Gauthier does some signing … but not what we’re waiting for

Pierre Gauthier has announced six appointments.  

Serge Boisvert and Ryan Jankowski will join the Canadiens’ amateur scouting group. Vaughn Karpan becomes a professional scout, and Christer Rockstrom will assume scouting duties for European leagues as of September 1st.

It is important to note that Boisvert will be a full-time Quebec scout, replacing part-timers Denis Morel and Michel Boucher.

At the administrative level, the team announced the appointment of Ken Morin as hockey information coordinator. This is an entry-level scouting position. Morin will analyze video and coaching trends, passing the fruits of his labour on to Gauthier.

And as HIO reported last week, Pierre Allard becomes the Canadiens’ new strength and conditioning coach.

Serge Boisvert joined the Canadiens in 2009 as a consultant in player development. The former right winger played with the Canadiens from 1984 to 1988, and was a member of the 1986 Stanley Cup Championship team.

Ryan Jankowski was employed by the New York Islanders as assistant general manager and director of amateur scouting since 2006. He joined the Islanders as amateur scout in 2002, before spending three years in Prague as the team’s Director of European scouting.

Vaughn Karpan  becomes professional scout following five years as part of the Canadiens’ amateur scouting group. He joined the Canadiens in 2005, after spending several seasons as Chief Scout for the Phoenix Coyotes and the Winnipeg Jets

Christer Rockstrom  was a member of the New York Rangers organization for the past 21 years, including the past five seasons as Director of Player Personnel – Europe. He previously served as a European scout for the Rangers for 16 years. He also covered part of Europe as a scout for the Detroit Red Wings organization, from 1984 to 1989.

Ken Morin is the former captain of the McGill Redmen hockey team, where he earned a degree in Industrial Relations. Last season, he played as a defenseman with the CIS Royal Military College team, and the Bakersfield Condors in the ECHL.


  1. Mr-T says:

    It ludicrous to think that Halaks trade value or response to him being on the market is improbable or diminishes based solely by your attempt to imply directly or indirectly that any interest or a trade was contingent on or in any way influenced by the number of other major player trades before on or after July 01 is incomprehensible. Whatever was on the agenda of any GM during this period is totally inconsequential. If a team was interested in getting Halak if he was put out there by the Habs and that any activitiy or lack of it would even be of any concern or of remote interest to them or in any way devalue his financial worth is preposterous. What has the choice of Eller got to due with their draft pick unless your trying to say if Montreal traded for their 1st round pick that they would have taken Runblad and that the deal for Eller is a better choice[ because he was a higher ranked prospect. Which means very little if you can not compete at the NHL level and being highly rated is no guarantee] and/or is it by position the player the Habs need more than a d-man.            

    That was the idea to the trade in giving the Habs the opportunity to negotiate and try to sign one or both before July 01. When it comes to been drafted in the 5th or 7th round there is no quantitative research or qualitative analysis to a players eventual productivity in the remote possibility of even playing in the NHL. It is a roll of the dice and there is no upgrade to something that is of little intrinsic value in the first place.                                      

    If Montreal received a 1st and 3rd pick as compensation is it not a bit presumptuous to indicate that they would be less likely to get a player[s] as good or better then the two of them and been NHL ready is still a unknown for Eller and Schultz is definitately AHL bound. What if St. Louis finished in last place then where is the basis for that theory. Is Boyd more qualified then Moore or just younger and cheaper, not a fair trade-off if that is the case . Where did PG gain a measure of youth and toughness. Not to a particular position but to the greater balance of the team and to what extent has Gauthier improved the team. Can the Habs provide a sustainable higher level of play or do you see a vast change that no one else perceives.

    Good analysis of the Plekanec contract.                                       


  2. habstrinifan says:

    WOW! Huffington post politically right wing? Are you talking about the Arianna Huffington’s  news site? If you are, no offense, but you are way wrong!

  3. HabFab says:


    Kelowna Rockets WHL

    Trevor Moens last year of Junior.



    Ian Schultz last year of Junior.

    2009-10 Calgary Hitmen WHL
  4. LA Loyalist says:

    well it’s thin on one end, much much thicker in the middle, then thin again on the other end.

  5. LA Loyalist says:

    Theoretically, we could have kept Price and Halak and let them duke it out for #1 again – and then traded Price for a box of TimBits(tm) at the trade deadline.

    We would have had to move some other pieces to do it but we should be building from the net out. There was no rush to resolve the goalie issue until training camp.

    But of course neither your argument or mine hold because we are boat-anchored by the $7 million dollar Smurf – stuck with needing toughness and scoring because he provides neither.

    As for Moore, I would have found a way to keep him because a) he proved himself b) it’s a long year, people get hurt and you need depth c) we don’t know if Eller or Puliot will get their act together or not. I’m not against the gamble that they will, I’m against throwing away the insurance in case they don’t. Insurance is worth it – for example Hamerlik is not at his peak anymore, but he did damn well when Markov went horribly down. Can you imagine if we hadn’t had him?


  6. saskhabfan says:

    Don’t worry,i’m sure he would have looked much more dominant in your eyes had brian burke had traded for him instead of us.

    Leafstv “telling their fans they deserve to win for over 40 years”

  7. Aaron13 says:

    Signing Pleks was a big mistake. He did nothing during the playoffs (never in front of the net and afraid of being hit) and I suspect he never will make a significant contribution to the team. Why didn’t we sign someone like Byfuglien? We need toughness in front of the net. SK was very talented in my mind. Unfortunate that Martin didn’t like him as with Latendresse. I don’t understand the Pouliot signing – he’s afraid of getting hit. Letting Moore go was a mistake. I’m not pleased with this GM.

  8. GrimJim says:

    It’s called “sunk costs” you don’t evaluate a business opportunity on the amount already paid out but on the potential of future revenue/profit vs future expenses/losses. In essense you have already “sunk” the costs you have spent, so you ignore them in determining the future earning potential of the opportunity.

  9. Mr-T says:

                        ” Pardon my ignorance, your cognitive process is sound and your logic is indisputable.”

  10. Storm Man says:

    I don’t think your looking at all Shultz brings to the table. I went to a few Hitman games and liked what he brings with his game as your buddy PM would say he brings alot of jam and that is something this team needs, 55 pts in 70 games does not tell the whole story on if Shultz can make the jump to the NHL The Habs did not get him to score 30 plus goals a year he is here to stand up for his team mates and knock some heads.

  11. habstrinifan says:

    I did and posted as such!

  12. Mr-T says:

                         Harvard has a posting on their website looking for a teaching assistant for the Economics                        Department. You can explain to them how this theory of yours works.    

  13. TripleX says:

    I am referring to Shultz’s career projections.  I only saw him a couple of times as I don’t go to many Hitman games, but I witnessed a 20 year old not exactly dominating younger players.

    55 points in 70 games as a 20 year old makes me highly doubtful he will be making the NHL anytime soon.

    “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars” – Oscar Wilde

  14. GrimJim says:


    Halak trade, 1) At the draft, there were no major player-for-player trades. It seemed the GMs were focused on trading for picks (Horton trade 22June, Byflgun trade 24 June, only trade 25June of active NHL players was Bernier). So the likelihood of return for Halak increasing at the draft seems small. (2) St. Louis draft day trade was a prospect Runblad. Eller was a higher ranked prospect (although R was a d-man) therefore it makes sense that Eller would be a more likely target, making PG’s early move more reasonable. Yes a roster player would have been easier to take but maybe there’s something else at work here (more to come)

    SK was traded for the right to talk to Boyd and Ellis, or a 5th round pick if neither signed and SK did. PG established a relationship with Boyd prior to July 1. Did that help sign him. I have no idea but its a negotiating ploy and a use for someone the HAbs were ready to let walk for free anyway. If we hadn’t signed Boyd, Habs would receive a 5th round pick. Trading a problem-child 7th for a 5th round pick would have been an upgrade. PG covered all bases

    Plaks deal. It seems to me, and I’ve seen you and many others on this board do this, that your argument here is based on the assumption that PG can DICTATE the terms of the agreement by himself, ie 30 mil over 8 years or 10 years to reduce the cap. What if Plaks didn’t want more than the deal he got because he believes his career trajectory will continue to increase (or just as likely average salaries will continue to incraese) and in 2016 he will be worth 8 mil a year? Why should he give up those salary earning years with greater potential just because PG (and the blogosphere) wants him to? Your argument seems to rest on PG being able to do what you want him to, without recognizing that negotiations are a two-way street.

    Schultz. (1) Eller was a 1st and Schultz was a 3rd. If St. Louis had signed Halak to an offer sheet for what they signed the contract for Habs would have received… a 1st and 3rd. (2) The prevailing knock on Montreal is we are not tough enough. Schultz potentially addresses that need (3) Look at PG’s moves this summer as a collective. He trades Halak for two prospects, one considered NHL-ready. He trades SK for a second year player, who will be replacing Moore (age 30) with a player age 24. What is another knock on Montreal? No NHL ready prospects/poor player development. PG’s summer moves have been as a group to address two recurring issues: youth and toughness.

    Now, if there is a spot where PG seems to have failed it would be in addressing the scoring issue, looking instead to hope that AKost and Pouliot bounce back.

  15. PeterStone says:

    we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one … moore cost you a 2nd .. he was inexpensive, and, we have to admit, he played decent hockey and he was an important part of the run.  You got your $ worth with that deal.  That he wasnt resigned isnt relevant IMO , as I dont think there was ever any intention of signing him L/T.   I think you’ll see more and more picks getting moved, for players like that.  Contract over … no commitment ( or little ).  The Pens gave a 3rd just to TALK to Hamhuis.  We gave a 2nd for a guy to play with us. 

    As for Jaro … traded then or now .. i dont see the relevance of when.  To me its like debating whether you sign Price in July or September .. it doesnt matter.  The one thing you can question is did he create a market where he maximized his return. That we can debate, and we woul perhaps agree, but, as for the timeing of when, I dont see that it matters much.

    SK was pretty well worth nothing.  I am sure he was going back to Russia … i am actually surprised he stayed, but, either way, he got the opportunity to talk to Boyd, and Boyd is here ..

    As for Schultz .. you cant have it both ways … you cant argue that a 2nd is worth so much, and we shouldnt give it up for a player like moore, then in the same breath argue that Schultz ( a 3rd ) isnt proven …

  16. PeterStone says:

    PG got 3 rounds of playoffs … not sure what your point is ? Schultz i believe i said hopefully … clearly you have nothing smart to add… you know you can just pass over the thought if you dont like it.

  17. Mark C says:

    Re: Moore.

    Buffalo did the exact samething with the exact same player only one year before. And please, Moore played great hockey in the playoffs and scored one of the most important goals, and now just because he’s not being re-signed the trade is “non sensical.”

    Moore provided Montreal with just what they needed, and only cost a 2nd round in 2011 (recently 2nd round picks make the NHL at around 30%, I believe, not sure on the number, I looked into this a long time ago). Once Eller was traded for, Moore became even more expendable and redundant.

    Here are a few possible reasons why Halak got traded when he did, which I posted today:

    Cons for signing Price and then Trading Halak:

    1) Market size, the earlier a trade is made, the larger the available market. In theory this should maximize the return.

    2) This whole theory of signing Price before trading Halak is based on the assumption that the team could sign Price quick. However, why would Price and his agent want to sign quickly? Based on logic and negotiation strategy the only way to get the Price camp to sign early is to meet or exceed their initial contract demands (which would be at their highest point).

    3) After signing Price, and trying to trade Halak, teams would know you were trading Halak, because there is no reason to believe he would be willing to re-sign in Montreal.  This would likely decrease Montreal’s trading position.

    In the end, this theory means Montreal overpays for Price and receives less in return for Halak. I don’t know what the right way would have been; no one does for certain, but make no mistake there are pros and cons to both.

    P.S. I love your line about Shultz: “has been nothing beyond a big minor leaguer” He has yet to even play a minor league game in his career.


  18. mrhabby says:

    you seem to have all the answers…good for ya.

  19. mike g says:

    No terms yet…

    But my guess is he’ll proably get 2 years, 2.5 mill per year…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  20. habs03 says:

    The reason why P.G. gave up a 2nd rounder in the up coming draft is because we getting a 2nd round pick for not signing David Fischer, we should be picking 50th overall. With Eller being the 3rd line C, should be good for 15 G-20 A as a rookie, the only spot left for Moore is being a 4th like C, P.G. got Boyd who is at about 650k to play that role, Moore would want atleast a 1.25M year which is what he made last year i think so its really either Boyd at 650K or Moore at 1.25M (and convincing him to be a 4th line C)/

  21. pic1983 says:

    Do we have financial terms of the deal? I have no problem with ponikarovky in a 3rd and sometimes 2nd line role, but if they are paying this guy top-6 money for any term longer than one year, than I will agree that lombardi is off his rocker. 

  22. Mr-T says:

                      I am confused where is Moore now and P.G. has what in return for that 2nd pick. Maybe it would be wise to refrain from judgement on Schultz also until he shows that he is good enough to play in Hamilton first. Your comparing exactly what to what that seems such a bargain for the Habs. Give Gauthier a call he needs someone  to wash his car and shine his shoes.                  

  23. Exit716 says:

    He was foolish enough to sign with a team foolish enough to pay him that much money. There’s blame on both sides.


  24. TripleX says:


    Acquired Moore for a 2nd round pick which many considered high at the time.  Moore proved to be a valuable addition and the move made sense UNTIL he was not resigned.  A 2nd round pick for a half season rental is non sensical.

    Traded Halak before the July 1 draft in needless haste.  The argument that he wanted ONLY Eller and did not want to lose him is questionable.  Was Eller in the sights of all the GM’s in the league?  Big to do about a player who has yet to play a full season in the NHL.  Does anyone believe that was the best that could be gained if PG had waited.  A proven roster player would have been easier to take.

    SK was traded for the 24 hour right to talk to Boyd before July 1.  Boyd went to UFA and was available to ANY team to sign.  SK was traded for NOTHING.

    Shultz has been nothing beyond a big minor leaguer and is not really worth discussing.

    The Pleks deal while good that PG signed him, could have been structured far better to impact the cap less, and would have allowed either Halak to be signed, or to sign another top six winger.

    “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars” – Oscar Wilde

  25. The Cat says:

    Maybe you couldve said ‘Dont sell your house until youre sure you got another roof ready to cover your head’ or something like that.

  26. SeriousFan09 says:

    Lombardi, you have such, such a promising youth movement in the ranks, your D prospects could make you a much meaner, younger, cheaper D group than anyone else in the NHL in a couple of years. You have Quick and Bernier for a goalie tandem. If you acquired some strong forward talent, you could rule the West, WHY man?


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu.

  27. andrewberkshire says:

    Ponikarovski’s agent went to Lombardi and said, did you know my boy Alexei is just as good as Kovalchuk in the playoffs?

  28. The Cat says:

    Yeah I was gonna say, she is as left wing as it gets. How could anyone mistake her for right wing?

  29. The Cat says:

    I wish theyd have kept him, I dont know what hes asking though, but he and Lapierre together were dynamite I thought. Id have those 2 on my 3rd line in a heartbeat. They were one of the best (if not the best) 3rd line in the playoffs.

  30. 123456 says:

    moore surprised the heck out of me – i honestly did not expect much, but h ehelp get the habs through 2 playoff rounds. but alas as in business those days are nehind us. when looking to the future the habs went a different direction – do not think of it as throwing away a second round pick. that deal is in the past.

  31. The Cat says:

    It does seem LA always finds a way to shoot itself in the foot.

  32. JD_ says:

    * Read this story in the Gazoo this mornin’. It is my understanding that, as part of Canada’s sanctions, the Habs will no longer, I repeat, will no longer be participating in a pre-season exhibition hockey game against the سپاه پاسداران انقلاب اسلامی Ice Dogs, the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution’s amateur hockey club. You may remember the team from the Disney® family feature, “He Shoots, He Scores, He Rapes, He Pillages, He Burns”.

    * From Pat Hickey’s piece on Kovy II’s contract: “It’s not surprising the NHLPA decided to grieve this decision. For starters, it’s important that the group, which has been without a leader since Paul Kelly was fired last year, flexes its muscles in the lead-up to the negotiations on the next CBA.” At the risk of splittin’ hairs, the NHLPA would have challenged the NHL’s decision regardless of the timing of any CBA negotiations. That is its role. The only side trying to flex its muscles ahead of the CBA negs is the NHL. They’re the ones tryin’ – tryin’ – to draw a line in the sand, on a beach where the NHLPA is perfectly happy not to see any lines drawn.

    * Price hasn’t signed. In other news, I ran out of lump charcoal last night. I will probably pick up another bag at the ol’ Canadian Tire later on today.
    * Also from Pat Hickey’s piece: “It’s also not surprising because the NHL is vulnerable in this case. It has already approved similar contracts from Roberto Luongo and Marian Hossa.” I wrote about this at length yesterday. I’m findin’ the laziness of this type of thinking very tiresome. Does anyone really think any party involved in the arbitration process is going to hinge its arguments on the concept of similarity? Every single contract where the actual salary in year 1 exceeds the cap hit de facto circumvents the cap. Is that 10% of the league’s contracts? 25%? 50%? At the end of the day, they’re all similar. The issue is not similarity, it is extent. From the league’s perspective, it is the fact that Kovy II’s is the longest, retires the oldest, and has the widest cash-cap gap. His contract establishes the new frontier. The league wants to effectively draw the line somewhere below Kovy’s deal. Iffy-kinda-sorta doesn’t happen in that world and the lawyers are not paid to get touchy-feely. Christ.
    * Having said all that, I still like Pat Hickey.
    * I still don’t, however, care for Jack Todd, notwithstandin’ he is lookin’ increasingly accurate with respect to his Lance Armstrong tirades. Still an attention-cravin’, bizarrely angry douche in my books.
    * Which brings me to this:
    There once was a guy named Ilya
    Lou said his contract won’t kill ya
    Will he play ’til he’s fifty?
    It all seems kinda shifty
    Just wait ’til the lawyers bill ya
  33. Mark C says:

    Your point of view was my initial reaction, as well. But, the more I’ve thought of the situation, it seems there was no right way of handling it. This is compounded by our (fans, media, everyone besides the parties involved) lack of knowledge of the process. For example, perhaps management targeted X number of players they really wanted for Halak. We assume Eller was one of these players. While in initial negotiations with St. Louis, Blues’ management offers an exploding offer with Eller being the centerpiece. Telling Montreal, “this will be our best offer, if you do not take it, we have moving on to our plan B.” Not saying this is what took place, but it is an illustration as to what may have lead to the trade. 


  34. mike g says:

    Ponikarovski signs in LA….

    Why the heck would you sign this bum Mr. Lombardi?

    Please don’t start ruining your very promising franchise.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  35. G-Man says:

    Not signing Price gives almost everyone the impression he has some “leverage.” Remember, he was given a qualifying offer so Habs management is covered. Whether he gets big bucks or not depends on how Pricey he wants to be.

  36. LA Loyalist says:

    thank you mentioning Dominic Moore – who scored the most important goal of the season – to quote you, with which I agree – and for whom we traded – and then decided he wsnt worth keeping. I saw him score a beautiful goal here in LA against the Kings, a game we won, the guy has skill, but obviously G knows best. We’ll see.

  37. Mr-T says:

                            Now that is a thought to ponder. I hope you did not damage anything vital up there.

  38. PeterStone says:

    if you are bought out, depending on your age, you are bought out at 2/3 the value of the contract, and those monies are paid out in 2x the amount of time left on your contract.  so, if you have 1M$ per year for 2 years, you would get a total of 66% of the 2M$ ( total ) paid out over 2x the amount of time left, 4 years.  So whatever that number was YES it would count against your cap.  IE Laraque is against our cap.

    If the player signs a new deal, odds are it wouldnt be for the same amount, but yes, theoretically, he would get 2 salaries ( see yashin, KHL & he is the NYI HIGHEST PAID PLAYER THIS SEASON , followed by DiPietro ) and if he signed with another NHL team he would be against 2 caps, yes.

  39. Mark C says:

    Would someone please help me understand this:  if a player gets sent down (like someone suggested Wedden would), how does it affect a team’s cap?

    Wedden contract comes off the cap, however the team still must pay him.

    And how does this work:  if a player is still under contract and is bought out, if that player signs with another team, is it still counted against the original team?  Does the player collect TWO salaries?


  40. Fire_Laraque says:

    I can agree with most of what you’ve written.  Never thought of it from that angle.  I guess my judgement is clouded with the fact that I would’ve kept Halak.


    Anyhow, it is not MY assumption that Price will sign at a higher price then Halak, it’s the journalists assumption.

  41. K-hab25 says:

    I watch Bill Mahr on HBO and he’s had Arriana Huffington on several times. She’s about as left wing whacko liberal as it gets. So obviously this guy doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.

  42. PeterStone says:

    there are no more holdouts in Hockey.  you holdout past december and you are out for the season, NHL rules.  I dont see whats the difference if Price is signed in July or September. 

    I think PG has earned a little time to see what he can do.  Lots of BG and PG associating, but so far, I like what he’s done.  DMoore scored the biggest goal of the season … as a first move, it worked out very well.  He traded Jaro, yes, but, we knew he had to move a goalie, and, until I see Eller play, I will refrain from judgement. Plus, at almost 4M$ per, Jaro was getting pricey.  SK was a lost cause, and he turned him into Boyd who adds a little skill and toughness to the squad.  Schultz will also hopefully be good enough to play, cause he also adds a little size and character to this squad, which is sorely needed. 

    Finally, he signed TP to a deal, when compared to Mikko, seems quite reasonable. 

    However this season plays out, if we flounder, there will be loads of assets to move, for picks, if we succeed, he will hopefully keep some cap $pace to add some resources … this upcoming draft sounds good though … and whatever picks I could add in the first 2 rounds .. i would do it.  Should be a better draft for the Q

  43. andrewberkshire says:

    “You don’t buy a new house until you’ve sold the one you’ve got.”

    EXACTLY. That’s exactly why Halak was SOLD before Price was bought. Thanks for destroying your own argument.

  44. Jordio-oh says:

    I find the Huff pretty liberal actually. It was created in response to the abundance of conservative media at the time. But your definition of ‘right-wing’ could also vary from mine.

    In the overall, the purpose of me posting what i did was because i found it interesting there were mentionings of both Toronto and Montreal within days of each other.

    Both of your points were taken. But the second one did confuse me.

  45. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Huffpo is right wing? That’s rich. Sure it’s slightly to the right of Karl Marx but not a lot. Of course, it may well be to the right of those who read the Toronto Star, as well.

  46. Thomas Le Fan says:

    2nd after Vanautu? Well it’s Huffpo, afterall, the next article will have Al Gore telling you that the oceans will rise 30 feet. Yay! We’re number one!

  47. habsfanincalgary says:

    Would someone please help me understand this:  if a player gets sent down (like someone suggested Wedden would), how does it affect a team’s cap?

    And how does this work:  if a player is still under contract and is bought out, if that player signs with another team, is it still counted against the original team?  Does the player collect TWO salaries?

    Bob is looking like a genious right now regarding not signing Souray and Huet.  But just think of the possibilities withOUT the $7.3 million of the new #11!

    Finally, any further word on the new captain?

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Huffington Post is most definitely not right wing.


  49. Mark C says:

    That still means that Price gets overpaid or that the trade market decreases in size.

  50. mbplekfan says:

    I highly doubt Price is holding out. I dont think his agent is that stupid.

    Carey doesnt have the leverage or reputation to hold out without damaging his character and getting pasted with the problem player label.

    A new contract is likely signed and will be announced closer to training camp to maximize coverage and ramp up excitement about the upcoming season. An announcement now serves no purpose and gets lost in the summer doldrums.

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