Gorges explains error

To his credit, Josh Gorges was in the room after Tuesday night’s loss.
“When I got it, I knew there wasn’t much time left on the clock and my thought process was to clear the zone and kill the clock,” Gorges said, explaining the play that led to Thomas Vanek’s goal. “Obviously, I didn’t want it to go all the way down the ice. I thought it would have stopped up.”

Quotes from the room

Pat Hickey’s game story

Dave Stubbs on Ryan Miller

Red Fisher on the free-spending Sabres

Hickey on Luke Adam

Pierre Ladouceur’s report card

Eric Lindros talks about concussions


  1. hahaha…. let’s get quebec a team asap!



  2. rogieshan says:

    I don’t expect Gomez to bounce back in any big way, but what I am more concerned about is the decline of his line-mate Gionta’s game. They’re now facing other teams second or third line, so they should have more room to skate. Perhaps it’s an effect of Gomez’s shoot-more approach that Gionta is adjusting to.

    • NightRyder says:

      Using his shooting percentage since arriving in Montreal, Gomez would have to take 560 shots this year to score 30 times. He is on pace for 213 shots this year. Given the same percentage, we can expect 11 goals. The Gomophiles will point out that would be a 57% increase, proof of his “bounce back” capabilities.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Gomophiles? Consider it coined. Brilliant.

      • V says:

        Judging from your stuff below you appear to be a bit of an authority on Gomez. What will the Canadiens do to deal with this situation?

        • NightRyder says:

          If I had to guess, nothing until the trade deadline.

          He will come in at about 10-34-44 and folks will still crow about his fancy-boy skating and his mystical intangibles.

          If we are in the mix for the eighth playoff spot, he will be kept. If we are off the pace, he’ll be moved at the deadline. I’d be thrilled with a fourth-round pick. If he is moved in that case, he’ll go 2-5-7 in 13 playoff games, and the braying doofuses will be crying about how we should have kept him forever.

          If he is kept (he’ll go 0-3-3 in our six playoff games), he will finally be dealt in the off-season to a team looking to hit the salary-cap floor. We won’t get more than a middling draft pick for him.

          However it plays out, this is his last year in Montreal.

  3. NightRyder says:

    I’d like to apologize to everyone for my bad math and to Mr. Boone for apparently screwing up the poll question.

    Gomez has gone 41 games without a goal (including playoffs), not 37 as I listed before. He last scored Feb. 5 against the Rangers.

    Correct numbers:
    0-for-this season
    0-for-last year’s playoffs
    0 goals in 41 games
    1 goal in 52 games
    2 goals in 59 games
    3 goals in 66 games
    8 goals in 110 games

    -28 during those 110 games

    NHL cap hit: $7.357 million; 11th in the league

    • SmartDog says:

      8 goals in 110 games. Wow. If you were a 4th line grinder and put up those numbers you might lose your job. How the hell this guy keeps his ice time I really freakin’ don’t get.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • The Chicoutimi Cucumber says:

        I’ve been as hard on Gomez as anyone, but this business of pointing to his GOALS totals as proof of his suckage is just stupid. This guy is not a goal scorer and never was a goal scorer. He is a playmaker and should be judged accordingly. In his first season with us, he was 20th in the NHL in assist totals. That is not amazing but it is acceptable, and a ‘bounce back’ season for him would bring comparable results or better.

        • NightRyder says:

          He has 16 assists in those 41 goalless games and is -13. Let him be judged accordingly.

          • habbernack says:

            That means he’s + 3

            ability is what you’re capable of doing.
            attitude determines how you do it

        • SmartDog says:

          You can’t say you’re as hard on Gomez as anyone.

          Name me another supposed first line center who scores only 6 goals. Okay, how about second line centers?

          What you’re saying is like saying we should only judge PK on his offensive play because that’s what he’s there for. If you are a top 6 forward you need to at least hit a RESPECTABLE level of play in areas that are not your specialty. Speaking of which if you don’t want to talk about goals, how about +/- ? Or is that another unfathomably irrelevant stat when it comes to Scott Gomez? His goals SUCK. His +/- SUCKS. His assists are okay. Forgetting his salary does that sound like a top 6 forward?

          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • nick says:

        True… but atleast the guy can skate…
        Which is more than I can say for one 3 year / almost 18M signing this summer…

  4. Ron in Ottawa says:

    The only good thing about losing three at home is that it brings the habs that much closer to the Molsons making some decisions about PG and JM. yes the team was well prepared for last night but it will soon go back to its defensive shell. History says the coach has about 15 games to get it right: remember Demers, Tremblay, Geoffrion.

    • SPATS says:

      That would be true if Cammy and Markov were in the lineup. Heck, while I’m here, throw in Whitey and Spatcho those 4 have enough combined experience at playing comeback fearlessly down the stretch. We’ve seen it so many times where we score to tie or pull closer then we pull Price and dominate the last 30-60 seconds. We rarely give up the empty netter. Just sayin, a little premature for calling for heads to roll.


    • habbernack says:

      Get rid of BG as a consultant too. He may have had an influence on the cole signing

      ability is what you’re capable of doing.
      attitude determines how you do it

  5. Chris says:

    The wisdom of Chris…

    The Gomez trade is not going to work out, because we’re going to regret giving up McDonagh. (McDonagh is rounding into a very good shutdown defenceman.)

    Scott Gomez is NOT a much better player than Saku Koivu at comparable age, and may not even be better than Saku Koivu in real-time.(In the seasons that Gomez turned 30 and 31, his first two with Montreal, he put up 19 goals and 97 points in 158 games with a -14 rating over that time. The past two seasons, Koivu put up 34 goals and 97 points to go with a +6 rating in 146 games. The season that Koivu turned 30 was wiped out by the lockout, but in the seasons where he was 31 and 32, he put up 39 goals and 137 points in 153 games but was an abysmal -20 over that time period).

    If Montreal can’t sign Kovalev, Brian Gionta will be a natural Plan B for Martin and Gainey. (I’m giving myself credit for being one of the few that was mentioning Montreal as a big pursuer of Gionta before he signed here.)

    Erik Cole might be in for a rude welcome from Habs fans given his penchant for terrible starts. (Sadly, looks like I was right. Now Part B of that prediction was that if people can be patient, he usually rounds into form starting mid-November.)

    The folly of Chris…

    The Gomez trade is not going to work out, because we’re going to regret giving up Higgins. (Most of you don’t regret giving up Higgins, so it is just me. But I blame the rest of you for this, and not me. 🙂 )

    Josh Gorges is simply not good enough to be anything but a third-pairing defenceman. (Oops.)

    Hal Gill is useless and won’t help the Habs. (So he’s only useless in the first half, and then turns into a defensive wall for the stretch and the playoffs.)

    Lars Eller is poised for a big breakout in his first year with the Habs. (But I still think it will happen this year. Or next year. Soonish, anyways!)

    Max Pacioretty has never been an elite goal-scorer, so I doubt he will turn into a 40 goal scorer in the NHL. (Note, this hasn’t happened yet, but I will eat crow anyway and say that he’s turning into our most dynamic offensive player).

    Losing Mike Komisarek is going to hurt the Habs. (Oops.)

    Montreal can’t beat Washington/Pittsburgh/Boston in a 7-game series. (Well, they did beat Washington and Pittsburgh, and came withing an OT goal of kocking off Boston. Oops.)

    So I’m 4/11 in this prediction thing. Not too good. So take the following with a grain of salt. I think Montreal will be safely in the playoffs come April 1. I like what I’m seeing out there.

    • shiram says:

      You should start a website, your % are better than Eklund’s for sure!

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • Chris says:

        Good point! I think he’s just selfish, because who doesn’t like tossing around absurd trade rumours to get people riled up? I had a blast last year with the conversation that surrounded my proposal of Plekanec + Kostitsyn+ 2 1st round picks to Pittsburgh for Malkin + Depres + a conditional 1st/2nd round pick. 🙂

    • habbernack says:

      Saku has WAY more heart than Gomez. He had more pts than gomez last year and has more pts than gomez this year. What was Gomez + – last year? I think it was around – 37.

      ability is what you’re capable of doing.
      attitude determines how you do it

    • rogieshan says:

      I think most of us regretted the Gomez trade the minute it happened. To this day, I don’t know the rationale behind Gainey giving away McDonagh in the deal. The Rangers needed cap space to sign Gabrorik and were desperate to unload Gomez’s salary. I can understand overpaying a free agent, but in a trade where you have all the leverage? I just don’t get it.

      • nick says:

        Don’t worry about it… In order to make up for Gainey’s mistakes, PG went out and signed Markov to a 3yr / 5.75 M per… with a NTC.

        If that doesn’t make you feel better about the Gomez situation (atleast Gomez can #$%@!’n skate!), I don’t know what will.

  6. Mattyleg says:

    Good morning, Lovelies,
    Nice to see so many smiling faces here today.
    Last night was kinda funny.
    It had been a while since I’d checked out the live blog, and last night was a bit of an eye-opener for me.
    I didn’t realize how many people can get SO angry about hockey. I understand that we in Montreal take hockey seriously, but people getting as negative and ranty and abusive towards our players and coaches, and as ‘throw-the-team-under-the-bus-after-the-first-five-games’-y as I saw last night shocked me a bit.
    I probably should have just kept my mouth shut because when people are in such high dander, it’s usually best to just stay away.

    Something I like about sports is that there is absolutely nothing I can do to change things, so if the team wins, I am happy. If they lose, I am forced to be philosophical about the nature of the world, about myself, about many many things.

    I find it fun to debate motivations, to play GM (I don’t do that much, but I enjoy reading it), to analyse players and their cycles of work/effort/success/failure, and to share happiness after a win, and commiserate after a loss.

    The heavy-handed negativity and abusiveness is not for me, and I sometimes wish that people could put a little bit of perspective into their comments.

    But then again, I don’t run the internet anymore (broke my little to and had to retire) so I’ll have to put up.
    But them’s my two cents for what they’re worth.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • savethepuck says:

      Too many people here based their opinions only on the final score and not an objective view of how the game was actually played. If the Habs played every game like they did last night, they’d win 8 of every 10 games. It’s only Ok when our goaltender steals a game.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  7. savethepuck says:

    I see they just put up another new interesting poll. Be interesting to follow the results of that one today. Send him to the AHL has seem to of taken the early lead, but what do we have there to replace him. The 2 AHL guys we have now, Enqvist and Palushaj, are playing adequate 4th line minutes ( 5 and 6 last night )and don’t seem to be making too many errors but are not overly impressive yet. It looks to me like Gomez may be getting 3rd line minutes although our 3 centers were close in minutes last night ( DD had 19:50, Plex had 19:08, Gomez had 19:10). When Cammy comes back, I think the AK-DD-MaxP line stays together. Cammy will probably play with Plex, but maybe he’ll be put with the G’s. Most likely either Eller or Cole will be put with the G’s giving 3 good line IMO, the other will stay with Plex and Cammy. Moen will be bumped to the 4th line where he belongs, and that should improve our 4th line that a lot of people seem to be complaing about. When White finally returns, that will improve the 4th line even more. I think we’ll have 3 balanced lines with the G’s getting slightly less minutes depending on how the game goes. I don’t think a lot of teams would complain about having Scott Gomez as their 3rd line center

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Feraco says:

      Good post. I as well would have Gomez on the 3rd line / 3rd line minutes. Him with Gionta and someone else would be a good 3rd line, barring they can start putting up points. Moen on the 3rd is no good mainly because Moen can get to the net, while Gomez cannot.

      Cammy would help that line but those 3 midgets on one line…I donno…+ I dont want Cammy to catch whatever Gomez is giving off. And Eller looks good with Pleks…finally a good problem to have. Cannot decifer the forward lines for a change…

      Gomez on the wing perhaps? Eller at center? – just an idea.

      Molson Ex mon ami

      • shiram says:

        Putting Gomez on the wings seems like giving him an excuse for his lack of success : I can’t play good if I can’t play my position.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • SmartDog says:

          Another excuse won’t matter. He’s near the end of his rope. He produces or not – if he doesn’t put up numbers at least of a decent 2nd line player this year, he’ll be sent down or bought out.

          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • savethepuck says:

        I think either Eller or Cole will be on the wing with the G’s.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

    • eller can fill gomez’s shoes. when cammy comes back there’ll be room to play. would just depend if JM can keep lines for more than a period. gotta admit though, the pax, dd and ak line was great. if he can put cole with cammy and pleks, then personally, i’d try gionta, eller and darche. gomer can have the 4th line with white and moen 😀


  8. LA Loyalist says:

    Sorry, I just woke up. Has Martin been fired yet?

  9. shiram says:

    Habs loss last night is on Anthony Calvillo, and his ceremony, glory hogging non hockey playing guy!

    If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

  10. arcosenate says:

    I have been reserving comment because I have been hoping he could turn it around but the truth is ugly and evident: Gomez is DONE. He can’t shoot, pass or win a draw. And there’s NOTHING we can do about it.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Gomez was 14-8 on faceoffs, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.

      • arcosenate says:

        LOL, ok, sorry he was 14-8 on faceoffs last night, now I can understand the $7.5 million pay cheque and the utter uselessness that has become his hockey game.

        I really wish people around here would stick their face off percentages someplace warm and realize there’s no hope for this guy.

        But don’t let the overwhelming evidence get in the way of a good face off fact.

        (Now that’s a good rant)

        • boris420 says:

          Stop blaming the guy cause of his salary…do you really expect any player to say “no, thats too much money, I’m not that good”…OF COURSE HE’LL ACCEPT IT!


          Watch habs games online:

          • arcosenate says:

            I am saying he is washed up, DONE, the salary is just a sidebar to what a horrible collapse he has managed over the past 3 years at his level of play and most of all commitment. He doesn’t appear to be trying very hard most nights. And he’s dragging everybody down that he plays with.

            The money could be better spent, that’s the point about the money.

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      The one thing JM can do about it & probably wouldn’t is sit his ass in the pressbox & let someone from Hamilton take his minutes. I get sick of seeing his name in the lineup & sicker looking at his useless minutes.

      “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

      • arcosenate says:

        Anyone could play up to his standards of the past 3 years, anyone, and for a tenth of the cash.

      • Feraco says:

        If he continues his play I cant see him being with the team next year. Reguardless of his pay. But he still needs to be replaced. If Desharnais and Pleks start producing points, Gomez will seem like less of a burden. Tough to swallow. I hope he performs up to 50+ points, but if not, we need to give him a chance to bomb.

        Molson Ex mon ami

    • avatar_58 says:

      Should have traded him after the ECF run when his stock was higher

  11. HabinBurlington says:

    2 Reasons not to watch CBC or TSN produced hockey games. BOth stations are running their opening intro finishing with a large sloth type creature raising the Stanley Cup. I cannot stand seeing that image.

  12. PG_doesnt_stand_for_Pierre_Gauthier says:

    Hi Guys, first time poster here.

    Great game last night but still, we’re stuck with the Carey Price wears a custom mask curse till the end of october. Seriously, he needs to stop wearing these masks, regardless of the cause!

  13. Ok I feel 1000 times better.

    I just watched the Bruins highlights. They looked like a bunch of classless fools where there’s no hiding from.

    Congrats Bruins. Now the entire world sees your True Colors. Losers!

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

  14. TomNickle says:

    HIO’s favourite son David Desharnais, I’m sorry, isn’t playing well enough to keep a job. Piss poor in the faceoff circle, giving up on plays to avoid getting hit. The lone thing he’s done well so far is battle down low.

    Early bright spots for me have been Andrei Kostitsyn, Lars Eller, Max Pacioretty(aside from Powerplay gaffs), Scott Gomez, Josh Gorges(last night notwithstanding) and Hal Gill is coming along.

    Guys who need to pick it up for me are Tomas Plekanec(see Desharnais), Brian Gionta, PK, Cole, Darche, Weber and Price.

    Everyone else seems to have had big swings in play. On top of the World one moment and justifiably in the dog house the next.

    I realize Plekanec has four points in five games but three of those came in one game. He’s been using his speed effectively as usual but has made a lot of bad decisions both with and without the puck and like Desharnais, is playing very tentatively.

    I’m sure the masses will jump all over me for my opinion that Gomez is playing well. Let me explain, he’s driving the net hard, taking good shots that are either scoring chances or leading to scoring chances and has been creating turnovers with effective checking. He’s also been very good in the faceoff circle. Hard to ask him for point production when he’s got Travis Moen to his left and a struggling Gionta to his right.

    If there’s one thing I can’t comprehend it’s that Martin persists in having Moen with Gomez and Gionta. He has little to no skill unless he has an hour to make a decision with the puck.

    That’s my little rant for the morning. Enjoy your day people

    For my money, Pacioretty and Eller seem to be the only two players on this team making those around them better.

    • Chris says:

      I think your list of players who have to pick it up has to include Subban. He was much better last night, but his mistakes (ill-advised pinch, getting stripped of the puck at center, etc.) have been costly thus far this season.

      As for Desharnais, it is hard for me to be too critical. I thought the Kostitsyn-Desharnais-Pacioretty line was great the past couple of games, and I’m loathe to break up a line that is working.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        It’s working now certainly but I don’t like the implication of what it takes for DD to have success, the best PF we’ve had since Leclaire left and AK who while not a true PF, is about the physically strongest forward we have.

        I think it’s a bit of a disturbing trend we’ll see this year, DD will get leaned on a lot because he goes down but a ref doesn’t buy he is going down because it’s a nasty play, but because he’s shorter than Gionta (and weaker, and slower). (5’7″ Is a Media guide bump, he was listed 5’6″ all of last year).

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Chris says:

          Two ways to look at it. Pacioretty is a good player, but he needs skilled guys to play with. For all his faults, Gomez IS skilled and they hit it off last season. Desharnais also possesses good skills and a decent hockey IQ, so he makes a good playing partner.

          One of the most fantastically skilled forwards in the NHL is Ilya Kovalchuk, and we found out last year that even a guy with such prodigious talent can’t succeed alone. If Pacioretty is playing well, some of the credit for that goes to his linemates.

          I have no trouble whatsoever putting Desharnais with Kostitsyn and Pacioretty, because the line works.

          The Cole-Plekanec-Eller line is also working, but people aren’t talking about how Plekanec is only doing well because he’s playing with two big bodies.

          The Gionta-Gomez-Cammalleri has potential to be an absolutely terrifying line combination if Martin has the guts to keep the other two lines intact. The other team will have to choose its poison. Do you load up against the threat of last year’s top two scorers (Gionta/Cammalleri) and take your best defenders off Plekanec, freeing that line up to do more damage?

          I’m happy right now. 🙂

      • TomNickle says:

        It does include Subban 😉

    • CERF says:

      i made the same comment to my father last night about DD.. he getting a lot of love. Granted he is playing well but i think Eller in his spot would be a world changer and really have that line take off.

      DD keeps getting knocked off the puck, granted he fights back but it to little to late

    • Anti JM says:

      Hey Tom

      I’m sorry, but I have to call into question just what the heck you are seeing out there! Gomez absolutely stinks, and desharnais is thus far, one of the habs leading point producers AND is working extremely well with Paccioretty. What you seem to be missing is that at least several times a game, DD sets up linemates with clear scoring opportunities. If you’re mad that he took that faceoff that led to a goal, your anger should be directed at JM for not using pleks in that situation when pleks was 9/4 in the faceoff circle at that time in the game compared to DD’s 6/5. Overall though, while DD may get pushed around some, he is effective, smart, and above all else, HE PRODUCES.

      and I say that an an ANGLOPHONE!

      • TomNickle says:

        Anti Coach,

        Not trying to get too personal here. But it’s difficult to tell somebody else you think they aren’t watching when you make a comment about the coaches decision not to put Plekanec out for a faceoff when it’s ont he heels of an icing and the coach isn’t able to put the player on the ice.

        • Say Ash says:

          Damn these crazy new rules!

        • Anti JM says:

          Point taken on the faceoff- It doesnt change the fact that DD is playing extremely well, producing, setting up linemates, creating scoring opportunities multiple times a game. I see none of that from gomez. He refuses to go to the dirty areas, he gets outcompteted all the time along the walls in one on one battles, he backchecks at half the speed which he naturally has, his shot, when he takes it is anemic. Why dont you ask paccioretty how much he likes playing with DD? Or ask any of his other teamates..I think those guys know. Stop looking at his size, or his “speed”. Does he produce? yes. Has he missed out on more pts because others around him havent finished some freebies he’s thrown them? yes.

          sorry- but I don’t think your being fair to the guy.

          DD is a superb talent. Id MUCH rather have him on the team that gomez.Per Eller; he’s got loads of potential. I’d like to start to see that translate into points.

          • TomNickle says:

            Well, in my opinion, if you don’t think that Gomez is playing much better than he was last year and think Desharnais’ game hasn’t dropped off at all from last year, it leads me to believe you see some players through rose coloured glasses. Calling Desharnais a superb talent is beyond a reach. He’s a nice story, a skilled forward who earned his way to the NHL. Nothing more, nothing less. Time will tell if that changes.

            As for Gomez, some people feel that anything less than 90 points annually is a disappointment. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with that opinion. But that doesn’t change the fact that he’s playing some of his best hockey as a Hab right now.

        • Anti JM says:

          SORRY BUB-

          I think we see things differently. Good luck with gomez …lol…the guy is a total bust. Can’t wait to unload him. DD has 3 pts in 5 games and is a plus one …and would have more pts if people had finished off his gimme’s…

          gomez? 1 pt, minus 1. no heart, no guts…its not deminished skills…its his lack of effort to really get his nose dirty.

    • punkster says:

      Only a few slightly different opinions here. I’m OK so far with DD simply because of what may be chemistry with Max and his good down low work is something the team could learn from and improve. Needs more time. As for Gionta I think he is the one who needs to pick it up the most. Whether it’s his effort or simply timing I don’t know but the number of missed opportunities are mounting up.

      I’ll also say it’s good to see you didn’t point a finger at JM. He seems to have the team up for the last 2 games so it’s kind of hard to blame him for the losses.
      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • TomNickle says:

        I kind of did though. Moen with Gomez and Gionta is beyond braindead. Palushaj would be a better choice.

        • punkster says:

          Ha, true. One of those things JM does that sometimes makes me go “Huh?”. However, Moen goes hard to the corners. Palushaj, not so sure. The Gs need someone who will.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Chorske says:

            Paluhaj was FINE- I thought he handled himself against big guys like The Gaustad quite well, controlled the puck well behind the net a couple of times.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Really? The AK/DD/Patches line was the ONLY line to impress me last night. Leave those guys alone.

      Don’t even talk to me about gomez and gionta….

    • Chorske says:

      What? Were we watching the same game? I thought DD played a mature game, didn’t make that many glaring mistakes- and I don’t even agree with the general consensus that he lost the faceoff that led to the GWG. I thought he got the puck to Pacioretty reliably and played well positionally for such a young player.

      Of all the people to pick on!

    • VancouverHab says:

      Dear Tom: please email me your address so I can send you a bottle of single-malt.

      You give voice to my point of view, better said than I could. It’s been immiserating for me here last few days: you’ve really picked me up by stating what, to me, just seems obvious.


  15. J_P says:

    A few things I noticed:
    – As much as losing sucks, the habs should be proud of that one last night. They definitely outplayed the sabres, but its evident our team is lacking pure finishers.
    – speaking of pure finishers, what a shot Vanek put on Price! You could see him let Carey Price make the first move when he drew his stick back and then just pick his spot and let er rip. He did all this in one second. What a player.

    – David Desharnais is far superior to Scott Gomez in every facet of the game. Gomez was apprently just saying all the right things this summer, like always.

    – Although we did outplay the sabres, there were a lot of poor shots. Shots that the boys should never expect to go in. If you’re going to shoot for the sake of shooting, at least try to shoot so there’s a rebound, and not right at the goalies chest, which brings me to my next point…

    – Traffic in front of the net. The habs just don’t seem to make the opposing goalies life difficult.

    All in all, if they keep playing like they did last night they’ll be just fine.

    • shiram says:

      Diaz had a nice shot, gotta give him props for that, though the pass Paccioretty made was excellent too.
      Gomez, I think he is trying to make scoring chances happen, but his commitment to the complete game is lacking.
      Our guys were definately aiming at Miller’s Sabres logo, not gonna work on a goalie of Miller’s caliber.
      I agree, and while we had some people buzzing the net, they should have made Miller’s life more difficult.

      Last night’s game was good, but there are still adjustements to be made.

      If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

      • J_P says:

        You’re right, Diaz definitely deserves some props for that beauty. Patches has been the story for the habs this year IMO. No signs that the injury is slowing him down one bit. He also seems to have full confidence when it comes to the physical play.

        I also liked what I saw from Emelin last night. We’re starting to see that physical play that we heard so much about before he came over.

        • shiram says:

          Patches and Gorges are great to see, they truly overcame their injuries.
          Emelin is looking great, and seems to improve with each game, it seems things are looking up for him.

          If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • Mr. Biter says:

          I disagree with Tom”s post about DD. His line is one of the best we have out there and he is allways digging for the puck and or in front of the net despite his size. I do agree his lack of success in face off’s , however since I only watched the 3rd period all our center’s suck in the face off (re. Buff’s 2.nd goal) last night and also vs. the Avs. If anyone has the face off ratio’s of our centermen after 5 games (I’m sure someone has it covered) please post it, as I would like to know.

          Mr. Biter

          • J_P says:

            I totally disagree with Tom about desharnais. Im not saying desharnais is lights out awesome, but he’s definitely better than gomez at this point.

            Year in and year out we are absolutely terrible at faceoffs. Its ridiculous. This should be a focus in practice for all our centers. they should pay Yannick Perreault to come coach the centers for a few days on faceoffs.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Not to pile on Tom N re Gomez (my feelings about Gomer are over-known) but to me the key difference between Gomez and DD is that Gomez doesn’t seem to give a crap anymore and worse, it seems to be contagious.

      DD, the little engine that could, at least fights for every inch and goes to the net.

      I’m frustrated almost to the point where I would play all the kids, let them learn, suffer through it — while Gomer, Gionta, etc. sit in the press box and eat hot dogs.

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    You cannot explain mental errors! This team is not yet ready mentally to play together as a well oiled machine.

    This is the worse start in more than 12 years, and I would go as far to say that this team is the worse prepared team to play at the NHL level in my 60 years of watching them.

    There is all kinds of effort for sure, but they are not even close to playing like a team yet. It is still training camp for them with no practiced game plan or proper coaching of all facets of the game.

    The team is on about 4 different pages spinning their wheels to no avail. I am not being critical here, I am just pointing out that we need 1 person to take charge and implement repetition practice of the basics.

    Changing lines all the time is proof the coaches are at a loss to understand the problem in the way the team does not play the basics properly yet. A team plays as they practice. So the practice has to change big time!

    If we were to play Kirk Mullers AHL team today, they would beat us. Because they play as a team. We have not even graduated training camp this year yet.

    • NightRyder says:

      Busting a gut at “all fascists” of the game.

    • My miss Kirk Muller, but he’s not going to make Gomez, and company score any goals. They just aren’t natural scores.

      If I had Eller. I’d park his ass 10 feet out in front of the net, but up a shooter tooter, and tell him to pick every hole 1000 times.

      If Maurice Richard can sit in front of a net all day by himslef and pick corners, then that’s the standard.

      Price stayed after practice yesterday because he wanted to work on things.

      Was Gomez, Pleks, Gionta, and Cole out there picking corners? I didn’t hear they were. Are they too good to put in extra time?

      Are you hearing me JM? Maybe when I come to Montreal I’ll come in and give a final briefing speech and when I’m done they’ll feel like they could fight through anything.

      Shane Oliver
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      Ph- 204 724 8418

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Good point about Richard, Shane. Lafleur used to go the rink very early and work by himself. Mike Bossy worked like a maniac. Funny how the best shooters seem to be the guys that work the hardest.

        My personal theory is the players are so psyched out by “le systeme” that they are holding their sticks too tight to react naturally.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You’ve nailed it, Ian.

      When this happens in football, a wise coach simplifies the game and let’s the best players create. But JM hates creativity, so we have a problem.

      I would also say, not to excuse Price, who has not been sharp, but as a former goalie myself, when there is confusion in front of you, it makes your job a lot harder. I used to tell my D one thing: “take away the pass, I’ll handle the shooter.” Simplify, simplify simplify.

      We have a fast team, this should be a huge advantage. I don’t think JM has 10 games unless he reinvents himself.

      Dead man walking.

    • G-Man says:

      Wow, Ian. You’re now officially the biggest JM hater here, and that’s saying something.

  17. HolyHabs says:

    Don’t worry Josh.
    Hey PG
    I know Hamrlik is old and washed up. So tell me why he is playing 21:30 for the Caps D and 2nd highest on the team? First unit penalty kill and second unit powerplay. So the guy isn’t good enough for us @ $3.5M but good enough for the Cup contending Caps. Oh yea, that 2nd year of salary was a real deal breaker with Spacek gone next year.

  18. Chris says:

    At this time last year, I was engaged in a bit of a war with numerous posters. Since I’m embracing my inner scurvy scallywag this morning, I thought I would remind people.

    2010-11: 40 GP, 1 G, 8 A, +15, 18:44 TOI, 1:30 SH TOI, 56 Hits, 69 BS
    2011-12: 4 GP, 1 G, 2 A, +2, 25:08 TOI, 5:19 SH TOI, 6 Hits, 6 BS

    You know, it looks like 6’1″, 216 lb. Ryan McDonagh isn’t the bust that so many told me he was!

    McDonagh remains perhaps the only player that the Habs have dealt away via trade that I continue to dread. Well, that and my unnatural love affair with Chris Higgins (1 2nd Star and 2 3rd Star performances through the first 6 games) continues. 😉

    • HabinBurlington says:

      So is that one big “I Told You So!” posted at that someone in particular?

    • You for got to mention how great Halak is.

      Shane Oliver
      Brandon, MB,Canada
      R7B 2R7
      Ph- 204 724 8418

      • Chris says:

        That’s because I’ve never particularly gotten too engaged in the Halak vs. Price wars that you and some others seem to love, Sholi. 🙂 Can’t help but notice how much you’ve quieted down over the past couple of weeks now that your boy is struggling too.

        I like both guys. If I had to go for a beer with one guy or the other, I’d pick Halak since he seems like a nicer guy to me from what I’ve seen in interviews and such.

        If I had to pick a guy to build a team around, Price was the safer bet and I was ecstatic to see the Habs pick up Eller, who I quite like. If you go back and surf through the boards, you’ll find that I was one of the most vocal supporters of that trade when it was made.

        If I had to pick one guy that I hope succeeds, I’ll call it a draw and hope they both do well. Satisfy you? 🙂

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Chris, you can’t post “a war with numerous posters” without specifying it a little more! That’s like saying you want to talk about a battle in WW2 without saying which one. All we do is brawl around here! 🙂

      • Chris says:

        Au contraire…I did do it. 🙂

        Nah, there were just a number of posters that were arguing that since McDonagh was still in the NCAA, he would never make it. Then, when he didn’t make it out of training camp, they argued that it proved he was a bust.

        McDonagh is a great example of the benefit of patience. People who watched McDonagh play in the NCAA, such as Yeats, were really high on the kid. Most of the scouting reports I saw on him remained extraordinarily positive. Yet fans, who are often too impatient for their own good, were quick to write him off as another David Fischer.

        Let’s hope that the fans give kids like Danny Kristo or Steve Quailer or Mac Bennett the patience they need to develop (or not) into NHL players.

  19. NightRyder says:

    Gorges is far from a problem.
    But does anyone else hate it when the media gets all gooey over guys who “at least” were there to admit their mistakes after the game?
    What the hell are they supposed to do? You’re taught when you’re two to admit it when you spilled the orange juice.
    “What a stand-up guy,” gushes ancient, doughnut-eating media loser, hoping his journalistic lapdance means his hero might actually acknowledge him in the dressing room next time.

  20. nunacanadien says:

    It’s early in the year. Cammy is hurt and we really notice the team struggle without him. I though Cole was supposed to be the answer. Clearly Gomez is more of a liability now than ever. Maybe it is time we send Gomez down to Hamilton and bring up some other youngsters, or at least sit Gomez out until Cammy returns. We need a bigger (in size and skill) offense.

    • NightRyder says:

      No, Gomez should play 20 minutes a game until his veteran intangibles help him work his way out of his slump. What’s a 37-game goalless slump among friends? Four goals in 67 games isn’t bad. He’s also a -14 during that time, so at least he’s playing well defensively.

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    Is this PG listening to JM’s explanation of the game?


  22. Braidan says:

    Nice to see even Buffalo writers think we played a good game:

    “The Sabres essentially had no business beating the Montreal Canadiens on Tuesday night, yet they did. For that Buffalo can thank a perfect three-second sequence and a near-perfect three-period outing by Ryan Miller.

    Miller was the game’s First Star, holding off the Habs long enough for his sluggish team to eventually come around for a 3-1 victory in Bell Centre. Miller was dynamic as the Habs outshot the Sabres, 41-23.

    “Millsie stole us this one,” left wing Thomas Vanek said. “There’s no other way of putting it. We got enough plays where we scored on, but at the same time it was an ugly win. But you take all of them.”


    I like what I saw, the outcome was disappointing, but the team is headed in the right direction.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I am sure all of Buffalo hope we play as well all year, and miss the play offs.!

      • Braidan says:

        If we play like we did last night every game we are bound to win more than we lose.
        Can’t be snakebit like that every game.

        I hope….

        • nunacanadien says:

          Or we end up injuring Cammy, Campoli, Markov, all early injuries trying to keep up with the rugged five on five style that JM stands behind. I mean it’s a good format for the Olympics where there is little contact or International Hockey, but five on five has no place in the NHL unless all your players are big enough and heavy enough to stay in their positions. All the other teams have to do is heavy check Gomez or Gionta or Cole and they cough up the puck, so what good does the five on five do if you don’t have offensive skill to take advantage of it, or to fall back on size? Neither of which the Habs have in any abundance.

          • Chris says:

            Even though I know I will regret this….seriously? Cammalleri gets a freak cut on his leg, Campoli gets caught in a rut on the ice on an innocent play and Markov remains out after his surgically repaired knee gave out LAST year and required another bout of surgery.

            How do any of those somewhat innocuous injuries have anything to do with the team’s style of play? It’s a dangerous sport, and guys get hurt.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Agree Chris.

          • Braidan says:

            JM has a rugged style??!!
            We don’t have skill??
            So when Price steals us a win or two it’s because he is a great goalie, but when another goalie steals a game FROM us then we suck and should implode the team and start over?

            C’mon people.

      • Ozmodiar says:


        /rolls eyes

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Ian, against any other goalie that night in the NHL, the Canadiens would chased the guy out of the net. Miller played he did at the Olympics, lights-out perfection.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Ian Cobb says:

          We had him dead to right a few times and missed the net, Pleks was the worst when he was down and out. Our timing and play making finish is not even close yet. Even Price is playing back in his net, when he is on top of his game he will challenge at the top of his crease like Miller did last night. So mentally the whole team is not there yet. We do have the talent this year for sure, that is why I am on their butt some. Mostly the coaching.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Last night wasn’t the coaching Ian (it has been in the last couple years, JM has dropped the ball here and there) but that was Miller being just brilliant in nets and our guys shanking on their chances. Which is going to happen because we don’t have many pure finishers.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

    • hansolo says:

      I actually watched the game last night on my computer from an MSG feed, with Buffalo announcers. Their coverage was indeed fair and balanced, and much better than the stuff I’m used to seeing from the CBC. They did give the Canadiens credit. Props to them.

  23. dontpanic says:

    Am I missing something?

    What’s the point of putting up half a dozen links to websites you have to pay for…why not just charge people for accessing the hockeyinsideout.com and quit being so under handed?


  24. Chris says:

    Great article on Jaromir Jagr over at Yahoo Sports. For a guy who has always had a reputation of not caring, these are the kinds of articles that show that he must have had SOME sort of extra drive to excel, otherwise it is hard to imagine how he obtained the other-worldly skills he possesses.

  25. caladin says:

    Based on last night, I’m thinking:



    • Neutral says:

      you won’t see Gomez on the 4th line never. management don’t want to admit their mistake. 41 shots nothing wrong with the lines couldn’t beat miller. he won the game. last nights game belonged to the Habs, that’s just the way it goes sometimes. also buffalo is a pretty good team.

  26. Jordio-oh says:

    I’ve never noticed this before, but Ryan Miller’s wins to losses record against certain teams (and even as a whole) is quite impressive.

    Miller is:
    11-2-5 against Winnipeg
    20-5-7 against Boston
    20-8-5 against Montreal
    12-5-2 against Rangers
    17-4-0 against Tampa (!!!)
    24-11-0 against Toronto

    These are fantastic records and even though they become less impressive when you add the OTL into the loss category, Miller is still doing what it takes to get his team into OT/Shootout to try and get those key extra points.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I’m starting to think he is a pretty good goalie! 🙂

    • Tony McLean says:

      Miller showed Scarey Price how it’s done.

      Patrick Roy 151-94, Ken Dryden 80-32, Jacques Plante 71-37, Lorne Worsley 40-26, Bill Durnan 27-18, Rogatien Vachon 23-23, George Hainsworth 22-25, Jose Theodore 19-28, Gerry McNeil 17-18, Steve Penney 15-12, George Vezina 9-4, Jaroslav Halak 9-9, Michel Larocque 6-6, Ron Tugnutt 9-13, Charlie Hodge 7-8, CAREY PRICE 8-15, Cristobal Huet 6-10, Denis Herron 5-10, Jeff Hackett 3-7, Jocelyn Thibault 4-11

  27. kitbeyer says:

    Lots to like about the young’uns on this team. I just hope they don’t peak too early this year 🙂

  28. Bill says:

    Habs played a good game and basically got stoned by a very hot goalie. They should have won this game like 4-2, but in hockey sometimes the goalie can single-handedly win it, and Miller was the guy last night.

    So it was probably their strongest effort of the year, and I’m not worried about it. Only problem is they’re digging a hole for themselves, but it’s probably the same as the last few seasons: fight to make the playoffs, and probably do.

    Gomez has always been a slow starter, so there is still hope that he can start being productive. But until that happens it’s wishful thinking to say, as Boone did on ALN, that he’s “crafting a bounce-back season”. He doesn’t look effective to me, and another coach would probably not be playing him nearly twenty minutes a game.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I only saw the first two periods but Miller was not forced to make great saves. Yes he was solid, but our domination did not translate into scoring chances. Gionta’s favourite shot (a weak wrister on the logo) is now his only shot. Gomez’s wristers don’t even have enough zip to hit the logo. Moen and Cole have cement hands.

      Reasons for optimism, yes, but once again the team dominates but is deflated when Price gives up a softie.

      • shiram says:

        Reason for optimism is the younger players, Eller, Emelin, Diaz, DD are all taking on alot of minutes and hopefully racking in the experience so they can be a new wave of players for the Habs.
        Hopefully out with old, in with the new.

        Gotta say Gomez looked like he was trying to score or setup chances, but was weak in his own zone.

        If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

        • coldness81 says:

          Eller… Give me a break he’s a kid. What has he done to make u think he’s going to be a big time player. DD has shown more promise

          • shiram says:

            Never said he was going to be a big time player. Eller has not done anything yet, well not much, nothing to indiciate superstardom for sure, but he is working hard, using his body and he wins puck battles. He has to turn on the scoring touch for sure, but he still has a better chance of having a future with the Habs than DD does, I think.

            I just like to see a player out there that works hard all the time, it’s refreshing on a team where a number of players take shifts off.

            If you don’t grok it, drokk it!

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Eller doesn’t get muscled by every player on the opposing team and refs actually believe it when he’s tripped or hooked it’s not because he’s puny but because a penalty occured. He’s also younger and his upside is greater as a Top-6 player.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Erik Cole has cement hands? He’s not even 30 career goals behind Brian Gionta. A slow starter in his career and the coach isn’t playing him much.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • SLONCOLD says:

      Lol Gomez … Slow starter. Been a few years since he signed that contract, he’ll get started soon

  29. Ozmodiar says:

    I thought i heard someone (from the bench?) yelling at Gorges to get rid of it before he iced it. Not saying it made a difference, but, sometimes players can be influenced by those on the bench. Just ask Chris Webber.

    Also, I’m pretty sure AK’s responsibility on the goal was the point man. Had the goal come from the point, I’m sure AK would be blamed for that as well.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Oh boy if Josh Gorges has the same decision making skills as Chris Webber then Josh should have had a lobotomy not ACL repair last year.

    • Chris says:

      After watching the replays quite a bit this morning, I think that Vanek was Kostitsyn’s responsibility. The Habs were lined up in a puzzling way, with Pacioretty and Kostitsyn stacked at the RW hash mark and Gorges at the LW hashmark. With that alignment, I would imagine that Gragnani was Pacioretty’s responsibility, Sekera was Gorges’ responsibility and Vanek was Kostitsyn’s. I would have put Gorges over into a shot-blocking lane, personally, but that might be why I’m not a defensive coach. 🙂

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Okay – makes sense.

        Speaking of Gorges’ shot-blocking – i liked the head-first effort he made on Vanek’s shot. Crazy fella.

        • nunacanadien says:

          We saw JM’s play the point and rigidly applying that rule fall apart, there is a weakness in JM’s style of play, which relies heavily on Carey Price to save everything when people can’t play their position.

  30. joshua94k says:

    In March 1979, the Canadiens were playing a crucial game against the Islanders for 1st place overall. They lost that night and the team headed to the dressing room unhappy. Only coach Scotty Bowman was happy. The fire had been lit and this team is ready now, he felt.

    Similarly, coach Jacques Martin is feeling pretty good now. The Canadiens have been playing 4 periods of dominating hockey. Every line is working hard. The team defense is playing better each game and so is Carey Price. Last night…

    The Canadiens out shot the Sabres 41-22, out hit them 27-18, allowed one powerplay chance, were better on face-offs and out chanced the Sabres by a wide margin. Moen, Desharnais, Diaz, Eller are playing better than expected. Paccioretty is playing the best hockey of his career. Cammalleri will play Saturday.

    The tide has turned.

    Something is happening here, and I don’t know what it is. – Mike Boone Montreal Gazette

    • Tony McLean says:

      Price is now 32nd in the NHL in save percentage.

      • RJB says:

        And probably more than likely to stay there right?? We should send him down? Or trade him? Or buy him out? Something cause he just plain old sucks right? The worst we ever had? We should throw you in net instead right? Cause I mean you wouldn’t have the 32nd best save percentage? You’d be at least 30 right? We should protest until YOU become the GM of the Habs, than you will finally be able to rid ourselves of that great burden that is Carey Price.

        Thanks for sharing that piece of really meaningful information with us, because as reasonable human beings we all know that after less than a quarter of the season goalie stats sure do mean a lot!

        Where would we be without you?

        “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
        – Bilbo Baggins

  31. habs12 says:

    I dont know who the refs were for that bruins game last night but it is about time! finally these hacks got what they deserved. You saw this against us in the playoffs last year when things weren’t going their way they start with all that bull. Usual suspects chara, Marchand, Horton, lucic oh and julien….let’s just hope the habs get some of these refs for our upcoming home and home cause it could get ugly if both teams are still struggling by then.

  32. 24 Cups says:

    I just read MB’s ‘About Last Night’ thread. Most of the blame seems to be heaped on Price and Martin, with a dollop of Scott Gomez. Looks like it’s the same old song on HI/O.


    • DEANDALLEY says:

      Boone is following in Fishers foot steps as of late. BLAH BLAH BLAH …

      “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

    • Chris says:

      Why should there be any blame?

      The Habs have always struggled with converting scoring chances, but that is a team design issue. They’re generating chances and held a very good team to 2 goals and 23 shots while peppering Miller, who was outstanding, with 41 shots of their own.

      Teams get off to slow starts. It’s 5 games in right now, and people are already writing off the team’s chances to win the division. Montreal is beset by two key injuries: Markov and Cammalleri. Throw in shaky play from Price and Subban and an awkward schedule (home openers in Toronto, Winnipeg and Montreal) and you’ve got the current record.

      The other team’s in the division and conference will also run into the injury buzzsaw…it is the nature of the sport. I hate losing early season points, but let’s wait until the 20 game mark to see what the standings are at that point.

      The top 3 teams in the East are pretty much the teams we thought would be there: Pittsburgh, Washington and Buffalo. The bottom two teams are pretty much who I expect will be there at the end of the season: Ottawa and Winnipeg.

      But how many people REALLY believe that Carolina, the Islanders, Toronto and Florida are ALL going to finish ahead of Montreal, Tampa Bay and Boston?

  33. avatar_58 says:

    Suddenly this team has become the caps – run and gun with no mind whatsoever to D coverage. Problem is they don’t have finishers so it’s a pointless effort.

    What happened to the structured D that frustrated teams last year? I do not want to see what teams like Boston or Philly will do to this team, it won’t be pretty.

    • SLONCOLD says:

      Well 2 of those D have left… Habs lost 2-1. Defense wasn’t bad last night. Miller simply stole one

      • avatar_58 says:

        He did but there were also quite a few brain farts that could have ended up in the net. Buffalo played like the habs did in the ECF run – sit back and wait for mistakes while the goalie plays out of his mind

      • DEANDALLEY says:

        Montreal miss toomany open nets every freakin game. Pleks brain fart missing open net had nothing to do with Miller …

        “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

        • SLONCOLD says:

          When a goalie in on all players take note. Players try for better shots or rush a shot to get a split second advantage. Unfortunately some times u get misses. Pleks is playin well, so give him a break

          • nunacanadien says:

            When half the team undergoes brain rattling checks cause they are all under 6 feet 2 inches and weigh less than 204 pounds, how can you expect them to shoot on the net properly to begin with? You want to know why bigger teams like Buffalo constantly outplays Montreal? Cause they are a lot bigger and can put up with all the physical nature of hockey.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      What happened to Gionta’s shot?

    • Chris says:

      Run and gun?

      The Habs have averaged 24.6 shots against per game, 3rd least in the NHL behind the San Jose Sharks and St. Louis Blues.

      They lost the game last night by a score of 2-1. In their losses, they’ve lost 2-0, 4-1 (in a game where Price wasn’t super sharp), 6-5 (in a game where Price was definitely not on his game) and now 2-1. With Price playing like his usual self, and I think most of us are confident that he will return to that form, the Habs are doing a fine job defensively.

      For years, Habs fans have asked that the Habs play like a top team. Well, they are following the Detroit Red Wings script to a tee right now. In the Red Wings best season, they’ve usually boasted one of the largest positive disparities between shots for and shots against each year. The goals aren’t going in now, but the return of Cammalleri and the usual hot streaks of Kostitsyn and Gionta will help. Once Markov returns later on, they should get even better looks at the net due to his great passing.

  34. Neutral says:

    The “D” and Goaltending is our problem right now. they played a good game up front last night. miller was the difference. when a goalie stops 40 shots what can you do. defensive mistakes is why we loss. on to Gomez. people are complaining about paying big dollars to go and see gomez, it’s easy don’t go. he’s not gonna get any better. he’s playing out his contract and he’ll move along somewhere else and make another bag of money. anyway I like the way the lineup is right now they’re getting lots of shots when you come up against a hot goalie and a team whom makes less mistakes, that’s the way it goes…

  35. DEANDALLEY says:

    Martin is useless.

    Youppi is useless. The expos never won squat with it around.

    Gomez is more useless.

    Price needs 10 shots within the first 5 mins of a game to stay sharp.

    The Habs need to stop missing open nets.

    As long as the Molsons are making $$$ JM & PG will still be here

    “Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing”

  36. 24 Cups says:

    I have to agree a bit with Gorges in terms of how he viewed the “deciding play” of the game. It’s not like he slapped the puck down the ice or along the boards.

    As for the faceoff, I think all four players have to share the blame. DD lost he draw, Subban was poorly positioned (considering the time left), Gorges had a hiccup and AK46 was frozen in time flatfooted (again).

    Having said all of that, I disagree with the notion that it was the deciding play of the game. Truth be told, the Habs still had another 20 minutes to try and score another goal. Plus a few powerplays to capitalize on. Lots of chances to get the equalizer. The fact that Eller was our best forward and that Diaz was our top Dman means the veterans on the team need to step it up a bit. Especially the forwards.

    Things are pretty messy right now but I don’t think it means we still can’t make the playoffs in April. Realistically it probably means that a division title is out the window as we will be in another life and death struggle to just make the playoffs.

    Did I mention that our last game of the season is against the laffs?

    • Chorske says:

      I thought the faceoff was…well, a draw. PK was a bit off but the biggest problem (and this was highlighted on the TSN broadcast) was that AK started moving FORWARD even though the puck was loose- which meant he was way off his man when the Sabres got possession. I hate to rag on him because he played an otherwise great game, but that goal is as much on AK as it is on Gorges.

      • kitbeyer says:

        Impossible to tell whose fault but definitely miscommunication between Patches, AK, and Gorges. Also, why is DD trying to win the draw clean? Anyway, Miller stole the show but lots to look forward to with our crew I believe.

    • Chris says:

      On the Vanek goal, both wingers (Pacioretty and Kostitsyn) went out to the point man (Gragnani). I’m not sure what the typical play design is on a faceoff like that, where the usual conventions might be thrown out the window, but usually the point men are the responsibility of the wingers, while the opposing team’s wingers are the responsibility of the defencemen. So if Vanek was that wide open and clearly the best shooter on the ice, wouldn’t it have made sense to have a defenceman on him?

      EDIT: Watched again. I have no idea why they positioned the players the way they did. Vanek does appear to be Kostitsyn’s man, while the opposing defenceman (Sekera) was going to be covered by Gorges (?!!!?????) if the puck was won back that way. What good is putting one of the team’s best shot-blocking defencemen over on the boards on that faceoff with 3 seconds to go? That positioning makes zero sense to me, but I guess that is why I’m not a defensive coach in the NHL.

      As for Kostitsyn, I’ve felt like he’s been amongst the best forwards on the team this season. He’s been skating, and I still think he might be the best passer on the team. He’s been setting up some beautiful plays for his linemates in every game. The Diaz goal was created by Kostitsyn gaining the zone and taking a hit along the boards to get the puck to Pacioretty, who then fed Diaz.

      Watching the highlights, I still can’t believe how badly Plekanec flubbed that shot in the second period. Ugh…right into Miller’s bread basket, even though Miller was lying face-down on the ice. I’ve always thought that the Habs aim a little too often for the crest, but hitting the crest on THAT play shows just how well the team has perfected the art now. 🙂

    • avatar_58 says:

      Gorges – “not me man, it was desharnais and price that cost us the goal”

      Excuses excuses

  37. The_Franchise31 says:

    I wouldnt lame josh for icing the puck that lead to the goal but how the hell did vanek get all alone 30 feet from the face off!!! I believe he was ak46′ man…

  38. 24 Cups says:

    I think power rankings are too short sighted in terms of timelines but I’ll post them anyway.


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