Fluky goal put Pacioretty on a roll

The Canadiens will be looking to extend their streak of recording at least one point in a game to 12 when they visit the New York Islanders Tuesday night (7 p.m., RDS, TSN 690 Radio).

The last time the Canadiens failed to pick up a point in a game was on Feb. 9, when they lost 6-0 to the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Bell Centre. Since then, they have gone 8-0-3 to move into first place in the Eastern Conference.

Max Pacioretty has also been on fire with eight goals and four assists in his last eight games and was named the NHL’s first star of the week on Monday after posting 4-3-7 totals in four games.

Pacioretty has been on fire since scoring his first goal of the season on a fluky bounce shot in a 3-0 win over Carolina on Feb. 18 that brought back memories of former Habs defenceman J.C. Tremblay.

“It’s strange to think that it all started with that fluky goal,” Pacioretty told reporters on Monday. “I scored the next game and now I’m playing with a lot of confidence and I find I’m moving my feet. This honour is great but it’s really a team award and I have to thank my teammates and the two guys on my line.”

The Canadiens held an optional morning skate Tuesday on Long Island. The only players who didn’t take part were Brian Gionta, Tomas Kaberle, Tomas Plekanec, Francis Bouillon, Michael Ryder and Brandon Prust.

Carey Price will start in goal for the Canadiens.

(Photo by Frank Gunn/The Canadian Press)

Pacioretty on fire since fluky first goal, by Pat Hickey

Pacioretty’s goal brings back memories of J.C. Tremblay, by Stu Cowan

Game Preview: Canadiens vs. Islanders, by canadiens.com

Game Preview: Canadiens vs. Islanders, by newyorkislanders.com

Habs respond to Julien’s comments, by canadiens.com

Relive the first hours of Michael Ryder’s return to the Canadiens

Ryder has had great NHL career for an eighth-round draft pick, by Stu Cowan

First half of NHL season features surprises, by The Canadian Press

Kaleta warrants more punishment, by Cam Cole of Postmedia News

Hockey cards top $100,000 at auction, by Randy Boswell of Postmedia News

428 Comments

  1. youngwun says:

    You gotta love Habs fans. Teams in first playing well, they still got something to say after finishing at the bottom last year!

  2. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    It certainly feels good to be in 1st in the Conference.

    With the way the Habs are playing, it’s becoming more and more clear that we won’t be benefitting from a high draft pick in what is thought to be a very strong draft year.

    I’ve given up hope on landing one of the big guys, but I still hope Bergevin can acquire another 1st-rounder to take advantage of the talent available this year.

    So, to all of you who follow the prospects (i.e. Loonie, Commandant, etc.):

    Who are you looking at for the Habs should we have a pick in the 20s?

    I’m still hoping we can find a way to land Max Domi in the middle of the first round. Tons of skill.

  3. HabFanSince72 says:

    Shane O’Brien is behind Ryan Oh-Oh’Byrne on Colorado’s depth chart. They have a pretty mediocre defence and he can’t even crack their starting lineup.

    Why do we want him?

  4. wd40 says:

    I like the dog following Max in the sled pushing video. Too funny.

  5. Steven says:

    Further down, GuyDoon had suggested we look into acquiring Shane O’Brien from Colorado. I don’t think that’s a bad idea at all.

    He’s been sitting, apparently, and I don’t know why that is, but he’s the kind of defenseman who could actually clear the crease for us, and he does have a mean streak. He’s only signed for 2 mill per year, though it’s for around 3 years. It probably wouldn’t take much to acquire him. Thoughts?

  6. Davis says:

    Therrien didn’t luck out in choosing Budaj over Price – he had no choice. Price was playing like a deer caught in headlights. Man, he is one awful goalie: drops down too soon, and at the wrong times; plays too deep in the net; gets caught out of position; weak blocker side; too often can’t see pucks shot from a distance; seems disinterested in finding or fighting for the puck. Really, the solid “team defense” is making him look better than he is, and plain dumb luck says that some pucks are just going to hit you, even if you can’t see them, and can’t move. No cup for my Habs, so long as Price is the go-to goalie.

  7. myron.selby says:

    @Loonie – Nice to see I’m not the only one noticing the change in Markov’s game. He realizes that he has lost a couple of steps and is now watching constantly for opportunities to break up plays before they can get started.

    He is going forward instead of back when the play comes towards him and is picking off passes constantly. Yeah it looks awful when it doesn’t work and he creates a 2-on-1 for Emelin to clean up, but my guess is that he’s preventing 7 or 8 plays for every one he gives up.

    He can do this because his best weapon has always been his vision and brain. I always thought of him as a poor man’s Lidstrom.

    The other thing I wouldn’t be surprised to see is if next year he is a lot quicker and stronger than this year. I suspect that all his recent training and conditioning was focused on re-Hab-ing (no pun intended) his knee. Because he knows full well that he is slower and not holding players on the boards, I expect he’ll focus on his speed and stamina to regain as much as possible of his former skills.

  8. 24 Cups says:

    Re: a trade with Colorado.

    Patrick Bordeleau was drafted in 2004. Minnesota didn’t even bother to sign him. He then played eight more years without even getting into one NHL game. This is his first year in the NHL with the lowly Avs. During his four years in the AHL, he scored a total of 7 goals. The only conclusion is that this guy can’t play NHL hockey.

    Concerning O’Byrne or O’Brien, if they play, that means one of Emelin, Diaz or Bouillon must sit. I can’t see that happening.

    • The Dude says:

      Ya …it’s much better too get our boy’s a sh_t kicking next time we face the Bruins in Montreal in 5 days?

      • Loonie says:

        We don’t play the Bruins again until the end of the month and if Bergevin wanted to pick up a figther he could sign one.

        Giving up assets for fighters is bad business in my opinion.

    • adamkennelly says:

      valid points…but..he is big, can fight and is local – nice plus. We seriously need a big, mean, crease clearing, Lucic smakin D man on this team…I don’t care if Frankie sits.

    • Bash says:

      Yep…he would be cheap for sure and would dress only when needed.
      5 minutes on the fourth line with the other wingers picking up another 4 or 5 as the game develops. And MT might just make him a better person. :)

      “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

  9. Haligonian-Hab says:

    Thinking back to Sunday night, it’s a good thing Emelin didn’t have his stick when Chara charged him. I can only imagine the spear that he would’ve given him.

  10. Bill says:

    @Loonie

    On the subject of Lapierre, don’t you think he was kind of a penalty magnet and also sort of an embarrassment? The whole “Habs are divers” thing is his legacy … or Claude Lemieux’s legacy, which he revived.

    I never liked his taunting, cheap shots, or diving myself. Was sort of relieved when he got traded.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Loonie says:

      I agree with everything you said. He was often an embarrassment. But I’d rather be embarrassed than injured due to opposing players crossing the line and taking liberties.

      On the penalty point, he drew his share too.

      • Bill says:

        Ok, I get you.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • 24 Cups says:

          I miss Laps. Moen/Laps/White would be a good 4th line. Montreal would also have two guys who can play center on that line which is always a good thing.

          • Timo says:

            I don’t think anything that has Moen is any good. Moen is done. Whether he is injured or just lost any interest, he is as useless as tits on the bull. I don’t remember last time he threw a hit.

            Him and Armstrong may not be costing games (yet) but the clearly not generating any energy (let alone intimidation) a forth line should generate.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Here’s the thing with Moen. There has been a clear track record of him playing full out whenever his contract comes up for renewal or his job is on the line in terms of his team’s depth chart. He’s in his first season of a four year deal so I think sitting him down for a few games might be the answer. Once some injured players come back, this message should be sent loud and clear.

  11. JUST ME says:

    Well well well, from the looks of things the whole Julien story is coming back to bite him. Sooooo happy ! Now the medias in the U.S. are after him and Marchand. So if he wanted to help his team and have the refs look elsewhere i guess he missed…

    As for tonight`s game i would like to say that this should be an easy one but let`s play safe and say the old, it`ll be a good challenge citation…
    Let`s not forget what happened the last time those two met. The Isles have lots of talent,speed,puck movement but no defense so it is up to the habs to grab this one and put it away.
    Price should be ready for this one and to redeem himself (as if he really needed to…)
    The main problem is to keep the motivation on full throttle against a team like this one.

  12. Kfourn says:

    On the subject of embellishment, every team does it to some extent, but if a Columbus Blue Jacket player dives and nobody is there to see it, did he still dive?

    _______________________________________________________
    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  13. habs001 says:

    The hope with Moen is that he will elevate his game in the playoffs..Armstrong has not done anything negative but in the long run his position needs upgrading…I believe White will get better…Eller i like as he battles and makes good plays but right now i see him as a third line centre as he has not shown to me that he can produce scoring worthy of 1st or 2nd line centre…he just does not produce enough opportunities that will result in consistent scoring

    • Loonie says:

      Eller

      .5 ppg pace on the third and fourth lines.

      2 points in one full game with Desharnais and Pacioretty.

      2 points in one and a half games with Gionta and Prust.

      Nope, no upside there at all.

      • habs001 says:

        The Habs will always have at least 2 centres that are better than Eller so he will likely remain their 3rd centre…He has upside but just cannot see him as a number 1 or number 2…i know you like him and i hope i am wrong but to me he just does not have the offensive acumen to produce scoring consistently that puts him into the top two centres on this club.

        • Loonie says:

          This is the irony. Many people doubted Desharnais’ ability to produce offense based on the eye test and ignoring the numbers that he produced at every level.

          When people say that Eller doesn’t show them he can produce offense they’re ignoring both his numbers and what the eye test says.

          He creates space for himself. Something that runs contrary to the popular opinion that he “lacks vision or hockey iq”

          To the point of creativity, in the Pens game he again showed that he does have creativity by drawing defenders to the slot and dropping the puck to Gionta.

          Creativity again displayed with a spinorama on a penalty shot.

          People don’t seem to realize that he’s the same age as PK Subban.

          He’s proving yet again to level headed fans that he can produce offense regardless of the role he’s in and as such it stands to reason and the numbers show that he produces more when in a scoring role or surrounded with players capable of making plays offensively.

          But the criteria for his “offensive ceiling” continues to change when this discussion comes up because like Desharnais he continues to prove his doubters wrong.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Bigger issue is the defence. Markov is playing too many minutes. Who is our shut down pair? PK and Gorges should be but seem to be making mistakes every game. I think out 2 horses are PK and Emelin but can they play together? Who knows…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  14. Bash says:

    As one poster indicated, Bordeleau from the Av’s might be our guy.
    They don’t need him and he does not have to dress for every game for us.

    He might be the guy to take on Chara! So F it…sign him just for that :)
    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Bash says:

      Bordeleau and O’Byrne for Weber and a 3rd in 2013. That pick will be late me thinks.

      As one poster indicated, Bordeleau from the Av’s might be our guy.
      They don’t need him and he does not have to dress for every game for us.

      He might be the guy to take on Chara! So F it…sign him just for that :)
      “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

      • remi_10069 says:

        I don’t understand why MB doesn’t pull the trigger on that deal. Local boy taking care of business, think of the sweaters he would sell.

        pipes

    • GuyDoon says:

      You know who else the AVs are sitting in the press box” Shane O’Brien. Isn’t he a Bad ass, clear the front of the net, little bit creazy, good fighter, kind of D we could use?

  15. JustSomeguy says:

    Not sure if this has been posted, but it’s another Bruins “highlight” reel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6IxtxfsNWg

  16. D Man says:

    Stay out of the box, boys!

    You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  17. 24 Cups says:

    Weiss and Theodore are basically out for the season. Florida will now engage in a dog fight with Columbus for last place.

  18. Loonie says:

    A post about Roman Harmrlik.

    For the majority of his career he was an incredibly well rounded defenseman without a weakness in any area.

    Around halfway through his time with Montreal things started disappearing from his game.

    Most notably he put himself in terrible spots on the ice. When the Habs gained control of the puck in their own zone he would often wall himself off and place himself at the halfboards, directly against the boards. Teams employing a two man forecheck had their way with him when the puck was on his stick. And it was routine.

    Also, something that he never recognized was that his foot speed disappearing should have lead to a change in his gap control. He played attackers as if he were 25 years old in his mid-thirties. Something Andrei Markov has recognized he can’t do anymore. Markov attacks more than ever now because he understands that it’s going to be a high risk high reward play regardless of how he defends with his footspeed not what it once was. Hamrlik didn’t realize this and he often wound up chasing players to his own net.

    He also lost his ability to move the puck while he was moving. Toward the end of his time in Montreal he began to move the puck from a stationary spot on the ice and because of that his ability to create offense all but evaporated.

    He never lost his great ability to play on the boards and in front of the net though and it’s something we’re in dire need of today.

    But in my opinion the people who believe he was among the Habs’ best defensemen through his last couple of years here are out to lunch.

    His game escaped him like it does so many others at that point in their careers. It’s not an indictment of him, it was father time catching up with him.

  19. Phil C says:

    I was out of town for a few days so I just watched the Bruins game. I think the Habs have stumbled upon a formula to beat the Bs. Just make sure Chara is watching, then crosscheck the nearest Bruin. Hard. Standby for the caveman to lose it and take the knuckle-dragger to the box for 17 minutes, during which time the Bruins’ weaknesses on defense are exposed and you can run up the score. Who says fighting can’t win you hockey games?

  20. PoolFool says:

    What’s. The latest news on Diaz and Bork?

  21. Habitoba says:

    Claim Hammer off Caps waiver and waive Kaberle?

    • Cal says:

      No. Kaberle is ably being #7 and is a plus as MT uses him properly.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I believe the amnesty option for Kabrele is not available this season. The cap hit would be too enormous for him to be waived.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        I thought the same thing but I heard a few posters say otherwise.

        I looked into it and the amnesty buyout can be applied in year one and/or year two.

        There was a good article written regarding what the Rangers could do with Richards, and it talks about using the second buyout this year (since they used the first with Redden), so I think it is possible to buy out someone else this summer.

        Really, it makes sense. If not, then they are back in thhe same position with having guys sit out for a full year for fear of getting hurt.

  22. HabFanSince72 says:

    One consistent category mistake people make with respect to an enforcer is encapsulated by the statement: “Having a fighter on your team doesn’t deter cheap shots.” or “The best revenge is two points”.

    It isn’t that these statements are wrong but they are beside the point.

    The reason we want an enforcer against the Bruins is that beating up Bruins is an end in itself, not a means to an end.

  23. HAB - Have A Beer says:

    The Islanders may be in 11 place. They can still beat you. Should be interesting tonight. Think the Habs can pull it off but it won’t be easy. Lot of talent on the Islanders. Hope MT has them ready.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Your right! they are one of the teams that beat us, on Feb. 21st in our own barn!!
      Team that brings their A game will win.

    • habfan53 says:

      We SHOULD beat them but they have to contain Tavares and Moulson after that not much . Montreal has 12 players with more than 10 points while the Islanders only have 6.
      However one thing to watch out for is penalties :
      They have a better Power Play, Better Penalty Kill and take 4 minutes less in penalties

      Like the DODGERS “Wait till next year”

  24. GuyDoon says:

    RE: Lecavalier trade talk.
    Why trade for Vinny? They may buy him out this summer and you can have him for a cool Mil/yr then! :)

    • Loonie says:

      Jeff Vinik is a very wealthy man but I’m not sure that he can afford to buyout that contract.

    • Chuck says:

      I doubt that franchise could financially absorb buying him out.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • Say Ash says:

      Could he wind up part owner like Lemieux did?

    • Habfan17 says:

      Not that I think Bergevin should do it, but the only way I see it happening is that Tampa put him on waivers and the Habs pick him up on waivers at half his salary, and that is if the cap hit would also be only half his salary. Then Tampa would have to agree to take Kaberle for a 2nd round pick to make up for the contract length.

      I agree, the remaining contract seems to large for a buyout.

      Habfan17

    • Whatever says:

      Although it wouldn’t count on the cap if they bought him out, but they would be paying him for 14 years! Ouch.

    • Cal says:

      Why is there never Tavares trade talk? Then, it would be interesting. Wang’s crazy. Let’s bring this trade
      straight to him!
      Weber for Tavares straight up. (we won’t tell him his name isn’t Shea)

  25. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    Haven’t been able to be on here much lately. Any word on Diaz and Bourque?

  26. Rad says:

    I am surprised Caps put Hammer on waivers. They should have been able to get a 4th or 5th Rounder for him.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      He was already at the end of his rope in his last year with us.

      • Loonie says:

        I’ve never seen a defenseman like him who had the ability to score on his own net like he did. It truly was remarkable.

        He had a great career and was good for the Habs trough the majority of his years here but that propensity went from comical to sickening in a hurry.

      • Rad says:

        He was a horse his final year in Montreal. Many nights he was the Habs’ best D-man and led the team in TOI. Jacques Martin just ran him into the ground.

        • 123456 says:

          Yea anyone bashing him did not watch him play or just does not know hockey. He was a good dman pushing into a top pairing role at times and he performed well.

  27. adamkennelly says:

    trade Weber and a 2nd rounder to Avs for O’Byrne and Bordeleau…done.

    • Loonie says:

      That package is barely worth a fifth round pick in my opinion.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Don’t mind getting O’Byrne and Bordeleau but you don’t use a 2nd rounder in a deal to pick up an enforcer and a 6-7 defenceman.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • adamkennelly says:

      perhaps – both would make this team better and it would cost more than you think. What would it cost to get Reaves and Polak from STL?

      • Loonie says:

        O’Byrne’s a rental and Bordleau’s a fighter.

        A 2nd and roster player is completely out of the question in my view. I like what you’re suggesting for players coming back but this team also would have to make room on its roster and not give up much.

        If we’re going to sign a fighter for the sake of fighting there’s no harm in signing Stortini to a new two way NHL contract or Kyle Hagel for that matter.

        I’ve never understood why teams trade for heavyweights. They’re easily attainable.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Maybe Weber and a 5th round

      Habfan17

    • Rad says:

      Those are 2 big boys, and they would look good in a Montreal uniform against physical teams and in the playoffs. But O’Byrne never had the mobility to be a regular here, and I’m not sure that has changed.

  28. Loonie says:

    The guy many said should never have been let go(Hamrlik) is now on waivers.

    Whoops.

  29. AlexTheNextOne says:

    Man, sometimes, I dunno why I even bother skimming through the comments sections on TSN’s site.

    More vitriol than you can shake a stick at (unless it’s Habs fans, who are actually pretty nice in general), and don’t even get me started on the Leafs fan.

    “Oh, did we win last night against a team outside of our division? Let’s **** on Montreal’s players and their fans anyways.”

    • Chuck says:

      Someone should remind Leaf fans that should they make the playoffs, the won’t be facing 2nd-rate backup goalies every other night. Hedberg was beyond awful on those first 2 goals.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

      • RetroMikey says:

        Believe it Chuck, those Maple Laffs will make the playoffs and I’ve said all along that it will be the battle of David vs Goliath if we were to meet them in the playoffs, it will not be easy.
        Yes, we got the win over Boston but we were lucky as well with the breaks we got such as the fluke goal by Pacioretty, luck was on our side that night and I don;t see luck coming back to us again when we face Boston.
        It will be a different Boston team to face us in future games. Claude Julien is not a stupid coach to let Chara perform the foolish acts he did Sunday night which IMO, was the downfall of the Bruins losing that night.
        We need 2 big players still up front and would be nice to get a big blueliner as well.
        I pray we don;t fall into the injury bug and if we do, that tells us we need to get bigger cause the bigger survive in today’s NHL, not the mighty mouses.

        “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

        • Cal says:

          How is it when the Habs win it is luck and any other team it’s skill and being opportunistic?

          • RetroMikey says:

            How is it when you are on this site and we lose you blame the other team’s faults and not ours and see what we need to get better in today’s NHL and not look at the past when we had skill and speed which does not work in todays grinding schedule and players playing now in the NHL.
            You are old skool hour, get with it, big is better in today’s NHL and that will never change.

            “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

      • Cal says:

        Beyond awful = extremely putrid.
        There aren’t enough adjectives for that first one. Beside, WTF? anyway.

  30. Danno says:

    Max would be a good guy to have as a passenger if you ever get stuck in deep snow.

    ________________________________________

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    • Chuck says:

      Max Pacioretty: human tow truck.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

  31. Fansincebirth says:

    So….Farhan Lapdance (TSN) tweets that Julien is right about the Habs

    He also lumped the ‘Nucks in there leaving the TSN Fave Loafs unscathed btw.

  32. HabFanSince72 says:

    Real Madrid at Manchester Utd today. 1-1 on aggregate.

    Almost 10 years ago to the day Real went to Old Trafford in the champions league. A guy called Ronaldo played one of the best games anyone has ever seen. Three thundering goals. He was so good that he got a standing O from Manchester supporters when he was subbed – even though he had eliminated them from the champions league.

    Today Real Madrid’s hopes rest on another Ronaldo.

    My bet is he won’t come through.

    The real Ronaldo, from Brazil, was one of the greatest players of his generation, who usually stepped it up for big games.

    The Portuguese Ronaldo scores most of his goals against weak teams. On the big stage he usually falls short.

  33. Kooch7800 says:

    I wonder why Ottawa doesn’t sign someone like Campoli to a 1 year deal at league minimum

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Loonie says:

      Campoli may not want a deal like that. He’s playing in Europe with a lighter hand dipping into his salary.

      European leagues treat most players very well(excluding the KHL)

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  35. Mattyleg says:

    Oh, and the Pens just signed Tom the Bomb to a $600,000 2-way contract.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  36. Mattyleg says:

    Those who haven’t done so, please read the link that Burly posted below. It’s a great article by a Bruins Blogger. I know, sounds fishy, but it’s well worth the read.

    On a related note, a Bruins fan posted on here yesterday, and was treated to a slew of insults. Not very cool on our part.

    He raised a point that I found contentious: He said that no Hab would cross-check a Bruins player now. Lots of people submit to that kind of thinking and I believe that it’s wrong.

    Emelin didn’t get hurt in the fight, Chara seemed to land most of his punches to his helmet. Even if he had got hurt, it’s not going to stop him or any player from doing things like that. It’s a common misconception that fighting will dissuade players from certain practices during the game. It’s completely untrue.

    When you see players skating away from fights, 9 times out of 10 neither of them have any indications of any kind of injury. How is this a deterrant??

    The only time I have seen a player change his manner of playing is when they are badly injured by a cheap-shot. And it’s usually the skill players it happens to. I’m thinking Zednik et al.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Loonie says:

      The only deterrents with regard to cheap shots or one sided fights are an excellent powerplay and a guy with screws loose(Lapierre) who will target skilled players in response.

      People may disagree with me but Lapierre should never have been traded. He was a deterrent. If I’m a member of the Bruins for example I’m not going to target Plekanec, Price or Galchenyuk with Lapierre on the other side because I know he’ll take a shot at Seguin, Bergeron or Rask.

      I know that’s just me and not every player thinks like this, but most do.

      Prust and Moen don’t deter anything, they hold opposing teams accountable for these kinds of things and that really doesn’t do much good other than to motivate teammates.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I would put money on it that habs still cross check people next game. They wouldn’t cross check Chara but I don’ think him pounding Emelin changes anything

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thanks to 25Insight for finding it, I was just repasting his find.

      As for the treatment of the Bruin fan, while I understand your point, the guy shows up at a Habs website all proud like a caveman that Chara has sent some message to the Habs. Sorry, but while it may not be cool to treat him like a slug, no way he shouldn’t be expecting all the usual web based insults, classy or not.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        just read some comments on Yahoo about the Canadiens response to the Julien Rant and thought they were worth cutting and pasting:

        theageofquarrel – Mar 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM
        Its easy to win multiple cups when you only played 6 teams over and over again

        habsman – Mar 5, 2013 at 10:50 AM
        You realize that the Bruins were one of those teams right?

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • The Jackal says:

      Well, that Bs fan was coming in here trolling and trying to undermine our win, so of course some people will try to run him out of the site. That being said, if someone comes here trying to have a good discussion that is another topic, but the tone of his posts suggested trolling was his purpose.

      But you’re right Matty, we shouldn’t stoop to their level. We are the homo sapiens here.

    • New says:

      I like the Bruins. They are scrappy. If they win they gloat, if they lose they whine. Fans do that a lot so I guess I identify with the Bruins when they do it. Regardless though I think Julien will always measure his team against the Canadiens. If he loses the Canadiens cheated him, if he wins the Canadiens let the best coach go. If the Canadiens and Bruins look like they will both get into the post season look out 27 Mar and 6 Apr. The Bruins will be rolling to cripple, hurt, and intimidate.

      • Cal says:

        “The Bruins will be rolling to cripple, hurt, and intimidate.”
        And that’s hockey, right?
        I hope Chara breaks his bleeping neck trying to get at a Hab.

    • Danno says:

      That Bruins Fan was actually Mike Boone trying to increase HIO’s hit count so he can buy a swimming pool for butlers and maids at his mansion.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      http://dennis-kane.com/

  37. jedimyrmidon says:

    Stephen Weiss out for the year

    Panthers are going in for another Top 3 pick. Looks like Dale Tallon’s going to repeat what he did in Chicago with the Panthers.

  38. Shane1313 says:

    I didn’t think I’d ever say it, but the thing with Lucic is he goes in knocks Miller out like that. It was disgusting that there was virtually no response from his team. What needs to happen is someone needs to go out bring a big fighter in and take Lucic whethere he wants it or not and kick the shit out of him. I know it’s been said, but it really is time for that.

    • lavie says:

      Lucic just hides away from enforcers like Scott or Laraques.

      • D Mex says:

        Absolutely right :
        It is precisely what Lucic did the night Laraque chased him around inviting him to turn and face, but Lucic responded by tucking tail before hopping over the boards and grabbing some pine on the Boston bench.
        The yellow on Boston jerseys is the right choice IMO.

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

        • Shane1313 says:

          I agree guys, but I’m saying a guy who will not wait and just take him and start punching. He’s crossed the line, so he needs a taste of that

  39. WindsorHab-10 says:

    I lost my avatar. What the hell happened?

  40. Bill says:

    A league with referees who can’t figure out how to consistently give penalties to obvious cross-checks, high-sticks, and trips, etc., is never going to figure out a policy for dealing with serious attempts to injure like the Richards hit, or indeed the Brown hit on Gorges.

    And a league with referees who can’t figure out how to deal with serious attempts to injure on the ice is never going to be able to deal with something complex like embellishment.

    Referees kind of act like, “Yeah, people are gonna criticize us no matter what, we’re doing our jobs the right way, if you don’t like it too bad”.

    But you know what? NHL referees are actually just kinda terrible at their jobs. They are not competent. Compared to NFL and even NBA refs, NHL refs are total hacks.

    NHL: have refs actually call the infractions. Every time. The game cleans itself up in two weeks.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Kfourn says:

      I think the problem is that the game is just too fast in comparison to the NBA and NFL. It is easy to miss a few calls, but you’re right in saying that they need to establish consistency on their calls and be held accountable for poor reffing.

      _______________________________________________________
      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

      • Bill says:

        I know the game is fast and I could understand mistakes. I’m talking about the accepted practice of NHL referees deliberately ignoring infractions depending on “the context of the game”. Kerry Fraser talks openly about it in his TSN column. Sometimes it’s a penalty, sometimes you”let the guys play”.

        Why do referees think they are like priests presiding over a ritual? They are supposed to be whistle-monkeys.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Kfourn says:

          Exactly, and this drove me nuts last game. McQuaid took Prust out along the boards in an obvious deliberate interference, right in front of the ref in the zone, however it was the ref behind the play that made the call. It’s as if one of the refs was trying to keep the calls even, but the ref behind the play was too embarrassed by the obvious infraction.

          I would much rather see a team that is the aggressor getting more calls and discouraging that type of play (i.e. finishing your check, cross checks) than trying to even up the calls.

          _______________________________________________________
          Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

          “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The reason the refs are bad (and I agree they are) is that the league is not dedicated to the game, but to selling tickets. Their prime concern is increasing revenue, not for example fair play.

      So refereeing mistakes are of minor concern.

  41. Hobie Hansen says:

    I have a bad image in my head of Jarred Tinordi roughing up some Bruins in front of the net next year and Chara skating into the Canadiens end and doing the same thing he did to Emelin. We were lucky Emelin wasn’t injured there and I’d freak if Chara hurt Tinordi.

    Worried about the kid’s mentality being damaged early on in his career.

    I really hope Bergevin can find a beast who can play to pair up with Tinordi next season to ride shotgun for him.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I just hope that Tinordi gets the same liberal excemption for stick length that goon, I mean Chara gets.

    • Loonie says:

      I hope the Habs recognize that Tinordi isn’t that good of a fighter yet. His role when he comes to the big club should be to keep his game very simple.

      He’s big sure, but he needs to add mass before he can start throwing men around, and that will happen at one point.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Ya I was checking him out on the net and he’s getting there but has a ways to go. 6’6″ 220lbs is what he’s listed at now. I’m guessing he should be 240 or 250 eventually.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        He hasn’t been fighting that much in Hamilton but there have been some. I think the habs do recognize that he isn’t a pugilist.

        He hasn’t been overly physical this season in Hamilton but that will come with more confidence. He hasn’t played bad this year. One more year in the AHL should do him more good.

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Bill says:

      Haha, isn’t Tinordi supposed to be the beast? ;) Who’s gonna protect the 6’7″, 220lb defenceman??

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        He’s pretty thin Bill and a young and impressionable guy, other teams are going to try an intimidate and get an edge on him right away.. He’s not a goon and he’ll immediately be a target because he’ll feel he’ll have to respond to the BS that happens in front of the Montreal net because nobody else is really able to.

        You know the Bruins eyes are going to light up and they’d love to knockout the new big guy on the Canadiens and maintain their superiority. He’ll have Thornton, Lucic and Chara going right after him.

        • Bill says:

          I agree with you actually. Tinordi is no goon, and not even really a fighter. He’s a more physical, more mobile Hal Gill type I’d say. Which sounds good. I sure hope he isn’t expected to be the guy who drops his gloves all the time, because that’s not really his style.

          I think it would be pretty cheap for the Bruins thugs to go after a rookie. Too cheap even for them … er, maybe not I guess.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I don’t think Tinordi has to take on the role of a fighter when he enters the NHL.

      As long as he’s strong enough to push people out of the way and around the crease, that’ll be plenty enough for the Habs.

      And if he becomes a great penalty killer, that’ll be a huge boon as well.

  42. Kfourn says:

    Wait I’m confused, so Rinne let in 5 goals on 13 shots last night, does that mean that he is now only a slighlty above average goalie who will never win anything in the NHL?

    _______________________________________________________
    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • Cal says:

      In a word, yes! ;)

    • Loonie says:

      I posted a stat yesterday that shows Rinne has(now) had 9 games where he’s allowed three or more goals. Lundqvist has six, Jonathan Quick has six and Carey Price has six.

      In addition, Price and Rinne both have eight games this season where they’ve allowed one or no goals, Lundqvist has five such games and Quick has three.

      It seems Price is average in the eyes of people who either dislike him due to his pedigree or because they still pine for Halak.

      Regardless of how you slice it, Price is among the league’s elite.

      • Kfourn says:

        I agree, it’s hard for people to deal with facts though.

        _______________________________________________________
        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • commandant says:

      He’s fine. He didn’t give up 7

      Go Habs Go!
      Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
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    • Bill says:

      Well hey, he never has won a Cup. Which obviously means he never will. You cannot do something unless you have proven you can do it by having done it before. I learned this on HIO.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

    • The Cat says:

      I dont think youre confused, unreasonable might be the word youre looking for, because Rinne has been fairly solid throughout his career. Nobody is saying Price sucks, nobody is saying Price isnt top tier, nobody is saying Price will never win anything. Youre imagining it as soon as someone mildly criticizes an aspect of his game. Does Rinne have aspects of his game that can be criticized, yes. The only goalie that has maybe earned the right to never be criticized is Roy.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Loonie says:

        You took part in a conversation yesterday where there were nearly a half dozen members saying the exact things you’re saying aren’t being said. ;)

        Take a look at Rinne’s numbers at Price’s age, they’re very similar. And then consider for a moment that Rinne had Weber and Suter protecting him while Price has had……….Price has had……..Price has had……..

        I think you get what I’m saying here.

      • Kfourn says:

        Oh, I don’t think anybody here is afraid to criticize Price, he had an off game. But if you go back and re-read the vast majority of those “critical” posts, you’ll see that it was straight up bashing. Price is in the elite, but he’s not above having a stinker every now and then….neither is Rinne….neither was Roy.

        _______________________________________________________
        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  43. commandant says:

    We’re less than one month to the trade deadline. The first in a series of articles previewing the Sellers, and what is for sale in terms of rental UFAs.

    Columbus

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/03/05/one-month-of-shopping-in-columbus-before-the-nhl-trade-deadline/

    Go Habs Go!
    Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Loonie says:

      I’m not sure how much selling Columbus will do because quite frankly they don’t need to sell.

      The tricky thing for them will be that acquiring picks doesn’t necessarily do them much good with the bounty they already have. Prospects will probably be on their radar.

      I think your valuation of Adrian Aucoin is a little low. He’s still very capable defensively albeit slow, has a cannon for a shot still and can toss guys around.

      I think a fourth round pick is the least they’d take for him.

      • commandant says:

        I did say in the article that they would be more interested in prospects than picks.

        I used picks as a valuation, so I can do an apples to apples comparison as we go through more sellers.

        Go Habs Go!
        Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
        http://lastwordonsports.com/

  44. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I too voted no on VC. Past his prime and his contract is prohibitive. Haven’t we seen that before? I hope Ryder starts to look better … or at least like he’s awake out there. Go Habs!

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    So on last nights thread one of our posters here, 25insight found this article from a Bruins website. Appears not all their bloggers/writers are blind to what really happened in the Boston game.

    http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2013/3/4/4063136/in-praise-of-alexei-emelin-difference-maker

    Worth clicking on, IMO.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Thanks Burly. The hockey sense of many Bruin fans is challenged to say the least. How anyone could sing the praises of Chara simply either doesn’t understand the fame or doesn’t care. At least this guy gets it.

    • bwoar says:

      Thanks. Saw this last night and was going to repost if 25insight didn’t. Very good reading when it comes to who should, and when, to celebrate “standing up for a teammate”.

      Also I think Emelin has been terrific since Diaz has been out of the lineup and we’re starting to see his real game.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Wintercount says:

      did click and thanks inburl and insight.

  46. Peter Young says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/embellishment-city-boston-bruins-hypocrisy-diving-goes-viral-144026712–nhl.html#more-52047

    In case you haven’t seen this, a story containing devastating video attacks on the Boston Bruins from The Daily Show and the Colbert Report and others, exposing the Bruins as filthy players, hypocrites and liars. Marchand is singled out for special attention, but others are not spared. Enjoy!

  47. ed says:

    embellishing? seriously? that’s Julien’s complaint after we beat his team in his own barn, with our back up goalie??

    and what are the goons talking about in the Bruins’ dressing room?

    “ya, Coach really gave it to those bums! Did you hear him today? He called out those cowards for faking those calls and those injuries! Man, our Coach is the BESTEST coach ever!!”

  48. lavie says:

    How is it going with Yanick Weber? A full-time healthy scratch?

  49. WindsorHab-10 says:

    You’ve got to love the professionalism of our head coach & players responding to Julien’s comments. Cool, calm, collected & respectful. I’m a firm believer in “what goes around comes around” and can’t wait for those losers from Beantown to get their just dues.

  50. NL Hab says:

    I see on Craig Button’s draft list that he has Jordan Subban ranked 36th overall. We have 3 picks in the 2nd round and the way Nashville and Calgary have been playing lately, it could be 2 early 2nd round picks. I think that would be pretty cool to have him in the organization. Maybe try and pull off a 3 team trade and then get Malcolm as well. lol

    Et Le But

  51. The Dude says:

    So the $6.5 million per year Goalie plays the easy teams and the $ million per year Goalie plays teams like the Bruins :???:

  52. John Q Public says:

    Let it roll baby roll.
    Let it roll baby roll.
    Let it roll all night Longggggggg !

  53. Kooch7800 says:

    Who are the 900 people who think Vinny would be good on this team?

    With his salary cap that would destroy the habs

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  54. HabFanSince72 says:

    Claude Julien should tone down the hate.

    Especially towards PK, but generally.

  55. Loonie says:

    Funniest thing about embellishment is that the conversation rarely includes the most common occurrence.

    ONE HANDED TRIPS.

    I see calls every night go against players who’ve gone for the puck with one hand on their stick and the puck carrier falls to the ice. Anyone who’s competent on their skates knows that the only two ways that a one handed trip actually gets a guy to the ice is with a can-opener or with the blade of the stick getting caught in the skate itself.

    And yet every night there are one handed trips being called. The officials on the ice are supposed to be at the peak of their profession and something this simple is overlooked all for the sake of generating more scoring. But smashing a guy’s head into the boards is a hockey play and doesn’t warrant a penalty in most cases.

  56. Propwash says:

    MaxPac, bang for the buck right there.

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  57. Old Bald Bird says:

    Really. How hard would it me for the HIO staff to let us know when they start a new thread?

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    I am so relieved that people here can’t hear how I pronounce names on a keyboard, heck I don’t even think I know how to say Matty properly! :)

    Matt – Eh ?

  59. Habsrule1 says:

    Has anyone else thought about the repercussions of Julien’s comments?
    Does he not know that he may have just burned some bridges? Memories can be long and when a coach insults an organization like the Canadiens in that way, it will not be forgotten soon.
    Therrien has proven that the Habs often look to recycled Francophone coaches at times and I think he just hurt any chances he may have had to return to Montreal, at least in the next few years (not that Therrien is going anywhere right now, but such is the life of a coach).

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Danno says:

      If I was an NHL ref I would be offended by his comments and might be tempted to keep an eye out for Bruins embellishments to send a message back to Jabba Julien.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      http://dennis-kane.com/

    • Loonie says:

      Right or wrong I’m not sure that Julien was speaking from an emotional place. I think he was merely trying to gain favour with officials. It’s worked for him before and it will probably work again.

      As for burning bridges. He’s a Cup winning coach, he won’t have much trouble finding work if the Bruins let him go.

      • The Cat says:

        It was too over the top, it might backfire.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Oh i agree Julien would find work, but can you see him as the Habs coach if Therrien were to be fired in the next few years?

        I sure as hell hope not. I hate how he blames everyone but his team and can’t seem to just say the other team was better tonight. I’ve heard Therrien say as much.

        If he had just been emotional and took a quick jab at the Habs, it would not be so bad, but he blatantly insulted the organization.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Loonie says:

          In most cases he’s very good at taking the focus off of how his team plays and off them as individuals as well. As Cat pointed he may have taken it too far this time because there seems to be a lot of focus on them today.

          As for the Habs re-hiring Claude Julien. They re-hired Michel Therrien.

          I don’t think they’d ignore possibilities but I wouldn’t consider him a front runner.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I get the feeling that it’s one of those things that becomes true because people are talking about it.

        Sounds like everyone in the Boston dressing room is saying it, so the coach hears it, and says it, and whether it’s true or not is no longer an issue.

        It’s kind of how racism works. Enough people saying the same thing -regardless of its basis in truth- makes others believe it’s true too, without asking themselves any questions.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • The Cat says:

      I dont think Julien will be considered in the future. Jullien is only playing to the mentality of Boston fans. Just like here they play to the mentality of quebecois fans i.e. what is important to them…’Merci beaucoup’.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  60. Sportfan says:

    Since TSN is over hyping the trade center today I want to ask you will the Habs make any move at the trade deadline or are we already done with trades? Or who would you want the Habs to add

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  61. TheLogician says:

    talk about a backfire. Julien’s cry has exposed the sad truths of his “noble warriors”. going viral, as it should.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/embellishment-city-boston-bruins-hypocrisy-diving-goes-viral-144026712–nhl.html

  62. j2w4habs25 says:

    Carey Price in net tonight – heres his chance to bounce back after allowing 6 goals Saturday night.

    Carey Price #31

  63. j2w4habs25 says:

    Who do you think will get that 20,000 goal. 3 goals away from history in the making.

    Carey Price #31

  64. HabsFan1111 says:

    While Julien’s comments are pathetic, it remains a problem in the game. Fines and/or suspensions for divers would eliminate it pretty quickly. Hard to enforce (would take a lot of video review hours after the fact), but would make the Lapierre’s, etc. think twice at least. Also, when they actually do catch someone, they still penalize the person who committed to ‘penalty’, I’ve never understood that….

    • Loonie says:

      Not that I disagree. But I’m thinking more in terms of baby steps. What I mean by that is the league should probably focus on putting somebody in place to judge the numerous infractions that warrant supplemental discipline who doesn’t have rampant conflicts of interests throughout the league.

      It should focus on getting back to grassroots on certain pieces of equipment, eliminating dangerous and malicious infractions with lengthier suspensions and it should start holding its on ice officials to a higher standard before looking at who is or isn’t diving or embellishing.

      • HabsFan1111 says:

        I acknowledge it will likely never happen, but baby steps would be a great start. Other than putting more refs and/or linesmen on the ice, what would you suggest? Reffing is one of the more thankless jobs on the planet, going completely unnoticed is reffing the perfect game and it does not happen often.

        • Loonie says:

          Step one would be hiring a former official to handle the supplementary discipline. I’m sure it wouldn’t be too hard to come up with names and Kerry Fraser is probably near the top of most lists.

          The lack of accountability for officials in hockey is maddening. Take football for example. The most popular sport in North America at two levels. Each week the league publicly acknowledges what was and wasn’t done correctly where there’s controversy. The difference is that the NFL is a brand that understands accountability and honesty will win you favour with your fans and the NHL’s regime is of the cloak and dagger variety. They haven’t cared about their fans at any point and they won’t start anytime soon.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Do you remember which Hab it was that fell to the ice as if he was chopped with an axe and the coach just left him there and ignored him? It was years past and I can’t recall. It was embarrassing and the coach wanted him to know it!

      Habfan17

    • The Cat says:

      I say let it go, and let the players work that out themselves. The last thing this game needs is more stupid penalties.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  65. Loonie says:

    My apologies if this has already been posted but the video is definitely worth a look or two.

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/05/lucic-takes-another-shot-at-embellishment/

    • Mustang says:

      As it has already been said, probably every team is guilty of embellishment at some time or another. What the Julien seems to forget is that “People who live in glass houses………………..you fill in the blanks”. Julien should never have brought up this subject since the Brooins are as guilty as anyone. He tries to point his finger at Montreal after a loss and now many people are pointing at Boston.

  66. Ian Cobb says:

    Sorry! I can’t get this link to light up.??

    Milbury standing up for Montreal?? Makes me a little nervous!!
    Boston crying in their beer.

    I thought you’d like this:
    CSN Washington CSN Washington

    Milbury, Felger debate if Canadiens were embellishing!

  67. 24 Cups says:

    I had the ‘experience’ of seeing Jimi Hendrix live at the Cow Palace down at the old CNE.

    http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2013/03/04/jimi_hendrix_rocks_on_40_years_after_his_death.html

    • The Cat says:

      Lucky you. I turned down an invite from a hippy in a gown in LA to go see the Grateful Dead in New Mexico. Soon after Jerry Garcia died.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Rugger says:

        Listening to GD now (Fillmore East ’71 with Duane Allman sitting in). Last time I saw them was the opening show of the ’87 Dyan & Dead tour at Foxboro. Jerry played Pedal Steel during Dylan’s set.

    • Strummer says:

      I remember that show as I was a fan but being only 13 not able to attend.

      The cow palace you refer to was the CNE Coliseum where the Marlies now play.

      I remember around the same time that my friends saw the Doors there and I believe Cream played there as well.

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  68. Mattyleg says:

    I am a pedant.
    It is my lot in life, and I embrace it wholeheartedly.
    I tone it down as much as I can, but every now and then I need to hit the ‘release’ button and vent some pent-up irritation.

    It’s something I’ve gone on about before.

    Pronouncing people’s names.

    The most recent victim of this trend of American mispronunciation that is creeping into Canada is Nazem Kadri.

    His name is Nazem. It rhymees with “Razz ‘em”. It’s not “nozzle’s” first cousin, “Nozz ‘em”. And his last name is Kadri. Like ‘Cad-ree’. Not ‘Cod-ree’. If it was meant to be like that, it’d be spelt with an ‘o’. Nazem Kadri. Not Nozzem Codree.

    Halak. Like ‘hat-lack’ without the ‘t’. Not Hollock, or, worse, H’lock.

    Kaberle. Like ‘Cat-bur-lay’ without the ‘t’. Not Cobber-lay.

    There are people who claim that Kabby likes his last name prounounced in the latter manner. Those people clearly have trouble distinguishing sounds. It’s not a criticism, it’s a thing. Some people have difficulty telling the difference between sounds, like a kind of ‘accent tone-deafness’.

    To those people, I would suggest prounouncing eastern-European names (especially, but many, many other nationalities apply here) with the flat ‘a’ as in ‘hat’, and not the long ‘a’ as in ‘hall’. That latter letter doesn’t exist over there – if it’s meant to sound like that, they use an ‘o’. It’s why Eastern European words are so easy to write: they’re completely phonetic. None of our diphthongs or triphthongs over there.

    It’s pasta. Not pawsta.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habsfan0 says:

      I wonder how Foster Hewitt would pronounce those names?

      • Habfan17 says:

        I miss Danny Gallivan and Claude Mouton, I hope I spelled that right. Mr. Mouton always seemed to pronounce all names correctly, even when the Russians played.

        Roger Doucet too!! No one sings or sang the anthem as he could

        Habfan17

        • Ian Cobb says:

          Every time I see his name or hear his voice, I remember who saved my life as a 14 year old street kid.! Danny Gallivan!! I love the man with all my heart.!

        • habsfan0 says:

          Gallivan & Doucet were the best at what they did!

          Gallivan was an extremely articulate,no nonsense type of play-by-play man who coined some memorable phrases: Savardian Spinerama,scintillating save,cannonading drive, among others.

          Doucet was a master. He took the time to learn the words to the Russian national anthem when he sung it at the Forum,no small feat. I also enjoyed and preferred his version of the Canadian national anthem:”We stand on guard for rights and liberty!”

          I also got a big kick listening to Bill Hewitt calling Habs Leafs games out of Toronto. He was more a “blue collar,working man” type of play-by-play guy.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Great memories from all of them. Now we get stuck with Bob Cole, who doesn’t seem to need to know players’ names since he rarley calls the play by play. He is too busy telling stories. CBC needs to retool the production. Bring in new talent, get play by play guys from each city that can call the play by play, not tell stories, or like Cole, when he does try to call the play and gets the names all mixed up.

            Habfan17

          • JF says:

            One of my favourite Gallivan phrases was “the sartorial magnificence of
            Don Cherry.”

    • The Cat says:

      Good interesting post. As someone who is used to having his last name butchered, I used to not understand how people just cant take the 3 seconds to make sure they get it right. Then I realized that Im surrounded by idiots. All kidding aside, some people have such a shyness of potentially screwing it up that they seemingly screw it up on purpose with a lack of effort and thus alleviate their own little tension of looking genuinely stupid.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Heh heh.
        Fair enough!

        But for announcers and people in the media, you’d think they’d figure it out.
        It’s become the norm in the US to pronounce any foreign ‘a’ as a long ‘a’ (as in ‘hall’). I don’t know why that is. Why is a little-used usage of that letter (only done when followed by two ‘L’s or a ‘w’) the default??

        BTW, I feel your pain. I lived in Ireland and England and Poland and Portugal. I never knew how they were going to tackle my last name. It was pretty fun to hear them try though!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I have always had a tough time pronouncing Cat! my friend!

    • Habshire says:

      Not to be a stick in the mud but I don’t think we pronounce Kaberle right either….

      http://www.forvo.com/word/tom%C3%A1%C5%A1_kaberle/

      • Mattyleg says:

        With the flat ‘a’, it’s as close as English-speakers are going to get with the sounds we have.

        We don’t roll the ‘r’ (that’s not a sound we use in English) and the ‘e’ at the end is much flatter, like the ‘e’ in ‘end’ rather than the ‘é’ that is commonly used, like in ‘blasé’.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Strummer says:

          I’ve heard Kaberle pronounce his name on a tape of his voice mail and it’s “Ka- BEAR-la – accent on the middle syllable.

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          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yeah, there’s that too.
            All Polish, and I believe Czech, words have the accent on the second syllable.
            We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
            Let’s just get the ‘a’ right first!

            But good catch!!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Strummer says:

            Matty- have you heard the ” Byfuglien becomes Bufflin” story?

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            “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • Mattyleg says:

            No!
            I always call him ‘By-fug-lee-en’.
            What’s the skinny?

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Strummer says:

            As you may know his mom is Norwegian and the proper pronunciation is Bee-FOO-glee-an

            It seems his non-Norwegian side of the family just started pronouncing it their way out of convenience

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            “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

          • Mattyleg says:

            Oh God, what a cop-out!!!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Allow me to chime in Matty. Many Americans phonically prefer the vowel “i” to the other vowels and there are mini examples of this if you listen to Nancy Grace, Michael Jackson and others. So the corruption of pronunciation is rampant and a dialect issue. As the great Jimmy Carr stated at the “Just for Laughs” festival, “….if my accent sounds strange to you, this is how English is supposed to be spoken.”

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Mustang says:

      Matty, not a hockey player but the one that gets me is the pronouncation of Celine Dion’s name. It is “cell’ “in” not “Cell” “ene”. I just don’t know where this eene comes from.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Annoying.
        But it probably comes from the French pronunciation, which is much closer to the ‘eene’ sound. Quebecois French cuts off the ‘ee’ to a short ‘i’. Like ‘câline’ in Quebec rhymes with ‘call in’, while in France it’s ‘ka leen’.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • mdp2011 says:

      I agree completley, excellent post. Same with anglo Canadians who can’t pronounce francophone names, or francophones who can’t pronounce english names. we’re in Canada for petes sakes, we’re supposed to be a bilingual country.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Totally.
        I cringe every time I watch anything but RDS.
        Pierre Houde is really great with names, but there’s ONE thing that he does that bugs me; he says “Brendan” Prust, rather than Brandon. It’s his only flub-up, and I can’t figure out why he does it!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • JF says:

          RDS is usually pretty good with names. Pierre Houde said that when Plekanec first came up to the Habs, he went to him and asked him how his name was pronounced. The RDS guys make it a rule to do this, but there are some names they still get wrong. Remember Niittymaki? He was always Niittomaki. There are a couple of others, but I can’t think of them right now.

          What bugs me the most is the CBC and TSN announcers who make absolutely no effort to get the francophone names sounding even remotely like francophone names. It’s not so difficult to stress the right syllable. But Lecavalier is always Le-ca-va-lier with equal stress on all syllables, for example. You would think they could get it approximately right.

    • myron.selby says:

      I hate to interrupt a pedant in mid-rant, but actually your pronunciation of Kadri’s name is wrong- it’s not Cadree. He’s of Lebanese descent, the usual spelling for his last name would be Khadri and it’s a soft Kh where the tongue doesn’t make contact with the roof of the mouth. It’s not a sound we have in the English language so most people aren’t comfortable with it.

      How do I know? I was married to a Lebanese woman for 24 years.

      Anyway, sorry to intrude – carry on. I actually agree with everything you’re saying, just thought I’d take the chance to add a little meaningless trivia to the conversation.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Ha!
        Nice one.
        You’re right on the money there; that’s a common Arabic pronunciation.

        I originally spelt it ‘Kh’, but then had to go and check the spelling and change it!
        The family obviously changed it to make English pronunciation easier.
        Good point-out!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • myron.selby says:

          Thanks. It took me a long time to get some of the sounds in Arabic. Even after 29 years (24 married, 5 before that) I never learned to speak it, but I could usually understand the general gist of a conversation.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Now if you would only use capitals to tell us which syllable to stress.

  69. habsfan0 says:

    I look for Carey Price to have a bounce back game tonight.
    Budaj will be watching.

  70. 24 Cups says:

    I can’t say that I’m very impressed with MaxPac’s 57″ box jump. I saw Mike Boone do the same thing at Hurley’s when he jumped up on the bar to get a free beer.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I’d like to see Pax try to vault a metro turnstile at speed while carrying a shiny red gift-box and a half-dozen Bell Centre beers in his gut.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  71. habsfan0 says:

    hey now!


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