And it was worth waiting for.
The Canadiens are in Boston for a genuine four-ponter.
• P.K. credits Hal Gill for mentoring
• Bruins beef up with Jordan Caron
• Gill gives P.K. the gears and scab Journal writer takes it seriously. Arpon Basu explains what went down
• Gaston Therrien wants more consistency from Benoit Pouliot
• Marc Antoine Godin’s assessment of Pierre Gauthier’s first year
• Stu Hackel on the players and head shots
• TSN has trade deadline playbooks for the East and the West
• Jaro stops 30 of 31 and Matt D’Agostini scores the winner
• Carolina loses but gets a point
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Benny’s an enigma to me. He’s a traditional N/S player, but he really has no lateral movement to speak of; he can lay out a player, but he doesn’t grind in the corners; he’s got a great shot, but he needs time to wind it up; great speed, no hussle…
He’s just not creative enough to work ont he PP without being a liability. He’s not sound with the puck, and doesn’t respond to pressure well. He needs a setup man with speed so that Benny can get the space to unload his shot. Just not something that happens on the PP on a regular basis.
Pacioretty is everything Benny should have been.
Caron – Thornton – Campbell….what are the Booins up to tonight?
You had me until “Eller doesn’t turn the puck over at the offensive zone blue line” which he does. All. The. Time.
I’m out, Tommy.
Sorry.
They need a big power forward who can score……Or a Top sniper with size up front ……they need help on D as well.Bieksa type…maybe Phillips…maybe a guy like that.Heck Kaberle would look alright in a hab uni.Great passer …good vision…bad defensively but JM can work with him on that aspect.I dunno….thats just my two cents.
who cares cuz they all suck and we’re gonna beat the snot outta them and come out with the win.Bruins dont scare me nor the habs….We dont back down from no body.
Hey kitty lay off the catnip..You say Pronger the best player in the NHL?PLeeease….he’s good…but he aint the best….He’s maybe top 10….MAYBE…but hes a dooshbag anyways and he’ll retire soon anyways cuz hes old.
Win 12 playoff games??
Seriously, trades made at the dealine rarely vault you team from a pretender to a contender. The sellers are usually the winners in shedding players that no longer fit into their long range plans.
I think we all know what the Habs need to do to win 12 playoff games and some of that includes some luck. Play a tight defensive game, don’t turn the puck over in the neutral zone, get someone to the net, and the Specialty Teams need to out perform others.
Anyone who expects a major change or anything different is dilusional
i wish i could “like” your i wish i could “like” your comment comment
Come on, give the guy his due, he plays half the 60 minute game in the playoffs. Hes the biggest difference maker there is, most teams become a serious threat for the cup because of him.
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Agreed Carkner is 1 mean tough dude…he fought boogard and pretty won the fight…the dude’s got balls!
Tom gets it. Some of us are worrying way too much about external solutions to Montreal’s weakness; however it’s really about maximizing the team’s internal options. I fail to see many trade options that would do anything but marginally improve Montreal’s chances, both short and long term, and all will cost resources that would be better saved for a later date.
This team is good enough to make a run, the length of that run depends on how well 19 players play and luck. Adding players like Dustin Penner and/or Chris Phillis would help, but even both of them wouldn’t push Montreal over the top. And the cost of acquiring them would hurt Montreal too much in the future. I hope Montreal stays away from rentals unless it’s a minor move, and only makes trades that have long or middle term impact at the deadline.
I was lucky enough to go to the Allstar game 2 weeks ago and i got some awesome pictures. The best one of all was right after i picked up my luggage in Raleigh i turn around and who is standing there? Carey, Tim Thomas and Patrick Sharp. You can probably guess by my avatar who i took my pic with.
Rivalry? does nesn know what that means? come on now we own the Bruins we always had. The only time they beat us is when we’re tired out, or hungover!!! its NO rivalry when one team seems to own the other every time they play eachother – unless because they knocked us out in four straight two playoffs ago, they think they got a new chapter against us but I highly doubt it. GO HABS GO!
Carey Price #31
Bugs: Pouliot doesn’t play top 6 minutes for one simple reason, to spread out the scoring depth. From his play this year I think it’s obvious that Pouliot is more deserving of a scoring role than Eller, but at this point Eller can not be the go-to guy on a line for scoring, he hasn’t hit his NHL scoring stride yet, so Pouliot gets that job. It’s unfortunate that Benoit doesn’t get much PP time, but neither does Eller. As it stands right now, it’s a testament to Benny’s character that he never complains and always takes whatever role he gets. Someone posted on here yesterday I believe that Pouliot is 1st in the entire league in points for players averaging under 13 minutes a game or something, so that’s huge.
Agree that Benny could do a better job of grinding on the boards. But can’t agree that “He’s just not creative enough to work ont he PP without being a liability.” From what I see, he has better vision and niftier passing than most,if not all, of his colleagues, with the exception of Pleks.
Ha Ha!!! Thanks for the correction
The Flyers were missing Pronger for six weeks and kept humming along at about the same rate. They’re are so deep and so well-balanced that taking any one player out of their lineup won’t significantly affect the outcome. If their goaltenders can handle the playoff pressure (which is by no means proven), I don’t think there’s a team in the East that can beat them in a 7-game series.
One of a possible few blogs to be active on NESN. Enjoy!
http://www.nesn.com/2011/02/bruins-live-blog-bs-looking-to-turn-tables-on-habs-in-key-northeast-division-clash.html#comment-6a0115709f071f970b0148c87c684b970c
The Habs need to win 16 playoff games, not 12.
The biggest thing the Canadiens need is for certain players to step up: Gomez, Kostitsyn, Pouliot. Along with that, the Habs need the players that are playing well now to continue to play well. This team is capable of scoring goals if things happen to click on any given night, they just have to consistently tap into that. The goaltending is solid and the team defence is pretty good. I just don’t think that there are gonna be any deals that could be made that give the team some huge boost. It’s more important to get the best out of what you’ve got, and then decide what needs to change. I don’t think we’ve seen the best this team can offer offensively yet. That being said, it will take a lot of luck and determination for this particular group of players to make it to the Cup finals. But isn’t that always the case, anyways?
Usually when Pouliot carries the puck into the offensive zone, if a defender comes toward him he stops and turns around and backhands the puck, usually to no one.
That’s awesome! He’s seemed like a real nice, down to earth guy from what I’ve seen of him, is this accurate?
Edit: Also, what was your favourite part of All Star weekend?
P.K.’s family dinner: Defenceman P.K. Subban said he went out to dinner recently with defence partner Hal Gill and Gill’s two daughters.
“It wasn’t planned,” Subban said. “I happened to show up at the same restaurant and he said: ‘Come on and eat with us.’ I got to play with his two daughters. It felt weird. I’m sure he felt like he was babysitting for all three of us.
lolll – I’ve seen Gill around with his two daughters. He looks like your typical 30-something dad, you’d never guess he’s a pro athlete. Although he’s tall, he’s very calm and moves slowly.
Sorry, but I think the Bruins resurgence started when we spammed NESN. I remember the game very well. they were down by two goals to the Pens, looking hopeless, and we were all laughing at them.
No one’s laughing anymore.
Awesome article by Basu on the Gill-PK exchange. PK is very promising, but has a lot of learning to do.
It has more to do with QMI trying to make a story out of nothing, and then translating the French article to English, which was already translated to French from the quotes… Jumbles everything.
Givaway
Bpooh: 11
Eller : 15.
Eller is NOT better defensively.
I kind of hope Gill stays for 2012, he’s amazing for PK
That’s what I’m saying. It hurts me to say it, but that’s what I’m saying.
French media ain’t “stirrin up sh*te”; the French media is just prone to misunderstanding the finer nuances of the English language and how the many intricate forms of its irony are used.
Same way Engish media is prone to misunderstanding some nuances of French, mind.
That being said, in THIS particular case, I have been convinced that a Swahilian child of FOUR never heard a word of English in his or her LIFE could’ve discerned the playfulness of the Soobie-Gill situation so that the writer of the offending article WAS in fact “stirrin up sh*te”.
Leading me to point 2: one SCAB does not the overall ”French media” make.
Boston are 6-1 with 3 or more days off, Montreal are 8-5 with 2 days off. Boston are also 6-1 on Wednesdays, MTL are 3-4…But the real question is -has Ference hurt the vibe in Boston?
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LMAO
I am? Please explain.
Hey guys off topic but:
I’m starting up a blog focusing on a gay man’s perspective on the Habs. Not that the content would necessarily be focused on the liaison of the two, but, I feel like it’s an oppertunity to stand out a bit in the dime-a-dozen world of Habs blogs.
Do you guys think there is a “market” for this?
So far the best name I can come up with is “Stay out of the Box”. The intent is to write a blog focused on hockey/Les Canadiens de Montreal, but would also include off topic commentary to gather hits from my non-sports affiliated brethren.
Any opinions, suggestions, or feedback in general would be much appreciated!
(Edit: No paragraph breaks?!? Way to sell it…)
Thanks, i am 5’8″, but Carey is like 6’3″. I have another pic from 1988 with me and The Rocket when he came up to referee an Oldtimers game.
Also, Tim Thomas is really good in games not involving us.
He was real friendly when i talked to him. My whole weekend was awesome. One of my best friends was one of the linesmen for the game so we had unlimited access. I got pics with 13 current players, 8 ex players and Ron Maclean. On my trip back i sat next to Brendan Shanahan and across the aisle from Brian Engblom.
The talk that Ferrence put the room off is a stupid idea. I find the best rule to follow is that if Don Cherry thinks something is right, it’s wrong.
Complete agreement, probably for the first time ever. I like Brewer a lot, he’s been underrated on pretty much every club he’s played for.
He’s good for PK and for the PK.
I’d say that you’re probably better off focusing on one thing, and doing it really well. Putting a lot of “off-topic” commentary into the blog will only clutter it for the folks that will be reading the blog for the Habs-related stuff, and likewise the folks that will be looking for the gay perspective will have to wade through all of the hockey stuff to find what they want to read.
If you can find a way to seamlessly integrate the two subjects, though, I’d say go for it.
Nevermind that Benoit Pouliot has played only one shift on the penalty kill all season long or that Pouliot has a better road plus/minus statistic than home plus/minus(where he gets the favourable matchup). Giving the puck away is not a defensive statistic for a forward, it is an offensive statistic. Takeaways are much more telling(Pouliot has more takeaways by the way). But with all of that said. Pouliot still picks up the wrong man on the backcheck which is a novice mistake, he often gets caught too deep in the offensive zone when he’s supposed to be the high man and Eller is almost never guilty of those things.
Oh, and Pouliot has been with Halpern and Darche for the majority of the season. Two players who are highly likely to inflate somebody’s plus/minus numbers due to their abilities defensively and also due to Halpern’s faceoff accumen. Eller has been shuffled throughout the lineup the entire season and has had a new set of linemates on an almost nightly basis.
Eller’s inclusion in the top 6 forwards is a testament to his defensive ability which is exactly why Martin brought him into that group instead of Desharnais or Pouliot.
I agree in a sense, because, not to play into stereotyping, but the two focuses are often mutually exclusive. Would be more of a “sub section” to stay true to the initial idea…
Slightly dubious reasoning but the exclamation points sold it.
I’m with you, buddy!
How much cap money comes in with Penner AND Phillips?
How much would we have to unload? And what contracts on this club would we have to combine to reach that amount?
Yeah, but we went back when the reverse happened and that worked out great. No? And that game you mention, we won, sooo…quit your lily-livered bellyaching, lower the helmet, ready your lance, and to the fray with you, man!
Maybe the problem with the media isn’t that our captains can’t always speak french, but that the “reporters” can’t understand english.
Are you gay or just using the gimmick? Not that theres anything wrong with being gay but if you dont write from the heart, it aint likely to work out.
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Realistically we’re looking at one of the players listed, and most of them are UFAs, and therefore won’t cost more than we gave up for Wisniewski.
Tim Thomas against the rest of the NHL: 25-5-5.
Tim Thomas against the Habs: 0-1-1
Haha, no, not just a gimmick.
Well, in essence, it IS a gimmick, but one that would also be from the heart…
Three cheers for HTML codes!
Well itd be a way to break from the fray, how many here dont have a habs blog???
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Had a brief exchange with Bill yesterday regarding Pouliot and AK. Bottom line was we agreed that the Habs already have the couple of top 6 forwards they require in these two guys, they just need to work themselves into consistent top 6 form. As for Eller he’s getting valuable ice time and exposure that will serve him well over the next couple of seasons. I sincerely doubt JM will play him much in the playoffs but until then he gets his shot. I would expect to see Pouliot (and AK) regularly on the first two lines come April/May, wouldn’t you?
***Subbang!!!***
Well dont do it, what if you get invited on tv shows or interviewed in a gay magazine, youll be forced to admit youre gay or else youll look phony…Think of the consequences man lol
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LMAO. Man, I love that title. Very funny.
I’m wondering how your perspective would be different. What kind of content would you create that might not for example end up on one of the other blogs?
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“It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS
Penner woudl be more with another year on his contract, but I think the rumour for him is being overblown as is, so I wouldn’t worry about giving much up for him.
a 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd rounder?
Seems only fair…
Wow, that’s amazing! You are one lucky guy, Jimmy. Did you happen to talk to Shanahan much? I’ve always liked that guy.
For Penner???
I dunno…
Think it’s gonna cost more’n that.
If they dont understand a little english then they should hire someone that does.
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Don’t tell me; tell them!
You’re preachin to the choir, bub. No login required. So on with it.
Timmy Thomas in the nets tonight and Seguin is a healthy scratch! Another sad case of a young player being ruined by his coach. Forget head shots, when will the league step in and protect these young players from the criminal actions of their head coach’s?
Well there’s the rub, right?
That is exactly what I am trying to figure out, because deep down, I’m a Habs fan with opinions just like everyone else. The one true crossover idea I have would be a tongue-in-cheek (a la Down Goes Brown) gay guide to hockey, but otherwise it’s sort of hard to reconcile those two topics together… without losing people who who read it for “genuine hockey content”!
As you can see this isn’t a fully fleshed out idea, but I’m a former Journalism grad that has done little-to-no post-degree writing so I’m using this as an excuse to get back into the swing of things…
So far the best name I can come up with is “Stay out of the Box”.
I don’t know how much of a market there would be, seems maybe a bit narrow, but this made me LOL. Good luck.
(gulp) Okaaay…I’m in then. And I want you in at those conference calls, Deary, aw’ight? In fact, you better tell Pierre to let you do the talkin.
And if, by the grace’o'Gad, if ever I become the proud owner of a club, I’m hiring you as my gm and that’s all there is to it.
I swear this by the angels before the altar of the Almighty, on my word, or on pain of Hell.
teehee and all that
habs and leafs taking trade with Beauchmin coming our way.if you want to believe the idiot eklund.
rest assured if PG makes a trade its going to cost pics or some young up and comer …not a big fan of that as it hardly ever works for the buyer..
So the Bs are starting Timmy T? Bhahahahahahahahaha. Did they not watch the last 20 games he has played against Montreal?
I would rather Benny than DD on the second PP wave . I just think he’s a little stonger fighting for the puck along the boards and has a quicker wrister ..
Pouliot less so since Cammalleri is coming back. However what I’d like to see is Pouliot firing bombs from the point on the 2nd wave PP. Or put him in Kovalev’s old position on the half wall. The kid can snipe, he has the best slapper on the team and his wrister in nearly as good.
Either way, with Pouliot getting better all season, it seems to me that we have 7 top 6 forwards since Pacioretty was called up. If Eller gets up to speed by the end of the year or next year, we’ll have 8.
MAB is too busy taking 10 years off Boucher’s life
You have me all wrong Cat!
The fact that I am (truly) gay still IS a gimmick… As far as a hockey blog is concerned.
But kudos for the implication that this could lead me to be on TV!
It bugs me that you say that, but if Seguin was regularly logging the most minutes on the team, then I take it back.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
maxwell for penner, regher and philips
done deal
he will play a 3rd of a season for each team
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GWG = game winning gionta!
Ha! Nice.
You got me there, Gormie.
JM will go with 6 forwards and 4 defensemen in the playoffs. And one goalie.
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2011/1/31/1966195/wheres-the-offense
My biorhythms must be in sync. Two out of three replies below are intelligent and worth reading. Thanks guys. You know who you are.
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“It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS
We I think Gionta, Pleck, and A.Kost all give you their money’s worth. Gionta is going to get you about 30 goals (other players being paid around 5M, Brian Rolston, Jason Blake, Jason Pominville), Pleck at 5 (Bergeron,Tim Connolly,David Legwand), and as for Kost (Colby Armstrong makes 3M…..). If you looking around the league the only overpaid guys on your team would be Gomez, and some what Cammalleri, Spacek.
When a Defensive minded team allows more goals than they score, they probably did not play well enough defensively to win. Same logic goes to the Offensive minded team when they don’t score more then they allow…..didn’t play well enough offensively.
Do you really want our Defensive minded team to open their game to score more often so we can win games by more than 1 goal?? Or do you just want a team that isn’t Defensive minded, because you sure b*tch and complain enough about a pretty good dam team that has learned a playoff winning style of hockey.
Maybe it’s time you look for another bone to chew
When a Defensive minded team allows more goals than they score, they probably did not play well enough defensively to win. Same logic goes to the Offensive minded team when they don’t score more then they allow…..didn’t play well enough offensively.
Do you really want our Defensive minded team to open their game to score more often so we can win games by more than 1 goal?? Or do you just want a team that isn’t Defensive minded, because you sure b*tch and complain enough about a pretty good dam team that has learned a playoff winning style of hockey.
Maybe it’s time you look for another bone to chew
Your last sentence is shared by a narrow minded and knowledge starved portion of the fan base who are prone to knee jerk reactions and have sore backs from jumping on and off the bandwagon with each game.
The team’s success isn’t on Price’s shoulders alone. Team defense, a reliable group of two way forwards and special teams play are the three things other than goaltending that this team relies on to win hockey games.
Just another attempt by you to blame the high priced players for losses and subsequently the management team that signed them. Funny you don’t give this same management team credit for drafting Price, yet you chastise them for signing players who aren’t adequate in your opinion.
People are asking what happened to our offence. Don’t you mean what HASN’T happened? As in, it HASN’T gotten any better… despite all our big dollar free agents in extravagent favor over the supposed garbage we put out to the trash. Gionta is having an okay season but has fewer goals than Grabovski. Dagostini is on pace for 41 points; Scott Gomez 42. AK and Cammalleri – both getting first line money are looking like 2nd or 3rd line players.
So it’s a tired answer but what happened is Bob threw a TON of money at the smallest set of top 6 forwards imaginable and we’re stuck there. I mean, who expects the Habs to win with GOALS for crying out loud? We’re a goalie-led team, the rest is just “support”. Price is hot and a little support (aka goals) we win. Price isn’t hot, we lose. That’s the way the team is built.
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“It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS
Cap world my friend…….but yes agree to disagree!
Shaker
Sorry Jimmy but you are wrong, he is brutal playiing 5 minutes let alone 13-15 minutes, MAB might have more points but he is more of a defensive liability then Wiz…nuff said I agree to disagree …. Go Habs Go!!!
MAB gets way more points than the wiz, has the harder shot and costs about 2.5 to 3 million dollars less to have. If the nhl wasn’t a cap league, than by all means I wouldn’t want MAB as a hab. But in reality the nhl is a cap league and the team needs to manage their dollars. So for a guy who can pile up more points and cost a hell of a lot cheaper, then it makes sense. If MAB is a 3rd pairing on the D, playing about 13-15 minutes a night, with a stay at home d-partner, he could be very effective and again COST effective. That’s all!
Shaker
”where am I supposed to be?” defensive “stylings”
lol
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Bergeron gave the Buffalo forward the okay to hit Roloson by pushing him into him (for the 3-3 goal). MAB went on to display his prowess with his “where am I supposed to be?” defensive “stylings”.
The Wiz is bad, too, defensively. At least he can hit.
Yes he is bad, but not as bad as MAB. Much of the Wiz +/- was due to playing in Long Island. Prior to that he was always a plus player. Yes he can also hit. Last year everytime MAB was on the ice I would cringe and so would Halak/Price
Cheers!
Shaker
The tying goal was MABS fault even Boucher said so, does not matter I am just glad that he is not a HAB…..
I couldn’t help but think of you the second I saw MAB was -4, I really liked him MAB when he was here, if it wasn’t for his shot this guy wouldn’t even playing in the AHL. Being small and soft is bad enough for a D-man but the fact that he is a really bad passer and decision maker makes it even worst.
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Jordan Staal had his automatic one game suspension nulified. The Match Penalty was for intent to injure, and whether or not he connected as well as it first appeared doesn’t change the reason for the penalty call, yet they overturned it.
Lucic punched Freddy Meyer in the face when he wasn’t looking and received a fine. His teammate is the league disciplinarian’s son. I went a long time turning a blind eye to this stuff and chalking it up to coincidence too. But I’ve seen far too many coincidences over the years(especially since Bettman and Campbell took their respective posts) to ignore it any longer.
This goes beyond discipline. The team in the most financial trouble, needing a new arena, new ownership and the alternative being relocation and quite possibly the end of a franchise wins a lottery that gets them the best prospect since #99. That was probably a coincidence too. Not that I’m complaining, if it was in the league’s best interests I wouldn’t have left it to chance either, and I’m not upset about getting the #5 pick there either.
I’m not really one that’s in the conspiracy group, I’m more of the type that simply thinks it comes down to gross incompetence.
Go Habs Go!
Well said.
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Gardiner is compensation for the risk. Lupul has lots of talent but he was seriously ill with non-hockey type illness, thus it’s hard to quantify risk.
Ducks need a stay-at-home D and obviously they are comfortable with Beauchemin. It’s a good depth /playoff type move for Ducks and also they are about to get Getzlaf back, so they are re-balancing the portfolio for playoff hockey.
Finally, after all that Lupul has been through, a fresh start will probably help him, even if it’s Leafs.
On #2. Gardiner is exactly the kind of prospect that you would want if you’re the Flames in a deal where you’re selling a rental. The pick is gravy and Lupul is a nice project to see if he can thrive with a change of scenery.
me too…but the jist of the deal is the Ducks bought a year of cap relief and they have a window with Perry and Getzlaf intheir prime that they want to contend for…that 4.2 will come in handy…especialyl when they have to replace Selanne and Koivu in all likelihood. The 4th pck is in 2013 so they have plenty of time to deal a spare part to retrieve it…but yup…Burkie done good…but I think Anaheim is looking at bigger picture stuff….kind of like our Halak deal…..I hated teh Gomez deal but I never really minded Halak despite the prevailing opinions…big picture made sense to me on that one from every perspective. I think if I am an Anaheim fan and know that Fowler is stud, Sbisa is liekly a number 3 or 4 man downt he road, we have Visnovsky (beacuhemin was rock solid there), Lyndman has been better than hoped…. cap space moving forward…it makes sense too. They will have a ton of monety, a steady core group, a desirable place to play and their cross town rivals are very good too….the Ducks are gonna be huge players or at least try to be this offseason and going forward IMO.
There are two things I don’t like about that deal for Anaheim.
1. They didn’t buy low. Beauchemin has some value as a veteran defenseman who can do a couple of things really well, but he’s been underachieving on a bad team. They’re buying a player of moderate to low value but what they gave up could’ve probably landed them something a lot better. For example, if Feaster turned down that deal for Regehr, he’s nuts, and Regehr’s far better.
2. That trade doesn’t make them better today. Like you said, with Fowler, Lydman, Sbisa and Visnovsky already in place Beauchemin isn’t a piece that you need to acquire. Certainly not a piece that you acquire by giving up Lupul and Gardiner. I wouldn’t give up Lupul for Beauchemin at all, let alone sweetening the pot.
I disagree with 2. I think it defintiely makes them better today….Fowler or Visnovsky, whichever gets paired with him is going to get a lot more freedom to roam as Beauchemin is pretty solid in his own end with a little bit of bonus with his shot,etc.
I get the idea of 1. ….. but Feaster has Regehr whio is better than Beauchemin at same role…and likely isn’t playoff bound despite the recent streak…he has to wait to see where he is at IMO….if they are buyers…they have Regehr and wouldn;t be looking for a LUpul IMO…if they are sellers…..they don’t want Lupul’s contract they want youth (Gardienr is exactly that but Calgary can get prospects without taking a salary dump back from other teams or so I would suspect with the tradebait Feaster is packing. They have no use for B
And with this strand of posts, more Habs fans have dissected MAB’s performance than Lightning fans. Let him go people.
Go Habs Go!
For all the MAB lovers out there, he was brutal last night, just over 17 minutes played and -4……
And so was Roloson who let in 6 3rd period goals, so was St.Louis who was -3, vinny who was -2, and the refs who made some shady calls to get the sabres off and running in the 3rd period. So while yes MAB was -4, he wasn’t the only one who sucked on the bolts last night. Last time I checked there are 19 guys suiting up during the game.
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You gotta work on your sarcasm, cuz it just looks like backpeddlin’
“When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright
It isn’t sarcasm and I hope you salute me anyway.
Did you buy that Kessel damage controlling the other day?
Nope. He’s a moody player who needs hugs every once in a while. That was his way of saying that he’s a person just as much as he is an asset. He may not want a trade but he wants a shoulder to cry on for sure.
If that’s sarcasm, it’s of the best quality.
I salute you, sir.
Well…it would be more reasonable to assume Kessel actually wants a trade over a hug than a hug over a trade, so yeah, it works better as sarcasm.
As sarcasm, you would be making the point that of course Kessel wants out, and you’d be making it beautifully. Without it being sarcasm, you would have us believe that a grown man would gladly go down with the Titanic instead of grabbing the helicopter ladder as long as he’s being cuddled during the ordeal.
I dunno…
You sure you don’t want it to be sarcasm?
Come on! You were supposed to figure out that the reply saying it wasn’t sarcasm WAS sarcasm and that of course, the first one was too!
What makes it so galling is that Cooke has done stuff like this MANY TIMES and the NHL has refused to enforce serious consequences for his behaviour. He is responsible for Marc Savard’s career being in jeopardy. His borderline hit on Andrei Markov in last year’s playoffs has put him down the road to his career being in jeopardy. He got 2 games in November 2009 for a headshot on Artem Anisimov.
The reason that there is such a fury directed towards Matt Cooke is because he is playing to injure people. In consecutive games he has carried out a dirty play; in the first incident (Ovechkin) he will receive no discipline while for the second (Tyutin) he will only receive a maximum of five games.
This is a marginal player, one that is literally a dime a dozen, and he is injuring and attempting to injure other players and he is not being held accountable for his actions. The reason that there is such a focus on him is because he is the one that is doing these things. If Stamkos were to drill a guy headfirst into the boards in his next game, he would receive due criticism in the media. However, he’s not the type that’s likely to do it. Every time Matt Cooke steps on the ice he is looking to injure somebody.
There is a huge distinction to be made between someone with no history of dirty play that does something out of line once, and a player with a lengthy history of dirty play and actions that continues to do so on a consistent basis.
Go Habs Go!
All valid points. What I still don’t get is why Mr. Discipline is afraid to call him out and really set the punishment bar high. The Boston kid who was suspended last week got 4 games and one of the things I heard when it was reported was that the extent of the injury factored in to the length of the suspension. Why aren’t there regulations put in place? First hit 5 games, second hit 10, 3rd hit half the season and if you’re dumb enough to do it AGAIN, your hockey license is suspended for the season. Forget intent, forget trying to blame the victim of the hit “he should’ve been looking over his shoulder” “he could have moved” “keep your head up.” All of those statements are cowardly and don’t address the real issue which is workplace safety. Players want to hit other players and still be able to play? Hit legally. Nobody’s aim should be to put another player in a hospital bed.
To answer everybody who replies to your post and wonders why he doesn’t receive his due discipline. Consider the team he plays for. That team can’t be made out to appear as anything other than a star studded lineup stocked full of heroes. Too much league revenue rides on the American perception of that group.
Bruins due for a win some time. We have 3 wins against them so far…not liking how this game is set up for us..just karma i guess. a win by us and that says alot given key injuries we have.
Man we’re in their heads….like a few years ago….we got their number this year.Screw the bruins ….they’re overrated.We are a team full of guys with character and no quit and we will make the bruins eat it tonight in bean town.
That’s my feeling too. A W would be impressive. I just can’t see it, unless Price stands on his head of course… but I can’t see that for some reason tonight either.
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“It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS
Very well said. The “intent to injure”/outcome factor is what dilutes so many of these suspendable offences. That hit last night was atrocious in every way imaginable: he saw nothing but the numbers, he came in full-speed, and he jumped into the guy, but because Tyutin was fortunate enough to not be paralyzed and got up right away I’d be surprised if Cooke gets more than 2 games. The hearing he’s having today is by phone which means it can only be a maximum of 5 games. There was a clear intent to injure on that hit, by a player with a long rap sheet of offences exactly like that, but oh look the guy’s fine so we’ll just fine him $1000 and sweep it under the rug.
Go Habs Go!
You took the words out of my mouth. It’s unbelievable that people can “justify” and “defend” hits and say “because he got up, it wasn’t as bad as it looked.” Any time a person gets hit, he is that much closer to a brain injury, head injury, permanent or irreversible damage. Why does it matter if he got up? Cooke is a head-hunter. He could take it as he didn’t do a good enough job of burying his opponents’ head in the ice. At this point, for their protection and for the protection of Cooke’s future victims: the next guy to be unlucky enough to get hit by Cooke should lie on the ice and pretend he’s dead. Colin Campbell should have taken the bull by the horns when he had the chance last season. He didn’t, and that’s unfortunate, but Cooke is playing chicken with the league right now and at the moment he is winning. I’m all for “heat of the moment” type of plays. Cooke does everything he does intentionally and somehow he gets away with it and it needs to stop. One day, he is going to get steamrolled and he is not going to get up. That player, whoever he is bless him. Cooke will say “off with his head for trying to injure me” and those of us who have been watching Cooke’s antics with frowns on our faces will sneer and jeer at him and say “now you know how it feels” and “maybe you should find a new career.”
so… your not optimistic?
Who cares what you see or don’t see this team is like 8-2-3 in their last 13 gms or something to that extent.Pretty darn good if ya ask me.Cuz ya see…..We win.We get the job done…and we will tonight smart dog.Obviously today you do not know your poop!
Ya aint gotta be a bunch of speed skaters to play D ya know?!!!Its called positional play.Ask Chris Pronger about being in the right position.Why else can he log 30mins a game???Cuz he’s positionally sound.
Agree 100%
The system works cause no one can tell me the habs are a good team, if they were, they would use their supposed speed and run and gun against anybody, but they cant cause the D is too vulnerable if you ask me, it depends on the forwards coming way back.
I find it odd how some will label NJ devils as boring hockey. Habs hockey is the same under JM. The only excitement is that the prudent system keeps games close.
[Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.
I don’t know where the notion comes from that we are a fast team. We have some speedy forwards, but our defence has to be the slowest (collectively) in the league.
This “new” NHL is hardly run and gun…a couple of blip years of high scoring post lockout have been followed by a downward trend in average league scoring. Martin is playing the system he has to play with the personnel he’s got.
Montreal’s defence is pretty slow and very vulnerable to being attacked by speed: Spacek and Hamrlik have lost a lot of foot-speed and Gill is a turtle. Subban has speed, but poor positioning. Weber has better positioning, but his size makes him vulnerable. Picard and Wisniewski are both a bit of an adventure in the back end.
If Martin opens up, Price is facing a lot of net-crashing chances, just like the 2008-09 Habs, and no goalie is stopping those regularly. T
he defence first gameplan might not be as fun to watch, but it works with the current players. Unless you really thought Montreal would be sitting in the top 10 overall in a season without Andrei Markov…
OK, what’s wrong with this picture…….
Facts:
Gionta (our leading goal scorer): 19 goals.
Our other “natural goalscorers” Cammy, Kostits, Pouliot, all have less than him.
Some players around the league with MORE goals than Gionta: James Neal, Dallas; Matt Moulson, Isles; Stafford, Buffalo; Vanek; Buffalo.
Now, remember, Gionta has the MOST goals on our team. If we look at Cammy and AK46 (our next BIG TRUE goalscorers- or so they should be as we are told), they have LESS goals than: Kulemin, Toronto; MacArthur, Toronto; David Jones, Colorado; Grabner, Isles; Fisher, Ottawa; and DEFENCEMAN Brent Burns, Minny.
Now, not taking anything away from these players on the other teams, as what they have accomplished up to now, I say kudos to them. They deserve it. What my question is, WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR GOALSCORERES??????
Well, I can tell you: Jaqes Martin, that’s what. His “system” sucks. He doesn’t let the players play. The trap (unless you are in NJ) went out with the “old” NHL. This “new” NHL is run and gun, and we have the goaltender to support it. As long as Price continues his play, we can open up the game. We don’t open up and he still saves 20 shots every third period. Wow, JM’s “puck possession” really works, eh? Shit JM, give it the gas man!
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Jim-out. I BELIEVE!
St. Louis’s back up won one did he?
The announcers in the Youtube vid of the Matt Cooke hit need their brains checked. “Look freeze it there. He’s looking over his shoulder. You’ve gotta be prepaired.” Uh excuse me but if Matt Cooke crossed checked my face into a store window, he would be arrested on the spot. How can these idiots defend this kind of behavior? And they’re talking about how since it’s him the punishment will be stiffer and that sucks. Boo hoo! Stop hurting people and play the game you’re paid to play and you won’t get suspended! Duh face. ♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪
true that. me thinks its a salary dump by ducks. burke puts him on LTR down the road due to back problems, creates more salary cap room and has a fairly young dman and a conditional pic. he later peddles LUPOL for more pics…burke and his ties to the ducks helped for sure.
I’d say that’s an awful lot for Bauche. Wow.
WOW that is alot. The market is set high for Dmen at this point.
Even with all of our injuries…at least we aren’t losing goaltenders left, right and centre *coughtheislanderscough*
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Matt Cooke is a scumbag, his continued on-ice ‘style of play’ obviously reflects what kind of a**hole he really is off the ice.
He needs another Evander Kane thumping.
Gardiner is a good prospect. I think Burke just hosed the Ducks. Just my opinion. The fourth round pick isn’t huge but if you had asked me if I would trade an aging and often unreliable Beauchemin for Lupul and Gardiner I would say yes before you even had time to offer the fourth round pick on top of that.
The Leafs could end up big winners here. Lupul has had a year from hell with back surgery leading to two infections that saw him lose 30 pounds. If he’s okay, and so far seems like he might be, it could be he just needs time to get his steam. He had 10 goals in 23 games in 09-10 before the operation…. Worth the gamble for hte Leafs who are desperate for scoring.. but yeah, can’t see why Anaheim paid so much. Weird.
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“It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS
The Beauchemin deal seems like a lot…BUT…Lupul has 2 more years at 4.2 (which is too much for him to any team that is a contender and wants cap space moving forward). Beauchemin has one more year at 3.8 …which is his fair market value IMO. This is why the Leafs are getting Gardiner and the pick…..they are buying cap relief(ANA is), adding a dman familiar with the team, who is as steady as a rock (when not surrounded by buffoons). The Leafs made a good deal but not because of Lupul…because they got a draft pick and a good prospect….Lupul is overpaid and for two more years…he instantly becomes the teams second highest paid forward. This is actually a good deal by both clubs IMO …Anaheim got immediate help on the back end, they aready have two young dmen in Sbisa and Fowler so Gardiner is expendable (lucky for Leafs). The LEafs thought they had compensated with their picks for KEssel with guys like Bozak, Gustavsson,etc ..they basically just bought what will likely be a low first rounder in Gardiner for 4.2 million.
Anaheim will have plenty fo room to give GEtzlaf a serious threat behind him up the middle…look for them to make a huge play for Spezza or Richards IMO.
Salary Cap Update for all HIO GM’s;
LTIR $3,030,000
Bonus $660,000
Really don’t want to use Bonus Cushion and season is 2/3 done tonight for us so…..
You can pick up players with a total Cap of $9,000,000 plus any Hab player’s cap going the other way.
God Save Our Souls.
Well, they’re right next to LA. I hear they wife-swap to promote team bonding.
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“It bothers me…there are old coaches in the league today that don’t know how to deal with these young personalities.” – Mike Peca on JM handling of PKS
BB must have a video of the owner doing something he should not be doing.
and here i thought no one would notice after i wrote that quickly…ur right. still it seems like Burke bent over the ducks GM on this one.
I think he did too.
and the bar has been raised for Dmen with this trade…thanks Burke.
He isn’t in a contract year, it doesn’t raise the value on rentals at all.
NOw..here is a question for everyone….may speak of an unwritten rule of not trading your FA signings early on as they are always vets, likely with families,etc…and that it may hamper future dealings……think Burkie gets a pass because Beauch is going home really? or does this affect things going forward? apparently a quarter of the league would rather play for anyone other than Wilson anyway…but a valid question…no?
Very good question and it begs another one. How many Leafs want out? Would it really shock anyone if Beauchemin, Kaberle, Kessel, Kadri and others wanted out of there. The entire San Jose Sharks roster threw a party when Ron Wilson was fired.
To your first point. It’s merky water now that so many players have no trade or no movement clauses. It can be argued from a management or ownership standpoint that if you want to avoid being moved early or midway through your contract you should have your agent get you on a team that is willing to give you a no move clause.
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Seems like a lot for Beauchemin no?
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How is it that Anaheim keeps getting fleeced by Toronto?
Leafs trade Beauchiiiiiimin to the ducks for lupol and other players per tsn and gm.
I don’t know if there is a pact of non-aggression between Montreal’s print/web media, but I would suggest, at least while they’re still employing scabs, to never link to Quebecor’s stories. Giving them readership and, therefore, ad revenue would go to invalidate the little ribbing given on the link itself.
Boycotting Le Journal by not buying it, or reading it for free at the Cantine is easy to do. Shunning Canoe.ca and unplugging Videtron are logical actions in lockstep with the idea that people don’t seem to put in practice much in Quebec.
Heard both Raymond and Basu on team 990. As far as facts of story there were very few differences and none major. Basically Gill used a perceived disrespectful act by Subban (tossing jersey on floor) to drive home a point he was making with Raymond about rookies.
I dont know why people are calling Raymond’s report scab journalism and giving Basu praise. Basu’s reporting on this has been all over the place as he tries to simulataneously categorize it as an insignificant moment of ‘jest’ and give it the gravity of a veteran counseling a rookie, who apparently takes the message seriously based on his repeated apologies to Gill. And then Gill looks even more laughable in his clip on CNN where he said it was all a big joke.
Raymond’s account is straightforward with no apologies or extrapolation. And on team990 Apron Basu gave his most direct and clear answer and it in no way contadicted Raymond’s account and in fact was Basu’s best coverage of the matter.
Gill’s tutelage of Subban is a good thing for the Habs unless it makes Subban become Gill… which is a concern of mine as Georges was becoming Gill.
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I shall use HIO’s forum to voice aloud my thoughts on that concern but for now the game is uppermost in mind.
GO HABS GO!