Full 82-game NHL season looks unlikely; Islanders moving to Brooklyn

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Thursday is the deadline NHL commissioner Gary Bettman set for a new collective bargaining agreement to be reached in order to save a full 82-game schedule that would start on Nov. 2.

But on Wednesday, a full season was looking very unlikely with no new bargaining sessions scheduled.

The Canadian Press reported that an invitation from the NHL Players’ Association to reopen talks “without preconditions” Wednesday was quickly denied by the NHL.  

The league saw little value in sitting down together if neither side was prepared to offer something new.

 “They have indicated a willingness to meet, but they also told us they had very little interest in the proposal we tabled last Tuesday,” deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Canadian Press. “(They) also said they weren’t making a new proposal. What would we be meeting about?”

You can read more by clicking here.

There was other big news in the NHL Wednesday as the New York Islanders announced they will be moving to Brooklyn’s Barclay Center, starting with the 2015-16 season.

“Hello Brooklyn!” Islanders owner Charles Wang said as he made the announcement at a news conference Wednesday, adding the lease agreement is for 25 years. You can read more by clicking here.

The NBA’s New Jersey Nets have also moved to Barclay Center and have become the Brooklyn Nets. A courtside ticket to their home opener on Nov. 1 against the New York Knicks costs a whopping $8,100. To put that in perspective, the top ticket for the Canadiens this season – if the lockout ever ends – costs $418 for a seat in the Platinum section for an “Optimum” game. Read more about the Nets tickets by clicking here.

Meanwhile, the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs saw their record fall to 2-2 with a 3-1 road loss to the Rochester Americans on Tuesday night. Michael Bournival scored the lone Bulldogs goal and Peter Delmas stopped 29 shots. The Bulldogs could not score on their two power plays.

The Bulldogs are back in action Friday in Hamilton against the Toronto Marlies in a 7:30 p.m. start. All Bulldogs games during the month of October will be broadcast on Montreal’s TSN Radio 690. Fans can also listen to and watch all ‘Dogs games online at hamiltonbulldogs.com.

The Bulldogs will be without Louis Leblanc and goaltender Cedrick Desjardins, who are both injured. Leblanc, who was the Canadiens’ first-round draft pick in 2009, scored two goals in a 4-1 win over Toronto last Friday but suffered an ankle injury the following night in Toronto.  There’s no timetable on his return, but Bulldogs coach Sylvain Lefebvre told The Gazette’s Pat Hickey he’ll need a couple of weeks to get back up to speed. 

Hickey will be in Hamilton this weekend for Friday’s game and Sunday’s game against Abbotsford. Hickey will also have a story on Hamilton coach Sylvain Lefebvre in Thursday’s Hockey Inside/Out section of The Gazette (and on HIO) and another one on forward Darryl Boyce, a 28-year-old free-agent signing who knows he’s not a superstar but believes there’s a place for him in the NHL..

“The main thing Darryl brings to the team is leadership,” Lefebvre told Hickey. “We’ve been using him on a line with Michael Blunden and Louis Leblanc and now that Leblanc is hurt, we’ve moved (Joonas) Nittinen in there. Boyce brings some intangibles. He plays with some grit and he provides a good example for our younger players.”

You can see an example of his grit in the video below.

Thursday’s HIO section will also have a feature by Brenda Branswell on the new movie The Last Gladiators, focusing on the life of former Canadiens enforcer Chris Nilan, and a Dave Stubbs feature on former Boston Bruin Derek Sanderson, who was in town this week promoting his new autobiography, Crossing The Line: The Outrageous Story of a Hockey Original . Hickey will also have a review of a new book about former Canadiens coach Pat Burns titled Coach: The Pat Burns Story.

You can read sports editor Stu Cowan’s column on another new book about the Canadiens’ last Stanley Cup season titled A Season in Time: Super Super Mario, Killer, St. Patrick, the Great One, and the Unforgettable 1992-93 NHL Season, by clicking here.

(Photo by Chris Young/Canadian Press)

169 Comments

  1. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …if MLB can find a way to return the Dodgers back to Brooklyn, all things will be made right again in this World :)

    …I grew up an adoring fan of da Bums from Brooklyn …but I also loved the Yankees of the Mantle, Maris, Ford, Berra, Stengal era …that is until they may meet in the World Series, then I would cheer for the Dodgers (which, unfortunately, was not often enough)

    …it will be fun having a Brooklyn team in both the NHL and NBA

  2. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …remember my tag ” Bring Back Boone, and send Hickey to Hamilton !!! ” ? … Haha, good to know One is not screaming into a vacuum …thank You Stu Cowan :)

    …now, try getting Capt. Boone sobered up, and get Him back on-board the Good Ship HIO :)

  3. HardHabits says:

    Meanwhile Phoenix stays put. Friggin’ geniuses.

  4. Bobby Smith says:

    The Islanders moving…. what took them so long? For more than 20 years this has been the worst managed team in hockey (and I don’t mean just pro hockey)…hopefully somebody will buy the team prior to the move and at least try to make them competitive.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I heard a suggestion that perhaps Wang would eventually sell to the Nets owner Prokerov (sp?). Personally don’t see that happening but it’s an interesting idea.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  5. HabinBurlington says:

    Sticking with my baseball theme tonight, here is an article about our old friend Jeffrey Loria and how he is running the Marlins. Looks good on him.

    http://read.thestar.com/#!/article/50885e597b1eac4b700018a1

  6. HabsFanMTL says:

    you’d think with the way the talks are going, the NHL has been losing money over the past few years but they’ve made a record 3.billion in profit……..i mean wtf??……..can’t they damm well slice up the pie ?……..how in the hell have the owners not been making money??……

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    Wow talk about an uncharateristic Verlander outing for the Tigers tonight. As a person cheering for the Tiggies, I was afraid this may happen.

    San Fran is on a roll and beating Verlander in Game 1 is almost like winning the first 2 games of the series. Of course lost in all this is the fact the Tigers bats are useless tonight.

    Oh by the way sorry to WJC, yah I do love sports, my deepest apologies I am not reading a book tonight to your chagrin. Let me know when you are done with the Biography of Napolean you have memorized. :) Cheers little buddy.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      I didn’t know anyone followed baseball anymore. Seriously though I get the feeling that the owners aren’t negotiating in good faith and that the players should take some form of legal action. Bettman is a slimy little weasel and will sacrifice another season to get a good deal for the owners, Might as well cancel the season I don’t see a resolution to this mess anytime soon.

  8. ont fan says:

    Haven’t been here lately….heard today a significant amount of journeyman and veteran players are very unhappy. They want to play and are afraid they won’t have a job if they don’t play this year. Last lockout 20% lost their NHL jobs.

  9. doogie says:

    I’m saddened by how badly Bettman has conducted himself on behalf of the owners during this lockout. Too bad that he feels that he and his buddies are “bigger than the game”.

    The game deserves better representation. The owners should look in the mirror and ask themselves how proud they are to be owners of NHL teams at this point in time. What ever happened to “growing the game” of hockey? Nobody associated with this screw up gives a damn about the state of the game. I’m deeply saddened.

  10. smiler2729 says:

    Hey NHL, I don’t CARe

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    Jack Edwards is a clam.
    Gary Bettman is a bobblehead.

  11. frontenac1 says:

    So The Wang is moving the Islanders to Flatbush and Bettman does his arse kissing photo-op when he should be meeting with the union? Are you friggin kidding ? Jesus, how much more of this cheapjack bullsh*t are we expected to take from this stupid little gunsel?

  12. Phil C says:

    The following statement is from the TSN article on the league’s last offer:
    ” Using an assumed year-over-year growth rate of 5% for League-wide revenues, the new CBA could result in shortfalls from the current level of Players’ Share dollars ($1.883 Billion in 2011/12) of up to $149 million in Year 1 and up to $62 million in Year 2, for which Players will be “made whole.” (By Year 3 of the new CBA, Players’ Share dollars should exceed the current level ($1.883 Billion for 2011/12) and no “make whole” will be required.)”

    So really, this whole dispute has come down to $149M in the first year, and $62M in the 2nd year. That’s it. Divided between 30 billionaires or between 700 millionaires. Over a 6 year deal which they conservatively project to generate $22.4 BILLION in revenues. O-M-F-G!!!

    Put another way, they may throw away an entire season which represents 14% of a 6 year deal trying to save 1% of the value, while inflicting irreparable damage to their business and brand. Meanwhile, the average NHLer is lucky to play 240 games, so they may throw away 25% of their entire career trying to save 1% of their salary. IT IS INSANITY.

    They need to get in a room and split the difference, shake hands, hug it out, maybe cry a little, then get back to what they are good at, which is the business of hockey, because they all seriously suck as negotiators.

    • SmartDog says:

      I nominate you for arbitrator.

      I perhaps foolishly believe this could still happen – tomorrow.

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      • Phil C says:

        I would have to go to anger management class first. Maybe you could go chew on their leg and bark a lot. ;)

        I believe it was in Elliot Friedman’s article that said the latest possible date for 82 games, a full playoffs, and finish before 30 Jun is Nov 10, so maybe they have another week. But I’m with you, I believe they will settle soon.

    • Blondie says:

      Excellent rant! Two thumbs up.

    • JF says:

      Renaud Lavoie thinks it was a tactical decision of the NHL not to meet the PA today. Last week they dangled a carrot in the form of a full season; when the players didn’t bite, the carrot was withdrawn. Hopes were raised, then dashed; more pressure was created. Lavoie thinks there will almost certainly be talks in the next few days, by Tuesday at the latest.

    • HardHabits says:

      Can anybody name another industry where a group of employees gets to bargain collectively and then afterwards each employee gets to negotiate one by one an individual contract?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Phil you make good points as usual, however, I believe the Ego of each leader/side has taken over. Neither wants to appear to “lose” this negotiation. Afterall Gary supposedly won the last one, but evidently won only the battle but lost the war. He appears to now be more like George Bush Jr cleaning up for pops, except he represents father and son. Fehr is not much better in my opinion.

      As you say, stick ‘em in a room and make them settle it.

    • sports_dude says:

      Hey dudes & dudettes, have you been watching the US political race? Pretty stupid, agree? Hmmmmm, kind of the same with the NHL process? The more “smart” and “wealthy” people get greedy and powerful, the more destructive the process or the result becomes. Revenue growth for the NHL in the years to come? Negative, me thinks.

  13. Propwash says:

    Just saw Bettman on the podium announcing the move for the Islanders, and I inadvertently blurted out ***HOLE!!!!

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    • Chuck says:

      Good to see that Gary had bigger priorities than negotiating a new CBA.

      By the way, the sight lines for hockey in that new arena suck. 1/3 of the seats will be obstructed view.

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      • commandant says:

        Its not like the NHLPA wanted to meet today and discuss things.

        Gary thought he was gonna meet Jay-Z though, so he didn’t want to blow off meeting a famous rapper to meet with Fehr.

        Go Habs Go!
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        • HabFab says:

          ”They have indicated a willingness to meet, but they also told us they had very little interest in the proposal we tabled last Tuesday,” deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Canadian Press. “(They) also said they weren’t making a new proposal. What would we be meeting about?”

          Couldn’t resist…

          • Ron says:

            Sometime only partial sections of quotes are put up for best effect to push ones interest one way eh. lol

          • HabFab says:

            From all sides mon ami.

          • commandant says:

            I answered this quote to Bripro further down.

            If you are less than 48 hours away from saying an 82 game season is no longer possible and the other side says.

            “You know Gary and Bill, we don’t have a new proposal, but we’d like to sit down, discuss some things, see if we can compromise or find common ground here.”

            I’d probably be at least willing to sit in the room and hear what the NHLPA had to say.

            Go Habs Go!
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          • HabFab says:

            Dude, I would lock the two sides in a room until they reached an agreement. I’m just yinging your yang :)

          • Ron says:

            Were all touchy these days. Be glad when this crap is over one way or the other.

          • HabFab says:

            I was thinking of offering to meet all those that disagree with me over behind the previous thread…just saying ;)

    • wjc says:

      Why? Do you think Bettman operates in a vacuum? Do you think he is standing alone?

      Do you think the owners are saying/thinking what is Bettman doing?

      Do you think Bettman is not being supported?

      The business of hockey is 30 owners under one roof. 30 owners that live by the rules of the NHL business. The businessmen support each other including Molson.

      Molson is in a hockey mad market and cannot lose, he is allowed to make many millions off the franchise and support the have not teams because that is how it is set up. He gets his share of the take at the end of the season along with the rest of the teams over and above profits.

      wjc

    • SmartDog says:

      I guess that’s where this line comes from “Is that Gary Bettman or are you suffering from Turrets?”

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  14. HabFab says:

    Not sure if it has been mentioned here today but John Davidson has been hired as the new President of the Blue Jackets.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Yuppers. We are so starved for any real hockey news we pounce on stuff here. :)
      Good hockey man. A good hire for Columbus.
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  15. HabFab says:

    Top NHL scorers in the European Leagues. As for number one?;
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=2364

    • Bripro says:

      And Plek seems to be doing well against a pretty talented lineup.

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      “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  16. Timo says:

    Sid’s face on that picture reads “Shit, multiplication tables… focus Sid! Try to remember your multiplication tables”

  17. Timo says:

    I gotta say that TSN’s top 5 Eric Lindros moments are just pathetic. Seriously, THESE were his top moments?

  18. piper says:

    Contraction is IMO the only way to fix the NHL.
    Go back to around 20 teams or however many teams that are actually making money. Only the strong survive.
    Remove the salary cap and have a draft to see who gets the players from the folding teams.
    Now that would make for a hell of a lot better league, at least from this fans point of view.
    Only trouble is the Leafs would likely win the cup more than the Habs.

    • shiram says:

      The league has an agreement with NBC, and that agreement will be broken if there is less than 21 NHL teams in the United States.
      There are 23 right now, and Seatle, Markham and Québec are all vying for a team.
      I agree that some contraction would possible help, but it’s not happening, I think they might even expand.

    • wjc says:

      Piper, NHL does not need fixing. Just say 3.3 billion dollars…..now slowly, so it sinks in 3.3 billion dollars……that is 3000 stacks of one million dollar piles…plus another 300 stacks of 1 million dollar piles.

      Now before you move on, really think about that much money. Have you ever tried counting 1 million of anything……have you ever done it 3 million 300 times.

      Nobody is going back to 20 teams…players don’t want to for obvious reasons….owners do not want to for obvious reasons.

      Columbus just hired John Davidson, probably for 5 years….looks like they are thinking of the future.

      If the NHL wants to prop up Phoenix out of petty cash, they can and will, if they think that is where the future lies.

      Believe me Montreal, Toronto etc. are not hurting.

      How many lifetimes would some of the players have to have to spend all the money they have made up until now.

      How would you spend millions and millions and millions of dollars?
      Many of the players, with proper financial advice will be set for life and another life if that were possible.

      Who is right?…..Who is wrong?…. is anybody wrong?…..is anybody right? Damned if I know. I just read the hyperbole and drama like everyone else and the right and left spins on everything.

      Lucky I don’t take any of this serious. And by the way the fans are not suffering…..they get to save money in spite of themselves.

      Go watch a soap opera if you want made up drama!!!! chow

      wjc

  19. Bripro says:

    The new Islanders crest?

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    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • shiram says:

      They were all fans before the team got popular, of course.
      also every player will wear a scarf.

      • Bripro says:

        One things for sure. When hockey starts up again, N.Y. will be the place to be, if you want to see one of three teams.

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        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  20. Bripro says:

    The more things change, the more they remain the same! It’s from last week, but still applies.

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    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

  21. mksness says:

    man if i were the players i would sign a 50-50 deal for one year and they stick it to the owners and go on strike once the playoffs start.

    That’s the only way to really hurt the owners since they’ll lose big money( although salaries being tied into revenue will hurt the players too..)

    But ya players, it’s a sucky deal but man, even at a 10% role back, i sure as hell wouldn’t want to lose a 100% for 10%…

  22. geo_habsgo says:

    Yeah sorry for not posting the link for you to read up on, Kooch. Glad you found it anyway. It definitely sucks for us as Habs fans this season. There was a lot of reason for fan and team optimism alike with all the changes to the team. We would have enjoyed a nice little honeymoon period before the team came back to reality.

    No silver lining since the draft will be good for us but not exceptional. On the bright side, the next time we watch the Habs, Galchenyuk might be a member of the team full time.

  23. HardHabits says:

    Looks like the NHL season is going to TANK™

    • The Dude says:

      I have no problems with no season cause I watch the Habs and in one year the line-up will have more prospects”I hate our present D” ,our back-up Goalie and Players like Armstrong and Gomez who bring NADA! Let all the bad ,overpriced contracts for small and over the hill KHL players disappear and COME BACK WITH A REAL POWER HOUSE HABS TEAM THAT SETS NEW HIGHS….not new lows!And the coach should be Roy!!!

      • SmartDog says:

        Sad to say but our D may not be much different in a year. Two years yeah, but I wouldn’t count on more than 1 or 2 graduates from our Hamilton D corp in 2013-14.

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  24. shiram says:

    Islanders Brooklyn tickets will range from 15$ to 156$

    What a mess that place looks to be. I wonder how many seats would be left without those gray “limited view” seats.

    • Renzo says:

      That seating chart is wack! No seats in basically one end of the arena?

    • Ron says:

      I believe its a brand new arena opened this year that was built for basketball as the primary tenant. Doug MacLean talked about it on Hockey Central at Noon today and said it was by far a solid and much more fan friendly arena with all the whistles compared to the hole they played out of in Nassua.

      Edit: The $15 tic must be in the grey zone.

      • shiram says:

        They are, in the limited view area.

        • Ron says:

          If I were in that part of the country I’d gladly pay $15 to see a game, poor viewing or not. Wonder what it cost at the Bell Centre for obstruction view seats in the nose bleed section ?

          • shiram says:

            I don’t know about limited view seats at the Bell Center, but the cheapest tickets are about 40$ when you factor in all the charges and taxes, I figure the final cost for those Islanders tickets to be higher also.

  25. SmartDog says:

    THIS STILL F-N KILLS ME!!!
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    The Canadian Press reported that an invitation from the NHL Players’ Association to reopen talks “without preconditions” Wednesday was quickly denied by the NHL.

    The league saw little value in sitting down together if neither side was prepared to offer something new. ”They have indicated a willingness to meet, but… they also said they weren’t making a new proposal. What would we be meeting about?”
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    GEE I DUNNO. WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD THEY WANT TO MEET ABOUT??

    So Daly and Bettman have something more important to do with their time than to talk to the other side and see what they have to say? Ridiculous.

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    • frontenac1 says:

      Bettman ?Doesn’t surprise me at all Smartdog. What does surprise me is some posters still support these pr*cks.

      • Bripro says:

        Right now, I don’t support either side.
        The players are open to discussion more to salvage the season,
        from what I can make of all of this. It’s certainly not to give up their current contracts.
        The league? I haven’t got a clue how those people think.
        The whole thing is one big disappointment, and a PR disaster.
        I’d love the be a fly in NBC Sports’ hockey writers offices.

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        “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

        • SmartDog says:

          I’ve said it before (probably to you :) ) and I’ll say it again: both sides are complicit, but Bettman and co have TWO things that make them the jerks in this situation:
          1) The league rhetoric is just terrible. Could they possibly show less respect to the players and the fans. Each response is worse than the one before… I really can’t believe it.
          2) It’s the owners who want the players to give up more than they did last time (in part to prop up useless franchises) and the players have said YES, they will… agreeing to shift to 50-50 is a big step for the players to take. So the league needs to respect that and work harder to find a balanced solution the contracts the owners signed.

          The players have given up a lot of ground. For the league to refuse a meeting at all is both symptomatic and endemic of the league’s arrogant and factious view of the league-player relationship. The league has done as much to seed dissent as they possible could.

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      • SmartDog says:

        It is amazing. It bothers me that so many people say “both sides are bad”. To me the players union has been more up front, has worked to keep a dialogue going, has not done anything dirty or unfairly criticized the NHL, and they’ve given up more ground. If the NHL was as reasonable as the NHLPA have been, we’d bee seeing hockey now.

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    • wjc says:

      Smartdog….for a smartdog you sure disappoint me. Stop taking sides, you do not know as much as you try to let on you know.

      wjc

  26. Mattyleg says:

    Mackenzie was saying this morning on TSN that it’s pretty sad that the players and owners are fighting over profit-sharing as the league’s profits are sure to be drastically reduced by the process of deciding how to share them.

    It’s like passengers and crew on board a sinking boat trying to decide who gets to stand where instead of patching the hole. By the time they’ve figured it out, the whole boat’s underwater.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  27. geo_habsgo says:

    The NHLPA should have hired Ken Dryden to handle negotiations.

  28. commandant says:

    For those who missed it in the last thread…. I made us Reservations at Gown & Gavel for 10:30pm on Friday after the Bulldogs game. Reservation under “ben”

    @Habfan10912
    Yes, I’m still going Sunday.

    @HabinBurlington
    Let me know, as soon as you do, if the meeting the players thing will happen, as I’ll push our reservations at Gown and Gavel back an hour to accommodate that and we don’t lose our table when we are late.

    Go Habs Go!
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  29. Kooch7800 says:

    I don’t know about you guys but I am sick and tired of hearing about this lockout. It would be better if they just stopped covering it in the news. It isn’t getting press in the states like it is here.

  30. byrneoNL says:

    I preferred it when I could hate on/blame the owners outright, but the reality is both sides are so focused on greed that it’s just disgusting. 90% of the people representing both sides are multi millionaires. Some maybe billionaires, I don’t know. The money they all make is astronomical anyways. That just puts it in perspective to me. Both sides so rich and greedy that they simply don’t care enough about settling this quickly. It’s about extracting as much pie as possible out of the next 6 years of hockey revenue, and little else. Neither side wants to be the “loser” so instead, they make all the fans the losers. Someone needs to start a #killingthegame campaign on twitter. My resentment for this league has reached an all time high, and I fully blame both sides. I resent their total lack of respect for the fans.

    You don’t grow the game by cancelling the $&^#$ing league do ya Gary? Donald? You both ought to be ashamed anyways. The NHL is a joke and you two idiots are to blame. It’s ridiculous and really, verysad. Saddest of all, the joke is on us.

    • JF says:

      Good post. Another thing that bothers me is that nowhere in these so-called negotiations do we find a word about making the game safer, about appropriate punishment for head shots, blindside hits, etc., about laughably incompetent officiating. Yet everyone saw these as major concerns only last season. It’s all about money.

  31. Bripro says:

    I’m trying to understand the motives on both sides of the table.
    The NHL’s proposal wasn’t good enough for Fehr and company, and the NHLPA’s three proposals weren’t good enough for the NHL.
    But at least there were offers. And then? Nothing.
    They just sit back, rope-a-dope, waiting for the other side to give in.
    What is it with the sports and entertainment business that nothing can get settled without controversy?
    They should all be politicians.
    Speaking of which, I wonder what the odds would be of having both federal governments legislate them all back to work.
    For the good of the surrounding businesses, or their respective economies, and for the fans.
    I swear, if there was a way to round up all the fans and turn the league and the players on their heads, give me a seat at the front table. I’ll make certain there’s never another lock-out!

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    “I’m here to tell you: Gary Bettman hasn’t felt this alive since he killed Harry Potter’s parents.”

    • commandant says:

      Teh NHLPA asked to have further meetings. The NHL has refused.

      Go Habs Go!
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      • Bripro says:

        Right. According to Daly, what’s the use of a sit-down if there’s nothing to discuss.
        So that means what? Everyone waits for the other to make the first move?

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        • commandant says:

          I don’t know about you Brian.

          But if I was really committed to saving the full 82 game season, and the other side said to me “we don’t have a new formal offer after our last one, but you know what, lets meet for a few hours and see if there is any common ground we can work towards by talking together”… and I was only 36 hours away from cancelling my 82 game season. I’d probably sit down and have a chat.

          I mean sure Bettman wants to get in front of the press in Brooklyn, but he could probably put that off.

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          • Bripro says:

            Absolutely! You’re bang on there, Ben.
            It makes you wonder, once all of this is over, how the animosity on both sides will play out.

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  32. HardHabits says:

    Go Scabs Go!!!

  33. DorvalTony says:

    I predict ~ 70 game season.

  34. Ron says:

    Bulldogs are now stating LeBlanc out 4-6 weeks with high ankle injury. This is a bit longer than I thought was first announced.

  35. otisfxu says:

    I see Patrick is part of L’antichambre – I take it he is never on when “Coach” Mario is on?

    Brooklyn is still part of the “Island”.

    Sorry guys, but if Toronto was running fantasy Leaf games and reviewing hockey games from their last stanley cup, we Hab fans woudd be ridiculing them en masse. I have no interest in either feature. I wish it would stop.

    • Bripro says:

      They should have Ronald Corey on as a special guest. ;)

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  36. habsnyc says:

    When a 30 goal scorer signs a $98 million contract, one might question whether reasonable people expect the full amount of that contract to be honored. To me, the 2012 summer contracts were inflated ahead of what owners believed would be a rollback. Clearly, the players are not taking that view. The league erred in allowing these contracts ahead of a labor dispute.

    Someone recently wrote that Fehr, who allowed a World Series to be cancelled, did not come out of retirement to lose a negotiation. The thought process was that the NHLPA wanted the most hardline leader available and sacked their prior head who had a strong working relationship with the NHL. The players chose an outsider whose only risk in these negotiations is his reputation as a winner. Cancelled or not, the 2012-13 season represents the last NHL paycheck for the bottom 3-4 players on each roster and for aging veterans. One could argue that Fehr is protecting someone’s $100 million contract, which probably was meaningfully inflated ahead of the new CBA, at the expense of the careers of the bottom 100 or so NHLers. It is an over simplification, but the dynamics work against the marginal players.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Cal says:

      Let the players lose 2 seasons and still think the same way.
      The lower paid players outnumber the $3 mill + players by about 3:1. They are the ones- the ones with the 4 to 5 year careers- that will decide what happens. If Fehr allows only the richest players to decide things, he’s no better than Bettman.

      • B says:

        I have read about strong regrets over the last lost season from both high paid players like Bill Guerin as well as lower paid guys like Pierre Dagenais.

        Under the latest league proposal, the players are to be paid all of the money under their current contracts. If they start missing games then they will loose some or all of that money (depending on how long the impasse lasts).

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Modano, Roenick are also amongst last lockout players to regret their decision. No surprise Fehr has none of these players talk to the current players.

        • Bripro says:

          Actually B, it was the NHLPA that agreed to “arrive at the” 50/50 split level (not immediately), as long as the current contracts were honoured.

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          • B says:

            I don’t get your point. Are you telling me I was wrong in writing that under the latest league proposal, the players are to be paid all of the money under their current contracts?

            Edit – response to Bripro below:
            You seem to agree that under the league’s latest proposal, the players are to be paid all of the money under their current contracts. You then write that it is safe to assume the league has no intention of paying out those contracts? How is it safe to assume they have no intention of paying those contracts when they are proposing to do just that?

            It seems to me that both the league and PA have proposed paying out current contracts. They have both also proposed a 50/50 split. The problem now seems to be how and when they arrive at a 50/50 split.

            Edit – another reply to Bripro below: [Sorry about having to do this awkwardly through edits, but this site won't let me directly reply to your comments below]

            I think you are confusing escrow and the make whole provision.

            Escrow remains as it was under the last CBA, a mechanism to ensure that the annual estimation for the players % share of revenue meets the % of the actual achieved revenue. This still works both ways in that players may get back all, less OR MORE than was held back in escrow depending on the actual revenues achieved that season. This is not a new provision under the leagues latest proposal and is not related to the make whole provision.

            Make whole would involve deferring (but still paying in full) the player’s currently contracted compensation allowing teams to transition to a lower cap ceiling that would occur as a result of lowering the players % of revenue from 57% to 50%.

            As per the league proposal: “To accomplish the “make whole,” each Players’ pro-rata “make whole” will be determined for the first two years of the Agreement and will be paid to each Player as a Deferred Compensation benefit over the life of the Player’s existing SPC.”

          • Bripro says:

            I’m not saying you’re wrong.
            But given that Fehr indicated that one of the conditions of their proposal was that the NHL honour all existing contracts, and the NHL turned it down, then it’s safe to assume that the league has no intentions of honouring the fictitious contracts negotiated by the brain-cramped owners. I would also venture to say that it’s especially true of the Wild’s wild contracts.

            EDIT: B above. (my turn ;) )
            No, the league agreed to a 50/50 split, but have no intentions of honouring the current contracts. They proposed to put money in escrow.
            The players countered with their offer to “get to” 50/50 (whatever that means), but are insistent that the league honour the current contracts. i.e. For me, the math says that it’s 50/50 plus the differential on the current contracts.

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    • commandant says:

      If they didn’t expect to pay full value, they shouldn’t have signed a contract that stated said value. Its not good faith bargaining.

      We also have a number of contracts that were signed in prior years.

      Is the NHL going to allow an individual player to opt out of a contract and leave for the KHL (or elsewhere) if they choose not to pay a full amount, can the player choose that they don’t want to honour all the years they signed for? Probably not gonna happen.

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      • Bripro says:

        “Its not good faith bargaining”. It’s easy to bluff when you’re playing with chips.

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      • habsnyc says:

        be reasonable, is a 30 goal scorer worth $98 million? how could he not know that he as getting an inflated contract ahead of a CBA reset?

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • commandant says:

          Is he a 30 goal scorer?
          or
          Is he a guy who scored 45 goals, and 94 points and 38 goals and 82 points prior to hurting his knee, and this season he was less than 100%?

          Are we assuming he stays at this same level? or are we thinking he improves as he is further removed from the surgery?

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          • habsnyc says:

            that was his peak production at his optimal hockey age. he will plateau here, regardless of injury. also he had some good set-up people in nj and may not have them in MN. I have seen him play in person, many times. I think he is an All-Star but he is not a Hall of Fame player. One season in seven as a top three goal scorer does not make someone worth $98million.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  37. 24 Cups says:

    Islanders to move in 2015?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408031

    The Barclay Centre only has capacity for 14,500 in terms of hockey.

    • OakvilleHabsFan says:

      Great news for a strugling franchise, Do you think the Isles will change their name after the move, I’m partial to the Brooklyn Americans!
      Any suggestions?

      • Blondie says:

        They could call themselves the Dodgers and try to finish a season without throwing, or receiving , a hit. :)

      • 24 Cups says:

        This could still be another powerplay move by Wang to get a new arena.

        I just did some quick calculations and the Islanders have averaged 12, 850 over the past five years. During that time their attendance rank was either 29th or 30th.

        Time to bring Tavares back to Markham!

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Not only is the low capacity an issue, the building wasn’t built for hockey. Many people are saying the sight lines will be horrid for hockey. I’m sure they will do a little renovating but there is not too much they can do to fix it.

      How does a state of the art facility not plan and build for multiple sports?

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • habsnyc says:

        The seating chart shows a horseshoe pattern, which is strange, but with 82 boxes instead of 30 and being 8 miles from Manhattan, the move will attract many more corporate sponsors and will probably be more profitable.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Great point Chris, while Winnipeg doesn’t have much if any more capacity, the building in Winnipeg is perfect for hockey, thus the paying customers enjoy the facilities. I can imagaine Wang charging pretty big bucks for the limited seats, and if the sightlines suck, well then just another brilliant move by the Hockey first owner.

        Sorry, but Wang has done nothing yet as an owner to deserve any respect. i suspect the Brooklyn people made Wang an offer he couldn’t refuse, I give him zero credit for this move. Granted Garth Snow had a great resume when hired as GM, just as Milbury did before him.

    • habsnyc says:

      Nassau is in Uniondale with no public transportation and Barclays is in downtown Brooklyn with no direct access to highways. This move will turnover 80% of the people who attend Islanders games. It is almost like a franchise relocation.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Nyc does the LI railroad serve anywhere near the arena?

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        • habsnyc says:

          To Nassau, it is a 1 hr train ride then a 15 minute cab ride from Penn Station, NYC. there is no direct public transportation from manhattan to Nassau. in fact, without a car, it is not easy to get to the Isles from anywhere in Long Island. Barclays is very accessible to the 2million people who live in Brooklyn + everyone in Manhattan though it is still a hassle to get from Queens to Brooklyn via subway.

          no one from Manhattan ever goes to the Isles, unless they are playing the Rangers, it is a long ride there and back. no one wants a 90 minute commute home after a game. It is pretty easy to take the train from Penn Station to the Prudential Center to see the Devils. It is like a 30 minute ride and lets you off very close to the Stadium.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  38. Old Bald Bird says:

    It seems to me that it’s the owners turn to make a new offer. It doesn’t have to be a major move, but it would get everyone back to the table. It’s called negotiating. For the league to dismiss three proposals without any sort of counter is yet another sign of bad faith and intransigence. They thought they might break the union with the 82 game carrot. They need to think again.

    • HabsFanMTL says:

      as long as Bettman is at the Helm of the NHL……..u can look foward to this every 7 years……he could care less about the fans….as he says……Lockout is his stratedgy he’s done it 3 times and losing another Season won’t make him lose any sleep….but one thing though …..i think the owners are not all on same boat about Bettman and if we lose another season Bettman won’t be comish much longer

  39. HabsFanMTL says:

    full season or not i want to watch my habs even if its to just watch Brandon Prust bash a few heads in defending his team mates……speaking of which…..i’d of kept Staubitz as a fourth line goon…..he is bigger than prust and can hold his own against anyone……Prust is a better hockey player and could have been kept on third line duty instead of Armstrong…….and staubitz cost next to nothing to keep…….Prust could have done Armstrongs job…..

    • Say Ash says:

      In fairness, Armstrong costs next to nothing, too. And the Leafs are paying for half that next to nothing.

      • Mattyleg says:

        …which makes it all the sweeter.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabsFanMTL says:

        true but White is more of a middleweight……and Moen well….is Moen…….we could have used another legit goon……look at the bruins…….Chara…….Lucic……and that fourth line good whats his face pretty big and tough……not to mention a slew of others who can drop the gloves…….Prust is tough i’ll give him that and will go with anyone……but even Chris Neil gave Prust problems….don’t get me wrong i’m glad to have Prust but as the only real tough guy ………were still lacking…….unless we can sign a big tough defenceman……who can clear bodies out of price’s crease and can drop them

      • Blondie says:

        After being bought out by the Leafs, of all teams, I’ll bet he’s got a little fire in the belly too. I think we’ll see a pretty good season out of him. If we have one.

  40. Lafrich says:

    FANS: Please please please don’t go back to games whenever this is finally done.

  41. Mattyleg says:

    I really don’t want there to be a shortened season, if for no other reason than that I don’t want to have to hear any statistic being quoted as ‘In a non-shortened season’ or ‘In an 82-game season’ or ‘in a season in which owners and players didn’t spend an inordinate amount of time trying to decide who gets more space at the trough whilst the food drains out the bottom of it.”

    That’s why.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Timo says:

      But when Habs finish dead last in the East we can all say that if it weren’t a shortened season Habs could finish as high as 13th place. Always look for a silver lining.

  42. Kooch7800 says:

    Hickey should come out for the Mini summit if he is in the Hammer anyway

  43. Habfan10912 says:

    @Chuck- Burly is not available but we Do have a ticket for you. Please.acknowledge. Thanks.

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    • Chuck says:

      Cool… what time are you guys meeting up at Tailgate Charlie’s?

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      • Habfan10912 says:

        We thought around 500. Will be great to meet you!

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Gah!
          I’m jealous.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Chuck says:

          Excellent! I’ll look for the table sporting the Bleu, Blanc et Rouge. As for me, I’ll be the guy with the baby on his hip. :)

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          • HabinBurlington says:

            Chuck, glad you can make it. Tailgates has put on some nice extra happy hour grub for us and a few other specialty things. Buddy of mine is a regular there and made arrangements for us. There should be a sign saying Hockey Inside OUt inside for us. I will make sure I am there by 5 to greet everyone.

            CHeers!

          • Bripro says:

            Hey guys. I’m truly sorry I had to back out. There always seems to be something….
            I’ll get to meet everyone at some point. Have a great time, and have a Guinness on me!

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  44. Kooch7800 says:

    If it is a majorly shortened season I hope they don’t play and we have a great shot at another high pick.

  45. mfDx says:

    Here’s my proposal:
    a 47% -47% revenue split with 6% given to prop up the retired players pension fund. There are too many men who cut their teeth and broke bones in the 70’s and 80’s who are now struggling to get by on $1500 a month while today’s players reap their rewards.

    Sent from my CHphone

  46. Mustang says:

    First. Yes, I do believe that there will not be a full 82 game season.

  47. Luke says:

    1) Why does thinking “70games” make someone shallow?
    2) Which greedy bastards will you be replacing the current greedy bastards with?

  48. Bripro says:

    “too many stupid people willing to swallow the bs rather than act on it.”

    That’s the second time you’ve insulted the commentariat with the same drivel.
    Do you have anything new to say?
    Or indulge us please, with what action you plan on taking against all the bs that we shallow people (according to you) swallow!

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