Update: Markov is fine; Habs’ Gionta one-on-one

Canadiens captain Brian Gionta, photographed last November in Uniondale, N.Y.
Mike Stobe, NHLI via Getty Images

Canadiens defenceman Andrei Markov suffered a light rib injury Friday night during his Vityaz Chekhov club’s Kontinental Hockey League game in Russia. Great fears in Montreal Friday night, by then early morning Saturday in Moscow, were that he’d gone down with another knee injury. Markov told François Gagnon of La Presse on Saturday that he’d merely been winded after checking an opponent, his ribs taking the brunt of impact. Markov left the game after roughly eight minutes of ice time, with no information coming from the team at the time.

Below: exclusive Brian Gionta one-on-one:

The Gazette

Brian Gionta is one of more than 700 National Hockey League players who since Sept. 15 has been locked out by his league.

At midnight Friday morning, at the expiration of a deadline it had set, the NHL pulled its most recent offer to the players off the table.

Thus ended any hope of a full 82-game schedule, the league and its players seemingly still far apart in their negotiations to produce a new collective bargaining agreement.

Then on Friday, the NHL announced the cancellation of games through the end of November. When the Nov. 27 match between Dallas and Columbus is not played, the league will reach a milestone 2,000 games cancelled by lockout during the reign of commissioner Gary Bettman, in fact 2,024 through Nov. 30.

(The math: 468 regular-season games to begin the 1994-95 season, all 1,230 of 2004-05 and now 326 this season.)

On Thursday night, I had a lengthy, wide-ranging conversation with Canadiens captain Brian Gionta, 33, who was a member of the New Jersey Devils – a three-year veteran of the NHL – when a stake was driven through the 2004-05 season.

What follows is an edited transcript of our talk. Visit hockeyinsideout.com to read the complete version:

Brian, at midnight, another NHL deadline expires and on Friday, we all expect another shoe to drop, to see the league pull its most recent offer to players and cancel more games…

Unfortunately, it kind of shows where the league is going with things. They said the latest deadline was to save an 82-game schedule and about their concern for wanting to do that. But in reality, obviously, there hasn’t really been the push that they say there has been. If they really wanted to save 82 games, they should have started the process back in August or September or, at the very least, been willing to hash things out between the (players’) offers. To recess for 10 minutes then come back and say, ‘No, on all accounts,’ then say, ‘We have nothing new to say,’ and then sit for a week, it seems kind of like a scare tactic or posturing on their side.

Did it strike you as odd that the NHL last Thursday needed just 10 minutes to reject the NHLPA’s three offers, the players’ counter-proposal to the league’s offer of two days earlier that it detailed publicly?

Here’s the feeling with everyone I’ve talked to: At first glance, maybe (the league) might not have liked our offers, but take the time to digest them, look into them, run some numbers, see what they do to the system… The feeling when we got their last proposal was it wasn’t something that we liked. But you go back, analyze the numbers, you see if it’s something you can work off of. At least you understand what’s involved in it. What’s the hit, what does it mean to the landscape of the players and the league? But to take 10 minutes and reject it … when they initially proposed their (Oct. 16) offer, our sense was it was done for public opinion, trying to sway people on their side. It really wasn’t much of an offer to negotiate off of. We got their true intentions as soon as we brought three well-thought-out plans back to them, something to build off, not just one but three different proposals. Maybe draw pieces off each one, or at least discuss what they like or don’t like. Instead, they gave us a stiff arm and said, ‘No thanks, we’re happy with where we’re at right now in terms of negotiating.’

What does your gut tell you about this season? Do you believe it can be saved, even in an abbreviated form?

I went into this very optimistically. Having gone through the last lockout and feeling the tension and seeing how that one played out with both sides basically not talking for months on end, and nothing getting done… I’d never have thought then that we’d lose the season. My hope is still that cooler heads will prevail and that we’ll be able to salvage this season. But to be honest, it’s when the league wants to get serious about negotiating. We’ve tried from Day 1 to put things forward and try to come up with ways to make everybody happy and get their concerns taken care of. But until their script is, well, you’ve seen the way it’s been playing out. It’s kind of like what happened last year with the two other sports (National Football League and National Basketball Association). I don’t know what the (NHL’s) timeline is. It seems to me they’re not serious until they want to be. Unfortunately, the players have to continue to be patient with that.

Brian, two days into the lockout, we spoke in Brossard and you told me this about Gary Bettman. Your words: “Look at his track record and it doesn’t bode well. He came out of the last lockout saying we needed to be partners and be in this together. Every time he comes out, he beats us down. At the same time he’s doing this, he’s directly affecting his product. In the minds of the players, it’s tough to swallow.” As this lockout has endured, have your feelings about Bettman changed?

No, not at all. That feeling is even more solidified in the fact that his concern is not for the players. It hasn’t been. I just don’t like the regard that has taken things away from people, the players. We have a limited, short time and he’s already cancelled one season for players, though some of us are still around, and for fans. He doesn’t seem to have much regard for what goes into it. It’s just his bottom line and the league’s. My thoughts have not changed at all.

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin evidently didn’t call any of his players during last week’s 48-hour league-granted window of opportunity. Did you expect, as captain, to get a call, even to provide you with a bullet-point summary from the Canadiens to share with your teammates?

No. I guess it just shows the respect that’s there. Even though we’re going through this, Canadiens management are just letting this play out on both sides. They’re not trying to undermine or drive a wedge. Both sides are listening to who they’re getting their information from and working off of that. We’re not trying to back-door anything and that’s good on both sides.

(On Thursday), to ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun, NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr said, in part, of the league: “They seem to be really good at imposing deadlines and issuing ultimatums and having lockouts. It seems to be something they’re well-practised at.”…

I think everybody has seen it this time around. That’s what (the league) had in mind, this is what they’re trying to do – use a lockout as their strategy for getting what they want. A lockout should be a last resort. You don’t want to shut the game down. You want everybody – fans, employees of the game, people who rely on the game – to bear the fruits of the great league. Unfortunately, (the NHL) has had a lockout in their minds from the start. It seems to be a fairly single-minded approach that they’re thinking only of themselves.

Brian, having come through the lost season of 2004-05, how does the dynamic of a lockout change a player’s relationship with his team owner and his league?

It’s definitely tough. If you look at the way things are structured in the NHL constitution, (Bettman) doesn’t need a lot of support. That’s unfortunate because three-quarters or two-thirds of the league could be on board with something and it wouldn’t pass if a certain minority group doesn’t want it. A player’s relationship is strained more with the league than with his own organization.

My guess is that Canadiens majority owner Geoff Molson is one of the more moderate owners, that he’d rather be playing hockey than having the Bell Centre dark…

That would be my feeling, too. You just have to respect each other’s position in the matter. At the end of the day, we’re being advised of certain things and we have the opportunity to express opinions. You don’t know what’s going on behind closed (NHL) doors, which is why I say the player’s relationship is more with the NHL than the actual organizations.

You’ve been on the road with teammates and fellow NHLers in the Tournée des joueurs, having played half or more of these charity fundraisers. How difficult is it to maintain a sense of enthusiasm for the game as we turn into November, and how challenging is it to maintain a mental and physical fitness at this point?

It’s difficult in the sense that normally we have a set date when we want to be peaking. As athletes, you want to build yourself up to a certain point and be ready then. Now, we don’t have an end date or time when we want to be peaking. It’s trying to maintain the right level of mental and physical sharpness. In the summer, you go for three, four weeks hard and you take a week where it’s lighter, to kind of refresh and regroup for the next stage. The problem now is there’s no end date to build up to. Right now, that’s the biggest struggle, to find the time to refresh and then be peaking at the right times.

There’s been talk of a one-week training camp. With a compressed schedule – or who knows what it might be in a shortened season – with Canadiens players having been in a state of suspended animation, to not just pack a camp into a week but also learn coach Michel Therrien’s new system, is there any concern about an increased susceptibility to injury?

That’s definitely a concern. You don’t know where everybody’s been and what guys have been doing at different stages. But you’ve got to hope that guys are professional enough to continue to try to keep themselves as ready to go as they possibly can.

If something broke in the next few days and camp was to begin next week, at what stage of readiness are you? You lost half of last season and underwent biceps surgery, are you pretty close to being 100 per cent?

Everything’s pretty much healed up. It was basically a four-month injury, which kind of brought us into what would have been playoff time last season. I’ve had the whole summer to get it back in shape. In that regard, it’s been pretty good. I haven’t had to cut any corners or know that I’m coming back with it not as strong as it should be.

Shortly before the lockout was announced, you sat down in Therrien’s office and he asked you to do your best to keep the troops rallied, to keep their spirits up as best you could and keep them ready to go. Have you been able to do that?

You try to stay in touch with the guys, and you try to anyways throughout the summer. It’s definitely a unique situation where you have guys playing in Europe, in their hometowns, some guys here. It’s a mixed group and you have to go with the hope that everyone’s a professional and do what they need to make themselves ready. The guys who are around here, we’re in this and going through it together which is a good thing. There are other people to bounce things off of, kind of pick you up when you’re not having your best day, too.

You’re known to lead by example. How is your leadership of the Canadiens tested during this lockout?

I don’t think it’s any different than any other time. It’s an extension of summer – you’re doing the same things you’d be doing all summer long: working out, skating with whatever group of guys you’re with and whatever you’d normally do during that time. It’s just for an extended period of time.

You played 15 games for New Jersey’s American league Albany River Rats farm team during the 2004-05 lockout. How did you spend the rest of that lockout?

I didn’t do anything for most of it. I went to Albany for the last month to get in shape for the world championship (in Innsbruck, Austria). I played in the Deutschland Cup with the U.S. team in mid-November and in the Worlds in May, as well.

You and your wife, Harvest, have a nearly 6-month-old, James, in the house, as well as Adam, 7, and Leah, 4. How is this lockout changing the quality of life for a husband and a father?

It’s a blessing. I don’t mean that in any way other than being involved with your family and your kids’ daily life, to be a stable force. Your schedule is stable, you’re home with them every night, you’re bringing them to hockey, taking them to and from school. That’s the silver lining in the lockout. For me, I’m a family guy and that’s a huge thing for me. I’ve enjoyed being able to have that extra time with them.

Of course, Adam’s a hockey player?

(Laughs) Yes, he’s a forward. He likes to score goals. He’s decent, I think he’s fairly good. I try not to coach him at all. I obviously bring him to the rink and watch him. I let him feel things out. He doesn’t know it but he’s got enough to worry about, unfortunately, with his name.

Okay, I’ve got to ask – what’s his skate size? (Gionta, 5-foot-7, starts to laugh) A few of your teammates suggest that Adam is probably borrowing your skates.

It’s no secret where our size comes from. My kids are the same way as me and my wife. They’re small for their age. But you know what? We’d rather not have it any other way.

Well, if Adam’s not wearing your skates yet, how many pairs of socks would he have to shove into the boots to make them fit?

(Laughs) A lot. He’s got a small foot, too.

On a more serious note: If we wind up losing this season completely and all contracts are burned because of it, you’d be left with one more year on your Montreal deal. Is that even in the very back of your mind?

No, not at all. The thought is trying to play this season. I’m trying to stay as optimistic as possible that we’ll start up soon.

Finally: what can you say directly to Canadiens fans who are missing hockey as the lockout drags on?

That the players feel the same way. It’s a tough situation to be in and fans are the ones who are hurt the most. They’re the ones who pay us by coming out and supporting us. We’re extremely appreciative of that. Unfortunately, they’re the ones being hurt the worst. The fans, and those whose businesses rely on our industry. Everybody who’s being hurt in the process, we’re on their side. We feel the same way. We want to be playing hockey as soon as we can and unfortunately, the powers that be aren’t allowing that to happen.

Twitter: @Dave_Stubbs


  1. frontenac1 says:

    @Ian. The Fronts blow a three goal lead in loss to the 67″s last night. They are in Belleville tonight. Could be a dandy!

  2. HardHabits says:

    Spendin’ the Crowds

    Both sides are rich
    They’re two of a pair
    One side all standing their ground,
    The other don’t care.
    Just screwing the crowds.

    Ignorant bliss
    The fans don’t approve
    One side keeps skating around,
    The other wont move
    Where are the crowds?
    There are no crowds

    The league wont stop locking their doors,
    Annually screwing the ones who just want to see scores,
    Acting with contempt once again and an arrogant air,
    There’s no more spines,
    No heart beat is there.

    The league is a farce
    Bettman and Fehr
    They thought that we’d want what they want
    So just buy more beer
    But where are the crowds?
    Quick, don’t lose the crowds
    Don’t bother, they’re scared

    Life is a bitch
    This much is clear
    They’re wasting their time it’s too late
    No one will cheer
    And where are the crowds?
    There ought to be crowds
    Well, maybe next year.

    • punkster says:


      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • JohnBellyful says:

      If I come on here and read another stupid — sorry, st00pid — song spoof that makes me jealous, I have a good mind — sorry, mind — to stop visiting this sight — sorry, site — because HIO is supposed to be strictly straightforward stuff about the Habs — sorry, hockey — not a sorry collection of musical numbers.
      (I think I just might have written the sorriest post ever to appear here.)

  3. Boomer says:

    This was retweeted by dan kramer on twitter: Galchenyuk game by game review.
    this isn’t mine

  4. JF says:

    Hope all the Summiteers had a great evening. Too bad about the result, but the Dogs played a very solid game. Lots of speed, intensity, determination – they were exciting to watch.

    • B says:

      This is the third time in their first 5 games that the Dogs have played the Marlies. They will have played the Marlies 12 times this season after their game Feb.12 against them.

  5. Boomer says:

    For those interested, central scouting updated their players to watch list

  6. Boomer says:

    I|forgot to post this. Another good prospect to watch out for this years draft, Anthony Mantha with Val Dor, 6′ 3″ 200 lbs center/rw. Scored 4 goals on Wed. Tied for 2nd in points in the Q. He’s off to a great start.

  7. punkster says:

    Too easy…

    I am gross and perverted
    I’m obsessed n deranged
    I have existed for years
    And 3 disputes I’ve arranged
    I am the tool of the owners
    And the NHL too
    For I am destined to rule
    And regulate you

    I may be vile and pernicious
    But you can’t look away
    I make you think I’m delicious
    With the stuff that I say
    I am the best you can get
    Have you guessed me yet?
    I am the Bettman oozin out
    From your tv set

    You will obey me while I lead you
    And eat the garbage that I feed you
    Until the day that we don’t need you
    Don’t got for help…no one will heed you
    Your mind is totally controlled
    It has been stuffed into my mold
    And you will do as you are told
    Until the rights to you are sold

    That’s right, folks..
    Don’t touch that dial

    Well, I am the slime from the NHL
    Oozin along on your living room floor

    I am the slime from the NHL
    Cant stop the slime, people, lookit me go

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  8. Mavid says:

    the game last night reminded me of some Habs games last season..dying seconds of the game..scored on lose in OT, but it was fun to watch and a bit of a hockey fix. I wish there were more on TV though watching on the laptop is not the best..

  9. centre hice says:

    Bulldogs best game of the season last night. Lost 5-4 in OT.

    The new top line of three rookies Bournival, Gallagher, Holland was very impressive. They were buzzing around the Marlies zone all game.

    Brendan Gallagher was arguably the Bulldogs best player last night. Scoring his first pro goal, he seemed to be involved on every shift. Like a bulldog, this kid loves to get his nose dirty, and has skill to compliment the tenacity. He set up teammates, had scoring chances, drove the net, and was a general pest all night.

    Holland continues to surprise. I didn’t expect him to be such a prominent player in his first year with the Bulldogs. He is more of a passer than a goal scorer, has good hands, and doesn’t seem to be afraid of contact. He played the point on the PP which led to a Bulldogs goal.

    Quailer had a good game. He used his size and skill well, protecting the puck, good on the forecheck. Another rookie who will continue to improve.

    Ellis looked good for a player in his second game, and missed training camp due to injury. I think that he will move up the depth chart quickly.

    Beaulieu didn’t have a good game. He needs to keep things simple. He had a lot of opportunities on the PP, but tried to do too much. Could have made a difference in the game. One PP in particular he was on ice for the entire 2 minutes. Defensively he made a lot of costly errors. The bulldogs almost lost the game in regulation because of his mistakes he made with seconds left.

    Last night was the Bulldogs best game and it was the rookies who led the way. Palushaj, Blunden, Geoffrion have been surpassed by Bournival, Gallagher, Holland, and Quailer. Only 5 games into the season, the rookies are going to continue to get even better.

    • ProHabs says:

      Thanks for the update.
      But I got to say, not happy that our best player in the AHL is another player about 5ft7. The Bruins will be licking their chops.

    • JF says:

      Anther who should be mentioned is Gabriel Dumont. He worked his butt off all night, was very intense around the net and along the boards. The tying goal in the third period was the result of his second and third efforts.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      I read that Gallagher had 10 shots…

      I also read that Beaulieu was actually quite good, better than he was expected to be defensively.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Caught the replay Dogs game on TVA last night. I thought the Lads played well.They outplayed ,out skated and outshot the Marlies. Delmas needs some work on his angles,too much open net (from the replays).

      • B says:

        Delmas and Mayer are trying to not be the guy sent to Wheeling once Desjardins returns from injury. Mayer was awesome in game 1 and then pulled in the next game. I had the edge to Mayer before the season began, but now I am not so sure. It is probably a moot point as it does not seem that either one will be pushing for an NHL job anytime soon (or perhaps ever?). Desjardins should get most of the starts once he is healthy.

  10. Timo says:

    Markov and his knee are ok? Pheew!!! Thank god. We are so lucky to have him and his knee.

  11. Exclusive interview with Gionta and not a single comment about the interview…only talk about the dogs…clearly we want hockey news not lockout news…

    I don’t care what Gionta has to say about the lockout…he is an overpaid athlete who is making more money in a season than 5 -10 entire NHL teams combined!

    Enough excuses Gio…take the damn 50-50 split and shut the hell up, start playing hockey and make your millions.

    The greatest Canadiens and NHL news-site: http://teliopost.com/
    Twitter: @teliopost

    • VJ says:

      Little harsh towards our captain, dontcha think? You make it sound like the lockout is solely Gio’s fault

      “he is an overpaid athlete who is making more money in a season than 5 -10 entire NHL teams combined!”

      Love to see where you got your info for that one….

      • Cal says:

        Think he may have meant AHL. Heat of the moment thing. 😉

      • Sorry I was wrong about the ‘making more money than 5-10 NHL teams’ part.

        In fact Gionta is making more money than 22 NHL teams COMBINED according to Forbes! and yes, i am aware that the Forbes numbers are estimates but my point remains valid whether Gionta is making more money than 5 teams or 15 teams, he is making too much money.

        Here is the source (from late 2011):

        And then he comes to HIO complaining about how unfair the NHL is to him…


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        Twitter: @teliopost

        • Mark C says:

          What is your point? Based on Forbes info, even if there is a rollback to 50-50, Gionta would still be making more money than about the same number of teams, no?

        • B says:

          Gionta is doing what all involved have been doing so far, posturing and spewing self interested rhetoric. To be fair though, he did not come here to do that. Gionta was simply answering questions posed to him from a reporter (and the reporter was just doing his job). It is really no different than the tired cliches most players drag up when answering questions from the media, predictable and expected. Is seems the players have been given a book of standard rhetoric to quote from when answering the media during the lockout instead of the usual book of standard cliches they are given to quote from during the season. It still makes me shake my head when I hear it though, especially the over the top rhetoric. At least the cliches are more benign.

        • Sookieman says:

          Buddy based on your logic you and I are also making more than half the teams since they supposedly lose money. Here’s an idea – how about the clowns managing the teams learn what a friggin budget is.

          • B says:

            Unlike the “clowns” managing teams, most of us weren’t forced to include at least $48.3M in our budgets to meed a cap floor last season (would have been $54M this season). A lower cap floor would help out a lot of teams.

    • christophor says:

      4 step program to not coming across as delusional:

      (1) Stop referring to your little website as “news”.
      (2) Stop referring to readily available info on the internet as “sources”.
      (3) Stop suggesting that you’ve provided something comparable to (or even better than) the Gazette.
      (4) Stop thinking of yourself as a journalist.

      Hope that helps.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Bravo. And keep the so-called anti-bullying and Price Parade proselytizing to yourself Burkie Jr. Cole is my captain.

    • Ron says:

      Watched the game and thought the Dogs were improving from last game. Hard one to loose. The young guys are getting better and not running around as much although a few still get rattled abit. The goaltending maybe another matter. A few goals on long shots. In all they are improving and put on some good pressure.

  12. habs001 says:

    Ahl games on tv have a very limited appeal for tv networks..While fans will watch nhl games that dont involve their team i would think very few fans would watch ahl games that dont involve their nhl affiliate…

  13. Cal says:

    Here’s hoping the Min-summit was a great time (despite the outcome of the game).
    Another lockout day, another lockout song:


  14. savethepuck says:

    So it’s only a light rib injury. To paraphrase a lot of comments on here yesterday, they were basically “his knee is gone again, I hope the old bum retires this time instead of hurting our salary cap on the IR”.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  15. Haborama says:

    Galchenyuk now on pace for 94 points, considering that he is not on a particularly good team, very impressive!!!

    Thrower………. I am very concerned, he has had a terrible year so far and I think needs a change of scenery. He is/was my favorite habs prospect and I sincerely hope that he can turn it around, players like him don’t grow on trees!

    Bozon is on pace for 123 points!!!!!!!!!!! he is on a superb team so his stats are a bit inflated, but methinks he will be a steal of the ages.

    Vail’s stock is rising……..

    I don’t know if Hudon is still injured or not, does anyone???

    and last but not least, Markov: THANK GOD! I barely got any sleep last night, what a relief!!

    • JF says:

      I think Hudon is still injured; he isn’t listed in game summaries.

      As for Thrower, it could be that he needs a change of scenery, or it could be that he’s still immature and tries to do too much on his own or do things too much his own way. A bit like P.K. Subban his first year and the beginning of last year. Haven’t seen the team and don’t know much about them.

    • HabFab says:

      Hudson is out with a concussion and has been since the 17th.

  16. VJ says:

    For those who went, how was the game live? Impressions of our players? (Other then the lack of goaltending the Dogs have right now….)

    • neumann103 says:

      I didn’t go last night in Hamilton but did see the 5-0 debacle in Toronto last week and even there you could learn some stuff.

      Beaulieu’s skill level is unreal. His skating was at a different level than the other 35 players on the ice. If you dropped someone from Mars into the stands the reaction would be “What is this sliding on frozen water they are doing and why is that one so much better at it?”. His offensive instincts are unbelievable. Watching him get open and create openings on the powerplay was phenomenal. He does rely on his speed and skill to get back into position defensively. When he appears out of nowhere to take away a breakaway it is notable. Of course this also means he gets caught taking chances that he can’t afford to as he adjusts to this level but that will get better with time. People talk about Beaulieu needing to improve his defensive game, but the gaps in Tinordi’s game were more apparent. He was really good at using his size and reah to block passing lanes in his own end,but did get caught running around. I think it was the second goal that reinforced this perception.

      Some of the small to mid-sized guys don’t look that small. Gallagher looked bigger than i expected. I thought the 5’9 listing for him was one of those generous “in heels on his tippy-toes” stats and that he would be Gionta or Desharnais sized. Bournival looked bigger than I expected,especially standing directly next to Leblanc.

      Speaking of Bournival I thought he was one of the more impressive kids in the loss. But they all did a pretty good job of dealing with a 5-0 deficit by just concentrating on winning the next shift. Showed some good character and probably speaks well of Lefevbre’s preparation. And the stand out forwards in the second period were probably Blunden and Boyce, so they are actually delivering that kind of leadership you would expect from the few guys over 24 on the squad.

      Delmas was good in relief. He made 3 really great saves soon after replacing Mayer. Calmed things down for a bit

      Anyhow this is a really skilled and really young team. It will be interesting.

      “Et le but!”

  17. Habfan10912 says:

    According to Dave Stubbs Markov was “winded from a check” and nothing serious.
    Edit: Should have read the headline before posting this. Too many soda pops at the mini summit . CHeers

  18. geo_habsgo says:

    I think the most exciting thing about Bozon is looking at his size. Obviously at 6 feet and 195 pounds he won’t be the biggest guy around in the NHL but he won’t get pushed around. I’m assuming he’ll top off at around 204 once he’s in the NHL full time. Great to see him already playing at an NHL size and being really productive.

    I think he is becoming the prospect I’m most excited about. Fingers crossed that he is able to keep it up!

    • HabFab says:

      He is looking good but check out his team…total domination.

      • geo_habsgo says:

        Yeah he is on a stacked team. I think on a normal team he’d still be a point a game player which is a good sign. Sometimes playing around loads of talent helps develop you as a player as well. The finesse part of the game is hard to learn!

  19. The Cat says:

    I came up with a few famous lookalikes for some nhl players. I know Sports Illustrated has done it before but I came up with these off the top of my head, without checking.


    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  20. Habilis says:

    Ok so here’s how I see it, and someone please correct me if I’m wrong on my math;

    The players are holding out for full value on their contracts, which is about 1.88 billion. The NHL wants 50/50, which would be about 1.65 billion (based on 3.3 billion revenue). This represents a cut of about 12% on the whole or 230 million this year.

    The NHL has now cancelled 25% of the season, and thusly 25% or 470 million of the 1.88 billion. This means that, generally speaking, every player under contract for 2 years or less has already lost more than they are fighting to keep, and it’s still early. By the time the season gets down to say 50 games, roughly 3/5 of the season, the players will have lost about 750 million on what they are owed. A lost season means that any player who’s salary in the 12/13 season is worth more than 12% of the whole of what they are still owed has lost more money sitting out than they would have signing at 50/50.

    How many players are NOT in that category I wonder? Off the top of my head I can come up with a handfull. Guys who signed recently with those huge signing bonuses come to mind like Weber, Suter and Parise, and guys like Crosby, Malkin, Luongo, Dipietro, Gomez maybe? I don’t know the exact number or where to even look for the info other than going through every salary on capgeek, which I ain’t doing. But it’s definitely not the majority, I doubt if it’s even more than 50.

    Last time the players were fighting a huge change (cap) and a huge rollback (24%), and I understood why they stood firm. This time they are fighting for 12% of a much bigger number and it’s just not a fight they can win. Alot of them have basically lost it already. I can’t understand how they don’t see it.

    • JF says:

      Nor can I. And it’s not just money. They lose game-fitness by not playing or by not playing at the NHL level, and it will be very tough to get that back. Meanwhile the next wave, playing in the AHL or in junior, is coming up behind them and will be competing for jobs. After the last lockout, there were more than two hundred players who never found another NHL job. Their careers just ended with no acclaim, no official retirement, no fanfare, just silence. The same will happen this time. No concessions they might win in this fight are worth what they’re losing by not playing.

    • rnnoble says:

      The union is not just representing the current contracts, but future contracts as well. Every contract that is signed in the next X years will be affected by the CBA. The players are sacrificing current income to get a better deal for the future.

      Also, reading the quotes from players, there’s also a lot of talk about respect. From my point of view, that’s the point that I agree with the most. Aside from all the money that’s being thrown around, there seems to be a sense that the players weren’t being treated respectfully by the owners, especially this summer, with all those contracts that were offered. The owners essentially negotiated, agreed to terms to get players to make decisions that affect their careers, their families, and their loved ones, and literally reneged on those agreements a couple of weeks later (days later, in some cases). It’s disingenuous at best.

  21. commandant says:

    Bozon 2 goals 1 assist tonight
    Kristo 3 assists
    Vail 2 assists

    Good nights

    Go Habs Go!
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  22. mark-ID says:

    Ahhh…..the only place Marlies beat the youngens tonight was in nets. Delmas just didn’t make the saves he needed to make. Hopefully desjardins is back sooner then later.

  23. Ron says:

    Close but not close enough. Good game though, they missed LeBlanc abit. Would have helped. Ya gotta love Beaulieu, going to be a good one.

  24. JoeC says:

    OH well, Dejardin needs to come back asap, and the kids are starting to look better, Gallagar had a great game

  25. JoeC says:

    Gotta love how this feed plays commercials but you can hear the announcers talking in the background,,, hahha

  26. Ron says:

    4 – 4 Dumont

  27. JoeC says:

    They posted on the score board welcome HABS inside out, none of this silly hockey insideout

  28. Ron says:

    3 – 3 end of two

  29. Ron says:

    3 – 2 Dogs St Denis on a great pass from Gallagher

  30. habsfan1001 says:

    anybody got a site i can watch the Dods game sounds good

  31. HabInToronto says:

    Gallagher deserved that, Nice Goal

  32. Ron says:

    2 – 2 in 2nd period. Gallagher has 2nd goal

  33. clever.alias says:

    Well… Gallagher got robbed.

  34. habsfan1001 says:

    can’t get it is another one

  35. commandant says:

    Mini summit

    We’re in section 121 row 6 if anyone is here.

  36. Boomer says:

    Anyone have a link for a live video stream of the Dogs game?

  37. Ron says:

    1 – 1 in 1st period. Blunden for Dogs

  38. frontenac1 says:

    Atta boy Gio! Let”er Rip!

  39. Timo says:

    First! AGAIN!!!!

    Man, someone stop me!

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