. I recognize this sounds like blind faith, but for some reason i have it.

        • Eddie says:

          I had the blind faith too. I was very happy when Bergevin was hired! He seemed perfect.

          But hiring Thrrrien, then 4 years for Desharnais, renewing Bouillon, signing Briere, all were mistakes which I pointed out at the time. Tey were obvious mistakes.

          He gets a pass for now.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I agree.
      The GM needs at very least 5 years to show where he sees the team going. MB is also a rookie, so we have to be understanding and tolerant of his mistakes, as we were tolerant of PK’s when he started, along with Eller, Glachenyuk, and now Beaulieu.

      Briere was more of a gamble that didn’t pay off than a mistake, in my opinion, and DD’s contract is a good one, and would have looked better if he hadn’t spent so long in his early-season slump.

      We’ll see how his drafts turn out, and what kinds of trades he makes before we start throwing the book at him. He hasn’t traded any picks, as CJ points out, so by that token, he is sticking to his word of building the team through the draft.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • adamkennelly says:

        Briere a gamble that didn’t turn out? I am not letting him off the hook on that one.

        that was a language over hockey decision – and if the GM can’t figure out that another tiny player is not what this team needs – then he is not doing his job properly.

        also – he hired MT.

        he gets a C grade at best – because he hasn’t done anything to make this team better and has done a few things which made it worse – in fact – I’ll make that a D grade.

        • CJ says:

          Respectfully, I could go through every organization and reach that same conclusion. Mistakes are made. Th next GM with a perfect record will also be the first.

          Bergevin has made his share, no looking past that, but he hasn’t hurt us long term up to this point. Like I’ve said, the next 6 weeks to six months will help define the future of this organization under Bergevin’s guidance.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Fine, don’t let him off the hook.
          You’re smarter than he is.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Cal says:

      Smarter UFA signings, including DD’s signing, would have been much appreciated by folks like me.
      Brière’s signing was bullshit. Murray was an okay signing, but Tom Gilbert was a better option.
      Frankly, if some vets were moved for the future during the summer everyone’s expectations would have been tempered.
      Yes, it does take time, but stupid moves and non-moves shouldn’t be a part of that.

      • CJ says:

        We take it for granted that they could be moved. We simply don’t know. It was reported, at the draft, that Montreal was aggressively trying to move up. If you can’t find a trading partner, you can’t make a move.

    • boing007 says:

      All UFAs, not some.

      Richard R

    • kalevine says:

      rookie GM or not, he is fully accountable for several mistakes that most of us would not have made.

      1) Briere – I disagree that it is a gamble that didn’t pay off, that seems far too generous. Not for 4 mill that used to be Cole or Ryder, and not with Jagr and Iginla available. Moreover, he had dismissed the idea of Jagr because he wanted to let the youth play. Then he signed Briere! And how is that youth icetime working out?
      2) DD signing, and all the machinations that have resulted to get him going
      3) extensions to several guys for too much money even before their level of play dropped
      4) drafting more tiny players
      5) hiring a retread coach who failed miserably the first time around, especially when he melted down as Habs were poised to go to the semi finals, and sapped the morale right out of the team. We all wanted to move forward, with new blood

      I missed a few but others will get them

      • CJ says:

        He is accountable. I’m not suggesting he hasn’t erred. To suggest however that many of us would not have made mistakes grossly underestimates the complexities associated with being a general manager. In our most recent draft, we grabbed McCarron, DLR and Crisp who all have above average size. Yes, we selected some smaller players, but I think we must also recognize the round and position in which these players were selected. I’m not sure who the several extensions are. I can think of Elemin and DD. DD I wasn’t fussy about, but Emelin and Price got what they deserved.

        Again, Bergevin has been far from perfect, but I’d invite you to take a look at the GM’s just within our division. Each has made mistakes. It’s not an exact science. The Briere signing is nothing compared to errors others have made.

  57. jo_maka says:

    I stick to my guns and say Peter Laviolette is still the best option of all the unemployed right now, even when Boucher was still looking.

    I’m all for the french stuff since english is not my first language but come on, the whole front office (minus Mellanby, Dudley and Timmins) are french speaking, we have 4 french-speaking players and 3 of the bench bosses speaks french as a native language (2 if you take out MT). That means we have a lot of options for media contacts in french after the games.

    I know you’ll bring back the Cunneyworth debacle, but he only had Larry Carrière as a somewhat french something around, Darche as a go-to guy for interviews and DD. That’s not the kind of french support that Laviolette will get here.

    Plus it will help build this new tradition we have of hiring english boys with a french name (Bourque, Beaulieu, Gallant…)
    _________________________________
    Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting sidenote to Team Canada and its captain. Crosby asked Toews for his blessing.

    http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/2014/icehockey/story/_/id/10333936/sidney-crosby-got-jonathan-toews-ok-accept-canada-captaincy

  59. habsguru says:

    Habs have lost last 3 games without Parros in the line up, just sayin’

    *fire everyone, then fire the guy doing the firing.

  60. careysubban3176 says:

    What about Peter Laviorette? Is he doing anything right now? But of course if he doesn’t happen to speak some French forget about it.

    Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

  61. mrhabby says:

    I was never impressed with Boucher when he was with Tampa. I think he needs more seasoning at the pro level and if in Europe that’s all good. Hope he comes back and coachs in the NHL some day. Good for GB.

  62. Propwash says:

    The savior is gone!!!

    DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

    ____________________
    DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

  63. DipsyDoodler says:

    I have a serious question.
    What does it mean to most of you to support the Canadiens?

    I ask because, collectively, you seem to dislike most of the players, hate the coaches and management, loathe the city of Montreal and the province of Quebec.

    What are you cheering for? The logo?

    I mean, are you really upset because the team with one logo is beating the team with the other logo?

    (Thinking about it, that’s no more odd than cheering for players just because they play for your team.)

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      I’m a canadiens fan. Players coaches management will come and go. If a player / coach is disgracing the jersey I’ll rage on them and want them gone. Seems legit to me

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • careysubban3176 says:

      I cheer and also boo because I want a winner. When you say Habs I think of 24 Stanley Cups and all the rich history that goes along with that. We Habs fans are so accustomed to winning that when we haven’t won anything for 20 plus years now it’s getting REALLY frustrating because us Habs fans only know about winning.

      Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

    • mrhabby says:

      a lot of peeps have grown up with them and remember the good old days. with the advent of the internet and 24/7 coverage ( not all good mind you) you get lots of opinions. its beyond me why fans get all bent out of shape over the teams but I do get the emotional attachment.

    • Propwash says:

      I cheer for the team win or lose. It’s pointless to get all bent out of shape over things we as fans cannot change.

      ____________________
      DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

    • arcosenate says:

      That’s a pretty arrogant statement/accusation. the vast majority of people here are here to support the Habs. They want them to win, isn’t that the objective?

      They have not won a cup in two decades and are not winning now, we’ve been through this before.

      Pretty much every season.

      It’s time for the most storied franchise in the NHL to get its collective act together and win.

      for you to accuse people of hating the city of Montreal and the province of Quebec is not to be taken seriously.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Hey arco – nothing arrogant really – I’m asking what is meant by ‘supporting’ the Habs.

        What definition of support includes criticizing the players constantly?

        As far as hating Montreal, it’s a daily assertion on H I/O that we can’t attract anyone to play here because of “the problems with Montreal” – taxes, language etc … Fine, but then pick another team.

        • arcosenate says:

          Pick another team?

          Man come on, that’s the arrogance coming through again, we’re Hans fans, but we’re not blind. There have been some horrendous decisions made over the past few years which we still have not recovered from.

          If the players aren’t performing the criticism is genuine, and as a lifelong Habs fan I reserve the right to judge, it’s called being a fan, it works both ways.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Hmm, got modded.
            No idea why.

            Try again:
            Dispy has a point, as there are some fans on here who will spew negative garbage about the Habs, win or lose. It often makes me wonder why they bother.

            You may be taking this too personally; if this doesn’t apply to you, then pass it over.

            We can be critical, for sure, but some people seem to have made a fetish of ragging on players/coaches/management just to suit some twisted missing piece in their lives.

            I try to see the best in this team, because I love them. if you really love someone/something, you won’t spend large segments of the day criticizing them and finding fault with them. That’s an abusive relationship!!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • kalevine says:

            Please, if this doesn’t apply to you, pass it on. There are people who spend a good part of their day here responding to almost every negative comment, making sure none of them slips by unchallenged. Sounds like a fetish covering up something in their lives :)

    • Luke says:

      That’s it Dipsy. It’s the logo. It’s a bizarre thing.

      There are players I like on other teams (Datsyuk, Pietrangelo, Tavares) that’ll I’ll go out of my way to watch. But I don’t care about them as much as I care about PK, Price or Travis Moen.

      As soon as any of the Current Habs stars moves on, they may fall into the category of watchable players (PK) but mostly I’ll lose track and not really care about them.

      The reason is two fold:
      1) They aren’t Habs.
      2) Most of the players on any team are sort of generic players that don;t stick out. We only know about the Moen’s, Diaz’s or Bournival’s because they play for the Habs, not because they warrant league wide attention.

      So I support the Canadiens. I support the players, but only because they play for the Canadiens.

      As Jerry Seinfeld put it:

      Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify. Because the players are always changing, the team can move to another city, you’re actually rooting for the clothes when you get right down to it. You know what I mean, you are standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt, they *hate* him now. Boo! different shirt!! Boo.

      I cheer for laundry.

    • knob says:

      I want to see the best possible product on the ice. I’m not interested in seeing players kept just so the Franchise “earns playoff revenue” and I’m not interested in seeing players given ice time simply because they were born in Quebec.

      I recognize that this roster is not a cup worthy roster. What bothers me is that we continue to hold back the young guys in favour of the vets, who quite frankly hold the team back.

      I want to see Eller and Galchenyuk play, not Desharnais and Briere. I want Tinordi and Beaulieu playing, not Bouillon and Diaz. I will accept the losses knowing that in 2-3 years the experience and confidence that these players get will make this team much better.

      Here is my view of the management for this team:
      MB & MT seem to slight pending UFAs/RFAs (you know the guys that will cash in at season’s end). Example: constant comments about how they are “turning Subban into a player” or breaking the success Eller is having to support Desharnais. Is this because they want to see Eller signed at a smaller contract? Maybe I’m creating conspiracy.

      MB seems too worried about public relations and micro managing future contracts.

      MT seems more worried about protecting his job (can’t honestly blame him) at the expense of developing the youth.

      Sorry if my response is a bit disorganized. I cheer for the Habs. I complain because I don’t agree with the way that I think things should be going.

    • Cal says:

      I’ve been a fan of the Habs as far back as I can remember. My household was crazy about them, starting with my father’s favourite The Rocket and Toe Blake. My older brother went on to write Lions in Winter, Jean Beliveau: My Life in Hockey, Larry Robinson for the Defence amongst others.
      Through all the turmoils and the last two decades of bs we’ve witnessed, all of us have remained fans of the CH.

  64. Eddie says:

    People like to post about patience, and I understand their intent. Don’t be hasty. Take your time and you will likely get to a more informed solution. These are excellent ideas in “theory”.

    Ok. Now for the reality.

    The fans here in Montreal are going too boo the team out of the building on Tuesday if they play like they did on Saturday. Even Plekanec was looking up in disbelief when the fans sarcastically cheered every shot on net.

    There is no such thing as “patience” when it comes to Habs fans in this town.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It will be interesting to see how MB deals with the pressures.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      The good news is the Olympic break is coming up.

      The bad news is I think we have 5 more home games before then.

      It could get ugly.

      Maybe Therrien’s strategy ought to be to go to an extreme trap and just play for the 0-0.

    • Habsbill24 says:

      Patience disappeared when tickets went from $20 to $300 a game. If you charge a premium entertainment price there better be effort from the team. No one would even question people booing if you went to a concert and the singer forgot the words too the song or to a play where the actors stubbed through their lines. There was no effort this at week and management has no clue what to do about it.

      • Luke says:

        I won’t pay $300 for a ticket because you are rolling the dice with it. You could get a stinker like Saturday or a gem like Chicago game.

        To your second point though, I don’t think people would boo and actor or a singer for flubbing lyrics/lines. I think most would question someone who started booing actors in a live performance.

        I seem to recall Pavorati missed a few notes during one performance and received jeers, but aside from behaviour, I can’t recall anything like that happening.

    • Cal says:

      The Hab fans there had every right to boo the lack of effort. They should be booing Therrien every time his mug is on the clock at center ice, too.
      Win or lose, the fans want to see some effort. Some fire. Some caring by the players. We’ve seen none of this from most of the passengers Saturday night.

  65. mushalain says:

    As much as I don’t like Michel Therien and his use and treatment of certain players, there is blame to go all around. Can you really blame MT for duds like Rene Bourque who makes nothing happen for himself or his teammates? Or Daniel Briere who no longer carries NHL skating capabilities? M. Bergevin is the one who should be taking the heat. What GM has ever had all of his free agent signings/extensions (outside of Prust) ride the pine in and out of the lineup. Briere, Emelin, Murray, Bouillon, Parros.

    Habs also carry a “lame duck” captain at the moment. And a possible lame duck assist in Markov. How do you think this effects the leadership in the locker?

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      He chooses to limit the ice time of players who can actually help (Bournival, Galchenyuk, no Subban on the PK, rides Markov to the ground, no Eller on the PP).

      Offseasons signings were bad but he’s crippling the team with his usage. If we’re really that bad why not ride 2 solid lines and a good 3rd/4th?

      Eller – Plek should be Centers 1-2 no questions

      Pacioretty – Plekanec – Gionta/Bournival
      Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallagher
      Bourque – Briere/DD – Leblanc
      Moen – White – Prust

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

      • adadi says:

        Best line combos I’ve seen all season. And while we’re at it, put PK and Markov together. Put Diaz and Beaulieu together and bring up Tinordi and Pateryn.

      • mushalain says:

        That’s what happens when you team (outside of Patches) is full of 2nd/3rd line players who are nothing more than 10-15 goal scorers. I still don’t understand the love for Eller. He has skill but the brains and hockey iq of a 10 year old.

        That lineup (although not your fault) is horrendous. Lets compare your top 6 to the top 6 of good teams.

        Pacioretty – Plekanec – Gionta/Bournival
        Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallaghe

        VS

        Chi – Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Saad, Versteeg
        Ana – Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne, Bonino, Penner, Cogliano
        SJ – Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Burns, Hertl, Couture
        Stl – Backes, Oshie, Steen, Tarasenko, Shwartz, Roy, Stewart
        LA – Carter, Richard, Brown, Williams, Kopitar, King
        COL- Duchesne, O’Reilly, Mackinnon, Lakensdog, Stastny, Parenteau
        Van – D.Sedin, H.Sedin, Kesler, Higgins, Santorelli, Burrows
        Min – Koivu, Pominville, Parise, Heatley, Niederreiter, Cooke

        • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

          Hi iq is actually off the charts, it’s just that he has to, has to, has to have the puck … As a centre he is great, give him a grinder and a sniper and watch the points pile up.

          But as a winger he is beyond lost and isn’t NHL caliber.

          And yet two coaches see his size and speed and think, hey this guy would be a great winger.

          Nope.

          “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

        • Steeltown Hab says:

          You don’t understand the game of hockey if you can’t see how good Eller is, he’s a possession monster. Give him consistent PP time and wingers like Gallagher Pacioretty and all the average fans will consider him far and above the best center on the team.

          ———————————

          Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • RUSTIE says:

      We have so much dead wood we could have a big fire. Have to clean house. There is only about 4 0r 5 that should be kept, the rest if you can find a buter get rid of them.

      Joe Laplane

  66. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So after careful consideration of all options, countless blackboards filled and erased with intense permutations based on SO many factors (height, weight, truculence, Total TOI, PP TOI, PK TOI, benching TOI, on-ice matchups TOI, etc). The pseudocode is telling me that this team only needs one thing to get back on track…

    CKC (Crest Kissing Celebrations).

    After anyone scores on this team moving forward it should be mandatory to follow up said goal (whether in a meaningless routing)…by KISSING THE F’N CH CREST!

    Take pride in wearing the Bleu Blanc Rouge for a change.

    Where’s Galchenyuk when you need him!

    ======================================
    Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!
    ======================================

  67. habsguru says:

    repost from last thread

    i don’t get the idea of rebuild through draft when all year the CH have comfortable been in a playoff spot. forgetting about the last two weeks, would it not make more sense to make a creative trade? surely PHI or NYR are looking to do something stupid.

    he would be missed, but could there be a good return for Budaj? he’s still got the game to be a starter, and some teams are really hurting for goalies. bundle him with one of our many dogs, make the trading partner feel good about it, and see if they can’t build from it, THOUGHTS????

    oh yeah, and fire MT. couldn’t resist.

  68. Ian Cobb says:

    Sportsfan just put up this RINGING ENDORSEMENT link for Guy Boucher. Check it out.
    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  69. HabinBurlington says:

    One former Hab whom I always thought would become a great Head Coach in the NHL was Mike Keane. He also has the fire, passion that perhaps could succeed as an Anglo Head Coach.

    I don’t think he ever got into coaching though and I believe is working with the Winnipeg Jets in Player Development.

  70. Steeltown Hab says:

    We’re not San Jose: We don’t have vets like Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Burns, etc.

    How Therrien thinks he can lean on the vets and use a guy like Bournival who we desperately need in a 4th line role, Galchenyuk 12 mins a night is one of the many reasons this guy is lost.

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

  71. Habitoban says:

    You can’t trade spare parts for finished product. I would be fine with trading Patches right now. Being on Team USA, his stock may never be higher in American markets that it is today. No question he is a goal scorer. But I don’t think he’s ever been much of a team player. Remember when he didn’t want to come up from the Dogs if he was only going to waste his time with 4th line minutes. Or more recently, not passing to LL on a 2 on 1 late in the game that would have given the kid a chance at a goal. Patches plays small, doesn’t work the boards (I guess that’s Gally”s job — what a waste of a sniper!) and even though he can check, witness his play on the PK from time to time, he doesn’t seem to want to bother to bring that to 5 on 5 situations. No question we need scoring and Patches is a scorer. But I could live with a return of scoring by committee if we got some real long-term value from trading Patches. The only problem is with Patches gone, “What do we do with Sancho Panza?”

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Pacioretty has no commitment to being a better hockey player, just seems perfectly content being a one dimensional 30-goal floater.

      Doesn’t mind watching the future of the franchise (Gallagher) get beat up after every whistle either. I don’t expect him to man up and step in everytime but I haven’t seen him come to his defense one time.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • mushalain says:

      Patches is one of the NHL’s best valued players in term of performance vs Salary. If you got a player in return that gives the same production you will pay an extra 2 million per season. Certain players have roles, and Patches is to score goals which he does.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        So why do Eller, Galchenyuk, Bournival all these guys have to develop a complete game but Pacioretty, Desharnais don’t who are the ones getting so much ice? Tell me which superstars today aren’t complete players.

        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

        • ffenliv says:

          Patches has the potential to be a 40 goal guy. Not every player is going to have all the dimensions. Of the others you mentioned. only Galchenyuk really, I think, has the potential to put up big points. The other guys need to rely on a more complete game to bring as much to the table.

  72. arcosenate says:

    Therrien must have spent all morning voting on the HIO website to have 32%.

    If they turn this around it will be based on team and individual pride because the coach doesn’t seem capable of changing much for the positive.

    And when the GM only seems to be floating the names of two players no team in the league would want in Briere and Bourque, not much is going to be accomplished via trade.

    They can turn it around but they’re going to have to look in the mirror and suck it up.

  73. CJ says:

    Maybe the focus will now shift from the coach to the men inside the dressing room.

  74. kalevine says:

    so much for boucher not getting any other jobs

    ps I’m first, for the first time, and almost by accident


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