Game 38: Canadiens scorched by Lightning

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AUDIO: Brian Gionta | James Wisniewski | P.K. Subban | Cedrick Desjardins | Jacques Martin

Another road game, another loss.

The Canadiens scored before the game was a minute old and played a solid first period.

Then a pair of Too Many Men penalties inside of a minute opened the door for a Martin St. Louis’s power-play goal that brought the home team to life – and sealed the Canadiens deeper into the tomb they’ve inhabited through this road trip.

Steven Stamkos scored twice, including a penalty-shot spinerama that infuriated Carey Price.

For habs farmhand Cedrick Desjardins gave up a goal on the first shot he faced, then made 24 saves.

Not hat he was under any great pressure from a popgun Habs attack and a power-play that went 0-for-5.

Not much time to mope.

The Canadiens play Florida at 5 p.m. tomorrow.

289 Comments

  1. tricolore says:

    They’ve already left. It’s just that we have to pay them for the remainder of the year.

    Lafleur, coming out rather gingerly on the right side.

  2. Everlasting1 says:

    I won’t call it flukey, but that was a junk goal off a defender’s skate.

     

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  3. habstrinifan says:

    That was the one enjoyable sight in the game for a HABS fan. Not the goal .. it was a fluke. But the speed of Max Pac.. which was demonstrated twice in the game. WOW!Hope we get to see him under an offensively geared coach.

     

  4. ManApart says:

    You’re starting to see what I’ve seen for 2 years. It’s just the beginning.

  5. HabFanSince72 says:

    Bugs’s boy is sucking the big one.

     

  6. JIMVINNY says:

    God I hate that penalty.  A bouncing contested puck like that shouldn’t count.  And Hammer seems to take several of those every season.

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    Gives up a goal 1 min into his first NHL game. Poor Cedrick.

     

  8. HabFanSince72 says:

    Gives up a goal 1 min into his first NHL game. Poor Cedrick.

     

  9. habsfan_61 says:

    maxpac!!. thats the kind of goals we should be getting. a player aggressively driving towards the net

  10. adam76 says:

    NEEDED to start hard.  Passion, bring it.

  11. Shiloh says:

    Speed kills!! MaxPac – afterburners!

  12. LA Loyalist says:

    So you’re the guy who bought the OTHER Gomez t-shirt!

    P.S. His mom called. She said you can have hers, she’s ashamed to wear it.

  13. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    Very true bud – I am not saying it’s a bad idea, I’d love to see such roster, but the truth is n today’s NHL – you have overpay for a player’s services. 

  14. habs365 says:

    cap wise..I don’t know if gainey could have done better..looking at their stats..there’s three of them over paid..if they were getting paid what there worth..I think we could have made it without going over the cap..anyway it was just a thought.

  15. observer says:

    gainey thought gomez and his salary was an excellent move by him.

  16. Shiloh says:

    1. In a heartbeat.

    2. Players rarely are together long enough to give them a name.

    3. GG-max

    4. Jamais!

    5. Absolutely.

    6. Not the first two rounds – after that yes.

  17. observer says:

    and gives up zero more the next 59 minutes

  18. observer says:

    white hockey stick

  19. Harditya_CareyPrice says:

    We’d be over cap, man – no way a team can afford that.

  20. tricolore says:

    ROFL

     

    Lafleur, coming out rather gingerly on the right side.

  21. tricolore says:

    Boucher names C. Desjardins as his goalie for tonight. I think the kid will shine. Habs will be reminded of what they had and should not have let go…well maybe it could not have been avoided…regardless…I want to be wrong.

    I want the Habs to light him up like a pinball machine tonight. Wishful thinking……

     

    Lafleur, coming out rather gingerly on the right side.

  22. kempie says:

    Better layer them all. We need the W.

  23. Max_a_million says:

    I love Gomez, and am not in favor of burying him in the AHL.

    Yes, they should definitely get rid of him if a fairy made it possible.  7.5 million is to much buying power, and gets you a really big time player.  

    The lines are changed too much to get cool nicknames

    How about Eller, Pouliot, Darche = Sand and Pastries line 

    I won’t buy $10 beers often, so I couldn’t tell you

    The Olympics are pretty darn exciting … if the habs are not in the Stanley Cup I would take the Olympics

    If Youppi had been taken someone would have been hurt.  Then again as much as I hate the Washington team, the Presidents are tremendously funny mascots especially when they are racing around banging into walls.

     

  24. habs365 says:

    if Gainey had kept.. Kovalev, Koivu, Tanguay..here’s what our team could look like up front

    1st  Cammy, Pleks, AK46

    2nd  Tanguay, Koivu, Kovalev

    3rd  Pouliot, Gomez, Gionta

    4th  Darche, Halpern, Lapierre

    maybe a lot of if’s here

  25. HabFanSince72 says:

    <HI/O mode on>

    Do you have seats behind the Habs bench? If so, how about “I’m with stupid”? and make it point towards Martin.

    <HI/O mode off>

     

  26. HUDSONHAB says:

    CAMMI

    ….Hab4life….

  27. observer says:

    I thought that young Tampa Bay coach(as opposed to old Habs coach) and that netminder were with Hamilton who is owned by Molso, but old GMs Gauthier and Gainey didn’t want a young guy coaching the Habs? Wasn’t Bowmanyoung when he coached the Habs. How old is Gauthier and Martin and Gainey planning on being there? As long as Joe Paterno?

  28. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pre-Game 2010 Year’s End Questionnaire.

    1. If a  fairy allowed the Habs to get rid of Scott Gomez today (including his cap hit and wages) should they do it?

    2. Why don’t forward lines have names anymore? Is it because coaches always juggle the lines or has the poetry just gone from the game?

    3. Come up with a name for a line from the 2010 Habs (even if it only existed for a few games). (Only one I can come up with is The Bouncing Czechs for Hamr and Spacek).

    4. Is the Molson’s beer at the Bell Ctr watered down (seems that way to me)?

    5. Youppi. Should he have gone to Washington with the Expos?

    6. In 2010 the Olympic hockey tournament was more compelling than the Stanley Cup playoffs, yes or no.

  29. HabFanSince72 says:

    Canadiens Scoring:

     

    Tomas Plekanec 11 19 30

    Mike Ribeiro 6 24 30

    Alex Tanguay 10 9 29

    Mikhail Grabovski 13 14 27

    Mike Cammalleri 12 15 27

    Michael Ryder 11 12 23

    Andrei Kostitsyn 12 13 23

    Brian Gionta 12 9 21

    Saku Koivu 10 9 19

    Alex Kovalev 8 9 17

    Scott Gomez 5 12 17

     

  30. Everlasting1 says:

    You don’t have the new Wiz tee yet? :-)

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  31. aemarchand11 says:

    Price or Gorges.

    Go Habs Go!
    2010-2011

  32. Say Ash says:

    Big decision: which t-shirt to wear tonight? Gomez, Cammalleri, Price, or Gorges?

  33. SLONCOLD says:

    ya taking bad penalties means stamkos one timers

  34. Bob_Sacamano says:

    1. Ak 46 is better on the right.

    2. Desharnais as center with White and Eller, really?

    3. Moen, worse than Lapierre and Darche so far this season, has a secure place? Why?

  35. observer says:

    Gainey’s expensive wasted signings. A very low IQd general manager. Maybe suffered many concussions but in those days they never tested.

  36. WestHab says:

    Picard

    - Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  37. Muckbringer says:

    it has become go time.  forget blaminging pg or bg.  forget blamming anyone.  

    geo is the captain.

     will this win tonight boys!

     

    that includes us witneses

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd02o6L69NE&feature=related

     

     

  38. observer says:

    Not feeling too good about my 2 favorite teams from 11 days ago to today in shock. Habs seemingly have gone bad, my other favorite team, New York Giants 11 days ago had a 21 point lead halfway thru the 4th quarter, just coasting and the win would clinch them their division title and put them in no worse than #2 playoff seed, but they absolutely fell apart starting with the coach’s brain and they even succeeded in losing that game in regulation time and now 11 days later have about no shot to even make the playoffs. Later that night Habs lost in Colorado and are now nearly out of #8.

     

    I still  say it because it is so, both these teams are very decent teams – but the most important thing in pro sports is management and coaching. Giants have a near 65 year old dinosaur as coach, Habs have too much age and lack of success at management level Gauthier 30 years never had a team even play in the Cup finals and Martin who in near 30 years never won a Cup.

     

    They are the age of the players grandfathers. Learned the games when these sports were completely different. Coughlin will be asked to step aside if there is no lockout in NFL, the entire Habs management and head coach should be removed by Molson.

  39. WestHab says:

    So it’s great news to have JW in the line up tonight but who sits?

    - Who will be at the Heritage Classic?

  40. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Loss of drive and commitment to play 60 minutes fall squarely on JM’s lap. He’s a pathetic coach with no system and an empty space between the ears. Talk about lack of size or talent all you want, it’s obvious that this team has quit playing for this tool of acoach. After this pathetic 1 & 6 road trip(yes they’ll lose tomorrow), if JM kepps his job then the hell with this season & the Molsons.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR.

  41. samTHEman says:

    i like this line up. but you forgot pouliot in there

  42. Chris F says:

    With his compete level, it’s a crime Ryan White is not on this team. I realise he’s been hurt, but if not for contracts he made this team out of camp. I don’t have a problem with letting the guy develop, but he’s good enough now.

    Do it. Do it now.

    Ak – Pleks – Gionta

    Cammy – Gomez – Pacioretty

    White – Desharnais – Eller

    Lapierre – Halpern – Moen (Darche and Laps compete for their spot-whoever plays better keeps playing)

  43. J_P says:

    It certainly doesnt look good.  If they can victimize tampa’s poor goaltending, and stay out of the box, they can win.  Hopefully this is just the typical december slump (which seems to plague the habs every year except for last), and they come out firing in january. 

  44. Bugs says:

    Dear Habs,

    Could we please not lose this time? It’s gettin friggin monotonous, you know? Mix it up a bit. And show some friggin life, why dontchehs?

    Thanks.

    Unquestionably unquestionable, I think I’m

    L. Bugs Potter, esq., Herzog of ze Abominable Habsuchtig Brigade, Markgraf of ze Fearsome Flanell Flausen Flank, und devoted minion of ze Habsbros Order: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  45. SLONCOLD says:

    not feeling good about tonight…. hope the habs wake up and play 2 out of 3 periods atleast…

  46. Chris F says:

    Very excited to see Wiz play, seems like he has a great attitude and he’s sincere about wanting to be in Montreal.

    Extremely happy Subban and Weber are playing.

    When we see a line of Desharnais, White, and (Pacioretty), given some actual minutes, we will see a truly well rounded team. I gaurantee it.

     

  47. duffy says:

    Spacek and Hamerlyk have to go .

  48. LA Loyalist says:

    Guys, what the hell is wrong?

    I’ve ranted enough — for a total of 10, please weight the following with points as to the problem: eg if you think it’s all Martin, put Martin: 10 half talent, half Martin, put 5/5…

    What is wrong with the Habs (total 10)

    Coaching:

    Lack of Talent:

    Lack of Effort:

    Poor mix of talent (BG/PG):

    Poor utilization of talent: _____

                                     10

     

  49. HUDSONHAB says:

    I know. As a Habs fan this is what we have to go though every year. We don’t like prosperity. Finishing 8th keeps us humble.

    ….Hab4life….

  50. habbyone says:

    Not looking good. Do we have a coach behind the bench? Obviously Tampa made some adjustments and the Jock man cannot counter.

  51. avatar_58 says:

    You say when – if the team doesn’t step it up there won’t be any playoffs. It’s not guarunteed simply because they had a good start. This slide needs to end.

  52. HUDSONHAB says:

    I think everyone knows that when he gets to the playoffs, Gomez will step it up. The problem is, Gomez only does enough during the regular season to get to the playoffs. That is very frustrating when the guy gets 7 mil per.

    ….Hab4life….

  53. Sith says:

    Desharnais = Gomez to AHL/buy out his contract. Thats a big no no for the organization.

  54. RC-51 says:

    3. ATM line #46,#14,#13

  55. HabFanSince72 says:

    Only Hab who isn’t sucking the big one tonight.

  56. Everlasting1 says:

    Boone’s game blog on the article.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  57. tricolore says:

    Totally agree. Too bad he hit the post in the first. I think as the game progresses we’ll see more of him and hopefully less of Hamrhead and Spacehead. 

    Lafleur, coming out rather gingerly on the right side.

  58. tricolore says:

    Lack of concentration and professionalism on the part of the Habs bench and players. What on earth? 2 straight Too many men on the ice penalties????? Even Don Cherry would never do that???? Hope the Habs do not completely deflate from this. 

    C’mon boys…..wake up. You need 5 out of 6 points in the next 3 to stay in the hunt. 

     

    Lafleur, coming out rather gingerly on the right side.

  59. volcano62 says:

    I love what I see from Wisniewski so far!

  60. adam76 says:

    where does everyone post during the game?

  61. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Carey Price looked like a minor leaguer on that Stamkos penalty shot.

    He sucks ob beakaways.

  62. Hoegarden says:

    Habs have scored 9 goals in last 6 games. Buldogs win tonight and Desharnais adds 3 more points, leads the AHL in points total. Time to send Eller down for a week or two and give Desharnais a fair shot now.

     

     

  63. observer says:

    id be happier if gauthier was fired and the new gm brings in his type of coach. remember there was no need to hire martin, he had a job in florida – he was salways gauthiers man from ottawa on and gauthier brought him in here because he was his man. martin cant be fired and gauthier allowed to just go pick someone else and molso suckered into still paying him.

     

     

     

    Time to clean house!

  64. Hoegarden says:

    He was also very weak on the first goal !

  65. larisalapointe says:

    Unlike you, I don’t know everything. ;)

  66. Everlasting1 says:

    Ridiculous. He never back-pedalled and never touched Price. It was a beauty.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  67. TripleX says:

    The reason I chose the Captain of the ill fated Titanic as my avatar, is because like him,most on HIO can’t see the looming iceberg until it smacks them in the face.

    Why is this current slump a surprise?  It was clear that it was stellar goal tending, and timely and miraculous scoring from Cammy, that lead this team to the ECF.  NOT JM!  The team won is spite of his coaching not because of it. 

    JM with over a 1000 games coaching was no mystery to the NHL.  Gainey KNEW what he was getting, yet signed him to a lucrative 4 year contract ,which effectively meant the loss of Boucher.  Just as Gainey KNEW what he was getting with Gomez.  Namely an overpriced player with little way of offensive upside. 

    Gainey torched the team he built, because he blamed them for the lost season.  He brought in high priced UFA’s with supposed grit and leadership.  He KNEW what he was getting!

    Is it the player’s fault again?  Is it all on JM?  NOOOOOO

    The blame lies with upper management.  This coach and this team is their high priced creation.  But people like Gainey and his hand picked protege will never take the fall.  Change the coach and get rid of more lazy players.  Who cares?  Nothing will improve until Geoff Molson sacks the old boys club and starts fresh.

    I don’t care if I am repeating myself because it has to change at the top for progress to ever occur.

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  68. tricolore says:

    Let’s keep in mind that many players who currently play for other teams ‘refused’ coming to Montreal when there was opportunity to do so. Even Gainey, who rarely said much when probed on such things, eluded to the fact that some players did not choose Montreal. 

    If you had offers by 2 or more ‘companies’ and had a opportunity to keep an additional 10 to 20% of your paycheck…you could make the more financially sound decision…..

    I don’t believe the media or language thing plays too heavily into the decision….well at least not the most significant reason. But having more cash in your pocket…is good enough reason for most.  And this fact cannot be ignored when wondering of other players who could have significantly improved this team over the years.

    In a nutshell, the Habs are a team that depend on powerplay goals and excellence from their goaltending to win. If either or both are absent….they don’t win. 

    Lafleur, coming out rather gingerly on the right side.

  69. W35T5ID3 says:

    OK ima tell it like it is.The habs looked uglier than my bloody avatar!

     

     

     

    -^^^—^^^^true very true^^^^^

     

  70. habstrinifan says:

    Now I lay me down to sleep.

    I Pray the Lord my cuss words bleep

    And less I die before I wake

    I pray the Lord this coach evict

    If I must watch another game

    I pray the coach is not the same

    I wish not you his Soul to take

    Just farctate him with Xmas cake.

     

  71. Laramy87 says:

    I want to question the penalty shot. Shootouts you can do wahtever you would do on a breakaway, penalty shots has to be a forward motion, when you turn and spin like that it should not count.

    I also question the call that lead to the penalty shot. When the player still gets a shot off as Stamkos did it should jsut be a penalty. Alas penalty shot goal should not have happened for two reasons.

    I cant wait till this road trip is over. It is atrocious they are going to be out of the playoffs before we know it. This team has skill and speed, where the hell is it for the last two games. Tonight and against washington i think they had liek 10 combined scoring chances. Stupid passes (mostly from Weber on the PP), stupid shot locations, just overall bad. I am one hell of a frustrated Habs fan right now

  72. ManApart says:

    Very much agree. Eller is doing nothing for this club. He’s only here so PG doesn’t look like a complete fool for trading him for Halak. Which of course he still does.

  73. observer says:

    what difference does it make. as soon as those hamilton players come here i mean all of them pac, dagostini, subban, trotter, whoever, even price as soon as they come here they play great for awhile then the gainey stranglehold with boring defensive martin’s help totally ruins every single young player who the habs call up. fire gainey and gauthier now. dont let gainey into that rink on the south shore anymore!

  74. Chris79 says:

    Right….

    Last year Everybody thought Gainey was a God….with all the Signings,Making it to the eastern Conference Finals…so i’m not try to make you Laugh Although Laughing is good in times like these..losing.    *jokes*

    Just can’t wait for the Holidays to end that’s all. Obviously in hockey perspective. so the team can start winning again.. anyways. the other teams know this…they are lucky they aren’t the ones that are on a road trip in December during the Holidays. 7 game road trip..pheeww.

    by the way, your right..ofcourse.!!! and i’m wrong…*ok* 

  75. Da Hema says:

    I wonder who Martin will bench for his two too many men on the ice penalties?

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  76. J Haul says:

    I was thinking the same things about the penalty shot. He got a shot off and I believe a 2nd whack at it. At that point it shouldn’t be a penalty shot, just a penalty. Also, that penalty shot move wasn’t even a “spin-o-rama”. I mean, the guy outright stopped in front and waited for Carey to go down before pulling his spin and shoot. The whole sequence made me sick.

  77. ManApart says:

    I know nothing except, the Gainey/Gauthier regime is completely incompetent and that a lot of people on this site are completely blind to that.

  78. observer says:

    a good excuse why for the liar gainey to use which could never be proved. so a player gets 4 offers 3 in usa and chooses a usa tweam it means state taxes are higher in the other 2 states! get real! maybe he didnt think newark nj was safe? the excuse they used to use was water tax! then taxes! then french language! then exchange rate! but when molson bought the team suddenly a $7 million gomez came here and pays the taxes, cammy signs, spacek, gill, even american guys all want to play here. do you know that gainey is looking to sell you a bridge to nyc? give him a call.

  79. Laramy87 says:

    I hate the whole score a goal and now sit on it. YOu are not gonna win too many 1-0 games.

    JM neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds to go, we need someone who wont make players sit back, i have been so frustrated watching most of the habs game in Decemeber where they have absolutely shit the bed. 20-16-2 now, only 4 games above 500, this is terrible

  80. habstrinifan says:

    Interesting. I tend to think you may be onto something there. I Wilson goes I can see Muller being clamoured for by Leafs fans.

    And why would he stay in Mtl.

     

  81. observer says:

    everyone? 88 point team! lowest points ever under the format to make playoffs by a point and with a losing record.

  82. observer says:

    let this slide continue and molson will clean house and bring in his own people ALL OF THEM. boivin has months left. this cliq boivin, gauthier, gainey and martin are nearing the end here and it may be sooner than later as i said if this slide cointinues.

  83. Thomas says:

    Come on, do you really think JM is really saying to the team, “ok guys, we got a goal, game over, lets sit on this an ride the wave to a win!”

    Of course he isn’t…These guys are in a slump right now, they’re not fighting, they’re not battling in the corners, for whatever reason, they’re just not playing well together.  Look at what happned to the caps earlier this year, look at chicago last year, 9 loses in a row!  I’m not saying we’re winning the cup this year, but these guys have to fight through this, and they will.  

    I don’t agree with what JM is doing, all these crazy line changes, puck posession hockey that we can’t work, but he’s the coach, they’re our players now, they just have to battle, they have to scrap, they have to not make panicky plays, and just relax and play like we can.  I still believe we are a good team, a playoff team, and once that happens who knows….

    I have the faith!!

  84. Da Hema says:

    Your first claim about income is a canard, and your second about Gainey is taken out of context.

    First, with the Canadian and US currencies essentially at par, a good accountant can minimise income taxation to the point where there is marginal difference between working in Canada and the US. Ten years ago, when the Canadian dollar was trading at 62 cents US, that may have been a factor for players–although the currency differential probably hurt Canadian NHL owners more than the players.

    Second, I recall Gainey talking about the challenge of getting players to sign in Montreal, but it sounded more like it was a problem for the team, not the free agents. Evidently some players prefer to play in anonymity (e.g., Florida, Atlanta) without pressure (e.g., Lacavalier). Gainey’s point was that the challenge for the organisation was to find players who would not wilt under pressure–a plausible consideration in a hockey-mad market.

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  85. observer says:

    on the tampa bay telecast they said the rule was changed and it was now legal. i agree with you on the other, i dont think he should have been given a penalty shot on that play. even the hook happened AFTER the shot was made and it was on goal?

  86. Caballero says:

    I agree about the line changes. I don’t understand why we expect players to do things that are completely counter intuitive to them. If JM puts Moen on a top line I am going to have to resort to voodoo.

  87. larisalapointe says:

    It’s not blindness. Let me put it another way, it’s acceptance. Just like a new Prime Minister, you inherit previous crap.

    Savard and Houle are the ones I “blame”. In a cap era, there is nothing much any GM can do. They can’t just walk into a store and buy a team. The arrogance of previous management is still screwing the team today.

    Maybe I’m exaggerating about Savard/Houle,  but whoever you would like to see run this team will be inheriting crap and won’t be able to produce miracles. So what’s your point repeating the same old same old?

  88. Chris79 says:

    A Playoff Team  yeah i agree they are too…

    I just wish we could get Dustin Penner somehow someway.

     

  89. oldrrty says:

    I do not know why he would stay at this point. I just would hate to lose another quality coach to another team. Look who they have lost in recent years, I do accept that some were fired and went on to other opportunities,

    Boucher

    Vigneault

    Julien

    Therrien

    Those are all good coaches that were let go by the organization that went onto be successful in other places. We can’t afford to allow that to continue. At this point could you imagine what would happen if they let Youppi go? By the way I do support Youppi as a replacement for Martin because honestly could he do any worse?

    I don’t care who wins as long as Toronto doesn’t!

  90. observer says:

    habs were playing great UNTIL brilliant habs mamnagement decided to bench subban who it seems now really is messed up and losing started UNABATED!

     

    molson – it will have to be done – stop dragging it out – CLEAN HOUSE OF THOSE 60 YEAR OLDS RUINING THIS TEAM – BOIVIN, GAINEY, GAUTHIER AND MARTIN!

  91. Laramy87 says:

    I know, it was more of an over exageration then anything. I was merely just stating the fact that i dont like JM or his coaching ways.

    This team has skill and speed, its jsut not showing at all right now. I guess its a good thing it is happening now when there is still over 40 games to play and lots of time to make things better, also a good thing we have alot of home games in January where we are a good team and hopefully turn things around.

  92. Laramy87 says:

    haha of course the Tampa telecast was saying it was a good goal. They were probably talking like it was the best goal scored in the last 5 years. Rod Black and Mike Keenan on TSN were saying it has to be a forward motion. Im curious to see the rule book

  93. MTLForever says:

    actually there are many times he has stopped a breakaway? and Stamkos stopped forward motion…and went into Carey’s pads. You wanna talk incompetence ? look in the mirror

  94. rocketsglare says:

    Himself.

    Go Habs Go!

  95. A. Berke says:

    you must be planning to sleep for a long time then!?

    Ali B.

  96. showey47 says:

    Thats the beauty of avatars. You know who you can have an objective, no biased debate with and who just hates the team because their favourite goalie was traded. We both know if it was halak in net you would be saying the same thing and i would have agreed with you because that is what acutally happened. I watched the replay 10 times in frame by frame motion. Both his skates enter the blue paint,the left makes contact with carey and on his spin his skates end up about a foot outside the bluepaint (this is referred to as backward motion). But like i said,if it was halak you would be saying the same thing saying its no goal. So thats why debating anything with you is usless and pointless.

  97. rushrules says:

    Our D are old and Tired.Period…

  98. bolder says:

    JM got schooled! F*** his dull style of hockey and being one of the lowest scoring teams in the league.

    F***ing 2 goals in the last 3 games? Get rid of this goof, and his favorite pylons!

  99. MTLForever says:

    - Wisniewski had a pretty good first game in the Habs uniform

    - Those back to back too many men penalties were the turning point

    - I didn’t like Stamkos’ penalty shot, he definitely stopped forward motion

    - Can’t blame Price here, the team needs to help him down at the other end

    - When I heard Desjardins was playing, you knew it wasn’t just coincidence

    - The powerplay was terrible, need to set up some sort of …anything really

    - Subban made some good hits etc

    - Auld tomorrow, he made some good saves at the end there when he went in

  100. ThirtyThree says:

    Damn, I thought this year I was going to save myself a few heart attacks, by seeing the Habs easily march into the playoffs. Ah well.

    The new guy looked good. If that shot goes in instead of hitting the post, maybe it’s a different story.

  101. MTLForever says:

    That shot and the terrible back to back too many men, that’s just unbelievable

  102. observer says:

    stopped forward motion – watching tampa bay telecast they  said that rule was changed?

  103. Chuck says:

    A number of things that I didn’t like about the penalty shot:

    • Though a spin-a-rama move is allowed, it’s on condition that the player’s forward momentum continues. Stamkos clearly stopped.
    • Forward motion of the puck must also continue. If the puck comes to rest, then the shot is deemed to have been completed.
    • Stamkos skated into Price, making contact with his pad a not allowing him freedom of movement to attempt a save.
    • The team that bitched about a young player pulling off a hot-shot move on a penalty shot then goes and does the exact same thing.

    Centre Hice: Bringing a knife to a gunfight

  104. Curtis O Habs says:

    Goodbye Jack.  Hello Larry Robinson, Muller, Carbo, Demers.  Somebody.  Anybody.  This team has loads of  talent.  Who can harness it?

  105. Aaron13 says:

    This coach can’t motivate the team. I never liked JM. He’s not a winner with no fire in the belly. Time to change the lock on his office door. Muller has all the qualities to be a good (interim) coach. He was a winner on the ice and is motivated off the ice. JM has already begun the process of ruining PK by holding him back and putting him in the shed. Who else will he ruin, as he did in Ottawa?

    JM is standoffich. Isn’t that obvious by his body language? He has no hockey sense either. That’s obvoius too. He disgusts me. A good GM would see that this coach has nothing to offer. Then again, who said the GM had brains?

    Time to speak out and string Martin up like Mussolini – upside down on a lamppost. What will it take? Fans tearing out seats at the Bell Centre and throwing them on the ice?

     

  106. Say Ash says:

    Agreed, Wiz looked good. But batting the puck out of the air was pretty lucky. I don’t get why JM’s playing righty with righty and lefty with lefty, though.

  107. Curtis O Habs says:

    “Goof”.  I love it.  Sums it up.

  108. linp says:

    Beaten by Desjardins! What a slap in the face. We aren’t good enough to face their regular.

  109. Jonson says:

    Carbo???? no thanks. he proved that he was pretty terrible.

    Ive been waiting for years…. I think its finally time. Fire JM and Hire…. ROY!! you wanna see someone who cares. IF anybody  can get AK going and Gomez its ROY

     

     

  110. Curtis O Habs says:

    He reminds me more of Yurtle the Turtle in a bad suit.

  111. montrealtilldeath says:

    I was of 2 minds last year when Montreal went deep into the playoff. I wanted them to do well but in a way I was hoping they would get blasted out early as it would ensure JM would be sent packing. This team will never win with him as coach. I was hoping the Habs would end up with Boucher as coach. Both times this year he has out coached JM. He is clearly animated and involved when you see him behind the bench.  JM displays no passion and now his team has the same demeanor. He just does not get it. Starting Auld in the Leafs game was a colossal error. I know it would be 2 games in 2 nights but every one in Canada knows we must go all out to beat the Leafs. The players know this and the fans know this but it seem JM does not. That game decision if you look at the current slide was pivotal. Subban is another example. Tremendous potential. He of course needs some guidance as he is a rookie defenceman. The job of the coach is to do the job without destroying the talent and the passion. This player has the passion of a Larry Robinson and will carry the team on nights if allowed. He is in the mould of the Canadiens of old this is why the Frrech fans love him. The talent!! The Passion!! Les glorieuse!!

  112. vic says:

    Well you treat players like crap like benching and  switching lines with comuting to the players you get crap backi.

     

  113. Curtis O Habs says:

      Auld should have started the Detroit game.  For some reason Jack had something to prove against Detroit instead of nailing down the sure two points in Toronto.

  114. Chris79 says:

    Can you imagine your sitting at your hotel and your family is sitting in front of the Christmas tree at home…especially our Captain Gionta..

    I feel the frustration with this losing streak tremendously, yet I feel they want to be home with there families for the Holidays and they can’t help it the way there playing..

    I feel sorry for them seriously… i know there millionaires, but that too can go so far in life.

    Anyways, Holidays are almost over….and I swear We’ll rise back to the top of the Eastern Conference and meet those teams again and get all our games back….I believe it.

    * WERE WAITING FOR YOU GUYS AT HOME…!!!* AT THE BELL CENTER BAAAABBBYYYYY.!!!!  WOOOHOOOO!!!!

     

     

  115. Jonson says:

    Maybe they should have signed a backup they had confidence in. Price is clearly tired and Auld isnt that good. He will play a decent game but let in soft goals. Why didnt go get a guy like Biron? You could give him a rest from time to time. Or let desjardins back him up.

  116. Kooch7800 says:

    How do they expect a goalie to make a save.  It is becoming a joke

  117. habstrinifan says:

    My french isnt great but I think RDS commentators were speculating on coaching replacements.

    Good for them.

    They even mention Ted Nolan… imagine that eh.

     

  118. Everlasting1 says:

    Yea, whatever. If there’s a rule saying you can’t stop on a dime then shoot, it’d be the most ridiculous rule in hockey.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  119. habstrinifan says:

    Watching the game tonite you cant blame the players. They are definitely playing JM systems… no fire no daring no skating… just sit back and hope the goalie is incredible.

     

  120. habstrinifan says:

    Would jump for joy if we land Robinson. Wow…. An experienced coach and a hockey legend. Please Please God make it HAPPEN!

     

  121. habstrinifan says:

    Please dont go there. Not tonight! We have had enough of old school thinking. I t was a great penalty shot!

     

  122. dlc2584 says:

    Here’s an interesting article:

    http://www.habstalkradio.com/2471/what%E2%80%99s-really-wrong-with-the-habs-a-second-look/

    I think JM has been the problem all along, when we were hot it was cause of Carey standing on his head. Our goals for during that period was horrible compared to other top teams. Now that Carey is in a slump we have huge issues…

  123. ooder says:

    lol Ted Nolan???

    ahahahahah

    u mean the guy who owes every single paycheck to dominik hasek

    ——————

    88 is the new 23

  124. Curtis O Habs says:

      Turco was up for grabs, as was Theodore.  Either would look good right now.

  125. Curtis O Habs says:

      As posted above Roy could bring some magic.

  126. showey47 says:

    I missed the last 2 periods of the game but i did watch the highlights. That penalty shot without a doubt should not have counted due to both stamkos and the puck not maintaining forward motion. I watched it over and over on the pvr and when you watch stamkos come in his left skate makes contact with price and his right foot is also in the blue paint. But after his spin both skates are at least 1 foot outside the blue paint which proves he went backwards before he shot the puck,hence forward motion was not maintained on the penalty shot. But from what it sounds like pretty much the entire team sucked in front of price again tonight.

  127. MTLForever says:

    Jacques Martin’s line up is confusing. I am not understand the D pairings of putting righty with righty etc. Also Auld needs more games. Price needs a break, I am sure Auld gets the go tomorrow. Price hasn’t had one terrible game, there has been some softies and what have you but he has kept us in every game as much as he can and then it’s up to the guys in front of him. 

  128. ManApart says:

    The Habs are so garbage. Boucher, Desjardins and the gang stuck it to them big time. Price is back to last year’s form and the team can’t score for it’s life. Embarrassing.

  129. ManApart says:

    Quit whining, Price had his jock handed to him as per usual on the breakaway. Always overcomitting on the first move.

  130. Graves says:

    If I remember correctly, Nolan dragged a garbage Islanders team into the playoffs by sheer force of will in ’07. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying he’s the answer for the Canadiens, but the guy’s earned at least a little respect. Besides which, if we’re going to start trashing coaches who owe their team’s playoff run to a goalie, well…

  131. Chris79 says:

    BLA BLA BLA .!!!!

    Jacques Martin’s System..bla bla bla…

    Your exactly the Fans Bob Gainey don’t want at the Bell Center or even be anywhere around the Team…

     

  132. Curtis O Habs says:

      The NHL has blackballed Nolan.

  133. observer says:

    bob gainey is exactly who real habs fans dont want anywhere near any player , coach or fake gm of this team.

  134. ManApart says:

    Gainey is one of the main causes of this mess. So don’t make us laugh, by bringing up his lame ass regime.

  135. observer says:

    the problem is above martin. martin was gauthiers coach in ottawa. he and gainey hired him when there was no rush and overpaid him purposely and for too long as well. then they let boucher go who was toi be the future. these 3 are 60 year olds who have pulled the wool over molson’s eyes. even when molson wakes up he will find that they got into his pocket for themselves BIGTIME.

  136. oldrrty says:

    SInce I am from Ontario and listen to the FAN590 they were mentioning that should Wilson be fired, then they would want Kirk Muller to be the next coach. This was on a radio call in show but still it does raise the question: When is Muller going to get his shot? At this point I think that we all agree that Martin needs to be shown a door.  Hell Carbo got fired for less.

    I don’t care who wins as long as Toronto doesn’t!

  137. J Haul says:

    Not only is it super insulting that they even played Desjardins tonight, but it’s outright humiliating that after he played like such junk, the team refused to capitalize on it. He was playing flat as a pancake all night and the habs just wouldn’t (or couldn’t) put it up high. Nothing makes a trash goalie look great like this trash offence.

    Beyond disgusted.

  138. observer says:

    Gainey/Gauthier SCAM JOB continues – and molsons has to pay for the new coiach, the old coach martin, the other old coach carbonneau because gainey and gauthier un-needingly gave huge long term contracts to their friends. WAKE UP MOLSON!

  139. larisalapointe says:

    He’s a Rebel without a Clue.

  140. observer says:

    35 games! the fools butchered him again. he started well every year than gainey drove him into the ground. when will people see it?

  141. ManApart says:

    Ok, like you have any idea hat you are talking about.

  142. Ed says:

    Tampa leads the league for fewest shots against at 27.2 per game. It’s their goaltending that has been really bad.

  143. samTHEman says:

    No one knows what to expect anymore as it’s hard to predict if the Habs will really play their hearts out there. If it’s any consolation, Tampa has allowed the most goals (120, tied with Oilers), and our Habs have the 3rd lowest with 86 behind Boston and LA. I don’t know if it means much because it all boils down to if the Habs show up. In the end, we might see a typical game of late, where the only players actually doing anything are Price and Pleky (despite Pleky’s bad last game, he’s been the best forward during this “slump”). One thing is for sure, Tampa’s got a sloppy defense. If we’re unsuccessful at controlling the neutral zone (which is quite often because of our size issue) then we need to get pucks in deep behind their net and make their D work.   They have a pretty weak defense and I bet they’ll take lots of penalties in their own zone if the habs are able to cycle it through and keep it in. Here’s to a GOOD GAME, and A WIN, hopefully :)

  144. TripleX says:

    Move the pic file to some where easy to locate like your desktop.  Once the file is uploaded you can remove it.  For some reason the server is unable to locate the file or perhaps the file is not recognized.  Is it a jpeg?

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  145. avatar_58 says:

    That sounds more like a problem on the server if you ask me

  146. Don Carnage says:

    Right click on the file is it set read only ? That might be the problem

  147. The Cat says:

    I cant change my avatar, it keeps saying:

    The selected file /tmp/tmp_qphaYg could not be copied.
    Failed to upload the picture image; the pictures directory doesn’t exist or is not writable.

    Any ideas?

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  148. TripleX says:

    Was just about to make the same point.  With even average NHL goaltending, the Lightning would be higher in the standings.

    Boucher obviously believes a great offense is the best defense.  Polar opposite to JM, which should make for an interesting game.

     

     

    “I don’t like to keep kids like that out of the lineup. They need to play; that’s how they’re going to get better.” Jacques Martin

  149. ed lopaz says:

    Boucher does NOT believe great offense is the best defence.

    Boucher coaches what he has – and he knows he wins when his best players are playing their game.

    This is Martins great failure as a coach.

    The best coaches take what they are given – in Bouchers case an amazing offense – and uses it to their best advantage.

    Martin has excellent offensive players – the top 6 are very talented – but they are required to play in a system that does not allow them to take offensive risk.

    The habs win when Price is the best player on the ice. exactly the same as last year. nothing has changed.

  150. kempie says:

    Agree about JM and his Square Peg Syndrome. It’s his biggest flaw.

  151. RS says:

    The great thing about Bruce Boudreau is the way he lets his skilled, offensive guys just play offence. What a coach!

    It’s great for the other eastern conference teams, especially the Habs last year in the playoffs.

     

  152. J_P says:

    Some coaches have a “defense first” mentality, Martin seems to have a “defense ONLY” mentality.  He seems to have forgotten that you need to score to win games.  This is why Martin is not the coach for this team.

    When I saw that Martin got hired, I said “ok, I dont like him, but hes a veteran coach”, and than Gainey acquired Gomez, Gionta and Cammy, who are all skilled, offensive forwards… It was puzzling than, and its still puzzling now. 

  153. J_P says:

    Yeah, because Martin’s “system” of “let the other guys take all the shots that they want and pray our stellar goaltending holds up” worked real well against the flyers.

     

  154. punkster says:

    Name the 3 Habs players equal to Vinny, Marty and Stevie as scorers? JM has some excellent offensive players, as you say, but he doesn’t one single superstar scorer like Boucher does. If he does they’re not living up to expectations.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  155. Brocas Brain says:

    Except Travis Moen

  156. ManApart says:

    Seems like a very solid pick-up. I was getting fed up of seeing Picard on the PP. A little physicality on the back end doesn’t hurt either. Was impressed with Wiz the last few times the Habs played the Iles. Was very involved.

  157. The Cat says:

    Yes its a jpg. Showey was saying the other day that he was having difficulty, so I thought Id try it out too, but I cant do it, It should work, Ive done it before.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

     

  158. emann_222 says:

    I”m going through the same problem … gonna try that “desktop” solution

    Visit me at http://www.bleedbleublancrouge.blogspot.com

  159. emann_222 says:

    That didn’t work for me either! Damn!

    Visit me at http://www.bleedbleublancrouge.blogspot.com

  160. zak says:

    Metro looks really good at the splengler cup.

  161. ManApart says:

    Losing Metro for Eller was a definate downgrade. Metro was very effective on the PP and had very nice chemistry with Moen. I real solid depth guy. As for Eller, I still believe he’s better off in Hamilton as he does not help the Habs very much. Don’t even get me started that we gave up Halak for him.

  162. smiley says:

    Losing is one thing but it’s the TOTAL LACK OF DISCIPLINE that bugs the hell out of me. We

    are CONSTANTLY taking more penalties than we are drawing. We lose every game now by 3 goals

    and lose to a rookie goalie making his debut. Total lack of passion and character!!!!

  163. MontrealAtheist says:

    I am hereby demanding JM’s head … This idiot is bringing down the entire club and seems to be able to get away with everything with impunity. What ever happened to our fine tradition of sacking useless coaches and giving the team a fresh start? If the Devils can do it, surely we can as well. We’ve been outcoached by our former farm coach, outperformed in net by our former farm goalie and outplayed badly overall. I’ve got news for you, JF: If you keep on doing what you’ve always done you will keep getting the same results.

    Don’t expect things to be very different against Florida as long as this clown is in charge.

  164. mbplekfan says:

    Many people said this team was dead when Markov went down. Obviously the players believed them. They know the team doesnt have the defence to win it all and have decided to play out the season.

    Lapierre is useless, but what else should we expect from a guy on a one year deal? He’s not willing to put himself on the line with no insurance beyond the end of the season. Pouliot likely is getting similar advice from his agent.

    Hard to win with Gill, Hammer and Spacek as your core defence. The veterans are mailing it in again.

     

     

  165. habsfanincalgary says:

    belated merry christmas fellow habbies,

    after watching this team closely for a few decades, i’ve concluded that the team that jumped to a fast start is now, just an average, mediocre team at best.  the strength of the team is goaltending, but that’s as far as it goes. 

    some observations:

    - i can only recall one, perhaps two games this year that this team has commanded a game.  the 7-1 win against carolina and a 5-1 win over the NYI.

    - the 46-13-14 line worked very well at the start of season.  since then, most of that line has played with other teammates.  sometimes lines gel, other times they don’t.

    - jacques is going to shatter the confidence of PK.  he is a rookie.  rookies make mistakes. the in and out of the lineup has got to be messing with his head.

    - this team has had trouble scoring, both last year and this year.  last year, being shutout 11 times, and this year already a few times.  the team has only two bonafide goal scorers:  gio and cammy.

    - for as many reasons as gainey brought over gomez, he is not worth the money!  i would rather have two other higher impact players for his salary or even, yes, i’m saying, kovulchuk!  he can provide offence, and this year’s version of the team is lacking it once again.

    - why is mathieu darche on the PP?  he and eller aren’t doing very much and would benefit more of some time in hamilton.

    - max p is not a top 6 forward at this time.  with the amount of points for the ice time that he has had, i would have expected more from a top 6.

    - the team hasn’t had very many good ‘quality’ shots on goal.  by ‘quality’, i can recall benoit pouliot’s goal against DET as one of the last good ones that i can remember in recent games…

    - does anyone know what cap impact of markov’s absence is to the team?  i’ve been saying this for a while, but i really think that the PP lacks the big shot…sure, MAB was a defensive liability, but he was cheap and his shot helped last year’s PP. 

    - on the bright side, carey has played well for the most part when his team has put some goals on the board for him.  the PK has worked well…

    - anyone know why PG didn’t go after alex tanguay or saku koivu?  tanguay current points would put him 1 behind TP.  and saku’s salary, for the faceoffs, PK and PP, would be better justified than some of the bigger contracts on the team.

    there you have it…my $0.02.  curious to hear your comments…

    i hope the team has a better second half of the season, but until then, have a happy new year!

  166. The Cat says:

    I think theres an old guard and a new guard on the habs, the problem is the old guard and the new guard dont really like each other.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  167. mbplekfan says:

    some good points but MaxPac has barely gotten his feet wet and cant be faulted considering he’s scored two and turned around Gomez’ year.

    Tanguay or Koivu? seriously….

    MAB? no really, I have no idea what you think that piece of s*Yt  can do.

    Eller needs NHL ice time to develop. Its been so long since we had a rookie no one knows how to deal with them anymore.

  168. MTLForever says:

    Eller has done some really good things out there that show you he is ready, yes he makes mistakes but everyone does. As much as sending him down could help, the AHL isn’t near the pace etc as NHL that he needs for him to grow.

  169. Duracell3 says:

    To me it seems his biggest problem is strength, he’s constantly getting out muscled.

  170. Duracell3 says:

    No way Koivu would come back. Can’t blame him either.

    the darche thing on the PP was a joke.

    We have plenty of good D-men, no real need for MAB imo. Now if we signed and played him as a winger on the 4th line, except on the PP, sure i’d think about it.

  171. thehabsfan29 says:

    A Few points about tonights game and the habs

    -wiz looked impressive. really hope we can re sign him (trade was a steal for the habs)

    -it might just be me but im ecstatic that hammers contract is up at the end of the season. too many dumb penalties and he gets caught quite a bit (spacek and gill havent been much better lately)

    -is it just me or does anyone else have a feeling that markov won’t be re signed at the end of the season and signed else where.

    -when it comes to PK. every rookie makes mistakes. but JM isnt helping by the lineup changes (scratching pk) PK will for sure get out of this slump. its just a matter of time.

    -i dont think laps will be a hab next season.i find hes useless and would rather trade him if we can. as for AK46 im not really sure

    -as for gomez we r stuck with his contract. hes not great but hes not bad but his salary his terrible yet it can always be worse just think of kovalchucks contract and how bad hes been playing this season.

    -like in a post earliar price looks like he did last season. lets hope its just a slump. he needs to start playing like he did at the start of the season.

     

    last but not least i think its time to fire JM. hate his defensive system  and i think he has a negative effect on the players (especially PK)

     

     

  172. shootdapuck says:

    This team has more sacred cows than the streets of Bombay and Delhi combined! The names are obvious!

    Time has come for ownership to make hard decisions at all levels based solely on hockey and get this organization to prioritize on-ice success and build a winner!

    Accountability throughout the organization is not prioritized on winning but marketing and politics.

     

     

    “The three stars as selected by Red Fisher of the Montreal Star:
    1st star: Henri Richard
    2nd Star: Doug Harvey
    3rd Star: Jacques Plante

    Final score Detroit Red Wings 5 Montreal Canadiens 3″

  173. LTHF says:

    As i stated in a post earlier this year, this is a confused hockey team headed by a very confused coach. He dont have the ability to fire a team up but sure has the ability to deflate a team—-proven last night.  How many times have they been called for TMM–must be the only category they lead the league in. And how about having that high scoring power forward–Darche on the PP-   wicked move. Sure working isnt it?

  174. LTHF says:

    IS MARK MESSIER AVAILABLE FOR THE COACHING JOB??

  175. habsfan_61 says:

    wow! the frustration level on the board is off the charts. we’ve broken the meter.yeah it sucks that we are having a bad road trip, but, this trip has been not kind in past years with the exception of the last 2(08 &09) we also see that the post holiday sked short-term is tough as well. i just hope mgmt doesnt make any panic/rash moves just to get a band aid solution. that being said, something must be done or this season will go down the drain and soon.

  176. OverseasFan says:

    If this makes anyone feel any better (and it probably won’t) we are still ahead of where we were last year at this time.

    Go Habs Go!

  177. Caballero says:

    ah, I missed how repugnant this forum gets when the team starts losing. Must be tough in that dressing room right now.

  178. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Reading your nick, reminds me of the Bones Brigade.

  179. observer says:

    RIGHT NOW DRESSING ROOM IS EMPTY. HABS WENT TO MIAMI.

  180. chartraw27 says:

    man that was sad to watch. no emotion no fire. Price needs some rest. Webber was really bad as was most of the team. I was never a Martin fan that being said, if they get rid of him who do they get to replace him. Muller? Asst. coaches rarely have much success when they replace the head coach. What a horrible month of hockey it has been. Wis looked pretty good. I though PK was alright except for a couple of crazy plays.  Hopefully tomorrow is a better night . It looks like the team has quit listening to JM.

  181. Brocas Brain says:

    I wonder if we’ll see a rematch in practice this year?

    James Wisniewski vs Travis Moen –

  182. Max_a_million says:

    No one scores on Gomez’s wing …

    Everyone scores on Desharnais’ wing …

    Time for Gomez to be a 3rd line checking wing, and Desharnais to set the table!

  183. mike g says:

    Buddy…

    If Desharnais was a winger, I’d say he has a very slight chance at playing in the NHL.

    But as a centerman, he’s just too small, and lacks the “special” talent that those small centerman have.

    It sucks for the guy, he looks like a really level-headed player with a good attitude. But there’s a reason he’s down there.

    In his brief stink with us last year, he looked like an 8-year old kid playing with men.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  184. Favorite Son says:

    Pacioretty-Desharnais-Eller. Pyatt to Hamilton. Who’s down with this?

  185. SeriousFan09 says:

    Always Looking On The Bright Side of Life:

    RW Danny Kristo woke the hell up today and had a goal and 2 assists in a 5-0 win for his North Dakota team over Minnesota-Duluth, it was easily his best point production game of the season.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  186. DarthWade says:

    One thing that gets me wondering is in the last game, the cameras showed the guys on the bench. While they were losing, Gionta and someone else (Gill maybe?) were laughing while the team is losing. I think they’ve given up on this road trip and will just try to bring it back again when it’s over. They’re not taking it seriously. They’re not getting angry. Wouldn’t you be pissed if you were on this team? Wouldn’t you get angry as hell and want to go out there and kick ass?

     

    Tonight’s first period was pretty good – they actually seemed to fly across the ice (like the good ol’ days). After the first intermission it was gone. I think they may be fed up with Martin or something because this is a real joke. They are better than this. It must have warmed PG’s heart to see Desjardins get the win tonight.

     

    I think they’ll bounce back eventually but we probably need another trade or some call-ups for it to happen.

  187. Caballero says:

    It’s tempting to use our imaginations right now and say the players are thinking this or that about the coach or what have you. I thought that the body language was slightly better tonight and I did see some hard hits and frurstration at a point. Obviously, the one thing I will say is that it is up to the coach and his team as well as the leaders in that room to fix whatever is going on. If they can’t do it in a timely manner, then heads should roll. The one thing I am not liking is that this team is going to get younger very soon, and we need someone who works well with younger players. Not sure JM is that guy.

  188. Chris79 says:

    Hi DarthWade,

    Sort of what im sayin there gettin sick of this holiday road trip hockey hell…

    They just want to go home and freshin up…and pound the hell out of those teams that beat us..

  189. samTHEman says:

    Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  190. Favorite Son says:

    Racist.

  191. RS says:

    I think of Halpern as Metro’s replacement. Eller replaces S Kost.

  192. 24 Cups says:

    RS – SK 74’s replacement up front was Boyd.  Plain and simple.  Eller is the new long-term asset that we received for giving up another long-term asset, Halak.  Eller’s arrival also meant that we could let Moore sign elsewhere.

    Just keepin’ it real.

  193. Favorite Son says:

    I completely disagree. Being small doesn’t mean sh*t. If Nathan Gerbe can play in the NHL, so can DD. I don’t see why he wouldn’t have the potential to be as good as a Briere, for example.

  194. SeriousFan09 says:

    4 inches of height and a boatload of talent seperates him from Briere.

    Not all small players are created equally, some are much, much faster than others and have what can only be called ridiculous strength for someone of their size, Desharnais has neither.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  195. shiram says:

    Gerbe’s stats in the nhl are hardly impressive,  44 games, 3 goals and 10 assists. I’m interested in DD too, but i have not seen him play mcuh, so i’ll take the word of those who have.

  196. mike g says:

    As I said above, he lacks that “special” talent..

    Danny Briere has it.

    Marty St-Louis, Gionta, Theo Fleury, …….THEY HAVE IT.

    Desharnais is a very, very good hockey player. Believe me.

    He just doesn’t have that extra attribute that can put him over the top in the NHL.

    And it’s sad to say it, but if he was 4 inches taller he’d be in this league.

    That’s where size matters. In his case, it’s what keeps him from being in MTL.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  197. Sith says:

    Believe me. LOL! What is that extra attribute that you can find in say Tom pyatt, but not Desharnais?

     

  198. Favorite Son says:

    lol seriously! Because Pyatt’s good on the penalty kill?? Puhlease.

  199. Favorite Son says:

    He’s killing it in the AHL right now, he’s the best player, doesn’t that justify a callup? At least give him a shot is all I’m saying.

  200. Favorite Son says:

    His stats certainly justify a callup. He was your first star this week, if I’m not mistaken. Shouldn’t they at least give him a decent try and see if he can handle himself in the NHL before assuming that he doesn’t have what it takes?

  201. Favorite Son says:

    lol I love how you’re so sure he can’t make it! Are you his agent, his current coach or personal trainer? 

  202. SeriousFan09 says:

    I gave him 1st Star because he earned it, but my handing out a 1st Star doesn’t make him an NHL-quality player, but among the 20-odd players I’m tracking this season he happened to be the best player for the week of December 20th.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  203. bwoar says:

    Desharnais: too slow, can’t play in his own end.  Excellent AHL career in front of him.  Next, please.

  204. samTHEman says:

    PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

  205. Max_a_million says:

    Agist!

  206. Everlasting1 says:

    And your point is..??

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  207. habstrinifan says:

    What’s with all ths analysis, investigation, complaining, griping on THIS penalty shot. It was a thrilling play by a young star in the nhl. If this had happened in Montreal the fans would have been standing on their feet and roaring for least 30 seconds.

    Maybe JM’s lacklustre approach to hockey has imbued HIO with acrimony to any show of style in the game. It was a great play. Compare the penalty shot in hockey to that in soccer. It will evolve (hopefully) to a demonstration of unpredictability and yes some craziness as it has in soccer. I say OLE.

     

  208. samTHEman says:

    ak-plek-cam

    pouliot/pacioretty-gomez-gio

    pacioretty/pouliot-desharnais-eller

    moen-halpern-darche

    lapierre

    pyatt

  209. Max_a_million says:

    Size, Speed, Grit, etc all can contribute to winning hockey games yes, but in the end the ONLY statistic that matters is who scores more goals during the course of a game. 

    Desharnais gets everyone he plays with to score, while no one scores with Gomez at centre. 

    Why not try it and see if it works?  Really would trying be so bad?

  210. samTHEman says:

    size, speed and grit are factors that help you score goals. if you’re weak, slow, and small, you will have a hard time scoring goals. your speed helps you get around and past defencemen, your strength/grit and size helps you protect the puck as you manoever in the offensive zone. you can’t, and here’s the key word, consistently create scoring chances if you’re too small, too slow, or too weak. how many times have we seen the habs lose one on one puck battles? gomez..cammalleri…gionta…if you;’re too small you’ll have trouble taking the puck from a bigger player. it’s only logical. skill by itself can only accomplish so much

  211. bwoar says:

    Yes, trying it would be bad.  I have to wonder at the agenda of people coming on here thinking Desharnais is a better hockey player than Scott Gomez.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.

    Let me point out that Desharnais plays every one of his shifts against AHL opponents.  Will he be so lucky if he centers Gionta and Pacioretty?

    I have a better idea: let’s send Gomez to Hamilton and put DD in his place in Montreal.  It should take roughly 2 whole games before people wake up to reality and actually blush while the rest of the league gets a good laugh at our expense.

  212. punkster says:

    Why not try it?

    1. He’s a star in a boy’s league, not a men’s league.

    2. He’s too small.

    3. He doesn’t need to have his hopes and dreams crushed yet. Give him a couple more years on the kiddy circuit to build up his skills, add a few pounds and show he can cut it in the bigs. Remember, he ain’t no St. Louis or Gionta…yet.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  213. habs365 says:

    They looked disorganized and showed very little interest..whats with that..how can a pro hockey player play like this game after game..a bad game here and there is ok..you know if I was making millions like these guys..I would feel so bad..I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night..say what you want about martin and don’t think for a moment I’m a martin fan but..it’s not his fault his players can’t put the puck in the net..their scoring percentage tonight was 3.6..tampa bay was 17.4..a big difference wouldn’t you say considering tampa bay had five less shots. like I said in a earlier comment..they couldn’t score in a soccer net.

  214. HUDSONHAB says:

    I’ll take speed, skill and heart over some guy that just has size any day.

    The problem with being small is that when the heart or energy is not there then you can’t just bonk someone on the head and take the puck.

    ….Hab4life….

  215. Max_a_million says:

    Gomez is as fast as they come, and he doesn’t score goals. 

    Moen has tons of grit, he doesn’t score goals. 

    We have had lots of fast and gritty players who can’t score. 

    There is something to be said for seeing the ice, and being a playmaker. 

    Adam Oates was a great assist man, he wasn’t big or fast. 

    Gretzky wasn’t an all-time great because of size, speed, and grit … 

    According to these ideas Tom Kostopolus would be the best player in the league, and he isn’t even close even if Guy Carboneau thinks otherwise. 

    No, I am not saying Desharnais is these players either.  I am saying we need a playmaker, and he should be tried. 

  216. samTHEman says:

    Your arguments are flawed. Moen has grit but no hands and no scoring talent. Gomez is fast but is not strong and that’s why he can’t win one-on-one puck battles along the boards. Kostopoulos is fast with above average grit but has no scoring talent. What I was saying is speed, size and grit are factors that contribute to goal scoring. First, foremost and above all, you need to have scoring ability, obviously.

  217. Max_a_million says:

    There are flaws in both directions that was precisely my point.  I think there are places for playmakers, and sometimes players who don’t fit the mold bring talents that bring about great success. 

    Doug Flutie was never big enough, strong enough, had a good enough arm … yet he won everywhere he played. 

  218. samTHEman says:

    fair enough but the fact still remains that the habs have too many small players together

  219. MTLForever says:

    It’s funny how you do not see the point?

     

    THERE HAS TO BE FORWARD MOTION AT ALL TIMES

    STAMKOS STOPPED

  220. Everlasting1 says:

    Oh of course..the refs musta missed that from across the rink.

    Where does it say Stamkos CAN’T STOP?? The puck was always in motion, and bringing it back for a spinner is obviously acceptable. Are you implying the refs don’t know this? That Stamkos never practiced this move for such an occassion? You have zero imagination.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  221. MTLForever says:

    I know the rules and watched the goal multiple times. You’re a waste of time.

  222. Everlasting1 says:

     You’re not the only one who questioned it..all loser talk. I’m done with you.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  223. ooder says:

    actually the puck was not always in full motion.. it and stamkos made a completed stop

    ——————

    88 is the new 23

  224. Everlasting1 says:

    Actually, I would argue he nor the puck ever stopped moving. Suck it up.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  225. MTLForever says:

    Hahahahaha no we all saw the same damn thing, i’m done with your idiotic comments.

  226. Everlasting1 says:

    Click here. I know you will because you’re a ..

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  227. avatar_58 says:

    Desharnais = no Gomez? Why can’t Desharnais center the 3rd line and go from there? Pouliot – Desharnais – Lapierre? Sit Eller a game and see what happens. Maybe give him a shift with Gionta / Cammalleri on the powerplay.

     

    What is this “against AHL” nonsense? Is he supposed to be playing against NHLer’s in the AHL? You play good in the AHL, you get called up when the chance arises. It’s not rocket science. Pacioretty played against those same AHLer’s, as did AK46 and Plekanec in the day.

  228. samTHEman says:

    Yeah besides, the problem right now is not Scott Gomez. We did quite well even when he wasn’t producing. He had 6 points in the first 25 or so games. No individual can be blamed for the team’s lack of success lately. It’s a combination of things. A large part of it is mental.

  229. Sith says:

    No one is saying Desharnais is a better hockey player than Gomez. I think that Desharnais can perform at the same rate if not better than Gomez. 

    Clearing up 8 million on cap space, and giving a prospect a real chance to play with real wingers will no doubt make us the laughing stock of this league.

     

  230. keepthefaith says:

    I agree. We have bigger problems than Gomez right now. Until the Wiz showed up we had two number 7 D men ( Picard and Weber ) playing 3rd pairing minutes. And paired together. Which is totally dumb and has to fall on the coaches. Hammer and Spacek are playing way too many minutes and Georges is hurt. Gomez is not the main problem and DD is not the answer.

  231. J_P says:

    Not to mention price is playing WAY too many games.  If the organization was going to have such little confidence in alex auld, than why sign him to begin with?

    This organization needs to get a back up they have confidence in and let Carey price get a rest.  Goalies who start 70+ regular season games can’t go the distance in the playoffs, its just too much. 

  232. Caballero says:

    Very hard to read tone on an internet forum.

  233. Favorite Son says:

    1. This argument is useless: everyone plays in the AHL before being called up. Pacioretty did it, AK did it, Plek, etc

    2. That’s what they said to Martin St-louis. (not comparing them, just saying you deserve a shot if the stats are there)

    3. He’s been playing in Hamilton for a while now, his time has come for at least a shot)

  234. Max_a_million says:

    He is the same age as Martin when St. Louis made the leap. 

  235. punkster says:

    1. DD is NOT in the same class as Pleks or AK (or as AK was thought to be at the time). Pax is a newbie who has been here before, couldn’t cut it, and is now getting another shot. He hasn’t secured his position yet.

    2. No that’s not what they said about Marty. Small, yes, but lights out talented. DD is not anywhere near that class…yet.

    And therein lies the story. DD may gain the talent, expereince and the additional weight that will give him the capability of getting a shot in the bigs but he ain’t no Marty now, is he?

    Hey, I have no problem with giving the kid a few games, like near the end of the season if we secure a playoff spot or some time when an injury callup is required for out top 6 forwards, but in slump? No way. To risky to him and to the team.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  236. punkster says:

    Well MaM, if DD is a Marty clone or equal to a Marty in skill then, hey, let’s do it.

    But he’s not. And there’s nobody out there who would even suggest he is.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  237. Max_a_million says:

    No one thought that much of Marty at the time either … 

    He was NOT drafted, and Calgary released him after amassing similar stats in the AHL to Desharnais. 

    He wasn’t big enough either. 

    (Fun fact: I attended UVM with him)

  238. Max_a_million says:

    You are wrong about Marty … that is exactly what was said about Marty.  I have followed his career closely. 

  239. punkster says:

    Cool that you went to school with him. But Marty had something special and it did take him a couple of shots at the bigs before he found the right spot. That spot was with Vinny. How much influence or impact did that have on his career taking off? And do we have a Vinny type of talent? Like I say, I like the kid and I’d like to see him make it, with the Habs or elsewhere. Maybe now is not the right time though…for him. If he’s that good then he’ll be even better when he does get the call.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  240. Max_a_million says:

    I think Marty took off on his own, and has showed that with years of consistent NHL and international play.  He wasn’t special until he was special (on the nhl level, he was great in college) … 

    We will have to agree to disagree on Desharnais, I would still like to see him get a chance.  I like Gomez, but the lack of scoring is frustrating and I wish we would try something else. 

  241. punkster says:

    No sweat. Neither of us are experts or we’d both be behind those benches tonight LOL. In any case, I admire Marty’s heart and talent. I hope to admire DDs in a Habs uni some day soon. Just not yet ;)

    ***Subbang!!!***

  242. LA Loyalist says:

    Take the pain now guys, don’t ruin him by rushing him. You’d think we’d learn our lesson. Aside from everything else, there’s the sheer physical stamina of going 80+ games, the travel, everything. Let him cook in the soup a bit longer. 

    Same with Tinardi, LeBlanc, etc. Patience. If there was a PLAN for this team the timeline and succession plan would be clearer. 

    But the only plan in Montreal is to sell beer. 

  243. Timo says:

    So assume miracle happens and Martin gets canned what do Habs have then. 2 ex coaches that are still being paid for the next 2 years, 1 useless enforcer collecting about 2K per day, a former GM who is now in some sort of figure head position (yes PG really needs a special advisor)… how many former coaches and player does this organization pay? Is Mario still on the payroll? I wish for once they’d hire competent hockey people who build a team that can play in the modern NHL and have a real plan for the near future. (Bobo’s pyatiletka doesn’t count)

  244. DarthWade says:

    I don’t mean to get into a big French/English thing here, but I wish they could let up a bit on the requirement that the Coach has to speak French. I can understand the need for it, but in today’s world it may be more of a hinderance than anything else. At this rate we’ll be stuck with Brunet as Coach eventually.

    Prediction: Patrick (the Saint) will one day Coach the Habs. I just know it – I can feel it coming.It may not be after Martin goes, but it’ll happen.

     

     

     

     

  245. rocketsglare says:

    I’m beginning to believe that this team is fundamentally inept at best and maybe stupid at worst and in

    need of big time changes to this roster. How you can have two consecutive too many men on the ice pen-

    alties and be so fundamentally atrocious is beyond me. Either the team is inept or is actually mediocre.

    You decide.

    Go Habs Go!

  246. Chris79 says:

    Stupid…?   nice one.. think of your team that way … Effin good one…!!  Unf****nreal..

  247. dre1744 says:

    I just hope Price is in a funk right now  but too me he is playing frustrated right now and he has gone back to the way he looked last season. If you watch him these last 9 games   he isn’t handling the puck too well anymore and making dumb passes. I noticed hes not tracking the puck aswell as he did at the beginning of the season.

    As he did last season he gives his Dmen dirty looks after goals are scored. And just like last year pucks are going in off his defense men again.

     

    I also noticed one more thing  JM  has turned Mike Cammalleri  into a defensive player.   Has anyone noticed that MIkey plays  on the penelty kill now  he never played there before!!!!!!!!

     

     

  248. MontrealAtheist says:

    JM’s coaching decisions suggest that he has bet a large amount of money on the Habs not making the play-offs and he’s trying to make sure that he doesn’t leave empty-handed.

  249. MTLForever says:

    team also needs to help price out

  250. The Big O says:

    I’m willing to bet that over the last 3 seasons, Roman Hamerlik leads the league in delay of game penalties, everytime I watch a game the dude gets one!  Is there a stat for this?

  251. Chris79 says:

    LOL…!!

    Seriously …

     

  252. habsgod says:

    because he gives us the best chance to win! this loss wasn’t price’s fault not even close.

  253. habstrinifan says:

    What? Come on only one person is responsible for state of affairs…. JM.

    Dont blame the goalie.

     

  254. Habnofear says:

    I feel for the kid but I knew this was comming A LONG TIME AGO!!!

  255. observer says:

    scored 1 goal all game. last year they gave halak the support of zero goals in each of 3 games against leighton. martin not known for offense. or defense or for championships. clean house of management because they way they are playing now they will soon be out of the playoff race. they cant even get regulation ties.

  256. MTLForever says:

    It’s clear you don’t watch the actual game much to say that it is PRICE’s fault?! Unbelievable. No game really has been on him this year. 

     

    Any time there has been a shut out for the other team, that’s not on him, that can’t be. Why? we can’t score at the other end. 

    Give me a break. Price hasn’t done poorly.

  257. Timo says:

    Roy as a coach may be quite entertaining. It may even get physical. I have no idea though what Roy’s like as a coach… he also never coached in the NHL. It’s one thing to yell at kids. It’s another to deal with the NHL primadonnas. Yelling and trash can kicking will only that far. As much as I liked him as a player I don’t want a repeat of Carbo or Mario scenarios. Both were great Habs players… both were rather not great as coaches. 

  258. rocketsglare says:

    Then explain the 2 consecutive too many men on the ice penalties and the multitude of mental lapses that no

    sound team should be making. There is no defense to stupid or brain dead plays that keep costing your team

    points in the end.

    Go Habs Go!

  259. Everlasting1 says:

    What an embarrassing display. Gee, who will JM bench next? The problem is SYSTEMIC. They all look like disoriented floaters out there.

    I think the Bolts have their new starting goalie in Desjardins, and Price is crumbling earlier than usual.

    Stamkos: Thanks for the entertainment.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  260. observer says:

    Price is a big man. And again he has started to wear down. Maybe because he has been overworked and mishandled every single year here since Gainey first called him up! Molson should have done this before – you can’t trade the whole team – FIRE Gauthier and Gainey immediately and bring in someone with a brain!

  261. Habnofear says:

    Kudo’s go to Steve Y ,he fixed and is fixing the Tampa  team in record time and doing it with Canadiens cast offs! We have been SCHOOLED big time….

  262. observer says:

    You all wanted to ignore Gauthier’s putrid 30 year record in NHL management. This is no surprise to me and others.

  263. adam76 says:

    Its obvious this team does not care about winning – why should we?

     

    Enjoy the playoffs, Canes.

  264. Everlasting1 says:

    PK: Shut your pie-hole. Running your mouth more than Laps, giving cheapshots, and making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

     

     “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  265. habstrinifan says:

    Are u being sarcastic… hard to tell.

     

  266. Peterborough Habs Fan says:

    Les Canadiens sont la

  267. Peterborough Habs Fan says:

    So Scary Price pulls another stinker, anyone surprised? Why does Martin even bother with him?

  268. habstrinifan says:

    Anyone who watche dthis game and criticizes even ONE player is dead wrong. This team sucks becaus eof coaching!!!!!!

     

  269. homerbowen says:

    Oh please!!! Where the hell have our 3 smurfs been for the past few games. For what they are being paid they should be ashamed of themselves. Sure the coach needs to go but so do our smurfs.

  270. Habnofear says:

    Sorry but the coach wasn’t laced up….

  271. punkster says:

    Two observations:

    1. The Wiz was good tonight.

    2. Nobody else was.

    ***Subbang!!!***

  272. 24 Cups says:

    Spot on, Dave.  There may be hundreds of comments in the next 12 hours but your post sums it up perfectly.  What else is there to say?

    It looks like we’re in for another photo finish to grab 8th place on the last night of the season.

  273. Everlasting1 says:

    No, I’m not. I think he’s annoying..to put it mildly.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  274. MTLForever says:

    He’s annoying? He gets into players heads just like you should. 

     

    You’re ridiculous.

  275. Kooch7800 says:

    I like PK but he does yap too much.  When you can back it up with your play or fighting you can say all you want.  Right now PK can’t back it up with either

  276. habstrinifan says:

    Seriously what did he do wrong tonight. He followed Jm’s script to the letter. Leave the kid alone.

     

  277. Everlasting1 says:

    I don’t think it’s having that effect and he can’t back it up with anything either. The goons in Philly can. You know, the ones who everyone here hates for the same reason? PK is a showboater lovin’ the limelight a little too much. Just my opinion.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  278. Everlasting1 says:

    He’s too mouthy and plays dirty. That unnecessary hit on the guy who cleared the puck at center-ice with 3 Habs already around him, and he comes in and takes a run at him. Cheap. May not have been a penalty but he draws a lot.

     

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    Don’t pollute the water.

  279. Harani says:

    Not watching the Habs tomorrow. Let’s see the Habs in the new year. Happy New Year to everyone here! May all your wishes come true in 2011. 

    Quick fact: Next Year has 4 days (1.1.11 ~ 11.1.11 ~ 1.11.11 ~ 11.11.11 comprising only of 1. This happens once every 35 generations ;)

    “It must be love!”

  280. Chuck says:

    Personally, I don’t think that the HI/O server is “crashing”. I think that Boone is pulling the plug so that he doesn’t have to deal with all of the overwrought, Chicken Little-sky-is-falling, doomsday hyperbole.

    Centre Hice: Bringing a knife to a gunfight

  281. kempie says:

    Noozeski +1

    Martin -1 (putz)

    Servers -0/0


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