Fans pack Bell Centre for open-house practice

The Canadiens held their annual open-door practice Sunday at the Bell Centre with about 17,000 fans attending.

The event featured a Novice A game between the St-Laurent Sonics and LaSalle Jaguars (won 2-0 by LaSalle); a novelty contest between teams captained by Canadiens’ Daniel Brière and Michaël Bournival, featuring giant pucks and cardboard cut-out players being pushed by contestants; a celebrity challenge for speed, shooting accuracy and shootout style; and mascot Youppi!

The morning ended with a 45-minute Canadiens “practice,” in effect the same rush drills done on a game-day morning skate and a brief shootout display dominated by P.K. Subban.

The Canadiens will be back in action Monday night when the Florida Panthers visit the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

(Photo by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)

Bell Centre packed for light-hearted practice, by Dave Stubbs

Open House,

Subban walks a fine line on officiating, by Pat Hickey

Bell Centre bat finally caught, by Brenda Branswell

Habs vs. Panthers preview,


  1. shiram says:

    More rumour fodder from the Ottawa Sun this time :


    Montreal GM Marc Bergevin has been shopping for forward depth for the playoffs. One player he may have looked at is Calgary left wing Curtis Glencross, who has two years left at $2.55 million per-season. You have to think at some point the Flames are going to revisit Glencross and see if he’s willing to accept a deal. The Habs are looking to move centre Daniel Briere because he hasn’t been playing well under coach Michel Therrien and was scratched Thursday in Dallas. Briere won’t go just anywhere … The Coyotes will be looking for forward depth. The guy they may have targeted: Sabres winger Matt Moulson.”

    • Habfan17 says:

      Pretty much the same thing we have been hearing for about a month, Bergevin is looking for a top 6 forward than can score.

      I am surprised Ekland hasn’t updated his Habs rumour since he posted that the would make a trade by this past weekend.

      I guess MB forgot to check in with Ekland


  2. DipsyDoodler says:

    Dear Commentariat:

    Any New Years Resolutions to share?

    Mine were to walk more and eat less meat. Unfortunately I bought a week’s worth of meals at La Maison du Roti (if you live in Mtl check it out) last Friday, and the freezing rain made walking to work suboptimal today.

    So that only leaves grow weed instead of tomatoes this summer.

    • Mattyleg says:


      Maison du Roti was a regular haunt of mine when I lived on the Plateau.

      As for resolutions, it’s to read more books and spend less time on the Internet (in my spare time, not at work!)

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Cal says:

      I have resolved to be an even bigger a-hole than in 2013. Thus far, I have gained about 5 lbs, so my resolve hasn’t dissolved. 😉

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    I would much rather see Team Canada take Taylor Hall over Rick Nash. Hall’s numbers per season are trending upwards while Nash’s are beginning to go the other way. Also, Nash is coming off another concussion and in watching a few Rangers games lately he is playing even more on the peripharery in my opinion.

    Taylor Hall has speed to burn and plays with reckless abandon. In a short tournament on big ice, he could be a game breaker. He plays on perhaps the worst defensive team in the entire NHL, no doubt his plus/minus numbers will not be good.

  4. Mattyleg says:

    “You Might Also Like” has a doozy: ‘Playoff Race Tightens’ with a photo of Darche yawning.

    In the words of the Tragically Hip, “He could have been yawning or snarling… the story was never clear.”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  5. Habfan17 says:

    In all fairness to the Refs, I don’t think it is entirely their fault. Yes, they are human and miss things. However, I believe it is the direction they get from the league that causes the changes in what constitutes a penalty depending on the time of year, time of game, etc.

    The rules are there in black and white and should just be applied as written. I think the NHL should adopt the same rule they used at the world juniors, you hit a player in the head and it is an automatic penalty and a game misconduct. I think that would be a start to cut down on some of the bull crap on the ice.

    You will still have fast whistles when a puck is “frozen” but at least if a hook is the same in the first minute of the first game of the season and again in game 7 of the Stanley Cup final, it would make a big difference!


  6. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I think the Habs have used PK in the shootout once or twice, but he seems like he has some great instincts in it. Or is it just razzle dazzle moves that wouldn’t work in a real game?

    I think it’s worth giving him a shot. Eller and DD have been great, but there hasn’t been a consistent third shooter.

  7. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ TIMO

    Diaz makes Team Switzerland
    Does that mean he plays tonight?

  8. Mattyleg says:

    Get yer money ready folks!

    I’m heading to the game tonight, so put yer dolla billzz on Florida!

    I’ve got a 1-5 record so far, along with all three home shutouts!
    In 6 games, I’ve seen 6 goals! And I saw the 4-2 win over the Isles.

    For those watching at home, tonight might be a good time to oil those squeaky doors or paint those cabinets you’ve been putting off.

    This game comes to me courtesy of the HI/O Summit Raffle, so I’ll be thinking about you all while I’m there in the Club Desjardins, drowning my sure-to-be-sorrows in free hot-dogs and smoked meat sandwiches.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  9. Sportfan says:

    First day back at school, I have a break so I decide to sit in a class and see if its worth taking. Teacher doesn’t show up, to make matters worse according to her outline it says tuesday-thursday, when in reality its Monday-Wednesday it was sad and funny at the same time.

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  10. DipsyDoodler says:

    Loop_Garoo –

    I agree that it is almost impossible that refs are involved in a conspiracy.

    But what there is however is very poor officiating at all levels, from the calls on the ice to Shanahan’s laughable discipline committee. The decision-making is both inconsistent and plainly incorrect much of the time. Then there is the long standing tradition of changing the refereeing based on the current circumstances (playoffs or not, 1st or 3rd period, close game or not, etc …).

    These factors give the appearance of conspiracy, because they are not just the result of mere incompetence.

    The poor refereeing stems from the general disrespect of the NHL for the game as a sport. The lawyers who run the league do not see themselves a stewards of the game, but as salesmen whose job is to maximize revenue. They do not run hockey as a sport, with rules, but as an entertainment where the goal is to extract money from rubes.

    This disrespect manifests itself in many ways, from $11 beer at the arenas, to Saturday afternoon games for Canadian teams in the playoffs, to daily head injuries (and the lie that “we’re doing everything we can to eliminate them”), to the joke refereeing.

    The goal of the refs shouldn’t be to help the show (e.g. not calling a pen on a team that is 2-1 down in the 3rd period). Their goal is to enforce the rules in order to achieve a fair outcome. The goal of the disciplinary committee shouldn’t be not to hurt teams’ title hopes or players’ income, but to ensure player safety and a clean sport.

    This is what they do in the NFL for example. Pass interference is pass interference no matter what the score or the amount of time left in the game.

  11. Phil C says:

    Just looked at TSN’s projected Team Canada roster, surprised that Taylor Hall is not even getting a sniff. His game seems ideal for the big ice and one of the few players who could skate with Crosby.

    • arcosenate says:

      How about Taylor Hall, Jordan Eberle and Tyler Seguin on a line?

      All good skaters and all great offensively, and Eberle is awesome on the big ice.

      Right, never happen, maybe next Olympics.

    • Maritime Ronn says:


      38 games-16 goals/41 points, but what may hurt him is the big fat Minus -12.

      • arcosenate says:

        I know, but I really didn’t enjoy the Juniors not being creative enough to score enough and I have sat through some seriously scoring challenged teams at the Olympics.

        I think sometimes you really have to let players do what they do best, and those three guys are young, talented and would make a difference offensively.

        And they would get some experience for the next Olympics.

        The minus doesn’t bother me, Edmonton sucks, their goaltending and defence suck, that’s going to be a problem in the plus-minus department.

      • Eddie says:

        Plus minus is very much a function of the team you’re on.

      • Phil C says:

        I wonder how his plus minus would be if he played with Thornton in San Jose like Couture, who seems to be a lock despite not being as fast as Hall.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      The consensus seems to be if Stamkos plays 1 game, he’ll be going. Should that be enough considering Canada’s depth?

      Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

      • Habfan17 says:

        NO! Let someone who has been playing go. Only players who are 100% should go. Look at Luongo, now he is out again. Do you want to risk taking him?


      • Phil C says:

        With goal scoring being so important in a short tournament, I can see why they would want Stamkos, he may be the best natural scorer in the league, along with Ovechkin.

    • John Q Public says:

      Does it really matter ?
      We are going to lose anyway.
      My bet is Russia seeing as everything seems to be fixed.

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    Reffing is always going to be a contentious issue, and while I think the NHL may have more “issues” than other sports it is in other sports as well. Human error will always occur, just as the players make bad decisions with the puck, referees can make poor decisions as well.

    Having said all that, it is imperative that the NHL and its Officiating dept. must be consistent and clear with what the officials are to be calling. This is where it appears the NHL sets itself up for failure.

    It is beyond apparent that as the NHL season goes on towards the playoffs, the guidelines for calls gets more and more foggy. Then as the playoffs begin, the rulebook used is at best vaguely familiar with what was used in preseason and early in the regular season.

    So long as the owners/GM’s endorse this, the referees will have zero guidance to enforce the rulebook with any consistency. Sure some seem worse than others and probably are, but the league sets itself up for failure each and every year when the playoffs begin and the refs become important for only icing calls, too many men and telling us when a puck is illegally dumped over the glass and delay of game is called.

    • Cal says:

      Reffing has always been poor simply because the NHL front office are a bunch of ignorant clowns. The problem is, as the game grows, with more and more new fans the message is unclear as to exactly what is illegal and what isn’t. Even Shamahan can’t get it right, what with all the interference from Daddy Campbell.

      The rules are simple enough. Call what you see and don’t worry about the “flow” of the game. A ref’s job is to call penalties, not shut his eyes to them.

    • Phil C says:

      Why the hell are they calling offsides in the third period? The linesmen are determining the outcome of the game, not the players!!! It’s just bullcrap! Let the players decide, the linesmen should put away their whistles in the third period.

      • kalevine says:

        why even use the linesman in the 3rd?

        • Phil C says:

          Exactly! They are ruining the flow of the game.

          Oh wait, they need someone to stop a fight if the players take off their helmets, we wouldn’t want them hurting their heads after all.

          • kalevine says:

            I think each team should designate their healthy scratches to fairly ref/linesman the games. It couldn’t be any worse, but could you imagine the fights that would break out among officials?

        • boing007 says:

          Let’s go back to one ref and one linesman. There’s too much obstruction going on and it’s not coming from the players.

          Richard R

  13. Marcusman says:

    My boys got a playstation 3 for xmas from Grandma, we’ve had nothing but fun with the NHL ’14.

    Here’s what gets me …..when my 11 yr old started his season as the Habs the very 1st free agent he signed was Jagr.

    Have any idea how good “Jagr 68″ looks on the back of the Canadiens jersey? 6′ 3″ 240lbs…8th overall NHL points leader…..2 Million a yr…nah….we don;t need him….no we need 5′ 9” 3 time concussed…800 pts total at he double the price….ya that’s the ticket!

    Maybe our GM needs to spend more time being the GM instead of doing car commercials. =

  14. Mattyleg says:

    So the US is experiencing a “POLAR VORTEX”

    …up here in Canada, we just call it ‘Winter’.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • adamkennelly says:

      polar vortex…school cancelled here in KC because its -10F – can’t have the kids waiting for the bus in that cold…

      I wonder what genius lines MT is gonna come up with for the game tonight…who sits on D?

  15. stephen says:

    Looks like TVA has found their play-by-play man. A familiar face to anyone who regularly watches RDS.

  16. Sportfan says:

    Winter break is really short.

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  17. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Jim Habfan10912

    Below you mentioned
    “….And if you don’t think PK doesn’t get his unfair share of these bad calls your not watching the same games as me.
    Yes Jim, over the years, PK has had some tough ones called against him, yet what about the blatant ones that were not called against Subban?

    In the long run, things usually even themselves out.

    Surely we would agree that a Slewfoot is one of the most dangerous plays in hockey.

    Without looking very hard, here are only 2 P.K. Subban Slewfoots that went…unpenalized

    Subban Slewfoot on Dubinski with a bonus high stick on Mark Staal

    Subban Slewfoot on Chris Kunitz also no penalty

    • TMan1969 says:

      The point of my disagreement is not that if PK has done anything that has not been penalized…but why with 18 sec left, on a nothing play…at least for me that’s the question. I know PK does things that should be penalized as does Crosby…Kunitz…and every other player.

      Do not scorn a weak cub. He may become the brutal tiger.

      Mongolian Proverb

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        The timing was bad, but it was more than a nothing play.
        The puck was loose right in front of Carey
        You will be able to see that very clearly at the 42-44 second mark of the video.

      • Mustang says:

        The following was taken from Cal’s post just above.

        The rules are simple enough. Call what you see and don’t worry about the “flow” of the game. A ref’s job is to call penalties, not shut his eyes to them.

        I agree with Cal, if it is a penalty, call it no matter how if effects the game. The problem we see far too often in the NHL is the inconsistency in what is called.

  18. Phil C says:

    Refs should just be calling the penalties regardless of the player or the game situation. The concept that something is a penalty in the first period and not a penalty in the third penalty is flawed and will always lead to inconsistent reffing. It is an impossible standard to maintain.

    The refs should just be whistle monkeys and call everything they see, regardless of game situation. Calling penalties in a split second is hard enough without having to consider things like game situation or the player’s history. Video could be used to reduce embellishment/diving. The NFL and the NBA are not perfect, but they call the game more consistently for the most part.

    To me, the concept of “letting them play” is another example of how the NHL is still bush league at it’s core despite growing to a $5B/year professional sport.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Egh, it’s a tough one, Phil.

      One of the criticisms of Chris Lee was that ‘He sees too much’, and calls it all.

      There are so many things to take into account, and it’s impossible for the refs to do a perfect job.

      Two things I will say, however, are:

      (a) as suggested by Kerry Fraser, refs should remain in the same pairings throughout the year. This way, they will become accustomed to each other’s styles, and will be able to work out strategies for better policing the ice over the course of the year;

      (2) cracking down in the NHL will destroy the game. The players who are here have been playing a certain way for their entire lives, and a total sea-change will ruin the sport. If they want to change the way games are officiated, they have to start at the junior level so that players are prepared for that to continue. If they started next year, they could track the players and make small changes within the NHL as they moved towards the big league so that once they arrive there, it is the same as it was throughout their development.

      And finally, the NFL moves a lot slower than the NHL (and plays never last longer than a minute or two), and has a million refs per game, while the NBA is a significantly slower game too, and is played on a much smaller surface, which makes them easier to police by a long shot.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Cal says:

        C’mon, Matty. Chris Lee hallucinates whilst in the process of reffing every game. Same problem with Peel and a few others.
        EDIT- I have to speak to point 2. Cracking down would cause a parade to the sin bin, yes, but within a few weeks players would adjust to it or not play. It is that simple. The NHL has a bleeping rulebook. The refs are there to police the game, not the players. So call the bloody penalties instead of having a standard for each ref that’s as different as night and day.

      • Phil C says:

        a. Good idea, never heard that before.

        b. There would be an adjustment, but everyone knows what hooking, holding, inteference, etc is, it’s not like they would be calling new rules. It’s just a zero tolerance policy. I think it would be no worse than the season after the lock out.

        c. It’s a valid point that the NHL moves quickly and may be harder to officiate, I’ll give you that. But I really don’t think the refs have a problem recognizing a penalty when they see it, I believe they would get it right most of the time. It’s the judgement of whether or not to call it based on some unwritten code that gets them in trouble.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah, that’s true.
          But everyone is human, and if a ref has priors with a player, I’m sure it comes into play. It’s part of the game.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

  19. Ozmodiar says:

    “Bell Centre bat finally caught by Brenda Branswell.”


  20. Mattyleg says:

    Gooood Morning Posteroos!

    Mattyleg is back at work, and that means that you, yes YOU! will be treated to more educational, erudite and edifying posts than ever before… without having to pay ONE PENNY MORE!!

    I know, it’s a bit much to take in all at once, but you have all morning to digest that, along with your French Toast Crunch and your ‘Triple-Quadruple’.

    …it’s good to be the King…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  21. Habfan17 says:

    I thought it was usually this time of year when we started to hear about the free agent US College free agents that will be available soon. I wonder if there are any that would interest Bergevin?


    • CJ says:

      Ryan Walters from Omaha Nebraska. Senior, 6 foot centre. The kid from St. lawrence in Canton NY is pretty decent. It really is trying to find a diamond in the rough. I don’t follow it as closely as I used to, so there will be many more with better opinions and feedback for you. Great question. I’m looking forward to the responses.

    • CJ says:

      The name I was intrigued with last year was Liam Coughlin from south Boston. Playing in the BCHL this season with the Vernon Vipers. Playing in the NCAA next year. 6’3″ power forward. I know he was on Timmons radar last year. I think he could be someone to keep an eye on.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Thanks for both posts. In past years, there always seemed to be two or three players that were highly touted.

        I also wonder if there are any players that will not sign with the team that drafted them, and will become UFA’s this year and be good additions.


  22. Sportfan says:

    The projected roster for Canada is up on TSN if its true ruins the surprise for Tuesday.

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  23. Hobie Hansen says:

    Back to work today after an unscheduled week off last week after being sick as a dog. Watched a ton of hockey but unfortunately missed out on the New Years events and even had to turn down free tickets to the game on Saturday.

    What do I have to look forward to today at my office in Ottawa? Driving on slippery roads and having people laugh in my face when I say the officiating in Saturday’s game was a bunch of BS.

    Excuses, excuses, excuses…

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Morning Folks, weird weather here in Southern Ontario, and I guess across most of the Continental U.S. Hope everyone stays safe as they deal with flash freezing, frigid temps and just general winter stuff.

    Looking forward to the game tonight, but I suspect that US College Football game could be a dandy as well.

    Thankfully I am sick so I can stay home and watch all of the games.

  25. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning friends. As you probably can tell I’m still seething over the call(s) the other night.

    Each year I tell myself the officiating in this league is the worse I’ve ever seen it. I’d love to ask these questions.

    1) Is there a reward/punishment system in play. When they make a hideous call do they get a call from their supervisor? If they make a lot of hideous calls do they get disciplined? If they make a lot of hideous calls do they get fired?

    2) What is the league doing to invest in getting a better trained group of officials? Do they have training for up and coming and current officials? Do they scout the lower ranks of amateur hockey for potential “stars” of striped shirts?

    3) How do they recruit? Are they offering a high enough pay package to entice the best of the best? Or are they just nickle and dimeing these guys in an attempt to save a dollar at the games expense?

    4) Who the hell is in charge? I know in title its Walcom but who’s really making the decisions. The league is not bashful in providing when an offical gets promoted and how they constantly graded high but what about the boobs who constantley rate low? Is it possible that the likes of Tim Peel and Chris Lee get rated high and are rewarded with playoff games?

    5) Why don’t you make public the officials rating system? Fans should have the right to know that the refs for that particular game are rated good or poor. Shouldn’t the better refs be working games of a higher profile or more meaningful contest. Shouldn’t a Hab/Sens game warrant a better group of officials then say a Islander/Sabre game?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hey Jim 🙂

      I don’t want to make your blood pressure increase any more this AM, yet if you want answers to most of your questions, just have a look at this link along with the several others attached to the story.

    • Walmyr says:

      good morning sir…

      game day…You know the refs will call a couple of bad ones tonight too, right?

      Our players/staff can’t control that BS…

      What they can control is:
      – not to so many giveways
      – not so many ices
      – not so many odd man rushes againt us


    • JF says:

      I agree with you about the penalty the other night. It was complete BS, especially considering the blatant infractions that were overlooked earlier in the game. And I’m still angry about all the legitimate goals that have been disallowed to us in recent games. But it’s beginning to seem a waste of time and emotion to go on venting about things like that – or about fighting and after-the-whistle garbage, for that matter. Nothing changes, and there’s nothing we as fans can do about it except not watch. I thoroughly despise the NHL. But I love hockey, and what we’ve got in North America is the NHL with its goonery and crap officiating.

      A tournament like the WJC makes me appreciate all the more the fast, skilled, exciting game that hockey could be. Not that there weren’t some bad calls made there as well, but the officiating wasn’t the joke it’s becoming over here.

      • athanor says:

        That’s the thing. It was clearly a hook, any time of the game, but there were so many other calls the refs missed (or let go) that this one seems unfair.
        I would be interested in what would happen if the refs called a game by the book — if they could even do it — calling every penalty.
        For example, I would have thought that on the Brendan Gallagher vs Corrie Conacher tussle, Conacher should have got a penalty before it turned into the altercation that led to Gallagher’s unsportsmanlike call. He was at least hooked and cross-checked before he finally responded.

        How many would there be?

        Right now, it’s like a vicious circle — they let stuff go, which leads to more severe offences, and when they let some of those go …

    • New says:

      I think it is a pretty fast game and with two refs you double your chances of a mistake. The premise is that one will catch what the other doesn’t. I think it is the opposite. And when the game gets tighter nerves get tugged and more mistakes happen.

      The real issue is that the NHL accepts this. There was a time they put the whistle away except for blatant fouls in the last few minutes. There was a reason they did it that way. It didn’t make rule book sense but it worked.

      Too bad. All things come full circle I guess.

  26. Maritime Ronn says:

    We are about 27 hours away from the naming of the full Team Canada Olympic team.

    When looking at the potential choices, there is a distinct possibility that only 2 players from the total 7 Canadian based teams will be chosen and BOTH are Habs- Price as one of the Top 2 goalies, and most probably Subban as the 4th Right Hand Dman ‘to start’.

    The venue chosen for the announcement tomorrow is….the Toronto Maple Leafs practise facility (?)

    Here’s wondering if Team Canada management will try and pull a quick one playing the ‘hockey politically correct ‘ card and name a Leaf to the lineup?

    Upon reading the 4 Toronto papers, and as hilarious as this may appear, different Toronto media guys are lobbying for Bernier as a # 3 goalie-Lupul as a forward, and the best joke possible, is Phaneuf as a Dman.

    When clamoring for the $49 million dollar Dman, they quote all types of stats….yet not one mentions that a Dman has to be able to skate and pivot on a large ice surphace, and also possess courage – the 3 qualities that Phaneuf is lacking.

    • Cal says:

      Announcing the roster at the laffs’ practice facility is, to be blunt, short-sighted. Of course they want maximum exposure, but ANY hotel lobby in Toronto would suffice and not lead to undue speculation about Lupul and Phaneuf making the team (ridiculous!).

      If PK isn’t on the team I will wish all the other teams good luck and openly call for The Old Boys Club in Canada to be disbanded permanently. I understand good to great players may not make the roster. However, leaving off the Norris winner when he is in the midst of replicating last season would be nothing short of an abomination. Oh, and Mike Babcock be damned if he’s going to worry about right handed and left handedness when it comes to the corps of Dmen.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning Cal. The Bobby Ryan uproar will look like a summer picnic compared to the uproar you will see if PK is left off the team.
        I can imagine the folks in the war rooms of the US and Russia teams sitting across the tables with their fingers crossed hoping that he’s left off.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hey Cal

        When you look at the complete and total situation, PK cannot be left off the team.
        I see 5 Righties and 3 Lefties on the DCorps.

        I can also see Subban’s role being very limited to begin with because of that often times stated supposed defensive trust factor.

        Looking at it cold and hard, if the Habs own coach doesn’t trust Subban on the penalty kill, and if only recently he started to trust PK in the last minutes of the game, what message does that send to the Team Canada coaching staff?

        Can they see beyond the Therrien decisions?

        • habstrinifan says:

          If I recall you were one of the many folks here on HIO who chastised me when I made an emphatic argument that HIO should stop bellowing about TSN and HNIC etc when they would denigrate Subban.

          My argument then is the one you are artfully using NOW. The biggest purveyors of unfair and bad criticisms of P.K were THE HABS… yes .. THE HABS. Now you are using it to buttress what is taking on the appearance of a laborious crusade.

          It is only recently that the HABS have acted supportively re Subban.

          I remember one poster who offered some weak explanation as to why a grown man in a position of power and ‘tutelage’ of a ‘youth’ under his charge saw the need to ALWAYS refer to him (AND HIM ALONE… I REPEAT HIM ALONE) as a thoroughbred.

          I also remember the surprising clarification offered to me by another poster who ‘fully understood’ why a respected and legendary organization would put out an edited and sanctioned video (produced by that organization) of it’s ‘mentors’ cussing out that same ‘charge’ in totally classless language. Locker room dynamics aside (although this was no locker room scenario), this was demeaning and unproductive to the context and situation both were in.

          I believe that poster’s explanation was “well Subban was ok with it”. One of the proven fallacies of superior/subordinate relationships.

          While I grant you that there are subjective strategic arguments that can be made for Subban’s omission, I would have been more inclined to accept your dedication to proving the fairness of that omission and the rightness of your cause if I had seen you as alert and contemplative noticing and commenting on the situations I described above.

          But then we may be viewing them from a different perspective. One which I had only to walk through some doors to experience but which you would have had to get out of your skin to notice, much less become involved in.

    • Sportfan says:

      Who ever gets picked in the end one of the top players will be snubbed.

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  27. Loop_Garoo says:

    I have said this before, but with some of the comments in the last couple of days it bears repeating. Having had the opportunity to work closely with the referees and the officiating dept of the NHL, I know for a fact that there is no bias from one team to the other in officiating. There may be some individual players that individual referees treat differently based on past experiences, but that is all. Also, the idea the Bruins were given the cup by the NHL a couple years ago is equally as ridiculous as saying the moon landing was faked, or that the moon is made of swiss cheese. The nhl is smart enough to know that good hockey sells tickets, and they will never ever sell one extra ticket because a ref called a phony hooking call in the second period of a florida game. The call on Subban was a bad call, that’s all.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The ‘timing’ of the call was bad.

      The infraction was Rule Book legitimate, yet the refs forgot about the Rule Book for a good portion of the night. (Gallagher getting assaulted as 1 small example)

      PK also fibbed in his post game presser when he said the play was over.
      The bottom line is don’t whine and complain when you get pulled over doing 110 KPH in a 90 KPH zone…and others didn’t.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Bull crap bud. The stick was not near the Sen’s until after the players had skated past the net and the whistle blew. Not a penalty then, now or ever. It was a bad call because it was a bad call period.

        And if you don’t think PK doesn’t get his unfair share of these bad calls your not watching the same games as me.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Good morning there Jim

          Here is the video and 2 different views of the play.

          The hook started about 10 feet in front of Carey and continued right through behind the net.

          The whistle was never blown until after the ref raised his hand and another Hab took possession of the puck.

          You can clearly hear the whistle being blown after.

          For Subban to say the play was over – that “He Thought” Carey had the puck is…and I’ll put it mildly, not the truth.

          Was the timing of the call bad considering the the game situation?
          Maybe yes, but to claim that wasn’t a legitimate penalty because Subban appears to be unfairly targetted is off the mark my friend.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        That’s true, the situation made that one bad, and the whining does not help anyone in the long run, especially when its from the player involved.


    • Habfan10912 says:

      The way it looked to me was different. The league changed in midstream from a open end to end skating league (Gainey rebuilt his team in a year because of it) to a grinding, scrum filled, physical, gloves in your face league. The people in Boston love that type of hockey. I heard road announcer after road announcer state that the Bruins get away with an awful lot otherwise it’s be a constant parade to the box. Listen to the crowd and notice the noise increases when there’s a scrum. Loader then a great skill play on the ice.

      The game changed and our team found itself behind the eight-ball.

    • AndyF says:

      This League wouldn’t know good hockey if it saw it. And fair hockey is not in the League’s business interest.

      Some markets are win-elastic — like in Montreal, Toronto, or NY — and some markets are win-sensitive — like in Boston, Carolina, or Columbus.

      The League knows this, and uses it when profitable.


  28. Cal says:

    Ice rain and flooding and wind. Oh my!
    My first day back at work here in Montreal and there’s no water pressure to shower.
    I have a feeling I’m going to have a stinky day.

  29. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Chris, nice analysis of what ails Cdn hockey on the international stage. Well-put, and I thoroughly agree.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  30. The_Truth says:

    2% of Habs trade rumours ever happen. Even if Briere were traded, the Habs would get little in return. I’m sure the teams are not lining up to get him at his cap hit.

    I still think he can be effective in the right situation if he doesn’t get injured. I’m talking 20 goals and 40 points or thereabout. That Ott for Briere rumour sounded semi-realistic. It could still happen closer to the deadline.

  31. montreal ace says:

    I noticed on the Bulldogs roster we have 7RW”s and just 2LW’s, I think 1 of the 7 will make the Habs soon.

  32. montreal ace says:

    I look at our games against the Canes and the Sens, with the feeling the Refs are going to be hard on us. I feel that the Refs favour them as these teams need to generate fan interest, as they are not on solid financial footing. The officials in the league do not want to see a team fold because of money problems, so the officials with the approval of the NHL, keep the standings close, so attendance is high.

    • Timo says:

      Habs had a 4 minute PP and a 5 on 3 and did babkis with is.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      Tonight’s winner of the tin-foil hat award.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • The_Truth says:

      The refs don’t favour any team over the Habs. That is just Habs fans focusing on calls made against the team and not looking at the other side.The refs called 7 penalties on the Canes that night including some real questionable calls late. The habs were undisciplined and deserved most of the 10 calls against them. The refs were calling a tight game on both sides.

      They blew the two disallowed goals and generally didn’t have a good night but to suggest they are against the Habs is silly. The Habs have to be more disciplined and stop chasing the other teams around. If they had the puck more that game and were more intense physically, they wouldn’t be taking those penalties.

    • CJ says:

      Parity keeps the standings close.

  33. bandaide says:

    Not for anything but I really hope Dalton Thrower pans out cuz he can throw em like a piston in a super charged engine holy crap batman! Haven’t seen him lose a fight and he throws checks like crazy though some look um suspendable 😛

    • CJ says:

      He is a great fighter. He will be in hamilton next year. Excited to see what he can do playing against men. He certainly deserves the award for most improved prospect, year over year.

  34. The_Truth says:

    Two very good young defenceman in this League are Jacob Trouba of Winnipeg and Olli Maata of Pittsburgh. Both 19, big, and really skilled players. Would trade all 3: Tinordi, Beaulieu and Patteryn for any one of those guys.

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      Those two are both good players but I wouldn’t trade all 3 of ours for one of them. Glad you aren’t our GM!

      24 cups and counting….

      • The_Truth says:

        In the end, all 3 won’t be playing on our future roster. I would think maybe one will and make an impact. Maybe.

        Trouba and Maata are better than all 3 players with significantly more upside. You are talking legitimate top 2 potential. I’ll take one of those at this point rather than some maybes.

        With Beaulieu and Tinordi struggling, I would be more than comfortable trading those 2 guys for Trouba or Maata. Pateryn is a throw in to make a point. In reality, it would be more like Tinordi, Beaulieu and a 2nd rounder, which I doubt the Pens or Jets would even do.

        • CJ says:

          Our guys aren’t struggling. Truth is, it’s extremely rare for a defencemen under the age of 22 to make the league. Take a look at current rosters. We need to moderate our expectations. In a year or two, we have the potential to have a back end loaded with talent. I wouldn’t give up on any of these guys just yet. If one of the three had to be moved I’d suggest patryn, if only because he is closest to having reached his ceiling. I hate to be do crude, but players are like commodities. You try and buy low and sell high.

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        The problem is he’s not Winnipeg’s GM! Trouba for those 3 would be a win for us. That kid is all-world. No way the Jets part with him for 3 maybes.

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • SUMO says:

      People said the same thing about Tyler Myers after he won the Calder.

    • CJ says:

      Absolutely not. This is a classic case of undervaluing our own talent. I do agree that quality trumps quantity, however there is significant upside with the players you have listed.

  35. frontenac1 says:

    Sharks win in shootout.

  36. ProHabs says:

    Wow, take a look at the shots on goal in the 2nd and 3rd periods of the Vancouver-Anahiem game. Are the Ducks really that good.

  37. Storman says:

    Team Canada my goalie selection would not include the distraction called Luongo.. I would have 1-Price, 2-Crawford, and 3-Smith

    • Habcouver says:

      How’s Luongo a distraction?

      Waiting patiently for #25

      • Storman says:

        I just think Crawford and or Smith would be much more willing to accept the back up role.. Price has to be the guy..and i was never the biggest Price bot , but he has just brought his game to another level this year.

        • Habcouver says:

          Thanks for the reply. It’s interesting that Ben Kuzma of The Province newspaper today wrote that Luongo should be claimed #1 status on account of the right to defend his 2010 Gold medal win. Personally, I do not agree with that logic, which I believe originated from Martin Brodeur’s opinion.
          However, I do believe Luongo has played just as well as Price this season. As you probably know, Luongo is injured again and if there’s any possibility that his performance in Sochi would be affected, I believe Luongo should and would have the grace to accept making way for Price.
          I have grown to like Luongo after all the crap Gillis put him through over the last year.

          Waiting patiently for #25

          • Storman says:

            Gillis sure crapped the bed last year with that whole situation, and you are right Luongo did handle it very well, and gave one of the best presser’s ever. and i am sure won a lot of support from many after that presser and his continued fine play in nets.

        • The_Truth says:

          Luongo won’t be the back-up. That is unless he plays badly and loses the job to Price. Luongo has played very well so far and has a ton more experience and success in big games than Price.

          He’s won a Canda Cup, 2 World Championship golds, 1 silver, and an Olympic Gold Medal and gone to game 7 of the Cup finals. Price has one career playoff series win.

          No way Price should get the nod over Luongo in this situation. Luongo should and will start and if he falters, Price will be there.

  38. Storman says:

    Front these two teams are so good.. lol when San Jose tied it up, WGN announcers did not even say he scores..Brent Burns cross checks Hjalmarsson to make some room for himself to receive pass, power forward move we could use so much..

  39. Storman says:

    5-3 Oilers over Tampa late in the 3rd,, doing us a favor,, Hall and Eberle strutting there stuff.

  40. ProHabs says:

    Any chance Taylor Hall makes the Olympic team?

  41. Storman says:

    Need some help from the Oil, hope they can pop one late in the third, tied with Tampa 3-3, Dallas Eakins best coach in the league in his own mind..

  42. CJ says:

    Nice to know that the meltdown in Carolina has helped to propel the Hurricanes back into the playoff picture. After having won once in seven games, they are now on a roll. I mean, I like Muller as much as the next guy, but we don’t need to do any favours for that bunch. My whining aside, there is an underlying theme; Hockey is a game of ebbs and flows. An 82 game season can be a grind. I hope the players absorbed the positives from last night’s game. Coming back, down two goals showed a great deal of character. I hope this can be our turning point. This will be a big week, with stiff tests against three good to great teams. A bounce here, a comeback in the face of adversity there, and we can get back on our own winning streak. The east is wide open, and this team, despite it’s blemishes, has as good a chance as any in the Atlantic division to grab firmly hold of top spot and drive into the Olympic break in first place.

  43. Storman says:

    If you guys get WGN,, Chicago vs Do you know the way to San Jose is on good game,,

  44. Steven says:

    Was at this practice today. It was pretty fun, and more or less how it was described.

    The shootout event was the most interesting to watch. It really gave you an idea of how good some players are, or how some players are better in that area than you’d think. Pacioretty can absolutely shoot a puck(and pulled off a nifty backskating through-the-legs move on Budaj), Subban has talent out the wazoo and Murray has unexpectedly good hands, even though he was stopped. A lot of the players opted to just shoot, though most of them had pretty great shots(one of which was Desharnais). Even Youppi came up with a fancy move in the shootout, but he got stopped on the doorstep.

    Good early morning fun, all in all.

    • D Mex says:

      I went to one of these a l-o-n-g time ago at the original Forum.
      John Ferguson was injured but skated as referee / linesman for an intra-squad scrimmage.
      I recall some of the Habs getting cute with the puck while trying to have a laugh at his expense – Fergy was on it and shut it down in short order.
      Great memories then, just as it will be for the kids who were there to take it all in today. The Habs uniform is magical.

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

      • sprague cleghorn says:

        “The Habs uniform is magical.” Truer words were never spoke. Been watching this team for fifty years and still get a rush every time they take the ice.

        … ‘ow could we forget that?

      • habstrinifan says:

        Getting cute …. have a laugh … at John Ferguson’s expense.

        I can’t see that ending well at all.

  45. Storman says:

    Holy crap. a couple of oxycodone’s supposed to be taken with water and food, but i washed down with some whiskey and i am buzzed and dizzy,, wow

  46. frontenac1 says:

    1-0 Sharks after 1. There is a bald headed guy on WGN yakking about a Polar Vortex? Does that hurt? And should I be concerned?

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      You mean from the melting ice cap? Where’s that Al Gore anyway? He’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  47. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …WHAT ???’s wrong with our hockey Team Canadas ?

    …skill-levels vis-a-vis the Europeans, or is it all between-the-ears ?

    …I believe it’s partially the Europeans are coaching and accenting on skating skills especially more-so than we are, but mostly it’s between-the-ears of the hype they deal with 24/7 here in Canada

    …there must be tweaks and accent on skating-speed and skills within the Program For Excellence, which means even more reduction of the onus of fighting/finishing your check in peewee up to 15 to 16 years old

    …let kids learn how to prioritize skating and speed without the intimidation factor

    …everything about hockey should be based on speed and skating …and go from there

    • Chris says:

      Personally, I’ve felt for years that Canadian hockey teams sometimes get far too caught up in playing a “Canadian” style of hockey. They get too aggressive, looking for hits against the flow of the play, and get themselves into penalty trouble or get way out of position on international ice.

      Canada can go skill-for-skill with any country in the world. But there has always been a subtext to international hockey tournaments that Canada needs to win with physicality.

      Any time you play close to the edge, you run a significant risk of playing over the edge and drawing penalties. That lack of discipline has been killing Canada the past couple of years. You could see it all tournament long that Team Canada was getting into penalty trouble. It finally bit them in the rear end.

      The teams all play with the same officiating, so the continual whining about international refereeing has long since grown old. Refereeing isn’t the problem. Discipline and lack of scoring is the problem.

      • NoTinFoilCups says:

        You hit the nail on the head my man. If we want to win this tournament again we have to choose a skilled fast team. CHL style hockey will do us absolutely no good. There’s no such thing as the refs putting the whistles away. And your right we now have the skilled kids to compete. Didn’t used to be that way.

    • boonie says:

      HIS, I love your posts. Thanks for asking this open-ended question about our national program(s). HIO’s ample, engaged, intelligent commentariat should offer some interesting insights.

      Maybe we need to consider that the NHL game differs from the international flavor enough that our talent advantage is no longer the deciding factor. That implies that I believe we have the best talent. I also realize the rest of the world is catching up.

      I’d like to believe if we played the Russians and Finns on an NHL-sized rink with NHL style rules, we would have won. Notice how we played the US – a team accustomed to our style of game.

      The broader point is how do we build teams for an international exhibition? Keep in mind we won in 2010 on an NHL surface against the Americans. Larger ice and international refs in the middle of former soviet gulags may need a new different approach to win.

      I’m sure there are more reasons for our recent unsuccessful string at the World Juniors… That’s my two cents.

    • AndyF says:

      I don’t know if there’s much to ponder over, guys. They couldn’t even complete a simple frickin’ pass, that’s what happened.

      Simple simple plays became turnovers. Just stupid-bad hockey.

    • twilighthours says:

      This issue, it’s complicated….

      I’d offer this: if Hockey Canada wants to get serious about winning every year, then there needs to me more emphasis on a true National Junior Team / Program, one that meets more regularly, plays more exhibition games, is a full-year some sort of deal. Probably will never happen with the CHL, though.

  48. CJ says:

    17,000 fans for an open practice? I was at the Blues Senators game in ottawa before Christmas and there wasn’t more then 12,000 people in the building. I got the tickets for free, including parking. Next time you blast Florida, keep in mind Ottawa has the third cheapest average ticket price in the league, and they can’t sell the place out. If not for Montreal and Toronto fans, the CTC would never sell out.

    • The Jackal says:

      How does that happen? I thought they would sell out at least 90% of the time. Not a lot of Sens fans in the Ottawa region?

      Hockey sine stercore tauri.

      • CJ says:

        Lots of commentary locally about the dates (lots of Friday night and Sunday afternoon games). Ottawa has historically been a very tough sports town. Lost the Rough Riders twice and the AAA Lynx within the past ten years. The Senators were on life support in 98, and were saved by Bettman and the board of governors. My folks had season tickets for a number of years back at landsdown, but Kanata is terribly inconvenient. It’s a government town and the tech sector took a major hit which has not helped. Apparently, per Cyril Leader, they used to give tickets away to help fill the arena. They discontinued the policy this season. As a result they now average around 15,000 per game. The announced crowd is always much higher then the actual attendance. At the St Louis game, there was two other people in our entire row, consisting of at least 12 seats. I met a buddy between periods and he invited my wife and I to sit with him. When I asked if that was an issue he laughed.

        • Mavid says:

          1000% correct..they have tried (and failed) many different ways to sell tickets, one of their ideas what if you bought a premium game ticket you also had to buy a crappy one for the same value..needless to say that bombed , people just did not bother to buy any..I cannot tell you the amount of times I like you have been given free tickets (along with parking)..the times and days of the games is just an excuse, its a government town..I drive for Bluesfest every year, and the downtown is pretty much dead (except for Elgin st) after 9 pm..even some of the artists comment on it..They now have a CFL team again Jeff Hunt and his group are running with it, he has done and excellent job with the 67’s so you never forget it..what a waste of space that ball park is

          Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

      • CJ says:

        Senators are the third most popular team in the Ottawa area, behind the Leafs and Canadiens. On a daily basis you will see far more Canadiens logos then Senators merchandise walking around town. In defence of the Senators, the majority of their fans were all former Habs fans.

        • Mavid says:

          True enough, except that they have now been in the league 21 years long enough for a full generation to get on board..its not just the two teams you named..I went to a Bruins/Sens game and there was tons of Bruin fans, same with of other teams fill the building because they can, the tickets are easily available. If you factor in all the outlining areas there is more than enough to fill that building every game and of course the location way out in Kanata were you sit in your car for over an hour to get out of that stupid parking lot…

          Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

          • CJ says:

            Oh I agree fully. There really is no valid excuse. Like I said earlier, tickets are cheap and readily available.

    • Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

      Doesn’t help that the owner is a tax-evading (lives in barbados to avoid paying taxes in Canada) whiner (still waiting on the results of the Karlsson-Cooke forensic investigation) who won’t spend to improve his team.

  49. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …have been a wee harsh on Turdranna and Turdrannians in the past

    …BUT, I must say, I do like your Turdranna Raptors muy mucho

  50. Eddie says:

    Am I the only one who has noticed Markov’s game go south lately?

    Here’s why.

    When Markov was playing with Subban it was PK who was taking all of the tough plays; the dump ins against the full speed forecheck, the skating the puck out of trouble, taking some hits to make the play.

    Markov can no longer skate or pivot quickly enough or burst away from these very difficult challenges. This is not Emelin’s strength either, and so the Markov Emelin pairing is struggling.

    Subban is the best in the league at this skill. It combines his tremendous quickness with his wicked edge work, allowing him to escape from even the best forecheckers in the league.

    He is really a unique talent.

    • matrags says:

      Good Point , He does make his partners better by going to the tough areas , doing the heavy slugging , other teams keying on him, freeing up ice and time for his defence partner …..

    • Chris says:

      I see both guys making a lot of mistakes lately. I think they’re both trying to do a little too much, and could benefit from simplifying their games. I saw Subban make a couple of absolute doozy turnovers in his own zone trying to skate through a lane that simply wasn’t there. Markov seemed a little confused at times with what the other guys were going to do on the ice. Lars Eller made a particular mash-up of his coverage on the first goal, for example. He looked like he was going to go with Greening, so Markov moved towards Smith. Suddenly, Eller and Emelin both go to Smith and Markov was hung out to dry. That one suggested that the players were simply not on the same page.

      Overall, despite their mistakes, I still felt that the two best Habs last night were Subban and Markov. They both made some nice, heady plays in both zones and stabilized the ship. Unfortunately, Bouillon and Gorges played terrible games, so that made it really tough on Price.

  51. The Teacher says:

    Bingo. Never seen a Norris trophy winner talked about like this.

    NORRIS TROPHY winner being debated about “if” he will make Olympic team. Kinda pathetic.

    • matrags says:

      Right on teacher it is pathetic ,this kid is one of the best to come along in a while. It boils my blood when I hear how he is still on the bubble . or that he needs to mature, . Has anybody listened to this guy in interview , he is such a breath of fresh air .

  52. Storman says:

    A little note from this day in Hockey history,,I know some do not like Ray Ferraro, I find him a great an insightful analyst a little over bearing at times but who is not in the business.. One thing some might not know, besides having a pretty good NHL career, he had one of the best Junior years ever in 1983 in the WHL with Brandon Wheat Kings 72 games played 108 goals and 84 assists 192 points including a 7 goal game 30 years ago today. Not too shabby..

  53. Storman says:

    NHL seams to be the only professional league that never explains, questionable calls, no transparency whatsoever, like they know how inconsistent there officiating is, the game has become too fast, the officials need help. there needs to be a coach challenge system implemented.. NFL and NBA at least recognize mistakes..

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      No difference. Goals and plays can be reviewed but you still can’t question penalty calls in those leagues.

      Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  54. Reflektor says:

    Will never mind the pretty/smart sideline gal for fluff but Erin Andrews is just plain annoying, dumb and useless.

  55. Phil C says:

    PK may be walking a fine line with his comments, but I think it is almost unfair that these guys get a microphone stuffed in their face so soon after competing at a high level when they are still fired up. Even in kid’s soccer, our club has a policy that if you were upset with the coach after a game, you could request a meeting no sooner than 24 hours after the game so that everyone has a chance to calm down and gain some perspective before talking about it. There is almost no chance that PK would make the same comments the next morning. The NHL does it to themselves by giving so much access to the media immediately after the games.

    I guess the media would protest if they had to wait an hour to get their sound bite, but you would see less of these outbursts that the individuals and the NHL end up regretting.

    • 1010 says:

      A few years back a dude named Kovalev was slashed in the hand- in a Hab playoff game against the Bruins- and no call was made by the refs. Fine, it happens. But there was a big discussion on why the call wasn`t made. It made it to coaches corner. Cherry showed a ten year old clip of Kovalev faking an injury as a Penguin. (I said ten years old) McLean and Cherry then went on to defend the non-call with the argument that refs take things personal and they never forget. Different ref and ten years later and they defend that crap.
      Last night Subban said the call felt personal. Well that is because it is starting to feel that way when PK makes plays that would never be a penalty if 50 other guys did the same thing. I can only hope that coaches corner picks this little incident up ( it involves PK, and it has negative connotations, so there is a good chance they will) for discussion and hear there newest take on refs getting personal. I am betting they will give a whole different story about our excellent NHL reffing.

      GO HABS…
      GO HABS…

      • Phil C says:

        It well may have been personal, it happened with Burrows and Auger a few years ago, but I doubt PK would complain to the media about it if he had time to calm down before talking to them. I guess it’s just an occupational hazard for players and coaches to avoid.

    • knucklesnilan says:

      Subban’s call was iffy but I would love to hear an explanation from either ref about why no call was made about 3 minutes before that when Gallagher was basically assaulted by Anderson and the D man from the Sens in front of the night. Seriously watch the replay, Gallagher was cross checked 3 times, punched in the face by Anderson and slashed at least once, none of that gets called then you turn around and call Subban for what??? are you serious??
      The NHL is turning into a circus and it is hard to watch anymore which sucks because I love watching hockey, especially my Habs.

      Go Habs Go !!

  56. The Teacher says:

    Yahooooo 49ers!!!!

  57. Reflektor says:

    Sweet 9ers win after a pretty even matchup.

  58. Bim says:

    Right call…wrong call lets move on. Those comments are going to cost PK. Just when you think you’ve got Doug Harvey you don’t. PK needs to show a little more class and that he is the better man and keep his comments to himself. He’s not quite mature yet and things like this just might keep him out of the Olympics.

    • Reflektor says:

      The more PK (and Geoff Molson) come out against garbage officiating, the better for the game. Pretty sad when talentless refs with zero accountability can determine the outcome of a game. Pathetic refereeing is ruining so many games it isn’t even laughable (both sides, look at how many cheap wins the Leaf get). Not like Bettman or hack owners like Jacobs and Comcast care. Sad time for fair play and fair games.

    • matrags says:

      Sorry but you are dead wrong. Subban has put up with this crap for too long. Your comments about his need to mature are racist ,and therein lies the real problem with Subban. Despite everthing he has accomplished , his Norris trophy, ….He in commentary after commentary , is still on the bubble, still immature, still too black ,too well spoken ,too black in this whity game ….

      • JohninTruro says:

        I do not agree with Bim, but after reading what you wrote i’m baffled on you making the comment that his comments are racist…

        • matrags says:

          Sorry, that was not what I intended. I am troubled by the scruteny he receives, and the qualifiers that continue to persist about his play and level of maturity. He is 24, the reigning Norris d men , third in d men in sscoring ., yet like Cherry ,three years ago ,his maturity is still in Question . WHy……..

          • matrags says:

            Bam has simply reinterated an opinion of Subban that has plagued him since his entry into the league . You know Cherry , he doesnt know his place , Thorton , he needs to learn his place, the opinion makers about his being on the bubble to make the olmypic team, the question is why ?

          • JohninTruro says:

            The “why” I don’t know. Weird how “exuberance” is often OK and people laud it like in Ovechkin. I personally hate the show boating and “me, me, me” you see with Ovechkin although it used to be worse. Not a big fan of some of Subban’s celebrations but I have no problem with him being excited and trying to energize his team. There is definitely bits and pieces of a double standard. Is it because he is black? I hope not, but not much we can do about that. He also plays in MTL and not in Phoenix of Columbus so more is made of a player of his talent and exuberance.

          • Thomas Le Fan says:

            Maybe because like a lot of young people, he needs to mature?

            Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

        • D Mex says:

          That characterization is supported by nothing in his comments.

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Racist? That’s pretty strong considering there’s absolutely no evidence for your reckless and needless accusation against Bim.

        Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

  59. GL says:

    PK’s Penalty didn’t cost us the game. I think it had something to do with not playing well enough for the full 60-minutes.

  60. Haberoooo13 says:

    Who’s cheering for or Double OT?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  61. Haberoooo13 says:

    Who’s cheering for OT?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  62. Storman says:

    Awesome eye candy great football game going on at Lambeau

  63. CJ says:

    Enjoying the Green Bay San Fran game. In my opinion, the playoff games have ranged from very good to amazing.

  64. CH Marshall says:

    on another note.. this winter is tiring me the F out

  65. The Jackal says:

    I understand how a ref may see a hook from a particular angle but even if that was the case they called a BS penalty. The play was dead to begin with, and the refs were letting stuff go prior to that. How does it make sense to make such a weak call with 18 seconds left in regulation. It was a bad call and just another example of poor reffing. How does Anderson get away with embellishment and Gally gets called for nothing? How is it that in that particular tussle our guy gets called for standing up for himself yet when other players give a retaliatory shove its just venting some steam.

    Poor calls, poor reffing, and lack of consistency are a huge problem in the NHL.

  66. slapshot777 says:

    Hi guys I got 4 tickets side by side in Club Desjardins for the 25th of January can’t go because of work commitments. Had them for the family but have to reschedule for a game later this season. Selling them for the price I paid form them. The game is against the Washington Capitals. Anyone interested can email me.

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  67. Storman says:

    I thought the call was another bs call very late , like he looked an saw it was PK and decided to call a penalty,, Carey had already made the save and PK steered his man into the boards total bull crap call,, to give a deadly 4 on 3 in ot for that ridiculous call.

    • The_Truth says:

      PK did have his stick in the Ottawa player’s midsection. From the vantage point of the ref, i could understand the penalty. If Pks stick was down, then no problem, but it wasn’t. I don’t love the call, but can’t say it was totally BS.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Nope. His body was between him and the net not his stick. The ref imagined it was his stick. It wasn’t. Not quite as bad as the imaginary high stick that cost us a game last week but bad none the less.

        • Chris says:

          His stick was parallel to the ice, in the mid-section of Condra. That is asking for a penalty.

          Do I like the call? No. As many have said, it was a bit odd to see that called with 20 seconds to go in a tie game given what they had been letting go earlier.

          Is it strictly a penalty? Yes. It has been called time and time again. Get your stick up in the mid-section of your mark and you are simply asking for trouble. This was a point of emphasis a couple of years ago, and the officials continue to regularly (if not consistently) make those calls.

    • slapshot777 says:

      +1 this has been going on ever since PK came into the League, I don’t like to use the “R” word but it is there, like someone on TSN said can’t remember the name but PK doesn’t do it the “WHITE” way.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

      • Storman says:

        Darren Pang,

        you are right i hate to think the r word comes into play but the way PK who is a superstar gets called regularly for minors has to make you wonder,, does anybody in there right mind think if Crosby steers his man into the boards late in a game like that, will he get called for some bs sh.t like that..

      • boing007 says:

        That was Darren Pang, the fifth rate goaltender from years’ back when smurfs played in the nets.

        Richard R

    • CJ says:

      I agree. Condra sucked that ref in, hook, line and sinker. Kinda embarrassing for the league. Look, I’m over the call. I just happened to watch PK’s clip above. Those who can’t see the excellence that exudes from this kid are missing something special. I’m very fortunate to have had the pleasure of watching him live on multiple occasions. He makes the ticket worth the price of admission. If PK says it was a brutal call, that’s enough for me.

  68. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Someone just come out and say it. It was a B.S. call, for reasons unknown, by an idiot who is lucky to have a job. Again, I wonder, do NHL referees ever watch this game?

    Hockey isn’t everything … it’s the only thing … except for beer and guitars!

    • 24 Cups says:

      I thought the call was kind of 50/50. A ref might make that call earlier in the game but not in the last minute of play. I prefer the old days when a ref went with the ebb and flow of a game. There was an element of judgement that meant the officials didn’t decide who won or lost. In today’s NHL, there seems to be no real consistency. I don’t expect refs to be perfect, just consistent to the point where in a perfect world they are totally neutral on the outcome of a game. I realize that’s a pipe-dream but it’s well worth pursuing. Even a 50% improvement would go a long way.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Sorry 24. There was nothing 50/50 about that play. There was NO hook. NO hold. NO interference. NO trip. Nothing. It was another one of those “I imagine I saw something calls” that officials should never make.

        Missing calls is one thing. Making them up is something totally different. I’m still seething. I agree with Thomas.

      • on2ndthought says:

        The forward grabbed PK’s stick, clutched it to his body, and falls to the ice. How is that NOT a penalty?

        “a cannonading drive”

    • boing007 says:

      You forgot women.

      Richard R

  69. Habfan10912 says:

    So the rumor I heard earlier today is in fact true. The Habs actually practiced today.

    If any HIO members were there I’d love to hear what they worked on.
    Defensive zone breakdowns?
    2 on 1 breaks? Pleks especially)
    Puck support?

    • frontenac1 says:

      Looking slick for AC? Briere shows up last night with a Sweartshirt,Shorts and Sandals! Very disappointing. It’s Montreal for Chr#st Sakes! Show some class Danny.

  70. 24 Cups says:

    Where is everybody?

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