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Shout-out to Stu Hackel of the New York Times for this piece from St. Louis.
And anotherHab found this Eller video
Nightmare49 posted this link to a Jaro story
I am actually very excited to see what alexander Avtsyn can do and he said in an interview that his goal is to play in the nhl.
I like how you so flippantly admit that Tom goes too far, but never call Tom out on it – rather, you jump to his defence at the drop of a hat. Again, showing your hypocrisy.
“Peoples will only be truly free when the last king is strangled by the bowels of the last priest” Francois Laignelot
Then why do you comment on it?
I like to call people out when they accuse others of being immature, but have left themselves open to criticism. Like Adam, who thought the whole Price avatar was either funny or proving some kind of point besides that he hated the guy.
Tom goes too far, but Adam leaves himself open to criticism. I don’t like people who put forth the illusion of taking the high road, but are ready to mud-sling when provoked because they think it’s now justified.
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
what does this have anythign to do with jaro halak being traded?
i didn’t know i was on a therapy forum.
You know Robert, for quite some time I wasn’t sure about you…you said some semi-intelligent things at times, and looked foolish at others. But now I am sure. You are a coward. The little man who hides behind the bully’s back (Tom Nickle, in this case), and talks big – but can’t do it alone.
Adam has a very good point. Tom runs around slinging insults at all who dare to question his omniscient opinions. It is childish, annoying, and in truth should not be allowed on this forum. How you constantly defend his actions while deriding what you consider the same actions in others is the height of hypocrisy.
Alas, if only Mike Milbury still had a GM job and a lottery pick.
I see what you’re saying.
Now I’ll do the typical HIO poster fallback and say “hey, let’s throw in the K bros and Hamrlik in there”.
Because everybody wants those guys.
Go Habs Go!
Avtsin unfortunately has the Russian factor attached to him and fear of him never crossing the Atlantic. They’d want a name like Leblanc, Kristo or the guy we just picked up, Eller. Hell, they might even be ballsy enough to talk Subban.
Perhaps. Maybe somebody would take Avstsin and a second or third rounder.
I think the Top 10 is pretty unreachable just offering picks, with the talent available there, they’ll want a sure fire prospect in addition to that.
I would love it if the Habs did something like trade the rights to Fischer (essencially a 2nd round pick next year), our first, and our third round to move up to 8 or 9 so we can pick up Nino Neiderreiter (sp?) who is a big, versatile forward that was nearly as good as Hall in the WJC for team Switzerland.
So says the adult who thought posting a picture of Price smoking a cigarette as his avatar proved a point or was funny. Don’t get into mud-slinging contests when you can’t prove your own maturity.
Eller is a top prospect and an AHL all-rookie allstar. He has size and skills. This distinguishes him from 100% of our other centers.
He’s probably going to make this team next year.
Schultz is a young up and coming tough guy with skills. He’s not going to score 50 a year but we needed size and toughness more than that anyways.
Gomez, potentially Pleks, Eller, Lapierre and Endqvist is a pretty good batch of centers for next year.
And Price will be OK.
So lets get excited about the draft and hope we trade Hamrlik.
price is only 22 and most hockey people i heard speak about price feel he has a lot of talent..we have to realize while the team had a great run in the playoffs it is not that good…it needs to upgrade around 8 players on the team …the team we had last year could easily loose to any of the other nhl teams in a playoff series…the hope is that our recent draft picks when they become 21-23 will be much better than the last group ..right now we have too many forwards on the team and in hamilton whose potential is to be checkers/grinders but produce between 5-8 goals a year..
I want an opening like this:
I’m calling out TomNickle:
“””This coming from someone who again, uses their child in an attempt to gain favour from fellow members.
Your child isn’t a shield against criticism. You start fights and run away. Everyone knows your MO Adam.
That’s why several people, not named Tom Nickle, have called for you to just go away or grow up.
I don’t get called immature or a child Adam. But you do on a regular basis.
Keep deflecting, maybe someday you’ll be a man, hopefully you can learn that children aren’t pawns that you use to gain favour. It’s pathetic. “””
I changed my profile as members of this board asked me to take away the photo of Price smoking. I did this out of respect. I replaced this with a family photo. I now see the Inside / out gremlins have switched it back to Price. I am not hiding or using her as a pawn. I can’t understand why you would say this. I stand by every single post – and am open to debate. These comments are disturbing, creepy, and void of any logic.
I will put my own photo up.
I do not start fights and run away. I have a young family, a full time job and a side consulting business. I simply do not have as much time as you to posts an average of 30 posts per day. Just a fact. Days I post – they are days away from the office. Maybe when I am older / retired or have less of a career. Also – so many posts get berried fast – hard to keep up when away from the computer.
90% of members of this board can debate someones ideas with out taking personal attacks. You can not, thus the reason why I call you out on your behavior. Now you are bringing my avatar into play (still don’t get this) and saying you have others who support your thesis that I am immature (I think I saw this on an old rerun of degrassi junior high when Author was trying to build support to win grade 7 president)
I summary – I hope you start acting like an adult. This is really all you have to change:
Debate the content, not the poster.
Good luck, Tom
For what it’s worth here are my two cents on the halak trade
With no doubt in my mind halak had a great season and playoffs, the washington series and pittsburgh series were something special. Although in the new cap era, whatever needed to be done, was done. I wander sometimes what we would have recieved in return for carey price? I highly doubt we would have received the same deal for halak. We in return got 2 prospects, 1 of them playing a full year in the AHL, and having himself a good season, showing promise of being a bottom 2 or possible top 2 forward. Another prospect going through the transition of WHL to AHL, and from the videos i’ve seen, he can certainly be a great enforcer, with some offensive upside, stat related.
It is sad to see halak go, and hopefully he will have another great season, and now that we have price coming in as a possible #1, lets all hope we will see the carey price of 2007-2008, this coming season, based on the contract negotiations i can see a 2 year deal in the works, which i think its completely reasonable to see where his career going.
But the interesting story is who is going to be backing him up? or someone having the possibilities of being a starter? i have a feeling this is going to be a very interesting draft and free agency day this summer, almost as exciteing as last years complete makeover. Getting really excited for next season and its only june.
When it comes to potential and or projections of NHL greatness, I am from the State of Missouri. SHOW ME!
Halak has proven over and over he can carry the load. Eller has not proven anything yet.
“Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
I think I want that music for the Habs goal celebration
Don’t get me wrong – I’m all for the booing. But I want it directed at management. They dropped the ball. We all know what we had with Halak, and they threw him away to save face over making a lousy draft choice.
Ya, i’m not cryin for the Beans in this draft.
okay lol I hope they don’t cause they’re pretty well off as it is thanks to laffy durke
Well, ya that’s kinda where i was leading, Boston won’t get squat.
Yes, but if (when?) Price fails, he will get none of my ire (why would he – it’s not his fault) – I’m saving all of that for PG and his crew…and I hope the idiot boobirds at the Bell Centre do the same.
Of course, I am hoping Price gets it together, and shows his earlier promise that made everyone think so highly of him. Bon Chance, Carey. You’re going to need it, because you have been cast into the shark cage, with no where to hide.
I wish good luck to Jaro as well, even though he doesn’t need luck – his game speaks for itself.
too me it seems they’re at opposite ends of the spectrum, one young, one old. one rfa, one signed at 5 mil. one in the prime of his career after a stellar playoff run and regular season, the other sat on the bench as his team lost a series after being up 3-0. lastly one took over the #1 spot, the other lost it.
Seriously though…who’s going to take on a $5 mill salary for a back-up goalie? Thomas is not going anywhere, unless it’s the AHL. Unless Burke wants to be more of an idiot? Maybe he will offer up all of his first round pics until 2016?
I think it’s pretty comparable. His trade value is certainly diminished.
To be honest – it was the crash that reverted the photo back – I simply was lazy in changing it back.
Reading that article on Halak just reinforces the magnitude of his loss. The Habs are going to feel this one for a long time…terrible asset (mis)management.
And Eller…he didn’t even get 20 goals in the AHL, so don’t expect big things from him in the NHL. We all hope he does well, but realistically we can’t expect him to be more than a Higgins type scorer at best.
So what do you think the Bruins will fetch for 36-yr-old Thomas now that the bar has been set with Halak?
Cube re-ups with Nashville:
Oh good, this IS a hockey site, I was beginning to think it was all about the posters. Good read nightmare, thx.
i guess thats up to OB?
Pardon me for not exactly being excited over a 57 point man in the AHL and 29 more with Frolunda, whatever they are.
… Should Bruin’s GM Peter Chiarelli send Brian Burke a thank you card – Recent history of No. 2 picks / boston.com
adam, you & I certainly have argued, and I myself lobbied to encourage you to change your avatar.
I was extremely happy to see you take it down when you did during the playoffs, so we could all enjoy those same playoffs without having a negative image to look at.
Thank You for that.
Was not too surprised to see it come back, but I said to myself. OK the off-season is still early going.
I respect you for taking it down as you did, and hope it stays down now.
Hab Fans are VERY emotional people, some more then others.
I have not seen personal attacks from Tom, but if he did do that as you say. I agree that ain’t cool, and that would certainly be crossing the line IMHO.
we do need to resign plecks as it will be hard to make up for his 70 points in the reg season…if we do resign plecks and eller makes the club he will play 3rd line but than he will be stuck with our many collection of hands of stone wingers …
Will Eller be wearing 20 or 61 with the Habs?
if eller makes the team that is fine…some people on this site think he can get 70 points…i think a 40 point season would be great…not too many players in the nhl last year had 70 points…dont forget he has played only one year in the ahl …
hey bugs please layoff carey a bit next year, k? maybe he didnt mature so well with pt pro analisis like yours but why werent you in net for 07? hes one of bc’s finest k, that means english. bring back the nq!!!
… Another nice read on our former goalie – Strong work ethic drives Jaroslav Halak
“During the playoffs, I wasn’t reading any newspapers or watching TV,” he said. “But after the season, after it was over, my friends told me how crazy it was and how crazy the people were. It was nice to hear and it was a great run.”
Quotes from Steve Simmons / Sun Media
– If there were a Hall of Fame for the entitled and the egotistical, Eric Lindros would be a consensus first-ballot selection.
– Ken Holland doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, but he’s made two recently with the Detroit Red Wings: 1. Giving up too early on Ville Leino; 2. Re-signing Todd Bertuzzi again. Quick trivia question: Post Steve Moore, name a team Bertuzzi has made better. Answer: None.
– The dean of all hockey writers, Red Fisher, has spoken. He has obliterated the Canadiens for the Halak deal and the dean doesn’t obliterate often … What the dean didn’t say: The Habs could miss the playoffs next season.
– Mike Cammalleri and Danny Briere, 1-2 in playoff goal scoring, were 45th and 46th in scoring during the regular season.
– Can anybody explain to me why the NHL has a Final but the NBA has a Finals?
Matty’s Sunday Short Shifts with Jim Matheson (Tidbits)
– SOURAY MAY FIT WITH SABRES
The Buffalo Sabres might be in the Sheldon Souray hunt because they only got 30 goals from all of their defencemen last season, including 11 from rookie Tyler Myers.
– Carey Price has lost his last nine playoff games with the Montreal Canadiens, yet they traded away Jaroslav Halak to anoint Price their No. 1 goalie.
– Best bet for Laraque? The New York Rangers, who let Donald Brashear go. New York GM Glen Sather drafted Laraque.
– If any team wants Kris Versteeg, here’s the likely scenario the Chicago Blackhawks are pitching: They will give him up for a second-round pick, but the team getting the winger also has to take defenceman Brent Sopel’s $2.2 million contract off their hands.
Anyone else notice Eller uses the on one knee one-timer like Cammy does. I also love the fact that almost every goal was below the dots, in the high traffic areas. He has a great looking shot and is willing to screen the goalie. I’m really getting excited about getting this kid. Schultz looked like a beast aswell, I really can’t wait to see what we do at the draft and in free agency.
Both factions stick up for one another. I mean you and I both know toney242 has a freaking screw loose and rarely post anything that makes sense, yet demigod, adam, clay, xtra, g-man and the rest of the Halak clique, constantly stick up for him. It’s the way it is. I know I’ve defended chuck, andrew, tom, you and the rest of the Price clique. It’s sad in a way, that so many intelligent adults behave like junior high kids over one thing, who plays goal for the Montreal Canadiens. We could atleast be fighting over pretty girls, not 2 dudes. (-:
As one of the posters who wanted you to change your pic, I say thanks Adam. I like Tom, for the most part anyway, but he should not have brought your daughter into the discussion, it was uncalled for.
thumbs up to Mr. Tom, where’s Jerry?
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Nice one Adam!
And Adam going round-for-round with him the other day proved what? I’ve just about given up trying to shut up loony-bin Tony242 up with his crazy conspiracies already and he’s barely been here a month. If you can’t get along with Tom, just ignore him would be my advice, Adam thinks splashing his disagreement in a big post is going to solve anything he’s sorely mistaken.
Adam still has a weak leg to stand on from the maturity issue, the Price avatar was childish, fit for a 14-year old and he carried it for months and I find it hard to take him seriously if he thought that avatar was a reasonable way to complain about Price or just make a joke about a player on a team he cheers for. Tom can be annoying, but Adam had ways to take the high ground in this whole thing going back a long time, he’s been a jerk about the Price-Halak battle for a long time. Maybe I’m ore ready to defend a Price backer than a Halak guy, but that’s because I’ve grown tired of the arrogance of the Halak camp and using every tired, worn-out excuse about Halak’s ‘persecution’ and how Price just loitered to his 5th overall draft selection and his WJC and Calder Cup in 2007.
You don’t have to go back months, weeks, or even days. Look no further than the post Adam is referring to. Look at 90% of the threads Tom posts in. He is an ignorant, obnoxious, loud-mouthed hick. You are no better for defending him, and then claiming the moral high ground.
And that is all I have to say on the matter.
Good day to you.
I thinks its better if he plays with top notch talent in the KHL then agains players in AHL.
Avtsin is reportedly signed to play next year in the KHL, I suspect we won’t see him until the same time as Leblanc or Kristo iMO.
I’m more ready to defend a honest jerk than a hypocritical one, at least Tom is honest in his intentions, Adam pretends he’s better than Tom, but engages in juvenile behaviour regardless. I also have said Tom has gone too far in the past but I don’t feel like going back months of posts to find a specific example during all the Price-Halak wars.
Jason Arnott was acquired by the New Jersey Devils from the Nashville Predators on Saturday in a deal for right wing Matt Halischuk and a second-round draft pick in the 2011.
Made the Conference Finals, dropped us to the final four selections in the draft.
If we’d lost to PIT, we’d be drafting at 11th overall.
4 years. Read Robert L’s blog… UFA is at 25 years of age. Price is 25 in a little over 3 years. Sooooo, it rounds up to 4 years (i believe his birthday does not make the cut for UFA 3 years from now).
well that’s good to hear.
i thought you were completly nuts
but you are deffinately right about the way the team palyed during the palyoffs
“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
I dont think that’s correct. Even the Habs got dropped by the Caps they would’ve pick no better than 14th. Or am I missing something here?
No, you’re right. When you make the playoffs, the 14 teams that didn’t automatically pick before you.
IF being the operative word. AK is done. The sooner that bag of sh*t is traded or bought out or brought behind the shed and “ole yellered” the better.
The dudes a friggin’ brain dead lifeless zombie.
Pouliot better live up to his 4th pick billing too because he was a non-factor in the playoffs as well.
you sure about that sf
seems kind of high
“I like what I’m seeing right now,” assessed Markov. “We’re not perfect, but we’re trying to be.”
Right, my mistake.
a lot of lucky #7’s
For all the dads on HIO have a Happy Father’s Day! I only hope I don’t cross that bridge for a very, very, very long time. LMAO
LOL thats terrible!!!
What would you hab fans think of Markov/ AK/ 1st pick this year for Stall…. Pens get a younger Gonchar that they can sign for a long term contract that they don’t want to give gonchar because of the fact he is over 35 and if he leaves b4 the end of it then the contract will still go against their cap but Markov’s won’t….(under 35 when they resign him) Your habs get that big center they want…..??? how does that sound. you have PK to power the PP next year…
I would make that deal.
I would say that would be Ray Shero pulling down Gauthier’s pants and violating him on live television. It would be the worst trade made since Roy.
Markov is one of the top 10 defencemen in the league, Staal can’t do anything close to what Markov contributes here, not on his best day while Markov’s having his worst.
i would do it.
Eh, I wouldn’t want to trade Markov to a team in the division. Plus I think we’d be overpaying for that.
I’d love to have Staal though.
The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.
For Malkin .. Yes
For JStaal ? — Hmmmmm I dunno, Markov is worth more then JStaal I think, he is not EStaal.
Not to mention, will the complaints that we rush our prospects and put too much pressure on them to succeed too early, why is making Subban our #1 defencemen a good idea all of a sudden? Our PP wasn’t exactly flourishing under a rookie with less than 20 GP in the NHL.
No one around here thinks our blue-chip D prospect could learn a few things from the team’s best player?
Bad deal. I wouldn’t give Markov alone for Staal. He’s still our best player.
Have you ever seriously considered a job in hockey?
Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”
Trading a top 10 defenseman in the NHL AND a 1st round pick AND a talented but underperforming player for a guy who had fewer points last year than Saku Koivu? Who finished 44th in points among Centers alone? Do we really undervalue our players this badly?
Can you say draft lottery? Sure you can!
So we would be trading, Markov, AK, and a 1st rounder for a Trevor Linden?
Ok..J.Staal is a good player, but we wouldn’t be getting the return of production from Staal as much as we would from the guys we would be shipping off..
Leclair deal all over again, IMO..(Even though I liked Recchi)
the pens are not in the same division , they are in the conferance , and the habs do clear up cap space to go after a defenceman. Markov is great yes but some times you have to give up something to get something….I think that they did pretty good this year with out Markov and that is why you trade him now before he becomes UFA next year.
Or we could just sign Markov to an extension and not obliterate our defense for an overrated 3rd line center.
i think stall can be a top player on the habs and much better then linden , everyone wants to get AK off the habs but for someone to take him you need to put him with a better player . i think getting something for Markov this year would be better then him walking away next year if he decides to walk ….. like every other UFA that the habs have had over the last few years…. remmember them, what did they get for them…..Oh yea we got Nada for them…
Or you sign Markov for an extension and keep your #1 defencemen, along with P.K. Subban so we end this pointless quest of trying to get by with one great defencemen instead of two. Canadiens can’t keep putting it all on one blueliner to save their butts every year, it falls apart far too often.
They could have done a lot better with Markov is the issue.
that is honestly the worst trade propsoal i have ever heard
markov is way better then Gonchar defensively and not that much worst offensively.
Jordan Staal is overrated.
Eric Staal on the other hand maybe.
and what is wrong with keeping 2 defencemen who can start an offesnive rush.
Remeber how bad our 2nd wave PP was because we only had MArkov as the go to guy.
now imagine Markov on one wave an Subban on the other
I’d prefer Staal to Malkin. I am thoroughly against any more Russians (sorry ooder). Not until they clean up their development and hockey system. Even their supposed best, Ovechkin, I wouldn’t take. He’s not going to lead the Caps to a Cup any day soon if he keeps up his dishevelled my talent alone can make it BS.
Even Kovalchuck I wouldn’t take at any Price, frig I am so used to spelling “price” with a captial “P”, anyways I meant price. Swedes, Finns, Czechs and Slovaks any day of the week over a Russian or any of it’s derivatives (AKA Belarussian). Something’s amiss in Russian hockey and I’d rather not see that element on the Habs roster.
Trade Markov for Staal and either Talbot or Dupuis.
Markov is worth more than a 3rd/4th line player Crosby or Malkin elevate with an extra 10-20 points per season and a good 3rd-line, borderline 2nd-line centre.
Markov can bring in a lot better than that, try a 1st round pick for us, a true Top-6 forward with 30-goal ability and a prospect easily and by prospect I mean a Kristo, not a Maxwell.
how about Andreas Engqvist He seems like he could be good for us in the next couple of years .Hes big 6Foot 3 200 pounds young and apparently he plays like Sundin.Though he seems like he is still a year or two away.
I would probably consider staal for both K’s and swapping 1st rounders. The pens get a couple of top 6 wingers (yes i feel sergei will be a top 6 guy),we get much bigger at center and move up 7 spots in the draft where we could probably land Dylan McIlrath. The salaries are pretty much equal also. Just throwing something out there.
Jordan Staal and Maxime Talbot for Markov,
Jordan Staal and Pascale Dupuis for Markov.
Markov has been injured 3 times now. Granted one was a freak but the other too were soft. He got two clean hits and got injured whereas many if not most other players taking those hits comes out skating. Markov has great talent, my concern now is his durability, his tenacity, dare I say it, his truculence.
That would be a very good trade for both teams. The Penguins are short on talented wingers and we could use a big center.I hope PG reads HIO.
I think you’re missing the point of that “comparison”. The point is that Eller was in demand, but that St Louis was not looking to shop him, because he was one of their best prospects. Nobody is comparing Harding to Halak – the fact that St Louis said “no trade” shows that they certainly didn’t see them as equals.
The intent of the article is to illustrate how much the Blues valued Eller, and how it took the offer of a player of Halak’s calibre/value to pry him away from them.
I’d take that trade without the 1st round swap so that would only make the deal sweeter IMHHO.
I doubt Pittsburgh would accept that one. I actually heard someone suggest the other day that Malkin might be sent to Edmonton for Hemsky and the #1 overall pick (Pens would take Hall for a winger for Crosby). Then Staal would be upgraded to #2 center at a far cheaper Price than Malkin, Hemsky would go with Staal to be the playmaker on that line. Malkin could be the instant franchise player Edmonton needs.
Just to clarify, this isn’t a rumour, it’s just a suggestion I heard from a friend so it’s not happening.
Grabovksi’s hit on him was about as clean as my apartment was last week, which is something I’m not proud of but Grabs went for boarding because he was bitter about a 6-1 beating MTL was handing Toronto. Who gives a **** about Burkie’s buzzword anyway? Tried to sound smart
while he assembled a loser squad for the 09-10 season. Nicklas Lidstrom
is the best defencemen of his era and he played the role of a smart,
positional, skating defencemen, not unlike Andrei Markov who isn’t as good obviously, but plays in much the same style.
Dupuis and Talbot are 3rd/4th line players only on the top lines because PIT doesn’t have any decent scoring wingers and they think Crosby and Malkin can make anyone play better. Staal is borderline 2nd line centre on his best day, 3rd line on his regular days. If Markov is potentially fragile, than Gonchar, who they’ve kept around for about the same salary is the defencemen equivalent of Rick Dipietro.
Trading Markov for a 4th-line winger and a 3rd-line centre is a joke.
Saku Koivu had a better season than Jordan Staal last year playing 11 fewer games, a minute less TIO per game, on a crappier team, while struggling through injuries, and playing in a tougher conference against better defenseman than a 3rd liner plays against. Jordan Staal is not a special player, his hype is all about his last name and association with his older brother Eric. He’s a run of the mill, mildly talented big player who rarely uses his size.
That would be a great trade for both teams.
Now that I think about it the K brothers should be dealt separately, if that’s possible, and be on different teams if either of them have any hope of salvaging their respective NHL careers.
Sergei is an RFA anyways.
What’s the deal if the Habs don’t re-sign him? Do they get any compensation if another tams signs SK if the Habs don’t qualify?
Too bad his name wasn’t Kessel.
It would also be the biggest trade since the Thornton trade I’d say, it would make huge waves.
If we were to deal Markov, the only way I would do it is if, we got a blue chip prospect like a Pietrangelo or a Bogosian in return in some sort of package…
+19 and 21G 28A I’ll take. He’s a checking centre. Gainey’d love him. Imagine him with Cammy and Pouliot. Muller would teach him how to be better too. Forget Talbot, Dupuis is cheaper and better. Maybe swap 1st round picks, but seriously if Markov stays and goes down again don’t say I didn’t warn you. I hope he doesn’t get injured as a Hab or otherwise but I am concerned that it’ll happen again at an inopportune time. A team can’t afford to have it’s star players *cough*gaborik*cough*koivu*cough*markov*cough* injured at key moments in the season not to mention the playoffs.
Markov had some bad luck last year.
this city really has had it’s share of problems with Russians eh
but look, you can’t say a bad thing about Markov, Malkin and other players of the like.
I mean would you honeslty say no to a guy like Fedorov (in his prime), Datsyuk, Volchenkov, Fetisov, Larionov???
Konstantinov was a monster when he was healthy, as well as Kasparaitus (born in Lithuania but played for Russia and learned everything htere)
yes you have the kovalevs and the kostitsyns, but lets not paint all the Russians with the same brush.
as for the Russian hockey programs, they better get thier poop in a group
Happy Father’s Day. I hope it will be a special day for all the Dad’s who cheer the Habs.
A checking centre with no playmaking ability on the 2nd line with two guys meant to score goals, yes that’ll work brilliantly.
I can understand a person stating his opinion, but what some of you ladies are doing is hardly that.
Take some time off and think about why Halak was moved, then come back and discuss it when your panties aren’t in a knot.
Hockey 101, the Cap World. Do you want to pay Halak 4-5 million, or do you want another forward for the same more that can put points on the board.
I’ve never been a fan of Halak. Too small, and his rebound control caused three more saves than necessary. (A little better version of Huet and Theo)
But I was very happy for Halak when he carried the team into the third round.
Now he’s gone to the Blues, and I’ll watch him closely to see how his life fares.
Happy Fathers Day to my fellow Peers.
See you all tomorrow.
They Call Me Shane
We do not need any more tiny players on the Habs, in fact we need to remove at least one that we have now (preferably Gomez). Desarnais should not be brought up, he should be traded. We need bigger players, not goons, but bigger, stronger forwards with grit and desire. Shultz falls into that category but he is probably a yera or two away from the “bigs”.
For the goalie issue, it’s now a non issue as Halak is now the enemy…remember that my Hab brothers.
Yet, Koivu’s injury plagued self STILL outperformed Staal while playing LESS against BETTER defense on a WORSE team. How does this not compute? Koivu was a +14, on a team that missed the playoffs. Staal is not special in any way.
You dont trade your winning goalies. You trade your losing goalie.
Do you think we will sign Price when he becomes a UFA? fagetaboutit
Don’t engage them. I’ve given up on anyone who will post the same incessant drone day after day.
Post something thought provoking and I will play.
Happy Fathers Day to you too!
Halak is no more the enemy than Saku is…hate the team, but always respect the players (well, most of them).
Cooler heads prevail
Your insults are laughable…
I would have liked 1 more year with Halak and Price on the team.
Halak could have been signed for 1 year, even if it went to arbitration.
Price could have been signed for 1 year, no arbitration.
That was my preference.
1) get to see if Halak can keep up his great performance of the last season / playoffs
2) get to see Price rebounding from a difficult and challenging year
3) get to see the “core” of this team follow up on their special playoff run
If Price carries the ball – no problem – we’ll keep the momentum going.
But with Price sitting for 18 of 19 playoff games, and losing the game he played, its tough to predict what
he will do next year.
I would have preferred to see Price play many more games down the stretch and in the playoffs.
That way he would have gained much needed experience, and honestly, I would have more confidence in
Halak is now the worst of the worst! Do we even play the St. Louis Blues next year? If so, those points could be crucial in deciding whether the season finale against the Leafs matters.
We have about $13M left for 11 players (8 forwards, 1 Dman = Subban, 2 goalies). If Pleks walks, the problem is solved. If he re-signs, then Gauthier has to find a way to dump Hamrlik. The question becomes whether or not anyone would pick him up if he was placed on waivers at the end of camp.
And don’t forget that Price has lost 9 straight playoff games. If we happen to squeak into the playoffs (which I doubt), what will that do to his mental game?
Plagiarizing Habsrule1? How low can one go?
A message for HIO reporters, Boone, Stubbs, Hickey, etc…
I believe there is enough evidence to suggest that John Davidson (GM of St louis) was about to sign an “offer sheet” for Jaroslav Halak.
This is the most logical reason why Gauthier would risk his position as GM and trade the goalie that carried
the load of 18/19 playoff games to the East Conf. finals.
This would be a very reasonable compromise for Davidson and Gauthier to reach a trade agreement instead
of the bad blood of an “offer sheet”.
Please investigate. You might find an interesting story that has not yet been made public.
Hope someone bites on Hamr.
Enjoyed your piece on David Fischer very much.
Would be interested in what the crew @ Habs I/O can discover.
if we sign an experienced back up, and Price struggles, what kind of pressure will there be on the Habs to
play the veteran.?
That could a nasty and uncomfortable situation, and very difficult on Price.
Will Martin be patient with Price??
Will Martin keep playing Price even if he struggles?
Martin is NOT PATIENT – and he plays to win at all costs to his young player’s confidence.
That’s Martin’s style.
Gee, it’s that simple, right Steve?
I think they’ll be more movement than just one or two guys whether they sign Pleks or not. SmartDog brought up the subject, taboo with some here, that it may be time to look at moving some of the others vets (plus maybe a K or two) while the other teams have acceptable assets to trade in return.
I’m not sure another year of Price / Halak would have revealed anything new if we didn’t have the $$$ to improve what was in front of them. IMO
If a vet gets hot, he will play the hot hand. This would be similar to what happened in Carolina with Ward and Legace.
Ed, I think we see that happen, because I believe Price will be the back-up goalie by mid-season. But we will see…
As I said earlier, good luck to him. He’s in a bad spot now, and not of his own doing.
Agreed. he will have no choice. But this will be another set back for Price. Not desirable at all for the long term.
Ed, if this speculation were true (which I really doubt), we would have been better off to let them do it, and either match it if it was low enough, or take the draft pics if it was high. Then either way we do OK…
Bogosian and a 1st for Markov. I’d do it.
And in wacky news, Eklund says we’re chasing Frolov with Mike Cammalleris’ blessing…. gee, does that mean that Cami doens’t like playing with Pleks? That seems like a giant stretch.
* Frolov to the Habs is back. (e3) Mike Cammalleri is a big fan of this
potential move. If Plekanec doesn’t return, this is great possibility.
Eklund also says that Horton is probably on the move but doesn’t mention us. Which means that we’re in the mix there.
(Eklund translator:great possibility = complete dog poop. Black = white, up = down, yes = no.)
Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
maybe we could have taken the draft picks, but certainly
Gauthier believes that Eller can / will play in 10/11.
Eller, in my opinion, is Gauthier’s answer to not re-signing
Plekanec. Eller will get every opportunity to take the spot
of # 2 center for about $750,000. vs Plekanec 5 or 6
million. i.e Eller is the insurance policy against losing
Plekanec, that’s much more valuable than draft picks.
Priceberg…you are the epitome of a fool. Your disagreement is actually the surest sign that i am correct. Thank you.
IMO they are worth more to us as a trade in a package,after that saving their own respective careers isn’t our problem. In a perfect scenerio if both of these guys (and pouliot) would play to their full potential it would turn us from being offensively challenged to offensively deep. As for sergei,i believe the habs can qualify him. I don’t think he has arbritration rights and even if he did his leverage his pretty much non-existent. I guess he can refuse and hope for an offer sheet. But if he has any brains he will accept the qualifer and wait to be traded if he wants to be moved.
Maybe Gauthier is thinking that way…but does anyone really expect Eller to come in as a rookie and replace Pleks’ 70 points? I think not…and we were already struggling for goals. If Eller is the sole replacement for both Pleks AND Halak, we are in worse shape that we thought.
wow this crap just won’t go away even during the most beautifull days of summer so far. i’ve seen Jaro playing very ordinary and very bad between his great games too many times this season to actually convince myself that as some people put it”halak is our greatest goalie since roy .”come on !! really?? there’s a fine line between being a passoinate fan and just being an idiot , like ignoring this great day to beat a dead horse that was never dead in the first place. off to swim and bbq with the family , happy father’s day.
If the subsequent rumors are true that Cammalleri is pushing for Frolov to come to Montreal. Eller could easily get 70 pts if he had both those guys on his wings.
Granted a Eklund rumor, but just goes to show. Eller CAN get 70 pts, lets see what happens this off-season. It is far from being set in stone what the lineup will be next year.
Finally some sanity.
Well if we acquire another good forward who can reliably play the Top-6 wing with Eller and say Cammalleri, it would be easier for him to transition since like Pleks so often struggled with last year, only having one good linemate as he played, if he even had that. More moves are to come, if you’re moving assets to deal with scoring issues, it’s not going to stop with Eller.
I agree, but here’s an arguement against that. Did you see just how mad everyone got when we found out that we traded a bona fide NHL player for two prospects (as in, neither are for sure ready to suit up for the habs)? People were enraged that we couldn’t at least get back someone who is for sure going to be a starter.
I think if we lost him to an RFA-offer sheet, getting back just draft picks would have garnered even more insults towards the management.
Ya know, after watching that video my opinion changed a little. He seems like quite the interesting player.
He has the “CAMMY ONE KNEE ONE TIMER”
I love that.
The lineup for next season:
Gionta – Gomez – Horton
Frolov – Eller – Cammalleri
White -Desharnais – Trotter
Pyatt – Lapierre -Moen
Spacek – Michalek
Gill – Georges
Obyrne – Weber/Carle
I hope the habs can ice a lineup something like this next season. We gotta start injecting some of the youth in hamilton in to the lineup and i think Desharnais deserves a chance to be a regular along with white and Trotter. Hamrlik, The kost bros were traded to florida along with a 1st rounder for Horton while frolov /Michalek /Biron were acquired via free agency. Plekanec walked…
That is quite an interesting lineup. I like how you didn’t sign Bergeron. I hope the roster looks like this by the season start.
I like too… However your lineup suggests your avatar is out-dated now lol
They were discussing JM and his impatience with young players, which is why, in Clay’s eyes, we might see Carey in a back up role the second he slumps. I don’t care who the goalie is, every one of them goes through (mini) slumps. Thank god its a team game, otherwise Ron Hextall would have been the greatest goalie of all time.
Yeah, looks like he has a nose for the net and good hands – things that can’t be taught.
Dave – Logic would dictate that if the Habs and Pleks were close to a deal then it could be finalized in a day or two. There could be an announcment next week but you really have to wonder if he is going to test the market. He would be a fool to not take that step. Same goes for Marleau.
If Pleks walks it could mean that Eller gets fast tracked. That hasn’t worked well for any Hab prospect in the past few years but he did play in the elite league so who knows. Losing Pleks and Hamrlik’s salary could be the best thing that could happen to the Habs. It would indrectly make up for Gainey’s Gomez blunder. We would then have a sizeable amount of cap space to do some discount shopping with other teams that are trying to get down to the cap. I haven’t given up on Pouliot and maybe we could add a guy like Andrew Ladd from Chicago. He’s a RFA and we could do a trade and sign which would save the Hawks a couple of mil. MaxPac is still in the mix and Pyatt and White could be decent 4th liners. Getting a back-up goalie is going to be easy and dirt cheap. Some of those guys are on the bubble and will be out of the NHl this fall. It’s a buyers market. Sign a couple (one forward, one Dman) of mid to low level grit and grind guys and all of a sudden your line-up begins to take shape. The key is to try and sign UFAs for only a few years. Maybe wait for a few days and let the Sather’s of the world blow their horns.
My plan would be to dump both high priced players and then deal with the K brothers (personally, I would bring them back for one more kick at the can). Then try and move up 10 spots in the draft and grab McIlrath.
I doubt Desharnais and Trotter will be kicked upstairs, I expect Engqvist to join the Canadiens and Moore to get a new contract if he’s amenable to a good deal. If the team wants a 7th D, I doubt Weber will be it and as I have said before, I think Carle is too fragile for the NHL.
And it’s Denis Diderot, not Francois Laignelot…. “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
if plekanec is not re-signed, and Halak is gone, that’s about 9 million dollars (5 + 4). replaced by $750,000 Eller.
and about 1.5 million for a back up to Price (likely Biron)
that extra money (about 6 million at least!) will go to someone like Frolov, or someone else – has to be spent on someone I would think.
Anyone think we should trade pleky’s negotiating rights if he isn’t signed by wednesday/thursday? I,for one don’t want to see another komi,souray or streit situtation happen. To me,he will be one of premier if not the premier ufa if he hits the market. You could easily say marleau or kovalchuk are but their asking prices will put most of the teams out of the race for those 2.
But the mullet will never be outddated
I believe Weber could be delt – his spot has been taken by PK – and PK is much better.
LOL – Who knows, Jaromir Eller may make an appearance in a not too distant future.
After having put up with Kovalev’s crap for the past five years I have no interest in bringing Frolov on board. We just started to re-model the core of the team and now you want to bring in a half miler.
There is a good chance that the three players you have on your 3rd line will never make the NHL. White has some jam but the other guys are too small. It may not be fair but once again we need to finally start correcting the mistakes from the past. A team can only afford to have about three undersized fancy forwards and we are already there.
I’ve read on sites (other then Eklund) that PG has a soft deadline of TUE-WED, apparently Thomas’s agent is aiming a bit on the high side.
as a UFA – packaged with AK46/SK74 – something of value could come back.
nothing is impossible, I think a few days ago proved that.
Thats the problem with this organization, we simply do not give the kids a chance to prove what they can do. Desharnais is coming off an amazing season with Hamilton and deserves a least a shot with the big club. He is small but still why not see what he can do with his hamilton line-mates in Montreal. You can see every team in the league call up players from the AHL and put them directly in to the lineup only to have them make big contributions. Moore is not worth spendng the money on , yes he had a very good playoffs but how long term is his career in montreal? i want to see our home grown players play on this team not 3rd liners who have played on 10 teams. i agree about Weber and Carle but i just put them there as callups.
I unno – I kinda like Cammallerri’s word on Frolov.
I highly doubt Mike would want the Fans to suffer through another AK27.
What would/could we get for that? A pick? A roster player? Sorry for my ignorance.
Refer to the Dan Hamhuis trade – Hamhuis is ALSO a pending UFA on July 1st.
Last few days have proven, anything is possible.
I just know Desharnais is a Gionta in the making. I know that if we do not give him a shot we will see him in another NHL uniform scoring 25-30 a season. Frolov has the LA connection with Cammalleri and the two shared some good seasons. He is worth signing because of his size and i think you should really watch him more he does not float as much as you think.
I disagree on the point about moore,the guy is a great 3rd line center and was very clutch in the playoffs. He doesn’t have much leverage due to his so-so season with florida and would probably be cheap to resign. I don’t want to toss away a guy we gave up a 2nd rounder for. If anything we should sign him to at least a one year deal and if necessary trade him at next years deadline to try to recoup our original investment of the 2nd rouder or even a 3rd rounder. That would be proper asset management IMHO.
Martin showed he is changing. Subban is a prime example as is his use of tom Pyatt. We have Kirk M. to thank for that.
The issue is size and frankly, having a checking line with only one guy 6′ tall doesn’t seem right to me. Team needs to add some bulk, I like Desharnais but I don’t think his success runs through MTL for the NHL when we already have Gomez, Cammalleri and Gionta all guaranteed to be here next year, need more guys with at least some size. Desharnais doesn’t work with the team having a size issue as it is.
Moore can have a good caeer as a checking forward in MTL and was clutch in the playoffs, I’d rather not see the team lose a 2nd-round pick for a 3-month rental player and he’s got NHL skill that fits into the checking lines quite well.
Showey’s point is well taken. First, Gauthier has to discover who wants to sign Pleks. Then anything he gets is gravy. Nashville getting Parent was pretty decent. Maybe moving up in the draft would be another way of trading Plek’s rights. We could also throw in a young player from Hamilton if need be.
Moore has a history of wanting more money than he’s worth , i would still rather have Enqvist or Desharnais two players who could potentially be with this team for a long time step into that role and no matter what it will be the cheaper option.
When did Mike Cammalleri say he wanted to play with Frolov? The only time I’ve heard that is from Eklund, which means it’s not true.
After watching the video above and reading some comments made by St. Louis fans about losing a player like Eller, I’m excited to see what he can do on our team.
I got a nickname for the newcomer — “The Great Dane”
We traded Grabovski for Sundin’s rights as a UFA…
halak was a .500 goalie in the playoffs. he went 9wins 9losses got pulled 3times sat once .hands visibly shaking, it does not inspire confidence. he had trouble stopping shot higher then a foot off the ice. you all forget mthe great impact guys like gill, gorges, and the rest executing martin’s stifling trap. most shots came from the outside. halak was good but nothing more. Martin”s game plan was excellent for the team we had. Remember every1 1player does not a team make. get a grip ppl, gms wer banging gauthiers door down for halak. and rightly so.
What Cammalleri said, in the past & it came out near the trade deadline as well, by more then just Eklund this week. Eklund is using what was said in the past to solidify his E3 ranking.
Anyways Camm had said he loved playing with Frolov, and there was clear chemistry between the two.
This was also mentioned when Gomez/Gionta Duo was re-united in Montreal, how Camm/Frolov was ALSO a proven duo from the past.
Im sure Cammalleri is aware that a player who he had success playing with is available and wouldn’t mind having him on his line again , But that is just a guess.
ok lets not rewrite history.
halak was more than just “good”
I’m sure we’ll see that line used.
But if Halak starts off the year on a tear, I expect “Dane involved in Shakespearian tragedy again”.
I understand most of your response except for the K brothers issue. How much is enough with these two? The whole “potential” argument just wears thin after a while. After the dismal showing of AK in the playoffs and the ongoing dilema that is SK I don’t know why we put up with it. I say package them up, move them out, get a grit and grind roster player(s) in return and let someone else deal with their enigma machine.
2003…what can I say?
Moore and his agent blew it last year. They should have taken the laff deal near the end of the season. I’m sure that has to be playing on his mind. Re-signing Moore also gives us the option of using Laps on the wing. I also agree with the point that we indirectly get something long term for trading a 2nd rounder. It would be less painful having Moore on the roster when we eventually lose that young prospect.
Sorry Clay – WRONG!
Grabs rights was contingent on Sundin signing with us.
When that did not happen, Toronto traded a 2nd rounder (that was used for Schneider or Lang, I forget who) to get Grabs.
However the parallel is still correct, something CAN be had of value in return for a UFA.
We traded grabovski for a 2nd round pick and greg pateryn. I think the orginal deal would have been grabovski for sundin if mats had signed with us.
Thanks to all for the explanations.
I wish that people wouldn’t be so foolish as to attempt to erase Halak’s accomplishments just because he was traded.
i meant “were not banging gauthiers door down”
Bill – The other question that hasn’t been asked is what kind of contract would it take to bring Forlov here? The guy is 28 and he made 4M last year. The minimum would have to be at least be Gionta’s contract. That’s 24M for four forwards, long term.
But you’re willing to put up with the K brothers crap again? Sorry Steve, couldn’t resist.
Nice to see he can make some moves in tight, going to the net. Looks promising!
Honestly dave i don’t know. But i would be trying to create a bidding war with all 29 teams. It could be a prospect with a conditional draft pick,it could be a young but proven roster player. But i do believe he is a much more realistic option for most teams to pursue then marleau and kovalchuk would be. Besides,there are virtually no top 2 centers available other then ollie jokinen. In other words,we own the market it we want to shop him.
True – but much like Halak trade free’s up Cap space, not signing Plekanec ALSO saves Cap space.
Frolov + another pickup on July 1st + a backup goalie & a few well placed re-signings (would like to see Moore return)
= a better team then last year, and still under the Cap.
Purely speculation of course, but these are feasible options to the Habs. Not outlandish like dreaming of Jeff Carter or Vincent Lecavalier.
I can’t stand the K brothers but I also can’t stand the thought that we might let them go just before they turn it around. That would be a crushing blow for a team that can’t develop young forwards and has very few NHL ready guys in the system. Give them until Christmas and then make a final decision.
Having said that, if someone wanted both of them for a decent player who is under 30….
Just playing devil’s advocate Bill, but at some time in the past I said I loved playing with my ex-wife and we did have chemistry but it doesn’t mean I would again…;)
Which may put us in the driver’s seat for reasonable compensation. Certainly a cheaper alternative than chasing a higher priced hired gun.
Ok man, whatever makes you feel better about the trade.
Fact remains at the very least, if PG is smart – he goes & talks to Camm & asks him for his thoughts on Frolov.
IDK about you guys, but wouldn’t Weiss be an ideal replacement if Plex prices himself out of our range?
Speculation from Darren Dreger is that Tallon is shopping Weiss in order to rebuild the Panthers..Would our late 1st rounder and middle of the road prospect (Carle, Weber) get a deal done?
*Weiss’ cap hit is at 3.1M until 2013..
remember that . . . . . Mats, I had totally forgot about that.
however is it worth it.
we got this kid Eller right, so lets see what he can do
we don’t need every player that’s available
Save Spezza Rally draws enough fans to fill a row at Sen’s game / Puck Daddy
Wiess is 5-11 and 185 lbs. – God Damn I really want a big, strong, solid scoring Centre – its fairly clear that is what this team needs badly. Not sure if that would get me very excited.
I feel so much better about the trade now.
lol..When did I ever say we need every player that’s available?..I was just speculating on a reality that Plex may walk on July 1st..
Eller has 7 NHL games under his belt and, as much as I like the kid, I’m not that comfortable about him replacing our leading scorer..
Weiss has that ability at a very friendly cap hit..
Just posting this for discussion purposes…
Something rotten in the State of Denmark.
I see Eller replacing Metro next year – not being our top Centre. He has played 7 NHL games remember – 7. In time a good chance at becoming the player we all really want, but no way do the habs expect him to be a top centre come October. And the Habs need that big time.
How many of those are actually available? If that is what it takes for you to be satisfied, then you will never be..
What teams are going to give up a “big, strong, solid scoring Centre”?
With Markov a definite no show to begin the season and Pleks a high probability to be gone. This team is in trouble!
hey don’t think i am attacking you or anything lol.
I am just saying that lets try to build with young and cheap guys as opposed to brining guys from other teams that’s all
Downplay it all you want, Halak was a beast in the playoffs..He held us in games that we had no business winning..
We really have to get over this..
I see what you are saying, but with guys like Gomez, Gionta, Cammy, etc. as our core, we really don’t have the time to wait..If that is your logic, then just deal those guys for prospects and tank like the Panthers, Blue Jackets, or Oilers..
The window for us to win is on the horizon..Gainey put us there with the commitment on last year’s July 1st..
IMO, with the state the team is in now, we can’t afford to wait for an Eller to develop into a top line center..Sure, he may tag a long and eventually grow into one, but our window of opportunity is close at hand..
Weiss would give us cap flexability and a bona fide top line center..He did play against every other team’s top line and excelled, BTW..
Triple – Icing the team we have now – before free agency, the draft and any more trades – I agree they are screwed. Good thing is that is not going to happen.
Excellent points which I echoed last July 1. You can’t logically build around a core of high priced older UFA’s. You have to build around young lottery picks who the team will have for cheap so that you can use the cap space to fill in with UFA’s.
I still have no inclination as to what Bob was trying to accomplish last July 1. Now the contracts have come home to roost and PG is between a rock and a hard place.
i guess it comes down to waht we have to give up to get him and if it can work with the cap.
if Pleks walks then he would be a nice replacement, then we let Eller develop on the third line.
then we will have the Jewish connection with him and Cammelleri
Thanks for bringing this up dude as I had totally forgotten about this option. I was resigned to the fact that once again a home grown talent would walk for nothing.
Will PG have the creativity and more important the negotiating skills to bring something positive out of this fiasco?
Not many, I’m with you, but a man can dream . . . . .
if ak46 and pouliot play like they can then the team will be ok
Harding’s considered to be one of the best backups in the game, and could easily be a #1 elsewhere. It even says STL wanted him.
But even then, STL didn’t want to give up on Lars Eller because they were so high on him.
Get over it man. The trade’s done. Go whine somewhere else.
The Habs are making me Bi-Polar.
Who is this guy? lol
tony let me know why you are so upset about everything.
you have an opinion and I respect that, since this is a free country/blog.
also, you don’t insult other posters and don’t go below the belt.
but why are you so upset about the team. I mean let them play next seasona nd then judge.
for all you know this Eller kid can really be something
I would hate to be you.
If you are this negative about a hockey trade, how do you react to real life issues? Yikes.
Not negative – thats great stats for 7 games – I was saying that you can’t count on any player who has 7 games played to be a top line, or second line centre to start the season. That would be nuts.
The doctor always told me, never get all bent out of shape stressing about stuff you can’t control..It shortens your life span..
Words of wisdom, Tony…
I think this option is going to become more and more popular since the current cba allows players to become ufa’s as early as 25 years old.
i meant everything habs related lol.
LOL..Team MVP..Backstrom has really fallen off the radar, as far as starting goalies go..This past season..
Especially with that 6M dollar anchor tied to his ankle..
Between backstrom’s and thomas’ contracts,halaks agent (and halak) must be smiling ear to ear.
Non thinkers? You are doing nothing but..
You see Superman being dealt for 2 spare parts..I see a goalie that had a great 2nd half of 1 season and a great playoff run who is a RFA with all the bargaining leverage on a cap strpped team dealt for 2 solid prospects..One that has size, physicality, and a scoring ability..
Basically also an unknown going into this season as to whether he can carry the load of 50-60+ games and keep that ability on an all time high..
Door #1 for door #2&3 as far as I’m concerned, only we got more cap flexibilty..
Meh, stress all you want..What do I care? lol
You don’t know Tony. I think he was being sarcastic but I could be wrong.
I still can’t figure out why PG hasn’t taken a run at signing Mats Sundin?
Do you happen to have a good link to the current CBA with regards to UFA’s. I am still unsure when exactly Price is a UFA.
Anti-Depressants is how he deals with real life.
Montreal has picks #27,#57,#117,#147 and #207.
…and St. Louis said no. What’s your point?
With the 207 pick Montreal is happy to take from Rimouski……….. Philippe Tremblay.
I don’t understand why we draft so late? Does it have to do with the playoff run? Makes no sense to me.
– I will not apologize for being a delirious HABS fan! –
looks like st louis has a history of current “offer sheets”.
David Backes July 1, 2008 3 years, $7.5 million St. Louis Blues Vancouver Canucks Matched –
Steve Bernier July 8, 2008 1 year, $2.5 million Vancouver Canucks St. Louis Blues Matched
I’m starting to believe more and more that this trade was a result of Davidson telling Gauthier that St Louis was going to write up an offer sheet on Halak. Gauthier then agreed to work a trade which would at least get the Habs a player they could use right away.
Not even close.
Isn’t the defense pretty much set.
Gorges and Gill were great together. Markov makes anyone he plays with look great, and he is great.
Subban has a shot at Calder. Spacek and Hamrlik are useful cagey veterans. O’Byrne is big and I think showed a lot at times last year. I wish he were allowed to make a mistake, but that’s me.
We have service call ups, isn’t the defense set?
Happy Aboriginal Day… I wonder what Careys doing today? lol…
that team at 1:52 in the vid is the team andreas engqvist plays for lol
saw some posts about trading Markov…unreal, unreal i say. who in the right mind would trade him giving our lack of mobility on D (exclude PK) what a joke. while i admit players come and go..markov must resigned long term and BTW who would take his place..????
Trade Markov? Are you people nuts? His value is lower right now anyway.
It’s being reported that Gauthier is very interested in Volchenkov and Horton.
Wonder where that cap space is coming from?
Buh bye Roman.
who is reporting this ?
Horton I can see (the JM connection)
Volchenkov ? Why ?
Probably because 29 other teams are also interested in Volchenkov.
Great source. They have reputable people on staff and don’t report bogus rumours as fact.
They had the Moore to Montreal trade that NOBODY ELSE DID.
They use a collection of news reports from around the league and their sources(Michael Cammalleri’s sister is one of them).
They are very rarely incorrect when speculating.
Anybody of the opinion that there’s no market for Roman Hamrlik should check out the rosters and payrolls of the New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, Anaheim Ducks and Phoenix Coyotes.
All four teams need a veteran defenseman who can play at both ends of the ice, they have cap room and in the cases of the Isles, Ducks and Yotes, they need to spend money to get to what will be the cap floor.
Acquiring a player with Roman’s salary with only one year left on the contract is much more attractive to teams than overpaying on a long term deal for a player in a weak FA market that drives up the price for players of equal, lesser and better caliber in the future.
Thanks – just read that post, now I would far prefer Hamhuis wait for July 1st.
and the Habs stick it to the Flyers & get him instead of Volchenkov.
Absolutely. Those Anaheim & Phoenix 1st round picks look tasty. Maybe Hamr & SK for one of those 1st rd picks?
Actually, based on what I would speculate, we aren’t looking at a draft pick higher than a 3rd rounder with Hamrlik involved.
If you go to players or mid level prospects, I would speculate the following players.
Anaheim-Ryan Carter or prospect Justin Schultz
New Jersey- David Clarkson or prospect David Mcintyre
Islanders- Trent Hunter or prospect Matt Donovan
Phoenix – Lauri Korpikoski or prospect Justin Weller
I hope we get Horton. I think playing in a place where people care about hockey would be good for him.
I’m not a fan of the Habs paying 5 mil for Volchenkov though. He blocks shots but has zero offensive upside. Gorges and Gill have shown they can block shots with the best of them anyway.
Yeah, you’re probably right. I could likely live with any of those guys but I’m starting to wonder if we have any chance of moving up in the draft. Or is Mcilwrath really worth such a bold move? Boone’s starting to win me over. He’s not gonna be a Markov but he sure doesn’t look like a fun guy to play against and I’m not sure it would take him that long to be ready to go. I’m sure he could convince Hartnell that sitting in Price’s lap on the pp is a bad idea.
Took Boone’s advice, got in to get out, and took my daughters to Toy Story 3 for the afternoon. How goes the hockey wars?
Yup. Buyers’ market.
I don’t think it’s worth trading up for McIlrath with Petrovic slotted right around where we pick.
Is McIlrath tougher? Yeah, but not by a whole lot. Is he better defensively? The jury is still out.
It very likely isn’t worth giving up assets to get to a guy who is remarkably similar to a guy we can get at the end of the first round.
i did the same thing yesterday with my son… freakin mr tortilla head lol
Lol, ya that was my favorite too: from spud to floppy to pickle… pretty good.
Gotta say, this is my favorite hockey time of year… so much potential. End-of-season / playoffs? Not so much: it kills me, and I am always too busy at work.
Gota agree – July 1st rocks, thank god for Smart phones so we can enjoy Canada Day + still receive signing updates.
Last year I scared a buncha kids at the local Canada Day Fair when they announced Cammalleri and I screamed out loud with joy. lol
I think only Carey Price has more potential
Agreed Bill, it’s a fun time. Nowhere to look but up! Good or bad? I can’t wait to see what Habs management present us with.
Wait a minute, wait a minute. The K brothers got that there “potential” thingy too.
You gota point there punkster. <wink wink nudge nudge> The Gazette needs to start reporting on how the Kostitsyn’s have DRAMATICALLY improved their work ethic, and how they are ready to score 50 goals each next season.
Front page news for the next 2 weeks (or till a sucker team decides to make a pitch for the next Sedin’s)
Go Kostitsyn’s GO!!!!
And I just adore their hair styles. Or is that abhor? Whatever, these guys are tops in all departments. We can make this happen Bill. I say we start a fan-based call for their numbers to be retired in advance.
DON’T TRADE THE K BROTHERS!
The issue is a number of mock drafts have both McIlwrath and Petrovic
taken before the 27th overall selection so if the trade up is made, it
might as well be for the superior player, provided it doesn’t set the
team back too much.
Keep the K Bros! We are family!
We’ve been interested in Clarkson before and I would love to see him added, but theres no way Jersey is giving him up.
You found our theme song PB. Sister Sledge.
The only way we get Volchenkov is if we get rid of Hamerlik’s contract some how
McIlrath beat the living crap out of Petrovic this season. He could be our new John Ferguson (playing a different position of course).
True. We’re never getting a guy like Clarkson for an aging, expensive Dman. You don’t get much in return when you are trying to dump salary. Just taking it on is the heart of the deal.
I guess the real question is what would we have to give up to get a young player like Horton who has three years left on his contract(at $4M).
i would be happy with roman for a 3rd rounder. roman for a 2nd rounder and i’ll be jumping for joy. anything to get rid of the 5.5 million. i would even buy him out if that’s need be
I agree except the buyout part. I would take whatever draftpick we could get for him. How about we offer him and a conditional pick to the sens for the negotiating rights of volchenkov?
There are comparable players out there we can get though.
And don’t forget, in cases with Anaheim, the Islanders and the Coyotes, they need to spend money to be cap compliant. Them taking salary on isn’t them doing another team a favour, it’s them having the favour done for them.
They don’t want to sign free agents at expensive prices and drive the market up for mediocre players, when they acquire one by trade, they getting to the cap floor without driving the prices on free agents to be, up.
Perhaps Hammer and Gomez to New Jersey for Clarkson and whatever.
That would be like us trading P.K Suban for Olie Jokinen and Wade Reden.
Anaheim will have no problem getting to the cap floor with Bobby Ryan up for contract and Niedermayer likely returning.
The Markov trade talk is interesting. I brought that up right after the playoffs ended on a thread in here. I’m not saying I would do it, but shopping him around would be very interesting. I’m also not saying PK can be compared to Markov, but having him around if we lost Markov would make the loss a bit less painful.
Go Habs Go!! “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock
the flyers top four d were great in keeping the puck in the attacking zone and giving their forwards support…if markov goes we will only have pk to do this…also our pp will not work with a second unit consisting of hammer,spacek/gorges…to be an elite team you need at least two d men who can provide offense and carry the puck out of your zone
Finally someone who makes sense.
Thanks. I try.
Habs should draft Charlie Coyle. 28th on ISS top 30. Tony Amonte’s nephew. Big kid 6’2 202 lbs, strong skater, right-hand shot.
What would your guys’ thoughts be on Markov to Columbus for Kris Russel, Antoine Vermette, RJ Umberger?
for those of you who want to trade Markov, I have a question
why are the habs restricted to only one top defense man that can generate any offence?
every single elite team has at least 2.
so lets try this crazy idea, we keep our team MVP and best player in MArkov AND Subban.
wow.. totally whack i know
Let’s lock this guy up, he’s nuts
Not in a million years ever. That trade is tantamount to rape of the Montreal Canadiens.
You mean… we should continue to strengthen our defensive core because that’s essential to building a championship team?
Now why would we do that?!? Don’t you know it’s better to trade everything we have for draft picks and just tank!
That’s just crazy talk, oo-man. Gowon whichya…
Wouldn’t buy him out but I’d drive him to the airport.
Don’t quit your day job…
this really pissed me off before so I’ll use it to…Halak Who?i know who he is but what also pissses me off is when people say that halak carried the team i didn’t see a single shutout performance in the playoffs … you get a couple of those each series then you’re carrying the team. a good save percentage means nothing in reality, just means you’re getting a lot of shots thrown at you, and they don’t have to be good shots either.well I’m giong to get ripped by a bunch of idiots so in advance… go stick it where the sun don’t shine
I see you are jumping in head first..lol
I agree with the carrying the team sentiment, but you can’t argue he had a great run..He basically stole, at least 4 or 5 games for us..You can’t discredit that..
LOL-I’m just gonna sit back and watch.
No it’s 8, 3 vs PHI, 4 vs BOS and 1 vs WAS. Keep up the good work.
Carey has stolen many games, the reason many discredit it – is because he was inconsistent, something that can happen when the goalie is extremely young.
Games 1 & 2 of the season off the top of my head. The game against Columbus among several others in November.
The 2 playoff losses this year were as result of Halak being pulled …. not his fault.
Last year is ancient history. The team is completely different. I believe that Price has changed as well. His work ethic has to improve, yes, but the bottom line is that he cannot put pucks into the net. The team in front of him as to score.
I am cautiously optimistic.
Having Hal “Skill” is going to change that, IMO he is the one who keeps the players together, he showed Price confidence when others did not. The TEAM is going to be fine.
He did start a playoff game this year, he started game four of the Caps series.
Good points ….
I think Gauthier feels we need a guy who can put pucks into the net more that we need one who keeps them out, and I agree. Whether we win a game 6-5 or 1-0, it’s the win that counts.
Price will stop pucks. All goalies let in stinkers from time to time. I can’t really think of a game that Price cost us … in fact, the team in front of him was more often than not to blame for the losses he incured. This kid looks good. If we can get rid of the brothers K, re-sign Pleks, and get 1 more sniper, this team is going to contend for a long time!
GO HABS GO!
I can think of a game or two Price lost for us, but you’re right that it’s never as simple as being one guys fault.
Price’s only problem is that he needs to get a sense of desperation in his game..He has the tools to be a great goalie, but his mindset is just too relaxed…
Maybe PG should hire a physciatrist to help him out..lol
Yea, well, I can think of a couple when Halak didn’t help us out, as well..lol
Price doesnt suck but I must be the only one thats noticed a bad vibe on the team the past couple of years (not saying its Price’s fault). Halak defeated that vibe and unified the team once he got in in my opinion. Eller could be good, but it doesnt matter because those little things you cant measure are what counts the most and its what makes teams special.
Strangely enough, when I think of games where Halak was terrible, a few of them we ended up winning anyway.
…and lost…so 9 playoff losses in a row now?
Lars Eller had 57 points in his first year in the AHL
i think thats pretty good for a playmaker.
1 point behind the team leader in points despite player 10 less games.
If i had to take a large contract from edmonton in a trade,i would make it dustin penner’s.
If they could trade SK + Hamrlik to EDM for Souray and their 2nd pick, would you do it?
You bet Andrew, my self and some others were positive about Moore, look what he provided when he played, no matter if he does not re-sign, he was what the TEAM needed at the time…the Habs are in good shape. Posters can say what they want about Gainey, Gauthier, etc. No, fans will NEVER agree with ALL moves.
So yeah I really feel positive with what I am seeing going on in Montréal.
I was one who wasn’t happy with the Moore trade. I have no problem admitting how massively wrong I was. I love the way Moore plays and I hope he’s back next season for a reasonable contract.
And I think you’re right that the team is going in the right directions, they are getting better and younger. If we can shed Hamrlik’s contract and sign Pleks I’ll be swooning!
Why should we take on a bad contract that goes for 2 more years compared to Hamrlik’s 1?
Souray’s getting more fragile all the time and is not good defensively, rather not have -20 Defencemen on the roster for 2 years. At least MAB is cheap.
Sorry to butt in. I still wouldn’t take Souray back. Injury prone and all. I actually like the Hammer just not his contract.
To maybe get a high 2nd Rd pick in a fairly deep draft year…and not let Sergei go for nothing. I loved what Hamrlik did, but to trade him, you WILL have to take something that another team does not want. Nothing against Roman…and Sheldon did lead ALL nhl D in goals did he not (06-07)? Big, when healthy is tough, can fight, can score when healthy.
Yes but he’s got an NTC and I don’t think has any interest in coming back East, coming up on the wrong side of thirty and he’s not healthy enough in the last few years to be reliable, at least Hamrlik has been very durable in his career. Sergei will be moved, but I don’t think taking on Souray’s contract when we have cap trouble is going to do us any good for filling out the roster.
Taking a bad contract for one that goes on longer just to get a 2nd-round pick isn’t worth it, even in a deep draft IMO>
I will agree to a point, because yes, it is a gamble to take on almost the same salary at twice the term. You just never know with prospects but Souray playing half as Hamrlik will still net the same points…and that shot is wicked…go youtube it!
The issue is when Souray pots 20 goals on the PP, he allows 20 more at ES, his 20 goal seasons have always been offset by bad ES stats. That’s what bothers me, Hamrlik doesn’t do the production, but he’s a far more durable player with much better defensive ability. If we want a PP guy, just sign MAB for a year at a million.
Besides, Subban can blast ‘em himself, set a team record in Hamilton for goals by a defencemen.
Nope, no way. While the 2nd round pick is enticing because it’s so high up, Souray exacerbates our problems with the cap later on. We need cap space to resign Markov, Gorges and a few others next year.
We have Subban and Price now…ain’t nothing cheap going by them. Sheldon is 6″4 220lbs and can use it. In the Martin system, I think he would do well.
Nothing new there – you’re almost always wrong…
Day 4 of the Jaro Cryfest for some of you.
Let it go… let it go. It’s summertime, time to look forward at the coming season and all the wonder it will bring! Summer, a time to let go of hockey for awhile (except the draft and July 1st), have some cold beers, go to the beach, barbecue, whatever.
But let’s let Jaro be a St. Louis Blue, his destiny was never in Montreal.
If Halak stood on his head against the flyers and team let him down I would say this was a bad trade. Halak didn’t play bad and the team didn’t play as well but Halak was exposed by the Flyers. In todays NHL a Goalie has to make the save yes but he can’t carry a team to the cup anymore because players can’t hook and hold . Washington and Pittsburgh playerd in to JM roppy dope style and the team colasped around Halak allowing his quick feet to excel. The Flyers played a New Jersey trap and we all know how well this team plays against the Devils. The team needs to get bigger and tougher and needs a centre. His play in the playoff allowed Gauthier to make this trade and address these issues at a cheaper cost. Its funny all I here from the Toronto media and the sheep on here that seem to follow their words how bad a trade this is for Montreal. So what if these two players make the Habs and their size and skill sets allow the Habs to have a great season? What if Pice has a bounce back year and I think he will? What if Halak is a one trick pony like Theodore? How come you never read anything in the Toronto media and that includes the Gazette which is a Toronto media puppet about how this trade could be good for the Habs.
“but Halak was exposed by the Flyers”
if halak was “exposed” by the Flyers, why didn’t the habs go to Price?
that’s what makes this trade unacceptable.
even when Halak could not win against Philly, the Habs STILL DID NOT GO TO PRICE.
I have to say that all of a sudden there’s all this stuff about who Halak is, what his habits are, how he prepares mentally, his work ethic etc. Not that we haven’t heard SOME of this before. But it strikes me that for all the emphasis on Price’s “physical gifts” Halak has him beat on the mental game easily.
Carey Price, if you want to be as good or better as Jaroslav Halak, re-learn your mental game. You have to figure out what WASN’T working for you – because a lot wasn’t. And perhaps starting with the idea that it’s a lot more work keeping your focus in the NHL than anywhere else is a good idea.
To be clear, I’m not trying to drag up “the debate” and what’s the point – the ship has sailed and Price COULD be a great goalie in the NHL. So let’s back that horse.
(But I do say that Gautheir has taken a gamble that may define his leadership. And we’ll see how that goes!)
Apart from the Dimitra trade, why is Gauthier so reviled? Not trying to start a war, just want to understand.
You don’t feel that trading a younger player who you took 5th overall for someone you took in the 9th round would be an even greater gamble?
Also not dragging it back up, mostly cause it will never go away, but we tend to only see one side in this city.
We recite LeClaire, Roy, Savard, Chelios, etc etc over and over. However we have slowly not said anything about Kovalev anymore, Ryder anymore, Souray anymore, Komi anymore, etc etc…
We really do pick and choose what to believe here instead of actually looking at the whole picture. With any kind of realism or objectivity…
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
I would add that I sense Halak has a very aggressive agent, and that he is looking for a long term high dollar contract. The league has new rules for equipment, plenty of goaltenders to go around. Halak gets credit for any wins, the team for any losses. A couple years ago the Flyers took the Habs apart in the playoffs, the coach hung Price out to dry, and the fans climbed on. This year the Flyers took the Habs apart in the playoffs, the coach shut up, and the band wagon crawled along. I wonder how the players feel, gashes, tears, braces, bruises, totally exhausted, to have it all attributed to the devine intervention of a goalie.
I hope Halak gets 5.5 a year for six years. I hope the Blues make the playoffs. But I will be glad once he signs whatever, where ever, and this constant media blitz of Halak stories stops.
Ok. The notion of trading Markov is absolutely ridiculous.
People. You need to understand that a players value isn’t tied to how many points they score/season.
Malkin and Crosby are great players. But without somebody to replace Markov, we are a lottery pick team, that simple.
His value to this team isn’t equaled by any other player on our roster and can only be filled by a handful of NHL players.
We can add a Crosby, Malkin, Toews, but then how do we get the puck out of our end? How do we replace the Powerplay QB? How do we replace the defensive ability of the player who Ovechkin calls the toughest defenseman to play against in the NHL. That surely is an exaggeration in favour of his countryman but not that far off in the grand scheme of things.
Markov may not get the press, the hype, the league wide love, but he has the utmost respect of every player, coach and executive around the league. When you’re talking about what Markov would fetch, you need to consider that he would fetch no less than what the Ducks got for Pronger, and that he is as close to irreplaceable to this team as it gets.
In my opinion, Doughty, Keith and Weber are the only 3 defensemen in the NHL who can adequately replace what he brings, and Weber’s a stretch.
IDK, I think MArkov is one heck of a hockey player, but we seemd to be just fine without him this past season..
Don’t get me wrong, he is a definite impact player for us, no doubt, but he is getting a little long in the tooth and injury prone..Maybe we could deal him while his value is actually high…
Which makes an injury to him all the more critical to the team’s success or failure for that matter. Last time I looked the word team wasn’t spelled markov. Just saying. Habs just traded their MVP. What makes Markov so sacred? All options are open my friend.
Hmmmm I Dunno Tom.
Removing Markov and adding a Malkin (just a name out of a hat for now)
changes this team from a pathetic bunch led by Camm on offence, & aging Markov who has been injured far too much over the past 18 months to not affect his game.
If anything NOW is the time to trade Markov, before the injuries start showing in his performances.
Yes sans Markov we are weaker on the back end, but by adding a Malkin, our offence suddenly becomes VERY good.
I prefer scoring goals over getting shut out, Flyers proved to us what is MOST important
Only scenerio I would trade Markov is if all the doomsayers are correct and we are looking at a lottory pick by trade deadline, then I would trade him, hopefully in a package with Gomez.
The notion is certainly NOT ridiculous. Markov has fantastic value. Markov is in the final year of his contract. Markov will certainly get a raise thereafter. There is absolutely nothing ridiculous about entertaining the notion to trade him for…let’s say…a 1st line centre.
WITHOUT someone to replace Markov, you may be right that our defensive talent drops significantly. Thing is, we DO have someone to replace him as 1st D. I’m sure you know who I’m referring to.
Now, if Markov had EVER performed to the level his talent dictates in the PLAYOFFS, I’d be right there at the picketline with you.
But he hasn’t. So I won’t. And instead, would surely entertain the notion of trading him as it is anything but ridiculous.
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David Desharnais scored 78 points this season for Hamilton (27 goals, 58 assists).
How much of an impact do you think he will make on the Habs next season?
Let me put than another way for you…
Ben maxwell had 44 points in only 57 games. Tom Pyatt had 35 points in only 41 games (very impressive, Tom!).
Does anyone believe they will score many goals for the Canadiens next season or beyond?
Apples and oranges. You’re comparing AHL vets to a 20 year old rookie who’s game style is far more easier to convert to a NHL level. Stats don’t even scratch the whole story. Not saying it means nothing, but you can’t just base everything on it. If so Locke would have been a star. There are MANY other intagibles you have to look at ALONG with the stats. Size, game style, speed, strenghth, attitude, etc.
Desharanais had 58 points in his rookie AHL season.
I think the point people are trying to make is that AHL success is not a garantee of NHL success.
desharnais and pyatt are in the 4th year in the minors,maxwell in his second and playing on a stack hamilton team as it showed by their overall record. Eller was a rookie on a bad peoria team. Eller has 2 nhl goals in 7 games maxwell,desharnias and pyatt had a combined total of 2 this year and it took 40 games for pyatt to get those 2. Unlike the majority of people on this site i will reserve my judgment to see how this trade pans out for the players involved and how the money saved allows us to improve the team in other areas.
LOL…obviously you missed my whole point – which was that AHL stats are meaningless in the NHL.
Everybody knows what’s keeping desharnais from making the nhl. If he was over 6′ with his skill set do you think he would still be playing in the ahl? He would probably make our lineup if we didn’t already have smaller players on our top 2 lines.
Seems like the winning argument to me. I’m looking forward to seeing this guy in a habs sweater.
You’re mistaken if you think I am judging Eller. What I am doing is judging Halak. I know what we had with him, and that is something this team will miss greatly and immediately.
I think the draft lottery is not unlikely.
Its not about winning or losing an arguement to me smartdog,i just give my opinion. I fully understand why the trade was made,i would have liked to see a little more in return like i posted on a different thread (i felt we should have also swapped 1st round picks with the blues). But,it is what it is. There is nothing that can be done about it now. Maybe the fact that only 4 teams were interested in halak means his value wasn’t as high as we think it was. Also knowing he will get a minimum of $4 million may have scared off alot of teams as well. I can’t help but think this move is going to lead to a few other ones.
When we called up Ribeiro he had 66 points in 74 games in the AHL…
Mikko Koivu had 48 points in 67 games in his first season in the AHL…
Zach Parise had 59 points in 73 games in the AHL…
Jordan Staal had 28 points in 66 games in his first season in the OHL…
PATRICK SHARP had 33 points in 53 games in his first season in the AHL…
He was also second place in rookie scoring behind Tyler Ennis.
I don’t think I’ve suggested he’s reviled. And in his short time he brought in Moore which was a good move (thought it probably came from Martin).
But on my scoreboard he’s not doing very well. Three things:
1. He should’ve either signed or traded Plekanec. I love Pleks but if he couldn’t be signed he should’ve been traded – we could’ve got something VERY good back as a rental.
2. There’s good reason to think he’s STILL backing the wrong horse with Price – and people are tired of that song. Even Red Fisher has called out this one. This idea that Price is somehow a “thoroughbred” and Halak a “small goalie” is nutso.
3. He also let Boucher go – which to me, if he’s going to take “the road less travelled”, THAT would have been the time to do it. Obviously Gauthier is not afraid of contraversy… at least when it tows the party line (Price is untouchable). But REAL bravery would’ve been to tell Martin “we’re making room for Boucher and we’ll find you a new role”. Taht would have been tough, but I would have MUCH more confidence in that gamble than the one he just tooks.
You asked. That’s my view. I don’t judge the guy too harshly becaue it’s early days, and he could be more right than I think. But so far to me it’s “same shit, different GM”.
Never had a problem with the Selanne trade. He got injured and never really returned to form until he was re-aquired by Ducks.
The denial and the actual trade are over a year apart. I think that means he didn’t trade him the year he said he wouldn’t.
Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.
8 games under .500 with him in the regular season and a record of 5-7 without him in the playoffs with only Subban and Spacek able to get the puck out of our end.
We are below .500 in the regular season w/o him. We certainly could have used him against Philly. He is our best player hands down.
88 points is fine? I’d hate to see what your idea of a bad season is.
He was boarded by Grabovski last year, it was a total freak accident with Price’s skate and he fell the wrong way when Cooke hit him. If Grabovski wasn’t a petutant child one year, he’d not collided with Price and had his full skating ability all year, he might’ve had the mobility to avoid the Cooke hit entirely. This conversation wouldn’t exist at all.
Keeping Markov around gives us a strong, stabilizing force on the back end and gives P.K. Subban a great mentor to teach him the art of the skating defencemen in the NHL. Too often has this team relied on just Markov, shifting that over to P.K. is just irresponsible.
yes but why settle for fine when you can be GREAT!
Long in the tooth? 31 is long in the tooth? My god people on this site say the craziest crap. How long are Pronger’s teeth then? Can he itch his toes with them?
Without him, at the Olympic break, we were 8 games under .500.
That’s with 20 games remaining.
Consider where we are at the end of the season if he’s not in the lineup for the whole year.
And then start debating if we’d rather have Brandon Gormley or Cam Fowler.
Because we’d be picking at #3 or #4 overall in this draft.
He, not the man who was just traded, saved our season. In my not so modest opinion.
Markov and not Halak saved the season? Wow dude…..lol
LOL..Easy there guys..I didn’t say deal the guy..Lord..
Just think that there is always a move that can improve the team..Losing Markov would hurt, but what good is he if he is in the press box? What good is he if he can’t get his career back on track because of his foot/ankle/knee injuries?
I just think he may be damaged goods and would like to extract any value they can if they were to deal him…I think that is a fair assessment, no?
Uh, look at the team’s winning percentage with and without Markov. Look at HALAK’s winning percentage with and without Markov.
The team wins with Markov and the team loses without him, regardless of what goalie is in the net.
That is a fact, and it’s undeniable. Unless of course you’re a tanking lobbyist who knows no other way to build a successful organization.
Players by a large majority come back in better health after an acl tear than they were prior to even suffering the injury. Considering Markov’s impact post-injuries, he hasn’t lost the ability to be elite. That does make the suggestion of trading him unfair.
Now, if you were to argue that trading him is a viable option if he’s unwilling to sign an extension, that is fair. And the only scenario in which he should be traded.
I guess this year’s playoff run was a statistical aberration?
So until Markov returns Price has a get out of jail free card?
Nice to know, we should make sure the Bell denizens realize that booing is not allowed until the prodigal son returns.
They won 1 playoff round with him, 1 without him and lost 1 without him. Hardly conclusive that we don’t need Markov to win especially since he played the whole WSH series.
You do realize of course that our record without Markov in the playoffs was 5-7?
You do understand that Price’s record in the playoffs while Markov’s in the lineup is 5-7?
And Halak’s record with Markov in the lineup for the playoffs was 4-5?
Without, Price is 0-4.
Without, Halak is 4-7.
Doesn’t look like the goaltender makes the difference that people seem to think.
“We really do pick and choose what to believe here instead of actually
looking at the whole picture. With any kind of realism or objectivity…”
If you want objectivity you could just look at the numbers, the save percentage, the win record… where Halak BTWis the superior goalie hands down. Which is more important, where a goalie was chosen 5 years ago, or how he’s performed since? It’s a no-brainer, 30 out of 30 GM’s would say forget where he’s taken, what has he done?
I don’t think Red Fisher is carrying some weird bias when when he says that Gauthier shit the bed with this one, and neither am I. I like Price, I just worry about his mental game. And the mental game game is a huge part of goaltending – and why Halak is so damned good. And THAT’s looking at the whole picture. Not BS about ‘thoroughbreds’ and ‘physical gifts’. That’s the CRAP in this story.
True but this is not about Halak
Its about Carey Price Sucks in key games and at key moments and he has made no improvements in this area
Who cares when he was drafted? A great player remains a great player, just as a rose remains a rose by any other name.
Cases in point:
1980: Steve Larmer; Round 6, Pick 120 (1006 GP, 441 G, 571 A, 1012 P)
1982: Doug Gilmour; Round 7, Pick 134 (1474 GP, 450 G, 964 A, 1414 P)
1984: Luc Robitaille; Round 9, Pick 171 (1431 GP, 668 G, 726 A, 1395 P)
1987: Theoren Fleury; Round 8, Pick 166 (1084 GP, 455 G, 633 A, 1088 P)
1993: Pavol Demitra; Round 9, Pick 227 (750 GP, 281 G, 418 A, 699 P)
1998: Pavel Datsyuk;
Round 6, Pick 171 (445 GP, 139 G, 286 A, 425 P)
Zetterberg; Round 7, Pick 210 (355 GP, 152 G, 180 A, 332 P)
Lundqvist; Round 8, Pick 205 (195 GP, 104 W, 58 L, 17 SO)
Habs could have swallowed a 1 year arbitration deal for Halak. They did NOT need a long term deal this summer.
Then take your own advice……..
Price 24-12 .920 sv%
Halak 26-13 .924 sv%
A great player REMAINS a great player.
He is 22. And by the way, Halak showed no improvement until this season either.
God forbid anyone in the city shows any type of positivity or support for our players who go thru a bad patch. We jump so quickly on a guy who has a slump, we want him shipped off immediately. Even if he can score 25 goals a season. I cant tell you how many people told me Latendresse would never be a top 6 player and could never do any better than 20 lucky goals a season.
Then what? Doesnt Halak DESERVE a long contract after his performance? We just couldnt offer it to him. I mean its like if WE think something then can be done….
LMAO….. You are posting stuff that Larry Brooks writes? Ask the head coach of the Rangers what he thinks of Brooks.
Halak showed no improvement until this season either??!!!??
Seriously…do you even watch the games?
Halak has shown improvement every season. Despite that FACT he was held back so the great 5th overall pick Price could be handed undeserved chance after undeserved chance to shine (and Price failed every time).
We finally decide we can’t risk the Price experiment anymore, and go with Halak, and what happened? ECF, and a legend was born.
And many more…
Do I need to remind you of Price’s record THIS season?
Yes, ABSOLUTELY. You need to look at it from a different view. I know its impossible to look beyond our blinders….BUT, if Price become close to as good as we think he will, then how does it look for PG to have dumped him? He would never be offered a job in hockey again. However, if both goalies do as well as we think, then he made the right move as he sold high and kept low.
Im not sure if you are aware of this, but goalies tend to take a while to become great. A good goalie at 22 will have 15 plus years left in him…
By the way….Price was drafted 5 years ago and Halak was drafted 7 years ago… Not 3 years.
I counter the people who actually saw him in practices & in the locker room (something NONE of us saw because Jaro was running the show)
It is clearly as unfair to judge Price in his limited playing time as it was to judge Jaro in HIS limited playing time while backing Price/Huet.
However back to my initial thought, the people who KNOW the players much more intimately then WE do, felt the bigger gamble was in keeping Jaro.
Why ? Because signing Jaro, almost assuredly meant NOT improving the team, but rather weakening it. The Habs could NOT afford Jaro AND Plekanec/whoever replaces him.
And ultimately, Phildalphia proved to us 2 things.
1) 2 years ago they owned Price. (granted with a different team in front of Price)
2) They also owned Jaro this year. (with a much more cohesive team playing in front of him, as proven by the victories against the Caps & the Penguins).
One thing that bothers me though, and I quite honestly do not mean this as a slight to Jaro. Is the fans who lead it to believe that Jaroslav carried this team through 2 rounds. Sorry, if not for Cammalleri’s goal scoring, we would have lost. Remove ALL the goals scored by Cammalleri in the playoffs, and this is not even a debate anymore.
The TEAM gelled, and I firmly believe what they learned, Price learned as well. And the team CAN succeed next year, based on the foundations that the TEAM built in the last few months of this season & playoffs.
Just my opinion, but are valid counterpoint to many doomsayer opinions.
the “long contract” could have waited 1 more year – he was still a “restricted” free agent.
even if he would have gone to arbitration and won a 5 million deal, it would have been for 1 year only.
Im sorry, but to me 10-6 , 18-14, 26-13 shows only improvement in the last season… 2.89, 2.87, 2.40 GAA also only shows improvement in the final season.
No offense but your the only one who made up this Price experiment. As for a legend… I will decide AFTER a player has only 100 games under his belt. I though Steve Penney (didnt even play 100 games in the NHL) was the best EVER….Then again I was 8.
I forgot your a HHOF coach. ROFLMAO
Joey, we will disagree until the cows com home on this one, and I don’t feel like arguing. I hope the weather is nice in Montreal today. Seriously, all of you should be outside. It’s night for me, so I have an excuse
And, BTW…time to pull out your calculator. Including playoffs, Jaro is over 100 games.
OK i got my calculator, and you get your glasses. I said i will wait until he has more than only 100 games under his belt. This doesnt imply he would have won me over by 101… I would like to see a few more seasons till i consider him a LEGEND….
He did play about as well as any goalie could possibly play through the first two rounds and was a big factor in the Habs making it to the ECF.
Conversely, he was sub-par in in the Philly series.
I agree with your point about improving the team. I actually hope that Eller is able to replace Pleks and we could get a physical goalscorer with the salary saved.
Maybe you need the glasses, Joey, because, as you will see if you look up a little, your original post indeed does not say “more than”.
Quote: “As for a legend… I will decide AFTER a player has only 100 games under
I think the biggest issue about the trade is how the veteran players will react???
They saw what was going on from the ice level, the dressing room, on the road trips, etc.
If you guys have ever played sports, the team gets a great feeling of “BONDING” when it starts to win.
Going through game 5,6,7 extraordinary victories vs Washington, a team that was supposed to destroy the Habs, a team that was supposed to challenge for the cup.
Shutting down Ovechkin, shaking his hand after Game 7 and flying back to Montreal sky high.
How were the veterans feeling about Halak after those victories?
Proud, supportive, respectful, amazed??
Then we went ahead and did the same thing – Game 7 – vs Crosby and Malkin
as though Washington was not enough.
If I’m Gill, or Gionta, or Gomez, I’m asking myself what kind of organisation is this?
We came over here as veterans to win.
We found a winning formula – team work + clutch goaltending = victories.
If I’m a veteran on this team I’m very confused this summer about the potential of this team going forward.
When a business finds a winning formula and exceeds expectations, it is quite stupid actually to make any dramatic changes.
Forget about hockey for a moment – people are claiming this was a “business decision”.
Well I;ve been in business for more than 25 years, and the first and most important lesson in business is
IF YOU FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS, STAY WITH IT.
It is possible that the Habs will find their way next year without Halak.
It is possible that Price will emerge as one of the best goalies in the league.
But that was NOT the formula we had this year, and this year’s playoff success was off the charts.
People have written – “don’t put too much into winning 2 playoff series. we didn’t even make the finals”.
But it appeared to most of us that THIS TEAM, THIS FORMULA, was working, and we were only a few pieces away.
Now, we start over with Price- and we all hope he can bring us all the way back to where we were.
How did Mike Cammalleri feel about being dealt for a pick after putting up 93G, 112A for the LA Kings with 79 of those goals and 103 assists coming in his final 3 seasons for at the team when he missed 20 games in his final season no less. All this while the Kings weren’t making the playoffs? He then would put on a scoring campaign in CGY, providing their only potent source of offence not named Jarome Iginla with 39G, 43A and how do they thank him for that? Ignored so they can sign the overrated Jay Bouwmeester and keep well-regarded pain in the ass Olli Jokinen.
Cammalleri is a professional and he gets it, he’s gotten ‘thanks for the help, but you’re not our guy’ twice already at 28. Hal Gill got lowballed on contracts after giving PIT their ace shutdown man for two straight seasons and helped them win a Cup in 2009. Dominic Moore and Glen Metropolit practically live out of a suitcase as NHLers as they do one dirty job after another for various teams. Roman Hamrlik’s on his 5th NHL team and I’m sure he gave a few of those teams a valuable veteran defender they just cast aside. A lot of guys who never touched the NHL were drafted while Josh Gorges was not, he’s playing today and they’re not, I don’t think he harbors a grudge against MTL or his original signing team San Jose that they spent their picks on other names in the 8th round of the draft.
I think the pros on the team know they rode incredible goaltending, but they need more guys up front who can score goals reliably so the team doesn’t have to fall back on a goalie playing at a legendary level so they can squeak out wins. Lars Eller is scouted as being a hardworking player who brings a two-way game to the ice and will likely fit in with the core assembled. If the team is built to score an extra GPG, all-world goaltending stops being a necessity.
We promoted a back up goalie to a number 1 goalie
God help us all
Habs are leading 1-0
Who would you rather see defending a breakaway…Price “can’t make a key save” Price or Halak?
If you said Price than you have not watched his performance for the last 3 years
Fans will boo him as he gets pulled out of position by the opposing teams forwards, exposing empty net after empty net to the trailing forward.
We had a back up goalie…his name Carey Price
Who would you rather see defending a breakaway…Price “can’t make a key save” Price or Halak.
That is easy: Price any day.
“We promoted a back up goalie to a number 1 goalie
God help us
OK dude you must have some short term memory loss.
But not too long ago, this happened with the Habs.
Carey Price was the #1, and the Habs promoted their back up goalie to #1 (Halak).
When you post foolish comments, perhaps think before you type. You kinda kill your message when it sounds stupid.
Carey Price who won 40 of his first 65 regular starts in the NHL and the first playoff series he ever played at 20 years old? Yeah, he really sucked when he first arrived.
Halak was terrible on many breakaways all year long, he was brilliant in shootouts but confusingly terrible at the breakaway stops many times over.
On a breakaway? I’d rather have Price every time. In fact there were times this year when that happened and Halak had been playing well. Then he’s facing a breakaway and I’d think “Oh no, he’s playing well, but I wish I could put in Price for the next 5 seconds”.
This just in
He was joking.
Alexander Semin the hot-shot new freelance journalist, fresh off the streets of Moscow and he’s writing checks his body can’t cash. Time to cool him down Iceman.
Larry Brooks?? You’re reading Larry Brooks?
Now we know where all your misguided information comes from….
Markov is the Habs best player, Halak is not even close. It’s not debatable.
I find it funny you decide not to agree that Markov’s the MVP but are in favour of tanking and subsequently in favour of trading him.
All options may be open, and a team may blow Gauthier away with an offer for Markov(although it’s highly unlikely considering his injury). But if we trade Markov, YOU GET YOUR WISH FOR A TANK.
Andrei Markov is more valuable to this team than any player has been over the last 15 years.
Just because the Capitals can get a great return for Ovechkin doesn’t mean they’re listening to offers for him.
Halak was the team’s MVP for one playoff run and the 09-10 season.
Markov has been the MVP since the lockout basically and if he is on the trading block we can do better than a guy who is barely 2nd-line on his best day and a 4th-line plugger. If he brings in a top defencemen close to his level to replace in a trade fine or a blue-chipper who can join Subban as part of a younger D-core, but Staal and Dupuis? That is laughable.
I’m with you, HH..I know I didn’t post somehting that is popular and doesn’t sit well with other Habbers, but I stand by it..
31 is getting up there, IMO..Not old, but a little long in the tooth in hockey years..Especially when your trade value plummets because you can’t stay on the ice because of injuries..
I didn’t say I wanted him traded, BTW..lol
Just think that option should be left open…….
That is what I am trying to get at, SF, but I guess I will get put to the stake for suggesting such terrible notions..lol
Nik Lidstrom is 40-plays rather well doesn;t he.
With Halak and without Markov basically the whole Pens and the Caps series the Habs managed to win. Replace Halak with a healthy Markov and would the outcome be the same?
I for one doubt it. Halak was the difference, maybe Bobby Orr in his prime could change the outcome of two series where the opposition is definitely superior. But Markov?
ps to end a comment with “it’s not debatable” indicates a weakness in your argument from the very start
I’d have a hard time getting over the Markov trade, especially since I just a Markov shirt, however if he brought in a real package, not a guy who along with Mark and Jared have been riding their brother’s coat tails into the NHL ranks I’d be able to live with it.
The issue we’re completely undervauling Andrei and overvaluing a guy who’s barely qualified for the 2nd line on his best day.
I don’t have the energy to write a book plus I would only be repeating myself and others from the last 3 days. Markov is a better player. Halak had a great run in the playoffs.
Markov was on the for the whole Caps series actually and did a lot of work, especially when had to lift that sad-sack MAB as an illusion of a first-pair defencemen for a few games. Markov can’t singlehandedly change the outcome, but with his first passes out of the zone, his superior defensive ability and PP expertise, he can be a difference maker in at least a couple of games in each playoff series.
Replace Hal Gill and Josh Georges with any other shut down D pairing and we would have lost vs. Wash.
What the hell are you talking about? Markov played the entire Caps series. And as for the Pens series, Halak wasn’t even the biggest factor in that series. Cammalleri was bigger than Halak in that series, and Subban was about tied with Halak.
Also what about all of those blocked shots?
Yea, well, Markov hasn’t played 1400+ games without a major injury, either and Lidstrom is known for his durability..
Funny I never ever heard a coach exclaim we got beat by a HOT DEFENSEMAN. Just saying.
Hockey is a team game but in the end I would take Roy over Orr.
Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.”
One unlucky season of injuries and you think he’s expendable.
Interesting comment. Makes one think doesn’t. Do you think that Habs would have one all of those Cups without Dryden?
LOL..Who is saying he is expendable? Besides, one season pretty much finished Komi’s career..He hasn’t been the same since that Lucic beat down a couple of years ago..
Sometimes, we have to let go of players we like for the betterment of the team..
*BTW, I noticed your name is Caper..I am originally from North Sydney..
No way! Born there but moved to Antigonish when I was 4. Roots are on the Island.
One of your more inspired counter points with an equal foot in reality.
I am talking about a HEALTHY Markov Andrew. Unless you think the Markov we witnessed since before the Olympic break when he had the injury is the normal Markov. The Markov I witnessed was but a shadow of himself in the Caps series.
Since you are the Markov expert and did not mention it I am probably incorrect.
Funny how the Halak lovers never talk about that.
I am too young to have had the pleasure of seeing those dynasty teams. But according to my dad Dryden was over rated and those teams were so loaded with HHF players, that a blind gorilla could have backstopped them.
ps my dad has never forgiven Dryden for that 3-3 tie against Red Army……ROFL
A lot of people think that way. He won two cups and left us for 2 years to go to law school. Came back and won 4 more Cups. All he did was win Cups.
Re: your cpmparsons to the Flyers losses. When Price lost to the Flyers, Montreal dominated Philly in every aspect of the game, but was simply out-goaltended.First place team, highest scoring team in the league. When Halak lost, Philly dominated the Habs in every aspect of the game, period. Eighth place team, very low scoring. Very different teams, very different series’.
So you’re saying that Martin Biron was the first Mike Leighton?
Read my post again – slowly – and you may understand.
There is no denying that Biron played great – but as good as he was, Price was proportionately bad.
A tribute to our new # 1 goaltender who sucks
sorry double post Price still sucks though
Who gets the puck out of our end to get it up ice to Malkin or a player his caliber?
We immediately become a lottery pick team. I really hope that prediction doesn’t get tested.
YES Subban can do it, specially IF we have a Malkin… THAT IS MY POINT.
I fully agree, without either a Markov or a Malkin. Subban can’t save this team.
BUT with a Malkin, who can help support the rush.
Subban will be allowed to make the odd mistake…
Clearly the team dynamic changes as well, a Malkin makes this team a Offensive team, as opposed to a Neutral Zone Trap team.
Malkin, sure. I can accept that, but not Staal (unless we’re talking Eric). Defensemen of Markov’s talent level are extremely rare, far more rare than impact forwards, even LARGE impact centers. That’s why after the lockout players like Brian Campbell got massive pay days. That’s why an old Nik Lidstrom who can no longer single handedly carry the Red Wings is still making over 6 million next year.
If Markov isn’t willing to sign an extension I would listen to offers, but I wouldn’t actively shop him. No way in hell.
This team doesn’t make the playoffs last season, with or without Halak’s play if Markov doesn’t come back to the lineup.
I wouldn’t be happy with Eric Stall coming back unless they sweetened the deal.
His cap hit and contract length is dreamy though.
Playoffs don’t mean much if you can’t get there without him Bugs.
The team needs to either extend him or learn to win without him. If the latter, they need to trade him as soon as they can get great value for him.
So you think adding a TRUE #1 Center (IE as I’ve used in a example – Malkin) this team with what it possesses, can not make the playoffs.
Sorry Tom. Even with the uncertainty of what PG will do in the next 2-3 weeks. Most will agree you are wrong on that point.
The Habs have needed a BIG #1 Center for a while, a Malkin > Markov. Sorry it’s the truth.
ONLY because we DO have a replacement, who CAN handle the load.
What we DO NOT have – is a BIG #1 Centerman…
IE we have 2 Puck moving D-men, and ZERO BIG Centermen who can score.
If Pittsburgh calls asking about Markov, I hope PG replies: Starting point it Crosby (ugh I said it) or Malkin.
I agree, but that’s the dividing line, his willingness to sign an extension.
People are suggesting that we shop him merely to see what we can get. To me, that’s braindead.
Your point is paramount. This team hasn’t yet figured out how to win without him, hopefully Subban can help in that regard, but it’s a big indication of his value to the team and that it hasn’t been matched by any player, including the goaltender who was traded last week.
Umm..We beat out the defending SC champs without him..We can win without him..
I have no problem going on record saying that we don’t make the playoffs without Markov regardless of who we add up front.
One big centreman doesn’t replace the puck moving ability and defensive ability that Markov has.
If it’s a package, maybe, but no team is going to give us a package like Malkin & Letang or Keith and Sharp or Doughty and Kopitar, that’s just out of this World.
We can’t get fair value and a replacement for Markov.
You sorta contradicted/answered yourself.
This team hasn’t yet figured out how to win without him
Uhm – Markov played in half one game 1 V. Pittsburgh.
Didn’t the Habs beat Pittsburgh with the help of said rookie you are spitting on for being a rookie ?
Umm….you do realize that us beating them had everything to do with their lack of depth and defensive play. Oh, and the fact that their goaltender couldn’t stop a beachball in game 7.
How did we do without Markov against Philadelphia?
How did we do without Markov in the regular season?
How did we do without him against Boston in the playoffs last season?
How? According to many on this website, we traded our best player. Then we would be w/o our 2nd best player. Screwed then.
Hey Bill, relax. You won’t find a bigger Subban fan than the guy you’re talking to.
He doesn’t have Markov’s defensive ability and it seems like your pigeon holing Markov into being a puck moving defenseman when that is only one part of his game.
Pittsburgh had nothing other than Crosby and Gonchar for that series. And it showed. They lost that series much more than we won it. Not taking anything away from guys like Gill, Gorges, Halak, Cammalleri and Pleks. But there’s no way that team should self-destruct, they did, and that’s on Ray Shero for not providing the supporting cast that their stars need.
Or a goalie, or scorers for that matter.
But THEY showed up in the playoffs.
Tom, no insult intended. But your reminding me of Tony242
You keep saying we do not have a replacement, we DO have a replacement, and he already is a CH.
If you honestly think Markov is worth more then a Crosby or Malkin, your blinders are on & your wearing sunglasses after having been spray painted in the eye sockets.
Sorry dude. Your wrong.
Markov < Malkin or Crosby. Any day of the week.
Your suggesting that Markov should get the Hart trophy every year – the guy has NEVER even won the Norris. You talk about getting real, it is you who needs a reality pill on this topic.
As I said earlier, if Pittsburgh calls – the starting point is Crosby or Malkin, nothing less.
But I can not see them sending more along with that, not without US adding more ourselves.
You’re missing my point.
My point is that Markov, the way this team is built, is more valuable to it than a Malkin could be right now.
We have a much stronger need for a versatile, ALL WORLD, defenseman, than we do for a player who has size up front.
I’m not saying Markov’s better, I’m saying he would be more valuable to this team.
Toews is a great player, but I would argue that Keith is much more valuable to their success than he is.
See my point?
Tom – the Philadelphia series counter proves Markov’s worth.
WE GOT SHUT OUT in 3 of 5 games… WTF is Markov’s Defensive talent going to help ?
Those 3 SHUT OUTS painted a clear picture as to what the REAL issue for the Habs has been.
a BIG #1 Center, we’ve all known this to be true. for 15+ years now we’ve needed one.
IF we did not have Subban, I would be on your side, but again – IF PITTSBURGH CALLS – I am not hanging up on them so quickly.
the guy tore his ACL,
tried to practice and get back and couldn’t.
give me a break, Markov is extremly important to the team, weather you would like to admit it or not Bugsy
I will agree to disagree.
I do see what you are trying to say though, so you did not waste time typing for nothing, I just do not agree.
Because the Habs would instantly be better then they where last season.
There are other factors, and like I said, those injuries he suffered.
WE WILL SEE IT IN HIS PLAY THIS SEASON.
If you’ve been in hockey as long as you say you have, you know this to be true. Markov is not 22-25 anymore.
Those 2 injuries where BAD ones! He will not be the same as before, and if anything NOW is the time to trade him, before his stock drops.
Except in the playoffs. Where he becomes totally inefficient and invisible, not to say…”careful”.
And this ACL business, you can sell that to the tourists, unless you’re implying he tears his ACL every time the playoffs roll around.
He doesn’t have Markov’s defensive ability
Really ? Wanna Ask Sydney Crosby & Evgeni Malkin about that ?
who was it that was paired to the BIG 2 from PIT throughout that series ?
How well did those 2 do ?
Like I said I will agree to disagree with you, but you are pigeon holing Subban yourself.
you being the doctor and professional hockey player that you are must know all about torn ACL’s right?
becomes inefficient and invisible? lol oook
i guess that explains the coach playing him 25 minutes and more a night, because he is inefficient and invisble.
let me guess bugsy, MAB should be the corner stone of the habs defence?
Disregarding the fact that you want it both ways, that is, him being injured, yet him being the best we have, I pursue:
No, it should be Markov as cornerstone of our defence. And I also woulda played him 25 minutes, if not more.
Just because he remains our best doesn’t mean he’s as good as he should be. During the regular season, we have seen with our own eyes him TAKE OVER games, yet never once has he shown that domination in the playoffs, far from it, in fact.
And though, I admit that THESE playoffs were his best by a clear mile with our club, the fact remains that when the chips are down and when it’s all on the line, Markov is nowhere to be found, either here or on Team Russia.
Do you dispute this?
Because this is what gets my goat, not others on the team being better. So please do not build strawman MAB arguments as my supposed point of view.
i am not building anything, just want to know who you would prefer playing 25 minutes a game.
the playoffs are a differnet thing Bugs, not the regular season.
not to mention Markov has setup very nice goals for the lieks of Cammy and Gionta to score, his main purpose is to keep the puck out of our net.
Injuries have been a concern with Markov that is true, but maybe if he had a reliable partner and didn’t have to worry about both sides of the ice he would be able to play a more steady game.
gotta disagree abuot the chips being down, he tried to play for Russia, clearly tried. Did his best, coach sat him out.
I highly doubt we beat PHI even with Markov in the line up..
Indeed, the playoffs are different. That’s the basis of the point I’m making. Some players elevate; others don’t or can’t.
Gorges is a playoff performer; Markov is not. Doesn’t mean Gorges is better than Markov; it just means that when the chips are down, you can rely on Gorges to elevate and not so much Markov.
His fault, my fault, your fault? I don’t care. Just play. And play good.
So if the reason Markov always turns invisible when the chips are down are due to injury (how convenient), well then, he’s fragile, and that doesn’t help us either.
I’m not saying “Trade Markov”, because I know he’s our best player; I’m just saying the notion can be entertained, especially if a 1st line centre could come the other way.
when I said the playoffs are different I meant you wern’t going to see Markov rushing up the ice as much, or pinching as much which we are all used to seeing.
He stays back more and concentrates on defense.
and are you implying he fakes his injuries with the little snide “how convenient” line there?
but if answer me this, if he invsible and usless and heartless and yada yada
why is he played 25+ minutes by his coach, ont he first PP wave, first defensive pairing going up against the best players?
i guess JM/Carbo just doesn’t (didn’t) see it the same as you.
Now that’s hilarious.
Actually, you both have a very valid point. That is a tough one. We are talking Markov for Malkin right? You know that’s never going to happen right? If the opportunity did present itself I’m not sure what I’d do. In the end, I’d prolly pull the trigger reluctantly.
Ultimately that was my point.
IF Pittsburgh calls, & asks for Markov ?
I reply: Crosby or Malkin must be included. Otherwise Ciao.
Hmm, that’s funny, you see OTHER num1 defensemen who elevate do that AND concentrate on defence. And of course, by “concentration” you mean it’s all part of the plan that Markov suddenly doesn’t want to go into the corners anymore? I see.
The “convenient” line was attached to his injury afore these playoffs having hindered his play. Well, what about LAST playoffs? Or the ones before? Always injured this guy and that’s why he doesn’t elevate when the chips are down? How convenient. For your argument, not for him.
I never said he was useless. He’s very USEFUL in fact. Most useful guy on the team. That’s why he’s used 25mins+.
But when the chips are down, INEFFICIENT and invisible. As Andrei Markov.
As a Josh Gorges, Markov is just fine.
Lemme put it to you another way: in regular season, who would you prefer? Markov or Pronger? Put me down for Markov.
When the chips are down, who do you want, Markov or Pronger? Put me down for Pronger.
all excellent points as usual.
And Priceberg slithers in after his disappearing act in the playoffs. What did you think of the show Halak put on?
And we ALL know that the better goalie left, BTW – even you know that. You just won’t admit it.
Let’s look who is better in 3 years.
To carolina: Markov, Ak, Sk, and a 2nd rounder
To Montreal: Eric Staal, Zach Boychuk.
I can’t see Carolina ever letting Staal go.
Shoot me if that deal happens, those are my thoughts.
If you replace Boychuk with Brandon Sutter, then we can talk. Only if Markov isn’t willing to re-sign here.
i wouldn’t do it. losing markov makes our dcorps a lot weaker than it already is….we have a mediocre d-corps and it’s nothing compared to chicago’s or pittsburgh’s
I love that deal. The problem I see is that I have a better chance of pitching a no hitter for the Expos.
Well this one makes more sense then the one for JStaal.
However, it is more probable that Pittsburgh calls asking for Markov depending on Gonchar of course.
Yeah, Carolina will trade their newly-appointed captain. Don’t think so.
Carey Price in the Playoffs
First goal against the leafs? I like him already.
I don’t think i would even entertain the notion of moving markov unless we were getting a blue chipper on the back end (with a left handed shot) as part of the deal. After subby,the quality of dmen propects in our system takes a huge nose dive.
I dunno about Mediocre. Gill-Gorges is a phenominal defensive pair, Subban is Subban, Spacek is pretty good offensively, albeit aged, Hamr is decent all around, also aged, and finally O’byre is fairly promising defensively. Keeping in mind Matt Carle and Yannick Weber, we aren’t too bad.
I know you love the guy (in a sports guy love sort of way of course, not the other way…not that there’s anything wrong with that) and I can’t say anything bad about Big Bird (and I mean really, who could, or would are to for that matter). However (but, nevertheless, yet, still, nonetheless) do you think maybe the health issue had anything to do with their not accepting him back in the fold at a high level? Stress, headaches, reason for leaving the Devils etc.
As for the not returning his calls, well, we don’t have much confirmation from the participants in this drama that this is what really happend, do we? Apart from an original media report. If we do then I withdraw this part of my statment, Your Honour. But the health issue still stands.
Say what fans will about Martin, but I like ‘em. And whether or not others do, you can’t change that, he is here for the next while. Got a contract to fulfill.
Hiring Big Bird, would have been awesome in theory, but how would that have affected Martin, the HEAD coach. Always being shadowed by one of the great Habs, this would be media frenzy…Could that have been something to do with not bringing him here at THIS moment?
Can’t think too much about how Gauthier might have done some homework before going after Eller when the Blues came knocking.
See, m’man Big Bird is listed as both my past and current fav Hab in my profile – I worship the ground this man walks on - and, sweet almatee Jeebus, I can’t believe how the Habs organization bent him over the barrel like that.
Well, ok, not exactly Larry, but Larry’s agent.
Who put a call in this week cause his client had a job offer from the Devils, “Yeah, Larry and Lou have had a meeting of the minds, whatcha got?”
And the call wasn’t immediately returned.
And notwithstanding there had been previous feel-it-out conversations – which require that calls be returned, by both sides – regarding finding m’man Larry a potential job with the Habs, primarily because Larry was interested in the Habs.
Heck, if Larry wants it, it’s his. Right?
Eff the organization. Eff everything. When it comes to the business of running a hockey club, it’s not business, it’s, uh, personal.
Number one meaningless story of the day. First giveaway that the story is meaningless: The contrived title. Second giveaway: The absence of any story.
Right up there with the Martin/Price/booboys gibberish.
Or, as Jack Todd would put it: Worst story since the Partrick Roy trade.
And, for the record, would LOVE to see Big Bird back in the fold.
Funny you say that, multiple people think that it’s the exact opposite, i.e. nobody on the Habs’ side would take that.
The problem with some folks is that they confuse Markov with Lidstrom.
Markov is arguably the most valuable imported defenseman in the world. Only Mike green is better offensively, and Markov is infinitely superior to Green defensively. Lidstrom is 40.
My point is Markov is a good defenseman, not a great one as
some make him out to be. If we had Eric Staal on a top line with Cammy and then
come back with Gomez and Gionta on the second line it changes the complexion of
the entire team. Figure in Lars Eller as a third line center and who knows. Subban
can step into Markov’s shoes immediately. That’s all I’m saying. Besides, it
seems to me the last 2-3 years Markov has been hurt in and around the playoffs.
Not saying that’s his fault either – just saying!
Dude…we get it, your mad at the Habs…but please, enough is enough. Lets just gear ourselves towards draft day and future moves.
But JD, the whole Denis Gauthier thing was a big misunderstanding! I have it from a VERY reliable source (e5) that the Canadiens DID call Gauthier back, but he didn’t pick up because he was too busy checking a homeless man from behind on St. Catharines who’d asked him for change!
There are probably a ton of reasons why the Habs and Larry didn’t come to a meeting of the minds before Lou and Larry did. We really don’t and never will know.
To portray the non-hiring as an act of disrespect or just plain stupidity – i.e., agent calls not returned, Larry wanted to be here, it’s Larry “Big Bird” Robinson – is hyperbole that ignores that there are probably a ton of reasons why the Habs and Larry couldn’t come to a meeting of the minds before Lou and Larry did.
Seems the “unreturned call” is becoming the conduit of choice to support this disrespect theme, as originated by Bertrand Raymond during his Denis Gauthier meltdown.
OK then…my above statment regarding the “Unreturned Calls” (UC) can be ignored as I agree.
Andrew, my understanding was that his cell phone was on “vibrate” and that he instinctively smashed it to pieces.
I completely agree, media scrutinize any story to have meaning.
Of course, my mistake.
Yeah and that one is tough, ’cause Malkin is most likely untouchable, Crosby is Crosby, and everybody else sucks, speaking relatively.
Anyone else having trouble replying to comments?
Nah, all my replies to you were automatically deleted by HIO. LMAO
Hahaha I’ve got a team of censor-enforcers preventing you from ever contradicting me!
I tried to reply to you down below but it kept saying “problem with validation” and after a couple tries it logged me out. I was worried I got suspended for a second.
I think Mr. Boone has you and I on notice Andrew. We have to be on our best behaviors.
I was strangely logged out as well.
LOL….I was joking dude Mr. Boone loves us for the traffic we bring. LMAO
All this friggin’ email crap gets taken out of context. Any considerations for having an HIO convention once a year or does that already exist? Wouldn’t that be something. Talk about interesting.
i think were going to like this kid for a long time
agreed, he may be the young hot shot the habs need. lots of patience in front of the net and his 1st nhl goal was scored while he was standing in front of the new leafs captain.
Good article, gives some perspective.
Very interesting article. Thanks a lot for linking this!
Excellent. Thanks as well.
Hey thats not fair – that article gave context and reason for the move – And why did HIO post anything positive about Eller – once again, unfair!
Its funny how people on here go nuts over trades, and then see a video with the players skills and start to think that the trade could work in our favor. This isnt a shot at anybody who posted below, its just kinda how it works around here,
If Halak was good, we wouldn’t have traded him..Sounds stupid, huh?
In the past few years and other than Subban, is there that much young talent on the team for you to say that the habs are good at evaluating it?
Did you know GM Doug Armstrong has more cup rings than Les Gros Bill?
Give it a rest, man..Halak had a great run, but we basically traded door#1 for door #2&3..
lol..He will probably be the 1st guy going out and buying an Eller jersey if he pots 30 goals in the next couple of years..
If you read the piece from St Louis, check out the reader’s comments … they are actually pissed that Eller got traded, and think the Habs got the better deal.
Oh, the grass is always greener, isn’t it?
I just think most Habbers are sad to see Jaro depart..He did have a great run, but we need help up front even more than a goalie..We have an abundance of tenders coming through the system, but are pretty thin in top line talent…
Eller gives us depth up front and a potential top line talent.. Like I said, Halak did have a great run, but is still an unknown as far as a bona fide #1 goalie is concernrd..He tends to tire because he is a smaller goalie that has to fight through traffic more so than a Price..
Philly pretty much showed us that..
i don’t blame them for being mad. Eller was their best forward prospect they had and felt he could already make an impact on the team next year.
Hockey’s Future wrote one of St. Louis’s troubles was their depth chart for forward prospects and they didn’t make it much easier by dealing Eller and Schultz and will need to look for forwards at this year’s draft with the move they just made.
St. Louis has a good prospect pool for D with Pietreangelo and Cole and with Halak they’ve got a No. 1 guy, but with Tkachuk retiring and Kariya likely departing, Eller could’ve been useful to fill a gap for them.
Good hands and he looks bigger than 6’1.
After this piece, one can get very excited about Eller for a few reasons. Time will tell though, but he seems very promising.
“Lars Eller is going to be a very good player in the National Hockey League. He’s got a great personality to go with his skill set. He’s a player, I think, fans are going to love to go and watch play in Montreal.”
No question Halak is going to be a GREAT goalie for the Blues, and I completely see why MTL brass made this move. He WILL cost more than Price, and to have Price step in to be #1. a TRUE fan really has to just ask themselves, is it really that bad to have Price be our #1? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Every bit of cap space helps, and we all know what Price is capable of.
The first playoff game my Dad and I saw at the Bell (and my Dad’s first Bell game), they won 5-0 vs BOS-Playoffs Game7-SO.
I also remember Dec. 4th. My wife and I went to that game, she was pregnant at the time (Naomi is now here…May 16th). The Habs won 5-1 vs BOS-Centennial Match.
Both times…it was Carey Price in nets for the two most memorable games for me (the jersey game in March sucked…my Dad and I still have fun at the Ye Ole Orchard after the game).
I am a HUGE fan of Halak, what he did while he played for the Habs was…awesome. A team player, that gave it his all every night. But this team lacks scoring and toughness, money HAS to be spent where it is needed.
Price and the TEAM are going to be fine. I had a good feeling about last season, and I have an even better one for next year…
You’re giving me positive feelings about the upcoming season RC!
Sigh, Dave, not you too.
Although I AM a huge Robinson fan, I’m saying is that there are probably a whole host of reasons Larry wasn’t offered a job and, moreover, that anyone ever-so-slyly suggesting he was being disrespected by the Habs organization is dumpin’ a load of spastic hogwash.
This is a non-story. Nothing happened.
I think I may have misread your statement, errored in my response then you misunderstood mine or something hahaha. I agree with you. There are reasons he wasn’t offered a job but those reasons have nothing to do with being disrespectful towards him. My point about the Unreturned Calls (UC) is that this is not a proven fat 9that I can see) only a media report yet to be confirmed by any of the participating individuals.
I hate it when we fight like this.
Having said that, I am endeavouring to not return any of your calls for the next several months and to tell Bert Raymond about it.
JD, we mustn’t go to bed angry now. I say we make nice, make up and I’ll make you blueberry pancakes in the morning. Nite-nite.
Now this is a truly awe inspiring conversation.
If by awe you mean shades of Midnight Express, then I hear you, bro.
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