Goodbye Canadiens players, hello draft choice

Gorges
The NHL draft lottery draw will be on TSN and RDS Tuesday night at 8.
The Canadiens can snare the first pick and will draft no lower than fourth.
Thus begins the 2012-’13 overhaul.

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259 Comments

  1. Chuck says:

    “The Pittsburgh Penguin model? They won a goddam lottery. Is that available to me? Maybe I should just ask the NHL to hold a lottery so that we could get the number one pick. Pittsburgh model my ass.”

    Hey Brian, what are you doing tonight?

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  2. Dr.Rex says:

    IF I was to become GM these would be my first priorities:
    1) Change the concessions at the games to draft beer and reduce the price by 15 cents.
    2) Hire Kato Kaelin as my assistant GM in order to entertain the media. HE will have a six press conferences a day that will cover nothing specific. Eventually the media will grow tired of his babbling and back off the team. I wll take him out to MCDOnalds each day before a game.
    3) Have a special ceremony night for all those fans who grew up in the 70’s. WE will call them the lost generation and it will give them a chance to get together and discuss their favourite topic of “I remember the days when…..”
    4) Eventually I will have to hire a coach……..Kato and I will flatter Mikey Babcock a bit and he will be our man.
    5) IF we remained in 3rd spot I would make a strong point to my draft team to take Galchenyuk.
    6) C for Cole
    7) Trade Kaberle to the Jets for Tanner Glass….Only deal available so I ran with it.
    8) SIgn Chris Kelly to a 3 yr 8.1 m deal on July 1st to solidify 3rd line with Eller and Bourque.
    9) Give offer to Ryan Suter but he chooses Philly instead so I then sign Bryan Allen to a 4 year 16 million deal.
    10) NO offers made to Darche, Campoli and unfortunetely Moen signs in Detroit for a deal beyond our teams ability to match.
    11) Extensions for Price and Subban….No details released
    12) Merci beaucoup nos fans.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      Obviously Gomez is also gone so here is my 2012-13 lineup/
      Patches DD Cole
      Galch Plek Gio
      Kelly Eller Bourque
      Staubitz White Glass
      Gorges PK
      Markov Allen
      Emelin St Denis
      Diaz

  3. smiler2729 says:

    Hey I can cuss a blue streak with the best of ‘em but I’ll tell ya one thing from my Catholic upbringing, I will never take the Lord’s name in vain and never have.

    For that blowhard to reply to a reporter’s question with a “goddamn” is typical Brian Burke, who thinks his sh*t don’t stink.

    Other great highlights from the Toronto Train-Wreck was his accusation that Reimer was “blindsided by Gionta”.

    Cry me a river, a-hole.

    Man, I hope the Laffs capital F FAIL for the next 50 years.

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    Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • Chuck says:

      That’s right; the Laffs downfall was Brian Gionta’s fault!

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  4. HardHabits says:

    Oh man if Toronto wins the lottery tonight there is going to be some serious teeth gnashing going on.

    • Chuck says:

      If they win the lottery there’ll be a parade down Yonge Street tomorrow night.

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  5. roady says:

    Cunneyworth did a great job taking over from JM ….he is the man for the job……as for the GM spot….who cares if he’s a frenchman or english…..hire the best hockey man for the job….if Molson just hire’s him because he is french to appease The Quebec Nation…..he loses out on 70% of the good GM’s available….hire the best man….not the best at language…….

    take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

    • Cal says:

      Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but RC was pretty much the worst head coach in my lifetime. And my lifetime goes back to when Toe Blake was in charge.

      • Jim Edson says:

        Really?

        Claude Ruel(1979-1981), Mario Tremblay, Bernie Geoffrion, Alain Vigneault(1997-2000) and Michel Therrien don’t make your list?

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        What does the Commissioner of the NHL do?

        In short, a league commissioner is the action man for the Board of Governors.

        They tell him what they want done and he works to make it happen through his subordinates while making sure that individual franchises play by the rules.

        ******** Translated if you haven’t won the Stanley Cup in 40 years your NHL team is becoming irrelevant in a sports mad city long behind MLB, NFL and NBA teams, you just tell the commissioner(who you gave a new contract at 7 plus million per) to make it happen and the rules are bent sufficiently to action the command.

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    @MattyLeg, as President of the Optimist Glee Club here, you are worthy of this Birthday Message.

    CHeers my friend and Happy Birthday!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4SLSlSmW74

    Edit: Hope you get “Nail”ed for your birthday tonight!

    • Mattyleg says:

      Thanks buddy!
      She was singing just for me… I know it…

      As for your edit: Yeah, me too! My g/f’s working all night, so I’ve got ONE chance ;)

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  7. Chuck says:

    “This group of players isn’t big enough to play the way that I want them to play.”–Brian Burke addressing the Leaf collapse on Toronto radio.

    Uh, Brian, just what exactly have you been doing for the last five years?

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  8. shiram says:

    Storm in glass of water stuff getting all the press and rage.
    Typical stuff on here, but annoying nonetheless.

    Markov does not comment on PK, what’s the big deal?
    An anonymous player says he dislikes P.K.? What if it was Campoli, or Weber, those guys might have an ax to grind with P.K.. Maybe that anonymous player was made up to justify posting it as news.

    Bah to all of it I say.

  9. remi_10069 says:

    There have to be other Cole’s in the league, anyone have any suggestions as to who they could be? Looking for extremely hard working players but with above average skill / hockey sense. Grab a couple more of those, dump the useless players, add a big, tough D man and we’re in business. Have to keep Staubitz though, need the muscle upfront.

    pipes

  10. Storm Man says:

    So the draft lottery is on tonight unless we win the first pick we will not have a impact player this year but hey could land him next year. I have ill feeling with SS running the show now lot’s of us will be going to AA meetings come next Oct after some of the trades he makes…. Molson he was the only one for this job? Unreal.

    • Cal says:

      Serge Savard is helping Molson choose a GM. That’s it. That’s all.
      Where do you get anything else that is factual?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      He was only hired as a consultant. He will likley help in preparing interview questions and the like.
      He is not taking over the team. You can relax.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Storm Man says:

        If you think for one minute someone like SS and his ego is going to do just interviews like some HR person you have lost your mind. He will be calling the shots as he would not waste his time holding Molsons hand if all he was going to do is be a HR boy.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Believe what you want. I believe that he will help pick the new GM and then likely move into a consultant role, if anything.
          Hell, we could do worse than him. All GM’s make bad moves. He made some bad moves and some pretty good ones from my recollection, and won 2 Cups in the process (yes, I know they were won mainly due to Roy).
          Is it so hard to believe that he wants to help bring in the best person/people to run his former organization?

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • HardHabits says:

          That is exactly what he is doing.

  11. punkster says:

    You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time…etc.

    Politicians and reporters have both motive and opportunity.

    Now, not all politicians lie and not all reporters exaggerate but the temptation to reach a wider audience is always there.

    If all it takes is an interpretive spin on a simple comment, or non comment in this case, then who is really to blame, the writer or the reader?

    And do you actually know what this means ؟

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  12. SmartDog says:

    Nice dig at TV journalists in the Cole article (good article):

    “The playoffs?” he said incredulously, a TV reporter having asked him to pick his Stanley Cup favourite. “I couldn’t even tell you the matchups.”

    A TRICKY QUESTION..
    I posted this the other day but it was in a block and I don’t think anyone answered it:
    – So the DD-Cole-Patches line is our most prolific in forever. And YES as the unanimous refrain still goes we NEED (apparently) a BIG #1 forward. Huh? So what happens with that line? Or do we now need a big #2 forward? I haven’t heard a serious thoughtful response to this. Lots of issues here – what’s the answer?

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    • HardHabits says:

      The problem with the Habs as has been the case for ages is secondary and tertiary scoring, otherwise known as scoring depth.

    • boing007 says:

      How about DD with Eller and Leblanc? Or Bourque and Leblanc? Maybe they could develop some chemistry? Bulk them up some more.

      Richard R

      • mike3131 says:

        I wouldn’t break up the DD line going into next season. It is the only line that worked for us offensively this year. Find an upgrade for Plekanec and acquire some better wingers. Bourque does not belong in the top-6(, heck he doesn’t even belong in the top-15!) I would keep Leblanc in Hamilton for one more year.

    • ont fan says:

      If you are talking about drafting the big forward, it will be a couple of years before he gets up to speed. As for obtaining any UfA’s, I don’t believe any will be interested and a trade costing us assets wouldn’t be the way to go. So the line stays as is.

    • CalgaryHab says:

      We need size regardless of #1 or #2. We’re not as small as we were at the beginning of the season but it still must improve.

    • Say Ash says:

      90 goals by AK27, AK46 and Turtleneck in 2007-08. Not exactly “in forever”

    • mike3131 says:

      I think we need that “big centre” to replace Plekanec. Keep the DD line intact and try to package Plekanec for a David Backes or Jordan Staal type player.

    • GrimJim says:

      I think the theory is that the Habs have a hole on their second line. Pleks to centre is acceptable, Gionta on one wing works but who has the talent and work ethic to support them on the other winger? Bourque should but hasn’t demonstrated that with us. AK should have been that guy, but was inconsistent. Eller seems better suited at centre, Leblanc is still a few years away, Geoffrion is a third line player, etc. So we need someone new for that spot.
      Now add to that, the facts that (1) Gionta is smaller and Pleks is average size and (2) Cole and MaxPac had better than expected success and they are both over 6′. The logical leap is then that the ideal is that what you need is a Cole/Pac clone for the Pleks line. Hence another “BIG #1 forward” is needed.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      If they draft a big center (Grigo), I think Pleks will be traded eventually because he’ll get a better return than DD. They’ll try to surround Grigo with enough talent (Pleks trade) to allow them to keep Max/DD/Cole together.

      The question is: if they trade Plek, is the return + Grigo better than Pleks + a drafted winger (Forsberg)?

    • habsnyc says:

      There are four centers LL, Plekanec, Eller and DD vying for three spots on this team. None of them is ideally suited as a defensive center so really it is four centers for two spots. Plus the team might draft a center. The team could trade one of them, move one to wing or turn one into a defensive center. But the earlier this is decided, the better. All of this assumes that Gomez will not be with the team next year.

      There are just too many undefined roles on this team. It is becoming disfunctional.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  13. AllHailTheFlower says:

    Good morning, fellow Commentariat. Instead of jumping into the “he said/she said” tizzy regarding Markov and P.K., I thought I’d solicit thoughts and/or opinions (not derision or insults please) on another matter.

    It’s quite likely that Jarome Iginla will be available via trade this summer. He has one year left on his contract, with a $7 M cap hit. Assuming we successfully unload or bury He Who Shall Not Be Named’s contract prior to the free agency deadline, should the Canadiens explore the possibility of acquiring Iginla’s services? And if so, what/who do we give up to accomplish that, and at what point is the price too high?

    I’m guessing that Iginla has an NTC clause, and may not even be remotely interested in playing for Montreal, at which point any speculation may be moot. However, without that information at hand, I’d be interested to know everyone’s thoughts!

    • habsnyc says:

      Iginla has a no trade clause. In the history of the NHL, no Hall of Fame bound team captain has ever requested a trade from a non playoff team to a team that finished below them in the standings.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      If we were coming of a late playoff run where we just fell short or the team was a player away from contending you could possibly cough up a boatload to get Iginla for a season or two.

      With the shape the team is at the moment, 3 or 4 players away, it would be a waste of valuable picks and prospects.

      Plus after the crap that went on this year, thanks French media, I don’t think any players with a NTC or a UFA would want to come here.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Hobie, when PJ Stock or Tony Marinaro or Don Cherry or Mike Milbury says something idiotic, do you blame the ‘English media’? Let’s accept that there is a lot of media attention paid to the Canadiens because geeks like you and I can’t get enough of it, in either language.

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    • CalgaryHab says:

      I love Iggy but fear fear that his slow starts he has every year wouldn’t be weathered the same in Montreal as it is in Calgary. His age and price tag is a little to risky for what the Habs need going forward IMHO.

    • smiler2729 says:

      No.

      His best before date expired a couple of years ago and there’s no place for him here.

      Besides he doesn’t want to part of a rebuilding situation and would rather be a cog in a team’s machine that is a step from kissin’ the Cup.

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      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • Storm Man says:

      I will take a pass on Iffy thanks.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Jarome is the perfect ‘missing piece’ on a contender with cap space to accommodate his salary, and assets to trade away for a determined ‘the future is now’ Cup run.

      As much as I’d love to have this great player and even greater person on our team, he’d be miscast as a veteran on a rebuilding team.

      As you stated, he probably wouldn’t want to come to Montréal, we’re in the same situation his current team is: unproductive veterans, hard up to the cap, farm team is bare, needs to undergo a serious rebuild.

      He’d look great on a line with the Sedins, or providing a presence for a final push in Daniel Alfredsson’s last season next year.

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    • croozer says:

      Sorry.
      No Iggy.
      Too old, too expensive and too comfortable in Calgary.
      He had his chance at the deadline to waive his NTC and go to a contender which may have brought good returns back to Flames but he didn’t do it.

      Sundin was the same – could have left Toronto for a shot at the Cup but figured it wasn’t worth the upheaval in his personal life.

  14. Hobie Hansen says:

    After the new GM handles the draft and the UFA market I hope his next step is to tackle the media circus, mainly French, that covers the Canadiens.

    If they want to create a soap opera out of s*&t that doesn’t exist than go work for the National Inquirer or go and cover WWE wrestling for a living.

    I would review the crap that was spit out by the media this year and call all these idiotic journalist drama queens down to the Centre Bell and let them know that they’re banned from the building if it keeps up.

    Call a press conference and let the fans know that the media has been a giant distraction to the team and it is nothing against the fans but the members of the media who cause a distraction will no longer be allowed in the dressing room.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Right on!!!!!!

      They are the number one reason franco players don’t want any part of the Montreal Canadiens.

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      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Hear! Hear! First guy to be banned, F. Gagnon. He is as much the cause of the Habs problems this year as PG. He’s like an 11 year old girl in the playground

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • habsnyc says:

      Well, the media does not work for the GM, but the players do. The media provides free publicity for the franchise, which is what keeps it as such a lofty valuation. Molson did not overpay by $100 million for this franchise because of its recent playoff history and star studded lineup. He bought it because it is the only sports game in town and helps sell a lot of beer.

      The players work for the GM. The GM will tell the players to watch their mouths and their behaviour and represent the franchise with pride. Then the GM will apologize to the media for the lack of access to players and management. The GM will make himself accessible to the media at all times in order to take the heat off the players and coach. And in that way, the reputation of the franchise will be rebuilt.

      Your suggestion is juvenille and will only result in further tarnishing the franchise.
      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I just want the players thinking about winning the game in the 3rd period rather than wondering what ridiculous questions they have to answer about their family, girlfriend or being tricked into backstabbing their teammates if they answer a question wrong.

        It has got to the point that something drastic has to be done.

        Unless you like reading useless crap and losing team because of it?

        • Mattyleg says:

          The media exist to make money, and this is done by generating an audience. People who have half a grain of common sense see through the nonsense. People who don’t… well, they don’t. And they never will, so… they’ve got to believe something.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • habsnyc says:

          The players are not worried about the media. they are not being asked about their family or girlfriend. At the end of the season, the media asked questions about teammates. This was several days after their final game. There was plenty of time for the players to cool down and give simple answers. That some players answered provocatively is a sign of discontent in the locker room.

          The GM can alleviate these problems by being himself more accessible to the media, taking the pressure of players and giving the media their daily dose for their daily columns. The media has to write about something every day. Or at least Montreal management wants the media to write about the team as often as possible.

          The players and coaches should take media training more seriously. It is offered in every sports league and generally, the team captain acts as a spokesperson to deflect the heat away from the young players.

          The last thing in the world to do is to alienate or insult the media. It only makes the situation worse.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • CalgaryHab says:

      Completely agree.
      I want to puke every time I hear what these idiots try to pull. They love the drama they can create with a team that has issues rather than report on a team that has success.

      • Mattyleg says:

        So does most sports media.
        Look at most sports writers in most cities.
        I don’t know about Calgary, but Boston, Toronto, Vancouver… they’ve all got ‘em.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Mattyleg says:

      Really?
      Not a very good idea. You can’t make enemies of the people that you count on to publish you. They can write every day that you aren’t doing your job and people will believe them. The GM can’t talk to the public every day to say that they’re wrong.

      Look at how many people think that Pierre McGuire would be a good GM. It’s because people believe the media.

      And language doesn’t come into it. The media is the media. Tabloids are tabloids. Toronto has them, but there it’s not called ‘The English Media’.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I’ve lived in Toronto and Calgary, read the papers and listened to 1000s of hours of Sports radio and guess what, they talk about hockey!

        • Mattyleg says:

          The perfect media!
          Do you think the Gazette should be more like the Sun, then?
          That TSN never generates controversy out of nothing?
          It’s just them damn French, eh?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Unfortunately, the media, mainly the French, is just fascinated and love the fact that they can send the entire city into a frenzy because they trust everything the media says. They remind me of the gang of paparazzi that ran Princess Diana into a wall.

          • Mattyleg says:

            That’s the media, bud.
            It’s like complaining about the weather.
            Not going to change anything.
            And not everyone believes what they read/see. As with everything else, it’ll blow over and people will forget about it.
            The only complaint I have about it is that people on this site believe it and take it as gospel then we have to listen to them piss and moan and rant about it.
            Best just to ignore those who believe everything they read.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Matty, u are a smart guy and can read between the lines and take everything you read with a gran of salt. Unfortunately, not everyone does and as you know these stories just don’t go away. They spiral out of control and gain momentum.

            Anyway, i love the team and I find that the 29 others teams cause us enough of a problem.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          “1000s of hours of Sports radio ”

          And all along I thought it was the drunken bar brawls that had left you so addled.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I was about to sound off and come back at you with some childish insult like you tend to do but you’re not worth it.

            I’m a true Canadiens fan who loves his team and is very passionate and I speak my mind. If you’re going to make little antagonistic comments and have nothing better to do than go for it.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Baby with bathwater thinking there Hobie.

      Banning all media would ban the virtuous English media too.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Who never have a bad thing to say, blow things out of proportion, or are biased.

        Long live English Dominance!!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I’m not talking about banning all media French or English but there’s a couple idiots who need to be held accountable.

        How does “next question” equate to Markov and other players having a problem with Subban.

        The idiot who wrote that on RDS.ca wanted one more drama show before the Habs headed off for the summer, he just couldn’t resist.

  15. HabFanSince72 says:

    As fascinating as the Markov – Subban controversy is, I have an unrelated question.

    It’s likely that come draft day we will have the choice between Grigorenko and Galchenyuk.

    Without referring to anti-Russian stereotypes, is there any evidence on who is the best choice?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Galchenyuk, less hoopla on him than Grigorenko and therefore less pressure to succeed immediately.

      I believe Galchenyuk, Russian but being American born and raised in hockey terms would probably be the more complete player initially and also less apt to be seduced back to Mother Russia and the KHL

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      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • Mike Boone says:

      I like Galchenyuk. Before his injury, he was projected as a possible first overall pick. He plays in the O, which is a more competitive league than the Q. And I’m terrified by hints Grigorenko may be a bit of a dog re desire and motivation. Another Yashin? No, thank you.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger
      Gazette City columnist
      mboone@montrealgazette.com

      • 44har48 says:

        I’m with you Mike. I’m not high on the Q or rediculous numbers there and this Grigorenko scares me. The Habs just unloaded a top 10 pick from Belarus that seemingly dogged it – we don’t need another. I hope we win this lottery and get Nail or Grigorenko is gone by the time we pick.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Russian AND Quebecois! If he was under 6 feet he’d have hit the stereotype trifecta.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I’ve seen both play and its a tough call.

      I like them both!!

      Either way, we will be getting an impact player.

      The only issue is Galchenyuk’s knee. If it’s not a problem going forward ala Markov, then he will be an excellent pick.

    • kempie says:

      I believe that it’s to close to call for a lump on the couch like myself to make a decision. Therefore, I’m perfectly happy to leave the decision to Mr. Timmons and his staff. They’ve made some pretty sound decisions in the past couple of years so I trust them to do the right thing.

      Of course, if the right ball pops out of that machine tonight, it won’t matter and we can all move on to bitching about how we picked another smurf first overall.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Grigo – Concerns about work ethic/compete level are often raised, so comparables vary widely. I’ve heard Malkin, Thornton, Spezza, V Kozlov, Yashin. He’s a big, talented center that doesn’t shy away from contact, but doesn’t initiate a whole lot either.

      Gally – The knee is the big question mark here. I’ve heard him compared to Hossa, Toews, Malkin. Apparently, might have been a top 2 pick had he not been injured.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Galchenyuk, because he is less Russian than the other friggin’ Russian! I’m kidding there.
      Anyway I still pick Galchenyuk, reports have said he is a real hard worker and dedicated off the ice and on. Lots of guys have ACL surgery and come back just fine. Malkin seems to be alright and he had ACL/MCL surgery last year.
      I am not against trading this pick for a “right now” player either, though not Tanguay

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • ooder says:

      the thing is Grigorenko apparently has work ethic rumours swirling around him…
      however doe she not try hard or does he make the game look easy???
      there is a big difference.
      Galchenyuk, well all i know about him is that he missed an entire season due to injury (and i am not saying that is a reason we shouldn’t take him) that’s just all i know
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  16. LafleurGuy says:

    Got punked with P’s post on phoenixphile Erik Cole.

    Punkster, Baby!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  17. Mattyleg says:

    Morning Folks!

    Today’s my Birthday!

    What are the Habs going to get me….???

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  18. Habshire says:

    Interesting website database. Everything you want to know about the Habs or any other team/player in the world.

    http://eliteprospects.com/team.php?team=64

    Same website: Former Habs….where are they now?

    http://eliteprospects.com/where_are_they_now.php?team=64

  19. rated_R says:

    U taken that out of context. when he means war with him, he means he’ll be on his side

  20. Un Canadien errant says:

    Mike Boone, am I reading this right?

    “As hockey fans in 16 other cities lick their chops in anticipation of the playoffs, Montrealers lick their wounds (or, if they’re lucky, someone else’s)…”

    To quote Inigo Montoya, I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Must admit I did not understand that analogy either, Why would you lick someone else’s wounds? Kinda gross

      “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  21. punkster says:

    Everyone still think Gorges is the future “C” on this team? After that interview yesterday? He clearly has issues with some guys in the room, like Gomez, …”as long as he’s here and as long as he’s our team mate…we’re going to go to war with him”.

    Really Josh? You want to pick a fight with Gomez, go to war with him? And this is how you plan to lead the team?

    But the photo above really puts it all into perspective. Josh is angry, annoyed, frustrated…hell he’s pissed with the guys in that room.

    I know. I can see it in his eyes.

    Can you believe this crap ؟

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    The scene at the Brossard training complex yesterday as the Montréal Canadiens cleaned out their lockers and met the media for the last time in this difficult season was meant to be one of meekness and personal responsibility, as well as a profession of faith that the next one would be radically different, if only through strenuous, diligent effort over the summer from each individual.

    Most players got the script and followed it. Josh Gorges bravely answered questions and defended all his teammates by way of backing Scott Gomez. Erik Cole was appropriately glum, describing how he didn’t expect to lose so much when he signed his contract last summer. Various players disclosed nagging injuries, and some announced whether they would be heading to the World Championships.

    So in this relatively innocuous setting, Andrei Markov managed to provide enough grist for the mill to last us until next fall’s harvest. He was asked to comment on P.K. Subban’s development over the season, to which he snapped: “Next question.” The surprised journalist, more surprised than insistent, probed: “You don’t want to comment?” His succinct reply was delivered with a rictus that said more than his “No.”

    My first reaction to this new tempest in a teacup is to wonder why this question was asked at all. It kind of made sense last season to ask Hal Gill about P.K. since they were on the same pairing and he played a widely-touted mentorship role. It would also be appropriate if P.K. had had a stellar season and was in line for a Norris Trophy or some other honour, or even if at the other end of the spectrum, he had had a disastrous season which endangered his status with the team, à la Scott Gomez. It would make sense for the members of the Two and a Half Men line to comment on each other’s season. It is understandable that the Calgary Flames were all asked about a potential future without Jarome Iginla, since that is a question central to the identity of that team, and no one shirked their duty to respond and add their contribution to the Iggy legend.

    Andrei reacted completely differently. He according to the analysts on RDS allowed his frustration with the public’s fascination and beguilement with the callow defenceman to get the better of him, and couldn’t voice the rehearsed platitudes that every NHL’er is familiar with. (As an aside, it’s noteworthy that there are other unnamed players who reacted in the same way to the same question, with one stating that P.K. does pretty much what he wants both on and off the ice) Andrei’s response was expected to be that P.K. had come a long way and still had lots of room to improve and was promised to a bright future, but he couldn’t spit the lines out.

    Which according to François Gagnon of La Presse and RDS, says more about Andrei than P.K. Mr. Markov is a magician and leader on the ice, but a difficult person off it and somewhat lacking in leadership in the dressing room. He is famously prickly with the media. He has been coddled and insulated from the media his whole career, based on his lack of ability to communicate in English when he first came to North America. He has been allowed to coast on this dispensation his whole career, and was taken to task by the panel on l’Antichambre for it.

    Michel Bergeron was irked when pointing out that Andrei has been drawing a full salary for two seasons which he largely spent on the injured list, and that the least the fans who pay his salary can expect is a proper response to questions asked by the press. He referred to the quip Andrei had after his first game against Vancouver, when he was asked about his surgically-reconstructed knee and replied: “It’s still there.” While this is acceptable if delivered truly as a joke, Mr. Bergeron suspects that it’s more of a reflection of Mr. Markov’s attitude that dealing with the media is a barely tolerable annoyance. As Michel Bergeron put it, when he and his players had to face the media at the end of a season, he would steel himself by preparing as he would for a visit to the dentist, and would internally repeat his mantra: “Ça va prendre dix minutes…. It will take ten minutes…” Apparently this is more than Mr. Markov can achieve.

    More than anything, what this episode shows is the lack of leadership and direction on the team, one that is fraying at the edges after a long season of losing. The Antichambre panel, which also included Mario Tremblay and Michel Thérrien, explained that there were no coaches available to monitor the proceedings, which led to a last day of class with no teacher in the classroom atmosphere. They conjectured that team captain Brian Gionta got everyone to attend and face the music, but in this environment of flux team cohesion took a hit. They went on to say that with Mr. Gionta injured and Hal Gill traded, there was little veteran presence on the team. Scott Gomez has been neutered by his own impotence. Mathieu Darche can be a good lieutenant but is not able to play a frontline role on the ice and in the dressing room. Tomas Plekanec doesn’t have the personality for it. Which leaves Erik Cole, who is a first year player, and Josh Gorges, who is on the cusp of being a veteran, and is also a role player. They concluded that the next GM will have a lot of work to do over the summer.

    I was glad to hear them agree that a lot of this stuff is what happens when a team is losing, and that winning cures a lot of these ills. I know that getting beaten regularly makes the game less fun, makes the group going for a beer after games smaller, and the mood more subdued. When your flakey goalie lets in a couple of beach balls or your stubborn fly half insists on kicking the ball away in every situation instead of circulating it, it grates on you and wears you down and leads to you snapping at each other over little things. When the team is playing well and winning, you forgive your teammates their little foibles and ruefully admit their strengths and value their contributions instead of focusing on their failings.

    Earlier in the season, Carey Price was asked about P.K. in a different setting, and he jokingly said that P.K. is a giant idiot who does entirely too much talking on his own already, and that there was therefore no need to say anything about him or add to the discussion. This was delivered with a wry smile, so most took it as a good joke with the merest sprinkle of truth, but it is now easy to see that Carey was trying to send a gentle message and hoping that it would sink in. And we get a sense that it does, and then a day later it hasn’t quite done so yet and the message must be delivered again. It brings to mind the famous Magic Johnson quote about Vlade Divac, that: “He’s a quick learner, but he forgets quick too.”

    P.K. is still young and has shown a lot of improvement over this season. For a while, he seemed uncontrollable, but Randy Ladouceur’s iron glove approach seemed to take effect when the necessarily more subdued approach of Hal Gill had gone as far as it could. We discussed last season how veterans can only influence rookies so far, since they’re still teammates and need to get along. At one point, a coach has to step in and establish boundaries and expectations, and discipline players who fall astray of these. We applauded Mr. Ladouceur’s presence behind the bench and his constant communication with his charges, that was what we had been clamouring for, instead of Perry Pearn’s and Jacques Martin’s phlegmatic laissez-faire approach. Michel Bergeron often says that a coach’s job is to say something and then repeat it and repeat it, to constantly remind his players. This approach will benefit P.K. and the other young defencemen in the long run.

    We can understand that P.K. is still a work in progress, and for all his promise is still a diamond in the rough and needs a lot of polishing. We should not be surprised at this, since it was the scouting report on him coming out of junior, that he had first-round talent but big question marks when it came to coachability and attitude. Let’s hope that the next coaching team finds the right formula to allow him to deliver on his physical tools and potential.

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    How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Clay says:

      Great read Normand. One of your best ever, certainly. Made me stay up to read it.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      Playing in the World Championships may pay some dividends in this regard.

      Subban will be near the bottom of the talent/experience pool on that team which may help with his big fish in a little pond syndrome here in Montreal.

    • New says:

      Well if Markov, PK, and Price are irritating the media they are probably doing something right. Asking Markov to comment on the development of another player and play into a constructed media frenzy isn’t the best of form.

      Look at the questions being asked of these guys. Recorders shoved forward as the question is asked then pulled back as the answer is given. Take it from there, in both languages.

  23. punkster says:

    Darche is done here. It was clear in that interview yesterday that he hates this team. In his own words he’s, “Extremely, extremely disappointed…” with the players in the room. And the entire team is “…to me it’s unacceptable, this organization, this franchise…”. How could it be more plain than that.

    Package him with Diaz and Weber to Florida for Huberdeau before it’s too late.

    Can you believe this crap ؟

  24. Chrisadiens says:

    ::sigh::

    Can we just ban the “H” word?

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  25. JoeC says:

    Some of you HABS fans are F’ing nuts, and know nothing about hockey. The fact that Price is considered one of the best goalies in the league over and over by almost every single hockey expert, a lock for team Canada, and some still talk shit about him?

    Let me remind you something, HALAK WAS TRADED 2 YEARS AGO GIVE IT UP.

    Now, the same Price haters now want PK gone? Seriously, whats going on this board? I mean, this is getting so terrible to waste even a minute to scan hurts, because of the uneducated hokey fans on here that blame the first person they think of, and most of them are Halak fans so its all PRICE.

    Give it up, or find a new hobbie, because being a hockey fan is not your forte.

    • Clay says:

      Your spelling could use a touch up.
      As for your comments that “most of them are Halak fans”, I can do nothing but roll my eyes – so here goes :roll:
      *At least learn how to spell ‘hockey’ on a hockey blog. Yes, there’s a ‘c’ in it.

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      • JoeC says:

        Im a hockey fan, see, i dont try and pretend i know how to spell or even care enough to use a spell checker!

        • Clay says:

          Live the dream.

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        • Cal says:

          Ignorance is bliss. See above.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          JoeC, with respect, if you’re not even going to try to present your thoughts coherently and in a readable manner, if I’m going to have to interpret what you write and decide what it is you mean to say, why would I bother?

          Generally, a quick five minutes reading over what you wrote to polish up obvious typos and missed capitals and looking up spelling on Google is a good investment and a sign for respect to the rest of the HIO community. No one is expecting perfection, but genuine effort is appreciated.

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    • New says:

      The way it works is every goalie that was here before is better than the goalie we have now. The backup is better than the goalie they have now. That lasts until the goalie wins a trophy or team trophy. At that point the goalie becomes a Saint.

      Roy lost buckets of games badly, in fact that was what was happening when “the mistake” was made. Huet couldn’t even hold a backup position. Theodore is hot and cold and runs cold just when you need him most. Yet each of those is a god to some fans.

      Forsberg, Sakic, Drury, Blake, Bourque, those guys were just along for the ride when Roy won Cups single handedly in Colorado. The team that won for the Canadiens in 86 was stacked but to hear the press and fans only Roy was on it. Yet that same team went another six seasons without winning and no one blames Roy.

      All to say it is always a popularity and not skills contest in Montreal. Engage the press and they write you up. Most fans can’t really form an educated opinion so they adopt the first one that interests them.
      They would no more credit Muller and the team for going through two rounds of playoffs a couple years ago than they would remember Halak folding and being pulled so many times the team didn’t start sharp.

      It is what it is.

    • habsnyc says:

      Name an expert who voted for Carey Price as one of the top three goalies in the NHL. Price is not considered one of the best goalies in the league by almost every single hockey expert. If he was, Price would have been nominated for a Vezina which goes to the best goalie in the NHL.

      Carey Price is not a lock for Team Canada. Fleury is a lock for Team Canada. The only remaining Canadian born starters in the NHL are Luongo, Ward, Brodeur, Crawford, Mike Smith and Price. If nothing changes, the choice will narow to Ward, Luongo and Price. The NHL playoffs this season and next will go a long way to choosing the other two goalies.

      Saying that Price is not (yet) elite does not make a person a hater. And tying that to PK is a ridiculous non sequitor.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  26. 44har48 says:

    Anyone else wake up this morning shivering and sweating??

    I had a dream that the Leafs won the lottery tonight, which gave them odds on favorite to get Yukopov and the Habs now pick 4th, one out of the running for the top 3 non-D studs. Then again, there is another part of me that thinks no matter where we pick, the player will never live up to our expectations like Price and Kostitsen taken in the top 10.

  27. punkster says:

    Carey Price is an obvious source of dissension in the room and the most recent example of this is the way in which he mishandled his injury symptoms. In his own words, “…a couple of issues, not serious…” he is clearly attempting to hide the truth of the matter. Are we supposed to believe that little David Desharnais falling on him was the cause. No, it was clearly fisticuffs and, embarrassingly, DD thumped him pretty good. “No hard feelings” says Price. Ya, right, and I’m the King of Prussia.

    And he’s ticked with the rest of the team and you can tell by this quote ““It’s not fun to be in this position…” a clear indication he hates being in that room. And of course when asked about playing here in the future he says, “When we get a GM, we’ll cross that bridge.” and “OK, I’m outta here.”

    He’s done here folks. Package him with PK to Toronto for Komisarek and picks so we can get this ship righted.

    Can you believe this crap ؟

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  28. dhenry1234 says:

    Here’s a lil Post Season reading for the Habs “Faithful” about PK.

    When I was in college I discovered that my new room mate had gone to school with PK in Belleville (I think it was belleville, I could be wrong). He knew him somewhat well so I asked him what he thought about him.

    He then went on to say that he didn’t like him. Was always a ball hog whenever they played basketball in Gym class, and when the team loss he would blame everyone but himself. made me laugh. But here’s a funny lil story about the kind of person PK is.

    Most men here know that there’s an unwritten rule about showers in school gym. You don’t go to a stall directly beside someone if there are other stalls empty. Well my room mate told me that PK was the kinda guy that would go to the stall next to you, sing loudly in the shower and borrow your soap.

    Funny stuff if you ask me. The kid is definitely a character

  29. Barts says:

    If the Habs were smart, they’d draft Matt Dumba. Physical d-man, with speed, smarts, a big shot, and a punishing open-ice hitter, who has been compared to P.K. He’d look good on d, with Subban, Tinordi et al.

  30. Hockey Bob says:

    Enough of the glass man Markov and his sour face and wonky knee. Not even team Russia wants him at the worlds.

  31. 44har48 says:

    “Anonymous Sources”…hehehehehehehehe…I thought I was redirected to the ESPN site for a second there.

  32. LafleurGuy says:

    Some interesting facts about Erik Cole:

    -only NHL player to high-five a referee (when was that?)
    -suffered neck fracture March 2006 after hit by Pens’ Brooks Orpik
    -able to rehab in time to play the last 2 games in Carolina’s championship 2006 season and therefore legitimately earned his Stanley Cup ring in contrast with Denis Savard’s 1993 ring.
    -not re-signed by Jim Rutherford ’cause UFA Kaberle was $250,000 less per year over identical 4 year term (?Rutherford for Habs GM)
    -paid the travel costs for Louis Leblanc’s parents to attend the youngster’s first NHL game played in Anaheim
    -last of the current Habs’ roster to be slammed on HIO, thereby making it universal and maybe contributing to greater team unity.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Mike D says:

      ‘Morning LG. Wasn’t sure if you were kidding or not when listing the high five thing, but that happened in a game against the Sens back on March 14 after he scored.

      If you didn’t see it, go You Tube it. It’s pretty awesome/funny. Just type in “Erik Cole high fives ref” or something like that and I’m sure you’ll get it.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  33. TomNickle says:

    It seems I’m a little bit late to the party.

    What’s this PK/Markov controversy?

    • Clay says:

      Markov was asked about PK’s development this season. He said ‘Next question”.
      That’s all…

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      • Chrisadiens says:

        Hhah its really funny when you put it that way. At least we are all distracted from missing the POs. :)

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • TomNickle says:

        I would take that as more of an indication that Markov doesn’t like the way Subban’s been coached or handled from a management perspective more than a gripe with Subban himself.

        Markov did after all jump into Subban’s arms and nearly kissed him when they connected on a scoring play early in Markov’s return.

        • The Cat says:

          I think its a peculiar question to ask, maybe a tad disrespectful toward Markov.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • Clay says:

          Yeah…either way though, the fact that many here are pontificating that we need to trade Subban and/or Markov because of a simple ‘no comment’ is kind of funny.
          But helps reinforce why a lot of players don’t want to play here, just in case anyone has forgotten. :roll:

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          • Mr. Biter says:

            That’s why we have to over pay players to come here and no Quebec born free agents are found with the Habs unless they come in on the other team’s bus.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

      • 44har48 says:

        Good non-comment in my book. The next coach and GM need to harness this guy and help him mature. He is too good a talent to trade him, but I am growing tired of his bigger than the team mentality, immaturity, and the people who defend him constantly. He’s immature and there is no defending that. I will say I have been pleasantly surprised by his mental growth this year. I see an improvement and I hope he continues down that path. If he matures, respects the the game, the team rules, and his teamates, he wil be a good one for us.

    • ont fan says:

      Whether Markov likes PK or not doesn’t really matter . There are tons of players who don’t care for each other off the playing field, but once the game starts they are team mates.That’s just sports. Move on.

  34. habs-fan-84 says:

    wait….so after PK plays some of the best hockey of his career…people want to trade him because Markov deferred answering a question about him. Now people want to trade him!? Are you effing kidding me!?

    What a lame fan base.

  35. Chrisadiens says:

    Is Plex participating in the World’s?

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  36. Hali_Hab says:

    And anyone who says we should trade PK has a fever. Foolishness

  37. Hali_Hab says:

    3 d men?? What about Mark Striet and don’t forget Ryan MaDonagh.

  38. Clay says:

    Way too much is being read into the Markov (no) comments re: PK.
    But the righteous indignation it has fueled here has been a pleasant distraction from the Habs failures this season, so thanks for that!

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  39. LafleurGuy says:

    P.K. Subban, Andrei Markov, and Sheldon Souray were the only all-star caliber defencemen we have had in the past 10 years. Whoever is managing Canada at the World Ice Hockey Championships wanted P.K. on the team. Reading too much about party attitudes of Higgins, Kostitsyns, O’Byrne, and others who still have employment in the league. Betcha lots of stories of the party animal side of Lafleur and others were never brought up in the past. Funny how Vincent Damphousse’s domestic violence troubles were brought up, but not Patrick Roy’s. I like all these players past and present even knowing their human frailties.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  40. punkster says:

    I’m shocked and deeply concerned about Cole’s comments in the Stubbs article. Statements like “The lack of winning was a little surprising…” and “It’s pretty much the same disappointment each season…” are very disturbing and indicate a clear frustration with other players in the room.

    But then you can see the seeds of discontent have been sown as Cole has clearly abandoned all hope for his line doing as well next season “… with probably a little bit less opportunity, if we’re healthier, and probably a little more attention paid to us.”

    But the topper has to be Cole’s choice of Phoenix as the eventual cup winner. Phoenix? My goodness but just what hockey sense does this guy have? Phoenix?

    I’d package Cole, PK and Pleks immediately for picks and get clean out the room of all these useless, dead end players.

    Can you believe this crap ؟

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    What if the new GM and the new Head Coach sit down and have a chat with the players, perhaps they might even talk with Markov and PK. What if after that we allow the new coach to discuss with the GM what the real issues if any are and then they do what is best for the team going forward?

    Perhaps this nightmare of a season has worn on all the players, and perhaps that is the best news. Now maybe all these players know how crappy losing feels, and how bitter it is to go home knowing you failed miserably thus motivating them to play better next year.

    I am pretty sure that a good off season for Andrei Markov getting into game shape and not having to worry about his knee so much will do wonders for not only his game but his attitude. This will only help with PK as there will be two skilled workhorses on the back end to chew up big minutes.

    Yah I think I will wait and let the new mgmt team deal with this.

  42. Cal says:

    The bs over PK is yet another media fuelled distraction and yet another reason why many players do not want to be drafted by or sign as a free agent with, the Habs.
    How about these idiots (the media) stick with facts and can the speculation?

  43. banjo bernie says:

    now we go golfing

    Gohabs

  44. The Cat says:

    When the habs went to the semis, they were better than they actually were, and now the habs are better than the results they got. I thought the habs would be in trouble from day 1 because they did not fill the void of Roman Hamrlik. And I remember it fondly because Boone agreed with me for once!

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • Cal says:

      Same old revisionist history. The Habs were good enough to get to the ECF, while Washington and Pittsburgh weren’t.
      Philly was good enough to get to the final, but not good enough to win it all.
      Did Chicago overachieve considering their results since?

      • The Cat says:

        Im talking about how the media labeled the habs then and now, not me personally, though yeah I think the habs got better results than they should have the Halak year.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  45. Captain aHab says:

    With a couple of big C available later in the draft, anyone think the Habs should package their 2 second rounders with an asset and try to grab one of them. Two big Cs in one year may be too much to ask for.

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • Marc10 says:

      I don’t know. You’d have to be reasonably sure one of those guys would be ready when the rest of the kids make the jump… Gallagher, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Bournival, Our First Pick this Year…

      Apparently next year’s draft has the next Lidstrom in it. He’d go first this year if he was available… And there are more game breakers all around… You might just want to keep your powder dry for that draft.

    • Mad Habber says:

      Cristoval Neives is potentially available at 32-34. He is 6`3 190 and can play center.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDTNSMdQfgA

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Arrgghh Capt. you and I usually agree on most points, but I think we need a big strong winger or d-man before we need another center. I think we’re set with DD, Plecks , Eller and (sigh) Gomez unless you can dump him off your vessrl the “Black Pearl”.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

  46. Fan Of The Game says:

    Renaud Lavoie of RDS posted an interesting anonymous Habs player quote about PK “C’est Andrei Markov qui a été le plus clair en disant devant toutes les caméras qu’il ne voulait pas parler de lui. Quelques coéquipiers ont fait la même chose, dont un qui m’a dit la chose suivante sur le couvert de l’anonymat. « PK fait trop ce qu’il veut sur la glace et hors glace. » On commence donc à en avoir assez.

    Loose translation. Markov didn’t want to discuss Subban-his team mates either, but one said the following under the cover of anonymity “PK does too much of what he wants on the ice and off the ice. We are starting to have enough of that”

    How long will this distraction go on? If there are no changes in perception of the perceived reality from a majority of players, is one man-PK Subban, bigger than the team?
    This may well be THE biggest challenge for the next GM and that is to solidify the dressing room and do whatever it takes to get there.

    If Nashville has a sour run and GM Poile cannot resign Shea Weber, maybe the next Habs GM should be on the phone and dangle the name of PK and whatever else to nail Shea Weber. Why not at least explore the possibility? PK would be a hit in Nashville for several reasons both on and off the ice. If you can trade Gretzky, you can trade Subban.

    • The Cat says:

      I find the Subban story odd. On one hand, if he and Price are such good friends, youd think Price would talk to PK, or, on the other hand, maybe Price is the same?

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Chrisadiens says:

        If they are the same I’m ok with that. They are the future not Marky. Don’t get me wrong I like Markov the player, but off the ice I’m learning he’s a bit of an ass.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

        • The Cat says:

          I agree. Veteran posters here know how Ive felt about Markov for a long time, even before his knee troubles. I just feel the habs got to stop putting their eggs in that basket, I feel the same but somewhat on a lesser level- with Plekanec. Too many wingers have failed with him and yet hes made of teflon.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

          • 44har48 says:

            Thats been my point about Pleks for 2 years now… we complain about Kostitsen not being able to play well unless he has good talent around him and he was drafted #10 overall. Well, this might ruffle some feathers but I don;t care how defensive Pleks is, he’s not a defenseman. And I don;t see much differnce between Pleks and Kostitsen showing up every other game or so. If Pleks is going to earn his money in my book, and he makes considerably more than Kostitsen did, he better be the best “2 way player” we have, and not just the best “defensive forward” we have. And as far as his defence goes, he’s a (-15) this year, I’ve watched him float in our zone like Gomez more than I care to see, and he only averages 52 pts a yr in the NHL, which is what he got this year. Made 70 pts in one year, one time.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          No comment, Next Question, Da!

    • JayBee says:

      I’d much rather move the idiots who are butthurt over PK’s “popularity” and “attitude” than move PK. The cowards that keep leaking locker room info can go too.

      It’s funny how our fans eat up all the baseless media drivel. Now PK is traded.

      And this will not be the last time we hear these little stories about PK. The media here picks a guy and then basically goes after him until he either breaks down or is traded. Happened with Price, happened with Sergei, AK, Cammy…the list goes on and on.

      Habs would be completely dumb to trade PK. DUMB.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      If it was Cole who said, “PK does too much of what he wants on the ice and off the ice. We are starting to have enough of that,” I’ll respect it. Just about any other lesser light has no credibility for me.

    • Captain aHab says:

      If the Habs don’t like kids being kids then they should trade all their draft picks for wiley veterans who care more about their bank accounts than about winning. I’m sick and tired of us trading away promising kids because they are immature. Assign a chaperone to them if need be. Or, here’s another concept: make them earn the callup by playing a couple of full years in the AHL and don’t make them the centre point of your marketing when you bring them up only to then complain when they bask in the limelight.

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      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • JUST ME says:

      Anonymous Habs players,anonymous sources,generally reliable sources ,every wich way to have a scoop ,to put words or intentions in someones mouth. In real life if you are not part of the solution then…
      Reporters around the team have way to much power and should be brought back to order by the next management.
      Have you seen how many of them were around players coming to empty their lockers ? Makes no sense at all and it cannot end up as anything else than a circus.
      Every day there is a new story ,a new source ,a new rumour ,a new cat fight ,coming from scoop hungry reporters . Way too many around the team,way to much credit is given to them.

    • Marc10 says:

      Trading Subban means you’re going to replace him. And that means a complete D man who’ll log massive minutes for the next 7 odd years, be on the first PP unit, kill PKs when needed, etc.

      Shea Weber makes that list. Doughty, Myers, the new kid on the block in Ottawa and… that’s pretty much it.

      Personally, I wouldn’t give up on him. He was drafted a Hab when everyone else passed on him and that should count for something. He killed Brad Marchand, neutered Sid in the playoffs and won the coveted HIO hat trick pin. I’m giving this guy tons of slack. He’s the real deal. He just needs to grow up. Get him a big brother. His name is Ryan Suter. He’s available. Do what you have to.

  47. CowtownCanadien says:

    From what I have heard and read from all the so-called experts, out of all the Canadian teams that didn’t make it, The Habs have the least work to do. The Canadiens have a young core to build around. Now let’s win the lottery and get Nail. If not Mikhail isn’t a bad runner up choice.

  48. 24 Cups says:

    I don’t mean to correct Pat Hickey but the buyout on Scott Gomez is much more than he stated.

    Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

    ◦2012-13: $3,523,810
    ◦2013-14: $4,523,810
    ◦2014-15: $1,666,667
    ◦2015-16: $1,666,667

    As well, Leblanc is a RW so he can’t really fit in on a line with Pleks and Gionta. The team needs to find another LW.

    I agree with Pat that the team wasn’t quite as bad as it looked this year, but there are still a ton of holes to fill. If the Habs are truly into another five year plan then they better take the necessary time to make it right. There won’t be any fast turnaround in the next year or two. Keep your powder dry, save your cap space and wait it out until more prospects arrive during the next few years. Then, and only then, do you add some more major pieces via free agency. Right now, some bits and pieces will have to do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoRLIJJSG4o

    • LafleurGuy says:

      4 years for 13.3 million sounds like a good contract for P.K. or Max.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I get confused over this cap stuff (to dumb to comprehend). I read somewhere that there is a difference between Gomez’s actual salary and the cap hit. Not sure why. That being said, wouldn’t the Hab’s wait to see if the new CBA offers an amnesty clause? If not, Molson will have to sell more beer and eat this, huh?

      • Chrisadiens says:

        Cap hit is the average of the players salary throughout the term. Thats why many teams front loaded contracts to circumvent the cap.

        Player A will get 20 million for the first year and 10 million for year two. His cap hit will be 15 million but his salary is 20 million in the first year.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • 24 Cups says:

        http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=624

        The cap will probably increase and then the players have the right to trigger another % increase on top of that. Then comes UFA on July 1st.

        The only problem is that the CBA ends in September. Once the contract and/or lockout is worked out, teams could be looking at a decrease in the cap as well as a possible amnesty clause that you mentioned.

        Smart teams will sit tight this summer only signing marginal, short term UFA players.

      • RGM says:

        The cap hit equals the total amount being paid over the course of the contract, divided by the number of years on the contract. So a player with a 5-year, $35M deal has a $7M cap hit. But because NHL GM’s are getting sneaky these days, they don’t have to pay you $7M every year and will alter the amounts in some years as a “signing bonus.” So you can see a guy get $10M per year in salary in years 1 and 2, and only $5M in salary per year for years 3-5. So the salary drops in the last years, but the cap hit stays at $7M. Clear as mud?

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    • HardHabits says:

      Not only is his research about the cap hit of a subsequent Gomez buy out incorrect but so is his premise that the Habs are a better team than their record portends. The only thing PH is doing is placating the HIO rose-coloured kool-aid drinkers.

      Rather Francois Gagnon has it right. The Habs lack organizational depth and will probably not make the play-offs next season. Their prospects need time developing in the minors. A place that Leblanc should be next season as well.

      Gainey and Gauthier have created a mess. A mess that will take a few seasons to correct.

      • Chrisadiens says:

        I refuse to read any Hickey articles but I’m assuming he said we’d make the playoffs next year? I’m not so sure we will. We aren’t far off though. Once our prospects get going i think we could contend. We have pieces, there is just a gap right now between upcoming talent. Id say 2 years, playoffs, and then in year 3, contenders.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        How can anyone make predictions on next years team when we don’t even know who will be on it? The team as currently assembled most likely would fail to make the play-offs but my rose colored glasses say we’re winning the lottery tonight. :)

    • Fan Of The Game says:

      Pat Hickey wrote
      The Canadiens will also get some additional relief when they figure out what to do with Scott Gomez and his $7.3-million hit. They’ll have a $1.63-million cap hit for the next four seasons if they buy him out and no hit at all if they park him in Hamilton.
      ———
      You are right and Hickey is wrong. There are 2 aspects to a player buyout-his salary and the team’s cap hit.

      You correctly quote what the Habs would face concerning cap hit over the next 4 years. As for salary, a buyout would pay Gomez 2/3 of the total remaining salary over double the time remaining on the contract.

      Since Gomez has 2 years of contract term left and $10 Million of actual salary, he would be paid 2/3 of that $10 Million over 4 years which is double the time remaining on the contract term. In other words $1,666,667 per year for 4 years. He would also become an unrestricted free agent.

      If they park him in Hamilton, they will escape the cap hit but the Habs would still be responsible for paying him his full remaining salary of $5.5 million next year and $4.5 million the year after.

      Whatever way you look at it, Gomez wins the lottery.

  49. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    I cannot believe the grudge the RDS “panelpeople” have against P.K. Subban, had to turn it off. They remind me of the old men who sit around the coffee counter at the mall here in Chibougamau, passing comments on the life going right on by them.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Take your word for it. P.K. is young. He currently earns less than an average NHL salary. He’s one of the best players on the team. Doesn’t chirp like Crosby which I don’t oppose. Doesn’t fight, but didn’t consult with Komisarek on how fighting enhances your career. And I find he is more effective in bodychecking (1970’s term) than Emelin. Just like with Crosby, people like to pick on the kid.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      They were mostly upset at Markov actually.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.


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