Game 30: Habs lose sixth straight at home

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Tampa Bay’s Vincent Lecavalier celebrates his second-period goal.
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It seems the ailing Canadiens have developed an immunity even to the National Hockey League’s most effective guaranteed-win medicine.

The Tampa Bay Lightning came to Montreal last night for their second game in as many nights, having been pounded 6-1 in Toronto by the Maple Leafs, and as the NHL’s worst road team, having won just twice away from home. The Canadiens had won six of their past eight games against the Lightning, including two in a row in their usually friendly home rink.

Finally last night, a Canadiens win on Bell Centre ice, right?

Well, no.

A shootout goal by Brad Richards, far and away the game’s best player, and three saves – glove, pad and pad – by goalie Marc Denis on Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Kostitsyn and Saku Koivu lifted the Lightning to a 3-2 victory over the Canadiens.

The loss was Montreal’s sixth straight at home and leaves them within one loss of tying the club record for home-ice futility. A defeat Saturday to the Toronto Maple Leafs, well within the realm of possibility, will equal that sorry mark set seven years ago.

Yesterday, Canadiens head coach Guy Carbonneau scrapped the traditional game-day morning skate, perhaps to keep his team away from the circus surrounding the homecoming of native Quebecers Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St. Louis, among others. So much for that tactic.

The Canadiens, now 14-11-5, led this one 1-0 on a broken-stick power-play goal by Alex Kovalev at 47 seconds of the second period. But the Lightning struck back – Lecavalier, 63 seconds later, and André Roy, at 8:58, the latter on a botched clearing attempt by rookie defenceman Ryan O’Byrne, gave Tampa Bay a 2-1 lead heading into the third period.

Plekanec evened the score at 15:22 of the third, converting his own rebound past Denis.

Montreal goalie Carey Price stopped Lecavalier in the shootout and St. Louis shot wide, but in between, a beautiful snap shot high over his blocker-side shoulder by Richards proved the winner.

The Habs had dodged two dangerous shorthanded bullets in the third, Plekanec dinged for a hooking minor at the 20-minute mark of the second and Mathieu Dandenault drawing a slashing penalty midway through the third.

Montreal could do nothing with an overtime power play of their own, Vaclav Prospal called for tripping at 3:04.

Tampa Bay outshot Montreal 31-30, though the Canadiens had a 3-1 edge in the overtime.

The Canadiens play the Flyers in Philadelphia tomorrow before returning home for Saturday’s tilt against the Maple Leafs.

 

Below: Canadiens’ Saku Koivu is robbed by Tampa Bay goalie Marc Denis on the game-deciding shootout effort.
Shaun Best, Reuters

191 Comments

  1. AdamG says:

    starting to look like they’ve quit on Carbo

  2. Smart Dog says:

    Arf-ul. Just arf-ul.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  3. AdamG says:

    yep. breezer could just have easily have cause 3 goals tonight. Carbo seems like he’s coaching for his job.

  4. gumper says:

    The reason they’re coasting is because they know they’re trying to execute a game plan that doesn’t work. Either that or they’re playing (consciously or unconsciously) to get the coach fired. Don’t send the players packing in some kind of desperate fire sale, start by changing coaches. I don’t know why this isn’t obvious to everyone, including Gainey. Now, it’s just a matter of sitting and waiting for Gainey to act. Based on past performance, we could be waiting a long time. Thirty games this year, and not a single one of them have we won, coming from behind. What do you suppose Carbonneau is saying in the dressing room? Probably humiliating a player or two. A good coach makes even mediocre players better by getting them to believe in themselves. This coach only makes players believe they are worthless. Much as I loved Carbonneau as a player……..HE CAN’T COACH!

  5. Rocket Richard says:

    I can bare to look and hear what the habs will do in the 3rd period.

    Losing again.

    I wonder what the habs record is when then trail after 2?

    Wake me up when game is over

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    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens
    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  6. AdamG says:

    we need to look at the bright side–this game could lead to the changes we’ve all been hoping for.

  7. Rocket Richard says:

    i was listening to the team990 in montreal all sports radio show today.

    They where having sports discusion and the habs situation came up. One sports commentator mention that if the habs continue losing through saturday, they have to serious think of firing carbo or someone just to shake something up.

    I am not sure if its just talk or if its serious and this commentator has any insight into the matter.

    My guess are that the habs front office are feeling some heat. Even more so after tonight.

    If they do lose the next two, and nothing happens, oh boy,…

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    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens
    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  8. AdamG says:

    o’byrne has looked clueless the last two games, but i agre–you can’t bench the kid. he’s got to learn and we’ve got to commit to our youngsters. what’s the difference?? like brisebois or bouillon don’t do the same thing? anyway, 17 shots in 2 periods…1 5 on 5 GA…the problem tonight is, big surprise, offense. PUT GUI ON THE FIRST LINE!!!!!

  9. saku11 says:

    Koivu scored the only shootout goal last game against Nashville.

  10. linp says:

    Koivu is playing as if he is thinking about other things, a trade may be. I wonder whether his buddy, Rivet, phones him a lot recently.

  11. LTHF says:

    Pitiful Pitiful Pitiful!!! Turnover after turnover. Dont appear to have clue what to do when they get in the offensive zone.sssssss They like a rudderless ship. Koivu continue to take penalties that hurt the team and yet the rookie O’Byrne falls and Carbo sits him for rest of the periods— Nice way to shatter his confidence.

  12. AdamG says:

    oh ease off price! that was lecavalier’s 20th goal. he does it to every goalie. looking for blame on the 2nd goal? how about ryan o’byrne unable to execute a peewee play.

    looking to place blame? blame on the 18 skaters who can’t match the work ethic of a 2-win road team that played 24 hours ago and lost 6-1 to a mediocre Toronto team.

    tampa has 2 road wins this year, marc denis has 0 wins this year. they’re beating us 2-1, and we all know what;s coming on that PP to start the 3rd.

    its time to send some of these coasters packing. i can handle losing, i can’t handle a refusal to work. i really hope that the players have tuned Carbo out, because if THIS is his gameplan, yikes.

  13. Scott in Montreal says:

    just closing those html tags – or trying to

  14. linp says:

    Carbo has demonstrated once again he is so dumb. Plekanec and Kovy are the best pairing. He didn’t use them in the 4 on 3. After that, he didn’t use Kovy in the shoot out.

    Another thing I found out is that whenever we lose the puck, Carbo sends only one man in and four men back. It allows the other team easily gaining the zone. Sometimes their two D-men are passing the puck left and right while we have only one guy chasing. It may be OK if we are leading. We were trailing 2 to 1 at that time.

    Something has to be done.

  15. AdamG says:

    they’re just not willing to work hard enough to win. it is what it is at this point.

  16. Rocket Richard says:

    if the habs continue to lose, carbo will be forced out.

    Possible this week according to a new source.

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    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens
    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  17. gumper says:

    Gotta check out too, till some changes are made. Can’t support this train wreck disguised as a hockey team as things stand.

  18. AdamG says:

    they should decline it. this is a bad hockey team. people, we need to remember that we played the league’s worst tonight. and we were lucky to get a point. we got lucky on both goals. but this effort seems to be acceptable within that dressing room right now…

  19. HNS says:

    We make crap look good….

  20. Rocket Richard says:

    we get a point, but no win.

    do the habs have it in them to win again?
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    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens
    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  21. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Stick a fork in me…I am now done…I cannot watch this club anymore.

  22. joe-hab-nuno says:

    Whoa, Price showed some emotion, that’s finally some good news

  23. HNS says:

    Yay, we get a point!

  24. AdamG says:

    that was bad hockey in the first…

    some glorious chances for the Habs but their lack of finish is glaring, as usual. this one is there for the taking. unless levac and st. louis are on the ice, the lightning looks useless. i’ve seen better defenses in Ligue Nord Americain…

  25. AdamG says:

    ew to that 4-on-3.

  26. linp says:

    He has to play Kovy and Plekanec

  27. AdamG says:

    that John Tortorella is an emotional feller…

  28. linp says:

    I want the players to show some respect to their fans. No matter what the score is, skate hard in both end of the ice. Make it simple. Play with your line mate. Hit every thing that moves. Block shots.

  29. Rocket Richard says:

    a glimmer of hope, lets hope they can win it

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    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens
    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  30. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Predictions?
    Simple, if the Habs bring their best that we’ve seen this year, then we can confidently say tonights match is a WIN.
    BUT SOMEONE has to step up and lead the team to play their BEST.
    who will it be?…the coach or a Veteran as Mr Bel said…

    will the scoring be spreadout?
    will the goalie bounce back and stand on his head?
    will a defensive breakdown cost us the game?
    will a Ryder/Higgs/Plek/Koivu/Kovy RISE TO BE A SNIPER?

    I guess thats why were glued to this team…there is still hope,
    we don’t want to face the fact that we could be a bottom feeder.

    it would be folly to even attempt a prediction…bottom line,
    we need a result.

    ———
    until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.

  31. gumper says:

    Options are:
    1. Make a trade
    2. Call up some Bulldogs
    3. Fire the coach
    4. Do nothing and pray

    I’m going to discount the last one as we’ve tried that, this year and last, and it didn’t work.
    Number one doesn’t make much sense right now as we are in a weak position and so will get our pockets picked, unless we want to give away the future.
    Number two is questionable at best, as Lever, who ought to know, keeps saying guys like S. Kostitsyn aren’t ready. Realistically, who else is there?
    Guess what that leaves.

  32. Smart Dog says:

    I posted this elsewhere, but everyone is over here…

    ————–

    DEAR BOB & GUY,

    PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR FANS!

    THE THREE THINGS EVERYONE (but you?) KNOWS!:

    1. We need more toughness – physically and mentally. Thank you for drafting so many good finesse players. We love that you are up-holding the tradition of having a real skating team. But our small guys get pushed around, because we don’t have enough enough grit. Our team is ‘fragile’ because there is no leader with the kind of anchoring grit that you guys had, or Sakic or Smyth, or Neidermeier, or…. Give us a couple of Canadian western-style heart-and-soul players to balance this team’s ‘fragile psyche’, and a decent enforcer and watch your Plekanics and Higgins’s and Kostitsyns burst into scoring machines.

    2. The Canadians defensive style of play a la Carbo isn’t working. Carbo, we are behind you. But any team that gives up 30-40 shots or more per game does not have a good defensive system. It’s either not a match for these players or this era. You need to figure out which. (or if it’s both, which is what I think!)

    3. We need a marquee forward. Yes, we know this is the hardest one and may take some doing – these guys are extremely rare, but either bundle some of our best guys together or take care of the FIRST TWO OF THESE THINGS so we can have a better team and someone might want to come here.

    Bob and Guy – you are GREAT hockey men! I believe you have done a lot with a little in the time you have been here! But seems these days you’re getting lost in the details…. the thousands of little things you are doing will work a lot better when these bigger things are looked after.

    Best Wishes,

    A Smart Dog

    PS: Sorry for crapping on you (not literally) sometimes. We think you’re great. Just try to listen a little – we fans aren’t stupid.
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  33. joe-hab-nuno says:

    thank god i’m not watching it, listening to it over the net

  34. joe-hab-nuno says:

    sha-na-na-na sha-na-na-na hey hey hey goodbye..

  35. Vancouver Hab Fan says:

    If Lecavalier is traded to Montreal would you still have to lift the curse for not points against Montreal? Even if he put the puck in his own net he would not be credited with a point.

    I don’t think he will get traded by Tampa until maybe they are certain they will lose him as a free agent. I’m hoping when he becomes an UFA that Vinnie will actually want to play in Montreal and will sign with the HABS.

    Go Habs Go

  36. moser17 says:

    I’ve decided to put a curse on Vinnie F. Lecavalier. Henceforth, he shall be pointless against Montreal until he is thereto traded, at which time said curse is lifted.

    So it has been written, so it shall be done.

  37. POPS says:

    Scoring 5 on 5 is overrated!!! The way that the game is officiated dictates the outcome. The flow of a game is dictated by the officials. For example, if the Bolts don’t get the powerplay late in the second/early third it gives the Habs an opportunity to start the third on the offensive. A penalty can add or take away from a teams momentum. If we score on the PP in the overtime everyone shuts up. I am not saying that we will be playing in June, but I believe we are a better team than what we are showing right now. Opposing teams know that our confidence is low so they are pressing us in our own zone which kills our transition game. It will take one good game to get us going.

  38. POPS says:

    KY I am with you all the way!! Well, not the Koivu part!

  39. Girth says:

    Good points…
    Although, in Ryder’s case, I think they’re simply trying to get him more involved on the defensive side of things.

    Especially given the current circumstances… there are not many options.

    1. He has no “immediate” trade value…(can’t deal him)
    2. Sending him to Hamilton means exit & entry waivers… then we loose him for nothing. (although it is something I’ve considered suggesting)
    3. Buy him some time by changing his responsibilities to focus more on defensive play. (This is the option they are currently exploring)

    Option 3 provides an opportunity for him to emerge from his funk and regain his role as a sniper… or , at least, acquire some trade value.

    Conclusion… we should have dealt him last February… but the current scenario has been, IMHO, a surprise to almost everyone.

  40. Drive_4_25 says:

    I personally think PAT BURNS would do one “Hell o’va” better job then carbonneau…why?

    E X P E R I E N C E!

    You have one of the least experienced teams (with the most storied franchise!) Trying to be coached by a “rookie” coach! And I refer to Carbo as a “rookie” because it’s painfully obvious that he learned absolutely NOTHING last year!!!

    God is a HABS fan whose still pissed at the ROY trade!!!

  41. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Girth,

    I think Ryder can be an effective player given the green light to play his game.

    Anyone given any thought to putting Ryder with Kovalev and Kostitsyn moving Plaaknec up to the first line. Would really give the first line some zip and the second line some toughness.

    Again, there are no defensive liabilities that I see with these changes, just offensive tweaking!

  42. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Ahhhh, but the big question……..woould he come back to Montreal? and deal with the fans and media scrutiny all over again? I say no.

    Not even Bob Hartley would be crazy enough to take a the position if it were tom open. I like the staff. None of the other coaching changes out there have amounted to long term change or success!

  43. Bouleau noir says:

    I liked reading your post habs fan in KY.

    For me its simple, there is no single positive element I can see in Carbonneau’s work as a coach in Montreal.

    Some people might see something,… I see nothing.

    We had a good start in the season and (likewise last year) that is because we have a descent bunch of players in our roster,… but if you keep playing under an innapropriate system (Carbo’s defeatist system) that makes little use of your inherent habilitys you’ll get drained,.. spiritually and physically,… lets face it, this year’s edition is about to brake a new franchise record for imcompetence if they are to loose that home game on saturday.

    Kovalev was in top form tonight and probably the charper of the lot irrespective of teams,… yet Carbo gaved him a ridiculously low 17 minutes of ice time and didn’t even use him in the shoot-out !!
    Lecavalier, Richard and St-Louis had 30 minutes of ice time tonight and they all took part in the shoot-out,… Tampa won despite the fact that they had played 3 games in 4 nights and had the worst road record in the league,…. Carbonneau is a huge disapointement once again.

    Gainey should take over,… he broke it, he fix it.

  44. Chuck says:

    Great photo of Koivu’s shootout attempt, though with the puck on its edge and Denis’ goal pad so far inside of the goal line, it would be much more telling to see the next frame or two in the photographer’s sequence to determine whether ot not the puck actually went over the line. It definitely looks like there was room for it with all of the white paint between the puck, the pad, and the goalpost, though from the referee’s poor position (from BEHIND the net) he couldn’t have determined if a basketball had found it’s way into the net.

    I thought that it was definitely close enough for a video review, but why would you want to bother getting the call on a shootout goal correct, anyway?
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  45. Smart Dog says:

    Okay defeatists, give your head a shake.

    Last night:
    1. A few players at least, really came to give er. Koivu played one of his best games of the season. He won two-thirds of his face-offs and had 5 shots on net. He played great D at the same time.
    2. The team played with heart for once – half of the team anyway, which is better than none.
    3. The Bolts beat us because of a fluke give-away in our own end by a rookie. Not much you can do about that except suck it up.
    4. The team is finally throwing hits again – I’m thinking Kostopoulos an Koivu, both making lightning sandwiches against the boards. About time.
    5. We were robbed by a hot goalie – someone playing at the level he is possible… yes, it always seems to happen to us, but it’s the way it is.

    On the down side:
    1. Our scorers seem to be aiming for the crest on the goalies chest. This team needs shooting practice or glasses.
    2. Some players on the D cough-breezer-cough still seem half asleep half the time. That’s half the time too much. That can’t be good for the team’s confidence or our momentum through the game. That one pass Breezer made from behind his net to the Bolts… ARRRGGHHHH…. Bench or trade him.
    3. Despite looking a little better the team still hasn’t quite got it together… we really need more toughness, and a big center.

    Overall, the game was better than expected and a step in the right direction IMHO. Lots of steps to go, but based on what this team has been through I don’t think they are going to spring into perfection. It takes work and time – as long as they get better every game, I am happy.

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  46. yehaken says:

    I don’t think you ever, ever sit your captain.

  47. Smart Dog says:

    Me again! What – are you all sleeping in?

    The early dog gets the bone!

    CARBO IS RIGHT:
    “We showed we can come back in a game and that’s something to build on,” said Montreal coach Guy Carbonneau,

    I forgot that in my points… it was good to see Montreal score in the THIRD period for once. And you gotta love that kid Plekanic. Our team’s brightest spot on the forward lines IMHO.

    WHO HAS THE PUCK? NOT US!
    TWENTY-SEVEN give-aways by the Habs. Holy cow! Only 5 by the lightning. What happened to puck possession. This is my one big knock on Carbo. He’s playing defense and dump-and-chase when he should be drilling possession, possession, possession. This team needs to get back to remembering what it was like to control the puck. Drop the defensive shell! Just hang on to the damn puck like you deserve it.

    Carbo – the Habs HAVE TALENT NOT SIZE. The have skill to KEEP THE PUCK – this is how they started the year…. they do NOT have the size and GRIT to get it back. Look at your team!! It is 2007… you are not on the ice!
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  48. Drive_4_25 says:

    Gentlemen, I have a suggestion, and I am dead serious!I say that if there are no changes in the next few days, then Saturday…WE PICKET! I mean if this was Liverpool they would burn the bloody place down! It seems to me that this might be the only viable thing that we CAN do, that COULD change things..THINK ABOUT IT the fans are so upset in montreal that they are picketing in front of the Bell center, DEMANDING CHANGE!!!

    WHO’S WITH ME!

    “God is a HABS fan whose still pissed at the ROY trade!!!”

  49. LTHF says:

    Can anyone beleive who was out in the last minute of the overtime—- up front streit and Kospo— is that unreal or what?

  50. 24cups says:

    ugly ugly game. Looked like we were on the PK for most of the second and third. I think that I will take a braek from the habs for a week.

  51. Smart Dog says:

    Picketing sounds like not a bad idea, but you need to know what you want.

    What do we want?

    How about this:

    1. We need more toughness – physically and mentally. Our small guys get pushed around and our team is ‘fragile’ because there is no leader with the kind of anchoring grit like a Sakic or Smyth, or Neidermeier, or…. Give us a couple of Canadian western-style heart-and-soul players to balance this team’s ‘fragile psyche’, and a decent enforcer and watch your Plekanics and Higgins’s and Kostitsyns burst into scoring machines.

    2. Focus on puck possession, not defensive shells. The Canadians defensive style of play a la Carbo isn’t working. Any team that gives up 30-40 shots or more per game does not have a good defensive system. It’s either not a match for these players or this era – or both. We need to focus on play with the puck – that’s what we were doing when we were winning. Drop this dump-and-chase garbage (not that there’s anything wrong with garbage – yum!)

    3. We need a marquee forward. Yes, we know this is the hardest one and may take some doing – these guys are rare, but many teams have two or three – we have none. Either bundle some of our best guys together or take care of the first two of these things so we can have a better team and someone big and talented up front might want to come here.

    Listen to the Smart Dog.

    If only I could hold a stick.

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  52. Rocket Richard says:

    The Problem with defense, while every team needs to practise on it, unless you plan to win every game in a shootout, defense doesn;t score you goals. And last I check, scoring goals wins games. While its good to practise your defensive skills, you need to do the same with your offensive skills.

    I also agree with you about the mindset of the canadiens. Its just not their right now.

    Sooner or later, they will end their losing streak, only when they do, I hope they can still have enough in the tank to make the playoffs.

    Its just seems history repeating itself all over.

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    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  53. Habs_008 says:

    Are the habs really that bad? This looks like last year. Stop the PP and game over. Why is it all we have is our PP? SOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo many give-a-ways! I cant even blame them on Bris-bye, It looked like every player gave the puck away at least once, some of them twice. Why even play the games if they play like this. This team needs to wake up. Lowe was at the game, interesting….no one on the Oil can help us anyway. Do they want to give us Souray back?? NO thanks.

  54. Smart Dog says:

    Twenty-seven give-aways.

    Merry Christmas Bolts.

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    Listen to the smart dog.

  55. Bill says:

    Haha, you mean have the lunatics run the asylum? It is possible for things to be worse you know! The problem is not the way the team is “run”, the problem is that the Habs are playing badly, and it will correct itself as the slump subsides (short term) and as the roster improves (long term).

  56. coutNY says:

    There are a few differences between a professional hockey club and a publically owned company:

    ~ a Professional sports team is a legal monopoly especally in Montreal; meaning 1)the consumers do not have a choice in choosing this product [No other professional sport as a substitute or options for other accessable NHL teams follow] 2)No way another professional team can gain entry without it being granted by the NHL organization.

    ~ This causes supply and demand issues… meaning the supply is finite and the demand is high, hense sold out games every night, in the largest NHL center, resulting in the highest attendance among NHL franchises. (as far as a business model goes why change a good thing)

    ~ I am assuming the organization wants to appeal to their consumer base regardless of their financial success, so I am assuming they’re exploring every option to improve this team.
    Options: Management changes, Trades, Waivers, draft and nurturing prospects

    Management changes: Gainey has implemented the staff that best mirrors his philosophies and attributes as a player and coach, so eliminating them is admitting he does not believe his philosophy can win or that his choices in the people he chose can not run it correctly. Both would be admitting mistakes on his part.

    Trades: Easier said than done. CBA system has many flaws and limits decisive action for the most part. For the most part salaries and a clubs inability to swallow part of salaries to make deals more attractive hampers management from unloading or aquiring players tied to salary obligations. Further stifling the process was the over expansion of the NHL, which caused a massive delusion of the talent base, so once a team gets talent why would they be willing to give it up. Teams with crappy records stock pile talent, throw rediculus money at them, and they stay either because their contract dollar limits and trade movement contingencies disallow if they play bad and they’re are good with long terms and incentive pact to set the play for life.

    Waiver and re-entry system: good for relieving unwanted deadwood, but bad for trying to bring talent up from the AHL. Montreal experienced this a couple years back losing Hainsey when trying to get him to fill in for an injured Defense corp. Cunning teams low in the standings love to pick up talent especially half price. SO movement from the AHL affiliates are limited to two-way contract young prospects.

    Draft and Nurture: Gainey has put his best foot forward trying to bring up talent from within. Inevitably there will be some growing pains. Higgins, Komesarik, Plekanec, Price, Chipchura, Kostitsyn 1& 2, O’byrne, ect are quality players at the beginnig of their careers, so are still maturing. It took 10 years to rebuild teams like the Ducks, Sens, Pitt… This by experiencing the bottom of the barrel years and having top quality draft picks. Is a city like Montreal willing to except these type seasons to better there future?

    Do we want to end up like Toronto continually giving away the future on aging yester-year stars that will play the team to mediocre?

    Good luck with the “focus group”… cause if this organization is willing to ask for help from the fans, than management is on its way out because they are beyond the point of no return. The only focus group will be through these type forums and the Media outlets with praise or scrutiny. This is far beyond what any corporation will receive from the normal eye of the public.

    Just my thoughts… Go Habs Go

  57. Chimpanjesus says:

    Obviously the players have tuned out the coaches and no one has stepped in from the player’s side to instill the confidence they need to start playing a full 60 minutes. We have a good defensive corps( minus Brisebois) that is better than last year, and they have proved that to a point until December. We need an impact power forward that can only come as a result of a trade. We have enough young depth to mortgage that for this hole to be filled.

    Carbo also needs to go, and have Gainey take over for the rest of the season. It has worked before.

    Allons-y Canadiens!

  58. fuhgawz says:

    this is my first post in a couple weeks …….. for good reason —- this team is falling apart…….co-workers are killing me with the fact that the laffs are now a wayyyyyyyyyy better team or so it seems. To the Montreal Canadien Management —— Make a move do something NOW not when its to late ……… this is becoming a disgusting display game in game out with VERY FEW bright spots. This is B.S. pardon my language. I have lost my patience with every aspect of this team from management, coaching, and players —– no more excuses —— the buck stops here and now do something or lose fan support ……… how much crap do we have to take? …….. Starting today my beloved habs attire in my office is coming down ….. i can not respect them until they start respecting us and playing like a god damned winning franchise …. we should be a team like the yankees!!

    i am out

  59. Smart Dog says:

    You are correct sir! We need that impact center. Point 3 of my plan below!

    Carbo I think is listening (finally) and learning. He may turn it around (for himself as well as the team) yet. Don’t forget he’s a competitor and not stupid. Just a little green in the job he is doing. My money is still on him, though I agree I might lose.

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  60. NYhabster says:

    I missed the game last night and can’t comment on whether Denis was hot or not. However, your downside comment is in line with what I have noticed. The Habs have a tendency of making opposing goaltenders look “hot”. But this season I have seen some improvement over previous years. Especially with our second line. They’ve scored some pretty goals. We just need more of them (well… I’ll take more goals pretty or not).

    Prior to last night it seemed to me that this team had forgotten how to play hockey (both ends of the ice). What little glimmer they showed at the beginning of the season suddenly disappeared. No puck possession to speak of, poor stick handling, blind passes, players constantly falling down or colliding with each other (wassup with that?)… And very few players were getting physical or doing their part in the defensive zone. Our goaltenders, as good as they may be, were getting very little help. In fact they appeared to be the only Habs that knew what to do with the puck. So I’m happy to read that there was improvement last night. I hope that the worst is over and that the team can build on it.

  61. Smart Dog says:

    Good post coutNY! Are you also a dog?

    Good point here:
    Draft and Nurture: Gainey has put his best foot forward trying to bring up talent from within. Inevitably there will be some growing pains. Higgins, Komesarik, Plekanec, Price, Chipchura, Kostitsyn 1& 2, O’byrne, ect are quality players at the beginnig of their careers, so are still maturing. It took 10 years to rebuild teams like the Ducks, Sens, Pitt… This by experiencing the bottom of the barrel years and having top quality draft picks. Is a city like Montreal willing to except these type seasons to better there future?

    I wish they would just ADMIT it is a rebuilding year and outline some kind of plan. We DON’T want to give away our youth, unless we can get a 40-goal scorer in return – then a big trade may be worth a couple of good prospects, and we would still have more left over. I hope above ALL else – even beating the Leafs this week – that Gainey manages our assets well and doesn’t trade away any of the players above unless it is for a bona-fide forward star.

    I would rather bump along this year (but add at least an enforcer for Pete’s sake!), pick up the best free agent forward we can in the summer, and develop our young talent. We do have some good prospects now! And hey – admit it’s a rebuilding year will ya? And let Saku go to a contender – get a bigger tougher young power forward in return. Everyone wins.

    Go Habs!
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  62. Chimpanjesus says:

    There was a period after Julien was fired that Gainey stepped in before Carbo. I seem to remember them playing with a lot more intensity during that short timeframe.

  63. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Submitted by Bouleau noir on Wed, 12/12/2007 – 04:43.

    Kovalev was in top form tonight and probably the charper of the lot irrespective of teams,… yet Carbo gaved him a ridiculously low 17 minutes of ice time and didn’t even use him in the shoot-out !!
    Lecavalier, Richard and St-Louis had 30 minutes of ice time tonight and they all took part in the shoot-out,… Tampa won despite the fact that they had played 3 games in 4 nights and had the worst road record in the league,…. Carbonneau is a huge disapointement once again.

    Gainey should take over,… he broke it, he fix it.

    Bouleau noir HITS IT HOME WITH THIS POINT….the ROOT OF OUR FAILURE.

    Kostop’s line was on the ice for the last minute of regulation, Carbs strategy..hold the point at all costs, thereby destroying pleks momentum to win the DAMN GAME that we had to suffer through…that line should be registering 25 to 31 minutes per GAME…and KOIVU HIG RYD should be the same 25minutes…with the other lines around 6-7 minutes.

    CARB WAKEUP AND USE WHAT WE HAVE to its potential…not what you want to make it in your mind…..doesn’t work at this point in time. we need FIREWAGON HOCKEY.

    thats what the FLOWER really meant about the 4 lines…it was a JAB at CARB for rolling them equally when THEY ARE NOT EQUAL.

    CARB MUST FOLLOW THIS SIMPLE FORMULA:
    1st line = 25min
    2nd line = 25min
    3rd line = 6min
    4th line = 4min

    ———
    until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.

  64. krob1000 says:

    In my opinion 25 minutes is too much …Tampa is excessive but 20-22 minutes for a top line and 18-20 for the second line is reasonable. In our case it would make more sense to rotate based on individual gameplay which line is going better between our top two. From there the third line should play 12 or so minutes and the rest can go to a fourth line if it makes sense(opposition wearing after a 3 games in four day stretch or on back end of back to back). The problenm with us making up a supposed formula like this is the amount of special teams play that throws things for a loop. But to some extent I agree that our top players need more ice time and a longer leash.

  65. Bill H says:

    Pops, your post makes sense. Points 1, 2 and 3 are bang on. I’m not sure about point number 4 though. Yes, the O’Byrne slip was a bad break for a rookie, but I think the Habs were lacking a lot last night, and it wasn’t just good bounces. Too many turnovers. Not enough hustle. Shots on goal were okay, but I didn’t see much exciting hockey or many really good scoring chances. People on this site are talking about utilizing a more aggressive forecheck and out speed instead of a trap and I like the idea of that.

  66. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Bouleau,
    I agree the system Carbo uses right now is not the fit for the club. That being said, Guy was always known as a great 2 way player, meaning he scored and defended equally well. I feel he has great offesive ideas, just look at the number one power play numbers this team has. I just feel he needs to exploit the offensive fire power this team has more often.

    If we rid ourselves of Carbo, then who coaches? Gainey? Same system and in the long run same results in mu opinion. I love Koivu, don’t get me wrong. To me is an inspiration. But ask yourself, is inspiration and motivation the same thing? Is Leadership inspiration?

    At one point a month ago (when we were winning more often) I did see a possibility of a pretty nice package sent to Tampa for Lecavalier. Say give ‘em Huet, Ryder, a d-man other than Markov, Komi, or Hamerlick and a prospect/draft pick or two and the deal might have gone through. But now that Tampa has played against that talent, I think they would be all the wiser to not trade Vincent.

  67. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Changes to players or coaches?

  68. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    I don’t think many of us habs fans considered this year a rebuilding year 15 games ago. They are in a funk, and perhaps the road trips over the holidays will get this team back on track. The have everything in place, they just aren’t playing to their strengths.

    It’s like seeing electricians doing plumbing!! It’s not what they are best at!

  69. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    Sure special teams throw it out of wack…but the basis of this strategy is FOREIGN to CARB – he cannot COMPREHEND playing 2 lines for the majority of the game…and I’m really believing now that we’ve found the ROOT OF OUR PROBLEM….sure its great if you can roll 4 lines that can equally hit and score goals…sorry, this isn’t 1976 or 86 or 93…we don’t have that composition, we have 2 very good lines (i think) and 2 other role playing lines, with some decent defense and some goalies with potential.

    ADJUST THE MINUTES ACCORDINGLY…if your veterans let you down then its NOT THE COACH.

    ———
    until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.

  70. T-roy West says:

    CCS – I think if “ROY” was our coach and our lines were as follows and we changed our play to be more offensive then mybe we can be competitive!

    Latendresse kiovu trade or p/u(selanne,hedjuk, etc)
    A. Kostitsyn Pleks Kovalev
    Higgins Chipchura S. Kostitsyn
    Lappierre Begin Dandenault

    Which line does the opposition focus on. Three scoring lines and the fourth line a checking line that can score. Roll four lines and play 60 minutes!

  71. HockeyMan says:

    New Bench Boss Needed, and not someone
    to please the MEDIA(having to speak french), someone who knows hockey
    like Dave King.
    #84, GL you have to go.

  72. jrshabs1 says:

    Apparently nobody cares..except us. This team is garbage, it has been for 12 years. I thought when they brought Bob back that things were going to turn around and we could at least compete. Wrong!! To say I’m pissed off is an understatement. Why does management sit idle and do nothing while the walls come crashing in? Every bloody year we as fans endure the same crap with exactly the same results. We are the joke of the entire NHL. It seems that every other team has a star player that they can rely on in critical situations, can we say the same? Look at our friends the maple leafs, Mats Sundin eats us alive every opportunity he gets, we on the other hand have nobody that can step up when the game is on the line. Nobody!!!

  73. T-roy West says:

    I also agree with your comment about just seeing what other teams are seeing. Alot of teams seem to be going over the shoulder on Price. He definately needs to fix this sooner than later but he still has a very bright future!

  74. Chuck says:

    If what you’re looking for is offence, then what it comes down to is that your top lines and players aren’t going to score if they’re sitting on the bench.
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  75. T-roy West says:

    Hey DTD what do think of my Higgins, Chipchura, S. Kostitsyn line?

  76. T-roy West says:

    I think he might have put up a little fight but I think he new pretty quick that he was wrong. But it was close!

  77. POPS says:

    You posters are just awful tonight.
    1. KOIVU won 15 of 19 faceoffs. He didn’t get a point but, Lecavalier, ST.Louis, and Richards didn’t dominate this game either.
    2. A trade is not going to fix this team, especially when that trade involves the Captain. Ask any of the previous Hab Managers (Carbo traded, Muller traded, Chelios traded). Trading your Captain says to the rest of the team that the organization and team has no direction or loyalty.
    3. Do not fire the coach. If the coach is the problem, Gainey must figure out why and then help Carbo get out of this mess.
    4. Stick to the game plan. They are very close to breaking out of this slump but, they need some bounces. O’Byrne slips and Roy scores, bad break. They need to keep working hard and they will start winning. I like the way they attacked the net tonight. Ryder-Koivu-Higgins get them back together. Streit should be back on the blueline as the team struggles to get the puck out. One solid 60 minute game will be the launching pad for success, maybe a shutout.

  78. jrshabs1 says:

    C’mon on poppy, we are not close to anything except a high draft pick. How can you be satisfied with status quo? The team can’t score 5 on 5, now the team can’t can’t score on the power play but I guess it will work it’s way out and we will be playing hockey in June. Go Habs Go!!

  79. T-roy West says:

    I just think you have all of your bases covered with this line and it has youth energy written all over it. Play maker ,grinder, scorer. They would not be a defensive liability and they are tough( S. Kostitsyn likes to play physical). If I was a coach, I would have this line 100%!!!

  80. T-roy West says:

    I here you brother and I am almost at a loss for words if you can believe that. They baffle me. I know what Carboneau is trying to do(I think,lol) but the players aren’t getting it. So sad! The 70’s, I wish.

  81. G-Man says:

    Shootouts stink and, recently, so do the Habs. Everyone keeps blaming the coach, BUT HE DOESN’T LACE THEM UP. Why does he preach defense? Anyone watching Datsyuk and Zetterberg of Detroit cleaning our clocks last week could see it. Two of the most offensively gifted players in the league played GREAT D while getting points.

    The philosophy by this group of underachievers is to shake their heads sadly after yet another loss while explaining to all those reporters that it’s bad bounces or some other lame excuse. The truth is the so-called leaders on this team DO NOT give a s**t. They are collecting huge paycheques and ducking out of town every April as fast as that jet can fly. There is no pride anymore.

    Time to sit Koivu and see what happens. Likewise Ryder. It looks like this bunch learned nothing from last year and that isn’t the coaches; it’s always the players.

    Gilbert

  82. T-roy West says:

    Your funny!

  83. WindsorHab-10 says:

    The only logical thing left to do is pink-slip the coaching staff because they have lost this team totally. Almost 30 games into the season and we don’t know what our lines will look like from game to game. Is Streit playing defence? Forward? A healthy scratch? Or should we give Yuppie a crack at the #1 line? We the fans are confused with all these changes, imagine how the players feel. I know we’re not the best team in the NHL but we’re not this bad either. I hope Gainey steps in and pulls the plug on the three stooges.

  84. Norm0770 says:

    Youppi! has excellent size and could screen the opposition goalie well. Something none of the current players seem to do. I not sure about his speed and backchecking though.

  85. Gilles Poisson says:

    He has a good ‘tude too, always smiling. Delusional maybe, but happy.

  86. POPS says:

    Cournoyer12 you are throwing in the towel much too fast!!! Did you think that the Habs would be an elite team? In my opinion there is only one elite team and that is Detroit. Had it not been for the Schneider injury last year they would have beat Anaheim and won the cup! All other teams fall into the middle and just look at the Eastern Conference standings as proof. We will make the playoffs and in this league, unless you are Detroit that is the best you could ask for!

  87. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Ok OK….I can’t stand it anymore. I had to start my account tonight just so I could sleep!

    It is very frustrating watching this team go through this, but it will get better. I don’t know when…perhaps on the big road trip over Christmas. All teams go through a period of ineptitude (ex. Ottawa recently) and then regain their winning form.

    Here are my 2 cents worth (which is now worth 2 cents in Canada now):

    1. I like Carbo as the coach of this team. I know I am in the minority on this one (espescially after we lose) but who else out there would be a better replacement? Carbo and his staff were great players and still have the skills to succeed in the NHL.

    That being said, I would like to ask the coach to consider making the practices focus more on offense than defense. Being stranded in KY, I don’t have first hand knowledge of what happens at practices, but all I hear is defense. defense DEFENSE!

    After the last high scoring Boston win Nov. 17, Carbo said after the game we need to work on defense. Well, the best defense is when you have the puck!! By having practice after practice focus on the other team having the puck all the time, is it any wonder that the game results are any different? Guy Lafleur wasn’t insulting in saying we have 4 fourth lines….he meant that all the lines play like defensive lines! (He hated the change to a defensive philosphy later in his career…that’s why his stats fell year after year).

    You don’t fix Ryder’s goal scoring problems by doing defensive drills.

    Want to know why we are so good on the powerplay?? We don’t have to worry about playing as much defense! Let these guys take the puck and create! If our goalies are so good, then why are we worried about defense?

    Bottom line, this team should have scored more than the 2 goals it did. On paper, we can’t win the next 2 games (Philly scored 8 goals tonight, Toronto scored 6 against the Bolts last night) unless the mindset changes. You think these players get all pumped up going to practice talking about defense? How deflating is that?

    2. Carbo I believe can change this team. Firing another coach and bringing a new one has not worked the past 4 or 5 times with Koivu as captain. Perhaps it’s time to change the captain. I’m not saying trade him, maybe make him an assistant. Perhaps there is a more vocal leader on the ice that supports the coach and unites the team! I’m not sure if Koivu is that person.

    OK, I feel better now. I love this team win or lose. Go Habs!!!

    uhhhhhh….do you have the torch?

  88. Smart Dog says:

    Cournoyer12 said:

    “Gainey is trying to mold his team into the 1990,s Stars, when all they played was low scoring games, wish they never had won a Cup, now he thinks this system WORKS, Yiikes…”

    That’s a scary thought. I can only hope you are wrong.

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  89. Rocket9 says:

    Hab-professor – it’s a moot point, but the game I was talking about was in the 2nd round against carolina in the 2002 playoffs, before the lockout, when they had therien behind the bench and gilmour was an assitant captain.

    the game you’re referring to, when koivu had his eye injury, was in the 1st round against carolina, in the 2006 playoffs, with gainey behind the bench and gilmour sitting int the press box at the ACC.

  90. sholi2000.com says:

    Another tuff loss. As a Price fan that game was hard to take. I’ve seen Pee-Wee’s that could deak up high on the backhand better than our guys in the shootout last night. Carey’s parents were there. Jerry must have been burning inside with what he saw in coaching last night.

    Nice to see younger Kots come up, let’s see what this will do to us :)

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    Death to the Taliban
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  91. rotor says:

    i started watching the game last nite till the 8 minute mark of the first period anf for i seen of the team playing wise i knew this was not going too be a great game ….surprise like hell that they were able too make a game of only too lose in a shoot out…..

    the habs came out playing very shaky…they were not comfortable with the puck…i’m going too put myself on a limb here.it’s time too seek another coach…..carbo like tremblay.will loose players like koivou ….tremblay lost patrick roy both coaches are not players coach.i think carbo is the cause and is a horrible dressing room guy

  92. Rocket9 says:

    OK, I’m going to lose it.

    Why, o Why, o Why do they continuously throw the puck up the boards in their own end, only to have the opposing point man grab it and create a scoring chance. How many times last night did a player (forward, defence or goalie) get the puck behind the net or in the corner and blindly throw it, weakly, up the boards.

    The very best thing that can happen with that approach is that it gets chipped out to the central ice area. It only very rarely happens that it turns into a rush into the opposing team’s end with possesion of the puck.

    Offense starts with gaining control of the puck in your own end and breaking out with speeed and possession. The only time the habs can do this 5 on 5 is when the opposing team is on a line change.

    They have basicaly played this style since that damn game in the 2nd round against carolina, when Therien lost his mind and Gilmour broke the penalty box.

    And another thing, why do so few people seem to comment on this? It’s so obvious to me, yet it’s rarely the discussion on this forum, or by analysts.

  93. Smart Dog says:

    I agree with much of what has been said here – Krob, KY, coutNY…

    I think the core problem the Habs have is that CArbo knows squat about motivation. Last night on TSN one of the commentators said it best: “Why would Carbo call out Koivu? There’s enough pressure on the guy in this market – and he’s given his all for years. The coach should be in his corner.”

    The role of a great player and a great coach are not the same. The team is not the same. The league is not the same. I believe in Carbs and his team; I think they have what it takes to win. But until he discovers how to stand up for his players and facilitate their playing the best game they can, he will fail, the team will fail. And we’ll all get sick of watching these bums until they get traded to other teams and become stars.

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  94. Sulemaan says:

    Well things are going from bad to worse. I guess all the experts were right at the beginning of the season. I still think we should suck it up and focus on the youth and build through the draft. If it means dealing players such as Huet, Ryder, Koivu and Kovalev then so be it.

    We won’t get much for Huet and Ryder as they are UFA’s at the end of the year. Despite being the heart and soul of the team, Koivu has made it clear he doesn’t want to be part of a rebuilding effort. Time to let him go be a 2nd line center on a cup contender. Maybe deal him to Anaheim or San Jose.

    I think Kovalev is playing very well but he’s a streaky player and is getting old and has a huge contract. If we can deal him and get some cap space freed up then great.

    With regards to Carbonneau, I’m just not sure about him anymore as I don’t know if he is the right kind of coach to groom young players. But we’ve already gone through 5 coaches in 10 years and I hate that kind of turnover.

  95. Smart Dog says:

    Suleman, this is my favorite post. I like all of it! Cover it with gravy and I would even eat it.

    I also think that BG probably sees the picture a little bit the same. The fact is that most of our issues are with the coaching style. In terms of players the situation is what it is.

    The one question mark you raise is about Carbo. I scratch my head (and other parts) over that one too. I like your finishing note – switching coaches may not solve things. As long as Carbo is learning and getting better I think he should stay, and again, I would imagine a smart GM like BG feels the same. Carbo is a winner… hoping he is learning that motivation is complicated, team morale rises and falls with coaches comments. He needs to be more careful, more thoughtful about his role supporting his players. Really, in many ways a coach serves the players. And that is how to get the players to work for the coach.

    Great post!

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  96. calvee123 says:

    Well, I would like to add to the mix…. I think the Canadiens are playing to their ability. They just don’t have the skill mix that would make them a contender today. However, give them another year in futility (Hopefully this is the last one) the will be one of the better teams in the NHL. I see them as still a group of 2nd to 3rd year guys who will learn what it will take to win on a consistant basis. It will take time for this core of guys to learn how to compete on a nightly basis. I love them, I live, breath, eat and sleep Canadiens, but think they are still a year or two away from being a contender. What does everyone else think? Can they win, can they contend in a year or 2? Does any one else agree? Am I wrong, or will they be a bottom feeder for years to come? I am intereste in what others think?

  97. Girth says:

    Dave:
    Suggestion: Find a way to ensure that if someone uses one of the acceptable HTML tags… like “b”(within <>) for bold… that the effect doesn’t flow into the next message.

    All that needs to be done is to insert a “/b”(within <>) as well as all the others immediately after messages to turn all possible tags off. Make the white on the white background so no one would actually see them.

    Example: I can make all the messages below be italic… or italic or anything.

    See below

  98. AdamG says:

    did that really happen last night?

  99. carmine007 says:

    This may sound off the wall but, I think all of us can put some money aside and purchase the team. The owner of the Canadiens is not putting is best foot foward! How are you dedicated to a franchise such as ours and own a Football team in Europe and a racing team as well!

    The owners of some other BIG franchises such as the Yankees and Cowboys know how to do this yet this guy has no clue. He puts together a shoe string team and excpets us to make him profits. Thats all I see this owner caring about is $$$$$$$$$

    I’m sorry I sound so bitter but it’s been bothering me for some time now.

    Give me your thoughts even if you think I’m out of my mind.

    JE CROIS! I BELIEVE!!!!!!!

    GO HABS GO!

  100. 24 Cups says:

    I agree with you as well as dogman, your thoughts and viewpoints are well thoughtout. It’s so difficult to not get caught up in the emotion and disappointment of the moment. Is essence, what you are saying is that we should rebuild the team by trading off the above mentioned players while they still have value. If so, then our pursuit of a Cup will not coincide with our anniversary celebration (if that matters). Both of you have interesting viewpoints on Carbo. As I mentioned earlier in the day, the real question is are we in a slump, do we need the quick fix of a new coach, or have we overrated our talent base and need to restructure? Right now the answer to that question may be more important than a few points in the standings.

    The Original 24 Cups

  101. AdamG says:

    it irks me when people try to explain the woes with: well, no skill. true, we are low on skill. but we’re also low on work ethic. VERY low. to the point where it matches our skill. there is no desire to win battles on this team. that’s why we stink. why were we winning earlier in the season? we were outworking teams. now, we can’t even out word a 2-win team coming off a blowout the night before. shameful effort.

  102. Girth says:

    I work for NASA…

    we don’t want Ryder either.

  103. coutNY says:

    Ah I was wondering… played around for a while but eventually gave up on the idea….I figured it out. yah Mommy…Wow…I am a big kid know!

  104. coutNY says:

    Hey it wasn’t me….

  105. Smart Dog says:

    I disagree that we are low on skill. I think we are high on skill, low on elite players. Being high on overall skill is why we won so many games early on. Being low on elite players (no big power forward especially) means our support players and young players are doing too much work and the whole system is a little shaky. You could also say we are a little low on drive, grit, intensity or faith. Our players hearts are swirling with questions instead of swelling with pride. Where do you put responsibility for that?

    – Philosophy Dog

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  106. Smart Dog says:

    You don’t need to make them white. The programmer has already set it up so that the tags aren’t made visible. Even in odd-man tag rushes. ;)

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  107. krob1000 says:

    We are not that low on skill. We are not that low on work ethic. We are low on consistency at all levels. Be it scoring, defensively, goaltending,caoaching,etc. We proved for fifteen games that we had skill then we decided to morph into the New Jersey Devils of the late 1990’s for some strange reason. The only difference is the game was diferent then and obstruction was a huge advantage when employing the trap. Now you need super smarts and super speed in almost all of your players to play that system. We have a handful of extremely gifted offensive talents who need to be granted some freedom to utilize their abilities. I liked that idea of getting Kovy working hard and Ryder backchecking,etc but I think it is safe to say that they have learned enough to set them free once again.

  108. Corio says:

    Wow, no way! happy, happy, joy, joy!

  109. 24 Cups says:

    A lot of comments on our site are focussed on players who won’t be around when we take a run at the Cup. Guys like Smolinski, Brisebois, Tommy K, and Ryder. So really, it’s truly not about them (in terms of your question). Then there are guys who have good potential and I feel confident about. (Price, Chipchura, Lats, O’Byrne, Lapierre). Then there are the players who have had enough time to develop and should be making a major contribution to the team right now (Higgins, Andrei K, Komisarek, Plekanec) The later two are doing fine but the first two are not living up to their expectations. I know most guys on this site love Higgins, so do I. But if you’re really honest with yourself, he’s not advancing the way he should be. He may be a second liner for life. Andrei K. is on the fault line and is close to being a bust in comparison to other guys his age. God help us if his brother is the same. I looked at the top 50 scorers in the NHL today. None of them are Habs. No Higgins, no Koivu, no Kovalev. This is our Achilles heel. As for all the draft picks of the last few years, only time will tell but it would be totally unrealistic to think that more than half of them would pan out. The history of the draft tells us that much. The other problem is that hardly any of them address our true needs up front. If we trade Huet, Koivu, or Kovalev then it must be for young players already in the system, not picks down the road. Jeff Carter in Philly would be an example. So, I guess the jury is still out on your question.

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  110. Smart Dog says:

    Told you there was a dog.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  111. joel says:

    1st 10 games = .700
    2nd 10 games = .550
    3rd 10 games = .400

    anyone else see a pattern here ???
    i have said it and will keep saying it,, Carbo has lost the room!!!!
    i refuse to believe that we are this bad !!!
    We need an experienced coach

  112. mjames says:

    By chance are you any relation to the infamous dd.

    mjames

  113. mjames says:

    In the past there have been several posts about this very point. There were a lot on this topic last year. I, as well as others I guess, have given up raising the issue. I think this all goes back to how coach wants them to play. As much as I disagree their game is not puck possession .

    mjames

  114. mrstewart61 says:

    I would like to see the following lines for our top two:

    Lats – Koivu – Kovy
    Higgins – Plek – AK46

    Lats has been playing more his type of game lately and I would like to see Koivu and Kovalev together for a while.

  115. Sulemaan says:

    Thanks SD. Love the picture. I just hope Carbo hasn’t lost the dressing room yet.

  116. fuhgawz says:

    I AM WITH YOU —– a team with a storied history like this should not be feeding on table crumbs any longer —-

  117. Pat8987 says:

    I would hate to start a rumor, but i believe that thursday might be Saku’s last game as Captain… Tsn reported that there is a strong possibilty that Marleau + Bernier for Ryder and Koivu. I believe this because it’s coming from TSN Bob Mcnzie……. That would benifit both teams, we finally get a #1 center ans Sj finally gets a second center willing to support big Joe….this would be great for Canadiens…trust me i watch a lot of west games Marleau is the real deal if givin confidence.

  118. Corio says:

    I’ll believe it when I see it!

  119. Pat8987 says:

    Yeah me too……

  120. Blitzen says:

    I doubt we would get both Marleau and Bernier for Koivu and Ryder. TSN Bob is pretty reliable but I’ll believe that one when I see it.

    If it happens we can look forward to seeing Marleau on the checking line and Bernier on the top line with Streit and Lapierre.

  121. carmine007 says:

    Koivu… Trade…. WHAT!

    Is everyone NUTS?? Sorry folks right now the way I see it the WHOLE TEAM IS PLAYING HORRIBLE!

    We need our rookie netminder to start playing a little better and we need to collectivly start to play as a team from start to finish. Carbo maybe the person who we need to trade for Claude Julien? Ok sounds to wild. I’m begining to believe that Carbo may not be the right fit for this team.
    Lack of experience when developing players and he seems to be a little on the HOT HEAD side.

    Lets all keep the faith. Maybe this is the year we begin the season weak and finish STRONG!!!!

    It’s NEVER over til it’s OVER!

  122. coutNY says:

    over-zealous wishful thinking, says Mckenzie TSN http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=225013

  123. carmine007 says:

    Sholi nice website you have. Sorry to hear about the injury but, seems you’ve found another nitch in life to make you happy along with your family.

    Happy Holidays…

    It’s NEVER over til it’s OVER!

  124. fuhgawz says:

    no no no your to generous …. Marleau on the checking line …. no lets stick him on defense so we can put breeze bye on the first line — it is afterall musical lines in montreal —–

  125. Smart Dog says:

    You said “I believe this because it’s coming from TSN Bob M”. Did you read the column bone-head?

    That whole column is about the fact that he DIDN’T say that and he concludes that it wouldn’t even make sense. Read before you post. That’s just a waste of time in my day.

    PS: I know name calling isn’t good. But this really was about the dumbest thing – to build this up when the whole article is about how he said no such thing.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  126. AdamG says:

    to say nothing of the fact that we simply won’t do anything. we’ll ride tis coach, these players and this swoon out or into the gutter.

    this is it folks. no deal is coming. sergei kostitsyn isn’t coming. carbo isn’t going anywhere. this is the team. and if they have quit, they have quit. nothing can be done at this point. there are no trades in the NHL anymore. does anyone want to see Bob give up Higgins and Plekanec for Marleau? me neither.

    just buckle up, because things are probably going to get much, much worse before they get better.

  127. Smart Dog says:

    In summary folks – It’s all BS.

    Thanks Timo

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  128. coutNY says:

    Hey we’re just playing bad until max matures.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn9BT7pkQR8

  129. Bouleau noir says:

    Informative.. Merci -timo-

  130. Smart Dog says:

    Not only is that rumor BS, from what I know of Marleau I would take Koivu. We need a REAL top center or 40-goal scoring winger. Marleau would be trading 4 quarters for a dollar.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  131. AdamG says:

    but what if the Big Red Machine doesn’t accept quarters anymore, just loonies?

    yeah, i know–i just blew your mind.

  132. Smart Dog says:

    No, you have a genuine point.

    Sometimes what looks like an even trade can work out better or worse depending on the match with the situation. Could be the case. I would put money Koivu would get more points someplace else than here.

    You are smarter than you think. Just not as smart as me.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  133. Pat8987 says:

    That goes to show how much you know about hockey……..And, why would he come out and politically correct himself if it is just a stupid rumor? Is it so hard to read between the lines.. I’m not saying it’s gonna get down but when tsn starts talking about it it’s because they heard of it. There is such a thing as a loyality factor in this business, they just can’t go around repeating everything they hear, they would loose there creditbility…..Bob is smarter than that…. I don’t think it will happen but i’m most sure something will very soon….as for marleau…buddy r u serious…..

    season
    2005-2006 Sharks 82 34 52 86
    2006-2007 Sharks 77 32 46 78

    playoffs
    2005-2006 Sharks 11 9 5 14

    vs.
    2005-2006 Canadiens 72 17 45 62
    2006-2007 Canadiens 81 22 53 75

    Marleau is not happy and playing under Joe what do you expect…it’s an upgrade trust me…

  134. Smart Dog says:

    You said two things:

    1. Bob really means yes while he’s saying no.
    2. Marleau is way better than Koivu.

    Re. 1. So BOB APPARENTLY “out of loyalty” IS TRYING TO COVER HIS TRACKS:
    First, Bob says “doesn’t appear to make a whole lot of sense”. I don’t think he’d say that if he thought there was a chance it was about to happen. Do you? That would make him look pretty stupid. So give me a break. Or a bone.

    Re. 2. Marleau VS Koivu. Why would I keep Koivu when Marleau’s points are higher? Simple – Marleau’s had better line-mates, and has been on an offensive team. When Koivu goes someplace else with solid line-mates, my money says he’ll have a break-out offensive year. And he’s better in other ways. I know Koivu has been oddly only half in the games this year, but that’s rare. Most games prior to 07-08 he was our best player.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  135. Smart Dog says:

    Forgot this: Marleau is also getting 6.5 mil a year.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  136. JA says:

    I challenge anyone to compare the Habs coaching staff to the coaches from the top 10 teams in the league, come to your own conclusions as to how the Habs stack up.

    We have 4 coaches:

    Carboneau – rookie coach.
    Muller – rookie coach.
    Jarvis – has coaching experience with Dallas and Minessota.
    Melanson – years of experience developing goalies.

    Is it not obvious that Muller should be replaced with a coach that specialiazes in defense. Jacques Laperriere comes to mind among others.

    My question is why do we have only coaches who were defensive specialist’s as players, who is going to teach the players some offensive tacticts.

    Is it any wonder that we are now playing a dump and chase game and then wait for the power play to score a goal.

    Come on wake up guys.

  137. Chuck says:

    Your argument would only hold water if the team was spending close to the league minimum on salaries, which it isn’t.
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    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  138. Blitzen says:

    Go to Dwayn…I mean Eklund’s site. The guy has totally lost his mind:

    Marleau and Pavelski for Bégin, Halak and a top prospect.

    Why people pay for this shiot, I’ll never know. It’s good for a laugh though.

  139. saku11 says:

    Carbo doesn’t play his top 2 lines enough. Let Kovalev play 20-22 min per game. He’s at his best when he gets a lot of ice time. Pleks had a strong game too, they were making things happen. Also call up Sergei Kostitsyn already and let him play on one of the top two lines. The kid’s a natural scorer and Gainey himself said he was ready to be called up if needed. I think when you have 2 defensemen playing forward, one of them being on your top line, it shows that you lack depth at forward. If Gainey stepped back behind the bench, we would win more games, guaranteed.

  140. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    very true about the 2nd round Carolina..it all started there…with koivus eye being taken out…and until we seek retribution or have the bodies to prevent that, or should I say the presence on the ice, we will be doomed.

    Same with a few weeks ago against Toronto, A game we won but played our worst of the season…I saw the writing on the wall there as well.

    ———
    until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.

  141. Bouleau noir says:

    My feeling about our futur is weak.

    I am not sold on our organization, there are some good points in there,.. just to bad that there are as many bad points also.

    I also dont see anything exceptionnal coming from our scouting staffs,.. I also question our young players developpement.
    Kotsitsyn a feel should be a more developped player after spending 3 years in Hamilton.
    Garbovski has talent but is handicaped by not being solid on his skate,… this flaw should have been the focus of attention in Hamilton,.. it obviously was not.

    We also arbor a contradiction that is not solved.

    Gainey’s action in the summer is showing us the needs our team had and will always have until a hight scoring UFA will accepte an offer to come and play here.
    The problem is that no Shanahans and no Brieres will accept coming here unless their talents are to be used to the fullest….. if Carbo likes to use Lapierre and Kostopoulos in overtime and thats fine with Gainey…. then Gainey is shooting himselt in the foot.

    In that overall context I dont see us being a true contender before 4-5 years,.. if god willing.

  142. coutNY says:

    FYI.. The top prospect being Higgins or Komosarik… he’s still an idiot, but those are some players that might make you think twice about…

    It’s funny if you go over to the SJ sites, alot of the same attitude is expressed about speculation of the trade. Some are all for it!

  143. Hoegarden says:

    Just think how demoralized the forwards in Hamilton must be with Dandy on the 1st and Streit bouncing around 3rd and 4th line.
    Not a single one is good enough to fill in or try out for a few games. Why bust your rear-end in Hamilton if they won’t give you a chance ?

    Obviously Gainey is in agreement with Carbonneau’s strategy. I wish a logical explanation would be given so we can understand a bit more why they don’t want to use their best players at crucial times.
    Sad times in Habsland…..

  144. Vincent is possible says:

    Just remember fellow fans:

    They have to continue to lose if we want change. The last thing we want is a 3 game winning streak. If you want change or a trade the Habs have to continue to lose to teams they should beat.
    The players are tired of Carbonneau, the refs are tired of him, and the fans are too.
    As for Brisbois,I was at the Habs home opener this year and I chanted “BREEZBY” while everyone else gave him a standing ovation. Who expected anything more of him? He’s like the french Gomer Pyle for the Canadiens. But, Carbs is taking him seriously! Those guys deserve each other.

    Final thoughts:
    I say while you’re at it, bring back Stephan Richer and Mike McPhee out of retirement.

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    “WE WANT VINCE! WE WANT VINCE!”

  145. Smart Dog says:

    Good point. The silver lining in the Habs SUCKING is that change has to come. Hopefully that won’t be change like the Ribiero trade… or the Theodore trade… or the Roy trade… or….

    And Jay has a great point about the coaching staff. All these slick offensive players being taught how to dive in front of pucks with no-one to work on their shooting. I’ve never seen such bad shooting – these guys are so happy to get shot on net they just blast it at the goalie.

    Imagine reaching the NHL as a forward prospect with some real talent and having not a single coach that was interested in a bold offensive game.

    Gainey – get an OFFENSIVE minded coach in there OR TRADE ALL YOUR TALENTED GUYS AWAY AND WATCH THEM BLOOM ELSEWHERE!

    I swear I will quit this team if Gainey starts to trade our prospects for defensive-minded has-beens. I have a feeling it will happen.. just like I have the sinking feeling when we enter the third period with a lead.

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  146. Rocket Richard says:

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaohhahahahahaha

    :-))))))))))))))))))))))hahahahahaahhaha

    I needed this good laugh

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    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens
    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  147. saku11 says:

    Hey they actually called up Sergei Kotstitsyn. Sweet!!! Hopefully Carbo will stop the line juggling and place Sergei on Koivu’s wing. Maybe create a little sibbling rivalry to see who can put up more points.

  148. Sbah Reverof says:

    Just play hard for 60 minutes; that’s all we want. If you can do that, who knows, we might come away with a win. If we lose, at least it won’t feel like pouring lemon juice on a papercut. Again.

  149. Chuck says:

    Newsflash: you can score high on ANY goalie in the league. As a shooter, all it takes is hitting your spot. And due to his smaller size, Halak is more susceptible to the high shot that either Price or Huet.
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  150. linp says:

    To be fair, double shifting Kovy was a good move. Not playing Plekanec and Kovy in 4 on 3 was dumb.

    Koivu is playing as if he is absent minded. Never seen him missed a pass so badly while wide open.

    Now all other teams know that they can score high on Price. May be we should play Harak next game and see how he plays.

    All the folks who want to call up more youngsters from AHL, you’ll have to get used to more losses due to those critical mistakes.

  151. Smart Dog says:

    My other favorite – Roman Hambugerlick

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    My favorite player is Grabarfski!

  152. krob1000 says:

    O.K. I am going to start by admitting I only saw bits and pieces of lasts night’s game as we had to put our cat down and I had a very, very distraught seven year old and wife.

    From what I did see though we got a lot of the same old same old as far as 5 on 5 goes. We cannot have two defensemen playing as forwards and expect to muster any type of offensive attack. I can handle Dandy or Streit but not both (either is a capable third or fourth liner)…..no more please. we have to either make a deal for a scorer or bring up Locke and/or Kostitsyn. We need offense in a bad way and I can live with the growing pains if they can at least score.

    I am frustrated……

    Why we cannot revert back to an attacking game that clearly worked at the beginning of the season is beyond me. Why we cannot at least try inserting another offensive player or two and giving the lines a real shakeup I do not know.

    For the first large chunk of the season I thought Carbo was doing a fantastic job and to some extent I stil do as he has players playing responsibly but the leash needs to lengthened and the defense (both) playing forward have to go. We are not a defensive juggernaut and it is obvious to everyone that our problem through this slide has not been the surrendering of goals. We cannot criticize our forwards any longer as it is becoming more and more apparent every game that they are hogtied. They are also taking ridiculous shots from angles that are awful and to top it off they are firing them waist high where the chance of an NHL goalie giving up a rebound is next to nil.

    Given our current situation with regards to injuries I think it is the perfect opportunity to cut the ice time from the depth lines and play your star players more. I am not saying this as a result of Tampa’s overplaying of their stars (they do overplay them). I have said all along that our forwards need to be given a chance to succeed. Call up a one way mule like Kostitsyn from the farm or even Locke and have Carbo wear a muzzle for a game or two and see what happens. I think Guy is making a lot of our players better all around players but the effect it is having on our teams offensive output is not a positive one.

    I still the silver lining in all of this and I think that we are headed in the right direction as an organization but I am growing concerned about the direction of our team. You cannot win if you do not score. I still am confident that when all is said and done this year we will be in fourth to seventh place in the conference but Guy has got to stop playing his shutdown role from behind the bench. We will be making a deal sooner than later.

    Carbo I am pleading with you to really shake things up and just try Kovy,Ryder and Koivu and reunite last years great line of Pleks-Higgy-Kostitsyn. Or better yet call up a couple of offensive players from Hamilton and try a three scoring line approach. It worked against Nashville until we had a combination of bad luck(seeing eye point shot), unfortunate error(Huet), and blatant non-call(Hamrlik tripped before Bonk scored). That game was entertaining to say the least and although it left me feeling ill due to the outcome I thoroughly enjoyed the first 50 minutes and would have regardless of the score. That game was fun.

    I am sure something is going to give….it has to. …..doesn’t it???

  153. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Great post! I agree with many of your ideas!

  154. Habs-Fan-In-KY says:

    Great post! I agree with many of your ideas!

  155. belair57 says:

    With five minutes to go in the game The Habs tie the game. Momentum on our side. Right?
    What does Carbo do, instead of attacking with top line players against a team that has played 3 games in 4 nights and almost out of gas, he goes with the checking and energy lines. Proves my point that he is playing not to loose instead of playing to win.
    O’Bryn makes a mistake, and he is practically benched the rest of the game and only plays couple of shifts. I thought the youth of this team can only learn by playing and making mistakes. I am sorry but Carbo does not know how to teach yougsters, or even how to deal with veterans.
    The top scorer on the team is Kovalev. Like him or not. Why was he not a part of the shootout?. Kostitsyn? Plekanec? I do not have anything against these two but please COME ON!
    I have said it before and I will say it again. IT IS ALL COACHING, COACHING, AND MORE COACHING. P E R I O D.
    He has completely lost the bench and something has to be done before it gets any worse.
    Thank-you

  156. HAB-PROFESSOR says:

    exactly what I said a few lines below…

    – Kovalev should have been in the shootout = coaching mistake.
    – Energy line should not have been on the ice for the last minute = coaching mistake
    – Top 2 lines should have 90% of the ice time = coaching mistake
    – We cannot have 2 defenseman as forwards = coaching mistake

    experiments should be over by this point in the season.
    WE SHOULD NOT BE A CONSISTENT EXPERIMENT.

    ———
    until the problem in my picture is solved…we will not be Champions.

  157. joel says:

    Belair 57 said “Proves my point that he is playing not to loose instead of playing to win”

    I agree 100% !!!!! this team is playing scared right now.. you cannot win if you are afraid to lose !!!! also think that Carbo has lost the room, so now Bob G has another decision to make

  158. 24 Cups says:

    I usually feel better about a problem after having a night to sleep on it. The next day my spirits are brighter and I have a clearer understanding of what the solutions to the problem might me. Alas, that is not true today. Sometimes games just aren’t about two points. As has been stated before, we lost on home ice to a bottom feeder team, that can’t win on the road, is basically a one line hockey team with no goaltending(how’s that for a run on sentence). Carbo made some coaching errors but our core players really let us down (hello Jean Beliveau). I guess the question of the day is are we just in a a bad slump, do we need a coaching change, or heaven forbid is this team’s talent base vastly overrated and in need of a total overall and dismantling. There’s so much more I could say but it’s probably best left to another day. I really feel down about my team and it’s future.

    The Original 24 Cups

  159. HNS says:

    Being a Habs fan is turning out to be like being a New York Jets fan. Sometimes things look promising but you can bet the wheels are gonna fall off eventually. 15 years of this crap is enough. FIRE EVERYBODY!!!

  160. Ian Cobb says:

    Check my post on Boone’s thread about stats. Tells a story!

  161. Corio says:

    I have to say I was majorly surprised when I saw LaPierre out there in overtime with Kostopulos and they were facing off against Lecavalier and St. Louis, I mean come on Carbo!

  162. Bouleau noir says:

    Those scared and demoralising coaching tactics are in line with the anti-hockey attitude of our organization,… why should the Shanahans and the Brieres joined their destinys to ours under such condition ? they simply dont,… and as long as our present beige and boring hockey philosophy prevails none should ever be expecteded to do it in the futur.

  163. 24 Cups says:

    Thanks C12 – now I really feel like hell!! You know I give my Leaf buddies a pretty hard time throughout the year. Something tells me that I might have to eat my words on Saturday night. Just a bad omen after last night’s game. I’m off to a big Christmas party on Saturday so it may ease the pain. I’ll be sure to tell everyone that I chat with Captain Cournoyer on a regular basis:-)

    The Original 24 Cups

  164. Ian Cobb says:

    Hay Roadrunner, you probably think if you got hit by a car, the car lost!

  165. The Cat says:

    Man you people really agonize over this? Ive said it and resaid it: the habs wont get that much better this year unless theres a pretty decent injection of size. You can juggle all the lines you want, the fact remains the habs were living on their powerplay success. A good PP can maybe get you a goal per game, but at the beginning it was like 2 or 3 per game, of course we knew that couldnt last. But despite that, the future does look bright, we have some great younsters.

  166. belair57 says:

    AGREED 100%.

  167. habsnyc says:

    the stats say montreal is 14th in offense per game, but fourth in shots taken and the bottom 10 in shooting percentage. they are taking too many low percentage shots from the perimeter. they need to crash the net. koivu and higgins need a body to go to the net. this is easily fixable via trade or call-up from the minors.

    structurally the problem with the team is they spend too much of the game without the puck. they are unable to dictate tempo. they lose too many faceoffs and are too often outshot. the team just gets too tired from having to chase the opposition all night. that part i can’t fix so easily.

  168. Gilles Poisson says:

    All in all, a hard earned point for Les Boys against a superieur team. Ryder was working his butt off out there, really working hard…ok I can’t do this anymore. We suck. I guarantee we will suck next game too. Thank you.

  169. Habby67 says:

    This just keeps getting worse and worse. We cannot beat anyone and Carbo looks lost. Something has to happen very soon or else this could turn into last season really quickly…

  170. AdamG says:

    folks, i think i’m going to cry myself to sleep. i’ve only been at this 25 years, but i’m starting to get tired of the lack of progress within this organization. i’ll never stop supporting this team, but i’m beyond disappointed with it from top to bottom.

    it’ll be interesting to see in the next few days if anyone but the fans cares about what’s going on here…

  171. AdamG says:

    dude…it was sarcasm. and they are better than us. they outplayed us on our own ice.

  172. Gilles Poisson says:

    d00d Im totally serious man. I dont care what place they’re in knowImsayn? Got their asses handed to em by TO? Thats wack yo. See you Saturday when it happens to your team. Gotta dip now yo. Peace.

  173. Pat8987 says:

    Kovalev not in the shootout?….I understand Koivu has a better track record but go with who is hot…..Kovalev, Pleks and in this situation i would even be willing to give confidence in a Lapiere, Lats, Kost, Dandy (they would feel like a million bucks.) and prob preform.. Besides if i guy like Kost gets the winner in Shootout, the team will fly on the ice showing they care for eachother. (stop kicking Koivu when he is down, let him get out of the slump by playing hard not by increasing pressure on him to preform in the shootout.. another amature mistake by Carbo..

  174. ccs says:

    na na na hey hey hey goodbye GUY…..Well mabey not yet but after the flyers and leafs spank us silly we will have a new coach……But who could do the job??? How about Bob…Im sure he could handle it because what does he actually do as GM??????

  175. T-roy West says:

    I feel everyones pain! I wonder if it would make a difference who we got in a trade considering the system we play. What a minute, I don’t think we have a system, do we?

  176. Barts says:

    “7 seasons as captain

    5 head coaches

    3 fired

    4 times out of the playoffs

    To say that all of this is Koivu’s fault would be quite ridiculous.But when we keep hearing about lack of leadership and the team plays with no emotion night after night and does not respond to line changes and call-ups, something has got to give.

    The Captain needs to go.”

    That Denis Casavant is a pretty smart guy.

  177. saku11 says:

    How many times has Jokinen carried his team to the playoffs? Is it his lack of leadership skills or the fact that Florida has been a pretty crappy team in recent years? Koivu is a guy that works hard every night and battles for every puck, he’s done more on and off the ice than any Hab in the last 7 years. The guy doesn’t score for 18 games and suddenly he’s the reason why we haven’t won the cup. The reason we haven’t won the cup since 93 is because we traded Roy for a bag of pucks and Rejean Houle destroyed the remainder of the team through crappy trades and even crappier draft picks. The fact that our draft picks are actually playing for us is a huge improvement over Houle. Say what you want about Gainey, but most qualified hockey analysts recognize that we have a lot of good prospects coming through the system. Anyways, that’s my rant.

  178. saku11 says:

    Good game by Price, stopping 29 of 31 and 13 shots in the 3rd to let the boys rally back. At least we showed some fight in this one. Higgins was unlucky tonight, he fanned on a couple of shots. Koivu will break out of his slump, he’s still creating chances offensively for himself (5 shots) and others, not to mention he was 16/21 in the faceoff circle. Anyone who bashes Koivu has a very selective memory.

  179. mjames says:

    First all we were on the short end of some very unlucky bounces. For example Tenders rush, Higgins’ post and abortive breakaway, and there were a few other chances which we missed. We are playing very tight.

    Having said that I think the team is in disarray. What is particularly disheartening is our treatment of O’Byrne. The kid made a mistake. Point it out to him and send back out. We are not building any confidence by benching him. It is a negative move for the entire team. Someone please explain to Carbo how to motivate people. O’Byrne needs to play the next game to get some confidence back.

    As an aside I hope someone is teaching Garbowski to play like St Louis. They are both the same size. Do not give up on Grabs – remember St Louis was not drafted and was cut by Calgary. The same thing happened to Briere and Savard of Boston. All were cut early in their careers. Grabs needs a little confidence. He needs to be taught to play a puck possession game.

    This is just getting awful. I feel bad for Carbo but he continues to shoot himself in the foot.

    mjames

  180. G-Man says:

    So, like Dandy has a hat trick and Koivu’s line isn’t really the 3rd line?
    Gilbert

  181. Hockey11 says:

    Player G PP EV
    Kovalev 12 – 8 = 4
    higgins 12 – 5 = 7
    Pleks 9 – 4 = 5
    Latter 7 – 1 = 6
    Markov 6 – 4 = 2
    Koivu 5 – 4 = 1
    Dandy 4 – 0 = 4

    Dandy 7th on the team in goals with no PP time, 4th in even strength goals. Why not first line?

    Koivu, one EV strngth goal, pathetic. Kovy, tied with Dandy at even strength, which player is working harder?

  182. belair57 says:

    Tampa should be fuming after last nights loss.
    Habs have two defencemen in a forward position.
    Brisbye-bye is still in the line-up.
    Carbo is still behind the bench and will definitely mix up the lines like usual and continue to yap at the refs.
    Defensive system that is suppose to be in place, (in my opinion) is to play not to loose instead of playing to win.

    I do not have a good feeling about tonights game.
    I hope I am wrong. Have a great game everyone.

    Thanx

  183. mysterycog says:

    WOW this is some seriously self-defeating oh woe is me stuff goin on here..Montrealers we love to whine…Me I am gonna stay positive.. GO HABS GO!!! negativity is not going to change a thing. Tonight the turn around begins!

  184. Vincent is possible says:

    NO CURSES ON VINCE. ONLY CHANTS TONIGHT

    “WE WANT VINCE! WE WANT VINCE!”

  185. Hockey11 says:

    Player G PP EV
    Kovalev 12 – 8 = 4
    higgins 12 – 5 = 7
    Pleks 9 – 4 = 5
    Latter 7 – 1 = 6
    Markov 6 – 4 = 2
    Koivu 5 – 4 = 1
    Dandy 4 – 0 = 4

    Dandy 7th on the team in goals with no PP time, 4th in even strength goals. Why not first line?

    Koivu, one EV strngth goal, pathetic. Kovy, tied with Dandy at even strength, which player is working harder?

  186. Smart Dog says:

    Very good point. Smart human!

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  187. Smart Dog says:

    Habs!

    Win tonight or I’ll change my picture back!!

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