Game 58: Lucky bounce jump-starts Canadiens

Canadiens’ Carey Price makes one of his 35 saves on Wednesday night as the Panthers’ Brett McLean tries to distract the goaltender. Bruce Bennett/Getty Images

Updated by The Gazette’s Kevin Mio

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It took a lucky bounce to get them going, but the Canadiens were able to overcome some poor play to end a three-game losing streak with a 2-1 overtime win against the Florida Panthers on Wednesday night.

Alex Kovalev was the hero in the extra period with a precise wrist shot that baffled Panthers goaltender Tomas Vokoun as the Habs were able to salvage their trip to the Sunshine State. With the win, Montreal improved its overtime record to 4-4 on the season and outshot the Panthers 5-0 in overtime and 37-36 overall.

Vokoun had been perfect for much of the game, stonewalling the Canadiens’ offence until he bobbled the puck off a faceoff 12 minutes into the third period. That allowed Christopher Higgins to beat a Panthers’ defenceman to the puck and knock it into a wide-open net to tie the game at 1-1. It’s the second straight game with goals for Higgins, who had been in a deep slump before breaking the ice in Tampa Bay on Tuesday night.
Before the Higgins goal, things didn’t look good for the Canadiens as they were unable to get anything going, especially on the power play, which was 0-for-5 in regulation. The Panthers also outshot the Habs 36-32 after regulation time.

Carey Price was suberb in nets for the Canadiens, stopping all but one of the shots he faced. The only one to beat Price was a Steve Montador shot from the point that went off Andrei Markov’s glove.

The Canadiens were unable to muster much offensively in the first period, with their only real chances coming toward the end of the period. The first came when Andrei Markov broke in alone on Tomas Vokoun with less than two minutes to play after taking a pass from Saku Koivu. The captain assisted on both Montreal goals.

There was no scoring in the second period, but Koivu had a chance to tie the game 1-1 on a shorthanded breakaway with five minutes to go in the second period, but his shot was blocked easily by Vokoun.

The Canadiens return home for a game on Saturday against the Philadelphia Flyers and then travel to Philly for a rematch on Sunday night.


  1. ClaytonM says:

    He had him out for face-off insurance, in case you were wondering.

  2. ClaytonM says:

    How does that work out? If you’re changing from EST to PST, you get 3 extra hours to rest and get ready for the game. As long as they fly out early enough, there’s plenty of time to rest. It’s tougher for western teams IMO.

  3. ClaytonM says:

    It might have something to do with Montreal being a Hockey Town, genius. You see, when you don’t have an NBA team to schedule your games around, it makes things easier for the NHL schedule.

    By the way, if any team is gonna bitch about their schedule it should be Buffalo. They play back to back 17 times this year. But I get the feeling your team is North of Buffalo.

  4. joe-hab-nuno says:

    I don’t think they would Latenedr for Hossa either. I hate him cuz of the media’s love affair for the guy and i think he should be in the AHL. After a couple of years there working on hi game , them send him up to see what he can do, only then i’d give him up if he wasn’t producing. He’s 20 and too oung to give up on but please go to the ahl. He’s not a Crosby or ovechkin were he can come to the big show and show his stuff. Only in Montreal where your name sound like Lantentress and you’re up. Like Patrick Roy said last year, he’s only here cuz he’s a francaphone.

  5. dicktracy says:

    ever here of the ‘slingbox’?

  6. PureGuava says:

    The only piece of inspired coaching I have seen from Carbo in about 10 games was to use Smolinski more. He may be a step or two behind, but he is intelligent with the puck, and still may be capable of some offense. I would put him with Koivu and SK74 and put Higgins centering Streit and Dandy.

  7. Shiloh says:

    No it’s on West Bloor – between Spadina and Bathurst subway stops. Tuesday night is their wing night. I’ve watched a lot of games there.

    Hey Darcy, meet my friend Alex.

  8. Shiloh says:

    No Sorry needed. Do you ever go to Kilgour’s on West Bloor to watch the Habs games? The whole bar is Habs fans – everybody wears a jersey.

  9. Ed says:

    Yes, I heard about that. It was three guys from Thunder Bay.

  10. vic says:

    I tried to download the connection for the t v but the download for for the tv show no files to extract.can you help.

  11. 1010 says:

    So Higgins scored. Must have took my timely advice.

    GO HABS.

  12. 1010 says:

    Interesting quote from Higgins. So, like… if they’re not worried because if they play the right way they’re going to win then how about playing the right way rightta way. As in right now so this does’nt turn into a four game losing streak.

    GO HABS.

  13. Shiloh says:

    And that’s hard for him to do.

  14. Shiloh says:

    And just like the great guy who’s marrying my niece this Fall, you’re a Habs fan from the Rock.

    Three guys are walking down the street in St. John’s. They see that a new restaurant has opened and there’s a big sign in the window advertising Lobster Tail and Beer.

    “Jayzus”, says one of the guys, “my three favourite things”

  15. Shobud says:

    Some beautiful coaching again from carbo.. Latenderness on the power play… And when he puts on the kovi line he takes markov off and puts on the breeze..He gets worse every game..

  16. originalsix says:

    If you’re allowed to install applications on your work computer then you can do the following.

    1) Download and install TVU for Windows @ (you have to accept the agreement, and it will prompt you to save it)

    2) Go to the TVU streaming link @

    Click one of the green links, it will launch TVU and start to stream the game.

    Best of Luck

  17. Shiloh says:

    My glasses are fine and I didn’t comment on Huet. I think Price is the real deal, but I am basing my comment on what I have seen on RDS, what I saw in Hamilton and reports in the Hamilton papers. Healy said that he thought Price is playing too deep and that he needed to play more to establish a comfort zone.

    So yeah, I’m for real. Are you?

  18. Shiloh says:

    Price is very deep in his net – makes him look small. He is going down on every shot as well. Hope he pitches a shutout tonight.

  19. Shiloh says:

    How about even up for Latendresse?

  20. The Teacher says:

    I should have said Western Canadian from the WHL or OHL.

  21. Smart Dog says:

    On the other hand, our internal circadian clocks tend to run closer to 25 hours making it easier to adjust to time zone changes going from East to West giving Eastern teams and advantage in making that adjustment.

    Also a fact.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  22. The Teacher says:

    Ahh, good catch 😉 HIO

    This is in response to wd40’s post way below, for some reason I misplaced my post.

    “I think the euro comment is unfounded. seems to me, the “euros” have been carrying this team this year, no?”

    Yes it is kind of unfounded. The problem is we don’t have enough guys who want to be physical, so it is kind of crimping the Euro’s style a tad.

    I don’t want to make a “we need Canadian boys” post, but maybe it’s safe to say we do as we already have the European talent. We need to supplement it with gritty role players, whom are often Canadian and on a smaller scale American and European.

    Lapperierre would be a good addition, but he likes it there and I think the Avs like him as well.

    Hunter would be nice, but again, only if he resigns. I’m not a fan of trading assets for rentals.

  23. The Teacher says:

    It was kicked in with a clear kicking motion. IMO it never should have been allowed. He brought his skate back and swung forward to make clear contact that propelled the puck into the net. It was not a re-direct by any fathomable means.

  24. Chuck says:

    Conversley, you could say that the schedule works in their favour because they then have longer homestands:

    >> A seven-gamer that they have when this road trip finishes up
    >> A seven-in-eight gamer to end October
    >> A six-in-seven stretch to start January
    >> And a five-in-six gamer (the “road” gamer being in L.A.) to round out the season.


    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  25. ClaytonM says:

    I see where you’re coming from and I agree for the most part. It seems Kovalev is the only guy who knows how to forecheck lately. Everyone else skates in the general direction of the puck carrier but never engages them one on one. They challenge the point man but never get close enough to force a rushed pass or shot. They send one guy in alone to forecheck so even if it was successful in causing a turnover, they’re in the neutral zone and it just delays things. It’s frustrating to watch.

    But what guys like Begin might be afraid of is to be seen as neglecting their backchecking assignments, something Carbo & Co. are big on. They need to release the hounds and go for it.

  26. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    the schedule cannot and will not EVER be fair…
    have you looked at a map lately?

    but let me say this…EVERY EASTERN team that has to fly WEST is at a DISADVANTAGE, because of TIME ZONES and HEADWINDS which make the flight LONGER.

    now thats a FACT.
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  27. joe-hab-nuno says:

    yesterday was clearly akicking motion

  28. joe-hab-nuno says:

    a few a couple of times….i remember a few times that only a hand full showed up, even one time Muller had to join.
    I pretty sure he’ll be traded, i think Montreal is one tean on the top list but i am 100% sure Ryder is not involved, more like Higgins in package. I don’t think i’m ready to part with Higgins i really like his attitude.

  29. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    like they don’t know by now…

    funny thing is CARB and GAINEY (by their actions) DO NOT KNOW.
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  30. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    but the play is to make the HIT…when they turn they are already out of the play and they did NOTHING.

    The game is 60 minutes, and if our hitters aren’t hitting then who do you think will be worn out first? US.

    so when BEGIN and company turn away from a hit, the opposition can play with a free mind, no fatigue, no fear…turns into their game.

    that is why we cannot play 60mins, our top players are being worn out because our grinders/hitter are not doing their job.

    We don’t need Begin and company to be fresh in the third…we need Kovy,Kosty, Koviu’s to be though…

    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  31. joe-hab-nuno says:

    yesterday i posted that i think it’s the first time i saw a team trying to protect a 2-2 tie with 15 min left in the 3rd period….

  32. Chuck says:

    Any Habs miss the game day skate? :)


    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  33. Chuck says:

    …or are in a tie.


    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  34. Chuck says:

    Great. Thanks for giving all of our secrets away.


    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  35. Chuck says:

    If I remember correctly, the rule was changed to it having to be a distinct kicking motion for the goal to be disallowed, which of course would be easier to spot than a subtle re-direct with the skate… all to make the call more black-and-white rather than a judgement call.

    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  36. joe-hab-nuno says:

    Now for the Hab topic

    I only pray for 2 things each time they play.

    1- Play hard for 60 min

    If they win , i’m the happiest hab fan out there.
    If they lose, I’m proud they played hard and tried.

    2- Stop trying to shut down teams when you have a lead

  37. krob1000 says:

    I like the idea of the skate not being able to leave the ice. The “kicking motion” stuff is stupid. If the skate stays on the ice-goal.

  38. joe-hab-nuno says:

    Sorry guys, but this is of topic on the habs, but what do you guys think about that crap goal for Carolina. I talking about the goal of the skate. The oficial ruling was that the puck went in because of the velocity of the pass and not caused by the skate. I for one think it was a stupid ruling. I for one beleive if you move your foot in such a way to try and redirect the puck in the net, the goal should not stand. I guess the idiots in the war room in TO had to award the goal because of the goal Sundin scored a few games back and was good. Just total crap, what idiots run this league.

  39. JF says:

    I can’t stand hearing players say things like, “We weren’t skating the last three games” and “We were outworked.” What are they paid for if not to skate and work hard for 60 minutes? There are no excuses for not coming out hard and giving it everything they’ve got. If we do that, we have a chance to beat any team in the league; if not, the teams below us will win easily and we’ll see our playoff hopes slipping away.

    I’m going to miss tonight’s game and, they way the team has been playing lately, I’m not sorry. I just hope that when I come home, I’ll learn that they’ve won or at least gotten a point. I can’t stand watching them play badly.

  40. Scotty90 says:

    and I was thinking it was the beer!

    see ya Krob.

  41. ClaytonM says:

    It tells me they choose to stay in the play at times instead of going for the hit. While I disagree with that at times, especially in the 1st period when they should be softening up the other team, I can see why they decide to stay in the play. The fact is if we had Charlie Manson on a 4th line it still wouldn’t stop our opponents from playing the body against our finesse skaters. The playoffs are almost here, and every Eastern team we face will be fighting for a spot. What we need is to have our guys, Koivu, Plekanec, Kovalev, Kostitsyns and Higgins, adjust to the new style ASAP. Otherwise we’ll limp into a playoff spot and get bounced quickly.

  42. HAB-PROFESSOR says:


    1.Elbow Kovalev in the head
    2.Drop the gloves and punch KostyjR in the head
    3.Toss Koivu around like a rag doll with many facewashes
    4.Look at Brisbrois menacingly and he’ll cower in the corner on his knees saying the rosary.
    5.Shoot flimsy pucks at the net


    You are safe when you play the HABS.

    Message to BOB/GUY…rectify this problem and the TALENT will flourish and we will be true contenders.

    oh…and of course if we score 3-4 goals in a flurry (as we’ve done) then we DO have a chance to win even with those 5 items against us….to bad that doesn’t happen every game.

    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  43. habfan53 says:

    Gee nightmare after reading all the Brisebois bashers on this site for the last 48 hours I thought we were knee deep in defencemen. But I agree 2 out of the lineup (Hamrlik and O’Byrne) and we can’t win.
    Although I think lack of effort has a lot to do with it as well.

  44. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    and there is a reason for “LACK OF CONSISTENT EFFORT”.

    our talent players are being slapped around and there is no GRINDERS OR FIGHTERS to clear the air and make space for them.


    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  45. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    you can wake up from your dream now..
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  46. Vid says:

    So what exactly is the all time Panthers vs Habs win-loss record?

    I can’t seem to find it anywhere. It’d be interesting to see the lifetime win-loss records of the Habs vs every other NHL team too.

  47. Praj12 says:

    Yes it is time for Price to take the bull by the horns and make hueT sit for a while. Price cannot complain if hueT is getting all the games. He needs to step it up and start a winning streak of his own. Focus man focus!!

  48. Habhopeful says:

    jeff carter would be a good addition for 3rd or 4th line checker, he’s rfa, boyle could be a good addition on D, he’s ufa and last nite he stated on rds that Montreal would be a team he would play for, hossa would be a good add on the wing but i think jokinen would help this team 100%, then again, i know im just ****ing around and bored

  49. HabsFanInTampa says:

    I totally agree, Oleg. I watched the game in person last night and the Habs looked a step slower than the Lightning after the first period and the remainder of the game. Whose bright idea was it to fly into the Sunshine State on Sunday morning? Like you said, the Canadiens don’t particularly play well in Florida and the partying Sunday evening into Monday morning certainly didn’t help. We lost two points to a team in last place in the Eastern Conference. Not acceptable when the Sens are running away with the Division AND conference AND acquiring playmakers.

  50. Wayne says:

    I agree with Mr Lube
    I’m gonna go off on a small tangent here and say this;
    While i feel that comment wasn’t offensive, i do feel it to be completely unfounded in today’s NHL. On the whole, European players (by that i mean; Scandanavian, Russian, German, etc) have matched and in many cases, surpassed not only the skill level of N.American players but now, also, display real GRIT coveted by so-called nay sayers in the game who still hold the “Euros are wimps” attitude. Look at Malkin, Ovechkin, Sundin, Koivu, Kovalev,.. the list goes on. These guys take a lickin’ every night comparable to the Iginlas the Shanahans and Lecavaliers (wow, sounds like “Braveheart 3001”). The bottom line is, the notion just doesn’t hold true and in my opinion, went down with Samuelsson the day Domi dropped him.
    Sure, European players are less likely to drop the gloves but it may be that it has more to do with the hockey system players are brought through over there,.. than outright cowardice.

  51. Oleg Petrov says:

    I have to question the decision to schedule the rookie dinner on the florida trip – the Habs traditionally don’t play well in Florida and this is the time to schedule a party paid for by the rookies? why can’t they do it earlier in the year, maybe just before the all-star break as opposed to giving away 2 points? The habs were totally dominated last night and you have to think the rookie party played a role in the players performance. The vets on the team need to be smarter than that.

  52. nightmare_49 says:

    Habhopeful – What will the other teams do while this is happening , stand and applaud. First of all , the Habs are not deep in defensemen and won’t be for two years when the new flock of “D” we have drafted start to graduate. then we have the salary cap issue. I don’t think this is possible but it was good thinking on your part. Panthers owner has talked to Jokinen to try and smooth things over so he may not be available till summer if he is.

  53. Oleg Petrov says:

    I, for one, am enjoying the journey that is the Montreal Canadiens this season. I thought last night was brutal and I fully expect the ups and downs of the season. I don’t expect a Stanley Cup this year but I am looking forward to the playoffs.

    The maturation of the rookies, the struggle to push out some of the vets is all part of it. They can’t just hand it over to the rookies – you have to push and push hard to get a Smolinski or a Brisebois out of the lineup. It may not be fair but when the rook finally arrives, he will be stronger for it because of the work that was required instead of having it handed to him.

    Chipchura is going to be a stronger player for being sent to Hamilton, same with O’Byrne, Valatenko – they have to learn how to work and what it takes and this season is part of the lesson. If somebody had said the habs would be challenging for first overall in the east when the season started, wouldn’t everybody have taken that? and they are doing it in a year where they are breaking a lot of rookies onto the team.

  54. Oleg Petrov says:

    Don’t forget – Atlanta wants to push for the playoffs as well so Waddell might have been scouting Tampa Bay, who are thought to be interested in moving some of their players.

  55. Scotty90 says:

    Hi Krob, during the game last night they showed Wadell, and they also showed Gainey who, by the way, was on his cell phone….. and I’m sure he wasn’t ordering pizza. So, I am crossing my fingers.

  56. nightmare_49 says:

    Shiloh – You must want to see those pictures of Carbo really bad.

  57. nightmare_49 says:

    The toronto sports network have hired John Ferguson Jr. as an analyst and are you surprised,lol.

  58. Rastaman says:

    Maybe Price can start to live up to the billing and steal one for us tonight…god knows we could use it. We had a similar downward spiral earlier in the season with the Dallas debacle, the bad loss to Detroit and then the Caps OT loss. I thought at that point that we’d fade away, but the boys surprised me and had a HUGE January. Let’s see how we deal with this 2nd round of adversity. I still believe this is a playoff team and definitely one that can play with anyone in the East in a 7 game series. We’ll see.

  59. krob1000 says:

    Hi Scotty,

    Me too… is really hard type like this though (cross fingered).

  60. wd40 says:

    I think the euro comment is unfounded. seems to me, the “euros” have been carrying this team this year, no?

  61. Shiloh says:

    I hope he sits Latendresse and Brisebois.

  62. Cable Guy says:

    Waddell was at this game last night. There must be something to therumours and it must be serious for the GM/Coach to be checking out the Habs. If they are going to pull this deal I wish they would do it soon.

  63. wd40 says:

    i have to agree with you on this. there’s a ton of parity in the NHL right now, especially in the East where you’ve got 10 points between Ottawa in 1st spot, and Buffalo in the 8th and final playoff spot. 5 more teams are within striking distance, and quite honestly, even the Leafs and TB are surging (ok, perhaps a strong word ;)).

    i think you hit the nail on the head, the biggest difference i can see in the past week and a half is the lack of consistent effort and desire. that, and perhaps Huet is looking a little tired (although i have to say he pulled off some amazing saves last night).

  64. Habhopeful says:

    I would like to see this, now this is just my opinion and i think it would look good no need to take this seriously, I’d like to see if anyone else would be willing to do this…Koivu, ryder and O’byrne trade for Olli Jokinen and during the off season sign Marion Hossa, next year would be the perfect time to win a cup (knock on wood) i still love koivu, but i think he needs a change, ryder definatley needs to go and O’byrne is expandable as we have good defensive prospects coming up…Better to sign hossa during trhe off season so we dont have to give anyone else up, and hopefully pick up some grit along the way…anyways we better win tonight, i’m gonna be positive about tonight and say we win 4-2…Just Watch

  65. HABZ 24 says:

    flo’s hot latley, we never play good in flo.give halak a shot.come on guys get it going.

  66. planet habs says:

    I’m really frustrated with this team. Hey we’re losing to teams in 14th and 15th place. Why can’t this team play 60 minutes of hockey? it’s one thing to lose when you put in the effort, but when you don’t, and have that lazy lacklustre effort, it drives mr crazy. I just can’t take 2 years in a row without playoffs. There’s no reason not to compete.
    Maybe too many euros on this team.

  67. Praj12 says:

    Michael McGeough is a knob. He called all the penalties last night. I think that Shick forgot to bring out his whistle last night. Is it just me or was McGeough trying to screw us all night?? Anyways, we beat not only the panthers but also the refs!! GO HABS GO.

  68. wd40 says:

    there was that “weird” face-off voilation / delay-of-game penalty against Pleks in the 3rd

    On the whole, there were 13 penalties called in the game, 6 to each team during regulation, and 1 to FLA in the OT (which was well deserved I might add).

    1st: 1 Each
    2nd: 3 MTL, 2 FLA
    3rd: 2 MTL, 3 FLA
    OT: 1 FLA

  69. habfan53 says:

    How can you say McGeough had in in for Montreal He called 3 penaties against Florida in the 3rd period and 1 in overtime.

  70. POPS says:

    I have often said on this site that Gainey deals with little or no fanfare. He holds his cards very close to his vest.Therefore, I can’t see Hossa in MTL.I do think that MTL would be smart to look a the possibility of adding a Holik (my preference),Handzus,Fedorov, or maybe even Recchi.Holik,Fedorov, and Recchi all bring rings and a great deal of playoff experience.Recchi is also friends with Koivu and could clearly be the spark that gets that line going.I look forward to this trade deadline because I feel that for the first time in a long time we are close to becoming an elite team with the right moves. Adding a Holik and a Recchi is cheap and will give us some great depth and character.

  71. showey47 says:

    Laffs officially last in the conference, gotta love maurice’s prediction about making the playoffs and contending for the cup.

  72. nightmare_49 says:

    The Dawgs were beat 5 to 2 by the marlies the farm club of the cellar dwelling lafs. Milroy and Stewart scored for the Hamilton Bulldogs. Jaro Halak stopped 23 of 27 and the marlies had a empty netter as halak took the loss.

  73. G-Man says:

    Holik has been a MAJOR disappointment for Atlanta (too slow) and Recchi is simply too old. Experience, sure, but long past the prime of their careers. Handzus, however, looks interesting.


  74. nightmare_49 says:

    Team insurance.

  75. Jim M says:

    Smart Dog

    Would you really trade a soon-to-be franchise goalie for Hossa, a player who isn’t even a top-20 forward? Gainey would not even consider it. Price is not going anywhere.

  76. Habhopeful says:

    Pittsburgh and Philli lost tonight which is a good thing…

    “Like, you can’t get a girl pregnant when she’s on top man, I mean, its gravity…Just can’t happen.”

    -Seth Rogen

  77. hhl says:

    one game does not make the season.hey 19 players did not score againts tampa,thats the reason why we lost.

  78. Shiloh says:

    Does anybody think we should be a three-line team with the fourth line thrown out only a few times a game? I think Koivu and Higgins (and Ryder if he gets another shot) might play themselves up a notch with more ice time.

  79. Shobud says:

    Besides it been bad they have two refs now and two linesman.. But none of them can pick up a broken stick off the ice.. Someone will get hurt and then they will smarten up

  80. Smart Dog says:

    WHY WE NEED A TRADE (and what kind of trade we need):

    When I was in college I took this course called “animal behavior”. Once we watched films Jane Goodall shot in her ground-breaking work with chimps. One of the clips was from Christmas day where Goodall had put out a huge “Christmas tree” covered in stacks of bananas (chimps really DO love bananas). One of the chimps had a big stack of these in his arms and kept stooping to pick up more. But he had as many as he could possibly carry. So every time he’d pick up one to put on his pile another would fall off.. he kept doing this over and over while we all laughed at the chimps limited capacity to understand the situation.

    Before you talk trade you have to look at what you can and can’t hold on to. We are like that chimp in net where by most accounts we have 3 or possibly even 4 potential number 1 goalies. Where else? In wingers where we have some sitting in the press box on any given night. For those who want to hold on to ALL of our players, I say – why bother holding on where we don’t have the capacity anyway. Why not trade 3 guys for 1 where it mostly consists of players where we have surplus? When you’ve done a good job developing players you can’t hold on to ALL the good players in your organization. We’re fortunate to be in that position (even though, some of our players are young and not full-fledged NHLers yet).

    On the other hand – this needs to be said too – with the young team we have, there may already be a future Hossa, Lecalvalier, Redden, or Kovalchuk in our line-up. So trading away our young stars is not a great idea… UNLESS we can’t keep them anyway (remember we’ve lost players on wavers for nothing before).

    But – if you could trade away 1 young star, plus some excess including a goalie which we have too many of, and a stalled winger (Ryder, Higgins), or a prospect and get a bona-fide sniper in return why in the world wouldn’t you? Would it be better to try to keep everyone and have some in the press box, others stacked up in Hamilton, unhappy to be stuck there, others lost on wavers?

    And if no star is available for that price… at LEAST make 1 trade to ship off one of our goalies and stalled players to make room for others while in return adding a gritty player to this team that needs it front AND back because:
    – at the back we’ve seen how the team suffers without Hamrliks grit
    – at the front, having S. Kostitsyn do battle is a huge mistake; LaPierre is a pest but not tough; Kostopoulos has heart but is not a heavyweight and sits half the games anyway (there’s that backlog again).

    Thanks for getting to the bottom of this long post. After that I need a banana!

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  81. mrstewart61 says:

    Would the Habs have a better, equal or worse record with a Price/Halak tandem. It’s hard to say for sure, but what do we Habs fans think? I say we would be in 8th spot (which every week is a different team). Comments?

  82. mrstewart61 says:

    I agree we may have a Hossa or Redden type in our system, but Lecavalier and Kovalchuk types are easy to spot. S. Kostitsyn could definitely be one of those. Jacques Demers is really high on SK74. He was praising his vision and intelligence last night after the game. Certainly a steal of a draft pick. Now we just have to get him the right type of linemates. :)

  83. showey47 says:

    With that kind of vision and playmaking abilities. Does anyone think sergei would make a better center than winger, especailly if he can win some draws?

  84. Shobud says:

    I would do it in a min. if someone was stupid enough to go for it..I agree it is the smart thing but I don’t think we will find a taker

  85. mrstewart61 says:

    Just looking at the standings and here are my observations. The difference after 58 games each, statisically speaking, between Montreal and Ottawa is 4 regulation wins for OTT vs. 4 OT losses for Mon – 4point diff. Same number of losses(19). Ottawa has scored 19 more goals than Montreal, Montreal has allowed 8 fewer than Ottawa. OTT +27, MON +24. So ‘on paper’ they are close. I would take our goaltending over Ottawa’s any day. They certainly have their gamebreakers. I think, from all the wonderful posts on this site, that what we Habs fans want is a more consistent 60 minute effort every game. But they have a lot of young players, so I believe in time they will improve. Look at the improvement of Pleks over his 3 seasons. What will the Kostitsyn brothers be like in 3 years?! O’Byrne, Price, Gorges, Higgy! Ottawa & Anahiem were the finalists last year, but it wasn’t an overnight transformation for either team. We are just coming out of our ‘Dark Ages’ and the future, IMHO, is bright. Let’s just ‘go toward the light’.

  86. Shobud says:

    Everyone thinks Huet is so great,and I don’t know why..Because he is a hab.? He has done nothing in two and a half years so far.. Oh he plays a couple of great games and then tanks for two or three games..A great goaler steps up every game like Roy did when they brought him up

  87. mrstewart61 says:

    I wasn’t espousing him as ‘great’, but you didn’t answer the question. Do you think we would be better off? Winning the Roger Crozier award isn’t ‘nothing’, btw. :) Getting us into the playoffs 2 years ago as well.

  88. mrstewart61 says:

    Possibly, maybe with at least one big winger on his line.

  89. Shobud says:

    I think we would.. It would not be worse.. Halak is very good and did the job before.. And yes he helped us to the playoffs and has never played that well again

  90. showey47 says:

    In all fairness to huet, in his first season with us after coming off knee surgery he did drag our collective sorry asses into the playoffs. He had 7 shutouts in 36 games, 2.20 gaa and .929 save percentage. But this is 2 years later and bob needs to make a decision about the future of our goaltending. Signing huet long term would be a mistake imo. People are saying to give huet a 1 or 2 year contract for the same money or a little more. Put yourself in huet’s shoes, why would he sacrifice cashing in as a ufa on the open market to take a paycut, for less years and possibly not being a starter? In the mean time halak possibly bolts to russia and danis fed up being #4 signs somewhere else. Our depth just disappeared. Like i said before its nothing personal, just business.

  91. Habhopeful says:

    Hey did everyone notice the message Markov tried to send the team at the beginning of the 3rd period by nailing Ville Peltonen, definatley a message sent and received cause markov hardly hits and he brought him down pretty hard…I liiiiiiiiiked it…

  92. wd40 says:

    I don’t think Huet is “so great” but I think you have to let his stats tell a story:

    He’s ranked 9th in SV% (.918) and call it 15th in GAA (2.49) this year. That’s not too shabby in my opinion. He’s no Aebisher: I think you’d be mistaken to blame him for the majority of the Habs losses this season.

    Don’t forget, Patrick won a ton of games and was indisputably a great NHL goaltender, but his stats were not substantially better (and in fact were worse in many seasons). *Fine, he eventually was playing in 60+ games a year, but only after his 7th season.

    This being said, agreed with Showey and others, a long term contract would be a mistake.

  93. 24 Cups says:

    Marc – Just playing devil’s advocate here but what would our perspective be as Habs’ fans if the outcome of our games with Boston this year had been reversed?. We would still be in the Dark Ages trying to get into the final playoff spot and the Bruins would be moving ‘toward the light’:-)

    It’s a fine line between chaos and creation.

    P>S> I’m just being a hotdog – I enjoyed the positiveness of your post.

    The Original 24 Cups

  94. jimbo says:

    And his stats last year was of All Star calibre but our team couldn’t score 5 on 5.Which is why we missed the playoffs.Not because he came back from being injured for a month and a half and lost to the laffs

  95. RS says:

    Looking at the standings, here is my response. Buffalo just might win our division, with Ottawa second (fourth in conference) and Montreal trying to stay in a playoff spot.

  96. RS says:

    Goalies are like bananas, they’re falling from the trees, and there are too many to go around.

    So don’t expect to get much of anything for Huet let alone Halak or Danis. Anybody that wants to trade Price has already fallen out of their tree!

    We might get rid of some of our bananas (I mean players) like Ryder or Dandy, if someone was willing to take them off of our hands.

  97. Jonnyboy says:

    This is what worries me and why if we aren’t signing Huet, Halak needs to know now. The worst case is Price starter with who backing up.

  98. Jonnyboy says:

    Well put. Its sad to trade away the young players we are growing to love. But we need to sometimes. Personally I would like to get Gratton out of TB. I think he would be a great fit.

  99. hhl says:

    i partially agree with you ,but what do you expect from him?everyone thinks hes great when he wins,when he loses, we should trade him.welcome to the habs inside out shobud.i think huet is very inconsistent. he can be unbeatable for 5 to 12 games,then very ordinary for a stretch.not quite consistent enough to be #1. price is a who is going to be hot, is anybody’s guess,including carbo’s.considering the certain goaltending inconsistencies this year,we only lost 19 times. carbo’s doing a great job at trying to work a hot goalie. timing is everything because with all this, you also have to deal with 18 other players whom r going to be up n down.lets hope we can start the playoffs with solid goaltending,therefore i think we should keep huet. that way we have a better shot that one of them will bring his a+ game.go habs.

  100. Gooner says:

    Just read a few posts. I think some people need to settle down here. Price has played one good game that’s it and now you want to trade Huet.I think we better tread softly on this one.

  101. hhl says:

    i think bob has got it under control,but thanks for the concern.huet is worth more to us in the playoffs regadless of his ufa status.after that both halak and danis will probably fight for a spot on the roster next year.n why would we sacrifice a playoff run by trading him?its prob not a matter of making the post season as to how far we rather go with him for a cup than least for this year.we got him for cheap, n we got our moneys worth.

  102. showey47 says:

    So you are willing to start next season with 2 rookie goalies but not the last 24 games plus playoffs? It was a rookie goalie who almost got us in last year, i don’t blame huet for dropping the ball, it was carbo’s decision to start him when he should not have. Huet has 6 career playoff games 2 wins-4 loses. Price is a proven playoff winner and can play under pressure. I will go as far right now as to say that price will be the starter come playoff time. Then it will be the same as last year, the people who were happy we kept souray then say we should of traded him. I respect your opinion as i hope you do mine. Either way i hope we can make a big run at the cup.

  103. Hossa is Coming says:

    Im not a fan of huet right now but I dont think a trade is what is what a lot of us think.

    Some of think that Price is hot right now and Huet needs to take a consistent rest for 2/3 games. Huet has let in 20 goals in the last 5 games. We will not make the playoff if he cannot manage playng more games than he ever has before.


  104. Bouleau noir says:

    It could have been a personalised payback type check but either way it shure acted as a wake-up call for the team big time,… else than just being excellent Markov can on occasion lead the team by surprising everyone lifting them off their seat,… it was one of those occasions and I.. liiiiiiked it too…

  105. wd40 says:

    agreed… Lindy Ruff has got the Sabres playing some *very* inspired hockey (hottest team in the league right now) and believe me, after the personnel changes he had every excuse if they tanked.

    as for the Habs, i just can’t wrap my brain around the possibility that the best we can hope for is clinging to a playoff spot. :)

  106. Gooner says:

    I can agree with that.

  107. habfan53 says:

    Sorry Showey were did you see Price’s winning NHL playoff record????
    There are a ton of players who can light up the minors but can’t make it in the NHL. EX: Darren Haydar wins AHL scoring title, and league MVP and can’t crack the Atlanta line-up.

  108. showey47 says:

    True, but huet has only 6 games in the playoffs. Hardly a reason to hand it to him. Price has proven he can play an entire playoff run and thrive under pressure like the world juniors, meanwhile, most people shudder about playing huet against the laffs on hnic. Last year price played 82 games in total, thats what huet plays in 2 years. I have nothing against huet, i think he is a good goalie but he wouldn’t be my choice to carry the team on a long, grueling playoff run. I guess thats what makes this site so fun, if we all felt the same way it would sure would be boring.

  109. wd40 says:

    I don’t know who can say Price is “hot” after 1 win, but maybe I need an MRI. Yes, he’s got an amazing track record up until now, Bob and the scouts saw something special in this kid, but he is still an unknown quantity at the NHL level. I do believe he’s the future #1 man for us, but what I question is if we can sleep easy letting Huet go now and look to Price and Halak (or…) to take us the rest of the way and onto next year.

    Hammer, come back soon. We miss you.

  110. Habhopeful says:

    Im sorry Showey but Price a Proven Playoff Winner?…Like I said and ill say it again I like Price but he is no way a proven playoff winner…The world juniors and the Ahl playoffs…Whole different story compared to the NHL playoffs, but i understand, I think he would be clutch when it comes to the playoffs but only time will tell as for now we cant call him that

  111. habfan53 says:

    I don’t think Montreal is going to have a long playoff run no matter who is in nets.

    By the way that 6 game series 6 games played 2.33 gaa .929 sv%
    Montreal was leading series 2-1 before Saku got the stick in the eye and NOBODY picked up the slack

  112. Vecs says:

    The team let in 20 goals

  113. Habhopeful says:

    I think it would be good for us to have 2 goalies in the playoffs, if one doesnt live up to the hype then we have another one who may be capable of carrying the team,

  114. krob1000 says:

    They were looking for his eye.

  115. showey47 says:

    Is he worth keeping him then just to lose him for nothing in the off season if we are just gonna lose in the first round. Instead of using our most tradable asset, from our deepest position to add to our position of weakeness? Like a big 3rd line center who can win draws or a scoring 2nd line winger. Hey don’t get me wrong, i love huet just like every one else. I feel that i’m looking at the bigger picture.

    If anyone thinks that huet is gonna stay here for a 1 or 2 year deal for less money and possibly a non starter will probably be disappointed. He is gonna be looking for his retirement contract.

    But who knows, the playoffs is a crapshoot anyone can win or at least get to the cup, just ask the oilers.

  116. mrstewart61 says:

    I agree… it “just might” happen as you say. But then again, it may not. Buffalo played really well for a stretch earlier in the season then lost 9 in a row. now they are playing great again. I bet Buffalo fans have been positive and negative just as we have. This league just has so much parity.

  117. habfan53 says:

    You know after reading a lot of the post here over the last couple of months the biggest problem we have in being HABFANS is we continue to compare certain players to icons and colored memories of the past.

    For example for a lot of you todays whipping boy is Christobal Huet. He can’t carry us to the playoffs, he lets in soft goals, my favorite one today is he has NEVER won us a game. The problem is we are comparing him to the MEMORY of St-Patrick. and with the exception of Martin Brodeur there is not a goalie in the league NOT ONE that could carry his skates.

    Again other than Brodeur name me a playoff goalie? Hasek not since 2002
    Ward was a hero for one playoff season missed the playoff the following year. Montreal has had there share of one season wonders too does anybody remember Steve Penney??

    Another favorite was comparing Markov, Hamrlik and Komisarek to the big three of the seventies PLEASE as of right now none of these three have Hall of Fame credentials and only one MIGHT ever make it. Robinson, Savard and Lapointe are all there as well as Rod Langway..

    Another fan favorite is Patrice Brisebois our number 6 or 7 defencemen.
    Which of the following would you rather have : Eric Charron, Jean-Jacques Daigneault,Donald Dufresne,Kevin Haller or Sean Hill ALL of whom partnered with Brisebois and Eric Desjardins, Lyle Odelin and Rob Ramage the last time Montreal won the cup.

    As I said in an earlier post I don’t think we will have a long ride in the playoffs I beleive we are 2 or 3 players and 1 or 2 years of experience away, but I will watch every game, CHEER, SWEAR LAUGH CURSE and CRY because I AM A FANatic.

    Love ya all

  118. mrstewart61 says:

    Very good point. But if we put away all the what ifs, good and bad, the Habs right now are 4 points out of first in the conference. That’s a fact, to quote our ‘friend’. I hope nobody thinks I’m saying we are a lock to make the playoffs, but if I was on another planet since October and just returned, I would be very happy with the standings and wouldn’t care how they got there.

  119. mrstewart61 says:

    Would the TEAM have made it with Theodore?

  120. nightmare_49 says:

    Is Mathieu Schneider chopped liver.

  121. habfan53 says:

    I understand and agree to a certain point. BUT if this team does not make the playoffs NOW and without Huet I don’t think we would. Then the uproar on this site would rival the 1906 earthquake in San Fran.
    Remember Gainey held on to Souray last year in hopes of making the playoffs we got nothing for him except when he would not resign we got Hamrlik sometimes things just work out.

  122. habfan53 says:

    Missed 1 name, I’M so ashamed but I think you get my point

  123. KerryPrice says:

    I hate to tell you boys but Huet is gone one way or another. If he sticks out the season, remains healthy, and plays the way he has been playing, he is going to get a contract offer from some team probably for four years i am guessing. Montreal are definatly not going to offer him that long for a deal. He is getting older, a UFA , and probably his one and only chance to cash. He would be stupid not to take it, its what every player works for, the payday!! He is not taking a discount to stay here unless him and his agent live under a rock!! So why not look into getting something for him. Don’t get me wrong i like him as a goalie and he has held us in the hunt when healthy for the last two seasons, however, he is as good as gone so why not? The habs have just as much chance with Price in the playoffs as they do with Huet. We are not supposed to be the cup champions this year anyways so anything we do in the playoffs ( one or two rounds) will be a bonus for the city and the fans.

  124. wd40 says:

    i like this line from Richard Labbé’s article in Cyberpresse (my translation):

    “No, it wasn’t Huet that collected the win last night in Sunrise. Instead, it’s the Savior who was between the pipes. The Coach made this decision because his veteran gave away one too many gifts to Tampa’s players Tuesday night. And, because his veteran’s performance was eclipsed by a certain Karri Romo, very well known by his parents and his pizza delivery boy.”

    on another note, just had a look at the schedule and, whoo-boy! the last 8 games of the season are as follows:

    Mar-20 Montreal @ Boston
    Mar-22 Boston @ Montreal
    Mar-24 Ottawa @ Montreal
    Mar-28 Montreal @ Buffalo
    Mar-29 Montreal @ Toronto
    Apr-01 Montreal @ Ottawa
    Apr-03 Buffalo @ Montreal
    Apr-05 Toronto @ Montreal

  125. Leclerc1965 says:

    Your all killin me with this collective bickering. I respect your opinions but you all sound like a bunch of old women in a cribbage game. Bottom line, we weren’t expecting much out of this year regarding any Stanley Cup talk. Trade Huet now, get the center or winger everyone clammors about and give this job to Price. Those of you who do not think he is ready is either on crack or you don’t know s*** about hockey.

  126. Leclerc1965 says:

    uh…… what?

  127. wd40 says:

    Rushing? you mean, by letting him play?

  128. mrstewart61 says:

    That’s gonna be tough. Boston is due against us.

  129. wd40 says:

    boston is due, toronto always plays us tough, buffalo is the hottest team in the league right now, and ottawa has our number. GUT CHECK TIME. :)

  130. Shobud says:

    You say knocking him lately I have had no faith in him since last year and have said so I don’t think he is that good .. Everyone says he holds up the team.. How many times have the team saved him from a loss..

  131. mrstewart61 says:

    I hear ya! There’s no guarantee on the playoffs.

  132. Shobud says:

    And Huet does not give up rebounds.? Only like three out of four shots

  133. wd40 says:

    if we can get back to the form we had during that stretch of 16 games between Dec 27th and Feb 2nd where we only lost 2 games in regulation, it’s a different story. the last 6 games sure has people asking questions and i have to agree with you…

  134. mrstewart61 says:

    We played such a solid game defensively then, I just wonder what happens to the team??!!

  135. Bouleau noir says:

    Above all other criteria the 60 minutes effort remains our best bet to stay in the race,… we dont have the all the cards of the 2 previous cup champions neither the solid scoring depth it gaved them.

    Pleks’s progression is phenomenal and shouldn’t be expected as a rule for our other draftees,… lets face it Anahein’s winning profile and true scoring depth came together as a result of using all the venues accessible to team building,… it wasn’t just good drafting (Getzlav, Penne) but also good trading (Pronger, Beauchemin), timely UFA signing ( Nierdemyer, Selanne),.. superb scouting to find undrafted players ( Mc-Donnald and Penner ) and the successfull wayving of Kunitz,… ok despite the wrong spelling of most player’s names you get my point… and my point is.. good drafting despite being crucial remains only but one aspect of what an organization needs to do to in order to built a genuine cup contending team… the more the venues the betters,.. it is needed not only to quantum leaped into a contender but to remain there throught renewal year after year.

  136. showey47 says:

    Ouch, tough final 8 games

  137. wd40 says:

    course he’s no Aebischer …that guy was actually *made* of rubber.

  138. 93miraclecup says:

    on the other hand, the Leafs may be playing the Marlies roster by the last week of the season or better yet, Raycroft in net, in an attempt to nail down the top draft pick.
    And if Boston is due against the Habs, the Habs are due against Ottawa and Buffalo.
    If we can’t hold our own against those teams, we’re not going anywhere in the playoffs anyway and we may as well know that going in.
    No more defeatist attitude. Habs kick ass.

  139. A. Berke says:

    Reading all the arguments (most quite heated) in the “Habs Battle of goalies” in this thread, let me point out a simple fact:

    Both Rogatien Vachon and Ken Dryden took over the goalie duties (as rookies) just before the playoffs begun. And YES they both won the cup in those years (if I remember well).

    So, my question is: why some Huet fans are fighting tooth ‘n nail against the duo of Price/Halak protecting the goal from here on while trading Huet in order to get a decent player we need?

    Price needs to get as much NHL experience as possible in order to be the #1 goalie in the near future. Where else is he going to get that experience?

    In all probability, common sense says that Huet will not be around come July. Just put yourselves in his shoes and claim (with a straight face) that you’ll sign up with Habs for 1 or 2 years contract at a reduced dollar amount instead of going to another team offering more money and a longer contract? Especially keeping in mind that this may very well be his “retirement contract”. He’s not a stupid person.

    If I were in charge, I would chose not to go to the playoffs (assuming we’ll make it there) with Huet and trade him. IMHO, he’s not very reliable or consistent. He buckles under pressure, is notorious for giving up soft/lousy goals that help the opposing teams catch-up to us or puts the team in a hole in a hurry.

    On the other hand, admittedly he makes some excellent saves at times but how good are those saves after the team has lost the lead and/or is in a hole?

    This is a business first and there’s not much room for emotional opinions, please keep that in mind.


    Ali B.

  140. Hoegarden says:

    It’s a very touchy situation indeed.
    Should we lose both Huet (UFA or trade) and Halak (European Super League) then our young Price will be the Major at the Gate and Danis (is he really NHL ready ?) his backup next year.

    I’m sure Gainey and Gauthier are pondering the issue as we approach Feb 26th. We should enjoy having both of them in the line-up. This may not last much longer.

  141. mrstewart61 says:

    It is touchy. Do we want to lose Huet for nothing, like Souray? Edmonton’s 1st rounder right now looks pretty good. No matter what Bob does, he can’t make us all happy. :)

  142. habfan53 says:

    Sorry you are slighly mistaken Rogie did NOT win the cup.
    It was 1967 and Punch Imlach called him a Junior B goalie , Montreal fans called him “the Kid from Palmoral”

    Fortunately it was T.O.’s last cup

  143. habfan53 says:

    And I ask you would Carolina have won had Koivu not been hurt?? We’ll never know

  144. showey47 says:

    If we are playing the wings or the ducks, that means we are in the cup final. Not much to complain about.

  145. 46_14_27 says:

    Can we talk a bit about officiating instead of getting rid of one of our core players for a moment?
    I’m not sure I have ever seen such poor refereeing in my entire life. It was better before the lock out I swear. And this platoon system of reffing is for the birds. They make more bad calls together than they ever did by themselves. That call on Pleks last nite was absolutely insane. The whole idea of making delay of game calls is to stop players from delaying the game. If the ref makes calls like that, is it not delaying the game? Again it’s insane. Don’t even get me started on the goal that was called back on Detroit this week. Another ridiculous call.

    Go Habs Go

  146. Smart Dog says:

    Hey RS, MrStewart61 – thanks for the great answers to my looonnnggg post about monkeys and bananas and horse-trading. LOL. Made my night.

    Regarding Huet and Price and some of the comments below. I think my view comes down to this – we have too many good goalies. No one knows which one five years from know will show to be the best horse to back. But having all of them in limbo is good for no-one. We need to clear up this situation for the sake of who we keep. And we need to get what we can for at least one when the opportunity arises. If it were me, I would even let Price go for the right deal – an equally rare player like a Hossa. Why not? Everyone thinks Halak is a future all-star goalie? Or even Danis? what we need to do is make the most of what we got while we got it and stop fussing over our goalies like prized roses.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  147. Shobud says:

    He might not have won the cup but he did damm good.. When people think he should br in the hall..

  148. linp says:

    I am one of the few who wants to trade away whatever is needed to get Alexander Ovechkin. He can score all by himself. Since this is not going to happen anytime soon, I would just trade for draft choices. There is always chances to develop a great one.

  149. A. Berke says:

    I stand corrected.

    After looking into club info, Yes he did not win the cup in ’67, his first year when he played 19 regular games and had 6-3 win-loss in the playoffs. Somehow I remembered ’68 being his first year – he could have been considered a rookie in ’68 – I’m not sure though.

    As they say: the memory is the second thing that goes and I don’t remember the first thing!! ;-))

    However, he put his name on the cup in ’68 and the Vezina Trophy together with Gump.

    In any case, what I was saying is there’s nothing wrong with going into playoffs with a young goalie especially if he’s expected to be your future #1. If nothing else he’ll benefit from the experience.


    Ali B.

  150. mrstewart61 says:

    I wouldn’t give up price for Hossa, but I would for Ovechkin. Of course,Washington wouldn’t do that!

  151. mrstewart61 says:

    That’s what makes Brodeur and Roy great goalies. Positoning.

  152. mrstewart61 says:

    I’ve been thinking that all year. I’ve watched games where I just shake my head at the calls and non-calls. And not just the Habs games. I don’t understand that call last night on Pleks??

  153. A. Berke says:

    Since they are second from the bottom in the west, instead of wasting draft choices etc for another goalie, they may chose to end the season with Patrick Lalime.

    IMO our chances of making a trade for Huet would be with teams that are hopeful to make the playoffs and are in need of a goalie.


    Ali B.

  154. A. Berke says:

    Not to mention that Ovechkin stands to make 12 mil+ per year for the next 10 years!

    To have him, we may have to sell the rest of the team.

    However, with the salary that Washington is paying him, the Caps may have to free cap space by trading away a few players, may be some good ones?

    Ali B.

  155. nightmare_49 says:

    It’s unfortunate for Chicago as they were planning to deal him at the deadline.

  156. showey47 says:

    The hawks will be looking to dump some ufa’s like lapointe and perreault. Havlat was rumoured to be available but i don’t know i would risk it due to his injury history.

  157. Ian G Cobb says:

    We are the 3rrd highest scoring team in the league. We need people who can get the puck out of our end, we are 20th in the league with goals against, we need better defensive players. The youngsters are learning, two more years.

  158. Ian G Cobb says:

    That is right Mr. Burk, signing him to that contract insures that Washington will never be a TEAM to compeat for the cup.

  159. linp says:

    I agree with you partially. The past 4 games without Hamrlik, our defense were just dumping the puck out (except Markov). It is a confidence thing. Ovechkin would have attracted so much attention on the ice. Not to say that he can also go end to end.

  160. showey47 says:

    agreed ian, offence wins games but defence wins championships

  161. Hoegarden says:

    This is where Gainey and Gauthier have to do their homework and be selective should one team come calling.
    Caroline is another example; Ward is having a so-so year and Grahame is not exactly turning heads.

  162. Hoegarden says:

    and to add to this, McPhee better have a fatherly chat with his superstar. He may be the most exciting player in the league at the moment but he is playing kamikaze hockey and will get hurt big time sooner or later if the does not simmer down a bit; then what ?

  163. Habs_008 says:

    Here we go, We always seem to play bad against these guys. They are now playing for Zednik, tough game on our worst road trip of the year. I hope coach puts T.K back in.

  164. Wayne says:

    I don’t think they’ll get THAT much mileage from Zed’s situation. But all bets are off if Jokinnen calls out “one for the Gipper!

  165. Mr.Hazard says:


    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  166. RH says:

    While I’m still trying to shake off the effects of that loss last night, I have to wonder how much Richard Zednik’s presence will be missed by the Panthers? Can the Habs breathe a little easier tonight, knowing that they won’t have to worry about his offensive prowess, and can concentrate on Jokinen and Horton?

    The last time these two teams met, #3 got into 3 scraps and broke his thumb. The Habs also walloped the Panthers.

    I hope the boys can come out and salvage, at least, a point tonight. I’d prefer two but, the way they’re playing, anything will do. They NEED to come out hard and play for 60 minutes. Get shots, LOTS OF SHOTS, on net and keep in mind that TEAMWORK goes a long way.

  167. planet habs says:

    we’re losing tonight. we never beat this team. there is something fundamentally wrong with the habs: it’s called CARBONNEAU! he is NOT an NHL coach, and has messed up this team so badly. examples: never takes a timeout when needed, or at inappropriate times like, “when we’re up 6-1 to bruins”. disgusting and shameful! also he benches the wrong players, bad line combinations,can’t motivate his players, no communication with his players,has the wrong players on the ice in crucial situations. He just has NO IDEA HOW TO COACH! he has killed this team since he came on board.
    After all, how many coaches would play a has been, coughupthepuck, SOFT, never fights or hits, defenceman(if you can call him that) like Brisecrap!
    Habs won’t make the playoffs till Carbo is gone as coach! and take Gainey with you! a GM who never makes trades and did absolutely NOTHING in the offseason to improve the habs!

  168. mjames says:

    How is Left Field?


  169. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    I thought your new word “BRISECRAP” is brilliant!!

    as for the comment on Gainey, I disagree. it is wise to build your talent from within if you have it, and we do, just have to be patient.

    but the SOFT play that you mentioned is the heart of the problem with the team, when KOVY is doing more physical work than HIDE BEHIND MOMMY BRISECRAP.
    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  170. ClaytonM says:

    What colour is the sky on this Habs Planet you’re from?

  171. Wayne says:

    ” Brisecrap! ”

    That’s a new one. Poor guy has more pseudonyms that you can shake a hockey stick at. Then again, he makes 700,000 G a year to be a Briseburg to the HMS Canadiens.

  172. krob1000 says:

    Hossa rumours are everywhere on the web today after Waddell attending again.

  173. Habs_008 says:

    What site? send over a link so I can read…thanks!

  174. Habs_008 says:

    I agree RH, they need to play for 60mins, last nite they only played for 20mins. It’s a long season though and teams go in slumps. I hope we come out of this one tonight. We are a better team the Flordia, i am guessing Price is gonna start. He needs to play better in order for us to win. GO Habs GO!

  175. Spartan117 says:

    Damn we have a 3 game losing streak and we are playing the only(correct me here Dave)team to have a winning streak against us… not looking to good for us, too bad for zednick, great player, i always liked him, but i think it may come to our advantage, good thing or not.
    ANyways good luck les boys, and dont lose hope planethabs, Carbo is good, i mean look where we stand, we are just in a slump, and to counter any argument as to why we didnt make it last year its the fault of injuries, NOT coaching, we were almost ther.


  176. Ryan says:

    Yes that’s right, the Florida Panthers are the only team in the NHL with a winning record against Montreal all-time.

  177. Exit716 says:

    Tonight we find out what they are made of.
    Last night except for maybe eight minutes was abysmal.

  178. krob1000 says:

    I know these guys aren’t the most reliable but both teams have needs that make a Hossa trade a good possibility and this is not the first Habs game Waddell has been at. Gainey also happens to be in Florida with the team……you have to wonder.

  179. Habs_008 says:

    Thanks Krob,

    Gainey is in Florida too, so ther is truth to the rumours, Hossa would be a much needed scorer. A scorer we havnt had for ages.

  180. Jay in PA says:

    Higgy gets it right: “We just haven’t been skating the last three games, and it shows.”

    For him to succeed as the player he can be, he needs to be skating all the time and using his energy and strength to win battles and shovel the puck into the net. He doesn’t have Ryder’s hands (though, for what it’s worth, neither does Ryder) and he’s not a playmaker. His game is to outwork and outhustle the other team, and he’s shown that he can do it. The consistency is just not there for him.

    Every team has its slumps (look at Detroit now, and Ottawa just finished theirs). The question is how deep it goes and how long, and that’s up to the coaching team to try and solve. A strong win tonight against a team that has traditionally given us trouble and maybe this last stretch was a shallow recession in a long season. A loss, and it’s time to start the nervous looks toward the lower end of the playoff standings.

  181. ClaytonM says:

    Hey, “Professor”, I read your post on last night’s game. Kovalev was hit by a puck, not a player, hence the swollen upper lip he had on the close-up at the end of the third. Lecavalier looked worse at the start of the season when he got hit by one too. Before you start calling for blood in retaliation, make sure you get the facts right.

    As for the constant Brisebois bashing, why don’t you take a swipe at Markov for losing the puck to Lecavalier for the 3rd Tampa goal? Could it be because it takes less effort and attention to the play to target Breezer instead?

  182. Shiloh says:

    Et le Buuuuuuut!!! Kovalev – yes.

  183. linp says:

    I have the feeling that our team will start playing as a team again once Hamrlik is back. The past few games, our defense lacks confidence. The only D-man who can make a good pass is Markov. If what our D-men can do is dumping the puck, our forwards will spend the whole shift chasing after the opponent.

  184. Shobud says:

    I thought OByrne played a good game and made some nice passes He was one of the better D men tonight Of corse Markov was great as always

  185. T-roy West says:

    Just my two cents worth:

    1. Glad we got the two points. We really needed that.
    2. Koivu, stop taking hooking penalties especially when the game is on the line, your supposed to be our captain dammit!
    3. Lets get tougher please!
    4. Lappierre, you are a pussy. I would give up five of him for one Chris Neil. Act like a man for once.
    5. Gainey – if your intention is not to make any major changes at the trade deadline and go with the team that we have than why not let Huet go for draft picks or prospects to get the piece we’re missing for the future. I mean if you don’t take this season serious than you might as well make the future look even brighter. Besides, Price and Halak can handle it!

  186. showey47 says:

    I totally agree with all your points, especailly number 5. Huet is gonna want a 3 year deal minimum, we don’t need him that long. Why not cash in with prospects,draftpicks or a roster player. We can also use that money to resign our core players

  187. P St. Pierre says:

    Point #5 is right on the money. I would really like to see Huet traded for something of value. The current team will not beat Ottawa and therefore will not advance to the Cup finals. Huet has been terrific this season, but pulling a Souray and keeping him because they are still contending would be a waste of an opportunity. They need to move him now and let Price play the rest of the season. It will be great preparation for next year when he’s the main man anyways.

    The only reason I can see Gainey not moving him is if there isn’t enough of a market for his services among playoff bound teams. If Gainey doesn’t feel that he’s getting fair value for Huet, he may hold onto him on the off chance the Canadiens can pull off some upsets in the playoffs and go for the Cup.

  188. ClaytonM says:

    Regarding your 5th point – Do you think we could trade Huet to the laffs for their 1st round pick? :)

  189. Erik says:

    What an exilerting win!!!! Way to go HABS!!!!

  190. habsgod says:

    we won this game and we shouldn’t have!but that is the sign of a good team!!we played bad but kept getting chances and we finally took advantage of them!carey price is starting to look like the dominate goalie that we all thought he’d be!ryan o’byrne looked really good again!man he is steady back there and once he gets hamrlik back with him we will be even better and finally brisebois will be done!once again thank -you kovalev your awesome what a shot and nice goal!!we still need one more goalscorer for koivu and higgins!!btw way to go higgins your offically out of your slump!!way to work hard and not quiting and giving up and the result is back to back games with goals!that’s the difference between you and ryder !!you never quit working and he just disappears!and will disappear for good before feb26!hurry back hamrlik we need you against philly!!

  191. P St. Pierre says:

    I agree that #4 could be about all of the 3rd and 4th lines. When Sergei Kostitsyn was on one of those lines, he was the toughest (and smallest) player featured. It’s pretty sad when a 5’11”, 196 lb. 20 year old rookie is the toughest guy on your grinding lines and the only one who seems willing to drop the gloves. Pathetic.

  192. vic says:

    Put away the antidepressant and feel better

  193. Rightwing says:

    What was Chris Higgins possibly thinking on the 2 on 0 breakaway, when he was a few strides behind Koivu. The Habs were down by the goal with 5 mins. to go in the 2nd. Instead of hustling and following Saku in to the net, he backs off and lets Koivu go ahead.

    The result was a non-scoring rebound. Higgins was a step and a half late. Once he realized the rebound was there, he was too far behind. Brutal.

    You had to know that when Christopher proclaimed himself a 40-goal scorer, that would lead to many problems. Glad he got a goal later to get some confidence, though.

    “Shut up and just play the game.” Coach Tom Coughlin

  194. planet habs says:

    Koivu has got to be the laziest player, always taking hooking penalties in the 3rd period, and it’s not like he scores either. he had a breakaway and of course he missed. when was the last time he scored? if he had the puck on a magnet, he’d still miss. totally useless. We have to get rid of the deadwood-Koivu(lazy), Huet(softie), Latendresse(can’t fight, hit or score) , Brisecrap(everything about him is horrible), Dandenault(skates with no finish), Lapierre(wimp),Begin(useless and brittle).
    Ok , after they’re all gone, we’ll win.

  195. planet habs says:

    I would play Price until he drops. Huet can’t be allowed to play another game for the habs, because if he does, we’ll lose. PRICE IS OUR MAN! HUET HAS TO BE TRADED AT THE DEADLINE!

  196. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Much needed 2 points, thanks to Kovalev & Price. I think Carbo should stick with Price for now and see what he has. Don’t mean to upset Huet supporters but I’m in favor of trading him and running the show with Price & Halak.

  197. WindsorHab-10 says:

    My nomination for fan of the week.

  198. The Teacher says:

    LMAO, nice one Timo 😉

  199. mysterycog says:

    Reading these posts you would think the team was on a 30 game losing streak in dead last place…Trade Huet?????? Koivu had 2 assists tonight .. trade him too?.. its really sad that there are so many whiners and crazies on here.. cuz its a really good site. why can’t Montreal hockey fans just be happy that this team is heading in the right direction finally..sheesh. if you guys had someone at your job constantly talking about getting you fired everytime you didn’t measure up to some arm-chair is really no wonder free agents don’t wanna sign here.. like the sloan song says “it’s not the band i hate it’s their fans”.

  200. T-roy West says:

    By no means am I sending any disrespect to Gainey because he has earned a lot of respect but I was just wondering about a couple of things.

    1. I think the last thing this team needed to pick up in the off season was another smurf forward and Gainey tried to aquire Brier( and for a lot of coin to boot).

    2. A lot of intelligent people who watch the habs religously were screaming for Gainey not to resign Souray and we get Hamrlik and he is much better and our pp is doing fine and where is Souray. Here is the kicker – Gainey offered the same contract to Souray. Why? He was a brutal defenceman with a terrible plus minus, who is prone to injury, who was coming off surgery. Why did Gainey even bother and better yet – what if Souray would have accepted the offer. Yikes!

    I guess what I’m saying is – yes Gainey is obviously smart but he isn’t a hockey guru and sometimes makes questionable decisions that I think puts the team at risk. But for the most part, he is doing well!

  201. Chuck says:

    Koive, totally useless… he set up both goals tonight.

    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  202. T-roy West says:

    I understand what your saying Jimmy but for my part I think they should only let Huet go if they don’t make a significant trade at the deadline to improve our team. If we have no intention of impoving our team for a run at the cup then why lose Huet for nothing when we can trade him for prospects or draft picks to make the future better.

  203. mysterycog says:

    Price has had one or two good games but he is not ready to shoulder a whole season.. with all the pressures of playing in a market like Montreal.. he is going to be amazing.. just not yet.. if it was up to me i would sign Huet for at least two more seasons while our boy Carey gets ready for his turn in the spotlight. As for Koivu.. It’s all been said the guy is a Champion he may be losing a step or two but he has been an inspiration the entire time he’s been here.. and he deserves better treatment..if ya wanna bash Brisbois im with you.. but its not like Saku aint trying.

  204. Pat8987 says:

    Huet back to L.A + Ryder or 2nd rounder for dustin brown straight up, believe me that would be a great move…..Guys that actually follow west hockey let me know what you think

  205. T-roy West says:

    That would be a good pickup. I’m pretty sure he leads the league in hits and has the makings of a good powerforward but it might be wishful thinking, who know’s. That would make it three New Yorkers on the team.

  206. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Signing Huet would be a waste of money that can be better spent somewhere else. Price/Halak are the answer.

  207. VancouverHab says:

    Wow. Mr. Pollack: thanks for writing to our website from your high place Hockey Heaven. I recognise you from this analysis of our current team: subtle, cogent sensible, and well-considered as your reputation would suggest.

  208. Sulemaan says:

    A few observations from the peanut gallery. My five cents as it were:

    (1) I completely agree that Koivu has to stop taking penalties in the offensive zone. He also hasn’t produced this year but his linemates haven’t helped when they are both slumping.

    However, he had a few goal-scoring chances tonight and did get 2 assists on the score sheet. I also recall when the Habs traded one Captain after another (Carbonneau, Keane, Muller, Turgeon, Damphousse) and it sunk the team. I think trading captains is a bad idea, especially one like Koivu.

    (2) Price played pretty well. To those who don’t think he’s the real-deal, they should consider getting an MRI. Having said that, I wouldn’t give up on Huet as it wasn’t too long ago that he had a pretty solid winning stretch. I like the fact that we have two solid goalies. If Huet walks as a UFA this year, we still have Halak and Danis (if we resign him).

    (3) I understand that many fans (and journalists) want Gainey to pull the gun a big trade for a Hossa. But I question such a trade – even if Hossa would sign a long-term deal – if it meant trading a Higgins, O’Byrne and 1st Round draft pick. Why?

    Higgins is only 25 years old and has a good future in front of him. He is already wearing an ‘A’ on his jersey. I see him, Komisarek and Chipchura as the future leadership core of this team. Hossa is already 29 years old and seems to disappear in the playoffs. That was a reason why Ottawa shipped him off for Heatley.

    O’Byrne is a rookie and made a stupid mistake in Tampa. However, the kid is 6’5″ and is a mean and mobile defenceman. How many of those are running around the NHL? Why are fans always complaining that our defence is not big enough or tough enough. We all drool over Komisarek. O’Byrne’s got a promising future and could be a mainstay on our defence for 10 years.

    (4) Carbonneau has made some questionable decisions but I think he has improved over last year and is still only a sophomore coach. His team is sitting 4th in the conference so he deserves some credit. To say his team wins in spite of him is a stretch. I also think he brings an intangible of knowing what it means to play and win in Montreal, dealing with the media, dealing with the fans, understanding the history that comes with the Habs.

    (5) Bob Gainey is by no means perfect as a GM. He has made questionable decisions (signing Samsonov, letting Beauchemin/Hainsey go on the waiver wire, not signing Dumount as an UFA, etc.) Having said that who doesn’t make mistakes? And look at the decisions he has made since he came:

    – He traded an over-paid and under-performing Jose Theodore and cleared up a ton of cap room for the team.

    – He traded Josef Balej and 2nd R. for Alexei Kovalev and resigned him as a UFA. He then got Kovalec to turn his season around after a horrible year last year and become the team’s MVP.

    – He resigned Markov as an UFA and has made an effort of going after other UFA’s such as Shannahan, Smyth, Briere and others.

    – He brought in Hamrlik and held his ground on Souray. Not a bad decision there. You think Kevin Lowe regrets signing Souray to that deal now?

    – He traded Craig Rivet for Josh Gorges and 1st R. (Max Pacrioetty).

    – He hired a talented guy to head up scouting (Trevor Timmins) and built a strong scouting staff. You think Price, Komisarek, A. Kostitsyn, S.Kostitsyn, McDonough, Subban, Fischer, Chipchura are poor picks?

    – He has made Montreal a desirable place to play again. Dan Boyle from Tampa admitted that Montreal was a city he would play for. Do you think people were saying that before 2003 when Gainey was hired?

    I guess I just look at where the team was in the Rejean Houle/Mario Tremblay days and where we are now with two other former players in the GM/Coach positions but with much different results and a much more promising future.

    (Apologies for the long-post)

  209. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Very good post but respectfully disagree with #2. I’m not sold on Huet one bit because I’ve always considered him a back up. Sure he gave us a thrill a couple of years ago when he replaced Theo and lead us against Boston in the playoffs, but so did Theodore when he won the vezina & mvp and look what happened. I say if we can get anything for Huet, pull the trigger. I feel much comfortable with Price and either Halak or Danis.

  210. Spartan117 says:

    Couldnt’ve said it better myself, good post man, some ppl have to look at the scoreboard sometimes they think we’re in last after 2 or 3 losses…

  211. yukonhab says:

    Good post and thoughts…except trade Huet, and give Price the reins for the run…can’t trade Higgins for Hossa…Higgins is the future of this team…

    GO HABS GO!!

  212. A. Berke says:

    Excellent post Sulemaan.
    I’d rather read a long but intelligent post.

    In regards to Huet though, I’m not sold on him carrying us anywhere especially in the playoffs. He’s way too inconsistent and unreliable for the long run, although, we still may get a few more decent games from him. I’d rather prefer to see him traded and get a decent player in return (my guess is he’s not going stay around come July anyways).

    Besides where else but in the NHL, Price is going to get an NHL experience?

    Although he played a pretty good game, Koivu needs to stop those boneheaded hooking penalties. It almost cost us the game again.


    Ali B.

  213. ClaytonM says:

    Everybody now – GO HABS GO… GO HABS GO…

  214. usversusthem says:

    It’s good to see someone on this site who sounds level-headed about how we’re doing as a team. I can’t believe some of the anger some people here have for our players.

  215. ClaytonM says:

    Sulemaan, that was an intelligent, level-headed, even-handed assessment of the team. One question, though.

    What is it doing on HIO?

  216. ClaytonM says:

    Timo, some posters don’t even stay grounded when they hook up their nuts to a car battery. Or as FFS calls it, a regular Friday night out with the boys.

  217. G-Man says:

    Excellent post, Sulemaan. Well thought out. My eyes did get tired, but they were glad for the workout.


  218. G-Man says:

    Habs have always had trouble with the Panthers, no matter their position in the standings. We squeezed 2 points out of Vokoun, but allowed too many shots again. That won’t be fixed until Hamrlik is back and we have our regular 6 back there. Time to make cream cheese out of the Flyers!


  219. Smart Dog says:

    LOL. Good point.

    Sulemaan, good post, and as with most here I agree. But I would add letting Bonk go to the list of note-worthy mistakes. I couldn’t believe it when it happened. And as with others I agree with questions about Huet. It helps that Price stole the game last night, but Huet’s inconsistency is an enigma. I think it’s solvable but maybe not by this staff, or here and now.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  220. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Excellent post!

  221. Smart Dog says:

    Every team has some fans that don’t know that much, maybe they’re young or just not really involved with the team.

    And then some teams have smart-mouthed fans of other teams who for some unknown reason like to just hang around and stir up sh#t. That REALLY blows.

    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  222. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Huet is not inconsistent, look at the stretch he had, so the past 4 or 5 games have not been his greatest, don’t jump off the Huet bandwagon and back on the Price one yet. Everyone was cheering for Huet when he was winning back in January, so lets not forget that. even thought we lost to tampa, Huet kept the team in it, which they did nothing about until the dying minutes of the game.

    Price played a great game last night.

  223. Hobie Hansen says:

    I agree with anyone who’s said the team will be much improved when Hamrlik returns from his ailment. Souray had a booming shot and could destroy anyone who disrespected Koivu or Huet but he was, let’s face it, horrible defensively. Hamrlik is a rock back there and actually throws more hits than Souray because he’s a much better skater. Along with Komisarek, Markov and even frakie Bouillon, Hamrlik and the defense has been a pleasant surprise this year.

  224. JF says:

    Good post. Two quibbles: (1) Koivu’s penalty in the third period jappened when they were hemmed in their own zone, not the usual offensive zone penalty he takes too many of. (2) Gainey could not sign Dumont. By the time Buffalo said no to him, we had already signed Samsonov so there was no room. I agree with your other points.

  225. Shobud says:

    I don’t know how many people have been to an F1 race.. You stand at track side and you can hardly catch the colour of the car going by.. TV makes it look like you can see everything.. Get down on the ice and see how fast things happen.. Its so easy to say this one should have done this and this one should have done that..Do you think these guys don’t see it after they have done it.. Higgans should have done this or that but its a nano second when you make your decision..As for trade Huet it sound great but what are you going to get for him. This is his thitd year and he has not won anything..I am not saying Price is any better untill he has played a year or so.. Huet has won some games where he stood on his head,but not enough You need someone that does that everynight, and the last thing you need is a guy that lets in a soft one right after you take a lead.. I think we have a ways to go yet before the cup but then you never know in the playoffs

  226. POPS says:

    We will lose Huet to the free agent market this summer! He will want big money, long term and we cannot afford that under the cap system. It is time for him to go! What’s the latest on Streit as far as contract negotiations?

  227. G-Man says:

    zzzz…..zzzzz…..zzzzz….oh, for f***sake, him again? Lemme just roll over… there, that’s better…..zzzz….zzzz…zzz


  228. Habs_008 says:

    Scrolling down reading the Posts….i see all this talk about trading Huet, Ryder, and getting Hossa…blah blah..I like Huet, Price is not ready for #1 duties. We wont get much for ryder, he has lost his game. He will find it, just not with us. Hossa would be a big help. He can put the puck in the net! The price might be a little steep for him though. And the last thing i want to talk about is Kovy’s goal last nite in OT. WOW what a shot, through the legs of the dmen, goalie didnt see all of it. What a shot. He is our MVP this year by far.

  229. Habhopeful says:

    Hey, let me ask you something planet habs…Did you want kovalev gone last year when he was sucking it up and if so are you happy we kept him?? When huet was standing on his head last month and went 10-3-2 were you still putting him down and saying trade him?? every goalie has there inconsistent moments, it just so happens huet is having his now, koivu was one of our best players last year and everyone loved him, this year his production dropped a bit but mind you hes still 3rd in team scoring, and you call him deadwood lazy, his o-zone penalties need to go but he assisted on both goals last night… nothing is good enough for some of you people, every team in the NHL needs improvement, once something goes wrong with a player, everyone wants them gone, the others i agree with you, latendresse needs to work on his skating, brisebois needs to retire, dandenault i dont really like as a player and lapierre really has to toughen up and i like begin because he works his ass off, may not be the best player but he always works…I bet if koivu stays and next year he does amazingly well, your gonna be all over him like a fat kid on cake, so be happy with what we got at the moment and let Gainey do what he has to do before the trade deadline to hopefully improve our team in certain aspects…

  230. Shobud says:

    Another thing people should do is look in reverse..If Hossa belonged to the habs, what would you want in return for him in a trade..Would you accept Ryder and Huet I don’t think so..Other teams are not going to do the habs a favor just to be nice..They will want a hell of a lot in return and so would I.

  231. Shiloh says:

    I’m happy with the win – nice to get 2 points from a game that we could have lost easily. A few thoughts:

    1. Koivu is going through a rough spell but he contributed two assists tonight.
    2. Huet – if something interesting is offered for him Bob should listen
    3. Kovalev for Prime Minister
    4. Price could be the next Luongo – hard to say if he should get the odd game in the NHL or a whole bunch in Hamilton. I think he needs to play a lot.
    5. I think Latendresse would benefit from a lot of ice time in Hamilton – we should recall Chipchura

  232. Shobud says:

    Huet is not ready either.. He could not do it his first year and is not playing as well now

  233. Habhopeful says:

    Is everyone sure we want 2 rookie goalies in our net?? i see alot of people saying “trade huet”, “he stinks” “Price is number 1”, price will be our number one but it is a very bad idea to have to rookie goalies in net we need veteranship involved between the pipes…It’ll come back to bite us in the ass which is why im sure huet will get signed for atleast 2 years max 3 but i only see 2 and maybe even one year

  234. Habhopeful says:

    price could be the next luongo,,,, can we please not put too much expectation on our young 20 year old goalie, he doesnt need that, lets give it time and see if he can raise his level of play, I like price and i have nothing but good hopes for him in our future but lets nto compare him to top tier goalies of our century just yet…

  235. habsguy says:

    awesome post Sulemaan ….but you have to realize that although most of us think your points are well thought out and mostly true, you’ll still have your Gainey haters. Although his track record as YOU pointed out is, if not impeccable, it’s pretty darn good !!!you’ll still have the ones who think Carbo should be run out of town, these are the same guys who didn’t think the other 4 or 5 ex hab coaches around the league were NHL caliber, but, are still coaching in the NHL…You’ll still have the the “trade half the team” group…The funny thing is, these guys don’t just come out of thr woodwork after a lose, they aren’t happy after a win !!!!!!!!!!!!!…..
    I’ll take it one step further, if by chance with a LOT of luck they win the cup this year ( and I don’t think it’ll happen yet ), but if, I can just hear it as they skate around the ice holding it high, ” if only we drafted Getzlaf “

  236. habsguy says:

    Habhopeful …They’re only saying Huet sucks because he lost a game or 2, after Price has a bad one they’ll turn on him as well !!!!!

  237. T-roy West says:

    Well ClaytonM, I think there are things that teams should not do. One of those is trading a player to your arch nemessis so they can come back and haunt you. Yes the first rounder would be nice, but no friggin way!

  238. 24 Cups says:

    Sulemaan – I noticed that you made your post at 1:17 AM – you must still be up changing diapers! I wanted to pass along belated congratulations on the birth of your daughter. I would have mentioned it during the past few days but it would appear that we both decided to sit out all of the “Pursegate” silliness. Here’s a toast to you and your family on Valentine’s Day. May you and your wife enjoy the special love that only a daughter can bring to a home. My daughter Erin is 23 and has been a constant source of joy and happiness for my wife and I. Savour every moment – there is no greater gift in this world.

    The Original 24 Cups

  239. showey47 says:

    I don’t think its about bashing huet or saying he sucks. Its more along the lines of that huet will probably walk after this season. Like i posted earlier, this is huet’s one chance to get the “retirement contract”. He will command minimum 3 years somewhere around 12 million and he will get it either from us or someone else. Does anyone think he will accept a one year deal with us instead of 3 or 4 years somewhere else? We will not need him for 2,3,or 4 years. So why tie up that kind of money and terms especailly in a salary cap league where bob has to offer more money to ufa’s than other teams just to make up for taxes. Its nothing personal, its business.

  240. Corio says:

    Everyone was totally useless last night except Price. It was really tiring to watch the Habs skating in circles.. We didn’t deserve to win that game imo but miraculously managed to squeeze two points out of it..

    I was calling Saku, Suckoo last night, even Kovalev was playing like an unconfident bozo, at least he got the winner.. so I forgive him 😉

    I’ll take it I guess..

  241. Sulemaan says:

    Thanks Chuck. Your post made me laugh. You’re probably right but I think the various ‘haters’ add a little spice to things and want the team to excel. Candidly, I suspect a lot of us were at one point but with time/experience/wisdom/old age things change.

    In a way it’s good the ‘haters’ are never satisfied as that is good to push the team forward. Never settle. So long as they aren’t unreasonable.

    That’s actually one of the things I love about this site. There are Habs fans who have been around the game for a while (Ian Cobb is one of many) and then younger fans who are newer to the team/game. You have male and female (Moey, Steiner, Naila, Habs-Kat, Woah Dana, JF) fans.

    It’s a true compliment to misters Stubbs, Hickey, Mio, Boone, Aung-Thwin and departed Banerjee. I mean what other site could put together Habs and Bulldogs summit. Smart people who are passionate about something.

    It’s funny but my wife thinks I’m a lunatic now because I now watch Habs games with my laptop at the same time. :-)

    Speaking of which, don’t forget today is VALENTINE’S DAY gentlemen.

  242. POPS says:

    I agree!I am not bashing Huet when I say he should be traded but I am looking at the situation for what it is.He has no reason to sign back for one season with us when he could get a better deal elsewhere.Huet must be moved.What do you make of all the Hossa talk?What would you package together to get him?I think Marleau is a stronger possibility.In addition,if ATL is willing to deal…what about Holik and Hossa?

  243. nightmare_49 says:

    Nice post and all in all the “D” has been surprising and only needs a little move for the short term to make them more serviceable and that would be a big veteran stay at home “D” man. Markov played a great game last night but hauled almost 30 minutes which is too much for him. We can’t have him spending so much time killing penalties for his talent is better used 5 on 5 which is a key. Markov’s play diminishes in the long run with these extra minutes and is more apt to errors when he’s tired. A veteran “D” could spell him of these PK minutes and help us as our depth or bottom end is rather soft for playoff hockey. O’bey and Gorges are playing well but are a work in progress. This veteran would not hurt our salary cap much.

  244. Sulemaan says:

    Thanks Steve. You’re not off the mark by much my friend. I was actually burping her and she fell asleep while I was typing that long-winded post.

    Appreciate the advice. We need to grab a game together soon with some of the other Habs fans here in the centre of the universe. Even if we go watch the game in pub or something.

  245. Sulemaan says:

    Thanks to 24 Cups, JF, A. Berke, Riverview, Gilbert, Yukon Hab, ClaytonM, SD, usversusthem, spartan117, windsorHab, HabsProf, HabsGuy, wd40, habsgod, krob1000 for the kind words.

    If anything the next few days before the trade deadline will be interesting.

  246. 93miraclecup says:

    I don’t know why everyone is calling the Higgins goal flukey or lucky. The goal was a direct result of great hustle by Higgins. That was not luck. The Panthers goal was lucky, the Habs goal was just the result of hard work.

  247. showey47 says:

    I don’t know about hossa. Good player but i’m not really sold on trading higgins as part of a package for him as some of the rumours say. I also heard, Atlanta wants a high end prospect and first round pick as part of a deal with higgins. This has recchi for leclair (and desjardins to boot) written all over it, we had the better player short term but long term we get smoked in the deal. This is why trading huet would benefit us though, it could bring the return necessary to make the hossa deal happen without affecting our current core players.

    Patrick Marleau is interesting, huge contract for not alot of offensive numbers this season. Sharks would want a center in return, i wouldn’t part with pleky and unless saku wants to be traded i don’t see bob trading him.

    If there is no deal to be made for an elite winger, He can looks more along the lines of trent hunter, or a second line winger with size and a big third line center who rules in he faceoff circle.

  248. nightmare_49 says:

    That’s the dilemma that Gainey has to face and he should know what Huet’s intentions are for the coming seasons and go from there if he doesn’t he’s not doing his job. IMO a retirement contract at a high figure is out of the question. It’s also funny 2 weeks ago Huet was a franchise player and now he’s in everybody’s trade rumours , what have you done for me lately syndrome.

  249. planet habs says:

    You know, the time to trade Koivu, was at the end of last season. I wanted him gone during the offseason. Here’s my logical and rational thinking. You never trade a player when their value is down, because then you’re in a desperate position, and you’ll get nothing for him. Smart GM’s know to trade a player when their value is at it’s peak. So Gainey made the wrong decision last year with Souray, by not trading him at the deadline. He made the same mistake with Koivu and Ryder during the offseason. Imagine what he would have received for those 3 if traded at the proper time? So you always want to trade a player when their value is high. And it’s not like Koivu wanted to stay. He told Gainey: ” I don’t want to be on a team rebuilding”, and that’s why he has no spark, energy or motivation. As far as Huet is concerned, he has never done anything to inspire me, nor has he ever stole a game. Since his 1st year here, he has done little, except inconsistent play. Last year he was horrible, and this year worse. He can’t handle a puck,or pressure games. We all remember his year ending playoff game vs Carolina. you know, that shot from 60 feet out that he let in, or how about his performance in the last game of the season last year? should I go on. I won’t for all you Huet lovers(all 3 of you). He has cost us many games will continue to do so, if allowed to play. I say hand it over to the kids, Price and Halak as backup. For those who say Price isn’t ready, take a look at Huet? PRICE IS OUR MAN!
    Maybe alot of you don’t agree with my comments, but I have to tell it like it is. Anyways you’ll never find fans always agreeing on everything. That’s what makes this blog interesting. It’s nice too see different views.

  250. Habhopeful says:

    Showey and pops, you guys may not be bashing huet, but some posters on here are non-stop, while i agree with your remark about signing him for too long, we will not need him for that long , IMO 2 years would be the best, im just worried about having 2 young rookie goalies, we still need time for price to develop, goalies take some time to develop and putting too much on price can be his downfall, we dont need a M.A Fleury, im not saying he’s done, but he faltered a bit because he was rushed into the limelight by the pens…If huet wants to sign for 3 yrs or more and is asking too much then we let him go because, we do need the cap room, but im sure gainey will sign huet depending on the amount of $ and years because he knows he doesnt want price to bust because of the amount of pressure he will be receiving from everyone and if its only price next year and he falters, just one bit! the fans and media will be all over him…

  251. odber says:

    it was nice to see price play with alot of confidence.we,ll need both of the goaltenders playing well to have any success.

  252. Habhopeful says:

    What are you gonna do if price falters a bit in the near future?

  253. JB says:

    If those three trades had been made we would be in last place in the league. Huet other than this little recent stretch has been awesome – probably played a little too much who’s fault is that? (Carbo) Koivu just wants some consistency – he’s basically the heart of the team – who’s fault is it that he hasn’t had the same line all yr – reverse of Kovalev last yr (Carbo) and Ryder has be unjustly blamed and faulted for everything that has gone wrong on a WINNING team – we’ve left our 30 goal scorer over the last 2 seasons out to dry. Now who’s fault is that – (Carbo)

    I loved Carbo as a player – just as I loved Trembley & Houle – and look where that got us.

    Anyway – nice post – I guess I’m just on the other side of the fence on this one

  254. Leclerc1965 says:

    Every day is Valentines Day Sulemaan.

  255. Habhopeful says:

    Remember price is only 20 years old, like i said i like the guy and do consider him as our future but, everyone is gonna put too much pressure on him and then if something ever goes wrong with his play, i gaurantee you, you will be one of the ones asking for his head, now i don’t want price to fail, that is the last thing on my mind but everyone here, not just on this site but in this city, once someone doesn’t play up to our expectations, we are all over him, Newspapers, Internet, Radio, T.V, everyone basically tries to chase them out of town, its annoying and goes to show why some players would not want to play here…Hopefully price does live up to our expectations but for now lets not push him

  256. nightmare_49 says:

    If Huets agent is asking for big bucks plus a long contract the Habs management may opt to sign a veteran goalie less expensive to go along with our two rookie goalies. The team has a budget for the goalie position , “D” men and forwards position on their rosters. If i’m not mistaken the goalie salaries are middle of the road right now and that’s where the Habs would like to keep it cuz of the future signings. I think Chuck brought up a similar post.

  257. habsguy says:

    I would love to see a guy who gave his heart and soul to the Habs be around when they DO win the cup!!!!!

  258. wd40 says:

    No need to apologize! Good read, extremely well-balanced perspective.

  259. habsgod says:

    excellent post!awesome to read and 100%bang on suleman!!

  260. Habhopeful says:

    good point

  261. krob1000 says:

    Great post and I agree on all but the Hossa (or other player of his calibre) issue. We should try and will try and are trying to get someone like that. I don’t like the idea of Higgins and O’Byrne and a first rounder but if he can be resigned it isn’t that bad (it would mean we would need to pick up another defenseman somewhere as well).
    I WOULD LIKE ONE PERSON TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW HOSSA DISAPPEARS IN THE PLAYOFFS Please look at his stats. Last year the entire Thrashers team was MIA as they were at the beginning of this season….they obviously had zero respect for their coach. His other “disappearing acts” were as a kid. He is a gamer through and through.

  262. Sulemaan says:

    Good point.

  263. Shobud says:

    What about all our depth that we are supposted to have.. All I have heard all year is how many great goaltenders we have.. Now everone says we can’t afford to lose Huet

  264. 24 Cups says:

    “His other disappearing acts were as a kid” and the rest of the Senators disappeared with him. I truly believe that different team environments bring out different attributes in individual players. Fedorov in Detroit years ago being a good example of my point.

    The Original 24 Cups

  265. ClaytonM says:

    I was kidding, of course. The thought of laffs nation losing their coveted chance at drafting Stamkos to Montreal for another “solid” goalie was worht a chuckle.

  266. T-roy West says:

    Sorry ClaytonM but I put my reply to your comment on the first page @ 09:29! Oops.

  267. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    some good posts today (Sulemann deserves mention for his positive recap)…good thing the Hab train is back on track!…funny how a loss generates over 500 posts though…

    Great to get the 2 points….maybe the most important 2 points thus far because it signals that WE ARE NOT GOING TO SLUMP!

    We are lucky to have PRICE….very few teams have a backup of that calibre at that age with that much potential.

    Higgins goal was the type that only a HARVARD professor could score…thats his level of intelligence…it was a GREAT SMART GOAL..kind of like those smart bombs…you don’t see them coming.

    and of course, what a patented goal by Kovalev from his office…thats what your best players do…they come through for you.

    the only negative I found was the knot in my stomach from thinking this was going to be a game where we can’t score one…I hate those 1 goal games…or if we are winning by 1 goal ALL GAME and the other team ties it etc…those are the worst for a FAN!…we like a 3-4 goal cushion!

    must give credit to Carb that at one point on a powerplay he had an ALL RUSSIAN lineup, I think I saw Kovalev, Kostyjr, kostysr, markov and plek (who is half russian)……talk about chemistry.

    I don’t think we’ll have a problem with PHILLY…we OWN THEM.
    of course it depends on Carbs lineup decisions.

    1. Thank GOD we have Alex Kovalev… his PRIME
    2. The BELL CENTRE should be rebuilt to sit 80,000 fans
    3. Your’re not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”
    4. We will win the CUP in 2009

  268. wd40 says:

    yeah… my nerves love those cushions, but as we saw last week, sometimes even a 3-4 goal lead isn’t enough!

  269. the real vinnydj says:

    My cats name is Higgins, I have Higgins’ jersey. He is by far my favourite player on the Habs…….Would I trade him to get one of the best two way players in the game? In a heart beat, Hossa would look pretty sexy out there.

    This rumour just won’t go away, I think it’s becoming more and more of a reality. Hopefully it involves Ryder and not Higgins.

  270. Praj12 says:

    How about Vinny Prospal. he kills us everytime we play TB.

  271. habfan53 says:

    I don’t know if one win means we are not going into a slump. But over the course of he year you win a few that you should’nt and lose a few that you should win. This weekends series with Philly is very important for the confidence of the team and to see how they stack up to one of the better teams in the conference.I’ll be happy with a split, really happy with 3 points and ecstatic with 4.

    Price played well last night looked more comfortable as the game went on. I thought he stood up more instead of going to his knees right away. I thought Saku played his best game in a couple of months He had his nose in it the whole game. Skated hard good passes nice shorthanded break.
    The only bad part was the penalty at the end of the game.

    It still concerns me that Montreal is giving up a lot of shots (36 last night) however what is good is that most are from the periphery.

    It’s good to see Higgins get a goal in back to back games
    Last nigts came from going to the net hard AND beating Boumeister to the puck.

  272. Smart Dog says:

    I read this (below) on a TSN post. I like Huet but the writer has a point:

    if you recall last season before he got hurt, huet was getting shelled when we needed him most, he was starting that trend again. PRICE stopped the bleeding and he is poised to continue. he looked like a ten year veteran tonight, minimal rebounds and sharp ! let the kid take the reigns right now, call up halak as back up who was 7-0 last year before huet came back to tank the toronto game, and trade huet saku and prospect to atlanta for hossa !! GO HABS GO , GO HABS GO !! GO PRICE GO !!


    Habs Fans! The FUTURE looks bright:
    Plekanec, Higgins, Chipchura, A Kostitsyn, Lapierre, Latendress,
    Price, S Kostitsyn, Komisuarus, O’Byrne

  273. Shobud says:

    If Hossa was a hab right now, would you trade him to someone for those three..I know I sure as hell would not

  274. Habs_008 says:

    Why would ATL give up Hossa, who is an UFA for Huet who is an UFA? Price played great yesterday…but it was only One game. Huet has been good for us the last 3 years. Every player goes through a slump. Huet is no different. he will snap out of it. Trading Huet is stupid, Price isnt ready for the show just yet.

  275. Jonnyboy says:

    Atl doesn’t need a goalie, they are very deep in goalies.

  276. showey47 says:

    i know, i knew the faceoff rule was in existence. But from someone like myself who watches a ton of hockey this was the first time i have even seen it called.

  277. habfan53 says:

    Agreed. What gets me is all the people who think that Atlanta will take a Ryder, Huet, Dandenault and Begin.

    IF and I still say IF we get Hossa it is going to cost us.

    Remember Gainey traded a young prospect named Iginla for Joe Nienwendyk then went on to win a cup in Dallas. So you can say the ends justified the means

  278. wd40 says:

    Between March 17th and April 5th, Halak played 9 straight games. He won the first 5 (7 in total). Huet came back for the last game of the year. We lost 6-5 against TO.

  279. Jonnyboy says:

    I don’t get the whole trade and sign thing. He is going to go UFA, if he gets traded here he doesn’t have to sign. If he would sign, why wouldn’t we just sign him on the 1st and not have to trade away assets.

    I see how its so he can be with us for this playoff run, but what people pay for that is nuts.

  280. krob1000 says:

    Because the playoffs are the season…..

  281. Habhopeful says:

    Just got a little something to share with everyone…My old childhood and still freind Corey Crawford has just been called up to play goalie with the chicago blackhawks as of today due to Khabibulin’s injury, I just want to wish him the best of luck and hope he plays and does good…

  282. mrstewart61 says:

    Good luck to Corey from all Monctonians. He was a good and popular player here for 4 seasons.

  283. Shobud says:

    I hope he stands them on their head.. Must make you feel good.. I wish him the best

  284. jimbo says:

    For all you “trade Huet”and turn the reins over to Price guys.Not to long ago Price was banished to the minors(where his play was not stellar)after losing 5 straight starts.Recall him he loses to the Laffs and for not a bad bounce he would have lost to the shitty Panthers.
    Now let’s think about the run we went on when he was gone.huet played those games and played really well.
    Now if Huet is really that inconsistant we would not be in the position we are in and what would you really expect to get back in return for him.
    I know Price is our future and I don’t care which goalie is playing as long as he’s the best one we have.Right now it’s Huet

  285. Habs_008 says:

    Thanks JIMBO! this is the message i am trying to get through to you guys here. Huet is NOW, Price is the Future.

  286. Hossa is Coming says:

    On your comment Jimbo:

    “I don’t care which goalie is playing as long as he’s the best one we have. Right now it’s Huet”

    You must be as crazy as Rick James. Huet has let in 20 goals in his last 5 games.

  287. HABZ 24 says:

    the habs dont seem to have the same drive and effort but price kept the in there to salvage a win. nice to see higgy climbing outa his slumber.saku too.were tied for 2nd 4pts behind sens. go habs go!!

  288. mrstewart61 says:

    Exactly. And the one on Cullimore in O/T was iffy, IMHO.

  289. Praj12 says:

    That OT call was for the one he missed at the end of the third.
    10:10 MTL Guillaume Latendresse Tripping (2 min)
    12:56 FLA Jay Bouwmeester Tripping (2 min

    05:48 FLA Branislav Mezei Roughing (2 min)
    05:48 MTL Tom Kostopoulos Roughing (2 min)
    08:51 FLA Rob Globke Hooking (2 min)
    12:43 MTL Tom Kostopoulos Interference (2 min)
    14:41 MTL Josh Gorges Delaying Game – Puck over Glass (2 min)

    02:00 FLA Jay Bouwmeester High Sticking (2 min)
    04:21 FLA Olli Jokinen High Sticking (2 min)
    05:52 MTL Tomas Plekanec Face-off interference (2 min)
    10:20 FLA Tanner Glass Holding (2 min)
    16:21 MTL Saku Koivu Hooking (2 min)

    00:33 FLA Jassen Cullimore Hooking (2 min)

    Looking at the penalties listed, I would have to say that he was even. I guess it just looked like he was after us.

  290. Shobud says:

    Yes I agree.. Huet is the one right now and that is the depressing part

  291. Habhopeful says:

    Thanks guys, I grew up playing soccer with him and am good freinds with his sister and him, it’s cool seeing someone you grew up with make it somewhere

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