Habs’ Therrien faces heat while Guy Boucher takes coaching job in Switzerland

With many Canadiens fans calling for coach Michel Therrien to be fired following Saturday’s embarrassing 5-0 loss to the Washington Capitals, Guy Boucher – one of the possible candidates to coach in Montreal – is headed to Switzerland to coach SC Bern.

TSN.ca reported Monday morning that SC Bern had announced Boucher (photo above) as their new head coach. The 39-year-old coached the Habs’ AHL farm club in Hamilton before making the move to the NHL to become head coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning. Boucher posted a 97-78-20 record over two seasons with the Lightning before being fired last season.

As of 1:30 p.m. Monday on our HI/O poll question, 69 per cent said the Canadiens should fire Therrien.

After a day off Sunday, the Canadiens practised Monday morning in Brossard as they prepare to face the Carolina Hurricanes Tuesday night at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., RDS, TSN Radio 690). Louis Leblanc missed the practice due to an illness, while Alex Galchenyuk – who is recovering from a broken hand suffered three weeks ago – skated alone before practice and is on schedule with his recovery.

Therrien confirmed after practice that Carey Price, who has been pulled in two of his last three starts, will be in goal against the Hurricanes when the Canadiens will be looking to end a four-game losing streak. The Canadiens have only four wins in their last 13 games (4-7-2).

After practice, Therrien spoke to reporters in Brossard about the pressure of coaching and playing in Montreal.

“We know we play in a very passionate market, and that’s something we’ve emphasized with our players,” Therrien said.

“What I keep reminding our players is to stay humble and concentrated when we are having success; you are never as good as people say when things are going well. On the flip side, you are never as bad as you think when things are not going well. You need to stay in that same pattern and to keeping doing the right things regardless of what’s happening. My only preoccupation was making sure we have a good practice today.”

After facing Carolina, the Canadiens will travel to Boston to face the Bruins Thursday night and then play back-to-back Super Bowl weekend afternoon games at the Bell Centre against the Tampa Bay Lightning on Saturday and the Winnipeg Jets on Sunday. Both of those games are 1 p.m. starts.

The Hurricanes play host to the Columbus Blue Jackets Monday night before travelling to Montreal.

Here’s how the Canadiens’ lines and defence pairings looked at Monday’s practice:

Eller-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher
Prust-Briere-Bourque
Moen-Bournival-Parros

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Murray-Beaulieu
Bouillon-Diaz

(Photo by Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images)

Canadiens in danger of slipping out of playoff spot, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Pacioretty embraces adversity, a word that’s practically his middle name: Stubbs column

Practice notebook, Canadiens.com

Post-practice interviews (video), Canadiens.com

Canadiens are playing like alien zombies, by Jack Todd for The Gazette

The heat is on for Habs, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Are Habs a bad team or in a bad stretch? TSN.ca

1,182 Comments

  1. jackbutt says:

    Leblanc sent down to Hamilton.

  2. CHicoHab says:

    If any trades are to happen ( don’t think they will) must be a block buster or nothing. Like a 3-4 player swap. Team needs new look, new blood.

  3. habstrinifan says:

    After listening to Chris Nilan, I am placing the DUNCE CAP on my head and going to the corner. I retract my kneejerk criticism. If AVS offered just Parenteau for Bourque then MB was right in turning deal down. In Nilan’s words, “going big” is too overriding a requirement now to deviate for an average scorer.

    As Nilan put it, he would indeed score soome more goals than Bourque but we wouldnt be any further ahead PERIOD.

  4. Forum Dog says:

    My take on the Parenteau rumour is that it is a trade that could work if they are able to get rid of a comparable contract, and are willing to bounce another RW. There is no point getting Parenteau and having him be another offensive player who can’t find his groove on the 4th line. He could however be a nice compliment on the top nine since he is basically a bigger, stronger and slightly more competitive hybrid of Desharnais and Briere. He is not a great skater though, and would not have the luxury of playing with Tavares or Duschene.

    It’s a tough one ’cause his contract is considerable, but if you assume that they move one contract out and let another expire (i.e. Gionta), then it might not become a cap issue. The other factor is whether or not it would affect what happens with Leblanc, who is already finding NHL opportunities hard to come by.

  5. ClutchNGrab says:

    I just saw that Marco Sturm retired .

    You have to admire San Jose management. They have that ability to trade their players while they have value but just before they become useless:

    – Jonathan Cheechoo
    – Ryan Clowe
    – Dany Heatley
    – Douglas Murray

    Soon enough they’ll be trading Dan Boyle.

  6. adadi says:

    I still see Patches as trade bait. He is a soft, lazy and a not so smart player with a great shot. My guess is that in a couple of years he wlll at best become another Camilleri or another Ryder. He also has the potential to become a Bourque. Anyway, Pacioretty is probably the most valuable asset we want to trade and he would be worth a bundle if traded soon.

    • Propwash says:

      Trading Patches is a great way for the team to shoot themselves in the foot.

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      • jo_maka says:

        It all depends on the return, Prop !

        “All right, they’re on our left, they’re on our right, they’re in front of us, they’re behind us…they can’t get away this time”

    • bwoar says:

      I share your evaluation on Pacioretty. But having thought about it, a 30-goal scorer who doesn’t backcheck is still worth 4.5M. If he were being paid a cent more it would be larceny, but for waht he IS willing and capable to do, his contract is good value. Every team has a guy or two who plays 100-foot hockey. It’s not great, but it’s not hurting the team so much.

      Having that on the “1st” line, now, that’s kinda painful to watch sometimes.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah, he should be our secondary scorer, and PP sniper.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • boing007 says:

        All players are overpaid. Stop evaluating players by their production numbers compared to their salary.

        Richard R

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        bwoar, come on, don’t get sucked in. Max is soft and lazy? Please, this is so overstated it verges on the inflammatory.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/max-pacioretty-is-courageous-warrior.html

        We all remember him coming back from a broken neck, right? How about when he returned to the lineup weeks before it was expected from his appendectomy? These are the most spectacular examples of his toughness, but he has routinely played through pain and overcame injuries.

        Two seasons ago, he hurt his wrist in the eighth game of the season against the Panthers, knocking him out of the game. There were whispers that he might be out for weeks. He played in the next game and scored two goals plus an assist in a 5-1 win against Philadelphia. After the game he allowed that doctors recommend he sit out a couple of games to avoid the risk of aggravating the injury, but he didn’t want to miss a game against the Flyers. I didn’t see any clowns running around then squawking that he was soft.

        Look, you want to take a position that he doesn’t play physical enough, that you wish that he’d bodycheck more, muck and grind in the corners, joust in front of the net to get more garbage goals, then say that, precisely. Don’t say that he’s ‘soft’, because that’s inaccurate and untrue. It’s actually lazy and stupid to say that.

        • adadi says:

          You misunderstand my comment. He is not my favourite cup of tea but Patches has been a positive for the team. My point is that I suspect he is one of those players with diminishing returns set to kick in relatively early in his career. Therefore the smart move would be to unload him and get parts that will have increasing return for the foreseeable future.

  7. bwoar says:

    Rene Bourque, here’s an idea buddy: start chirping about other players’ mothers. It works!

    “thoroughbred”

  8. Mattyleg says:

    Any predictions for tonight’s game?
    I’m not usually much for these sorts of things, but for some reason, I have a 4-3 victory etched in my mind…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  9. krob1000 says:

    Rewatching some 24/7 pens caps last night…forgot how Crosby took that big hit, never went unconcsious and played rest of game, seemed well enough but that was later determined to be the big hit that did the most damage…man concussions are weird.

  10. bwoar says:

    Anyone who has trouble watching Montreal’s PP should sit through Vancouver’s awkward attempts to score with the man advantage.

    Dan Hamhuis is no Markov, let’s just say. It’s an ugly, ugly beast.

    “thoroughbred”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I shudder at the thought that he made it on the Canadian Olympic team. Sometimes the brass overthink their selections, and that’s how we end up with Kris Draper on the roster, or Rob Zamuner. Dam Hamhuis is a nice player, like a Josh Gorges cranked up to 11, but he doesn’t deserve to be on the team ahead of Kris Letang or Dan Boyle.

  11. habsguru says:

    imaging if we had Ari Gold for a GM!

  12. Plekasuares says:

    C’mon Rene. He can play so much better. EFFORT EFFORT EFFORT

  13. Ian Laperriere was born in Montreal, is an assistant coach in Philly, and played 1,100 games, amassing 2,000 PiMs and a Masterton Trophy along the way. He killed penalties effectively, and once took a slapshot to the mouth, sat out the 2nd period, lost 7 teeth and got 50-100 stitches, and came back for the 3rd period — and that was just a regular-season game. The guy is all heart and guts, and knows hockey.

    Just sayin’. : )


    Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

  14. wutabi says:

    The beauty of multi-player deals is it’s harder to identify the winner. Bourque seems like a bust, but Cammi hasn’t altered Calgary’s fate. We were never going to see Ramo play, but they have him up. Patrick Holland looked like a steal, briefly. Fucale could make it lean in our favour.
    This team has depth at one position . . . 2nd line centres.
    If the future down the middle is Eller and Gally (I hope it is). That leaves plekanec and desharnais. If you can keep Plekanec as a two-way centre and Eller and Galchenyuk continue to improve, you have a solid top three centres.
    So, how do you move Desharnais for value? Package him with the one player with whom he has consistently been able to produce – Pacioretty. I love Pacioretty’s points, but he has always been streaky and despite being one of the bigger forwards, doesn’t use his size to any advantage.
    My package starts with those two and includes one of Gorges or Emelin (Tinordi couldn’t be much of a down-grade to replace one of them at this point). Add in a draft pick and/or a pipeline prospect (Collberg, Reway, Pateryn, Bennet) What would that bring back? E. Kane and A. Ladd? Shea Weber? Eberle +?

    Don’t know if we’re any better with those options, but the point is trade quantity for quality.

    • adadi says:

      Why are we waiting so much time on a deal that didn’t happen. It is very simple. If you were the GM of the Avs would you take Bourque? I didn’t think so.

    • habsguru says:

      if Cammy ends up back in LA (my prediction), he will snipe the lights out until Alysa throws garment on the ice.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’d be very weary about trading Pacioretty. We’ve seen similar deals blow up in our faces. As much as I like Plekanec, I see Eller being the new Plekanec. I’d rather put a package together for a top 6 centre to add to Galchenyuk….but I like you’re way of thinking. It’s not all that far offfrom what I’d do.

      Go Habs Go!!

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    • Strummer says:

      “So, how do you move Desharnais for value? ”

      Why do you need value for him?
      He was a UFA and didn’t cost anything.

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    • B says:

      Cammalleri was mailing it in his last season in Montreal. If he had played 82 games for the Habs that season (which you know never would have happened) his pace would not have even put him over 20 goals or 48 points. Couple that with his $6M cap hit and it is no surprise he was traded away.

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  15. GL says:

    we need at least two more steady scores so MB did the right thing with the Bourque trade to Colorado for Parinteau and another prospect. He would be getting a player that maybe could help us a little for now. Colorado saw something in their favor letting go a supposingly good player and MB picked up on it. He’s learning from his mistakes and I believe if we give him a chance he will put a good team in Montreal. A Stanley cup team don’t happen overnight.

  16. piper says:

    If its a case of the Habs just wanting a french canadian for Bourque then get Bordeleau.

  17. frontenac1 says:

    Nilan says” Claude Lemieux used to chirp other players about their mothers” Remember this one amigos?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7tvfdSjRE4

  18. Bogie Man says:

    Gut feel tells me that this is more than just a 4 game slump. I hope I am wrong and they turn this around starting with tonight!

  19. I hate listening to Tony M, right now he’s spewing about Bourque and how bad the trade is. Am I wrong here, didn’t Bourque get us Fucale?

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    • boing007 says:

      Who’s Fucale? Some goaltender prospect who might, or might not, become a NHL goaltender. The Habs need players that are ready to help the team now.

      Richard R

      • Respectfully, I’d disagree — no amount of tinkering is going to turn the Habs into a 2014 contender, so rather than quick fixes (like dealing for Jagr), why not stockpile young talented players that’ll all hit their primes within a few years of each other?


        Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

      • formerly known as the hc says:

        So, what would you do for the ‘right now’? What possible trade could we make that would make us a contender?

      • wow I just saw what you said about Carey Price in Summer, 2005 :lol:

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      • habsguru says:

        won a mem cup at 17, would say he’s a high potential prospect, and the first overall goalie taken in the 2013 draft. by the time he is nhl ready Price will be looking at 30 years old

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I don’t think anyone can deny that the best player in the trade went to Calgary. Unfortunately, our team was going through a crap storm then which is eerily similar to today’s present Habs situation.

      Hopefully down the road the best player in the trade will turn out to be Fucale.

      • Hard to say who won the trade, honestly. Cammaleri got us Bourque, Holland, Fucale and — crucially at the time — nearly $3M in cap space. Time will tell whether Fucale tips the balance in our favour, but it he becomes a solid NHL starter, it’s hard to argue we didn’t come out on top. That’s not to say we couldn’t have gotten more, but I don’t think it was disastrous.


        Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

      • habsguru says:

        wan’t there a huge $$$ savings in dumping Cammy too?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          There was indeed. I am not saying we lost trade. Simply saying that the most talented player in the trade went the other way. It was a trade done during a panic time, Cammy was shipped out as though he was the cancer. We save money, we got a draft choice that may indeed become an excellent NHL’er, but we shipped talent off the roster.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      Also…we aren’t going to get a team willing to take Bourque’s contract just for a pick

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • adadi says:

      He’s got a great singing voice though.

    • jo_maka says:

      Bourque brought Holland and Fucale.

      Tony M brings brain cancer if listened to too often.
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  20. JF says:

    Anyone else notice that every time we play a team coming off a game the previous night, we look like the tired team? That had better not be the case tonight.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Heh heh.
      I think it’s usually that the team coming off a game the previous night (us included) has a spring in its step early on because they are still in the groove, but they tend to fade pretty quickly.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • JF says:

        Not recently. A few weeks ago, we played the Flyers, who had arrived home around 3 AM after being thumped by the Hawks. Didn’t matter. We were the flat, listless team; they had jump for 60 minutes. The same thing happened more recently; it might even have been against Detroit on Friday.

  21. JF says:

    Here’s a comment I’ve tried several times to post. The comment itself is certainly not earth-shaking, but I feel more obstinate every times it gets refused. I‘ve made a few cosmetic changes to see if that would fool the system into thinking it’s a different comment.
    *********
    The Habs embarrassed themselves Saturday night on home ice, and what happened afterwards was entirely predictable. Locker room doors closed to the media, players’ only meeting, the coach talking about character and adversity, the players mouthing platitudes about team. We’ll see tonight if any of that meant anything or if it was all a lot of hot air. It’s not so much about whether we win as about how we compete. A five-man unit on the ice, an aggressive forecheck, good zone coverage, good communication, passes on the mark. If none of that happens, if there are no signs that it’s even starting to happen, we’ll know that whatever the players said among themselves had no effect, whatever message was sent did not get through, and that there has to be a big shakeup coming.

    With the notable and increasingly anomalous exception of the game against the Blackhawks, we’ve been outplayed in just about every game since before Christmas. The Canes, coming off a come-from-behind win last night, could be tired, as conventional wisdom would have it, but I think they’re more likely to be pumped up. The Habs had better be ready and not expect to be facing a tired team.
    *********
    Someone tell me what it is about this comment that the system finds objectionable. For reasons unknown, it sometimes balks at a particular name, but I‘ve used no names.

  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    Dave Pratt is on Vancouver’s TEAM 1040 now and he’s lambasting the Vancouver Canucks for last night’s loss against the Edmonton Oilers, “the worst team in the league”. He explains that it’s unfair to the fans who paid good money to watch this game at the rink, how the team showed no effort, how Roberto Luongo’s performance, allowing 3 goals on 19 shots, was unacceptable.

    He spent some time riffing on how David Perron scored a hattie against them, and how he was picked by the Blues in the 26th slot of the first round of the 2007 draft. The Canucks, picking one spot earlier in 25th, chose the immortal Patrick White of the Tri-City Storm, who played exactly zero (0) games in the NHL. This is just an example, according to Mr. Pratt, of how poor drafting and bad personnel decisions, of being buyers at the trade deadline, have gotten the Canucks in their current mess.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2007e.html

    There are many advantages to being on the West Coast for a Habs fan, and one of them is being exposed to different markets like Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary, and seeing that the Canadiens aren’t that badly off, all things considered.

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  23. Habsrule1 says:

    I hope most of the vets go at the trade deadline and the kids stay or come up to replace them. We get some prospects and draft picks for the likes of Gionta, Moen, Bourque, Briere, etc. I would keep Markov given that we have so many young d-men coming up soon….unless the return for Markov was massive.

    This could be a tank, but I actually believe with the right players gone and other players in the right spots, we may still make the playoffs and be as good or better than before. If not, at least the kids get some experience.

    Go Habs Go!!

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    • shiram says:

      Selling the vets, missing the playoffs stacking picks/prospect does not sound too bad when you look at the team and their struggles for the last I don’t know 20 games…
      But you have to wonder if Molson would prefer to get some playoff revenue now.
      You have to wonder how it will effect the players see the GM give up on the season.
      I don’t have an answer, but it’s a complex issue.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        But I still think there’s a chance that by getting rid of the right players, we may do better than before. For example, Eller & Galchenyuk might get time in their natural positions and better defensemen might emerge from Hamilton.

        I’m not sure, but I’d try it, not to tank, but to see the potential of this team with the right players in place.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • shiram says:

          There’s definitely floaters and players that don’t fit in because of their frame or skill-set.
          I’m not so sure how easy it would be to get rid of them either.
          But I would not mind seeing it.
          I’m not so sure Therrien is the right guy for young players though, he’s been all over the place.
          Leblanc and Nattinen barely get a look, Gally sticks and gets top 6 time, but Bournival is stuck in a 4th line role.

          I guess forcing his hand to use those players would not be too bad, but I fear we’d see the return of Moen/Prust in the top 6.

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Unfortunately, all we can do is wait and see what the GM does, and see how the players react to the current Sh*t Storm.

    Either the players step up and play for the present coach or the malaise continues. Could end up the players will make MB’s decision for him….

    • I’ll be shocked if the beat the Canes….that’s not good :)

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    • JF says:

      Normand Flynn said in the interview that was linked yesterday, that if the Habs don’t turn it around quickly, Therrien will be gone within two weeks. For the moment, Bergevin is trying to avoid firing the coach he himself hand-picked less than two years ago, but he might have no choice. The problem is that there seems to be a dearth of candidates to replace Therrien. When I try to think of an experienced coach who speaks some French and is available, the only name I come up with is Marc Crawford.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If indeed MB does decide to rid the team of MT, I really believe the end of the season will be an interim situation with the present Asst. Coaches manning the bench. Gallant has experience running an NHL bench, I don’t think the optics of Gallant stepping up to finish the season will or would be the same as when Cunneyworth was served up for slaughter.

        • JF says:

          You’re probably right about an interim coach. I’d certainly rather that than Crawford. But that will still leave the problem of finding a new coach over the summer, with the very real possibility of our having another rookie coach in October. Benoit Groulx, Andre Tourigny, even Sylvain Lefebvre.

      • adadi says:

        Guys Therrien will not be back next season. The only thing remaining is to decide the timing. Let’s hope MB gets it right.

  25. JF says:

    Here’s a comment I’ve tried several times to post. The comment itself is certainly not earth-shaking, but I feel more obstinate every times it gets refused. I‘ve made a few cosmetic changes to see if that would fool the system into thinking it’s a different comment.

    **********

    The Habs embarrassed themselves Saturday night on home ice, and what happened afterwards was entirely predictable. Locker room doors closed to the media, players’ only meeting, Therrien talking about character and adversity, the players mouthing platitudes about team. We’ll see tonight if any of that meant anything or if it was all a lot of hot air. It’s not so much about whether we win as about how we compete. A five-man unit on the ice, an aggressive forecheck, good zone coverage, good communication, passes on the mark. If none of that happens, if there are no signs that it’s even starting to happen, we’ll know that whatever the players said among themselves had no effect, that Therrien’s message did not get through, and that there has to be a big shakeup coming.

    With the notable and increasingly anomalous exception of the game against the Blackhawks, we’ve been outplayed in just about every game since before Christmas. The Canes, coming off a come-from-behind win last night, could be tired, as conventional wisdom would have it, but I think they’re more likely to be pumped up. The Habs had better be ready and not expect to be facing a tired team.

    **********

    Someone tell me what it is about this comment that the system finds objectionable. For reasons unknown, it sometimes balks at a particular name, but the only name I used here was Therrien’s, which appears thousands of times on this site every day.

  26. It can’t get any worse :lol:

    #BellLetsTalk

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  27. GL says:

    I agree wit PKs interview. When he compliments the coaching staff the way he has been treated. It has to be true. I blame management in Montreal for the team we have in place right now. as most of us has said somewhere along the way. This team is too small and too fragile for todays NHL what do they do. They go out and sign Briere and Desharnais come on no matter how good this management team is suppose to be. Right there were two dumb moves. mind you they are not our only problems. This team has lots of speed and skill and at times beautiful to watch but that’s it so until MB and his staff bring in skill and toughness this team is going nowhere. Talk all you want about how good the players are we have coming through the system. If they’re not skilled and tough. May as well leave them where they are they will be no good for todays NHL!!

  28. JF says:

    Here’s a comment I’ve tried several times to post. The comment itself is certainly not earth-shaking, but I feel more obstinate every times it gets refused. I‘ve made a few cosmetic changes to see if that would fool the system into thinking it’s a different comment.

    The Habs embarrassed themselves Saturday night on home ice, and what happened afterwards was entirely predictable. Locker room doors closed to the media, players’ only meeting, Therrien talking about character and adversity, the players mouthing platitudes about team. We’ll see tonight if any of that meant anything or if it was all a lot of hot air. It’s not so much about whether we win as about how we compete. A five-man unit on the ice, an aggressive forecheck, good zone coverage, good communication, passes on the mark. If none of that happens, if there are no signs that it’s even starting to happen, we’ll know that whatever the players said among themselves had no effect, that Therrien’s message did not get through, and that there has to be a big shakeup coming.

    With the notable and increasingly anomalous exception of the game against the Blackhawks, we’ve been outplayed in just about every game since before Christmas. The Canes, coming off a come-from-behind win last night, could be tired, as conventional wisdom would have it, but I think they’re more likely to be pumped up. The Habs had better be ready and not expect to be facing a tired team.

  29. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Jack Todd writes like an alien zombie so I guess he oughta know.

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  30. SteverenO says:

    I am tired of hearing all the nonsense about how bad the roster is and how changing coaches will not make any difference, and that we need to trade everyone and start over,etc.

    We have yet to see what this years edition of the HABs is capable of doing and I believe that most would be surprised to learn just how good this team can be.

    The line of Briere/Plekanec/Gionta has produced 8 goals in 101 minutes at even strength, an average of one goal every 12 minutes and have only been on for one goal against during that span.

    A second line of Galchenyuk/Eller /Gallagher has already proven to be effective earlier on the season.

    A third line of Paciorretty /Desharnias/ Bourque have played together for only 29 minutes this season and have scored one goal but allowed none.

    Left over for 4th line duty is Bournival/Leblanc/ Prust/Moen/White and Parros.
    Personally I would choose Bournival at center with Prust and Leblanc on the wings, however any combination of the above players as long as Parros is not one of them would be adequate for the 4th line.

    There is enough talent on this 4th line to “push” the likes of Bourque and Briere, and to step in from time to time,or even permanently should they be unproductive.

    On defense:

    We have never been the same since the pairing of Gorges and Diaz were split apart. They worked in the shadow of Markov/Subban but were playing very effectively especially on the defensive side, allowing only 7 goals in 280 minutes, (average of 40 mins per GA) while being on for 10 goals. Not coincidentally, they are also the best penalty killing duo on the team.

    The only part of the defense that needed to be improved were the 5th and 6th spots that were covered by Bullion /Murray.
    When Emelin returned from injury there was such a rush to get him into a top 4 position that the whole defense was blown apart. Initially Emelin did okay, in fact he was excellent until he got burned out by playing too much , too soon, upon returning from injury.

    The only thing the coach had to do is find the best combination of Emelin, Beaulieu,Tinordi, Patteryn, and Murray for the third pairing.

    If Markov’s minutes were managed properly (He MUST be taken of the Penalty Kill) and also be rested for back-to back games, I believe he could Remain effective throughout the season. Having a strong Markov playing consistently well for 18 to 22 minutes 70 games/ year is better than what we are getting now; a player who is obviously doing his best with an empty gas tank and only three cylinders firing.

    I did not forget Bouillon.. Bouillon’s role should be ONLY to replace Markov (alongside Subban) every 7th or 8th game (especially when playing two nights in a row) . Every now and then Beaulieu could be given that assignment (replacing Markov on his off days)Occasionally, if the remaining defensemen vying for the 5th and 6th and spots do not prove to be effective Bouillon could also step into one of those spots.

    The above line up would give the team the best chance to win every night.

    Should the team need to get more offence they can split Markov and
    Subban, Bringing Emelin/Beaulieu/Bouillon/Patteryn/Tinordi into the mix while leaving Gorges/Diaz together as the third pairing.

    With the “optimized” line up the HAbs should be looking to gain ground on Tampa and Boston and trying to win their division, rather than worrying about staying ahead of the likes of Toronto, Detroit ,Ottawa, Philladelphia, Columbus , etc,to hold onto a wild card spot.

    If Therrien were to deploy the lines as indicated above,(ad utilize his most productive players on the special teams rather than his favorites) the season could be salvaged.

    Personally, I believe that he (Therrien) should be replaced as soon as possible, EVEN IF he used the “optimal” lines as indicated above because I don’t think his “system” is the right one for this team, however even despite his system if he would only use the players in a logical line up the team would most assuredly see an immediate improvement in their performance.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      My name is Habsrule1 and I DO NOT approve this message.

      Read Un Canadien errant’s post. I can’t say it much better than that.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • SteverenO says:

        @ Habs rule1…

        I assume that you are referring to the portion of UCE’s post where he stated ;
        *************************************************
        Actually, Michel Therrien has the fifth-highest winning percentage of any coach since he took over last season, if I remember the graphic shown on RDS during Saturday’s game correctly, preceded only by coaches like Dan Bylsma and Joel Quenneville, coaches who have a few “thoroughbreds” on their teams. Posters can disagree with specific moves or admit they were never in favour of his hire in the first place, but to dismiss him outright when he has had numerous successes is inappropriate.

        ************************************************

        I believe that it is important to separate the teams W-L record fromany evaluation of a coaches performance, here’s why;

        If the coach does everything right and his goalie let sin 5 bad goals his team loses, does that mean that he is a “bad” coach?

        If the coach makes terrible decisions and the opposing goalie has an awful game allowing his out played team to win, does that make him a “good” coach.

        To evaluate a coaches performance you have to see how his team is showing up each game. Are they prepared to play on a nightly basis, is he taking any steps to improve the “worst” performance on the team, are the line up decisions supportable by the facts?, etc.

        Leaving Diaz(one GA every 31 minutes of ES TOI) in the pressbox in favor of Bouillon (23 mpga), Murray (21 mpga), and/or Emelin (20 mpga), is not a decision that can be supported by any facts.

        Playing Galchenyuk, or Eller on the left wing with Plek and Gionta instead of Briere is ridiculous and also a decision that cannot not be supported by any data.

        The line has had TREMENDOUS success with Briere and been TERRIBLE with Galchenyuk and Eller, each of whom had enjoyed success playing with other linemates.

        While I don’t agree that this current roster is awful and that the coacch is getting the “best” out of a bad bunch, I am pretty confident in saying that this team is NOT good enough to win consistently UNLESS they get maximum productivity from all their assets, something that can never happen when the coach is juggling players constantly without the ability to recognize which combos are effective and which are not.

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • JUST ME says:

      If we do listen to the fan`s rage and comments then we will have to go back to square one in a year ot two.
      Some things take time and some things can`t be seen on the ice in a rebuilding program.
      I can predict the future. I can predict that such a slump will happen next year as it always does every season everywhere.

      So as much as the management needs time, the fans should take some time and see things from a different angle that the 4 games losing streak point of view.

    • shiram says:

      I also think it’s fair to think this team could do better than it is now, as simply they were doing a lot better just a few months before. Players have not changed since, a callup here an injury there, but the team mostly remains the same.
      It does also seem like lines that were working were broken to try to get other players going, which seems to overall be a detriment to the team.

    • adadi says:

      Stevereno. You are a genius. Those are the best lineups I’ve seen posted all year. Hopefully it’s part of MT’s secret plan going forward.

    • Habs1962 says:

      Yup, Good Post.
      Can you get yourself behind the bench by 7:30 !
      Eller and the kids play well together and Eller should for sure be at centre.
      Briere seems to click with Giont and Pleks… small line, but..
      The Markov thoughts good.
      Diaz , Gorges… yup

      • SteverenO says:

        Genius? Thanks, but unfortunately not the case.

        Simply applying logic, keeping together lines that are working and applying “fixes” only where improvement is needed.

        The only sure thing, in my opinion, is that evaluating player performance and putting together effective line combinations is something that Therrien is struggling with. If the team would simply engage someone who can do basic “run of the mill” data analytics using the available information the team would be MUCH better.

        I am not even talking about advanced stats, just the basic stats will do for starters.

        here,s an example: before Galchenyuk got hurt He was playing left wing with Plek,and Gionta. As of Jan 8th they had played together for 88 minutes scoring 2 goals and allowing 5 .

        at that time Briere had played on a line with Plek and Gionta for 86
        minutes (almost the identical TOI) The difference is that this combo had been of for 8 goals scored and one goal against,

        You do not have to be a genius , or even bother to look at advanced statistics,puck possession, Corsi, Fenwick, Shooting percentages or anything else for gods sake.

        With each having 80 plus shifts, one trio scored 8 goals and the other 2. The trio that scored more allowed one while the other allowed 5.

        This is NOT rocket science folks. If the coach can not recognize who is doing well and who isn’t how can he be entrusted with making the lines?

        There are only two options in my opinion. Either change the coach, or remove from him the responsibility of making ice time management decisions, and line combo assignments.

        Allowing someone who has clearly shown that he is incapable of making good decisions to keep making those important decisions is simply NOT an acceptable option.

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • Lafrich says:

      FANTASTIC post. Thoughtful yet objective analysis. Just great.

  31. JF says:

    Here’s a comment I’ve tried several times to post. The comment itself is certainly not earth-shaking, but I become more stubborn every time it gets refused. I’ve made a few cosmetic changes.

    The Habs embarrassed themselves Saturday night on home ice, and what happened afterwards was entirely predictable. Locker room doors closed to the media, players’ only meeting, Therrien talking about character and adversity, the players mouthing platitudes about team. We’ll see tonight if any of that meant anything or if it was all a lot of hot air. It’s not so much about whether we win as about how we compete. A five-man unit on the ice, an aggressive forecheck, good zone coverage, good communication, passes on the mark. If none of that happens, if there are no signs that it’s even starting to happen, we’ll know that whatever the players said among themselves had no effect, that Therrien’s message did not get through, and that there has to be a big shakeup coming.

    With the notable and increasingly anomalous exception of the game against the Blackhawks, we’ve been outplayed in just about every game since before Christmas. The Canes, coming off a come-from-behind win last night, could be tired as conventional wisdom would have it, but I think they’re more likely to be pumped up. The Habs had better be ready and not expect to be facing a tired team.

  32. Un Canadien errant says:

    On the Brian Wilde article:

    http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/habs-fever-every-decision-matters-1.1658302#ixzz2rewUdDe0

    He makes the following statement about Daniel Brière:

    This little pip-squeak who everyone said wouldn’t even make the NHL, never mind excel in it…

    This is not just hyperbole, but clearly erroneous. Daniel Brière was actually picked in the first round by the Winnipeg Jets-Phoenix Coyotes, 24th overall. By necessity, obviously not everyone was saying he wouldn’t reach the NHL. The Jets at least held him in some regard to spend their first round pick on him.

    The Buffalo Sabres must also have seen something in him, when they sent burly huge ‘flavour of a couple seasons’ Chris Gratton to Phoenix to obtain Mr. Brière.

    Mr. Wilde, to make his point, is inexact, careless in his choice of words, and detracts from the quality of this article. To set up the premise of how he used to root for the small local kid who overcame great odds and challenges to become a frontline NHL star, he oversells the difficulties and obstacles, and understates what a quality prospect Daniel Brière was as a junior.

    We see this a lot on HIO, with sweeping general statements that are open to debate or have many exceptions, or absolutes that clearlly don’t hold water.

    Statements like “Michel Therrien is useless, clueless, worthless,…”

    Actually, Michel Therrien has the fifth-highest winning percentage of any coach since he took over last season, if I remember the graphic shown on RDS during Saturday’s game correctly, preceded only by coaches like Dan Bylsma and Joel Quenneville, coaches who have a few “thoroughbreds” on their teams. Posters can disagree with specific moves or admit they were never in favour of his hire in the first place, but to dismiss him outright when he has had numerous successes is inappropriate.

    It’s okay to rant, it’s entertaining to riff, but we need to be selective in our word selection and how we express ourselves.

    ———————————————————————–
    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Nice post. I think people let their passion get in the way of their thinking ability at times.

      I will continue to say that no coach would have gotten much more (if anything) out of this group. The pressure should be much more on Bergevin to provide Therrien and his staff with better players. I believe if Therrien had even slightly better players, we would be challenging the pens for 1st in the conference. Yes, Therrien has made questionable decisions, but he’s not alone in the NHL. Follow other coaches and you will see moves that you are baffled by.
      And just a quick side note…Yanick Weber was playing forward last night. Oh, the horror!

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Mattyleg says:

      Love it.
      More please.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • adadi says:

        Good morning Matty. How are you today?

        • Mattyleg says:

          Morning adadi!
          I’m doing great, thanks.
          And you?
          Have you cheered up a bit?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • adadi says:

            Dude I’m always in a good mood. You need to understand that this is a game. That’s it. In the big picture, blogging here is about as important as tits on a bull.

            However it does not excuse 20 years of mediocrity. You, my friend, should stop drinking the Kool-aid. As long as Molson, or any owner has apologists like you smoothing over this teams disgraceful record, nothing will change.

            Have a great day.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Adadi, you might be confusing things.

            I am not happy about the way we’ve played for the last little while, but I also agree with you that writing on here acheives nothing in the real world, it’s just discussion.

            Therefore, complaining non-stop on here does not acheive anything, nor does blindly supporting everything that the players and management do.

            I think we can be better, much like I suspect you do. That’s all, and I don’t agree that simply changing the coach at this stage will make our team better. There’s no quick fix. We have to be patient. That’s all.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • adadi says:

            No longer interested in being patient. I’d like my 10 year old son to experience a cup parade in his lifetime. My guess is that he will never see it.

            Are you one of those guys that always needs to get in the last word?

          • adadi says:

            Luke are you Jesus!

          • Mattyleg says:

            I can understand that you want the team to win, but there’s nothing that we can do, as fans, to make the team win.

            What do you mean, the last word?
            This is just a discussion. Like friendly talking.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • adadi says:

      Does MT have a clue. Holy cow! Stop the presses. Biggest story in Habland this year.

      THERRIEN HAS A CLUE! HABS WILL BE SAVED AFTERALL.

    • New says:

      Someone who feels the coach and team should get credit for doing more with less? Sacrilege!

      Someone used the word “trending” the other day. It is a good choice of words. For years the Habs team has been trending downwards. That can not be turned around on a dime.

      I am amazed at what these players do. TV show? Check. Public appearances? Check. Open practices and skates? Check. Olympic camps, pre-pre-test, pre-test, competition test, flights, fights, frights when TVA and RDS argue over who turned down who…you name it. These guys are a 24 hour a day commodity for the owner’s amusement and the fans curiosity. A few times a week they get to play hockey as well.

  33. Mattyleg says:

    Anybody catch the interview with PK, saying that they have a great coaching staff?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  34. Stimpy007 says:

    I love reading how everyone is exnaying the supposed trade for PA but 90% of the ppl on here in the last few days were ready to trade Bourque for a bag of pucks!! lol

    PA is better than Bourque. But bc of our lack of size we cant do the deal. The difference in contract is peanuts. If the circumstances were different this would be a good deal. Too bad, we rarely win the trades. It wouldnt be a home run but lets say a double at least.

    • shiram says:

      That’s tough to say considering PAP is coming back from injury and has not played since.

      • Stimpy007 says:

        He has played 3 games since and has an assist! He had one in the last game but they took in away?? lol

        • shiram says:

          Well indeed you are right, I was misled, should have checked for myself.
          Still not a great sample rate, and he might have issues being productive on our team.

          • Stimpy007 says:

            Ya maybe but…. he was a great player last year. Different coach and had to prove himself again??? He was a top 6 before he got hurt tho. I know that. Also tanguay came back too so P Roy had to make a decision and I dont think PAP was happy on the 4th line? Cant blame him.

      • Haberoooo13 says:

        Agree but too many people are just dismissing it because PAP is a Quebecois and that is why in their minds they think that Habs would do this trade.

        Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

        • Stimpy007 says:

          Well then that is unfortunate. Make a hockey decision not a language decision.

          I think PAP is a victim of too many young horses in the stable in COL, there are stacked at F with talent and he lost his position when he got injured. Also they won without him. So he is probly a wee bit pissy about that. Who knows right??

          • Haberoooo13 says:

            yep…Ideally I would deal Bourque and others for picks and prospects but that ain’t as easy as some want to believe…so then it comes down to are Habs better off with Bourque or PAP. I would say that they are better off with PAP.

            Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  35. arcosenate says:

    This has probably been posted but;

    TVA Sports reported Monday night that Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin turned down a trade offer from Colorado that would have seen winger Rene Bourque go the Avalanche and P.A. Parenteau head to the Habs.

    The network’s website adds that negotiations between both teams are ongoing.

    However, RDS hockey reporter and TSN contributor Francois Gagnon reports it was the other way round – that the Avalanche rejected the offer from the Canadiens.

    Parenteau, 30, and Bourque, 32, are under contract through the 2015-16 season, with Parenteau carrying a $4 million cap hit and Bourque with a $3.3 million cap hit.

  36. Eddie says:

    If you were Marc Bergevin you would be feeling quite a bit of pressure this weekend – it’s a pressure to act, to do something, and firing your coach would not be your first choice. A coaching change is very dramatic and out of character for this GM, who seems to relish in his reputation as a slow, calculated, deep thinker.

    So what’s the next best option? A trade, of course. And a trade is what we will get. It will involve Bourque, Diaz or both. It will happen very soon, I’m guessing before the game against the Bruins.

    Oh, and if Bergevin can find another Quebec born player, a local, so much the better for him, because the local fans and media will love that acquisition as much as they loved acquiring Briere. It was on RDS that the “great” Mario (Tremblay, not Lemieux) predicted before the season that Briere would lead the team in points! Of course everyone on that RDS panel agreed with him, and smiled.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I remember having to don my sunglasses as the studio lights shone off all their dentures.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Idiots!

      I’m speechless! 20 years and counting…

    • Mozeby says:

      This philosophy of the Canadiens (or pressure) that they will always choose a home boy over someone else has really screwed them a number of times. The fact that they signed a washed up and beaten Briere over Michael Ryder (who had an excellent year) shows how screwed up things are. Remember when everyone was pushing for Gainey to grab Lecavalier? Thank God we dodged that bullet.

      I don’t think Therrien deserves the boot. This team played pretty damn good last year and for 90% of this year. The problem is you have a group of passengers who don’t show up anymore. I would start trading some of them and maybe it’ll wake the team up. Or start benching some of these losers and call up some Bulldogs.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good Morning Ed, I would like to think MB has reviewed the moves he has made since becoming GM, specifically contracts signed/given out.

      I can’t dismiss the notion that indeed there appears to be a willingness of the present ownership/mgmt to try and find ways to adapt Franco born players into the teams lineup. Having said that, in reviewing his past moves, it would also appear that pushing such an agenda has not benefited the team.

      Lets see what his next moves actually are before completely judging I would suggest.

  37. jols101 says:

    30,30,25,25,24,23,20

    These are not the winning lotto max numbers for Friday night. These are the point totals for our top 7 forwards after 52 games. As much as I hate Therrien, a coaching change or a forced trade isn’t going to mask this lack of talent.

    Let’s just ride it out and get a good draft pick. Last years truncated season really screwed us because we were in free fall mode but the season ended. We could have Nichushkin in the fold. Future would look much brighter.

  38. JF says:

    Anyone else having trouble posting? I’ve tried three or four times to post a perfectly innocuous comment. Each time I get something telling me HIO comments section cannot be found and to check the spelling.

  39. Haberoooo13 says:

    I like Kate Upton

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  40. Marcusman says:

    This may be the craziest idea I’ve ever posted here….but with such a lack of goal scoring and bigger forwards who can score…would it be that crazy to offer Guillaume Latendresse a try out at the league minimum…….maybe this guy at 26 has something to prove to himself…he’s 6’2″ 240 lbs….has decent hands and hockey has kicked him in the teeth…..

    He can’t scoreless than nums #49 #48 #17 #32 #15 #8

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He has some major injury issues and concussions that really changed the way he plays. I don’t think he was lighting it up over seas either

      I think his NHL days are over

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Mozeby says:

      Didn’t play good when he was healthy, and with his issues now, that would be one hell of a longshot. This team doesn’t need a gambler of a GM, but one that makes smart decisions. That’s like trading a good player for draft picks. You know what you got already, but the pick might never play a game for you.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Mr. Latendresse has been very open on RDS about how the last few seasons he has been dogged by concussion symptoms, how they’ve been persistent and recurring, and how they prevented him from training hard or playing with confidence. I don’t think he just needs to be given a chance to perform again, he is probably medically unfit to play at this point.

      • Marcusman says:

        ah….didn;t realize he had such bad head sysptoms

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          He’s really well-spoken on RDS, and took a while during his first appearance on l’Antichambre to answer questions about his health situation. He talked about the incident during last season’s playoffs, when he was squared off with Ryan White during a post-whistle scrum, and how he turned down Ryan’s repeated invitations to fight. He says that basically ended his career, no GM’s will want him now even if he was healthy, no matter what the reasons he had to turn down a fight.

  41. adamkennelly says:

    Eller has 20 points and is -11 – guess what people – he’s not that good.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You seem pleased.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      Guess what…who is right now

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So trade him for some other middling player, then in 1 or 2 years come back on here and say, I can’t believe that idiot MB traded Eller, look how good he is playing!

      So yah, lets dump him!!! Now, before anyone else in league gets a hold of his stats.

      • adamkennelly says:

        I would trade him – because you may actually get something decent in return if you include a former first rounder with some pretty decent upside. Also – I would not be surprised to see him flourish in the right environment – but tooling around on the wing under MT on a crap Habs team is not where its going to happen.

    • Strummer says:

      No but he’s only 24 and has shown some potential (EGG line)
      He has size and is on a cap friendly contract that’s approaching RFA this summer.
      Not time to bail on him yet.

      Edit – forgot to add he’s a symptom of the problems with this team, as opposed to being one of the problems.
      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion- I could be wrong”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Exactly Strummer, for the team to start trading away part of our more youthful cap friendly core in order to save the season, would be in my opinion a recipe for disaster.

  42. Luke says:

    <—– Hey! Whats that?

  43. joeybarrie says:

    Interesting how now its Colorado that said no to Bergevin.
    Or wait is it the other way around.
    Either way, Fire em all. Cause we absolutely know exactly how the negotiation is going.

    I would like to see PA instead of Bourque at this point.
    But they prob want our draft pick or a prospect to boot. Which is fair i guess. But maybe not worthwhile for us in the long run.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Bourque has been bad the last couple of seasons but PA is not exactly an upgrade and comes with a larger cap hit. PA has more assists and is a play maker. We need shooters.

      This would be a lateral move in my opinion and would actually make the habs softer

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        How is PAP not an upgrade? Scores at about 4 times the rate of Bourque.

        Of course he’s an upgrade.

        Almost everyone is an upgrade.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Perhaps players on other teams are upgrades because indeed they are playing on other teams.

          The whole team is playing like a steaming pile of dog poop. I would venture to guess that many players presently on St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Colorado, Chicago would have worse stats on Montreal than they presently have on those teams.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          PA has 9 goals on a great Colorado team and Bourque has 7 goals on a bad Montreal team where he missed games as well. I don’t see PA who also plays a perimeter game as an upgrade. We need players who will go to the dirty areas.

          You put PA on this team and you won’t see much of a change. We need shooters. If Bourque plays like he did in the playoffs last year or in glimpses of the season we are better off.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • jo_maka says:

      They asked for Andrighetto so MB said no.
      _________________________________
      Open-mindedness is not a skull fracture

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    It is only fitting that the Super Bowl pitting the first two states to legalize Marijauna should foster the idea of players being allowed to use medicinal marijuana.

    Given how many people I know who have “Convinced” their doctors that they require this license, I suspect the NFL would definitely have a high number of licenses issued.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/story/_/id/10360723/pete-carroll-seattle-seahawks-coach-says-nfl-consider-medicinal-marijuana-treat-injured-players

  45. shiram says:

    Gio’s got the same stats as DD btw, which I know is not a great to redeem him, tied third for assists on the team, and on most night pulls his weight.

    His shooting % is bad this season, maybe cause of the surgery on both shoulders, but he’s still contributing in the ways he can.

  46. jols101 says:

    Go Habs Go !!!

  47. JUST ME says:

    99.999 % of those rumors never come true but come from usually reliable sources. Then if they aren`t why don`t they reveal their sources ? Gagnon,Lavoie ,Gelinas probably read some crap à la EOTP on invented the whole thing to stir up ratings..sigh…And to think that this is only a start!

  48. mrhabby says:

    Last time I heard and looked The Avs approached Bergevin about Parinteau no the other way around…so much wrong info out there.

  49. jols101 says:

    Habs are a well oiled machine, poised for a deep playoff run. Don’t change a thing.

  50. shiram says:

    What’s up with Ryan White?
    He was supposed to be gone 2 weeks, and it’s been more than 3, and AFAIK, there’s not been a peep about him.
    And I think he makes for a better 4th line C than Brière/Bournival/Prust.

  51. Mattyleg says:

    Morning everyone!

    Looking forward to tonight’s game. Wasn’t looking forward to Friday or Saturday’s, and with good reason, so I’m hoping for good things tonight. At least a close one!

    Also, I read some posts below about people wanting Gorges off the team because they don’t like his locker-room speeches on 24CH. Maybe rather than wanting him off the team for that, they should stop watching the show…? That has to be The Worst reason I’ve ever heard for wanting to unload a player.

    I was thinking about a trade involving him this morning, but our problems are with the D-corps, and we won’t trade him for someone better, so what is the point? If a team is looking for defence, they are not going to trade a better defenceman to get one, even if we throw in LL or someone like that.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      D and forwards are at issue.
      If you wanna pick one as worse, be my guest, but both could use much improving.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Agree completely.

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        Folks, it’s Bushmills time, and that’ll keep ya warm!
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      • frontenac1 says:

        Two freakin Goals in the last 3 Games! Jeeze, here comes that Dark Place again. If the old floodgates don’t open soon, I will be battling The Beasts again tonight.

    • Habfan17 says:

      If the Habs could trade him for an equal talent who is a right hand shot it would still help! Gorges for Schenn perhaps. The flyers may want more but at least then the Habs would not have to play players out of their natural positions on defence!

      Then if the Kings would trade Clifford and their first, or second round for Markov

      Emeilin, Subban
      Beaulieu, Schenn
      Murray ( until Drewiskie is ready ), Pateryn,
      Murray.Boullion as spares!
      Emelin, Subban
      Markov, Schenn

      Habfan17

    • monmick says:

      I think the point is that some people feel we have better Ds in the system and we need to move someone to make room for them…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      I don’t watch the show, but I think the team is better off without him and his cap hit. From what I have seen of him on the tele, he coughs the puck up way too much in his own end (tends to hold on to the puck too much and tries to dangle), sends useless passes down the wall in the O-zone, has no physical game, and has the accuracy of a spray can.

      Yes he blocks shots, but that is because he has to. The opposition is entering the zone way too easy so the only thing he can do is block the shot. Too much money for a shot blocker.

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      • Mattyleg says:

        That’s a good analysis, although I don’t agree with all of it, but what can we get for him? A forward?

        I dunno.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • RiverviewCanadien says:

          We have too many forwards as is now (maybe package a couple off), so to move Gorges for a forward does not make sense. Maybe a prospect out of EDM or a team like that, which can use a mediocre stay at home defenseman. Heck, picks are always valuable.

          I have no idea how to fix this wagon, but it certainly cannot be any worse than getting rid of Gorges and his cap hit which could provide space for something better…

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  52. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So I usually look forward to the Habs vs Bruins games, but this Thursday may be a good game to stay away from and not watch a lick of action.

    The Bruins can score and they get contributions from all over the place (hate to admit it, but they are a really good team), the Habs get bupkis from all over the place.

    Boston has scored 12 goals in their last 2 games, 15 goals in their last 3 games, 17 goals in their last 4 games…Habs have scored 1 goal in their last 2 games, 2 goals in their last 3 games, 5 goals in their last 4 games.

    Will Price be chased again, or does MT send out Budaj the Bs killer?

    Not looking forward to the ALN already…sigh…

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  53. frontenac1 says:

    Hola amigos! Questions for tonight’s game.Does Gio get benched for his two selfish penalties last game.Do the Habs get 2 goals to double their output for the past 3 games. Does Kirk get a standing O. Does Mike get showered with Molson beer cups. Does Nuna make an appearance on HIO.
    And lastly, How hammered will I be by the 2nd period.

    • Ron says:

      No
      Yes
      No
      No
      No
      Stiff

    • Mattyleg says:

      I think that Gio gets a pass because the game was waaaay out of reach, unlike PK’s transgression (not saying that I agree with either situation, just saying)

      No idea about the other questions, but the final answer is: Very.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • scotland says:

      yea good call buddy. gionta for his two selfish penalties (not to mention gutless hits from behind) does he get benched for that?? or is that just subban and white that get benched for that stuff. no you can bet gionta will start the game on the first line, (poorly) play every powerplay, (poorly) attempt to kill every penalty (poorly) play in four on four situations (poorly) will play the last minute of every period (poorly) and if the habs get to ot by some miracle gio will bo on the ice and play…you guessed it….poorly.

      thats leadership

      kinds puts you in mind of joe sakik, or stevie y. combination of mark messier and kirk muller.

      lol with mt for coach….gio for captain….and gorges for assistant…….its no wonder this team lacks good leadership.

      heard many old timers say that the game last saturday was the worst sight they have ever seen by the great CH

    • monmick says:

      How about Prust’s selfish penalties?

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

      • frontenac1 says:

        Prust got hooked by Ward near the Caps net and refs wanted to give Prust a penalty. In signalized advantage,Clarkson scores. Prust is pissed,says something to the Ref and gets tossed. Stupid?Sure. Gio does Two cheap hits from behind? WTF? Pk would get benched for at least a game for that.

  54. jo_maka says:

    Of all the line juggling MT make, the most interesting one in my opinion is the one he doesn’t have the stones to make:

    Split DD and Patch.

    There, I said it. Heresy.

    If we really wanna know what Patch is made of, we need to see him with someone else to assess if he’s able to work with the ”team” and not sulk if not paired with his buddy. Because it doesn’t matter succeeding in trading DD (if only) if we keep an underachieving spoiled brat afterwards. Better have it in a package if that’s the case. But the only way to know is to split them.

    For more than 3 shifts. More than one game actually.

    MT had no problem splitting the Kid Line when DD was in a funk.
    Why should he have a problem splitting DD and Patch if the whole team is in a funk ?
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    • Mattyleg says:

      I think that would be cool too, but Max is so keen on playing with DD, and he’s a little wishy-washy emotionally at the best of times, so he might sulk.

      Basically, is it worth it…?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Phil C says:

        Wilde was commenting on this tweet, which was not speculation.

        Retweeted by BrianWilde
        Luc Gelinas ‏@LucGelinasRDS 48m
        Selon ce qu’on me dit, dans les discussions avec le #CH l’Avalanche aurait voulu inclure jeune attaquant Sven Andrighetto #RDS

        translated; According to what I hear in discussions with CH # Avalanche wanted to include young forward Sven Andrighetto

        • Mattyleg says:

          That’s what I mean, though, who is Luc Gelinas?
          And how does he hear what he says he hears?

          I believe NONE of those sorts of things, because they are just media blowing smoke to generate clicks. The trades they propose never happen, and they are as shocked as everyone else when trades actually take place.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • scotland says:

      hear what you are saying…….but atleast he has split them at one time.albeit earlier in the season.

      no the one he does not have the stones to make is gionta and pleks. last season and this season. never have been split for on shift. both get first line duty, pp, pk, 4 on 4, last minute of the period, last minute of the game.

      matter of fact they are the only two who have not been split up under mt. gionta has never played with another center since mt arrived. revolving door on the opposite wing from gio….but those two are carved in stone. feel sorry for pleks on that one

      • jo_maka says:

        Yeah, I think MT is desperate to make Gio look good. They talk about chemistry but they didn’t play together as much back in The Count’s era.
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  55. Sportfan says:

    This was posted on Brian Wildes twitter”If Habs passed on trade because they didn’t want to also give prospect Andrighetto to Avs, then good for MB. You can’t win giving up youth.”

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    • Mattyleg says:

      This was on Twitter too: “Apparently the Avs wanted Carey Price and one night with Brandon Prust’s wife, and MB said no. He is the new champion of righteousness.”

      Speculation is fun. No wonder there are so many nobodies and has-beens (Pierre LeBrun, Aaron Ward, I’m talking to you) clambering to be ‘insiders’!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Strummer says:

      I agree. MB needs to play the long game.
      Trying to stay afloat by continaul patchwork gets the team nowhere.

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  56. Phil C says:

    I don’t mind a team having some local players if it makes hockey sense. It’s good for business as long as it’s not hurting the product on the ice. But the fact that the Habs were going after Parenteau makes me worry that the Francophone player agenda may stronger than it should be if this team wants to win.

    Someone please tell me that getting this guy also makes sense as a hockey move? I haven’t seen enough of him to form my own opinion.

    • Sportfan says:

      Briere has been awful for business.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      There’s nothing, apart from some so-called ‘insiders’ yapping, to indicate that MB was going after Parenteau.

      This is another situation where if the media speculates about it enough, it becomes truth.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Phil C says:

        It was certainly not speculation by insiders, we know that for sure. I believe it was first reported as news by Louis Jean. You may not find him credible, but he was not speculating. Combine that with the player being a healthy scratch last night, it all adds up to me.

        • Strummer says:

          I respect Louis Jean as a reporter/insider and would give serious consideration to his reports.

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          • Eddie says:

            And most people would agree with you. Louis Jean has earned that reputation.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Based on what?
            I’m not being a jerk, but I really wonder what people’s respect for these guys is based on, because I respect none of them. Nothing they ever say comes true, and apart from insight into the game itself, they serve no purpose.

            Watch TradeCentre – they sit staring into their phones until a trade happens, and then they fall over each other to say why it was so obvious.

            …sorry, I get a bit worked up about this… :)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Eddie says:

      Phil, I share your concern.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Based on what, though, Eddie?
        Some media yapping that may or may not be based in truth?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Eddie says:

          Certain media have more crebility than others.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I’m not arguing, Eddie, but I get really annoyed that these sorts of publicity bids actually get mileage.

            Credibility is usually based on nothing but other media types saying ‘he is one of the most credible sources in the business,’ which simply fits their agenda to have people watch their guy.

            How many of these ‘insiders’ have actually predicted a trade more than 15 minutes before it is announced to the media?

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Eddie says:

            Matty, there are different levels of credibility in the media, just like there are in politics, in law, and in every field.

            In this case, the reporting has come from a man, Louis Jean, who I believe to be more credible than others and more than most.

            Another example would be Boone. I believe in his integrity more than I believe in Jack Todd.

            I don’t think ALL MEDIA can be shoved into one category.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I agree that some people are better at analysing hockey than others, and therefore have greater credibility. I’m with you on Boone over Todd, for instance, but it’s more about these people who claim to have ‘sources’ that ‘tell them things’ that irks me.

            If the discussion was between Bergevin and the Avs GM, who can know what was said? These rumours all tend to explode in the end, and these ‘insiders’ come out unscathed because none of their colleagues are going to call them out on it because they are on as unstable ground as they are.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—


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