Audio: Gauthier loads up on the blue line at NHL draft


Canadiens head coach Jacques Martin with draft pick Olivier Archambault, No. 108 overall, on the draft floor Saturday.
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The Canadiens’ haul from the the NHL Entry draft in St. Paul, MN: five defencemen and two forwards.

The Habs made defenceman Nathan Beaulieu their first pick of the draft on Friday night. Here’s some video of Beaulieu following his selection.

On Saturday, the Canadiens traded down with Winnipeg, giving the Jets their third-round pick (No. 78 overall) for two fourth-round Winnipeg selections (Nos. 97 and 108).

Here’s the roundup of what the Canadiens ultimately did over two days.

Audio: Pierre Gauthier in English | In French


  1. says:

    Here’s the bottom line and something Gauthier should be seriously thinking about- Philly, Boston, Washington and Pittsburgh are locks. That leaves NJ, Buffalo, Toronto, Tampa, Carolina and the Habs fighting for the final four spots. All these teams are going to be improved so PG better do something fast to improve the Habs, especially in the goal scoring department.

    L Train

  2. HalifaxHabs says:

    3 things I’d like to see the Habs get done this week before free agency starts:

    1) Get Gorges contract done. It will give us a better idea of what’s left in the kitty this year and next.

    2) Get Ryan White re-signed. Just because I love the kid.

    3) Finalize the Pouliot situation. Qulaify him or trade him, or both. I’d just like to know if we are giving him one more year or not.

    I know these things don’t HAVE to be done by Friday, I’d just like them to be done by then.

  3. huge_polar_bear says:

    Yawn… sure hope PG signs someone… anyone… That way we would get something new to debate…

    As our pal Garfield would say I hate Mondays.

  4. Timo says:

    Who needs forwards when you got Scott Gomez?

  5. CHsam says:

    Just watched some Youtube clips on Danny Kristo. First thing I noticed was stickhandling. Nice quality

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Any Chance Kristo pulls the same garbage on the Canadiens that Blake Wheeler pulled on Phoenix?

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I’m not sure if it’s garbage that a guy who never signed a contract and never received a dime from a team elects to go to another team in full compliance with the rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

        It sucks if you’re a Coyotes fan, but they weren’t able to sign him in four years. I don’t believe NHL teams should ‘own’ players is perpetuity. Wheeler played by the rules. It’s up to the Canadiens to sign Kristo and make him a member of the team.

        I never mind when a player gives himself options and improves his bargaining position. I remember John Elway did that by playing baseball, and it turned out well for him.

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Doubt it, I’m pretty sure Kristo is signing with MTL come the conclusion of the 11-12 NCAA season. Hopefully, so will his teammate, goaltender Aaron Dell as an undrafted free agent.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • Bugs says:

      You want stickhandling? Check out this hat-trick boy’s slick moves:
      He’s gonna be really special, this one!
      This 100-sec video has me totally convinced to clear out half our roster and give’m 1st-line duties because it has allowed me to formulate an informed opinion of him as a complete player.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  6. Sean Bonjovi says:

    If the Canadiens signed
    Pouliot, White, Tom Pyatt,
    Gorges, Weber, and
    Alex Auld, and
    Nobody gets traded and no player misses more than, say 10 games to injury is that team a lock to make the playoffs and do they have a shot at home ice in the first round.

    I think “yes” for the playoffs, but probably not home ice. That’s not good enough for me, but I fear it might be good enough for Pierre Gauthier.

    * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • HardHabits says:

      Habs have to win the division. It’s that simple.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        To win the Cup maybe, but do they have to win the division to satisfy Pierre Gauthier? I worry those are two different questions.

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • habs001 says:

        unless we greatly improve the scoring it makes no difference where we finish as long as we make the playoffs…whoever we play in the playoffs the series will go 6-7 games and several in o/t …we are a team that can beat any team in a series but just as easily we can be beaten…all of our games go basically down to who scores that last key goal or scores in o/t…bruins,wings,leafs, oilers the series would look pretty well the same in games played and goal closeness..unless we start scoring at a much higher rate…

  7. Talik Sanis says:

    As most probably know, it seems that Niclas Bergfors will not be qualified by the Panthers.

    As much as I hate to see Pouliot’s obvious talents wasted because he doesn’t have his head on quite straight and he needs to have his inner-ear problem fixed, it’s somehow heartening to see another talented player flop elsewhere. It soothes the pain of being forced to watch us loose another asset that at one time held so much promise.

    There was a time that I would have been very interested in the acquiring Bergfors. Two years ago, the idea that he would be let go by his team would have had me clamoring for us to go after him. Its just unfortunate that our team is already too small and unphysical for us to give him another shot. With a change of scenery and an escape from teams mired in a culture of loosing, he might get better.

    Of course, with the way the Islander’s organization is run, he and Pouliot will probably go there and become thirty goal scorers.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Islanders Organization: Horrific ownership, two highest-paid players on their team have played fewer games in the last five years for the organization than Tomas Plekanec did in the last two. Constantly rushing junior prospects up to fill in gaping holes in the ranks and doing whatever they can to scam the salary cap while they dine on NHL revenue-sharing for their ongoing incompetence over the last 20 years.

      Hitting one out of the park with picking up Michael Grabner and giving Matt Moulson NHL time with a #1 overall pick like Tavares does not a solid organization make.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Talik Sanis says:

        You’re right about the mess that is the New York Islanders, especially on the DiPietro issue, but I wasn’t really being serious about their ability to somehow magically turn around Pouliot and Bergfors in the first place.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I think Pouliot could easily score 30 goals even next season if he played for a coach that kept sending him out on the team’s top line no matter how many penalties he took, or how many times his line got scored on. He’d probably finish the season at -40, but he’d have 30 goals.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

    We’ve been complaining about Bettman and Campbell and the Bruins and the referees, and we all want to improve the game. Here is another proposal I have for saving the NHL from itself, more will come in the next few days.

    Let me know what you think, but be aware that some of these changes will be drastic, instead of tinkering with faceoff rules and the like.


    The speed of the game has grown to the point where the on-ice officials have trouble keeping up with the flow of the game. Also, the level of nastiness and cheap-shottery has grown to an intolerable level.

    Talented players like Daniel Sedin are being encouraged by hockey experts to commit infractions such as slashing and spearing to ‘stand up for themselves’. Other talented players like Brad Marchand are finding it advantageous to commit infractions, knowing they will not suffer any consequences, and thus cheapen the quality of their game.

    The on-ice referees too often miss serious infractions, due to the speed of the game or their vantage point. Sometimes they hesitate to call an infraction because they are not sure if what they observed was a well-deserved retaliation.

    By any analysis, the referees need help. Be it hereby resolved that:

    1) Linesmen can now whistle the play dead and call a penalty when they see an infraction.
    2) Another referee will be located in the press box or similar location, with access to the video feed. This referee will be able to review the play on video and determine if an infraction has been committed and a penalty is warranted. He can either whistle the play dead, by communicating with an on-ice official, or review a particular play during stoppages. He can also act as a resource to confer with on-ice officials who have called penalties.

    There will be many objections to this proposal, most by those who believe that hockey is fine as it is, the Don Cherrys and Mike Milburys of the world, but these changes are being made to propel hockey forward and make it the most spectacular spectator sport in the world. As such, these objections should not outweigh the benefit of showcasing the Ovechkins and the Crosbys.

    One objection will be that we’ve already made a change in that direction with the introduction of the second on-ice referee, and that there will now be too many refs who may contradict each other on calls. We might want to remove one of these referee from the ice, and it might serve to make the ice less crowded. The over-riding concern, however, would be to ensure that the officials get the vast majority of calls right, and liven the pace and flow of the game, and the officials would be encouraged to work together instead of protecting their turf.

    Another concern will be that it will slow down the game, with constant whistles and penalties being called. Also, the time spent on video review will also prolong the game. In fact, the game will speed up, because all the scrums and scuffles after the whistle will stop since there will now be repercussions to illegal acts. The tiresome pushing and crosschecking in front of the net once the play is dead will no longer occur. While there may be a slew of penalties called once this change is made, the players, coaches and GM’s would quickly adapt and this situation would resolve itself quickly, as we saw in 2005 with the crackdown on obstruction.

    An advantage of instituting video referees is that it will eliminate ‘diving’ immediately. While it can be difficult to call live, diving is painfully apparent in slow-mo, and the culprits will be caught every time. Furthermore, the need to dive will disappear, since the refs will be on top of the slashing and cross-checking and tripping and whatever else.

    At the dawn of the 20th century, it made sense to imbue the referee with an unquestioned authority to call penalties, as it was the only practical solution at the time. All other sports adopted this practice, but as times change sports must evolve. Rugby, for example, used to have only one referee on the pitch to control a violent game played by two teams of fifteen. Eventually, the touch judges were given the responsibility to bring grave fouls to the referee’s attention. This change was reasonable and allowed for a safer game for all players, since cheap shots out of the ref’s field of view were more likely to be called.

    Hockey is an even faster game, and the NHL has the technical capacity to institute video referees. To do so will improve the product and protect the players.

    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

    • TomNickle says:

      1. You’re jumping to a major assumption in thinking that the league thinks there’s a problem with the way games are being called.

      2. If a two referee system causes one of the referees to refrain from making calls out of fear that it might show the other one up, a third won’t help in that area.

      3. The speed of the game isn’t the issue. The linesmen are on the ice to take care of the puck, the referees are in place to take care of the players. The game isn’t too fast for them at all, they’re just more afraid of making the wrong call than they are of letting players get away with infractions.

      4. You could put 15 officials on the ice and it wouldn’t eliminate diving. Guys are going to embellish, it won’t stop, and it being called doesn’t stop it.

      You want to get rid of this stuff from the game?

      1. Any player who commits a roughing infraction during a stoppage of play is automatically assessed a ten minute misconduct.

      2. Any player who checks another player above the shoulders, whether it be accidental, incidental or with intent receives a 5 minute major penalty.

      3. The IIHF is contracted to handle supplementary discipline for the NHL.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I appreciate your comments Tom, thanks for weighing in

        1) I understand the League is unaware, unwilling and incapable. It is the proverbial frog in the pot of water slowly being brought to a boil. I am saving it from itself, and rescuing hockey as well.

        2) There has to be a clear philosophy implemented that there is zero tolerance. If you as a ref see an infraction, don’t look to the other and wonder why he didn’t call it. My new system would include an instruction manual, and lots of coaching and feedback for the officials. Earplugs are supplied to insulate them from the Ken Hitchcocks of the world.

        I’m not married to having two or three officials, just that they don’t miss calls and have an ability to review. I hate that right now, whether a penalty was called on the ice or not is such an important factor. As if everyone at home watching can’t see what happened. We have the technology, let’s use it.

        3) I agree to a great degree, let’s empower the refs to make calls whether the game is tied or late in the third or in OT.

        We do see lots of cheap shots behind the play, when the refs are skating up-ice with the break. The players know when everyone is following the puck. The eye in the sky solves that. Split-second decisions are also made without benefit of a tool that could easily be used.

        4) Diving would disappear with a video referee. Players dive now because it is sometimes effective in drawing a penalty, and seldom get called as a penalty. If it’s ineffective and gets penalized, players will stop diving.

        Another big reason it will disappear is because it won’t be necessary.

        I think it was Chara on one of the Sedins in the finals, after the whistle had gone, gave him a cross-check right in the ribs. No penalty called by the refs, even though Sedin is looking around wondering why it’s open season on him. A second later, Chara cross checks Sedin again, this time he flops, to demonstrate to the ref: “Hey, I’m getting cross-checked here, this is starting to hurt”. The Bruins howl that Sedin is diving, the Bostontators go nuts, Chara holds up his hands and shrugs: “I barely touched him!”

        In my system, Chara gets two for the first cross-check, and two for the second if he goes again. Sedin winces, is vindicated for not retaliating, and skates back to the bench with 4 minutes of power-play in the bank. He didn’t need to let himself fall down to mollify the officials. Stick on body is two minutes, end of story.

        As far as your proposals go:

        1) Love it, get rid of scrums after the whistle. Half the Bruins are now out of a job.

        2) I think that’s pretty close to my proposal #5 or #6, coming in the next few days. Love it.

        3) An independent body hired to police the league is very intriguing. I think there is too much conflict of interest when the League needs to decide if it should suspend Chara or Ovechkin.

        I also wonder when will the day come that a player sues the League for failing to provide him with a safe working environment. If cross-checking is against the rules, and attempt to injure is in the books, and a player loses teeth and is concussed, does that player decide to take the League to court? You have all these policies in your manuals that you’re failing to enforce. It could at the very least be very embarrassing for the League.

        And before someone says violence is an assumed risk, people used to think that about coal mining and other hazardous jobs, that you had to take it for granted that you could die. We’ve evolved as a society since the 1800’s, it’s not normal for someone to die or be grievously harmed at work. The NHL shouldn’t be any different.

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

  9. habs001 says:

    i believe if we sign an ufa it will be a fourth liner…the other ufas will go mostly to usa based teams and maybe the leafs….

    • TomNickle says:

      That’s some strong logic. Most guys follow the dollars regardless of where it’s being offered.

      • habs001 says:

        well if that is true than i dont think the habs organization will have the highest offer for the best free agents out there as they would be way overpaid …laitch,leino etc will get way too much from usa based teams…

  10. Critical-MASS says:


    …..You’ll never get to heaven if you’re scared of getting high…..

  11. HardHabits says:

    Do the Habs have a top line in the system? I am not talking top 6 forwards here, which is a nice way of saying good enough for the 2nd line. Why not say top 3 forward or 1st line forward?

    In the system is there a 1st line in development? DD and Pacioretty were part of a 1st line in Hamilton. I like DD, but he’s no power forward. Pacioretty has potential. Eller maybe. Apart from that not much else. I could be wrong. I hope I am.

    If Pouliot and Kostitsyn don’t pan out what then? Can Avtsin, Leblanc, or Kristo step in? What about another long shot Gallagher?

    As of yet I can’t see any real development for a top line in the Habs system at all. I am coming to believe that it’s not part of the plan.


    In the last two season’s we’ve seen two teams pull off what I would like to call a Virtual Tank™. Boston and Philadelphia have acquired top 10 picks at the draft following top 10 seasons in the standings. Boston did it after winning the Cup no less.


    They are talking about making 4 divisions; Pacific, Midwest, East and South. Leave it to the Bettman’s NHL to make 4 divisions and none of them is called North. It’s not like hockey is played in the North or anything. Maybe they think North means Canada.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Danny Kristo I think is the best possible projected 1st-line forward right now. One of the best skaters in the system easily and can stickhandle while going at full steam to create. Alexander Avtsin is a potential Top-6 if he brings all his tools together. I’d say Leblanc projects to 2nd line and Gallagher at present as well, I love the kid’s stones when it comes to going for the net but 1st-line is a big reach.

      I agree MTL has a dearth of high-end offensive talent in the system, which is why the 2012 draft for me has just increased in magnitude in importance, especially in retaining the team’s 2nd-round selection to get a second shot at a higher-end prospect. Just three players in thirty-two with forty goals or more at any level and Gallagher is the only player to repeat.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Boston got their high picks 2 years before they won the cup, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.

      In case you didn’t notice, both teams gave away excellent players to get those picks. Do you want to trade Price or PK, because they’re the ones who can bring in a lottery pick or 2.

      • TomNickle says:

        Are you saying that Kessel would have helped Boston more in their Cup run than Seguin did? Foolish Bastard!

          • TomNickle says:

            Well I don’t know how a three time consecutive thirty goal scorer would’ve helped them out more than a rookie lottery pick did.

            The misconception that Boston wanted to get rid of him is what I find hilarious these days. If they wanted rid of him, they wouldn’t have gotten two first round picks for him.

          • I don’t think it was as much them wanting to get rid of him as him wanting to leave. He hates Julien. Then again he doesn’t seem fond of Wilson. Not exactly a great locker room presence, but a damn good hockey player.

          • D Mex says:

            Boston got those picks from Burke, it means nothing. Burke is the same clown who traded up to ensure he got his prized first-round “hostile” talent.
            Contrary to the manner in which he sees himself (and would love to be seen), Brian Burke doesn’t know $#!& about hockey talent : images of Komisarek, the “Monster”, and Kessel sitting alone waiting to be picked last for the all-star game all come to mind.
            Burke is, however, just perfect for Toronto …

            ALWAYS Habs –
            D Mex

      • HardHabits says:

        If you want to play school yard semantics with me why not just stoop to a good old HIO ad hominem argument.

        Boston made a top 10 pick after finishing top 10. When they got it is not the point. How they got it is.

        Funny how you were saying Philadelphia got weaker where it is universally recognized that they got better, even if you include the insane Bryzgalov deal.

        Kind of like people saying Boston had no chance of winning the Cup. That would have been you too right AB?

        • If you would read what I actually say instead of trying to strawman everything like a 5 year old you wouldn’t waste your time trying to go back and forth with me.

          1) I said Philadelphia got weaker RIGHT NOW. Which they did, which is universally recognized by anyone with a brain. Whether they got stronger long term is up for debate but there’s a good chance after Couturier fell into their laps.

          2) As for Boston, I may have said they had no chance in winning, but it’s more likely I said they were overrated, which they were. They shot at a ridiculous rate the entire year, one that won’t be matched again. They were also outplayed in puck possesion in 3/4 of their series, yet won against the odds. So I have no problem with that statement. They’re the worst cup winning team that I can remember.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            If we still had the thumbs up system, you’d get one for referring to the strawman fallacy, and another for a great argument which I agree with.

          • HardHabits says:

            Fact. Boston finished top 10. Fact. Boston got a top 10 draft pick.

            I wont let facts get in the way of what you call a rant I’ll just let them support the premises of my argument.

            You replied to my post AB, quite presumptuously I might add, not the other way around. I replied. Then you moved into ad HIOminem territory again. Or did my 5 year old brain miss something?

            We’ll have to see how Philadelphia fairs. Most people think they made out like gang busters. Myself included.

            It’s still doesn’t solve the 1st line riddle.

            So rather than be a typical wishy washy Habs fan, why not man up a bit and recognize that our rivals are making very good moves, are building while they are stronger than us and maybe add to the conversation rather than play Internet Habs Police.

            The Habs aren’t your little brother. You don’t need to defend them from the big bad Internet trolls.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      As I mentioned in an earlier post, we have no real high end forward talent. This is one of the organizational weaknesses that hasn’t been addressed, and, until it is, we have an outside chance, at best, of winning the cup . Our depth on defense is solid and our prospects in that position are strong. Our Goaltending is franchise level (God forbid a career ending injury to Price, or we”ll be due for a proper rebuild of the team).

      There is one real first line player (developed or developing) in the organization: Cammalleri. However his size and a lack of proper insulation leaves him vulnerable. This means that his production is stifled and, as with the last two years, he misses games due to injuries. It then takes him time to get back on his game. It is no surprise that he had his best year in Calgary. He played with actual first line players and had the big body of Iginla to protect and make space for him.

      Plekanec is an excellent two way second line center on a team where Crosby, Datsuyk, Kesler or Sedin is the number one, but he is overpaid for his role to the tune of 500K-1M and plays on our first line.

      Gionta has first line goal-scoring but a size problem and bottom six playmaking ability (though this is exacerbated by playing alongside Gomez and Moen for most of the year).

      The obvious and oft-repeated assessment of Kostitsyn is that he could be a real first line player, if only he were consistent. He has shown game breaking ability before, but never for long periods of time. It becomes less likely every year that he will every find his game and become anything more than a #6.

      Nothing needs to be said of Gomez.

      Leblanc projects as a second line winger with some grit. Avtsin is a very raw longshot. Kristo has great speed, but is on the small side and to me projects as a second liner at best. Gallagher is a question mark; he might be another St Louis, but I see him as a second line player due to size, if he even makes the NHL. Pacioretty is another big question mark. There were flashes of his potentially being a first line player, but his injury leaves me wondering about how he will play upon his return.

      As for Eller, I wonder if his ceiling is a solid, two-way 40 point third line center. In my opinion he at the very least he lacks first line goal scoring ability. Even if he does become a second line player, he’ll be a bigger Plekanec; a supplementary player, not a game-breaker.

      It is a conundrum that is difficult to solve. While we can, and should, make our team better through free-agency, we are unlikely to bring in top end, true first line talent (certainly not this year) and can, at best, only seek to plug the power forward hole in our top six, waiting for the opportunity to try to drastically improve our team.

      The time for building through the draft is over, and we are left in an awkward position of neither being able to tank for talent nor bring in game breaking FA forwards over the next few years.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      we don’t want to rush our kids, it will set us back far more than suffering for another year or two now. our recent track record is not good.

      Eller should have been in Hamilton last year, Pouliot and before him The Tenderized One needed special ed they’ve not received (to my knowledge, of course I don’t know what went on behind closed doors). We’re spoiled historically by guys like Dryden and St. Patrick coming out of nowhere, but the reality is that’s not the norm.

      Read any Habs memoir, you’ll see we handled the young ones very carefully. Now? Not so much, but our future depends on us improving in this area.

  12. habaholic68NJ says:

    I would love to see Laich play on our first and Konopka on our 4th lines. Come on PG – make it happen.

    *Listen to my instrumental tribute entitled “Habs at War” at

  13. habsfansince91 says:

    With Muller’s imminent departure, who would you guys think would be a suitable replacement? I’m thinking Deboer might be a good choice since him and Martin already worked together in Florida.

    Edit: Nevermind about Deboer. I was under the impression that Martin and him worked together in Florida when they actually didn’t. That being said my choice would be Cunneyworth.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Cunneyworth would be my preference, he had an outstanding season coaching the Bulldogs after once again, they were plundered for talent and he had nobody like PK Subban to work the blue line for him but once again, he got the Bulldogs to within one win of the Calder Cup Finals.

      He seems very much like a Muller-type for behind the bench.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • D Mex says:

      What happened with Don Lever ?
      He was supposedly a ‘ can’t miss ‘ candidate for an NHL head coaching spot before BG brought him up from Hamilton the season Carbonneau got his pink slip.
      Haven’t heard a thing about him since.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      • habsfansince91 says:

        they fired him after they brought him up from Hamilton that same year

        • D Mex says:

          There are posts here about what Cunneyworth has been able to accomplish with the ‘ kids ‘ in Hamilton, I recall hearing exactly this about Lever.
          If memory serves, it was reported that BG brought him in to help mop up because he would have the inside track with those who had moved up to the big club. The only piece he was missing was the 2nd language, just like Cunneyworth and Muller.

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

          • CHsam says:

            Somebody on here speculated that Don Lever got canned because he was too forthcoming with his views or seomthing like that… so he got flushed out with the blow up. I don’t know if that’s the truth, but just thought I’d drag it back out here

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      We also need a coach for the defencemen. Bring in Larry if he’ll have us, or Guy Lapointe.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

  14. twocents says:

    K, if Dale Tallon ever gets a job again in the Chicago organization, it will prove without a doubt that the only reason he took the Florida job, was to act as a plant and rid the Hawks of his own massive Campbellish gaffe.

    He’s probably still on Chicago’s payroll for crying out load.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I think Campbell will get more minutes in Florida, he won’t be second fiddle to Keith and Seabrook. This might help him make the contract look a lot better.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

  15. Neutral says:

    Grabner, played on the 2nd with the islanders, guess you don’t follow hockey.

  16. Everlasting1 says:

    Anyone care to explain why they think Kirk Muller, with his credentials, isn’t primed/qualified to take on the role of head coach in this league?…….No one? Didn’t think so.

    ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • punkster says:

      Anyone care to list those credentials which make him qualified?

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Anyone care to do the search for you? Perhaps compare his creds to other coaches in this league?

        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • punkster says:

          Come on man, it’s over so get over it. Or will this become your Halak of the coming season?

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • HardHabits says:

            Oh that’s rich. A new HIO attack. That’s you’re new Halak.

            I guess size and grit is my new tank right?

            Let me guess. Not being funny is your new not being funny. 😛

          • punkster says:

            LOL…you’re right. As LL told me below I should stick to funk 🙂

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Everlasting1 says:

            What do I care? I enjoy watching ex-Habs prosper elsewhere.

            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  17. CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

    I briefly mentioned this earlier, but out of boredom, and i mean severe boredom, what do you guys think of pursuing Emery as a backup on a one or two-year deal?

    • TomNickle says:

      I would imagine that David Mulder likes his teeth. I don’t think that he’d like to see Emery knock them to the floor.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Been posting that suggestion fro weeks now. I like it! But if you recall Emery and JM history.. one or both parties may not want to work together again.

      But I would love it.

      • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

        True, i wasn’t considering the history, but Emery claims to have his priorities straight now after his career nearly ended, and the simple fact that he was able to come back, much less play well, kinda proves his point.

    • Bugs says:

      Pfffttthh! (spits out irish moka)
      (cough, hack, choke)
      I…I used to LOVE this planet, man! Now, I dunno nuthin no more…

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      No, he has the same injury that ended Bo Jackson’s career. Add to this the character issues, and it’s a simple no.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Living in LA I saw Emery play 3-4 times live last year and was very impressed. He played great behind a disorganized defence (skilled, but disorganized). He may well re-sign with Ducks because I don’t think Hiller is a sure thing to come back 100%.

      I am hearing NOTHING out here about Hiller which is not a good thing. It’s really a drag, he’s just a kid and was playing great for them.

      As for Emery, I think he will be a #1 somewhere, or #1 in waiting.

  18. 24 Cups says:

    The fact that you can’t reply after five posts is really starting to tick me off. This needs to change as it really curtails debate. (As an example, I know I’m right and Tom Nickle is wrong but how can I tell him that if this site only allows five posts:-)

    I’ve got to get ready to watch True Blood. Catch you people on the other side of tomorrow.

  19. Bugs says:

    There once was a GM quite merry.
    Players he pawned, dust from a fairy,
    He spinkled, he dashed;
    Formations, he gashed.
    All this in a den with a cherry.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

      Ur f*d up, dude…

      but check out my imaginary lineup below, more Frenchies. You may like it.

    • punkster says:

      You can tell when the summer blues hit us
      We fidget, we flummox and we all fuss
      Over kids from a draft
      Who’ve barely learned their true craft
      But we’ll cuss and discuss every damn plus.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • Bugs says:

        Syllable count wrong, meter totally off, no flow, yuck.
        Do better, please.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • punkster says:

          Hey, it’s summer. Once I get to through training camp and pre-season you’re gonna be astounded.

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • Bill says:

          In all fairness, your meter in the second line leaves a lot to be desired. Second line of a limerick shouldn’t start with a trochee (or a dactyl if that’s what you were going for). So ease up on Punkster, Ted Hughes.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • punkster says:

            See, now…this is what teamwork is all about; sticking up for each other, supporting your line mates, standing up for the cause. Just doin’ my thang,

            As James would say…Right on, Bill…right on, right on.

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • Bugs says:

            I was waiting for that comment, but no, see, it’s spot on.
            For the third verse pursues the enumeration goin on in the second.
            Sorry, Bill.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Trisomy 21 says:

            How the hell do you guys know this much about limericks?

      • LL says:

        P-ster you ain`t no Dr. Seuss…lol….stick to funk OK.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Not to mention the constant wheelin’ n’ dealin’ that has become the norm, suggesting few of these prospects will actually don a Habs’ uni other than on draft day.

        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  20. TomNickle says:

    Okay. Here’s my logic for acquiring a player to go with Plekanec and Cammalleri.

    Cammalleri, Plekanec, Gomez and Gionta can only score off of the rush by themselves. Gionta and Cammalleri occasionally chip in the odd garbage goal, but it’s rare in Cammalleri’s case.

    Our top six forward group need somebody to establish puck possession in the offensive zone. The thought being that a player who can buy time for Cammalleri and Plekanec to get time and space should be held in high regard because those players can’t and shouldn’t be expected to get puck possession in the corners or on the walls and keep it for a long enough time that their linemates can get open for scoring chances.

    Adding a Hemsky, Fleischmann or players from that mold doesn’t help Cammalleri and Plekanec improve their scoring. They are the focal points of our offense and need the proper complimentary player to maximize their capabilities.

    Players like Laich(haha), Kopecky, Cole and to a lesser extent, Leino, Langenbrunner, and Kobasew do the necessary work for Plekanec and Cammalleri to thrive.

    We don’t need a point per game player to go with those two, we need somebody who does the dirty work and can chip in some offense.

    If adding a 40 point player who does that work gets another 20 points out of Plekanec and Cammalleri each, we’re looking at a very good first line.

    Think I’m wrong. Crosby has Kunitz, Giroux has Hartnell, Sedin had Burrows, Vanek has Stafford, Kopitar has Brown, Ribeiro had Neal, Tavares has Okposo.

    Skilled players need somebody to do their dirty work. Otherwise the result is a line that can only score on the powerplay or off of the rush.

    • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

      you mean… ANDREW LADD ?!?!?! lol jk with ya

      • TomNickle says:

        I would love Ladd. But not for a dime over $4 million a year and certainly not by giving up multiple draft picks as compensation. If a sensible deal could be worked out with Winnipeg I would be all for it. But I don’t think he’s worth the Kings ransom that you do.

        • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

          As much as I’d like it, yeah it probably will not happen. Alternatively, I wouldn’t want to settle on someone second rate for more than a year. I think they should seriously look at (in this order of preference) Laich, Jagr and Gagne. If you were to get Jagr for 2 or 3 I think you could get away with upgrading the third and fourth lines with Belanger, who will be dirt cheap while adding size, and Dupuis in place of Pyatt, Halpern, etc. Consider…

          Jagr Plekanec Cammalleri
          Pacioretty Gomez Gionta
          Kostitsyn Eller Desharnais
          Dupuis Belanger White with Moen alternating. This lineup isn’t any meaner, but it is bigger

          • TomNickle says:

            Jagr isn’t about to do the dirty to which I was referring, so I would take a pass. He’s hard to move off of the puck but won’t make life easier on Plekanec and Cammalleri.

          • emann_222 says:

            I hope beyond all hope that we don’t touch Jagr. He’s a skilled player, but way to far on in years, and his ice time would have to be very limited.

            I still say that Laich would be the best option, but I’m not going to count out Lieno. We could potentially get him for a song, and his numbers are almost identical to Laich. Actually – they were better than Laich’s last season (19G 34A +14).

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          • CanadienFanTrappedinNiagaraFallsNY says:

            He may not battle but he is like you said hard to get off the puck and is a great set-up guy in addition to goal scorer. I would honestly love to see what would happen with him roaming with the puck deep inside with Cammalleri planting himself in the slot and Plekanec doing whatever the hell it is he seems to do so well.

            I would rather have Laich over Jagr because he has a future, but Leino is unproven.

          • TomNickle says:

            Ask the Habs if Leino is unproven. He almost eliminated them by himself two years ago.

            There were three games of that series where Montreal outplayed Philadelphia in just about every aspect and Leino put the Flyers on his shoulders and carried them to victories. Him, Briere, Pronger and Leighton were the only players who pushed the Flyers over top of Montreal two years ago.

    • HabFab says:

      Good points and with this year’s UFA crop maybe our only option.

    • emann_222 says:

      Couldn’t have said it better myself. I too think Laich would be a great acquisition. He has the size and attrributes you talk about. I know you put Lieno as a latter thought – but the more I think about him – the more I think he might be more viable to acquire, and for the right money.

      As far as your reasoning goes – it’s bang on as far as I’m concerned. Cammalleri, and Plekanec have great bursts of speed (how many times have we watched Pleks force the turnover and hit light speed?), and should never be expected to constantly cycle the puck down low waiting for an open man. That job belongs to the likes of players with size like Kostitsyn – and I don’t have faith in his top 6 ability.

      So if we continue to expect the grunt work to be done by the faster, smaller, skilled players – we’ll end up in the same old place.

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    • patience is a virtue says:

      Agreed Tom.

      I think JM was trying this with Moen, and a couple times with Darche last year, but those guys just don’t have what it takes.

      PG has the $ to go for Laich and he should.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Essentially, then, your argument boils down to our needing a second power forward for the first line. Just as the Gomez and Gionta line was improved through the addition of Pacioretty, so too could our top line be improved through the addition of a player who could win puck battles, out muscle opposing players and open up space for our top playmaker and sniper.

      Your argument is elegant in its simplicity and logic, and it is one I agree with wholeheartedly.

      There are, however, two issues.

      The first is whether Gautier believes that Kostitsyn should remain on our top line in favor of a free agent of the type you describe. I tend to believe that the need for a top line power forward has been recognized by our management. Martin deployed Halpern with the first line numerous times at the end of the year and Moen or Darche with Gomez and Gionta. I wonder if this was simply for face-off and defensive purposes or if Martin realized the value of a matching a grinding player with skilled ones. Halpern was relatively small and Moen has no offensive abilities, but both could win puck battles, Moen brought Pacioretty’s size and physical abilities to a small line and Darche was willing to go hard to the net and had the strength to stay there (even if he lacked the speed and stamina to keep pace with Gomez and Gionta).

      If Martin recognizes the need for a player to free up space for Gomez and Gionta, and Plekanec and Cammalleri, I believe that Gautier does as well, and will make moves to acquire at least one player capable both of keeping pace with our top players (who’s collective greatest asset is speed, the core of our team) and making time and space for them through physical strength and play.

      The second issue is the player. Who should be brought in to fill the top line role? We lack the high end talent to be a strong contender, but the move to bring in a power forward could strengthen the team in the short and long term. We are not likely to win the cup this year, with our current forward lineup; even removing Gomez and, for argument’s sake, adding Cole and Laich, would not change that. However, adding needed assets does, at the very least, improve the team and opens up options.

      I believe that Cole would be a reasonable stop-gap measure, filling in on the top line for only a year or two as we wait for our prospects to develop, trades to open up (where we could move the assets we’ve acquired in free agency) and better free agents to become available. If he were willing to accept such a term, I could see him with Plekanec and Cammalleri. I am uncertain about his foot speed, however.

      I disagree with adding Leino. In my opinion, he does not bring the skill, weight or physical mentality needed on our top line, while costing too much for too long.

      Also, while Kopecky would be a welcome addition to the third line (say, with Desharnais and Kostitsyn until the return of Eller) he has not shown the consistent production to be a top line player. He is likely looking to cash in on an abnormal year of production, boosted by his being given far more power play time than ever before, and may fall back to his old levels of production. He is also not as ideally physical as I would like, despite his size, averaging less than a hit per game. He may not free up as much time and space as is needed.

      I also agree with your assessment of players like Hemsky and Fleischmann. Our top line would thrive with the addition of a man with skill as well as (sigh) size and grit, not another “soft” skilled player.

      • TomNickle says:

        If Kopecky hasn’t been given a top 6 role but took advantage of powerplay time and boosted his scoring numbers. Would it not stand to reason that given a top 6 role his scoring would increase?

        You have a major contradiction in your assessment of him.

    • habrez says:

      I agree with you. We need a guy on the wing who wins battles and has a little offensive upside, instead of resorting to Moen and Darche.

      Only problem is that Neal, Brown, Stafford, Burrows, Hartnell and Kunitz are all better than Laich, Kopecky, Cole, Leino, Langenbrunner and Kobasew. Or thats just how I see things

  21. Neutral says:

    Kopecky is a 3rd liner at best, we have enough of them now.

  22. CHsam says:

    Actually I like the idea of Scottie Upshall and Tomas Fleischmann…

    • TomNickle says:

      I think it depends on what you’re looking for. If you really want a player who can step into the first line and contribute from day one with Plekanec and Cammalleri and not have to worry about demoting him and playing musical chairs for the rest of the season in that spot, you have to look at one of Kopecky, Laich and maybe even Erik Cole.

      If you’re looking for a 3rd or 4th line guy. I wouldn’t be going with anyone who has a high profile heading into free agency. There are plenty of guys available to fill these roles where you don’t have to break the bank.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Tomas Kopecky
        Right Wing
        Born Feb 5 1982
        Height 6.03 — Weight 203
        GP: 338
        G: 37
        A: 58
        PTS: 95

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            😉 I’m not sayin’ anything, just sayin’

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • TomNickle says:

            His statistics aren’t overly impressive but he has never been given a chance to thrive in a top 6 role. In Chicago or Detroit. Maybe he hasn’t earned it. I just know that he seems to give consistent effort and brings the kind of game that I feel Plekanec and Cammalleri need in a complimentary player. And he certainly doesn’t lack skill.

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            Signing Kopecky isN’T the worst possible move IMO, but I don’t know if he’d be an offensive upgrade over Andrei Kostitsyn. If they were on the same team I’d play AK46 on the first line is all.

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

        • 24 Cups says:

          Kopecky isn’t a top six forward. There’s no way in hell he can play with Pleks and Cammy. Why throw decent coin over four years at a guy who is only here because there is nobody else?

          If it’s a weak free agent market, we need to find the strength to take a pass and wait for a better UFA pool.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Love that analysis. If JM has to play musical chairs in the upcoming season, as he did last season, then we are in trouble. But then JM, from past evidence, thinks the epitome of coaching is just that.. playing musical chairs with his line-up.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Isn’t Fleischmann a bit of a head case? I’ll ask my Caps fan buddy.

  23. emann_222 says:

    I have to say that I’m pretty happy with the draft as a whole. After reading through the names of the late round players that I’m not familliar with, I decided to dig deeper into who we got.

    Thanks to Tom Nickle for conversing with me as well and giving me some great thoughts and info on the new acquisitions.

    As much as I think Beaulieu was a great first rounder – I’m even more thrilled with Daniel Přibyl.

    To read my complete thoughts on how Montreal made out – please read ( ) “2011 NHL Entry Draft – How The Montreal Canadiens Faired”.

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  24. avatar_58 says:

    Why didn’t they assign Kirk to Hamilton and make Cunneyworth the assistant to martin? This move makes no sense to me.

    • TomNickle says:

      Because the move you’re suggesting does more harm than good. Muller is in a no win situation if he goes to Hamilton. Cunneyworth and Boucher have each taken that team to the Conference Finals in back to back years where their important players were plucked by the Habs. If Muller were to fall short of the Conference Finals or even a stellar season, it would be a black mark on his record as a coach and would do much more harm than good.

      Conversely, Cunneyworth just did one hell of a job with Hamilton and with more and more coaches being taken from the AHL ranks, why would he want to leave? He just took an injury riddled and talent starved team to the Conference Finals and nearly erased a 3-0 deficit to get to the Calder Cup finals. Why come up and be an assistant when another strong year would all but guarantee him a full time head coaching job in the NHL next off-season?

      The move you suggested would keep the coaches with this organization, but it wouldn’t be best for either Cunneyworth or Muller and could potentially have a poor impact on Hamilton and Montreal’s clubs.

      Sometimes letting a guy go is best for the organization if the alternative is screwing up two teams and coaches.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You have to look at a coach’s strengths and weaknesses. What are his organizational skills? How does he run a practice? How does he run the dressing room? What’s his leadership style, can he figure who to go easy on, who to crack the whip?

      We all love Muller, as a player and now as an assistant, everyone seems to be very positive on his performance, but it’s a different show being the head coach. Maybe we could have put him in charge in Hamilton, given him some help and he would have done great, but it’s not as easy as plugging him in and swapping Cunneyworth out.

      We had Boucher in our system and he walked when he got an offer, Kirk would have had to do the same when someone called him. Having him go somewhere else is not a catastrophe. If we need him down the line, we can poach him like Tampa did with Boucher.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

  25. hahaha home-boy frog hahahha LOL
    I love you, man <3

  26. Certain things I don’t like/ worry me going into the next season:
    – Our 4th line – We need something nasty. I like White. Another player like him would be good.
    – Our D after Markov, Subban, Gill, Gorges..I have yet to see how Yemelin is. Spacek, I have to admit now is nothing, but a burden on the cap space. Why did we even bother offering Hamrlik a contract? Why?! I’d take Hammer over Spacek anyday, but unless we get rid of Jaro, there’s no point to signing Roman. No! 3 dmen who are 37 year old, is not the key to playoff success. Gill is the only veteran d-man we need at the moment, besides Markov. Get rid of Spacek asap please.
    – Scott Gomez. Need I say more…please rebound Scotty please. At least a 60 point season…at least.
    – My weight. I eat too much while watching Habs games. Must. Control. Myself.

    • Spacek has a Limited NTC.. are you serious Mr. Gainey..
      Oh well, at least we’re not the Flames. Everyone on that team has NTC, they give those out like peanuts.

      • TomNickle says:

        Spacek was a prized ufa when he was signed to a contract here. He was Buffalo’s #1 defenseman, PP quarterback, Pk specialist. Management may have made a mistake with the term of the contract, in fact I think they did, but the money and the acquisition are easy to critique in hindsight.

        The facts are that Spacek was Buffalo’s best defenseman and they didn’t want to see him go. He had been a beast for them for a while.

  27. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Nathan Beaulieu !, …Olivier Archambeault ! …and My Absolute Fav Name for a future hopeful Hab, …JOSIAH DIDIER !!!
    …NOW We are sloooowly starting to ‘sound’ like what Our Habs SHOULD ‘sound’ like agin’ !
    …’cept for Olivier, the others are not (deleted) …BUT, at least, as far as ‘names’ go …soundin’ more appropriately ‘Hab-like’

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  28. Neutral says:

    Gomer is like country music he’s here to stay, no one wants gomer
    maybe if Habs kept paying his contract someone may take him.

  29. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …knowing Kirk’s ambition to be a head coach, and His need for Head Coach experience, …WHY ??? in the World couldn’t PG figure-out a way to switch Cunneyworth to The Habs as an Assistant, and give the Bulldog’s to Kirk
    …Kirk’s people-skills is great with the ‘kids’, KNOWS what Our Habs’ needs are for Their development, and exudes Les Canadiens’ Royal Jelly
    …whether Kirk winds up next year coaching another NHL team, or not …it would have provided PG with another season to confirm whether JM is Our longterm Coach, and keep Our Kirk in ‘The System’
    …for Cunneyworth, who also longs for an NHL coaching/assistant position, and has similar people-skills to Kirk’s, PG can evaluate his NHL creds more closely here
    …I’m not behind the scenes, but makes sense to Me to keep Kirk part of The Habs system as long as possible
    …if We think Cunneyworth did a good job preparing Our Kids, think what Kirk would produce on The Farm !
    …almost as important as the frustrating experience of watching some of Our Players with potential leaving for nothing or a-bag-of-beans, I get equally frustrated with all the great coaches and management that We let pass through here with obliviousness

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

  30. SeriousFan09 says:

    The Fourth Period has ranked their Top 30 UFAs.

    Nothing we didn’t already know, but anyone like the idea of a run at Scottie Upshall for under 3 mil?

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • naweed235 says:

      I was actually thinking about Upshall… I think he’d be a good fit and brings a lot of intensity

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “Scottie Upshall for under 3 mil?”???

      For equal dollars I’d choose Upshall over Pascal Dupuis, Benoit Pouliot, or Taylor Pyatt. I’d probably choose Colby Armstrong over those guys too, for the same money.
      What do you guys think is the maximum acceptable salary to pay Scottie Upshall?

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • 24 Cups says:

      Robert – Upshall can’t play top six minutes and isn’t the real goal scoring threat we need.

      I want Gagne. Two years at 4.5M a season. Before people say he’s injury prone, remember that the same thing can be said about Upshall. If you want Upshall to replace Pouliot then that’s a different story. Although I feel the Habs should qualify him. But we all know what happens when Martin gets the hate on for a young player.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Gagne at 4.5 when he’s got a history of injuries? No thanks. Word is he wants to stick in Tampa anyway. That’s another big contract that’s wrapped up in a guy who’s become increasingly fragile of late. I’d sooner see us take Ryan Malone off their hands than add Gagne to the mix if we’re going to talk that kind of cash.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • Number31 says:

      I can’t stand Scottie Upshall. When he’s not going on break aways (which is all he’s really good at), he’s delivering a head shot.

  31. mike3131 says:

    This morning I mentioned that we should bring in another 3rd to 5th defenseman in the apparent likely case that Wiz doesn’t resign. I strongly believe that Spacek MUST be the 7th man. I admit that I’m probably the most desperate here to get rid of Spacek, but last year was a sign that the train is approachin’ the end of the line. Even if he does play his 15 min per game, I’m sure he’ll already be gased out by April. I respect him for his experience and for what he accomplished in his career, but unfortunately, we don’t have that much strength on the back-end in the first place and Spacek is the weakest link.
    Having a deep defense corps going into the playoffs can sometimes bail out a weak offense. Rolling each pairing for 20 min will keep guys rested as you go deeper. However, if Spacek is in that mix, I don’t see him being able to handle the workload which will force us to overplay PK, Markov and Gorges and increasing the probability that Markov will get injured.
    For the above reasons, I believe we should bring in another defenseman and my interest was directed towards Jonathan Ericsson. He’s big, strong, played with DET, sound defensively, slight offensive upside – could man the 2nd PP unit with Yemelin. He’ll accept a 4th-5th defenseman role and will come at a legit price.

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  32. habstrinifan says:

    Need some new habs news or even unfounded rumour!

    The draft thread is all exhausted. So against my better judgement I am gonna go read Eklund’s rumours.

    If I dont return send in one of the “hostile” posters with truculence to the rescue.

  33. SeriousFan09 says:

    My complete evaluation of the 2011 Entry Draft by Montreal.

    My thoughts in full, just an opinion, please ease off with the pitchforks and such.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • New says:

      Lots of thought and research. Thanks. Maybe a little less white text on dark blue background.

      Aside from that there are buckets of young players out there with talent and who have never been drafted. Nothing stops the Canadiens from inviting them for a tryout. The draft is just the draft. Come crunch time a second is worth an almost retired 6th D man for three months.

    • TomNickle says:

      You do realize that Pribyl may come play for Shawinigan next season right?

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        He still has another year on his contract with Sparta Praha in the Czech Extraliga. He would have to break his contract and that would hurt him for WJC as the East European countries are not very favourable these days for players leaving early to play the CHL.

        I hope he does, but I’m not betting a ton on it ATM.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • TomNickle says:

          Beggars can’t be choosers. I don’t imagine breaking his contract would be an automatic exclusion from this years under 20 tournament.

          I would imagine there’s some truth to him considering coming over. It’s best for his development if he wants to play in North America.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I’m not saying this is the result for Pribyl if he breaks the contract but it may be an issue for him and a concern, they do take representing their country pretty seriously in Europe for INT events and Pribyl may be worried doing that will exclude him.

            I hope it is true, him and Bournival linking up in Shawinigan would be pretty good, especially with that team hosting the Memorial Cup.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      Thanks for all the work you do regarding our prospects SF09!!!

      How did Avtsin fare at the training camp?

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Avtsin did well at the latest camp from what I’ve read, was of the opinion that he was the most talented player there and the camp included pretty much every scoring forward MTL has in the organization.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • AK_PK_Usay says:

          Thanks, Im really hoping he’s the low risk-high reward player we need.

          I enjoyed your analysis of the draft and agree, that besides the 1st two rounds, you really should gamble on the player you need.

          On the other hand, quebec was rated as the province with the least entrepreneurial spirit, so don’t expect a whole lot of “gambling”… 🙁

  34. eric says:

    If I’m PG I wouldn’t try to sign Wiz. I would use that money to sign PK to an extension now.

    • HardHabits says:

      PK is an RFA. Look up the term. Study the implications. We’ll be waiting for your mea culpa.

      • JIMVINNY says:

        Your point is valid, but there are exceptions. Do you think Stamkos’ RFA status is going to prevent him from being signed to a 7+ million dollar deal? And if that’s the going rate for 21 year old top line forwards, what is the going rate for 21 year old top-paring d-men?

  35. Un Canadien errant says:

    As usual some lively opinions here. I hear Laich a lot, Malone, Cole…. (Cole would be nice, if only because he always seems to kill us) We’re looking for the one UFA forward who will put us over the top.

    I think about the Ducks, with Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan, the Canucks with the Sedins and Kesler, the Bruins with Bergeron and Marchand and Lucic, the Oilers with Eberley and Hall and Nugent-Hopkins, Detroit with Datsyuk and Zetterberg and the Mule, and then I think of the Canadiens. We don’t have one forward on our team who is in the class of these teams’ Top 3.

    Which bring me back to the point that we are not Cup contenders, and are not really close to being Cup contenders. We have a lot of pieces, and the future looks bright, and I love our team because we play hard and smart and with courage and heart. We can easily make the playoffs, but for us to win the Cup too many things have to go just right.

    Which is why I don’t want to pay huge money for a UFA who would putatively plug in next to Cammalleri and Plecanek and take us to the promised land. I think we risk overpaying for a player we’d regret signing two years from now. It’s illuminating to see how the Flyers, who had these All-Star forwards on their roster that we clamour for, and had them locked up, thought better of it and dealt them before they were stuck with them.

    In any case, I think Mr. Gauthier is too cautious to make a big splash come July 1. I think he sees that we need a lot of building blocks before we get to a point of organizational strength where we can be contenders for years, like the Wings or the Avalanche were for a decade, courtesy of Mr. Lacroix and Mr. Houle (spit). Some posters rail at Mr. Gauthier for being too careful, but I applaud him for his patience. Mr. Gainey made some dramatic moves two years ago, and is still being crucified for it here.

    So I’m happy with drafting five defencemen out of seven picks, I’m happy with resigning Markov, let’s add building block after building block until we have the assets in hand where we can make bold trades like Mr. Holmgren (spit) made this draft. I think we’re going in the right direction, and we’re in a position where we can be in a couple of years perennial contenders. I don’t want to sacrifice that for a Hail Mary this season.

    Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

    • naweed235 says:

      i stopped reading after your first paragraph…
      I would take Plekanec, Gionta and Cammaleri in the playoffs over (Bergeron, Lucic and the sedin sisters) any day!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Nice, play the Bruins’ game, question the manhood of the Sedins instead of the officiating problem in the NHL.

        I love Plekanec, Gionta and Cammalleri, but your objection is completely flawed. You wouldn’t trade these three for Bergeron, Lucic and the Sedins? The previous two years’ scoring champions? And you still want to offer your opinions on hockey and have them be taken seriously?

        Next time, for your benefit, I’ll keep my post a little shorter and sprinkle in some smiley faces and LOL’s just to keep your attention.

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

        • HardHabits says:

          Excellent post Can-errant. I thoroughly enjoyed it and agree. Don’t worry about naweed. He isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          “You wouldn’t trade these three for Bergeron, Lucic and the Sedins?”

          I would.

          We’d be sending three and getting back four. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

          Welcome to the newer NHL: The National Headshot League.

          • newbrunswick troy says:

            i was going to say that trading that many core players would never happen….i mean who would blow there team up like that? then it came to me…..

            THE Flyers

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            What a line that would be eh? Sedins setting up Lucic for 50 goals a year, and he keeps the other teams’ goons away from them.

            I would pull the trigger on that deal in a minute, and throw in Spacek while I’m at it.

            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy


        • naweed235 says:

          well if you decide to throw personal insults because somebody does not share the same opinion as yours …well, lets just say your parents might want to speak to your kinder garden guardians about your computer time…
          And yes I do believe that a player’s performance in the playoffs is way more important than their numbers in the regular season… When I look at Pleks, Cammy and Gio in the playoffs, I see heart and balls … I see players that would fight till the last second… Sedins, and Lucic on the other hand? well if you watched the playoffs you would know what I mean…
          P.S HardHabits, how do UCE’s testicles feel on your chin?

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Naweed, now who’s throwing the personal insults? Naughty boy! You started off this thread on a personal note by implying my post was boring you. I took it personal, gave you a noogie, so don’t go crying to mommy.

            If my posts are too long for you, and you stop reading, then spare us your comments, because you’ll obviously be off the mark.

            If you had read my post, you would know that I love our team as it is right now, including Plekanec and Cammalleri and Gionta. Way, way down in the third paragraph of my original post I made that point.

            If you think Bergeron and Lucic and the Sedins didn’t perform as well in the playoffs as our trio in question, that’s your opinion. If you still wouldn’t trade our three for those four, you are not grounded in reality. And I want you in my hockey pool and fantasy football leagues so I can have your money.

            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy


          • LA Loyalist says:

            the secret nom-du-couteau of this site is “Insults-R-Us”

            If it isn’t personal – you aren’t really trying.

      • VancouverHab says:

        I agree. I would be tempted, but I would refuse to trade Pleks & Cammi for the Sedin sisters, on the principle that I could use the money differential better and I have an appreciably better chance of a Stanley Cup with the players we have than the sisters.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          VancouverHab, I live in Whistler and am exposed to the Canucks quite a bit despite my best efforts. I have grown to appreciate the Sedins as they mature, some of their plays take your breath away.

          The trade that Naweed is on record as not wanting is not 2 for 2, its Cammy Pleks and Gio for the Sedins, Lucic and Bergeron. You decide on that, cap considered or not.

          I didn’t say I wanted to make that trade or any trade, rather, I said I want to keep and accumulate and develop our assets so that we grow to be a dominant, powerhouse organization.

          What I did say is that our best forward is not as good as the third best forward on any of the clubs I listed. The point is open to debate, rationally and civilly, but I stand by it.

          Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

          • LA Loyalist says:

            We love Whistler. Wish I was there right now having a Kokanee or a Big Rock.

          • VancouverHab says:

            Must be great to live in Whistler — it sure has changed from the days before, but I am impressed by how much of the original clean rural feel it retains.

            I too am impressed by the Sedin’s sublime skills — & they seem like awesome guys, stand-up in the room after EVERY game, donated very generously to the hospital. But I say no way they have what it takes to win the Stanley Cup. I mean , it was there for the taking this year and they simply folded under the real game.

            That said, I WOULD take the fantasy trade Naweed set out — not the one I laid out though ;–)

      • wild flower says:

        Eberley and Hall and Nugent-Hopkins might be a bit wet behind the ears too.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Maybe I was stretching it there a bit, but it’s hard to overlook their potential. They get to grow up together too, possibly get to play together for a long time.

          Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

    • Steven says:

      I agree everywhere on your post except when you say we have no one in that group of players.

      In my opinion, Cammalleri is a 1st line sniper on any contender team(well, that is to say unless they have a stacked first line). Basically, I think he compares to them easily.

      Otherwise, you’re right. We don’t have the same forward talent as those teams. One thing we do have, however, is Top-2 goaltending, and a Top-5 defensive unit. The only team from the ones you mentioned that are comparable to us in both those regards is Boston, and they won the Cup.

  36. showey47 says:

    Rumour has it drew doughty 5 years at 5.7 million. PK Subban will be a rich,rich man next summer.

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      Yeah, we might be forced, despite our deepest regrets to delegate Gomer to the minors so we can pay for PK and Price, ooOOOOHHHHH the humanity!!

  37. AK_PK_Usay says:

    Articulate only applies to verbal speech, if you meant to say syntax which im assuming you did, that is another story.

    Direct insults are still sub-par and you should be aware of that. His was was barely a light tap on the hand point out we’re just typing away on a forum. And no, so far you havent said anything to really shake the pot, one such comment would be that the russian style of play from the USSR era where the Dmen kept the puck during line changes to keep possession IS superior, and Canada had to resolve to goon tactics to win. (ie, injure the other teams star player)

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “Articulate only applies to verbal speech, if you meant to say syntax which im assuming you did, that is another story.”

      Dude! I haven’t been follow your conversation. I don’t know what it’s about, nor do I care. I am, however offended by your misuse and misunderstanding of the English language.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • HardHabits says:

        Apparently one can’t articulate in the written word according to APU.

        He also seems to think that Bobby Clarke was the ’72 Summit Series MVP.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Well if he didn’t make that malicious slash on Kharlamov, chances are Canada would have lost ’72.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          I’m quite proud to say that Bobby Clarke was way before my time, so I wouldn’t know if he was MVP or not. I heard he broke a guy’s ankle with a slash tough, so if that guy was really good then I guess maybe. ???

          * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

        • AK_PK_Usay says:

          You can, but if you are as eloquent as you think you are, then you use the best word for the situation, otherwise feel free to continue using a thesaurus to make yourself feel smart.

  38. punkster says:

    Wadaminit…wadaminit…Kirk going to be the coach of an AHL team? But…but…the experts here said he was ripe for the head coaching job of THE Montreal Canadiens? Obviously the rest of this league is st00pid beyond belief to have not seen his true value.

    What’s next, Gomez plays all year here? WHEN WILL THE MADNESS END?

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      If that happens its because Kirk understands NOT speaking french means no job as a head coach here…

      Look at his career with the habs, he gets traded out of nowhere for nothing… despite bleeding bleu blanc rouge

      There are enough instances to point out that habs have real management issues

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Were there any NHL head coaching jobs available to begin with?

      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  39. Duracell3 says:

    Quick Question: What is Colorado doing? (i.e Shattenkirk, Stewart, Liles, Anderson, trying to get rid of statsny, etc) I don’t understand why they’re trading young players, who are proven, for picks, that may or may not work out, thoughts?

    • hab_skill says:

      I think they aren’t doing too badly except trading Stewart was a bad idea. The guy is a tank. They did get Erik Johnson (who played very well once traded) and have O’Byrne on D plus they drafted a really good D-Man in Siemans who is supposed to be similar to Scott Stevens. Their forwards aren’t too bad either. They have Duchene, Landeskong (?) and Stastny, who they shouldnt be trying to trade.

  40. Andrew65 says:

    Has anyone heard any news about Georges? What’s his agent asking for? I’d like to think we can get him locked up for $2.5 to $3M over 3 or 4 years.


    That’s a better set of defencemen than either of the Cup Final teams.

    And let’s lay off Spacek. He’s been a good pro for a long time now. As a 3rd pairing guy playing 15 minutes a game, he’s a valuable asset. Would I pay $3.8 for him now? Not a chance. I’d rather have Hammer for $3M for a year. But we have Spatch for another year. Let’s give him his props.

    • Favorite Son says:

      “That’s a better set of defencemen than either of the Cup Final teams.”

      With Markov: injured 2 years in a row
      Gill: slow
      Spacek: slow
      Emelin: unproven
      Weber: unproven

      I don’t think so pal

      • TomNickle says:

        McQuaid: unproven
        Kampfer: unproven
        Hnidy: NHL castoff
        Ference: Terrible

        • slapshot777 says:

          Good reply Tom, I have to laugh how some people come in here and down every player the Habs have. Yet when they look at teams around the league they have inferior players to ours.

          To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

          • HardHabits says:

            McQuaid: Stanley Cup Ring +8 in the 2011 play-offs
            Kampfer: who the f*** is Kampfer?
            Hnidy: played all of 3 play-off games
            Ference: +10, 10 points in 25 play-off games, Stanley Cup Ring

            You’re still missing 4 other D men but let’s cherry pick some more.

    • solomio says:

      Agree with Favourite Son. That defensive corps you’re presenting does not inspire one ounce of confidence. Sorry. You’ve got to come with something better than that.

  41. habs001 says:

    we need an assistant coach that improves our faceoff wins when we start the pp and faceoffs in our zone…2 years in a row we have been very poor in winning key faceoffs and it caught up to us…plecks and gomez have to be much better in faceoffs that count not neutral zone wins where they pad their stats

  42. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Wow, sad to see Captain Kirk leave the Habs organization. I,ve always been a big fan of Muller. Good luck Kirk. That’s two young coaches we lost in a year. (Guy Boucher being the first to go).

    • Andrew65 says:

      Who’s to say he won’t come back when it’s time to replace JM? He’s not tied to his new team. He’s going to ge valuable head coaching experience and be better for it in a year or two.

      We used to be the traning ground for GM’s. Now it seems to be coaches. Julien, Vigneault, Boucher,

  43. longbow says:

    Time for a new thread. This one is getting cluttered. I guess Boone et al got a day off. I miss the fact that we don’t have the “new comment” indicator from the old site. Harder to weed through all the old posts.Scrolling through everything is wearing out my finger.

    “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

  44. RiverviewCanadien says:

    So no new thread on Muller leaving to be the Admirals Head coach? Or did I miss something somewhere…

    Posters are still arguing over why their picks were the best…instead people should be focused on why the Habs couldn’t have prepared themselves for this and let him be the Bulldogs coach.

    • longbow says:

      Seems to me Craig Ramsey might be a good replacement.He was a defensive specialist when he played. He could fit right in.

      “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

      • slapshot777 says:

        No way Ramsey is not the kind of person we need behind the bench. He himself doesn’t look motivated, so how would he transfer any engery and postive attributes to the youngs and guys on the bench as a whole.

        Kirk was always talking tapping guys on the pads, constantly give encouragement, praise and upbeat tempo. Have you ever looked at Ramsey last season behind the Thrashers bench, or behind the Sabres bench as an assistant. he looks stilless, dull, not much of a talker or hooray,hooray type of person. He just looks, like he is lost behind there.

        No we need another strong motivator similar to Kirk. JM is much of a talker either neither is Pearn, so we got to get that upbeat person back behind the bench to keep the troops from nodding off during games.

        To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

    • longbow says:

      I would like to see Perry Pearn replaced. I’m not at all impressed with how he rolls his defensive pairings.All too often I’m seeing our top line out with our 2 defensive Dmen or our 1st pairing out with our 4th line slugs. Hard to generate any momentum that way.Some days I really miss Scotty Bowman.

      “Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock

  45. Habby says:

    Kirk Muller is going to be named the head coach of the Milwaukee Admirals on Monday according to TSN.


    The drive for 25 is alive!

  46. thebigguy says:

    I’m not quite sure why people are freaking out over the drafting of defencemen.

    Young forwards on the team include Pacioretty, Eller, Leblanc, Kristo as top flight prospects. Include Avstin, White, Gallagher, Bournival, Palushaj and (hopefully)Shultz, we have a pretty decent forward base.

    Compare that to Subban, Webber, Emelin, Tinordi, Beaulieu and not much else, I’m pretty happy with the focus on defence

    • Andrew65 says:

      Agreed. Patch, Eller, Leblanc, Avtsin especially.

      It’s not just quantity in the draft, but quality. Who’s to say that Prybil and Archambault won’t turn out to be great picks.

      Besides, we need help NOW, not 3-4 years from now. I’m hoping next year’s UFA forward crop is better, as it’s the easiest way to upgrade the top 6.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I like Avtsin, Gallagher, Leblanc and Kristo as Top-6 capable forwards outside of the big club, but Bournival, Palushaj do not strike me as being talented enough to push into the Top-6 and at present, Ian Schultz has a terrible conditioning issue. To me, this is beting a bit too much that the few NHL-projected forwards we have with a scoring touch make the show.

      Habs also have Morgan Ellis, Greg Pateryn and Mac Bennett if we’re going to include names like Schultz, Bournival as potential Habs they’re close to being in the same projectable category ATM for NHL talent.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Say more about Shultz and his conditioning issue. You’re saying the problem is he’s not in shape?

        I kept an eye on his stats last year, hoping to see a return for Halak, and noticed no points but lots of PIM’s. I just thought we had ourselves a fighter with hands of stone, in the bad sense of the word, someone who would plateau in the AHL.

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Last year he was critiqued for it by multiple sources and at the latest Habs development camp, they noted at that Schultz does not seem to have done a lot to address the issue.

          He could probably upgrade himself to a capable grinder for the NHL if he took conditioning seriously some think, but so far he hasn’t done that.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Thanks SF, I really appreciate the news, that’s the first I’ve heard of him since the trade last year.

            I was kind of hoping he could be a banger for us for a couple of years, but looking at his stats I was starting to have doubts.

            It boggles my mind that a professional hockey player in 2011 can let something completely within his control like his fitness slide. I bet four years from now if he washes out he’d blame Cunneyworth and the Canadiens organization. say they never gave him a chance.

            With all the support (coaches, strength and conditioning coaches, nutrition, great facilities) these guys have there is no excuse. If someone told you you had six months to win the lottery and get a million dollars and the best job in the world, wouldn’t you live in the gym and on the ice, like 6 hours a day? The money is there, just reach up and grab it.

            I’m frustrated. Annoyed.
            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Petr Svoboda 1) Shayne Corson 2) Stephane Richer 3) Patrick Roy


  47. BKAK72 says:

    Here’s my simple take on contracts:

    1. Crosby “type” i.e. a superstar who performs at an elite level and actively sells the game at a local and national level.

    2. Malkin “type” i.e. a superstar who performs at an elite level who does not sell the game at a local and national level.

    Use the dollars wisely or you are stuck with some crazy contract that retards your progress i.e. Gomez at $7.5M/yr.


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