Former Habs goalie coach lands job in Germany

Former Canadiens goalie coach Pierre Groulx has landed a new job with Red Bull Munich in Germany’s elite DEL under head coach Pierre Pagé.

“Pierre asked me to come to Munich with them,” Groulx told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs from Port Colborne, Ont., while taking a short break during his weeklong, first annual PG’s Goalies netminding camp.

“I told him I’d like to make sure to explore all my options, but he never let off. He really wanted me to go. It came to a point where I realized this might be a good opportunity for me to go overseas and learn the ways of European goaltending.

“At the end of the day, Munich was a very good offer to take care of my family. And professionally, it’s a really good opportunity to expand my horizons in Europe.”

Groulx added that he was baffled by negative comments from another former Habs goalie coach, Rollie Melanson, about Groulx’s work with Carey Price. Melanson was quoted saying: “Carey hasn’t stopped deteriorating since I left.”

Said Groulx: “To be honest, I was floored by (the comments). It probably took me longer to get up from that than from getting fired.”

Sportsnet’s Jeff Simmons wrote an article this week on NHL goalie rankings and had Price rated as “Top of the line”, below “The elite” ranking, which included the New York Rangers’ Henrik Lundqvist, Los Angeles Kings’ Jonathan Quick and Nashville Predators’ Pekka Rinne.

Boston’s Tuukka Rask, Ottawa’s Craig Anderson, Detroit’s Jimmy Howard and San Jose’s Antti Niemi joined Price in the “Top of the line” rating.

(Photo by Allen McInnis/The Gazette)

Groulx heads to Germany, by Dave Stubbs

Groulx still ‘baffled’ by Melanson comments, by Dave Stubbs

NHL goalie rankings, Sportsnet


  1. sweetmad says:

    I don’t post too often but I love this site,was reading for years before I signed on,the trouble is being on the west coast a lot of the conversations have been and gone when I get on here.
    There are a few of us HABS fans this side of the rockies we should hold our own summit when the HABS play the Nucks,proberly too late for this year as I have to save up enough for ticket,but maybe next year,if I am still here I will arrange it.

  2. Bill says:

    Great post sweetmad.

  3. Bill says:

    @Trini: Spot on about how little conservative Republicans actually act conservatively. Dreaming about federal statutes banning abortion, marriage, wanting to enshrine Christianity into the constitution etc … Thomas Jefferson would be appalled.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      You forgot the most important thing to Republicans…guns.

      Ka is a wheel.

      “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
      Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

      For Your Life

      • Ed says:

        Zep, some of the biggest gun supporters are registered Democrats. Canadians assume that Republicans support guns and Democrats are opposed. In fact, it has more to do with geography than it does with political party affiliation.

        For example, Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, a Democrat through and through, supports guns and gun ownership. Why? Because he represents his constituents in Nevada who require him to do so. The voters in Nevada overwhelmingly support gun ownership.

        Same is true for Gabrielle Giffords from Arizona. She was shot in the head, as you know, and she is a proud gun owner. I saw an interview with her recently and she stated she is looking forward to firing her gun as soon as she is well enough.

        Bill, not too many want to ban abortion altogether. But do you agree in abortion at 20 + weeks? The unborn is 5+ months at that time. I have a problem with unlimited abortions, myself. I think most agree that if the mother or baby are in a health crisis that there should be no issue. If there is a rape or incest. But I can not support the idea of unlimited abortions.

        There’s my take on a few issues. I guess I’m not as far to the Left as most of you guys.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          I guess that’s why Bill left that out then.

          I just see and hear more Republicans getting upset whenever someone wants to ban their precious semi-automatic kill sticks.

          Ka is a wheel.

          “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
          Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

          For Your Life

  4. Bill says:

    Nano science, politics, amazing essays by UCE and CautiousOptimist … this site is the best. Thought I had logged on to some intellectual think-tank blog for a minute.

    A lot of people don’t like August on HIO for the lack of hockey news, but personally, I love it! I don’t need to read thirty posts about how much Desharnais sucks anyway. Keep the interesting stuff coming guys!

    My day will be complete if I can read one of Timo’s acerbic put-downs. Just for fun.

    • Thanks Bill! There are an awful lot of smart successful members of this little community — if we ever put our minds to something positive, instead of making jokes about BGL’s veggie burgers, we could change the world. : )

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Thanks Bill.

      I just started “A Widow for One Year” last night, only a few pages in, and I think I’m going to like it. Classic John Irving feel, I’m stoked. I’m really mad that “A Son of the Circus” made me shelve this book for a while.

      SmartDog, I had to put down Dean Koontz’ “Life Expectancy”, I won’t finish it. I got about 50 pages in, wasn’t taken by the characters or the plot or the writing itself. And then a gangster used the word “quiff” while talking with an accomplice, and it was just so inept, so jarring that he’d use that slang, I gave up. I see how it does compare to “Owen Meany” a little bit, the surreal element, that had some promise, but I can’t go through with it.

      So my reading list has one check mark on it, 200 or so to go.

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    Great discussion on the Hockey Canada story.

    One thing I notice out here in BC is that for the most part, the climate doesn’t lend itself to outdoor rinks, so most of the hockey is played at the arena. That’s a barrier to entry in itself. Having to go to a building that you’ve never been to before, it’s alien, there’s a cost, you might never do it unless a friend takes you. In the rest of Canada, and certainly in my youth when winters weren’t as mild as they are today, there are outdoor rinks that people can just walk to and put on some skates and hop on, and play some shinny at, maybe even some organized games, so that makes the sport accessible. As a kid, I played my league games on Sundays, but Saturdays were free, so I’d spend all afternoon on an outdoor rink playing shinny with a dogpile of other kids. You had to learn to stickhandle and be quick, or you never had the puck.

    Whistler has a large transient population, young people come here from the UK, Australia, New Zealand and parts unknown to work for a winter in a ski resort, and they love it, they’re up for anything. Most of them embrace the hockey, they know that’s part of Canadian life, and they all try to make a trip to Vancouver to catch a Canucks game, they’ll go to the rink to watch some rec league or men’s league hockey. Women’s hockey is very popular, the dudes go watch their girlfriends play, so co-workers get brought along and watch the games.

    The thing is though, few of them ever get a chance to try hockey, it’s not that accessible. Well, it is, there’s public skate sessions every day for a minimal cost, and regularly a portion of the ice is fenced off for beginner shinny. There’s also drop-in hockey, and a couple of shops will outfit you with the basics, so you can as a beginner play some, it’s certainly cheaper than going snowboarding or skiing for the day. But for whatever reason, hockey is more the domain of people who have played as kids, few adults pick it up, I can think of very few people who have.

    One exception is how every year we have a Snowboard Instructors game, Blackcomb against Whistler, and all the kids are so into it. All the Aussies and the Brits and the Japanese kids know about the game, we talk it up, we say that everyone is welcome, and they take it seriously, they show up to public skate a few times to ‘practice’, some go as far as to show up for a novice drop-in hockey session or two. The game itself is a riot, everyone has a great time, laughing the whole way, and the stands are packed with fans and actual cheerleaders, the Whistler vs. Blackcomb ‘rivalry’ being evident. Actually, it’s not much of a rivalry, Whistler has never beaten us, not even close, but it’s all for fun. Who keeps score? (We do, and it’s never pretty.)

    The big takeaway though is how much pure fun hockey is, the speed of the game, the sensation of flying on the ice. That gets lost sometimes, we talk about soccer taking over, it’s cheaper, it’s worldwide, it’s a better workout, blah blah blah. I’ve played a bit of league soccer as a kid, and lots more when I lived abroad, or just in gym class or recreationally, and sure it’s fun in a way, but in another more accurate way, it isn’t fun. It’s a slog and it’s slow and for most people running isn’t fun.

    Hockey is instant fun. All the snowboard instructors crave that gliding sensation, that feeling of speed, and they get it with hockey, and they’re hooked, they want more once they try it.

    About once every three years or so, we get a winter that sets up properly, when the lakes aren’t frozen yet, and then we get a weeklong cold snap with no snow, and all of a sudden we have some amazing ice to skate on. It used to be phone and word of mouth, but nowadays it’s email and facebook, and when the ice is ready to skate on it’s on, you get some of the most awesome hockey ever, on a sheet of ice that goes forever, you can deke and skate away from anyone, there’s always more room. You’re surrounded by snowcapped mountains, in the fresh air, all your friends are there, you see the same faces with some newcomers, everyone smiling.

    The game itself is magic, it’s fun in terms of the sport, but the actual sensation of skating appeals to us on an instinctive, emotional level, and none of the grass sports can match that. Hockey has that huge competitive advantage that other sports don’t have.

    So Hockey Canada has a lot of work to do to address the injury and concussion fear, and the costs and the inconvenience, but I don’t agree that it isn’t fun, that it’s not enjoyable. That survey shows that some people have never tried hockey themselves. Maybe the politics and sitting in the stands isn’t fun, but the actual game is nothing but fun. If Hockey Canada wants to sell the game, all it has to do is get people skating, and they’ll be hooked.

    • A lovely post and a fine read!

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • krob1000 says:

      The game itself is fun….but that is why it is so disapppointing to see kids leaving arenas in tears, or looking unhappy. There is too much pressure on the kids and depsite the sport itself being fun I can assure you it is not always fun for kids. Their parents are standing at the glass watching their every move, the kids often look at their parent (Dad…Moms usually smile no matter what) after every mistake. The time and effort they have to put in to have that fun is ridiculous…3-5 hours to have one hour of fun add to that the cost.

      You take a kid to a park, he throws his skates on in 2 minutes…he plays for 3 hours…..great time, no pressure, no coaches, take breaks when you want, noone hitting you, no parents living thorugh you, no expectations because of the commitment the parents make as well,etc. On the flip side we sometimes have games on weeknights in Port Perry or Ajax or Uxbridge,etc. Most of the teams are 2 plus hours away.

      The kids have to leave school early, have a quick bite to eat, get dressed, be at the bus which leaves always allotting for an hour and a half pre game arrival. SO for an 8:00 game in OSh (many games are further ). Families need to be at the bus for 4:30 for approx 4:45 departure. You arrive around 6:45….hurry up and wait for 1/2 hour as you normally arrive early but you have to have that cushion in case, we do a warmup off ice, they dress, they hurry up and wait again. Then hours later it is game time woohoo!
      They play a 10 min and 2, 15 min periods. There are 3 lines so they play about 13-14 mins. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose….they enjoyed themselves….then they get a bite to eat after the game. It is now nearly 9:45 pm….they board the bus….get home (not really …to the meeting point at 11:30 pm ish…..then they go home, then they get ready for bed….then they wake up the next day having done all of that for 13or 14 mins of pressure filled gametime (assuming your coach plays everyone evenly which is rare).

      OR…they could go to the park for three and a half hours incl, travel time and play 3 hours of no pressure , fun hockey….which would you prefer? oh…and there is no cost, no parents, noone trying to hit them, noone judging them and noone living through them, they don’t look around after they make mistake to see parents heads down,they learn from them, coaches heads aren’t down, teammates heads aren’t down,etc,etc.

      I don’t want to sound too negative on it as I willingly and happily coach and my boy loves it but I can see where it is not for everyone and where numbers dwindle with these factors. You can make more money but you can’t make more time so you better enjoy what time you have…

      These kids put in as much time as working adults with long hours essentially when you include school and homework. To get what you ask? a few hours of hockey…me I would do it…I love it, my boys love it….but to expect everyone else to be like that? no way. Heck I can’t get enough on top of that I play for two teams, take my youngest whenever possible, watch every habs game I can, and spend days on here…but hockey is something I love. I hope my boys will too but if for some reason they don’t….time to move on because to play hockey anymore you have to love it or it isn’t worth it….I say that very sadly.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think we agree krob. Hockey is fun, but sometimes minor league hockey isn’t fun.

        And it’s unconscionable that kids have to play hockey that late. It’s a fact that one of the most important things for a kid to develop is sleep. That means no video games and no computers and no TV in the bedroom, they’re in bed at curfew and getting that growing brain some needed sleep, so they can focus in class the next day and not develop a mood disorder or the like. Certainly, coming home from a hockey game at 2330 hr all hyped up is not acceptable.

        As a kid, I wasn’t allowed to play mid-week evening hockey, when we had games scheduled too late. Some years it worked out, others it didn’t, I hated it, but I was never the kid who slept in class either.

        Minor hockey should be on weekends or early evening at most. If you want to play hockey during the week, that’s what the outdoor rink shinny game is for.

        • krob1000 says:

          I woudl lvoe to see communites design areans for kids….arens with more space conservation …a 4 plex. Standing room only…don;t waste space on bleachers, reduce teh area needed to be lept cool. Make the surface smaller….it isn;t necessary to have large space for kids…very other sport has smaller fields…not hcukey…let’s have our little kids skate forever to try and score. let’s cater to the 3 kids who can skate and the rest get discouraged. Smaller spaces are necessary.
          A builing the size of a typical twin pad could actually have 4. The rink could be far smaller…it doesn;t need all of the frills, basic dressing rooms, smaller spaces and more players on them….NO ADULTS use this arena. No sanctioned leagues…it is a rec type league, you can do it by age….a few corporate sponsors can look ike Gods, you can pay to keep staff and maintenance up but with twice the kids using the same space the cost is cut in half. More kids are involved, the game is more all involving, it is more affordable, everyone wins….

  6. sweetmad says:

    I have a rant,negative people,I am 69 years old, have done a lot of living,not all of it good some of it great.Been living on borrowed time since the early seventies,if I am lucky i have another 30 years,then poof I am gone,thats it all done.I have gone hungry a few times,but always had some one to take me in when I was homeless,been to places and met people,that others can only dream of.

    But I have never been shot at in the street,never watched my children die of starvation,watched my crops wither in the sun,or suffered hypothermia.

    So what is there to be negative about,so my team didn’t win the cup, or the people I voted for aren’t running the country,but these people who never see good in anything, really ring my bell,they are alive,what more do they want,so their lives are not exactly as they want them to be,then it’s up to them to change them or make the most of what they have.

    There is always some one worse off than they are,or teams that never make the playoffs or leaders who try to keep their power through fear.I just feel sorry for the guy who has no one worse off than them,but they are usually dead.

    Why can’t people just be happy with the fact that they have got a life,I know there are people who are in no position to improve their lot,but they are not usually the people who complain the most.

    Make the most of your life, you are a long time dead,you won’t get a second chance.

  7. Sportfan says:

    Bulldogs signed two more players!
    Really trying to make up for last season eh?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  8. The right vs. left thing is more or less obsolete — lots of Canadians are fiscally conservative but socially liberal.

    As Chris Rock says: “Everybody’s so busy wanting to be down with the gang. “I’m conservative”, “I’m liberal”, “I’m conservative”. Bull$h!t! Be a fuck!ng person! Lis-ten! Let it swirl around your head. Then form your opinion. No normal, decent person is one thing, okay? I’ve got some $h!t I’m conservative about, I’ve got some $h!t I’m liberal about. Crime, I’m conservative. Prostitution, I’m liberal!”

    Seriously though, most Canadians people would agree that people — and governments — can’t continually spend more money than they take in. They’d also agree that the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. Calling people left- or right-wing, liberal or conservative, is just a way of dismissing their arguments rather than judging them on their merits.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • petefleet says:

      Isn’t crime and prostitution the same thing? And does that make you left, right, centre, or left centre, right centre?

      I haven’t been wrong in a long time…..not feeling like today is the day.

      ***Go Habs Go***

      • If you have some extreme right-wing views, and some extreme left-wing ones, I don’t think that makes you a centrist — any more than murdering people one day and starting an orphanage the next makes you an averagely decent person.

        What’s the benefit of lumping together someone’s views on abortion, euthanasia, progressive tax policy, EI, welfare, drugs, etc., and slapping a label on that person like “center-right”? That sort of thing stifles debate and polarises society. If I’m simply left-wing, and you’re simply right-wing, then we’re clearly on opposite sides. But if we talk about the issues, we may find that, say, your supposedly libertarian views on drug policy and gay marriage coincide with my supposedly “bleeding-heart” ones.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      Absolutly true that left/right is simply not a good way to catagorize people. The other problem we have in Canada is that there is also no consistency among out political parties. For example, our current PM, has abolished the long gun registry and is much looser on gun control legislation, but is very secretive in other matters, such as what information gets released to the public. These are opposite viewpoints, one saying people have lots of rights and can be trusted, one saying, people have few rights and cannot be trusted or understand. This is just one example, but there is no philisophical coherency within Liberal or Conservative policies. This makes voting for a political party similar to fan voting for an all start game, I’m voting for Subban cause I’m a habs fan, lots of people vote for their guy cause they identify themselves with a party, even in they have no idea what that means politically.


      • habstrinifan says:

        But this is also true in other countries. Take USA for instance. Republicans believe in less govt. unless it involves questions of abortion, definition of marriage etc where they believe in more govt.

        • Yup.

          And if anarchists are on the far left, and pure libertarians are on the far right, how useful can this spectrum possibly be?

          Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

          • Loop_Garoo says:

            Since many libertarians consider themselves anarchists, and vice versa, pretty much completly useless. I am still dreaming of the a world where politicians actually do things cause its just smart, and works.


      • Totally agree, Greg — politics aren’t about philosophical consistency, they’re about exercising and keeping power. Harper killed the long gun registry because it pleased his base, and because it probably only alienated people who would never have voted for him in the first place.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  9. Dr.Rex says:

    Salary notes.

    – Pavelski deal makes Pleks look like a bargain
    – Bryan Little deal make Desharnais deal look kinda satisfactory
    – Bogosian deal makes Subban’s agent grin.
    -Wheeler deal makes Pacioretty deal look like GOLD
    – Jagr deal makes Atlantic City happy

    • Ed says:

      Pavelski plays power play, penalty kill, scores goals, assists, plays 19 minutes a night, is the same height and weight, and on pace for almost exactly the same point totals as Plekanec except that he’s 1 year younger and 1 year behind.

      Pavelski was on a 4 million dollar deal, and has now been extended to 6 million.

      Plekanec is on a 5 million dollar deal, which averages out to the same money over the next 3 years, since Pavelski was making 1 million less the previous 3.

      I think Pavelski has proven to be a terrific player for the Sharks, and I put him in the same category as Plekanec – in virtually every category.

      Next time we Habs’ fans start to crow about how great Plekanec is for our team, we should look around the league and see there are plenty of excellent 2nd line centers who are as good if not better.

      And Thronton and Couture are better than Pavelski, so he’s only their 3rd center.

      • Your point is well-taken, but FWIW I’m not sure there are plenty of guys who excel in every zone to the extent that Plekanec does. That’s not crowing, but not too many players are as solid defensively while also being as strong offensively.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  10. JohninTruro says:

    Here is a link from the ‘Dogs website citing the signings of Chaput and Nystrom:

  11. HammerHab says:

    JB….just saw your post on the Gomez thread….I’m a little slow sometimes (okay all the time)….I think this will fit all your criteria….

    00 We wanted 00 to put something 00 really thoughtful here 00 but it turns out HIOers 00 aren’t all that creative. 00 We could all agree 00 that there should be 00 plenty of double 00′s.


    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  12. Bogie Man says:

    Head injuries may not be a direct cause to any pro player today being dead, or not yet anyway. However, concussions and brain injuries are direct cause to players not being able to play this great game any longer and in alot of cases not being able to function as normal human beings. I do not think I have to list the players that are impacted in this way, I am sure many of us could list players that are impacted this way without even batting an eye. I feel the cause is not body contact in younger hockey players in fact I think if you remove body contact at the early hockey levels causes more injuries to players at the later levels and will in turn discourage really good hockey players from playing the sport as they get older. If you start body contact at the competitive midget level like Canada is proposing you will have kids at various sizes who have not been taught to take a check or how to deliver one making contact for the first time when they are stronger and more developed. I think the problem lies in the coaching at the lower levels and in the players equipment. I think there should be more regulations on the size and stiffness of a players shoulder and elbow pads and they should continue to make better strides in the ability of a players helmet to prevent the brain from bruising. I also feel that making cages/ visors mandatory in all leagues is something that needs to change and the sooner the better starting with NHL players to lead the way. I know this is coming but it should be immediate without delay!

  13. DorvalTony says:

    Price is not only a team killer but a coach killer. lol

    “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
    William F. Buckley, Jr.

  14. Hab33 says:

    Parents don’t want their son’s to end up like a few NHL’ers whom have passed on from head injuries and I don’t blame them.

    Hockey use to be the best sport in the world but the way it’s played today very dangerous and it’s not known how long a players career is gonna be.

    Can’t blame them asking for big dollars their career could be one shift. ask pacioretty, Crosby and others. one bad hit away from hanging up the blades.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Name one who has “passed on from a head injury,” doctor.

      “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
      William F. Buckley, Jr.

    • krob1000 says:

      That can happen in other sports too….I find it odd that we have taken contact out of hockey but now have kids playing football at 5 adn 6 years old but that is another story… boy plays contact hockey but I had to pull him out of football as he was playing kids 2 years older and getting killed.
      You want to see dangerous? go to the local park and check out the monkey bars….at our school alone I know of 4 boys who have broken arms….I do not know of 4 broken arms in hockey over that same period. I know arms are not heads but football is far more head contact than hockey.

      Football arms are down and it is more head or shouler on head and elbows are rare but I can’t help wonder how many concussions cages would stop as well? How many are results of shots on chins?Injuries will happen but if they are serious?
      Also….I understand hockey equipment can;t be huge but how hard would it be to put a big soft, light thing on the back of helmets to avoid or at least minimize the ones that result from heads slinging backwards on the ice. Something accordianlike could easily be on the back of the helmet…guess it might not look the coolest but if they are that serious about injury reduction? why not?

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agree amigo, there is risk everywhere. Remember that lad who died from a collision on the field in a High School Soccer game north of Kingston a few years ago? Tragic and sad.

    • Hab33 says:

      some don’t know what the word prevention means.

    • Hab33 says:

      Dorval Tony – The doctor knows you have brain problems and it’s not from hockey.

  15. junyab says:


    What fans take credit for a Stanley Cup win? No fans that I know. We, as fans, celebrate wins, we don’t take credit for them. We see ourselves as a “part” of the team, not a “member” of the team.

  16. RobbyLins says:

    Being a first generation Canadian of Portuguese parents, currently living in the UK, working for a professional football (soccer) club, I thought I’d be a good person to answer the “immigrants are the reason for the decreasing number of hockey players in Canada” argument I just angrily read below.

    My parents moved over from Europe in the mid-60s, and were quite young at the time. Obviously, their parents had never heard of/seen ice hockey. It’s only normal that established adults (who barely speak a word of English or French) don’t quickly adopt something so new so quick.

    However, kids (in this case, my parents) wanted to fit in. They wanted to do what was cool. Ice hockey was cool. Several of their childhood friends played, and everyone spoke of this “Canadiens” team at school, and later, work. Being influenced by what was around him, my dad began playing hockey. He eventually got pretty good, and developed a serious love for the game –to the point where he was adamant about having his kids (my brother and I) play hockey. We both played for 15+ years. When I’m back in town (and I will be permanently as of next month, having accepted a position at the Impact), I love to ice up my skates. You can be sure my kids will play hockey.

    My point: Translate this example into 2013 terms we can all relate to: There is no doubt that a 30-year old man moving his family over from Morocco to Gatineau will struggle to adopt any kind of ice hockey culture. However, you can be sure that his children will be influenced by the sport and its culture. This doesn’t necessarily mean every kid will be a Habs fan or will even ever lace up a pair of skates… It simply means through generations of change, a country’s passion and culture remains. Been to a Habs game lately? It’s much more diversified than 10,000 French Canadians and 10,000 Anglos. And that’s really the beauty of sport and how it forms a city/country’s culture –it’s something everyone can embrace.

    Portuguese citizen living in London, England, but don’t kid yourself; I’m as much a Montrealer as you are. And I embrace the Habs and the game they play as much as you do.

    P.s; Fun fact: Other 1st generation Portuguese-Canadian kids with parents that moved over from the Azores islands my family is from: Mike Ribeiro (whose father was an impressive football/soccer player), John Tavares, Joe Corvo…

    • Cal says:

      Great post and good luck with the Impact!

    • Blade says:

      I do not dispute the multi cultural factor of society having something to do with enrollment being down but let’s not kid ourselves….number one and main reason for enrollment down is cost, cost and cost. If hockey leagues could control the costs of enrolling in hockey, then enrollment would be up…pure and simple. Cost of hockey equipment is a whole other issue which is just as guilty as enrollment fees.

      I have 2 sons, one plays hockey, the other does not, he has not interest….and my wallet thanks him every winter.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        You got right to “The Heart of the Matter.” Hey, anybody with any suggestions on what to read for the rest of the summer?

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

      • RobbyLins says:

        Very true. To be fair, my dad played for SunYouth’s hockey team growing up, whose equipment was charitably donated to them. No way his family could have afforded to enroll him in a decent league and pay for his equipment.

        The root of the issue I was getting at is definitely deeper than money -but I see your point.

    • krob1000 says:

      I dont blame you for taking offense to whoever wrote that….I grew up going to school in a class with nearly hafl portuguese kids (kingston has a very vibrant Portugues community). From gr 4 on we played foot hockey every recess….the Portuguese usually played vs the rest of the class and while it was more resembling soccer than hockey…we were all calling ourselves hockey player names. Nobody called it soccer…..goalies could throw it to you and you were allowed a step on a catch and it was more of a combo of soccer,hockey and first step of bball. We called it “hogball”. IT was awesome….we would have games on the smaller side normally but every couple weeks games would have a game that last through all of the recesses (they were like periods)…..for those we would move to “The Forum” where it was a much larger area and had no walls….
      To this day some of those guys have their kids totally immersed in hockey, many have gone on to make Kingston a soccer force to be reckoned with as well….but they loved the Habs and hockey as much as any Canadian kid so it is ridiculous to say otherwise. Some never got the opportunity to play organized hockey but that did not stop them from coming to the outdoor rink as often as they could or pretending to be Naslund….
      I never saw them getting together for soccer or some other sport one may perceive tham as having a preference for…..instead they would all go play hockey, watch hockey together,etc.
      To say immigrant anything re hockey is just wrong…go to any local rink around here and you will find alll ethnicities playing the game…as it should be and despite older generations being aware of this….the kids today do not realize any differences between a player of a diff’t ethnicity. That is a parent and grandparent issue…kids do not care and those that do are not comig upon that on their own as schools have done a wonderful job and our Country is a great melting pot. It will only get better with time hopefully but patience is needed along with parents cooperation.

      • RobbyLins says:

        Awesome response. Couldn’t agree more. And super interesting to hear about Kingston’s Portuguese hockey influence! Same goes for Montreal decades back (the Ribeiro family) and Mississauga currently (the Tavares family).

  17. Habfan17 says:

    I am not a rant kind of guy, so I will throw a proposal out there!

    How about trading Moen for Gaustad, if Nashville would do it. I went to Capgeek to check Gaustad’s salary and cap hit, butthe site was down. Then, since L.A. is against the cap, trade Holland for Clifford.

    That would give the Habs a 4th line of Clifford, Gaustad and either White or Parros.

    If and only if the Habs could land a top 2 defenceman, trade Plekanec and possibly Diaz if required. With Gaustad, he could move up to the 3rd line and White could centre the 4th.


    • I’d love that line, but Clifford is very young and looks like he can be more than a plugger — I doubt LA would deal him for anything less than a solid NHL prospect. I think we’d be looking at something more like Holland and Dietz, a gamble if Clifford doesn’t progress.

      Re: Gaustad, I think is cap hit is pretty high for what he brings (CapGekk is down, but I think it’s in the area of $3M). That’s a lot for a big strong defensive center who nonetheless isn’t really a fighter and can’t score goals.

      I like your thinking, though — the fourth line should be the easiest one to improve, and I’d wager that MB is committed to doing this. The best way to do that IMO is to improve the top three lines though, pushing a good third-liner onto the fourth — say Prust.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • Habfan17 says:

        I was thinking Holland may not be enough, but he is highly regarded and I thought it was s good starting point. I did read that L.A. does not want to take salary back on the trade, if they make it.


    • Un Canadien errant says:

      17, can I be allowed to gently chide you for your trade scenarios? Patrick Holland for Kyle Clifford? A former seventh-round pick who’s a long shot to ever make the NHL, for a legitimate NHL player who has the size and temperament every other team wants?

      Sure there’s no harm in proposing these trades on a site like this, ultimately, it’s just for fun, but it’s kind of a non-starter in terms of generating a discussion.

      I appreciate that you’re always looking for ways to improve the team, but your scenarios are consistently unrealistic. To get a regular NHL’er with size, you’ll need to give back the same, or equivalent value in prospects and picks, so we’d be talking first and second-rounders, and top level Bulldogs, not fringe guys like Patrick Holland.

      How about you discipline yourself, and avoid any trade scenario that involves Travis Moen, Josh Gorges, David Desharnais or any Bulldog with a name that doesn’t end with a ‘di’ or ‘lieu’? You gotta give a lot to get a lot.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Your ‘gentle chide’ may produce chafe burns on the poor lad’s psyche.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m trying to be diplomatic, and I wouldn’t have spoken if it was a one off, but it gets repetitive to see these unrealistic trade proposals being floated that have no chance of ever happening.

          • Habfan17 says:

            I would say you are overstepping your bounds and are no more an expert than I am or the majority of the other posters on the site.

            Being able to write better than most of us on the site, does not make you right, it is just your opinion. You have written many posts that I find way off base, but I don’t chide you. It is your opinion and it provokes thought.

            You write very eloquently, however you may want to look up the definition of pompous, then look in the mirror.


  18. habstrinifan says:

    Re Smartdog’s toilet seat rant.

    Not fair guys introducing bacterial science to diminish his rant.

    You cannot sanitize a rant!

    I am with you Smartdog. The shared-bathroom has evolved into an anti-male spot in the modern home.

    Enuff is Enuff!

  19. commandant says:

    A look at potential 2014 NHL free agents.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  20. Chris says:

    My Friday rant:

    Canada recently passed $1.5 trillion in public debt (combined federal/provincial debt). That is the 7th highest total in the world, and our debt per capita exceeds that of any of the “basket-case” economies (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain) in Europe.

    We’re a resource rich nation that has enjoyed the economic benefits of having oil in recent years, and yet we’ve still managed to completely wet the bed economically.

    Canada has a spending problem. It isn’t a right vs. left thing, as politicians representing the entire political spectrum at every level of government have managed to add to the ticking debt bomb. How the current generations who are making the decisions right now (including my own) can continue to bury their head in the sand on that issue is just amazing.

    • Cal says:

      How is it when Paul Martin was running things Canada’s deficit was beginning to fall and when the present-day government took over THEY bleeped things up? Could it be that they are financial and economic idiots? I think so.

      • Clay says:

        I agree. Most irresponsible government in Canadian history – fiscally and otherwise.

        ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

      • Chris says:

        This is why I said that it has nothing to do with right vs. left.

        When Paul Martin was running things, Canada was still adding to the debt despite federal surpluses. The fiscal situation of the federal government was largely fixed by downloading the red ink onto the provinces. The net result was that while the federal government was able to run surpluses, most provinces saw their own financial situations deteriorate rapidly and the end result was increased public debt load.

        One of the biggest problems in Canada is that we tend to focus on federal numbers despite the fact that some of the biggest economic files are actually the purview of the provinces (including the elephant in the room, the health care system).

        You simply cannot look at public debt federally when discussing Canada because of the division of powers. And the country has been digging a deeper and deeper hole every year when you look at these combined debts, regardless of whether it was Trudeau, Mulroney, Campbell, Chretien, Martin or Harper in power.

        Pointing fingers doesn’t fix the problem. The solution is going to hurt a LOT, and I’m not sure that we have the moral fortitude to pay down our debts when it is so much more convenient to foist them off on our kids or grandkids and continue to live the high life ourselves.

        • John Q Public says:

          So long as we pay interest on new money created we will be perpetually in debt until the bankers take over the country.
          Central banks are private banks.
          Take control of the money supply and it all goes away.
          Now I expect a drone to hunt me down for uttering these words!

    • habsp says:

      While you make some good points Chris, you need to put it into context. True, Canada has 1.5 trillion in debt, but they are also among the larger economies in the world (11th in terms of GDP). A much better measure is debt to GDP… Canada actually does quite well. However, Regarding Harper vs Martin…Harper is a drunken sailor…In real dollars, the debt has never been higher.

      • Chris says:

        I would contest that “Canada actually does quite well” in debt-to-GDP. We’re sitting at 86.5% right now, and climbing rapidly. ~110% was the number that got Greece labelled a basket-case.

        The other PIIGS countries are:

        Portugal – 130.9% (2008 – 70.2%)
        Ireland – 121.0% (2008 – 36.0%)
        Italy – 121.1% (2008 – 104.5%)
        Greece – 156.0% (2008 – 110.6%)
        Spain – 77.1% (2008 – 38.5%)

        In all 5 cases, their debt has rapidly grown, partially due to having been labelled as being at risk of defaulting.

        Yet countries like Canada (who has seen their debt grow from 69.2% in 2008 to 86.5% in 2013), the United States (38.7% in 2008 to 77.8% in 2013), the United Kingdom (50.4% in 2008 to 93.1% in 2013) and Japan (171.1% in 2008 to 230.9% in 2013) are largely ignored because they are G7 countries that are “too big too fail”.

        Canada is doing well in that we’ve somehow managed to continue to be seen as a country that is doing well. But we are rapidly approaching the same debt levels that have crippled other countries in the past.

  21. shiram says:

    Friday rants? I can do that!

    Those Metro newspaper people at subway entrances.
    I hate how persistent they are, every moring I come in, I have my headphones clearly on, and they can’t help but to try to engage me in a conversation, while trying to shove a paper in my hands.
    I even stopped and told one of them that I would never take one of their papers, and she responded saying she would still offer it as it gave her a chance to tell me “good day”.
    I told her I would not hear pointing at my headphones, and she insisted it was a nice courtesy.
    But damn, it’s the morning, I’m in a hurry, I don’t care for inssipd niceties!

    Plus those damn papers are always littering the subway floors..

    “The game isn’t played on the weight scale and it’s not played in the gym, it’s played on the ice and it’s whoever wanted it more.” #81

  22. Walmyr says:

    Hello Ian,

    I believe we never had the chance to chat…I am from Brazil. I have been follow HI/O for a long time. Time enough to understand that the Summit is The Event!…

    And I am starting (a long process!!!) to convince my wife to let me spend 7-10 days in Canada in 3 years from now. As you can imagine, fly to Canada (from here) isn’t the cheapest thing in the world…besides that my wife already booked “our” vacations for the next 30 years!!!…

    So my idea is to join you guys in 2016’s Summit…if you let me…

    By that time I hope to have enough money to go and enjoy those couple of days with you and fulfill one of my dreams (to see a Habs game)…and I hope to improve my english et mon français…


  23. krob1000 says:

    UCE I just repsonded below to your rant re minor hockey…afte now having been through it as a parent/coach and skating instructor I can tell you there are several things wrong with it but that survey is bang on…FUN is what is missing. There is fun to be had but it is not proportionate with the time and money you spend…you shouldn’t have to put in 30-40 dollars and 5 hours to get one hour of fun for yoru child. Who can afford that time and money?

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hola amigo! I coached for 7 yrs. north of the city in the old Inter City League. At the Midget level we had lads that were House or had quit or been cut from A,AA. It was a rough full contact league a few years back but the guys loved it,no pressure. There would be an OPP cruiser on standby for some of our Friday night games and during deer hunting season,well,that”s another story. Saludos!

      • krob1000 says:

        lol I played a handful of games up in the Juvenile loop for North Front way back when I was still midget age when they were short guys…it was rough and I was not used to it yet at that point after whistles ….man I hated whistles…it was safer while the play was going! I spent most of those games looking down examining the ice and looking at my skates whenever the whistle blew!

        • frontenac1 says:

          Great memories amigo. I still shake my head and chuckle at some of the things those lads would do ,on and off the ice. They were a little wild but great kids. I feel lucky to have coached them.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I saw that, thanks krob, seems like your shinny sessions are a hoot.

      I address the fun issue in a post further up. Sure, the stuff that surrounds hockey may not be fun, more aggravating that anything, but the game itself is always fun.

  24. SmartDog says:

    My Rant (see HabsFan72 below):

    Why do women always put the toilet seat down? What a pain that is to have to put it up all the time. And how many freakin’ shampoo conditioners body washes and who-knows-what-else do you need in the shower? 40? 50? Women are supposedly more considerate than we are. Really? Cause my bathroom says otherwise.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Good rant!

    • krob1000 says:

      Your last line says it all…..your bathroom? what world are you living in? I have a basement and a yard…the rest I lost the moment we moved in

    • The Cat says:

      I feel your pain, whenever Im in the shower, I dont know what it is Im supposed to take so I take the nearest bottle and sometimes end up smelling like strawberries.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • SmartDog says:

        I just try to find something that smells green instead of pink.
        My favorite is washing my hair with conditioner which I end up doing about once a week. Nineteen bottles of conditioner, no shampoo.

        And why TF do companies write the words “shampoo” or “conditioner” in fonts so tiny you could write on a grain of rice.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • krob1000 says:

          So guys like us use them accidentally! great way to increase sales!

          • SmartDog says:

            I’ve long suspected that.

            WTF is this? Oh… dang. Now I need something that doesn’t smell like flowers to wash that one off… what’s this one… oh shoot, that’s conditioner… like the guy who told the toothpaste companies to make the hole larger.

            Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • JohninTruro says:

      I JUST had this shampoo/conditioner argument last week when there wasn’t a smalllll section for me to put my body wash and shampoo…wasn’t pleased that is funny.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I put the seat AND lid down – doesn’t everyone? Why would you want standing poo-water open to the air all day long?

      And I would have thought a metrosexual like smartdog would have as many grooming products as his wife. More maybe.

      • Chris says:

        Agreed. Having worked with bacteria and seeing the amount of fecal matter that ends up on every exposed surface (including your toothbrush!) due to the aerosolization of bacteria by flushing your toilet, there is no way I’m not putting the lid down! 🙂

      • SmartDog says:

        Yah but I can’t put the seat up while I’m lifting my leg.

        I would buy more bathroom stuff but there’s no room – and I inevitably get given those things as presents. And as it is I get hammered for taking baths. I’m not going to take too strong an interest in toiletries. Risky.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  25. habstrinifan says:

    HabFanSince72 I love your idea. A Friday rant it is. I am gonna channel my inner Timo.

    The Sports Bra! Who the f%%$% invented this thing? I know it wasnt Howard Huges! A genius inventor if there ever was one. Designed a wire contraption to uplift Jane Russel. As if she needed uplifting.

    The Sports Bra! Yuck! Imagine doing 30 mins on the stationary bike and all you have for inspiration is a ‘levelled’ viewing field of womanly ‘de-pulchritude’…all because of the infernal sports bra.

    The sports bra.. the most castigating of apparel known to man. It censures beauty.

    Enter novice runner Victoria Woodrow, a misguided lass, if ever there was. “”What do you do for a bra? All that flopping about, it’s hardly comfortable,” complained Victoria Woodrow. She’d just tried jogging, the 1970’s hottest new craze, but felt flummoxed by the boob-bounce thing. So for advice she’d called up her sister, Lisa Lindahl, who’d already gotten into jogging.”

    And what did Lisa Lindahl do. She saw her husband parading around wearing a jock strap on his chest… and got inspired. Kinky fellow that Mr Lindahl was. And … and presto the ‘jockbra’ was born. Yes sirree folks. The Sports bra is really two jock straps strung together.

    Lisa and her husband divorced soon after she patented her invention. I wonder why?

    So here it was. Thursday night at the Y. Me huffing and puffing at the ‘Y’ for 3 hours trying to stave off dilapidation. And narry a bounce anywhere…

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I like them.

      Now – how about lululemon yoga pants as an article of everyday wear?

      Come on try a bit harder.

      Do you see me wearing sweat pants or sneakers with a suit?

      • SmartDog says:

        I still don’t get that. The company makes these pants that you can see through a little better than you can see through other similar pants, and instead of being a little risque and on-the-edge, the CEO steps down and they lose a whack of market share. What is the world coming too. Next someone will lose their job for making cars that go too fast or floor polish that makes floors too shiny.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Trini, think of the sports bra as a make-under, and when it comes off, instant make-over. I think I beat wjc to posting this advice.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • SmartDog says:

      I can’t remember if it was Arthur C. Clarke or Robert Heinlein who speculated about the number of space accidents that would be caused by women’s boobs floating in zero gravity.

      “Dammit Jim it’s a SAFETY issue! We need to tie those puppies down or the FUTURE of MANKIND could be at STAKE!””

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  26. Ian Cobb says:

    Please read the full Itinerary so I do not have to answer all your questions on e-mail one at a time. All charity donations gratefully accepted, (cash or gifts) bring to the Baton Rouge at 3pm Sat. We will be selling Raffle Tickets there as well, 1 for $20 or 3 for $40.

    Everyone is welcome to come to any of our events, just let me know so that I can make reservations for you please. Read the whole Itinerary below to know how our Charity Raffle works. We ask each person to bring a gift to the Baton Rouge and I will exchange it for a raffle ticket. In that way everyone gets a nice gift to go home with.

    151 HIO members attending this years HIO Fan Summit.

    I have ordered and paid for all our game and hall of fame tickets, now to organize the rest of the weekend.

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000 to different children’s charities. This year we are supporting the Mtl. Canadiens Children Foundation.

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    • SmartDog says:

      Good stuff Ian – thanks for all your good work.

      This is always my favorite line of your itinerary:

      >After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us >again, to celebrate the win.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  27. wjc says:

    Why do fans take credit when the team they cheer for wins? Can you not enjoy observing the victory, quietly, afterall you had no part in the winning or losing.

    Some Montreal/Toronto fans are exactly the same. Taking credit for ‘Stanley cups’ they were to young or before they were born, that were won by a team who’s logo they happen to like.

    Laughing at other fans of other teams is just like laughing at yourself.

    You make no trades, draft no players, etc. but some how feel responsible for the end result. If it is good you pat yourself of the back, if is bad you react like spoiled children.

    You pay your money, buy your apparrel, drink your beer and argue for entertainment. Calling other fans losers that do exactly what you do, seems pretty lame.


    • Lafleurguy says:

      wjc, you’ve helped conjure up images of a North Korean sports event for me. 🙂

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Ian Cobb says:

      WJC WROTE …afterall you had no part in the winning or losing.

      You have no idea the amount of effect we(I) have on the outcome of each game my friend. The energy from me that is picked up by my players makes the difference in winning or losing, don’t you know anything about hockey.?

      • wjc says:

        Okay Cobb, then get that ‘Stanley cup’ stop missing the playoffs or getting beat in the first round.

        The players are some how missing all that Karma you and your friends are manufacturing.

        So is it the players fault for not picking up the vibe, or the fans for nothing giving enough. The lack of Stanley cups are the fans fault. So the 29 teams that do not win it each year, is because of lack of support.

        I finally get it, thanks ‘my friend’ for clearing that up. So when you go to your summit game, you are guaranteed a win. Thanks for spoiling the outcome for me.


    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I’m always kind of thrown when fans refer to the team as “we”. Vinnie Damphousse cut me off in a fancy sports car when I was bringing my daughter down Atwater after a visit to the Children’s – that’s as ‘we’ as our connections to the team gets.
      I enjoy watching the team, and like it when it wins. However, as the commemorative bricks bought by the poor versus the profitable condos fiasco should underline, the Habs are a corporation out for their owners, and while they provide entertainment, they chase profit. So be it.
      We just want tribes to identify with, and most of us find them in sports teams and religions. It’s fun, and it’s unstoppable. If you approach it with a critical eye, just watch it go by and enjoy the spectacle. You can still be a hockey fan, love the game and support a favourite team without going overboard and believing you are the team, and vice versa.
      If a guy’s Justin Bieber is Carey Price, or his Carey Price is Justin Bieber – both will go away and be replaced by someone else in a few years, or sooner. Even Charlie Hodge got replaced.

      • wjc says:

        Just one small point ‘Charlie’ the poor should not be buying bricks.

        A brick is a brick after all. Just a ‘brick’, not worth more then 50 cents.

        That they can pull this stuff off amazes me.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      One day perhaps we can all be as wise as you, you have the entire sporting world figured out, it is just taking us a bit longer.

      Please be patient my friend….


      • CharlieHodgeFan says:

        Then again, someone hits the Habs goalie and I go berserk and run around looking for an axe.

      • wjc says:

        Hey, each his own, just observing, enjoy it anyway that works for you.

        When I was 12 I thought they played and won for me. As I grew up I became jaded, I guess, and realized that if I turn away, they can win or lose without me.

        Sitting in my special chair or wearing my special sweater meant nothing.


    • habfan01 says:

      I’m still miffed the Canadiens didn’t put my name on the Cup in 93- after I singlehandly turned the series around during game 2. Was drinking Misterbrau during the playoffs. Come the Finals, I switched to Molson. After the game 1 loss, and with Habs trailing 2-1 at the end of the 2nd period. I ran out and bought a case of Misterbrau. Shoved the Molson to back of the frig, opened a Misterbrau just in time to start the 3rd- and the rest is history

      • Psycho29 says:

        Whoa buddy! I won that series for us….
        I was stressed out that first OT game, so I turned off the TV and went to bed. Saw that they won the next day. Did the same thing next OT game. I told buddies at work about my superstition, and when the 3rd game went to OT; I got 3 phone calls telling me to turn off my TV again. I kept that tradition going…
        So….my name should be on that 1993 cup…


  28. HabFanSince72 says:

    Since there’s nothing to talk about hockey-wise, let’s make Friday rant day. Everyone loves a good rant.

    Here’s mine.

    I enjoy an oatmeal raisin cookie with my morning coffee. So today I pick up my usual cookie from the coffee shop. As I prepare to eat it I realize it’s actually oatmeal chocolate chip. Are you kidding me? Who the hell eats oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?. What next? A free Milan Lucic hockey card with every cookie?

  29. thebonscott says:

    Regarding the hockey canada article, I am not surprised. Hockey is expensive, inconvenient, and with the direction it has gone very violent. So like many parents, I have choosen basketball and baseball. And it is not because I can’t afford hockey, and it is not because I am a smurf (i am 6″4 250lbs and my kids are tall), it is because I am choosing a safer alternative for the kids i love more than anything.

    I love watching hockey, just don’t want my kids in it. Like many, I don’t mind people I don’t know injuring each other.


    • Lafleurguy says:

      Similar to Matt Dunigan pulling his son out of football, and engaging in baseball.

      “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I do respect what you’re saying. Many parents are encouraging their children away from football here for the very same reasons you point out.
      It’s unfortunate though, eh? Growing up football and hockey were the two sports that I enjoyed the most and have given me some of the closest friendships I’ve enjoyed in life.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Same here in Ireland.
      I have two big athletic sons (20 and 18), and there was gentle but considerable pressure on them from three uncles who all played high-level rugby (and loved it, despite carrying various chronic neck, back and leg injuries, as do I with a ruined shoulder). Ireland’s international matches are watched in our house with fanatic commitment, and even our local doctor — whose kids are the same age — said rugby would be a safe game for them if they started young and learnt the basics properly.

      But like you say, bonscott, you love your kids more than anything. And while we never actually prohibited rugby, we tried to ensure that opportunities in other sports got in the way. So far so good. (The third guy is 9 and is already well indoctrinated in soccer and basketball! They all also love hockey, of course, and the Habs. Otherwise it’s the orphanage).

      How many times did any of us get our bell rung in a contact sport and have the captain or coach ask us our middle names or birthdays or ‘how many fingers’? Pass that test and your back on the field/ice. Neither us nor anyone would have thought of telling our parents, who may not have been much wiser anyway.

      Today’s parents are much better informed and don’t like the odds. They are right, but it poses a significant challenge for the future of hockey.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Wow! Oliver Twist’s dad was a Habs fan!

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

      • thebonscott says:

        Well said, we are on the same page, and yes it is a challenge for hockey, The canadian way of hit your opponent through the boards, hit em 2 seconds after the puck is gone, hit em high has turned off many players and parents who otherwise might pursue hockey.


        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Careful, bonscott.

          By the Don Cherry definition, and that of some posters here, you can no longer claim Canadian citizenship.

          Likewise if you say anything positive about Olympic-style hockey.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      I’m kind of glad my daughters never wanted to play hockey. My cousin played for Canada, and relatives played in the NHL. I love the game or I wouldn’t be posting here. But it costs a lot, and it has a nasty side culture to it. I still spend a lot of time on ball fields, coaching, watching and playing with the kids, and I like hitting the ice in the winter.
      But I look back on the bs in hockey when I played, and shake my head sometimes at having never worn a mask as a goalie. I’m lucky I have eyes, and maybe kids playing now will look back at their game and find things that seem just as weird to future people, in terms of tolerance of brain injuries.
      I have known too many guys whose parents decided they were NHLers. They had superb talent – high draft picks and all. Their bodies broke and they had nothing – no education, no skills – just memories of Junior and the days when they were going to be something. Not all guys transition out of that well…
      GET BIGGER, GET TOUGHER, GET EVEN – I’ll let someone else’s kids do that. I’m kind of glad mine decided otherwise.

  30. Captain aHab says:

    @UCE re: hockey drop-off

    I used to coach baseball and that sport is just about dead now. I live in the Ottawa region and the soccer lobby is so strong that I doubt I could build a baseball field even if I paid for it myself because it would be seen as taking away space from a potential soccer field. New immigrants have very little, if any, interest in hockey/baseball/just about any other sports and since this is what accounts for most of our population growth, it’s not about to stop. I think it’ll be difficult to turn this around.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Similar issue with baseball in the States, Captain. One of the areas of major concern is the inner city youth not playing baseball. Basketball and video games seem to be the preferred past time. MLB has reached out and have invested in construction of playing fields in the cities in hopes of turning the trend.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Mornin’ J and Everybody. As long as the kids are fit, it’s of parochial interest whether a sport is of more or less popularity (among the kids). As a Habs fan, I just hope youth hockey in Switzerland is thriving!

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Morning bud. Waiting with much anticipation for the arrival of Shane (Sholli) today. Speaking of baseball, will be heading with Shane and family to Citi Field to watch the Mets. Look for 2 big guys wearing Hab paraphernalia. 🙂

          • HabinBurlington says:

            The Big Apple is in for a treat with you folks in town. Hope you enjoy yourselves, Royals are a surprise team this year, they appear to be slowly coming back to being relevant again.

            CHeers, give a big hello to Shane for me Chief!

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Fantastic! Didn’t know Shea Stadium either was re-named or replaced. Hope they don’t escort you guys out for wearing Le Tricolore like they did to Elaine for wearing an Orioles cap.

            “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Great call on the Seinfeld reference Guy, yah the Mets built a new stadium in the past few years and showed it off for the All-Star game this season. I am sure Jim and Shane will be on their best behaviour! 🙂

            Morning Andrew!

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Mornin’ Gerald. Nice to see you reclaim the first position. 🙂

            “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

    • Chris says:

      The idea that immigrants have no interest in hockey is not quite correct. An increasingly prevailing idea is that immigrant families often adopt hockey quite fanatically to accelerate their assimilation into “Canadian” culture.

      Here in Guelph, we have more baseball fields than you can shake a stick at, but nobody uses them. Personally, I see zero value in baseball as an activity because it there is simply not enough exercise value in it. I play soccer and ultimate frisbee through the summers, and soccer and hockey in the winters. After an hour of either sport, I am thoroughly exhausted. Baseball just doesn’t have that kind of exercise reward for the time you spend. With how busy everybody has become and an increased focus on health, baseball will have it tough attracting new players.

      I think video games are definitely an issue…I never, ever see kids out in the parks these days. It is rather sad.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        or fishing….. or at the library….. or swimming…. or riding bikes……or much else for that matter. Video games must have some addictive qualities because now I see young adults (20-30 year old) doing little else but playing those games. Sad is correct.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The way my beer league team is always huffing and puffing after turning a double into a single I have to disagree. 😉

        • Habfan10912 says:

          When I played adult softball I’d only run to one base at a time. Back in my smoking days I’d even light up. Plenty of exercise for me too! 🙂

      • habstrinifan says:

        He may be right with ‘brand new’ immigrants. But one only has to look at the NHL to see an increasing presence of Canada’s ‘ethnic’ mix.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Really interesting discussion, gents.

      What age does one have to reach before realising, nothing is permanent, absolutely nothing? In the big scheme of things, professional sports are roughly a century old, which scarcely counts in terms of passing the test of time. I adored baseball growing up — playing, listening on the radio, Jarry Parc — but can it continue to thrive in a political environment in which action on obesity must be seen to be taken?

      I’m sure Canada has both kinds of immigrants: those wishing to assimilate by playing Canadian sports, those wishing to uphold their own sporting traditions by transplanting them to here.

      Even sacred hockey faces serious challenges in the coming decades as parents — immigrants and otherwise — steer their kids towards other sports — and notably soccer — and away from one with such a cavalier attitude towards brain injury. (At least hockey can still alter itself to protect heads — in this regard I actually think football and rugby are ultimately screwed).

      I can’t play soccer for beans and I hate watching the likes of the English Premiership. But it is a wonderful sport, the world’s favourite and largest, and still growing and spreading. Hockey could easily be left behind and will be if it entrusts its stewardship to a grasping entertainment corporation like the NHL.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Afternoon, D.Mike. Tempest in a teapot. Biogenesis will have many customers in the future. Recreationally-speaking, risking severe injury will steer many away from contact sports, and rock-climbing, but there will always be risk-takers. Hope weather and personal stuff is going well. Enjoyed reading snippets about your graduate studies. Cheers Mike.

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  31. AliHaba says:

    Vegas Odds to Win the Cup

    Pittsburgh Penguins 5/1
    Chicago Blackhawks 6/1
    Boston Bruins 9/1
    St. Louis Blues 10/1
    Los Angeles Kings 12/1
    Vancouver Canucks 12/1
    Detroit Red Wings 14/1
    New York Rangers 14/1
    San Jose Sharks 16/1
    Montreal Canadiens 20/1
    Anaheim Ducks 20/1
    Toronto Maple Leafs 25/1
    Ottawa Senators 30/1
    Edmonton Oilers 30/1
    New York Islanders 30/1
    Washington Capitals 30/1
    Columbus Blue Jackets 40/1
    Philadelphia Flyers 40/1
    New Jersey Devils 40/1
    Carolina Hurricanes 40/1
    Minnesota Wild 40/1
    Tampa Bay Lightning 40/1
    Winnipeg Jets 40/1
    Nashville Predators 50/1
    Dallas Stars 50/1
    Colorado Avalanche 50/1
    Phoenix Coyotes 60/1
    Buffalo Sabres 100/1
    Florida Panthers 100/1
    Calgary Flames 200/1

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Philly at 40/1 is worth a punt.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Well said, 72. Nice odds.

        Also, it’s taken less than a week for us to move up from 25/1 to 20/1. We should all be placing our bets on the Habs before the end of August, by which time we’ll no doubt be up there with the Pens and Hawks. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          I’m bettin’ Vegas is coldly calculating in recognizing how the huge fanbase the Habs have, will cause many among them to overrate the Habs and have them betting more heavily on them than warranted. Vegas knows how to make money. Bodog is in a similar business but may have factored in more objective sports parameters in seeding the Habs 6th in the Eastern Conference (25-1 odds).

          “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            I’m sure they don’t explicitly factor those things in. They have computers generate the odds based on past an current betting patterns.

      • Marc10 says:

        No goalie or D to speak of.

        How do the Habs rank higher than the Sens…? Or the Leafs for that matter…?

        I go with the Coyotes at 60/1.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          We’re a bit better than the Leafs.

          The Sens suck. Why can’t everybody see that? Look at their roster. Insane unsustainable goalkeeping is all they had last year.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            I think Craig Anderson is a better version of Tim Thomas. I wouldn’t underrate the impact of full seasons from Jason Spezza and Jared Cowan.

            “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

          • Marc10 says:

            Sorry should have phrased that better. The Sens are better than the Habs and the Leafs… or at least they should be on last year’s form.

            Give Spezza and Karlsson a full healthy year and that would do it, non?

            I just don’t get it, but then again the house always wins so they must know something I don’t. Maybe they rate Carey … 😉

    • Dust says:

      Thanks for the link. Tinordi seems to have his head in the right place. Knows he wants to start the season in montreal but realizes it isn’t going to be just given to him.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think he is going to be a consumate pro, seems to be on pace to being a blue chipper for this team for a long time. Clearly this kid learned a great deal from his father along the way.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thanks for the link HabFab. Maybe I am deceiving myself (hope the picture is current) but he looks as if he has been doing some real strength training… looks as if he’s acquiring musculature definition. The sure sign of a stronger athlete.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I thought perhaps I was just seeing in the picture what I wanted to see, but glad you make that point habstrinifan. I thought the same.

        CHeers bud!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        A quick way to assess a player’s musculature, or a patron’s potential level of resistance if he’s physically encouraged to leave the premises is by observing their neck. And on that score, when you look at Jarred Tinordi’s neck during interviews, both at the Summer Development Camp and in this picture, the difference is shocking when you compare to when he was drafted, or even last summer. The combo of him maturing and naturally filling out after his growth spurt, and his reported dedication in the gym is immediately apparent.

        For another couple of 1st rounders we have though, there isn’t that clear difference. One of them looks like the wise-cracking kid sitting in the back row, not small, not doughy, just average but with a little bit of snark, and the other still looks like a dreamboat who should be in a boy band.

  32. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    If Gionta is moved at the deadline, it will be to the Penguins. They collected other teams’ captains this last time around, and I expect them to do so again.

    PS; Gomez was brought into Florida to replace Parros. Can’t wait to see those two scrap this season!

  33. Sportfan says:

    Affordability and Time in minor league hockey is awful, should be one-two games a week or just one and one practice, i know its not great but while school is going on its hard to time manage unlike baseball and soccer.

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  34. habsp says:

    Those poor laff fans….Dave Bolland brought the cup to his home town of Mimico, outside of Toronto and he had a parade and brought the cup to a local watering hole. The sports radio talk shows were lit up with laff fans trying to piggy back on it like they had something to do with it…Some were even saying Bolland should wear a laffs jersey. I think this is about as close as they will come to a SC parade for a long long time….You should have heard these bozos…it is like they want to wear a medal without going to war. Pathetic.

  35. Un Canadien errant says:

    Interesting article on TSN regarding Hockey Canada’s attempts to increase participation in hockey. A study was conducted in Ontario and Nova Scotia to understand the issues. This is what they found are the main obstacles:

    …the top four reasons given were a) it wasn’t fun b) was too time consuming c) safety concerns d) and affordability.

    A surprising number to me is that “approximately 90 per cent of Canadian families choose to not have their kids play hockey”. Growing up in Charlemagne, my dim memory is that in Grade 1-3, about half the boys in my class would play minor-league hockey, or at least on the outdoor ice in the school yard. I can’t remember exactly how that was run, except that I often played hockey outdoors, with a tuque under my helmet and wool gloves under my hockey gloves, but it was real hockey, not shinny. If I’m not mistaken, we played some of our minor hockey games outdoors, and all ‘school league’ games there. We had coaches and jerseys and everything, and we’d shovel the snow between periods with scrapers. My father would leave the house as we were getting ready to go to bed to go flood the ice, probably not every night, but often.

    Anyway, we were a hockey family, but so were most of the families on my street or at school. I remember asking some other kids why they didn’t play hockey, some would just look at me blankly and shrug, some would say they skied as a family, and went away on weekends. But I always found the guys who didn’t play hockey kind of odd. They were the exception.

    Now the thing is, I don’t remember making the conscious decision to play hockey. I never realized it was a choice. Some of my earliest memories were of Jean Béliveau winning a Stanley Cup, not sure if it was the ’69 or the ’71 win, and in there is mixed my amazement at seeing hockey on colour television, instead of just black and white. My father played rec league hockey, and I’d go to the arena with my family to watch him play, then at some point I started playing. I remember all the dads outfitting their kids in the dressing room, we did that for a couple of years I think until we were on our own. And when I started playing, then my whole family would watch me play, we’d drive to games and back, that’s what we did on weekends. My older sister hated wasting her time in the arena, my parents bought her off with french fries and lots of vinegar. Eventually, it was just my father, and later, when we moved and the drive was longer, we had a carpool system, where on a rotating basis one dad would pick up five kids and drive from St-Thomas to Berthierville, home of Gilles Villeneuve, where the rink was and we played our games. Every dad had to have a large car with a big trunk for everyone, none of those ridiculous new compacts would have worked.

    I remember my shock when I finished midget hockey and was told that I wouldn’t play Juvénile the next season, hockey was over. I was curious, knew that some kids played past that, but somehow my parents told me that it was a different system or program, and I was done. I vaguely understood there was a cost issue there, but I wasn’t a rebellious kid, I accepted it and didn’t play hockey again for five years or so, in the Inter-Hotel league in Montréal, a rec league for hotel employees. My skating suffered, but the years of organized hockey showed, I knew how to play positionally, I understood the game. I wasn’t the best player on the ice or on my team, not by a long shot, but I was doing better than a lot of the other guys, who’d maybe picked up the game as adults.

    We saw again at the draft what a profound influence parents have on their kid’s hockey careers, how the time and money they spend on hockey, the dedicated weekends, the hockey schools in the summers, the sticks nowadays, I used to get two per season, and it was clear that if I broke them I’d be out of luck, so I wasn’t the guy who’d whack his stick on the goal post in frustration, that was what rich kids did. Anyway, those kind of sacrifices are made by parents whose parents made the same ones for them. And even then that’s not guaranteed. My older sister never put her two sons in hockey, she was abrasive and defensive when I brought it up. No way was she wasting any more time in an arena, her weekends and evening were too precious. My younger sister did the same, her boy is a great kid, but he just did taekwon-do lessons twice a week, and played soccer in the summer. The cost was minimal, only had to buy some cleats and a water bottle, and he’d walk to the field for his games.

    One of the guys I worked with had a similar story. He stood 6’6″, weighed as much as 275 lbs when we were hitting the gym fanatically, was a dead ringer for Dolph Lundgren, anyway, he wasted his athletic talent on basketball. He grew up in Northern B.C., and his high school had a basketball program so that’s what he played. Later on, when he realized his options were very limited in that regard, but a couple of his friends were getting scholarship offers to play NCAA hockey, he asked his dad why he never put him in hockey. His dad replied: “You never asked me.” Which is unreal, how does a kid at five years old know he wants to play hockey? In his case, even if he’d been at a high school with a football program, he’d at least have received a scholarship to play defensive end somewhere, some coach would have taken one look at him and signed him up, then coached him into something.

    When I see guys like Keegan Kanzig getting drafted, I know my buddy with his athleticism would at least have been able to play that role, go to Junior and overwhelm a couple of guys with his size and strength, then go the minor pro and see what transpires.

    I’m sure there are lots of similar stories, there are 30 million people in Canada, but how many live close enough to an arena to make hockey feasible for the kids? How many Joe Juneaus are out there preaching the game, recruiting kids? How many immigrant parents, with no grounding in Canadian culture and pre-occupied with working hard at multiple jobs to keep a roof over their family’s head, are likely to sign up their kids for minor hockey? How many kids, girls and boys, are falling through the very big cracks in the system?

    So anything Hockey Canada can come up with to introduce the game to more people, and to make it more accessible, will be welcome and probably effective. You don’t miss out on 90% of your target clientele and pat yourself on the back, thinking you’re doing a good job.

    I don’t know what the solutions are, but having intra-mural programs at school might work. Also, cheap skate rentals on outdoor ice, along with stick and glove and shin pads for drop-in shinny could work. Lots of roller hockey, ball hockey programs. Targeted programs to address kids who are interested, but whose parents can’t afford the costs. We have drop-in soccer, basketball, volleyball, etc, drop-in hockey has to be made accessible to neophytes, young adults who’ve always wanted to try but don’t know how. If they can, they’re much more likely to sign their kids up for minor hockey when the time comes.

    Really, with these numbers and that study commissioned by Hockey Canada, it’s evident there are a great number of low hanging fruits. Hockey Canada does a great job with its elite development program, it’s high time they focus on growing the base too.

    • JohninTruro says:

      Nice read/story UCE, like you hockey was just hockey and it wasn’t a choice you just played and that’s the way it was and I loved it. But I always knew (mainly cause I was always made aware) that the expense would keep me from playing for too long.

    • Marc10 says:

      Nice. Great piece.

      There’s definitely a sacrifice to be made to get your kid to play team sports and hockey is on the more onerous of burdens to bear as a parent. It’s expensive. The gear stinks. You’re freezing your butt off in a rink when you could be chilling by a beach (in some cases…) It’s a big ask.

      It’s really down to the fans to transmit their passion to their kids and to sacrifice for their sake when you think the endeavour is worth it. I learned English in a few months by playing minor hockey in Mississauga, met people from all walks of life, and learned that to get anything worthwhile takes effort and often the cooperation of others. It has served me well.

      As much as I like to watch my Habs, I much prefer to lace up the skates and have a go with my beer league buds. You can PVR a game, but you can’t buy an evening out on the ice with the lads taking it the guys wearing the wrong colours. That stuff is priceless. It’s a great escape, it keeps you in shape and makes the beer taste better afterwards.

      Hockey Canada and local rinks would serve their interests well by volunteering free gear and organizing carpools. Save people some coin and time and you’ll fill rinks with happy kids of all ages.

    • usaref says:

      UCE your post is spot on

    • Chris says:

      Honestly, I think hockey and football have a huge problem with the concussion issue. How does a parent willingly sign their kids up for a sport that we now know dramatically increases their risks of repeated brain trauma with the corresponding likelihood of permanent damage? When are we going to see the first lawsuits filed by kids against their parents for knowingly signing up the kids for a sport that increases their risk of debilitating injury? I have zero doubt that these types of lawsuits are coming…it is a matter of when at this point.

      Throw in the exhorbitant cost of equipment and ice time (my brother’s daughter plays “rep” hockey in a league with only two teams, yet he is still being asked to shell out over $1000 per winter in team fees…it isn’t a sport anymore, but a business) and the fact that far cheaper and safer sports, such as soccer, are now seeing year-round facilities being built like crazy and I think the non-hockey players will be increasingly the norm, not the kids that do play hockey.

    • Cal says:

      Good post, UCE. I believe it is the unregulated violence that leaves a lot of parents telling themselves, “This isn’t going to happen to my kid.” Secondly, the cost of the game (thanks, Nike, Reebok and Easton for your low prices) that holds parents back. Thirdly, it is the time. A parent’s weekend should not revolve around one child playing a game.
      When soccer is so cheap in comparison, hockey will lose more and more participants. While violence and serious injuries to kids continue, participation will continue to drop.
      The NHL is ultimately responsible for killing participation in the sport at the grass roots level. Is this what happens when a basketball lawyer is put in charge and is blind to everything except revenues?

    • krob1000 says:

      I have on older boy who plays A hockey…by no means top level and the cost all in is approx 5000/yr. They get about 60 games incl. tourneys, 2 hours of practice a week and usually one hour of other instuction. The real kicker? not the money…it is the time! Because we are in Kingston we put in about 15-25 hours including buses, early arrivals,etc just to get that much icetime (our league plays in the whitby, ajax, uxbridge, port perry,etc loop so average road trip is 2 hrs away). Don’t get me wrong the boys absolutely love it but since our season ended I have pooled a group of kids and twice a week (if I can do 2) I just rent the ice….they pay 10 dollars (just enough to cover the cost) and they scrimmage…I half heartedly referre but just let them play. They love it! Why?
      Because all season they have me, their parents or another coach harping at them, they are too busy (living on buses) to get to the outdoor rink and play shinny and they honestly are just finding out what it is like to play shinny for fun. The boys who play house league are the ones enjoying the outdoor rink and still lovng the game as they get older while many of these boys start to lose the fun aspect. We still keep the pace quick and it is all rep players who play but we encourage the stay at home dmen to experiment, the goalscorers to play occasionally on d, to try also things out of their comfort zone, we have them try to emulate was shinny was to our generation growing up. The outdoor rink was truly like a hockey canvas where you could try to do what you saw Gretzky d the night before, only you could try it with your own twist, you could be MAts NAslund, then be Ray Bourque a minute later, rush like Paul Coffey, get set like BRett Hull, Pass like Wayne or dangle like Mario. I did not learn to skate until I was 13 and by 15 was better than most of the local AAA’s my age…because I loved it. I would og to the outdoor rink at 9am when it opened and stay until 9pm…my dad would bring me snacks, lunch and supper. I missed out on the technical instruction but made up for it with icetime, fun, enthusiasm and time…but I enjoyed every second of my time….I never HAD to go to the rink, I never had to play a certain way,etc,etc.

      The response has been overwhleming and now I have people approaching me asking to get on a list to play with our group just because the boys are telling everyone how fun it is. After every ice time about half of the kids actaully thank me…..I can tell you they do NOT thank me after a regualr season game or practice despite it being far more work. They are thankful to have a fun, fast paced game without any pressure. It is soon coming to an end since the season is around the corner but I would encourage every coach out there to do the same. You can gget last minute ice rates, get just enough money to cover the cost and just let the boys be boys….you will be shocked how much they actually improve without instruction and the joy they get out of it….these are boys aged 12-15 who have spent several years missing out on this.

  36. Marc10 says:

    Ah the Leafs… They had tons of cap room and then they screwed the pooch!

    I guess they’ll need to buy out Liles…

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      They could have kept Grabbo and bought out Lilles. Sounds like they didn’t even plan ahead.

    • Sportfan says:

      Nothing like them blowing it!

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      • Marc10 says:

        Signing Clarkson to that ridiculous contract was classic cap mismanagement. It’s already blowing up in their face… Classic Hogtown nutjob.

        • 25insight says:

          I know this is sacrilege to post on this site, but i have a feeling the leafs will be a deep playoff team this year. Then again I may have to eat my words after the the way they folded to boston last playoffs…

          • Marc10 says:

            Bernier better stand on his head most of the season. They have no offence, no one at center… Pretty much leaving it up to Kadri and Kessel… Not a good look over 82 games. I say they finish 9th.

          • Dust says:

            To say they have no offence besides kessel and kadri is way off. JVR is better than Kadri right now offensively and like it or not Lupul is a great offensive player. Clarkson scored like 28 goals in a year. Offense isn’t the leafs problem…it’s defenss…big time

          • wjc says:

            They gained valuable experience.

            Clarkson was the guy the Canadien fans wanted, be honest.


          • Marc10 says:

            Ah good call… Forgot about JVR and Lupul. That’s 4 players. Clarkson is a nice addition, but remove Grabo and Macarthur and you’re left with fewer goals.

            Defence should be better with their kids getting more experience in front of Bernier and Reimer (who will want to prove to his hot girlfriend he’s still NHL material).

            So yeah, 9th place… 🙂

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      “Regardless of what Toronto might get in return — a prospect or a first-round pick”

      Wishful thinking by the author. Why would anyone give Toronto a first round draft pick for a player who is questionable as a Top 4 defenseman on the Leafs (whose D is nothing to brag about) AND is an RFA that the Leafs are unable to sign due to lack of cap space?

      It would be like trading for Gomez with an albatross contract by giving the other team a very serviceable roster player and a young Dman recently drafted in the first round…

  37. Un Canadien errant says:

    This afternoon I went back to the ‘reading list’ thread from about a week ago, to double-check on a book recommendation, and came across a post by Frontenac wondering if Coach Hawkins would make it to Labour Day. Heck, he barely made it to August. Nice call Frontenac.

  38. Dust says:

    STL resign Bouwmester 5 years 27Mil

  39. Sportfan says:

    I have a question, since its the 25th anniversary that gretzky was traded to LA. Does it really matter anymore?
    I don’t mean it in a bad way, maybe its cause I’m too young, I might not understand it?

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    • donmarco says:

      Interesting question.

      Without knowing how young you are, the Gretzky trade was a seminal moment for the NHL. It showed every fan, that his was, first and foremost, a business, and it always would be from that day forward. But it also put the NHL on the US, and World, map when it came to big league sports. The trade opened up new markets that had never been viable before, and made it the 3+ Billion empire it is today.

      So yeah, it was a pretty big deal that had a permanent effect on the NHL.

  40. Marc10 says:

    5 questions (Smartdog style) for next season…

    1) If the Habs make the playoffs, which kid will have the highest impact? Choose from: Chucky, Gally, Tinordi, AHL call up (specify who)
    2) Which of these players will have the best PPG avg next season? – Gio, Briere, DD
    3) Will Max score 30+?
    4) Will Price win a spot for Sotchi?
    5) Will Gio or Markov be resigned or traded at the deadline?

    • Sportfan says:

      doubt it, unless we are out of the picture playoff wise.

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    • donmarco says:

      Neither will be traded. Gio will be a UFA and After Gonchar and Streit’s contracts, Markov will be re-signed.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      1. Chucky. I am worried about Gallagher. I think teams like Toronto and Ottawa will target him.
      2. No idea.
      3. Yes.
      4. Yes.
      5. Not resigned.

    • Dust says:

      1) Chucky. I have really high hopes for him this year
      2) Gio
      3) tough one. I’ll say yes but i wouldn’t be shocked if he scored 25
      4) Yes he will be one of the 3 goalies selected
      5) If habs are in a playoff spot or contention, no. IF the habs are out of the playoffs and look to be sellers than i would imagine GIO will be shopped.
      I think the habs will resign Markov in the offseason

      • Marc10 says:

        I think both Markov and Gio have some value, especially if they have strong seasons. I see the Habs trying to retain Markov, but if we’re out of the playoff picture, you would imagine a healthy Markov would be of interest.

        Gio is really interesting. I very much doubt he returns as we need to get bigger up front and change the complexion of our top 9 (too many small skilled forwards…) Knowing he’s probably walking, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s shipped for something. Look at what we got for AK46… Not a bad return when you’re building through the draft.

        If players aren’t resigned, I would expect MB to get something in return. The days of letting UFAs go for nothing are over in Montreal I would hope…

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    151 HIO members attending this years HIO Fan Summit.

    I have ordered and paid for all our game and hall of fame tickets, now to organize the rest of the weekend.

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, we will have donated over $10,000 to different children’s charities. This year we are supporting the Mtl. Canadiens Children Foundation.

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    • donmarco says:

      Hi Ian,

      I probably should have messaged you directly but there may possibly be others with the same question.

      Are locals welcome to attend as well? It appears sometimes that the majority of people on this site dont actually live here. I wouldn’t need tickets as I go to pretty much every game as it is, but there are some posters here whose perspectives I truly enjoy, and it sounds like a hell of a lot of fun.

      And I’d be happy to donate to, and purchase from, the raffles as well.

      This is an absolutely awesome thing that you do for this site.

  42. commandant says:

    New Oilers Top Shelf

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  43. Sportfan says:

    Jack Todds take on the Hawkins firing<

    bad hire on Popps side.

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    • donmarco says:

      It wasn’t a “bad” hire,it was a risky one, and the risk didn’t pay off. I have no problem with the Als thinking outside the box, it worked last time. I also have no problem with them realizing it’s still early enough to still be able to salvage the season.

      What I don’t like, though, is Popp coaching. At all.

  44. Sportfan says:

    If Countries not named Canada boycott, means more medals for us!

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I was surprised at how strongly our foreign affairs minister John Baird criticized the Russian govt for their homophobia.

      Is he:

      1. genuinely concerned,
      2. trying to look like a kindler gentler Tory because he hopes to replace Harper
      3. or publicly criticizing a competing oil exporting country at a time when Canadian oil is so unpopular?

      • Ed says:

        seriously? do you think Canadian oil is unpopular? man, oh man, what this world is coming to?

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Absolutely. Why do you think they can’t get the Keystone Pipeline built? I linked to a piece in the FP on the previous thread. Alberta is worried sick about it. I have friends with contacts in the provincial govt. and in the Oil Industry there. They figure they’re losing billions because of this. For some reason American environmentalist have fewer qualms about Middle East oil.

          • Phil C says:

            Activists like Al Gore has really put Canadian oil in the cross hairs. The ironic thing is that the US may become a major producer of oil again in the next decade using similar less efficient extraction techniques that Canada uses. It was so much easier when oil just bubbled out of the ground. But until we heat our homes and fuel our cars with something besides fossil fuels, the demand will be there.

            As for Baird, maybe he is taking it personally.

      • HabFab says:

        You are almost as cynical as I am.

      • H.Upmann says:

        I hear from a close gay friend who has worked in parliament that John Baird is gay himself…

      • Chris says:

        Baird has no designs on Harper’s job. He’s widely seen as a “safe” minister for Harper because everybody knows that he has no chance in hell of winning the Conservative leadership.

        Kenney, Moore, McKay, Ambrose, Alexander, Leitch, and Bernier will duke it out for the leadership, with Rempel as their photogenic darkhorse candidate due to her clever wit and media-darling status.

  45. Hab33 says:

    I’m not blaming Groulx or Carey for last years surmise in the playoffs. toughness and injuries were the main reason’s for the end result. need a tough guy with some skill on every line and I don’t see that. don’t expect a big difference 2013-2014. In the regular season I think we’ll see some exciting hockey. making the playoffs will be a guessing game.

    Good luck to Groulx in Germany.

  46. frontenac1 says:

    I love the winter Olympics. There is real danger in a number of sports. Summer Olympics suck. Run,jump,throw a spear or a disc,Zzzzzzzzz.

  47. frontenac1 says:

    Phone chips in peoples brains! Hey, what’s to stop them from tracking you down,pressing a button and Poof! Smoke comes out your ears and your head blows to pieces? This has to be stopped amigos.

  48. frontenac1 says:

    @habfab. They want to put phone chips in peoples brains?Probably the same people trying to breed ape-men in Russia.

  49. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …My final (controversial ?) thought in HIO before I proceed to enjoy a beautiful summer day in the Land Of The Weird

    …after Snowden being granted ‘temporary’ visa to leave the Moscow airport to stay in Russia, if I was Obama (which some of Yaz prolly are glad I am not) I would absolutely not approve the US to participate in the Sochi Winter Olympics

    …will be verrrry innnterrrestinngg to see what happens re Sochi

    …anyhoo, I’m off to avoid reality …at the pool wit da Kidz

    …seez Y’all later

    • HabFab says:

      A weird thought but don’t you think it is good for the Americans to occasionally be told NO…. just a thought and have a good evening.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Why use athletes as pawns for Political agendas though. I could understand some form of statements, but maybe Obama could just speak direct to Putin instead of destroying many athletes lifelong dream to help send a political message.

      • HabFab says:

        Actually Obama has already called Putin about this.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        It was stupid in 1980 and would be stupid in 2014. It accomplishes nothing but a stupid symbolic nothing.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        “Why use athletes as pawns for Political agendas though.”

        Although I agree it would be futile to avoid going to Sochi because of Snowden, the athletes are already pawns for political agendas. Russia is using these Olympic Games as a major advertisement for itself.

        The Olympics could go apolitical and remove all the flags and anthems, and just have a bunch of athletes competing. Ratings would probably go down though.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          You make a good point, the IOC is perhaps one of the best examples of a corrupt organization hiding behind its Olympic flag. However, there are still hundreds of athletes who have dedicated much of their young adult life for this one competition. It is those I am referring to.

        • L Elle says:

          It is a Pomp and PED filled monstrosity, true. The networks will tug at our heart strings with stories of athletes whose father died when he was two, and his mother died when he was four, and his poor old grandmother had to scrape every penny together, just to buy him a pair of used skis, and rely on kindly neighbours to drive the kid to and from practice because she couldn’t afford a car, etc…

          But, under all that, there is still great achievement and just a fun event to watch. Fun, the bottom line.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Call me sour, but those kids have dedicated their young lives to winning a medal, not to curing illness, ending poverty or developing the next great video game. So you sacrificed yourself for a chance to win a medal in the judo. So what?

    • L Elle says:

      What do the Olympics have to do with politics? Gone are the days of the Cold War. Whoever decides to award the Olympics to countries like China and Russia should be aware that there will always be a faction that cries”Boycott” at the slightest perception of injustice. This is a mindset that needs to stop.

      Besides, those poor athletes have spent PED-filled years preparing for their big day. 😉

      I, for one, can’t wait to see Canada win gold. Call me selfish.

      There are tons and tons of injustice on this planet. Is it only in an Olympic year that we care? If the answer is yes, than how hypocritical.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Well said L, especially the PED part. I enjoy sports in part to temporarily escape lifes real issues. I don’t like to mix up the two. Ever.

  50. JUST ME says:

    I believe a goaler `s coach can help him improve up to a certain point and then someone else can make the goaler get even better in his technique.
    Sometimes you get to have a special relationship like the one between Roy and Allaire use to have and it can last a very long time.
    A goaler`s coach does not have the same relationship as other coaches have with other type of hockey player. A big part of the job is psychological and if it does not click between two individuals it is no use… also the limits in that type of relationship are more fragile and obvious.
    And like Groulx in MTL you get to a point where you went as far as you could so…No fault on anybody it is just like this.

    • Steven says:

      I agree wholeheartedly. I remember Price improving greatly when Groulx came along(well, besides the season where Halak took off). Only recently did he drop, so I think what Groulx taught him made him better, but now he needs someone else to teach him more.

  51. ClutchNGrab says:

    Can somebody explains to me the difference in the perception of so called expert between Corey Crawford and Jonathan Quick? The first one is often seen as a goaltender that has to prove himself while the other is mainly seen as elite. It puzzles me.

  52. Un Canadien errant says:

    Nice articles by Dave Stubbs on Pierre Groulx. Interesting to see what his next challenge is going to be, Munich would be an adventure for most of us, but especially for him with his young family. Good to see that he “landed on his skates” as Mr. Stubbs wrote, and to see what his frame of mind is after having been let go by the Canadiens. Again, the fact that he’s walking away with no ill-will towards Marc Bergevin and the Canadiens is a positive.

    Maybe due to the rant by Rollie Melanson, Mr. Groulx took some shots here on HIO, where he’s now treated as a pariah and incompetent. In fact, he must have been doing something right to hold down the job for so long. Let’s agree that there was a need for a change, a question of fit, and wish all parties the best of luck.

    Oh, and who knew James Reimer had been banished to the DEL? Sure, he had a collapse for the ages in these playoffs, but I wouldn’t thought that his ‘Golly gee whiz’ act had grown that thin on the Leafs.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      The Stubbs piece is also good. If I didn’t know that Dave always writes with 100% professional impartiality, I could nearly be persuaded to suspect that there was a hint of indignation in the piece on behalf of Groulx!

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Did I just misread a post?!
        Or did it used to say Stu Cowan, hence my ref to Stubbs?…

        • HabFab says:

          Into the good stuff my friend? Or maybe not 🙂 You have to be quick around here.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            You know, that’s a great idea Frank.
            Bed-time here in GMT — think I deserve a night-cap.
            John J.
            Sláinte one and all.
            (UCE DEFINITELY had Cowan, then amended, with no concern for making his fellow poster, at a distance of 7000km, look like an eejit! Hey, no prob, Normand! I’m fully capable of making myself look like that without any help!)

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            HabFab’s got my back.

            You’re partially right though Dunboyne, Stu Cowan penned the HIO article, and linked to Dave Stubbs’ Gazette pieces. It’s a perfectly understandable mistake for you to make.

            Got a note from my library, the Canadiens book is here, I’ll let you know how it is, as soon as I’m finished Dean Koontz’ “Life Expectancy”, a SmartDog recommendation. He knows his poop.

  53. Sportfan says:

    That poor goalie in Germany 😛

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  54. FishOutOfWater says:

    i donno about everybody else. but i wish i had somebody to do that drill with…

  55. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. What’s up amigo? The lads are giving you the gears here today eh? I got your back,at least until I pass out and fall down. Saludos!

  56. frontenac1 says:

    Big Bird was the complete package amigos. He was also a great Enforcer. Check out how he tuned Dave “the Hammer”Schultz on youtube. Big Bird and Doug Harvey. Two of the greatest D to ever play the game. Saludos!

  57. Roy_s_WINK says:


    Name 3 things that are amazing about the current Habs.

    Honour our team, for I am Patrick Roy’s Wink.

  58. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …the current Habs are, if not anything else, an ‘interesting Team’ …made up of eclectic pieces with an appealing ‘personality’

    …it could surprise Us, it could disappoint Us (which is not unique to any NHL team) …but it should entertain Us

    …I’m not personally ‘expecting’ too much as I feel We are still in a building-maturing process in a way that is to Me very reassuring, …very unlike the dysfunction of the past couple decades

    …I would not be surprised if We surprise again this season as a very competitive Team …but, the most important unknown factor is Carey Price

    …this is ‘The Year’ for Carey in Montreal, one way or other …He can not afford a repetition of His performance last year

    …at the end of the season He will either own Montreal like a god, …or He will be it’s victim

  59. Habfan10912 says:

    Eventually he’ll run out of Email addresses to use, won’t he?

  60. krob1000 says:

    WOW…I knew Robinson had the best plus minus of all time ( I will give the stat some credit over 1384 games lol)…he NEVER had a minus season…that is incredible. His record is likely as untouchable as any record in sport….he was a career plus 730 next closest were Bourque and Gretz both over 200 away at 528 and 518 (gretz got up over 600 but he was a minus 92 for the latter years dragging his number down).

    • HabFab says:

      For Big Birds career, PP’s counted in the plus / minus not to diminish his record.

      • krob1000 says:

        really? I was not aware of that…that makes it very weird then..what year did they stop that?
        I cannot find this anywhere…are you sure aobut htis? can anyone else verify?

        • HabFab says:

          Not sure, just goggled but couldn’t find that. Interesting fact was that it was started by the Canadiens in the 50’s but not used by the NHL until ’67-68

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …Robinson not being a part of the Habs organization post-career tells You everything You can say of how mismanaged the Montreal Canadiens have been for 20+ years

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I was really hoping that two seasons ago MT and MB would have been able to bring LR back, Seems like it was what everyone wanted. I guess timing was an issue but still.

      • krob1000 says:

        HE was one of the guys I was alluding to on my rants the other day….on the flip side Detroit is already retiring Lidstroms number….can’t wait to have him back around the players. Detroit has become what many of us still believe Montreal is…a winning organization that has a winning pride and tradition as part of its fabric….MB has his work cut out for him and hopefully he can bring that back….having Robinson involved would be a great first step.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Bobby Orr had the highest season +/- at +124

      Ka is a wheel.

      “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
      Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

      For Your Life

      • Chuck says:

        Larry was +120 in 1976-77.

        Anyone but the Sens! (Check.) And Boston (Triple check.) Oh, and the Laffs, too. (Double check.)

      • The Dude says:

        I will never forget the time Orr tried to rush past Robinson and on this particular effort bad news for Bobby.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          I’ll never forget Robinson drilling Dornhoffer so hard into the boards they shook. That and Schultz getting his face beat by Robinson.

          Good times!

          Ka is a wheel.

          “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
          Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

          For Your Life

    • petefleet says:

      Robinson also played the hard minutes against the other teams best. Gretzky can’t say that. Larry was a one of a kind and the Habs could use him on their bench.

      I haven’t been wrong in a long time…..not feeling like today is the day.

      ***Go Habs Go***

  61. HabFab says:

    The Summer Try out Camp for the USA WJC team starts on Saturday. Vail is there from the Habs. The Swedish and Finnish teams are there too. Not sure which Hab prospects are invited to those two teams, De La Rose for sure as he just twittered his arrival at Lake Placid.

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …a new thread every morning ! …hmmm, this is going to take some getting used to

    • HabFab says:

      So what about those Als?

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …like I said below, Als chose someone they regret …but most teams would give a 2 and 3 coach with no CFL experience a little more time before pulling the plug

        …and Popp is a better GM than a head coach

        …tough way for Calvillo to go out

        • The_Truth says:

          Maybe he will go out a champ? The Als have a lot of talent and Popp knows the team and system, that Trestman implemented, as well as anyone. Popp did lead the team to a Grey Cup finals once. He is a better GM yes, but is plenty competent as a CFL coach.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            I believe his (Popp) record is 10-13 regular season and 1-3 in the playoffs.

            He’s a better GM.

            Ka is a wheel.

            “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
            Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

            For Your Life

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …I will hope so …Calvillo deserves it

  63. The_Truth says:

    That was quick. Als fire Dan Hawkins and Jim Popp takes over as head coach again. Doug Berry will be the new OC. Bad hire to begin with. At least Popp wasn’t too proud to admit such and moved quickly.

  64. thehabs21 says:

    So does anyone think this team is going to be any good next season? and if so, please give me a few reasons…

    “I can’t really hear what Jeremy says, because I’ve got my two Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears”

    • kalevine says:

      A lot of things will have to come together this year for the team to even finish in the lower echelons of the playoff picture IMO. But last year was so improbable, so who knows. One thing is for sure, several forwards who weren’t very productive last year will have to step it up, and those who were will have to at least play to that level. The defence and penalty killing will have to be a lot better, and the goaltending will have to be a lot better. I don’t think the rest of the league will spot us quite as much as they did last year

      • The_Truth says:

        A lot of ifs. It’s hard to pin this team down in assessing how good they are. Last in the Conference 2 seasons ago, a great start to last season where they looked like a top team and a terrible stretch run and playoffs.

        I think they will be pretty decent in the regular season. Maybe finish 6th or 7th. I don’t see much happening in the Playoffs as things stand. They just don’t have the right make-up and nothing has really changed from last year. Just another year in Habsland.

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      norris winner pk,
      2 of the youngest up and commers in the nhl. gallys
      fresh seasons for eller, max, and david d
      price gets married
      markov and gionta giving there all.
      add briere ppg playoff
      parros effect>prust>moen
      new coaching strategies. new goalie coach
      tinordi LL and dumont coming up when called upon. emelins return.

    • Timo says:

      Reasons: Michael Therrien, Marc Bergevin, David Desharnais, Josh Gorges, Travis Moen, Brian Gionta, Daniel Briere, Rafael Diaz, Francis Boullion, Andrei Markov… that should be enough for starters.

    • Garbo says:

      Yes. They were very good last year and the moves they have in the off-season have only made them better. Why would they not be good this year?

      • The_Truth says:

        Which part of last year? The beginning, or the part where teams came out to play? Don’t forget, Habs were only .500 against playoff teams and didn’t play the tougher Western Conference (Chicago, LA, St Louis, Anaheim, San Jose etc.), whose style matches up great against the Habs. Detroit is in the division now as well.

        Off season moves haven’t made them better. Ryder and Armstrong for Briere and Parros? Pretty much a wash if Briere can stay healthy, which is a big if.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Agree that Briere staying heathy is an if but we differ greatly that if he does its a wash. Briere is so much better than Ryder it’s not even close. Still with ya on the “If” part though.

          • The_Truth says:

            I disagree that Briere is “so much better, it’s not even close”. We are not talking about the Briere of old. This is the 36 year old, broken down version. Still an effective player, but how effective is unknown.

            The last few years he hasn’t been at Ryder’s level production wise, totalling 22 goals and 65 points in 104 games. Ryder on the other hand has 51 goals and 97 points in 126 games. They are both one-dimensional, so as far as I can see, they are at best a wash in comparison.

      • piper says:

        Emelin being out for half the season will hurt their chances. If MB can bring in some one to fill that void then they have a decent chance at making the playoffs.

  65. Ian Cobb says:

    Did we get our entertainment fix last year from our Hab’s in the shortened season.?
    And I say we did indeed. This year and each year after that, we will grow into a solid contending team.

    We have some great kids in the system, it is going to take a few years to develop them up to NHL grade. Then watch out. But we are playing a much more entertaining brad of hockey. Instead of watching grass grow with J. Martin or Carbo!.

  66. HabFab says:

    Hearing that Dustin Tokarski is less then keen to continue his career in Montreal. Wants to go to a team that he has a shot at playing in the NHL sooner. Has anyone else heard anything?

    • HabFab says:

      Nano technology, on it’s way and coming soon to the chip in your brain.

      • Chris says:

        You would be correct in arguing that nanoscience since humans first made their appearance on the Earth, as our cells rely heavily on nanotechnology. 😉

        • HabFab says:

          Actually spent a day Seminar this year being educated on Nano Technology and there is actually research going on to replace cell phones with a chip inserted into your brain. Hopefully I’m too old to see that. Very interesting otherwise!

          Plus a nano is twice the size of DNA, so yeah to your point.

          • Chris says:

            Not twice the size of DNA. DNA is 10’s of nanometres in length.

            Nanoscience/nanotechnology is definitely an interesting subject!

  67. The_Truth says:

    I found it funny in the Sportsnet goaltending article when Simmonds wrote that The Olympic experience might bring Price back into form, “even with all those mini-forwards up front” lol.

  68. Roy_s_WINK says:

    Parros & Prust are going to re-shape the attitude of this team and make other players step up their own level of sandpaper

    Max & Briere are going to have amazing chemistry.

    Gorges is going to be your captain after Gio leaves. Respect him as your God.

    Price is going to win a starter job for Canada and shock the world.

    Markov is going to teach Emelin the secret Russian technique to PP control.

    DD will match Gallagher point for point as they defy the sizing odds of the league.

    Honour our team, for I am Patrick Roy’s Wink.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      You may not believe this my friend, but PK will be the Club and the players choice in a couple of years when Gionta moves on.

      • Roy_s_WINK says:


        My day is truly blessed because I have been acknowledged directly by you!

        I actually agree with you about PK, I just hope that the title doesn’t become a target.

        Honour our team, for I am Patrick Roy’s Wink.

    • habs001 says:

      At least you did not predict that the Habs will win the cup this year as every year since i been here there has been at least one poster who does…Hopefully Price shocks the world by winning gold and not by finishing 8th lol…

      • Ian Cobb says:

        We have some great kids in the system, it is going to take a few years to develop them up to NHL grade. Then watch out. But we are playing a much more entertaining brad of hockey. Instead of watching grass grow with J. Martin.

  69. HabinBurlington says:

    Been a while since getting this honour.

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