Goodbye to Moore, Metro, Bergeron

General manager Pierre Gauthier confirmed today that Dominic Moore, Marc-Andre Bergeron, Paul Mara and Glen Metropolit are not in the Canadiens’ plans for next season. Gauthier said he informed the four unrestricted free agents that the team was not interested in negotiating with them. Gauthier said he thanked the four for their contributions last season but said the players didn’t fit in the Canadiens’ plans.

Gauthier also said he would not be making a contract offer to David Fischer. The Canadiens’ first-round draft choice (20th overall) in 2006 will become a free agent on Aug. 15.

The Canadiens will receive a compensatory second-round draft choice next year … which is good, because Gauthier sent his second-round pick to Florida for Dominic Moore.

Speaking on the opening day of the Canadiens’ development camp, Gauthier said negotiations were ongoing with two restricted free agents, goaltender Carey Price and forward Maxim Lapierre. He said the team would review any further personnel moves after those players were signed.

The camp, which runs through Friday in Brossard, brings together 23 players including their five picks from last month’s draft as well as some AHL players like P.K. Subban, Ryan White, Ben Maxwell, Yannick Weber and Aaron Palushaj. Also on hand is Russian Alexander Avtsin, who played last season with Moscow Dynamo. He isn’t signed but Gauthier said Avtsin is interested in playing in North America and contract talks are under way.  

According to CapGeek, the Canadiens have $5.6 million available to sign Price and Lapierre.

Gauthier, in French, on CKAC …. and the kids: Lars Eller and Jarred Tinordi

 

 

630 Comments

  1. Former Jets Fan says:

    When you have a gander at NightRyder’s gruesome list of Habs 1st picks, and then consider that this off-season has seen PG turn a former 7th rounder and a former 9th rounder into 4 total assets, a 50th pick seems pretty doggone good (and maybe better than a top-30!)

  2. andrewberkshire says:

    Absolutely agree, although either AK or Pouliot’s impact could be lessened if Eller breaks out.

  3. andrewberkshire says:

    Oh, I don’t think Boyd’s signing had a conditional draft pick around it. I could be wrong though.

  4. rogus says:

    Or they don’t any Moore room!

  5. Former Jets Fan says:

    Based on the offer’s he’s refused, an offer sheet to Bobby Ryan would cost the Habs upwards of 2 1st rounders and a 2nd.  If you wanna pursue a RFA, I’d like to direct you to James Neal.  Dallas with its ownership issues has an internal cap of 41 million and would be in no position to match an offer of, say, two-thirds of what it would take to land Bobby Ryan, which would likely translate to a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd, at most.  And James Neal has more of that unteachable size.

  6. HabFab says:

    Sorry Andrew, was inquiring re the draft picks in the FC?

  7. Somethingwithhabsinit says:

    I thought that they could have made another playoff run this year, but not a cup-worthy team by any stretch. Instead of making the same mistake they made 2 years ago in trying to add a few complimentary pieces that still wouldn’t add up to a cup, management seems to be making moves to the future. Will they pay off? I don’t know.

    This isn’t about making excuses for management, it’s about seeing what’s happening. Does it seem to you like they are shooting for the Cup this year?

  8. andrewberkshire says:

    Brutal, you’d better have some nice drinks tonight!

  9. notbigbird says:

    Got home from work and ours is broken (Ottawa).

  10. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I gotta feel that Eller would be better served playing in Hamilton and coming up as an injury replacement. And Pacioretty would make a fairly lousy 13th forward (scratched most nights) – he too should be playing in Hamilton. That would necessitate 2 bargain FAs for the bottom 6. Maybe the return of Asham?

    I do wish Moore could have been retained – maybe he was looking for 2 yrs? You gotta think that any bottom 6 FA signed will be a 1 yr deal – especially when you see that after next season we’ll only have 2 Defencemen signed (Spacek and Subban).

     

  11. andrewberkshire says:

    I think all the things you’ve mentioned are near locks this season.

  12. andrewberkshire says:

    Steve, last year our top 6 to start the year had a rotating duo of D’agostini and Pacioretty. You really don’t see how there’s any improvement? Our bottom 2 centers are vast improvements over last season to start the year, our top 6 is better and the team is grittier. Subban makes the transition game much more effective and Gorges has become a much better player than I ever thought he would be. Couple with that the near impossibility of having that many injuries again and we have a much stronger team.

  13. joeybarrie says:

    Make sure we remember when we got Moore people were saying he wasnt worth a 2nd round draft choice and blah blah blah. When we brought up Darche we also said the cupboard was bare…

    Your right, it would be interesting. We will know based on what they sign and how quickly. Also it depends on alot of things. Sometimes it isnt working and you dont get your chances on the top lines. Look at Lats. 27 goals this season. I like the way PG is not messing around, he is going after what he wants. Hopefully he will make it work. So far im pretty happy.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  14. aemarchand11 says:

    See above, ignore them and they will go away.

  15. Max_a_million says:

    You might even get a couple if Carey gets 2 – 2.5 m, and Laps 1 .

    You are correct.  

  16. andrewberkshire says:

    Not at all, Boyd replaces Metro.

  17. rogus says:

    you say some pretty brazen stuff on here, but I have to agree with you here. Why was Pouliot given a raise, when he should have had a 2 way contract till (if) he got his head on straight? Could have signed Moore…

  18. 24 Cups says:

    jb – It would be interesting to know what Moore and Metro were demanding or asking for in terms of contracts.  Or even if they were contacted.  Boyd is the new kid in town so everyone is making him out to be a hero (just like we did with Moore).  I certainly want to see him develop in Montreal but you have to wonder why he has been moved to three teams in four months.

  19. 24 Cups says:

    Andrew – Outside of Subban, how is it better? If Eller can step in and play regular 3rd line minutes that certainly would be a plus.  Otherwise, it’s basically the same team with weaker goaltending.

    There’s theory and then there’s reality.  In theory, we will be better if some of our kids step up and mature.  Until that happens, we really can’t say we’re a lot better. 

  20. ds says:

    Bobby Ryan is exactly what MTL needs.  Hard nosed player who can score goals, has great speed, good size.  Give Anaheim AK, some defenseman (they lost neidermayer) and picks and grab his rights. 

  21. punkster says:

    Well, of course you’d know the difference Homer.

    FREE TIMO!

  22. NightRyder says:

    For me it’s not a maybe.

    Our first-rounder from 2006 should already be a solid contributor in our lineup, or at the very least ready to step in full-time this year).

    Just another wasted first-rounder in an endless list of wasted first-rounders. Getting a low second-round pick in return somehow doesn’t fill me with joy or hope for the future.

  23. ds says:

    Spacek & Hamrlik can’t lead the league in giveaways again.  I don’t get why MTL doesnt just flip the puck out to center instead of trying those weak shots around the boards.  I guess it’s LE SYSTEM!

  24. HabFab says:

    My thoughts exactly for all three.

    White didn’t look out of place last year and provides grit to the 4th line OR Engqvist makes the team and Eller goes to the wing.

  25. mrhabby says:

    maybe, depends, maybe, i dunno.

    good thing is mab is a goner that makes my hour.

  26. avatar_58 says:

    Could you guys please stop this? You are feeding the trolls and I’m tired of reading usernames every single post

  27. aemarchand11 says:

    No Doubt he will be a pretty decent D-Man for the Rangers. But I’ve never really been impressed with him or Fischer. Timmins is, but watching him in the world junious I wasnt really amazed by what he did. He seemed out of sync, but still ended up with a decent +/-. He will probably be a 3-4 Gorges (with more size) type player.

     

  28. aemarchand11 says:

    Pacioretty may stay in the minors, and if he does indeed get called up there will have to be someone sent back down. I think he needs to spend an entire season in the AHL to get his scoring touch with 1st line ice time anyway.

    1M for Lapierre – Seemed to wakeup in the playoffs

    2.5 for Price should be ballpark figures though.

  29. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I dunno, something tells me that Mtl is not done yet with the FA market. I would be extremely surprised if Price and Lapierre took up all their cap room.

    I think Gauthier is gonna be going bargain hunting come late August/early September for a bottom 6 player – and there actually are a surprisingly good number of them available this year (my choice would be Torres on a 1 yr deal)

  30. SlovakHab says:

    According to Jeff Marek (CBC Sports), the Rangers have signed McDonagh.

  31. aemarchand11 says:

    **Everybody**

    Olay Olay = Tony242.

    This time around lets ignore all of the annoyances that go along with his posts, he was already banned and had to create a new account on a different PC so lets just let the clown rant about the PG,BG Hostile Takeover and keep focusing on Hockey.

    Theres been some solid conversations being held here lately, its been good.

  32. joeybarrie says:

    Like Halak, Moore played himself out of Montreal. We couldn’t afford him. He deserves to get more based on his play and we didn’t want to give up 1.5 million for a 3rd – 4th liner. We needed him when we had the injuries, but we have acquired some young talent, and the market is saturated with guys like Moore.

    What do you mean burning bridges? We were clear with him that we knew what his demands were and we didn’t want to spend that. We want the guys to be able to go out and take the best contract offered to them in respect for what they did for us. Its a business. Better than stringing them along and dumping them when they have no offers left. Tanguay’s agent did that last season and screwed the pooch….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  33. Olay Olay says:

    its year SEVEN! and the failures are still steering the ship! not for much longer now. please, holdout price-  as long as you can!

  34. wotever says:

    It’s like jelly. 

    The primary difference
    between jam and jelly involves the
    contents. Jam is made
    from whole fruit, meaning every edible part of the fruit is involved,
    while jelly is made from fruit
    juices. Jam is a thick, chunky
    spread, while jelly is a
    thinner, more evenly-textured spread. Jams may include things like seeds
    and pieces of fruit skin which create a very distinctive texture,
    setting them apart from jellies. Because jam
    includes whole fruit, it tends to have more of the vitamins and minerals found
    in the parent fruit, and it is also usually only made with one type of
    fruit, whereas jellies may involve a blend of juices.  — http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-jam-and-jelly.htm

    I think it’s pretty clear we want jam and not jelly.

    Also, stay away from the HFCS.  (I’m looking at YOU, AK).

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  35. NightRyder says:

    I prefer to look at it not as gaining a second-rounder, but farking up a first-rounder.

    All kinds of draft picks from 2006 are now solid contributors across the league. (Claude Giroux was two picks behind Fischer, Milan Lucic in the second round, on and on).

    A second-rounder next year won’t potentiall play for years. That’s not a levelling out process in my mind, it’s a farkup.

    Half-full, half-empty…

  36. TripleX says:

    They have buses and roads in Nashville?  xD

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  37. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are improving. 2011 will be a break out year for the Habs.

    I am glad you showed up on these pages. You have given me new hope and a new sense of optimism. Since you came here it has become clear that we Habs fans are extremely lucky to have Bob Gainey as advisor.

    I bet I am not the only one here. Thank you Tony. Your negativity, because it is so outrageous has made better Habs fans out of all of us. We will always cheer for the Habs, win or lose.

    You however are a Halak fanboy. Go cheer for the Blues.

  38. Olay Olay says:

    you explain how a guy who scores 1 goal in his last 26 games gets shutout in the playoffs for a team with cap difficulties gets a 60% raise $500,000?

  39. joeybarrie says:

    2.1 million to Laps???? Thats way overpriced. 3.5 to Price, also way overpriced… 850k to 1 million to Laps. Price should get 2 million tops. Maybe a bonus contract and 3-5 years totaling 3 – 3.5 million tops.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  40. NightRyder says:

    We could win the Stanley Cup and half of us would be pissed about the parade route…

  41. Chorske says:

    I think we have a better idea of what this team can do, especially after the run. I’d like to see fewer shots against, and MUCH MUCH MUCH better puck clearing- we gave up possession in our own zone so many times last year, and it killed us, especially cos Cammy was one of the sloppiest at it. Overall I’d like to see better conditioning, fewer injuries, and a much stronger commitment from Price and Lapierre. And I’d like to see them display the team-first intensity that marked this team through the playoffs.

  42. HabFab says:

    What about Boyd? A throw in…

  43. derfab says:

    Good skater, smart, experienced hockey player (like metro) but there are a lot of decent kids around. If Moore had some extra toughness or better hands I’d agree with you. All in all, it seems he really was a rental.

    Avstin and Eller have wheels, size and small contracts to go with top 6 potential.

  44. mrhabby says:

    we lose a 2nd rounder we gain a 2nd rounder. there run of the mill kind of like buying a honda accord you can get them anywhere. who says boyd is not as good as moore and already the knives are out. i remember the nashville game where they smoked us last year. boyd played excellent. the only area that i would like some additions is more nastiness not enough with present squad.

  45. Olay Olay says:

    gauthier is just an employee like soon to be ex-employee boivin is and he will soon be the next change if the price situation blows up! about time for some good news!

  46. TripleX says:

    I see the apologists for management are hedging their bets and making excuses before the season even begins.  LOL

    I thought this team finally showed it’s true talent in the playoffs and the coming season would only cement their actually standing in the NHL.

    Now all of a sudden it is another REBUILDING season and we should not expect a repeat of last season’s playoff run.

    ROFL…you dudes are too much!

    Was last season a fluke or not?  You can’t have it both ways.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  47. HabFab says:

    CapGeek total showing $5,628,000 is for 11 F + 7 D + 1G. White ($850k) or Pacioretty ($875k) or whomever else makes the team have to be calculated along with Lapierre and Price. We then need some cushion for call ups so basically we have around $4,ooo,ooo for Lapierre and Price.

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    Anyway we don’t have $6M to pay him so it is moot.

     

  49. Mark C says:

    As an FYI: pretty sure the Fischer pick will be #50, as it is slotted.

  50. HabFanSince72 says:

    It certainly makes the trade look odd (although a 50th choice has less than a one in ten chance of making it to the NHL). I guess with Boyd signed they didn’t have room for Moore.

     

  51. Olay Olay says:

    he wont take $2 million now after what halak just got. the guy they didnt think was as good. this illustrates the sheer stupidity of gainey and gauthier by not signing one of them before empowering the other by trading the other one away. and i am sure molson sees it. not a doubt in my mind!

  52. mike g says:

    UM, hellooooooo…

    They still have JM, PG, BG, Gomez’s contract, Pleks’ playoff skirt, and any game that Price will get the loss in- to bitche about..

    There’s still a ton of crap to deal with, lol

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  53. SlovakHab says:

    The goaltending, AK and Pouliot will be the keys, IMO. The biggest question mark. At least 2 of the 4 players will have to exceed our expectations for the Habs to reach the playoffs.

  54. andrewberkshire says:

    This heat makes me wonder how anyone in Montreal could survive without A/C.

  55. Mark C says:

    Steve,

    I think Metro’s PP production can be replaced. It’s MAB’s PP production I’m more worried about (please, no one take this as he wants MAB back). Montreal’s PP has relied on having a hard off-hand shot playing the right D side for one timers (left hand D playing right side). The PP went from the 20’s to 10th in the league once Sheldon Souray came into his own in 2003-2004 and has largely been a top 10 PP since. Since 2003-2004 this role has been played by Mark Streit, and then the Alex Tanguay experiment failed, which led to the return of Mat Schneider who saved the PP with 10 PP points in 30 games. This was to be Spacek’s role coming into the year, yet he never really claimed it. 

    Is Spacek the answer or do the Habs change their PP look by having Subban take shots from the left side and moving Markov to the right side?

    Note – I am just thinking about the 1st unit here.

     

  56. andrewberkshire says:

    According to Bob McKenzie last week, if Sergei signed with them we got a 5th rounder, and if Ellis signed with us they got a 5th rounder.

  57. Olay Olay says:

    but this is not a pick acquired in trade? it is already to be slotted and was an original pick?

  58. HardHabits says:

    For every action there is an equal reaction. Hence the Tony effect.

  59. SeriousFan09 says:

    Depends if he misses any buses at training camp or does anything he is supposed to do.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  60. andrewberkshire says:

    Pretty much. Looking back on a blog I wrote last September about the lineup coming into the season, this year’s team looks so much better. Of course it remains to be seen if that’s true, but so far I’m really looking forward to next season.

  61. Chorske says:

    …and dare I mention the fact that the Habs seem to have been drafting / trading for size and grit? And JAM, whatever THAT is?

  62. TripleX says:

    Awesome deal for Nashville.  You can’t tell me SK is not worth the same amount as Pouliot got in a RAISE!

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  63. Olay Olay says:

    yes by not signing fisher

  64. SeriousFan09 says:

    I thought the deal was he didn’t sign and we got a draft pick in compensation.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  65. andrewberkshire says:

    Our 2nd round pick in 2011 belongs to Florida, traded for Dominic Moore. However we have a 2nd rounder from the Fischer ordeal, but for offer sheets it has to be our original pick.

  66. Chorske says:

    So a pick, plus Boyd. All in all a decent return on our favourite problem child.

  67. Olay Olay says:

    dont know about him. but for price it would be the first nail in the coffin for gauthier and gainey here.

  68. Chorske says:

    MAB gone. Sergei gone. One clear goalie. BGL gone. Space being made on the roster for kids. One by one, HIO bugaboos are being killed off.

    What in tarnation are we supposed to talk about now?

    Uh, how about this heat?

    I think it’s all a consipracy to cut into the HIO post count.

  69. andrewberkshire says:

    Nashville signs Sergei Kostitsyn, so we get a draft pick on compensation.

  70. TripleX says:

    Does anyone else think it strange that PG did not even want to negotiate with Moore?  He traded a damn 2nd round pick for the dude and now he is not even worth talking to?

    At least see what kind of deal he was looking for, maybe he could be fit into the cap?  I don’t like this trend of PG drawing a line in the sand and burning all his bridges.  Keep the lines of communication open as you never know how Plan A will go.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  71. SeriousFan09 says:

    Sergei Kostitsyn signs 1-year deal with NSH, 1-way, 550,000$.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  72. HabFanSince72 says:

    Do we have our 2nd choice next year? An offer sheet would require that we have it to give to the Ducks (along with a 1st and a 2nd).

    Also we would need to surpass the Ducks offer consdierably.

     

  73. naweed235 says:

    i’de give more like 1.0 M to Laps for 2 yrs and 2M to Price  for 2-3 yrs

  74. adam76 says:

    So sorry – I forgot how sensitive you pricebunnies are when anyone knocks “your boy”.

     

    GO HABS GO, 

     

    OLE OLE OLE OLE  

     

     

     

     

  75. HardHabits says:

    Adam its not you, it’s this retard Tony/Olay/Ian whatever. I for one have had it. If HIO cannot rid this site of this jerk I am leaving this site never to return. I wont even read these pages anymore. This message board sucks right now. Dissent and criticism is good. Tony242 and his new accounts Olay and Ian or whatever are a disgrace.

    I am a computer technician, web designer and server administrator. I could easily deal with this jerk and ban him for good.

    Please Boone. Make me a Mod and/or give me admin priviledges. I’ll send in my CV. I am a top notch computer expert. Believe me my abilities are top of the line.

    Think about. Hire me as a technical consultant. At the very least rid these pages of Olay/Tony or I am gone for good HH wont grace these pages if that idiot does.

    I am sure it was that retard that sent Chris the emails that pushed him over the edge.

    Do it Boone or I am gone. And believe me many more will follow.

  76. Mike from Ktown says:

    I have a feeling AK will have a bounce back year, it is a contract year.  If he is tearing it up, I would also not hesitate to trade him away to the west to get something in return.  I think he is the generic good season in a contract year / does not give a damn most of the time type of guy, but has tons of skill.  

    Moen slots in on the third line, just for the sake of how much we pay hiim. 

    Will Eller be defensively responsible enough to play third line center?  I am just wondering, it is  JM team.  

    I hope we can see a full season of play off Lappy

  77. andrewberkshire says:

    Tells you how much I think of Clay.

  78. adam76 says:

    Too long, not catchy enough.

     

     

  79. Shiloh says:

    That’s a heckuva lot of whining about other people’s whining. I guess you Price-boys are happy. It pissed you off to no end when he was totally outplayed. Your universe was screwed up. And now you want us all to be happy we traded away the #4 goalie in the league and signed a washup as backup so your saintly one can feel no pressure? Enjoy!

  80. ZepFan2 says:

    Now how does one debate that fact.

    You win!

     

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  81. crabvader says:

    You still don’t get that this has nothing to do with Price, do you?

    I feel really sorry for you.

  82. Olay Olay says:

    its his 2nd full year COMING up. they started last year with next to nothing as he started disposing of the team in the spring – gainey has been here 7 years! i dont care what any other gm does! i am talking of all the extremely stupid and bad moves these 2 jokes Tthese habs gms have done for 7 years now and counting. enuff is enuff. they fired gauthier in ottawa and in anaheim too. he is a joke so is his partner gainey since 2004 and the kovalev trade.

  83. zak says:

    So much for all our first round picks since timmons became head scout.Way-to-go scouting dept. you’re doing a great job.

  84. crabvader says:

    To be honest, Adam is floating in the same boat.

  85. adam76 says:

    It was a joke – I sure a few folks got a chuckle.  If not, I’ll sleep tonight.

  86. crabvader says:

    Shiloh, go hug your dog.

    You clearly don’t have enough brain cells capable of processing what my post is all about.

  87. adam76 says:

    HABZ RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  88. HabFanSince72 says:

    How is typing “Gainey and Gauthier are morons” any better?

    And in any case no one is typing GO HABS GO over and over.

     

  89. Olay Olay says:

    way! way! over your simple minded head!

  90. adam76 says:

    So you got called out for whining about whining, and you take a shot at HIS braincells?

    Logical

  91. crabvader says:

    Like you, all he does is complain about Halak leaving.

    Stop crying over spilled milk.

    The shot at his brain dysfunction comes because like you, he didn’t get the point of the post. It has nothing to do with goaltending. It has to do with crybabies like you pissing everyone off on this site.

  92. HabFab says:

    HH , if you do he claims victory.

    Realize it goes against your competitive nature BUT IGNORE him and you win, we win and HE LOSES.

    Peace out bro!!!!

  93. andrewberkshire says:

    This *** just got real, we can’t have HIO without HH.

  94. LA Loyalist says:

    I sincerely want to know what you guys think our plan is. Last sheer was sheer freaking panic. What are we doing now? Can you tell? As much as I hate the Leafs, I can tell you what Brian Burke is doing: getting more Canadian, changing the culture, kids… it may not work, but it’s comprehensible.

     

    What are we doing? Disgust among your selves.

  95. GrimJim says:

    Okay, I’ll play your game. How many picks have the Leafs missed on in the last seven years? 2011 traded for Kessel; 2010 traded for Kessel; 2009 Nadri Kazem; 2008 Luke Schenn, 2007 traded for Vesa Toskala (by the way that pick went to San Jose and then St Louis for … wait for it … Lars Eller!); 2006 Jiri Tlusty (passed over Claude Giroux, Semyon Varlamov); 2005 Tukka Rask (traded for Andrew Raycroft, now that’s a steal); 2004 Traded to NYR. That’s five times either the 1st round pick or the prospect has been traded. And in your opinion that is a better record than Montreal?

    As for Brian Burke, well in 2004 and 2005 he was working as a commentator and started with Anahiem for the 2006 draft. Who has he drafted since then? 2006 Mark Mitera, 2007 Logan McMillan (picked traded by Minnesota because Anaheim’s pick was … wait for it .. traded to Edmonton. Sound familiar?) 2008 Jake Gardiner (after trading Anaheim’s pick to Edmonton who took Jordan Eberle) and then he was with TO for 2009. Is that a great record, Tony? 

    “Punch Imlach would tell the press he was calling up someone from the minors who was going to take care of me. So I would skate by the Leafs bench and say “Who ya got for me today, Punch? Send him out.” – John Ferguson

  96. ZepFan2 says:

    I agree.

    He needs/craves the attention he gets by us replying to him.

    Don’t give him any.

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  97. adam76 says:

    You are embarrassing yourself.  I think its time to log off the interents for tonight – try again tomorrow.

    Simply put – if you can not handle someone with a different point of view, you just don’t have the stomach to post here.  Also, the Halak deal will be debated for YEARS – better get use to it.  Its only going to get worse – no matter how many “stop the madness” pleas you make.

     

     

  98. SeriousFan09 says:

    Okay, repeat after me.

    I will not respond to the troll infestation we currently have. I subscribe to the maxim of “I think, therefore I am” and since these trolls have no thoughts of their own, they do not in fact exist. Therefore if they do not exist, there is nothing to respond to.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  99. Habs4ever Fan says:

    You’re annoying. We all have the right to say what we want or whine what we want.

    With this said

    Price Sucks

    Bergeron Sucks but thank god no longer in a habs uniform

    Metro..rewarded like we rewarded Halak…..NOT

    JM…sucks and can’t build confidence in young players

    PG…so far the worst GM since Rejean trade for no reason Houle

    HIO Rules!

     

     

    We had a back up goaltender and his name was Carey Price

  100. crabvader says:

    Lol, exactly my point.

    Since when did one need the “stomach” to post here? Simply put, they didn’t.

    People like you are ruining the integrity of this site by incessantly trying to stir the pot with people who just are tired of listening to the same BS over and over.

    Do you understand that you are a broken record? You cry and cry and cry about things that won’t change.

    You want fairytales? Go watch Cinderella. Let the adults discuss hockey.

  101. Habs4ever Fan says:

    Go Habs Go

    Price is lousy Price is  lousy

  102. JIMVINNY says:

    Get a clue, you idiot.  What he posted has nothing to do with varying opinions – It has everything to with the ridiculous spam that some trolls feel the need to post every thirty seconds.  If you have a valid opinion that differs from someone elses, fine.  Those aren’t the problem.  Just quit with the pricebot/pricebunnies, tears over Halak, and all that crap.  we know how you feel, and that’s fine.  There’s no need to post it every time you refresh the page.

  103. Habs4ever Fan says:

    Yes Boone. HardHabits is a legend in his own mind. Make him a moderator

  104. HabFab says:

    Was checking the news and no mention of our escapees being caught? Have you heard anything down south?

  105. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Your crying is way more annoying than any of Tony’s posts.

  106. JIMVINNY says:

    Shiloh, you and I never get along regarding anything, and I even though I agree entirely with crabvader’s post, I sincerely doubt he was directing it at you.  Even though you whine about Price to no end, at least you are coherent when you post, and don’t feel the need to post the same thing every 30 seconds. 

     

    On another note, does getting so angry about the Price/Halak thing make you feel better about it?  And are you going to be able to get over it?

  107. crabvader says:

    Wow, are all the trolls on at the same time?

  108. adam76 says:

    I maybe an idiot  – but I know the definition of the word “spam” 

    Don;t like my posts – don;t read and don;t reply.  I have as much as a right to post as you.    You are whining over whining – sad you don;t see that circulatory cycle.

  109. JIMVINNY says:

    Clearly you don’t.  I disagree with everything you say, but most of what you post isn’t what I’d consider spam, at least not until this evening, and I don’t have a problem with most of what you post, again, until tonight.

  110. HabFab says:

    They are bored for anything Canadien and unfortunately are turning on each other in a feeding frenzy!

    In other words a typical HIO summer!

  111. Olay Olay says:

    thats you repeating over and over – yes you dont like my opinion of certain hockey people! too damn bad. i could not care less about your opinion on anything you left wing group think danger to free speech.

     

     

     

    Fan is short for fanatic

  112. crabvader says:

    Tony, if everyone here is so damn wrong and you are so damn right, how come you got banned twice already?

  113. HabFab says:

    Multiple penetrations??

    OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  114. adam76 says:

    deffinition of spam – Unsolicited e-mail, of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

     

    What exactly am I selling?  Pricebunny tee shirts?  

  115. adam76 says:

    and you whine about whining – yet don;t see the irony.

     

    Enjoy your “adult” hockey talk.

  116. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    looking at your posts shows that you are one of the biggest trolls and trouble makers on this site.  keep up the good work junior.

  117. Olay Olay says:

    Spam – your definition of course! but all you say is i dont like that opinion so he shouldnt post it. GO LIVE IN IRAN OR CUBA YOU BELONG THERE! May your baby be bullied bigtime in school!

     

     

     

    Fan is short for fanatic

  118. alestar says:

    I thought Moore was halfway decent and had hoped that he would be re-signed, but the signing of Boyd made him redundant.

    Metro was a great character and for that he’ll be missed, but as a hockey player easily replaced.

    MAB was just too much of a liabilty on defence and ineffective as a forward…he’ll catch on with another team as a PP specialist.

     

    XXIV…and counting

  119. Chris F says:

    Laps scored seven goals last year, he played well in the playoffs though, he actually played with an edge. In the regular season he figure skates around, no more than 1.25 million.

    Price just didn’t win any games to speak of last year. You have to get paid on Wins, not potential. He should get no more than 2.0 million, and only this much because Montreal has committed to him for the #1 job, mark my words, Alex Auld will have a great year. And he’s as big as price.

    Moore was excellent in the playoffs, and I mean excellent. Metro was great during the regular season, the guy scored 16 goals, not bad.

    I love that we’ve gotten younger though. I’m really interested to see Eller and Boyd, and to some extent Auld. I am also curious to see how Pacioretty responds to his challenge to make this team now, I would have thought he was going to be as good as Pouliot for sure, but, like Pouliot, he gets bumped off the puck by everyone. He is simply not heavy enough in the tough areas of the ice. If he can put on 15 pounds or so, he has excellent potential. But I guess you could say this about alot of players.

    I am happy for Halak, he simply has so much more personality than Price, or maybe he’s just more comfortable showing it. Price just seems too immature yet, he needs to open up, laugh a little.

    It’s too bad we couldn’t get Boucher to coach this team, I truly believe a young coach is needed to get this group going. We made it to the conference finals yes, but Halak was the main reason, not JM.

  120. dudurules says:

    baby tits signed 1yr 550k for nashville

  121. dudurules says:

    baby tits signed 1yr 550k for nashville

  122. Sportfan says:

    I understand why they wont re sign them want nrew young blood up and al that but i realy liked metro and Moore wish we had signed one or the other and Moor was amzing in our playoff push good luck you two !

  123. RetroMikey says:

    5.6 Million to split between Price and Lapierre?

    Both these players don’t deserve the big raise after lacklustre regular season performances.

    Yeah we know, float the regular season and here’s hoping our Habs do some magic like this past spring.

    Most players will not give 100%  during the regular season.  It means really nothing.

    I’ve noticed the playoffs are a totally diferent hockey game than the regular season, but I feel sorry for the regular season ticket holders or fnas coming to Montreal to see a regular season game.

    I would  trim  down the regular season down to 70 games and have a different playoff format.

    1st overall in points vs 16th overall in points, 2nd overall vs 15th overall, 3rd overall vs 14th overall, etc….

    East meets West in playoffs.

    One last question…..what are the plans for the team under Gauthier?  Another 6 years before we become a Cup contender?

     

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  124. Chris F says:

    David Fisher must be really terrible, he’s 6’4″ and 200 pounds with a right shot from the point. Man, and were just letting him go with no shot at even the AHL?

    I would love an explanation. Anyone see this guy play?

  125. HabFab says:

    That Magnificent Seven thing still happening,huh?

  126. petrov14 says:

    PREDATORS SIGN KOSTITSYN TO 1-YEAR, $550,000 CONTRACT

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  127. Jeff says:

    Another lost opportunity!

    If this is what Jaro’s worth, what is the Princess’ worth? 

    Oops! 

    Jaroslav Halak – the revered hero of Montreal’s unlikely playoff run — has agreed to a four-year, $15-million (U.S.) contract with the St. Louis Blues.

    The Blues acquired the restricted free agent goalie from Montreal last month in a trade that sent two prospects to the Canadiens. The 25-year-old became a restricted free agent on July 1.

    Halak led the Habs to the Eastern Conference final.

    In 101 career NHL games, he a 56-34-7 record with a .919 save percentage and 2.62 goals-against average.

  128. jimmy shaker says:

    NO MAB, say it ain’t so!!!!!!

    There goes my MAB fanclub!   Hopefully the boys will reconsider once Marky isn’t going to be ready come October.

    Shaker

  129. Jeff says:

    Good post Retro!

  130. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    But the bigger question is will the Laffs finish 29th or 30th this season?  and while we’re at it will the Laffs continue to have the highest paid/most defensively inept defense in the NHL?

  131. Olay Olay says:

    Well Mr. Hockey maybe just wants no part of gainey and gauthier? but dont worry instead habs get to replace that 2006 FIRST round pick like Giroux who could be playing now with a 2011 SECOND round pick who may be playing in the NHL by 2015. And the 2 bozos still have their job?

  132. Former Jets Fan says:

    I would hope Price and Lapierre split < 3.5million.  Leave a buffer for injury replacements and a bit of wiggle room for taking on salary in-season should that prove necessary or optimal.

    As for a shorter regular season, yes please.  But I’ll let you pitch the idea to the owners and the NHLPA, one of which will have to forfeit about 15% of their income/revenue, unless you want all the already suffering fans to pay 100$/ticket plus 15%.

    As for the revised playoff format, it’s a novel, seemingly “fairer” model, but impractical. There’s too much unpredictability in the travel schedule.  What if you’re San Jose and you end up playing Tampa, Boston and Ottawa to reach the Finals and what if you’re New Jersey and you get there by beating the Rangers, the Flyers and the Penguins?  What if the East ends up being terrible and only 5 teams make the playoffs and all these big media markets get left out and nobody watches on TV and revenues suffer and the cap has to stagnate or contract? 

  133. andrewberkshire says:

    Where exactly did you see the 5.6 million in cap space would be all spent on Price and Lapierre, Mike? The plan is to go into the season WITH cap space from what I can see, and work from there where we can actually make trades and take on extra salary through the year and improve the team, instead of maxing out early and being completely stuck.

  134. likehoy says:

    so i saw on a facebook ad that there are 101,000 TML fans…curiously i checked out how many fans the Montreal Canadiens would have…and they have 507, 000 fans. go figure.

    TML has trouble attracting fans that know how to use a computer.

  135. Dintrox says:

    Hockeynews and TSN reports Sergei K. signed for 550,000 with the preds.

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  136. ooder says:

    a leaf fan criticzing another team

    buddy, i would be much more worried about your leafs

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    88 is the new 23

  137. andrewberkshire says:

    Remember that time the Leafs had the worst group of forwards in the NHL but still managed to have the highest payroll in the league? Oh wait, that’s right now. I hope you enjoy making Boston a powerhouse with yet another lottery pick from your pathetic excuse for a team.

  138. Keith says:

    Very sad to see Metro and Moore go, solid citizens both were, but I understand the reality of today’s salary cap era and the importance of bringing in new (younger) blood. Hate that we wasted another 1st round pick though. We need to stop doing that.

     

  139. Chuck says:

    And don’t forget a second-rounder… and their goaltender…

    _____________________________________

    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  140. andrewberkshire says:

    You mean the team with the highest payroll in the NHL and ONE proven top 6 forward? Nah, they’re cup contenders.

  141. SeriousFan09 says:

    And at the Leafs current rate of acquiring Top-6 forwards, they’ll have a full group of them in 2015 provided none of them leave.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  142. HabFab says:

    I come to check the “intelligence quota”….. pretty low lately.

  143. hockeycoach says:

    Okay, Metro I understand, Mara as well, but (sadly) Gauthier HAS to let go of MAB and Moore because Bob Gainey doesn’t know how to budget properly. Moore should just grab 750K. But I can’t believe that Gauthier will waste $5.6M on Lapierre and Price. Moore brings more to the table than Lapierre does, and no way is Price worth more than $2M, if that! Furthermore, what a shame that the best 5 Bulldogs aren’t at camp now. Goal scoring threats such as Trotter and Desharnais should be in the starting line-up in October, as should Mike Glumac. On D, they resign some totally unknown but not using Shawn Belle and Mathieu Carle to replace Hamrlik and Spacek, … what a mess. I can’t wait for Geoff Molson to have full control, so he can clean house from top to bottom. What a mess!

  144. crabvader says:

    Would Kovalchuk make up his damned mind already?

    He’s clogging up free agency.

  145. GuyDoon says:

    About letting go of Moore, MAB, Metro, and Mara:

     

    Two years ago, it was the players with K that where dispatched. This is the year of the M’s.

     

    I think part of the reason for letting go of these UFAs has to do with the number of contracts we have. Remember, we can only have 50:

    19 NHL contracts (including PK and Eller)

    18 non-NHL contracts (AHL team)

    7 RFAs (including Price and Lapierre and excluding Stewart which the Habs are not bringing back)

    7 UFAs (after letting go of the above M’s)

     

    That’s 52 contracts. I’m guessing all the RFAs will be resigned. The remaining UFAs are: Mikael Johanssen, Shawn Belle, Mike Glumac, Michael Busto, Andre Benoit, and Alex Henry. The Habs will have to loose at least two.

     

    I was very happy with Moore. He’s the only one I have regrets about loosing.

  146. ooder says:

    don’t forget colby armstrong!

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    88 is the new 23

  147. slapshot777 says:

    Exacly. Good post Andrew.

     

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  148. andrewberkshire says:

    Chuck, are you suggesting that 7 million per season is too much to pay a goalie who got 10 wins and had a .907 save % last season?

  149. SeriousFan09 says:

    He had fewer hits than the Canadiens had points this season, LOL. Where this gritty warrior stuff comes from I have no idea.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  150. andrewberkshire says:

    Oh yeah! That guy with almost the same numbers as Dustin Boyd, but he’s paid 4.6 times more!

  151. likehoy says:

    he’s waiting for lebron james to sign.

  152. andrewberkshire says:

    Thanks Carl.

  153. Olay Olay says:

    habs will be looking up at them in the standings! this year! worry about how gauthier and gainey will finish the job of ruining this team.

  154. ooder says:

    well he did hit MAB that one time

    and then 2 years before that he hit koivu, never mind that Souray made him his ragdoll after that

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    88 is the new 23

  155. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not to mention, we have contracts to consider for the 11-12 season, including a raise for Gorges, a contract extension for Markov, potential raises for AK, Pouliot, OB, Boyd and Pyatt as RFAs

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  156. Harani says:

    I’m happy with Gauthier’s decision. Potential lines for next season: 

    Pouliot – Gomez – Gionta 

    Cammi – Pleky – Lostitsyn 

    Pyatt – Eller (?)  – Lappy 

    Moen – – Boyd – Darche 

     

    Markov – P.K 

    Hammr – Spatch 

    Gill – Gorges – O’Byrne

     

    Price 

    Auld

     

    Overall, I like it! What do you guys think of our 2010-2011 Habs?

    P.S. When I was typing Kostisyn, by mistake, I type LOSTITSYN, I’m nicknaming him that from today. 

  157. ooder says:

    but he hits..and he’s canadian… and he has a big nose.. and truculence

    btw though, what did you meanwhen you said the leafs have the highest payroll? as in they are closest to the cap?

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    88 is the new 23

  158. Clay4bc says:

    Somehow the purge of the L’s was averted…maybe they got overlooked because Lats was traded?

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  159. Chuck says:

    Sure, it’s a lot of money… but he’s one hell of a backup!

    _____________________________________

    Cheer for the crest on the front of the jersey, not the name on the back.

  160. habsfansince91 says:

    anyone have video from today’s development camp?

  161. crabvader says:

    It’s strange that a Leafs fan such as yourself stumbled upon a Habs site.

    We don’t like your kind around here. =)

  162. ooder says:

    wern’t they supposed to be doing that last year? and the year before that?

    man you must really hate Gainey and PG for ruining your predictions and making a team that went all the way to the ECF

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    88 is the new 23

  163. Clay4bc says:

    So we have $5.6 million left to sign Price and Lats? That means we could have easily afforded Halak. Not a good move…Price’s “upside” (I get a kick out of that phrase) notwithstanding, his upside was only to be potentially as good as Halak is right now. Why trade a sure thing for “potential upside”?

    Also, we could have used Moore…I liked what he brought to the table.

    Pricebots, ATTACK!

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  164. crabvader says:

    Lostitsyn, I like it!

    I’ve been calling him Bustitsyn.

  165. Olay Olay says:

    I had thought that the Halak trade would bring the end of this management regime this

    season as soon as Price again stumbles BUT it may happen now this summer if Price

    stands firm and wants the type of money he deserves as the GMs told him and the media

    by their actions that he has the better future than Halak and if someone else puts in an

    offer for him at even $2.6 million all it would cost them is a 2nd round pick. But why

    should Price and his family not think with the pressure he knows he’ll be under this fall

    in Montreal he deserves at least as much as Halak got. Do you think Molsons isn’t

    thinking right now(maybe even before giving Boivin notice) – “why didnt you at least sign

    one of them before you traded the other away?”

    The incompetants Gauthier, Gainey and Brisebois should have signed one or the other

    BEFORE trading the other away. This Price situation now can now bring down the entire

    management.

    Price won’t take $2 million now after what Halak just got. The guy they didnt think was

    as good. This illustrates the sheer stupidity of Gainey and Gauthier by not signing one of

    them before empowering the other by trading the other one away. And I am sure Molson

    sees it. Not a doubt in my mind!

  166. SeriousFan09 says:

    Armstrong was 8th in hits on Atlanta this year, Evander Kane, our favourite teenage pugilist for knocking Matt Cooke down a peg missed 16 games and outhit him, Jim Slater did the same while missing 21 games, Eric Boulton missed 20 and outdid him as well.

    What a joke of a signing.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  167. crabvader says:

    “Pricebots”?

    You clearly have too much time on your hands.

  168. Shiloh says:

    She’s a beauty – huge Habs fan.

  169. ooder says:

    3.5 million for a third liner (although i fully expect him on the first line since he is in Toronto after all) is pretty funny

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    88 is the new 23

  170. adam76 says:

    I like pricebunnies better.

  171. crabvader says:

    You’re taking up valuable space on this message board.

  172. Clay4bc says:

    Sick-‘em, Pricebots!

    Jeff, 100% agree.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  173. crabvader says:

    So let’s say CP plays an all-star quality game this coming year, will YOU be the one hiding in the rabbit hole?

  174. adam76 says:

    Logical – as most can’t read.

  175. crabvader says:

    It “100% agrees” with a Leafs fan, go figure!

  176. Clay4bc says:

    I stand corrected…thank you, Adam!

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  177. adam76 says:

    If Price posts a record of 26 – 12, I will be man enough to admit I was wrong,

     

    He won’t.

  178. HabFab says:

    Fallacy of the $5.6 million.

    CapGeek total showing $5,628,000 is for 11 F + 7 D + 1G. White ($850k)
    or Pacioretty ($875k) or whomever else makes the team have to be
    calculated along with Lapierre and Price. We then need some cushion for
    call ups so basically we have around $4,ooo,ooo for Lapierre and
    Price.

  179. Olay Olay says:

    @clay — told you!

  180. HabFanSince72 says:

    HA HA.

    We’re up against the cap.

    We’re going to have to let  Olay Olay go.

     

  181. crabvader says:

    Alright, at least you’ll admit it.

    I can’t see why you would be so obsessed with being against a 22-year old playing for the team you love.

    Give him a chance. Let a few games go by before crapping all over him. Heaven forbid you be in between the pipes…

  182. ooder says:

    habs will be looking up at them in the standings! this year! worry about how gauthier and gainey will finish the job of ruining this team.


    ooder's picture

    wern’t they supposed to be doing that last year? and the year before that?

    man you must really hate Gainey and PG for ruining your predictions and making a team that went all the way to the ECF

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    88 is the new 23

  183. SeriousFan09 says:

    Funny story, Halak would have eaten up 3.75 or more in cap space because of tax issues here in Montreal, let’s say 4 million per year conservatively. Suddenly we’re down to 1.6 million to get Lapiere under contract, say Lapierre costs 900k, that’s 700k of cap space, bring up one cheap forward from Hamilton and our cap space is literally gone.

    At this point, we have 12 forwards, 7 defencemen and 2 goalies. Than say 3 guys sustain a week-long injury or so, perhaps Cammalleri has really bad flu he has to stay away from the team, Travis Moen has bruised ribs and Josh Gorges gets cut by a flying skate.

    No cap space, we’re dressing 15 players for games we will lose.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  184. ZepFan2 says:

    I don’t know, maybe the same amount as Fleury needed?!

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  185. andrewberkshire says:

    One of the best backups in… the Northwest division…

  186. Clay4bc says:

    Just one game? I hope he can put together a whole season.

    And, if he does, I will be extatic as a fan of this team.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  187. andrewberkshire says:

    According to Capgeek, Toronto’s payroll next season is $61,279,167. Massive for the bunch of bums they employ.

  188. HabFanSince72 says:

    We could have afforded Halak, but Halak didn’t want to stay if Price stayed.

     

  189. crabvader says:

    Leafsnation wants it’s favorite poster back. Shoo!

  190. volcano62 says:

    I agree with everything in this post. The Halak trade keeps getting worse over time :(

     

    Go Habs Go!

  191. Olay Olay says:

    Halak got $3.7 what if someone offers Price $3.5? I think what happens the whole front office is fired!

  192. HabFanSince72 says:

    Two years ago, it was the players with K that where
    dispatched. This is the year of the M’s.

    And during the season it was Latendresse. They’re doing it alphabetically.

  193. crabvader says:

    Clay, seriously, if I said “Mike Richards plays a physical game” you would say 1 game?

    Get a clue, please.

  194. HabFab says:

    Dave Stubbs

    Some confusion re the Development Camp. Everyone keeps mentioning 22 prospects (except Hickey) but I count 23 on the list. Did someone not show?

  195. volcano62 says:

    Price has had 3 seasons to prove himself. How many chances do you want to give the guy? WOW some posters here amaze me. Go Habs Go!

  196. crabvader says:

    Unlike letting Metro and Moore go, this move is a no-brainer! Good call 72. :P

  197. adam76 says:

    I can’t see why the pricebunnies are so sure this kid can bounce back for an embarrassing 2010.  Is it because he has dreamy eyes?

    I have issues with goalies who go 4 – 11 in a push for the playoffs while the counterpart saves our bacon (with the same group of players on the ice).  

    I am overweight, smoke players light and drink too much rye – oh wait, maybe I COULD play?

     

     

  198. crabvader says:

    WOW! So he isn’t Patrick Roy? Guess what, THOUSANDS of other goaltenders aren’t.

    When was the last time you saw an 18 year old goaltender carry his team on his back for years to come?

    Exactly.

    Price needs to develop and he was clearly rushed into his job.

    He’s 22. Where the hell was Ryan Miller @ 22? How about Ilya Bryzgalov? Better yet, where was Halak at 22?

    Please, find a counter-argument.

  199. HardHabits says:

    How much will you be willing to bet on that? I will bet any amount of money that if Price gets an offer sheet and signs elsewhere that Gainey will not get fired.

    BTW Boivin did not get fired. He will still be on the Board of Governors.

    And its spelled “incompetent”

    Fuckin’ idiot!!

  200. crabvader says:

    The only times Price played during that so-called “push” was when Halak had an off-game the match before.

    Basically it was up to Price and Price alone to turn the team’s fortunes around. At some point, the players have to respond.

    Look at Philly and Chicago. Their goaltenders suck and those teams played well.

    I guess hockey depends on more than simply a goaltender.

  201. Olay Olay says:

    wern’t they supposed to be doing that last year? and the year before that?

    no, they were terrible for a few years, last year was burkes first year and he immediately started dismantling them and started from scratch and no one thought theyd be anywhere last year. but now its the 2nd year and hes added some nice parts kessell -yeah i know what he gave up but these goofs here themselves threw away 3 #1s- hainsey on a blunder, #1 fortanguay plus a #2 and a wasted #1 on fisher. kessell missed 2 months still scoed 30 goals, phaneuf armstrong, they will beat the habs this year as much as i hate to say it. i disliked them for longer than you even followed hockey.——————-

    man you must really hate Gainey and PG for ruining your predictions and making a team that went all the way to the ECF—————only thing i hate is that they are in those positions. halak made the team an 88 point team and took them as far as they went.

  202. subdoxastic says:

    Re: Halak as a “sure thing”

     

    Um, let’s wait till next season before we crown Halak. If he performs at the same level as the first two playoff series of this post season, then Habs fan everywhere can begin the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

     

  203. sprague cleghorn says:

    “Well Mr. Hockey maybe just wants no part of gainey and gauthier?”

    I believe this is what psychiatrists call projecting.

  204. adam76 says:

    Halak has out preformed Price in every SINGLE category – Halak in the Washington series LOOKED like Patrick Roy.  You have to understand why the majority of people are not excited about giving the throubread a 4th season to prove his worth.  

     

  205. ShangaDoo says:

    Aww, i didn’t want to lose Metro.

    One of my favs.

    We could’ve signed him pretty cheap no?

    I’d rather Metro than Darche..

  206. HardHabits says:

    If Price posts a 12-26 record I will be man enough to be happy with the lottery pick. Enough of the always blowing the load on this year. Habs are rebuilding and building well. It’ll take time. There might even be a few tanks involved. That’s what really scares a Leaf fan like Tony. That if (or when) the Habs finish 2nd to lasat that they’ll keep their 2nd round pick and not ssee it go to Boston.

    I hope Bob Gainey stays another 3 years with the Habs if only to piss of Tony even more. I never loved Gainey so much. Tony you have made me the happiest Habs fan ever.

    Go Habs go!!!

  207. Olay Olay says:

    and just who of gainey, gauthier and brisebois put them there?

  208. andrewberkshire says:

    Clay’s mind imploded when Halak was traded. All he comes here to do is bait people into responding to him by posting stupid comments, then saying AH HA! I knew you’d respond because you’re a Pricebot!

    It’s like slapping a stranger across the face and calling them a ***hole for hitting you back. It’s immature, to the point where Tony242/Olay Olay brings more intelligent conversation to HIO.

  209. adam76 says:

    4 – 11 – that means he got 15 starts in 2010.  Every time he was given the “ball”, he failed.

     

    70% of hockey is goaltending.  100% if you don’t have it.

     

    Price does have much better hair – that is one thing I won;t take away from the pricebunnies.

  210. HardHabits says:

    Most Habs fans haven’t a clue about anything. Mention Hamilton or the names of any prospect and most so-called Habs fans just stare off into space clueless.

    People like Tony moan and groan about how the Habs were an 88 point team but fail to admit that standing pat would’ve kept them there. Now they traded their crutch goaltender and will have to learn how to play hockey.

  211. Harani says:

    Too many centres from the third and fourth lines. We already have Eller, Lappy, Boyd and Pyatt. 

    “I gotta feeling…that tonight’s gonna be a good night!”

  212. Olay Olay says:

    yes give pouliot a 62% raise for 1 goal in his last 26 games and none in the playoffs. no money for moore but also sign darche——-are these 2 gms for real? cmon carey HOLDOUT and finish them off!

  213. JIMVINNY says:

    You should know that agreeing “with everything in this post”, when the post in question was made by Tony242, I mean Olay Olay, is not exactly conducive to building credibility.  It, fact, it kills any you may have ever had.

  214. ooder says:

    last year Burke said the leafs would compete in the playoffs… THEY FINISHED 2ND TO LAST IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE AND DIDN’T EVEN HAVE A PICK IN THE FIRST ROUND

    if gainey or pg did that you would be howling here non stop, but since it’s Brian Burke and not the habs it’s ok right?

    you give him credit and say how he is building towards the future, while the habs got the ECF and you want the entire administration fired.

    you make absolutly 0 sense

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  215. HardHabits says:

    I called him that since last year’s against Buffalo pre-season game. I was at the game. I came back here and said A Kost was A Lost.

  216. adam76 says:

    so can we all agree to replce the term “pricebots” with “pricebunnies”?  I feel it fits better.

     

     

  217. crabvader says:

    Can some of you (you know who you are) explain to me what your angle is trying to annoy everyone on HI/O by repeating the same crap over and over again?

    I don’t want to hear this troll, yatty yatty yatta crap. I want to hear from these gems what their excuses are.

    Are you anti-social? Were you deprived of human interaction as a child?

    What’s your angles, guys? Are you Leafs fans? 

    I don’t know how many times I’ve seen the same post spewed all over this site all day, every day for the past 2 weeks.

    Price this, Price that… Halak Halak Halak, wah wah wah.

    PG sucks, JM sucks, everyone sucks.

    OKAY! WE KNOW YOU DON’T LIKE ANY OF THEM!

    What’s the point of repeating it 60,000 times?! I don’t sit here and repeat how I love that we got Lars Eller. It doesn’t make sense. I say that I’m happy about it once and discuss, not argue, why I do with fellow posters.

    You guys, on the other hand, call everyone idiots the second they disagree with you and rant about how you hate this organization for the rest of the day.

    Get over yourselves. No one cares that much about your opinion. The only reason they respond to you is because you are drowning out all the intellegent and progressive posts on this site.

    It’s annoying. Not responding to you clearly doesn’t work because you just don’t stop posting and posting and posting. Just shut up.

  218. JIMVINNY says:

    I think this was one of those times where the team has decided to just move on.  He was great while he was here, played very well for us, but he’s getting on in years, and what you see is what you get with him.  Small, not very physical, and not quick enough for PK duty.  A young guy like Boyd has a much better chance of contributing in more areas, and is bigger and faster to boot.

  219. Chuck says:

    $5.6 million – $3.75 million (what Halak signed for) = $1.85 million.

    How could you sign Price and Lapierre (and leave a little in the bank for callups, etc.) for $1.85 million?

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  220. crabvader says:

    Patrick Roy didn’t go 9-9 and didn’t get pulled 3-4 times during the playoffs. 

     

  221. adam76 says:

    Metro was the leader in PP goals – wow, this team really does not reward results.  

  222. JIMVINNY says:

    So what do you and your crew want to be called?  Stick-in-the-mud-whiners-who-can’t-stop-crying-themselves-to-sleep-since-Halak-was-traded?  Sorry.  Even though it’s completely accurate, you all just don’t bother me enough to type that every time.

  223. ooder says:

    this site used to be pretty fun.. now there are a bunch of lame ass posters here

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  224. adam76 says:

    You are so right – lets just all type GO HABS GO over and over.  How dare we debate on an Internet Message board?

  225. SeriousFan09 says:

    Training camp and pre-season kicks in, we can get back to the proper stuff but this summer is going to have more Trolls than a LOTR marathon it seems.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  226. crabvader says:

    It would seem that way, but they just seem in larger numbers because it’s the off-season.

    A lot of logical posters are doing the smart thing and taking a vacation. :P

  227. volcano62 says:

    I don’t care about “tony” or “olay olay”. But this post has some very factual points. And you are no one to judge my credibility as you don’t even know me. I may be a hockey encyclopedia or I may just be blowing smoke outta my ass…..

    Go Habs Go!

  228. megagoten says:

    whiners gonna whine

    appearently they don’t grow up either

  229. andrewberkshire says:

    Every time? So then he went 0-15 and not 4-11 then? And in every loss he was 100% to blame? I guess we were right to boot Halak then, because by that logic the Flyers series was an epic failure on his part.

  230. HabFab says:

    Your making way too much sense!!

  231. crabvader says:

    Wow, you really are dense. Read the post over again and try to process what the subject of the matter is.

    REPETITION & PURPOSELY PISSING PEOPLE OFF.

    Everyone is allowed to an opinion.

    My point is that it’s getting out of hand when people such as yourself bitch about the same things over and over again.

    Change the record, ffs!

  232. Olay Olay says:

    boivin got one years notice of his dismissal. he after that will not collect the presidents salary. molson is now his “assistant”! havent we just heard that happen before? molson will be assisting him making decisions. yes they put him on the board. but he no longer will have that job and even now molson obviously is president. as for if an offer comes in? dont know? but if one team does yes the entire bunch will be replaced. already price has power. before they could have told him we’ll offer you x amount of dollars over x years and we’ll make you are #1 and trade halak. he might have listened to such an offer then. now no way – he will cost them only the maximum amount they could have got away with. and if an offer comes in- even more. the lot will be fired. molson is a sharp businessman you think he doesnt know how poorly they drafted and/or traded picks away, finished 19th overall, know how much halak carried the playoff run? this price situation hopefully will bring that clique down.

  233. ZepFan2 says:

    Not in game 2 of that series did he look like Roy. More like Racicot.

    How about that beauty of play with Halak mishandling the puck and slamming into Hamrlik leading to an easy goal by Carter. Beauty, eh.

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  234. crabvader says:

    Andrew, you are giving too much credit to Tony.

     

  235. ZepFan2 says:

    “so can we all agree to replce the term “pricebots” with “pricebunnies”?
     I feel it fits better.”

    Good debating skills there, I must say.

     

    Hey xxx, THAT’S sarcasm!

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  236. SeriousFan09 says:

    Clay would like to boot Price out, leaving 1.85 for Laps and if he signs for 850k perhaps, than we have 1 million left for a 13th forward to be called up, that has us anywhere between 100k and 400k left for cap space for the season to handle injuries. It would appear that Clay’s been enjoying the local product in BC a bit too much.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  237. Clay4bc says:

    To paraphrase a very recent PG quote…”Cap space can be created if we need it”

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  238. andrewberkshire says:

    Gionta had just as many in 8 fewer games, and Metro is too old to commit a roster spot to at this point. We have younger players who can do the job just as well or better.

  239. D Alcorn says:

    Question about re-negotiated contracts.

    Hypothetically Speaking : player X is in the middle of a 5-year contract that pays him $5M+ per year.  For whatever reason(s), this no longer works for his current team, so he is put on waivers and clears.  His team looks at other options and tells him / his agent they are considering sending him to the AHL (if this is indeed an option).  Financially, this changes nothing for him because he is on a one-way, but he really wants to stay in the NHL.

    The Question is this : can player X offer to re-negotiate his contract into (a) less $ and / or (b) shortened term in an attempt to ‘ improve ‘ his situation in the eyes of his current (or any other) NHL club, or does the CBA (or who-knows-what) prevent something like this from happening ?  NB : it’s understood that human nature dictates that everyone wants as much $ as they can get (eg : Kovalchuk), but it is also possible that money is not necessarily everything for every NHLer, especially those who have already earned & planned well for the future.  Thanks -

    ALWAYS Habs –
    Dave Mex

  240. Mr. Biter says:

    Totally agree, a wasted $500,000. which could have gone to Moore. His salary last year $1,100,000 and he would have stayed at that or prehaps less. Last year we tried some of the younger players from the Dogs and they didn’t pan out. If they don’t this year his loss will be felt even greater

  241. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Crosby could have got ten million no prob.  He took less so they could have more money to build the team into a cup winner. 

  242. SeriousFan09 says:

    So he verry unselfishly took 8.7 million instead, that 1.3 million is really making the difference in bringing top-talent wingers.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  243. sidhu says:

    Hockeysfuture.com generally is a good site, but I’m wondering how reliable it is when it still lists David Fischer as our #10 prospect:

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/montreal_canadiens

    Is this indicative of a poor site, or poor drafting?

  244. D Alcorn says:

    Understood, but this does not address the ‘ re-negotiation ‘ issue.

    Instead of ‘ player X ‘, try inserting the names Souray or Hamrlik – same question.

    ALWAYS Habs –
    Dave Mex

  245. SeriousFan09 says:

    Just bad ranking, look at the names who come after him, some of them are AHL and Avtsin is our 2nd-best winger prospect after Kristo.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  246. SLONCOLD says:

    uhm give the site 24 hours to react to the news before we say a poor site…. as for the drafting, i guess that wasn’t the best pick, but it happens guys like pleks were foudn in the 3rd round, so i suppose it balances out sometimes….

  247. ThirtyThree says:

    Too bad Moore is gone. Damn, damn, damn. He got some clutch goals in the playoffs and appeared to be an all-around good fit. A casualty of the cap. On the plus side, looks like Lapierre will stick around.

  248. warriorhockey says:

    and what about andreas ???

  249. megagoten says:

    i’d like to see you give up 1.3M$

  250. warriorhockey says:

    and what about andreas ???

  251. The Teacher says:

    no renegotiation of contracts in the new NHL…period…

  252. SLONCOLD says:

    Guys like moore can be replaced. he played well here but he is a depth player on just about every team. He’s teh type of player you should be able to replace with your farm system

  253. habs001 says:

    after markov and pk…i dont think any of the other d man can produce on the pp unless spacek bounces back..so hopefully martin will try a forward or two to play point on the pp…last year because of injuries to the d and martin not trying a forward on the point he kept putting gorges out on the pp with hardly any results game after game

  254. D Alcorn says:

    That’s what I wanted to know – thanks.

    ALWAYS Habs –
    Dave Mex

  255. warriorhockey says:

    exactly only 14 points why do we want him ????

  256. SeriousFan09 says:

    You think Crosby doesn’t make that up with his endorsements each year? Kovalchuk is doing what every elite player does in the NHL, go looking for the best offer on the table.

    19 of the 25 highest-paid players this year were born on the continent.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  257. habs001 says:

    camm was on a 52 goal season pace in the playoffs ..gion on a 35 goal pace..gomez at 60 points and plecks at 40 points…..unless we get other players to step up it will not be an easy season….we need about 35 goals just to replace metro,moore,mab,sk74 totals

  258. SLONCOLD says:

    lol well, he’s not a 40 goal scorer or something. he’s a solid player and does all the little things right but if your farm can’t replace guys like more, you’re in trouble….

  259. sprague cleghorn says:

    I hear Andreas Dackell is available.

  260. Muckbringer says:

    its carey, hes not stuck on facts

  261. Muckbringer says:

    just watch it

     

  262. Muckbringer says:

    i hate this…drop the puck already!!!!

  263. ed lopaz says:

    pouliot was eligible for arbitration and he lit it up when he first came over here. his numbers would have probably allowed him to win that raise in arbitration any way.

    also, PG is a professional PR man – the “optics” of not having a spot open  for Eller are terrible.

    Eller is on this team, and he has taken Moore’s # 3 center spot.

    Eller’s salary is like 1.3 million – the guy does not play at 500,000 minimum just cuz he’s got 7 games of

    NHL experience.

    interesting irony that we (PG and Thimmens) took Mcdonough # 12 in 2007.

    who went # 13 in 2007 – yup – Lars Eller.

    I remember that draft, and many people had Mcdonough around 20 or so.

    Eller was probably PG’s pick, and he was over ruled by Thimmens.

    Just a theory; but it seems that PG had targetted Eller in the trade.

  264. Muckbringer says:

    anyone here miss the canada cup in august?

  265. TripleX says:

     

    Well I guess the Habs are in trouble because no one from Hamilton could do it last season so PG used a 2nd round pick for a rental.

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  266. Muckbringer says:

    i heard morenze took some zombie juice before he died, its on utube

  267. TripleX says:

    Maybe PG should have considered the cap when he gave Pouliot an unjustified 500,000 dollar raise.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  268. G-Man says:

    Ottawa wasted $5mil on him last season. Why not let the past be the past- he played selfish hockey and now he’s gone. Good riddance. Habs need players who can skate, pass the puck and finish; not an old dangler that loses the puck more often than not.

  269. SLONCOLD says:

    ya kinda….

  270. SLONCOLD says:

    as in kovalev? or kovalchuk? kovalev is done, getting older and acl injuries are hard to recover from let alone when you’re older.

    and kovalchuk? well he’s an idiot if he turned down a 100M deal over 10 years lol.

  271. ed lopaz says:

    agree on the “rental’, and you have to ask yourself why would he do that?

    when we got moore at the trade deadline, were the Habs a team that was going to scare anyone in the playoffs?

    nope.

    he used the 2nd round pick to get Moore, just to help the Habs get into the playoffs.

    people on this site tend to forget that we were 1 game away from not making the playoffs.

     

  272. punkster says:

    Hey TX…Just saw your response to my “maybe he’s building a dynasty” comment earlier. Half serious about that. It was a counter to your opinion that he may not have a plan. In fact I doubt he would be thinking “dynasty” in the old Habs/Wings etc sense of the word because as you infer that’s a pretty tall order in a Cap world. More like he may (and I stress MAY) simply be thinking he wants to have a competitive team now, not a Cup winner mind you but not a bottom dweller either, and wants the capability of building a stronger team going forward. The end objective should be a Cup (or 3…haha) by continuing to build a profitable organization and a successful team and not by tanking or trying to pull an end run, one shot winner.

    FREE TIMO!

  273. SLONCOLD says:

    yikes 40 goal scorer…. little bit of a stretch there. no way he’s a 30 goal scorer if he plays on the 3rd/4th line for like 5 minutes a game. my fear with puoliot is they might try to change him into this power forward. he has never really been a basher in the corner. i hope they work with his current skill set and commit to keeping him on that top lines for a bit.

  274. SeriousFan09 says:

    He was scoring on a pretty high clip when he arrived by simply playing the front of the net, he has the size, speed and hands to effectively attack the net. I don’t expect him to be a hitting machine and a maniac in the corners but his role on Gionta and Gomez’s line created an excellent combination of ability.

    See what we get of course, potential 40 goals is entirely dependent on his conditioning and commitment to play.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  275. habs001 says:

    we need pouliot to produce….would have been interesting what the arbitrator would have given him based on a 30 game hot streak followed by one goal in his last 32 games

  276. ed lopaz says:

    well that’s an excellent point you’re making when you say….commit to keeping him on that top lines for a bit.

    because Martin is THE WORST coach I have seen when it comes to nurturing confidence in young players,

    and “keeping pouliot on that top line” is what will be required to build his confidence.

    you have more insight into the psychology of building a young players’ confidence than our dinosaur coach.

     

     

  277. Shiloh says:

    Jim Vinny suggested I give my dog a hug. She’s a huge Habs fan and gets some nice rubs and scratches every day. This Fall I think she will cheer for the Great Dane we acquired from St. Louis.

  278. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    According to reports Kovulchuk will be taking less to sign with New Jersey.  If he was just looking for the best offer on the table as you say he would have signed with Atlanta or the Islanders no?

  279. SLONCOLD says:

    we’ll see what happens, i’ll settle for a 20 goal season from him in all honesty. however, it should be noted that maybe he’ll never regain that form he had in his hot streak; similar to the arguement( not by you) that halak can never reproduce the magic he created this year.

    i really hope he bounces back though, something tells me he might have been banged up by the end of teh year. usually when a player is off, it’s one thing here or there but nothing was working for him at the end of he year

  280. ed lopaz says:

    agreed; but goal scorers make a lot of money in arbitration, and I would have argued (as Pouliot’s agent) that his ice time was very limited by Martin as he started his slump.

    but your point is well taken.

     

  281. deuce6 says:

    The kid can bash..He just needs to play bigger at the pro level..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBbI6qxuu5o&feature=PlayList&p=15BC89E160252B39&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=18

    I hope the Habs can bring more of this out of him..

  282. SLONCOLD says:

    yikes lol it’s not that bad…. not yet atleast

  283. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    It helped them win the cup.

  284. JIMVINNY says:

    I’d agree with you if it weren’t for the way he scored many of those goals;  using his size, going to the front of the net, forechecking hard.  His play fell off after he got hurt, and he didn’t play the same type of game after that.  He was a shadow of the guy he was when he first got here.  No hitting, no net presence, even his shot looked poor.  I think an off season of training will be great for him, not just to get healthy again, but to put some playable weight on.

  285. SeriousFan09 says:

    I just thought I’d point out there’s no proof that Russians chase the money any more than Canadians do.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  286. Chorske says:

    What utter nonsense. That bridge is burned. The dude is overpaid and old hat and frankly it’s kind of a relief that he’s gone.

  287. Chorske says:

    erupt in hives perhaps. or seizures of frustration.

    I don’t miss him one bit. I’d recommend letting go.

  288. Ian Cobb says:

    Looks like things are coming together nicely. 6 players gone that were on the roster. The one I feel a little sad for is Metro. I sure hope another team picks him up. Great team player with a huge heart.

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  289. The Cat says:

    You know what should be debated intelligently is if the habs should drop OLE OLE OLE OLE and go back to Halte la halte la les Canadiens sont la?

  290. TorontoHabsFan says:

    “…Martin is THE WORST coach I have seen when it comes to nurturing
    confidence in young players”

     

    I gather you didn’t watch too many Ottawa games in the late 90s then? ‘Cause Martin sure seemed to get a tonne out of young talent there: Alfredsson, Yashin, Redden, Hossa, Chara, Phillips, Sami Salo, Havlat, heck he even got Spezza to finally realize that there was a defensive side to the game.

    Martin is nowhere near as bad as some make him out to be.

  291. Chorske says:

    why mess around? Chelios.

  292. SLONCOLD says:

    in fairness to JM. if a guy slumps during crunch time what do you want him to do? hope he gets better by keeping him on the line or switch things up? the habs were in need of something as every point was crutial to making the playoffs. i think it came down to pouliot waiting to find his game while the habs tried to make the playoffs.

    i’m pretty sure he’ll have more time this year to work things out but if he’s not carefull a guy like eller could be called up to play the wing ( assuming he doesn’t start the year with the habs)

  293. andrewberkshire says:

    Actually there is, they have a much larger average cap number than every other well represented country, and money is one of the biggest reasons young russians don’t come over to play in the NHL. Just like all generalizations there are exceptions to the rule, but on average Russians bargain harder for more money.

  294. Rob says:

    why must we only have one? i think we shoudl have even MORE songs

  295. Duracell3 says:

    Puliot is an incredible pussy. I’m pretty confident Gionta would destroy him.

  296. Duracell3 says:

    Engqvist is signed through 2011-2012, but will likely stay in the SEL. He had a pretty good year, but it’s very hard to imagine him being a top-6 forward in the NHL and I doubt that he would play here as anything but. Perhaps in Hamilton, anything but is difficult to imagine.

  297. Bob Barker says:

    I’d put money on it.

  298. The Cat says:

    I agree with Ed Lopaz here. People change, JM has probably changed. In Ottawa it was his first head coaching gig, so he was probably more tolerant than he is now.

  299. smiler2729 says:

    “So many a_holes, so few bullets.”

    -Andrew Dice Clay, The Adventures of Ford Fairlane, 1990

  300. Lafrich says:

    Not keeping Moore is a bad move. He was one of our most consistent forwards since the day he put on the CH. 

  301. crabvader says:

    Agreed.

  302. ZepFan2 says:

    Yes, stop that stupid chant.

    They seem to do it at the most inappropriate time.

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  303. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    You guys, jeez. It’s perfectly acceptable to question the strategy behind the goaltending moves. A lot of longtime supporters of the Habs are doing so, without whining or being loyal to Halak. Halak is not the issue. I’ve been a fan through Vachon, Dryden, Laroque, Thomas, Roy, Aebischer, Thibeault Theodore, Huet, Halak, and I’ll be interested in goaltending strategy after Price is gone. Goaltending strategy is an issue that reasonable people can have and express opinions on.

    There’s nothing wrong with still being horrified.

    As for rebuilding – show me a team that stops rebuilding, and I’ll be looking at the Leafs of a few years ago. It’s a constant process, and an interesting one. Metropolit, Mara, Moore and Bergeron were decent to sometimes excellent guys on the team, but it is time to build. It’s a reasonable turnover.

    We are not going to see a Stanley Cup here for a long time, unless it’s a fluke. Halak took the team on a fluke run, and it was fun. It could happen again, hopefully within five years and not in twenty. They’re trying to build a team that could, in the right circumstances, get lucky. Short term, they have weakened the team so it probably won’t make the playoffs this season.

    Lower your expectations, and you’ll enjoy watching the season. The habs are the Expos. The expos are the habs. I enjoyed watching the ‘spos, even though I knew they wouldn’t win much. I love the game. I’ll try to enjoy the Habs. I am prepared to be surprised by Price. I have zero faith I will be. However, I drink Molson. I don’t own it.

  304. G-Man says:

    It’s hard to watch “lovable losers” after waiting for 17 years for some decent management and good to great players. So many players have been disappointing since ’93 it is no longer funny.

    Love the game, but always hate watching a mediocre Habs team get worse.

  305. showey47 says:

    To me that is improper asset management. At least bring moore back for one year,then move him at the deadline to at least recoup another pick for him. Even if they don’t recoup the 2nd,at least get another pick back for him.Even if its a 3rd or 4th.

  306. ooder says:

    ok, so far Gainey’s and PG’s regime good or bad? discuss

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    88 is the new 23

  307. HabFanSince72 says:

    Yes.

  308. crabvader says:

    Not great. Much better than their most recent predecessors, though.

  309. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Too early. Go for a walk. Swim in a pool. Ask again next decade.

  310. Olay Olay says:

    how about plante traded for worsley! think that wasnt well discussed?

    Fan is short for fanatic

  311. Caper says:

    Steve Penny for Doug Soetart.

  312. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pouliot has potential to be a Top-6, 30 or 40-goal scorer for Montreal provided his commitment to conditioning this summer works out and he comes in to training camp with the right attitude. Moore is a good guy, but the team needed some more youth and using our recently acquired prospects is a good way to fill that out with guys like Boyd and Eller and Moore is never going to get 30-40 goals in the NHL like Pouliot could.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  313. NightRyder says:

    You betcha!

    Let’s get Huet back too and sign Mathieu Schneider for the stretch run.

  314. Bill J says:

    Are you trying to wake up Bugs ? lol

  315. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Of course it was. But it was done face to face, in taverns, in kitchens, on the balcony and on the bus. You knew if the ‘poster’ was a little kid. You knew if he/she was drunk. You laughed with the guys you discussed with. Talking at a computer, especially if you don’t write clearly, makes everyone want to punch everyone in the nose. These aren’t discussions, right now. Discussions were common when I first found HIO.

    Look, the Rocket was better than Gordie Howe.

    Someone snickered. I didn’t hear it. I would have back then. That’s when we could have had a few laughs arguing hockey.

    It was no smarter, but it was a lot less vindictive and petty. Too much name calling, not enough discussing.

  316. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    We couldn’t fight about that one. Who could pronounce Soetart?

  317. kempie says:

    Very well said.

  318. JoeC says:

    Anyone else wonder how bad the fights would be on here if we didnt make the playoffs? wow. it would be the end of the world

  319. Caper says:

    Olay olays recent comments with some responses have been deleted. Are you gone already . olay olay olay olay olay olay!!!

  320. crabvader says:

    I loved his play but I think if we let them go it might be because they priced themselves out of our range (this probably being the case for Moore) or we are trying to get more youth into our system (Metro).

  321. crabvader says:

    The ole chant is nothing compared to Na, na, na, na.

    THAT is usually sung at the most inappropriate times, lol.

    Still, we could be booing people who get taken out on stretchers and chanting “U.S.A.” like idiots when our roster is mainly composed of Canadians. Philly fans have that down to a tee.

     

  322. jimmy shaker says:

    Caper! 

    I’ve got the east coast blood runnin in my veins all the way down here in Windsor!  My dad was Al MacInnis’s neighbour in Port Hood and my mom was from Brook Village

    Cheers mate!

    Shaker

  323. HardHabits says:

    My good friends at HIO. I was kidding!!! But seriously I would like to say two things and they both concern the troll phenomena:

    I saw my own negativity come to light because of it and these recent events have made me realize that it is better to have a balanced approach in seeing things but certainly when voicing an opinion or my POV about them. Moreover buddy’s outrageousness also compelled me to have a much lighter look, enlightened say, and I just rather watch as events unfold with way less emotional attachment to them. Call it HH’s new nirvana.

    I will be taking a hiatus from posting regularly though and that is another of the effects of recent events but I didn’t want anyone to think it was related to my earlier post which was completely and intentionally sarcastic and over the top HH sensationalism.

    This place has seen some great hockey minds and some world class trolls. Lately I’ve come to the conclusion that the only people that can truly shut the trolls up are the Habs.

     

  324. Bill J says:

    LMAO indeed he is, but Bugs’s affections (other will agree) will remain with Kovalev for some time.

    He almost jumped to Sens I/O, I’m sure of it.

     

  325. G BO says:

    laps is a lifer

  326. showey47 says:

    Sucks to see moore go,along with the 2nd rounder we gave up for him. Personally i would have brought him back for at least one more season.

  327. crabvader says:

    I think PG never intended to bring Fischer back. Which is probably why he let that 2nd rounder go.

    He will get a 2nd in next year’s draft to compensate for not signing Fischer.

  328. ZepFan2 says:

    Yeah, that one as well.

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  329. jimmy shaker says:

    Anyone else waiting for Kovy to come back here at the deadline!  I’m saying you heard it here first folks!  Sorry to get ahead of everything/everyone on here!

    Shaker

  330. crabvader says:

    Fair enough.

  331. Hockey Socks says:

    Greater moments and expectations than the 90s. Mediocre in terms of success, but improved.

  332. NightRyder says:

    Yes, because petulant 38-year-old 18-goal men are what we need to put us over the hump!

    If the package is Spezza and Kovalev for Gomez and Hamrlik however, I’m in.

  333. Caballero says:

    I dunno man, an injured knee at his age, and he was never too fast to begin with. The NHL is pretty fast these days…

  334. Mikey_39 says:

    I don’t want him…The team has gotten rid of most of the players who show up every third night, and have replaced them with character players.  Kovy can stay in Ottawa for all i care, I want guys who work their asses off every shift

  335. warriorhockey says:

    i think max lap is gone

  336. Bill J says:

    NO!!! Damn you lol – Big week – development Camp, lots to talk about – just try & ignore the petulance…  Eventually something will be done about it.

  337. jimmy shaker says:

    If we’re in the mix, I think it will be the right punch the team needs. The fans will erupt and Kovy will have his swaggar back and prove his worth in the playoffs where he shows up for the most part. Speed was never his thing anyway…..puck movement, puck control, dipsy doodling and snap shot off the half wall on the PP are his bread and butter…..oh and elbowing darcy tucker (one of my favorite plays of all time)

    Shaker

  338. Ian Cobb says:

    Going to be a lot of players out of work this year Showey. All teams have to cut into their 3rd and 4th lines so they can bring up the cheaper kids.

    More Fan Summit Information

  339. jimmy shaker says:

    probably only take a second or third round pick at the deadline for him, because the sens are not going to bring him back!  That’s for sure!

    Shaker

  340. jimmy shaker says:

    I’ll take him at the deadline if we’re in the mix.  He is a playoff performer even if we all hate him during the regular season.  The bell centre would erupt the first time Michel Lacroix announces Kovy’s name!

     

    Shaker

  341. jimmy shaker says:

    I don’t think so …..why?

    Shaker

  342. kempie says:

    Pretty doubtful IMHO. I doubt if anybody would have any success arguing that he’s worth more than $1M. And so long as he’s priced accordingly, he’s worth the money. I also think he had a terrible season but it looked like he had a lot of fun in the playoffs and played very well. Seems like it should be pretty easy for the team/player to cut a deal. Having said that, I can’t understand why it’s taking so long.

  343. Bill J says:

    Bugs = Captain Kovalev! lol

  344. jimmy shaker says:

    Nice…..I thought he was president Pouliot?

    Shaker

  345. Rugger says:

    Also, he declined arbitration, which to me indicates they are just doing the details to finish up the contract

  346. Rugger says:

    AS the wizard’s gaurd said “No way, no how”

  347. NightRyder says:

    As for the Fischer thing, it’s more than improper asset management, it’s continued poor drafting.

    As I said somewhere down below (or in one of the other ones, I’m too lazy to look), it’s not gaining a second-rounder, it’s screwing up a first-rounder.

    So many 2006 first-rounders are now solid contributors (Giroux was two picks back of Fischer, Lucic further down etc.). So not only do we not have that (a solid NHL roster player), but we’ve now got to wait another three or four years to see anything from the next pick.

    So, it will essentially be eight years before we see a return on our 2006 first-round pick.

    That’s unacceptable.

    Moore, however, played well enough to help them to earn many, many millions in playoff revenue, so I’m guessing that they will consider that swap for a second-rounder as solid asset management!

  348. showey47 says:

    Very true ian, free agency seems to be taking a new direction. For example, over half the forwards signed since july 1st have taken a pay cut. The biggest being olli jokinen.

  349. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I wonder if Eller actually has a shot of breaking the lineup this season?

  350. warriorhockey says:

    so where do we think lars eller and andreas engqvist will fit into the line up ???

  351. adam76 says:

    GO HABS GO!!!!

  352. joeybarrie says:

    Where exactly is he going to go? Who is going to offer him 1 million??? He had 14 points last season.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  353. Muckbringer says:

    carey has an ipod and he is watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w13fdXaDzZI over and over again deep in the bc woods w/dead panda on head

     

  354. JIMVINNY says:

    That wasn’t me, but I’ll take credit if it puts you in a better mood.  She is cute, that’s for sure. 

  355. Rugger says:

    Possibly Lars will make the cut, but most likely both start in Hamilton with Lars coming up with the first top 6 injury.  Unless of course one or the other tears it up in pre-season making it impossible to be sent down.

  356. Bill J says:

    Let’s not forget about Avstin.

  357. JIMVINNY says:

    I don’t think they have pandas deep in the BC woods, or anywhere in the BC woods for that matter.  Grizzly, maybe?

  358. Mr. Biter says:

    Sorry to see MAB (the most exciting man in Hockey), Metro (will probably demand too much this year after his fine play last year) and espically Moore who should have stayed instead of Laps and /or BP. At least PG told their agents the reasons (re salary cap) that no offer will coming so they can find work with other teams. This is one of the problems with the Cap however saying that without the Cap who would be the Yankees of the NHL espically in times when our $$$ is weak (not now but as it was 5 years ago)? Go out and buy the best team possible every year. I don’t think any of us want that either.

  359. badbalance says:

    Do you ever have anything positive to say? Your such a negative nancy, calm down, we’ll be fine, out problem was not goaltending last year, it was the offense.

  360. badbalance says:

    How many season are you a HIO member and how much time to you spend hating on Price? You don’t seem to want to change and work on not being a douche.. Price is working and trying to redeem himself, his attitude is great and he will be working hard this offseason….

  361. NightRyder says:

    As many as Michael Leighton or Tim Thomas or Brian Boucher or Craig Anderson or Ilya Bryzgalov or Pekka Rinne or Dwayne Roloson or Chris Mason or any of the other two-dozen goalies out there who have bounced around before settling into No. 1 spots somewhere.

    When you win twice as many games as you lose and post a .920 save percentage as a 20-year-old, I’d say he’ll get an awful lot more chances.

    Plus, for me, goalies are like tits – the bigger the better. I’m sure it has something to do with the childhood trauma of Ken Dryden being replaced by Denis Herron, but I think the bigger guys are better suited to play 65-70 games. Factor in the equipment changes and I have no problem with the choice of Price over Halak.

    I would have liked to have had the cap space to try and keep both at least until the coming trade deadline before making the ultimate decision, but it’s done and I’m not too troubled by it.

  362. Olay Olay says:

    not the point. they had a better goalie who they never respected. they have now put so much pressure on price even worse than when they traded huet. they didnt even need a goalie back in 2005. theodore was mvp. that mistake that they wont admit to is the reason they insist price will be a star. anything less is not even acceptable anymore. this will end that management regime and if there are more problems signing him or some offer than it will be happening soon.

  363. NightRyder says:

    It absolutely is the point.

    If Halak had just one fewer outstanding game against Washington (and Bruce Boudreau wasn’t a complete tool), this move would not be such a big deal. Instead, we’d be railing about how we were the league’s 17th-best team and were ousted in five games by an actual good team.

    Halak was yanked in both of the first two series and wasn’t very good against Philly. Two three-game winning streaks aren’t quite enough for me to anoint him a saviour. If anything, I’m glad he did have such a good run, because it maximized our return for him and I think Eller will be a solid player.

    There are many good goalies out there, the performance of one or the other isn’t going to be substantially better over the long haul.

    And I’ll take the bigger guy every time when it comes down to making a choice.

  364. NightRyder says:

    Marc-Andre Fleury was a young kid whose performance was up and down like a yo-yo.

    13 wins to 40 wins to 19 wins.

    He turned out OK.

    Cam Ward went from Stanley Cup champ to an .897 save percentage.

    He’s still pretty good.

    It took Tim Thomas 10 years to become a regular in the league, he won a Vezina Trophy and then had a sub-.500 record.

    Goalies can be up and down, even the good ones.

    Writing off a 22-year-old kid with Price’s pedigree at this point is probably not too smart.

  365. adam76 says:

    Well said and very logical.  However, this will be Prices 4th season – is this his last chance at redemption?  How many seasons does “pedigree” buy you?  

  366. Bill J says:

    Right on NR – well said all the way down :)

  367. NightRyder says:

    Thanks Bill!

  368. Olay Olay says:

    Was a lot more than the playoffs. the only reason martin didnt use price was because he knew halak was better. no goalie is perfect. the reason they lost to philly is because they were outplayed. leighton stinks but he shut them out 3 times. if it wasnt for halak the habs wouldnt have been down just one goal in the final minutes of game 5 at philly. do you have any idea the pressure they have now put on price HERE for next year?

    Carey Price
    2009-2010 Canadiens 41 13 20 – 5 0sutouts .912 2.77

    Jaroslav Halak

    2009-2010 Canadiens 45 26 13 – 5 5shutouts .924 2.40

  369. Bill J says:

    NR did a very good job in expressing his opinions.

    I agree with him, and allow me to add…

    By your standards, if Habs I/O existed between 86-90.  If Roy had not won the Cup in 86, you would be calling for Roy’s departure ??

    There are MANY examples of NOT giving up on a 23 year old goalie, specially one who HAS had as much success in his hockey career, no matter at WHAT level … Why ? … Because the players he was playing against when he was winning where either among the BEST at that age level or with the Calder Cup… A kid amongst men.

    Lay of Price Adam, cheer for the team, that includes Price… He’s worth your support IMO ;)

  370. adam76 says:

    problem with your theses, Halak did have “one more outstanding game”.  Results are all that matter.

     

  371. NightRyder says:

    And? Two years ago there’s not a human alive who would have taken Halak over Price.

    By moving Halak, we have acquired assets that might allow us to at some point to have the depth to take on those deeper teams and Price can pick up three shutouts because he actually has a good defence in front of him.

    I see Price as the better goalie on a very good team, I see Halak as the better goalie on a bad team.

    We had to make a choice. I’m fine with the choice they made. Younger, bigger and cheaper certainly works for me.

  372. Mike from Ktown says:

    .912 save % isn’t too shabby, and probably the most important stat when looking at a goalie.  Price does not need a bounce back year, funny thing is that his number were better in 09/10 than 08/09, he just didn’t get the results.  

  373. NightRyder says:

    The problem here a lot is that some folks aren’t real Hab fans. They would rather be right on an Internet board than see their team have sucess.

    They actually want Price to struggle, so they can come here and anonymously point out how smart they are. They want Halak to be a first-team all-star in St. Louis so they can come here and say “I told you so.”

    Pretty hollow if you ask me.

    If Scott Gomez scores 95 points and wins the Conn Smythe Trophy next year, I won’t be calling him an albatross anymore, I’ll be singing his praises.

    Why? Because for me it’s the crest on the front, not the name on the back. I gave up caring whose name was on the back when I was a teenager.

  374. Bill J says:

    My favorite quote from Price bashers at the time, when Price lost a game by 1-0 or 2-0, “He should not have let those goals in, the team does not play in front of him.”

    Can someone please explain to me again, what exactly happened in the ECF, Leighton Le Magnifique ? Why is this in ANY way different then the bad luck in the losses for Price during the regular season ?

    The Halak trade gave the team a top 6 forward, within 2 years.  Young & good size. With a bonus tough guy.

    I am happy for Jaro in St Louis, and wish him success. I hope that EVERYONE here who IS a Habs fan, wish Price the same success, if not more success…  ;)

  375. NightRyder says:

    But we’re not talking about what happened. We’re talking about what will happen.

    For all of Halak’s brilliance (and I absolutely subscribe to the theory it’s easier to be a standout goalie on a bad team than it is a good one) we only got halfway (plus one win) to the overall goal.

    You have said goalies don’t bounce back. I say they absolutely do. And if it was my own money, I’d put it on the next 5-10 years of Carey Price’s career a lot more willingly than I would Halak’s.

    And if results are all that matter, how can you ignore Price’s play at the world juniors, AHL championships and stellar first season in the NHL? The career records of Halak and Price are fairly similar at this point, and Price is younger, bigger and cheaper.

    Like I said, a couple of three-game winning streaks isn’t enough to change my mind. 

  376. NightRyder says:

    They tried to run Roy out of town two games into the Quebec series in 1993. As much as we think we know it all and like to live in the moment as fans, it’s just not that easy.

    And I agree with you Bill in that past success is often a harbinger for future success.

     

  377. adam76 says:

    problem is ROY did win the cup.

     

    all about results.  Can’t erase cup victories.

  378. adam76 says:

    We will see – my question is – if price fails, will you be man enough to admit you were wrong?

     

    If Price posts “Halak type” numbers next season – I will admit I was wrong.

  379. Olay Olay says:

    I see Price as the better goalie on a very good team, I see Halak as the better goalie on a bad team.

    We had to make a choice. I’m fine with the choice they made. Younger, bigger and cheaper certainly works for me.
    ————–firstly it was not 2 years ago a month ago. price is a bigger risk. halak has proven who he is. plus price has not even been signed – this is absurd! how do you trade one away and let ythe other one have all the bargaining power and with such a cap situation? they have put so much pressure on price for this year after all the booing he took in the past. if i were him i wouldnt even want to play here. thats where the 2 gms put all their chips. i think they made a terrible move. actually from 2005 on when they picked him so high as they lucked into #5. didnt even need a goalie then. and are still obsessed they were right. as i said if they are wrong their days as gm are over here.

  380. Bill J says:

    Fortunate for Price then isn’t it, that Halak does not either.  The real comparison I think you are making isn’t it ?

    My point was the regular season which seems to be your bone of contention.

    Because Price did win a series, his first ever. And got a game 7 shutout TYVM.

    He also played Lights out for the Habs in the first half of the centennial season, till his injury and then the “issues” he’s had to deal with … Which I think he has worked on.

    I dunno, one rough season builds character.  It’s good for him to feel loss, is it good for the fans to boo him.  I do not think so.

    He IS human.  Just like you.

  381. NightRyder says:

    Sure. I think I’ve been wrong once or twice before, though I may be mistaken.

     

  382. NightRyder says:

    What bargaining power does he have unless someone signs him to an offer sheet, which isn’t likely to happen, given the incestuous relationships of many of today’s GMs?

    As an RFA coming off a down season, there’s not a ton of leverage, unless he wants to sit out or go to the KHL. Even those options aren’t very inviting.

    I think he’ll be fine. If not, getting a goalie isnt exactly difficult (see: Leighton, Niemi, Boucher, Thomas et al.). And if there’s one thing this organization hasn’t had a problem with over the past few decades, it’s having NHL-calibre goalies in the system.

     

  383. adam76 says:

    I’m from MArs – just fyi

  384. NightRyder says:

    So we should have kept Steve Penney instead of giving Roy a chance?

    It’s all about results, and he had that special run to the semifinals.

    Maybe we should wait a couple of years and see how Halak and Price play out before declaring anyone right or wrong..

  385. NightRyder says:

    So we should have kept Steve Penney instead of giving Roy a chance?

    It’s all about results, and he had that special run to the semifinals.

    Maybe we should wait a couple of years and see how Halak and Price play out before declaring anyone right or wrong..

  386. NightRyder says:

    Good point Bill.

    I don’t think nearly enough has been made of the ankle injury. Anyone who’s ever had a significant ankle injury knows how long it takes to recover.

    And that absolutely affected his mechanics and his technique.

    Worse, it gave him all that down time since he knew he wouldn’t be playing, and, like almost any of us if we were 21 years old, rich and living in Montreal with girls throwing themselves at us, went a little off track.

    I still think the biggest mistake of the entire Gainey regime was not having a full-time babysitter/mentor/roomate/house mom for Carey Price.

     

  387. NightRyder says:

    Gotta go ladies. We’re already pushed onto page 2.

    Interesting discussion though!

  388. oshawahabsfan says:

    Feature on Habs development coming up on sportscentre in a few minutes. Just showed Edmonton’s camp, man have they got some good young guns in their system now.

  389. Bugs says:

    Reckon their last one raised the “good” quotient a bit.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  390. havok says:

    Wow this place really sucks now,, personal attacks, whining etc…

    It HAS become like the rest of the boards…oh well…

    Glad i have other options, take it easy boys! Have a great summer!

  391. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Sucks now???  This place has sucked like this for months now.  Lack of credible unbiased modding and administrators does that to a forum.  All you have to do is scroll down thru the post’s and see who the imbecile’s are.  They just keep getting away with it though.  Having mod’s who are part of the clique get’s nothing done and leads to the insanity that you see here.

  392. Bugs says:

    Sorry, where does the “compensatory second-round draft choice” come from? 

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  393. habsfansince91 says:

    Since David Fischer isn’t signing with us he’ll become a UFA and we get a second round pick because of it.

  394. JIMVINNY says:

    Apparently your innocent question was the final straw, bugs.  Olay Olay just couldn’t take it any longer.

  395. LA Loyalist says:

    What is Gauthier’s plan? Does anyone know? I sure as hell don’t. The main reason we went deep (Halak, of course) was traded for an unknown. What’s the plan? What kind of team is this going to be. Are we stuck with the smurf plan? 

    What is the plan? Molson, Gauthier, somebody out there!!! What are we doing?

  396. deuce6 says:

    It’s called rebuilding by staying competitive..

    I like the fact PG is giving the young guys the reigns..We have some young cheap talent, why not use it? I am pretty sure guys like Avtsin, Pulashaj, Eller, Schultz, etc. all have a higher ceiling, in terms of potential, than a broken down Metro and a one hit wonder MAB..This team is in a transition..

    Don’t fret..

  397. ZepFan2 says:

    What, too urban for you? Does it not describe what spamming is??

    Sorry, we aren’t as sophisticated as you think you are.

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  398. adam76 says:

    So anyone who disagrees is a trool?  anyone who states a fact more then once is a spammer?

     

    Enjoy your circle jerk boys.  Last one has to eat the cookie.

  399. adam76 says:

    So anyone who disagrees is a trool?  anyone who states a fact more then once is a spammer?

     

    Enjoy your circle jerk boys.  Last one has to eat the cookie.

  400. JIMVINNY says:

    That it is.  What’s even better is watching non-trolls defend trolls, just to disagree with you.  Which I guess makes them trolls anyways.  Crazy how that works.

  401. JIMVINNY says:

    so intent on spamming now that you double post.  That’s commitment.

  402. JIMVINNY says:

    trool.  haha.

  403. crabvader says:

    Adam, lol, you’re really showing your true colors tonight, aren’t you?

  404. adam76 says:

    deffinition of spam – Unsolicited e-mail, of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

     

    What exactly am I selling?  Pricebunny tee shirts?  

  405. adam76 says:

    typing smack – giggle

  406. ZepFan2 says:

    Try again.

    Spamming

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  407. adam76 says:

    urban dictionary – are you kidding me?

  408. kempie says:

    You’re a towel.

  409. ZepFan2 says:

    “Enjoy your circle jerk boys.  Last one has to eat the cookie.”

    Is that how it goes?

    It sounds like you’re the experienced one. Congrats!

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  410. ZepFan2 says:

    What about them?

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    Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.”
    – Sam Pollock

  411. eharvey says:

    Guys, please, come on…I like a good debate, and some of you are very good and professional at it, but others of you sound really silly still talking about the St. Louis Blues netminder.  This is a Montreal Canadiens site.  I know humans are adverse to change but you have to find a way to fight through it.  This team didn’t win a thing last year (how’s that for being smacked in the face with a cold fish :)).  Fortuitis matchups and some guys playing really well when the money was on the table made for a great ride.  PG and JM recognize that there were no banners won, heck, not even a conf championship once we ran into a team with some size.  I love the changes and could not be happier keeping a 22 yr old 5th overall pick and turning Halak into a Center that the habs potentially haven’t had in 20 yrs.  We have some big young guys coming and some puck moving defencemen as well on there way.  This is the best position the habs have been in in many years, and the most talent they have had in the majors since before the last cup.

    Only Moore was worth bringing back, adn we have kids that are cheaper that need the room.  I would have gouged my eyes out if they signed that MAB back…terrible.

  412. LA Loyalist says:

    the best position in many years? we have a team with no discernible identity, too small for playoff hockey, a VERY questionable goalie, a washout backup that we wouldn’t even need in Hamilton, a 7 million dollar boat anchor, and an arrogant unproductive one at that… need I go on?

    Yes we have SOME talent. Cammy, Gionta, Markov, PK is going to be a good one. Hal won me over in the playoffs. But where is the freaking PLAN? I ain’t seeing it.

     

  413. Olay Olay says:

    Fan is short for fanatic

  414. ooder says:

    so can we call ourselves supporters then?

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    88 is the new 23

  415. JIMVINNY says:

    Jonathan, it’s clear that your post has fallen entirely on deaf ears.  I don’t know if it’s worth anymore of anyone’s time to try to reason with these people.

  416. crabvader says:

    Heh, it’s a good method of getting every troll on HI/O to surface though. :P

    Now all we need is a ban hammer.

  417. KGB_AKA4787 says:

    So since ”Latenderness” landed a 2.5mill or somehting contract with Mini, what does that price Laps, about the same, there, is no room for improvment after signing them both, thats BS

     

    Go Habs Go

  418. crabvader says:

    Laps will make 1mil if he’s lucky.

  419. likehoy says:

    don’t say that too loud…

    Habs-prof might come and nag you about the NAG

  420. crabvader says:

    Maybe Ian Schultz can pull a Jimmy Bonneau and pick a fight with Komisa… never mind haha.

  421. crabvader says:

    Looks promising for sure.

    Avtsin and Engqvist are the ones that pique my interest other than Eller.

  422. showey47 says:

    I think your right,all the “experts” predicted a bad year for us mainly the ones from tsn and sportsnet. But then again they all said the leafs would make the playoffs,maguire went even further and said the leafs would challenge for first in the north east and have the best defence(goals against) and PK in the league. Looks like he was off by a little bit with those predictions.

  423. crabvader says:

    Possibly. He also said that because of our speed we would do well during the regular season. I knew I was forgetting something. The size was the issue for the downfall during the playoffs.

    Still, it was, in the end.

    We matched up well against Pitts and Washington because it was Skill vs. Skill.

    Philly was just a bad match-up for us… We did poorly against them during the season and we had done pretty well against Pitts and Washington.

    Philly was a bad match-up for us due to our lack of size.

  424. crabvader says:

    Ferraro knows everything, obviously.

  425. petrov14 says:

    All I remember is after Markov going down in game one is Ray Ferraro saying we had no chance to make the playoffs now.

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  426. Caper says:

    I thought they had us 8th just ahead of the laffs but yes an early exit. Some picked us 13th just like they did the year we won the Eastern Conference in 07/08. Then they picked us for first in 08/09 …..

  427. crabvader says:

    I guess what we can expect is: whatever TSN predicts, like a good ol’ fashioned Eklund rumor, we should expect the contrary to happen. :P

  428. TripleX says:

    I would really like to see the link to that story dude.

    My memory has them predicting the Habs would MISS the playoffs completely.  STRONG SEASON?  Boy, I guess I missed that episode.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  429. crabvader says:

    Sorry, no link.

    I remember Bob Mckenzie sitting there with the panel saying (paraphrase): With the additions of Cammalleri, Gionta and Gomez, the Habs will have a good regular season and falter during the playoffs due to lack of size.

  430. Caper says:

    And I think he called the Habs” an experiment”.

  431. TripleX says:

    Well I predicted the Laffs would finish ahead of the Habs but both would miss the playoffs.  ROFL

    I was a little off last season.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  432. DavidKB says:

    I predicted the Habs would finish 7th or 8th and win in the first round of the playoffs. I’m not predicting next year until preseason.

  433. canada4l says:

    Can we then be called jocks for short since we are athletic supporters?

  434. Clay4bc says:

    Bravo. Well done.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  435. ds says:

    Metro was a warrior but probably priced himself out of Montreal.

    MAB was an excellent PP player and worth the price even if he played as a 4th liner/PP specialist but with Subban’s emergence he became expendable.

    Dominic Moore will hurt.  Moore-Lapierre-Pyatt became one of the best 3rd lines in the playoffs.  They all chipped in with timely goals and were solid defensively with plenty of speed.  I don’t think Moore will get more than Pouillot, so this loss will hurt the team.  MTL needs players to take some of the penalty killing time away from Gomez & Plekanac so they can try to help score some goals.  Lapierre showed he’s probably better off on the wing than at center but who knows how well Boyd fits into the lineup.  why ruin what actually worked??

  436. crabvader says:

    Boyd’s here and call up White. Alls well that ends well.

  437. sidhu says:

    No more MAB!  Addition by subtraction!

    Moore played well for us, especially in the playoffs; Metro is a solid character guy, I hope he lands somewhere.

  438. The Cat says:

    Come on lets embrace the fighting in a way…Yesterday the Boivin and Kovalchuk topics had no fighting and that gets pretty boring.

  439. ooder says:

    your posts don’t get deleted because you don’t like Gainey…

    common man

    it’s only because you repost the exact same non-sensical drivel over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    what have you ever prodivded to this site in terms of discussion, information or anything habs related other then

    Gainey and PG suck and every other GM is a genious. 

    is RM banned? nooo

    are other posters who don’t like Gainey banned.. nooo

    it’s only because you repost the exact same non-sensical drivel over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    it’s only because you repost the exact same non-sensical drivel over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    it’s only because you repost the exact same non-sensical drivel over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    get it?

    although i give you props for not insulting anyone and you keep everything hockey related.

    unlike Priceberg and a few other posters

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    88 is the new 23

  440. Muckbringer says:

    someone ban him!!! i for 1 embrace 1984

     

  441. TripleX says:

    Blake Geoffrion the grandson of “Boom Boom” signs a two year contract with Nashville for 850k.  SK must be super pissed now.  LOL

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  442. KGB_AKA4787 says:

    I donu but he was big in the playoffs, and I can’t picture him not being jelous of Latenderness contract 

     

     

    Go Habs Go

  443. crabvader says:

    He doesn’t deserve a penny over 1m.

    Sure, I really liked the way he played during the playoffs and had he played that way during the season, it would be a different story, but the fact of the matter is that Lapierre’s season was borderline bad.

  444. crabvader says:

    Lol, look at the kettle calling the pot black.

  445. SLONCOLD says:

    i’m not thrilled with the direction of the team but man look at those CAPS in his post… thank god he can’t make teh text glitter lol

  446. JIMVINNY says:

    Glitter?  Yeah, that would top it off, wouldn’t it.

  447. TripleX says:

    Rebuilding?  Didn’t the former GM gut his team to rebuild this new one last July?

    Rebuilding? Again?  Is it third time lucky?

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  448. deuce6 says:

    lol..It takes longer than a year to rebuild a franchise?

    I understand you are gonna say they have been rebuilding for a number of years now, but we gutted the team of its entire core…IMO, it started 1 year ago…

    Our younger talent is slowly starting to mold this franchise..Some of you are so impatient..

  449. andrewberkshire says:

    Oh right, rebuilding is a 1 year job. We all forgot, thanks for your constant brilliant observations.

  450. SeriousFan09 says:

    This is year 2 of the rebuild, the new face of the team was started last July, this is simply a continuation of building that team into a contender.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  451. andrewberkshire says:

    In theory.

  452. showey47 says:

    I kind of think we should get at least a 5 year mulligan for the reggie houle era and perhaps a couple of extra years to make up for the terrible drafting during his reign of errors.

  453. crabvader says:

    Lol, so true.

  454. crabvader says:

    It would probably be in our best interest to sign Price for 2+ years.

    1 year would be stupid considering if he burns it up for us, we’ll have to find space to re-sign him, Markov, Gorges, etc.

    Of course, PG would know this already, correct?

  455. petrov14 says:

    I would like to see 3 years.

    ______________________________________ Gionta for Captain.

  456. NightRyder says:

    Jose Charbonneau, Mark Pederson, Andrew Cassels, Eric Charron, Lindsay Vallis, Turner Stevenson, Brent Bilodeau, David Wilkie, Saku Koivu, Brad Brown, Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard, Alexander Buturlin*, Ron Hainsey, Mike Komisarek, Chris Higgins, Andrei Kostitsyn, Kyle Chipchura, Carey Price, David Fischer, Ryan McDonagh, Danny Kristo*, Louis Leblanc, Jarred Tinordi. (*second-rounder)

    Discuss.

     

  457. sidhu says:

    No God, No God Please, No, No, No, No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEc9W2-NPVs

  458. mike g says:

    I wouldn’t have drafted any other way…

    lol

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  459. cunningdave says:

    Speak of the devil, McDonagh just signed with NYR:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=533889&cmpid=rss-compton

  460. Bradzerker says:

    Was trading a 2nd round pick for Moore, knowing the team would be cap-tight, a particularly smart move?  Does PG have a plan or does he just make moves one at a time?  So far I really do not like what is happening in Montreal.

  461. cunningdave says:

    It worked out pretty well last year, but you’re right.  I wish they would sign Moore.  The others are all replaceable, but Moore played very well in the playoffs.

  462. TripleX says:

    I have to agree dude. 

    When PG says this:

    “Our decisions are not about either building a team for the long or short term; we’re doing both. We want to win right now while also building for the future,” 

    What exactly does it mean and is it even possible?  Sounds like a dude unable to bite the bullet and declare a firm direction.  A boat adrift in the wind comes to mind.  I have to believe a guy like Yzerman knows EXACTLY where his is going.

     

     

     


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  463. andrewberkshire says:

    Moore scored a series clinching goal against the Capitals. He was instrumental for the Canadiens playoff run this season, the 2nd rounder was very well spent, and for the future we’re going with a younger and better player in Eller.

  464. crabvader says:

    Definitely.

    Eberle is awesome, too.

  465. TripleX says:

    GM Place to be renamed Rogers Arena!!!

    How I hate that EVIL COMPANY.  

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  466. avatar_58 says:

    Do you forget the habs play at the BELL centre? Bell is far worse than rogers, I believe Satan himself is actually their CEO.

  467. SeriousFan09 says:

    How about **** the entire Canadian cell phone service industry.

    Crooks the lot of them.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  468. crabvader says:

    A.Kost better produce this year, or there are guys in Eller and Boyd who will gladly and easily take his spot on the roster.

    Boyd is known as a 3rd/4th liner simply because NHL management of past teams have put him there.

    He has a good set of hands and a very solid shot. He will also hit as much as he can. Eller will work for his spot.

    Andrei better get out of his pirate costume and lace his skates up tight, or else he’ll be eating hot dogs with Dandenault. Yes… legends say he still waits in the press box, clinging on to hope that he can play one more game! :P

  469. SLONCOLD says:

    i think you could say that about a few players on this habs team.

  470. likehoy says:

    truth@ dandeneault.

    I’ll be checking out camp on Thursday…maybe Friday too…I’m excited to see Eller!

  471. Clay4bc says:

    Yeah, A.Kost better produce…3 MORE goals than Gomez last season in 19 FEWER games. With the salary difference, AK seems like a bargain to me.

    I think Gomez is the one who needs to produce. Why do you not hold him to the same standard as you do Europeans?

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  472. The Cat says:

    Dandenault is a good guy. I find it hard to believe a guy who is so versatile, cheap, a cup winner and all heart that no one can make a spot for him. His last year in MTL; he wasnt bad at all. Maybe Im biased cause hes from like 5 minutes from where I live.

  473. TripleX says:

    OMG  Major flame war going on HIO.

    I do agree that changes are needed as HIO is in a state of anarchy.  Time for Mr. Boone to spend some of his bonus money on a proper administrator.

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  474. rogus says:

    Can’t wait to NOT see those horrible pp give aways. A 1 trick pony, and a smurf in the truest sense of the word.

  475. JoeC says:

    Am i the only one HAPPY that MAB will for sure not be back?? :)

  476. pic1983 says:

    Im with you.

    I hated the signing the day they did it, and i hated it even more in the playoffs when he was completely useless.

  477. crabvader says:

    Yeah, but AK46 is eating up a lot of salary.

    Who else is there to put pressure on? Pouliot? Meh. I think he’ll be fine with the right conditioning regiment.

    He’s only making half the money AK makes and he scored more goals in less games played.

     

  478. badbalance says:

    If we scorch anyone for eating up a lot of salary it should be Hamr…

  479. Adam says:

    Yeah, but from where? There’s 30 picks in the 2nd round, and 30 teams. Who gives us their pick? Whichever team signs Fischer?

    What if nobody signs him?

  480. habsfansince91 says:

    well we’re going to get the 50th overall pick so i think what happens is that everyone just gets bumped up a spot.

  481. Bugs says:

    Huh. Really? How ’bout that.

    Thanks.

    Keepin it real, I be chillin as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Brotha to the Man with the Plan, Product-runnin Lead Houndogg with the Voodoo Flannel Posse, and Pimp Extraordinaire of Habsbros Mama Jones Snow Cones, muthafugga: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  482. crabvader says:

    Ok time to break this useless cycle.

    Gauthier hints to perhaps making any “personnel changes” once Laps and Price are signed.

    I’m left to wonder what he’s thinking with the almost virtual absence of any top 6 scoring left in the UFA market. Are we looking for a depth d-man?

  483. Mad Habber says:

    How much did David Clarkson sign for again? If the Devils are signing Kovalchuk…they have to dump salary right?

  484. adam76 says:

    OMG so adult!!!!

  485. Habs4ever Fan says:

    He is thinking of adding either you to his coaching team or perhaps those were just meaningless words he uttered to the media

     

    Me thinks its the latter

  486. TripleX says:

    DAMN YOU!  I completely forgot for some reason. LOL

    You are right BELL sucks as well, in fact they all suck Telus included.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  487. Sportfan says:

    Miro Satan :P OR legit Satan

     

    Speaking of Satan i wish the Devils would sign him haha

  488. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Hey everyone,  anyone that doesn’t agree with crabvader,  or get’s sick of his incessant whining and crying about other posters is a troll according to him.  Be forewarned.

  489. homerbowen says:

    Laps should get no more than $1M. He did very little until the playoffs and that’s just not good enough.

  490. ooder says:

    actually the playoffs is the most important part

    but i do agree on his salary though

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    88 is the new 23

  491. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    He needs to direct balls to thin out some of the know-it-all,  attack everything that moves, twenty-somethings that are ruining this place.

  492. Mikey_39 says:

    Good for Sergei for signing with the predators.  I’m confident he’ll have a great season next year.  It’s too bad it didn’t work out with him here, I always really liked him.  It was so exciting when he was first brought up a couple of years ago.  He was talented and gritty too, having dropped the gloves a few times.  He has sooo much potential and talent, I wish the coach would have given him more of a chance here, and that he had a better attitude.  I know a lot of posters won’t agree with me, but he will definitely be missed by me.

     

  493. Will Longlade says:

     Would Pleks straight up for Antoine Vermette be a good deal for the Habs? 

  494. ooder says:

    ???? seriously

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    88 is the new 23

  495. SeriousFan09 says:

    Good deal for Columbus yes, it would be a rather public rogering for the Canadiens.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  496. habsfansince91 says:

    i really hope your joking

  497. Paulin98C says:

    Plekanec has a NTC. Good luck asking him to waive after after he signed not even a month ago.

  498. slapshot777 says:

    You must be joking. Just finished signing the guy to a longterm contract and you suggest a trade involving him. What are you thinking?

     

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  499. ooder says:

    my friend from France moved here recently.

    so he called to inquire about a cellphone.

    he told me that when he found out about the prices he was in shock, and couldn’t believe how expensive it is here.

    especially paying for caller id, which is disabled on purpose just to get people to pay to use it

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    88 is the new 23

  500. JIMVINNY says:

    And conversely, you are “so” not adult.  Why can’t you just leave it alone? 

  501. JasonM says:

    Excellent post.

     

    Check signature for proof of purchase

     

    http://www.gifsoup.com/view/400309/boudreau-o.gif

  502. andrewberkshire says:

    Classic!

  503. slapshot777 says:

    Andrew, your posts whether we agree or disagree are well thought out. It’s post like yours that I enjoy to read, while there are the trolls who constantly stir ****.

     

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  504. mbplekfan says:

    Eller is listed as #27 overall on the future’s site top prospect list. Right up there with PK. This moves him to the top of our list of prospective forwards, leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else.

    Most of our prospective forwards will never make the NHL. Eller’s cv indicates a future player in the same vein as Pleks but bigger and more physical. If he plays a full season with the big club and puts up even 30 points Halak will quickly be forgotten.

    Three exciting young players join the club and some posters think that is less important than resigning aging waiver wire pickups and third line journeymen…Some people have no foresight.

  505. deuce6 says:

    Why people get so worked up and frustrated over crap they cannot control is beyong me..It’s like being afraid of dying..You can’t do anything about it, so just enjoy the damn ride…LOL

  506. The Cat says:

    Thats well said brother!

  507. LA Loyalist says:

    we WANT to enjoy the damn ride! That’s the whole point. The playoff ride was the point. Like your avatar, by the way, Cammaleri is the real deal.

  508. jrshabs1 says:

    How can you compare A.Kost to Gomer? Please do your homework before you post nonsence.

  509. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    they’re both forwards for the Montreal Canadiens,  why can’t they be compared?  Speaking of homework,  it’s nonsense,  not “nonsence”. 

  510. Clay4bc says:

    How can I compare them, you ask?
    I just showed you…I compared them in the areas of goals scored per game played, and salary hit to the team. How else would I compare them? It seems that I did my homework, and posted some facts for consideration. Maybe you should do yours – then you might learn how to spell “nonsense”. What did your post add to the discussion, other than rudeness?

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  511. jrshabs1 says:

    you’ll see!!!

  512. Clay4bc says:

    I already did see…over $7 million for 12 goals. Impressive…I wonder what he will do for an encore – score 13? I wait with bated breath.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  513. The Cat says:

    Its not just about goals you know.

  514. Clay4bc says:

    I know, (Mao)Cat…but the rest ain’t worth $7 million. Not even close. And you know that as well.

    You mentioned Dandy above…he had more heart and grit than Gomez, and there is no money at all for him.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  515. The Cat says:

    Yeah but at the risk of repeating myself, with the lack of size we have at the wings on our offensive lines, its essential to have a Gomez-like player who can gain the zone by stickhandling and speed. If Gomez ever gets hurt, this team will go into a big time offensive rut. Yes hes overpaid, but hes the best centre we have by a mile.

  516. Clay4bc says:

    I see your point, my communist friend…but one could argue that we already were the lowest scoring team in the league last season with Gomez – is that not already a rut? And we weren’t exactly lighting it up in the playoffs either (except Halak and Cammy, who went above and beyond expectations)…I’ll take Pleks over Gomez in a second. Koivu as well, even now when he has lost a step. That’s just too much coin to attach to one under-producing player.

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  517. Caballero says:

    Gomez is the only player on the roster besides marky who can skate into the opposing team’s zone and find a free man. The only one. I think that is worth quite a bit. We needed a centre with skills and there weren’t too many available. I can’t believe people are still dwelling on what’s done. You have to accept certain things. One of which is that for certain reasons, no matter what players say, there is always reluctance to sign here. On the other hand, this management team sucks at developing players properly and that is the situation that should be questioned and remedied in my opinion.

  518. Clay4bc says:

    funny…I seem to recall Pleks getting 45 assists last season (only 2 less than Gomez). Was that sheer luck then?

    I agree about management though, but to me it’s all part of the same problem. Letting the wrong players go…letting the right players go for no return…not drafting well…not able to develop young talent…taking on a huge contract that cripples the team for a player that doen’t even come close to justifying the cap hit.

    And whether you can believe it or not, I and many others are – and will continue to – dwell on this. I may have to accept it (and I do accept it, in case you are wondering), but I certainly don’t have to like it, nor do I have to shut up about it (I am not implying that you told me to shut up, BTW – it’s just that many others have been incessantly rude in responding to this line of thinking *coughandrewcough*).

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  519. punkster says:

    Well played SF. Flashman would approve.

    FREE TIMO!

  520. crabvader says:

    Yeah, they’ll be in a bit of a hole. Capgeek.com has them at 4,748,334$ of cap space left.

    If they get Kovalchuk for around 8.5mil per, they will have to dump around 3.7 mil in salary.

    Oh and Clarkson signed for roughly 2.67mil/per.

    Brian Rolston’s is the one that hurts at about 5mil/per for the next 2 years. 35+ contract so they are stuck with it even if he retires. He would need to be traded and I don’t know about many teams that want that kind of baggage.

  521. slamtherimtim says:
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    last year when gainey made the first move by GM’s ( gomez ) and then started spending money at high noon , we were all up in arms about how the team sucked , was too small , should have resigned our own free agents . and then BAM 3rd round of the playoffs , what a ride it was , even with the injuries one after another the team did pull through when it counted

    reading the posts the last days are only like reading last year about this same time , and look what happened last year

    seems like PG is doing the same thing this year , being pro-active is what i would call it , and sticking to the plan , when you hear about a five year plan it doesnt mean you start over in five years , plans are revised every year with the five year plan still in mind .

    i like what the team is doing , even more when i think long term , we have some veterens who have won , middle aged over/under achivers , young talent and still the best fans

    even though we dont think anything will happen tomorrow , good for us anyways , i am already excited about the season thats still 3 months away

  522. punkster says:

    Hmmm. Or you could interpret it as he wants to build a dynasty? Not unrealistic to think that’s what he means.

    FREE TIMO!

  523. Aybara says:

    “and still the best fans when we are winning.” -fixed

     

    Rest of the post I agree with. I think we are definitely going in the right direction. Without all the injuries that plagued the team last year we could easily have been top 4 in the conference. With a little bit more luck home ice could be staring the team in the face come april.

  524. TripleX says:

    I guess it depends on whether you think that building a dynasty is a realistic plan?

    I hope that is not what he means Punkster since that is a path to failure with the realities all teams face in the cap world.

    I can never tell when you are being serious.  xP

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  525. habs001 says:

    it is a good decision to go with younger players…in 2011 we will have a lot more cap room also…management realizes that the forwards we drafted in the last 3-4 drafts are not major contributors to supplement the free agents we signed and prev draft picks…the hope is that the new group of young forwards that should be nhl ready in 2 years will have a much higher upside than our present group of drafted forwards… too many of our drafted forwards turned into non scorers at the nhl level..

  526. badbalance says:

    Having a chance to play for Montreal should already be a reward.

  527. badbalance says:

    Having a chance to play for Montreal should already be a reward.

  528. sanj91 says:

    To be completely honest, my views on the Halak trade have changed following his recent signing. From everything I was reading, it seemed as if he was without a doubt getting at least 4M+ a season. Now that he’s signed at 3.75M, I can’t help but wonder why we didn’t keep him. We currently have 5.6M in cap room. For 3.75M, that leaves a little less than 2M to resign Lapierre. It was easily do-able. The fact that Gauthier never once contacted the Halak camp is even more annoying now. I am neither a Halak or Price maniac. I support both and I currently am 100% behind Carey Price. But I feel we could have the exact same team with a (currently) better goalie in Halak, not to mention a goalie who had the full support of the entire fan base and very little pressure relative to Price going into next season. Gathier and Gainey always struck me as a duo that played it safe. This kind of gamble seems a bit uncharacteristic and unprofessional. Let’s hope it works out…

    “When a homeless guy knows his hockey, you know you’re in Montreal” – Hal Gill

  529. badbalance says:

    Price is our man, now ONWARD!!

  530. SeriousFan09 says:

    Because 3.75 or more would’ve been necessary here factoring in cap space and the higher locak taxes. That leaves them with under 2 million to get Lapierre signed,  and then you have to deal with having about a 1 million or less for your 13th forward to be on contract, even with a Hamilton call-up, leaving the team no extra cap space in case an injury doesn’t demand IR time and gives you some relief. PG wants to enter the 10-11 season with extra space on the salary cap so he has room to manuver as necessary.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  531. Clay4bc says:

    What does your comment have to do with his valid and well-stated point?

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  532. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    Reading all these comments about Price not going to have a bounce back year again. If you all could forecast what the outcome will be this coming season is absolutely amazing!!! I cannot wait to hear “TSN Panel” for the upcoming season to predict were the Habs will finish in the standings? You so called experts will just fit fine debating back and forth while you will have nothing else better to say.

    The Habs will look a tad better and will push each other to play as a team by sticking to the system. Without any injuries the Habs should be chasing the Bruins for first in the division. The future looks very bright and the players better be prepared to give it their all for a full 60 minutes.

    Players like Pouliot, AK46 and Price will have to be the difference makers for the Habs to excel to the next level. This team looks very promising and cannot wait for this season to start. Boys and girls enjoy this great ride coming this season. I believe!!! Go Habs Go!!! Ole!!! Ole!!! Ole!!! NA!! NA!! NA!! Go Habs Go!!!

    O what a great feeling!!!!!! Injury free season would be a bonus!!! I gotta a funny feeling…….fill in the rest?

  533. crabvader says:

    Last year’s TSN panel predicted us having a strong season and crumpling early in the playoffs. How wrong they were. It was the exact opposite.

    I think we’ll do well considering, like you said, our guys are bonding as a team. That was what was missing the most with past squads. No communication, no team-play… Just a bunch of players relying too much on their own talent.

    It would be a bonus not to get hit with the injury bug for sure… Hopefully Price doesn’t crumble under the pressure. Here’s to hoping he really did turn a new leaf… no pun intended.

  534. adam76 says:

    4 – 11 goalies usually don;t bounceback.  logic and stats prove that theses.

     

     

  535. Caper says:

    Much of the wonderful media here in Southern Ontario are picking the Habs as one of the teams which made the playoffs, most likely not to make the playoffs in 2010-11.  You can say this pretty much about any Eastern Conference team except the Caps and to a lesser extend Pitt. Like any team there will be questions however I think that if our important players remain relatively healthy, we can easily get 95-100 points.  What if what if what if. Other than the fact we have not acquired another top 6 forward, I like the fact that there is some stability this year and feel that with Cammy, Gionta and our fav head case AK46 could all score 30 plus goals.   

  536. Clay4bc says:

    I still remember him finishing that shift with his arm broken in 2 places. You can’t teach heart like that, and he had reasonable skill to go with it. I also don’t get why he is not playing…

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  537. The Cat says:

    Maybe people find him too old, it aint his personality, a true soldier, a good teammate whos all business.

  538. The Cat says:

    Like many on here, I dont understand trading for and then later not keeping Moore. Moore and Lapierre were great together, and you win championships because of a great 3rd line. Moore and Halak: 2 of the guys who were instrumental in the run were let go, I dont understand the plan at all. But the problem lies in the philosophy of the habs in where they overvalue a guy based on what he does in special teams as opposed to in big games.

  539. adam76 says:

    Montreal is not rewarding hard work and results – they are building on pedigree and potential.

  540. Clay4bc says:

    That’s a cop-out, SF. PG said last week that cap room can be made if it’s needed. We’re talking about maybe half to $1 million difference here, and it could have been done if there was a will. No, this was about justifying wasting a top-5 pick on a weak to average goalie.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  541. SeriousFan09 says:

    Cap space can always be made, but it also means you sacrificed something in the process, like a roster player who could contribute in favour of a rookie who can’t deliver much of anything. Lack of scoring killed the team’s fortunes last season along with injury, sitting around waiting for Halak to deliver all-world goaltending to put us in the playoffs is not what I’d call a good strategy going into 10-11.

    It was not about justifying their goalie selection, it was making sure they didn’t have to go to Vegas, bet it all on one number for half the year and hope it worked. The 2005 Draft class wasn’t exactly a banner year either, so don’t feed us that nonsense that we let a half-dozen NHL superstars slip through our fingers.

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  542. Clay4bc says:

    I like the way you throw out the word “nonsense”, like your opinion is more valid than others…

    Here then is some “nonsense” from your post…

    “Cap space can always be made, but it also means you sacrificed something
    in the process, like a roster player who could contribute in favour of a
    rookie who can’t deliver much of anything.”

    We did sacrifice a great roster player in Halak for a goalie (Price – not a rookie, but the point stands) who can’t deliver much of anything. So your so well thought out point is easily turned against you, using nothing but your own logic. Funny thing is, I agree with your premise. We absolutely SHOULD NOT HAVE sacrificed a seriously valuable roster player in Halak to create cap space that could have been gotten elsewhere.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  543. adam76 says:

    Those who support management current direction have more of a “valid” point then those who question.

    Did you not get that memo?

  544. Clay4bc says:

    I got the memo, Adam…I just chose to ignore it. Funny thing about me is that I hate being bullied… (Not throwing you in with the bullies though, SF, but you know who I refer to).

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  545. SeriousFan09 says:

    Can Halak play 70 games and play to an elite level in the playoffs? I’m betting not. He’s never even topped 50 in a regular season and a pretty compelling evaluation over the last 5 years would indicate that it is a wholly unsucessful concept these days to ride a goalie that way. I’ll take some extra forwards who are capable of contributing instead. The team was getting badly beaten when it came to offensive production in 09-10 so the Canadiens needed more options at forward which is what the new configuration allows.

    Roster forwards were more important this year, unless you think rope-a-dope is a viable long-term strategy. Halak might never repeat what he did last season and no way he would’ve had he played the full season and expected to do last year’s performance in the playoffs because the team was handcuffed for forward depth.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  546. Clay4bc says:

    Has halak ever been given the chance to do as you suggest? And who are these “extra forewards” you speak of? Eller (who is nothing but potential at this point, as is Price) and a throw-in? If Price is all you think he is, could we not have gotten more for him in a trade? The answer is no, because Halak is far more valuable.

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  547. adam76 says:

    Did you get the memo on the TPS reports?

  548. SeriousFan09 says:

    Looking at goalie signings this year, it would indicate a buyer’s market over a seller’s market. Goalies aren’t worth much right now considering the ‘duel’ in the Cup Finals. Extra forwards are Eller, but also the space to sign Plekanec to a good long-term deal while at the same time not dumping any of the other main roster players because Halak’s salary ate up too much space. Eller gives the team a good cap-friendly contract and allows them to retain their scoring forwards.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  549. Clay4bc says:

    So in other words, we sacrificed our MVP to get worse, not better?

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    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  550. Clay4bc says:

    LOL…no Adam, I didn’t get that memo. You’ll have to fax me a copy (in triplicate, of course).

    __________________________

    “Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Denis Diderot

  551. Jon Hackett says:

    I’m a bit disappointed about not keeping Moore, but it’s not a surprise.

  552. punkster says:

    Moore and Metro would have been nice but not essential. No issue with losing MAB and Mara. Move on.

    FREE TIMO!

  553. JD_ says:

    Yeah on Moore. Hardworking and a positive attitude.

    Metro’s fate was sealed when Boyd signed up.

    Wish them both well.

    Mara was out of the picture a long time ago.

    As for MAB, no doubt he’s a fine chap ‘n’ all, but am not going to miss whiteknuckling the couch’s armrest every time he opts to handle the puck at the point on the PP, with some guy bearing down on him, rather than just fire it at the net. Nor will I miss the classic MABPivot, achievable under real-world conditions by tying one’s skate laces together before trying to turn.

  554. likehoy says:

    good to hear the update from the GM.

  555. TripleX says:

    OMG….Rogers ( the evil company personified ) has purchased GM Place and of course plan to rename it. 

     

     

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  556. SeriousFan09 says:

    How about the Olympic Gold Memorial Arena. It’s not like they’ll be celebrating any other kind of hockey championship.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  557. sprague cleghorn says:

    Five-hole Place.

  558. andrewberkshire says:

    Rogers is an evil company? Far superior to Telus or Bell that’s for sure.

  559. NightRyder says:

    Meh. All replaceable spare parts.

    We wouldn’t have done anything with the second-round draft pick anyway

    Interestingly, both MAB and Metropolit had more goals that Gomo last year…

  560. JIMVINNY says:

    Moore had what I would consider a big impact in the run to and in the playoffs.  SInce we knew we were getting a second rounder for Fisher, I think it was a good trade.

  561. SeriousFan09 says:

    Wish Moore could’ve stayed but I guess that’s over with. 11 forwards on the roster for next season with Cammy, Pleks, AK, Gomez, Gio, Pouliot, Eller, Moen, Boyd, Darche and Pyatt. 2 spots left will be filled with Lapierre once his contract is finished up and a 13th man, either Pacioretty or White albeit I suspect White as Pacioretty’s in more need of full-time AHL development, White’s game is simpler and as a checking line player he’s pretty solid from what I saw in Hamilton this year.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  562. Mark C says:

    SF09, I think there is a good chance that Brock Trotter is a darkhorse for the 13th man. He would have to pass waivers if he were to be sent down to the AHL, and after last season, I would think there is a good change he get plucked. This could play out much like it has in the past with playes like Chipchura.

  563. eharvey says:

    I can’t defend that $7M contract other than to say, if the Habs don’t go get him last year, no free agents come to Montreal.  It was abvious that no matter how much I loved Saku, no one wanted to come here to play with him and be shut down.  Once they got Gomez, Gionta and Cammy came – Gill followed.  That backup is a joke and provides a warm body in practice.  I think the plan is to get cheaper/younger so they can invest in talent to get over the top, and still be under the cap, and of course much bigger up front with Eller, Avtsin, Engqvist, Pacioretty – Kristo and Leblanc are not exactly smurfs.  Waiting for their young puck moving defencemen that they desperately need in this new NHL and keeping the younger and bigger Goalie (with more potential, which is a dangerous word in the pros), albeit if it sets them back in that dept a year.  I want to see Price in 2 yrs and Halak in 2 yrs before I open my mouth too much, but I see them going in differant directions from this moment on.  Halak is a veteren now with a bad glove and a small stature.  When the pads reduce again, he will have trouble taking up space, but that is enough about St Louis’s goalie :)

  564. jennifer1984 says:

    i also would have loved to have kept Moore and Metro.

    too bad but i guess you do what you gotta.

  565. cashbagg says:

    David Fischer….LOL another “stellar” first round pick by our favorite hockey team.

  566. JIMVINNY says:

    You mean the “cap”?  You make it sounds as if the habs are a team playing to a budget rather than the cap.  We went over last year, and we’ll be right up against it this year.  What’s the problem?

  567. NightRyder says:

    I liked Moore too, would have rather had him than Boyd.

    <Tosses out hook> But we have to overpay Gomez, so the cuts have to come somewhere.

  568. TripleX says:

    ROFL  So true, but I do like the moves they made and Chicago is definetly weaker.

     

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  569. yehaken says:

    Réjean Houle II

  570. timbo_habfan says:

    it has been stated that the Habs have to overpay signing players due to taxes. does someone have a ballpark of how much this is? Using the Halak signing, if he got $15/4 years, what is the comparable Montreal rate? $16, 17mill over 4 years?

  571. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    what a nightmare this team is becoming…or has become.

    Koviu gone/Ryder gone/Souray Gone/Begin gone/Kovy gone/Halak gone/Moore gone….etc etc…. anybody with a sense of pride, hardwork and GUTS….gone.

  572. Bill J says:

    Funny – but with the exception of the two “last year” Hab players.

    ALL those names, where replaced by people who had better stats this past season, then the departed’s stats on their new teams.

    All your hinting at, is back firing on you.  That Halak & Moore will likely NOT have better stats then Price & Eller/Boyd.

    Go back to school professor, it’s basic NHL mathematics, better stats = more success. 

    ;)

  573. B says:

    Trotter is not under contract and is not at the development camp.

  574. Mark C says:

    He is an RFA, and I am assuming he signs a contract. Not being at this development camp means nothing. None of the unsigned RFA’s are there.

  575. andrewberkshire says:

    The MABPivotis usually accompanied by the JasonDrinks™.


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