Four games in six nights for Habs

The Canadiens enjoyed a day off Sunday to rest up for what will be a very busy week with four games in six nights.

The New Jersey Devils will be at the Bell Centre Monday (7:30 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690) and then the Canadiens will be in New Jersey Wednesday. Boston then visits the Bell Centre on Thursday, followed by the Buffalo Sabres on Saturday.

The Canadiens, coming off a 4-2 win over Toronto on Saturday, have a 7-1-2 record in their last 10 games. That’s the best record in the Eastern Conference over that span and Montreal hasn’t allowed more than two goals in any of those games.

“We are managing the puck well, spending a lot of time in the offensive zone and playing solid defensively,” Canadiens coach Michel Therrien said after Saturday’s win.

At Monday’s morning skate, Michael Bournival was skating on the fourth line with Brandon Prust and Travis Moen, meaning George Parros looks to be a healthy scratch against the Devils along with Ryan White. On defence, Douglas Murray is expected to play with Francis Bouillon a healthy scratch.

(Photo by Richard Wolowicz/Getty Images)

Canadiens vs. Devils preview, NHL.com

Habs show Leafs they’re a different team, by Pat Hickey

Pacioretty pots two to lead Habs over Leafs, by Pat Hickey

Murray filling big role with Habs, by Dave Stubbs

Leafs coach Carlyle doesn’t like Pacioretty’s celebration, Toronto Sun

Price stakes claim for Sochi, Toronto Star

Will P.K. go to Sochi? New York Times

HNIC can’t continue to be Leafs nation, by Jack Todd

Cherry makes his case for Coach’s Corner, montrealgazette.com

Details matter, Canadiens.com

Canadiens vs. Leafs photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

427 Comments

  1. ClutchNGrab says:

    I always tend to forget the other sport that “allows” fighting:
    lacrosse.

    Some of those fights are brutal:
    http://youtu.be/PFLJ2ODXVa8

  2. Sportfan says:

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  3. NoTinFoilCups says:

    Is there anything going on at Jersey’s rink tonight? It would have made more sense to schedule tonight’s game in Jersey and the Wednesday game at home. Now the boys have to travel before the night before taking on the B’s at home. WTF?

  4. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Before somebody brings it up…

    “Why didn’t MaBe sign Jagr instead of Brière?”

    Maybe Jagr didn’t want to play for the Habs/MiTh. Maybe his agent hates MaBe — or MiBo? — maybe the price was too steep. Maybe a million things.

    Would I have liked to see Jagr and Plekanec on the same line? Hellyes! I’ll get my chance during the Olympics. Or maybe during the playoffs… ;-)

  5. Habfan10912 says:

    Our friend Ronn makes an interesting post about the justification of a Leaf Biased National Broadcast. His argument seems to be that since the Leafs have a bigger population then Quebec it makes financial sense for HNIC to lean that way. (I paraphrased Ronn’s post and I hope I didn’t misstate it).

    If I may make a counter point and use the two biggest US sports to make my point.

    In a recent poll, the Dallas Cowboys were noted as the NFL’s most popular team. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cowboys-top-poll-most-popular-000434488–nfl.html

    Many of the Cowboy games are broadcast on a National level. Even though the Cowboys may in fact have more fans as their opponent, many more will root against the Cowboys. Those fans deserve an impartial broadcast.

    The Yankees in MLB are another example of a team with a tremendous National following. Even more numerous are the “Yankee Haters” who watch Yankee games while rooting for who ever they play. Those fans as well deserve an impartial broadcast.

    I am not an expert in Canadian opinions but I’m willing to guess that many a Canadian watches HNIC broadcast just to see the Leafs lose. They deserve an impartial broadcast.

    I could not imagine ESPN/FOX/CBS/NBC broadcasting a Cowboy or Yankee game where they blatantly use the term “we” when describing a Cowboy or Yankee team.

    I understand the financial benefit in a National Broadcast selecting a Maple Leaf, Cowboy, or Yankee game as a centerpiece to their National Broadcast. That’s all about money. But the CBC broadcast us knowledgeable fans are subjected to week after week after week is nothing short of shameful.

    • Bripro says:

      Good morning Jim,
      The problem with Toronto, IMO, goes deeper than just hockey. Especially for Quebecers. There was a time (a long time ago), when Montreal contributed to the Canadian economic engine as much as Toronto did, if not more so.
      Over the years, as Toronto grew while Montreal stagnated (due in large part to political incompetence and narrow-minded linguistic issues) and the rest of Canada was forced to watch, a mild resentment turned into hatred turned into loathing.
      And when the CBC moved its head office from Montreal to Toronto, including the sports broadcast desk, that was pretty much the icing on the cake.
      The Yankees are a case in themselves, but there are many other major cities to support in the U.S.
      Canada not so much.
      So when we’re told that (for instance) TSN is “Canada’s sports network” or the CBC has “Hockey Night in Canada”, and yet all of the panelists, save for Elliot Friedman and Pierre Lebrun, are visibly pro-Leafs, it’s enough to drive the rest of us (all Canadian non-Leaf fans) off the deep end.

    • Cal says:

      Way too much common sense in this post, Jim.
      When I watch RDS there is some “homerism”. Thing is, though, they ensure the viewer is in the know about that night’s opponent, and sing the praises of their good to great players as well. They also focus on any “quebecois” that’ll play that night for that local interest. Like on Saturday, when they focused for a bit on Bernier.

      I prefer proper analysis of the games, but, when it comes to hockey, none of the broadcasters do a credible job. They’d be smart to follow the NFL’s example, but what do they know, right?

    • savethepuck says:

      Very well said Jim.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  6. portle44 says:

    If Rogers punches Don Cherry’s ticket,the next question will be: do they add an additional Leaf Pom Pom girl to the broadcast team?

  7. Timo says:

    So are we going to be lucky to see Franky Boo in the lineup again tonight? I assume that Parros will sit.

  8. ClutchNGrab says:

    For those who think fighting is “part of the game”. I will say, not much is “part of the game”. Necessary evil maybe, because the league don’t want to make the changes that would eliminate it. But towards the years there were so many changes to the game that fighting can’t be seen has inherent to hockey.

    My personal favorite rule change :

    1929 – Allowing forward passing.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/34798-Rules-that-changed-the-game.html

  9. Ton says:

    Some posters need to understand the the game as a business…….not a medically safe environment! Fighting is entertainment> entertainment sells the game in the US………….fighting will be part of the games for the next two decades at the very least…….I can see it disappearing when the league has its next major financial crisis……it will happen…..hockey in the south will crash………that’s when you will have a transformation of the game! Not that I agree with fighting……….but have come to terms that it is a business and people want to be entertained with the occasional scrap! Watch the stands when a fight starts…….never mind the polls……the same people that are voting against it are the same people that are standing at the games!

    • Luke says:

      Fighting is not a “US fan” thing. It’s a “Canadian Fan” thing.

      Think of all that has been said, on both sides of the fighting argument, and tell me how many words have been uttered by non-Canadians (fan or media).

      Americans, as reflected by their massive consumption of all things NFL, don’t really hang their hats on fighting in pro-sports. If they did, the NHL wouldn’t be #4 (or lower).

    • The Dude says:

      The whole idea of sports invention was to keep tribes from war and it has been used as a tool to vent frustrations among peoples from around the world for over two thousand of years.Now if you think us humans have been transformed since the time of the Gladiater and are a different species all together,then why do we still mass kill and eat other animals? And for those who think getting rid of fighting in NHL hockey will somehow change the world and the violence there in…good luck with that!

  10. John Q Public says:

    cherry ≠ ♡
    Sit cherry Sit!

  11. jeffhabfan says:

    Tonight might be boring but we need to keep winning.GO HABS GO.

  12. Maritime Ronn says:

    It appears Brodeur will be in nets

    His career stats against the Habs:
    44-18-6 .930 SP 1.83 GAA
    Even the past 3 years, he is 6-2-1 against the Habs.

    And how about that Jagr?
    Easily leads the Devils team with 11G 11A…Plus + 10.

    Not bad for a soon to be 42 year old guy costing the Devils only a 1 year $4M Cap Hit contract. ( $2M Salary-$2M Bonus)

  13. Ian Cobb says:

    Wilfred!
    I have played this game, refereed this game, coached & scouted in this game, billeted Junior players in this game, and was brought up by a hockey club. So I also have a little knowledge about this game. Maybe not as much as you have but I love the physical play. Hip checks, shoulder checks, body checks are part of this game, and yes there are always injuries by the ice, sticks and pucks.

    But there should never be an intentional head hit in this game!!! Including fighting and blooding another player purposely. I will fight against all forms of intentional brain injury after losing so many young men to this foolish act.

    • wjc says:

      Mr. Cobb: I think we agree almost. You have extensive experience, you have seen more then I perhaps. Did not say you lack experience in the game.

      I never said that intentionally injuring someone with head shot was good. We agree it is bad. However, if you are going to have body checking then mistakes at high speed will happen. When you fall into the boards, even on a perfect check.

      The fighting is becoming less and less and if the players association agrees it is necessary, because without the outlet and the threat you could have more injury.

      You are saying I condone intentional brain injury, I say you are over reaching. You cannot change the nature of a dangerous sport that by its nature has dangerous aspects to it.

      Players know the risks, except the big rewards and us as fans should except what is. How can you watch this game and cringe at every body check. Players are in constant motion, the dynamics are constantly changing, throw in some emotion and you are creating injuries, just by its very nature.

      Eliminate the intentional obvious stuff, oh wait they are.

      wjc

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Wilber! When you go through a stop sign, accidentally or not, there is a penalty. You must still go to court.

        When you injure or kill brain cells on purpose in my society, you belong in a barred cell.

        • wjc says:

          Accidentally….on purpose….I am lost!…….

          Accientally go through a stop sign?????

          Injure brain cells on purpose?????

          My brain cells are being injured, trying to follow all of this.

          Keep your soap box, preach to the ‘great unwashed’, the ignorant.

          Brain cells, I get it……I think.

          wjc

  14. Bill says:

    Habs prospects with a good shot at the WJHC (IMO):

    Fucale: I think he’s a lock, but we’ll see.

    Hudon: He’s got the wheels and the two-way game. Sutter might want more size on the bottom six though.

    Vail: Having a good enough season to get a look from USA, I’d say.

    McCarron: To me he’s a long shot. Not having a great year and not sure his game is suited to the big ice.

    Collberg, de la Rose, Lehkonen Reway … all four go for sure, I think.

    Some have mentioned Crisp, but I can’t see him getting and invite. He is definitely a “Sutter-type player”, but Canada has too much depth for him to make it, I feel. Offensively he is not strong enough, and grit/toughness just don’t count for as much in high-skill international tournaments played on Olympic rinks.

    • SmartDog says:

      I wonder what’s gone wrong with McCarron. He seemed to have it together when he was in Montreal. Not NHL ready but not miles away either.

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Young, big body player. I doubt anything wrong, but rather he is having to learn like all players at the higher level of Junior versus what he played last year.

        Big power forwards can develop as slow or slower than defensemen. Given skating is one of the things he needs to work on most, should be no surprise he isn’t in consideration for playing on Olympic sized rink for team USA.

        • Luke says:

          When he played in Niagara last week, he looked decent. Similar to Crisp. Very willing to bang and fight for the front oft he net.

          What was really odd was that McCarron took (and won) at least one faceoff. He lined up for it, won it and flipped back to wing. And it wasn’t the case of someone getting kicked out.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Agree amigo. When I saw him a few weeks ago in Kingston, his skating wasn”t bad at all. He was having trouble with his positioning but the coaching staff was talking to him about it on the bench. He is learning with the Hunters, which is a good thing.

      • jamman says:

        He’s not getting a lot of ice-time thats for sure. The knights are pretty deep.

  15. HabinBurlington says:

    So at the beginning of the year when the Habs had a great deal of injuries, there were some posters here who seemed to think the injuries were the result of being “smurf like”. So have the Habs players grown during the season, as we have fewer injuries now.

    Or perhaps the reality is that we had a fluke period where many Habs were injured and thankfully now we are having a fluke period where few are injured.

    Love the fact that MT has choices to make on the lineup,
    Crankshaft or Frankie, Bournival back in? Bourque in? What about White? Parros rests until Thursday?

    Finally we see some depth!

    • Phil C says:

      Depth is a beautiful thing. People may mock the signings of the role players, but it makes a difference. With four lines and 6 defensemen who can play NHL hockey, there are no easy shifts when you play the Habs now.

  16. habsguru says:

    at one time I could tolerate Cherry, until one night in 2003, when he used our tax dollars to fund the forum to exrete his personal opinion about the war, and suggested Ron didn’t have the right to an opinion. it went on from there. wouldn’t care if I ever heard mention of him again

  17. habsguru says:

    For Carlisle to cry about the sword gesture…. but it’s okay for Kadri to thump his chest and let out a war cry every time he scores??? next time I hope Pac does it in front of the Laffs bench.

  18. habsfaninboston says:

    3 games in 4 nights for the boys. On the flip side, thanks to the schedule makers, Bruins will be well rested for Thursday’s game.

  19. HNIC Leafs 24/7

    Just when you think it can’t get any worse on CBC they go all access 24/7 Leafs Night. On a night when the Habs made them look silly on a National broadcast, you would have never known there was hockey outside Toronto. :lol:

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  20. Maritime Ronn says:

    Reading through some of the comments about HNIC and its Leafs bias and pandering, the answer appears simple as in whom will be watching HNIC, and how does that fit with sponsors supported by these same viewers.

    Demographics:

    Ontario:
    Population 12.8 million (39% of Canada)
    Mother Tongue 71% English and I would hazard a guess that another at least 25 % more understand English.

    Quebec:
    Population 7.9 million (23% of Canada)
    Mother tongue 80% French – 7.7% English
    RDS Option.

    Of course there are Habs fans throughout the country, yet they are probably equalled by Leafs fans, and the Western folks have 3 other teams they call their own.

    • Ali says:

      there ya go. Money talks.

    • Propwash says:

      CBC is a national broadcaster, it should be their responsibility to call games evenly down the middle.

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    • netninja says:

      My only comment on the breakdown though is that throughout the 12.8 million people in Ontario you have a good mix of Detroit, Ottawa and Buffalo fans to go along with those Maple Leaf Fans, and while in Quebec i’m sure there is a mix as well, I’m pretty sure demographically, support for other teams is very small in comparison to the Habs…

      Would love to see the breakdown of fans… StatCan should get on that lol

  21. Ian Cobb says:

    Don Cherry sure does not have the balls to admit he was wrong, about PK. Problem in the dressing room etc, etc. The only thing he says is that the kid started to listen to him.

    Cherry is the worse kind of man to be addressing our youth about anything. He is a leach, he rode Bobby Orr’s coat tails for years and still does. He has told millions that such and such a player is his buddy, and that they all listen and follows his instructions. Most of these player only know of him as he prances around the rinks. He talks about players being flamboyant and celebrating in a incorrect manor. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!
    The day of Rock um Sock um hockey and this despicable man are over. PLEASE!
    Our youth’s brain cells will be the winner!!

    • Sportfan says:

      I remember when he claimed that he told Alfie in Ottawa to cut his hair and that because he no longer had the Krusty the Clown look he was having a break out year. I believe it was the year with Spezza and Heatley on a line, cause you know those guys had nothing to do with Alfies success….

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    • wjc says:

      Mr. Cobb, I know you are on a mission, I get it. However, you are being rather harsh I would think. P.K. needed to be reeled in, he was pretty over the top and immature, but that is all in the past.

      Every coach hangs onto a stars coat tails. Scotty Bowman has done it for years. Was Lafluer not the star that stirred the drink.

      Even you must admit he has insights from playing and coaching and watching for neigh 60 years, so yes I listen to his rants.

      The coats are just show biz. To say he prances is going to far, this is just for the 5 minute segment to bring attention to the production.

      I sometime feel you are watching the wrong sport. There is a fine line between celebrating and rubbing it in…..that is his point.

      Rock em Sock em hockey sold because fans like hitting. For the time it was all legal now it is being questioned more. You cannot take hitting out of the game and sometimes it will happen that someone gets hurt.

      I sometimes think you need to step back and maybe find another game to enjoy. Hitting is part of the game…..it is. Every contact sport has the chance of a mishap. Baseball players have a chance of getting hit by a pitcher. Football…don’t even go there. Soccer….balls are hard when they bang off your head. Golf…..the ball could hit you from behind….Curling you could slip and fall and bang your head. Sleding, racing, boxing, wrestling. Tidddly winks could take an eye out.

      Climb down off your soap box and play some cards or something.
      Riding a bicycle on a busy street. Ice is hard, sticks are swinging, pads are space age hard plastic, pucks are frozen being propelled at 100 miles an hour and deflecting, boards are wooden and hard, skates are sharp and the speed they play at. The emotion is over the top sometimes. Please no more lectures on head injuries, they are going to happen and the only answer is to outlaw the sport or change it to something that no one will want to watch.

      wjc

      • Bash says:

        Finally makes sense! The next time I play tiddily winks I will look for every opportunity to take an eye out, especially when my opponent is not looking and especially if he is winning.

        And the next time I play golf I will slyly but deliberately try to take some one out with an “errant” shot. Not within the rules of course but still within the culture of golf played by “good Canadian kids” like myself.

        And baseball would be so much more fun if throwing at the batter’s head, not just a little inside, was a given when your team is losing. And if fans don’t like it they can play cards.

        But wait!! Why not fisticuffs in TV poker? Or at least sharp edged chips which could be deftly tiddlywinks into an opponent’s forehead? What fun!

        Of course we know that hockey is physical, and dirty hockey is even more physical so DUH…more better.

        You have raised the bar sir…and now you can finally walk under it.

        “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

      • Phil C says:

        You make it sound like hitting and contact in hockey is a black and white issue when in fact there is a spectrum of hitting in hockey. You don’t have to remove contact from the game, just get rid of the violent hits that cause injury. If everyone hit like Emelin, there would still be lots of contact, yet he has rarely injured his opponent. Also get rid of late hits and actually start calling charging, and the game would be much safer without losing any entertainment value.

        • wjc says:

          Emelin has caused a few bruises and pissed a few guys off, remember Chara. He put himself out of action for months on the hit on Lucic. Hitting can effected the ‘hitted’ as well as the hitee.

          wjc

    • krob1000 says:

      When Cherry says that about the flamboyance..it is the coach in him saying it not the entertainer. His role on TV is that of an entertainer…but he transitions in and out of coach mode and he is right from a coaches persepctive. You do not want to give the other team any reason to get emotionally invested and whether we like it or not some guys get very upset when someone does something like that and it often does give a team an excuse to get fired up. Cherry knows first hand as Guy used to light him up….he used to plead with his players to not bother Lafleur and let him sleep….he knew is he got Guy emotionally involved it would firre him up and then look out.

      What he says is no different…..it is what any coach would say. I understand from a fans perspective we enjoy the flamboyance and the celebrations, but a coach is thinking about the next period, the next game,etc. Sure it means he is the killjoy but from a coaches perspective he is 100 percent correct. Do I enjoy the celebration? absolutely, but I do acknowledge the point he is trying to make and from men’s leagues to kids hockey to the NHL there is a respect factor there and his message is the dominant and correct one….overzealous kids, overzealous rec players and overzealous Juniors, NHLers,etc…they all are noticed if they act this way. There are two times it is OK IMO….when the kids are very young and you do not want to risk removing any fun from the young kids and when a goal is a big goal…a meaingful one…then by all means celebrate and be emotional. But when a guy scores the 4th goal giving a team a 4 goal lead? I can see where the LEfas would be a bit pissed. I can also see where Pacioretty was genuinely excited though….for him personally it was a big goal, he struggled for weeks and is now finding his groove….so I get it from both sides but I can definitely understand the Leafs perspective…thinking why is this guy celebrating the 4th goal? They don’t know or care about MAx’s personal struggles thus far. They don’t know he rarely plays the PK,etc,etc. I can see why Max did it AND I can see why the Leafs were pissed……both sides were right/wrong….so to sum it up no big deal…but from Cherry’s coach perspective…he is right and Carlyle confirmed it.

      • dr. gesundheit says:

        Well said Krob 10-to-the-3rd.

        To the Cherry haters out there. Re Cherry…yes he’s a Leaf fan…guess what?…I’m a Hab fan. If anyone is bothered by that fact, get over it. Yes, he’s over the top…yes he’s a senior, yes he has political views that some people disagree with. We get it. He also know’s a fair bit about hockey. Coaches Corner is controversial. I don’t always agree with everything said, but it’s entertaining, sometimes insightful and as a Hab fan I enjoy watching it. Apparently a lot of other people enjoy watching it as well (Hab/Leaf/Bruin/Hawk fans included) If you enjoy bashing Cherry go for it. Call him names, make fun of him…whatever. Bashing people who you don’t know (who enjoy watching it (i.e. “WWE fans/those who just enjoy fighting/Neandrathals etc”) says more about you than the rest of us.

    • Reflektor says:

      Well said Ian,

      If Cherry wasn’t the #1 Leaf fan he’dve been booted off a long time ago. He’s a clown in the COTU circus. People go to circuses to laugh at dumb antics and cheap comedy. Watch out for the elephant dung.

  22. Sportfan says:

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  23. Phil C says:

    So far this year, 74% of the players have not even been into one fight. Only 93 players have had more than 2 fights. In the last 82 game season, almost 60% of the players didn’t even get into one fight.

    98% of them may say they support fighting, but the large majority of players have no personal interest in it. To me this supports what Ian Cobb is saying; that the players feel peer pressure to support fighting.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Phil

      Perhaps the only way for the NHLPA to find out how their Membership really feels about the fighting issue, is to allow an independent 3rd party entity to conduct a survey of ALL members where absolute confidentiality is guaranteed

    • krob1000 says:

      I would be fine with them removing fighting but before that could happen they would need an entirely new disciplinary system in place. Until then fighting is necessary IMO. I also think you are looking at that from one perspective but the other side of the coin would be that those players who don’t have to fight don’t have to because they have guys who do that for them. I would be interested to find out how the percentage of palyers who fight way back in the 50’s or 60’s. I would guess the number was actually higher.
      The issue is far deeper with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, teams will stoop as low as possbile to play and earna bigger chunk of that….there will always be someone willing to take cheap shots.

      Let’s also be honet….both TO games it was pretty evident that Colton Orr came in with a gamplan in mind…intimidate PK. Ironically PK clealy came into the game witha gameplan…intmidate Phil Kessel. There are always games within games happening and as long as intimidation and riding a particualr player are part of the game then teams will load up to counter it.

      The idea if removing fighting is easier said than done. People try to compare football…football is played 5 seconds at a time, then guys cool down emotionally, then they start again…they have longer to calm down. They also do not have boards, sticks, blades,etc flying around and trying to compare the two is not really accurate as some have made mention on here.
      Baseball that is slow as molasses even ahs its own retribution buit within…if someone shows someone up in baseball they get a 90 MPH fastball at their ear….this IMO is far more alarming than two teams haveing well paid, fully understanding and willing combatantts have a fight. I do wish they had no fighting like everyone else…but for it to happen so much has to change. Every little cheap shot, slew foot, semi dirty hit, wahck to the hands has to be factored in. Perhaps if they could review non calls after whistles or have an off ice official who could call the other stuff and do something about it…but that would seriously mess with the fabric of the game. They would also need a much different punishment system …ie punishing teams not individuals to prevent teams from having a lesser player take a suspension or penalty in order to take out a star player. The problem is there is no real solution and the way it is is still the best way until something better comes along.

      • Phil C says:

        I agree they would need a better disciplinary system.

        Cheap shots would probably increase, but there would probably be some unintended positive impacts, like a higher standard of sportsmanship. See my other post below, I’m not convinced removing fighting would cause an increase in violence overall.

        I agree its tough to compare sports. A better example is international hockey which is played at the highest level of skill in the world and with high stakes (non-monetary stakes, albeit) without any fighting permitted. The game doesn’t seem to suffer without it.

        • krob1000 says:

          This is a bit of a myth though…even in the Euro leagues there are goons and policemen. The difference is in high stakes playoff like international hockey ….but the key there is those games all have serious meaning, and they are like playoff games where one bad penalty could affect the outcome so players play differently. IF International hockey played 82 games and not every game and every period had so much impact then it too would be played differently IMO. The KHL, the Swedish, Finjiish and Swiss leagues all have fights too. Not quite as many as there is less money up for grabs IMO but they exist and they have their tough guys too.

          • frontenac1 says:

            Agreed Krob. There are some real corker fights and line brawls over in Europe. I miss the good old bench clearing brawls.

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        Well perhaps they will remove fighting…and hitting if it seems like they are skating too fast…..now that would make a great sporting event to view. I think the people on here with views like Ian would be disappointed in the end product. I don’t necessarily support fighting and especially the staged fights but come on….if you are that against impact in a fast sport turn the channel or keep the preaching to yourself. This topic is taking up way too much space….better still give Tony a call on 690…he seems to be on a non stop agenda to have all contact removed from hockey…..

    • wjc says:

      I think the opposite, if you read between the lines. They support fighting because if give a player a job that would otherwise doing something else less lucritive.

      Take Gallagher, he likes to play in your face, hockey. If someone decides to take liberties with him because he is shall we say undersized, he has Parros obseving and taking notes. If a player does decide (unwisely, I might add) to take Gallagher to the woodshed for a little tuning up, he will have to answer to Prusts etc. of the hockey world.

      So self preservation being what it is, he thinks better of it. Mr. Gallagher gets it and says thank you Mr. Parros for being there and keeping everything balaced. I will score and you watch my back…..great.

      wjc

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    World Junior Roster Selection today, we should see Hudon and Fucale there right? Anyone else? Is Thrower too old?

  25. Bill says:

    Burly, I think it’s unlikely that head to head English broadcasts would see the Habs come out ahead. That’s because there will always be a split in Habs viewership between English and French.

    Polls show and I don’t doubt for a second that there are more Habs fans than Leafs fans. But not all fans are equal in terms of advertising dollars. Advertisers are aiming right at the greater Toronto area, where about a quarter of the country lives and shops.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      @Bill, I am not predicting a Habs win in those numbers in reality, but I would expect the ratings for Habs to be much closer to the Leafs ratings than many expect. And yes I am also talking about in the GTA, my buddy for example has 4 boys that all love hockey. They all hate the Leafs, because the oldest boy is a goalie he loves Price. There are a ton of kids that may indeed prefer watching Habs over Leafs.

  26. Steeltown Hab says:

    1st, Bourque, Christian Thomas.

    I’m really curious what that could bring us in the trade market, considering we wouldn’t be giving up much.

    Ps. Bourque looks energized saturday, good on em.

    ———————————

    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Harditya says:

      I’d hold on to Christian Thomas. He’s just getting hot in Hamilton and they can use all the offense they get. Bourque I don’t really care about, because I would much rather prefer seeing Bournival in the lineup.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        With Hudon, Lehkonen, Colberg, Ghetto, Reway, Leblanc he’s just really expendable and considering he’s pt a game right now, prime opportunity to trade him.

        ———————————

        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

        • krob1000 says:

          I would look at it the other way and deem the guys that are further away as the expendable ones. Thomas is the most ready IMO to play an offesnive role and step in if Gallagher or Gionta goes down.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bourque had a big hit on Colty Orr. Not many guys have the courage to do that…especially after getting clocked by the same guy the year before.
      Too bad he doesn’t play just like that more often.

      Thomas? That would depend on how a team’s GM/Scouting dept. can project how his 5’9″-170 RW would pan out at the NHL level and on their team.

  27. HabinBurlington says:

    Re:HNIC Being Homers

    Will be neat to see what the ratings look like next year when Montreal gets a national telecast going against a Toronto national telecast. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Habs actually surpass the ratings Toronto gets. Lots of kids in the GTA are not Leafs fans and haven’t been given the option to watch something different on a Sat. night, and of course we know there are legions of Habs fans across the country.

    Perhaps nothing will cause the broadcasting quality to improve more than the realization by the networks that there is a bunch of fans in Canada whom prefer to watch the Habs over Leaves.

  28. Ian Cobb says:

    Ronn!
    All players are team guys in their 20’s and 30’s, young men, they have each others backs at all times. It is a survival need of bonding, might even call it a brain washing from the day they started playing as kids.

    Not all players want the fighting in the game, but most back the fighting publicly. The peer pressure is immense.

    Once they learn the horrific trauma as they get older, they sing a different tune, but the damage is already done.

  29. Bill says:

    MRonn: why would the removal of fighting require new rules against cross-checking and hitting from behind?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bill

      It would need better enforcement and more severity in punishment…as it needs now.
      Take the fight out and every rat will become brave.
      That could end up being an unintended consequence

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        All the after the whistle, allowing each player to take a shot or two at anothers head is what I find the funniest.

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Strummer says:

      I would suggest those types of penalties be called to the letter of the rule. That would prevent cheap shots by players who take liberties because they wouldn’t have to answer to the other team’s designated goon.

      If the ref’s would just call the rules in the book- plus the after the whistle face-wash- no-one would take liberties.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • Cal says:

        After watching Gally take a stick in the face that wasn’t called Saturday night, it’s time to give the incompetent refs a crash course on what the infractions are. I saw Gally complaining to the ref (and because I can read lips) he said, “Don’t give me that shit!”
        Now, if I’m the ref he gets two for saying that. However, the ref should have made the highsticking call that took place less than ten feet away from him.

      • ArmyFan says:

        Agree 100%.

  30. D Man says:

    A while back someone posted a website (I believe it came from Europe) where you could order hockey games, including the Olympics, over the internet. I’m in Texas for the winter and am missing my Habbies. Can anyone help?

    You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

    • Ali says:

      I think the nhl;s online package is called gamecenter…but not sure if olympics is included in that…but pretty sure all the olympics stuff will be streamed by the networks for free?

    • rljmartin says:

      Hi D,
      I live in Colombia and streamed free for 3 years but got tired of the crappy quality and the links go down at any moment. Highly recommend NHL gamecenter. I just got it for $100, don´t know what it costs state-side, and I get ALL games, no blackouts and can watch the ones I miss later. Signal is excellent compared to what I was watching. definitely recommend it, you should get all Habs games since they will be out of your market most of the time.

      Enjoy…..

    • Tharsis says:

      Hockeystreams.com is really good. They show all the games and give you the choice in the available broadcasts. So you can see the RDS stream or watch the TSN/CBC feed or whatever other channel is showing the game. The quality is great and you can stream it through or xbox to your TV. The games are all archived so you can watch them after the fact, I can go back several years and watch habs games if I wanted to!

      You can pause a live stream and play it like a dvr. They also show all the AHL and junior games, they show the world championships, and they will be showing all the olympics as well.

      I have watched all the habs games on there for the last 4 years and I love it. I know I sound like a cheerleader but it has been a real life saver for me.
      ———————————-

      Fate leads the willing, and drags along the reluctant.

  31. Bill says:

    About Cherry and HNIC in general: we do all have opinions and remotes. I stopped watching years ago, when HNIC became Leafs TV.

    My biggest problem with Cherry was not and is not his stance on fighting: I actually don’t care about his opinion on that. The reason I can’t watch him is his Leafs obsession. And Maclean and the Hot Stove are just as bad.

    I would love to see the house cleaned out at HNIC, not because I want anyone’s opinion stifled, but because it would be nice to be able to watch a decent hockey show instead of some homer-fest.

    When I watch Monday night football, the broadcast team doesn’t openly root for the Cowboys. HNIC is amateur hour, and that is what should be fixed.

    • Mike Boone says:

      I couldn’t agree more, especially the comparison to U.S. football telecasts.

      Mike Boone
      Hockey Inside/Out blogger

    • 24 Cups says:

      CBC should keep Weekes and Friedman. Everybody else can walk the plank as far as I’m concerned.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      This is where I disagree about Cherry in particular.

      It doesn’t bother me that Cherry openly cheers for Toronto or Boston – he doesn’t deny it and to be fair he played/coached in Boston and lives/works in Toronto. I agree with more of his opinions on hockey than I don’t. And when I don’t that’s fine – he generally admits his bias.

      What bothers me much more is the rest of the telecast who pretends to be neutral and puts the Leafs on a pedestal and cuts down Montreal in a much more passive aggressive way. The weekly stories about how Subban is a dressing room issue, defensive liability or limited “doghouse” ice time because he doesn’t spend 6 minutes a night on the PK in addition to his 29 he’s playing now. (All complete Toronto media fabrications). How the team is too small, “easy” to play against or “not built for the playoffs (hilarious coming from a team who hasn’t won a playoff series in almost 10 years).

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      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!
      @Hstands4Hockey

    • Sportfan says:

      Let’s just hope its dealt with properly and that it becomes something we can all enjoy again as opposed more on air garbage.

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    • wjc says:

      I agree totally. I set my watch for 15 minutes and return when all the ads and hype are over. If Cherry says something outrageous, I know I can find it later to review.

      It is all rather humorous don’t you think, to give something control over our emotions. If it bothers you switch to something else and hit the mute button. Not that big a deal for me, have been doing this for years. Sometimes I tune in to torture myself I guess, but it is my choice.

      wjc

  32. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Good morning Hab fans! Game day in New Joisey, with les gars facing the ageless Hab-killer Martin F Brodeur and his cohorts. The Devils will be looking to grab points and pass the falling Leafs. Habs have got to stay out of the penalty box and get a greasy goal past MFB ASAP SVP.

    Since Kovalchuk “retired”, the Devils have been using that money to employ more Joisey business methods, including but not limited to, drugs, strippers, threats of physical harm, and deep-fried foods. There is no such thing as the New Jersey Devils. Have another donut and a complimentary lap dance.

    Go Habs!

  33. 24 Cups says:

    I find it interesting that Briere and Ryder both have identical point totals (5/4/9) at the one third mark of the season. The only difference being that Briere has played ten less games.

    Erik Cole, the man who never was, also has 9 points (2/7/9).

    Michael Bournival’s stats are 23/6/5/11. There has to be a lesson in there somewhere.

    • Cal says:

      Brière and Pleks are finding some chemistry. This bodes very well going forward. (Until they face a hard hitting team at least.)
      I’m loving the laffs brutal D and I’m hopeful they sign Phaneuf for $8 mil for 7 years.

    • Phil C says:

      Is the lesson to put Bournival on the 4th line?

      Briere is quietly starting to produce. 6 of his 9 points have come in the last 9 games. He has a knack of being able to finish his opportunities. He also looks like he has some jump back in his step. With regular ice-time, I think he will turn out to be a good signing. He seems to be in MT’s doghouse though.

      • Cal says:

        MT is doing a bit of a high wire act now that there are more healthy players than spots to play. If we continue to see plays like that Brière dish to Pleks Saturday night, there may be no need to rotate Moen there to protect leads.

        • Phil C says:

          I agree, keep putting points on the board. You are right that MT played Briere more last game, so he may be out of the doghouse. We’ll see tonight which should be a close game.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Cups

      Briere’s numbers next to Ryder are even more impressive when you look at actual minutes played and line mates

      Briere: 229 minues played including 33 PP.
      Ryder: 442 minutes played including 76 PP

      Ryder has Henrique and Elias as line mates for the most part while Briere has had….

      Something also tells me Briere may be better in The Room.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Briere has been much better as of late. If he plays like he has over his last 10 games his contract is a huge bargain.

      ——————————————————————–
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      @Hstands4Hockey

    • wjc says:

      The lesson for me is Briere is putting up decent numbers at the moment. Cole wore out his welcome and Patiorcetty missed him for a while. Bournival is the future. The lesson is Briere is/was a wise fill in move and Bournival is the future and is becoming ready along with a number of prospects.

      Canadiens are a tougher team and it is becoming apparent over the next little while the Canadiens will be exerting their will on teams.
      If Boston or Ottawa excetra want to rough it up, they can be matched. Watch for Lucic to a lot more polite around Price with Crankshaft hanging around. Chara will have to be a little more respectful as well with Parros doing his job.

      wjc

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agreed. Crankshaft has been getting better with each game and I love the pairing with Diaz. I’ve noticed Brier starting to look like his old self again. Parros is doing his job and is starting to skate well again too.

  34. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all. Remember the quality of NHL games before the first lockout. Remember the clutch and grab and obstruction utilized by all teams to slow their opponent down? Well guess what? Tune in to the Devils vs Hab game tonight and you’ll see it all again in all it’s glory.

    You’ll see hooking and holding go uncalled again and again. It didn’t the league very long to revert back to that clutch and grab style of hockey only a coach would enjoy.

    We’ll be seeing a snooze-fest tonight but tonight ought to be a good one for those in need of a nap.

  35. Lafleurguy says:

    Sumo, Just Me, enjoyed reading your posts, gents. And thanks Sumo for the link to Coach’s Corner, first time I’ve watched an entire segment since he called three retired enforcers pukes, and a year after three died at young ages.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  36. Bash says:

    Test

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Abraham Maslow, The Psychology of Science, 1966, page 15 and his earlier book Abraham H. Maslow (1962), Toward a Psychology of Being:

      I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail.

  37. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ JUST ME

    Your blanket statement about Cherry may not be 100% accurate.

    You say, “… The doubts about the risks involved with head shots and the sheer existence of fighting in hockey is largely due to HIS way of seeing hockey…”

    And what does Don Cherry actually say about headshots?

    “…What I want to get out is blindside hits,” added Cherry. “That’s the killers. The one like (Pittsburgh’s Matt) Cooke did on (Boston’s Marc) Savard — he should have got 20 games. Any guy who does that blindside hit — the other guy doesn’t have a chance.”

    ” Blindside hits are the ones you should get — head first into the boards — that’s the guys you should go after.”

    http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2196824-don-cherry-says-only-way-to-prevent-headshots-is-to-eliminate-hitting-/

    As for blaming Cherry for fighting and the promotion of it, poll after poll of the players themselves – the NHLP it self, shows overwhelming support – some as high as 98%.

    Until the players decide a ban on fighting – or at least a ban on what could be determined ‘staged fights,’ it’s not going to go away.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhlers-overwhelmingly-want-fighting-to-stay-poll-1.986982

    EX:
    What does a guy like Jarome Iginla think about it?
    And he is a skilled player that has played in the NHL since 1996 with 1328 games played.
    It’s an opinion to be noted.

    ” Does fighting still have a place in today’s NHL? My answer is a qualified yes,” Iginla said “I temper my response because I don’t know of any player who truly loves fighting. Ideally it would not be a part of the game. But the nature of our sport is such that fighting actually curtails many dirty plays that could result in injuries.”

    “If [fighting] was taken out of the game, I believe there would be more illegal stickwork, most of it done out of sight of the referees; more slashes to the ankles or wrists, and in between pads; and more cross checks to the tailbone,” he wrote. “Incidents of players taking such liberties are rare in today’s game because fighting gives us the ability to hold each other accountable. If you play dirty, you’re going to have to answer for it.”

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/9981354/jarome-iginla-fighting-makes-hockey-safer

    Lastly, go listen to what Brendan Galagher had to say about the presence of George Parros in the line up last Saturday night.
    “…George had a huge impact. On the bench we were all loving it, He going to get us that respect out there.”

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      You’re right that the problem is the entire culture of the game. It’s mobster mentality. Why doesn’t any other sport need enforcers? Why doesn’t college hockey?

      Re: Cherry , there’s still his utter lack of professionalism.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Dipsy

        It’s all in the players’ hands.
        If they wanted, they could change the game tomorrow.

        If you want to know about the NHLPA mind set, they refused to sign off on the new head shot rule a couple of years ago unless the susensions were under 5 games for non repeat offenders…that’s why we see the 2-3 game laugh suspensions while a skill player is out with a concussion.
        Pure idiocy

      • wjc says:

        College hockey? College hockey?…..Ya gotta have some edge in the game…..forgettaboutit…..translation forget about it.

        Ya wanna turn it into curling, both played on ice, one is very polite.

        wjc

    • Cal says:

      Hey Ronn. Cherry belongs back in 1950. Why the hell he’s still on the airwaves is a testament to CBC’s lack of a pair. He plays to that crowd of quiet racists and WWE followers who think hockey should incorporate that bs.
      If I brawl in the street, I get thrown in jail with a pile of charges laid against me. If hockey players fight on the ice, it’s rewarded with applause or stunned silence when one of the combatants is taken off on a stretcher.
      Cherry wants to get rid of blind side hits? Bullshit. His rock’em sock’em dvds rely upon it.
      He’s talked long enough on the air. It’s time to give our ears a rest.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi Cal

        We have choices – We have TV remotes be it for Don Cherry or fighting in general.

        The choice from here is not to watch Cherry (or very rarely like last Saturday night) and when a staged fight breaks out, I usually get up and walk around for a minute until the ice chips settle.

        Cherry will be gone when the advertisers and paying people decide he needs to go.
        Here’s hoping a political persuasion is not numbing your always good logic.

        • Cal says:

          I haven’t watched him for over twenty years. It just perturbs me that the blowhard hasn’t done like the laffs. (Dry up and blow away)

          When Parros and Orr decided to fight, I took the time to get some chips and a brew. And I checked the weather report. By then, they decided to play hockey again.

          • Just a Habs Fan says:

            Why do you think he is so brutal if you never watch him…I seldom watch him as well and I think he is who he is because of the responses he gets…controvery creates response…response equal viewers…views create ratings….well most often anyhow. Don is not always brutal…every once in awhile he does make sense.

            As far as fighting well we all have opinions and as Ron says we all have remotes.

          • Cal says:

            @Just- Cherry’s been brutal for too long. Same old song and dance.
            Question for you: Why does HNIC promote brutality on the ice? Why are less and less Canadian parents enrolling their kids in minor hockey programs? Why does HNIC employ former goons and thugs as “analysts?”
            I am for a physical game that doesn’t resort to the baser methods of play.
            Cherry makes money off of players’ misfortunes on the ice.

      • wjc says:

        Are two white people the same race, can they be racists against each other because they speak different languages. Because P.K. is black and you criticize him does that make you racists. Hockey is from the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s and very little has changed, still played on ice, most goals win.

        Hockey is a spectical, when was the last time you saw a brawl in a game. When was the last time to teams had a big fight on the street.

        People bought the video’s because people like to watch hitting and for Christmas. You want to give your ears a rest, stop listening….it is so easy.

        wjc

    • Phil C says:

      I believe Iginla is right in that if you removed fighting, there would be certain players who would suddenly become brave and the stickwork would increase. However, seeing that 60% of the fighting is done by 2-3 players per team, and that most of those players would now be out of a job and replaced by more skilled players, I believe that the net result would be less violence in the game. A higher standard of sportsmanship would be required which should reduce the violence overall. Many fights are staged, goon vs goon, and many more are simply out of frustration, not “policing”, which are both unnecessary violence and would be eliminated.

      No stickwork would be out of sight of the cameras.

      I just don’t buy that the game becomes more violent without fighting. It reminds me of the guns argument where gun activists say that the only way to reduce gun violence is with more guns.

      • Cal says:

        I’d rather see two hockey players solve their disagreements with better checking, harder work, and more skill. Instead, it’s reduced to a couple of players that see 5 minutes of ice time or less to “change the outcome of the game.” Goons accomplish nothing. They do waste time, though.
        On the other hand, if the laffs and Boston and Ottawa insist, the Habs must have an answer for it. It’s a stalemate.

        • wjc says:

          I think they could talk it over after the game over a cup of coffee. Goons keep the non goons from playing like goons, because the goons are watching and hoping for an excuse. Please discuss this with Nilan if you get a chance. Nilan did not let anyone threaten Lafluer. Ferguson did not let anyone bother Mr. Beliveau. Williams did not take kindly to anyone harrasing Sittler.

          How much mayhem and injure do they prevent, you will never know because it is not a safe place to find yourself. Testing the limits.

          wjc

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi Phil

        It’s a real tough argument any way you look at.
        If fighting gets eliminated, then a whole new set of rules and enforcement would be necessary concerning hitting from behind-high sticking-spearing-slashing…and any other cheap shot you can come up with.

        In the end, it’s really up to 3 entities.
        The NHLPA, the season ticket holder, and the advertisers.

    • JUST ME says:

      Maritime Ronn

      I agree 100 % that the whole solution remains within the NHLPA`s hands . The day they decide to respect themselves hockey will change for the better and nobody will regret it.

      As for Cherry it is easy to take citations from him but one must place them in their proper time frame. He is often forced to take on a subject that he tried to avoid or to make corrections on his own comments that were not clear enough. Cherry promotes violence and so does HNIC with their saturday night`s alright for fighting theme and highlights of the best hits.
      Cherry is kept there because he is controversial not for his views on situation or grasp of the game. They should take the opportunity to offer him a long overdue retirement.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi Just

        Hitting – that is clean, solid, legal hitting is not violence. It’s part of the game. Above, you saw what Cherry has said about hitting from behind and head shots.

        Fighting – Yes, he does promote it, yet that also is part of the game…for now.

        As for his popularity, people probably watch him for different reasons….40 years ago, I can remember watching Chuck Barris ‘s Gong Show.

    • wjc says:

      Excellent post.

      wjc

  38. John Q Public says:

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  39. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning

    Very nice interview of Brendan Gallagher after the Leafs game on RDS Antichambre

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/brendan-gallagher-une-peste-dans-l-antichambre-3.897809

    Some intersting insights from the young man and the panel.
    Looking at Gallagher is a real wake up call as to how young some of these guys are.
    Even with his Movember stache, he doesn’t look a day over….17.

    What a nice respectful young man that was confirmed by Mathieu Darche and their time together at training camp.

  40. JUST ME says:

    I can`t find the proper words to try to understand why 43 % of us would still want Don Cherry to remain on HNIC.

    I do recognize that an editorial comment is necessary to express views from outside the NHL itself.
    I just think that Cherry is so passé.,borderline racist and clearly a controversial redneck who gets much more credit than he deserves. I think hockey is somewhere else than Cherry says it is. The doubts about the risks involved with head shots and the sheer existence of fighting in hockey is largely due to his way of seeing hockey that dates to decades ago.
    I do not know why he is so influencial if not for the fact that HNIC gives him a tribune that resembles more of a clown act than an actual real view of hockey as it is in 2013.
    Is it because of a lack of a better replacement that people vote for Cherry to stay ? I would not be able to suggest someone to take his place but maybe just maybe it is not necessary anymore and as much as the sport has nothing to do with what it was a decade ago maybe it`s image in Canada needs to be refreshed.

  41. jols101 says:

    A Monday night game. A rare treat. I’m pumped. Devil’s play such a boring, trap-type game but it is sure better than no game at all.

    We have been on a nice run. I still don’t think we are a true contender. I maintain we are still 2 or 3 years away. However, winning is always better than losing, so let’s keep it going.

    If Bergevin is really itching to make a move I hope he doesn’t move anyone 26 or under. We have a good young nucleus that could be dominant in 2 or 3 years. I hope Tinordi and Beaulieu are untouchable as well. Dumping a veteran or two that aren’t in the long-term plans for a younger player or draft picks is the way to go. I hope Bergevin stays the course.

    • doc359 says:

      The only people I would be willing to trade are Gionta (for something good), Bourque, Briere, Murray, and Boullion. The last two I don’t see having much value. I honestly don’t know what we would need either.

      Do we go for a top 9 forward to play on the Eller or Plex line? we may have that with Bourque back.

      Do we get a defensman? Gorges Emelin and Diaz have all done quite well in a top 4 role, and we have an elite pairing in Subban and Markov, so not a huge need there.

  42. The Jackal says:

    Hey HIO, not to stoke the fires of the dormant MT-PK debate, but our good ole coach is on record saying:
    “The way he’s playing right now, Subban is making a great case for the Olympic team,” Therrien told reporters Thursday. “We want him to go there.”

    Just saying… I think it’s safe to say MT and PK are on the same page.
    Good to hear too, I really hope PK makes the team, but I don’t think MT’s decisions are that much of a make or break issue on that matter.

    ______________________
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  43. NLhabsfan says:

    So happy to see the Sens lose..just gives me that smile before I hit the pillow.Couldn’t happen to a better coach.

  44. Sportfan says:

    Over 11 million Canadians watched the Grey Cup at one point, really good numbers!

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  45. Timo says:

    Ohh… and senaturds lose. Also a good thing.

  46. Timo says:

    Say what you will about Parros, but the only reason Orr wasn’t going out of his way head hunting last night is because Parros was there. Same goes for jerks like Kadri and Phaneuf… Murray, Moen, Prust… size matters (that’s what she said)

  47. Timo says:

    Tried to team my 4 year old how to skate tonight. i think my back is broken. I need a massage… pronto.

  48. SUMO says:

    The most recent Coach’s Corner;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZLKGRXFE0

    At the end of the day, we’re all employees. Cherry telling his new employers to leave his segment alone because he’s is so good, doesn’t go over very well in any business. Try telling your boss the same thing and you will learn who is really in charge in a hurry. He is a loose canon and his ego and pride are about to be in for a rude awakening. He is not bigger than the game, only his fat head thinks it is.

    What really pisses me off was his comments about the concussion lawsuit. Is there a more ignorant view? He’s calling out some of the journeymen players as nothing more than money grabbing parasites is out right hypocritical. For years he portrayed himself to be the self-proclaimed champion of the gritty Canadian grinder and now; like he did to Nilan, Grimson and Thompson; he is throwing them under the bus. How much did these guys endure just to get to the NHL? Even if its only 1-game its still takes years of hard-work and sacrifice to get to that level.

    I only hope when this lawsuit gets settled that they take the $$ from the Rock’em Sock’em videos to pay for the players claims. Nothing would be more poetic justice than having the chief violence peddler/enabler to be taken off his high horse. You want to sell the fights and the hard hits, well then compensate the guys who sacrificed their bodies to make it happen.

  49. Sportfan says:

    Habs have a lot of Hockey this week its a bit crazy, hopefully they can all stay healthy.

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  50. Stevie.Ray says:

    Rogers should produce a Behind the Music-esque show where they focus on former superstar NHLers and what happened to behind the scenes to make their career go into a tail spin.

    Episode 1: Dany Heatley
    Episode 2: Theo Fleury
    Episode 3: Ilya Kovalchuk
    Episode 4: Jaromir Jagr (this one might have a happy ending)
    Episode 5: Eric Lindros
    Episode 6: Sean Avery
    Episode 7: Alexandre Daigle
    Episode 8: Scott Gomez
    Episode 9: Rick Dipietro

  51. HardHabits says:

    On Toughness:

    I like the dimension Parros brings but IMHHO the still Habs need more muscle on the team. It obviously helps when said muscle has speed and skill. Look at the difference having Emelin back brings. His hard hitting style coupled with his play making abilities makes him a valuable addition. As for the value of physicality, the addition of Murray to the mix shows noticeable impact. A player like Tinordi entering the fray could conceivably add another dimension of physicality. Even Beaulieu can bring it.

    I think team toughness is something that should be spread about and not hinged on one or two tough guys. Having those one or two tough guys though, does help. Nevertheless, because of the skill factor coupled with a more determined and tenacious go for the win as opposed to play to not lose mentality, the Habs are looking more and more like a team that is intent on being properly built for the long grind of the play-offs.

    Definitely a good esprit de corps developing. Steady as she goes… full steam ahead.

    • dr. gesundheit says:

      re a supporting cast (incl. Tinordi and Beaulieu)…I think it’s more about emboldening them and giving them the confidence to play a more physical game knowing that it’s a team trait and not just a trait confined to 1 or 2 other players …i.e. there’s lotsa backup.

      it can be contagious

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Not easily found what you wish for, don’t disagree, but doesn’t every GM wish for that? Thankfully it appears our team is indeed agreeing with this philosophy.

      • HardHabits says:

        It’s better than being in denial about it, which it appears the last regime was, up until it was too late. And yes I agree it is not easily fixed and can’t be repaired over night but the process is in place to correct this deficiency and steps are being made in the right direction. All this is being done without giving up on speed and skill. It’s a slow build but a more complete and solid one.

        My calculations show that if the Habs can play a more disciplined game and take less penalties they will score more goals and would jump further up the standings. However, they have to do this without reneging on their defensive prowess to be successful.

    • sheds88 says:

      hate to say it, but boston is a good model for team toughness.

  52. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    This is an example of a honourable fighter…not that animal Orr.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5zL7AxgjsI#t=86

  53. naweed235 says:

    Do any of you fine citizens of HIO know of a way I can watch game from last night? I was at my company’s Christmas party and it seems like I missed the best game of the year. Thanks in advance for any ideas

  54. CHicoHab says:

    Habsfan0. I hope Ford attends all remaining home Leaf games!

  55. scarboro_habitant says:

    a player who the habs should maybe take a look at is vrbata. he quietly puts up some points, plays RW, is a UFA and could probably be had without giving up too much but definitely wont come for free. also, gaborik is another player who is in a similar situation that could turn out to be a good move and probably wont cost a whole lot.

  56. Strummer says:

    I like the way Eller plays- his speed, physicality, compete level, but I’m wondering does he have the “hands” to be a complete player or specifically a #1 centre?

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    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  57. habsfan0 says:

    Rob Ford attends Bills game wearing Bills jersey,Bills lose.
    Rob Ford attends Argos game wearing Argos jersey,Argos lose.

    As a Habs fan,I hope Mayor Ford attends all 3 Montreal Toronto games at the ACC later this season wearing a Leafs jersey.

  58. Casanova says:

    Do you think 2 roster players (Gionta, Bourque, Gorges, Diaz) and 1 top prospect or pick (Tinordi, Beaulieu, 1st rounder) whould be enough for Yakupov?

  59. Mavid says:

    what a wonderful win..love beating the Leafs..

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  60. HabinBurlington says:

    I don’t buy the Colton Orr B.S, that he made sure Parros fell on him. If the jackass actually cared about that he would have thought differently about pulling Parros head into ice last time. If he is suddenly cognoscenti to ensure such safety he doesn’t play the role of dirty S.O.B. last time. Looked to me like Parros controlled where he landed knowing Orr will do anything for an advantage.

    • RAM_TOUGH says:

      AND invisible Phil Kessel dodged the media. Little coward!

      Guts-Glory-Ram

    • Strummer says:

      I get the impression sometimes that all the heavyweight stage-fighter types, the guys that play 5 minutes a night like Orr and Parros are all in on a big con to try and preserve their jobs. They mainly wrestle and throw hardly any punches.

      Sort of like Andy Kaufman and Jerry “The King” Lawlor when they had their fake TV feud way back

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The more I watched how fights finished after Parros injury, more I noticed how many Leaf players just “happened” to grab opposing player jersey and pull down. I make no bones about it, I hate the Leafs, just as I don’t,doubt how dirty they can be.

    • mdp2011 says:

      From Parros’s wife on twitter:

      @tparros: This whole ‘protected’ george’s head thing makes me laugh #arewelookingatsamething #stopreaching

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The same “honourable” Orr who almost took out Plekanec’s knees and sucker-punched Bourque into a long concussion injury…give me a break.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      I am a Habs fan but not so much as to be in denial about what I see…..Colton Orr did move his hand to keep Parros’s face from hitting the ice If you watch that fight
      on Hockeyfights.com and don’t see that perhaps you ought to invest in glasses

  61. frontenac1 says:

    I love RG3 but will his knee and the rest of his body last the season?

  62. frontenac1 says:

    Damn I like RG3 but will his knee and the rest of his body make it through this year?

  63. commandant says:

    The Habs specififc podcast is also up today, recorded earlier.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/12/01/habsworld-podcast-episode-22/

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  64. Marc10 says:

    Hey… We just keep winning!

    Canadiens beat the Nucks for Movember fund raising. Canucks’ colours get an upgrade on Twitter for a day and their team wins… Coincidence? Don’t think so…

    http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouvelles/les-canucks-doivent-maintenant-utiliser-les-couleu-285443.html

  65. jols101 says:

    Alfie scores the empty netter to ice it for the Red Wings over the Sens. How fitting.

  66. Curtoph says:

    Just came back from a weekend in Montreal, saw the Habs vs. Leafs at the Bell Centre, and boy was I glad they won!

    Funny, TSN Reporters saying Montreal is the best Canadian team right now, but they are also saying it doesn’t mean much.

    Great game, hope we keep on rolling,

    Cheers

  67. Hobie Hansen says:

    Being at the game last night was a real treat. I think that’s the loudest I’ve ever heard the Bell Centre. When George Parros and Colton Orr went at it the roof nearly blew off the building. What an atmosphere. It was awesome giving it to all the Leafs fans.

  68. PeterD says:

    The poll re: Don Cherry…

    I think both Don Cherry and his sad sack co-host Ron MaClean are past their due date and belong to a by gone era when rock ‘em sock ‘em, helmets were optional, visors didn’t exist and every team had the requisite number ofgoons to take part in the eventual bench clearing line brawls.

    That erawith its “code” is gone and thank God.
    Todays NHL certainly isn’t perfect and likely never will be. But it is a work in progress.
    Trying to make the game faster and skill based where finese players can doodle and dipsy is a good thing. A game where your best players are exciting to watch for the moves and plays they make and not for how often they drop the gloves and fight is what the upcoming generation wants to see.
    Don Cherry just doesn’t get that.
    Most nights he is ranting or showcasing a bottom six forward or a botton 2 defenseman likening the player yo his once and great AHL playing days.

    Personally to me he is a most embarrassing spokes person for his brand of hockey…it is clear to most yhst he is sn embarrassment to the league with is anti change babbling on CBC.

    My hope is that with the Rogers TV deal that they finally cut this guy loose and inject some new blood to fill the space where his horrendous suits once sat.

    Thats my take on the poll at least.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I hope you’re right about the poll, PeterD.

      Your view that the NHL is a work in progress (ie. trying to cut out the gratuitous dirty hits, fighting, and brain injuries?) would be pretty much at odds with my own woefully cynical view. I think the league believes it NEEDS all that negative stuff in order to keep its stake-holders content. Any NHL-generated impressions to the contrary are to me just window-dressing.

    • ffenliv says:

      I think, as you say, Cherry his well past his expiry date.

      I do like Maclean though, and always have. He’s reliably non-partisan. He just directs traffic.

      It’s like Bob Cole: his voice is the voice of hockey for me. Sadly, though, he’s losing it, and really shouldn’t be on the air.

      I see Maclean the same way, only he isn’t so old as to forget the teams playing in front of him.

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        Maclean is an “intellectual”… or at least he has read a lot. And his mind goes in several directions.
        He likes to quote poetry, or famous sayings, and often most people are like “…uh, what?” It doesn’t help that he often inserts these quotes in the middle of a discussion, and it completely catches people off guard.
        He also likes to throw out interesting trivia. I remember one time he said something along the lines of, “The kids playing in the intro are from Sherwood, Ontario. In 1931, Sherwood began producing hockey sticks from the Elm trees that grew near by. Up until that point they were mostly made up of maple. In 1996, Al MacInnis won the hardest shot with a Sherwood stick. His partner was a young Chris Pronger, from Dryden Ontario, had a brother that worked at the saw mill. And they would cut the trees and send the wood over Sherwood. The mill went out of business in 1999, and is now a tractor dealership. Most of their tractors are sold to Alberta, and tonight we have Calgary vs Edmonton!” My head was swimming after he laid out so many connections, and it was all for the most part entirely irrelevant information.

        But what I will say I like about MacLean is that he recognizes that, while it is just a game, it binds all Canadians. It isn’t the NFL where a bunch of guys play for the money. This is Canada’s sport where we can watch our neighbours play in the big leagues (That’s why he always says which small town each player is from). Hockey Night in Canada to Ron MacLean is about Canada, not hockey, and I think he is the best at keeping things in perspective and showing the best aspects of Canadians beyond hockey, through hockey.

        That’s why I hope he remains. He may not know much about hockey all of the time, but he understands Canada.

  69. Un Canadien errant says:

    Same old infuriating Chargers this season. Go into Kansas City last week and hang fourty points on the Chiefs for the win, then score only seven points at home in a loss to the Bungles.

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    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  70. kalevine says:

    Happy to see the Habs winning lately. I have barely seen any of those wins, and I did see the Washington loss, so I may continue to watch less :)

    But seriously, on the surface it looks like habs are winning in much the same way they did last year, by taking early leads and making life miserable for the opponent thereafter. Two questions:
    1) do you think this version of the team has it in them to mount some comebacks when they inevitably fall behind here and there.
    2) do you think this team has the physical toughness, barring injuries, to avoid a potential first (or second) round beating?

    • Marc10 says:

      1) Yes, but maybe not against the high powered teams out West like St Louis and SJ…

      2) Yes. We have more depth. It will come down to Price and special teams as we’re still not great at scoring 5 on 5.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Further to your Yes to 2): the recent upgrades and improvement on D — as well as Price’s resurgence — mean that we can more readily afford to play high-risk offense in a catch-up situation.

    • JUST ME says:

      Difficult to answer your first question because they have taken the lead in most games they have played this season and never really fell behind early enough in the game to make a comeback possible. I think they can if they want and quite honestly i hope that they get to test that possibility because this is an important phase in building a strong team. They have been in every game they played this season and although on the losing side of things never have been overpowered.

      Question 2 my answer would be positive. If they stay healthy they can show different set ups and adjust to many type of games. They can show a speedy and skilled team or a tough and tight unit. So far the defensive unit including the goalers have been outstanding and kept the Habs on top or very close so if it continues…

      • kalevine says:

        agreed about question 1, and I feel that’s the way it was last year. I don’t think they were a big comeback team, and they often seemed to be up in the game before the opponent had pulled on their second sleeve. And coming back is a sign of the character you need. Let’s hope we see some of that so they can gain their confidence

    • Phil C says:

      1) Although they have yet to come back while trailing after the second period this year, they had 4 comeback wins last year which put them 7th in the league. Now that they have a healthy roster, I think you will see more comeback wins.

      That being said, they don’t really have any elite, game-breaking talent, a player who is dangerous every time he is on the ice (although Pacioretty keeps getting better). So when the other team shortens its bench, the Habs’ balanced attack is no longer an advantage and the value of elite players becomes even more important. That’s why I wouldn’t mind if they try to pick up Vanek and try to sign him. He is the best UFA available and has game-breaking talent . If they were able to sign him, it would be worth the rental cost. I’m afraid the price may be ridiculous however.

      2) With Murray, Emelin, a healthy Prust, and Parros if required, they are much tougher than in last year’s playoffs. The Habs just got into injury trouble at the worst possible time last year.

      I thought last night against the Leafs that the Habs were not intimidated at all, if anything, it was the other way around. I saw Phaneuf calm down rather suddenly several times when Prust arrived in the scrum. Murray buried Kadri with a big body check, one of their skilled players; no one on the Leafs went after him.

      As well, both Gionta and Gallagher punch well above their weight class, so they are not lacking as much toughness up front as it looks on paper. (Toughness, as in the ability to play well in the dirty areas.) They also have a mobile defense (minus Murray), so they would be a tough team to forecheck if a bigger team tried to run them down.

  71. 24 Cups says:

    I’ll settle for 5 out of 8 points as long as 3 of those come against New Jersey. That would basically end any chance of them taking away a playoff spot from Montreal.

  72. Propwash says:

    Reposting from previous thread.

    Some banter from me and a friend who’s a leaf fan…

    I posted on Facebook, a picture of my son waving a Habs foam finger saying “He knows who’s the best team in the NHL”

    Buddy- “Pfft give him a Leafs foam finger too and then we’ll talk.”

    Me- “Pfft the only person who deserves to flaunt a Leafs foam finger is Miley Cyrus.”

    Buddy- “Ohhhhhhhhh! Lol.”

    ____________________
    DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

    • Marc10 says:

      Well played.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Prop. I saw the photo and thought it was awesome! You’re raising the young one right!

    • Reflektor says:

      Nice repost. May as well add mine to the mix:

      Good for the one and probably only Tranna fan for saying something remotely decent. The majority of them are complete morons (based on their disgusting online comments) that have no clue about the game and are classless and clueless, maybe even more than most Bruins fans, imagine that. The attempt at word filth and pure hatred spewed by these so-called fans is like the spectacle of a car crash. You kinda wonder how the crash happened, you think about who might be seriously injured (in the head) but you gawk at the gore. Need more proof? Head over to the ‘respected’, ‘national’, Globe and Mail. The proverbial idiots are running the lemming asylum and even funnier, there’s some self-labelled Habs fans that suck up to the Leafers sickening arguments and they make true Canadiens fans look like lost sheep. Sad but true.

      • Marc10 says:

        I’m no longer bothered by what TO fans say or do. Their team just put down stupid money on a bag of rocks named Clarkson and they’re about to do the same with Princess Dion.

        I look forward to ten years of uninterrupted dominance over their pitiful franchise as they sit in idle just outside the playoffs and listen to yammerings of old man Cherry (as the Don slides progressively into cranky old conservative man dementia…)

        We’ve got this. PK is going to rain down bullets from the point on these mofos for the next 10+ years. I hope they enjoy it. Oh, and thanks for not drafting the local kid Tranna. We’re forever grateful!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I agree about the David Clarkson contract and putative Dion Phaneuf contracts being anchors around the Leafs’ necks. I understand the benefit of sewing up your assets, but sometimes you’re better off letting players walk when they’re not cost-effective, as the Canadiens did this spring by not qualifying Yannick Weber.

          Last summer, the Jets signed some middling players to expensive deals to retain them, and I understand they have a problem attracting free agents, but that was a lot of coin for Blake Wheeler, Bryan Little and Tobias Enstrom. When average players are all using your cap space, you don’t have any room left for genuine stars or big trades, or keeping your young guys coming off Entry Level Contracts.

          http://www.capgeek.com/jets/

          And looking at Mr. Enstrom’s new contract, I think Andrei Markov will be getting a raise.

  73. JohninTruro says:

    Reway does it AGAIN. Scores the tying goal with a second left in the game to send the game to OT.

  74. Un Canadien errant says:

    Loving the tone on HIO lately.

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    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Marc10 says:

      Agreed.

      As Charlie Sheen would tell you… it’s all about ‘winning’.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good, UCE.
      Now explain to me and Bill, what’s the story with je m’en fou?
      Why do maritime francos laugh at Bill for saying it? Why did a French teacher on exchange from France tell me not to say it? I smell linguistic conspiracy!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I don’t have an answer for that. As far as I know it’s a legitimate idiom, it means “I don’t give a ‘F'”, but more politely. Maybe it was a pronunciation thing with Bill?

        I like the “Je ne care pas” though. A lot of my buddies use that kind of humourous French when I’m around. One of them will say: “Zut alors!” once in a while, but deliberately pronounce it as “Zoot uh-lorss!”

        ———————————————————————–
        … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • frontenac1 says:

        Lance pas des patates Mon amis.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Good advice! Better to keep them for making poutine!

        • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

          Isn’t it “Lache-pas la patate”, meaning “don’t give up”?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4GtsNvykg

          Hey lâche pas la patate mon neg,’ lâche pas la patate
          Une chose qui est claire je fais mon affaire mais je lâche pas la patate.
          Je vas au bal tous les samedis pour secouer mes vieilles bottes.
          Et je danse avec toutes les belles filles mais je lâche pas la patate.

          Un soir au bal un petit buggy un gros l’a pris à se battre.
          Je voulais que le petit bull qui gagne je crie lâche pas la patate.
          Le gros bull m’a regardé et dit espère que je te rattrape.
          Je m’est reviré de bord j’ai couru fort j’ai lâché la patate.
          Oui j’ai lâché la patate mon neg’ j’ai lâché la patate.
          Une chose qui est claire je fais mon affaire et j’ai lâché la patate.
          Oui j’ai lâché la patate mon neige j’ai lâché la patate.
          Une chose qui est claire je fais mon affaire mais je lâche pas la patate.


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