Fans pack Bell Sports Complex to watch final scrimmage at development camp

Fans turned out in droves–in early July, no less–to watch the final scrimmage at the Canadiens annual development camp on Friday morning.

There was no room left in the packed parking lot at the Bell Sports Complex where fans were allowed into the stands to watch the scrimmage.

There was also no shortage of action on the ice with 10 goals scored. Charles Hudon and Josiah Didier scored twice for the white team to help lead it to an 8-2 win over the red team. Patrick Holland, Christian Thomas and Jack Nevins also added goals for the white team. Michael Szmatula and Sven Andrighetto scored for the red team.

Fifty-one players, including 20 who were drafted by the Canadiens, were invited to the camp that kicked off on Monday.

Gallagher needs new digs after trade of easygoing landlord, by Dave Stubbs

Habs’ prospects get taste of their hockey dreams, by Pat Hickey

Habs prospect Lernout tempers nasty streak with a sense of humour, by Dave Stubbs

(Photo & video Pierre Obendrauf/The Gazette)



  1. habstrinifan says:

    There is something inherently unjust in the NHL CBA agreement.

    HabFab posted the following link re deadlines for the HABS to sign players.

    Take a look at Didier for instance. Drafted in 4th rnd 2011 (so not an ‘afterthoght’ type pick).

    Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the CBA severly restricts his options.

    He’s HAB’s property so even if he wanted to leave college and pursue with other team the HABS would have some sort of ‘rights’

    Essentially until August 2015 he has no avenues to make money as a hockey player unless the HABS agree.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

  2. CJ says:

    Good afternoon folks.

    Trusting everyone is enjoying their weekend. I am not sure if there is an appetite (or thirst) among community members residing in the Ottawa, or extended area to do a get together, but I would love to have the pleasure of meeting new friends and talking hockey. If there was interest, I could book a couple of tables at Pub Italia on Preston st., or am open to any location more convenient to others.

    In any event, let me know if there is any interest.

    Cheers, CJ

    • monmick says:

      Potentially, depending on date. I’m spending lots of time at the fish camp this summer. Maybe some time in the Fall would work best…

      ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

    • scamorza says:

      I am in the capital region every second week for work purposes so depending on when and if it is a Tueday or Wednesday … I normally hit restaurants in the market as it is nice walk back to Gatineau. Hope to meet up with fellow hab fanatics at some point

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

      • CJ says:

        Sounds great. Hopefully we can identify a date in the coming weeks. Cheers, CJ

        • scamorza says:

          Checked out the Pub Italia looks good – need to increase my restaurant choices have been to empire grill, lux? And mezza note , this sounds like a good option so thanks for the tip

          come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

          • monmick says:

            Check out Mill Street Pub on Wellington Street next time you are in Ottawa. Great beer and stunning building/location. Or Chez Lucien on Murray Street in the Market area — lots of Habs fans and memorabilia there. Both are also walking distance to Gatineau…

            ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

          • CJ says:

            Mill Street is wonderful. There are so many great spots around town. Looking forward to chatting all things Canadiens and hoisting a few pints in the near future. Cheers, CJ

          • scamorza says:

            Merci Mes Amis – think I have been at the mill street pub for lunch- this is near the war museum right? As you said great location. Will check out chez Lucien a la prochaine.

            come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  3. habs001 says:

    So what type of game will Brazil/Netherlands be? ..very hard to predict…

    • habstrinifan says:

      I think both coaches talked about not wanting to play the game.

      I hope in the light of that attitude that they got together and decided a couple of things:

      a) all subs will start.. regulars will be inserted later on.
      b) all out free flowing soccer.
      c) ask their players to play hard/with fair tackles… but play hard…
      use lots of speed.
      To hell with the final score.. give the fans a trea and showcase the future.

      Someone said Williams(??) from Brazil could be a budding superstar for instance. And there must be others on both teams. Lets see them.

      If they approach the game that way it would be a great game.

      Oh yeah start the game in a camaraderie salute of the fans… that would get the fans in the game too.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

  4. Strummer says:

    The last original Ramone has put on his wings.

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  5. Commandant says:

    I can’t believe how many posts say we should just throw out the 50-60 point centre like bad trash even though he has a cheap contract for that production.

    Yes Galchenyuk (eventually) needs to be the number one centre. But wouldn’t 50 points make for a good #2 (And at $3.5 million thats a cheap #2).

    Go Habs Go!

  6. UKRAINIANhab says:

    You never know, in a few years Soccer could push Hockey a bit in this country. The Demographics support it as well. Also, parents might not want there kids playing contact sports like Football or Hockey. With a lot of immigrants coming from the middle east and all throughout the world, they are not interested in hockey. One sport that might be overtaken quickly is Baseball. MLS attendance is way up, higher than Baseball (albeit way more games) and with the US soccer team doing as well as they did. You never know… I think soccer will be much more popular than Hockey in 20 years in the States. Soccer deniers and people who don’t like the sport won’t agree with me, but check the numbers and the demographics.

    Obviously, nothing will ever take over Hockey here. But we could be seeing less american talent!

    • HabFab says:

      Northern Americans will still play hockey in the winter. However it has been growing in popularity for sure.

    • habs001 says:

      MLS has limited interest till it can compete with the other leagues for talent…North Americans will only go so far in watching second and third rate players..

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        Well ok I agree,

        The EPL best league in tHe world just signed a huge multi year deal with NBC. NBC will air plenty of EPL games a week to capture interest.

        • Commandant says:

          at 7 am and 9 am…. with the latest games on the weeken being 11 am starts.

          Go Habs Go!

        • Chris says:

          Depends on what you mean by overtaking hockey.

          If we mean in terms of youth playing the sport, it did that long ago. Same with both men and women adult leagues.

          If we mean in terms of people watching the sport, it is already knocking on the doorstep. CBC’s viewership for the World Cup has surpassed 1 million for every game in the tournament with the exception of the Mexico-Cameroon groups tage game. The top viewed game, Italy-England, hit 2.8 million, a bit off the 3.3 million that watch Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals.

          But the catch is that those viewership numbers are for games in the middle of the day and don’t take into account online streaming of the game. I can guarantee you that those numbers are massive…my internet connection at school might as well by 1990’s era dial up with the current game streaming on pretty much 50% or more of the computers on campus.

          The natural rebuttal to that is to cite the Olympics hockey numbers…the final was watched by more than 15 million Canadians. So soccer has a ways to go…having Canada actually make the tournament would certainly drive those numbers WAY up.

      • Chris says:

        I don’t mind watching junior hockey games even though most of the players are never going anywhere because the competition is still good.

        Treat the MLS like European countries treat 2nd and 3rd division teams. Those teams still have avid supporters that enjoy the chance to get out to a game and watch some up-and-coming players that might end up in the Premiership or some good lower level players that build up their own following.

        I love going to TFC games because the atmosphere and the venue are great. Being down by the lake, enjoying the sunshine in a stadium where there isn’t a bad seat in the house, is a great experience. It is even better if they make the Champion’s league, because then you get to see some of the top teams from Central American leagues and Mexico.

        If you only want to see the best players, then yes…the MLS can never compete. But if you enjoy watching the guys who might be the future of the Canadian or American national teams, than the MLS isn’t a bad deal at all.

        • habs001 says:

          Very true but at this stage it cannot have the economics of the major North American sports…

          • Chris says:

            Of course it can’t…but it can have similar economics to Championship or 2nd division soccer in the UK, which is still a pretty decent product.

    • Chris says:

      Hockey’s numbers are plummeting. Equipment is very expensive, and ice time is often at horrendous times of the day, putting a huge burden on parents. Throw in the ever-increasing brain trauma evidence and the skyrocketing costs for rep teams and you’ve got a problem.

      Soccer had the opposite problem: there were very few facilities in which kids could play year-round. That is rapidly being addressed as field turf has become a legitimate (albeit still painful) alternative to grass fields. Here in Guelph, we had no turf fields 10 years ago. Now, we have two full-size fields and a slightly smaller than regulation sized field, and they are doing well because of both soccer and ultimate (another sport that is growing VERY fast here in Canada).

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        One thing is keeping kids interested after the age of Ten. Many seem to quit really early because of coaching. I know well at least, my son (10) had a coach that was just doing fitness for practices…he is still playing competitive however, many kids did quit after that.

        • Chris says:

          No question. I coached U8, U9 and U10 for a few years, but I usually stop at that point because I felt like the kids started to need better technical coaching than what I could provide.

          Soccer in this country has too often been coached like hockey, a sport where our skill development is actually pretty bad despite out international success. We benefit massively from a 10-1 player pool advantage in hockey, allowing our crappy coaching philosophies to go unpunished.

          They are finally making positive changes to youth soccer. Getting rid of scores was a big first step. But the one that ultimately dooms high level soccer in this country is that the kids simply aren’t out playing on their own. If you want to develop the kind of ridiculous skill that a player like Ronaldinho or Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi disply, that has to be developed in the free-for-all unstructured games with other kids. It does not happen in structured games and practices.

          You can teach tactics to the best and most elite players. But you have to let them develop into those players, something I don’t feel that we do well in any of the most popular sports.

          • UKRAINIANhab says:

            That is the difference between the US and Canada’s soccer teams. (Other than when all our good players run and play for different countries but I digress) coaching. The US has much better coaching in soccer. Also, when I was playing in Ukraine and Portugal for a bit, the coaches try and relate to each player and develop there skills individually which imo really helps. Rather than talking to 23 people.

          • Chris says:

            Getting more than 1 coach is very helpful in that regard. I wouldn’t coach unless I had at least one other person coaching with me…2 coaches for 12 kids was a decent ratio, and let us get around and work with the different kids. Having another 1 or 2 coaches would have been that much better.

            I will say that the quality of the players is definitely improving, though. I was playing last night with a bunch of high school players, and the talent level was much higher for those kids than it was when I was a kid. A couple of them were playing on rep teams in provincial leagues, but most were not. All of them had impressive dribbling and shooting skills (their passing could use some work, however).

            As more and more kids play the sport through their teens, it will continue to get better. We need more leagues in the teenage years, or clubs where the kids can play with older players to continue to improve their skills. Fortunately, that is already happening.

  7. keithmacv says:

    Why do think Galchenyuk will not play centre?

    • HabFab says:

      He has played more wing then center since he started playing hockey including Junior. I’m just not sure that it is the best position for him. Time will tell that story.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      DD needs to be traded first and unfortunately we probably will have to wait one more year for that to happen.

      • crane says:

        Can’t stand the thought of D.D. getting 1:40 of power play time again this season.M.T. pet has to go to move ahead,and if Patches can’t wrap his head around that,then he can move on to for great return.

  8. HabFab says:

    FA’s from the Prospect Camp that performed the best as per the EOTP article. Have not seen much from the camp so any other links would be appreciated;
    Alexandre Goulet – LW – QMJHL – 5-11 / 190 / ’96 – was ranked 65th best NA skater by Central Scouting but slid thru the draft
    Brandon McNally – LW – NCAA – 6-2 / 185 / ’92 – has 1 year left at Dartmouth
    CJ Motte – G – NCAA – 6-0 / 190 / ’91 – has 1 year left at Ferris
    Vincent Muto – D – NCAA – 6-1 / 205 / ’93 – has 3 years left at Niagara
    Nick Sorkin – RW – NCAA – 6-3 / 185 / ’91 – graduated and did a 9 game PTO at Hamilton with 1G
    Michael Szmatula – C – NCAA – 5-9 / 180 / ’92 – has 3 years left at Northeastern

    • crane says:

      D.D.has to go,holding the team back at center, Gally and Eller gives us size,Plekanec gives us great shut down man.D.D. can’t due fourth line duty.What would D.D.,Moen,and Nygren bring in.


      • HabFab says:

        Chucky may never play center in the NHL… then what will the Hab FANactics do?

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          Then we still would have Pleks, Eller, Bournival and Malhotra at centre. Crane is completely right about Desharnais.

          I also think there´s no way Galchenyuk would put up less points next season than DD, playing constantly with Pacioretty and another of our three best wingers…

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Nick Sorkin is the one that’s intriguing for me. He played well in his tryout at the end of last season, and was getting better as it progressed. The last couple of games he was flying out there, looking really good with the puck. This of course I concluded while viewing off a jumpy stream, but still…

      I wonder if the holdup is that the Canadiens are offering an AHL deal, and he’s waiting for an NHL contract. Because offering him an AHL contract seems like a no-brainer, it would be signed by now if both parties would agree to that.

      • HabFab says:

        Sorkin is the only one that could sign and play right now. The other possibility is signing Goulet but I’m not sure if the rules for doing that have changed with the new CBA.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Yeah, the Canadiens could sign Alexandre Goulet, it’s allowed under the CBA. All undrafted junior players who are 18 are eligible to sign, but it’s very rare, it would have to be a player a team thinks is a can’t-miss prospect or nearly so, and those don’t normally last past the seventh round.

          I doubt the Canadiens would sign him, they preferred to spend draft picks this June on longshots like Nikolas Koberstein and Jake Evans. I don’t know if they want to spend a contract slot on him right off the bat.

          Trevor Timmins said a lot of the players they invited were players they’ll want to keep an eye on throughout next season, so this camp gave them a base to work off, a chance to get to know them better.

    • habs_54321 says:

      what ever happened to stefan fournier? kid looked like he was on his way to making an impact in the pro leagues when montreal signed him. another prospect hamilton has failed, its becoming a prospect graveyard down there.

      • HabFab says:

        Had injuries last season, but still did not make an impact in Hamilton. A big body but not very fast. He still has two more years left on his ELC to get it together.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        If you’re curious about how a prospect is doing, maybe do a quick research, use Google, and find out. Don’t build on your lack of knowledge to launch into a baseless paranoid rant.

        Stéfan Fournier was signed as a 20-year-old undrafted junior, he has a very low probability of ever making it to the NHL. He was given a chance as a character player who’ll bring size and toughness and should contribute at the AHL level for now. As HafFab pointed out, he had a tough first year, with injuries playing a part.

  9. Un Canadien errant says:

    I wrote a post last night about how we need to temper our expectations after the development camp. More grist for the mill, both the Canucks and the Flames think they had great talent in their camp, their future is bright, their first-rounders are augmented by a lot of shrewd late-round picks, …

    Also, a cool story by Jason Botchford about a huge defenceman the Canucks drafted in the seventh round who has had to overcome huge obstacles.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    • habs001 says:

      Every team thinks they have great talent..Change the Habs prospects with the prospects of the majority of the other teams and we would be hearing the same positive info from posters..Sometimes it sound like on this site that no matter how low the Habs pick they have the best prospects…The first round picks of the other teams are meaningless as we have the best pick at 26th

  10. habs001 says:

    So the story is that if you are in a blackout region you can catch every Hab game on centre ice only and national games on sportnet/affiliates and TVA(SPORTS)…Not confirmed but someone mentioned the other day that they heard that centre ice will also pick up all Hab games in french..So if they have all games in english and french the only complaint is the cost…

    • eric says:

      Is that on Rogers or shaw??

      • habs001 says:

        I have Rogers…But i buy the super sport pack that includes NFL,NBA,MLB and Junior hockey games…Last year every Hab game was on(mostly TSN broadcast,CBC and USA local…a few times they only had RDS broadcast…that was rare)

    • Max_a_million says:

      Everyone complains about paying for things on here. The Gazette subscription, the games … If you like it, should you pay for it? The people who bring these things to you should make a living?

      • habs001 says:

        Yet a game outing for 2 in Montreal can cost hundreds of $$$$$ and people go…How else can players make the salaries of 80-100 fireman/policeman etc a year…A lot of people are willing to spend $500-$800 regularly to see 2.5 hours of hockey..

        • Max_a_million says:

          True , seems like centre ice is a better deal.

          The cool thing is that road games in places like Tampa and Long Island usually feel like home games.

          They pay as much in Ottawa, Winnipeg, and Toronto and they don’t even field legitimate NHL teams.

        • Paz says:

          The average fan can go to 1 game a year, if at all.
          Teams rely on corporate money to pay for season tickets and loges.
          Then the corporations give away their tickets to employees, clients, prospective clients etc.

          There are wires available that connect your computer to your TV.

          If you don’t want to pay to watch the games, pick up the free Internet, and connect it to your TV.


    Keep the two Gallys together, Give them a good left winger for our 2nd line and a 1st line of Pacioretty, DD, Parenteau we’ll have a good top six.

    The bottom six we have right now with the exception of Plekanec are all minus players but we still should be a playoff team. A lot of the eastern conference teams have improved and will be a lot harder to defeat.

  12. boing007 says:

    Comment from CBC World Cup site:
    working antique

    Hoping someday to see a team from Canada actually make it to the cup, perhaps even win…
    Would be nice given that this game only needs a field, some shoes, and a ball. How many parents are hockey-equipment poor? This is an infinitely better game, and its global. Mr. Bettman can take his five hundred dollar tickets and ….

    Richard R

    • frontenac1 says:

      Infinitely better game than Hockey? Even Wrestling has better acting than soccer. And it’s over faster.

    • Coach K says:

      Hi 007

      You raise a good point about the cost of hockey in Canada.

      I can tell you that as a parent of a AAA Hockey player in eastern Ontario, the lest expensive component of hockey is the equipment. By far the greatest expense is travel and in particular, the tournaments which can be on average, a $1000.00 weekend (and that even includes us bringing along a small microwave and toaster to help offset meal costs while away).

      In contrast, hockey at the entry level is cheap by comparison since many organizations offer equipment swaps to help offset the costs. We always figured the lower level hockey ran about $900.00 for the season (including gear and registration) but if you factored it over the 7 moths of the season, worked out to be quite reasonable. For that money your child typically gets about three ice times per week, which in my opinion, isn’t a bad return.
      If Hockey Canada wants to grow the game, they need to work with municipalities to reduce ice time costs because that’s where the lion’s share of the registration fee goes. The refs and linesmen get a small stipend and the coaches are volunteers. Our AAA coaches do get paid but it’s mostly to cover their gas and lodging during tournaments since they are usually volunteers who do not have kids on the team and would have no reason to incur those expenses otherwise.

      I absolutely agree with you that the cost of hockey at the NHL level is obscene and I refuse to attend in person. When an average player can earn more in one game than I can in an entire year, it becomes clear that they don’t need my money. I’ll enjoy it from the comfort of my couch.

      Just my two cents…

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

      • frontenac1 says:

        Many of our kids played Canada’s other National Sport in the off season(Lacrosse). A great game and cheap. First year kids got a free stick(Crosse) with their entry fee which was less than $200. They used their some of their hockey equipment and the only addition they needed was kidney pads. Most rinks pull the ice out at the end of March and the arena rentals are almost nill. We even had lots of non hockey playing kids and they loved it. Saludos!

  13. habstrinifan says:

    Breaking News! Lars Eller was heard asking his asking everyone for a pen.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

  14. hansolo says:

    This was prompted by a “You might also like” notification.

    Is it merely a coincidence that MB has now shipped out the 2 most vocal Habs player reps from the lockout 2 seasons ago? First Cole, and now Gorges.

    While the contracts were no doubt factors for both, Cole certainly didn’t bring his best after the lockout. Perhaps Gorges did the same, albeit in a much more subtle way.

  15. JohnBellyful says:

    Hate to ruin your morning but you were bound to find out anyway.
    There’s been a delay

  16. Strummer says:

    So I’m watching this travel program- nice shots of the French countryside- and this mob on bicycles keeps showing up on screen, hogging the scenery.
    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  17. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Prediction: Habs add a big ticket UFA at the deadline with the 2nd rounder from Buffalo… If the said UFA fits in, he’ll get a contract offer, if not.. See Vanek…

    ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • habitunts1 says:

      Glad to see the town Maniwaki salute there native son with the Rink named after him. Now I would love if the Canadiens organization donates money to this rare heart condition research and or has a tribute to him at the beginning of the season on the jumbotron with his family on the ice. Possibly his jersey raised to the rafters might be fitting as well. Would love it if Hab fans on this site would get there picture taken as a group out in front of the Bell Centre with a Heart warming thanks for all he has done and send the picture via email to the place he is at now. Anything to help raise his spirits


      • bostonantifan says:

        I agree it was great for Maniwaki to salute Gino, and I enjoyed watching him play for the Habs, and wish nothing but the best for him and his family, but hanging a jersey in the rafters is an honor for one’s on-ice accomplishments.

  18. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! Only 1 team from Canada made the playoffs last season. Did the off season improve their chances?

    • Cal says:

      What a cast of “characters”. Talk about a new buzz word that everyone hopped onto after Bergevin started talking about it when he joined the Habs. Now, every GM drones on about it.
      The biggest gong show in Canada is the Maple Leafs organization right now and it starts with Limpjerky, um, Lieweke. Adding Shanahan to try to attract anyone to the team has thus far proved fruitless as Gorges rejected going despite Shamahan’s best attempts. (No one wants to play where Phagoof is a captain and can’t play D worth a crap.)
      The 2nd best (worst?) franchise in Canada right now is Vancouver. Extending the Sedins was a big mistake, despite their talent. Their lack of fortitude during the Cup final in 2011 was on display for everyone to see yet they get extended? Signing Ryan (I can’t play since Lucic nearly took my head off) Miller was, to be blunt, bleeping stupid. If ever a team should have committed to fully rebuilding, it’s the Canucks. Instead, they remain as stubborn as Feaster’s old Flames.

      In 3rd is Edmonton. They did make good picks. They haven’t developed them worth crap. Talk about a bunch of one way players. This season, they will be better pretty much because they can’t be any worse.
      So, there ya go, Jim. Another long-winded reply. 😉

  19. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good morning

    From below, there appears to be a lot of dumping on Hamilton Coach Lefebvre, which is unfair at best at this time.

    First off, what was he given to work with?
    In that initial 2012-13 season, no less than 53 players put on the Bulldogs sweater including 6 goalies one being Scott Darling…..
    Next – and with some exceptions mostly Dmen/Gallagher, the talent on that team was awful.
    Remember Joey Tenute?

    In most organizations, there is a ‘philosophy’ that is built by a GM.
    This is adapted at the AHL level along with an organization coaching philosophy so as a player isn’t lost when he makes the jump.

    Development is a word often used, yet it has different meanings for different organizations.
    GMMB was a rookie that year as was most of the organization.
    The Hamilton team was full of leftover scraps from the previous regime.

    Then, there is the AHL itself.
    Most teams are made-up of a hodge-podge group with different wants, needs, expectations, and frustrations.
    Some are older picking up a good pay ($75K-$175K) with no chance of making the NHL…yet a much better alternative than a Walmart greeter.

    Then there are some drafted players that feel entitled, yet are either unwilling to pay the price or have peaked in development and skill. (Did Louis Leblanc fall in this category?)

    Another group is the very talented guys that don’t have the patience or maturity to take that last big step and need more time…meaning added frustration…
    Money ‘may’ also be a factor with this last group.
    Ex: Beaulieu AHL pay $70,000 – NHL pay $925,000.

    To judge Lefebvre at this moment is unfair.
    Next season, GMMB’s 1st crop of draft choices finally shows up.
    If in 2-3 years there is no progress or regression or a majority player mutiny, then GMMB will have an issue to deal with.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Hi Ron. I haven’t been one of those to criticize Lefebvre as I haven’t had much of an opportunity to see the Baby Habs play much but I do think a team with Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn and Tokorski should have at least been a playoff team, no?

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi jim

        The Bulldogs team lacked talented forwards.
        Look at the Texas team that won the Calder Cup.

        Notice the stats of both the older and younger guys compared to Hamilton….not even comparable.

        While habs fans have high hopes for the AHL 3 Dmen, there are many other teams that have prospects that are just as good – if not better.
        There may have also been frustration with those 3.
        Beaulieu’s was public, yet perhaps Tinordi felt the same way.
        Pateryn didn’t even get a cup of coffee with the big team. How did that hurt the confidence level?
        They’ll get their real chance this year…

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          There was no issue with NB. It was stated that the team wanted to see Tinordi and NB for a predetermined number of games. The public part was the media, we all saw NB play pretty good before the Olympic break and wondered why he wasn’t up with the Habs, jumped to conclusions about character issues.

          In reality, it was an “evaluation period” for NB where he was sent back to the AHL to male minor tweaks to his first pass decisions, D to D positioning to receive a pass, and offensive zone pinches… He improved all of those areas and played his way into the team in the playoffs..

          That’s how I see it.

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

    • JUST ME says:

      More so than enjoying the game itself, dumping on the coach seems to be the favourite fixation for some Habs fans.

      Lefebvre has been coaching old stuff à la Blunden and people expect different results ? Day 1 is now for all the coaches that have been added in Hamilton with the first significant crop of new talents from the Bergevin`s management. Out with the old, bye bye Blunden,bye bye Leblanc and in with real new blood.

      Come back in 2 years to make then valuable critics but to make it so right now is just unfair or unaware of the situation down there.
      Basically this is the most important step in Bergevin`s plan that is being implemented this summer. We have been busy with the big team and quite entertained, but in Hamilton nothing really changed players wise since the previous management. Now is day 1.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        There is also the question of unrealistic expectations for low draft picks – especially after the 3nd round.
        There are some recent exceptions such as Gallagher, yet they are few and far between and will also become more scarce as time moves on.

        In this day and age where every team employs a multitude of NA and Euro scouts, the days of Datsyuk (drafted 171)and Zetterberg (drafted 210) are over.
        There are few secrets.
        Also, only a very few skip under the radar screen as they take a big jump after their draft year…usually NCAA guys.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Det places many of their late round picks into them more time to evaluate and improve a player before they become a “player under contract.” This strategy essentially allows Detroit to Have more players in their system. Ingenious approach, easy to say when it worked with Nyqvist though haha.

          ~~ Plekanec at the Disco ~~

        • habs_54321 says:

          gallagher was developed in the WHL not the ahl if wasn’t for a lockout shortened season kid woulda make the nhl out of preseason he was already a star, and its not like he lit it up in his 30 or so games in hamilton he scored 10 goals.

    • thebonscott says:

      agree fully Ron, the bulldogs haven’t been able to score a goal for years, defensively they have played well, but forward depth at that level is terrible. That has hurt Lefebvre, would have to wait a few more years, like you said, before we can criticize sylvain.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        Who really knows if Lefebvre is good ‘developer’, yet Bergevin seems to be OK with him…so far.
        It’s sometimes interesting how the coaching thing goes.
        How good would Sutter, Quenneville, Babcock be looked upon if they had been behind the benches of either Buffalo or Calgary the past 2-3 years?

  20. 24 Cups says:

    Tyler Myers to the Wings? They have some good kids to make such a deal work.

    You heard it here first.

    24 Cups

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      There was a lot of guess work/speculation in that article.

      At this point, it would be unwise for Buffalo to do that move unless they were blown away with an offer of a player that can play now.
      The last thing the Sabres need are more draft choices.

      Myers is only 24 years old with a bit of a confidence issue and played on a bad team with no mentorship.

      In hindsight, jumping directly to the NHL from Junior may not have been the best decision in the long run.
      While the Josh Gorges dislikers may snicker, don’t be surprised if Myers has a break out year…perhaps one of the reasons the Sabres brought him on board

      • Strummer says:

        Gorges will be good for the young D prospects in Buffalo.

        Why do you think Shanahan wanted him in Toronto?
        It starts with “leader” and ends with “ship”

        “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  21. sweetmad says:

    Again I have read that Markov refused the captaincy last time,he was never offered it,he is on record as saying he would take it if it was offered,but he said no one had approached him about it.

    I don’t understand French but i take from the artcle just posted below,that the Weeds had made an offer to PK,I didn’t think this was possible as he is going to arbertration.

    I wish I could have been at the prospects camp,I would love to have seen the future of our team,I only hope that some of them make it before my time is up.

    I said in 2007 on the HABS site that we should have development managers,when I first heard of the Blues development team,at that time there was only a couple teams that had these,now I think most teams have them,I can’t understand why it took so long but it seems we are now doing the right thing by our youngsters.

    We should really be hearing about our coaching staff soon,I think along with PK and Eller this is the most important decision that MB and MT have to get sorted and quick and I think a new coach for the Bulldogs is reqired,the existing coach does not seem to be doing much.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      Absolutely agree with You about Lefevre hun. I think He is the weak-link in all the good stuff that has been put-in-place.

      I’m on the outside, as We all are, and Bergevin may know better than We what Lefevre has that most of Us have yet to recognize.

      Hamilton development is crucial to Our numerous prospects that look very promising. Lefevre, I hope, shows more than He did this past season.


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  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    Okay, the draft, July 1, now the prospects camp is over, we have a long wait to go until rookie camp. Our job now is to be patient and keep our expectations in check.

    Two years ago at this time, we were high-fiving each other on HIO, thinking how great our prospects pool was, how the Bulldogs would do well with that infusion of talent.

    Our closest to being ready players were Louis Leblanc and Blake Geoffrion. We’d picked up snipers that summer in Sebastian Collberg and Tim Bozon, to add their offensive talent to Danny Kristo’s in the near future. One of late-round ‘steals’ Daniel Prybil or Charles Hudon was bound to pan out. Alexander Avtsin was going to finally get his bearings and get going.

    With that much offensive talent on the forwards group, we couldn’t find room for everyone in our line combination projections.

    We were warned by a few grizzled HIO’ers to stay calm, they’d bring up the ghosts of Chipchura and Latendresse, but we wanted to get carried away, it was so much fun. Let’s see if we can keep a more even keel this time.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  23. Say Ash says:

    Has Timo called McCarron a bust yet?

    • wildwilly says:

      Yes, he has called him a bust. Apparently he’s too slow and has no talent.

      He’s also called for the GM and the entire coaching staff of the Habs and Bulldogs to be fired. The entire pool of prospects are duds and should be shipped out for future picks. Price, apparently, is overpaid and past his peak. Markov is too old and slow. Pleks is not a true top six centre and too small. They also need to be traded, possibly for an enforcer. In fact, for reasons too complicated for all other HIO readers to understand the entire team must flipped for future considerations.

      The 2014-2015 Canadiens will be Timo, Zenon Konopka, and 20 first round choices in the 2020 draft. Because Zenon has nobody to play with, he’s now bouncing at Chez Paree and Timo gets free table dances until 2020.

  24. JohnBellyful says:

    Well, it looks like the Habs GM will have to go with Plan B (really, does he have any other kind?) now that the Leafs have scooped up Marlies coach Steve Spott and former Florida Panthers head coach Peter Horachek as assistant coaches.
    See what happens, MB, when you dither and you dawdle (you end up reading this kind of twaddle).
    Okay, Big Guy, so what IS the plan now? Who’s it going to B?
    Ken Dryden?!!! Wow! What’s that? He has a good rapport with the Canadiens’ next captain, knows how to communicate, has won the Cup and individual awards, is an officer of the Order of Canada so he can lay down the law, and, according to Wikipedia, “teaches a Canadian Studies course entitled ‘Thinking the Future to Make the Future’, which focuses on issues facing Canada in the future and possible solutions to them,” which makes him a forward thinker (who knows something about how to stop goals as well).
    And he’s been itching to write a sequel to The Game but this time from a coach’s perspective?
    MB, you’re a genius.
    So what’s the hold-up, why haven’t you announced the hiring?
    Oh, Ken’s working on the news release. Gotcha.

  25. jrshabs1 says:

    Gomez was the catalyst for Gainey to go out and sign Gionta and Cammy. Sather is no rube, he got what he wanted. Say what you want about the trade, Gomez was a key cog in the 1st semi final run.

    Go Habs Go!!!!!

  26. AH says:

    If Lernout and Scherback are back in junior this year, it will be great, I’ll be able to check them out at the Oil Kings games.

    Go Argentina!, I hope Lionel goes all “Messi” on the Germans.

  27. PK says:

    After reading Sean Gordon’s comments in the Globe and Mail
    (and summarized by HiS), I am pleased to see that someone from the Habs organization is keeping an eye on these young adults/kids in terms of their development, training etc.

    I would think that other organizations in the NHL do this?

    And why did Gainey and his management team not stay in touch with McDonagh, evaluate and “develop” a first round talent? … just threw him in for “THE TRADE”

    Good to see that MB has good management skills .. “management” in the broader sense …..

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Strummer says:

      ” And why did Gainey and his management team not stay in touch with McDonagh, evaluate and “develop” a first round talent? … just threw him in for “THE TRADE”’

      Gainey and team obviously didn’t posses your acute 20/20 hindsight .

      Keep beating THAT dead horse!

      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

      • PK says:

        Not beating a dead horse, Strummer.
        Just demonstrating the “before” and “after”.
        Kinda like those weight loss commercials.

        Gainey: one of the best hockey players (according to Tikhonov) and us Fans, NHL establishment.
        … but not an astute manager (at least in terms of this trade).


        MB: so far so good.

        Oh, as I said yesterday … letting Chelios and Roy walk out of the Habs organization is also a sign of poor management, no?
        (and I know that those decisions were not on Gainey).

        Not flogging dead animals … just stating the unhappy facts.

        P.S. That trade was rubbed in our faces during the Habs-Rangers series, this spring …

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

        • ARMYHABFAN says:

          Y ou need to remember Gainey was also the one that traded Iggy to the Flames. They wanted Harvey but Gainey thought Harvey would end up being the better of the 2 players>>>H Did not see the talent in the player then either.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      I keep trying to forget about that trade but it’s hard.

  28. UKRAINIANhab says:

    One player I wish we got in the “Free Agent Frenzy” was Leo Komarov. I don’t believe he could fight, but he hits everything that moves and was pretty good on Finland this year. I think we are most likely set with out team and I am 100% ok with our roster. A little to much tweaking in my opinion (we made it to the third round and would have went further if Price was in IDC what anyone says). Looking forward to October!

    Go Argentina. : D

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Leo Komarov is exactly the kind of player who shouldn’t be in the NHL, like Raffi Torres or Jordin Tootoo. Crashers and bangers who have no other skill and who only are on a roster to hit others after they’ve passed the puck. Guy like that cause the dump and chase and fumbling hockey that we regularly see in the NHL.

      Besides, he was tainted, he’s an ex-Leaf. I’m glad they’re stuck with him and that three year contract.

  29. frozengolf says:

    Does anyone know if Brady Vail was re-drafted or signed as a FA anywhere? I mean the kid had 83 points in 67 games in the OHL, at 6’1″? I don’t get it. What am I missing?

    “We know that hockey is where we live, where we can best meet and overcome pain and wrong and death. Life is just a place where we spend time between games.”

    • Steven says:

      From what I’ve heard, he’s still a FA

      • Strummer says:

        As long as he’s a Sweet FA

        “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      He must have had “issues”. That’s all I can think of as it looked liked he was developing well.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      He was not re-drafted. As far as I know, Lukas Sutter was the only player who had to re-enter the draft to get picked, by the Islanders.

      Brady Vail’s agent was quoted as saying after the draft that he was confident an invite to a prospects camp would come, but I haven’t seen anything to that effect yet, don’t know if he has or will attend one.

  30. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Looking at these prospects is fine but it means nothing until they play a while in Hamilton. All the best players on the Habs played well in the AHL (Price, PK, Max, DD, Pleks, Eller, Gally, etc.). That being said, Sekac looks to have a good shot at a top 9 forward postion. Twenty-two with size, speed and pro experience…why not ? Maybe he will have some chemistry with Pleks. Anyway, thank God MB didn’t waste any cap space on scraps from the free agent pile. At least one kid should make the team every year.

    • kevin says:

      I’m not sure the quality of coaching in Hamilton is a benefit to our best prospects. The team seems to be decent defensively but totally lacking on offense.

      Possibly that’s a result of weak forwards on the team, but that’s a development team. We have next to nothing down there for forward call-ups. in my opnion



    Dubinsky’s Contract is around the same as most 2nd line centers are getting and he’s not a bad player, with good wingers he can put up 50+ points a year.

  32. HabFab says:

    Berkie gives his observations on the various prospects at the Prospect Camp over at EOTP.

  33. JohnBellyful says:

    I’ve been reading so many glowing reports about the prospects in camp that I’m beginning to think Montreal won’t have to draft any players next year.

  34. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Sean Gordon;

    Martin Lapointe. This is the third summer on the job for the former Detroit Red Wing, who also worked in the Chicago Blackhawks’ front office. Both organizations are renowned for nurturing talent, and one of the things Bergevin was intent on doing when he picked up the reins was to bolster that area.

    Enter Lapointe and former Habs defenceman Patrice Brisebois. Their jobs involve teaching, cajoling and maybe the odd threat; Lapointe is a stickler for goal-setting, and works on both the micro and macro levels.

    “I go straight to the point and say ‘This is how you become a pro, this is how you have to do it, there’s not 15,000 ways to train, eat,’” said the 40-year-old, who is still based in Chicago.

    That doesn’t mean he isn’t racking up the airline and hotel loyalty points.

    Lapointe estimates he spends eight days a month in Hamilton, working with the AHL’s Bulldogs, and that he made one or more personal visits to roughly 20 junior and college prospects last season. He’s also in constant touch via e-mail and text message– “I would probably get one every couple of days, if not every day,” said the 20-year-old Hudon.

    All junior-aged players are bombarded with advice – from coaches, parents, scouts, teammates – and drafted prospects also have to contend with agents and their NHL teams. At the same time, Hudon says the advice offered by Lapointe and Brisebois – mostly about positioning, defensive awareness, and playing efficiently – was a big help.

    As the 2012 fifth-round pick said, “It’s good to feel a hand on your shoulder.”

    • kevin says:

      I think we have a great management team and finally we’re moving away from the “Old Boys Club” That never worked. Since Sam Pollack retired, we’ve basically floundered. yes, we won two cups since, but that was ………….let’s say destiny, we weren’t the best team at the time, but then again, the best team doesn’t always win the SC.

      I guess my point is, we have a team management approach to assessing talent and we have some brilliant minds on that team and I’m happy about that.


      • JF says:

        I agree. When Geoff Molson was choosing his GM two years ago, I read about all the candidates and was hoping and praying he’d choose Marc Bergevin. I loved everything I read about him. I thought he’d be a great GM, and so far he hasn’t disappointed me. He’s put together an excellent team.

        • kevin says:

          Hopefully as good as Sam Pollack was but I expect better.


          • HardHabits says:

            Was Pollack that good or was everybody else just bad? Today there are many hockey minds and pretty good is not enough any more.

          • kevin says:

            I don’t know, nobody really knows in hindsight, but you do have a point. There were six, then seven expansion teams he could could take advantage of. Back then, I’m sure those team’s management just wanted to get bums in seats. You’re likely right.


        • Loop_Garoo says:

          I was the same way, Bergevin was the guy I was hoping they would hire from the very beginning. I love the way he is building a structure for success in the long term.

  35. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Sean Gordon,Globe and Mail;

    ‘Of the 50 players invited to the Habs’ suburban practice facility this week, only 10 are under six feet (and four of those players are listed at 5 foot 11). All of the 17 defencemen in camp are six feet or taller, and only four are lighter than the NHL average weight of 203.1 pounds’


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  36. 24 Cups says:

    I’ve been out all day and just arrived home to hear about the Dubinsky contract.

    Only one word for it – insanity. That coin, term and a no movement clause for a 2nd line centre?

    24 Cups

    • Paz says:

      Why is Dubinsky’s contract bad,

      I like Dubinsky. I like his size. I like his edge.

      His 50 points last year look real good as a 2nd line center.

      • eric says:

        5.85 mil for 50 pts.???????

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Yeah…this is what happens when you have 30 teams in a league. you get a salary cap and get to watch not elite talent for hundreds of dollars per seat. Nothing like dropping a grand to take the family to a hockey game.

          I won’t do it anymore. I watch ahl and Jr live and nhl on tv.

          The contracts also sky rocket cause the TV Contracts where the flames get bled for money. 30 dollars a month for the sports pick in Ontario. Seems legit.

          I am doing hockey streams a shot next year.

        • Paz says:

          50 points is a solid NHL season. He brings a ton of energy, and leadership.

          Nothing wrong with paying players what they deserve.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I hear you Ed, I think Dubinsky is a very good core player, I am starting to just get to the point where I don’t care who makes what. It is our GM’s job to juggle how to get the talent needed to win. I think we all get too hung up on the specific dollars, some players will be underpaid by todays NHL standards, some will be overpaid. If the GM makes his team a winner, who cares how the pie is split.

        Seems to me Columbus need Dubinsky, and this is what it took. The key is for a GM to know when to say, no I don’t you that bad, ie. Gionta.

        • Paz says:

          Agree with you. GM needs to identify the “value” and then go ahead and keep that player.
          Plekanec was signed for 30 million, 5 million per, 3 years ago!
          Dubinsky is a similar player but he plays much bigger.

          • UKRAINIANhab says:

            Would you rather have dubinsky on your team than pleks? You seem set on Dubinsky who only had 7 more pts than plekanec.

  37. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Josiah Didier will be My favourite name in hockey if He ever makes the Team …but didn’t expect to see His name on a scoresheet much, so My eyes brighten seeing He scored 2 goals

    Impressed by Koberstein’s foot speed, looks like a stud

    McCarron is massive, looking massive and more confident with the puck, but seems to still need to physically grow into His body.

    Sekak and de la Rose look like They are close, likely starting-off in Hamilton.

    For certain, physically, We have sized-up …the question, short-term, will We replace the leadership and character of Gionta and Gorges to repeat Our over-achieving this past season ?

    Overall, as it is every summer, things look very promising going forwards.

  38. Hobie says:

    We’ve all been talking about patience around here for a good 2-3 years now. After this draft we can now finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. The nucleolus is now in place.

    We’ve got Price, Pacioretty, Subban, Galchenyuk and Gallagher already in play. Galchenyuk is only starting to crack the shell on what should be a very good career.

    We have Beaulieu, Tinordi and hopefully Pateryn now getting their feet wet. A lot of us have been agonizing for time to pass so this day would come :-).

    And then we have De La Rose, McCarron, Crisp, Scherbak and Lernout progressing in junior and the minors.

    IMO those players have the largest probability to be the core of this team four years down the road. And it looks like it will be one hell of a well balanced core.

    There are other players in the mix for sure but the above mentioned all have different and important roles to play.

    We still need to be patient before we’re the cream of the crop but should still be a good team as they all enter the fray.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would also throw in Dietz, Bennett, Didier, Sekac, and though he had that terrible illness and setback, Bozon!


      • Hobie says:

        Yes, IMO, those are the 2nd tier prospects or players that can be traded for or acquired via free agency. They are interchangeable basically.

        The guys I mentioned above will all play big roles in specific areas. The above is my A list. :-).

        • Ncognito says:

          My A list also includes Eller and Emelin. Eller is still young enough and better than any of the prospects at centre. Emelin doesn’t get enough credit. He seems to finally be given chance to play the left side so his take outs and hits will be huge this year.

      • ooder says:

        some good news on the bozon front.. the kid is working out and practicing again and wants to be at training camp

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:


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  41. JohnBellyful says:

    Can’t imagine the Cleveland fans will welcome James back after he treated them so cavalierly.

  42. adamkennelly says:

    if anyone has been paying more attention to this camp than I have – who has stood out? any studs out there? any surprises/disappointments?

    who can we expect to compete for a spot on the big Habs?

  43. B says:

    Callahan gets 6x$5.8M from Tampa then his former Ranger team mate Dubinsky gets extended at 6x$5.85M by Columbus. Speaking of the Rangers, they have about $14M in cap space left and still need to sign RFAs Zuccarello, Brassard and Kreider who were 3 of their top 7 point guys last season. All three are scheduled for arbitration, I wonder what the final total for those 3 will be? Brassard cost $3.7M last season.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  44. on2ndthought says:

    I’m looking forward to a good competition for winger spot at training camp, and to a year of seeing Emelin (most of the time) on his right (err… left) side. Whether he’s second pairing with Gilbert or third pairing with Weaver, or if Pateryn slips into the mix, I think we will be pleased to see his skating (that first defensive turn is much easier on your proper side) and hitting improve (the timing of the inside out crease clearing hit is harder to manage on your off wing). I expect Emelin to look like a $4M dollar D.

    “a cannonading drive”


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  46. Un Canadien errant says:

    Trevor Timmins running down the team’s 2014 draft class on HabsTV.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  47. HardHabits says:

    This is a reply for Norm AKA UCe in regards to the article about McCarron et al.

    I think that Edmonton rushed their young guns, and really have no direction or idea what they are trying to build and essentially are wasting those assets as they are perennial tankers. That is not a blue print to follow.

    What I really like (something missing in the past regime) is the way the Habs now are paying attention to, communicating with and even visiting their prospects. That is huge for confidence building. Not to mention that they are also focusing on building on these young player’s strengths in order to establish that confidence and self belief.

    This is truly a team concept and identity that is being forged, one that is being nurtured from within, rather than looking towards the past. It’s a youth movement and not a pandering to the UFA veteran establishment. It’s why Bergevin was able to readily opine that the team might take a step back before taking those crucial steps forward to maturing or rather, attaining elite status and actually becoming a Championship team as opposed to merely a contender.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’ve beaten that drum since I joined.

      I was flabbergasted to find that the Canadiens for a long while didn’t have a dedicated Québec scout. Now they have two in Serge Boisvert and Donald Audette.

      Another shocking story was Ryan McDonagh’s sad tale, when he described that prior to the trade, he was packing and getting ready to attend prospects camp, and was looking forward to it, since he “hadn’t spoken to anyone from the team in a while”. I was floored that the Canadiens, with all their resources, didn’t have at least one person give the guy a phone call once in a while and keep tabs on him.


      I don’t know how NHL organizations work, but in general that is a horrible thing to hear from one of your prospects. We should have people dedicated to staying in touch with our draftees, giving them any kind of support they need. The strength and conditioning coaches should have one or two people assigned to these guys and make regular contact with them, by phone or occasionally, regularly, in person. There are players out there who are ‘can’t miss’ or who have the drive and support with their home team (Brendan Gallagher) that won’t need this, but I believe most kids would benefit from this close attention. Mr. McDonough would have.

      My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

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  49. bwoar says:

    So does anyone here want to hear (and watch) a really awesome instrumental tune with classical instruments and nary a guitar in site? Of course you do. This is my favorite thing right now:

    Alamaailman Vasarat – Tujuhuju

  50. B says:

    Team A:
    Scherbak Hudon McCarron
    Holland MacMillan Thomas
    Nevins Highmore McNally
    Momesso Goulet Corson

    Wardley Didier
    Federico Makowski
    Bobyk Ellis

    Fucale Motte

    Team B:
    de la Rose Audette Sekac
    Sorkin Andrighetto Grégoire
    Szmatula Anas Padakin
    Imama Ranger Schmalz

    Bennett Koberstein
    Crevier-Morin Lernout
    Curcuruto Muto

    Hawkey Papirny

    Not Skating:
    Carr, Crisp, Thrower, Dietz, Fournier, Lehkonen, Gadoury, Traccitto, Beaulieu Condon

    –Go Habs Go!–

  51. HardHabits says:

    I confess that I get a real kick out of stirring the pot in my own special little HH way. But really, it’s because you guys (and gals) crack me up.

  52. B says:

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  53. DipsyDoodler says:

    I think I might have found a loophole in the NHL rules that would guarantee us the cup.

    Moving. Forward.

  54. sweetmad says:

    Any one heard the date for PK’s arbitraton hearing,Rhiemers is the 20th,why haven’t we heard what PKs is ,although I am praying to the hockey gods it doesn’t come to that,I think it will not be a good thing,if it does,just want to know he is signed.I don’t think MB could let it go all the way,we need PK for a long time.

  55. eric says:

    Offer PK 7.6 mil a year for 8 years. Can’t sign him for 7.6 yrs so 8. That’s a little over 60 mil.

  56. habs001 says:

    Where would the Habs be ranked in prospects vs the other 29 teams?
    It seems to me the Habs do well in quantity of prospects based on posts of posters who are familiar with the Hab prospects..In top end elite potential it seems other teams have better prospects..So many glowing reports on so many of the the Habs prospects which sounds great and hopefully it is not just biased or would we have the same opinions on the majority of the other teams prospects if they were Habs?

    • krob1000 says:

      I think the Habs have a lot of prospects who are already players so it is deceiving. On tema right ow Hbs have
      Price (top 5 pick)
      Subban(in redraft would be top 3 pick)
      Patch-in re draft would be top 5 pick
      Galchenyuk-top 3 pick who many thought should be number 1
      Gallagher-5th rd pick who in redraft would be 1st rounder
      Eller-Was a first rounder
      Beaulieu-First rounder I think who will flourish from here on in
      De La Rose-2nd rd pick who many say should have gone 1st rd
      Tinordi-1st rd pick
      Mccarron-1st rd pick
      Scherbak-1st rd pick
      Sekac-Undrafted kid who 15 teams wanted to sign..equivalent of late `1st rd pick I would figure

      When I consider none of these guys are even 27 (age many view as a hockey players prime)….this is quite an impressive list)
      There are many other prospects who in a redraft would go several rounds ahead of where they were selected as well…ie Hudon, Gregoire,etc
      Then I look at the amount of toughenss beign collected…..
      It all adds up to several years of a very affordabel core if MB can mangae to continue to give bridge contracts…several very good years ahead.

      • habs001 says:

        Lots of potential for the next few years…

        • krob1000 says:

          and should be very cap friendly as they are being allowed to develop a bit longer in most cases…so you are getting entry level development cost, bridge contract porduction and then they get their payday…but all the while team is far more competitive…..great job by MB in terms of realizing that importance in a cap era.

          • habs001 says:

            In todays NHL this is what you want..Fans should be satisfied if the organization puts out most years a competitive playoff team that has a chance at winning the big prize…As i said before no guarantees in todays era that a team will win the cup and there will be many clubs who will not win the cup in the next 75 years…Fans should be happy if the Habs are competive most years and make the playoffs and you never know what can happen but they also have to accept the possibility that there is no cup wins for many decades…

  57. habstrinifan says:

    NOT HOCKEY! NOT SPORTS! Cool compilation? I think so.

    Has anyone of you been thru any of them.

    Also what would be your anxiety level just seconds before entering the underwater section.
    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

  58. Un Canadien errant says:

    Katie Baker’s “Bake Shop” is open.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      On the return of the World Cup of Hockey (it should still be called the Canada Cup):

      But there are bound to be issues. Having international competition during what is essentially the preseason seems like a recipe for a lot of season-ending surgeries, for one thing. But whenever the question is “What does Bettman know that we don’t?” the first answer is always “Where the bodies are buried” and the second is always “$$$.”

  59. krob1000 says:

    Lebron career summed up…
    Dominate NBA for several years alone in hometown and never get over hump, realize uphill battle as team never bad enough to improve and not good enough to win

    Sign in Miami, bring all star friend for 4 years…make tons of money, hang out on beach, win 2 rings(while this is happening it allows hometown team to suck and acquire other top end talent to go home to later)
    Return home wearing your rings to max cap contract, kiss make up and join new team now stocked with top end draft picks and win several more rings…and live happily ever after

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      From a purely strategic standpoint, excellent plan.

    • mrhabby says:

      he has earned the right to play where he wants..

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Never looked at it that way, or at least never thought that both sides were smart enough to plan that, but you never know.

      The Prodigal Son indeed has returned, Andrew Wiggins has much less pressure on him now. Trying to come up with a nickname though, Lebron and the Snowbirds?

      There are 3 Canadians on that Cavaliers roster I believe.

      • krob1000 says:

        When you consider the infamous letter, the dramtic press conference,etc…it seemed almost sideshowish…but if you look at it from a well thought out plan perspective….what better way to do it…and Cleve now has 5 top 5 draft picks to contend with…not too shabby. Those guys could never have been acquired without Lebron leaving…..I have a tendancey to look at things a little wonky as you well know but when you remove all of the finer details and just look at the basic facts and results of what has happened….sure looks like one hell of a magnifcent, brilliant and masterfully orchestrated plan in which Lebron, The Cavs owner, the City of Cleveland…all win…Miami didn’t make out too badly either…4 finals and 2 championships…so who exactly lost in this deal? only the Raptors but even that is debatable…I think they are better without Bosh….so like I said…everyone lives happily ever after.

      • krob1000 says:

        Les Caveliers de Cleveland
        The CanAm express
        The King Can Cavaleirs

  60. HardHabits says:

    HIO 2014: Summer Edition

    Who will be captain?
    How much will PK sign for?
    Where’s the muscle?
    Has Stubbs found an apartment in the Niagara region?

    • Luke says:

      Habs #1 Line Opening night:

      Kane – Toews – Kane

      Do it MB!

      • krob1000 says:

        wrong spot

        • Luke says:

          It wasn’t.
          Evil after the fact edit.

          But if Stubbs is moving to Niagara, I can show him a few spots…

          • krob1000 says:

            lol…I meant mine was in wrong spot..I had double posted…put my response below here and then realized I was replying in wrong spot!

          • HardHabits says:


            HIO (Hypothetically Irrelevant Opinions) 2014: Summer Edition

            Play Internet GM and make all the line combos and trades your heart desires. You too can build a Stanley Cup champion in just one summer of signings and miracle manoeuvres. Step aside Marc Bergevin… there’s a few new kids on the block that know how to get it done. What are you waiting for MB? Do it now!!!!

            Better? 😀

      • Habbergasted says:

        I’d swap the wingers.

    • krob1000 says:

      1.Subban-half way through year (start year with no captain)
      2.6.5 in my imagination, 7.75 in my hopeful reality
      3.same place as the beef
      4. nope but he was seen toting around a Josh Gorges poster

  61. krob1000 says:

    Lebron to Cleveland official

  62. Rad says:

    The Lernout kid is going to be a monster. Great upper and lower body strength already, as an 18 yr. old. I guess he turned some heads at the Combine. Someone tweeted from Camp the other day that Brett looked agile and pretty quick on his skates for a big man. I look forward to seeing how his game develops over the next 2 to 3 years. Could be a diamond in the rough.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think the reason he was not expected to go very high in the draft is he does not seem to have any offensive upside, which is fine, as many great defenders don’t.

  63. Un Canadien errant says:

    So Johnny Manziel won’t need to be the big story all the time now in Cleveland.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  64. Un Canadien errant says:

    Team A in the scrimmage today has a line of Momesso-Goulet-Corson. That would have been a hell of a line in the 80’s.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

  65. HardHabits says:

    Habs adding Heft

    This article should get the stats nerds up in arms.

    It’s nice to see the Habs put an emphasis on development. Draft picks are worthless unless they are developed properly and there is a team concept involved in that selection and development process.

    Building from within is the most assured way of stock piling assets. These are pieces that can be used as depth and/or trade bait. This is value added processing. Converting raw material into a finished product. The end result a contender moving forward.

    • Luke says:


      That article has nothing to do with stats at all.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      What I like is that the team now has a consistent, coordinated approach to drafting and development. As much as we hate the Bruins, their organization has done a good job of identifying what it wanted to accomplish as a team, and then going out and getting the players that mesh with that team concept.

      Same with the Red Wings. They’re not trying to be everything all at once, they’ve played to their strengths, which is drafting, skewing towards Europeans in the later rounds, putting all their kids in a lengthy AHL stint before they’re graduated. They’re a skill team, they don’t goon, and they have clear leaders at the top of the hierarchy who run the team.

      Marc Bergevin’s team seems to have a clear idea of what they want their team to look like, they have a goal in mind, and they’re working to that goal in concert.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        This is why i like the Gorges trade. It gives the youth more of a chance, and it took care of what might have been a cap problem 3 years down the road. It showed he’s looking to the future.

        I think MB learned a lesson last year with the Briere signing. It looks like he’s taking a different approach this year.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Yeah, liked Josh, the person, but the trade took care of so many issues:

          – reduces salary mass of team
          – rids us of a problematic long-term deal
          – cleared one of too many lefties on blue line
          – allows Alexei Emelin to switch over to his preferred left side, which will mean he’ll play better, hit more, be more comfortable passing the puck
          – allows room for growth and development of Jarred and Nathan
          – better balance on the ice (probable lineup with three LD, three RD)
          – better allocation of dollars on team, instead of two #5 defencemen earning $4M.

  66. Paz says:

    Here is my problem with naming Plekanec captain; he will not be on the ice in many key situations.

    1) we need to win a key face off, Eller and Malhotra will be counted on as they are much better at face offs than Plekanec

    2) we need a key goal, Desharnais will be out there with Pacioretty

    3) we have a key power play, expect Desharnais there

    So how then can Plekanec be the true “leader” of this team from the bench?

    I think Markov will be out there in all situations, but he is too shy and has refused the captain’s position in the past.

    In my mind, ideally, the captain is on the ice when the game is on the line, and he LEADS the team to victories.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      he (Plekanec) will not be on the ice in many key situations.

      Did the Habs get a new coach?

      Pleks was on the ice in plenty of key situations last year, particularly in the playoffs. He’s the guy wearing #14. 😉

      • Paz says:

        Are you addressing my specific concerns? I can’t tell.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Oz, I know you are big fan of Plex, and yes he is out in some important situations but the specific points Ed is making are somewhat valid. I am not 100% sure on all of them, but I see the point Ed is making.

        I think my question to Ed is, Plex is and still will be one of the top minute forwards on the Habs, isn’t that still showing leadership? Brian Skrudland was a great captain, he didn’t play powerplay, or for big goals etc…. didn’t see people questioning him, Carbo and Gainey the same.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          Pleks took most of the key defensive draws last season, so point #1 is not valid unless you assume something’s going to change.

          Points #2 and 3 might be true, but aren’t important factors when picking a captain. Gainey, Carbo, Keane, Gio… these guys weren’t out there on the PP or when a goal was needed.

          Saying that he can’t be captain from the bench is also a bit ridiculous considering he was the center with the most ice time last season.

          I agree with Dipsy and Krob. Overall, the whole argument doesn’t makes sense at all.

    • shiram says:

      No one’s going to be on the ice for all the key situations, that’s why there A’s out there too.

      I think Therrien will keep sending Pleks out for key faceoffs, he surely did last season, and I don’t see why this would change.

      Pleks will most likely play the second PP wave, and most likely first PK wave too.

      And Captain are chosen for their qualities of hard working, professionalism and setting an example with work ethics.

    • krob1000 says:

      I would consider it a key situation every time the oppositions best line is on the ice…and Pleks will be there. Pk duty …Pleks is there. Despite Malhotra being added…for years it has been Pleks who takes those draws. Pleks IMO is better than Dd on the pp as well…but he is more valuable to team in matchups and PK. When Pleks was a pp fixture team was consistently top 3 in the league. Plekanec is a guy who just play sthe game the right way…he does the little things as well as gets points…he is like Markov but the forward version (now Markov is vulnerabel defensively but he enver used to be). IMO after Pleks Eller is most complete forward on team….it pais me to think team may trade one of them.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      That’s an odd concern, especially as Plekanec has led all forwards in time on ice per game in each of the last four years (regular season and playoffs).

      If being the leader in time on ice among forwards still doesn’t put you on the ice enough to be captain, then you are arguing essentially that only a defenceman can be captain.

      Also your point #1 is manifestly wrong. The only real issue is that Plex isn’t the number one on the power play, which clearly doesn’t disqualify him as captain. Dustin Brown in LA is the 7th most used forward on his team.

      Moving. Forward.

  67. Ian Cobb says:


    See you HIO fellas at noon Wednesday for lunch in Kingston!
    I will be signing autographs and hockey paraphernalia for 1 hour only afterwords..

  68. stephen says:

    Thanks to Stubbs for an enjoyable read on the Lernout youngster. I relish the idea of the Habs one day having a defenceman that everyone hates to play against.

    Lernout mentioned Pronger in that respect and it’s hard to argue with that referent. He might not develop the same offensive abilities as Pronger possessed, but if he can even bring a fraction of that ‘nasty’ factor to his game, I’d be pleased.

    • New says:

      Stubbs did write a very nice article didn’t he. Then again I am a sucker for stories about this or that young man who wants to listen to the coaches, work hard on the skills, and get better.

  69. sirs81 says:

    Go little Habies Go

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