Gionta will be in lineup against Jets; Brière demoted to fourth line

Captain Brian Gionta will be back in the lineup when the Canadiens face the Jets Tuesday night in Winnipeg (8 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690) while Daniel Brière will be demoted to the fourth line with Michael Bournival at centre and Travis Moen.

Ryan White will be the odd man out with Gionta returning to the lineup.

Gionta, who left the team last week for a family reasons and missed Saturday’s game in Vancouver, will play on a line with Lars Eller and Max Pacioretty. Gionta said his young son, who had been ill, is doing much better. The team gave the captain the option of staying home, but Therrien said Gionta wanted to play and he flew out of Montreal on Sunday and practised with the team Monday in Winnipeg.

 ”It puts things in perspective,” Gionta, who will play his 700th career game Tuesday, told reporters in Winnipeg. “It’s family first. But it will be good to get back on the ice.”

P.K. Subban will continue to play with Andrei Markov on the No. 1 defence pair and Carey Price will start in goal against the Jets.

In his first five games with the Canadiens after signing a two-year, $8-million free-agent contract during the offseason, Brière has one assist and 11 shots on goal and is even in the plus/minus stats.

“We reflected on it for a long time before we made this decision,” coach Michel Therrien told reporters about the decision to demote Brière. “The reason is purely because of a lack of production. I’m convinced Daniel understands the move. But I believe strongly in using all four lines. That’s how we’ll start tomorrow, but things can change quickly, even in the middle of the game. It all depends on how guys are performing.”

Said Brière: “It’s not the end of the world. The team is doing well and that’s what matters. For sure, personally, it’s not the best. I’d like to be producing more than I have. But I’ve always been the type of guy who gets going a bit later offensively. I’m looking forward to that happening, but there’s no drama here. I’m not worried about it.”

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice:

Pacioretty-Eller-Gionta
Galchenyuk-Plekanec-Gallagher
Prust-Desharnais-Bourque
Moen-Bournival-White/Brière

Gorges-Diaz
Markov-Subban
Bouillon-Tinordi/Beaulieu

Habs vs. Jets preview, NHL.com

It’s up to me to produce, Brière says, by Pat Hickey

Brière speaks to media after practice, Canadiens.com

Rewarding, bizarre win for Habs in Vancouver, by Dave Stubbs

(Photo by Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)

451 Comments

  1. --Habs-- says:

    Did should be on 4th line

    Go HABS Go

  2. --Habs-- says:

    Go HABS Go

  3. mr_jmac says:

    I really like like this line-up a lot. Fearless predictions … Habs smoke the Jets tonight, DD has a break-out game and go 7-2-1 over the next 10 games.

    I think these lines create a much more balanced team. There is strength on all 4 lines with two bigger bodies on each line (Gally counts as one cause he plays like one.) These lines better suit the Canadiens style of play allowing all 4 lines to constantly keep the pressure on the opponent.

  4. mr_jmac says:

    What a Joke. Two Canadian teams are facing off and TSN is broadcasting only in Habs and Jets regions. In Ontario we get San Jose vs St. Louis.

  5. frontenac1 says:

    @smartdog. I’m drinking coffee and Cognac this morning. First day in the gym since high school.Mrs.Front got me a membership.If all goes well I should be in the Saloon by 3pm.Saludos!

  6. Hstands4Hockey says:

    New thread

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  7. Habsrule1 says:

    The way Briere & Desharnais are playing right now is dissapointing, but it is early in the season. I think Briere will be ok but I’m glad he’s only signed for 2 years. Some of these veterans are just stop-gaps until more kids are ready to take over. Sure, management wants the most out of them, but you can’t predict everything. If we had gotten Morrow, like many wanted, and he sucked, people would be just as upset.
    The future of this team looks really bright. Let’s enjoy the kids for now and get ready for the Habs to contend for a long time starting in a couple years. The D is getting better with Tinordi & Beaulieu and there are others on their way. The forwards are improving all the time (Eller, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Bournival) and there are also others in the pipeline. Then there’s Price, who will reap the benefits of the team in front of him finally getting better….not to mention Fucale coming along….
    I’m enjoying the glimpses into the future while realizing that the future is not quite now, but it’s soon…!
    3 of 4 in the West? I’d take that any time….now let’s do it!

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  8. Maritime Ronn says:

    Some interesting points mentioned below about the international flavor of the NHL player makeup.

    Here is a snapshot of the evolution:
    NHL Canadian born/foreign born participation:

    1970: 95.9% of NHL players were Canadian born
    1990: 73.9% of NHL players were Canadian born
    2000: 55.4% of NHL players were Canadian born
    2012: 53.6% of NHL players were Canadian born
    United States 23.9%
    Sweden 6.9%
    Czech Republic 4.4%
    Russia 3.2%
    Finland 3.0%
    Slovakia 1.2%
    12 other countries represent 3.8%

    http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality-totals/nhl-players-2011-12-stats.html

    • Phil C says:

      And Quebec currently lags behind the rest of Canada in its number of NHLers relative to its population.

      • HabFab says:

        Canada and the USA followed the Europeans into their Elite Development programs in the early ’80s. While Quebec for political reasons, didn’t join the Canadian program until 2004. Their final certification occurred in 2010, so they are lagging behind.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Dr. HabFab :-)

          What was problematic about the Quebec program or another way to ask is what is superior about the Canada program vs. what Quebec was doing?

          • HabFab says:

            Have to run, off to the races… use our friend Mr Google.
            Short response… are you familiar with Hockey Canada’s Program of Excellence or the USA’s National Team Development program? And are you familiar with Quebec’s Program of What, we don’t need that.
            …. actually being an ass with that one… adios!

        • Phil C says:

          Interesting. I wonder how long before we’ll see a benefit from the change? Maybe this decade?

      • boing007 says:

        There are currrently 72 Quebecers playing on NHL teams. That’s about 10% of the NHL total. Not bad for a population of 8 million out of 360 million in North America.

        My bad. According to recent stats (not from 4 years ago) there are only 42 active Quebec born players in the NHL. That number should increase in the next two or three years.

        Richard R

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Wow, cool site!

      A few observations:

      - While your stats imply the decreasing % of Canadians, this is still an increase in the overall #s (trending over the same period. Expansion required new players to join the league and the Euro leagues were the most obvious talent pool to start in taking players from.

      - % Canadians has actually been increasing in recent years, and while I can’t prove the causality, the obvious explanation is the departure of fringe (and Kovalchuk) players to the KHL.

      - Further to the previous point, it’s crazy to think there are only 24 Russians in the NHL now – whereas it was triple that 10 year ago.

      - USA continues to have sustained growth in “Market Share” of players. Not a surprise given all the new US markets developed in the early 90s and the success of US junior national program. I would expect this trend to continue.

      - Good luck in the Olympics Anze Kopitar!

      Thanks for sharing.

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  9. HabFab says:

    USA Today with their first of the season power rankings. Habs are 12th as a Team and PK is 1st on the D;
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2013/10/15/power-rankings-nhl-vote/2985331/

    • JUST ME says:

      After seeing those images this weekend it made me sick to my stomach. Cause let`s admit it after decades of seeing fights as a collateral damage you get used to them . The actuel target of the fight is for your guy to knock out the opponent right ? Well this guy had his bells rung pretty bad up to a point that these images are really not for the faint of heart as we say. There s only one way that it could be uglier …

      The NHL should play these images every so often so it reminds us that there is real danger involved and that we are at the limit of player`s shape,equipment perfection and human limitations.

  10. HabFab says:

    To those that question the need for the Habs to have francophone players, just watch an episode of 24CH like the one out presently. It is a reality of the organization that cannot be denied.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      THere will always be those who see it differently despite good examples like the 24CH one you suggest. One only needs to look at some of this mornings posts to recognize that Frank.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Ya Deharnais, Bournival and Briere are really driving the team right now!!

      Let’s trade Subban for Letang.
      Gallagher for Perron.
      Galchenyuk for Giroux.
      Price for Luongo.

      Then we’ll show ‘em!
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  11. John Q Public says:

    Therrien to Davy :

    “So you can’t take da pressure in Montréal. If you don’t play like you can I will trade you to Winterpeg.”

    Davy goes on to score a hat trick.

    Sit Briere if he’s hurt. Simple as that.

  12. SmartDog says:

    There’s a positive to this Briere & Deharnais situation.

    The club has gambled on contracts to two native sons, for the sake of the name on the jersey (instead of the crest on the front – so already you see the conflict). And lost. The French media has turned on Briere, Desharnais’s contract is the butt of jokes.

    Bergevin and Molson are finding out this: even die-hard French fans don’t want lousy contracts. It’s sad they had to go out and LEARN THAT. But they did. And I don’t think we’ll see more of that stupidity down the road.

    Hey Marc. To recap: it’s the crest, not the name right?

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    • JUST ME says:

      Only on HIO is the association between french language and lousy start of the season important. Do not know where you saw that elsewhere. As a matter of fact should the player because he is french be saved from criticism ? So if i read you and others right, damn if you do ,damn if you don`t !

      If at least we were to add to the Moen White or Price criticisms that he plays lousy because he speaks english that would be fair right ? Just does not make sense that the language issue has anything to do with it and as much as i find that the french media goes overboard sometimes, this time HIO posters must take a good long look in the mirror.

      • SmartDog says:

        What? You’re comparing Moen’s contract to Desharnais and Briere? And suggesting signing DD and DB had nothing to do with their origin? I’d like to have some of what you’re drinking – but not this early in the day.

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        • Habsrule1 says:

          Briere’s contract is really not that bad. It’s 2 years. Briere has been one of the better players in the past 15 years in the playoffs and that’s been a problem for the Habs. He’s on a new team with a new system and it’s been 5 games.
          Desharnais is the mystery. Did MB need to give him 4 years after 1 good season? Would DD have had the leverage to not take a 2 year deal, especially at that dollar amount? That contract baffles me….and so does Moen’s actually.
          Again, I think the Habs decided on these players to help bring the young guys along. In a couple years, nobody will care what Briere did here (or shouldn’t) because hopefully the team will have some new blood on it and the kids will be leading the way.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • LizardKing12 says:

            Briere’s production has been in steady decline for 3 straight seasons going from 0.88 ppg to 0.7 ppg to 0.47 ppg last season. That’s a pretty clear sign that a player is on the downside of his career. It is foolish to think that he can suddenly flip a switch and become a PPG player in the playoffs if he has a season were he is producing in the .4 ppg range, players don’t double their production come playoff time it doesn’t happen.

  13. Maritime Ronn says:

    Looking at the posted D pairings above, how does everyone feel about the changes in the Top 4?

    Subban-Markov could be 1 of the most dynamic pairings in the NHL.
    That mentioned, and if the Law of Averages holds up, the Habs will play about 40 minutes of 5X5 hockey with its other Top 4 pairing of Diaz and Gorges, leaving 3rd pair minutes to some combo of Bouillon-Tinordi/Beaulieu.

    Can the Gorges-Diaz pairing physically handle all the aspects of playing against the Jets Top 6 especially in the defensive zone?

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Ronn. I mentioned recently that just as Markov use to make his partner look good in seasons past its looking like PK is doing the same for Markov.

      Gorges-Emelin is in the cards for the future and then you’ll have Diaz playing in situations which he will excel. Right now he’s being asked to do things beyond his skill set. We’re all going to love him when Emelin returns.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Jim

        It will be Game 6 tonight.
        At best Emelin could be back for Game 30, yet more likely around Game 40-45.
        That’s a long time to hold the fort, and even if Murray gets back, he plays the left Side.

        If you’re the opposing coach, the plan would be to hit an already injured Gorges that will never back down, and hit Diaz who always tries to avoid the physical part of the game.
        It projects as more puck battles lost than won in any area, and a whole lot of trouble for Carey.

    • Phil C says:

      I like Gorges-Diaz better than Markov-Diaz. At least Gorges will bring some physicality to the pairing. I think I will like Emelin-Diaz much better.

      • neumann103 says:

        I think Emelin/Diaz could be a really useful pairing, and i think if we saw that for 30 games, a lot of the complaining about Diaz would dry up.

        They would be complementary and compensatory skill sets and also would allow Emelin to play his natural left side, where he is much more confident and multidimensional.

        “Et le but!”

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          If that ends up being the case, there is a good chance that Beaulieu – that is if he gets some playing time and continues to develop, will challenge for that spot next to Emelin.
          Then again, who knows if The Habs will try and extend Diaz or will he choose to go the UFA route next summer.

    • HabFab says:

      My brother had the opportunity to watch part of the Flames game (on TV) with Steve Shutt last Wednesday. He made this remark… “Today there are about a million kids playing Elite level hockey around the World, when in his youth there were a million Canadian kids playing hockey. Times have changed and it would never be the same again.”

  14. JUST ME says:

    All this discussion about Briere and/or the french factor is soooooo beside the point that it amazes me that we lose so much time and energy on them. Instead we should enjoy what is ahead for the team . We should just realize that this team has taken a different direction and that for the first time in a long while we can feel the youngsters taking over and taking its place for many years to come. The veterans are now as they should , there to share their knowledge and complete the picture.
    Gallagher,Galchenyuk,Eller,Tinordi,P.K.,Paccioretty and in the wings Bournival,Beaulieu,McCarron,Fucale and a few more to come in the next seasons. This is a totally different outlook than we had just a few seasons ago when the future was at best deja vu.

    You can come back every year with the same old language s**t but personnaly i hate going around and around so i am looking ahead and will keep you up to date on what you are missing. Enjoy !

  15. third generation haber says:

    Briere’s supposed demotion is actually the coach’s attempt to balance the lines. Now, there’s a soft player on each line. I don’t know why it’s taken this long to try this!

    BTW: Why is White always the first guy to be benched??? He actually does what he’s paid to do: hit and fight. DD and Briere are paid big bucks to produce points.

    j.p. murray

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Although I 100% agree that White is the ideal 4th line Centre – the argument for sitting him earlier was he had a game with 0 hits (i.e. if he’ not hitting, why is he playing?) or shots.

      The reality is White is our best faceoff guy, responsible defensively and, will fight anybody and usually get a lot of hits per minute played. Montreal is a better team with him in it that not.

      If Briere is getting moved, I’d rather see him get some time at 3rd line Centre. He’s played poorly but also playing out of his natural position and in a new system.

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  16. Bill says:

    Phil C: Well you’re right about that one. The internationalization of the game has thinned the ranks of Canadians and especially Québécois Canadians in the NHL. I am glad the Habs are more aggressively scouting the Q however.

  17. Phil C says:

    Regardless of your feelings on the matter, it is unrealistic to expect any more than a handful of francophones on the Habs. There are only 37 players born in Quebec who have played a game so far this year in the NHL. If you include players like Giroux and Bouillon,the number is, at best, around 50. Of those 50, 10-15 are fringe NHLers who will never be impact players that no Montreal kid dreams of watching. That leaves about 35 players who are also sought after by the 29 other teams, so the Habs would be lucky to get 2-3 of them, or less depending on how the cards fall. That’s the reality of the NHL in 2013.

  18. John Frodo says:

    One thing the Jets players do not have to worry about is their wives being unhappy.

  19. SmartDog says:

    Yakupov for Yashin!

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  20. Maritime Ronn says:

    From a hockey interest point of view, looking forward to seeing the Jets 19 year old rookie Dman Jacob Trouba tonight.

    Quite the story.
    The youngster learned his hockey playing for the US National Development team.
    He then played only 1 year at the University of Michigan followed by a direct jump to the Jets.
    He did not play 1 single game of AHL or other pro.

    The 19 year old Trouba has to be some kind of talent as the Jets have trusted him with 23:27 of playing time per game – similar numbers compared to rookie Dman minutes leader Seth Jones who is only 7 months younger than Trouba.
    Even more surprising, Trouba is playing 1st Unit Penalty Kill and 2nd Unit Power Play.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      It is amazing the ice time he is getting, more ATOI than Tobias Enstrom and Zach Bogosian, only Big Buff is getting more.

      Tonight my family back home in the Peg are cheering against me, need a Habs win for Family Bragging rights.

    • Eddie says:

      Trouba is a great player because he has great skill, but somehow he has managed to find tremendous confidence and poise at a young age as well. It’s this calmness that allows him to see the ice for a fraction of a second longer, and that produces much better results.
      He’s big enough at 6’2 and about 190, but he looks and plays bigger it seems. He handles the puck with ease, makes excellent decisions and passes, and he will take the body without a second thought.

      Subban is better! hahaha

  21. JO says:

    A lot of you must be retired, probably don’t like your home life so to get rid of your frustrations you come on here and vent. Should that be the case find another site this one is for Hockey only comments
    some of you think it’s Facebook and by the way. Don’t be knocking the French. I don’t speak a word of French but I happen to like them. My trips to Montreal I was treated to the up most respect and they did their best at speaking English to any question asked. DD and Briere are good Hockey players they are a big part of the Habs Hockey Team get use to it…

  22. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @Da Hema

    …how in the World can ‘We’ appropriate what is ‘Ours’ ? :)

  23. Maritime Ronn says:

    Interesting story by Michel Bergeron over at RDS that just may explain a few things.

    Headline: Is Daniel Briere hurt?

    Bergeron goes on to say that he has been told by his “informant” that Briere suffered some kind of groin injury at the opening of training camp during physical testing.

    Bergeron also mentions how that would explain why Briere has no “Jump” in his game, and how when playing, the veteran would use his vision when he has the puck to compensate for the lack of jump, yet the rest of the game becomes much more difficult.

    Bergeron also states how it’s not rare that players hide groin injuries and don’t share the severity of the injury with the coaching staff – meaning they don’t want to be out of the line-up.

    He recommends that if Briere is actually hurt, he should not be playing and he only hurts the team and himself, which also brings about criticism of his play.

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/daniel-bri%C3%A8re-est-il-bless%C3%A9-1.673466

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Perhaps indeed Briere is not 100% healthy, Ed also made mention of where he thought he saw a hit to Briere’s head in preseason, and that since then he hasn’t been as effective.

      Hopefully things can turn around for Danny sooner than later.

    • John Frodo says:

      Gomez was hurt for two years and it did not affect his play.

  24. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    I really should know better than to read the comments section under any story involving Desharnais or Briere because I know it is just going to involve the same old nonsense from people who don’t live here, or have never lived here, saying that it shouldn’t matter where a player is from, and the Habs shouldn’t be bothering with francophone players, and all one should care about is winning…, yadda yadda yadda. And yet all these people have likely never followed a team where the vast majority of the players on their team cannot speak to the vast majority of their fan base.

    Go to a media event here sometime, and observe the faces of little francophone kids as wee Davey or Daniel turns to them and speaks to them in their language. And then TRY to imagine what it would be like if your home team was populated by all Russians, or even Quebecois, who could not speak a single word of english to the press or the fans. How long before everyone started demanding a good-old-boy (i.e. anglo, preferably Prairie-born) as the captain.

    It just makes my blood boil. It is so hypocritical. If you don’t understand or appreciate the unique culture here, fine. Want to still cheer for the Habs? Great. Just don’t ever think that the owners of this club are ever going to take for granted the foundation upon which they are built, not to mention where the bulk of their profits come from.

    Okay. Feel better now.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • Da Hema says:

      Those are some fine points J. Perhaps, though, we need to add another frequently overlooked dimension to this issue. I understand the importance of the Montreal Canadiens to francophone Canadians, and your example above about the players connecting with francophone fans is certainly true. However, the Montreal Canadiens are not simply a francophone team — they are truly a national team. For every passionate Hab-loving Quebecker, there is another one in British Columbia or Alberta or Saskatchewan. How many Canucks or Oilers sweaters adorned by Vancouver and Edmonton fans does anyone really see outside of their respective provinces, or cities for that matter? I want the Habs to draft the best players they can because the team represents (or should represent) excellence. I don’t think this necessarily means the team has to abandon its francophone base. In the past, the Habs did draft and develop excellent French-Canadian players, and there is no reason they cannot do so in the future. But my central point is, the Habs transcend tribes, cultures, villages, cities, and provinces. The Montreal Canadiens are no one’s exclusive property.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …I left the reservation, but I remain an Indian

        …or, more accurately, I left Quebec, but I remain a Quebecer

        …maybe hard for You to understand, but though I am an ex-Anglo-Quebecer, I viscerally remain part of the Quebec tribe …and the Montreal Canadiens ‘Tribe’

        …the Montreal Canadiens are ‘owned’ first by the Quebec Tribe …other great Fans of the Montreal Canadiens are completely free to ‘share’ Our ‘Tribe’

        …the heritage of the Montreal Canadiens was SPECIFICALLY created to represent ‘The Franco-Quebec Tribe’ …in time it became all-Quebecers Tribe

        …I’m not saying this facetiously …I love Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Gorges, Plekanek, Patches and Price …Ironically I also intensely dislike Briere, would have equally disdained Lecavalier

        …how does that rationalize with My ‘tribalism’ ? :)

        …very convoluted and complex to explain, …but let’s say I do ‘dream’ for the day Our management gets it’s act together to scour Quebec and any Quebec (Anglo/French, doesn’t matter) talent and find some way to make Them a Hab …determination, luck, skill I don’t care …the Montreal Canadiens in My eyes are not fully the Habs unless the Franco and/or Quebec Players predominate

        …whether that happens next season or 10 years from now, but from now that should be Habs’ Management’s and Fans’ goals

        …there is much to do to make-up for past mistakes and wrong-headed choices

        …the Montreal Canadiens were created for a specific identity, and rehabilitating that historic identity must be a priority

        …I hope I live long-enough to see it realized again

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        Campaign to Retire Toe Blake’s Number 6 !!!

        …and, last, but not least: MORE BELIVEAUS AND RICHARDS PLEASE !!!

      • ianism says:

        the Habs’ organisation does not give a toss about the opinion of its fans outside the province. why? they are not a united bloc. they don’t pay for tickets to home games. they don’t call into Quebecois radio shows etc etc etc.

        on the flip side, the fans in quebec (especially outside of montreal) often live for this damn team. it’s like the Roughriders in Saskatchewan – there’s not much else. in addition, for many French-Canadians in Quebec the Canadiens are a symbol of the national identity of the province, which, like it or not, sees itself as being quite separate from the rest of North America. I’m not saying they’re some sort of uniform society that hates all english-speakers. they aren’t at all. but for a decent segment of the population, even if there isn’t any resentment towards Anglophones in Canada and Quebec and the non-frenchspeakers on the team, they like seeing homegrown players in the right colours.

        the Canadiens have to pander to that demand a little, whether we (or they) like it or not. clearly, it hasn’t worked too well with DD and i think his contract is going to be a problem as time goes by. with Briere, it remains to be seen. he is 5 games in. he is not on a terrible contract. be a little more patient!

        i have grown up in montreal. i’m fairly young (25) i have never been a hardcore fan (i prefer watching football so i’m an Als fanatic). my first language is english, but when going into stores, ordering food or drinks, or speaking to people on the street, i first speak french. it’s a question of respect. there is definitely a sense of uniqueness among a much wider spectrum of this province’s francophone population that many of the posters on here clearly have completely missed. this is what the habs’ organisation have to pay attention to. this is also a question of respect.

        i think they shouldn’t bother with it and just get the best players available, but unfortunately the club is to a certain extent more constrained (or, at least it sees itself as being so, which equates to the same thing) than the other teams because they are expected to always have a french-quebecois or two on the roster. before, it wasn’t so much of a problem. but for the last while, there’s a smaller % of elite talent coming out of the province – especially the kind of talent that wants to play in the pressure-cooker that is montreal.

        i’m ian by the way. hi.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:

          …I’m an old Als Fan too

          …welcome to the Jungle ! :)

        • Da Hema says:

          Hi Ian! There are two reasons why I stand by my claim that the Montreal Canadiens transcend any particular identity. The first is that those who would claim to appropriate the Habs as constituting their identity are simply ignoring history. The Montreal Canadiens as an organization were shaped as much by Anglo-Canadians as by French-Canadians. The second is that if any team could claim to represent the Quebecois, it would have been the Quebec Nordiques, whose more radical fanbase saw the Montreal Canadiens as an external, almost alien institution. Why else was the rivalry between these two clubs so stunningly intense? I could never be convinced it was Molsons’ and Carling-O’Keefes’ marketers who were responsible for that often-bitter rivalry. Let me be clear: I am not trying to drive a wedge here between all the fans who love this team, but instead I am trying to articulate the point that the organization’s history and development is deeply plural in nature, and in the end no one specific group can plausibly claim to own this institution. While I grew up in Western Canada, the Montreal Canadiens helped shaped my identity. I don’t think other people can legitimately appropriate the complex history of this team.

          • Bill says:

            I said something similar in my response below about the team symbolizing a blend of cultures that is unique to Montreal, which has always been a cosmopolitan city with a mix of Franco and Anglo. But that does not diminish the importance of the francophone Quebecois to the team’s identity.

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          • ianism says:

            of course, but the point is that, as you said, they (a great number of francophone fans as well as the club) are generally choosing to ignore this, a little like the Bloc/PQ and their supporters/potential supporters.
            I wasn’t really around for the Nordiques-Habs battles, but I do know about them. I honestly don’t know who those Quebec City fans support now, but I’ll bet it’s more likely they support the remaining team in the province over anyone else. in addition, even if they aren’t Habs supporters, there’s still a great many people in the province who are. otherwise, why else would we be having this discussion? DD and Briere haven’t exactly been the only Franco-Quebecois players on the team for the last 15+ years

      • Phil C says:

        Excellent post.

    • John Frodo says:

      Montreal should do everything reasonable to ice French players. What made the Habs legendary was great French stars and teammates. However, what message is it sending to the young Francophone if you get a job you don’t deserve based upon your culture?

  25. Feraco says:

    Desharnais will be traded by the end of the season.

  26. Say Ash says:

    We’re getting Yakupov. Is that what’s being reported here?

  27. I grew up watching the Habs on CBC, Gallivan and Irvin were the best ever. Never once did I ask my dad where’s that guy from? I just cheered them on. Never cared ever, and I don’t care now. I know people in Montreal/Quebec care about their identity but you know what, the rest of the country doesn’t care we consider ourselves Canadian. Next. If you want the Habs to be traditional, then Quebec better start developing better players because right now this Monday night there is one player in the top 60 scoring from Quebec. Do you want to be traditional, or do you want to win. I would bet 1 gazillion dollar Molson wants to win over tradition. He’ll say all the right things but in the end, the register wins.

    You guys are all great but don’t tell me I have to accept the traditional way of thinking, because I want to win, not be traditional.

    Where on earth did this start? I mean there is a Desharnais and Briere’s on every team. Every single team in the NHL has bad signings.

    Tired now, and believe it or not there are sill Habs tickets online for tomorrow night. Would I be a bad dad/coach if I let the assistants run one practice? Yes, yes I would be. I love coaching those kids.

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    • Bill says:

      Let the assistants run one practice, get a ticket for you and for your kid, then you can be a so-so coach for one night and a great dad for a lifetime!

      Seriously, Habs tickets mean you can cancel any commitment.

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  28. Phil C says:

    Lets see if I understand the logic. It is important for a hockey team to reflect the ethnic culture of it’s city, so therefore they need more francophone players. Two or three francophones apparently is not enough. I just checked the demographics of the city of Montreal, and 32% are visible minorities, yet the Habs only have Subban. This is an outrage. Not only do we need more francophones, we need more Arab and Chinese players, maybe some Koreans, otherwise, how can the fan base relate and connect with the team? The problem is much worse than I thought.

    At least we have Parros to cover the 2% of Greek lineage and Pacioretty and Gionta to cover the 7% of Montrealers of Italian decent. I may have to check their family tree to make sure they have enough Italian in them though, we wouldn’t want them skating by on their name alone. And I don’t think they speak Italian. Seeing that Italian is the third most spoken language in Montreal and in Quebec, the Habs HAVE to find some Italian speaking players. Galchenyuk speaks Italian, but I’m not sure that counts, you know, with his Belarusian heritage.

    • Bill says:

      Isn’t this what you call a “Straw Man” argument? I think it is. Where is HFS72 when you need him?

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    • SlovakHab says:

      We need to find a way to get Nazem Kadri out of Toronto and we’ll have an Arab! :)

      Trade Price for Luongo and we’ll have a Montrealer of Italian descent!

    • mount royal says:

      Too typically, you are confusing language with ethnicity. Bouillon is a good example of the added value of a local player. He is half Haitian and all Quebecois. He was raised in one of the poorest districts of Montreal and now there is an arena named after him there. He is an inspiration to thousands of young Montreal kids who see what is possible, He is dedicated to the community and yes, he speaks their language, both literally and figuratively. Having brought him back to Montreal is simple good sense. A unilingual journeyman from Saskatchewan would bring no added-value to the team. However,
      In spite of all the above, he will be drooped by the team if his production is not satisfactory. Not too complicated.

      • Phil C says:

        My post was tongue in cheek, I’m fully understand the difference. I’m not convinced it is purely a language issue for some people, although probably a minority, I’ll admit. I was also making fun of the language issue. Do we have enough Italian speakers? I still don’t know.

  29. Timo says:

    Briere Bournival Moen line isn’t moar bigger. Is Tiny playing? Who’s gonna fight when Peg starts gooning it up?

  30. Ian Cobb says:

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  31. JO says:

    Too many Numb skulls on here knocking the French. I say what ever it takes to win MB and MT you Guys do it. All I’m asking for is a 25th Stanley Cup in Montreal what ever you have to do to accomplish it.

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    Chargers playing a good game tonight, great ball control.

    Sorry tho’ Chargers fans, my gambling requires a Colt comeback, please!

  33. jedimyrmidon says:

    I find it a bit annoying when people say that a trade for Yakupov ‘starts’ with guys like Galchenyuk or would involve Subban straight up. Oh really. Seems to me those trades are in fact ripping the Habs off.

    Galchenyuk was drafted 3rd overall in the same draft year, has performed very well to date (and better than Yakupov) and has none of the professionalism questions associated with Yakupov. Why would a trade ‘start’ with Galchenyuk? Yakupov hasn’t distanced himself away from him. In fact, it’s the other way around: Galchenyuk is appearing more and more like he could have been the #1 overall pick.

    And mentioning Subban in the same phrase as Yakupov is even more ludicrous: a Norris trophy-winning Dman who possesses almost all the qualities one could want in a Dman and has demonstrated improvement and growth over a number of years… for an unproven prospect who hasn’t concretely demonstrated that he’s going to be a perennial All Star, whose value is based mostly on potential and who has already expressed dissatisfaction with his current position. Oh yeah: this guy is also one of THREE #1 overall picks on the team, and is currently the least valuable out of all of them.

    • Bill says:

      Not saying it’s a good trade for the Habs or one they should make. But I do think the Oilers would be asking for Subban. Yakupov is an elite talent.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yakupov should be elite talent, but just as he could be great he could be Alexandre Daigle, PK is already a proven player, big difference to me.

        • Bill says:

          Yeah, I wouldn’t do it either. But what would the Oilers want that the Habs have?

          If the Habs were dangling Galchenyuk, what would you be looking for in return? Would you be asking for a prospect like Beaulieu? Or would you want something more?

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          • ianism says:

            if we’re dangling Gally27, forget Yakupov – i want RNH/Eberle. whatever though, this whole trade thing isn’t going to happen with Montreal, if at all. Yakupov just needs to grow up a bit. the question is whether the Oilers’ management are patient enough for that.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          PK being proven is an understatement in my books. Bonafide #1 Dmen are much more valuable to a team than a star forward and harder to find and draft. Yakupov may turn out to be like Stamkos or Tavares who are more than star forwards and could be compared in value to Subban, but he hasn’t shown that yet – it’s all just speculation.

    • mksness says:

      3 first round picks. could be a future pick or prospects with 1st round value. or one up for an established player and prospects.

      personally i could see something with buffalo and miller being involved.

    • Marc10 says:

      Those trades would absolutely be ripping us off. Chucky, PK and Price are non starters. The first because he’s arguably as good and more well rounded and the other two because they’re established NHLers/Team Can/All Stars.

      So the Oilers could then ask about Eller or Gally… but I don’t think either team would want this. Other than Emellin (assuming he’s resigned), we really don’t have anyone they’d want.

    • zephyr says:

      stupidity. subban & galchenyuk are staying put. period. they’re going to be cornerstones for future championship teams.

  34. FishOutOfWater says:

    The Canadiens will never trade for Nail Yakupov.

    That is all

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  35. Subban in Sochi says:

    Daniel Briere needs to take a long walk with Henri Richard. Maybe he can absorb Richard’s passion for life-and for hockey-via osmosis. Briere is playing like Michaël Bournival should be playing: tentative, thinking too much, trying too hard.

    Thankfully Bournival is playing like Briere used to play: great anticipation, quickness, and speed. He also demonstrates sound positioning which allows him to transition fluidly.

    It is unfortunate that Briere is basically being embarrassed into “loosening up.” Michel Therrien demonstrates once again that responsibility to the team-and production-comes before size of contract.

    Briere will have zero excuses as after the Jets game the next 5 games are at home and whether we like to “admit” it or not the next 4 opponents are some of the weakest teams in the NHL.

    It will be important to bank 7-8 points before facing off vs. the Ducks & Sharks at the end of the homestand.

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  36. Mattyleg says:

    Ugh.
    Craig Button is a ding-dong.

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  37. savethepuck says:

    Just catching up on tonight’s posts. Seemed to be a lot of debate regarding players only being on the team because of their birthplace. I’d rather not get into that. The second most comments, besides the usual we’ll give all the players we don’t want for Yakupov, was Briere being demoted to the 4th line. I am not 100% sure this is the case. When I look at the 4 lines listed above, I think that the most minutes will be given to whoever plays better between Plex and the G’s and the Eller, Max, Gio line. I think the 3rd most minutes will be given to whoever plays better between DD, Bourque, Prust and Briere, Bournival, Moen. I could obviously be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

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  38. frozengolf says:

    Funny, Yakupov sits another game and KHL rumours start already! He says he thought his dad started them, but then changed his mind saying his dad wouldn’t go beind his back to start stirring the pot. The fact the kid is already using the KHL as a leverage tool tells me all I need about him…a cancer! I may have to adjust my estimation of his departure to the K…three years?

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  39. Mattyleg says:

    Buffalo still without a win.
    Damn these guys are bad.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I’m not liking the Habs being stuck in a division with two tanking teams: Florida and the Sabres. Those two markets have all the time in the world to become relevant because not many people care about them. They can live on life support until they’ve leeched off enough talent from the draft to become good again while the Canadian teams will always be pressured to win now (except for Edmonton).

  40. twilighthours says:

    I’m out. Booze caught up to me. I love you all

  41. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …so I walk innocently into the repetitive negative Habs’ French-English shite debate in HIO !

    …You know, I’m an Anglo that became sick and tired of the PQ’s Chinese water-torture on the Anglo community in Quebec and left …yet I retain today Montreal in the marrow of My bones and heart

    …despite not being fluent in French I had a very successful business in Montreal, …much of My clientele ironically in the Francophone business community and the Quebec government (international trade ministry)

    …notwithstanding My personal square-head traits, I grew up a passionate Fan of the Montreal Canadiens

    …that life-long loyalty and love as a Fan fully incorporated My admiration and love for it’s Francophone Players …for Me, there is zero separation of the French fact and identity of My beloved Habs

    …I won’t go into dissertations like UCe and others here on the subject, except to bluntly say, if You do not understand the absolute NEED of the Montreal Canadiens and it’s special identity of it’s Francophone Players (and I’m talkin’ the NEED for the majority of it’s Players) to be either Francophone or of Franco-lineage then I do not understand YOUR choice to choose as a Fan the Montreal Canadiens as YOUR Team

    The PQ and any woes of Anglo-Montrealers has NOTHING/ZERO to do with the Montreal Canadiens. The Montreal Canadiens have NOTHING/ZERO to do with the Pequistes and separatistes

    It’s a bloody free-World, and You are free to follow any team You want, but for the Life of Me I do not understand ANY supposed Fan of the Montreal Canadiens not being happy until the current lack of Quebecers and Francos on Our Team is ‘made right’
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    • Mattyleg says:

      Well put HiS!
      I’ve said similar things before.
      Love the Habs, love the Franco factor.
      It’s what sets us apart from all other NHL teams; our local boys speak a different language than everyone else’s, and therefore have a special link with their fans that no-one else in the league can share.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …I just do not understand the thick-headed French-haters that follow Our Team …They make Me furious

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        Sorry guys. I made a similar rant above without reading the rest of the posts. Just enough to get my blood boiling. Your comment is much more level-headed than mine. I’ve lost all patience with the franco-bashers.

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • Sal from the Hammer says:

      You’re preaching to the choir habitant! It’s the Montreal Canadiens, but, not the Habs, without the Francophone element! Still, I have to call them the Habs…but, you know, you know….

    • Bill says:

      Have to agree that the Canadiens’ tradition is heavily tied to its Franco-Canadian identity.

      You cannot think about the Canadiens without thinking of Malone, Plante, Beliveau, Richard, Lafleur, and Roy. It’s true that you also can’t think of the Canadiens without thinking of Morenz, Blake, Harvey, Robinson, and Shutt, meaning that the team’s tradition is of a blend of two cultures, with the Francophone side predominating.

      For anyone who doesn’t like the idea that the Canadiens are obviously interested in maintaining a Franco-Canadian identity, consider that in the team’s glory days, the roster was heavily loaded with Quebecers. And the last time the team won the Cup, names like Carbonneau, Roy, Savard, Lebeau, Brisebois, Desjardins, Damphousse, Belanger, Brunet, Dionne, Daigneault, Dufresne, Roberge and Racicot were engraved on it.

      Since ’93 the club has become less Quebecois and more international … and what have the results been? Not saying that the Habs haven’t been good because they have gotten away from their roots, but it’s an interesting coincidence if nothing else.

      Personally, I think there is something about being a Quebecer and playing for the Canadiens that makes you dig a little deeper and play a little harder when the chips are down.

      In any case, take a look at the last Cup team, or any Canadiens Cup team, and ask yourself if the Habs are really handicapping themselves with their three Quebecois (I’m counting Bouillon) players.

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    • Marc10 says:

      What HiS said…

      That doesn’t excuse poor UFA signings, but it helps explain granting the ‘few petits gars de la place’ that want to play here a good look and a bit more rope.

      I’m a big fan of Trevor Timmins. He (and Andre Savard before him) had the arduous task of restoring a horrible scouting department and they should be commended for their work.

      But they dropped the ball on getting local talent. True there are fewer Quebecers (or at least that was the case) that were NHL worthy than in the past, but missing out on Bergie and Giroux was pretty poor form.

      Happily that trend is reversing. The franco factor should be our strength. It was for the first hundred years of cup chases, it should remain that way.

    • Phil C says:

      The problem is there are 29 other teams that also want the good francophone players. It’s not like before the draft when you could sign anyone. The Flying Frenchmen is a relic of a past era. It is unrealistic to expect the Habs to have any more francophones than they have now under the current draft system, unless, of course, they didn’t care about winning.

      Maybe if they were a better team they would attract more free agents, but that hasn’t been the case for a while.

      French lineage? Seriously? A unilingual anglophone from Alberta like Bourque is culturally relevant to Habs fans? I don’t even know what to say to that.

    • Habs_Norway says:

      “except to bluntly say, if You do not understand the absolute NEED of the Montreal Canadiens and it’s special identity of it’s Francophone Players (and I’m talkin’ the NEED for the majority of it’s Players) to be either Francophone or of Franco-lineage then I do not understand YOUR choice to choose as a Fan the Montreal Canadiens as YOUR Team”

      Yes! Yes! and YES!
      I say like i say with money (money aint everything):
      Winning aint everything. Its like with Atletico Bilbao of the Spanish soccer-league: They only have Basque-people in their team, except one player (since the beginning of the club) – but he is Okay since his grandmother was Basque.
      But nowadays people manage to call this for “racism”.
      Thats the problem. Journo’s and Political “correct” a-holés.
      I became a fan of this Club because of the “stubborness” (correct spelling?) and the french-connection, with the language and heritage. Also because of Roy, but hey..
      This is a cult-club – like some other teams up the years: CSKA Hockey and the Soviet of the 80s, Ajax and Atletico Bilbao, Hungary footballteam in the 50s and Holland in the 70s.
      Ask people from Anchorage to Tokyo and everybody knows about those teams/clubs.

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