Goodbye, Columbus … and hello, Tampa Bay reports Guy Boucher has taken the head coaching job with the Lightning.

At 38, Boucher becomes the youngest coach in the NHL – and possibly the best-educated..

Earlier today, the Columbus Post-Dispatch reported Boucher had turned down an offer to coach the Blue Jackets.

“Montreal”, posting on the Post-Dispatch story, says Columbus turned down two requests by Boucher: “bringing
with him his coaching staff and having carte blanche on ‘hockey’

Martin Leclerc’s exclusive story at reports Boucher’s assistants, Martin Raymond et Daniel Lacroix, will accompany him to Florida.

There’s a McGill connection to all of this.

Tampa Bay general manager Steve Yzerman worked with Mike Babcock in Detroit.

Babcock is a McGill grad and played for the Redmen, as did Boucher.

Raymond was Boucher’s teammate at McGill and coached the Redmen for 12 years before joining Boucher in Hamilton this season.

At the Canadiens development camp last week, Boucher said he was keeping his options open.

It seems those options included at least two two NHL offers.

Boone and Basu on Boucher

• Pat Hickey on Louis Leblanc

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Happy birthday, Mike Cammalleri.

28 today.



  1. TorontoHabsFan says:

    If those were his requests it would appear that he didn’t really want the job – I’m pretty sure he expected them to turn down those stipulations.

  2. longtimehabsfan says:

    Forgot to give kudos to Boone for the Philip Roth reference.

  3. lavie says:

    I am not surprised. Boucher knows where he can be watched and appreciated.

  4. punkster says:

    Yes, I suppose I did, in a round about way. Tit for Tat. Whatever. Night-night. Ta-ta for now.


  5. Chris says:

    Hard to say that they are worse…pretty much equally annoying, as far as I can tell.

    Only thing more annoying are those cynical stats geeks…oh wait…that’s me!  :)

  6. SeriousFan09 says:

    Aside from the fact that he scouted out and planned against the Capitals and Penguins, organized the special teams while managing the personnel? Yes I’ve always felt he’s very 1-dimensional… I’ve always been in favour of Muller on the staff but I just don’t think doing the job he has done the last 4 years it would be a good transition to being head coach. He has relationships with all of those players based on the position he works in, the minute he’s the head coach, that all changes and it’s a challenge for both him and the players to adjust. I say again, it is rare assistant coachs become head coachs in the same organization. Look around the league.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  7. HardHabits says:

    I know you are but what am I?

  8. HardHabits says:

    I call it the ad HIOminem argument.

  9. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I’m not talking about wrong or right, your opinion may be right or it may be wrong, same goes for my opinion on the subject,  I just don’t like having to argue a point over and over again when in the end it’s just one persons opinion.

  10. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    You haven’t added anything relevant, and you slagged me, I guess that means you’re a hypocrite.  Timo supporter,  that explains a lot about how usefull you are.  Sod off.

  11. punkster says:

    That’s the ticket. If you can’t add something relevant…slag the others! At least they’re not over-the-hill, set-in-their-ways, can’t-see-any-opinion-but-their-own, they’re-right-because-they’re-older, old farts. They’re even worse than young’uns.


  12. SeriousFan09 says:

    26 actually and if I knew everything, I wouldn’t be hanging around here I’d be scouting for the Montreal Canadiens. If I was never wrong, Price would have been the starting goalie in nets, Kostitsyns would have had a bounce-back season and Moore would’ve been a non-factor in the playoffs.

    I’m capable of admitting fault, but I just don’t see Muller moving up in the organization to take over head coach of the Canadiens. It’s nothing against Muller but for a person in his particular position, being the player’s coach and having no previous head coaching experience I just don’t think he seems like the man to take over the bench.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  13. HardHabits says:

    He who smelled it dealt it.

  14. TommyB says:

    Your comment regarding Martin and consistency is something that can’t be judged in a single season.  I have the same doubts as you, but we will need at least one more year, or a good part of it, to be able to assess the consistency of Martin as coach of this team.  The word “patience” does not sit well with many Habs fans.  I get a bit antsy too, at times.

    I give most of the credit to the players for their efforts in this year’s playoffs, and as you say, Halak’s heriocs.  Coaching played a role as well, but a smaller role perhaps.

  15. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    I wouldn’t even bother wasting your time debating with these two, they’re part of the “we’re 22 year olds that know everything and are never wrong” clique that hangs out here daily on H I/O.

  16. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Muller will be a head coach in the NHL, mark my words.  If the habs step over him for Boucher it will be a mistake.

  17. SeriousFan09 says:

    The AHL is a professional league, so Boucher has spent a year coaching paid professionals already and who play for two different reasons. The young men who play to make the NHL and the elder players who are playing for their living as they know they’re AHL men. Boucher’s meeting the challenges so far of being a pro level coach and even exceeding expectations, which is why i consider him a very viable candidate to take over the Montreal bench.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    Paid his dues? I’m sorry I didn’t know the Montreal Canadiens was a union gig. If Boucher is the more intelligent, talented and able candidate than it is well within the rights of the organization to make him the head coach of the Canadiens. Boucher has recieved great praise for his excellent results, a League championship last year in the Q, this year he led a depleted Bulldogs squad that the Canadiens often tapped for injury replacement to the 2nd-best record in the AHL with numerous team records broken and a Conference Final in the AHL Playoffs. I don’t know if he’s a Scotty Bowman, but I do know he continues to produce results consistently.

    Muller’s yet to be the head coach of any pro-level hockey team and he has to go from being the player’s coach to the head coach, a very different role with a whole different set of responsibilites to go with it. Offering him Hamilton is his shot to coach at a pro level and see if he can perform the duties required there.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  19. HardHabits says:

    Muller is lighter but Boucher tastes better.

  20. mrhabby says:

    a disgrace…….ah disagree. i don’t see anybody walking over thing to do is leave it as status quo more year of experience for both in same position.

  21. HardHabits says:

    SlimyDog. I am saying nothing you suggest. There doesn’t need to be a chasm. Only that a head coach job at Hamilton is not a demotion. A demotion involves a lower salary and if that’s what he gets then I would have to agree. If it’s part of a bigger plan as in development, gaining experience, etc than not.

    I will say this though that no two people’s path need to be the same to get to the same destination. If Muller is asked to go to Hamilton it would have to be with a reason. The Habs on the other hand know that Muller could still be courted by NJ as head coach or other teams. 

  22. terrygain says:

    If what you say about Boucher is true (and I tend to agree with you) how on earth is he going to work with anyone as dumb as JM? I hope he stays in Hamilton so Martin doesn’t take him down with him.  The head coaching job in Montreal will be open during the 2010/2011 season.

  23. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    If the Habs demote Kirk to the Bulldogs and bring Boucher in to take his place I consider that walking over him.  He should be the next in line to take over the habs coaching duties, he has paid his dues and proven himself in the NHL.  Boucher hasn’t done squat in the NHL, yet all the media and fans on this site talk about the guy like he is the next Scotty Bowman,  it’s laughable.

  24. SeriousFan09 says:

    Boucher has coached a bench at the pro level for a year, which is 1 more year than Muller has on his resume. There is a difference between being an assistant coach and being a head coach and it’s notable. What does a pro hockey player’s career experience have to do with
    coaching anyway? How well did that work out for Gretzky?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  25. J.T. says:

    Tommy, I wonder how much of the Habs success this spring had anything at all to do with the coaching?  Most competent coaches, looking at video, would likely have come up with a “keep them to the outside and block shots like crazy” plan, or some variant of it, considering the pieces available on the Habs roster.  I honestly think this year’s playoff had more to do with the willingness of the guys to execute the plan, including taking a lot of physical abuse to do so than any brilliant coaching.  Then, of course, there were Halak’s heroics.   Without Hal Gill and Josh Gorges blocking dozens of shots, Cammalleri catching fire and Halak standing on his head, Muller, Martin and all the rest of them are just another bunch of unsatisfactory coaches bringing unsatisfactory results.  The matter is up for debate as to whether the players were willing to buy into the plan because Martin and/or Muller inspired them to do so, or simply because they’re proud players who wanted to do whatever they could to win.  It’s not a knock on Martin.  He and his staff did, after all, make the plan.  The players made it work.

    The one thing I keep hearing about Boucher that gives me hope if he’s to become the Habs’ next coach…again, big IF…is he consistently makes his players willing to work for him.  He gets to know them, he respects them as people and he works within their strengths.  In that regard, a coach who’s able to get performances out of his team like the ones we saw out of our Habs this spring, on a consistent basis, would be very welcome.  Is that likely to happen with Martin?  His previous experience in Ottawa and Florida would suggest not, but then maybe he just didn’t have the right players.

  26. SeriousFan09 says:

    Who’s walking over Muller? He was praised non-stop for the entire playoffs. He’s been credited with running our highly efficient special teams for several seasons. There is talk he’ll be getting head coaching offers around the league.

    I like Muller, his role as the assistant coach handling special teams and being the player coach has been great for Montreal, but I also acknowledge that the player coach is usually not the best guy to take over the head coaching role. It’s an entirely different dynamic between the players and the coach and the relationship Muller has with the players now is one he couldn’t continue as the head coach. Assistant coachs do not generally take over head coaching positions of the teams they are involved with. When’s the last time an assistant got bumped to head coach on a long term basis in the NHL for the same club?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  27. notbigbird says:

    GB has a lot more head coaching experience though.

    Having said that, I think Muller will be a good coach somewhere. Becoming the head coach in Hamilton might possibly speed his journey.

  28. SmartDog says:

    I guy like Boucher knows that he needs the right tools, the right siutation to do things his way. If the other reports are true, he wanted control and they wouldn’t give it.  And maybe he’s going to get taht control in Montreal.  

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  29. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Exactly, it’s a disgrace how the fans and media have walked right over Kirk and his acomplishments.  Sad how we eat our own in Montreal.

  30. HardHabits says:

    Is there anything that you do understand. Let me draw it in crayon for you.

    Today Muller is an assistant head coach, albeit in the NHL. If he goes to Hamilton, he’ll be a head coach, thus it’s a step in the right direction to becoming an NHL head coach as he has no experience as a head coach at any level. So it’s neither a demotion nor a slap.

  31. TommyB says:

    I was never excited about JM becoming the coach in Montreal, and I was never among the anti-Carbo group.  That being said, you can’t overlook the success of the Habs this spring under Martin’s command.  There are some bloggers who will have you believe that Muller was the guy running the show, and no doubt he had much input, but I don’t believe anything Muller did or said trumped Martin’s ideas and strategy.  Assistants are there for their input.  They are not there just to distribute pucks during practice.  Assistants are there to complete a coaching staff, and that is exactly what Muller did.  Muller is a valuable piece, but still an underling.

    In Muller and in Boucher, the Habs have the prospect of a bright future…perhaps.  I say perhaps because until either one actually accomplishes something greater, they remain prospects.  And I am happy to see those prospects in the Montreal system.  Jesus Christ SuperStar?  The jury is still out.  And as you say, the pendulum nevers ceases to swing in Montreal when it comes to it’s fans.  And by the same token, the Montreal fans are seldom prepared for when the other shoe drops.

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    Blackmail on the GM, Owners and Nash and I’m talking first-class dirt.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  33. ed lopaz says:

    Rick Nash – now we’re talking…man, what would it take to get Nash???

  34. 24 Cups says:

    hs – I doubt there is any chance that Kovalchuk or Marleau are coming to Montreal.  I expect Kovalchuk to break the bank and I’m also sure that some team will give Marleau a solid deal.  We spent our money last year, so I would expect other teams will be rolling the dice this summer.

  35. crabvader says:

    This is great news!

  36. JIMVINNY says:

    Muller needs to change something up in order to get the head job he deserves.  Coaching the Bulldogs will be the test he needs to prove what he’s got.  And I’ll be very happy for him if he finds success with the Bulldogs and receives an NHL offer next year.  I’ll thank him for what he’s done, and hope he succeeds wherever he ends up (except for the nights his team plays the habs). 

    But Guy Boucher is clearly the next in line for the head coach position with the habs.  He is one of the first of what I think will be the new wave of coaches in the NHL; Educated, intelligent, and empathetic.  He doesn’t go in with a system he’s going to force his players to play, as most coaches do.  Instead, he designs a system around his players abilities.  This alone is enough to achieve success with most teams, but that’s not where it ends; He gets in the players heads, and learns what motivates them, then uses that to the teams advantage.  He is a pioneer in his field, and I think he’s going to be the model for other young coaches going forward. 

    That, and he might be the first coach for the habs in a long time that achieves any type of success with our prospects.  Because we’ve reaaly struggled in that regard for a while.

  37. spos080808 says:

    Bc Muller wants a NHL coaching job as does Boucher. So Muller/Boucher will flip jobs…Boucher gets on the Habs bench and gains NHL experience and Muller goes to Hamilton to get experience as a coach…Then in the next year or so Montreal either promotes Boucher or Muller as head coach while Martin goes to the front office. Which ever coach is left out, he will go onto another NHL franchise to be a head coach.


    Timo is the biggest joke & fraud in the history of hockey “fans”

  38. 24 Cups says:

    Tommy – It’s hard not to smile at how this is all unfolding.  Last summer, most people thought bringing in the experienced Martin was a good move.  Especially after having the hate on for Carbo (even though the team did no better under Gainey’s command).  Now, even after reaching the final four, Martin still gets little credit (not saying I’m a big fan, but fair is fair).  Some people can’t wait for him to go (fat chance with his contract and connections).

    Now Boucher is the new Hab saviour as fans have quickly anointed him as JCSS.  I’m sure he’s a sharp guy but it is funny how the pendulum swings here in Montreal.

    Regardless, the coaching job in Columbus might just be a great gig for some coach trying to make his mark.  There are a lot of positive pieces in place that just might quickly transform Columbus  into a playoff team.

  39. sidhu says:

    Why not have Muller and Boucher as assistants to JM?  (Sorry, Pearn).

  40. lavie says:

    The title should have been “No sir. Thanks!”

  41. spos080808 says:

    Many of you need to calm down. This is no different than Claude Julien & Don Lever…99% of Habs thought those 2 would be the next greatest things in coaching when they were with Hamilton and winning.



    Timo is the biggest joke & fraud in the history of hockey “fans”

  42. SmartDog says:

    As a leader you need good people around you.   I don’t love JM but to get where he is he’s probably smart enought to know that Boucher has talent and you want talent on your team.

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  43. SeriousFan09 says:

    2 different situations of course, but the issues regarding them will also display what kind of commitment they want to throw at the team and if they consider themselves Canadiens. Rick Nash signed a very favourable contract with CBJ over an 8-year term because of his commitment to the team and other players have done the same in recent years. See what happens.



    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  44. TommyB says:

    This news really kinda floors me.  I never would have expected Boucher to turn down this opportunity.  We can all speculate on why he turned it down.  Maybe the Habs have informed him of some plan, or maybe there are other teams knocking on his door as well.  Or…Boucher is just not like everyone else.  Who knows.  It will be interesting to see what actually does develop over the summer with this story.

    But for the time being at least, Boucher is still in the Habs organization.  And that can’t be a bad thing.

  45. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    I have the greatest respect for Muller. He’s ready to move it up, and he will be a great coach. It’s not that I want him to go because he brings a lot to the spectacle we call the Habs. But he is ready for the next level.

    Boucher? I hope McKenzie’s right. I’d like to see him at work, and if he is being groomed to replace Martin, I like the stability and planning that suggests. We’re all guessing and we’re all still spectators, but I’d like to believe there is a methodical reconstruction of our shabby old organization going on. Last summer’s deadwood player cleanout, this Spring’s scouting shake-up, and more… I hope we’ve all learned that we don’t have to settle for Kovalev doing globetrotters’ tricks to be entertained by a guy in a habs sweater. The team remains an unknown quality in many ways, but the off ice organization should be able to do a little more than flashy marketing. Let’s all hope…

  46. habs4later says:

    SCOT ARNIEL will be named the new Columbus coach.

  47. ed lopaz says:

    plekanec – Born Oct 31 1982, 27.5 years old

    halak- born May 13 1985, just turned 25

    2.5 years difference between them.

    ok – my error.

    but the point was restricted vs unrestricted free agency.


  48. SeriousFan09 says:

    Muller is the “Player’s Coach”, those guys rarely take over the teams they are the assistant coach for, they go from having one kind of relationship with the players to a completely different one and it can be very disruptive.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  49. SeriousFan09 says:

    Plekanec is 27, Halak is 25, that’s a 2 year age difference.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  50. SmartDog says:

    Hey G-man.  You gotta know what you want.  Whether what you’re doing is goofy (like you’re suggesting) or good is entirely about the QUALITY of the list.

    I’m not saying Gauthier needs to have brown hair and get along with his mom.  I’m saying he’s gotta properly resolve key issues and make the most of our resources.  I’m saying it up front to keep myself honest. If he does a majority of these things (4 of 7) I’ll have to say he did pretty well.  If he does say 1 or 2, I’ll be able to say clearly that he failed in doing the thigns I thought were important to be done.   And stuff like “decent rate” means that if he signs people at way above going rates (cough-you-know-how-cough), that’s not good resource management.  Like I hope he keeps Halak but not at 6 mil a year.


    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  51. ed lopaz says:

    plekanec and halak are at different stages of their careers.

    plekanec is 5 years older, and is unrestricted – he will follow the highest bidder – and I believe the team can not afford what he will get offered on the open market

    halak is still young, (relatively speaking) inexperienced and unproven. he will get a short term deal, 2 years at about 4 million.

    price, who is much younger still, needs another year to get his feet settled under him.

    marleau intrigues me – he is big and fast and scores. he is a significant upgrade to plekanec,

    and I would rather have his size and gomez than plekanec and gomez.(who are the same type of player)


  52. mrhabby says:

    if GB system requires a fast mobile defense one could assume we could see some changes this summer yes or no.

  53. TomNickle says:

    Turn that 6 upside down and smile!

  54. TomNickle says:

    You’re right to a certain degree Ed.  I believe we have a roster full of players who would rather win a cup than earn $8 million instead of $5 million.

    We are going to find out very soon if Pleks and Halak are in that boat too.

    If not, I think we can pursue some players by way of trade and free agency that fit the mold.

    Marleau and Kovalchuk may very well fit that mold.

    One player who doesn’t, is Andrei Kostitsyn, as is his brother, as is Alex Kovalev.

    I personally don’t think that either Halak or Plekanec will be those guys.

    I think their respective agents are going to look at cashing in on a weak free agent class.

    I think Biron is the perfect fit to backup Price or be our starter and I think that Marleau or Lombardi are great fits to sacrifice numbers for the good of a championship.


  55. andrewberkshire says:

    Mike, in what world are you dreaming in to think anyone could get Kovalchuk for 6 million?

  56. Price_31 says:

    YAY! I hope Bob McKenzie’s right!

  57. Storm Man says:

    6mil will never get Kovalchuk here in Montreal. KHL has put a offer of 14 mil per year to play.

  58. alestar says:

    Good news, the guy is a keeper, next head coach of the Habs…


    XXIV…and counting

  59. ed lopaz says:

    i see what your saying – but….2 things to consider

    1) Kovy is sipping the same vodka that the other kovy sipps – not exactly team oriented, and i really think the leadership on this team will not tolerate selfish type players

    2) the bidding war will make it nearly impossible for the habs to prevail.

    pure talent, no brainer, kovalchuk is a better player.

    but on this team, and realistic chance to sign, i think marleau is a better fit.

    what i was trying to impress on you was that marleau needs a change of scenery, and you never know how good a guy like that can become once the specific problems of san jose have been removed.

  60. B says:

    Good news. Perhaps there is truth to the talk he waits to move until he gets a good chance to succeed? Who knows, it is still good news for the Habs.

  61. mike g says:

    OK, let me put it this way…

    Someone gives you the choice between signing Kovy or Marleau, who do you pick? 50 goals, or 30? Right handed shot or left handed (because we only have 2 right handed shots upfront)?

    lol, I think it’s an extreamly easy decision. For the same money, I’ll take the most dynamic UFA since the lockout in a heartbeat…

    Trade/Buyout Hammr and AK. Saves us either 8.5 mill or 6.5 mill. Use that to sign Kovy, and find a way to keep Pleks. Immagine a line of Pleks, Kovy and Cammy. Sign Pleks before Kovy though, cuz playing with him will make Pleks an 80+ point centerman. That’s minimum 6 mill these days.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  62. warriorhockey says:

    well if Guy Boucher comes up we can say good bye to muller :(

  63. ed lopaz says:

    marleau had a good playoffs this year – 8 goals I believe.

    also, some guys take some time, and even a change of team, to perform in the playoffs.

    he is big, extremely fast, and I think it would be a very good fit for the habs.

    if I was part of the habs brass, I would be looking at marleau very seriously.

    i understand your point of view, just think that Gionta and cie might be exactly what the Dr, ordered to take marleau to the next level.

  64. G-Man says:

    Hey, SD, this, um…’s…well, let’s just say it’s a little too much of the “woman looking for a perfect man list.”

    Moving Price for a good return? Very difficult, with most teams goalie rich at cheap rates (Leighton).

    This decent rate stuff? What’s that? Getting value for salary spent? As
    such, what do you think a 20 goal scoring net crasher is worth?

    Pleks played very well throughout the playoffs, offensively and defensively, as well as Cammy. The culprit on their line offensively was the invisible AK. Pleks is worth the cap hit. He delivers consistent determination and effort.

    Why trade Markov? Habs are way better with him than without him.

    K bros are problems. GMs trade those, too. Who is a $4.5 mil problem?

    Keep Moore at a low rate may work if Habs give him term, like 3-4 seasons. Pyatt will remain cheap for years yet, so no worries there.

  65. mike g says:

    I used to talk with my friends and on HIO about Eklund rumors a while back, when I 1st discovered him…

    But it’s 4 years I go on his site, and he’s just one big joke. I won’t even start saying more on him, or I’ll never end..

    But Marleau, no thanks. Never liked him, never will. He’ll give you 30+ goals in 82 games guaranteed, but after that??? I’d rather pay 6 mill per year to Kovalchuk than 6 mill to Marleau. Were comparing a natural scorer, 50 goal threat every year to Marleau.

    Easy choice for me…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  66. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Yeah, it sure seems like he turned them down without actually turning them down. This way he doesn’t look ungrateful.

  67. Don Carnage says:

    Well this might be a good thing, He might end up in Edmonton or somewhere else to be continued …

  68. hab_skill says:

    Was just wasting my time in Hockeybuzz. Ek mentioned Marleau in MTL. I know he doesn’t knowwhat he is talking about but… Good Idea? Also, Eric Engels says that Kirk Muller has been offered the head coaching job in Hamilton. Thoughts?  

  69. SmartDog says:

    That’s AWESOME news. 

    I hope this means Boucher will end up the Habs coach this year or next.  Last week I posted 7 things that to me will largely decide if Gauthier is a good GM or not.

    Boucher is an important one of the 7.  For interest (since it’s a slow news day), here’s the list.  I’m going to keep an eye on it.



    He keeps one of Halak/Price for a decent rate for 3-4 years and gets a
    very good return on the other.

    2. He bags up a big, net crashing
    top-6 20+ goal scorer that we’ve needed forever – at a decent rate.

    He EITHER lands Pleks at about 4.5 mil OR magically strikes a deal to
    shop Gomez out and brings in a big centre, signing Pleks for a little
    more (but still a bargain compared to Gomer).  OR… failing that gets
    SOMETHING worthwhile out of Plkks (which he failed to do at the trade
    deadline – see my sig below… how much did Pleks help us in the
    playoffs? How much COULD we have had?)

    4. He manages to KEEP
    BOUCHER one way or another.

    5. He either extends Markov’s deal by
    2-3 years for the same or less, OR he trades him for a strong return.

    He ships one or preferably both of the Brothers K for a decent retun. 
    Both guys are relatively inexpensive with a high potential upside.  The
    right team would be interested.

    7. He extends Pyatt and Moore for
    a couple of years at a modest rate.



    1. He lets Halak or Price go for very little.

    He fails (as Gainey did) to get us this big net-crashing power forward
    we desperately need.

    3. He lets Pleks waslk for nothing or almost
    nothing OR signs him at over 5 mil (I love Pleks but we can’t afford

    4. He loses Boucher (and we get to keep JM… uh, yay…..

    5. He doesn’t do anything with Markov or over-pays (anything
    more than what he is getting now is too much).

    6. He keeps the
    Bros K or gets little for them.  They have high potential and are
    budget-friendly. Despite some obvious knocks those two factors mean he
    shoudl get SOMETHING good.

    7. He does nothing wiht Moore and Pyatt
    who both played above expecations wehre it counts – in the playoffs.



    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  70. longtimehabsfan says:

    Guy Boucher = Fletcher Christian

    JM = Captain Bligh  (sp?)

  71. longtimehabsfan says:

    Doesn’t make sense.  Carte blanche on hockey decisions?  He hasn’t even coached in the NHL yet.

  72. Omit says:

    You’ve seen Mutiny on the Bounty too many times.

  73. habs4later says:

    that’s great news.

    but if Boucher becomes JM’s assistant can they coexist together?   I mean Boucher’s hockey philosophy is totally the opposite of Jm’s.     I think the players would listen to Boucher in spite of JM.

    make him assistant, then JM will be fored for sure next year when the Molson’s realize that the players will only respect and abide by Boucher’s requests.

  74. mrhabby says:

    love it…great news. maybe geoff molson had a round table discussion and upt the ante to keep GB in the organization. going out on a limp here and maybe he becomes JM ass’t. won’t that be a clash of ideals i bet JM has his knickers in a twist over this after a successful 1st year. posters say let him go to the blue jackets. thats all great and if he is successful he may not come back to montreal…shit happens. this way molson controls his key people. bad about columbus..iam crying. scott howson or whatever.


  75. SeriousFan09 says:

    Agree, it seems peculiar considering their styles don’t really match up. We’ll see how it goes though if that is what happens.

    Generally happy about the news, the hockey gods smile on us today.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  76. andrewberkshire says:

    Don’t like the idea of Boucher as an assistant, I’d rather him a head coach of Hamilton or Montreal. His system completely clashes with JM as well, so I don’t get how it would work.

  77. Caper says:

    If he stays, personally I am very pleased.  JM won;t be around for long. Remember, Martin was listening to Muller a lot during the playoffs. Who knows what the final result is however looking good for the Habs.

  78. Hockey Socks says:

    Well Boucher says he coaches people, not systems. It could compliment JM’s style of teaching a strict system. Boucher could get used to how the NHL works and see how he could adjust his system when the time comes to take over. Meanwhile, Muller finally gets to have his own team down in Hamilton since it looks like Therrien will be coaching NJ.

  79. Storm Man says:

    Simple Boucher runs his system and JM is the face guy for now.

  80. Psycho29 says:

    @ Tony242….

    If the Habs were such a pro-francophone organization as you claim, Muller and Pearn would be gone and the Habs wouldn’t have let Guy Boucher and his assistants Martin Raymond and Daniel Lacroix leave.

    You can say what you want about our “47% winning pct” (which is actually 54% if you look at 88 pts out of a possible 164), but would you prefer a team with a 50% win pct (I’ll meet you halfway) that works hard in the playoffs and makes it to the Conference Finals (The final four) or a team that glides through the regular season with 121 points and gets knocked out in the first round by an 8th place team?

    And yes, Halak was a major reason for our success in the playoffs, but last time I looked the goalie is part of the team…..

  81. Kooch7800 says:

    Good Luck Boucher!  Too bad Mtl.  Now the whole coaching staff from the dogs is now with the Tampa.    I saw a few Bulldogs games this year and they were very well coached and executed quite well as a team.

  82. Mr.Hazard says:


    “We didn’t give up and we are not giving up.” – Jaroslav Halak

  83. Habs64 says:

    Strasburg starting for Expos tonight wooot!!

  84. habs4later says:

    what is wrong with a coach that has never won a cup.? what is wrong with a coach that doesn’t know how to talk to players?   What is wrong with a coach that never made the playoffs, not even once inb Florida as coach, and not as GM there as well?

  85. SmartDog says:

    A great coach is the turbo-charger that makes your team run faster, hotter, and capable of winning a race ahead of others who have similar equipment under the hood. 

    We just lost what could have been our greatest advantage. I do not believe Martin can outcoach Boucher, so this is a setback.

    And for my “7 things” list that I am going to measure Gauthier by he just got a fail on what I had already said was the most important.  1 FAIL, 6 tests to go.

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  86. SmartDog says:

    Really Shane?  Is there a type of person who does that?  :)

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  87. TomNickle says:

    Boucher going to Tampa Bay doesn’t change our needs on the NHL roster one bit.

    Once the panic and depression has ceased I’m sure the Vinny to Montreal rumours will fire up again.

    Followed briefly by the St. Louis to Montreal rumours.

    Then the inevitable, Gomez must be traded crowd coming back in bunches.


  88. Bill J says:

    Hey Tony242 !

    You keep slamming Gainey as part of your conspiracy for letting Boucher walk ?

    Man are you a class A idiot.


    Boucher didn’t just walk into Hamilton and just take over the team because he felt like it.

    WTF is wrong with you!

  89. TommyB says:

    When I last checked in to HIO (last evening), I read that Boucher had turned down the Columbus offer.  I mentioned that I was floored by that news.  That he would turn down an NHL offer, and advance his career.   But I also mentioned that it could be some other team was knocking at his door.  The sun came up this morning, nothing changes there, and now I read that Boucher has taken an offer from Tampa Bay.  Turns out Boucher is not the exception to the rule.  A chance to advance his career was taken, just as anyone else would do.  No change there, either.

    Boucher was a fortunate individual, in the fact that he had two (or more) NHL teams asking for his services.  And why not?  His resume is pretty impressive, and he’s closer to the age of today’s player.  Being younger and closer to the player’s in age is something that should not be downplayed.  This is extremely important in today’s game, IMO.  These kids think differently than previous generations.  They have different motivations ( $$$ ), than  previous generations.  Boucher, with his phsycology degrees, fully understands this and knows what buttons to push on these guys. 

    Boucher chose Tampa Bay over Columbus.  In the words of Homer Simpson…”Doh!”  A no-brainer by anyones’s standards.  A decent cast of veteran stars mixed with maybe an even better mix of younger budding superstars.  Add in new ownership, and the Ace-in-the-hole of Steve Yzerman as your boss, and it becomes something you just can’t turn down.  I believe Boucher will be in Tampa for a long time.  I believe he will be very successful there, so forget about Boucher’s  eventual return to Montreal.  Ain’t gonna happen.

    The Habs will go on.  The sun will rise again tomorrow.  There will be an eventual successor to J. Martin.  He will speak french.  Players will come and go.  They will win the Stanley Cup……wait a minute….allow me to take another swig of coffee here, as that last bit was definitely going too far.  Anyway, life as a Habs fan goes on.  Time now to look at the upcoming draft, and kick the crap out of everything the Habs do, and don’t do, at the draft table.


  90. Caper says:

    Good point Tom. I am not a Martin fan however he adapted very well during the playoffs and he appeared to listen to Muller and Pearn. Everything I read about Boucher points to a guy being very successful in the NHL. Of course time will tell. I’m sorry to see him go however we reached the conference finals with JM so enough said. I can’t help but wonder if St. Patrick comes home sometime soon.

  91. TomNickle says:

    And what if Gauthier replaces Boucher with a man who goes behind our bench in 5 years and wins 3 cups?

  92. Caper says:

    Yes! Still my fav BB team. 

  93. punkster says:

    Wait a minute, hold on there! What about the Price/Halak debate? And the demands to trade Hamrlik and MAB? Come one Tom, the list of gripes and whines is much longer than just Vinny, Marty and Gomer. Then there’s the smurf/midget/tiny tots crowd to be heard from. Where does it all end?


  94. TomNickle says:

    Joe Sacco looks pretty safe in Colorado so it wouldn’t surprise me.  I just can’t see that God-complexed shell of a man taking any position that didn’t have him in the spotlight 24/7.

  95. Caper says:

    I know. he bugs me too and I’ll never forget his actions 11/95. However, two Stanley Cups make me very forgiving. Hey Patrick! If you can read this Patrick Roy was French!

  96. TomNickle says:

    I’m sure they’re reaching out to him right now about going to Hamilton.

  97. Caper says:

    I don’t know. I live 5 mins from Hamilton and while I have no issue with the city like many others, I just can’t see him living there.

  98. Caper says:

    Was he really blocked?

  99. 123456 says:

    OK, 100% serious question. Can someone explain to me why Boucher is such a great coach? The Bulldogs did very well this year but I was not impressed with their playoff run… played three teams well behind them in the standings and went 6, 6, and 7 games. Yes I know Subban was not there the entire time.

    No name calling or anything, I just want an understanding of why he is such a great coach.

  100. SmartDog says:

    Then he’s a lot better than I think he is.

    I don’t see it happening. I do think there is reason to believe Boucher is a rare breed that WILL create a champion.  Do you feel that way about Martin?  Gauthier?

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  101. avatar_58 says:

    They lost their stars to injuries and callups, I’d say they did pretty well. In fact I’d go so far as to say Sanford cost them round 3, since he let in enough softies to lose 2 potential elimination games.

    Imagine if the NHL wasn’t in the picture and the bulldogs stars remained healthy (Pacioretty, Weber, Carle, etc, + Subban/Maxwell/Pyatt in the minors). They would have gone all the way. Except the NHL is obviously more important and bringing up Subban nearly took us all the way.

    Can’t fault Boucher, I can’t believe they managed to win nonstop despite the roster constantly changing.

  102. 123456 says:

    Good post, Tampa does have a decent footprint but after next season they need to resign stamkos and maybe st. louis… will cost a lot.

  103. Caper says:

    Just google his name. I respect Bob mcKenzie of TSN and he thinks a lot of this guy. When Patrick Roy was considering the offer to coach Colorado, Guy Boucher was his top choice to take with him as an assistant. He’s educated, intelligent and innovative. This doesn’t mean he will succeed however from a corpoarate standpoint, he is the young guy everyone looks at and says someday he will run the organization.

  104. TomNickle says:

    I know what you’re saying, I was just trying to make the point that hinging the future of this franchise on Guy Boucher isn’t realistic and there’s currently too much overreaction to his departure.

    I believe that his system used with the proper personnel has the potential to revolutionize the game, Possibly to the point where play is taken from 5 skaters at even strength to 4.

    However, this Habs roster isn’t a good fit for a 38 year old coach right now.  In five years, yes.  But not now.  And I don’t see him returning as soon as there is a vacancy here.

    Gauthier has made two moves.  Called up Pyatt and traded for Moore.  Notice how he traded next year’s 2nd rounder knowing that Fischer was going to get him 2nd round pick compensation?  That’s a pretty intelligent move.

    The jury is still out, and if he signs Paul Kariya I’m going to be cursing in more than two languages, but we do have to give him a chance because there aren’t any proven successors out there now.

  105. ed lopaz says:

    I’m just speculating like everyone else here, no inside info whatsoever, but here are 2 big reasons why St Patrick will not be going to Hamilton.

    1) he co-OWNS the Remparts, and has built one of the top major junior businesses in the country.

    2) he is less than 1 year from joining the new Quebec Nordiques franchise.

    why Gainey hired jacques martin is the real question here – and the terms, 4 years, huge penalties, its just absurd, and frankly a huge managerial mistake.


  106. TomNickle says:

    I don’t see it as a managerial mistake Ed.

    He hired an experienced coach and surrounded him with a leadership group that is second to none in the NHL.

    It opens the door in 3 years to bring along Kristo, Leblanc, Bennett, Yemelin and the goalies with a fresh face.

    The future core looks just as good as the current core in my eyes and I think Martin is a good fit for the current roster.  

  107. ed lopaz says:

    How does Fischer get us a second round pick – have I missed something here?

    Fischer has to be offered a contract first by the habs, which he then has to decline to accept.

    Then we get compensation.

    Last I heard, unless I missed the news today, Fischer is not even invited to the Habs development camp, forget about being offered a contract.

  108. terrygain says:

    Martin coached Ottawa from 95/96 to 03/04. Alfredsson had  26 goals in 95/96, then 24, 17, and 11 over the next 3 seasons. Some development. Spezza played one full year under Martin – 03/04 and had 55 points. In 05/06, his first season without Martin “developing” him, he had 90 points. Fisher’s numbers in his 5 seasons without Martin “developing” him are much better than his 5 seasons under Martin. The improvement after Martin is significant.

    Try again Tom. And try to use a little class next time.  

  109. TomNickle says:

    If the player can have a $60k/year job and choose where he gets to live instead of a $50k/year job in Cincinnatti, he might chose the first option.

  110. ed lopaz says:

    I have to agree to disagree with you on Martin, Tom.

    The way he delt with OB was truly unacceptable. I really like OB’s potential and the coach was not willing to allow him to develop at the NHL level.

    Second, going back to MAB over and over, when it was clear that MAB was way overmatched on defence, that cost us several goals in key situations – and a -11!!! come on.

    Look, I was arguing that if we had missed the playoffs – remember how we barely got in – I would have fired martin.

    I was not at all pleased – then, in the playoffs I kept my mouth shut, because I was brought up to support the troops.

    You often argue that the games were won because the hab players played their hearts out, and I agree.

    I would take it one step further.

    The habs like Gorges, Gionta, Gill, Cammy, Halak, Gomez, Darche, Metropolit, Moore, etc,  these guys would play their hearts out FOR ANY COACH.

  111. ed lopaz says:

    not clear about this post – sorry. Has fischer been offered a contract? because, if not, we do not get any compensation in draft picks.

  112. TomNickle says:

    Try again Tom?

    Terry, you are an idiot, plain and simple.  Your favourite player listed on your profile is Andrei Kostitsyn.  You have some nerve trying to lecture anyone about hockey with that kind of player preference.

    You know nothing about hockey.  The last time we spoke you said Jacques Martin didn’t play a 4th line in the playoffs.  I showed you icetime numbers, like say, minutes.  And had proven you wrong.  Instead of conceding that you were incorrect and unfairly attacked that coach you insisted that he made up a rotating 3rd line consisting of 5 players.

    The truth is that he double shifted Cammalleri with the 4th line, but I don’t expect somebody who doesn’t pay attention when watching a hockey game to recognize that.

    You would like to see him play Pouliot, Kostitsyns and O’Byrne through their mistakes.  What you fail to realize is that their unforced mistakes in playoff games cost the team wins and the money that accompanies wins. 

    You have yet to make an intelligent point about how this team plays hockey and all you do is attack people instead of engaging in conversation.  You repeatedly call a man who is a hero in your town an idiot and you are a disgrace to this fan base and your own city.

    By the way, speaking of Peterborough, I’m going to be moving there on the long weekend in July.  In September we can solve who knows more about hockey on the ice.  We’ll grab an hour at the Evinrude on my dime. 

  113. c.robillard says:

    Are you crazy?! That would be an AWESOME Quebec Nordiques team. Shit you’re telling me I can drive 3 hours to go see Lecav, Stammy and St Louis, at half the cost of the bell centre (probably including gas roundtrip).


    That would be awesome!

  114. TomNickle says:

    I don’t disagree with your comment about our leadership group playing the way they did for any coach but I have something to add.

    Whether or not O’Byrne and the Kostitsyns and Pouliot like it.  Martin will teach them how to be professionals.  He is a creature of habit if nothing else and will show them that this isn’t a backyard game, it’s a career.  They need to know there is a business counting on them to not make those mistakes that they don’t seem to be taking seriously.

    O’Byrne is 6’5 correct?  Instead of firing the puck off of the glass in his first playoff action this season he could’ve easily pinned the puck on the boards and waited for help if under pressure.  Mistakes like that and Sergei’s repeated unforced turnovers and total lack of accountability, Andrei’s unwillingness to play anything but a flat footed game.  They have to learn how to become pros before they can be relied on every night and on important nights.  Tell me why Price, Pyatt and Darche can learn this lesson but the others can’t.

  115. ed lopaz says:

    you know I agree with you about learning to be a pro player and that its a business.

    its a question of style.

    I will speculate for a minute that OB is NOT the same attitude as the Tits brothers. At least, I have NEVER read or heard anything about OB being a bad egg on this team.

    If that is correct speculation, and OB is actually a quality guy in the room who works hard in practice, it becomes a question of distiguishing between how you treat players with no heart and no desire, and players who make stupid mistakes but are still giving it everything they’ve got.

    that’s where I draw the line in the sand – as a Midget baseball coach, as a father, as a person.

    if someone is causing me grief, not giving the effort, playing selfishly like Tits brothers, then I say they should “picking splinters from their behinds” (an expression my late father used to use.

    but if someone like OB, is young, still learning, and making mistakes, but trying his guts out, then I say let him play, let him develop, and let him learn.

    its a question of style.

  116. TomNickle says:

    I don’t believe he has but that’s not to say that he won’t be.

    I think it’s quite possible that the team would offer a minimum salary contract and an assurance that he won’t crack Hamilton to ensure that he doesn’t accept the offer.

  117. G-Man says:

    Funny how JM gets all the blame, but no credit for any success. Life with blinders on must be fun.

  118. TomNickle says:

    I don’t think OB is a problem in that way at all.  I just think that Jacques didn’t think he could thrive without Markov in the lineup.  And with Bergeron, you’ve got a guy who’s been through the playoff grind before.  Not saying Bergeron was a better choice, but O’Byrne needs to know that those mistakes aren’t okay that time of year.

  119. HardHabits says:

    Boone went nucleur and deleted his account.

  120. TorontoHabsFan says:

    “I do not believe Martin can outcoach Boucher”

    Jacques Martin, the 8th winningest coach in NHL history, cannot outcoach someone who has never coached a single game in the NHL???

    The Jacques Martin bashing on this website would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pathetically predictable.


  121. HabsFanInTampa says:

    They’re not going to resign St. Louis after this upcoming season. He’s the oldest player on the roster and his $6M a year is too much.

  122. mrhabby says:

    sd…..seems a bit of stretch to say martin cannot out coach boucher. come one now.

  123. ed lopaz says:

    how about going over to him after he took the penalty for dumping the puck into the crowd (the stupidest penalty on the NHL books in my opinion), respectfully telling him that he had other options – like you pointed out Tom.

    “hey OB. next time you’re in that situation, freeze the puck on the boards and wait for help, ok?”

    “thanks coach!”

    its all about “style”. :-)

  124. ed lopaz says:

    ok – now i get it. that might happen.

  125. TomNickle says:

    I have no problem with that in the regular season Ed.  But an elimination game in the playoffs isn’t the time to coddle a player through.  You’ve coached, you know you don’t have the time in a situation like that to settle a player down.  

    First of all, he’s going to be on pins and needles for the rest of the game where another regular would just bounce back.

    Second, his teammates aren’t going to trust him.  They aren’t going to use a reverse behind the net or pinch at the opposing blueline because they aren’t going to trust him as a last line of defense.  It really puts a hamper on the execution creating time and space for everyone.

    Again, I have no problem with this kind of coaching in the regular season(and neither did Jacques Martin).  But the playoffs aren’t the time to coddle.

  126. Caper says:

    LOL. He was pretty negative.

  127. B says:

    Perhaps Boucher should have put Desjardins in if Sanford was that bad in round 3? Was there a big Sandford vs Desjardin debate raging in the Bulldogs blog? :)

  128. SeriousFan09 says:

    Well ****.

    Still, he’s 38 and the NHL coaching turnover rate is the highest among professional sports. Perhaps we’ll see him in a few years coming to run the hometown team, he hasn’t signed a lifetime contract with Tampa I gather. This rots right now though, we’ve lost our development coach for next year, Bulldogs are going to take a hit from losing him. Canadiens need to rebuild the coaching staff in Hamilton and they have to worry about someone trying to poach Muller as well.

    Damn you Yzerman, never thought I’d say that. Not a good omen for off-season changes in the organzation…

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  129. SlovakHab says:

    I am even more scared to lose Muller than I am to lose Boucher. He is a very valuable part of the coaching staff.

    BTW, I think the NHL should go back to protect NHL coaching assets just like they protect the players. All right, so now let’s go and offer Stamkos a 1st line center position for the Habs so he can walk away from Tampa. 

    I know that’s how we actually got Jacques Martin (but he was a GM, not a coach!), but I think that after having brought Boucher up and given him a chance to coach our AHL affiliate, we could have gotten at least something as a compensation.

    If Muller is the next one to walk away for nothing, I will be truly furious.

  130. Odie Cleghorn says:

    Maybe he took the job because Tampa has the more of the type of players who can play his system? After all, it would be a waste of his time trying to teach pigs to fly – and it frustrates the !@#&** out of the pigs.

    Good luck Guy. 

  131. G-Man says:

    $hit loads of bs on here about how Boucher is the Second Coming while Martin sucks to high heaven. What is wrong with a coach that wants his players in top physical condition? What is wrong with a coach that wants his team to have a work ethic? What is wrong with a coach that wants his team to play defence? What is wrong with a coach that has the first united dressing room in 15 years? What is wrong with a coach that lost star players all season and made it to the conference final?

    The anti-French management bias on here is nothing short of funny farm stuff.

  132. SeriousFan09 says:

    Cammalleri, Gionta healthy for a season, add in a new Top 6 forward for the team and this team easily picks up 12 more points in the standings. Markov won’t be missing half the season this time either and we’ve got Subban to start the year.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  133. The Cat says:

    Im not going to argue whether Boucher is a good coach or not, but people should wait before christening him the coach of the year before one game has even occurred. Coaching players that want to get to the show is probably a lot different than coaching players that are already there or already been there more years than you have.

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  135. BJ says:

    The gambling continues….. Hopefully we haven’t stood by and watched another asset leave town. I guess the next year or two will determine what kind of non-move this was. We have a way of letting major assets leave or when we are in a position to grab one we take the wrong one. And this dates way back: Wickenheiser over Denis Savard, then Chelios for the same Savard, then Leclair and Desjardins for Recchi and Recchi leaves and is still playing better than any of our 3rd & 4th liners and some of our 1st & 2nd liners. And then not 1 (ONE) draft choice for the 10-12 guys let go in the last few years that could have brought back picks. And the drafting that could easily of added Carter and Giroux which would be just about right for a Stanley Cup contending team. And I’m sure I’m missing some more in between here. Has the management of the Montreal Canadiens made another huge mistake by letting go of Boucher and having signed Martin? Time will tell. And that time will come next year for Martin if he doesn’t make the playoffs or past the first round and Gauthier 2 years or less if the Martin scenario repeats itself. What has made the Montreal Canadiens where they are now is Ray Lalonde’s marketing team but you can only market an inferior product for so long before the customers awaken to that.

    In leaving you off with this long winded opinion and the prayer should be lets us hope that Québecor does not move the team from Tampa Bay to Quebec with a potentially up coming team with the likes of Stamkos, Downie, Hedman, Lecavalier, St. Louis, Yzerman and Gauthier (a perfect fit to become the Nordiques). A nightmare scenario for Molson’s greatest asset Ray Lalonde and marketing. 

  136. SeriousFan09 says:

    Don’t you have Moon Landing footage to discredit?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  137. SeriousFan09 says:

    Or I’m remarking upon the lack of credibility of a person’s conspiracy theories about how a professional hockey club is run by comparing these conspiracies to some of the more well-known outlandish ones that float around?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  138. 24 Cups says:

    Smart move by  Boucher.  Working with Yzerman should be a good fit.  Not to mention they already have a franchise player in Stamkos.  What was once a mess, is now a team on the rise.

    There will always be another chance for Boucher to coach the Habs at some point in the future.  It’s really no big deal.  More a case of bad timing, that’s all.

    This will now allow the Habs to turn to more important matters.  Like how in the world are we going to build on our fluky playoff run so we  can ensure another playoff spot for next year?  That will be Gauthier’s true test.

  139. shootdapuck says:

    When success is measured by on ice accomplishment and not political correctness the true value of Boivin/Gauthier is apparent.

    Boivin could not care less about the on ice product as long as all the home games are a sellouts, the suites are sold and the memorabilia sales remain high.

    The bigger issue here is the Molson’s putting Boivin in charge of the hockey department and his management by appeasement of the local rabid media!

    Transplanting a failed Ottawa regime ( Gauthier,Martin,Timmins,Jay,) into Montreal has not proved successful.



    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  140. The Cat says:

    I think maybe he meant that Montreal and Toronto should put the same effort in its hockey operations than in its marketing, if thats what he meant; then I agree with him.

  141. BJ says:

    Look at the attendance prior to the lock out and the lack of energy in that building and the marketing work they did to get a new younger crowd in. What I’m saying is that they cannot afford more mistakes in selecting players and management or they will lose customers. True enough that the city has been a great hockey town (the best in my opinion) but marketing will only take you so far and its pretty close to the end of the road with that unless we can repeat how far we made it into the playoffs this year and beyond as a lot of fans will not accept less.

  142. BJ says:

    Yes thats what it boils down to.

  143. The Cat says:

    Its a wise decision by Boucher. You need to have your head examined if you choose to coach in Montreal, or desperate.

  144. Habs Proud says:

    Apparently I missed something, seems like Guy Boucher has been awarded the next year’s Jack Adams trophy already! I am the first to agree he has done a great job in Hamilton, but just like players who are great in the AHL but never seem to make the transition to the big league, coaches are not guaranteed that success will follow, its different players, some nearly the same age as Guy himself who have already proven themselves, its big league salaries, big league attitudes,  big league fans and media who show no mercy sometimes. Oh thats right its Tampa Bay, forget what I said about big league fans. Perhaps a season or two as an assistant coach helps. I like where Kirk Muller is, perhaps he becomes the bench boss in the next year or two when Martin is done. I wish Guy Boucher the very best, he is a good coach without a doubt, especially with young players as long as he can be when those young players come with huge bank accounts and attitudes to match.

  145. terrygain says:


    There will always be another chance for Boucher to coach the Habs at some point in the future.  It’s really no big deal.  More a case of bad timing, that’s all.

    This will now allow the Habs to turn to more important matters.  Like how in the world are we going to build on our fluky playoff run so we  can ensure another playoff spot for next year?  That will be Gauthier’s true test.

    There’s no chance Boucher is coming to Montreal any time soon. Montreal is stuck with Martin – who has no clue how to develop young talent. This is a major setback.  This decision is a testament to the genius of Steve Yzerman and the lack of same in Gauthier


  146. terrygain says:

    Has the management of the Montreal Canadiens made another huge mistake by letting go of Boucher and having signed Martin? Time will tell

    Time’s up The answer is YES.

  147. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Very good fit for Boucher AND the Lightning. Boucher is good with young talent and the Lightning have some good prospects in the system. Not to mention, St. Louis, Lecavalier, Hedman, etc. New ownership is showing a lot of promise in their decisions concerning this Tampa franchise. Habs Proud, as for your, “Oh thats right its Tampa Bay, forget what I said about big league fans” remark. Grow up, you sound like the jilted girl who wasn’t asked to the prom. If “big league fans” means rioting after every series, I’ll take the laid back friendly approach of the Lightning fan anyday.

  148. shootdapuck says:

    Slightly off the topic but:

    Fischer was the product of Pat Westrum who by chance used to coach
    the same high school Fischer came from.

    He also is responsible for Ryan Mcdonagh and at least 4 other Minnesota drafts by the Canadiens.

    Does anyone know the status of Andreas Engqvist a 190 cm center being paid 900K per year to play in Sweden?



    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  149. says:



    You’re the type of person who shows up at his kids birthday party and says, “what’s wrong with you kid?  7?  You couldn’t turn 8 today?

    All your comments do is drive people away from a good conversation. Welcome to the forum.

    They Call Me Shane

  150. TomNickle says:

    Yeah, it isn’t like he had a hand in developing Spezza, Alfredsson, Havlat, Phillips and Fisher.

    Your hockey knowledge is equaled only by your class Terry.

  151. TomNickle says:

    Are you saying that Jacques Martin limiting the icetime of players who make repeated unforced mistakes sends the message that they need to improve?  RIDICULOUS!

    Good post G-Man.

    Martin isn’t a lame duck and shouldn’t be treated like one.

  152. Caper says:

    Care to elaborate with some insight on your comment. Imagine-being desperate to accept a coaching postion with The Montreal Canadiens.

  153. Chris says:

    I’m happy to report that, despite Pierre Gauthier carelessly letting Guy Boucher walk away in favour of Jacques Martin, the sun still rose in the East this morning.  Funny how that keeps happening…  :)

  154. TomNickle says:

    There was a time when Bruce Boudreau and John Anderson were as highly sought after.  Same goes for Dave Tippet right now.

    Bruce Boudreau has yet to have a playoff series in the NHL that didn’t go 7 games, WITH THAT ROSTER.

    John Anderson, despite being in Atlanta, should have had that group in a better position to compete for a playoff spot, in that division, with that much skill, he didn’t succeed.


  155. longtimehabsfan says:

    I was just thinking the same thing.  Hamrlik and the Sharks are a perfect fit. 

  156. joeybarrie says:

    Im sorry, did you just repeat saying that Boucher left because he is pissed that PG fired 6 scouts???? I mean this dosnt strike you as one of the dumbest things said this month so far???

    So why stop at cleaning out the entire management???  Lets clear out the owners too…  How about the team and its fans. Start again… OK Ive just got a better idea.  Lets pray that Quebec City gets a team, and you can start new with them…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  157. TomNickle says:

    Well that’s only in the neighbourhood of 70%


  158. G-Man says:

    Post of the day. Period.

  159. TomNickle says:

    My goodness you are slow.  I wasn’t saying that Scott Bowman didn’t leave dunce cap.  I was saying that Guy Boucher is not Scotty Bowman.

    You need a nap.

  160. G-Man says:

    It’s just that you make me laugh, what with your perfection and all.

  161. joeybarrie says:

    Tony Marinaro is a terrible Radio Personality. I mean he has never won any type of award (let alone the Stanley Cup), and likes the NY Jets… In fact I don’t think he has ever been to the Conference finals either…..

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  162. TomNickle says:



    Only those with a damn shred of common sense know better.  Talk to you guys tomorrow.

  163. Bugs says:


    That Boucher, eh? We need’m. We’re dead without’m.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  164. linp says:

    When Mourinho signed with Real Madrid, Inter got a compensation. Are we
    going to get something from Tempa?

  165. JD_ says:

    Yzerman has two things really going for him: He’s gone into a situation that can only improve, which will inevitably buttress his rep – it was a damn smart move for him – and he has assets with both real and perceived value to play with. It’s enough to make Brian Burke choke on his Kelsey’s Fiesta Nacho Platter®, or whatever delicacy one of T.O.’s endless number of chain roadhouses is serving up.

    He’s also got cap space and UFAs that are cheapish. Tanguay’s history.

    Not sure how quickly Y will want to move the likes of Vinny and Marty, if only because he might want to see if Boucher can revive the magic, specifically the former’s, but he does have the luxury of time. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the duo around until at least the trade deadline or until such time someone makes him an irrestitible offer to take over Lecavalier’s monster contract.

  166. crabvader says:

    Throw in a ‘Tit and give us Clowe… Why not.

  167. joeybarrie says:

    I know what you mean. I really dont expect JM to do any better than the Conference Finals. Nothing special at all…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  168. crabvader says:


    Don’t tell anyone.

  169. RetroMikey says:

    We fired a competent coach in Don Lever  to hire a green coach in Guy Boucher who jumps ship and screws our team royally!

    Boucher, you have no character, you used the team to get your foot in the door for a head coaching job in the NHL!

    You will be on the unemployment line Guy in 2 years time, and we’ll see you back coaching AAA Midget or as an assistant again in the QMJHL.

    Don Lever must have a big grin knowing Bobby screwed up again!


    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  170. crabvader says:

    And if you were him, you would sit in the AHL for maybe 3 more years waiting for JM to give up his post?


    Boucher has to think of his own interests at some point, aswell.

    When a team says: “You can bring all your coaching staff with you and can impose whatever system you deem necessary in order to win.” Would you turn that down?

    That and a significant pay increase (which, being a family man, probably is huge for him aswell).

    He also gets to go through the motions with a MORE than competant hockey persona in Steve Yzerman.

    Why, oh why, would you stay in Hamilton? Hmm?



  171. B says:

    The same thing they are rumoured to be offering for Souray? Huskins and Mitchell?

  172. SeriousFan09 says:

    Don Lever hasn’t been offered any NHL jobs this off-season, if he’s so competent than why was he outshined by Boucher?

    If you’re an AHL coach offered a job to coach an NHL team with your own staff and say in hockey decisions, you take it, do you think for one second if Don Lever was the head coach of Hamilton and got two NHL offers he’d hang around out of loyalty? Whatever you’re smoking, pass it around.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  173. HardHabits says:

    The Habs finished 19th over-all. They did make it to the final 4 but bowed out, miserably at that, at the hands of a much better and much grittier Flyers team.

    Now the Habs are spent. They’ve blown their lead again, err I mean load.

  174. TripleX says:

    No  character?  For taking a plum job in beautiful Tampa with little pressure and Stevie Y as his boss?  I guess you would stay with an AHL team in Hamilton and forego your own professional goals and the financial security for your family.

    Coaches are professionals and like any professional they move all the time.  Are you serious?




    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  175. Bob Barker says:

    Yeah why would anyone want to coach at the NHL level and get paid 10 times as much when you can make merely a decent living in the AHL and ride buses 20+ hours/week?

    At the end of the day the guy needs to do what’s best for himself and his family. The Habs obviously don’t value him as much as TB otherwise they wouldn’t have offered Martin a 3-year contract. 




  176. Storm Man says:

    World Cup is this weekend Inter Milan is the last thing on his mind


  177. punkster says:

    This is important Joey. Who wins that tie game? It’s driving me nuts.


  178. punkster says:

    Ka-zing…another one of Tony’s absolutes bites the dust.


  179. notbigbird says:

    Why must people on this site purposefully misrepresent what others are saying? Having said that, I wonder how many times we’ll make it to the conference final in the next three years? I wonder if TB will?

  180. RetroMikey says:

    Lever has a Calder Cup ring, Boucher’s team choked in game 7 in the Clader semis ( I was there) and has no rings to his credit except some junior rings.

    How has Boucher outshined Lever?  I’m all ears.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  181. forskis says:

    Lever won the Calder but still got no consideration for an NHL job…but how is this “Bobby’s” fault?  Boucher had a great regular season and left…the ORGANIZATION gave him permission to interview and “Bobby” is not even in charge…so how is this “Bobby’s” screw up?  Was that just a random “Bobby” lash-out out of habit?  Not everything is “Bobby’s” fault or because of “Bobby”.

    Besides, we do not even know how Boucher will do in the NHL…we will see.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  182. TripleX says:

    His team had 18 callups to the NHL a franchise record.  His team was considered lucky to make the playoffs with the talent available on the team. ( other than Desjardin and PK who is on that team )

    Considering his lack of onboard talent, injuries and the callups to come within one game of the Cup is quite the achievement.

    Funny how Lever has had zero offers from the NHL and his own franchise fired him if he is so superior to Boucher.

    But how does this explain your comment that Boucher lacks character and is a traitor.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  183. SeriousFan09 says:

    Best regular-season record of the Hamilton Bulldogs in team history as a rookie coach, numerous records broken across the board for the team and incredible praise for his system and coaching methods. Lever wouldn’t have won in 2007 without Carey Price, who can outplay Sanford or Desjardins easily, considering Boucher actually swapped Desjardins for Sanford halfway through the playoffs because of issues in nets.

    I was at Game 7 as well, the team fell down but for a coach in his first AHL season, he did an excellent job on the year. I also reiterate, do you think Lever would have stuck around if CBJ and TBL had offered him coaching gigs?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  184. j2w4habs25 says:

    I was so proud when Boucher turned down the first offer – I thought he was a guy that was going to wait and be the Habs next coach. I dont mind Muller at all though.

  185. smiler2729 says:

    Sure he can.

  186. smiler2729 says:

    Wow, you all are already bitching about things that haven’t happened…

  187. smiler2729 says:

    You’re saying Muller can’t learn french?

    The Habs have had a lot of anglo coaches (Dick Irvin, Toe Blake, Al McNeil, Scott Bowman, Bob Berry), if the team is that narrowminded that they have to appease the french media at all costs then this team will never go anywhere ever.

  188. Ian Cobb says:

    Now if Hamilton looses its whole coaching staff, I wonder who will fill all those holes now.

    Boucher Might End Up Coaching Quebec City In The NHL

  189. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Didn’t everyone here also lose their collective minds when the former Hamilton coach was fired? Remember him? He was supposed to also be the second coming of Bowman – worked well with our young guys and his loss would set the team back YEARS?

    What was his name again?

    (no really, what was that guy’s name? I can’t remember for the life of me. All I remember is how amazing he was…that is, until Guy Boucher became the next incarnation of Toe Blake)

  190. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Yep, the organization is infinitely worse off since they let him go.

  191. Dintrox says:

    Bettman winnipeg and quebec article from canadian press. I’m not holding my breathe. too many times Bettman has been blowing smoke to get new arena deals etc…

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  192. SmartDog says:

    Something that really pisses me off…

    People on here saying “don’t get all excited about Boucher leaving”, or laughing at people that are pissed off.  Well I think that YOU are laughable because you don’t have the bains to know what value Boucher carries.  

    To me, a truly great coach is worth anything. And having seen Martin for a year, he’s got some strengths obviously but he’s clearly long in the tooth.  Anyone who does any hiring knows that the 20-30 year olds today are a different breed. They need a different kind of leadership.  Boucher is that leadership.  We lost a lot when we lost him.  A LOT.  And I think Bob McKenzie – one of the few experts who knows what he’s talking about clearly agrees.

    More to the point – people can get excited about what they want. I for one, said two
    weeks ago that of all the guys Gautheir needs to deal with this year
    Boucher is the MOST important one.  Ahead of Halak, ahead of Markov,
    ahead of even in my own wishful thinking – finding a way to move Gomez
    so our cap situation is eased and we can keep Plekanec).

    Gauthier and the Molson’s did what I expected in a crunch.  Nothing.  I can only hope they do better with Price, Halak, Markov, and Plekanec. But I doubt it.

    Old guys fighting last year’s battles. Sadly, that’s what we have.  (And of course, some loudmouths on HIO who don’t know any better either.)

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  193. B says:

    Perhaps Montreal should offer Martin Raymond
    the head coaching job in Hamilton? Not sure
    if he would find it more appealing than being
    Boucher’s assistant in Tampa though.

  194. Dintrox says:

    Dick Irvin Sr. ???????

    December 4, 2009 – Elmer Lach’s jersey took its rightful place with the Rocket’s in the rafters.

  195. SmartDog says:

    Good post.  I agree 100% (see my post above, in part touching on the same idea).

    And I agree with you re. Muller.  Sadly, he’ll never be accepted as a Montreal head coach.  He’s had plenty of time to learn French and obviously decided not to or has zero capacity for it.  It’s Montreal’s handicap.   They can only pick from bilingual coaches.  Really sucks but that’s Montreal (or more accurately, Quebec).

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  196. TorontoHabsFan says:

    I’m pretty sure you were also one of the people who claimed losing Don Lever was The Worst Thing In The World.

    Hey, maybe John Anderson is available to coach Hamilton. Remember him? He was the last AHL wunderkind promoted to the NHL…how did that work out again?

  197. j2w4habs25 says:

    yeah okay, maybe Muller will never be a  head coach for the (Habs) but I still think he would be a good coach for any other team thats including the Habs.

  198. habs4later says:

    things have changed since the 1970’s.

    ever notice the signs in Montreal? in big bold letters, FRENCH!

    in tiny miniscule letters-ENGLISH!  In Quebec they don’t give a damn about Anglos. they wish all of them would leave.


  199. SmartDog says:

    Bugs won’t leave. He’s got nothing else to do.


    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  200. SeriousFan09 says:

    What was Gauthier supposed to do, fire Martin after an ECF appearance and put Boucher in charge? Boucher was offered head coach of a team that has access to some excellent young talent and is about to select 6th overall in a rich 2010 draft. I’m not going to blame him for taking the job. He could make offers behind closed doors about future advancement within the organization which I doubt we’ll ever hear about but Boucher had an offer on the table to take his coaching staff and be in charge of hockey decisions for an NHL club.

    He could very well come back as well, Scotty Bowman coached St. Louis to Cup Finals before he ever took over Montreal’s bench.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  201. smiler2729 says:

    That’s politics, that’s the reason for the big exoduses in ’76, ’80 and ’95. Separatists have reduced Quebec and especially Montreal to a shadow of what it was, economically.

    Biting off their nose to spite their face.

  202. TripleX says:



    Has a 19th overall team ever been so pillaged? RT @Aportzline#Habs might lose…Perry Pearn, is finalist for Edmonton Oil Kings’ job.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  203. SmartDog says:

    I guess they must’ve also taught you to make stuff up.  I didn’t call anyone an idiot.

    And I wasn’t ‘arguing’.  I was making a point about missing the point about Boucher.  I really don’t care who replies, who listens, or not.  I was just saying what I felt – and obviously some people do agree, which is always a good thing.

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  204. Bugs says:

    So if we have another nice playoff run next year and Boucher’s Bolts finish 12th again and the new coach we hire for the Dogs does an equally fine job as the two before him, can I point my finger at you and laugh, Pup, the supposedy NON-loudmouth who DOES know better?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  205. B says:

    So old regime coaches like Martin and Quenneville can not have any success in today’s different breed NHL playoffs?

  206. TripleX says:

    Boucher is in a different category than Lever and Anderson with his educational background and innovative outlook on coaching and motivational techniques.  If you don’t see that then any arguments are falling on deaf ears.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  207. Chris says:

    What you label as a “lack of brains” is simply a disagreement.  The rest of your argument is completely pointless because you start off labelling everybody else as idiots. 

    Debating 101:  When you lose your temper in an argument, you’ve lost.

  208. Bugs says:

    I wonder who the new wunderkind Bulldog coach that is infinitely talented and who should usurp Jack Marty will be NEXT year…

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  209. habsguy says:

    I don’t like to lose any home grown talent either,  but Montreal has far too much class to hold someone back who wants to further their career……they AIN’T getting rid of JM just yet,  he’s got what, 3 more years ???

  210. joeybarrie says:

    Wait, I thought we all agreed yesterday that Boucher was going to be an assistant coach for us next season… I don’t understand this at all. Since when do people like Boucher make the decisions over our theories in here????  To my knowledge Boucher didn’t even consult us…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  211. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Remember when Steve Spurrier’s innovative on-field tactics were going to revolutionize the NFL?

  212. Bugs says:

    You talkin about the crew that finished 3rd place in the entire NHL this year?

    And as alternative, you propose the young Boucher who hasn’t won anything in the NHL either? That it?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  213. Storm Man says:

    How can you say any of those guys bring to the table the samething Boucher does? Let’s take a little look here, Hmmmm Bachelor Degree’s in History and Biosystems Engineering and to top it off a Master’s in sports Phsychology. I understand why alot of people on here are upset to lose Boucher to Tampa.

  214. Storm Man says:

    When are hockey tactics and football tactics the samething? oh by the way did Spurrier have a Master’s in sports phsychology?

  215. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Well actually they all brought the exact same thing to the table – success in the AHL and no experience as NHL head coaches.

    Everything else is conjecture.

    Sure it sucks that we lost a coaching prospect to another team – but hey, it’s Boucher’s prerogative to work elsewhere if he has the opportunity.

    Let’s just keep some perspective people.

  216. Storm Man says:

    Care to make a bet on that Rabbit?

  217. TripleX says:

    See any “old regime” coaches or GM’s getting hired lately except in Montreal of course?



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  218. Bugs says:

    Only pure English coaches can win, right, Pup? Bilinguals know LESS hockey than pure English folks, right?

    And being able to communicate to the people for whom this team was CREATED and who make up 75% of the fanbase is a mistake, right? Sure it is.

    You miss Toronto, Pup? Those pure English winners, right?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  219. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Look up, see that 747 flying over your head? That was my point.

  220. habsguy says:

    Blake was from Ont, near Sudbury.

  221. Storm Man says:

    Hmmmm guess it is a little above your head.

  222. Bugs says:

    On Pup being a supposed non-loudmouth who does know better? Yeah, I’ll bet.

    If I win, you have to stop being a Flyer fan.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  223. Storm Man says:

    The smog must be getting to you.

  224. habs001 says:

    3rd best in the nhl…the quality of the nhl is really gone down…habs would have problems beating the top 3 teams in the khl…

  225. Dwayne33 says:

    Wow, you are a donkey. Where r u from anyway? You have probably never been to Quebec. I am from PEI, can speak very little french, but I have been to Montreal 6 times for vacations and to watch the Habs. The entire province of Quebec is a class act. Everywhere I went, people were extremely kind. If they couldn’t speak english, they sure tried. Also, I don’t see too many french signs in PEI,Nova Scotia, Ontario, Alberta, etc. Leave the french alone and let them enjoy their heritage. If you don’t like Quebec or the French , shut up and leave this site.

  226. Dwayne33 says:

    Wow, you are a donkey. Where r u from anyway? You have probably never been to Quebec. I am from PEI, can speak very little french, but I have been to Montreal 6 times for vacations and to watch the Habs. The entire province of Quebec is a class act. Everywhere I went, people were extremely kind. If they couldn’t speak english, they sure tried. Also, I don’t see too many french signs in PEI,Nova Scotia, Ontario, Alberta, etc. Leave the french alone and let them enjoy their heritage. If you don’t like Quebec or the French , shut up and leave this site.

  227. K-hab25 says:

    Yada!!! Yada!!! Boucher is a coaching genius, Halak is an elite goaltender and Plekanec is irreplaceable #1 center. Exaggerate much?

  228. TorontoHabsFan says:

    The man with the faux-lesbian avatar is impugning my intellectual capacity.


  229. Storm Man says:

    your the Flyers fan but that is not the point here now is it. This is the bet rabbit… you think Tampa will finish next year behind the Habs. I will bet Tampa has more points at the end of the year then Montreal does and the loser of this bet has to leave HIO are you in? Im all in

  230. K-hab25 says:

    Are you saying he’s going to be giving free therapy sessions?

  231. Storm Man says:

    You should not be so upset that I have friends and you don’t. As far as your IQ goes I just look at your avatar and it tells me all I need to know about you. I do hope you enjoy the rest of the day.

  232. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Oh dear Stormfront,

    My day has already been one of the best I’ve had in months, nothing you say could possibly ruin it (although I’m certain you’ll try!)

  233. Jbird says:

    LOL I was thinking the same thing.   All in good fun though.

  234. Chris says:

    Joel Quenneville in Chicago.

    Terry Murray in Los Angeles.

    Ron Wilson in Toronto.

    Pat Quinn in Edmonton.

    Marc Crawford in Dallas.

    Paul Maurice in Carolina.

    All guys with 800 games coached that were hired in the past couple of years.

  235. mike g says:

    Have some of you guys ever thaught about what you write before you hit the keyboard?

    I find it so funny sometimes, seriously. Often it’s even sad. To be a Habs fan is something I’m extreamly proud of, and to be able to share it with so many people like you makes it even better. But there are some of you guys who make us look bad, and it just has to stop.

    If you kick back, grab a beer and think about what you type sometimes, it’s crazy. “OMG, we lost Guy Boucher!”. We lost the coach who never coached in Montreal, WTF are we gonna do?!?! Well I don’t know, maybe continue with the same coaching staff that took us within 7 games of lifting the friggin’ CUP!!!!! Ya that sounds good, right? Heck most of us were begging for a lottery pick this year, yet we finished in 3rd place! None of us would have put a dollar on that scenerio, especially when Cammy, Gio, Markov, and basically our whole team went down with injuries, right?

    Seriously guys, some of you make Habs fans look like a bunch of whiners. It’s the same thing with Luois Leblanc now. He’s being treated like he’s the next Messiah, yet he hasn’t accomplished anything. He and Guy Boucher have been blown up by the media because there’s simple nothing else to talk about. I’m not saying Guy’s not a good coach, he may even be very good. But let the guy do something in the Big Leagues before crying about him, please. Some coaches are great in the minors or as assistants, but can’t cut it in the Bigs. Time will tell if he can adjust.

     But for now, stop with this nonsense that the Habs are doomed. Our current coaching staff did a better job than any other Habs coaches over the past 17 years. And they did it in their 1st year, with a roster that was overhauled in a summer like none I have ever seen, and filled with key long-term injuries. Yet, the way you wanna thank them is by firing JM or forcing him upstairs. Screw your heads on a little bit, cuz something’s not tight enough up there.

    Some of you are pathetic. When the Habs aren’t playing all you think about is either how to fire our coaches who’ve done a magnificent job under unusual circumstances, trade one of our 2 solid goaltender, trade Gomez, trade Markov (that’s just insane), how were screwed cuz we lost our best coaching prospect (even though Kirk Muller is the most repected and liked person in the Habs organization by the players), and/or how BG/PG suck as GM’s and the franchise is in shambles (even though since Gainey’s arrival we’ve missed the playoffs only once in 6 years, and been Cup contender for 2 of them.).

    Please people. Think before you talk. Everything some of you complain about or don’t want is actually just fine.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  236. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Brent Sutter

    Jacques Lemaire

    Peter Laviolette

    John Tortorella

  237. K-hab25 says:

    “Smart”dog always believes he knows better than everyone else, atleast he has for the last 3 years. I found that he’s wrong atleast as often as he’s right, but I do like his question lists. All in all he’s a good guy, but his I’m smarter than everyone else persona gets old. By the way Chris, you on the other hand are a stat geek, my kinda poster. I just wish you were the optimistic Chris you used to be, using your stats for good, not evil. :-)

  238. B says:

    John Anderson, Scott Arniel, Scott Gordon, John Tortorella,
    Dave Tippett, Bruce Boudreau

  239. Bugs says:

    Remember Jeff? The leafer who could “see the future”? And we were gonna lose because he said so? And when we would win, he was nowhere to be found? Would come up with ridiculous reasons as to why he was away when we were winning, like vacationing in Aruba and juuuust making it back in time for one of our losses? And then prompty disappeared against Pittsburgher so as to not face the shame of having egg splattered all over is face? Radical example I’m setting up for oncoming point.

    Maybe I’m just imagining things, but I see many posters here the last day or two raggin on how stupid the team’s decision is now, but were nowhere to be found during the playoffs…when we were winning just fine with the staff in place.

    They have found a new button to play with and not content to press it to see what happens are instead HAMMERING on it to give emphasis to THEIR doom-saying. Their NEW doom-saying.

    Last ones didn’t work so well. Could not face the shame of their failed projections. Disappeared. Grass is greener AWAY from any Habs’ decisions every single way. Because THEY know.

    Maybe I’m just imagining things, but either way, if such is the case with one or two or a few, I think you’re pathetic.

    My opinion.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  240. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Very much in agreement.


    (even if you do like Philly *shakes fist* :)

  241. habsguy says:

    I find it funny that someone who thinks a coach came up with a new brainy idea to play in a 10 foot perimeter around your goalie and give up 40 to 45 shots a game is a good coach!!!!!

  242. K-hab25 says:

    Great post wabbit!!!

  243. notbigbird says:

    After hiring bright, young, forward thinking personnel to run the team, TB is surely doomed to failure. We had a chance to take a chance on doing something special, and we let it slip out of our hands. I’d have rather taken a chance of a rocket to the moon rather than pin my hopes on a motorcycle to the cabin.

    I guess, we’ll have to be satisfied with counting on the Count. Let’s hope the rest of us are wrong and Bugs is right.

  244. Bugs says:

    Leave HIO?

    Confident that you will win, I assume you would like nothing more than not having to face me anymore and would consider THAT a victory?

    You’re showing fear, Stormy. Doesn’t become you. And one who relishes debate would not propose such a puerile wager.

    What you should’ve said is the loser has to write a beautiful article praising the winner. That’s what you should’ve said. But you’re young. So I’ll forgive you.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  245. TorontoHabsFan says:

    Chris is one of the handful of posters who keep me coming back. And yeah, I too wish he used his impressive intellect for good instead of evil :)

  246. Shublips says:

    Great and smart move by Tampa.  Yzerman is going to quickly build a winner in Tampa and Boucher was a great choice for coach.

    As for the Habs, it sucks to lose such a great coaching commodity but whatcha gonna do?  It also looks now like Perry Pearn might be leaving and that Muller might have been offered the head coaching job in Hamilton.


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  247. G-Man says:

    A call for being rational on HIO? Ridiculous ! :)

  248. K-hab25 says:

    Like Torontohabsfan says, great post, despite the fact your flyers fan. :-)

  249. TripleX says:

    Assign false statements much?  Where did I say Boucher is a coaching genius?  I think he is new kind of coach that could very well be incredibly successful and his loss is a setback for this franchise.  I am a  huge Halak fan yes, but I never said he is an elite goalie YET.  He is a legitimate No. 1 and it is vital for the Habs to lock him up long term.  I like Plekanec but only a fool would call him an irreplaceable “1 center.  I think he is gone because the Habs as usual procrastinated till the July 1 deadline and he is now out of their price range.  Another home developed talent that will walk for NOTHING.




    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  250. Storm Man says:

    I better things to do then try and make your day better. Like what clubs to use when Im in town playing a round at St. George’s golf and country club. It’s all in good fun hope it does not take you months again to have a good day. 

  251. Bugs says:

    Just so we’re clear: You are disregarding what you have seen with your own eyes and instead are relying on projections that haven’t taken place.

    Is that correct?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  252. TripleX says:

    Montreal was one of three teams left in the playoffs at one point.  How does that equate to our relative standing in the league?  Ever hear of flukes in sports?  It happened to the Oilers one year recently and now they are a lottery team.



    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  253. Storm Man says:

    I would love to stay and trade insults with you, But I would have to find a worthy opponent and your 20 sec of fame are up. 

  254. Bugs says:

    What an infantile thing to say…

    Is that your wounded pride talking, Pup?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  255. TomNickle says:

    We lost a very intriguing prospect in Guy Boucher.

    We did not lose Scott Bowman or Toe Blake.

    It’s okay to be disappointed that the team lost him, but to expect Jacques Martin to be fired or moved laterally within the organization to make way for a coach with no NHL coaching experience and only one year of professional coaching experience is unrealistic.  It’s as unrealistic as it would be to expect Guy Boucher not take a job where Steve Yzerman is his boss and he has a group of young talented players to work with.

    No one man is bigger than this franchise and no one man can put it over the top.  People tend to forget that.

  256. joeybarrie says:

    It’s interesting to hear all these things. We have a fan base that would have laughed at us if we had of hired Boucher instead of JM. He had zero experience in the NHL, or even AHL at the time. So we need a interim coach who can do well. We hire a coach that has been known to be one of the toughest to play against in the league for many many years now. We hire him for 4 years and at some point when we are ready he might become GM. We find our replacement coach, possibly GB, as he gains experience. Problem is simply this. There are 29 other teams out there. and WAKE UP people, no professional can make a decision based on loyalty to their favorite hockey team like we do in here. Thats why they are getting paid, and we are not. Byt the way that last line can be used in here for alot, so you should read it over a few times… We will not stand in his way, he very well might still be our next coach. So what exactly are we supposed to do?  Fire JM because GB is possibly a new age coach and has had success in ONE season in the AHL? And what happens if he falls short, then we fired an experienced coach for a rookie. I know, once we lose 1 game we find someone to blame, and we automatically HATE that person forever, or until his jersey is lifted to our banners. Well you guys need to come back to REALITY.

    Whats really funny here is this. ANYTIME someone leaves Montreal, its HE was the best and we will FOREVER be screwed because of it. And ANYTIME someone comes in he is either the best ever, and when he falls slightly short of that we hate him forever (example GILL) or he is over rated and any little issue I will point it out over and over and over until im blue in the face and everyone want to pull out their own hair to make me stop (emaple Gomez).

    In the end there is this.  Conference Finals with an injury plagued team. Yet still, our coach is an idiot, our players are useless and our future is doomed…HILARIOUS

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  257. mike g says:

    I’m all about the Habs, Flyers come 2nd

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  258. wotever says:

    Puh-leeze.  When Price was chased out of HIO it was because he didn’t “win games”, never mind anything else on the rink.  When Halak LOST games it was, what, max 35 SOGs?  So maybe 40-45 SOGs works when the shots are easy, like they were when the (most) offensive teams (in the NHL) were kept to the perimeter.

    And that’s the best response you’ve got?  Little early to be drinking.

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  259. joeybarrie says:

    I dont follow, what chance have we lost?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  260. saskhabfan says:

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Retrobitchy,HIO’s official whining ass clown makes himself look like an idiot again. Yes,don lever must must grining ear to ear. He can’t even make a list of qualified nhl coaches to take a job in tampa or columbus,never mind get a job in the nhl. Yes,he must be smiling away. Dumbass. The only screw up here it you. How about you make us all a deal. If Guy is out of a job in 2 years and back in the AAA or the Q i will never post here again and if your wrong you never post here again. Ready to put your money where your mouth is?


    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  261. Chris says:

    What is amusing me most is the idea that since people have never won, they never will. Especially because one of the personalities involved in this whole drama is Steve Yzerman.

    A recap, for the younger folk in the crowd:

    In the late 1980’s and 1990’s, Steve Yzerman was widely perceived as the best hockey player in the world not named Gretzky or Lemieux. But after years of his teams either not making the playoffs or bombing out early, the fans and administration in Detroit were getting impatient. The book on Yzerman was that he was selfish and not a playoff performer. No less a judge of talent than Scotty Bowman was actively exploring trading Yzerman.

    What happened? Yzerman DID change, and the supporting cast around him allowed him to finally exorcise those playoff demons. Now Yzerman is viewed as a consummate winner.

    Just because Gauthier and Martin haven’t won a Stanely Cup does not necessarily mean they never will. It is not easy to win the Stanley Cup…only one team each year does it, and you have to contend with the idiocy of the draft loading up one or two teams for 4-5 year runs.

    A very good Ottawa Senators team never quite broke through…partially because of some poor playoff performances, partially because they consistently ran into a seriously under-rated Toronto Maple Leafs team that was pretty much tailor-made to destroy the Senators. Does that diminish the fact that Martin and Gauthier played an integral role in building one of the most solid franchises in the NHL? Not if people are being objective.

    Doug Wilson has also been unable to bring a Stanley Cup to San Jose. Dean Lombardi has never brought a Stanley Cup to San Jose or Los Angeles. David Poile & Barry Trotz have failed to bring a Stanley Cup to Nashville. Darcy Regeir and Lindy Ruff have not managed to combine their efforts to win a Stanley Cup in Buffalo. Yet they are all considered amongst the best and brightest minds in the sport of hockey.

    Jacques Martin is widely respected in the NHL community. Pierre Gauthier is a bit of an enigma, with some good and some bad. But anybody who thinks they know how this is going to go should stop telling us and start making money in Las Vegas.

  262. TomNickle says:

    Oh, and Craig Ramsey is about to be hired in Atlanta by the best up and coming executive in the NHL….Rick Dudley.

  263. Storm Man says:

    My Dear friend Bugs, I was thinking more along the lines of a beautiful book for the winner, But it looks like your the one showing some fear my friend as you have not taken the bet as of yet?

  264. TomNickle says:

    Jacques Martin hadn’t won a game 7 until this season.

    He’s won 2 now.

  265. TripleX says:









    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  266. wotever says:

    Unequal terms.  Who would care if you left?  

    Now bugs, love him or hate him, that’s entertainment.

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  267. SeriousFan09 says:

    Quenneville in CHI was considered a guy who couldn’t win a championship, he is now 1 game away from his first Cup ring as a head coach as well. 


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  268. nightmare_49 says:

       As reported by Jim Matheson weeks ago, Perry Pearn is about to accept the head coaching job in the WHL with the Edmonton Oil Kings   /Columbus Dispatch and RDS. ………………….   Pearn is a good friend of the owner.

  269. Chris says:

    ” I just wish you were the optimistic Chris you used to be, using your stats for good, not evil.”

    I’m getting back there, slowly…just don’t expect me to ever like Scott Gomez!

    When the infernal thesis I’m slowly working on is finally out of the way, I’m sure the world will look much sunnier.  :)

  270. TomNickle says:

    For the crowd screaming for some young blood in the coaching ranks.

    Denis Savard
    Tony Granato
    Peter De Boer

  271. mike g says:

    You know what, that does make him a good coach, arguably a very very good coach.

    Wanna know why? Because he evaluated the roster he inherited when he came here, and going into the playoffs, and labelled that style of play as the only one that could let this team succeed. And he was 100% correct. If they would have played any other style of play, they would have been swept by the Caps.

    Martin and his staff evaluated the team and identified it’s weaknesses and did everything in their power not to have them exposed. He saw a goaltender in Halak that could handle 40-50 shots from the perimiter. He saw that he didn’t have big forwards to play a powerful offensive style; so he played smart defense and used knew that his scoring forwards in Cammy and Gio would be opportunistic whenever they got chances. He was 100% correct, and he did it all without his #1 defenseman, PP quarterback, and arguably best player on the team. He managed to play a style that got the maximum out of each and every player that was willing to put front the effort necessary to win.

    If you ask me, that’s one heck of a coach.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  272. TomNickle says:

    It’s funny to have a kid that isn’t old enough to remember the playing careers of these players spewing their names at you.

    How’s De Boer done in Florida so far with a group of very talented young players and a good mixture of veterans, not to mention elite goaltending?

    How’s Bylsma doing with two of the top 5 players in the World on his roster?  He won a cup, but how’d he do without Scuderi and Gill on that team?

    Todd Richards, can’t make it to the Finals with an Olympic lineup.

    Sacco did great.

    Clouston can’t keep his players happy or decide on a goaltender.

    Davis Payne?  Really?  Yeah, he did a good job.

  273. Storm Man says:

    Im glad to see how much love the players for the Habs get on here. Happy Birthday Cammy have a great 28th. 

  274. Chris says:

    Had seen some rumours of this a while back.  Pearn was frustrated with the lack of interviewing opportunities for NHL head coaching jobs, despite a very good reputation.  Remember reading after he was fired from the Rangers that he was exploring a head coaching position in junior hockey to try and work his name back into the coaching carousel mix.

  275. K-hab25 says:

    While I responded to you it was more of a generalization of this site. Half of this site seems to believe Boucher is the next Bowman, Halak is the next Hasek and Plekanec is irreplaceable. I’m sorry, but that garbage is wearing thin. I’m tired of hearing about how great people are who haven’t accomplished crap. Lever won the Calder cup, Boucher didn’t, yet we don’t miss him do we? Theodore won the Hart trophy, Halak hasn’t, do we miss Theo, no. Plekanec is a guy who scored 40 points last year and now he can’t be replaced so we have to pay him 5 mill or the world ends. So many people just live to overdramatize everything, it’s pathetic.

  276. SeriousFan09 says:

    Tippett’s turning 50 next year, he’s not a young guy.

    Bylsma was defeated by Muller and JM.

    Payne and Richards coach the Blues and Wild, no-name organizations who can’t attract serious names outside of the AHL, same for DeBoer with the Panthers.

    Sacco and Clouston are the only young coachs to have impact in their first full NHL seasons.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.Sc

  277. Bugs says:

    Hoping I leave HIO is fear, Stormy. There was basis for that comment.

    Not pronouncing myself on an arbitrary bet YOU made up is not fear, sorry to say. No basis for that comment. And since the bet was childish (loser has to leave HIO), only natural I scoffed at it.

    Retorting with “It’s not me; it’s you” will not move me either.

    Reformulate properly, please. 

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  278. TomNickle says:

    Quenville took his team to the Finals(and will probably win it)

    Babcock has been there three times and won once.


    Craig Ramsey is about to be hired in Atlanta.



    Terry Murray.

    Ron Wilson.

    Brent Sutter.

    Jacques Lemaire.

    Randy Carlysle.


  279. joeybarrie says:

    Dont you understand whats going on here? Boucher coaching the Montreal Canadiens next season would have meant the Stanley Cup for us. He would have convinced SK to grow up, and he would be on the top line scoring 100 points. AK would love playing on the top line with his brother and Boucher would have turned him into a 100 point player too. Obyrne would talk with him a bit and become a complete shut down defenceman that will go on to a plus 45 with Markov. PK subban would get 50 assists and 35 goals under Boucher and his coaching style. We would have half the Bulldogs coming up and playing great on the 3rd and 4th lines. They would all become unbeatable. The older guys would be so moved by Boucher’s mentality that they would each come around and score either 45 goals each or 55 assists each. We would win every game and tie only 1, because Boucher gets sick, and no one (except Halak) comes to the game in order to visit him at home and bring flowers. So HALAK would single handedly score 6 goals and stop 57 for a 6-6 tie against the Bruins. Boucher would turn Price into the greatest goalie since Dryden again, and Halak and Price would play 50-50 and each have a .987 Sv percentage.

    I mean we really really missed the boat here. WERE DEAD, Bob Gainey has again failed us, and doomed us to lose everything ever……With the exeption of making the playoffs and getting into the Conf. Finals with an injured team. BUT WE DID NOTHING THIS YEAR, and GUY BOUCHER is the GOD that will briung us to the promised land……………..

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  280. Bugs says:

    What a convenient argument. Where we should be when we lose and flukey when we win.

    You can’t go wrong then, can you, TX?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  281. SeriousFan09 says:

    Oh, and the Orange Line of the Metro is going to have all their tunnels collapse cutting off Metro service around the city because Guy left.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  282. notbigbird says:

    “Young, forward thinking person(nel)” that might take us to new heights.

    He might not, but he might have.

    I don’t have a lot of faith in JM to do something special, but I must pin my hopes on him now. Go Habs Go.


  283. Bugs says:

    What about the veterans on the team Boucher would whip into shape???

    You forgot the veterans, Joey!!!

    Tell us about the veterans whose will Boucher would mold!

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  284. SeriousFan09 says:

    Hope he enjoys my present, the 17 cents or so he got from my Cammalleri T-shirt.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  285. TomNickle says:

    Gauthier has been GM or A-GM for 30 years?

    1993-Present is 30 years?

    You can’t just take a number and double it expecting people not to notice.

    What the hell are you on?

  286. K-hab25 says:

    I know, just pulling your chain. Hell I’ve been a Cowboys and Giants fan since I was a kid. My brothers were Cowboys fans and the rest of my family are Giants fans. I’m from NY by the way. So I understand the duel team thing, although I love them equally, I just die inside twice a year when they play each other. It sucks!! How the heck is Dallas in the east anyway.

  287. mike g says:

    I’ll reply to your post below by writing here…

    The amount of respect I have gained for JM in the past year is incredible. I was very tough on him during the season, but he impressed me like few coaches have over the past years.

    If I’d see him in the streets, I’d shake his hand and say, “Thank you Mr. Martin. You allowed all Habs fans and this city to be excited and live something that few have done in quite some time. Best of luck for next year.”

    Then, I’d come on HIO and tell all you guys how I had lunch with him and he txt’s me non stop, lol….


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  288. TomNickle says:

    Hal Gill would lead our team in shootout winners.

  289. JD_ says:

    TB has for years suffered the biggest TalentGap in the NHL, the difference between the talent on paper and actual position in the standings.

    Two dilettante fool owners and a GM who hires a buffoon sports personality – did anyone, anyone, actually believe Melrose was still a relevant coach? – and then quickly replaces him with a morally bankrupt, convicted felon, still fresh off his guilty plea.

    It always starts upstairs. Stevie Y and Boucher are going to make a difference. Yeah, they’re both inexperienced at this level and, although one might question the degree to which this team can improve, improve it will. It is almost inevitable.

    My hat’s off to Jeff Vinik for cleaning up one of the league’s more embarrassing messes, even if it came at Hamilton’s expense. If there’s one thing you can say about successful fund managers is that they are typically bright as hell and have good instincts and, in this case, I think it shows.

  290. Storm Man says:

    I would never want you to leave Bugs, who would I lol with? but you could comeback as Bugs loves the Habs next time :)

  291. mike g says:

    Travis Moen would score 40 goals and win the Hart Trophy.

    Hamrlik would lead the league in +/- and rack up 70 points.

    Sergei Kostitsyn would be out next captain.

    And Ryan O’Byrne would have become the next Larry Robinson…


    Oh, what could have been if only we kept Boucher!

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  292. TomNickle says:

    As a scout until ’93.

    Do your homework if you’re gonna sit on a pedestal and act like you know everything.

  293. longtimehabsfan says:

    Don’t forget the Cardinals were in the East when they were in St. Louis and stayed in East when they moved to Arizona for a few years. 

  294. G-Man says:

    Tony- Mr. Pefect Hockey Executive. lol

  295. K-hab25 says:

    LOL!! Ya that contract is awful, I try my best not to think about it, especially when Higgins was one of my favorite Habs. I kinda hope he comes back home, but it’s probably not going to happen.

  296. G-Man says:

    What? Denigrating Tony- Mr. Perfect Hockey Executive? For shame…

  297. mike g says:

    There’s no doubt Tampa can become a force in the NHL once again..

    But, it will depend on what return they get for Vinny and St-Louis. Stevie knows he has to build that team around Hedman and Stamkos. Martin is too old, and Vinny is just a whole mess in so many aspects.

    If he can get 2 solid players for them and a few draft picks, then he’s sitting pretty. And one of those trades must include a goaltender better than Smith, he’s Leighton’s twin brother.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  298. joeybarrie says:

    Zero Stanley Cups…. Correct. So I guess Jacques Demers was one of the best coaches ever…

    OH yeah Jacques Martin has coached for 15 years. Not over 20…

    OH YEAH, Joel Quenneville who took over as coach for St. Louis a year after JM and also has not won any Stanley Cups. But I guess he is a bad coach too. Especially when his win percentage is similar to JM’s…. Yet he is ONE win away from the Stanley Cup. Has coach only slightly less games than JM… BUT I GUESS HE SUCKS TOO.

    By the way JQ had less win and a lower win percentage until this very season.

    Lastly Gauthier got his first Asst GM position in 1993. Do you know how many years ago that was??? Cause its not really close to 30…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  299. Storm Man says:

    You forgot one…… MAB would score 50 goals and be plus 140

  300. joeybarrie says:

    Just like you think your assisting with your opinion. In the end, just useless…  But thanks for coming out.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  301. joeybarrie says:

    BUGS, YOU NEED TO READ… The rest of the guys would get 45 goals or 55 assists each…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  302. pierre lapuck says:

    Do you guys have a drug plan?  Go get some valium or something and calm the F down.  Thee is no conspiracy, think about it ferchrissake.  Why would managment want to lose? why would they spend max dollars to lose and to finish in the middle of the pack?  Would a coach or a gm really all by himself make a difference?  Not in a year. Likely not even in two years.  JM is in place whining and crying like high school girls who forgot thier midol is just embarrasing.

  303. mike g says:

    Marinaro should worry about eating his pasta and about Inter Milan.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  304. joeybarrie says:

    First season as our coach. He had an incredible amount of injuries. All I know is we did pretty good this year, and im looking forward to continued success.

    Guy Carbonneau is the worst coach ever, as some would have us believe, yet he lead us to win the Eastern Conference. There have clearly only been 60 or so good coached EVER in the NHL. How do you know which are good. They have Stanley Cups… Thats is.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  305. BJ says:

    OK I’m Bouched ‘out. Just for a brake I was reading that if Blake retires the Sharks are looking for a veteran D. They are looking at Souray who still has 2 years on his inflated contract. Would this be a good time to offer up Hamrlik to clear up cap space? And what could be a deal or package they would agree to?

  306. HFX-HabFan says:

    Unfortunately, you’re once again botching the numbers to accomodate your “point of view”.  This past season was Martin’s fifteenth as a head coach in the NHL.  Yes, he has more years’ experience as an assistant and he coached in junior, but only fifteen years as a head coach.  Gauthier has only been a GM for eight years, an assistant for longer (but only since ’93).

    If you’re so upset about the “old boys club” in management, go cheer for another team.  Any chance you posted a couple years ago as Cournoyer12?

  307. joeybarrie says:

    I find if funny that you felt the need to correct me. Even though JM has only coached 15 NHL seasons. When you do not coach you do not get COACHING EXPERIENCE…. But you still felt the need to say it, yet nothing about your error of the 30 years…  he has been an ASST GM for about HALF….

    Nice selected correction, by the way, your post is still just as stupid, even with your corrections… 

    You understand not all the coaches can win the Cup every year right???

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  308. B says:

    The coaches list was done earlier, so here are some of the rare NHL GMs who are in their 50s or older: Ken Holland,
    George McPhee,
    Lou Lamoriello,
    Brian Burke,
    Paul Holmgren,
    Bryan Murray,
    Glen Sather,
    Dale Tallon,
    Jim Rutherford,
    Darcy Regier,
    Rick Dudley,
    Bob Murray,
    Darryl Sutter,
    Scott Howson,
    Steve Tambellini,
    Dean Lombardi,
    David Poile,
    Don Maloney,
    Doug Wilson,
    Larry Pleau,
    Mike Gillis

  309. TomNickle says:

    What is this?

    You act like a class a a$$hole until somebody calls you to the carpet, which many have, and then you play nice with everyone.  Very childish.

    Conspiracy theorists don’t keep many friends, just save yourself the time and quit trying to make them.

  310. andie9d09 says:

    I subscribed to your blog when is the next post

  311. mrhabby says:

    muller is looking at other teams..tampa and nj are talking to him…he did a great job. ya have to keep GB in the fold period…thats just the way it goes.

  312. Omit says:

    I’ve always liked Kirk Muller, but let’s face it.  He was never going to be the head coach in Montreal because he doesn’t speak French.  But the experience he’s received will put him in a good position for a future head coaching job.

    Boucher not accepting the position in Columbus does not mean he won’t be hired somewhere else, so I hope people don’t feel relieved 100%.

  313. habs4_25th says:

    I don’t agree with you 100% because Kirk has been great with the team,but only in certain areas of the team, as an assistant can only do.  Think of it as a learning process to become a head coach to go to Hamilton and call all the shots with players that are either on their way to the nhl, or already there. I think it would be good experience for him.  I love what Kirk has done, give him some more tools and see where it takes him.

    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be it yours to hold high.”

  314. StevieRay says:

    I agree !!! I think some are forgetting that the Bulldogs had a lot of seasoned AHL vets this year .. it’s  not as if Boucher all of a sudden made this team good …  He was handed a good team … I would be very dissapointed if he leap frogged Muller…..

    Coaching  25 – 35 year old NHL veterns is quite different than coaching AHL’ers who will listen to what you are saying..since their futures depends on it ..

  315. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Kirk Muller deserves some damn respect, he has paid his dues and is a great coach.  He was just as much a part of our playoff run as anybody else.  He doesn’t need to go to Hamilton, thats a step down, he’s an assistant coach in the NHL, the next step for him is a head coach job.  All this talk about Boucher because its a the current fad to bring up young AHL coaches, is a disservice to the great job Muller has done for this team.  The guy has given his all for this team as a player and a coach and this is the respect he gets,  “hey let’s kick him out and bring up an unproven guy just because he is french and has had success in the minors.”  what a disgrace.

  316. mike g says:

    I agree 100%

    That’s how I’ve been thinking about it. Muller’s been the heart and soul of this organization for the past couple of years. He’s great with the players, they like him alot and respect him alot more than others.

    I really hope he doesn’t end up in Hamilton, it’s a slap in the face to him. For everything the guy has done, he shouldn’t have to ride the bus in the AHL. Keep him here as assistant and that’s it. If they tell him it’s Hamilton or nothing cuz Boucher’s here, that’s disgusting…

    I really hope we have more class than that.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  317. W35T5ID3 says:

    Sorry,my bad…….



    …..I like rusty spoooonss….ooooo

  318. HabFanSince72 says:

    Actually, you will be more financially secure with an NHL contract than a Harvard degree.

  319. Slovak says:

    There are pressure and vulnerable points on your body and If you do some martial sport and you are well trained you are quick enough to hit them with focused power…

    The point was if you know how to move and have just enough strenght, even a small hockey player can go over bigger one – Hockey is a game of stability, speed and right moves…

  320. Slovak says:

    Bolt is just one – it is more exception than general rule as you present it. Look close at sprinters and you will see how many are super tall as Bolt, or just tall and how many are average height – about 180 cm…

  321. Slovak says:

    I agree with Laps, but I would give Makov a chance – he deserves it. I believe a team should try to build on what works – Halak is working like hell on this team – there is 90% chance you will do another hole on goalie post and also in team chemistry if you trade him. So I would try to keep him until there is an offer so high Habs can not reach it.

    I just want the continue the story that just begun…

  322. Slovak says:

    I can agree on that list but OByrne is just tall, great skills are missing – big guy without skills on needed level – leading nowhere. I think.

  323. Slovak says:

    I have the same problem but then I read posts of some exact people (I will not name them) that are worth of coming here – suddenly I see I can realize the truth or something that really matters only if I can find it in between tons of crap… and that is great on this blog :)

  324. G-Man says:

    Please. Bore ball comments? zzzzzzz.z…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

  325. G-Man says:

    Just beautiful, bugs.

  326. G-Man says:

    Habs playoff record:

    4-3 against top team in the NHL regular season.

    4-4 against defending Cup champs.

    Yeah, Tony, the Habs suck.

  327. Oddball says:

    ..always the negative waves, Moriarty, always with the negative waves..

  328. pic1983 says:

    THe only problem with harvard is that its not a good university hockey program.

    He chose school over hockey, which is the first knock when it comes to his commitment to hockey (not a personal knock, because education is important, and who wouldnt want to get a free ride at harvard?). 

    Secondly, with a demanding harvard SCHOOL schedule, I dont see where he will find the time for the necessary training to build up his size and strength, because at the moment, he is rather lanky and fragile. 

    Plus, they only play around 38 games in university, not 60 like they do in junior, which means hes losing a futher 22 regular season games of development. 



  329. pic1983 says:

    Thats because esposito started off in figure skating.  The guy had skill, but he has no grit, nor does he have the size to sustain the beating from the likes of Shea Weber, Chris Pronger and Dion Phaneuf.  Frankly, I just dont think Esposito had the commitment to hockey, it has nothing to do with him bolting for the Q.  In a league with no defense like the Q, its easy for someone with ANgelo’s skill to shine.  The writing was on the wall when he didnt make the world junior the first three times, and played 5 minutes a game when he finally made it the 4th time. 

    If Leblanc doesnt make this years world juniors, which i believe does not have the deepest of talent to chose from this year, than harvard or no harvard, hes another angelo esposito. 

  330. pic1983 says:

    Anyone who criticizes him for going to school is being ridiculous.  Im just criticizing the organization for once again drafting based on name and native city rather than on psychology.  Why would you use a first round pick on a kid whos not fully committed to hockey? Harvard is probably one of the worst hockey programs because the school aspect is probably far too demanding.   

    Unfortunately, we’ve proven in montreal that it takes a certain type of personality to play here.  If the habs dont get the point that they really need to interview these kids and find the best “fit” for the organization and not just the highest ranked player available at the time.  We’ve had some good success in the later rounds, but I find it alarming that we have not drafted an impact player in the first round in the last 8 years at least. 

  331. Chris says:

    Maybe the compensation for Boucher being allowed to talk to Tampa Bay is that Yzerman has to take Andrei and Sergei Kostitsyn.

    Just imagine the fun that such a trade would summon in the comments sections!  Puts a smile on my face.

  332. Storm Man says:

    FYI he clocked 101 mph on one pitch last night:) 

  333. HardHabits says:

    Let’s face it, the torch has been passed, but in today’s vernacular that means onto another team

    yep the Habs sure have a way of handing down the winning tradition, not from generation to generation, but from team to team

    Montreal is the farm system for the entire NHL

    My only problem with the current management is that they will do everything in their power to remain middle of the pack, to perpetuate a few entries into the playoffs for those few home games to pocket some cash for the owners.

    This is why I wanted the Habs to miss the playoffs. So that Hamilton could’ve won the Calder. So that Martin could’ve been fired. So that Boucher could’ve been brought up as coach. So that the Habs would’ve drafted 10th or better.

    Now instead we have the 27th pick. We stand to lose Halak and/or Price. Plex is as good as gone. We have 20 million locked up in 3 small forwards. Nothing good in the prospects department aside from PK Subban. Worse PK Subban will be rushed into the NHL next year rather than given more time to develop.

    Montreal deserves better than this crap.


  334. FSUPhi1584 says:

    So in a few years, before his contract is up, would we be able to offer GB a job since, essentially, that is what TB is doing to Montreal. Not just to Boucher, but our entire Hamilton staff.

  335. mike g says:

    If I may ask, who is that in your picture?

    Damn, man….

    (hope it’s not your daughter)

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  336. HardHabits says:

    Those clothes are painted on. Woot woot!!!

  337. SeriousFan09 says:

    So in HH land, let me understand this.

    The Habs would have sacked a coach they signed to a 4-year contract in a year the team was crippled by injury and missed the playoffs in favour of a rookie AHL coach who might have won the Calder Cup. The Habs would have had a Top 10 pick and selected a star player guaranteed. Halak and Price would have stayed on, Plekanec would have remained and Subban would have come out of Hamilton after another year and played like Drew Doughty.

    Continue with your illusions as you wish about the Draft tanking strategy, Hawks are in the Finals because of later-round picks and trades and if they’d had the misfortune to slip to 2nd overall pick in 2007… There’d be no Kane either and a different Hawks team. Flyers are there because of picks well out of lottery position and trade manuvers. Pens poor strategy has come home to roost as well, Canadiens exposed them for being a 1-trick pony, stacking at centre and hoping nobody notices.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  338. mrhabby says:

    Did you enjoy the run to the conference finals a unexpected run..were you happy about it and bragging to ur friends or anybody that would listen cause i was happy and bragged like hell until peeps and friends were sick of me..i did not care about bottom lines or draft picks..i cared about this year and it was a hell of ride…YES.

  339. mike g says:

    That doesn’t answer my question!

    LOL, ur just making this worse….How did u “remove” the paint?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  340. matraque says:

    Our team is very very bad.

    Oh, wait!  We made the conference finals!  WTF?!

    Our coach sucks!

    Oh, wait!  He manage to make a team infested by injury all year into the playoff…

    Either some of you guys are morons or trolling… it’s hard to say.


    Canadien en 5!

    Never go Full Retard

  341. avatar_58 says:

    So we drafted Cammalleri, Gionta, Gorges, Pyatt, Palushaj, etc and other teams stole them?

  342. SeriousFan09 says:

    How about those articles complaining about how Komiwreck, Souray and Streit were all unfairly shut out of the Norris nomination as well?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  343. habs001 says:

    as the line up stands now this team over 82 games is not very good…when you have a line up that will score on average 2-3 goals a game it will be a 85-90 point team…if it makes the playoffs it can upset teams…it is a team that will be out played 8/10 games

  344. megagoten says:

    only five nhl teams averaged more than 3 goals a game.

    people love to spout nonsense

  345. derfab says:

    Is it possible we get a draft pick from Tampa?

  346. megagoten says:

    i don’t mind earning the 27th pick, or the last pick, while we’re at it.

  347. Bryan says:

    Nope.  New CBA prohibits any compensation for signing coaches.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  348. avatar_58 says:

    I’m just annoyed Markov, Plekanec et al never get any respect. Aren’t they our draft picks? Didn’t we draft Halak?

    Funny how they always focus on guys like Lattendresse or Dagostini who, quite frankly, recieved MORE than a few chances to step up their game.

    Let’s keep our eyes on the GOOD prospects yes?

  349. habs001 says:

    we were 23rd in scoring …we have a line up full of non scoring forwards

  350. megagoten says:

    possible, unlikely

    teams usually do not offer compensation for off-season signings like these..

  351. 123456 says:

    agreed agreed agreed – was a grerat ride.

  352. megagoten says:

    more nonsense

    we tied for 25th

    10 goals separate 15th to 26th

    all in all, i’d say that it’s a fairly meaningless stat

  353. W35T5ID3 says:

    the summer hasnt started yet….draft still hasnt started yet….ufa season hasnt even started yet…..the 2010/2011 season hasnt started yet….BUT STILL…all i hear is we are gonna get dominated 8 outta 10 games next season and may barely squeak into playoff…BLAH BLAH BLAH!WTF people!?We ve got the best bluechip D prospect in subban….the playoff scoring leader in goals in camalerri(and it was mostly done in 1st & 2nd rounds)…2 Great young coveted goalies and so on and so forth.So lets and see what the summer holds and how the team roster shapes up before we even get into this crap about sucking next season.

  354. punkster says:

    Well I suppose if you put that much stock or hope in what Boucher coulda or woulda done then I see your point. However no matter who’s at the helm of this organization (owner, GM or coach) the end result on here will always involve a shoulda.

    I understand where you’re coming from David. It’s not like losing Boucher is a good thing but I can’t see how missing the playoffs, whether through lack of effort or lack of talent would help us so soon as to satisfy the “I-want-what-I-want-and-I-want-it-now” crowd. Immediate gratification (getting a top draft pick) is hardly the path to long term success or happiness. Nothing wrong with it if everything else is clicking, mind you; winning games, making the playoffs, beating top ranked playoff teams, going to the ECF. But we did that without a top pick (and without the services of no more than a few of out higher picks, half-assed as some of their efforts were).

    This team isn’t ever going to win a cup as it stands but it’s a whole lot further advanced and satisfying than the Habs-Lite we saw the year before. A poor finish netting a top 10 pick this year would gain us, what? Zippo. No cup next year and no hope of one for a few to come because we’d be focused of poor performance and high picks. Eventually we may, maybe, might, possibly have enough young players who were picked high and lived up to their billing to propel us to a Cup. Or not.

    No, I’d rather see management utilize the solid base we now have and re-sign the right players, trade for a few assets, bring forward a few Bulldogs to fill gaps and overall carry on with this rebuild.

    Hey look. I responded without denigrating you, bringing up a language issue or mentioning goaltenders ;)


  355. Mr. Biter says:

    Only if he makes it to the NHL (and i do hope he does). AHL contacts vs. Harvard no contest. BTW what is he taking at Harvard?

  356. mbplekfan says:

    The loss of an AHL coach should not cause any great howling riot of concern. Boucher was not going to turn this team into a contender without adding the pieces we are missing.

    JM can coach, can adapt and can manage what we have. The addition of a big centerman and a physical, scoring winger will turn whoever coaches this team into a genius overnight.

    No matter who coaches us in the near future, they will hover slightly above the 500 mark and not much more without the missing pieces.

  357. HabFab says:

    HH , love your new friend!!

  358. punkster says:

    Hey you…take your logic and positive attitude and hike on outta here buddy ;) No room for positives today on HI/F’n O!!!


  359. punkster says:

    Standing “O” for megagoten.


  360. mrhabby says:

    not sure timo should be freeeeed . iam sure he would have a field day.

  361. SeriousFan09 says:

    Article about the risk of concussions to peewee forwards in contact hockey leagues in the Globe and Mail.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  362. Chris says:

    I wouldn’t say meaningless.  Montreal tied for the 3rd most 1-goal games in the NHL last season (44), with a record of 20-14-10 in those games.  Those 14 regulation losses by 1 goal were tied for 2nd most in the NHL.

    Those 10 extra goals spread out over a season could add a few points on to your totals, points that can determine playoff seedings and whether you make the playoffs at all.

    The Habs are not going to be able to rely on blocking shots and phenomenal goaltending, as they did in the playoffs this year, for a full 82-game schedule…they wouldn’t have any players left by Christmas.  So getting some extra goals and easier wins would really be nice.  :)

  363. megagoten says:

    we’re too bitter about life to do that, this is the outlet we’re using

  364. Mr. Biter says:

    The only reason i mentioned Markov is If he does come back and play great (which would be great for us) he will be a UFA next year and probably want the same $$$$ he’s getting now with probably a 3 year deal and I don’t think he will last 4 years at almost $6,000,000.00 per year. If he leaves after next season certain fans on this site  (not you) will bemoan another getting away without compensation not realizing we will have $6,000,0000.00 to spend on a younger and bigger d-man. No knock on AM at all. He has done all we have asked from him but injuries and age catch up to all of us.

  365. punkster says:

    I miss the big lug. Always had a solid negative to add to the mix, no wishy-washy stuff.


  366. SeriousFan09 says:

    Doesn’t matter how you win, as long as you do. ’93 Habs won 10 of 16 games in OT for the Cup.



    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  367. W35T5ID3 says:

    is this sarcasm?

  368. W35T5ID3 says:

    wishy washy?Are my comments too wishy washy for you?Fot all i know you are Mr Negativity himself Timo.Take your negative energy and channel it elsewhere ,punk.

  369. mike g says:

    Michel Therrien signed a 3 year deal with the Devils. Will be announced after the Cup Finals.

    And, Chris Neil is reportedly broke. He owes money to Revenue Canada, the Royal Bank and Scotia Bank. That’s right, the same bank that owns the name rights to the Senators arena.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  370. SeriousFan09 says:

    Take Pronger off their team like we lost Markov in the playoffs and see if they would have sparked that 0-3 comeback against the Ruins in the 2nd round. Teams missing their elite #1 defencemen generally struggle in post-season, if not guaranteed to do so.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  371. punkster says:

    Whoa…you missed the wink ;) in my message. I was joshin’ ya. Chill :)


  372. punkster says:

    Hey, there’s a ;) in there…


  373. SeriousFan09 says:

    So if Tampa, CLB and NJD seem to all have their men, are there any vacant head coaching slots left in the NHL that are still open? Really don’t want to hear anything about Muller possibly being poached, losing our man in Hamilton was bad enough.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  374. SeriousFan09 says:

    As I once told a street musician who did 6 straight repetitions of Smoke on the Water while I was waiting to meet some friends, learn a new tune.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  375. mike g says:


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  376. Storm Man says:

    Never be afraid to try something new. Remember amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

  377. SeriousFan09 says:

    Ah well, see what happens. They’ve been searching for a while though, I would’ve figured they had chosen their man by now, can’t be a ton of guys interested in running a team that just lose their only star.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  378. SeriousFan09 says:

    And amateurs blew up the Death Star as well, if we’re going to use fictional references.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  379. pmaraw says:

    yes, but the same professionals that built the titanic didn’t drive it into the iceburg

  380. mike g says:

    I once built a house out of popsicle sticks, and it broke 2 days later.

    What does that make me?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  381. pmaraw says:

    not an architect

  382. SeriousFan09 says:

    Gauthier hasn’t been a GM for 30 years, so why is it is his fault he scouted for a team or two that didn’t win a Championship?


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  383. mike g says:

    It was supposed to be indestructable, even to icebergs.

    Maybe they meant iceberg lettuce.

    With those fancy businessmen you never know…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  384. nightmare_49 says:

       from Ottawa Sun

       Chris Neil was forced to declare personal bankrupcy.

       Senators’ Neil owes $2.4M.

  385. K-hab25 says:

    One was real and one wasn’t. I don’t live in fairy tale land with talking snakes, walking on water, parted seas and arks with 2 of every animal in the world on it.

  386. HardHabits says:

    The Ark is a boat in Mythology not History.

  387. adamkennelly says:

    I could not agree more.  When the Habs held their end of season press conference I remember looking at Gauthier and Martin and saying – THATS our problem…old men are running the show.  in most other professions – even when you are looking for experience you don’t bring in guys that age.  The Habs have not been a good team in a very very very long time – some completely new blood and a new youthful approach would be beneficial.  the game is completely different now – team managers should reflect that.  Letting Boucher go – HUGE mistake.

  388. Storm Man says:

    Just having a little fun….. I think alot of people here need a drink and chill :)

  389. SeriousFan09 says:

    I think anti-psychotics are a more appropriate prescription for this summer.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  390. mike g says:

    How did they know the flood was coming anyways?

    The Weather Network wasn’t even around, let alone iPhones!

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  391. Storm Man says:

    I hope he does not have a drinking problem or with drugs. I would like him on this team.

  392. Storm Man says:

    Guess they must have had the iphone 4 :) 

  393. mike g says:

    Don’t worry, he doesn’t hang around with SK or AK…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  394. Storm Man says:

    July 1-15 should be alot of fun on here……

  395. SeriousFan09 says:

    Yes, because all the NA players in team history never had any substance abuse issues…


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  396. smiler2729 says:

    Get over it, you’re not the owner or the president of the team… Who cares how old the coach and GM are??? Tony, man, we just blew down the Washington freaking Capitals and the Cup champ Pittsburgh freaking Penguins when NO ONE GAVE US A CHANCE IN HELL!!!

  397. pmaraw says:

    that doesnt mean you sail it into an iceburg.

  398. Ayan_SB says:

    With Yzerman as the GM, Boucher as the head coach, and a team consisting of Hedman, Stamkos, St-Louis, Lecavalier, Malone, the East just got tougher. Tampa seems like one of those teams with the right team, ready to break out, but they just didn’t have proper enough guidance, and was generally a Cluster F. for most of the season.


  399. SmartDog says:


    Not everyone thinks something could/should have been done to keep Boucher.  Being a huge believer in the power of good teaching and motivation, I disagree.  I think it’s a great loss – and I put it at Gauthiers feet.

    So I’m wondering how others might be measuring Gauthiers work this summer.  Yes, I realize the proof is in the pudding – we won’t know whehter he’s done good or bad really until the team plays (as Bob famously said “that’s why we play”). But still we all have our thoughts and beliefs.

    1. What sort of aquisition would show that Gauthier sees the team
    need clearly and is able to do what needs to be done?

    2. Who should be highest on Gauthier’s todo list?

    - Markov

    - Plekanec

    - Halak

    3. Which of our depth players NEEDS to be kept. Why?

    4. Does it matter how Gauthier deals with the Kostitsyns?

    5. Do you think (as Tony has suggested) that Martin/Gauthier are too
    old for today’s NHL – or (and this is all that matters) do they have what it takes to bring us a cup?



    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  400. old fan says:

    The Habs miss another golden opportunity to update their management team. Martin is “yesterdays man” – with Boucher and Muller directing these guys who knows how successful they could have been. Martin has hit his peak as of this year. What a shame -another year of fighting for their lives just to make the playoffs.

  401. SeriousFan09 says:

    1. Acquiring a Top-6 forward with size, Patrick Sharp by preference, but there are others out there, someone to fit into the Top 6 with Pleks/Cammy and Gomez/Gionta duos.

    2. Plekanec as he is pending UFA, Halak’s RFA status gives him a little more leeway.

    3. Moore, Moen, Lapierre.

    4. As long as he can get picks for them to trade for a player.

    5. I will make no final decisions as of yet, Gauthier’s administration is too early to determine that, we’ll have to judge by his summer transactions and JM’s record with next year’s squad as they further put their stamp on this changing team.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  402. nickster13 says:

    Number 1 priorities should be signing PLeks and Halak, 2 players drafted by us and trained by us and have played great hockey in the last year. He SHOULD trade the K’s for prospects or a decent 20 goal winger. And as for depth he should sign Moore if the price is right, if not then let him walk and sign a decent replacement. As for Markov he has been mega injury prone lately and has been a shell of his former self…

    Oh and he should also trade Price while the return is high, to pick up someone of equal value, such a a top 15 pick in the last few years.

    As for Martin/ Gauthier, they are indeed too old, but i hope they can right the ship. But the leash is short this year, if they dont do anything i sure hope change isnt afraid to be made

  403. pierre lapuck says:


    Not everyone thinks something could/should have been done to keep Boucher.  Being a huge believer in the power of good teaching and motivation, I disagree.  I think it’s a great loss – and I put it at Gauthiers feet.

    So I’m wondering how others might be measuring Gauthiers work this summer.  Yes, I realize the proof is in the pudding – we won’t know whehter he’s done good or bad really until the team plays (as Bob famously said “that’s why we play”). But still we all have our thoughts and beliefs.

    1. What sort of aquisition would show that Gauthier sees the team need clearly and is able to do what needs to be done?

    my $.02  one deal won’t make or break this guy.  Its his vision we weant to know.

    2. Who should be highest on Gauthier’s todo list?

    - Markov  X

    - Plekanec

    - Halak

    3. Which of our depth players NEEDS to be kept. Why? enough for two hard working no bs lines and a 2 d men

    4. Does it matter how Gauthier deals with the Kostitsyns?  rifles at at 20 paces

    5. Do you think (as Tony has suggested) that Martin/Gauthier are too old for today’s NHL – or (and this is all that matters) do they have what it takes to bring us a cup?  crap  birthdays donb’t make you stupid, lack of same don’t make you smart.  Hard work is hard work.



    ————————————————————- Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  404. Slovak says:

    Hi all,

    I followed the idea
    of taking some time and think before I write something again, so here it is:

    Reading many of your
    post, I am wondering if you considered the possibility that the this playoff
    was something more than luck – pretty old and unoriginal idea – a team was born
     – those guys never experienced
    something like this in Habs uniform and maybe they never really believed it is
    possible to battle for the cup in Montreal. Now this playoff run opened their
    eyes and it made them proud and it made them hungry and it made them playing
    out of heart. I do not see any reason why they should not continue in this – NO
    REASON. I remember how proud all of you were on this team, suddenly after they
    lost to Flyers many of you acted like crybabies – this team is wrong – not big
    enough – not good enough goaltending – doubt Halak would do it again – and yeah
    lets trade Halak, Markov, Plekanec -3 of our core-players…. You say NHL is a
    business well yes NHL is – but players are winning the CUP and they must use
    skills along with passion and heart and play for each other and push all of
    this to the limit. Habs did all of this and you want to break this? Again there
    is no reason they will not continue to perform like a great team next season.
    Mmmm except maybe the fact that many of you decided not to believe anymore….

     I believe before
    winning the CUP they had to experience this epic fall to Flyers right before
    the doors of finals. IT gave them mental power you can not bring in, it must
    grow inside the team. This failure only showed HABS were not ready to do the
    final step – and it was more mental exhaustion than popular “smurf failure
    argument”. Remember they used their speed to beat all till Flyers – BUT they
    managed to beat them in 3rd game with speed and almost beat them in
    final game also with better speed. Flyers were just lucky to get the 5th
    game – watch it again if you need. HABS do not need brutal net crashing if they
    use their speed and smartness they will have opportunities in front of net
    because opponents will be forced to move as for example in game 3rd
    and 5th with Flyers.

     Many of you started
    some hysteria and many of you let your ego kill your brain and heart and
    memories too. Many of you think you know something more about hockey and this
    team and players and even their future performances… and you build your
    arguments on that belief. Coming out from facts and reality we all saw on the
    ice in the end of regular season and playoff run – it is reasonable to come to
    conclusion that HABS will be better next season even if they do not make any
    big changes… Remember there was much more positive than negative things and
    signs right on the ice…

     And at he end of this
    – the goalie debate – Yes I am big Halak fan, Yes I want him to stay, Yes I
    want Price to leave, Yeas I think Halak was one of dominant factor in waking up
    the team spirit. Price should be traded for reasonable upgrade of this team –
    his long term performance curve is going down while Halak‘s going up. Halak
    managed to become heart of this team – Price was NEVER EVER even near of this
    position – period. Give Halak around 3 millions and let’s role baby. Or you can
    debate about nothing till Christmas. And yeah I think Boucher did right move to
    gain some experiences in NHL before going to experience hell in Montreal and facing
    you guys “know best and everything about coaching and strategy and statistics
    and uffff” – otherwise he could easily kill himself from the pressure – but anyway
    nothing can prepare him for Montreal right?…
    J Maybe that is why good players do not
    want to come to Montreal – they are simply scared of you and the whole
    atmosphere. Isn’t it just right time to appreciate the brave ones you got?

     My core players:













    Going for a beer or
    two or three or more and you should go too

  405. homerbowen says:

    Just way too many small players in your core. Look at thje Flyers and Hawks line ups and you may find one smallish player on each team but not three. We will not be successful with so many small players. We should move one or two while they still have some value.

  406. Habsforlife 1959 says:

    Carey Price to TB under the direction of Guy Boucher will be a great asset for his confidence and a way to regain his responsibilities as being # 1 goalie again.

  407. HardHabits says:

    If the Hawks did not have Byfuglien this series would already be over next game if not already.

    Habs need size. Habs need grit. Habe need sizey grit. Habs need gritty size.


  408. HardHabits says:

    I think your avatar and mine need to get together for a threesome.

  409. The Professor says:

    Patrick Kane – 5’10” 175lbs

    Kris Versteeg – 5’10” 180lbs

    Brian Campbell – 6’0″ 188lbs



    Daniel Briere – 5’10” 179lbs

    Claude Giroux – 5’11” 172lbs

    Ville Leino – 6’0″ 182lbs



    All of these players have had pretty good playoffs…

  410. Slovak says:

    I want light speed smurfs – give them hard time in gym and some steroids and any small smurff will destroy Pronger :)

    Now without fun – for me it is the question of right usage of Habs main advantages: speed, smart play, teamwork…

  411. Slovak says:

    If he is able to completely change his mindset and push the reset button and start from the beginning – well maybe yes 

  412. gK_HabsFan says:

    Just putting this out there, but GB signing with TB was simply a report.  Nothing has to be confirmed.  Its not on Tampa’s official page, nor have there been any official statement from either the Habs or T-Bay… Just sayin…..



  413. Slovak says:

    I didn’t notice Byf in first 2 games and Chicago won them both. HABS need to finish the way they started this playoff, because I believe we saw only beginning… Of course HABS can acquire some golems but I really think their main advantages are somewhere else: speed, smart play, teamwork

    Big guys will never be so fast as our smurfs and smurfs can be powerful too – maybe management should pay them some karate lessons – I am 179 cm and will knock down any 200 cm guy in a minute, you just need to know what to do…:))

  414. SeriousFan09 says:

    Latest reports are final negotiations are still going on, but I get the feeling Boucher is likely going to be running the Lightning next season, it would be a bit strange for things to break off all of a sudden.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  415. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Core Players:Halak,Lapierre,Subban,Gill,Gomez,Gionta,OBryne,Gorges,Markov ,Pyatt and Cammalleri.THEN BRING ON THE NEW BIG GUY’S!AYRTUKIN,TAYLOR PYATT AND BIG BAD BOOGARD AND SOME bIG fast dMEN with Howetzers!

  416. B says:

    Average player weight (from stats) of skaters used in the playoffs:
    Philly 198 lbs
    Chicago 202.95 lbs
    Montreal 204.18 lbs

  417. TripleX says:

    There is nothing wrong with small players on a individual basis, look at Cammy and Gionta.  But they need big players on their lines to create space and battle bigger Dmen.  Look at how Brier gains from having Hartnell on his line creating havoc.  In the playoffs we saw how time and space were taken away from Gionta and Cammy.

    The problem is not small players but rather a surplus of them on our top lines.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  418. TripleX says:

    Incorrect evaluation….look at my reply above.  Average size is a meaningless statistic it is the distribution of size among the skill players and defense that matters.  Perhaps a median of weight and height would give a better indication.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  419. homerbowen says:

    Our top 3 are all under 5’10 which is why we are not playing in the finals

  420. B says:

    How about a Habs and Philly comparision of the average weight of the top 10 skaters, top 4 D
    and the top 6 forwards in TOI (again
    using stats):

    Pronger 220
    Timonen 194
    Carle 205
    Coburn 220
    Richards 195
    Briere 179
    Giroux 172
    Hartnell 210
    Gagne 195
    Leino 190
    Total 1980 (198 avg)

    Gorges 200
    Gionta 173
    Gomez 202
    Cammalleri 182
    Hamrlik 207
    Plekanec 198
    Gill 241
    Bergeron 198
    Subban 206
    Moore 196
    Total 2003 (200.3 avg)

    Pronger 220
    Timonen 194
    Carle 205
    Coburn 220
    Total 839 (209.75 avg)

    Gorges 200
    Hamrlik 207
    Gill 241
    Bergeron 198
    Total 846 (211.5 avg)

    Richards 195
    Briere 179
    Giroux 172
    Hartnell 210
    Gagner 195
    Leino 190
    Total 1141 (190.16 avg)

    Gionta 173
    Gomez 202
    Cammalleri 182
    Plekanec 198
    Moore 196
    A.Kostitsyn 214
    Total 1165 (194.16 avg)

    Montreal is heavier on average in
    every comparison. My main point is that Montreal is not as small as most people seem to think.

  421. dufour says:

    Where will the Habs draft this year?
    I thought it would be at 26 because how far they made it in the playoffs, but TSN’s off-season gameplan for the Caps had them at 26. How does the draft order process even work?

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” Jacques Plante

  422. SmartDog says:

    Best answer to #4

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  423. SeriousFan09 says:

    After the draft lottery among the bottom 5 teams, it’s all based on regular-season finishes, up until Conference Finals, where the Final Four are always occupying the 4 final spots of the draft based on how they exit. Caps are 26th because they had the best regular-season record, Habs select at 27th overall this year. Order follows like that for each round, so MTL is picking late for each round of the draft, Oilers will be selecting 1st for each.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  424. TripleX says:

    Gomez is 202 pounds and Gionta 173?  I am 6’2″ and 170…..lmao.  Wow those guys are all muscle.

    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  425. Xtrahabsfan says:

    Big Guy’s are the fastest Athlete’s in THE WORLD …Bolt from Jamaica etc… And this is what happens when short people give opinions,lol

  426. crabvader says:

    A kid called Ryan Martindale is ranked 27th.

    Obviously teams choose at their own discretion, but if the draft went along by rank, we’d get him.

    6’3 center from Oshawa.

  427. Bryan says:

    Hey!  That kid’s from Whitby!  Don’t you dare get those two cities confused.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  428. Storm Man says:

    He is too big for this team :)

  429. HabFanSince72 says:

    Flyers’ best players are small: Giroux, Leino, Briere, Gagné…

  430. habsrlosers says:

    it’s not the weight that counts. IT’S THE HEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  431. Storm Man says:

    You can knock down any 200 cm guy in a minute? send me your list.

  432. HabFanSince72 says:

    Ovechkin and Malikn are pretty big. Where are they now?

  433. Bill J says:

    Ryan Martindale plays for Ottawa.  Not Oshawa.

  434. Bill J says:

    Not trying to get anyone’s hopes up.

    But I think what the above poster is perhaps alluding to, is perhaps the Habs are ALSO discussing with Boucher.

    Much like Boucher was discussing with both Columbus and Tampa…

    Boucher is smart too, I think.  And I would highly doubt he is not feeling out Gauthier as well.

    Just sayin.

    BUT – I believe, do my disappointment that Guy Boucher is Tampa bound, and against what many think.  He will NOT be coaching the Habs at any point in the future, with Steve Yzerman as GM, he has his Mike Babcock clone in Boucher.

    FAIL on the Habs for letting Boucher go.  He will not be back!

    & to those who would say we can not have a “rookie head coach” – Boucher is NOT Carboneau. Lets get that clear first.  Boucher HAS coached, Carbo had only done some Assistant Coaching. And prior to that ? Playing…

    Boucher has been studying, and DOING this job of Coaching for a LONG time now.  And successfully too.

    No disrespect intended to Jacques Martin, but losing Boucher will bother me.  What he could have done with our talented youth… :(

  435. Storm Man says:

    Hmmmm…. Interesting I guess your saying Carter and Richards are no good?

  436. Bill J says:

    And hate him as much as you want, Pronger is far from being a chump.

    In talent and in Size.

  437. SeriousFan09 says:

    Seems like a solid selection if he’s available.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  438. Bugs says:

    Your leafs didn’t do too good either, Tony. Even with a top pick.

    Think you guys’ll be able to sign Kulemin (or whatever)?

    You know, show us Hab fans how it’s done?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  439. Bryan says:

    He was born in Brooklin, which is right beside Oshawa.  A lot of people/sites just group the Whitby/Brooklin/Oshawa area into just Oshawa.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  440. Bugs says:

    Yeah, how’s that?

    Cuz my cousin is 6,4 from Oshawa and trust me, you don’t want him on your team.

    …seems like a solid selection…pff. No one knows him from a hole in the wall but he “seems like a solid selection”, ok, whatever.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  441. Habs64 says:

    Over-hyped? Are you kidding? Stephen Strasburg went beyond the hype — and anyone’s reasonable expectations — by striking out 14 batters in his electric major league debut.

    With a standing-room-only crowd cheering every pitch, the Washington
    Nationals phenom put on a dazzling display of power pitching Tuesday
    night in a 5-2 win over the Pittsburgh Pirates. His heaters reached 100
    m.p.h., and batters found his nasty curveballs nearly impossible to hit.

    “I just wanted to go out and soak up everything. It only happens
    once and I’ve been waiting for this my whole life,” Strasburg said.

    Last year’s No. 1 overall draft pick — the one with the record
    US$15.1 million contract — threw his first pitch 97 m.p.h. and got
    stronger as the game progressed. He struck out the last seven batters
    he faced, and all nine Pirates in the starting lineup fanned at least

    The 21-year-old right-hander took a curtain call after pitching
    seven innings. He allowed four hits, two earned runs and didn’t walk a
    batter, piling up the most strikeouts in a major league debut since
    J.R. Richard fanned 15 for Houston in 1971.

  442. Storm Man says:

    He is the real deal.

  443. joeybarrie says:

    Said by a guy who thinks Moen is a 4th line player. When he won a STANLEY CUP with Anahiem he was 7th in time on ice by a forward. 3rd line with Corey Perry by the way. And at a 1.5 million dollar cap hit, he is one of our best aquisitions.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  444. habsfansince91 says:

    if only the expos were still around he would’ve pitched here tonight.

  445. 24 Cups says:

    How about AK46 and Pouliot crapping the bed against Philadelphia which ultimately cost us a trip to the final. The first final in many a year where there has been no elite (or even decent) goaltending.

    So close, yet so far.

  446. joeybarrie says:


    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  447. punkster says:

    Damnd that 2003 draft. But seriously, can you imagine the “what if” scenario of a pumped Halak showing his stuff in the finals? I know, I know…not a realistic thought but I can dream can’t I?


  448. 24 Cups says:

    Good size but does Martindale have the heart and desire?  His progress really stalled this year.

    I would love to get Dylan Mcilrath, “The Undertaker”.  6’4″/215 Dman who takes on all comers.


  449. Chris says:

    Hard to say who elite goaltenders are in the NHL anymore.  Niemi is as good as anybody else this year.  That position, more than any other, is the definition of parity in the NHL now.

    Brodeur and Luongo were both mediocre at best in their teams’ losses.  Rask was up and down.  Fleury was not particularly great, while Varlamov had the jitters as that series went on.  Ryan Miller looked somewhat ordinary for Buffalo.

    Has any goalie really been consistently good in the playoffs this year?  They seem to be all over the map.

  450. punkster says:

    Somebody, please, wack the jukebox. This record keeps repeating.


  451. Omit says:

    More to follow on the 11 o’clock news.

  452. Omit says:

    I thought it was just me.

  453. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Louis Leblanc…he is 19, most kids that age and in his situation would play hockey and do whatever it takes to be the best you can be while it lasts. Professional sports is still a job, isn’t that what he ultimately wants?

    If I was in his shoes, I would play for the Juniors on the condition that I could move up to the Bulldogs at some point in the season. That would be my goal, to play at least 1/3 of the season there or more. He was drafted 1st rd, he is good, so go with it.

  454. crabvader says:

    I go by where someone was born.

    He’s currently living in Brooklin and born in Oshawa.

  455. crabvader says:

    Central has him (not your cousin) as a good skater, good hands and really strong 2-way play, which he focuses on.

    I’d say that’s good enough to play for the Habs.

    BUT he is over our regulation size.

    You must be this small to ride.

  456. 24 Cups says:

    Chris – Good point, that’s why I thought we might have stood a chance.   I thought that Niemi was really shaky in the last game.  What saved his butt was the quick 3-0 lead.  He was fighting the puck and always seemed to be too low to the ice and back in the net.  If Gagne and Richards cash in their 1st period chances….

  457. Bugs says:

    A bench-clearing brawl in tutus?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  458. Bugs says:

    He would look GREAT on our 2nd line.

    Friggin Claude Brochu…

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  459. Bugs says:

    Oh, sorry.

    I just naturally assumed that anyone who could qualify our playoff run as a “losing record” had to be a bitter leaf.

    Turns out you’re just crazy.

    Apologies. My bad.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  460. habsfansince91 says:

    daigle was also good enough to be drafted 1st overall. NHL is a whole new level and he’s taking the smart approach by making sure he ahs something to fall back on in case his hockey career doesn’t work out. Just because he was drafted in the first round doesn’t guarantee anything.

  461. camel_larry says:

    Excuse me Boone, Stubbs, Mio, Hickey, and others;

    Please post a new blog. Every time I come to HIO and this is first up I get depressed & leave.

    It hurts your ratings.


    Go Habs Go!

  462. Bryan says:

    It’s true.  And for all we know, he could blow out his knee next week and be done with hockey for the rest of his life.  Never hurts to have a backup plan.


    The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.

  463. avatar_58 says:


  464. Bugs says:

    As opposed to OTHER players listed in the top-30 who are bad skaters with cement hands and really terrible 2-way play?

    C’mon Darth.

    Everyone is fantastic until the rent is due; you know that.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  465. Bugs says:

    Correct ME if I’m wrong but the atomic weight of magnesium is 24.3050.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  466. RiverviewCanadien says:

    It was just a “if I was in his shoes” post. But to that I will say…

    You either have it, or you don’t.

  467. Bugs says:

    Ah, well, see? I WAS wrong.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  468. Mr. Biter says:

    If LL is on a full ride to Harvard he should finish it out. I have no doubt he could be a Dog next year but NHL hockey careers can end suddenly or never pan out , but a degree from Harvard goes on long after the blades are gone.

  469. Mr. Biter says:

    Good post, however I beg to differ slightly on 3 of your core players. AM should be traded when he returns, plays a few games and we get the best we can for him. Don’t get me wrong He is a great player however he’s getting injury prone and will be UFA after next season so unless he signs for a lot less than than his current salary between now and next Nov. (highly unlikly). God forbid he gets hurt again next year but he slowed down this year before his last injury and we have no idea how he will perform next saeson when he returns. Laps, If we get the one who played in the playoffs yes but the one who played the regular season then no. Halak/Price what to do. Price’s value has gone down Halak’s up. We sign them both or let someone make a huge offer to one of them (gotta make sure we don’t lose them both) then trade the one we get the most for. Either way whichever one goes he will at some time bite us in the ass and HIO will go wild.

  470. crabvader says:


    He could also be another Claude Giroux.

    As negative as he could turn out, he could turn out just as positive.

    All I’m stating is scouting reports and ranking.

    I’m saying judging by the scouting report, he would fit in if he lived up to that potential.

    I didn’t say: “OH MY GOD EVERYONE! Drop what you’re doing and pay heed to what I have to say! There’s this kid, and, OH MY GODDDDDD, he’s the next Guy Lafleur.”

    I’m not resting any percentage of hope on this kid. I will pay attention to who we draft.

  471. crabvader says:

    He should’ve been an Expo.

  472. arya13 says:

    Of course it does. It serves to denote the precision of the number. It clearly identifies that in the ten thousandths’ place is not a 3 or maybe even a 1 but a ZERO. It allows you to move further to say in the hundred thousandths’ place there can only be 0-4, not merely any digit. So it definetely adds something of value if not adding anything to the actual number.

  473. oshawahabsfan says:

    I am from Oshawa, don’t know how you’d ever confuse those three places haha. Would be neat to have a guy who is local to me play for the Habs one day.

  474. asimh09 says:

    I subscribed to your blog when is the next post

  475. forskis says:

    Not going to wager an opinion on the goalie debate…it is currently settled as far as I am concerned..just going to bring up the hypocrisy that is occurring on both sides though, it would be nice to get rid of it, it makes the conversation/reading bearable:

    1)  Those that complain that the Price/Halak guys cheer for the name on the back and not the logo on the front and say that if the team gets rid of Halak/Price they will stop following the team…and honestly, if you declare that you are not going to follow the team, do you really think that it will make a difference, ie.  Habs braintrust:  “Oh no!  (Insert screen name) is not going to follow the team anymore!  We must not trade (insert goalie), then!”;

    2)  If the post is the similar to your opinion, it is a “great post” and “a pleasure to read”…if it is counter to your opinion then it is “the dumbest post in the world”….

    3)  If you say something non-negative about Price, that it is a knock against Halak and if you say something non-negative about Halak, then it is a knock against Price…

    We are all sounding like a bunch of politicians around here…if the team keeps both goalies, then the team keeps both goalies…if they choose one over the other, then that is the goalie they choose.  You may not like it, but it is what it is…

    Those that annointed Price after 18 good months jumped the gun, those that are throwing him under the bus after 18 bad months are jumping the gun….those that are annointing Halak after 18 good months are jumping the gun and those that are calling him the next Steve Penney are jumping the gun…and if you disagree with me then your posts are “the dumbest posts in the world” :P

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  476. Slovak says:

    The point is – Price and Halak together will not work next year – they both want to be n.1 goalies. Therefore I want Halak to stay and Price to leave for some upgrade. I am not saying Halak is god as someone in Montreal wrote. But I simply want him to stay as n.1. period – reasons are clear.

    Of course fans watch their teams also because their favourite players. I started to watch Montreal because of Halak and will follow him to another team if he leaves simply because I want to watch his play. That does not mean I will not watch Montreal – but my loyalty is based mainly on players and attitude of organization towards them – it is not about Town itself – logically I have no emotional connection with it although I believe Montreal is a great city. 

    This is the truth. Does that make me less fan than any of you?

    Maybe yes, maybe not – decision is up to you – I can understand both sides

  477. ed lopaz says:

    Pascal Vincent could easily be the next coach in hamilton. he is currently coach and gm of the Montreal Juniors.

    rds article confirms that he would interested in the job once boucher’s move becomes official this week.


  478. forskis says:

    Oh, I am not talking about who is a “better fan” or “more of a fan”…that is a silly thing to debate or declare…I am talking about what makes a discussion good and what turns it into a battle of E-peens…I am sure you have noticed that a lot of the discussion around here degenerates into name-calling and baiting and random insults and I believe hyprocrisy is a huge cause of that and that is the only thing I was talking about.  Talking about the qualities and pre-requisites of a fan is rather pointless, we all have our reasons.

    “I am guilty of using elipses…”

  479. TomNickle says:

    Less of a fan of the organization? Yes.  But that’s not the point in deciding which goalie to keep.

    The fact is that there’s nothing to indicate that Jaroslav Halak won’t go through the same struggles that Carey Price and numerous goaltenders around the league have gone through after finding success early in their careers as goaltenders.  Hard work isn’t an automatic bypass through struggling.

    At the very least you want the team to be successful with Halak on it.  That’s more than many others can say regardless of which side of the decision they’re on.

    I saw below that you mentioned Halak’s positives outweigh the play me or trade me statement.  The reward for playing him this season is certainly better than any return we would’ve gotten prior to his stellar play but that alone isn’t reason to keep him.  If his salary demands are too high the organization isn’t in a position to retain him and no player is bigger than the team.

    Further to that, is there anything to indicate that he won’t give management another ultimatum if he struggles next season and Price or any other goaltender happens to take the starting job away?  No.

    I’m honest in saying that I respect Jaroslav Halak but don’t like him.  The funny thing is that I like Carey Price’s upside but I don’t have much respect for him.  I’m currently not in a boat where I throw my support behind the team keeping one or the other.  Neither should be cashing in to the extents being reported by media outlets and both of those goalies still have a lot of growing up to do both in their games and as professionals.

  480. Slovak says:


    now what about Halak being next Roy – joking :)

    Last night I did read something about Hossa and man I could not sleep for a while… The pressure must be killing him. I hope he will have great night and get the cup finally or has great psychologist in the other case.

  481. Slovak says:

    That is fair argument, respect.

    Halak said play me or trade me in situation where Price did play no matter what remember? Even if Halak had great game and Price had series of bad games Price was in, remember? Again those 2 can not be in the same team anymore. Every player has right to say play me or trade me if he is constantly showing for 2 years he is much more better than sitting on bench.

    I personally feel Halak did achieve more than Price so far and proved everything he was asked for under hell pressure… therefore he deserves to be the n.1 goalie in MTL, moreover he fits the team more than Price ever did – I believe that is also one of strong points why MTL got so far in playoffs.

    You can disagree of course, all of my logic stands on what I saw on the ice when Halak was in and when Price was in. I understand people have different perception of things and I am not saying that I am right at all costs.

    I just feel Halak deserves something back for what he did beside money and it is not fair to consider trading him as the first idea that comes to anyones mind. It should be like this:

    Try to keep Halak, because he is at least our priority after he proved himself and did everything we hoped for in our wildest dreams. It is clear someone can make an offer that simply can not be denied or matched. This logic is fair.

    I just want to see him play with the same or pretty same bunch of guys to see another part of exciting story…


  482. jrshabs1 says:

    Good for Guy..!!!!

  483. TomNickle says:

    One thing to keep in mind.  Saying Halak played better than Price this season is a no brainer.  But saying he’s a better fit is a stretch.

    Remember that Price is nothing short of spectacular when it comes to handling and passing the puck.  When you have a forward group of small skilled players, that makes a goaltender playing the puck a better fit for the team.  The same applies for a team that is very defensive minded and takes away space in the neutral zone as we do.  And for the tri-fecta, our defensemen by majority are slow, which makes a goaltender who can come out of the net and play the puck almost essential.  Many people ignore this facet of Price’s game when evaluating why he played more than Halak at the beginning of last year, and it shouldn’t be overlooked.  I say that with special cause considering that Halak worked very hard to improve his puck handling skills.  It’s obvious that management and Jacques Martin want and need a goaltender who is more than capable of handling the puck and moving it out of our zone quickly.

    I’m not saying Halak shouldn’t be offered a contract but I feel he has made a huge mistake in who he has chosen for representation.  That may in the end decide whether he plays with the Habs or not.

  484. Slovak says:

    Understand,  I don’t like his agent either. But on the other hand his agent did never give up on him…

    By fitting the team I meant chemistry between players…

    Jaro needs to improve some parts of his play that is for sure but at least you can see he is trying hard and following his goal constantly – there are no major up and downs in his long term performance curve.

    Anyway we will see how things turn out – but I hope I will watch the first game next season and Jaro will get shutout and HABS offence will be so quick and effective I will have problems to follow the puck :)

  485. Storm Man says:

    Yawn…. More talk about Price/Halak…. Did BP fix that oil leak yet?

  486. Slovak says:

    Didn´t Halak stop it already?

  487. riglans09 says:

    I would like to read more of your blogs and to share my thoughts with you

  488. megagoten says:

    i want to see management try halak and price..

    because i’m curious

  489. Storm Man says:

    No he called Theodore to ask for his help.

  490. Slovak says:

    S..t, but that is why they were able to stop only 1/3 of it, If they only believed in Halak and let him finish his work. Decisions, decisions

  491. VintageFan says:

    Anybody got a notion what compensation the Habs will require from Tampa?  3 coaches must be worth something

  492. terrygain says:

    It’s a stretch to say that the obviously better goalie is a better fit? Bizarre. Almost as bizarre as suggesting we can prove who knows more about hockey by taking to the ice.

    Halak is a better goalie than Price because his concentration is superior; he plays the angles better;  he doesn’t overplay the puck and he gives up far fewer soft goals. 

  493. rockyag09 says:

    I subscribed to your blog when is the next post

  494. Willy the bum says:

    Last year, the organization made a whole new team, and now they made a whole new management.  I wonder if next year, they’ll trade off Youppi! for ice cheerleaders…

    Other than that, we wish Boucher and his staff luck, and guess we can cheer for them if the Bolts come by the Bell Centre next season.

  495. randyg09 says:

    I subscribed to your blog when is the next post

  496. G-Man says:


  497. Slovak says:

    it’s good to have dreams, never give up on them

  498. SeriousFan09 says:

    That’s his problem, but it has been indicated that Boucher’s system would be very difficult to manage with a team lacking any solid puck-moving defencemen, albeit I suspect they’re addressing that with either Fowler or Gudbranson (??? Even I’m not sure on that spelling) with their 4th overall pick.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  499. mike g says:

    If I were Howson, I’d be livid…

    Here’s a coach who basically turned around the Bulldogs in his 1st year, and helped alot of young players devellop properly in a short period of time. In Columbus, Boucher would have been awsome for Filatov, Brassard, etc…All young players trying to find their way and some consistency in the NHL….

    Oh well, better for the Habs!

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  500. mike g says:

    For a developpment perspective, I think Boucher would have been excellent for the youngsters in CLB, including their pick this year.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  501. Slovak says:

    I feel the same way as you – not because I am Slovak. It is simple how I see the game. If the first idea of Habs management is to choose Price over Halak simply because they calculate about money as many people here do – it is not the game – it is business – I don’t want to be fan of business rats – SIMPLY I DON’T. I have got enough business in my work I don’t need another – rather I want to see trying someone to put together all points that create this great game: heart, skills, tactic, logic, passion, belief, commitment, sacrifice and business is just one point in a row…

    The biggest problem I see here is that many people do not say TRY keep Halak. They automatically think about how high is his price today… this way Habs never win the cup – it will be constant selling out of PROVEN POTENTIAL and hoping for miracles to come – can’t you see people that this did not work?

    Keep the hard core of the team and build on that in a long term – decide and go – do not twist around and around… come on I want to see the great team again and who say they will not continue in playoff trend, well what if they do? My belief stands on performances I saw, on what stands belief of many people here that Habs will go down if not doing big changes this summer???? On 3 games agains FLyers and 1 against Pens and 1 agains Washington? My belief stands on cca 14 playoff games and the end of regular season.


  502. TomNickle says:

    Really?  You’re going to compare losing Halak to the Red Sox losing Babe Ruth, the Mariners losing Alex Rodriguez, the Falcons losing Deion Sanders and Brett Favre?

    The Bruins losing Orr, the Oilers losing Gretzky, the Oilers losing Messier, the Penguins losing Jagr(which set them back 10 years I might add)?

    I’m sorry, but losing Markov would be far more devastating for this franchise than losing either goaltender would be.

  503. kmachabs27 says:

    IF WE GET RID OF HALAK AND KEEP PRICE… selling out this team i dont care….that will be the biggest mistake in sports histroy…ill will for the first time ever…be embarassed to be a habs fan.

  504. habsgod says:

    if you really feel that way the laffs will be more than happy to accept you as a fan! i know halak took us to the conference finals ……….price has the ability and talent to take us to the cup and win it!

  505. wotever says:

    8 points in the softest division in the NHL vs a tough division, the top team of said soft division was “top in the league”, and then lost to the 8th place team in the first round.

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  506. wotever says:

    :-D.  I wish there was an upvote button.

    You’ll have to speak up – I’m wearing a towel.

  507. doug says:

    Sad news – very, very bright guy. TB is in very solid shape; wish we could have found way to keep him. Don’t mean to be pessimistic but think this playoff was bright spot to hold on to or a few more years. Can’t see much improving with cap situation, but we’ll see.

  508. pmaraw says:

    ArponBasu is reporting that Guy Boucher has taken the job with Steve Yzerman in TB (via@rdsca)

  509. Hockey Socks says:

    Guy Boucher could be Vinny’s resurrection. Scary!

  510. pmaraw says:

    too bad its the wrong city

  511. Habscore says:




  512. camel_larry says:




    Go Habs Go!

  513. Qais says:

    What do we get in return. Give us VINNY in returnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


  514. gmd says:

    Sucks to be us.

  515. Chris says:

    Now the question is whether Kirk Muller gets an interview in New Jersey…  Losing both Boucher and Muller to other teams would probably keep the comments section here humming right through to the draft.  I almost want it to happen just to see half the posters here blowing their gaskets with impotent rage!

  516. MathMan says:

    This is a disaster for Montreal.

    No other way to say it.

    Keeping Martin and letting go Boucher is stupid, no two ways around it. 

    Not a good start for the Habs’ offseason. Does not reflect well on the organisation. Looks like Gauthier’s reign is starting under a bad sign. 

    There’s really no rational reason to think this is a prelude to a diastrous offseason, but why do I feel like this is the beginning of the team circling down the drain?

    Look to Tampa to finish ahead of the Habs and make the playoffs next year.

    If you weren’t worried before, you should be now. This is going to be a rough offseason and, I fear, a short season that’ll feel very, very long. Sigh.

  517. pmaraw says:

    now I know how toronto feels losing their #2 draft pick.

  518. punkster says:

    It’s the end of the world as we know it. Doom and gloom has befallen us once again. We’ll never recover.

    So Chris, who will get the majority of blame? Because blame must be laid at someone’s feet. Heads must roll.

    LOL…this is going to be classic.


  519. Jbird says:

    You are not serious.  I like the sounds of Bouch – but come on now.  You seriously think that Bouch will coach in tampa for the rest of his life . . . . . like missing Tyler Segan?  Serious?

  520. Chris says:

    Letting a young coach go for a better opportunity when the team already has an established coach with 3 years left on his deal in front of him reflects badly on the Canadiens?

    People…every team in the NHL would do the same thing as the Habs in this situation.  There is this persistent thought that Jacques Martin has this unspoken agreement to take over the GM office in a year or two.  I have to ask…what makes people so sure that Pierre Gauthier has any intentions whatsoever of giving up his job? 

    Gauthier was an assistant GM for 2 seasons in Anaheim, GM in Ottawa for 3 seasons and then GM in Anaheim for another 4 seasons.  He has far more experience than Jacques Martin in that role, and was in fact the GM that hired Jacques Martin as head coach of the Senators back in 1996.  I have a feeling the two of them are comfortable with their working arrangement.

    When you have young, ambitious coaches in your organization that other teams are willing to promote, it would be crass to do anything but step aside and let those young coaches climb the ladder.  Montreal has benefitted from this themselves in the past, signing talented people away from other organizations, and have themselves lost talented coaches and administrators to other NHL franchises.  That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

  521. punkster says:

    Oops…thing about hockey is, you never really know what’s going to happen next. Someone pulls out the defective twig and BOOM…


  522. Chris says:

    This is clearly all Timo’s fault. I am surprised you even have to ask.

    By the way, my prediction is that Patrice Brisebois starts coaching in the near future. And in my happy daydreams, Eric Desjardins joins the Canadiens organization as a defensive coach. :)

  523. ari says:

    What is wrong with you people?sad news yes for sure but it is not like losing wayne gretzky here. relax.for once let some one get nhl experience some where else.I wish him best of luck,but not against montreal!

    What is carbo thinking right now?

  524. punkster says:

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!


  525. Josh says:

    The Habs just let a potentially great coach just walk away. Expect Boucher to have a long and amazing career in the NHL while the Habs will continue to settle with guys like Carbo, Martin, Gauthier, and Boivin(who believes speaking french gives you special abilities).

  526. punkster says:

    The Breezer’s flowing locks would look stunning behind the bench.


  527. Chris says:

    The team should definitely hire Brisebois to coach the team’s defencemen.  Especially Subban…P.K. could really learn a lot about taking too many risks in the defensive zone from Brisebois…  :D

    And now that Kerry Fraser has retired, we can hire him to share “Hair Consultant” duties with Brisebois.  Can you imagine the fight for the mirrors in the Bell Centre with Fraser, Brisebois and Joel Bouchard all in the same building?

  528. punkster says:

    “Exciting” is the new “System”. All hail “Exciting”!


  529. Chris says:

    Yeah, but how would the team ever Gel (TM) next year when Patrice has monopolized all the hair product in La Belle Province?

  530. gohabsgo25 says:

    this will pave the way for kirk to become the head coach of our habs. GB has to prove himself and get some nhl experience than come back.

    The lighting are gonna be a force with stevie y as gm. there going to be tough hopefully PG gets fired and we get a gm that knows how to make a hockey team win.


  531. Tis Himself says:

    The Breezer takes the head coaching job with the Jackets and I am just through rooting for the Habs!!!

  532. avatar_58 says:

    That’s because IF that happens then clearly the management has lost their goddamn minds.

  533. andrewberkshire says:

    Everything you’re saying in this comment is exactly what MathMan is saying, and it pisses him off, for good reason.

  534. avatar_58 says:

    You know what makes me laugh? It was suggested SEVERAL times (even by myself) that Yzerman be offered the GM job….but no. Instead they looked within. Now we lose Boucher to whom? Oh! Yzerman and co! Oy….

    Look they better hold onto Muller for dear life. There’s no way I’d be happy seeing both guys leave. Especially not with Martin behind the bench.

  535. yathehabsrule says:

    So, do the Habs get LeCavalier as compensation????? lol


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  536. avatar_58 says:

    Oh for F sakes, a 4 year deal????

    I really hope the men in charge of this team know what they’ve just lost. I can’t believe this. Well Muller I really hope you love the CH because if you leave us with jack Marty in charge for his entire term I’m going to cry in the corner…

  537. Chris says:

    Here’s my question…how come no teams have seriously looked at trying to bring over any of the European head coaches?  There was a nice article on this not so long ago on the CBC website.

    Since Alpo Suhonen and Ivan Hlinka came over in 2000-01, no European coaches have been given much of a thought.  Might be interesting to take another look at that experiment, albeit with a year or two adjustment in the AHL to give them a chance for success.  Along with some of the names mentioned in the article, guys like Bengt-Ake Gustafsson or Sergei Nemchinov might be worth considering. 

    And I personally feel that Igor Larionov might have the potential to be an excellent coach, as he was one of the rare stars that was a thinker on the ice, as opposed to an instinctual player.  Ron Francis would be another one that falls in that category.

  538. Chris says:

    Guess my reading skills aren’t up to par.  I haven’t the foggiest how the gist of my post is the exact same as MathMan’s. 

    Letting Jacques Martin go after a surprise run to the conference finals would make the organization look bad.  He’s not going anywhere for at least a year.

    Guy Boucher was a hot commodity and would have been stupid to wait around.  I’m just not sure I understand the drama here.

  539. andrewberkshire says:

    Well, there’s a reason to watch TB games. Hope he does well, and I hope he has an out clause so he can come back to Montreal whenever.

  540. avatar_58 says:

    Uwe Krupp is who came to my mind when you mentioned this. Not really sure why this is

  541. avatar_58 says:

    Don’t be silly, with Stevie Y and Boucher I think that team’s issues will be solved in a few years. Just wait and see.

  542. andrewberkshire says:

    Pretty sure the Habs interviewed Bykov last summer before Martin was hired, so it’s not like they’re never considered.

  543. light_n_tasty says:

    Tampa Bay Lightning = Montreal Canadiens if the fans were in charge.  I wonder how they’ll do.  Next step for Tampa: Carey Price.

  544. andrewberkshire says:

    MathMan is being doom and gloom about the situation, saying it was a mistake. You wrote a long comment explaining why this was a virtual inevitability, which MathMan has been saying all year so he clearly knows that. Everyone knows Martin is Gauthier’s guy, and he’s expressing frustration at that. So I’m saying you went on and corrected him about nothing for no reason.

  545. andrewberkshire says:

    Carey Price, Plekanec and MTL’s 1st round pick for Stamkos. Do it Yzerman, you owe us now.

  546. HardHabits says:

    I don’t like this at all. Tampa scores two coups.

  547. Chris says:

    I made my comment because I took issue with the comment that not hiring Boucher makes the Canadiens’ organization look bad.  That is overly melodramatic.  There is nothing in this situation that makes the Habs look bad.

    I think many of us remember these same conversations but with “Don Lever” in place of “Guy Boucher”.  If Guy Boucher pans out, bully for him.  If he doesn’t, guess we’re off the hook of watching another rookie head coach struggle under the pressures of Montreal.

  548. HardHabits says:

    Way to rub salt into that wound.

  549. MathMan says:

    I can see why it was inevitable, I can see why in good conscience the Habs couldn’t keep Boucher from walking away (well, there was one way). But it’s still craptastic for the Canadiens, and a sign of awful things to come. Martin, at least in his Habs incarnation, is a terrible coach. If hockey considerations were the only ones, he wouldn’t have lasted until the playoffs. But his utter fluke of an ECF finish has given him an entirely undeserved immunity. He’s going to need to be replaced sooner rather than later, and Boucher was a fine candidate for the succession. Now he’s gone — where else are the Habs going to find the developmental wizard with a resolutely modern hockey system that has been their #1 area of need all year?

    That Gauthier induced Gainey to hire Martin (when Lemaire was reportedly available!), then elected to keep him does not reflect well on his abilities as a GM. Yes, Martin is his guy. Judging from Martin’s dismal performance this season, that puts his judgement into question. I’m very, very worried that he will let Martin run the team into the ground for far longer than is healthy.

    In an ideal world, the second he was asked to talk to Boucher for a head coaching job in the NHL, he should have offered the Habs’ job to Boucher right then and there. He may or may not be a miracle worker, but it’s hard to imagine him doing worse.


  550. MathMan says:

    I’d rather take my chances with the unproven rookie guy than stick with the guy who’s proven he can’t coach the team effectively. Maybe that’s just me.

  551. TripleX says:

    So Tampa gets the GM the Molson’s should have hired and the coach this team deserves.  Thanks Geoff!

    I imagine Yzerman wisely gave him the deal Columbus would not.  The right to take his whole crew from Hamilton and control over hockey decisions.  Stevie Y learned his lessons from the best GM in the business in Holland and the best run organization in the NHL.


    “Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”

  552. HardHabits says:

    It makes the Canadiens look bad if, and that’s a big CAPS LOCKS italics bold IF, TB turns it around and has a deep play-off run next season AND the Habs miss the play-offs, then in retrospect, this will look very bad.

  553. andrewberkshire says:

    It’s not melodramatic at all, as soon as Gauthier was named GM it made the organization look terrible. This is a guy whose done nothing positive in his two prior stints as GM, is known as an unfriendly obsessive who can’t lure UFAs, and has a buddy/buddy relationship with a coach who was the biggest obstacle in Montreal getting further in the playoffs. It looks terrible on the organization that twice in a year we’ve been willing to settle for mediocrity instead of putting in the effort to improve long term.

  554. MathMan says:

    Well, the Habs missing the playoffs is extremely likely. TB finishing ahead of the Habs looks like a virtual lock. I don’t think that TB will make a deep play-off run, but expect it to look very bad nonetheless.

    Especially if the Habs end up needing to look for a coach during or right after the season.

  555. Chris says:

    I am not sold on Martin’s genius either.  I think the Habs had a nice run, but they are still the same team that squeaked into the playoffs.

    And I think quite highly of Boucher…he’s an impressive guy, from all accounts, and I wish him well.  But like you said above, this was the inevitable consequence of the Habs upsetting the Capitals and Penguins…once that happened, all bets for a succession were off.

    Boucher may turn out to be a good coach.  He’s got some nice pieces in Tampa Bay, although that team has some serious cap issues coming its way with Stamkos likely negotiating a big extension over the next year and Kurtis Foster and Steve Downie due sizable raises.  Their goaltending is also a bit of a mystery, as Mike Smith has never been the same since his concussion. 

    If Lecavalier gets his head on straight, Boucher could come up roses.  If Lecavalier’s injury problems the past couple of seasons were instead a portent of an early physical decline and St. Louis is dealt this off-season as many suspect he might be, the Bolts could be in trouble and Boucher and Yzerman could get burned.

  556. MathMan says:

    Ironic, isn’t it? Halak saves Martin’s job by hauling the team into the playoffs, then buys him virtual immunity by hauling the team to the ECF.

    Hard to fault the guy for doing his job so well, but man, that little run might have put the Habs into a 2-year developmental hole right there, especially if the brass gets blinded to the fact that it’s still a pretty lousy club for all that it has a strong-on-paper roster.

    Halak might yet turn out to be the worst thing that ever happened to the Habs this decade, in a sick, twisted sort of way.

  557. Chris says:

    “This is a guy whose done nothing positive in his two prior stints as GM”

    His record in Ottawa was, in my opinion, very solid.  He made a good coaching hire (Jacques Martin), brought in a ton of good character players to supplement the youngsters they were accumulating via the draft, and drafted well during his tenure (Chris Phillips, Andreas Dackell, Sami Salo, Marian Hossa, Magnus Arvedson, Karel Rachunek, Mike Fisher and Chris Neil came out of the three drafts that Gauthier helmed).  He did benefit from some excellent players that were already in place (Alfredsson, Yashin, Bonk Straka and Demitra), but I think it is overly critical to say he brought nothing positive to that franchise, which was a laughing stock and extraordinarily unstable when he and Martin took over the reins. 

    In Anaheim, he took over a team that boasted a star in Teemu Selanne, an up-and-comer in Paul Kariya and a good goalie in Guy Hebert.  Steve Rucchin was their next best player.  I agree that he did not do much with that franchise over his tenure.

    So I’m going to disagree with you and say he was 1 for 2.

  558. Chris says:

    I’m not sure I disagree with you here, either.  Like the Habs miracle injury-free season in 2007-08 masking some deficiencies that blew up on the team in 2008-09, I also worry that the playoff run this spring has people overlooking the issues facing the team going into next season.  Time will tell. 

  559. MathMan says:

    Hard to believe Martin was once a good coaching hire isn’t it? Let’s hope Gauthier is not quite as obsolete as Martin…

  560. MathMan says:

    Hopefully, the organization doesn’t get blinded by a fluke like the fans are.

  561. MathMan says:

    The problem is that the Habs got to 88 points with Halak playing out of his mind. Halak will not be a .924 career goalie (seriously, even Hasek couldn’t pull that off) so he is bound to regress. And the Habs don’t have a good enough system that they can get away with merely excellent goaltending. 88 points won’t make the playoffs next year either. I think top-5 in the East is wildly unrealistic; barring a radical change in system, I think bottom-5 is infinitely more likely.

    TB may not have an elite goalie, but they have the pieces and the coaching to create a team that can survive with “good enough” goaltending. If Yzerman can acquire a quality goalie, it’s hard not to see Tampa finishing comfortably ahead of the Habs. Heck, even with a merely decent goalie, and I do think they have that, I think Boucher-coached Tampa is a better team than a Martin-coached Montreal. Martin-coached Montreal is a pretty craptastic team once you get past the unsustainable goaltending.

  562. Chris says:

    If I’ve learned one thing from the NHL this season, it is that goalie successes can be very fleeting. Anybody remember the finalists for last year’s Vezina Trophy?

  563. Steve Mason (33-20-7, 2.29 GAA, 0.916 SV%, 10 SO)
  564. Niklas Backstrom (37-24-8, 2.33 GAA, 0.923 SV%, 8 SO)
  565. Tim Thomas (36-11-7, 2.10 GAA, 0.933 SV%, 5 SO)
  566. Flash-forward to this season…

  567. Steve Mason (20-26-9, 3.05 GAA, 0.901 SV%, 5 SO)
  568. Niklas Backstrom (26-23-8, 2.71 GAA, 0.903 SV%, 2 SO)
  569. Tim Thomas (17-18-8, 2.56 GAA, 0.915 GAA, 5 SO
  • santeri says:

    How about luring Fetisov out of his minister job in Russia? He’s served a few years as an assistant in New Jersey already and has a superb hockey mind.

  • Chris says:

    Martin got burned by the changes in the NHL rules…fortunately for him, the NHL is slowly allowing more interference in the neutral zone, so I suspect he will enjoy success once again at the NHL level.

    The rinks are simply too small for the players now…teams that clog up the ice effectively and counter-attack well will still be good teams. Unfortunately, Gionta and Cammalleri were not able to provide the offence his system required on their own, and the Habs succumbed to a deeper Flyers team.

    Martin could very well work out if Gauthier is able to bring in the right kind of players to fit a defence-first system. Don’t forget, the Habs of 2009-10 were just one year removed from the run-and-gun Habs of 2008-09.

    The house-cleaning got rid of some players (Higgins, Komisarek, Kostopoulos) that probably would have fit a Martin system quite well while keeping or bringing in others (AK46, Cammalleri, Latendresse) that had no hope of fitting that system. Dominic Moore is an excellent fit for Martin, and we’ll have to see who else Gauthier brings in to complete the transformation to New Jersey lite.

  • ManApart says:

    You forgot the French part

  • MathMan says:

    Martin’s defense-first system isn’t. It doesn’t provide any defense. It bleeds chances against. New Jersey does not play the way Martin has the Habs play. New Jersey defends in the neutral zone. Montreal collapses around the net and lets the other team have their way.

    I don’t know that there’s any players that can fit that abomination and make it work. All you can do is load up with grinders so you don’t waste offensive talent so much.

    It’s never going to work. Period.

  • MathMan says:

    If you don’t think Halak will regress, then you acknowledge he is the best goaltender in NHL history. That’s what a sustained .924 save percentage would make him. Whoever is in nets for the Habs next year, he won’t be this good.

    Philly isn’t all that great. They really got lucky that Halak eliminated Pittsburgh and Washington for them because I don’t think they would have been able to. By far they were the weakest of the three teams the Habs faced in the playoffs, but the Habs’ luck just ran out.

  • santeri says:

    True. I’d imagine Larionov would have no trouble familiarizing himself with enough French hockey vocabulary to get by. I mean, he’s already in the wine business.

  • shootdapuck says:

    AND Gauthier won what while GM in Anaheim and Ottawa?

    Experience as a failure does not a winner make!



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    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

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  • Bugs says:

    Holland teaches would-be GMs to hand over all hockey operations to rookie NHL coaches?


    That Detroit City, eh? They got all the answers.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  • Bugs says:

    Boucher and Yzerman on an 12th place team, watch out!

    Wonder if they’ll actually PLAY as good as your awestruck fawning projects, Double-H.

    Or will the players be doing that?

    Cuz call me crazy but I’d rather have Cammy and Gio than Boucher and Yzerman.

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  • Bugs says:

    “Wait and see” for what you “think” will happen?

    So your uncertainty is conclusive then?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  • Bugs says:

    I think it’s because the Bolts needed a coach.

    Habs don’t. Their coach got’em to the 3rd round. Doin just fine.

    Yeah, yeah, grass is greener, I know… Nevermind what we’ve seen with our own eyes, what COULD be is always better, right?

    …dude knows talent when he sees it…ferpetessakes. Grandstanding pettiness, Chris? Really?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  • G-Man says:

    Man, when you spread the manure, you spread it thick.

  • SlovakHab says:

    That would be epic.

  • Qais says:

    What if we had signed Boucher as head coach. People would whine about his experience. There is always something to say. For now, let’s just wait and hope for a better season next year.


  • crabvader says:

    After all, coaching is probably 10-20% of winning a hockey game. The rest, and most important part of it, is on the players.

  • Slovak says:

    My tightened Core – HABS hardcore – that is for me in “try to keep at all reasonable costs” mode:

    Cammalleri, Gionta, Gorges, Subban, Gomez, Gill (now they know what it means hard teamwork and will sacrifice for this team and are not afraid of playing in Montreal), Markov (charismatic leader if not continuosly injured), Plekanec (He can play harder and I believe he will), Halak (will be next Halak and we saw what it means) + Moen maybe I am not sure.

    Put some skilled hybrid sumo-basketball players around them if you want + 2 speed goalscorers.

    Let’s build HABS to be the speedest and smartest team in offence not highest.

  • Slovak says:

    And I think Martin deserves a chance to finish his work – at least one more year – many things will be clearer – I can see doubts still prevail here about HABS future. Personally I have no reason to buy into this taken from air negativity after I saw HABS this year – MAN they are getting better but maybe it was all just popular “flash in the pan” – seriously everything can be just “flash in the pan” you, me and whole life on Earth too, one space rock can change it all in a second… and you and I will be just another silent unvisible space material.

    Still depressed? :))

  • crabvader says:

    Tampa finally got rid of all their loose ends.

    Koules/Barrie, Tocchet, Lawton.

    They, in my opinion, were really dragging that organization through the ground.

  • ed lopaz says:

    Hey Slovak, it is a pleasure to read your posts, and I can tell you that I agree with most of them.

    I am sure that the Habs will do everything they can to keep Halak – he deserves EVERYONE’s respect.

    I know from a reliable source – close to Halak personally – that he is agreat guy, a very hard worker, an excellent teammate, and respected by everyone in the Habs organisation.

    I agree that Martin will stay on for at least 1 more year – and now that Boucher is gone, probably longer.

    I personally do not like Martin and his style of dealing with O’byrne, but the team won with him and that’s what counts in the end.

    Don’t be discourage if some posters have different opinions – even if they are negative on Halak, for example.

    That’s what makes HIO interesting – and a good life experience – learning to disagree with people without freaking out and resorting to fights and name calling.

    one player I disagree with many smart posters on, is plekanec.

    I liked what I saw in the regular season, but not so much when we played tougher style games in the playoffs.

    He’s excellent skater, and very good hands, and great vision. I would keep him if we did not already have a long term committmenbt to Gomez who is a similar, but much more experienced, player.

    Gomez will have to stay, so i don’t want to try and win in the playoffs with my #1 and #2 centers as gomez and Plekanec.

    NHL is a tough league – especially for center position – where the center is expected to be the 3rd defenceman in the defensive zone coverage.

    the team would be much stronger if our second center was someone like jordan staal, who has the size and determination to cover the big strong forwards in front of our net, or against the boards.

  • Slovak says:

    Thanks, I know I get too emotional sometimes for Halak, but I won´t trade any of my hardcore list players. 

    And I also know someone who knows him, beside that his personality and attitude is pretty clear through slovak media, canadian media, performance on the ice, perception by his teammates, etc.

    Popular “play me or trade me” negative argument is burried under tons of positive things and beside that I would do the same and Price will do the same if he is not n.1 goalie next year – every ambitious player wants to play.

    But most important thing why I like Halak is that I can idetify with his way of going through life.

    Plekanec has all except more physical play, but I believe he knows about this weakness and he can work on that – build up some muscle and force the willingness to sacrifice for team – he is before signing another contract this year and I think in playoff games he watched himself a little not to be injured…

    I believe Plekanec will be a “little torpedo” after he signs long term contract this year. On the other side I understand your argument.

    In Martin´s case – next year will show if he is “hidden genius” or not – For now I don´t want to use “probably” word – he deserves my belief as all core players do.

    I understand this team needs constant upgrade as any team in NHL, I say – go get some bigger physical players but do it according to all main advantages of this team: speed, smartness, teamwork. I would give Plekanec a chance, but if there is something strong on the other side – ok maybe do it – but don´t change him for just big guy who barely stands on skates…

    Don´t do any quick changes just for changes, better wait another year and play the same core players – the same who showed they are able to be in finals.

    I am so excited to see them next season.

    PS: Anyway, I can not watch any other team – lights coming out of my TV are best from Bell centre..:)


  • HabsFanInTampa says:

    Captain Kirk in Tampa would be a good fit. The team chemistry is suitable for Muller’s coaching style.

  • sailor2963 says:

    I fear that we are going to regret letting Boucher get away.  From all accounts he is a special coach.  I suspect he will shine quickly with the talent that exists in Tampa Bay.  Good luck to him!

  • Qais says:

    From now on, Boucher belongs to another team. Thus, we should not be spending out time talking aboutim’ 

    Merci bonsoir.


  • pic1983 says:

    Well said! We wont get a fair deal for either of them.  Frankly I have confidence in both, and I think both of them are still quite unproven (leighton had a good run in the playoffs this year, but im sure no one here is wishing for him to be our starting goalie).  Unless we get a kings ransom for one of them, there is no point in trading them because, as you said, “the goaltender market is about as hot as that for greecian bonds”.

    Great quote by the way.

  • B says:

    Everyone likes Montreal coaches, well other than the press and fans in Montreal :)

  • SmartDog says:


    Who is more likely to win a cup in the next 4 years?

    A. The Lightning

    B. The Habs

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  • avatar_58 says:

    The habs. Yeah that’s right. I said it. ;)

  • Caper says:

    Habs brother.

  • TomNickle says:

    Habs.   One reason…..Mike Smith.

  • Chris says:

    Neither is going to win the Cup in the next 4 years, barring a miracle.  Chicago, Washington and Pittsburgh are already at the top of the heap and still young. 

    Of yesterday’s also-rans, Los Angeles has the inside track on Stanley Cup contention, with the Blues coming up pretty quickly as well.  And I would watch out for Boston…injury ravaged this season, they have a lot of good draft picks to work with to build on a pretty solid core.


  • RiverviewCanadien says:

    Oh well.

    No point in everyone bitching, good for Guy to land an NHL coaching job. But he and his staff are now the enemies!

  • habsrlosers says:

    at the end of the day, does it really matter, re Boucher?

    no matter what happens, habland remains the same, the team doesn’t improve because it never does, and the constant remains. that is, a team of mediocrity. It’s been this way for the past 18 years, and I imagine 18 years from now, it will be the same. And we’ll be asking the same questions?

    1) when is this team going to get bigger?

    2) when will be have a big strong center?

    3) why can’t we get players to come here?

    4) why can’t we score?

    5) why can’t we ever have a competent english coach?

    did we not ask these same questions every year for the past 18 years?

    YES!  this team won’t ever change and we’ll all continue to bitch.

    I’ve decided to go with the flow, accept mediocrity, and NEVER BUY A TICKET TO A HABS GAME!

    and did you hear there’s an increase in  hab tickets?  that’s right. prices  are going up, by an increase of 15%.

    to pay $300 of hard earned $$$$, to watch these losers get shutout every 3rd or 4th game. no thanks.

    and some of you wonder why no changes are made?

    why should they? Molson knows the team could have the worst record in the league and dumb fans will still pay top $$$ to watch crap on the ice.  

    If you want a winner, then don’t go to the game and force management to put a product on the ice that’s competitive, and 1 that we as fans can be proud of.


  • TomNickle says:

    Your name is Habsrlosers and you use words like we when referring to the team.

    You are not one of us.  You are better suited in the Sun Belt or Central Ontario.


  • Mikey_39 says:

    I agree with you on a lot of your points, but this year’s team showed some promise.  I was too young to remember 93, so this year was my first conference finals, and man was it exciting.  Beating Washington when everyone said we’d lose in 4, and then doing the same thing to Pitts…I can’t wait to see what this team can do if they stay healthy.  I think we are a few good additions away from making a run for the cup.

    Keep the faith as a true habs fan would.  Nothing is worse than the people who just jump on the bandwagon when they make some noise in the playoffs.

  • megagoten says:

    that’s funny, did you have that wall of text saved on your desktop for the last 10 years and have you been copy pasting that over and over?

    can’t bring players here? i guess last year’s signings don’t count

    can’t score? second highest scoring team two years ago

    competent english coach? i guess none of our coaches can speak english

    team doesn’t change? welcome to 2010

    shutout for 25% of our games? we were shutout 7 times this year, i’ll let you do the math, wait, you might not be able to, 7/82 is 8.5%, you estimated the habs getting shutout three times as many times. we were shutout about every 12th game


  • HardHabits says:

    Last 18 years = next 18 years: check

    1) when is this team going to get bigger? –> never

    2) when will be have a
    big strong center? –> never

    3) why can’t we get players to come here? –> becuase they want to play on winners

    why can’t we score? see 1,2 and 3

    5) why can’t we ever have a competent english
    coach? –> because hiring incompetent french coaches is politically correct

    Habs will always be a bubble team. Management will always say that this is the year every year. Rather than take a stab at landing a high draft pick Habs will always squander the future for a quick fix today.

    The Habs are the best locomotive ever but today it is the era of airplanes.

  • joeybarrie says:

    Man oh Man, did we ever need this to make us laugh and forget about this Boucher business…. Thanks.

    Why can’t we get players to come here?  Gill, Gionta, Spacek, Moen, Cammalleri (leading scorer in the playoffs).

    Why can’t we score? Well we OUTSCORED the team with the most goals in the league in the playoffs…

    Why can’t we have a competent English coach? Cause we have a competent Francophone coach, and you can’t have more than one coach. Asst Coach….. How good is Muller’s French?

    When is this team going to get bigger? When bigger players become available. Its not a conspiracy, they arent hidden in their offices saying, lets make them smaller…

    Why would I not want to go to the games…. In the last 6 years we have made the playoffs 5 times, came in first in the East and made the Conf. Finals… This season we played more Hockey than the Sharks, Red wings, Bruins, Sabres, Devils, and all their big centers….

    The real problem is your post. “Molson knows the team could have the worst record in the league and dumb
    fans will still pay top $$$ to watch crap on the ice.”  Thats what makes us the best FANS in the world. Something they don’t understand in Toronto, but then again we didn’t give up our first round draft pick in the year we ended up last to another team for a player that helped us end up dead last… But hey Thank God The Leafs have a BIG CENTER huh… All they need now is A BIG CENTER who can score more than 9 goals a season……….

    Thank you by the way for not buying a ticket to a Habs game. I want to make sure us real fans get to go…How much are tickets to a last place game in Toronto??? Isnt it MORE THAN DOUBLE the league average???  HMM pay 20% more to watch their team lose almost all their games, or pay 20% less to watch them reach the Conference Finals, and take out the number one team in the regular season and the current Stanley Cup Champions….

    But your right, I mean CLEARLY WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE…….. 

    DUMBEST LINE EVER SAID “If you want a winner, then don’t go to the game and force management to
    put a product on the ice that’s competitive, and 1 that we as fans can
    be proud of.”

    Thanks again for making me laugh.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  • habsfan_61 says:

    good luck to boucher. now, if he comes back here to coach down the line he’ll have gained valuable big league experience, unlike the other “rookie star” coaches we have hired in the past. in the mean time we are still stuck with the ottawa fail crew for the next while. deal with it folks.

  • Storm Man says:

    Should be a good day for the owners of pubs and strip clubs on crescent street today. As alot of people on here need a drink. 

  • habsrlosers says:

    and your name is nickel?

    so I guess that  means you’re not  worth more than 5 cents.

    can I call you worthless?

  • Psycho29 says:

    He’s been a member for a whopping 25 minutes….Can you say “Leaf’s fan who’s membership will be revoked in the very near future”?

  • Storm Man says:

    Glad to see our tax dollers hard at work, Even inmates get computer time and maybe he needs friends.

  • habsrlosers says:

    and your name is nickel?

    so I guess that  means you’re not  worth more than 5 cents.

    can I call you worthless?

  • mrhabby says:

    i guess iam a little jealous of what has happened. its a good move for boucher and the lightning since they seem to be putting together a good template for a winning team with some  excellent young players , some vets and of course the great steve y. they are a team on the rise for sure. its weird  as this is what i really wanted to happen with the habs and was hoping the molsons would reach out to steve y when gainey was stepping down and also keep a young,  innovative, agressive coach in the organization.

    this means boucher will not be with the habs anytime soon but you never know. the life of a bench boss is around 3-4 years depending how he advances the team etc,etc. thats when martin contract expries.

    that being said, the habs have to concentrate on the draft and improve from last year. its already an interesting start to the summer.

    ps..lets not get carried away…tampa bay have a long way to go before they are even close to respectable.

  • Say Ash says:

    Off topic: I just noticed Cammy is still on top for goal scoring and Halak back on top for save percentage. Not that I think either could or should get the Conn Smythe, but has a player not in the finals ever won the award?

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Not to my knowledge, occasionally it goes to a losing Finalist player but never for a Non-Finals participant.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • habsrlosers says:

    did you ever think that Cammalleri is still on top because he was the only player scoring for us? that shoukd give you a hint how bad we need to add scorers to this god awful offence.

  • notbigbird says:

    Now that all of the JM apologists have set the record straight, I wonder if it’s permissable to at least regret the loss of GB for about 20 minutes? And is it OK to be of the opinion that we might be losing someone special?

  • avatar_58 says:

    PS Boucher is now the enemy. Nonsense to all this “good luck” stuff. I hope he goes 0-82-0




  • c.robillard says:

    I agree, if you aren’t the habs, then please go 0-82-0 kthxbai


  • j2w4habs25 says:

    hahaha thats funny.

  • habs4later says:

    I agree. In fact I think Boucher is a piece of S***. he was disloyal to The Montreal Canadiens.

    He said to himself:”I’ll use the Canadiens to get 1 year experience in Hamilton, then dump that organization and go to a real NHL team with a professionally run organization, unlike those crappy habs.”

    and to add insult to injury, he’s taking his entire Hamilton staff, STEALING THEM FROM THE HABS!


    why would we want a disloyal coach?  forget it! we have the wondeful can’t win a cup JM instead. yahoo!

    expect 30 more years of mediocrity in Montreal!

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Nice to see your optimism is back.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • joeybarrie says:

    Im pretty sure guys like Komisarek are REAL HAPPY THEY PICKED WINNERS…….


    Honestly one of the dumbest things I have ever heard…. And about your High Draft pick quote. Didn’t we beat the Caps????

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    And the Pittsburgh Tankers. 4 Top 2 picks and we bounced ‘em.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • HardHabits says:

    If that was true teams wouldn’t hire coaches. Coaching is easily 50% of winning hockey games. The other 50% is goaltending.

  • joeybarrie says:

    Hmmm interesting…. So it leaves 0% for scoring…  Do you understand how a team wins? Its not golf, the higher number gets the points….

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  • punkster says:

    Well now, this is more like it. Things were way too tame around here for a month or so. Looks like everyone’s getting limbered up for July 1, testing out their negativity, insults and personal attacks.


  • RiverviewCanadien says:


    so true, and sad…

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Don’t forget the Entry Draft! “AH!!! MINNESOTA PLAYER!!! WE’RE DOOMED!!!”


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • Chris says:


    It’s going to be fantastic.  Once the Bitchfestpalooza was called off when Montreal came back against Washington, all this negativity has been desperately seeking an outlet…

    In the meantime, I’ve got Denmark to watch in the World Cup.  Woo hoo!

  • HardHabits says:

    I am happy. Now my dream of a lottery pick for the Habs for the next few seasons will be realized.

    Montreal Tankadiens.

    Go Tanks Go!!!

  • avatar_58 says:

    Same goes for the finals too. Chicago to win? Bah! I want them to lose. Philly too. I want them both to lose.

  • dufour says:

    haha your so right… Once Habs get eliminated my mind set always changes to “what team do I want to lose more?” rather than “what team do I want to win more?” I end up chearing against teams rather than for one. Thats why this playoffs was so fun because I got to cheer for a team for 3 rounds, thats the longest I have ever been able to cheer for a team in the playoffs ever. Its gotten me some excited for next year.

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” Jacques Plante

  • TomNickle says:

    Dead on Chris.

    I’m mildly embarrassed to say that I had Philadelphia over St. Louis in the Cup at the beginning of the year.  Bittersweet because Phili is there but the Blues didn’t make the playoffs.

    Boston will be a juggernaut in three years.  If they’re smart they’ll trade up to grab one of the elite defensemen in the draft to accompany what will be either Hall or Seguin.

    A draft where they land a combination of Hall or Seguin accompanied by Fowler, Gudbranson or Gormley would be the catalyst for a potential dynasty.

  • HardHabits says:

    So your point is that the Habs aren’t going to win the Cup either, right?

  • doug says:

    Chicago young but facing cap problems effective as soon as season over.  Washington also in a bind and couldn’t get it done against us this year. 

    With the cap it’s very hard to predict.  I think you can say that Montreal is going to be in a tough situation because we’ve got mediocre talent that we can no longer afford for next year, but in four years you don’t know.  This next year will be the toughest one but then we slowly start to get some flexibility.  I agree Boston is the scariest one right now -> good team, few egregious cap issues (Ryder, Thomas), huge young and affordable talent coming in this years draft.  Don’t know why they signed Ferrence, though – Chiarelli appears always capable of a dumb cap move.

  • SmartDog says:

    If that’s true, it’s thanks largely to the Toronto management organization. 

    Another reason to hate Toronto.


    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  • TomNickle says:

    Is it worth noting where Brian Burke is from?

    It’s funny to a certain extent.  It’s like he saw JFJ trading Rask for Raycroft and thought to himself “I can do better than that”.

  • mike g says:

    Pittsburgh will not win the Cup in the next 4 yearsm scratch them off your list…

    Their drafting sucks. They were lucky to get Geno and Sid with back to back 1st or 2nd overall picks. And to add to their luck, they happened to have those high draft picks in 2 back to back years where the top 3 prospects were guaranteed superstars. Can’t say that about many draft years.

    Their farm system is empty. Gonchar is pretty much gone, and even if he returns at 5 mill per year, he’s half the player he once was and is injury prone. They have no wingers to play with Sid or Geno. Ponikarovski is gone, same for Fedotenko, Hossa, etc…Guerin is a UFA, and even if he re-signs we saw in the playoffs the guy is old and the wheels are very rusty….

    So, they’ve become IMO the new Tampa Bay lightning. 2 superstar forwards, and pretty much nothing else. Oh yeah sry, they have Jordan Staal. That same Jordan that scored 29 goals in his rookie year and everyone went banana’s about. Now he struggles to score 20.

    Well see how they do next year, but I don’t have them finishing in the top 4 until they adress their needs.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  • TomNickle says:

    Tangradi and Conner are good prospects.  The cupboard is pretty dry there but you watch Tangradi next year.

    He could win rookie of the year.  He’ll score at least 30 goals on that roster next season.

  • mike g says:

    Those 2 are the only decent prospects they have, appart from that as we both agreed to, there’s nothing.

    And if Gonchar doesn’t re-sign, they’re toast. Burnt toast. When you top 2 defenseman are Goligoski and Letang, your in boiling water. Those 2 aren’t gonna shut down anyone. And with Fleury in nets, ouch. One of the most inconsistent goaltenders in the league. Talk about a guy who benefitted from a rock solid defense 2 years ago, and was totally exposed last year. Immagine next season with a 1-2 punch of Goli and Letang….yikes.

    Even if Gonchar re-signs, he helps the PP but that’s it. I hope he stays in Pittsburgh and signs for 5 mill. Screw up their cap even more than it is already. It may not seem like it, but that team is in a heap of trouble.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Ah PIT, the reigning kings of the Tanker movement. Their inability to attract free agents and draft out of lottery position has Shero watching his back, wouldn’t be surprised if he gambled big and grabbed Kabanov in the draft to try and get a star winger in the pipeline. He can’t keep his job much longer IMO.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    As SlovakHab has popularized, Brian Burke is building the Bruins through the draft.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • SmartDog says:


    Yeah, maybe Toronto is just a stop-over on the way to Boston for “Burkie”

    Man, now THAT’S good strategy!

    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  • TomNickle says:

    They either need to move Malkin to the wing permanently or trade him.  Too much money tied up in one position.

  • TomNickle says:

    Would it really surprise anyone?  He’s a fairly shrewd man, and good luck proving he did it.

    Why not take the worst team in the league and trade it’s picks to your hometown team in an effort to build it in time for you to get there and acquire Chris Pronger for a Cup run?

  • mike g says:

    IMO, moving Staal is a better idea for them…

    His cap hit is much lower so he’s more attractable to more teams. Not saying nobody wants Malkin, I think everyone does. It’s just hard to free up 8.7 mill to make a trade.

    Malkin’s a Conn Smythe winner, and a 100 point player. I don’t think they’ll ever get fair value for that anyways. 

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  • Chris says:


    Kris Letang would look awfully nice on any team in the NHL.  Alex Goligoski is a solid offensive defenceman.  Brooks Orpik is an intimidating presence on the blue line.  That’s the core of a pretty decent blue line group

    At forward, they have 2 of the top 3 players in the world in Malkin and Crosby.  They have good role players in Max Talbot, Pascal Dupuis, Chris Kunitz and Tyler Kennedy.  Jordan Staal is a good centre that is still trying to figure out how to play his game…the kid is only 21 years old and you’re starting to write him off?  Sheesh…he’s only 6 months older than P.K. Subban.

    They have a good young goalie that has shown that he can put it together, with a run to the Finals and a Stanley Cup to his name already.

    Their farm system is a bit troublesome, but Eric Tangradi has the makings of an excellent power forward.  Dustin Jeffrey is intriguing.

    Malkin could be available, and a player like that could bring in a sizeable haul, especially from a team looking to make a splash.  I think its a little early to give up on the Penguins, personally.

  • Chris says:

    Not in the next 4 seasons, unless a pretty dramatic roster shakeup occurs OR a miracle happens.  And we used up our miracle, methinks, on the near-miss this season.

  • megagoten says:

    high schoolers all the way!!

  • Bill H says:

    Only for a brief moment (probably until Muller gets hired elsewhere) in a long line of successive Halak/Prices here at HIO.  We are a creative lot here.

  • avatar_58 says:

    Muller and Boucher, the new Halak/Price.

  • Chris Aung-Thwin says:

    I wonder if Columbus had agreed to Boucher’s demands, would he have still turned them down? I like him in Tampa though. I think GB, along with Stevie Y will revitalize that team. Things were already looking good with young guys like Stamkos and Hedman and once they add a couple of the right pieces, they’re right near the top.

    That’d be an awesome Conference Finals, eh? Habs vs Lightning?

  • Storm Man says:

    Chris where would you want to live? plus the fact what team has a better core of players? Like I have said for weeks Tampa was the team that worried me the most in getting Boucher as coach. I guess time will tell if this was a big mistake to let him go.

  • MathMan says:

    The Habs would need to make the playoffs for that. That seems to be a longshot at best with their current coaching staff…

  • HardHabits says:

    Plex is expendable as we already have a better version of him in Gomez.

    It is my HH opinion that Price should be traded for a solid centre like Carter. If the Flyers don’t win the Cup and it is because of the goaltending this looks realistic.

    Deal the Kostitsyns for a bag of pucks and hockey sticks.

    Sign Moore. Let Metro go.

    Try and sign Halak for under 5 million per year for 3-4 years.

    Sign Markov for 3 years.

    All new signings should be Canadian boys with grit. Kids who dreamed their whole lives of hoisting the Stanley Cup. Players who would go to hell and back again just for the chance to sip from Lord Stanley’s Mug. No more soft Euro’s.

    Kovalchuck can go earn 14 million in the KHL for all I care.

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Jeff Carter’s not exactly a force in the post-season looking at his career stats. His goals production in regular season is nice but if his post-season production is going to be be under the radar I don’t see why he’s so sought after, not a faceoff specialist either and he lost out on being an extra centre to Patrice Bergeron.

    How about no more soft, ignorant opinions about European players as well. Plenty of weak-willed, no-heart players from Canada last time I checked.


    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • K-hab25 says:

    I like Price for Carter, but no way in hell should Halak get over 3.5 mill, let alone 5 mill. This was his first year with a GAA under 2.86, Price with his horrible record had a 2.77 GAA. I wouldn’t give Halak more than 2 years, until he proves it for more than 6 months. His GAA average was close to 3.00 as late as mid DEC. He went on a tear until the last couple of weeks of the season, when he struggled. Then he was up and down through the playoffs. He had some great games and some stinkers, getting pulled 3 times. I, for one, don’t want to put all my eggs in the Halak is “the real deal” basket. To many times players have had outstanding seasons, got the big money and never do it again. Am I so wrong for wanting him to do it again, to prove to me he is “the real deal.” I don’t think it’s wrong at all. Saying he’s a better option than Price, doesn’t justify him getting a huge deal off of one year.

  • AH says:

    “Canadian boys with grit”, “no more soft Euros”…AMEN TO THAT HH!, and at draft time PG just needs to remember 2 things: 1) no one under 6′ tall and 2) Western Canadian sandpaper- extra coarse grit!

  • notbigbird says:

    I guess we’re doomed to mediocrity or at least three more years of it?!

  • B says:

    After the disaster the current bunch had this season?

  • nightmare_49 says:

      … more …

     Arniel Hired

     from Puck-Rakers Blog

     Howson will likely let Arniel play an integral role in hiring a staff of assistant coaches. He will also have a hand in hiring a coach for the Blue Jackets’ top minor-league club in Springfield, Mass.

  • homerbowen says:

    I think Arniel will become an excellent NHL coach…good luck

  • Ian Cobb says:

    Boucher Might End Up Coaching Quebec City In The NHL

    Watch Out for when the Lightning moves with Lecavalleir, St. Louis etc. to Quebec City in a year or two!!!!

    I attended a couple of games in Tampa this year, and believe me, if there were not any tourist fans at the games, the place would have been empty. This is the first franchise in the south to move north, unless Phoenix gets to Winnipeg first.

    So Boucher and his staff will be a big part of the Habs & Quebec City revived hockey wars soon enough.

    Remember Betman has already said publicly that Winnipeg and Quebec is where any transfer would take place first.

    Remember, you heard it here first!

  • mike g says:

    ST-Louis is a UFA after this year, no way he re-signs with that ownership group.

    I can actually see him wanting to finish his career with the Habs.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  • Storm Man says:

    Did Alexander Medvedev buy Tampa? If he does you can bank on the team going to Quebec. But looks like Tampa has a good coach now and the team will be alot better so the fans will be back dont see them moving, But never say never.  

  • HabsFanInTampa says:

    Wrong Ian. Lightning aren’t going nowhere. Trust me. The Forum was empty the two games you attended because the previous regime alienated the fans and city. I personally attended about 30 games last season and the Forum was filled up right before they imploded after the Olympic break. The fans down here are not going to support a losing team and an undesireable ownership like the last two seasons. i spoke with many employees of the Forum and right away things changed drastically better the day after Jeff Vinik bought the team.

  • HardHabits says:

    Carter isn’t playing 100%.

    I have nothing against gritty Euro’s. Ville Leino is a great example.

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Not just this year, Carter’s career post-season stats are not that impressive.

    I’m just tired of the backhanded remarks about the European players. You can’t just sign any player of course, but I skip the nationality and look at the product on the ice.



    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • HardHabits says:

    I still stand by my Canadian boys comment with a nod to Don Cherry and Habs-Prof. N.A.G. and veteran youth baby!!! Or was it V.A.G.Y.N.A. Veteran And Gritty Youth (of) North America.

  • Just A Guy says:

    While I wouldn’t call it xenophobia, there is some credence to the idea that European players are more national-centric than the North American culture-centric type. I won’t go too heavily in this analysis other then there is a much greater chance that a boy in north america will dream of winning the Stanley Cup then a boy in a European state. I would hesitate to call this a truth, though I would argue the point ad-absurdum.

    When you think about it an NHL player has a very schizmatic way of looking at its full season. Basically it goes something like the first half of the season doesn’t matter, but after christmas you really want to start playing as a team…though be careful not to over exert yourself or you might find yourself burned out for the playoffs. After the all-star break, you throw that logic out the window since the playoffs are looming and by the time you get to the playoffs you should be good to go; playing an intense, team-oriented style. But wait there is more, not only are you expected to play through painful injuries that might shorten your professional career, you don’t actually get paid for your efforts, though that is an extremely arguable point since playoff performances tend to gauge a players value when it comes to contracts. This little bit of rationale also gets thrown out the window since if you put up decent numbers in the regular season, you will tend to fill seats in the home arena and quid pro quo goes into effect.


    If you try to explain this to a european player that has just come from a league that has no fighting, large ice surfaces and a one game elimination playoff, you can very well understand why they may appear to be “soft”, especially when you try to explain taking a half season off and slowly building up to a frenzy that culminates in an amateur tournament with a hell-on-ice (name another contact sport that has a 7-game series playoff) format.

    I will be the first to admit I probably didnt get the over-simplification quite right, but you can see how cultural indoctrination plays a major role in how a player will perform in the NHL. I would say in about 10-15 years, this argument will be moot as the global village will be in full effect and the cultural xenophobia of once soviet-bloc style countries will have mostly washed away, national pride of course is thought to be an intelectual idea even here in Canada (once again: arguable), much as it will be the same across the pond. Culture will be a matter of choice and there is no greater hockey culture than the NHL.

    So I agree, with both of you in a way, but I would rather think of it like this: There is a greater chance that a North American player will develop the grit and stones that will make most other hockey players look “soft”.


    So I guess I could have just said its not a geographical, but a cultural phenomenon that produces those highly sought after gritty players.

  • Mark says:

    So what you’re saying is you wanna turn the whole team into a bunch of P.U.S.S.Y.S. Positively Unbeatable Super Star Young Studs?

  • HardHabits says:


  • HardHabits says:

    That was an excellent read. I am by no means xenophobic.

    Thank you for articulating on an intellectual level what I am thinking on a gut level.

  • Dylan Steinberg says:

    The habs will get either vinny or kovalchuk along with horton they will buy out hamrlik and win the stanley cup next year

  • mike g says:

    And what are the winning #’s for this weeks Lotto-Max, please?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  • Storm Man says:

    That is a good dream……

  • j2w4habs25 says:

    nevermind Kovalchuk… I think Jeff Carter would be a perfect fit :)

  • Top Corner says:


  • homerbowen says:

    The sad truth is that Boucher is in line, but ahead of Muller, for the head coaching job because Muller can’t speak french. Muller knows this and wants out, too bad because he (Muller) was really the coach this year. It’s too bad when you can’t select the best candidate available because of language. Oh well, I’ve been saying that since’93.

  • Bugs says:

    Did your conspiracy theory sound as foolish in 93?

    If Boucher gets the nod ahead of Muller, it probably has more to do with his professional capacity to do the job over Muller, who, by the by, speaks French too.

    …sad truth… uh-huh, right,.

    (little child voice) …oh, it’s because of the French, it’s all the French, and we would be so great if no French was involved, and the French is hurting us, and we should be all English all the time, and that way, we would do everything smart, oh, it’s so sad the French are thwarting us at every turn and we would be so great without French anywhere and that’s too bad because Muller would lead us to greatness and Boucher or Martin or anyone else French will lead us to the gutter, because that’s how that works. And that’s the sad truth. Boo-hoo-hoo.

    Right, Homie?

    Agitated but regulated, I aspire as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Undersecretary of North-East Division Propaganda Bureau, Section Chief of Flannel Department, and Field Operative for Habsbros Data Dissemination Services:

  • Chorske says:

    The language thing is so trite.

    Construis un pont, et traverse-le.

  • HardHabits says:

    I agree with you however only up to a point. Halak almost singlehandedly got the Habs into the playoffs and then carried the team on his back through the 1st two rounds. I think he hasn’t reached his ceiling. Unfortunately he has Allan Walsh as his agent so it looks like Halak will at least have someone trying for a pie in the sky contract. Whether Halak gets it is another story.

    He’s a RFA so the Habs don’t have the luxury of having him prove it one more time. I like Halak’s trajectory as opposed to Price’s. I am hoping Price rebounds and does in the NHL what he did at the Junior level and in the Minors, with or without the Habs. However, I am thoroughly convinced that Halak will get even better in the upcoming years. He’s shown himself to be potentially in an elite group that comes once or twice a generation. This is still speculation but I think Halak’ll have a career that will rival Hasek’s. Get back to me in 15 years.

  • K-hab25 says:

    Well I definitely haven’t been as impressed with either goalie as you, to compare them to Hasek or Roy. I think they both got room to improve, especially in the consistency department. Halak has more blimps of inconsistency, while Price has stretches of inconsistency. Halak will be great for 3 games then get lit up, then he’s back to great for 3 games and then lit up again. Price on the other hand is either very good for stretches or very bad for stretches. He tends to lose his confidence and struggles to regain it again. Halak seems to let his bad games go easier, but he’ll have to deal with being the #1 now, not everyones favorite little underdog. There’s a huge difference between the pressure that each feels. How will he handle the media and the fans turning on him the first time he struggles? How will he handle the new backup (Desjardins) becoming the new underdog hero? I don’t honestly feel either, at this point, is a future hall of famer like Hasek, but I could be wrong. Only time will tell how good either of them will be, people should remember that is true of both of them though, because there seems to be alot of people convinced ones going to be great and the other average. What I find funny is people are split on who is going to be who. I for one don’t know, nor do I pretend to, I just hope we keep the right one. Thats all that matters to me.

  • habsrlosers says:

    so we outscored teams in the playoffs. hmm….. guess that’s why we got shutout 3 times in 5 games vs Philly. yup cuz our offence was sooooooooooooo dynamite.

    as far as players coming here….let’s see- Moen-4th liner plus we payed double for him.

    Gionta- 20 goal scorer, smallest player in the entire league, forced to pay double.

    Gill- journeyman Dman overpaid double for a has been.

    yup if you pay DOUBLE everyone else you might get a few takers. but they’re not 1st line players.

    for that we would have to pay TRIPLE OF EVERY OTHER TEAM.


    you make me laugh at your dumb uneducated remarks.

  • SeriousFan09 says:

    Moen: Backbreaker goal against the Pens in Game 7, physical force throughout the playoffs.

    Gionta: Scored 28 goals in a shortened seaon, easily 30+ if he plays the year. He also had 8 more in the playoffs.

    Gill: Shut down the two best players in the world, but yeah, who needs him?



    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  • Fred D says: