Game 4 and more

• Pat Hickey on Dan Maloney’ acumen

• Cam Cole’s playoff notebook

• Arpon Basu on Guy Boucher

• GMs talk about head shots and shootouts

Brière investment paying off

• Is Pronger getting into Hawks’ heads?

Brière for the Conn Smythe?

• Hawks try to bounce back

 

54 Comments

  1. havok says:

    Jimmy Murph was told by a good source that Pleky and Habs are pretty close to signing

  2. punkster says:

    Oh no, not more Vinny talk. Maybe Sundin will come out of retirement and we can get the Toronto media cranked up and take the Vinny to Montreal story off the air.

    FREE TIMO!

  3. homerbowen says:

    No f’n way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. pic1983 says:

    Honestly, Gretzky was just way ahead of his time.  Half of his goals (those low slappers from the half boards) wouldnt even be goals in todays NHL. 

    If you took gretzky in his prime, and put him in todays game, I dont think he would be anywhere near a top player in the league, or have anywhere even remotely close to the numbers he compiled.

  5. pic1983 says:

    As much as vinny is that big bodied center we’ve been dying for, he has been on the decline for the last 4 seasons.

    He could have forced brian lawtons hand if he truly wanted to come here, he likes it in tampa, he can stay there. 

  6. pic1983 says:

    well said my man

  7. SeriousFan09 says:

    I meant had he played for 20 years without the back issues and cancer what his accomplishments would have been.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  8. Storm Man says:

    Hard to say what Lemeiux would have done. FYI he had a 17 year career.

  9. TomNickle says:

    As somebody who watched all of Lemieux and Gretzky’s careers respectively.  I can say without hesitation that Lemieux was better.  Better in many ways.  My top 3 all time.

    1. Lemieux

    2. Orr

    3. Gretzky

    Gretzky was a very intelligent player, probably the most intelligent of his time but not at the level of Mario Lemieux.  

  10. Storm Man says:

    NON and NO.

  11. SLONCOLD says:

    vinny can stay in tampa.

  12. SeriousFan09 says:

    I always maintain had Lemeiux played without his back issues and cancer slowing him down over a 20 year career, I’m pretty sure he’d have matched or overtook a number of Gretzky’s records. Impossibly dominant and could make Ray Bouque look bad when he played against him, the NHL hasn’t seen his like since and possibly never will.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  13. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not really, his contract is the definition of toxic. Even if he were to become an 85-point player the second he came to town, he’s on the books until he’s 40 and that’s a ton of money and a too-long investment on a guy who’s become a bit fragile in his last few NHL seasons. I don’t think he’d be putting up 80+ points at 35 reliably and he’d still be with the team for 5 more years following that.

    I’m not a fan of Gomez’s contracts but in 4 more years he’s out or renegotiated to a much smaller contract, not on the books while his prime years are well behind him on superstar money with declining production.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  14. BJ says:

    How many of you would welcome (him again) Vincent Lecavalier? The reason I bring it up is that I have heard on a French Canadian radio show, that Yzerman has spoken with Vinny and his no trade clause and that he was to give him a short 4-5 team list he would accept a trade to. Obviously there are a few considerations here such as having to either move Gomez to Tampa Bay or another taker and whether Pleks is re-signed. In any case my question is would Vinny helps us?

  15. mike g says:

    Here’s a great article for you all to read…

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Shawn-Gates/What-if-20-Star-Players-Hadnt-Had-Their-Careers-Cut-Short/67/28643

    I knew Mike Bossy was very good, but I never knew he was INSANE. Lindros has some crazy stats too..

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  16. SLONCOLD says:

    “for every king , a crown”…. every time i hear that commercial, i grab a crown and coke.

    surprisingly jack and ginger is yummy as well.

  17. mike g says:

    Thnx budd…

    But I still gotta try some Crown Royal. I think it was you who told me it was alot better than the big JD. A few of my friends said the same. I know I tried it once in Kingston on a hockey tournament, but it was mixed with 7up or coke.

    I’ll try it on the rocks, n let you know what I think.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  18. G-Man says:

    Hit F5 on your keyboard, JD.

     

  19. mike g says:

    Nice!

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  20. SLONCOLD says:

    nice, i approve

  21. mike g says:

    Aight..

    thnx Bird

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  22. Jbird says:

    Or it happens right after I make the post telling you to wait.

  23. Jbird says:

    Just wait.  Sometimes it takes a 1/2 day or so to come in to effect. 

  24. mike g says:

    Why didn’t my picture change?

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  25. mike g says:

    Alright!

    There we go….still kept some “Jack” in my profile.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  26. BKAK72 says:

    I really don’t think this team needs too much tinkering with.  Some good money management is all that’s required e.g. don’t sign PLEKS for more than $5M/yr and unload AK46 contract for a fiesty FWD instead that will go to the net for a feather pass from PLEKS when it’s rough in there.

    – I will not apologize for being a delirious HABS fan! –

  27. SmartDog says:

    You have a point.

    But my bottom line is a worse-case scenario is he walks with no compensation and that can’t happen.  Players are assets and good asset management is what wins championships as much as anything. Every time a really good player walks as a free agent you lose power you could have had. 

    Best case, okay – sign him for 3 years.

     

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  28. TomNickle says:

    Hey, every great passer throws out some really bad ones each game.  And when it comes to evaluations of Gomez I’m starting to see that the opinions coincide with the fan and what kind of player they like.  Sure he has holes in his game but I think Toews and Crosby might be the only two in the league who don’t.

    Markov can’t walk.  If I’m Gauthier, he gets an offer comparable to the one I suggested above and if he doesn’t want to come to terms, I shop him.  But if I’m trading Markov, I’m getting a 1st, 3rd, 30 goal scorer and a young puck moving defenseman prospect.

    Doughty and Keith are better than Markov, but they’re probably the only two defensemen in the game that have his combination of offensive and defensive ability at the position.  Add to that the experience factor, and that’s my asking price, and I think somebody would pay it.  Dallas, Columbus, St. Louis, Los Angeles?

     

  29. TomNickle says:

    Dallas

    Markov  for  James Neal, Stephane Robidas and a 1st.

    Columbus

    Markov for Filatov, Russell and a 3rd

    St. Louis

    Markov for Backes, Junland and a 1st

    Los Angeles

    Markov for Simmonds, Voynov and a 1st and 3rd.

    I know that the other team overpays in these scenarios but that would be my position if I’m Gauthier.  Because Markov would be highly coveted by teams getting into bidding wars.

    Pronger deal saw Anaheim get Lupul, Sbisa and two 1sts.

     

  30. Storm Man says:

    Alot of Markov trade talk going on. No GM is going to make a trade with us untill Markov is 100 percent. I would like to see where the team is at before he comes back. If we play well without him we can make a move at the trade deadline.

  31. SmartDog says:

    Good points.  I DO think we should trade Marky so there I disagree.   I think the team is coming together with a different style of D, and his value is probably just too much in trade to pass up.  But I won’t be sorry if they don’t either.  As long as he doesn’t walk as a free agent – I think that would be clearly bad management.

    I disagree about Gomez’s worth as a passer.  I wish I had his PR.  How come he doesn’t have 50 assists if he’s so good?  He makes just as many bad passes.  He’s not the next Adam Oates and never will be.  He’s a guy that likes to dish and has some talent at it but that’s it.  He NEEDS guys that can turn BAD passes into goals (like the way Gionta can knock crap out of the air) or he’s average 

     

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    What do you think Markov would fetch in a trade though, realistically. You need to exchange for another highly-ranked defencemen because honestly, who here thinks it’s a good idea to shift the weight of carrying the blue line on PP and general offensive breakouts from Markov the 9-year veteran to Subban the rookie? I love Subban’s upside, but this screams to me of the dark days of Koivu being the team’s only decent centre and putting it all on his back to keep the team alive if such a move was made. The team’s record over the last 5 years without Markov is lottery position, putting that burden on Subban is unfair, unrealistic and foolish if Markov is moved for forwards.

    Also, regardless of the style of D you employ, puck-moving defencemen are an extremely vital component of a winning club these days, having Markov and Subban over the next 5-7 years could be Cup or No Cup for Montreal.

     

     

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu.
    http://habsandhockey.blogspot.com/

  33. notbigbird says:

    I think I agree with you (below) about Marky. They played well enough without him this spring that I am thinking he may be our most tradeable asset along with not being the huge loss of years past. Sooby should become the new Marky and maybe even more (in time), and we need some tough guys back there and elsewhere — or scorers. We need a lot. Hammer plays better when Marky’s gone, so I think we could get reasonable mileage out of him for another year.

  34. SmartDog says:

    LONG POST BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT’S ON MY MIND THESE DAYS… I’M WONDERING IF IT’S ON OTHERS TOO.

    **************************

    GAUTHIER COULD BE A GREAT GM IF:

    1. He keeps one of Halak/Price for a decent rate for 3-4 years and gets a very good return on the other.

    2. He bags up a big, net crashing top-6 20+ goal scorer that we’ve needed forever – at a decent rate.

    3. He EITHER lands Pleks at about 4.5 mil OR magically strikes a deal to shop Gomez out and brings in a big centre, signing Pleks for a little more (but still a bargain compared to Gomer).  OR… failing that gets SOMETHING worthwhile out of Plkks (which he failed to do at the trade deadline – see my sig below… how much did Pleks help us in the playoffs? How much COULD we have had?)

    4. He manages to KEEP BOUCHER one way or another.

    5. He either extends Markov’s deal by 2-3 years for the same or less, OR he trades him for a strong return.

    6. He ships one or preferably both of the Brothers K for a decent retun.  Both guys are relatively inexpensive with a high potential upside.  The right team would be interested.

    7. He extends Pyatt and Moore for a couple of years at a modest rate.

    *********************

    GAUTHIER SHOULD BE SPELLED GOAT-IER (AND OUR STRUGGLE FOR A GOOD TEAM WILL BE EXTENDED) IF:

    1. He lets Halak or Price go for very little.

    2. He fails (as Gainey did) to get us this big net-crashing power forward we desperately need.

    3. He lets Pleks waslk for nothing or almost nothing OR signs him at over 5 mil (I love Pleks but we can’t afford it).

    4. He loses Boucher (and we get to keep JM… uh, yay….. not.)

    5. He doesn’t do anything with Markov or over-pays (anything more than what he is getting now is too much).

    6. He keeps the Bros K or gets little for them.  They have high potential and are budget-friendly. Despite some obvious knocks those two factors mean he shoudl get SOMETHING good.

    7. He does nothing wiht Moore and Pyatt who both played above expecations wehre it counts – in the playoffs.

    **********************

    MY GUESS….. when all is said and done Gautheir will have more check-marks in the lower list than the upper.  Especially losing Boucher is going to piss me off. That guy is EXACTLY what this team needs.  I bet he can even turn Gomez into a 60-point man!

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  35. TomNickle says:

    I agree with a lot of what you posted.  I don’t like the idea of trading Markov.  I understand the logic that people have and he ultimately is in Kaberle’s situation where somebody will pay huge money for him, and he’s a ton better.

    Markov can be signed to a long term front loaded contract and still come off the books if he retires prior to the contract’s end.  That is a huge advantage to us that PG should grab by the horns.  I suggest yesterday that they sign him to an 8 year $40 million dollar contract that pays him $20 million in the first two seasons.  That means a $5 million annual cap hit and he realistically won’t play after the age of 38.  Great deal for us I think.

    As far as Boucher goes, he knows that Jacques Martin is in his sixties and that he probably isn’t going to be here for another 5 years.  I think if Montreal is truly the place he wants to coach, he’ll stick around and wait Jacques Martin out.  

    Shopping Gomez only becomes an option if you can obtain a top 10 player in the league.  I’m not saying that because he is one himself, because he isn’t.  But rather because you need to have someone with elite passing ability to compliment Gionta or Cammalleri.  Those players aren’t nearly as dangerous without Gomez.  Brad Richards is in the final year of a contract that is pretty darn close dollar wise to what Gomez makes.  And Richards isn’t due for a raise after this season(although that’s what people were thinking about Marleau before he exploded this year).

    At the end of the day, Gauthier has an excellent core group to work around both with the big club and on the farm and has few needs to address but they are complicated.

    I think sending a goalie to a Western Conference team for a big physical scoring forward is an absolute must.

     

  36. punkster says:

    Jeez Rob you missed a few “ifs” in the top category. Like:

    8. IF he cures cancer

    9. IF he negotiates world peace

    10. IF he wins the Cup next season

    What I’m suggesting is that doing all 7 in your top list is next to impossible to achieve (8 if you include your either/or of number 3). Surely you would be happy with Gauthier if 3 or 4 or 5 of the list were completed? If not then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment (and June is waaaay too early to do that). And hey, what happens if he does all 7 (or 8) and they still don’t win the Cup? Is he still a goat then? Of course you’ve already set the stage with MY GUESS statement.

    (PS…I’m just surprised you didn’t get specific with number 3, as in “IF Gauthier kneecaps Gomez over the summer”….;) ;) ;)

    FREE TIMO!

  37. TechnoKid says:

    “9. IF he negotiates world peace”

    LMAO at that one. Can you see that as likely? :)

  38. punkster says:

    That’s better. If he can achieve half of your list then the team will improve. I may differ with you on a few though. Examples:

    - I don’t give a flying squirrel what he gets for the K brothers. In fact a flying squirrel would be just fine. I wouldn’t hold out hope of getting anything solid for these two stiffs (sorry but I had enough of both of them this season and ave no more patience…”potential” indeed)

    - I feel the panic over losing Boucher is way overblown and his value is way overhyped. He has never coached an NHL game and already the folks here make him out to be a hockey guru, an ice level genius, a Scotty Bowman in training. Like Price was the second coming. Like the K brothers had such “potential”. Seriously, if he gets an NHL Head Coach offer somewhere else then he’d be crazy to turn it down and we’d find someone else to coach the Bulldogs. He, like many of our “potential” superstars need to prove themselves in the bigs and not be annointed as saviours before their time.

    To each his own I guess.

    FREE TIMO!

  39. SmartDog says:

    I think a good GM will make these things a priority and be able to achieve at least half of them.  The easier ones I think are getting a good return for Price or Halak and signing the other, trading away the brothers K for one solid guy in return.  So he needs 2 more of the five.  I think Boucher should be his FIRST priority.  A new style coach with an ability to focus indifidually on players development. Consider what he might do for Pouliot or Price if he stays.  And NEW is key. He’s the style coachign needs to be today – and a great tactician to boot.

    As for Gomez. I’m realisitic.  He’s over-priced and over-rated but he’s not a bad player… just a shame in a salary cap world. I’d still trade him if we could because I think Pleks is better for less money.  But my world doens’t rise or fall if he stays or goes. But Boucher going… to me that would be costly.  And really dumb.  You have to know what’s REALLY IMPRTANT. Keepoing Boucher is HUGELY IMPORANT. Tradign Gomez would be nice – okay, REALLY nice. But it’s not nearly as crucial to our winning a cup in the near future IMHO.

     

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  40. otter649 says:

    Briere is 5’6″……….

     

    Whoa Baby – What’s Going On In Pennsylvania…..(Bob Cole)

  41. sidhu says:

     

    Should the Habs inquire about Tomas Kaberle?  “Toronto is seeking either a first-round draft pick, or a young player
    capable of immediately stepping into the Maple Leafs’ lineup.” 

    SK74 is a young player that can step into their lineup… he can be reunited with Grabs!  Perhaps so is Pacioretty.

  42. kakey says:

    If that happens every time the Leafs (should it be the Leaves?) play at the Bell it will be a big Boo fest, whenever Grabs, SK or Komo touches the puck. LOL

  43. mike g says:

    I don’t think the Habs will waste any long distance charges in an effort to acquire Kaberle…

    First of all he’s a Leaf, and trades that include a player of his magnitude will never happen between them and the Habs. Minor deals are extreamly rare between the 2 teams, so a deal including Kaberle IMO wouldn’t even be explored. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a world class player. We can all say we’ve seen how Kabs plays, and he’s one heck of a d-man. But, he’s somewhat of an Andrei Markov. We’ve got the latter, and PK Subs. Marky will need a new contract after next year, same thing for Kabs. They can both command 5+ million, so that’s alot of cake…

    As for your trade that would include SK, I don’t see him being able to even fetch Kaberle’s 12th stick. Were talking about a 50 point defenseman, who logs huge minutes and is able to take over a game. I can see him being dealt to WSH if they don’t sign Volchenkov, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fleishman go to Toronto.

    But to answer your question in a different way, if Kaberle wasn’t playing for the Leafs or any team in our division, I’d wanna make a serious push for him.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  44. habsguy says:

    don’t know if I would want Kaberle…BUT I at the right price ans of he were sound,  I’d take Komi back in a heart beat,  he has what we were missing against the Flyers.

  45. aemarchand11 says:

    Komi Pre-Lucic @ 2M = YES

    Komi Post-Lucic @ 4.5M = Never.

    -Halak it alot because the Price is right-

  46. habsguy says:

    isn’t that kinda what I said,  maybe you didn’t get it because of the typo…..Here try it again, ” for the right price, and if he were sound”………..

  47. aemarchand11 says:

    There you go.

    -Halak it alot because the Price is right-

  48. Ayan_SB says:

    Not sure if this article has been posted yet, but Guy Boucher just keeps on impressing me. If Muller’s going to New Jersey, why not offer GB the vacant assistant coach’s job? This is a team that has had trouble developing its prospects over the years and now we have a young coach who’s apparently amazing at player development, how do the Canadiens organizationlet him go and seriously convince us that they’re still in it to win it?

    Here are some quotes from a recent article in the Hockey News:

    “Sports psychologists are hired by Olympic athletes to help them focus on the present,” Boucher said. “It’s difficult sometimes, but I have to practice what I preach to my players. For me, at the moment, coaching in the NHL is one thing, but I’m also in the organization where I always wanted to be.”

    “My approach is based on the individual,” Boucher said. “So whether you’re talking about 17 or 18-year-olds or 30 or 35-year-olds, players want to improve, they want to win and ultimately you find the same problems and strengths in each individual. It’s the same starting point, so I didn’t need to adapt my approach too much.”

    I do like to think outside the box, I’ve always been like that,” Boucher said. “It’s a dynamic business where people are trying new things, so you’d better be up to date. I try to come up with new stuff, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. But in the past few years I’ve found a pattern that works for me.”

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/33943-Bulldogs-Guy-Boucher-tiptoes-around-questions-about-NHL-coaching-future.html

  49. mike g says:

    Muller going to NJ?

    I thaught John McLean was gonna be their bench boss

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  50. mike g says:

    OK, the Habs season ended over a week ago…

    So it is time for some change. I’ll be changing my picture of Simple Jack. I know, I know it’s a beautiful pic and Simple Jack is an awsome character….But, it’s time for something different…

    Here I go…

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

  51. SmartDog says:

    There will be a backlash.  The picture is not just a picture –  visually it’s YOU.   I did the same thing.. people complained, no-one knew who I was. 

    If you do, at least go with something along the same lines.

     

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    Not signing or trading Pleks = yet another missed opportunity.

  52. kempie says:

    Simple Jacques


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