Game 35: Thrashers edge Habs in shootout

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Canadiens’ Cristobal Huet is cleanly beaten by Atlanta Thrashers’ Marian Hossa for a shootout goal.
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The Canadiens’ three-game road winning streak came to an end Saturday night, in a shootout.

The Atlanta Thrashers earned a 3-2 home-ice win with shootout goals by Marian Hossa and Vyacheslav Kozlov while both Saku Koivu and Sergei Kostitsyn of the Canadiens couldn’t beat goalie Kari Lehtonen at the other end of the ice.

Hossa was successful on his shootout effort, drilling one past Canadiens goalie Cristobal Huet, while Kozlov followed with a pretty deke to score.

Koivu was pokechecked by Lehtonen, and Kostitsyn’s attempt to deke and go high was blocked by the Atlanta goalie’s pad.

The Canadiens handily outshot their hosts 36-25 through three periods – they were 3-3 in overtime – but came up short nevertheless, earning a single point for their work.

Huet was totally fooled by Kozlov’s game-opening goal at 4:31 of the first period, fanning on a 40-foot snap shot from along the boards near the faceoff circle to his right.

It took a few minutes for the Canadiens to rediscover the skating legs they showed early, but industrious work by Koivu finally set up linemate Sergei Kostitsyn for the Russian rookie’s second career goal in as many games, this one coming on a rebound off Koivu’s close-in shot past Lehtonen at 12:16.

For the first time in the longest time, the Canadiens dominated the first period, outshooting their hosts 11-5.

The second period was largely a circus of missed chances, the Canadiens outshooting Atlanta 14-12. They seemed headed to their dressing rooms tied at one until Atlanta’s Éric Perrin put the Thrashers in front with 1:07 to go on the power play, converting a short cross-crease pass from Hossa over a prone Huet.

Alex Kovalev’s 15th of the season put the Canadiens back on even footing, blasting a 43-foot slap shot from the faceoff circle that found its way beneath Lehtonen’s trapper at 8:20. Though not a power-play goal, it might as well have been – Atlanta’s Ilya Kovalchuk was out of the box just one second when Kovalev tied the score.

The Habs didn’t make things easy for themselves in the final two minutes of regulation time. Defenceman Roman Hamrlik took a minor penalty for holding the stick with 1:45 left to play, but the Canadiens resisted good Thrashers pressure, including a blocked shot by Francis Bouillon with seconds left, to force overtime.

The Canadiens left immediately after the game for Dallas, where they play sniper Mike Ribeiro and his Stars tonight.


  1. A. Berke says:

    you must be in Dallas because Houston Chronicle did never mention hockey scores except maybe for the Aeros in a forgotten corner of the paper (where they needed to fill a bit of space).

    BTW high school football is greater than pretty much anything else in Tejas.


    Ali B.

  2. Leclerc1965 says:

    Even though we have begged and clamored for your old pic smart dog, good post.

  3. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    1. Jason Blake who is a 40 goal scorer has only 3 goals since oct, but has never been a scratch or otherwise…explain? and why haven’t we taken the same route with Ryder? and don’t tell me he’s been given his chance.
    2. Explain why we have the #1 powerplay in the league? Fluke? or isn’t a contender only to have that accolade?
    3. All is now forgive after 2 goals?
    4. Agree
    5. Sit but not traded….you’ll understand later in the sched.
    6. Really? I think we have 2 #1’s
    7. Plek is playing his best year to date.
    8. Agree
    9. Agree, if they want to come here for PRIDE to wear the CH then we’ll let them, but I wouldn’t give even Breeze up if they didn’t feel THAT pride…if its about money then we need to expose them in the press.
    10. Best point.

    1. until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.
    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  4. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Cheers Scotty, and all other “élites” following the greatest team in the history of the world…Merry Christmas.

    We all share a passion for a team that we can (99% of us) point to a year or group of years and reminisce about the STANLEY CUP.

    …forever a Hab Disciple.

    1. until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.
    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  5. Sulemaan says:

    Spot (no pun intended) on top 10 list Smart Dog.

  6. Sulemaan says:

    Scotty et al,

    Best of the holiday season to you and your family as well. Merry Christmas.

    I’m thrilled to be part of a site where people are not only as passionate about the Habs (if not more so) as me but extremely knowledgeable as well. Remember Serge Lapointe? 😉

    One of my favorite past-times now is watching the game and reading/commenting while it happens on this site. Hat tip to Dave, Pat, Kevin and Mike for I/O.


  7. mjames says:

    As is typical of you and your friends, you have to resort to name calling when someone disagrees with tastless comments. Your are correct about the benefit of having pictures adjacent to the posts.

  8. Scotty90 says:

    there is nothing wrong with dreaming! If nobody had dreams we might still be rubbing twigs together to make a fire. That said, Ovechkin is what?… 22 years old? what I see of him he enjoys life to the fullest, he appears to be a real joker and that tells me that he probably really enjoys the company of good friends. At hockey, he is somewhat of a showman and nothing would turn him as much of a hometown crowd chanting his name and blowing the roof off the arena. Money? yeah everyone likes money to a certain degree but it is not necessarily the most important thing in many athlete’s life….. read Alfredson who could be making a hell of a lot more in Ottawa… the guy likes Ottawa, he likes his team-mates, and he is quite satisfied where he is.

    Would Ovechkin enjoy the ‘joie de vivre’ that you will find in Montreal? I think so! Would Ovechkin enjoy carousing with Montreal women? They’re the best in the world as far as I am concerned. Would Ovechkin be happy playing alongside his countrymen, Markov, Kovalev, the two Kostityns, Emelin, Valentenkov….? Personally if I was playing in another country, there is nothing I would like better than to play with Canadian friends. Would Ovechkin get excited by the Bell Centre crowds? The best fans in the world! He’d be pumping adrenalline like there is no tomorrow. Would Ovechkin be proud of wearing the CH, the most storied sports team in the world? Would he like to contribute to bringing a cup to Montreal on its 100th anniversary? what do you think?

    Now…. somebody pinch me..please!

    Enjoy the game tonight!

    P.S. Mr. Markov, if you are reading this….. your buddy is very welcome to join the team… let him know. Mr. Gainey work your magic! Landing Oveckin would be enough to raise your business suit to the rafters right next to your #23…. a Habs first!

  9. Bouleau noir says:

    I disagree, bashing Carbo on this site has hardly occured,.. but more and more critical comments about “his coaching ways” are starting to appears now that he is half way throught his second season as a coach and that the fans have had a little while to “appreciate” his work better.

    Some are not impressed and I am one of them.

    For me it started right at the beginning last season when he was asked to define the style he would be asking his players to play the game.

    His answer conforted me,… ” the same style they played under Gainey and during the Canes series,.. a puck pursuit scenario where players are agressive on the pucks in all 3 zones “.

    They played that style for about three games but were soon retroverted to the more passive and positional type of game played under Julien which had got him fired the previous season… and kepted that style going for the season,… dysfonctional team and performances were the results… only the all star performances of Huet in the first half saved them from being at nearer to the bottom were they should have been.

    A coach has to find ways to make the whole better than the sum of its parts,.. the opposite happened last season and we are witnessing a similar tendency this season were the CH showed a more agressive puck pursuit style with success in the beginning only to revert once again to the more passive style that sunked them last year.

    The press has been silent about Carbo as there is very little positive to be said about his work and I wish some posters in here could tell us more about the positive elements that they see him contributing to this team.

    Personally, I doubt him having the talent and knowledge necessary for providing the best that the craft of coaching as to offer to a team,.. I am un-impressed by the team’s collective game, style and lack of progress…. also at the difficulty they always seem having to just keep being motivated.

  10. mbplekfan says:

    The book on Carey is that he goes down early leaving the top corners open. You’ll see more and more shooter going upstairs on Carey.

    That being said, he is rock solid down low. There is only the top corners left to put the puck in.

  11. ClaytonM says:

    The problem is Smolinski has a no-trade clause for the 1 year he signed for. While I doubt he’ll pull a Samsonov and become a cancer in the dressing room, he will have to show a lot of character to stay positive while getting scratched. Here’s hoping he does just that and teaches some of his younger teammates how to act with some class instead of talking about it in the media.

  12. ClaytonM says:

    While I’m sure they’re all glad to earn the 2 points in D.C., Carbo surely had something to say about their sloppy play Thursday night. There’s no way they can expect to win games like that regularly. So the Lapierre line will need to shut down Kovalchuk and friends, and the 1st & 2nd lines had better show up tonight. Here’s hoping Sergei catches fire for the trip after popping his cherry. Here’s also hoping Higgins realizes he has 2 linemates and notices when one of them is wide open if front of the net.

    No goalie controversy this weekend with 2 games in a row. As for my 2 cents, Price has been the steadier of the 2 playing a more sound positional game, and Huet has run more hot & cold thus far. What I’m waiting to see is Huet to get red hot for a 2 week stretch and steal a game or two.

  13. Ian Cobb says:

    Hey Paul !

    Married three times, 4 kids, Habs Fan, your still on the right side of the grass and your a maritimer !

    Sound like my kind of guy!

  14. Higgins21 says:

    I agree with the posts that say “stick with the kids!”. Spot Slowinski and Breeze-by only when the situation demands (injury, suspension, slump, etc.). When Begin returns he can be the top forward fill-in. For “D” use Streit or Dandenault if they have to but leave #71 in the pressbox unless it’s an absolute necessity.
    That leaves Ryder. Might have to send him down and let the chips fall where they may. It’s a real pity. But maybe Gainey could see it coming. That’s why no multi-year contract. He’s become this year’s Samsonov.
    How many teams are carrying as many rookies as we are? Price, Chipchura, O’Byrne, S. Kostitsyn plus near-rookies (A. Kostitsyn, Latendresse, Lapierre) We have the youth.

    Big game tonight! Go Habs Go!

  15. mrstewart61 says:

    agree 100%

  16. TradeRyder says:

    They say he makes no secret of the fact that he likes Montreal. I heard he makes no secret of the fact that he likes Toronto. And he probably likes New York too. And Dallas is kind of a cool city. Florida is sunny and warm. Vancouver is beautiful. etc. etc….zzzzzzzzzz

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  17. TradeRyder says:

    I agree Ian. I feel bad that Ryder hasn’t worked out this season but I really believe his style is not a good match for where the team is going. I would love it if he suddenly caught fire, but if not, I hope he gets a fresh start and gets his touch back (except against us).

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  18. mbplekfan says:

    I agree with every single point you make.

    I fear that Carbo may put Breezer back in the lineup out of some misguided loyalty to a veteran.

    It is also abundantly clear that Lapierre and Chipper have taken Smolinski’s job from him, just like Lats has taken Ryder’s.

    Habs will be inconsistent but will improve greatly in closing weeks of the season.

  19. Ed says:

    I don’t know why you would think that Ryder is a big man on a small team. He just hits like a big man. He is actually the smallest player on the roster, other than Grabovski who is now in the AHL.

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    A lot of people wanted to trade me when i was young and slipping. But it only takes one to beleave in you, for the blooming process. Pride, Dedication and hard work with fan suport, gets one to the top!!

  21. Mattee. says:

    Add this to your Christmas list. Here’s to wishful thinking…

  22. TradeRyder says:

    It was a guess but I saw the team developing more skill and speed and I think Ryder’s game is just very, very, basic. And I’m a big believer in plus-minus – and his sucks. He might go to a team like Boston where they play a more physical up-the-middle game. It’s too bad because he seems like a really good guy. But that doesn’t put food on the table.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  23. Smart Dog says:

    In the spirit of the holiday season, I came up with TEN THINGS that I think (almost) everyone here at HIO can agree on!

    Here they are:

    1. Ryder has been given chances, but has not produced. Now the team needs to be given the chance to win without him. Ryder will probably come out of his slump, but probably not with a CH on his chest. Maybe with a bird or dog, or some other foolish animal.

    2. The Habs are a team in development. Not a real contender, but on some nights they do look like it – and thank god for that!

    3. Lats has earned his spot. At the start of the year it was questionable, but he’s one of the few players that can make a case that he’s learning how to be a much better player under this coaching staff.

    4. Breezer should sit – the young Dmen should play. Nuf said.

    5. Slowinsky… huh? Is he still on the team? Oh yeah – he should sit or be traded, whatever.

    6. Huet is our #1 goalie. Price is about as good a back-up as you could get… but let’s let the kid break into the game at a pace that lets him watch and think.

    7. Chipchura, Kostitsyn (K1), are the brightest lights among our rookies. Plekanic may be a future all-star if he can add a little more umph to his game.

    8. The team plays best when they control the play in the neutral zone, not when they run out of it like scared rabbits to hide behind their own blue line.

    9. We need to find a sniping winger or centerman to add before we will have a complete team. And it’s not Vinny or Alex – the only way those guys would come here is if they suddenly decide they want to. And that’s not likely to happen. So give it a rest!

    10. Carbs is a great hockey man, and maybe a great coach someday, but only if he listens to the HIO group more!

    and… Hab fans are the best!!!

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  24. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi Scotty,

    Hope you finish that beer by New Years, so we can enjoy one together one day!!!
    Best of the season to you.


  25. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    At the first of the season I didn tagree with you to trade Rider ,but you must have known something we didn’t.Now I have to agree with you.

  26. Moey says:

    I’m not going to argue with you. I’ve never met you, know nothing about you, but what I do know for sure is that you are a curmudgeon.

    As far as my “cronies” go, there is no mob mentality here. It’s human nature to communicate more with people with whom one has more commonalities with.

    Now that there are pictures posted, it’s much easier to recognize and skip over the posters that don’t float your boat.

  27. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi Moey,

    Best of the season to you also. As far as the game goes to night, I just want honest effort, and to be entertained with intensity. Don’t forget we are young and this is a game of mistakes.

    So when in doubt, get it out. And keep it at the other end as long as we can, with all means possible.

  28. Smart Dog says:

    Same to you Scotty! I always enjoy your comments. You are one of the smart ones (because I usually agree with you!)… and ironically, one of the more sober!

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  29. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    thanks Moey ,There is nothing better than habs fans because we may be negative about the habs and they ask for it if they are not up to playing well.Sometimes it bothers me when some people talk bad adout our team,but if you listen to everyones comments usually they are right,if everyone was positave all trhe time it would be a boring sight like the leafs fans.

  30. Smart Dog says:

    That’s why they call me smart ! Thanks for the note… I didn’t go to the last HIO game this year, but will try to make it if they plan one next year. Sounds like a good time – and it would be great to meet all the crazy people (the ones who disagree with me!) who write here. Hope you have a great Holiday Season Paul – and that the Habs deliver you a couple of wins!!

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  31. Scotty90 says:

    If any Habs are reading this… Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your families. May the New Year bring health and success.

    To all Habs Insideouters whose posts I thoroughly enjoy reading, Krob (MIA?), HabsProf, Nightmare, Ian, 24 Cups and so many more, tks for your insight and opinions. Great big thanks to Dave and Gazette colleagues for running this site…. Merry Christmas and all the best in 2008.

    Here’s a toast to all of you…. Cheers!

  32. Ian Cobb says:

    Hi Paul,

    Sure not as embarrasing writing on this thing, I don’t get as red in the face and I have shaken off all my infearior complexes, spelling ! I don’t give a dam as long as i can get a point accross. I’m 64 and working at it every day, I’m dislectic, for the rest of my life, and i might run the bases from 3rd to 1st sometimes, but I can still hit the ball out of the park and that gives me enough time to run back.

    Keep posting, we will get along just fine. Make sure you get to the next Habs summit, it was wonderfull!

    WE will talk N.B. later. I built the largest silver fox ranch there in Canada in the 70,s

  33. Maffu says:

    It’s CARBO!!

  34. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    smart dog you are right .I have the magazine from the last time they won the cup.

  35. mjames says:

    The comments may not be positive but they are objective and honest and not deserving of a “flag offensive” as some posts are. I am sure you and your cronies know what I am talking about.


  36. Smart Dog says:

    Thanks NB,

    I think that creepy picture must be stored somewhere on the Internet! People tell me it shows up, but I only use the new one!

    About your question… wouldn’t that be Carbo under the banner?

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  37. showey47 says:

    I know i watched him score 2 more last night. Even though i was happy gainey traded him because that crap he pulled against the bruins was nothing short of disgusting and downright embarrasing. I’m sure the other players,management and the coaching staff all felt the same way. He did have a reputation of being soft, lazy and “being in love with being a hockey instead of loving to play hockey” (which was part of his love of the night life)

  38. Moey says:

    Hi Paul,

    Your should post more often. Who cares about spelling etc, none of us are going for the Pulitzer prize of blogging. We could use some more positive posts to offset the negatives.

    Best wishes & happy holidays!

  39. mar-lin says:

    I don’t find it that depressing because he would never have done as well here. He really couldn’t handle the pressure, not to mention his little clique and his god complex. I’m satisfied with what had to be done, it just didn’t work out as well for us unfortunately. Don’t forget who his linemates are and the fact that he gets major PP minutes.

    I agree with you about our future…it’s really starting to unfold nicely.


    go habs go

  40. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    Hi smart dog see you back to you picture ,my wife gets the chills whe she see it LOL..the other picture looks like a smarter dog she says,I enjoy reading your comments ..

  41. Moey says:

    Season’s greetings Ian to you and yours. I have enjoyed your posts, they’re honest, to the point and a breath of fresh air.

    So what’s your thoughts on tonight, do we get a win or coals in our Hab’s stocking?

  42. Smart Dog says:

    Glad to have you hear Paul! Don’t worry about your typing. It’s your ideas that tell the truth about you, not your spelling.

    Happy Holidays from one Habs fan to all others!

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  43. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    Hay guys do you know who is in the picture during the rising of the banner the last time we won the cup ?

  44. Smart Dog says:

    While we all pray that one of our superstar forwards hits 30 goals, a little player named Mike Ribeiro who we traded for a spare tire and some magic beans is on pace for 39 goals and 84 points. Depressing.

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  45. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    HI Ian,
    My name is Paul Bourgoin and I have been reading the post and some time I get the courage to post my comments sometimes.Reason I dont, I cant type to well and spell to great,but I do enjoy being on habs in sideout.I have read some of your comments and find you are a true habs fan like my self. I live for this team and love them.I to have raised 4 kids and married 3 wife told me yesterday that she wanted to go to a hockey game in Montreal next year ,that is what she wants to get me for christmas next year.
    Hope we can be friends and chat some time ,I feel we have alot in common and a few stories to share.thanks for your time, Paul

  46. habfan53 says:

    I have’nt seen the lines for tonight but I hope Carbo keeps the Latendresse, Lapierre , Dandenault line together.
    I was the one line that I thought showed spark and effort thru the whole game Thursday. I like the way Lats has been blocking shots of late.
    Then have Kovalev, Plekanec and Kotsysin together
    and Higgins, Koivu and Kotstysin.
    That will leave Streit, Chipchura, and Ryder on the last line with Smolinski upstairs.
    Another thing I think for the rest of the season put a suit on Brisebois put him behind the bench or upstairs and have him TEACH the youngsters (Gorges, O’Byrne and Komisarek) and hopefully the veterans(Markov, Hamarlik and Bouillon )will listen as well.

    There is a good team here they are going to make mistakes. We all do.

    I good friend of mine always asks me “How games have you played in the NHL” whenever I critized a players lack of ability or dumb plays. I think he’s right

  47. mjames says:

    Not to worry. Ryder will do fine when he leaves the Habs and goes somewhere where he is appreciated. We will all then marvel at his backchecking, scoring and skating, particualrly when he plays agaisnt us. I think Dallas might give him a chance since Riberio seems to be working out and we all he is useless hockey player.

    I always ask myself how Philly can get the players they got for a broken down player like Forsberg last year and we get or will get nothing for our players (Riberio, Ryder, Souray, etc.).


  48. showey47 says:

    I really hope obyrne and gorges keep their spots on defence, both of them look much better out there than breezer does.

  49. Blitzen says:

    I didn’t know your history but congratulations on learning to read and write. You probably know this but Jacques Demers also recently learned to read and write. I think it was great for him to come out as vocally as he did. I’m sure several people used him as an encouragement to learn for themselves. He never singles out reporters who give him a hard time but he even told Ron King – on one of Quebec’s most watched TV shows – to leave him alone with the stupid comments about his lack of education.

    Happy Holidays!

  50. mjames says:

    I scanned the site. No one is disputing the fact that Carbo was not a “good” (not great but good) player but he is not a good NHL coach, yet. I do not question the talent on this team. I submit to you if you asked the players if they like how the team plays they would say they do not like it. My big complaint with Carbo is that he refuses to adapt his style to suit his team’s skills.

    Listed below are traits of a good coach. Ask yourself if Carbo is missing many of these traits. I can, in good conscience, say that he does. Be honest in evaluating Carbo. These traits were not developed by me. There were obtained off internet. Based on these characteristics Carbo has not made the grade , yet.

    “Knows the discipline he’s coaching:
    It’s trivial, but the coach has to know ins and outs of the discipline – the rules, the history, the tactics etc. Without it they won’t be able to do their job properly and will probably quickly lose face when they start making mistakes.

    Motivates the players:
    This is probably the single most important trait of a good coach. Without proper motivation, everything comes apart. Remember that a coach will need to lead a team of individuals, everyone with different personal goals. The coach’s job is give the players enough motivation to make them start doing things as good as they are able to, and turn their attention from their private matters to the pitch.

    Talks only when it gets results:
    A good coach will never speak without a good cause. If they talk too much, they will never actually be listened, so a coach is a person who should talk only when necessary – this will give their words an extra weigh.

    Is able to listen:
    Being calmer than usual means also that a coach should be a good listener. If they are to become a good coach, they need to become a surrogate father or mother for their team and listening is the single most important trait that can make it possible.

    Knows their team:
    Another important matter is knowing one’s team. And it is not only about matching their numbers with the names. A good coach knows everything – both about professional and private life of their players.

    Treats everyone individually:
    While (or because) a good coach should know everybody and do their best to hold the place together, it is necessary to treat every player individually. Yelling works only on some of them, the same story is with talking seriously. Using the same method to get everyone do what you say will surely end in breaking some of your players to pieces.

    Leads by example:
    The last, but not least: a good coach do themselves everything he will ask others to do. They always set an example – they are first on the trainings and perform every single exercise they order other to do.”


  51. Naila Jinnah says:

    It wasn’t a booze problem. But the family is asking for privacy.

  52. Ian Cobb says:

    Good day boys and girls. It is so nice for me now that i have some skill in reading and writing and to be able to have fun on my first computer enjoying my favorite sport with my favorite people.

    A lot of you know my history with this hockey club so i won’t go back with that. But I just want to let all of you know how very much i apreaciate all of you and the men from the montreal gazette. I have received help, understanding and encouragement from many. You know who you are, and i have met some of you at the summit. I wish all of you a very happy festive season.

    Only I know what a liberation i feel every day now that i have learned to comunicate by reading and writing. I have a lot to be thankfull for at this time of year.

    Love you all, and no matter what religion or not you tend to follow or not, look out for each other.


  53. Hoegarden says:

    If we look at last year, Ryder had 30 goals and Souray had 28. 17 of Ryder’s goals came on the PP and Souray had around 20 or so, yet our PP is humming along just fine (still first or second ??). These numbers tell the whole story for me on these two players. We got over Souray and it’s time to get over Mikey. Carbo made it clear that he had more than 30 games to get his game on track. For whatever reason, he has not. There is noting left other than to put him on waivers or possibly trade him for a late rounder. Injuries could bring him back for we certainly will not hope for that.

    Merry Christmas to all Habs fans and their families.

  54. Blitzen says:

    I don’t think we necessarily need that point man cause our PP is pretty good but I think Ryder isn’t quick with the puck and he definitely needs a big point man to take the pressure off of him and give him time.

    He doesn’t seem quick enough to me. I mean look at Lats, he’s not exactly lighting in a bottle but he’s got a much quicker trigger than Ryder so he doesn’t need the extra time, and I think he’s learning to position himself better on the PP giving himself a split second more to shoot. Ryder just keeps trying to slowly deek people and loses the puck. Ryder needs to get his butt in front of the net pronto every PP and move his feet to free himself from checkers while keeping his stick on the ice for a pass. Lats is learning that and Ryder needs to learn it.

    If we’re gonna trade big, I would much rather we go for a big forward than a big D-Man. But we’re not gonna trade big so this is just pointless banter.

  55. 24 Cups says:

    Dear Texas – We’ll trade you Brisebois and the rights to Janne Noneimaa for Mike Ribeiro. We’ll even throw in a real fresh cut Canadian Christmas tree. Merry Christmas!

    The Original 24 Cups

  56. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Brett Hull was in the crease and his goal shouldn’t have counted.

  57. 24 Cups says:

    I agree. Staal was an 18 year old rookie last year who probably shouldn’t have been in the NHL and now he is suffering the sophmore jinx. He is a fantastic prospect who is heads and shoulders above Ryder (and most of the other Habs) talent wise. I would trade the world to get this guy as he would be the answer to our problems at centre ice. As for Ryder, his dilemma would be a good story line for the mystery channel. I don’t think anyone can figure out why things have gone this bad for this long. He was never going to re-sign with the Habs for next year and now his production is being taken over by guys like Sergei K. and Lats so we’re not hurting on the ice because of Ryder’s slump. The real loss for the Canadiens will ultimately be that we won’t get much for him at the trade deadline which will be a shame. I was hoping for a Rivet type deal that we pulled off with San Jose last year. Alas, there will be no first round pick coming for Ryder in late February.

    The Original 24 Cups

  58. TommyB says:

    I agree with you on this cournoyer12, and thank you RetroMikey for the great website! I have quickly scanned the site and decided I better bookmark it. There is much to read, and much to look at.

  59. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Lack of talent? Where did you get that from. This team has talent and the coach has a problem putting it to work. No one is questioning Carbonneay the player. Coaching is a much different story.

  60. LTHF says:

    Dont know what that got to do with it , they are not rookies this year and they are both having problems, one is getting the ice time the other isnt— simple as that

  61. odber says:

    Ryder is a big man on a small team and if he ,s not scoring he has to be hitting people and creating room for the smaller guys.He can,t be pouting about missed shots or a lack of goals.He needs to do whatever it takes to help the team and against Toronto he did just that.I hope he gets his head on straight because he can be an effective player even if he isn,t scoring.
    I agree with alberta habs fan,play the kids,brisebois is just insurance.

  62. RetroMikey says:

    I found an interesting website dedicated to our coach

    Guy Carbonneau

    Very interested reading material for all those who are bashing at our coach and know nothing about him. Perhaps some will have a second opinion about him coaching our Habs.

    Okay, about the game tonite, will be a tough game to play but with Huet back in the nets ( IMO, he is still our No. 1 goalie until Price proves himself), we look good heading into the new year. We just have to play hard and hustle game in and out I say. Let’s pray we don’t catch the flu like last year which was our downfall, so they say!

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all Habs fans and their loved ones worldwide!


    “We will win the Cup only with Carey Price in the nets”

  63. LTHF says:

    Here we go again wondering what Ryder’s fate is tonight, probably will be in the pressbox trying desperately to break out of the scoring slump, probably working on different grips on his stick. Thats the place to work out of slump. An interesting point in comparing 2 players with similar point outputs last year, that is Ryder and Jordan Staal. Staal scored his 3rd goal last night. He has played in all 35 games and logging lots of icetime. Guess the difference is in coaching. There they are giving Staal every opportunity to come out of it.

  64. Nova Scotia Hab Fan says:

    Does anyone know what happened to Ryders brother? Heard he was sent back to the rock, liked his adult refreshments a bit to much is the word on the street.
    Play Ryder or do the same with him hard to score goals from the presss box

  65. Smart Dog says:

    I hate to wish someone ill will… but when I heard he was retiring because of concussions it seemed like justice. It doesn’t matter if the league allows it or not – the players need to be responsible to the realities that they know. Stevens liked to hurt people – badly. The game is better without him. He should not be in the hall of fame.

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  66. 24 Cups says:

    A lot of his hits were borderline and at times he would come in and catch a guy with his shoulder ans stick at the same time. He seemed to take delight in derailing guys at mid ice when they had their heads down. You can say it’s part of the game but at the same time you have to show discretion once in awhile – it’s a guy’s livelihood that we’re talking about here. Anyway, the irony was that he ultimately had to retire because of a severe concussion.

    The Original 24 Cups

  67. AlbertaHabsFan says:

    I have nothing against the breezer, but I’d rather see the developmental ice time spent on O’Byrne and Georges. If someone goes down to injury or needs a night off, I feel confident in breezer’s ability. It’s nice for a change to have lot’s of replacement parts for the Montreal machine rather than cringe when someone limps off the ice.

    Joyeux Noel from the great state of Texas. Boy does the hockey coverage here suck, 6th page in the paper behind high school football.

  68. Ed says:

    Carbonneau has solved the problem of Ryder holding his stick too tightly. You are not allowed to bring a stick into the press box. Of the Canadiens’ last 6 games, 3 have been at home & 3 on the road. Ryder has been benched on the road, while he has played in front of the boo birds at the Bell Centre. The next 5 games are on the road, so don’t look to see Ryder on the ice soon.

  69. Blitzen says:

    I think Ryder has been given AMPLE opportunity to shake things on the top line and hasn’t done squat. Maybe it’s mental but maybe, as someone else has suggested, it’s the lack of a huge shot from Souray on the PP that has allowed other teams to focus a little more on other guys. When Ryder wasn’t the focus and had space, he scored on the PP. Now that he doesn’t have time and space he struggles.

    I have no doubt that if he ends up on a different team, perhaps away from the hotstove in MTL, he’ll score again. But if he stays here and keeps holding his stick too tightly, no amount of ice time will cure that.

    They are absolutely not going to put him on waivers. They’ll trade him for a 7th round pick before they do that.

  70. downeast hab says:

    RYDER. either play him, or put him on waivers. people might say trade him for something, but when the coaches think nothing of him then why should they get something for him. Next summer the only part of him theyll see is his cheeks. YOU DONT EXPECT A PLAYER TO GET POINTS EITHER IN THE PB, OR PLAYING HALF THE SHIFTS AS OTHER PLAYERS. STOP SCREWING WITH IS ABILITY.

  71. Blitzen says:

    Happy Holidays Everyone!!

    Give a Cheer for the Habs tonight. Well more than one actually.

  72. Smart Dog says:

    Ultimately, Stevens was a goon. A talented goon, but he had a goon’s mentality… which makes him a goon.

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  73. TradeRyder says:

    a brain dead idiot like Steve Downey or Chris Simon
    Yeah, they’re like Vampires – making other players brain dead too by giving them concussions.

    I know it’s not popular to say it, but I feel the same about Scott Stevens. Glad that guy’s gone. He ruined a couple of careers and lives. Hockey should be ashamed of guys like that, not celebrate them.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  74. TradeRyder says:

    Couldn’t agree with you more PPBQ & Gman…

    I can’t believe the coaching staff can’t see that this 4 man blue line trap ain’t stoppin nuthin. During the last game we had 2 forecheckers most of the time. The only way to stop Kovalchuck is to knock him on his ass or to constantly hound him (Chipchura?). Let’s hope the boys are free to throw some hits.

    As much as I am frustrated with our system… Rome wasn’t built in a day. You have to let Carbo try some things and figure out what works. Hopefully he’s smart enough to adapt and not obsess over a system that worked in a different NHL. Hopefully he’ll see that the teams that are dominating aren’t doing that. Hopefully he’ll see that this squad needs to attack to win, control the puck to win, and forecheck and backcheck to win… and not stand around their own blueline. Hopefully…

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  75. G-Man says:

    Great story in this morning’s Gazette about why fans loved the Original 6 NHL. After watching the players get armored up, from helmets to gigantic shoulder and elbow pads, it’s no wonder there are more injuries and less respect. The players think they are invincible out there. Until, of course, they run into a brain dead idiot like Steve Downey or Chris Simon.

    Many experts dismissed this year’s edition of the Habs as a 13th place team. It’s been a pleasant surprise that they are mediocre and not bottom feeders. However, the Habs are one or at most 2 impact players away from contending, making me and most other fans used to the winning tradition unimpressed. For those of you who want to watch firewagon hockey, look elsewhere. This team is being groomed into a juggernaut of huge D men, superb goalies and fearless power forwards. The last bit about the power forwards will take 2 more years, sigh.
    Happy Holidays, everybody!


  76. mbplekfan says:

    Huet should definitely be given the start, that way Price can rest and decompress after a stressful stretch of games.

    Brisebois has been shown to be surplus given the improving play of OByrne and Gorges and should either be released or offered minor league coaching duties.

    The lineup should stay the same.

  77. rogus says:

    Patrice has been a godsend this time around, if he weren’t run out of town by our heartless “fans” he would be an icon in Montreal. Given his affable, lovable character, and the fact that he makes less than the Zamboni driver…his presence and experience is – dare I say, Priceless. Seriously, Where else are you going to find someone to teach our naive youngsters about the ins and outs of living under our spotlight. One more reason why Gainey is a genious!

  78. RudeMood19 says:

    Well guys, I think (and I’m not trying to jinx) that Gainey’s eye for good defenceman is showing. O’Byrne, Valentenko, Gorges etc. They’re going to be studs for a while I hope. All we need is a sniper. We get Lecavalier, I think we’re a Cup Contender.

  79. rogus says:

    Have you seen the Ovy rumors floating around?

  80. earl says:

    I have read a lot of criticism today directed at Todd’s article.

    I think people misread it as some endorsement of a less than likely trade rumour.

    Todd stated that the Ovechkin idea was dreaming in Technicolor. However it had a ring of plausibility that didn’t exist in the Lecavalier rumours, which has been pure fantasy for about 8 years or so.

    It was definitely light reading and not meant to attach a lot of credibility to an unlikely event.

  81. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Habs need to play a much better game defensively if they hope to escape Atlanta with a win. Thrashers are feeling good after beating the Sens, so we have to be ready.

  82. rogus says:

    Kovalchuk and the other Hossa will turn us into pilons if we play our version of the “trap”…I think Guys “system” involves letting the other team skate in unencumbered, get shots and rebounds on our stellar goalies, and if they can make multiple miraculous saves we skate down the ice on an odd man rush…why don’t we ever come out guns-a-blazin? Aren’t we the extremely fast Habs? Oh ya, I mean the fast Habs trying to play third line shut down hockey…until we get a third period lead…then it’s fourth line shut down hockey…Maybe Gainey and carbs could lace em up???

  83. Mr.Hazard says:

    Thrashers looked real tight against Ottawa. Kovalchuck scares me. He’s crazy.

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  84. rogus says:

    He’s fast, he’s skilled, he’s imaginative, he’s Russian. We have Russians, let’s let them play like Russians…

  85. Odie Clegorn says:

    In keeping with your tongue in cheek posting, the reason Breezeby makes less than the Zamboni driver is that he covers less ice, less effectively, and always leaves a mess in his wake. Like Hamrlik, the Zamboni guy is always covering for him. Don’t you think that he’s already an “icon” as in “I conned somebody into offering me 3/4 of a million dollars this year?”

  86. TradeRyder says:

    Wow everybody! I just heard that in a three way deal Ovechkin AND Lecalvier are both coming here in exchange for Huet, Kovalev, Koivu, Plekanic, Higgins, Price, K1 & K2, O’Byrne, Chipchura, Bouillon, Markov and Hamrlik!!!! Hooray!!!

    Hey Rogus, you may be right about the positive of Brisebois teaching the youngsters about life in the NHL. But his work is done – it’s time he hang up the skates. He’s given us enough stress and we’ve given him enough grief.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  87. linp says:

    And we will be keeping Ryder to play with Ovechkin AND Lecalvier in the same line. LOL!

  88. Ed says:

    What!! You are not going to TradeRyder? You must now be using reverse psychology to get your wish. Otherwise you would have included him in your trade. It’s just as well to throw him in, as he is not playing anyway.

  89. PPQB says:

    Big game tonight. To beat Atalanta, 2 things must be done…contain Kovalchuk(easier said than done) and employ a 2 man forecheck (this we can do) which emphasizes our speed and tenacity and forces the opposition to make defensive zone mistakes and/or take penalties. We are not the NJ Devils, so why Carbs insists on making us play like them, I dunno. Enough of the one forechecker, four across the blueline trap. It’s boring, ugly, and simply does not work for the Habs. We’re a skilled fast team, we should play like one…come out of the gates with your guns a blazin’ boys!! Another 2 points up for grabs, make the most of it.

  90. JF says:

    Completely agree. When we line up on the blueline, our opponents have no trouble penetrating our zone and setting up as though they’re on a powerplay. They get a lot of shots and scoring chances, and our guys are chasing the puck and turning it over all night. It is both boring and frustrating to watch. We are a team much more like Buffalo than the Devils and should try and play like them, the keys being speed, puck possession and offense. Buffalo played a great third period against Philly last night, coming back from being down 2-1 to win 3-2. They barely allowed the Flyers a shot on goal and were expert at killing penalties and clearing their zone. If our team is allowed to play that way, I feel sure we can do the same.

    One more thing we need to beat Atlanta – not allow them to go into the second period with a lead. They are unbeaten in that situation. We have to go hard to the net, score first and keep scoring.

  91. TradeRyder says:

    Good point. Our Russians might learn a few things watching him. They’re good, but they need to be more aggressive… go to the net more. Plekanic is starting to do it more, K1 does it sometimes.

    Should be a good game!

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  92. mjames says:

    I think you are spot on re aggressiveness.


  93. TradeRyder says:

    Yeah, I think I saw one floating in my tenth beer last night. Which is about where it belongs. The only way someone like Ovenchkin is coming here is if he decides he wants to. I don’t know if Chez Paris is a good enough reason… though you never know, he likes the nightlife. :)

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  94. hockeydevil says:

    Having him here would be great. I am not sure how real the rumors are, but don’t under-estimate the power of his friendship with Markov….Also I’m sure the thought for an big-ego of 21273 fans cheering him ( compared to a couple of thousand) could be a big motivator…

    Talk hockey at

  95. Ian Cobb says:

    Doug! great answer, I,ve been sitting here laughing my head off for the past 10 min. Great way to start the day, best of the season to you! IAN

  96. Lee Hayes says:

    I laughed as well!
    I’d rather a real D-man.
    Go Habs Go

  97. doug says:

    plus, todd knows less about and is less connected to hockey than my dog.

  98. Smart Dog says:

    Or mine.

    Ruff, ruff… isn’t Todd American?
    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  99. Smart Dog says:

    No, he was trading all the good players. Ryder will stay so we have someone in net.

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  100. Smart Dog says:

    The Habs lining up at the blueline is like the British redcoats lining up with the X’s on their chests. Here I am!!! Be scared! Of course, the Americans would hide in the trees and shoot the fools, and other teams slip behind our one-line D and make us look stupid. Sure is pretty though!

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  101. 24 Cups says:

    I agree with both of the above statements. I think it’s imperative that we come out flying tonight like we did in the Philly – Toronto games. We took control early and never let them up off the mat. Then in Florida and Washington we came out flat and stood around waiting for our goalie to save the day. I still consider Atlanta a bottomfeeder so the points are there for the taking. Defensively, they are no great shakes. Shoot early and often boys!

    The Original 24 Cups

  102. Ian Cobb says:

    On boxing day we get to watch two of our up comming defencemen, playing in the world juniors tournament.

    This is always some of the best hockey you will see each year.

    Vet, Yannic Weber from the Kitchener Rangers.

    And 18 year old P.K. Suban from the Belleville Bulls.

  103. Ian Cobb says:

    Moey!! Gee I’m slow. Just read about floating the boat on by. Do you ever get your point (sharp) across well!

    I don’t even know what a cronie is anyway! I had to ask Andree.

    Enjoy the game to night, I will only get it on CJAD i think.

  104. DAVE. N says:

    hi everyone…happy holidays!
    Since moving to the Belleville area, gotta tell you…P.K Subban is a diamond in the rough! Been watching him play with the Bulls,and I believe he has the skills to be a Pronger type player…as long as he has a better attitude!
    Wading into the Ryder situation…the player has been the one signing 1 year deals, not the Habs organization;which makes me suspect his commitment. I just don’t think he has it.
    to Rogus…respect your opinion ,but I don’t like the idea of a Brisebois teaching our youngsters how to go into the corner with raw eggs in their pockets,and coming out with them uncracked.NHL defencemen have to be prepared to take out the opposition wingers….best they look to Komi and Hammer for guidance…as for living in the spotlight….just don’t see how it matters much…the Habs have a PR department for that.
    Been enjoying the insights and opinions …this is a great site for the informed and needy about hockey compared to other sites I’ve been told of and reviewed.
    Dave and Ian…again, thanks for the efforts and analysis…you make reading a pleasure

  105. Ian Cobb says:

    Dave N. I’m in Belleville, look me up in the phone book and give me a call now if you have a min. IAN

  106. 24 Cups says:

    Do you think we should move Subban up to forward or leave him back on defense?

    The Original 24 Cups

  107. DAVE. N says:

    pat…we got Ninima for Ribero…..Gorges and a draft pick for Rivet…gotta tell ya…the Rivet trade was a mistake in my opinion..I would love to have kept him over Gorges or the Brisebois resurrection.
    oh..and in MY humble opinion, the dagenais/theodore/ribero triumvate needed to be removed from Montreal….too many controversies with those 3.
    I’m ok with Ribero doing well in a city that doesn’t focus on hockey until after the NFL season is completed…he probably plays better without the media focus

  108. drecha says:

    I can’t say that I agree with you on the Rivet trade, we will have to wait and see how Gorges pan’s out in the NHL but Gainey had to make the move to free up some cap space to sign Markov, also the first round pick turned out to be Max Pacioretty who looks to be a very solid pick who is compared to a Eric Cole type of player if he turns out te be that type of player I would say that that was a great trade. As with all trades involving prospects and draft picks they cannot be evaluated till you see how thing shake out, but either way Rivet was not going to remain a Hab, so to lose him for prospects rather than watching him walk away as a UFA is fine with me.


  109. N.B. habs fan 50 yrs says:

    SMART DOG …WELL SAID ,I agree 100% and I do think the coaching staff read these comments because there is allot of knowledge on here ,if you add all the years…….hay folks thanks for your post of encouragement it made my christmas .I been reading these post since last may ,every day and sure have learned alot the habs from you guys.I wanted to go to the summit but wasn’t able to , mabe next year,and if not I will go to a game in jan. My wife said she was going to get me tickets to go.

  110. Mattee. says:

    Does anybody know if RDS is streaming the game online tonight or if they are streaming games at all yet? If yes, where should I go, and if no… who is!?

    Thanks all,


  111. Sulemaan says:

    Hi Matteo,

    I know some people at RDS and right now they are focusing on other stuff before stream-lining games. When they appear online remains to be seen.
    You might want to check out as they sometime streamline games online but only if you are in Canada. If you are in the US, you can’t see the games online as one friend of mine in California has told me.

  112. showey47 says:

    I agree with you 100%. But in rivet’s defence he did want to finish his career a hab and was willing to take a paycut to do it. I got a chance to meet him this summer at the brian savage charity classic golf tourney and he told me this first hand. Gainey had to clear some salary to re-sign markov, souray(which instead turned out to be hamrlik), and he was hoping to sign the top line forward. No one really knows how good gorges is gonna be because he is only now getting a chance to play on a regular basis. Max pacioretty, i can only hope will be the true power forward (sorry gui) that this team needs in a big way. Down the road i say we probably win this trade.

  113. DAVE. N says:

    to drecha…sorry to inform you..rivet wanted to end his career with the Habs…and,if you see his #’s vs Gorges per game…we lost alot..Gorges has alot of willingness,but as to ability? He’s not much better than a Brisebois,and I’m pretty well established on where I stand about him.
    Rivet also brought something to the dressing room that isn’t there any longer.
    I agree about prospects like Pacioretty…sure lets look at prospects…we’ve a few,and I’m glad they are there.but I want a cup in 2009 in the 100th anniversary of this team…he just isn’t there yet…Rivet,on the other hand,would have….in this case, I’ll always question Bob about his trade…Gainey knew and knows about locker room leadership,and he let this one slip think Gorges/Brisebois/Pacioretty will be there?

  114. Higgins21 says:

    Rivet is a respectable hockey player. But, obviously both he and Souray were not in the master plan.

  115. drecha says:

    Dave N I understand that Rivet would have liked to end his career as a Hab, but at what cost? There was no room in the cap space for 3 top end defenceman, Markov was the priority then Souray (ended up being Hamrlik) and that was it, Ask Toronto how much success you have overpaying for to many “quality” D men, with the salary cap you will now see trades that may look like one team is getting away with murder, but in reality it is necessity to clear some quality players for potential. That is why drafting is so important now, you need to have players that can step in and fill a role at a discount price.

    I also would love a cup in 2009 and prospects can help in that matter as well, when a team is rich in prospects (as the habs are) they can use those as trade bait to pick up a marquee player. Lets not under estimate Gainey’s work until we see it complete. Every piece is part of a puzzle. Here’s to seeing it complete in 2009!!!


  116. drecha says:

    Dave N I understand that Rivet would have liked to end his career as a Hab, but at what cost? There was no room in the cap space for 3 top end defenceman, Markov was the priority then Souray (ended up being Hamrlik) and that was it, Ask Toronto how much success you have overpaying for to many “quality” D men, with the salary cap you will now see trades that may look like one team is getting away with murder, but in reality it is necessity to clear some quality players for potential. That is why drafting is so important now, you need to have players that can step in and fill a role at a discount price.

    I also would love a cup in 2009 and prospects can help in that matter as well, when a team is rich in prospects (as the habs are) they can use those as trade bait to pick up a marquee player. Lets not under estimate Gainey’s work until we see it complete. Every piece is part of a puzzle. Here’s to seeing it complete in 2009!!!


  117. nightmare_49 says:

    Dave. N – Time out , Rivet was not traded for Gorges alone. We got a 1st round pick (though a late pick) it’s not to bad. Secondly Rivet’s play was very irratic to say the least last year as he was not teamed with Markov. Without Markov he was teamed with many partners and it just didn’t work and when he became sick and couldn’t play his absence wasn’t missed. He was a leader but when the leader is performing below par his leadership becomes questionable. A change of scenery was best for him and the Habs. IMO that trade was excellent and we got more than we deserved.

  118. madhabsfan says:

    The more Ribeiro is looking good the more Gainey is looking bad, but hey, that’s part of the game.
    Ribeiro was an inexperienced, small forward on a team full of small forwards. He also had serious maturity problems, and considered himself a star way too soon. So, I’m not too upset with the situation, it made sense at the time.

  119. Higgins21 says:

    Ribeiro—past tense.

  120. 24 Cups says:

    Point well taken. My only beef was that we received nothing in return, in fact we had to absorb a salary dump. With Modano aging, I think we have to prepare ourselves for the fact that Ribeiro may finish in or near the top 25 scoring by the end of the year for Dallas. Hey stuff happens. We basically traded him because he lost his spot to Pleks last year. When it’s all said and done (down the road) that still may be the right decision. I have a low tolerance for self centred big fish who live in a small pond.

    The Original 24 Cups

  121. linp says:

    I remembered that Ribeiro was not clicking with the two Russians during the pre-season games. Since Bob spent a lot on the Russians, they blamed Ribeiro for the problem. We all know what happened afterward. I think the coaching staff should carry the blame for this one. On the other hand, it gave an opportunity for Plekanec to develop.

  122. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    JASON BLAKE, a 40 goal man, has only 3 goals this year but has not been BENCHED OR SCRATCHED…he has been given EVERY OPPORTUNITY to break it open and continues to see excellent minutes on the ice.

    we take our (only 30 goal man) and CRUSH HIM like he’s not worthy to sit on an AHL roster.

    and now I hear utterances of ‘send him down’? !!!!!!!!

    is there something in your water!

    he would be CLAIMED ASAP if we sent him down, he is not a HASBEEN oldtimer, the kid has at least 10years of hockey in him…potentially to repeat, improve upon, or even settle in at half his production and he’d be MORE THAN WELCOME ON ANY TEAM.

    ye faint at heart,
    ye fickle of strength,

    1. until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.
    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  123. Higgins21 says:

    I’m not sure what you are the professor of but it’s certainly not NHL stats. Ryder has 3 goals and 7 assists =10 pts. Blake 5+16=21. I like Ryder but it seems his time has passed in Montreal.

  124. Lee Hayes says:

    Ian,all the best to you and Andree!
    Go Habs Go

  125. downeast hab says:

    Ryder sitting again tonight, when is he going to say enough is enough. I think if they dont stop messing with him, then he should ask for a way out of this circus. How is it that management always has a way to put some players, and ex players out to pasture, and then they flourish with other teams. It happens to often. People can praise the team, but the fact is, theres something wrong with the system. The majority of games the goalie keeps the team in. this cant continue. The minute they lose,carbo,THE COACH, jumps all over the goalie. Lets call a spade a spade.

  126. nightmare_49 says:

    Dandy , 4 games without a shot. You know what happened to Ryder over shots. Cube keep up the good work. This game is really important as we go into Dallas tomorrow and they looked sharp last night.

  127. A. Berke says:

    Happy Holidays to all the posters, to Stubbs and the rest of the Gazette and to all the Habs, and last but not least to the ones whom I had the pleasure of meeting personally during the Summit.


    Ali B.

  128. Shiloh says:

    Ryder has been benched more often than Latendresse, a player who has been absolutely brutal with the exception of a few games. Heck, andrei Kostitsyn has sat more than Latendresse. Ryder has looked sharp his past few games, but it seems the better he looks the more Carbo sits him. I don’t get it, either. And Higgins21, please don’t castigate the Professor – he knows NHL stats just fine – and for Ryder those stats say 30 goals a year.

  129. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Let me be at bit more PRECISE. I didn’t think such PRECISION was neccesary to make my point. But you will find that being MORE PRECISE ACTUALLY makes my argument now infallible.

    Blake has scored ONLY 3 goals in the last 3 months…going back to October near the start of the season,
    in fact our boy RYDER has only ONE LESS GOAL than Mr. BLAKE over the same time.

    BLAKE avgs over 17mins

    RYDER under 10

    BLAKE is on the top 2 lines for his entire 35 game tenure,

    RYDER, in and out of the line up has seen usually the 3rd or 4th line.


    1. until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.
    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  130. Higgins21 says:

    30 goals a year? yes, in 06-07 and 05-06 but did you every hear of Kjell Dahlin?

  131. linp says:

    Hopefully, the Habs play a more team game with more puck control and breakout from our zone. Last game we were playing again the PK style of hockey, just tried to dump it out and gave away the puck.

  132. KamiDave says:

    I know people ask this all the time and I promise I’ll bookmark it this time, but how can I watch this game online? I’m at work so no RDS…

  133. MNaslund26 says:

    the habs have yet to come back after trailing by a single goal going into the third period. not a once! kinda pathetic. maybe tonight’s the night?

  134. Ian Cobb says:

    Lee-, Thanks from both of us and i also hope for you and yours to have a wonderfull family festive season.

    Nice to talk at you again my friend. Ian

  135. habs 1515 says:

    kevin come by here it must be boring there with the wives :)

  136. Ian Cobb says:

    Dreamer_49–Have a great Christmas, it has been a fun year on this site. IAN

  137. TradeRyder says:

    1. The LAffs BRASS NEEDS Blake to start scoring… otherwise they look bad – he’s their big free agent signing… so they NEED to give him as much chance as possible.
    2. The LAffs NEED Blake because they are not as deep as we are.
    3. I don’t know Blake that well but I suspect his plus-minus wasn’t terrible while he was scoring all those goals last year and I’ve seen him play – the guy has wheels and can set up his own shot. Ryder can’t. He’s big bird on skates. If he ain’t scorin’ he ain’t worth the ice time.

    Case closed – I hope. Why do people want to give Ryder so much grace… we need to win some games dammit! And we have the depth.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  138. The Teacher says:

    All you do is criticize man..give it a break. you don’t like Carbo..we know that!!!!

  139. Renegade says:

    AGREED! On top of this, that shootout lineup was a freaking joke! Our top goal scorer, Kovalev, COMPLETELY LEFT OUT OF IT FOR THE SECOND STRAIGHT TIME. I’m livid right now, Carbonneau is infuriating me.

  140. AdamG says:

    that Huet performance was for Red Fisher tonight.

    #1 my ass. he looked lost all night.

  141. Renegade says:

    I completely disagree on this point. Only 2 goals surrendered is hardly the goalies fault. If anyone is to be pointed at, its A. Kostitsen for being asleep at the wheel on two fantastic opportunities.

    Admittedly, Huet didn’t have his best game, but you can’t blame a goaltender for a game that was tied at 2-2 going into OT.

  142. TradeRyder says:

    I only watched half the game but saw Chipchura make some smart plays, K1 and K2 looked good… Lats and LaPierre too, though if LaPierre could add some finesse to his game he’d be dangerous. Great game by Huet. Too bad on the penalty shots.. he seemed hardly there. Odd. I wonder what that’s about.

    On the Koivu penalty I was thinking that the coaching staff seems to not let them hit anyone anymore, but they can still pull at players with their sticks even though that pretty much doesn’t do anything except bring penalties. Or is that a discipline problem…

    Speaking of… it was interesting to see Jarvis mic’d up… and everyone ignoring him. Could it be that the team doesn’t like this guy? Sure looked like it. That would explain a lot. The team seems sometimes not to care. They’re not gelling, something is missing. I remember Rivet saying last year how it was the tightest team he’d seen in his time in MOntreal. I’m sure no-one would say that now. What has happened? Is it the chemistry change? Seems unlikley since there are a lot of young players bringing good energy. I hate to keep getting back to this but I have a nose for these things… I think it’s the coaching staff. There’s something wrong. Is it Jarvis? Carbo? I dunno. But my nose says that’s where the problem is.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  143. Renegade says:

    I didn’t know giving up 2 goals was a terrible performance??

  144. Renegade says:

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Montreal needs a new coach, and perhaps even coaching staff. It’s just getting miserable.

  145. TradeRyder says:

    I couldn’t disagree more with people saying Huet sucked this game.

    I only saw half and saw 3 great glove saves, 2 on Kovalchuk. Huet was solid in the game. Penalty shots – a different story. But let’s see what was there… listening to some of you I can’t understand how Huet would have a .93 save percentage. Huet’s our #1, and deserves it.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  146. Renegade says:

    I’m glad that someone here has the ability to rationalize. As you mentioned, he has a great save percentage, and he did indeed make some fantastic saves throughout the game!

    #1 All the way, I wouldn’t touch Price for the rest of the season, aside from a start here and there every month.

  147. MNaslund26 says:

    two thoughts…

    Huet looked awful tonight. his shootout performance especially.

    Maybe mr. carbonneau should reconsider not placing kovalev first in the shootout. he is after all our leading scorer. Is he trying to make a point? koivu can’t score in a shootout and kovalev can. i don’t get it.

  148. Renegade says:

    Once again, 2 bad goals were outpaced by many fantastic saves. This loss should not be shouldered by Huet.

  149. mysterycog says:

    I am tempted to never read or post on here again… Huet played great.. sheesh. Sometimes a team loses thats it its not about anything else.. and they did get a point so 3 outa 4 aint bad..Please stop this self defeating whining all the time..

  150. Renegade says:

    Agreed. Montreal lost, it was a good game. I think everyone here has “Carbonneau Syndrome” whereas they MUST point the finger at someone for the loss. Just another sign that Montreal needs a new coach.

  151. Renegade says:

    I sent Price your flowers. He said thanks but he is already in a relationship.

  152. TradeRyder says:

    Huh… tell me:
    1. Were you watching the same game?
    2. Are you a Leafs fan?
    3. Do you have money on Price?
    4. Are you just cranky or withdrawing from some illicit substance?

    Huet played great in the game. Admittedly, in the shoot-out… not great.

    Too late to trade Ryder now….shoulda listened!

  153. Renegade says:

    You’re welcome. Its a shame though, you didn’t see the true reason I made that post. I’m beginning to wonder if TradeRyder is on to something with point #4.

  154. Renegade says:

    Bang on. Good post.

  155. Smart Dog says:


    1. Our rookies continue to impress. Thank God! It seems possible we’ll have a good future… it’s been awhile. Great game by Chipchura, LaPierre, K1 & K2.

    2. Huet has a weird quality of stopping the hard shots and letting in bloopers. He still has one of the best save percentages in the league which is quite amazing really… it’s shocking to think how good he could be if he could stop the easy ones!

    3. Our veterans often seem tired, out of sync., and unhappy. Markov ignoring Jarvis was priceless (RDS)… and I think, telling. Having a bunch of rookies is great but as a veteran I would not be thrilled that I am not being used properly and some kid is in my place. I think Carbo is the kind of coach to do that… and it’s what we see…
    this will not last. There will be a coaching change.

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  156. Smart Dog says:

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  157. Renegade says:

    That made no sense.

  158. Smart Dog says:

    I see that you say “YOUR so called #1 Goalie”. If you were a Habs fan you would say “our”. So why don’t you take a hike jerk. This is a forum for Habs fans, not for kids who cheer for other teams and want to jerk people around.

    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  159. T-roy West says:

    If there was something that was right with DTD’s comment it was that Huet is absolutely terrible in shutouts. I would never try and deke him because all you have to do is shoot the puck at any of the four corners because he doesn’t move. A goaltender is supposed to be agile and have good reflexes. He always seem to get caught flat-footed on just shots, no deke’s!

  160. The Teacher says:

    Umm, if he never got injured in the first place, we would have made the playoffs…What city are you living in?

  161. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Great game KOVALEV and the boys….thats how its done…
    When is CARB going to realize that KOVY is the #1 LINE…..and where was the MAGICIAN on the shootout???

    Koivus line had a few moments but then disappeared, HIGS losing the puck on the powerplay…seen that TOO MANY TIMES from that guy…he is too eratic for his own good, he needs to get the dictionary out and lookup “SMOOTH”….he needs to be more SMOOTH in his play…

    3rd/4th…good work against trashers top guns…Latron is starting to disappear again, hardly hit anyone but was smoked a few times, he needs to PLANT in front of the net, not glide around the periphery…I’d have RYDER in there over KOSTOP any day of the week.

    D played great again, as did Huet except for the shootout, he was beaten on a laser and the tried and tested deke ‘wait for goalie to commit then go high’ that was invented in the 70’s….SO it would have been tough for any goalie.




    and the opener for hockey night in canada CBC showed not a single HAB, just TORONTO and OTTAWA!


    1. until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.
    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  162. The Teacher says:

    How bad would our team have been the last two years if we DIDN’T have Huet..

    Get real DTD.

  163. The Teacher says:

    Could it be the team knew he was mic’d up?

  164. The Teacher says:

    I don’t believe you are a habs fan…haven’t for a while..just thought I’d let you know…tired of the going to stop reading your posts.

  165. T-roy West says:

    Hey Smart Dog: I saw the same thing with Jarvis and Markov and it almost seemed that Markov almost didn’t know what Jarvis was saying(english-russian language barrier)but it can’t be because I think he does understand english doesn’t he? Or mybe he just didn’t care. Mybe we should hire a Russian assistant coach for the team if we keep on getting russian players!!!

  166. The Teacher says:

    I don’t agree..putting Koivu and Kovalev on the ice more often when Kovalchuck would be on would mean Kovalchuck would gewt a hat trick..use your head..think!!!

  167. The Teacher says:

    Hear Hear

  168. Renegade says:

    I won’t disagree with this. Huet admits himself he dislikes the shootout greatly, and with the current coaching staff, its not really helping him improve in this facet of his game.

  169. Renegade says:

    I actually missed where Markov ignored him. I would’ve laughed had I seen it cause it sums up the entire debacle that is the Canadiens coaching staff.

  170. kevinhabs says:

    I’m pretty sure Halak saved our season last year. Well….almost saved our season. If he started that last game against Toronto, we would have gone to the playoffs.

  171. Renegade says:

    This is a dead argument. Huet was coming off a serious injury. Carbonneau made a mistake (nothing new) by playing him instead of Halak. Case and point, bad coaching decision.

    I feel like a broken record telling you this for a second time.

  172. Renegade says:

    We need an age verification. 18+ Only.

  173. Sulemaan says:

    I think the team played well and deserved the win. A couple of loose spots but overall a good effort. With regards to Huet, he stole the last game for us in Washington and people are saying he sucks? That doesn’t make sense to me at all.

    I’m neither for Huet or Price. I support them both and the coaching staff goes with the hot hand. I do agree that Price is our future but he wasn’t playing that well recently so he needed a break. 3 points out of 4 is good.

    With regards to the Carbo thing, I’m not thrilled with him but we’ve gone through so many coaches in the past decade (Demers, Tremblay, Julien, Therrien, Vigneault) that the turnover is killing us. Just like us trading our captains without pause. I don’t think we should keep him simply to be nice but he deserves a chance. This is only his second season behind the bench. I do think he is getting mileage out of the younger players and they are the future of our team.

    Furthermore, if you fired Carbonneau who would you hire? The coach has to be french-speaking so that limits a lot of options. Only guy I can think of with NHL experience is Bob Hartley but although he won a cup with Colorado (who wouldn’t with Roy and Sakic), he didn’t do much in Atlanta. Hence he is unemployed. So unless there is a Scotty Bowman coach out there, let’s be realistic before pulling the trigger. You don’t run a successful hockey club on emotion. That is according to Sam Pollock, the best GM the Montreal Canadiens ever had.

    Lastly, I may take flack for this but I think the team has over-achieved so far this year. There are some games where they did not show up (last one against Florida) but most experts didn’t think the Habs would make the playoffs. Heck, on average they were pegged for 12th in the Eastern conference. I realize there is much of the season left but we have a young team that is learning and getting better. For the first time in years we have hope (just like SD has on his tagline).

    Let’s not get too pesimistic mes amis…

  174. AdamG says:

    i’ve never understood this comment.


    no one seems to remember that when Huet went down, he was playing AWFUL. he was losing playing time to aebischer. he was NEVER the same after that December 23 game in Boston. look up the stats. in the 7-week span between cristmas and valentines, he was lousy.

    no one is saying he’s a bad goalie overall. but i’m so sick of having huet’s no.1 status rammed down my throat when huet plays 1 good game in 4 starts.

  175. AdamG says:

    when you shut down hossa and kovalchuk and STILL lose to atlanta? it is. that first goal was ridiculous. you just can’t put your team behind the 8-ball like that. and not flinching on hossa’s SO goal? come on. you have to MOVE.

  176. imafogdevil says:

    I was watching the game, and I was wondering everytime Higgins gave up the puck tonight, was he afraid of being benched? When Sergei Kostitsyn shot the puck into the goalie’s chest twice, was he afraid of reduced ice time? Pleks had a good chance, but made one move too many. Is he out? When Mark Streit and Dandenault was playing forward and giving up the puck on the rush or the dump in, did they think they are out against Dallas?

    Sorry, obviously a homer for Ryder. However, this thinkg with Ryder is getting to become patheitic. As a Habs fan, I want the best team on the ice, at all times. Having defencemen playing forward when a man who has 88 goals in 3+ years is watching the game is just awful. Carbonneau is sucking the life out of this team. The Markov reaction on Jarvis’ yapping just goes to prove that these players have tuned these guys out. Seems Muller is the only one that might be listened to. Might.

    Play the best of what you have. And hire a coach who can get the best out of the players.

  177. AdamG says:

    and for all of the Huet backers, yes, it was only two goals (one of which Helen Keller would have had). but how many times did Huet look behind him tonight or juggle the puck? he was confused all night long. never knew where the puck was.i’m not going to bother with the SO performance, but i have to say that if putting in a cold Price for the SO didn’t represent such an injury hazard for him, i’d NEVER let huet in the SO. that Hossa goal was an outright embarrassment. you can’t just not move and hope the puck hits you.

    mr. melanson…maybe talk to your goalie about this???

  178. imafogdevil says:

    I kow “why” the coach has to be french, but seriously, isn’t this supposed to be about winning. Didn’t matter when Scotty Bowman, Toe Blake and Dick Irvin were coaching. They just visited their friend Stanley on a regular basis.

    Hire the best coach. Gilette is American and wants to win. Perhaps he will buck tradition…….

  179. Sulemaan says:

    Thanks dude. Let’s do a virtual high-five Timo and call even. :-)

  180. HAB-PROFESSOR says:


    I’ve already started to see it, they say, “penalty’s are going to be called”, we have to play cleaner etc. etc.,

    SORRY..I SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT…right to the bottom line, thats what ITS ALL ABOUT = MONEY.


    the ROMANS started it, BREAD and CIRCUS’s to the people…and it worked for centuries.
    today, its BAY st my friends, and Billions of Dollars that call the shots.

    Watch the Rocket…its all in there….the bay st stripes would turn their back on Maurice when he was being CLUBBED over the head with a stick…TURN THEIR HEAD….

    the only way to beat that system is we have to be not just GOOD….BUT GREAT.

    THE WAY WE WERE….and it will come…its our destiny.

    1. until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.
    2. Delenda Est Torontium….
    3. your not a Hab fan till you watch & UNDERSTAND “The Rocket”

  181. WindsorHab-10 says:

    I still think you guys should hug.

  182. nightmare_49 says:

    Blake and Bowman are bilingual coaches , they spoke and cursed in both official lamguages , me son. Season greetings to you and yours on the Rock.

  183. nightmare_49 says:

    RDS has miked Jarvis and has the job of filtering many comments made during the game and they decided to use that one but if Carbo was miked and talked to Markov and got the same reaction i’m sure it wouldn’t have been shown , a tonque decision.

  184. nightmare_49 says:

    Great article which sums up your outlook of the Habs very nicely and now if you can do up your tie it would make Mr. Stubbs very happy as he’s very picky , lol. Season greetings to you and yours in the center of the universe.

  185. nightmare_49 says:

    i’mafogdevil – I’m in the Ryder camp and always will be but using the arguement that we have 2 “D”men playing forward is pretty lame as they are playing well and not hurting the team. I’m a wrinkle so i can remember the Scooter line which was the best in the NHL during their period ( Mohns,Mikita,Wharron ) And Doug Mohns was a “D”man before he joined the line and after the line was broken up returned to being a “D”man and retired as a”D”man. There are many examples of “D”men playing forward and vice versa and most did quiet well so this makes your arguement a little ridiculous. Hats off to the players that can make the transition as they are super athletes.

  186. idle says:

    I wish we had the ability to ignore users on this site and not even see their posts. Timo, you might be the most negative person I have ever encountered. If you are not CONSTANTLY trashing Carbo then you are trashing Huet or you are trashing Brisebois (even though he has done nothing wrong for weeks cause he aint playing). My advice to you is to go find another team to cheer for because you obviously can’t stand the Habs.


  187. Sulemaan says:

    Thanks Bryan. All the best for the holidays in lovely Verdun. I have a good friend who lives there not far from Atwater Market. Great area.

  188. Mattee. says:

    Thanks Sulemaan, I’ll definetly check out CBC though.

  189. Sulemaan says:

    Sorry Matteo. I was wrong, CBC is showing games online but only Ottawa and Toronto. Despite the fact that Toronto is not playing at home but in Florida as well. Go figure.

  190. showey47 says:

    Its not even fair to compare gorges to rivet, does anyone even remember rivet as a 23 year old? Rivet has 12 years in the league, gorges 2. Maybe in 5 or 6 years gorges will be a better dman than rivet was, who knows. Was gorges not a captain of a world junior team? If so, he obviously has leadership skills. Give the kid a chance boys, he certainly looks better than breezer.

  191. Wayne says:

    Definitely better than Breezer. Gorges and a pick was (as it turns out), a good trade. Rivet would have cost too much. Sure, the kid is small but he does have mobility and i don’t see him shying away from hits or bouncing off players like Brise’.

  192. kevinhabs says:

    Koivu’s looking great again when he has the puck. For the first month, he was
    so great dishing it out front to guys like Higgins, hence all his assists. And then from about mid-November to Mid-December, he looked so bad. He never won the battles for the puck. When he got the puck, he would throw blind passes away and the other team came out of the zone. All of the sudden, last Thursday against Philly, he started gaining some of that offensive confidence back and then he broke out last Saturday against Toronto. Tonight, he was making some great moves behind the net and he battled for the puck to get it to Sergei for the first goal. So if you want to take something positive from this game, it is that Captain K is back.

    P.S. Saku, you must get a new shootout move

  193. AdamG says:

    agree on koivu. he’s looking much more engaged.

    i liked the lapierre-latendresse-dandy line, but max needs to develop his shot. it’s so weak and not a threat at all. glad to see gui shooting the puck more and ridding his game of those junior B moves that don’t work.

  194. paul b says:

    carb.will raise the banner (: (soon)
    DTD YOU CANT BE A HABS FAN , because you get on here and think you know alot about hockey and all you do is put this team down ,not once did I here you say thanks for the 1 point Huet gave us ,just try to be a little more cofendinent with our players they are all we please stop trying to cause so much s%%t .If you are not happy with our club then cheer for you leafs……………

  195. G-Man says:

    Jeez, let in a softie and disappear during the shootout and the snipers on this site are all over you. Well said DTD. Price should start tomorrow. Huet was nervous and shaky all night.
    But, a point’s a point. Sigh.

  196. kevinhabs says:

    Even if Huet got the win tonight, Price would have probably started in Dallas due to the back-2-back night games.

  197. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Huet even said and I quote:”I’m not too confident in our shootouts”. Is this his way of saying put Price in to handle my shootouts? I just thought it was a strange comment to make.

  198. Kevin says:

    Kovalev was fantastic tonight, but his linemates couldn’t finnish his plays. Can’t really blame Huet for the shootout (even though he wasn’t great) since you can’t win if you don’t score!

  199. WindsorHab-10 says:

    On a more serious note, looking at our coaching staff (Carbo, Muller & Jarvis), the Habs were a powerhouse on special teams during their careers especially penalty killing. Why then are we one of the worst this year in PK? Is it coaching or the product on the ice?

  200. skoehn says:

    Wow nice to see the montreal fans supporting there team..oh wait its others fans doing it. I can’t believe some of the comments ppl make and it would come as no surprise if more players made comments and are unhappy with playing for the habs. I am a life long habs fan and always will be in good times and bad but i can totally see players leaving and others not signing Keep it up habs fans and you will see Price walking as soon as he gets a chance why would he want to sign with a team who’s fans are fickle and if the goalie gets scored on in the shootout well thats it he should be traded he is useless ETC.. I’m not sure how you can blame this on the goalie when the shooters failed to score and if they would play an entire 60 mins as a team there would be no need for a shootout… Not to mention how there own coach has blamed the goalies afterevery loss.. Huet and Price are both good goalies who go out there face alot of shoots and more often then not keep the habs in the game…and when the team loses carbo stands there and calls them out… Meanwhile saku has had almost every player on the team as a line mate for a few shifts and then the juggling starts I can see the player totally getting sick of never being allowed to develope any chemistry with there line. Its even become a media Joke but it’s not funny anymore. At this point i don’t understand why carbo can’t just go with the lines from start to finish cause its not making a difference on the winning/losing. This team has no confidence in the line they may or may not be on Tired of there coach blaming everything on certain player or which ever goalie was in net… Hey Carbo when you point the finger there is 3POINTING BACK AT YOU…

  201. skoehn says:

    Why is it that all the player that have been traded in recent yrs are now huge factors for the teams they play for… hmmm perhaps montreal is the problem and not the players

  202. LTHF says:

    Michael, Michael, Michael— now you have done it for sure, sitting in the press box and your team loses and now the coach is in a dilemma of who to point the finger at for the lost. Could it be any of those players who missed all those chances in front of the net and in couple of chances — wide open net— nah cant do that too many players did it, maybe it will be Higgins for turning over the puck on the PP causing a 2 on 1 break—nah! Maybe the captain for taking 2 penalties in the 3rd—nah not a chance— refeere’s fault. I think michael you better be ready, I think you may be in there tonight against Dallas, because unless Price is truly outstanding, they are going to need someone to point the finger at tomorrow and youre the man.
    Have a merry xmas all!

  203. LTHF says:

    And oh yea, wasnt that a outstanding performance by the Habs shooters in the shootout!

  204. nightmare_49 says:

    IMO watching the last few games the line change that most of you have been typing about may happen if not now soon. Higgins is a very good player but has been trying to do to much on his own and by switching him with Andree Kostitsyn he can play a simple game and let Pleks and Kovy handle the puck and Higgy can win the battles and be a force around the net , no more no less. The two tits can fit in well with Saku as Sergie seems to be defensively aware and their could be magic with their skills. This move will get Higgy out of the habit of overhandling the puck as Kovy and Pleks do that well. Plant and Pot strategy for the Higgy.

  205. ccs says:

    Time for Higgins to get off the top line….He is not a top line player. Maybe in 2 or 3 years but not now.

  206. Smart Dog says:

    A good point – they don’t need Ryder’s help to miss the net. The team can do that all by themselves. So he might as well stay in the press box.
    Be happy! At least the FUTURE looks bright!
    Plekanec, Higgins, Komi, Chips, Lapierre, O’Byrne, K1 &K2, Price

  207. CH1909-2009 says:

    Given the phantom call on Koivu which led to the Thrasher’s second goal (well, more like a no-call on the obstruction on Koivu) I’m happy with the point, it was a good effort. But it underlined for me the lack of top level sniping given all the quality chances we can’t bury.

    Also, would it be so difficult to set up a little strip of ice with a crease and net somewhere under the stands, so Price could warm up during the OT and come out for the shootout???? :)


  208. TommyB says:

    Nice comment…..aren’t you the guy who is always asking for some respect?

  209. CH1909-2009 says:

    You’re a cretin, read the comment. It says “in light of the phantom call”. Not “I like single points”.


  210. jrshabs1 says:

    It’s official, habsinsideout has been infiltrated by a bunch of Canadien’s haters. Or Montreal fans are the biggest losers on the planet who rip thier team apparently if they win lose or draw. I can’t figure it out, all these posts are the same after every game, the lines of sanity have become blury and no matter what nobody is ever happy. What more do you people want from your team? I see a team with 40 points and currently sitting in a playoff postion. Or am I crazy and delusional and the Canadiens are sitting in last place with 17 points and Patrice Briseboise is back and captain of the team.. wait a minute?

  211. CH1909-2009 says:

    I agree with you. Habs fans have yet to realize that due to the parity with the cap, plus the watered down talent pool due to too much expansion, the days of the dynasty are over. One or two teams like Ottawa and Detroit will occasionally manage to draft good cores which stay affordable for a few years, but every year 28 teams will be roughly equally mediocre. To be slightly towards the top of those mediocre teams is about all that can be expected realistically. Unless the league contracts, puts more teams in Canada, and raises the cap.


  212. idle says:

    DTD there is a difference between being outspoken while voicing your opinions and just being ignorant. Smart Dog has as much right to post here as anyone else does and I for one enjoy his posts. You basically just called his opinion useless and provided no argument as to why.

  213. Leclerc1965 says:

    DTD is obviously cranially equivalent to a brain surgeon and doesn’t need respect, or anyone of these “Yahoo” opinions that he responds to. Wait a second….response to opinions he doesn’t give a S*** about, he’s brilliant!

  214. habitual says:

    The only way to deal with these silly outbursts and (sometimes unacceptable disrespect) is to ignore them. Make thoughtful comments, and respond only to other thoughtful comments. Here are my thoughts:

    Last might was a good road game. While we tailed off in the third period for the first time in a long time we dominated the first period. We out shot and out chanced the Thrasers.

    Kovalev continues to play very well. Koivu and Markov have been playing much better of late, and Sergei and O’Byrne have been pretty solid. We now have two lines that can score, and all of this explains why we have gotten points in 4 of the last 5 games.

    A point is a point and they all count towards standings. It was only a few seasons ago that one point came from a tie. A tie was not a loss. The fact that we now call them overtime or shootout losses seems to focus us on the label and not the end result – one more point. Not as good as a win, but it’s really not a loss.

  215. Girth says:

    True, which makes it all the more important to try and catch lightning in a bottle by trying different combos and experimenting with the chemistry of the team. The problem, however, is that the “magic” is both elusive and fleeting.

    I think it’s what makes it fun to follow. (and second guess)

    Bottom line, the Canadiens are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna’ get.

  216. Girth says:

    I like the idea of a goalie “bullpen” … all it would take is a small training/warmup facility hidden somewhere in the back.

  217. AdamG says:

    so from what i gather, we’re not allowed to criticize the team? is this serious? if i criticize Huet’s play last night, why does that make me a lesser fan than any of you? i just don’t understand this. i agree that posts should be respectful and mature, but i’m tired of being told i’m a bandwagon fan whenever i criticize the team.

  218. AdamG says:

    i think the habs really need to start going balls out in OT, because they’re not built for the SO, especially with huet in nets. take our chances ending it in OT. we can’t keep going to shootouts sending kovalev, koivu and kostitsyn against the likes of hossa, kovalchuk, st. louis, lecavalier, crosby, malkin etc..

  219. A. Berke says:

    I haven’t had the time to read the posts in this thread since yesterday afternoon. However, you are entirely entitled to criticize (as well as praise or comment) a player or the team as whole. That’s what these columns are for.

    The operative word being respectful and mature towards each other as well as the players and the team. Unfortunately some of the posters completely forget that cardinal rule and I wish that every one remembered and observed this common courtesy on a regular basis.

    Happy Holidays to all (again).


    Ali B.

  220. idle says:

    Merry Christmas to you too man.

  221. skoehn says:

    I totally disagree with this huet should play 7 games like price did….

  222. idle says:

    So now the truth comes out. The real reason you hate Huet is because he is French. Just add yourself to the list of people who make ignorant jokes about France because it has become such a cliche to do so. Why don’t you tell us about your dealings with the French DTD? I would be interested in hearing how they have wronged you?

    Dave Stubbs, I don’t think there is any room for racism on this forums.

  223. HNS says:

    Submitted by WindsorHab-10 on Sun, 12/23/2007 – 00:59.
    Huet even said and I quote:”I’m not too confident in our shootouts”. Is this his way of saying put Price in to handle my shootouts? I just thought it was a strange comment to make.

    I agree. Not a very smart thing to admit to the other teams. In the NEW NHL, you better be good in the shootout or you might as well leave the ice after the OT. Not good.

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