Enjoy Night 1 of Second Season?

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Flyers’ Daniel Brière wheels past Penguins goalie Marc-André Fleury after his clearly offside goal put Philly on the board to begin their remarkable comeback.
Justin K. Aller, Getty Images

Just a bit of a platform for you to discuss with calm and civility (c’mon, you laughed at that…) the results of last night’s Conference quarterfinal openers – the Flyers roaring back to beat the Penguins in OT; the Predators holding off the Red Wings; and the Canucks falling to the Kings.

Talking points:

• Brière’s offside goal and the late icing waved off in Pittsburgh;
• Shea Weber’s incredible double face-plant into the glass of Henrik Zetterberg at the buzzer in Nashville… suspendable?
• The Canucks’ Olympic-year diving (common thread on the Internet) vs. Los Angeles in Vancouver.

Or, continue on about how the Canadiens are praying at the grave of Frank Selke Sr. for their next GM. Your choice.

855 Comments

  1. oneslowfiveoh says:

    Live in BC. Have tried to make them my 2nd team for the past 16 years. Even my friends who were born here (not many) were pissed with all the diving last night. What is with these guys? Good grief. I don’t care that we gave Lapierre away. I’m still happy I don’t have to look at him in a Habs uniform.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Lived there for 6 years and something about the Canuck Fans or team, just didn’t endear me at all towards them as a secondary team. Last year was the ultimate nightmare with Bruins/Vancouver final, didn’t want either team to win.

      Hopefully no repeat final this year.

  2. HabinBurlington says:

    If the LA Kings go on a roll this playoffs does this then make Lucky Luc a leading candidate? I am not aware of how extensive his role as President of the Kings is when it comes to day to day operations and specifically with player decisions.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Heard his name mentioned a lot but for that matter I’ve heard a lot of names including Habfab and Bripro and Johnbellyful. Tough competition for sure.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I guess you didn’t get the memo, Hab’, I withdrew my name. And Bripro’s and HabFab’s.
        Hmmmm, I guess I should have sent them a memo, too.

  3. habs001 says:

    If you watch the top 15 goalies in the nhl lets say over 20 games there is very little difference…they all make great saves,give up bad goals…may not be fair but because goalies are so close now in talent it comes down to evaluating them based on big game and playoff results…

    • boing007 says:

      Time to trim back the size of their equipment. Gloves that could hold 10 pucks and leg pads about a foot wide. You can hardly see the net anymore.

      Richard R

  4. H.Upmann says:

    I like Eller a lot. He’s got potential. Spent two years rotating under JM and limited ice time, but still proved he can play. Just needs more time and experience.

  5. smiler2729 says:

    Flames, Brent Sutter part ways… whatever… DON’T LEARN FRENCH AND COME HERE.

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • jon514 says:

      Well. I agree with you that he shouldn’t coach here, but, the flames have kicked our ass up and down the ice year after year in recent memory. Remember the Winter Classic? Sutter has at least as bad a team as Montreal under him, yet somehow he squeezed 27 goals out of Bourque…

      “Let’s be clear on the facts…”

    • habstrinifan says:

      I share your view re Sutter.
      I am staying away from your signature.

  6. JohnBellyful says:

    Just as I feared. With no Habs to cheer on deep into the playoffs, it’s going to make for a long, hot summer. Even Draft Day and free agency won’t be enough of a diversion, leaving lots of days free to rehash old animosities, and begin new ones.
    Can’t let that happen, folks. We have to save our vitriol for when it counts, the regular season AND the next post-season, to use against the enemies without, not the enemies, real or perceived, within.
    With that in mind, I’m accepting registrations for the JB Summer Camp for Unhappy Campers. There will be songs, there will be dances, there will be seltzers down you pantses. Happy Meals mornin’, noon and night.
    We’ll turn that snarl 360 degrees and turn it into a grimace.
    By the time camp ends, you’ll be soooo glad to leave that you’ll be itching for the 2012-13 season to start (then again, it could be because of that patch of poison ivy around all the tents; shoulda mentioned that in the brochure).
    And no matter what happens in the months that follow, you’ll think back and say, ‘Hey, it could be worse,” and start humming Ole, Ole, Ole (please, no singing).
    I think the bad memories from the summer just might be enough to get HIO malcontents through another winter of discontent.
    Now, seeing as camp won’t begin until June, I’m launching the JB Book Club, where HIO members are free to recommend a book they believe others will find entertaining and informative. Better yet, amusing.
    Let me be the first to nominate one for your reading pleasure: Lunatics, released in January. No, it’s not about Canadiens’ fans, but it does offer a ray of hope for us who feel we are cogs and nothing more.
    Written by two award-winning humourists, Dave Barry and Alan Zweibel, Lunatics is hee-larious. Good for a laugh or dozens during the lean weeks ahead.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      What’s the ballpark price for such a well run camp?

      • HabFab says:

        More then a jaunt down to Mexico to escape this no play-off hell!!!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Hey, I needed out okay!! Your right no play-off is hell! Still think I’d trade our pick for playoff hockey, only problem is I don’t believe current squad makes any noise, so I am back to liking our 3rd overall pick…. oh the humanity!!!

      • JohnBellyful says:

        I didn’t say it was well run. We’re talking Unhappy Campers, remember? Wouldn’t matter what you did, they’d be unhappy. So if I’m going to put up with that kind of grief, they’re going to have to pay for it: $1,000 a night. Blanket extra.
        I know it’s a bit more than the Summit, but at JB’s Base Camp you get free air fresheners for your car. Yes, you read that right, fresheners. PLURAL.

    • Bripro says:

      Suggestive reading? I’m told (by my daughter) it’s a classic.
      Definitely worth the read!
      Want an instruction manual on how to start a guerrilla radio station?
      Or, as they put it, you want to brush up on your shop-lifting techniques?
      Then you have to pick up “Steal this book” by Abbie Hoffman.
      You want controversial reading? There you go!

    • punkster says:

      I’ll nominate “Lake Wobegon Days” by Garrison Keillor. If you’re from a small town this one will tickle your fancy and bring back memories of those halcyon days. Reminds me of the time Jake Jantzi started the Guess The Spring Thaw Date fund raiser and parked the prize, a brand new ’59 John Deere 430, on the ice for all to see. Unfortunately we had an early spring.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I am very interested in this camp John. Could you please send a brochure?
      I just down loaded your book recommendation on my kindle. Since Oprah retired maybe you can do that book of the month club thing.

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Hope you enjoy, Hab’. I should warn you, there’s some swearing. Okay, there’s a lot of swearing. But not gratuitous swearing. Swearing for comedic effect. And always in character. So if you’re offended by swearing, unload the novel. But if swearing doesn’t bother you and you like great humour, you’ll love this. I swear.

    • GrimJim says:

      Lamb, The Gospel According to Biff, Christ’s Childhood Pal.
      by Chistopher Moore

    • dy4now says:

      Right JB it’s going to be a long hot summer. 435 posts to todays HIO entry, including 10 …. count’em 10 replies to your post. We need some verifiable news from Habland to give us something solid to talk about. It’s like everyone is just waiting for some news…

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Well, gang, thanks for the suggested reading. I’ll have to make a point of looking for the recommended works. I’ve enjoyed Garrison Keillor’s work before. Bill Bryson is a favourite author. Just started reading Arguably, the collection of essays by the late Christoper Hitchens. Figure would help make for stronger, better-thought-out, more eloquent posts. ‘Blow it out your ear,’ I’ve found, has yet to clinch an argument.

  7. McPhee35 says:

    In general, I really like this site, but here’s a quick gripe…

    They change the name from Habs inside out, to HOCKEY inside out, and all season long we look at pictures of the Bruins…

    Now that it’s playoffs, and the Habs are eliminated, the site isn’t updating?! It’s pretty big news that Weber was not suspended. He is making 7.5 million dollars… a $2500 fine to that guy is like me owing my buddy a few bucks! You’d expect the Wings might run a few players of their own… I mean, the league’s not going to help, right? If Weber was some 4th liner or the 6th Dman, he would’ve been given 1-2 games.

    For the record, I much preferred this site as Habs Inside Out, and for that reason, that is still my URL of choice, but as long as it’s HOCKEY inside out… lets get some updates/discussion starters in the form of new blog entries.

  8. Hey guys! These are my predictions for the 2012 NHL playoffs – Conference quarterfinals.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFLUbQa-iE&list=UU2KqI9ckq9S4gw05OqxRWtg&index=1&feature=plcp

    Thoughts, comments, questions, criticism – anything will be appreciated.

  9. Shane1313 says:

    HH, you’re right in a sense – And humour is good! For me in my (somewhat humble :p) opinion, there was a time to make a decision to name Price the guy and that was it. Halak was heroic in that playoff series and I will remember him for that. It’s more annoyance when people go over something Halak did back then because it’s done and there is no reason to re-hash. I don’t believe that Halak will have anything close to the career Price will, but that’s understandably a difficult statement to prove at the time. Halak and Elliot(who went to the all star game as a backup!) Both benefit from a great defense in St.Louis. Nonetheless he is a good goalie and in my opinion Carey is a great goalie that will continue to show it. 2 time All-Star, a lot of accomplishments early in his career. The only funny part I find, is all year Carey was the one good thing especially earlier on, “if not for Carey we’d be out”, but people so quickly forget!! If you look at numbers Price fared well on a 15th place team. Look in the end, only time will tell. I think time will tell that Price is a great goalie.

  10. I don’t know the rest of Habdom, but I am cheering for the latest edition of Habs-south. Go, Preds, Go!

    Ch EJ

    • smiler2729 says:

      Kinda rooting for Ottawa if they get by the Rangers… y’know as the Canadian team.

      Rooting for Los Angeles too, Chicago, Florida or St. Louis…

      Anyone but Boston, Washington, Philly or Vancouver.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  11. dy4now says:

    Just getting on to post now…work all day.
    Cruised the channels last nite in time to see the Pens up 3-0 early and left for bed. Didn’t even think about staying up for the west games … I’m up at 6 to leave for work before 7. Then today I finally see Philly came back, the Nucks lost and the Preds win. It’s gonna be some kind of playoff. Glad I’m not in a pool this year.

  12. dy4now says:

    Apparently a couple of new rules in the book:
    1. No suspension if no injury
    2. It’s not offside if the refs don’t see it

  13. HardHabits says:

    The thing I would like to know is what Halak did to earn all the vindictiveness levied his way. Apart from bringing the Habs deeper in the play-offs than they’ve been since the last Cup win. Unreal how people are just blinded by their supposed love for their team at the expense of hating all those that got traded away. It’s more of the Carey Price is a Sacred Cow Syndrome that shall never be questioned.

    And for those of you who think I hate the Habs KMFA. I am critical yes but it is out of my desire to see them stop embarrassing themselves.

    I’d like to see Price signed for 5-6 years at around 5 million but not with any NTC and even still it is my not so humble opinion that he can’t carry the goal tending load on his own and that the Habs should still be drafting goalies and stop enabling Price to fail further.

    I also think 90% of you need to take a course in How to Have a Sense of Humour. It should be your project this summer. How to lighten up and enjoy life.

    I certainly am. Often at the expense of many of you. :-P

    • Bripro says:

      Thanks for keeping it light. That happy face did it for me!

      • 24 Cups says:

        I posted a little humour first thing this morning (post #1) and some people didn’t even get it.

        Doesn’t :-) mean anything?

        It’s time for golf until the Habs get a new management team.

        • Bripro says:

          It was probably too early in the morning.
          Take my wife, for instance (no….not literally! But then, good luck if you do).
          I digress!
          She’s not a jumpy bouncing morning person. I’ve had to learn not to be, either.

          • HabFab says:

            Actually got burned with that “take my wife” line once. How was I to know a senior member of the family was starting to “lose it”? Said it at a family do, the old fool said “Are you serious?” so he got the smart ass response “Please!”. Next day, he called my wife (ex) and asked for a date. Boy, did I ever get it from the wife, my mother and his wife…still funny though!! Women have no sense of heehaw!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            LOL Oh Frank, I am assuming its okay to laught at that story now.

            CHeers bud!

          • Bripro says:

            :D
            And you didn’t let the date come to fruition?
            Aw shucks! Poor you.

            See now look at Gerry, Frank.
            He did let his wife go out on other dates.
            See? Now he can afford to go to Mexico with Carmen!

            And me? My wife just called. Wants me to meet her in town
            for supper and a movie.
            I’ll never get to meet Carmen….

    • shiram says:

      I like Halak, he seems like a low key nice guy.

    • Aybara says:

      I don’t think Halak did anything to earn any vindictiveness. It’s the reaction of the Halak supporters though that has caused any ire towards him in my opinion. Maybe I’m biased too, but in my eyes the real trashing of goalies began with Halak supporters trashing Price while both were on the team. This led to Price supporters getting their backs up so much to preclude a rational conversation about the two keepers.

      There are obviously jerks on both sides of the debate. It’s just that when it began, it certainly seemed that many of the Halak supporters were so pro-Halak that they would relish a Hab loss because Price was in net. Conversely, many of the Price supporters, save for the likes of Priceberg, were happy that the team was winning with both goalies in net, but thought Price the better choice. There was far less of the “haha Habs lost” from Price supporters compared to Halak supporters.

      This of course built itself into two entrenched camps to the point where there are still hold outs left who despise the other goalie. Kinda sad. People should cheer for the jersey firs and foremost above the player wearing it.

    • smiler2729 says:

      The vindictiveness is not toward Halak himself but at the Halakians that keep championing him every time Price lets in a goal.

      Look, if it were up to me, I’d have kept Halak and Price but with the 2010 playoff heroics (funny we only want to remember the good and not Halak’s bad) and his stupid agent’s semantics, it came down to one or the other and there was no way you could choose Halak over Price.

      I also think Price was rushed to the NHL…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

      • boing007 says:

        Well, St Louis has two good goalies now. Why couldn’t the Habs have done the same? It was a stupid trade. It was also the second time that BG threw Price into the frying pan all by himself without a solid backup goaltender. First Huet, then Halak.

        Richard R

        • ont fan says:

          Don’t think anyone dislikes Halak as a goalie. What people dislike is not letting go after a trade is made. Going back and rehashing trades, Halak, McDonagh, AK, SK, endlessly, or players we let go for nothing is just old news. Just move on.

          • smiler2729 says:

            Amen to that.

            I couldn’t even root for Lafleur dressed in his separatist Nordiques rags back in the late ’80s.

            _______________________________________________
            Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
            Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

        • smiler2729 says:

          It was an awful trade and I’m trying to love Eller but man, Halak should’ve fetched us one of David Perron, TJ Oshie or Alex Pietrangelo!

          I’m rooting for Jaro and the Blues

          _______________________________________________
          Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
          Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • savethepuck says:

      I have nothing against Halak. I thought he served well for the Habs for years. What I do have a problem with, is people on here talking about him like he’s a God. I also don’t have a problem with Guy Boucher either, but I started hating his guts and the Lightening last spring when they made the semis last year because the way everyone on here was talking about him made me want to puke. I support the players and staff of my team. When players leave, I wish them no ill will, but I don’t drool over them like some on here do.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Here here HH. Very well put indeed. Cheers!

  14. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Luc Robitaille in running for Habs GM per Sportsnet.

    Or is that really old news…?

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  15. Mr_MacDougall says:

    Adding Ryan Suter to the Habs should be the would be the most impacting move the “New GM” could do upon his arrival. He played 28+ minutes of great hockey last night.

  16. H.Upmann says:

    Not sure if VAN will make it out of round 1 without Daniel Sedin. They lookeda bit deflated and going through the motions a bit. Should be interesting series between OTT and NY

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Daniel Sedin may have made a difference in one game, but the tic-tac-toe half-speed style of the Sedins was exposed last year, when Kesler was that team’s MVP. They really weren’t close last year having scored 7 goals in 7 games in the finals against the Bruins who scored around 19. Can anyone remember ever seeing either Sedin skate hard, like Crosby-hard?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  17. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    Halak is starting the playoffs, not the backup

  18. Stev.R says:

    How often do non-playoff teams resign players during the playoffs? I don’t remember it happening much, but may be because MTL is usually in the playoffs. I hope we get this GM signed soon so we can get Price and Subban signed.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Resign, to quit.
      Re-sign, to sign again.

      Two words, two meanings, just sayin’…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

      • HabFab says:

        Cantankerous day :)

        • smiler2729 says:

          I don’t want to contribute to the dumbing down of society, now do I?

          _______________________________________________
          Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
          Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Quit is a synonym for “resign,” however resign is not a synonym for quit. The definition of resign is “to voluntarily leave a job or other position.” The definition of quit is “to stop, cease, or discontinue.”

        • smiler2729 says:

          Yeah, I was going for the simple, ya know what I mean?

          _______________________________________________
          Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
          Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  19. habs-fan-84 says:

    Weber is a great player, and a favourite of mine but that is a suspension; however, if you listened to Bob Mackenzie last night you knew it wasn’t going to be. It is absolutely beyond me why the injury (if any) is taken into as much consideration as it is.

    First Keith, and now Weber, I hope these two great players don’t go any further down that road.

    • habs12 says:

      Basically players can still take head shots as long as they don’t injure the guy? Got it…

      • Phil C says:

        Exactly, its called roughing.

        51.1 Roughing – Roughing is a punching motion with the hand or fist, with or without the glove on the hand, normally directed at the head or face of an opponent.
        Roughing is a minor altercation that is not worthy of a major penalty to either participant. (An altercation is a situation involving two players, with at least one to be penalized).

  20. Phil C says:

    There is no way the NHL is going to suspend a star player (Weber) on a play during the playoffs where the other player (Zetterberg) was not hurt. See the Down Goes Brown NHL Suspension Flow Chart for a more detailed explanation of how suspensions work in the playoffs:

    http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html

    • Michael says:

      Chris Pronger was suspended twice during the Ducks’ championship postseason. I don’t recall if his victims were injured. It’s not just that Weber is a star player, it’s that Nashville is a failing franchise and suspending Weber could do nothing but advance its inevitable relocation.

  21. Mattyleg says:

    Sorry in advance, I hate posting lists, but this might be a bit of a conversation starter:
    EA has posted the 32 players that might grace the cover of NHL13.
    There are a few bums in there, and some perhapses… and PK!!

    Anaheim Ducks: Corey Perry
    Boston Bruins: Tyler Seguin
    Buffalo Sabres: Thomas Vanek
    Calgary Flames: Mikael Backlund
    Carolina Hurricanes: Jeff Skinner
    Chicago Blackhawks: Patrick Sharp
    Colorado Avalanche: Matt Duchene
    Columbus Blue Jackets: R.J. Umberger
    Dallas Stars: Jamie Benn
    Detroit Red Wings: Pavel Datsyuk
    Edmonton Oilers: Jordan Eberle
    Florida Panthers: Stephen Weiss
    Los Angeles Kings: Anze Kopitar
    Minnesota Wild: Mikko Koivu
    Montreal Canadiens: P.K. Subban
    Nashville Predators: Pekka Rinne
    New Jersey Devils: Ilya Kovalchuk
    New York Islanders: John Tavares
    New York Rangers: Henrik Lundqvist
    Ottawa Senators Erik Karlsson
    Philadelphia Flyers: Claude Giroux
    Phoenix Coyotes: Shane Doan
    Pittsburgh Penguins: Evgeni Malkin
    St. Louis Blues: T.J. Oshie
    San Jose Sharks: Logan Couture
    Tampa Bay Lightning: Steven Stamkos
    Toronto Maple Leafs: Phil Kessel
    Vancouver Canucks: Henrik Sedin
    Washington Capitals: Brooks Laich
    Winnipeg Jets: Evander Kane
    Eastern Conference Wild Card: Scott Hartnell
    Western Conference Wild Card: David Perron

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  22. Chuck says:

    Two situations came up in last night’s Pens/Flyers game that lead directly to many of us have been calling for video review and automatic icing.

    Video review should be available for all plays leading up to a goal. Last night, if the linesman makes the correct call (offside) then there clearly would have been no goal; in that instance the offside should be reviewable.

    As for the late icing call leading to that Pens goal, calling automatic icings like they do in international hockey takes the ambiguity out of the play; players wouldn’t have to use their judgement on how the linesman would use HIS judgement.

    ___________________________________________________
    Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • pmaraw says:

      nah, theres enough review. gotta allow some human element, or error, in the game

      • Michael says:

        Why? The league has the ability to get the calls right. There is no reasonable cause to prefer preservation of bad calls.

        • pmaraw says:

          its the same reason they only review home runs in baseball. if we go your route, robots will be calling the games soon

          • Michael says:

            Not robots, just humans working with the benefit of high-definition cameras and extra deliberation time. I just can’t see any logical reason the league would not want to do everything in its power to get the calls right. We’re only talking about scoring plays presently, so excessive delay of games is not really an issue. If I were a referee, I would want more video review because it would take the pressure off of me and alleviate me of criticism should I make an on-ice error.

          • pmaraw says:

            and basically you would be out there doing nothing. also theres a lot of play sometimes that leads up to the goal, which can make reviewing a goal time consuming and maybe take intensity out of the game. I just dont think its a good idea to start reviewing everything. however, this would be a good time to bring up the coaches challenge scenario like in the nfl.

          • Michael says:

            There is another option. Rather than resorting to video review all the time, they could compliment the on-ice officials with live video officiating. For instance, rather than relying on linesmen who are often unable to get into position to accurately judge offsides plays (not to mention scrambling, often unsuccessfully, to get out of the way of players and pucks), there could be cameras fixed along the blue lines with linesmen monitoring them with flawless perspective, able to remotely whistle the play dead as soon as a play goes offside. No video review, no delay of game, and vastly heightened accuracy.

          • Keener_7 says:

            what if the guy watching the live video sneezes as the play is crossing the blue line?

            There is always going to be mistakes made when calling a game, its just something that teams need to fight through. I do like the coaches challenge idea though.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Video review would’ve been handy last night to locate the invisible Evgeni Malkin…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Top priority then would be to reverse umpire Jim Joyce’s blown call and give Armando Galarraga the perfect game he pitched. Sorry for the non-hockey talk, but I am an Expos fan……. Oh Yeah……doh!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Malreg says:

      The problem becomes what if there is a missed off-side, but a goal is only scored 1 minute later? How do you draw the line?

    • Habshire says:

      How about letting players call offside. The play is immediately whistled dead and a review takes place. If the player is wrong he gets a 2 minute delay of game penalty or a penalty shot is awarded in the case of a break-away.

    • Habshire says:

      By the way, the referee was on the line and apparently saw the offside but is not allowed to overrule the linesman. They could at least change that.

  23. Michael says:

    The failure to suspend Shea Weber represents an egregious dereliction of duty on Shanahan’s part. He started the season well, but his decisions became more puzzling as the year progressed. I smell a rat here. Nashville is one of the failing franchises and suspending Weber could not possibly help revive it, to say the least. The rule book explicitly puts the onus of player discipline on the commissioner. Gary Bettman can delegate his duty however he likes, but the fact is that the NHL’s borderline-criminal negligence of player safety is constitutionally his fault, and, I suspect, will continue as long as he holds the office of NHL commissioner.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      When Clarence Campbell was NHL commissioner, which was a LONG tenure, Wayne Maki and Ted Green had a vicious stick swinging fight in which Green had his skull fractured, I think around 1969. Both were convicted of criminal assault but received no jail time. I don’t recall any major suspension then. Montrealers, forgive me any my lapse in memory, but was Rocket Richard suspended for the remainder of the infamous Richard Riots playoffs for shoving a referee? Dale Hunter got 20 games for sucker checking Pierre Turgeon after Turgeon scored a ?game winning goal. Tom Lysiak got 12 games for purposely tripping a linesman after a faceoff. Don Murdoch of the Rangers got 40 games for his conviction for cocaine possession. Sorry for the meander down suspension memory lane.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Michael says:

        The Rocket broke two sticks over an opponent’s head and punched a referee. The ref was trying to restrain him while a Bruin treated him like a heavy punching bag, the Rocket thought he was being double-teamed by two Bruins, spun around, and clocked the ref.

        But don’t apologize, that was an excellent meander! Of course, recent incidents might be a bit more relevant presently, but those were interesting references nevertheless!

        • LafleurGuy says:

          Good info! Somehow didn’t know Rocket cracked his stick over the other guy’s presumably helmetless melon.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • LafleurGuy says:

            Wow! Wikipedia didn’t have the answer! Wayne Maki and Ted Green (not the brother Chico). 13 game suspension for Green who underwent surgery. “30 days” for the uninjured Wayne Maki, which would be around 12 games!

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Michael says:

            Not only did he crack his stick over Hal Laycoe’s head, but he skated to the bench to retrieve a new stick and then proceeded to crack that over his head too. This was all instigated by Laycoe two-hand slashing Maurice in the forehead, creating a gash that required five stitches. No penalty was assessed for the slash.

      • Bripro says:

        I’m too young to remember the Richard incident, but I clearly remember Green’s. It was so graphic on our B&W TV.
        Not only did Maki hit him over the head, he split his head wide open.
        I don’t know that Green returned to play after that, but I recall an interview not long after, and he had a hard time pronouncing his words.
        As a boy playing hockey 24/7, it was the first incidence for me that put the question of real violence into hockey.

  24. Bripro says:

    I love the way Larry Brooks summed it up on Twitter.
    “Message from the NHL: You can drive a player’s head into the glass but you can’t curse in a post-game press conference.”

    • Bripro says:

      Wrong spot…sorry!

    • Chuck says:

      Well hey, you don’t want to set a bad example for all of the kiddies that might be watching!

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • Chuck says:

      And apparently, some hand gestures are suspendable, while others are not. We all remember Wizniewski’s ‘suck on a lollipop’, which got him booted, yet Ference’s one-fingered salute to the Montreal faithful wasn’t deemed worthy of suspension.

      I mist have missed the chapter in the rulebook that defined the relative differences between offensive hand gestures.

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

  25. LafleurGuy says:

    Good posts with meat TN, and Chris. Good link to Go Ahead, Make My Day links B.P. When the Devils were dominant with their two Stanley Cup wins, Petr Sykora and Jay Pandolfo were two names from those draft years who stood out. Whereas Sykora was chosen 18th, we had TWO 1st round picks that year, and took Matt Higgins 8th, and Eric Chouinard 13th. The year before, Habs selected Terry Ryan 7th overall.

    Around then, I stopped racing to the United Cigar Store to try to scoop up paper copies of the Montreal Gazette in Oakville before other Canadiens-Expos fans did. They were one day old copies.
    “May you live in interesting times.”

  26. TomNickle says:

    Smiler makes a good point about discipline by praising Roger Goodell.

    I’m of the belief that Goodell has been strict with regard to player safety due to lawsuits coming from former players about concussions and player safety.

    Perhaps the answer to how the NHL can become a reasonably safe hockey league where discipline is actually handled appropriately lies in a potential class action lawsuit from former and current players. Nothing speaks to the league office like dollars and cents. Having to prove they’re serious about player safety and reckless abandon to a court of law may be the only way to rectify the situation.

    • smiler2729 says:

      And he acts instantly instead of humming and hawing forever.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  27. TomNickle says:

    I have no problem with Shanascam not suspending Weber. I feel it would have again rewarded inciting reactions like Weber’s, Keith’s and others.

    But to be honest the real reason is optics. Shanascam couldn’t possibly suspend Weber for an act that was inflicted on a Red Wing player.

    He’s meted out discipline with friends in mind all season long so at this point he couldn’t in good conscience discipline Weber after having retaliated to Zetterberg. He gave Quincey a joke suspension and gave Malone nothing.

    He put himself in this position.

    • smiler2729 says:

      I think it was more the GMs telling him to cool it with the Shanabans… maybe he’s been bought and sold.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  28. Laramy87 says:

    Markov and our 3rd overall pick to Edmonton for a 1st and a prospect and we take Yakupov….

    ya? hahha

  29. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    aaaand… that’s why I didn’t pick any PHI/PITT or DET/NAS players in my playoff pool…

    Really looking forward to the Rangers/Ottawa game tonight and Chicago/Phoenix. Watch out for Chicago, if they can get some goaltending.

    Such a crapshoot.

    Was just watching some Filip Forsberg vids… I’m convinced he’s the man the Habs want at #3 this summer (assuming NY has gone)…

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

    • Bripro says:

      I’m hoping for a long haul for the Hawks also.
      Corey Crawford is from my home town and one of my nephew’s best friends. He’s really a great kid, and I hope he goes far.

  30. Psycho29 says:

    I dreamt that the Habs named Don Cherry as the new GM, and he hired Mike Milbury as coach and PJ Stock as assistant coach…
    Jack Fraud was the new Travel Secretary, but he wasn’t allowed to book flights into the States.

    That’s the last time I eat chili just before going to bed ;-)

    • Bripro says:

      It’s called a nightmare!
      Cherry’s suit hatched over Easter and Milbury has been asked to inaugurate the re-opening of Montreal’s Douglas Mental Institute.
      He refused…they planned on keeping him.
      Jack Fraud….me liketh!

  31. PureGuava says:

    Enough of this real hockey talk – I can’t wait to see the 12 new masks Carey will unveil next season!

    • Psycho29 says:

      You mean the ones he sells and all the money goes to charity?

      • K-hab25 says:

        Ya that really pisses off the Carey haters. It really is sad how these Habs “fans” try and eat their own. I mean it’s for charity, yet the same group of 5 to 10 guys, try to make it out to be a selfish thing on Prices part. Makes you wonder.

        Proud Pricebot since 2006/2007

      • RGM says:

        Don’t forget all the time that he personally–not David Arrigo and not Dave Gunnarsson–invests in designing the masks all by himself. That’s time he could spend practicing or working on being more than just an average goalie with the 20th best SV% or whatever.

        ———————–
        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
        “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

        Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          Must be easy to critique how someone else could be spending their time and be better at their job by spending less time to do the things they enjoy. So why are you browsing the internet at 1:49 pm on a weekday?

  32. HFX-HabFan says:

    No suspension for Weber, a $2500 fine and a slap on the wrist. I think he would have been suspended a game or two had Zetterberg actually been hurt.

    • Chuck says:

      No surprise there…

      ___________________________________________________
      Being a Hab fan is like buying real estate: only over the long-haul will you appreciate the true value of your investment.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The NHL is ridiculous. It really will take until someone dies or is a quadraplegic before they change.

      The sad thing is that the biggest topics of discussion are pre-eminently thuggery, officiating and discipline related. Not spectacular goals or anything.

      Way to sell the game I love NHL.

      What if the band you love had to play concerts against 12 or 15 other people messing with the soundboard, disconnecting wires, and detuning the guitars? How would that sound? But the NHL thinks those 12 or 15 muckers are more important and need to be protected more than the three or four musicians.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Spectacular goals? You’re living in the past man. Might as well bring back sideburns and arenas not named after corporations.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        I dunno… the NHL made a pretty strong statement by suspending Rome for the rest of the SC Finals after his unquestionably and horrific hit on Nathan Horton… They clearly had player safety in mind there…

    • smiler2729 says:

      Pretty pathetic, pretty embarrassing for the league, if only we had a commissioner that had the balls of Roger Goodell

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    Greetings from Mexico! Have we hired a GM yet?

    Buenos Tardes everyone!

  34. Bripro says:

    I’ll try this again…ever tried typing in a post, submitting it and nothing shows up?

    For all you tankers, prognosticators, determined clashers and bashers, here’s something to lighten the mood a little.

  35. Chris says:

    I’ve watched the Zetterberg-Shanahan thing a bunch of times this morning. My take…

    The Zetterberg hit happens all the time. I did not see direct contact to the head, although his arm may have ridden up Weber’s back and made contact with his head by the end of the play. Defencemen (including Weber) frequently hit with their arms high such that the point of contact is the upper back and the follow through often comes into the opposing player’s head. This was really not that different. The only grounds I can see for Weber’s reaction was that with less than 5 seconds remaining, he perhaps felt the hit was overly aggressive.

    That being said, Weber’s reaction was absolutely stunning in its stupidity. Did it hurt Zetterberg? Probably not, although I agree it could have. (I think Zetterberg tried to sell it, and that might mitigate any punishment that Weber gets). But Weber’s reaction was so demonstrably outside the bounds of “a hockey play” that I would be a little suprised if he’s not sitting for a game or two. Just an idiotic play.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Wait, what did Zetterberg do to Shanahan now?!

    • twilighthours says:

      Stupid in what regard? If it was to tell Zetterberg that he’s going to take a lot of abuse (a la Marchand/Sedins) then it served a distinct purpose. I don’t think Zetterberg is soft like the Sedins, but if this is the game Weber is going to play then I guess we will find out.

      • Chris says:

        Stupid in that he has to do it more subtly. That was one of the least subtle retaliations I’ve ever seen. Hockey players are very adept at getting revenge in more clandestine ways that give Brendan Shanahan, who is so spineless that he looks for any reason to avoid doling out punishment to stars, an “out”.

        But on this one, it is pretty hard to disguise it. He grabbed another hockey player’s head and tried to ram it into the glass.

        Contact to the head? Check.
        Not a hockey play? Check.
        Retaliation? Check.

        If Weber does get a game or two, then it was absolutely stupid to “send a message” to Zetterberg. Weber is a key cog for the Predators…he should not be in the business of sending messages.

    • TomNickle says:

      I can’t speak to Weber’s intent but I would imagine that he felt that Zetterberg going high on him with the forearm and maybe the hit itself was unnecessary at that point. Needing a goal with under five seconds left and after having lost the faceoff playing the body at that point serves no purpose.

      I felt that Zetterberg was targeting Weber’s head with the forearm. I don’t want to see Weber suspended because I feel it justifies what Zetterberg did, much like Keith/Sedin.

      • Aybara says:

        Very different. Sedin’s shoulder hits Keith directly in the head while also being blindside. We obviously disagree as to the position of Zetterberg’s arm though so that’s a moot point.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Hey Chris! See the research TN did below. Good meaty stuff. Just trying to nudge you into posting some of the great data you often produce. Yesterday, I found out that two of this year’s playoff ‘tenders were taken in Carey’s draft year, Ondrej Pavelec in the 2nd round I think, and Jonathan Quick who definitely was taken in the 3rd round. Thought that would poke the bear, but it seems a lot of posters can only name 3 goalies in the league (poke, poke….)

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  36. commandant says:

    The top American Defenceman available in this year’s draft. For the paranoid we’ll go off the board types.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/04/12/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-7-jacob-trouba/

    Go Habs Go!

  37. New says:

    Zetterberg is one smart hockey player. If you watch him play closely he can take you out so smoothly that everyone is left thinking he hardly touched the guy. Then everybody excuses him with “he didn’t mean to do that”. Over and over again.

    I think it was Larry Robinson who once said that you don’t have to hit a guy hard you just have to take him out of the play. Zetterberg knows that and he is smart and mean. Weber pointed that out to him and since Detroit has the NHL on speed dial you know what the outcome will be.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Gill was great at that.
      Never a big hitter, but it seemed like opponents could never disentangle themselves from his mass of limbs.
      He very very rarely ever got holding or interference calls against him.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  38. TomNickle says:

    According to Pierre Lebrun the Habs have reached out to the Red Wings about Jim Nill for the GM job. I’m sure that will make a lot of people happy. I’m against Nill getting serious consideration because I’m of the belief that the Wings being lauded for their draft record is nothing but smoke in mirrors.

    I decided to research Jim Nill’s drafts from 1997 through 2008. I did so to evaluate the kinds of drafts he’s had and left out the last three drafts to be fair and allow for player development.

    So during that time Nill drafted 85 players. 17 have become NHL players and of those 17 only five are currently top six forwards, top four defensemen or a starting goalie with the Wings and one of them was lost and then re-acquired by trading a first round pick(Kyle Quincey).

    Three of them no longer play for the Wings(Petr Sykora, Tomas Fleischmann and Shawn Matthias).

    I decided to dig a little deeper too. I would define an average draft as one where you select two players that become complimentary players or one top six forward, top four defenseman or starting goalie. I would define a good draft as one where you find one core player and two role players and a great draft as one where you find two of each or two core players and one role player.

    In 2001, 2008 and arguably 2007 the Red Wings did not find a single regular NHL player. I say arguably for 2007 because Brendan Smith was their only selection that has played in the NHL.

    In 97, 99, 2000, 2002 they found only one NHL player with Sykora, Zetterberg, Kronwall and Franzen being the selections. Every other selection from each of those drafts has been a bust.

    In 98, 03 and 06 they found two NHL players in each. They were Jiri Fischer, Pavel Datsyuk – Jimmy Howard, Kyle Quincey – Shawn Matthias – Jan Mursak.

    In 2002 and 2005 they selected three players who became NHLers. Fleischmann, Filpulla and Ericsson in 02 and Kindl, Abdelkader and Helm in 05.

    By my criteria and it is in no way a standard they’ve had 8 average to below average drafts, 3 bad drafts and 1 well above average draft.

    They’ve landed stars since his arrival in Datsyuk and Zetterberg. But have drafted none since 1999.

    Also of the 85 selections Nill has made, and astounding 51 of them have been from Eastern Europe, Sweeden and Finland which lends credence to the opinion that if you base the majority of your draft around those areas you should be finding some diamonds in the rough.

    So Nill has accounted for the following players being selected by the Red Wings. Sykora, Fischer, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall, Filpulla, Fleischmann, Ericsson, Howard, Quincey, Franzen, Kindl, Abdelkader, Helm, Matthias, Mursak and Smith.

    Now I ask myself. Where would the Detroit Red Wings be today without Nicklas Lidstrom? The answer is very likely not in the playoffs.

    I don’t want a guy who has a bad draft record and focuses his draft outside of the area where the best players are produced by volume in the World running this ship. But that’s just me.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Nill isn’t interested anyway, I caught that on Twitter via Stubbs/Farber a couple hours earlier this morning.

    • Malreg says:

      You don’t have to worry.

      Renaud P Lavoie ‏ @RenLavoieRDS
      Like my friend @Real_ESPNLeBrun report Det Jim Nill’s was on the Canadiens list, but he wants to stay with the Red Wings.

      @Real_ESPNLeBrun: … Wings have never allowed any team to talk to asst GM Jim Nill and I doubt that changes #Habs

    • BJ says:

      Enjoyed your 5 cents worth TomNickle (pun intended). Very interesting analysis, thanks for doing the leg work. I thought your research was good enough to submit to Molson. If you find a way to email him do it. I’m serious.

    • Chris says:

      To play devil’s advocate a little…

      Over the time period you selected (1997-2008), the Red Wings were frequently trading away draft picks for veterans. As such, the Red Wings had only 5 of their 12 first round picks: Jiri Fischer (25th in 1998), Nicklas Kronwall (29th in 2000), Jakub Kindl (19th in 2005), Brendan Smith (27th in 2007) and Thomas McCollum (30th in 2008).

      Of that list, Fischer was on the way to becoming a solid player for the Red Wings until heart issues cut short his career at age 25. Nicklas Kronwall is as good or better than any defenceman on the Montreal Canadiens, in my opinion. So I wouldn’t say they’ve done too badly given how late they draft. The jury is still out on Kindl (although he hasn’t done much) and McCollum (who has disappointed in the AHL after a stellar OHL career).

      They drafted in the first, second or third rounds 25 times over those 12 years. By contrast, Montreal drafted 35 times in the first three rounds over the same time period, including 13 times in the first round. Philadelphia, another team given much credit for their drafting, drafted 33 times in the first three rounds, including 10 times in the first round.

      Some corrections:

      The 1997 Petr Sykora is not the more famous Petr Sykora currently playing for New Jersey…he was drafted 18th overall by the Devils in 1995.

      The 2000 draft also yielded Tomas Kopecky, who has played over 400 games in the NHL and is currently with the Florida Panthers.

      The 2002 draft was not bad, as you point out later in your post.

      You claim they haven’t drafted any “stars” other than Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Define stars? Has Montreal drafted any stars over the same time period?

      Kronwall would be a top-4 defenceman for any team in the NHL. Few defenders match his combination of physical play and ability to produce points. Essentially, he is a slightly less flamboyant P.K. Subban.

      Jimmy Howard has finished as one of the best statistical goaltenders in the NHL in 2 of the past 3 seasons. He has played behind some good teams, but he’s still posted numbers that rival those of Carey Price.

      Since 2007-08, there aren’t too many power forwards that have produced more consistently than Johan Franzen, who has scored 27-34 goals per season. He has consistently done what Pacioretty finally did this season.

      Darren Helm is one of the premier defensive forwards in the NHL.

      I agree that the Red Wings draft record is often overstated, but I think you are taking the opposite extreme. The Red Wings, given their typical drafting position have actually done reasonably well. On this year’s roster, Nill was at least partially responsible (Hakan Andersson actually deserved much more credit, I suspect) for the drafting of:

      Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Johan Franzen, Darren Helm, Justin Abdelkader, Valtteri Filppula, Jiri Fischer, Nicklas Kronwall, Jonathan Ericsson, Jakub Kindl, Cory Emmerton and Jim Howard. That is 12 regulars on a team that finished near the top of the league standings.

      Contrast that with the Montreal Canadiens, who are justifiably regarded as one of the better drafting teams in the NHL. They had 9 regulars (players who played more than 40 games) that were drafted by the team, 10 if you count Ryan White who missed much of the season due to injuries. And they finished third worst in the league.

      The Red Wings have drafted well enough to preserve their place at the top of the standings despite the loss of a generation of elite players in the late 1990’s (Fedorov, Yzerman, Konstantinov, Shanahan). That’s an important piece of information if one wants to assess their managment team fairly. They trade many of their picks away, recognizing that a draft pick is a hope and a dream of a good player, and in exchange pick up proven commodities.

      • TomNickle says:

        Thank you for the correction on Sykora. I simply put didn’t even think to look at New Jersey though I was surprised when I read the selection.

        To be fair I don’t weigh first round selections as highly as I perhaps should due to the large number of “busts” coming from that round in the nineties through the middle of the last decade. But having said that. Hitting on less than one of every four selections is not the kind of draft guru that should be sought after.

        Trading the first round picks does mitigate the results to a small degree but they’ve had a horrendous record with second round picks with Fleischmann, Howard and Abdelkader being the only notables in over a decade. They have traded a fair amount of second round picks too but they haven’t been anywhere near above average in the drafting department(Nill’s baby).

        Edit: Stars I would consider to be elite players. All-stars. It’s been a very long time since Detroit drafted a star or elite player.

        The Habs have since drafted Subban, Pacioretty and Price and have found multiple players from almost every draft over the same amount of time.

        I don’t feel that scouting is an issue holding this team back. I believe very strongly that player development and a shrewd mentality are the biggest things missing from the GM seat here.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Knew you would come up with this brilliant data. In perusing old draft lists discovered Darren Helm was taken in the sixth or seventh round when Matt D’Agostini was taken in the 6th, and Sergei Kostitsyn was taken in the 7th (2005). Think Helm’s wrist was cut by Weber’s skate last night.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  39. boing007 says:

    Shea Weber’s incredible double face-plant into the glass of Henrik Zetterberg at the buzzer in Nashville… suspendable?

    Yes. The rest of the First Round.

    Richard R

  40. Dr.Rex says:

    The following are a list of events that are likely to occur before Pierre McGuire becomes a GM in the NHL:

    – Eklund admits his only source is Nick Kypreos.
    – Cristiano Ronaldo stops wearing make up during matches
    – Cherry campaigns the Leafs to select Filip Forsberg
    – Jack Todd writes a sensible article
    – Luongo is given the key to the city in vancouver
    – Mike Milbury gets a new hairstyle and wedgies PJ Stock
    – Tony ROmo wins NFL MVP
    – Kato Kaelin wins an oscar

  41. The Dude says:

    So when Halak wins the Stanley Cup this year they’re gonna eat CROW HERE OR WHAT!yeah baby….lol

  42. Timo says:

    Was probably discussed but I really loved the tweet from Kings after last night victory. They are clearly not familiar with the concept of karma but funny nonetheless.

  43. Bripro says:

    Pierre LeBrun posted this morning that Detroit’s Jim Nill was a GM candidate for the Habs, but has chosen to stay where he is.
    And Michael Farber took it one step farther in saying that he wanted no part of the Habs organization.
    So he has declined, as have Damphousse and Pat Brisson.
    Is the team having a hard time attracting qualified candidates, or is it just a case of bad timing?

    • Timo says:

      Maybe if Mtl’s mess scares them they are not THAT qualified.

    • mb says:

      I don’t know… Maybe it has something to do with Savard having a too important role?

    • mrhabby says:

      damphouse , brisson, nills names where out there just for show..they were not real candidates as far as iam concerned…nothing to get all concerned about.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      IF Jim Nill wants to live life being a second fiddle then that is his choice. HE might as well just put on a liatard costume of Robin when he goes to work.

    • New says:

      It will get worse yet. The media will begin robo-dialing during the supper hour and reporting that so far “92” of the 17000 people contacted have not been approached by the Habs exhaustive search for a GM. The remaining 16908 either had no comment, disengaged before the question could be asked, or could not be reached. Then HIO will have 635 comments about how Savard and Molson aren’t serious mixed with 400 odd reporting how Patrick Roy is the only choice. Two Toronto fans will call for Martin to be GM.

  44. smiler2729 says:

    Over the years (I’ve been on HIO since it was HABS Inside/Out in ’07), a lot of good posters have disappeared from here cuz of the constant and overpowering BS of the types that insist that black is white and white is black.

    I miss those guys that talked hockey and had intelligent takes on things… this place has just collapsed into kindergarten combat.

    It’s not worth saying sh*t here anymore…
    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • Bill says:

      Honestly, I remember people saying the same thing after a year, haha. There are always good posters here, and they are typically surrounded by fools. It’s the internet, dude!

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • smiler2729 says:

        True.

        _______________________________________________
        Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
        Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          “More geese than swans,
          More fools than wise.”

          Partout. Think of where you work, where your partner works. Think of your Grade 9 class.

          Btw, I love that you blast Jack Edwards with every post!

          Cheers

          • smiler2729 says:

            Jack Edwards is a baboon’s ass, he’s an insult to hockey fans… Doesn’t know his butt from his piehole…

            I’m being nice.
            _______________________________________________
            Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
            Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • HardHabits says:

      Pot meet kettle.

  45. Bob_Sacamano says:

    Yes Boone, I did. I still can´t stand Mike Richards but I really want the Kings to beat the Canucks. Doughty and Kopitar are my favourite non-Habs players and Vigneault might be free to join Montreal if the Canucks are eliminated in the first round.

    BTW: Vancouver had their chance last season and after blowing it against the scum of the league I hope I´ll never see them again in a Stanley Cup final…

  46. Bripro says:

    Wow…some impressive arguments/counter arguments all to do about nothing on this site this morning.
    Some people forgot their Timmy’s!
    Some forgot their meds…arguing with themselves or starting an argument where there is none.
    It’s going to be a looooong summer.
    At least if we could take it out on Gomer, or PG….but they’re both gone, in one form or another.
    But it’s truly refreshing to see that some are attempting the diplomatic route….
    Wait, no they’re not!
    Yes they are!

    Oh oh, it’s contagious!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      It is NOT contagious! What do you know about my meds? STFU! Gomez has nothing to do with it. It was a great thread til you came along!

      • Bripro says:

        ?
        Is there supposed to be a sarcastic face attached to your post?
        STFU…..? Really?
        On the off-chance it’s not sarcastic, I post about Meds because I have to dish them out every morning. Trust me, I know all about them.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          My bad! Not quite ironic enough!
          And I’m too old to attach faces!
          In truth, I was attempting to express solidarity with you over a grumpy Riverview who must have got out of the proverbial wrong side first morning into the playoffs.
          My bad.
          Cheers

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Hey, B.P.! Respect your opinions and you had wise words yesterday. I had and have no intention of denouncing Patrick Roy, just a reflex inclusion of his involvement in the rampant domestic violence phenomenon when other posters sneered at V. Damphousse’s trouble with this type of violence. Meanwhile, other posters chimed in with their “simple” wisecracks about blackeyes on icegirls. Anyway, the main point is, this and all websites ARE media, and just like athletes and other celebrities causing unwanted controversy by what they tweet and whatnot, I, as a non-celebrity will still think twice in what I put out there in the public. Thanks B.P. Gonna write a poem now……

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  47. FanCritic says:

    The team I’d be scared of would be St. Louis. They are a well balanced team and could go all the way but I must admit I picked Pittsburgh to win it all. St.Louis was my second choice.

  48. habsfan0 says:

    Can you imagine if Briere’s offside goal was in OT of Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final?

    In the NFL, all scoring plays in the playoffs are automatically reviewed.

    Perhaps it’s time to do the same thing in the NHL.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      I agree that there should be some sort of review or at least allow a challenge on a goal.

    • Habshire says:

      The problem is if Briere is offside and then it takes 40 seconds to score the goal should the goal still be disallowed?

    • Aybara says:

      The Pens first (i believe?) goal was the result of a botched icing call so it all comes out in the wash.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Video review is way overdue in the NHL. On scoring plays, sure, but more importantly to call all the goonery and cheap shots that happen during the game. There’s no need for the players to police themselves, that degenerates into recklessness as we saw already last night (Shea Weber on Henrik Zetterberg, Nicklas Grossman on Sidney Crosby, after a goal and whistle, twice with the crosschecks, thumbs up playoff hockey boosters). We have the technology, let’s use it.

      ———————————
      How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  49. Dave Stubbs says:

    Habs tell me this morning they’ll take the ice off the floor of the Bell Centre on Monday. So it wasn’t merely a nightmare after all…

    Dave Stubbs

    Hockey Inside/Out
    Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
    • On Twitter: twitter.com/habsinsideout1
    • Email: dstubbs@montrealgazette.com

  50. Mattyleg says:

    I have one thing to say to everyone who is feeling argumentative today!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Bripro says:

      Your octave frequency seems a little higher than usual.
      Did you already have this argument with someone who took it out on your couillons?

      • Mattyleg says:

        Which one?
        Seems like everyone’s up for fisticuffs!
        No, I’m not feeling tender. My couilles are in fine form.
        (last time I checked… 1998 or so…)

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  51. HardHabits says:

    WTF? No line combos or NHL12 trades today. Lets hear about how the Habs are only a few pieces away. C’mon people. Let’s show the world just how out of touch with reality true Habs fans really are.

  52. HFX-HabFan says:

    from Twitter:

    Zurich’s CEO Peter Zahner told Swiss media that Zurich is not considering letting Hartley leave before his deal is up after next season.

    the plot thickens (or thins, depending on your preferences)

  53. smiler2729 says:

    The dogs are out.

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  54. TomNickle says:

    More than anything in hockey today, concussions, fights, conflicts of interest at the league executive level and kindergarten rules that reward teams for losing hockey games, the thing that bothers me most is the player who inflicts a dirty hit on somebody else, receives retribution and then plays the victim card.

    Last night Henrik Zetterberg targeted the head of Shea Weber as play concluded by driving both of his arms to the back of Weber’s head when he had his back turned, facing the boards with the puck in his feet. Weber’s response was to punch Zetterberg and then run his head into the boards. After the game Nick Lidstrom and some teammates took issue with Weber’s reaction and hinted that supplemental discipline should come. When a play like Savard/Cooke or Richards/Booth happens I agree there should be supplemental discipline. In this case, absolutely not. To suspend Shea Weber would be to reward Zetterberg for trying to injure him.

    This kind of spoiled brat behaviour from the Wings isn’t new. They apparently were less than professional regarding Radulov’s return to the NHL and have been hounding the league office about realignment for quite some time.

    There was a time when I expected more from that organization, that time has long since passed.

    • smiler2729 says:

      I agree now if they’d only drop the instigator rule, players would police themselves and Zetterberg would’ve been taken care of way before Weber could do anything…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • punkster says:

      Come on Tom. Suspend them both. Both hits/shots to the head were illegal and could have resulted in serious injury. You don’t want to keep the wild west mentality in the game do you? Suspending only one or neither does nothing to clean this crap out of the game.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • TomNickle says:

        Suspending them both would be fine by me but since Zetterberg plays for the Red Wings you can bet your ass Shanascam won’t even pick up the phone to speak with him.

        Byron Bitz shouldn’t be allowed to lace them up again for the entire playoffs and the play was exactly the same. Just so happens that Weber goes about 6’4 – 240.

    • Aybara says:

      Rewatch that replay. Zetterberg drives his arms into Weber’s back at a speed that wasn’t going to do much damage at all. We see this type of play all the time where it is a hit from behind, but the intensity of it is not close to being worthy of a suspension. It’s essentially an aggressive rub out.

      Despite what you think about the Red Wings, they are not the offenders in this incident. I want Nashville to beat them as well, but not by smashing peoples faces into the glass.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahmWrWr80qg

      • TomNickle says:

        Into his back?

        Selective eyesight at the forefront on HIO again I see.

        • Aybara says:

          Look at the second angle. If anyone has selective eyesight its you. That red you are seeing seems to be filling up your vision and making it tough to distinguish where Zetterberg’s gloves are.

        • LNev says:

          Ya yours TN.

          Contact is to the right shoulders/back (the right third of the torso, not direct numbers) and about nameplate high.
          (see the 15-17second mark of the you tube, you can expand to full screen and pause the videos nowadays if you want to have a closer look).

          Z more pins him to the boards than clobbers him. He wraps his right leg around to prevent SW from moving, and forces his right side against the wall. I don’t think the official stats guy would even rank it as a ‘hit’ as SW is the one who puts himself against the boards.

          In no way does that earn you a ‘head into the turnbuckle’ reaction. Nor a suspension…

          But you are probably just trolling since your description of the play is fantasy… or you didn’t see it.

  55. adamkennelly says:

    Is Gill hurt? or did they realize that he can’t skate? also – watched AK play some uninspiring hockey – more of the same..does he not realize all he has to do is hustle a bit more and play with an edge he would be much more effective..he could be Hartnell – easily but instead chooses to be himself.

    • TomNickle says:

      Gill is hurt. And Kostitsyn played a pretty good game last night I thought. He was consistently getting himself time and space in the offensive zone and forechecked well.

      • adamkennelly says:

        I saw him float into open spaces while his line mates did the work..also saw multiple opportunities where he let up on a play it appeared he had the ability to finish and create something but did not…passenger for sure.

        • TomNickle says:

          Yes, your opinion is gospel.

          • adamkennelly says:

            amazing how quickly the argumentative comments come out…AK is a hustling, aggressive, superstar forechecker..always has been..he played lights out last night – why didn’t we get 2 first rounders for him?

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Tom, not sure why you’re so quick with the sarcasm there. You offered your opinion on Andrei’s play last night, so did he. If his years on the Canadiens have taught us anything, it’s that fans watching the same player can see two different things: either a talented winger with size, speed and the penchant for hitting along with a wicked shot, or a loafing lazy uncommitted overpaid bum who takes weeks off at a time and only scores when the game is meaningless.

            ———————————
            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

          • boing007 says:

            Maybe AK is bi-polar?

            Richard R

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          “float into open spaces while his line mates did the work.”

          Isn’t that what a sniper is supposed to do?


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • adamkennelly says:

            agreed but key is to bury it when the puck comes their way….AK ain’t a sniper tho..he is built and equipped to be a power forward….

          • SmartDog says:

            LOL

            I was thinking the same thing

            ————————————-
            Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • canadiens26 says:

      Do you actually believe Gill is a bad skater? Have you ever watched him play before? Just because he is slower than most does not make him a bad skater. Next time he plays watch his feet. Or stop drinking, either one.

  56. LafleurGuy says:

    Interesting sub-plot to Canucks-Kings, and that’s David Booth facing Mike Richards. Booth put up a 40 then 29 point season since the season-ending shoulder to the head hit Richards laid on him in the fall of ’09. The year before, Booth put up 60 points and 31 goals. These single incidents that profoundly marred the careers of Booth and Patrice Bergeron, to just name two, prove the validity of the New Orleans Saints’ defensive coordinator’s recorded statements, “get the head and the body fails (Gregg Williams).”

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • smiler2729 says:

      Mike Richards is a scumbag, I don’t care if a player plays dirty cuz even the best did but to target a guy’s head is gutless.

      The guy’s a first class loser in the life sense of the word.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  57. Mattyleg says:

    Good morning old chums,
    Have a massive ton of work today (last two deadlines… come on.. you can do it…) but one thing on my mind after watching those highlights:

    The only thing worse than not making the playoffs is making the playoffs (and then getting mercilessly rogered by blind referees and blatantly cheating opposition until, before you know it, you’re out).

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      (yawn)

      • Mattyleg says:

        Aww, did I make your bestie feel bad?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • RiverviewCanadien says:

          Not at all. Just tired of hearing excuses from fans. We all know reffing sucks so please, before insulting someone else’s post and point of view (which sounded pretty accurate to me, I mean all three Canadian teams sucked this year, n’est pas?). How about you come up with some of your own ideas that has not been shelled out time and time again.

          This conversation has made me tired…why do I even respond to comments like yours, must be the weather.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Ummm, I’m just making a general comment on the poor officiating that I saw last night.
            I have not talked about the referees ONCE this season, and I could give a flying eff about who wins these games. I have no interest in who wins or loses, I’m just making a slightly facaetious comment on how playoff hockey brings out the worst in teams/players, and exposes referees.

            As for the ‘other thing’, I can respond the way I like to a post that is intentionally constructed to be antagonistic and negative towards the team that I like.

            Unless your dad is a referee, I don’t think my post was aimed at antagonising anyone.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • RiverviewCanadien says:

            There is the old saying “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen”.

            Childish comments like yours is one of the reasons this site has turned to crap and forced great posters away. I am not going to get involved with a keyboard battle.

            Move along now son…

          • Mattyleg says:

            Oh God…
            What does that saying even have anything to do with what I wrote?!

            And I’m not even arguing with you!! I’m just justifying my position! It’s you who started this with your unjustified ‘yawn’ comment!

            Criminy…

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • smiler2729 says:

            He was just stating a fact, there was no excuse there.

            _______________________________________________
            Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
            Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
            Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

          • RiverviewCanadien says:

            Really? I have to spell this out? You replied with (yawn) to a post and a bunch of gibberish, blah blah blah

            I did the same to you, and you make childish comments.

            Alright I am done, have fun arguing with yourself.

          • RiverviewCanadien says:

            I guess your bestie is coming to your defence now?

            Man this site is filled with whiners!

          • Mattyleg says:

            Maybe I will!!

            I’m going to have another cup of coffee!

            OH NO YOU’RE NOT!!

            You’re always so negative…
            Yeah, that’s typical, coming fomr you.
            Bahahahaa!! Nice spelling! It’s “from” you ignorant noodle.
            It was just a typo. At least I don’t have baby cereal all over my sleeve.
            Yes you do. We both do.
            Ahhhjeeez….

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yes he is.
            He’s my knight in shining armour.
            You can pet his horse if you promise to stop saying nasty things.

            (and I thought you said you were done with me!)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • RiverviewCanadien says:

            The Mighty River has spoken!

            Silence peons!

  58. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are no longer a hockey club. They have become simultaneously the league’s day care centre and retirement home. They bring in young players via the draft, nurture them to NHL readiness and then cut them loose for nothing so that they can mature and flourish on other teams. Then they acquire the dregs and leftovers, the players whose best before dates have expired.

    The other big jokes are the Flames and the Leafs. More and more these two teams are beginning to resemble the Habs as both organizations are talking about how they are going to rebuild their teams over the summer via free agency. Hilarious.

    I can see it now. After all the nice platitudes about how just making the play-offs is not enough watch as the Habs do everything in their power to rush their new prospects, over-pay for some more veterans and try their damnedest to capture that coveted final play-off berth.

    No worries. As Habs fans we can be comfortable in the knowledge that a plethora of players drafted by the organization will be succeeding elsewhere and that we will have the pleasure of watching former greats ride off into the sunset wearing the CH.

    • Mattyleg says:

      (yawn)
      Is this the new drum you’re going to bang all summer?
      Or are you testing the waters to see which one annoys people most?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      There is not anyone in place yet, keep it for when they actually screw up, at least.

    • ont fan says:

      If this is what I’ll have to read for the next few months, I guess I’m going golfing earlier.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Man, why do you even bother with it all?

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Obvious troll is obvious

    • LNev says:

      These Habs must have given you an ulcer by now. The amount of
      “Keyboard-hyperbole-nerd rage” you post here should probably be your sign to cheer for a new team.

      Seriously. At some point, when you hate what you used to love you have to cut the ties and move on.

      Stress kills and you obvioulsy no longer enjoy this team. No need to stress yourself out, posting over and over how much you hate them. That just works you up more… it’s a cycle of negativety.

      Even when something positive happens, you respond to it with the “yah, but…” or “just wait, they’ll screw it up too…” type repsonses.

      • HardHabits says:

        You have me confused with somebody who actually gives a damn. I can’t help but LMFAO at how inept this team has become and the circus that surrounds it. This place included.

        Stress?!?!?!!? Friggin’ hilarious.

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    Bad news for the Blues.

    Their number one goalie is injured and they will have to go with their backup, Jaro Halak.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  60. Habsman1970 says:

    The tanking of Washington

    (sorry, thsi was supposed to be a reply to the below post)

    ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

  61. hdcase says:

    What was your biggest surprise of the 2011-2012 season (so far)? Personally, I’m stunned with the way the Leafs’ season turned out. Burke has a proven track record of putting together excellent teams. I figured that he would finally have something to show this year. Did weak goal tending do him in?

    hdcase

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    This will shock and maybe disgust some of you. Heck it’s shocking me.

    But if you forget for a moment about their cro-magnon fans, and their history, there’s a lot to like about the current Philadelphia Flyers (bear with me).

    1. They did not build through tanking. They built through consistently smart drafting, trades and UFA signings. They identified Richards and Carter as locker room disruptions and got some great players in return (just robbed LA and Columbus). That Forsberg deal with Nashville is still paying dividends.

    2. With Pronger out and Richards gone, and Bobby Clarke a figurehead, there are only a couple of really hateful Flyers. One, Daniel Briere, is a great hockey player, and the other, Scott Hartnell, was cuckolded by his own team mate.

    3. They’ve created a team environment that is attractive to free agents and nurturing for rookies. Take note – next Habs GM.

    4. They actually play very nice hockey. They’re not goons anymore. In fact the Pens are much dirtier.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Marc10 says:

      Yeah… but I still hate Briere.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      All good points there HF72. I still cannot get over the mock chanting “ole” after they beat our beloved Habs though. Go Pens.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Scott Harnell is great, and last night was awesome!

      Agreed though, a lot of what I disliked about the Flyers, namely, Pronger and Richards are gone. Still not a big fan of Briere, but admittedly he’s a heck of a hockey player.

      Giroux is outstanding and Schenn will only get better.

      I Would love to see the Flyers knock out Crosby and his band of merry men.

    • JF says:

      I agree. I actually like the Flyers. Paul Holmgren has done a very good job, and his off-season trades were brilliant (although the Bryzgalov contract is a head-scratcher). They’re a great team, they play exciting hockey, and they’re no longer dirty.

      I dislike the Pens a lot (although nowhere near as much as the Bruins), partly because I can’t stand Crosby (although I admit he’s a great player), but mainly because it makes me sick that a team can build the way they did (and the way Edmonton is trying to do now), by sitting at the bottom for about five years and grabbing all the top picks.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Agreed, Hartnell is the last one I hate, though Simmonds can be a bit of a pest.

      On the other side, Pittsburgh is a far dirtier team. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m pup king for the Flyers in that one.

  63. habs-fan-84 says:

    Lucky me, every one of my teams won last night! Nice for a change.

  64. Ian Cobb says:

    It is great to see good hockey played at last this year!!! I am pulling for the Pen’s over Philly, but the Pen’s wasted all their energy in the 1st, by taking their foot off the gas in the final two periods.

    Nashville will take the Red Wings, but like Mike said, if Weber is suspended, watch out.

    And Vancouver cannot compete with the heart of LA, or so it seems to me!

    It is going to be interesting to see if Ottawa can stay with the Rangers or not tonight!

    And as far as the Boston series is concerned, I will not watch until I read that some team has put them on the Golf course!

    It is going to be an interesting play off season, very fast. The only ones that are having a hard time to keep up with the play are the referee’s.

  65. HFX-HabFan says:

    I posted this the other night and there will be plenty of time to speculate, but it’s a conversation starter this morning:

    Ryan Suter.

    My guess is that if he doesn’t stay in Nashville, he’ll have plenty of suitors (see what I did there) this summer, but I see three main candidates emerging:

    1- Philadelphia. They’ll have the space for him both on their payroll and their blueline.

    2- Detroit. A logical destination if Lidstrom retires, and a huge blow to a divisional rival.

    3- Washington. They can redirect the Semin/Wideman/Vokoun funds towards a big contract for Suter, which would give them a great top-four D of Suter-Green and Alzner-Carlson. Wow.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Good analysis. Now can you do one where there is a happy ending for the Habs?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • smiler2729 says:

      I can see the first two but not Washington, he’d be a dumbass going to that dysfunctional mess.

      Maybe he stays in Nashville…

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  66. Chrisadiens says:

    I know I’m a bad person for saying this but I really hope NSH and STL lose in the first round. I just can’t root for ex players. It’s like seeing an ex-girlfriend with some new…..uhhh….enhancements and wearing her happiness on her sleeve with her new doctor husband. I just can’t do it.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  67. smiler2729 says:

    Space-Cadet Bryzgalov was really good last night and those three goals were not his fault just bad bounces…

    Shea Weber is an a-hole and should get 2 games…

    Is there any other NHL goalie (except maybe Steve Mason) that has worse body language after a puck gets by him than Bobbo Luongo? Greasy Lu’s just not a pressure goalie. If Vancouver wants to go on, time for the Amazing Schneiderman.

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  68. HFX-HabFan says:

    According to Michael Farber (via Stubbs on Twitter), Wings assistant GM Jim Nill isn’t interested in Habs’ GM vacancy. Shoot.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Nill, zero.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • egold98 says:

      That’s real unfortunate. Jim Nill was my #1 choice for the job. Anyone associated with the Red Wings is a winner in my books…

      He runs their amateur scouting dept. (found gems such as Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc.)

      Pierre McGuire is my next choice

    • Strummer says:

      As if!

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  69. TommyB says:

    Woke up this morning to the radio sports, and…..Habs are talking to Luc Robitaille and Ron Hextall about the GM position. Ron Hextall? Seriously???

    • smiler2729 says:

      I like it.

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      Your comments echo my thoughts on Hextall… “Seriously?” I believe he is working as an assistant to Lombardi in LA. At the very least he would be entertaining.
      … could we bring Chelios in to be his advisor?
      _______________________________
      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      The point is that they’re seriously headhunting and not handing the job to the nearest warm body.

    • since1988 says:

      Here are Hextall’s credentials, he has actually been in the player development side for numerous years and is currently an assistant GM. Robitaille on the other hand works in business operations for the Kings. Maybe they are a packaged deal as like co-gms since only one of them speaks french ;)

      Hextall – http://kings.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=41316
      Robitaille – http://kings.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=41397

      “I savour it every day, sometimes before practice I’m skating around and I’ll look at the logo on my jersey – I’m playing for the Canadiens!”
      – Mathieu Darche

      • HFX-HabFan says:

        We all know how well that worked out for Dallas a few years back…

        • since1988 says:

          Haha very true, of the 2 Hextall clearly seems more qualified from what duties a GM would have, but he doesn’t speak french. Hiring Robitaille just because he does could be a disaster simply because he deals with all the business aspects like fan experience

          “I savour it every day, sometimes before practice I’m skating around and I’ll look at the logo on my jersey – I’m playing for the Canadiens!”
          – Mathieu Darche

  70. LafleurGuy says:

    Halak didn’t let in any last night so 24 has a point. Was wondering if your name had added the middle name “more,” but “more” likes Price. Tip of the hat to Francis Bouillion. What a stalwart! Should still be with the Habs. Years of Gorges-like defence play and is slightly below Stan Jonathan/Tie Dummy for short guy toughness in fights.

    All three of my touts lost, and here are some observations: Detroit is FAST, and skilled. Fascinating that Zetterberg and Holmstrom will stand up for themselves, and not rely solely on the protection of the scrum. Nashville has DEPTH: Gabriel Bourque??!! 5’10”, 7 goals in the regular season. He’s got to give some tips to his brother, Rene!

    Vancouver may lose. Daniel would not have made a difference, ’cause the twins la-tee-dah skating style just doesn’t cut it in the playoffs.

    Pittsburgh choked. Shades of Montreal-the-David and Pittsburgh-the-Goliath of the 2010 playoffs. Horrible missed off-side call and what a steady influence Bylsma is by saying, “that’s not why we lost.”

    Notice how this post began and ended with Jaro references!

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • smiler2729 says:

      “I still sing a razor line, every time”

      _______________________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
      Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
      Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

      • LafleurGuy says:

        You’re sharp!
        Do you think 24’s post below was serious about DD not being vital to the 30 goal scorers’ successes?

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • NL_habs_fan says:

          I said this yesterday in one of the other threads, I went as far to say trade DD now, as his value won’t get any higher.

          DD benefitted more from playing with Cole and Max, than Cole and Max did from playing with DD. The work ethic of Max and Cole can guarantee any middle of the pack center (i.e. DD) 60 points in a season. Imagine what those two could do with a more talented, bigger, stronger center.

  71. JUST ME says:

    The 3 teams i thought would win…lost. Find it hard to make predictions this year.

    The only two teams that i see in vacations rather soon are the Caps and the Panthers but even then i have a few what if…I think the Sens will make a good fight for it. They are a good fit for the Rangers if they can fight nervousness in their own zone.

    Nice to feel the atmosphere in Nashville though. Not a usual market and even if we are not used to it you want to see those markets succeed. They have a very good team.

    That Pens-Flyers matchup is something else ! Should we add a fifth referee to make sure they don`t miss anything ? I know i know they are only human but i have never seen an improvement going from 3 refs to 4. I would rather have a video review instead.

  72. Drakan says:

    Flyers deserved the win with how hard they fought back. But the comeback never occurs without the missed call on the Briere offside goal.

    • Marc10 says:

      Hmm… Is Fleury choking again?

      Oh and Price is better than Pekka Rinne. Way better! Rinne has size and two of the best in the League in front of him for close to 30 minutes a game – but that’s pretty much it. He’s all over the place. With Price in net, Nashville would win the Cup.

      There, I’ve said it.

      And how bout Paul Gaustad? He’s going to cost a lot if he keeps playing that way, but we should make a real effort to land him. I don’t think we’ll be the only bidders though.

      Thoroughly enjoyed the first games. We’re easily three years out… Easily…

      • LafleurGuy says:

        Ditto on Rinne. Man, the cage was yawning after some of his scrambles. The deflections (some call them lucky bounces) won it for the Preds, and Detroit played well enough to win.

        Greg Brady on the FAN 590, made a good point on the insane move by Shea Weber: if a Flyer had pulled that stunt on Crosby, all hell would have broken lose. Weber’s wrestling move was far worse than some of the love-tap kicks people used to go nuts over.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  73. 24 Cups says:

    Some random thoughts for discussion.

    I think that Montreal should have kept Halak and traded Price:-)

    Just think how crappy MaxPac and Cole would be if they didn’t have DD as their centre:-)

    Montreal should trade Kaberle, Weber, a 2nd rounder (Nashville’s) and the rights to Laraque for Rich Nash:-)

    Grigorenko has an attitude problem and Galchenyuk has a bum knee. That means Montreal should draft the best kid they can find in the state of Minnesota with their 3rd overall pick:-)

    Posters who join HI/O must be bilingual in terms of English and French. They must also have elite Corsi and Fenwick numbers:-)

    Patrick Roy should have a boxing match with Justin Trudeau to decide who will be the next leader of the federal Liberal party. Loser gets to be leader of the provincial Liberals.

    Quebec City should get an expansion franchise. It will initially be stocked with all the young players around the NHL that Montreal drafted but then tossed away:-)

    Pierre Maguire should be the new Hab GM with Red Fisher as his coach. Guy Lafleur would become director of media relations:-)

    Mike Boone knows more about hockey than 24 Cups:-)

  74. smiler2729 says:

    I think that’s where Robitaille would come in, co-GM kind of thing. Thinking outside the box but I doubt this happens.

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Brian Burke, re-branding crap in Laff Nation for 4 years now.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  75. Mr. Biter says:

    Shiloh, great post as now I am bilingual. English and Profanity. Mucho Grascious Senior.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  76. LafleurGuy says:

    Kings dominated last night’s game, but Mike Richards is the only other player I dislike as much as Lucic for calculated dirty play. Made a mental note when he smoked David Booth, started disliking him for randomly badmouthing Subban, confirmation he’s a dirty player when he smoked Logan Couture from behind in the last weekend of the regular season, not a hockey play, maybe a bountiful play for the New Orleans Saints.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  77. Chrisadiens says:

    Money and success can change anyone.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  78. LNev says:

    One of my friend’s kid’s hockey teams was at a junior game when Richards was still in Kitchener. He was injured & in the stands. The kids went up to him introduced themselves. Richards talked with them all, took photos, signed autographs and told them to stick around after the game & introduced them to the team.

    Not saying the guy’s a saint. He for sure plays a pretty rough & tough, nasty game of hockey, but there’s more to him than that.

    And yes, despite his rule changing cheapshot on Booth, and questionable hits… I’d love to have him in Montreal.

  79. Marc10 says:

    I completely agree. He’s an ass. One day the Subban Express is going to run him over. Unfortunately for PK, Mr Richards can fight… but that’s only if he gets up.

    I still favour Vancouver. They’re the better team… but barely.

  80. jmsheehy19 says:

    I agree, which is especially disappointing to me. As a defensive minded player in every sport I’ve ever played, I gravitate to the same type in pro sports. When Richards was a junior player, I loved him and was dreaming of him in the CH.

    But now the sight would make me sick to my stomach.

  81. Mr. Biter says:

    When he gets up he can say hello to Mr. Staubitz.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  82. D Mex says:

    Agree that Vancouver is the better team, but I (and many here) said the same thing in the final last year, and we know how that turned out …

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  83. Mattyleg says:

    (did you check the link? :) )

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  84. The Dude says:

    A waxed rope thong and a black cowboy hat,yike’s?

  85. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good story, and good to know. Poster last year told a similar tale about Marchand — except he was obnoxious to kids! Perfect!

    As for Richards — probably genuinely is a good guy, but that doesn’t condone a failure to respect the safety of other players on the ice. Strongly disagree with having him in Montreal (last year one or two said the same about Marchand).

  86. shiram says:

    Neither played enough games to consider the other the backup.
    Now everyone play nice.

  87. joeybarrie says:

    Why? St. Louis has brought up their AHL Goalie to back up Halak because Elliott is injured.
    What needs to be corrected? Its not like Halak has played 70 games this season. Elliott has better numbers. Why can’t Elliott be the starter?
    Other than the fact that he is injured. No way to know, so it doesn’t make Smiler wrong.

  88. smiler2729 says:

    Halak is starting tonight, Elliott’s injured… Do I have to go through all this again? lol

    Elliott had the better stats (Wins, SV%, GAA, Shutouts) and was an All-Star… blah blah blah

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  89. ed lopaz says:

    Halak had 26 wins Elliot had 23 wins – why do you keep posting that Elliot had more wins?

  90. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Well, Ken Hitchcock would beg to differ with you. But I’m sure you’d tell him he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He stated before the playoffs that Halak was his guy going into the playoffs, but he felt confident switching to Elliot if need be. And by the way, Halak had the best stats in the entire league since the All-Star break. But rave on, John Donne. Rave on.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  91. smiler2729 says:

    Just giving it to the Halakians to get ‘em goin’…

    Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  92. boing007 says:

    Go check their stats before you make unfounded assertions.

    Richard R

  93. Mark C says:

    8 more games yet only 3 more wins? sounds like the Blues were starting the wrong goalie.

  94. smiler2729 says:

    What’s who wearing? What’s up your ass?

    _______________________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are gutless weasel pukes.
    Jaroslav Halak is Brian FREAKIN’ Elliott’s backup in St. Louis.

  95. MattZ says:

    Look I don’t care who is better, but Halak got 3 more wins than Elliot, but in 10 less starts, 10!!! Halak’s stats were great this season, but Elliot outshined him(and everyone else in the league) in every category. I don’t understand the sensitivity of many of the people here. Also I don’t get the constant criticism of both Price and Halak, whoever criticizes any of them is crazy in my books, but what do I know.

  96. saskhabfan says:

    maybe he means connie smith?

  97. saskhabfan says:

    That was a good hockey play.

  98. ZepFan2 says:

    Took out Krejci.

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    “I got a feeling, a feeling deep inside” – Lennon/McCartney

    I’ve got a feeling


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