Emelin skates wearing regular practice jersey; Desharnais on fourth line

Canadiens defenceman Alexei Emelin, who has been sidelined since last season after undergoing reconstructive knee surgery, practised with his teammates Monday in Brossard while wearing a regular practice jersey. It marked the first time he has participated in a practice without wearing a no-contact jersey.

Last week, Emelin signed a four-year, $16.4-million contract extension with the club that takes him through the 2017-18 season.

Martin St-Pierre, who was called up from the Hamilton Bulldogs on Sunday night, also took part in the practice. Travis Moen was wearing a no-contact jersey at practice along with a visor to protect a fractured orbital bone suffered on Oct. 26 in a game against the San Jose Sharks. Moen won’t be ready for Tuesday’s game against the St. Louis Blues at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., TSN, RDS, TSN Radio 690), but hopes to play Thursday in Ottawa against the Senators.

“Obviously it was a scary call,” Moen said of the eye injury. “I’ve had a few in my career that obviously make you really think about putting a visor on. They won’t let me play without one for at least four to six weeks. So I’ll tough it out for then and then make a decision (about keeping the visor on).”

Daniel Brière skated Monday for the first time since suffering a concussion on Oct. 19 against the Nashville Predators. No timetable has been set for his return to the lineup, but coach Michel Therrien said he is symptom free. Brandon Prust, who injured his shoulder during the same game against Nashville, also skated Monday but no date has been set for his return to the lineup. Brière and Moen both skated on the second practice rink in Brossard.

Monday was Therrien’s 50th birthday and Brendan Gallagher celebrated the occasion by giving the coach a cream pie to the face. After practice, Therrien confirmed that Carey Price will start in goal Tuesday night against the Blues.

When asked about P.K. Subban’s play this season, Therrien told reporters in Brossard: “He’s a thoroughbred, but you have to guide a thoroughbred so he’ll win you the race.”

David Desharnais, who has only one assist in 15 games and is minus-2 in the first season of a four-year, $14-million contract, was demoted to the fourth line at practice with Ryan White and George Parros.

“He wants success and we’re working with him to make sure that he’s going to get some success,” Therrien said about Desharnais. “But, obviously, the success is not there. So now we’re in a position that we have to make decisions. And we try everything with him. As a coaching staff, we met him, we showed him videos, we gave him ice time to make sure that he was able to get out of that slump. But there’s a time that as a coaching staff that we had to make some decisions and because the results are not there. Yes, we’re coaching indivduals, but in the meantime we’re coaching a hockey team as well. So we’ve got to make sure that we’re putting the best lineup that we’re thinking is going to make us win hockey games.

“We haven’t given up hope,” Therrien added. ”For sure, the results are forcing us to make decisions and we have to make those decisions.”

The Canadiens also announced on Monday that Price is the Molson Cup recipient for the month of October. Price was selected five times as the first star of the game (on Oct. 5 against Philadelphia, Oct. 12 at Vancouver, Oct. 15 in Winnipeg, Oct. 17 against the Columbus and Oct. 29 against Dallas) and once as the second star (Oct. 19 against Nashville). Price finished ahead of Tomas Plekanec and Michaël Bournival. Price had a 6-5-0 record in 11 games in October, with a 2.02 goals-against average and a .939 save percentage. He will be presented with the Molson Cup before Tuesday’s game.

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice:

Bourque – Plekanec – Gionta
Pacioretty – Galchenyuk – Gallagher
Leblanc – Eller – Bourque
Desharnais – White – Parros
St-Pierre – Moen

Diaz – Gorges
Markov – Subban
Murray – Bouillon
Emelin – Pateryn

After Tuesday’s game against the Blues, the Canadiens will travel to Ottawa to face the Senators Thursday night (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690) and then play a rare Sunday night game at the Bell Centre against the New York Islanders (6 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

You can watch a Gazette video from practice here:

Desharnais gets moved to the fourth line by Brenda Branswell

Habs vs. Blues Preview, NHL.com

Words from the room after practice (video), Canadiens.com

Habs Notebook, Canadiens.com

Therrien partly to blame for Subban’s detractors, by Jack Todd

Galchenyuk to play centre against Blues, by Pat Hickey

Blues/Habs stats, Blues.nhl.com

How Chris Chelios’s Hall of Fame career almost never happened, Yahoo! Sports

Pominville, Fleury, Chimera named NHL’s three stars of week, NHL.com

Shattenkirk rounding into form with Blues, St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Former Hab Savage bounced from Battle of the Blades, Stu on Sports blog

808 Comments

  1. third generation haber says:

    A lot of bad news circling hab land these days, but none worse than Briere making a return to the line-up. Are we really going to have to watch Briere and DD suck terribly while Bournival and Leblanc (who completely out-play them) get sent to Hamilton???

    I hope Subban can introduce Briere to one of his “practice like you play” checks. Briere is a passenger, and can spectate just fine from his sofa. Ahhhhh…. cap relief:-)

    j.p. murray

  2. Marc10 says:

    St Louis is a pretty awful match up for this team. I’m very much a rose-colored glasses fan most nights, but the Blues are arguably a worse match up than the Sharks… and that was tough.

    I just hope PK and Price combine their efforts and force Team Canada’s hand… especially PK. No D lapses tonight my friend, but feel free to outshine Bowmeester and Pietrangelo with your stellar play.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      I’m going to look up the betting line later, but I’m pretty sure it favors the Blues. It’s a forgotten innovation of 1967, but the Musical Note Emblem is inspired. They’re the last of the “67′s” who haven’t won the Cup, after the Kings joined the Stars, Penguins, Flyers, and the Golden Seals became Barons or Scouts and then extinct.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  3. habstrinifan says:

    Been reading with a degree of amusement, familiarity and concern re all the posts theorizing on the situation between the morally effervescent Therrien and HIS charge P.K Subban.

    Note that my Sunday Catechism classes are still with me as I have capitalized the pronoun reference to MT in honour of RDS’s deification of MT and his albeit fallibly omnipotent status. Even if I consider RDS’s praise of MT as the God of October to be probably a Eup

    Of course my personal opinion is more

    Those on either side of the issue may want to read the article I have linked to understand the turmoil that a person deals with

  4. GrosBill says:

    Emery Vs Holtby

    If that happened to Price or Budaj, I would have no problem seeing Perros hop the boards and grab Emery. Easily worth the 10 game suspension (for a 4th line scrapper).

    Who was that ref? Yikes.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      I wonder what Holtby is thinking these days…there was 2 Washington players next to that mess near the end and they just looked at it……the NHL has lost it’s honour that’s for sure. Emery should have paid a big price and the failure is Washington’s. That fight was nothinhg short of a bully having his way. Tell me a 4th liner on the bench shouldn’t have been instructed to go to Holtby’s defense. It’s absolutely incredible to me.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      What I don’t understand is why none of his team mates on the ice didn’t jump in and help out.
      The penalty for 3rd man in is only a game misconduct.

      46.16 Third Man In – A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident.

      • GrosBill says:

        I totally agree Ron. And there were some in the area. Ref said no, so what. Absolutely a player should have ignored the ref and come to Holtby’s aid.

        Failing that, I tap our most expendable player on the bench capable of throwing.

  5. JM says:

    Offence will decide tonights game – Gonna be a good one …

  6. Maritime Ronn says:

    Really, really looking forward to watching Galchenyuk between Max and Gallagher tonight.

    What will be interesting is how Coach Hitchcock sees them and who he deems is the Habs Top line.
    Will he play his top shutdown line/ D pairing against them, or will he see the Plex line as the most dangerous?

    It’s also going to be interesting to watch Eller-Bourque-Leblanc and how that line works out.

    While Eller has not played bad, he has to get going again.
    In his last 10 games, he has zero goals/ 2 assists and is minus -4 after an amazing first 5 games where he had 5 goals/2 assists and was Plus + 5.

    • mksness says:

      regarding eller, he was bound to kool off. every bounce went his way and he was playing on a very hot streak.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        I really like Eller and still see him as a potential Top 6, yet there has always been a question of consistency in his play.

        Some nights he has looked like Malkin – big, strong, great vision and compete, and no one can take the puck away from him… and then he almost disappears for long stretches.

        Remember the 11/12 season when he scored 4 goals in 1 game against Winnipeg?
        In the next 42 games after that, he scored 8 goals and had 1 goal in his last 14 games.

      • JM says:

        Ronn – Eller is a good center and I would liked to have seen

        Bournival, and Lebanc with him for tonight. see what they could do as a unit. Some insight on our future on the 1st line and 3rd line.

        Bourque, Plekanec and Gionta would be our veteran 2nd line

        If this worked out – Moen, Prust, White/Parros would be a good 4th line ….

    • Cal says:

      Let’s all hope the Habs can make three lines that can put some offensive pressure on St. Louis tonight. Personally, I think the Habs will rise to the challenge and play a very good team game, but I wonder if it’ll be enough.

  7. GrosBill says:

    I heard that MT hates puppies. Can you believe that? The monster.

  8. mksness says:

    just as a side note with those who like the “tough love approach”. try that approach as a manager in your daily job. try call out a team mate infront of the whole team. it doesn’t really work well in a professional environment. Furthermore most people leave their jobs due to not liking the leadership and management. This approach doesn’t work in building a good team. there are times to discuss performance and that should always be done behind closed doors especially when targeting a specific individual. when mistakes happen in an work environment, teams should be focused on working together not pointing out who made the mistake.

    look at that guy who coaches the chicago bears. there is a real leader and coach and i’m sure he’s as demanding as anyone in the nfl.

    • Bill J says:

      Some would say MT is trying to pull maximum potential out of PK, beyond what PK has already achieved.

      I’m not saying I’m taking MT’s side, just trying to be devils advocate.

      Seeing as PK with limited minutes last year won the Norris. Just maybe MT knows what he’s doing?


      Go Habs Go!

      • mksness says:

        that approach doesn’t work in any other industry. i have a hard time believing it would work in pro sports. singling a player out in a negative way out is lousy coaching and management decision. Just imagine your boss did that to you infront of the whole company, i doubt it would make say “raw raw i’m going to be so much better now after being embarrassed”.

        • Cal says:

          Not everyone responds like a hurt puppy to criticism. PK responded very well to MT’s challenge last season and started this season like gangbusters before hitting this funk. PK plays the game too well for this funk to last long.

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        Personally I see MT at the very least as a ignorant person when it comes to dealing with people. Sure isn’t his strong point and I have been rethinking the MB situation and his decisions mostly are not very good. I do like the Prust signing…the Briere and DD contract don’t make much sense to almost anyone on here based on my reading…their results are poor to be polite about it……..why would the Habs want to mess with 5 ft 7or 8 inch players if everyone including MB is on record as saying the team needs to be bigger. Briere’s stats are worse than I thought they’d be but his effectiveness is right where I thought it would be…a small old player way beyond his prime trying to suck a few more millions out of system.

    • mksness says:

      full marks to the dolphins for doing something about it. hopefully not to little too late.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Yes, full marks for covering their asses.

      • donmarco says:

        Full marks? For reacting? With something like 20 coaches on the team, plus assorted trainers, equipment managers not to mention teammates who play together every day, nobody had a clue that this was going on? Please. Sounds like they’re trying to close the barn after the racist punk has escaped. I don’t give them top marks at all.

  9. Psycho29 says:

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 6m
    “Hilarious if true: trusted source tells me #Habs @PKSubban1 parked in Michel Therrien’s indoor Brossard spot yesterday on coach’s 50th b’day”

    Wow, I guess there is a lot of friction between the Coach and PK.
    I think some posters should be writing for the soap operas. Creating scenarios that they have no idea really exists.

    • Bill J says:

      LOL!!!!

      You know what, I’m beginning to think MT and PK talk about a daily “soap opera” idea. Ie below conversation between PK and MT

      PK: Hey coach let’s continue the media drama, it’s quite funny. How about tomorrow on your birthday I park in your spot.

      MT: excellent, this way they will not talk about how we haven’t benched DD yet. Way to take one for the team PK, you’re truly a team guy.

      PK: awe thanks coach, we still on for supper tonight? I’ll teach you the triple low five and the Joel.


      Go Habs Go!

    • Cal says:

      There’s so much friction, in fact, that they keep zapping each other with static electricity charges. (I read this in the Hydro Quebec site, so it must be true.)

    • Habfan10912 says:

      In fairness to HIO posters, the media, both print and radio, have been talking about this for days. Most of us are commenting on what is being reported and speculated in the media. It’s what fans do, especially on gameless days. :)

    • Strummer says:

      Reminiscent of the Andy Kaufman-Jerry “The King” Lawlor feud

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  10. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    The PK debate, with little data to go on, is interesting, I guess. I’ll drop my dime.
    a) PK won the Norris last year. If it was because of the coach, good. If he hates the coach but grudgingly goes along, nice result. If he ignored the coach and did it all on his own, why did he look so different?
    b) Under the coaching collapse of Cunneyworth, PK was raw talent with repetitive patterns of errors and an uncontrolled ‘look at me’ approach. There was no Norris there, in spite of the young talent’s competitive character and physical abilities. We have seen him given absolute free rein. He was Kovalev painful.
    c) Maybe he just matured over that summer, and MT had nothing to do with his development…
    d) Therrien is a loudmouthed schnook, bully and lout. However, the team has overachieved since he’s been there. Maybe he’s matured over a few summers. He’s hard to like or admire. He seems able to coach though, all second guessing aside.

    My total bs, not there in the room, get stuff from the media and HIO take is the following. It’s all guesses, of course, but this is HIO.

    PK is smart. MT is stubborn and unpleasant. MT rants at PK. PK absorbs maybe 20% of it – the parts that make sense to him. That improves the play of an immature guy. Otherwise, as an experienced survivor of hockey world and its personalities, PK ignores a lot of Therrien’s ranting the way the rest of us ignore most of what our bosses say.
    Bugs Bunny meets Foghorn Leghorn.

    PK is getting a lot of attention. He’s important. A lot of what we seem to see going on with this team is aimed at making PK a superstar. He takes a lot of room, even if it appears negative at times. That probably pleases him. He’s used to loudmouthed coaches. He needs some traffic tickets or he’ll drive himself at 100kmph in school zones. A more pleasant coach might do the same thing Therrien’s doing more effectively, but it would still have to be done. PK needs coaching.

    He’s a tough kid and his ego is not hurt by the coach. The fans are fawning all over him and he gets tons of positive reinforcement. He is not a weak guy – he has character. He gets a bit carried away on the ice, and doesn’t always think of the context of his plays. That’ll come.

    Coaches come and go. If PK isn’t too greedy and stays in Montreal for another decade (I hope he does) he probably has another two coaches to go. They’ll all have to deal with his type A approach. They will, he will, the fans won’t.

    I suspect PK is laughing at all this stuff.

  11. Maritime Ronn says:

    A big game in general for the Habs tonight…and in particular for P.K. Subban.

    Blues coach Ken Hitchcock is Team Canada Assistant coach and right hand man of head coach Mike Babcock, and no doubt it will be an important audition for Subban.

    For the many that believe PK is a Team Canada lock because he won the Norris, the cold hard facts are that PK is still on the bubble.

    Having anti-Habs Coach Claude Julien as another assistant coach will not help the cause of Subban…

    So what are we looking at?
    8 Dmen will be chosen for Team Canada by December 31st.

    Yzerman has stated he wants balance, yet would not rule out having 5 right hand Dmen and 3 left hand Dmen as Canada is incredibly deep on the right side.

    Coach Babcock has stated he wants good skating Dmen that are also “very responsible defensively and in their own end” and that was one of the reasons why Mike Green was left off the 2010 team – all offense, and little defense.
    He has also stated he wants certain role players that includes proven shut down guys.
    Coach Hitchcock is also a big time ‘defensive responsible’ coach.

    Coach Hitchcock is also lobbying hard for his own Top duo of Pietrangelo/Bouwmeester claiming familiarity is important, and that both these players play on their Top PP and… PK Units on a top NHL team.
    Hard to argue with that.

    So who are the other right hand Dmen that Subban has to beat out?

    If familiarity and Olympic/Stanley Cup winning experiences are important factors, the duo of Duncan Keith and right handed Brent Seabrook could also be chosen.

    IF Seabrook is chosen, that would be 2 down with a ‘maximum’ of 3 right handed Dmen left to choose – perhaps only 2.

    The other right handed Dmen available are Drew Doughty, Shea Weber, Chris Letang, and Subban – all quality guys, and one would have to believe Subban beats out Letang.

    In the long run, what may slightly hurt Subban is his almost non utilization on the Penalty Kill, and so far this season, riding the bench in late game critical, shut down situations.
    His several last games have also shown he often makes ‘high risk’ plays.

    With the Habs, Subban is the 6th Dman for PK average ToI per game, while Weber plays Top PP and PK minutes and Doughty plays top PK and 2nd Unit PK minutes.
    Weber (Olympic All Star team) and Doughty were also key members of the 2010 Gold Medal team.

    It will be very interesting how it all plays out.

  12. Hobie Hansen says:

    A small bonus to tonight’s game against the Blues is that the Habs get the last change. So hopefully we don’t get the 4th line caught out there against the wrong line like we did against Colorado and Minnesota. We’ve got to hang on it that department until Prust and Moen are back.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi hobie
      It will be interesting who that 4th line will be.
      Does MT dress Parros because of Ryan Reaves?
      Or does he go with White-Desharnais-St.Pierre?

    • Eddie says:

      Hey Hobie, that minus 3 on each of the 4th liners was outrageously bad considering their time on ice totals. Not sure how you read it, but to me that’s all about coaching.

  13. chanchilla says:

    Maybe DD has been hitting the clubs a little too hard, no ones noticed because hes too hard to see!

  14. Propwash says:

    *ahem*

    DOOOOOMED

    ____________________
    DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

  15. commandant says:

    Mike Mccarron hasn’t scored a point in his last 8 games and has only 1 goal and just 5 points in 14 games in London.

    At what point do we worry that the offence may never develop?

    (Note: I was worried it wouldn’t develop before we drafted him, so this isn’t just a small sample size thing.)

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Marc10 says:

      Turner Stevenson or Keith Primeau… ?

      I would prefer Primeau.

    • Habilis says:

      Having not seen the kid play, I shouldn’t really offer an informed opinion either way. But it’s the internet so why not?

      Could this be a case of him needing some time to adjust to the OHL game? My understanding is that it’s quite a jump from the US development team to the OHL in terms of physicality. I know he’s a monster but he still needs to change his game in terms of timing and positioning. That takes time.

      All that being said, I’d be a lot happier if the kid had a dozen points. It seems that he’s a long term project. Not a bad thing, but not ideal for sure.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      No big deal if a kid doesn’t make it. Luck of the draw. But did Bergevin overrule Timmins? That’s a bigger worry.

    • third generation haber says:

      I’m really not worried. I think he will be very useful in the NHL even if he doesn’t materialize as a first round pick. At pick 25 I’m not expecting a miracle; I think he was a safe pick.

      More importantly, he’s playing for the London Knights. Look at what they did for Tinordi!

      I think the fact that we got Delarose, Fucale, and Lehkonnen in the second round may negate McCarron’s need to score for our team. We received an A+ rating from The Hockey News for our 2013 selections.

      j.p. murray

    • Phil C says:

      I wonder if it is his shoulder injury. When I separated my shoulder, I was able to play after 3 weeks but it took me another 2-3 weeks before I could shoot the puck again.

    • GrosBill says:

      Not great news to read but I am not even close to worrying.

      Even if he flops for the whole year I still will not be in panic mode yet. All I hope is that if it takes him until he is 23-25 to fully reach his potential, that it is the Habs who gave him the time to develop his game.

      This is a player I do not expect to see in the Habs lineup until 23+. That is a HUGE body to grow into.

      He is a project that may indeed be a bust down the road, but it is way to early to panic IMO.

      Thanks for the update commandant.

  16. JM says:

    If we should lose tonight against the Blues I would like for MT to try these lines against Ottawa:

    Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher

    Bourque Plekanec Gionta

    Bournival Eller Leblanc

    Young Guys on the First line – Veterans on the second line – Young Guys on the third. The 1st and 3rd line will give us a chance to look at what our two future lines can do!!

  17. montreal ace says:

    Wings and Rangers lose, good night for the Habs.

  18. SmartDog says:

    Saw my first episode of 24CH tonight.

    Seeing Therrien’s ‘tough love’ act all I can think is that’s gonna get tired really quick. Last year’s collapse makes more sense. You don’t motivate with shame. Or at least, it takes a master to do it. And I don’t see mastery.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Mark C says:

      Can’t believe smart people believe they can gain predictive insight based on watching a cut and edited TV show. And you only watched one episode!

      Look the Bruins show made their whole management team look like a-holes with Seguin and they’ve won a Cup.

      • The Jackal says:

        Yeah, exactly.
        OMG I saw an episode of 24CH, Therrien SUCKS as a coach!

        Yeah, alright buddy, you saw an edited show and thus you can confidently infer that the coach is a bad fit.

        How about the collapse being due to injuries and weak goaltending? Nope, it was Therrien’s style.
        Right….

        EDIT: No disrespect to you Dog, you’re smart enough to play chess. But all these shows show the same stuff from coaches. Watch 24/7 for any team the coaches all say the same kind of stuff, even Bylsma. It’s not kindergarten where they are taking care of kids, these are adults who have been in hockey all their lives – it’s a tough sport and it is very passionate, there is a lot of intensity in coaching and in how stuff is communicated and everyone involved understands that.
        ______________________
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        • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

          Chris Nilan has been in sports all his life, at a level you couldn’t have even dreamed of reaching. And is as tough as they come. Yet he hated what Therrien did. I’ll take his opinion and ignore yours, thanks.

          I remember Dec. 31, 1975

        • SmartDog says:

          Like Yogi Berra said “It’s amazing what you can see just by looking”.

          But some people look and can’t see anything.

          ————————————-
          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • SmartDog says:

        See the comment about Nilan below.
        Dude, why pay attention at all if you can’t try to observe what’s happening and make inferences about it. I’m thinking you just don’t have much insight.

        And the Bruins ARE a-holes. But they stick to their message and it’s “we’re awesome – everyone else sucks”. That message works. As opposed to “we suck – why do we suck?”

        ————————————-
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • CH Marshall says:

      THANK YOU!!! Mastery IS the word. And I’m not joking.

      I don’t see a master at work here. And many of you will agree with me. Yes, I see a professional. But not a master.

      But where are the masters??? There is one left, in San Jose… and he is of ROYAL JELLY. Think he would give DD top minutes? No way.

      And there is a master in the making… we’ll win 3 cups with him.

  19. Timo says:

    Holy crap… how long have you guys been at it now?

  20. Bill says:

    Jedi: I sure hope not.

  21. Bill says:

    Here’s some trivia: the Habs traded Grabovski to the Leafs for Pateryn and a 2nd rounder. Anyone know what happened with that second round pick? I’m curious.

    Also pretty funny that the Leafs bought out Grabovski – 5 goals and 13 points in 14 games so far – and now they are looking for a centre.

  22. Bill says:

    Naweed: Looking for a centre is not the same thing as looking for a DD. Leafs won’t help us out like that.

  23. slyCH says:

    Hey VANCOVERHAB, just got home from work and went back and read the exchange between you and DONBOYNE MIKE and CAL, Cal mentions how MT garbles his English in every interview, this made me laugh because MT garbles his French just as bad. So, perhaps it’s a simple case of communication breakdown due to some form of lisp. I don’t know.

    As for our exchange before, well, I’m all cool with it.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Thanks pal: I appreciate being in your good graces.

      I have to say that on reflection, in light of your comments and another poster’s, I had not considered that his ‘make Subban a better person’ might be a bad idiomatic translation.

      So I need to back off a bit :–)

      Best,
      VH

  24. Bill says:

    Who is this Briere that people keep talking about?

    I don’t remember anyone by that name playing for the Habs.

  25. naweed235 says:

    So TSN is reporting that the Laffs are in the market for a center-man. Is this our chance to get rid of DD? Please?

    • Mattyleg says:

      Who do they give us in return?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • L Elle says:

      Yeah, maybe they’ll give us Clarkson, Lupul and Kadri for him, if they’re lucky. ;)

      DD is going through hard times. The extreme negativity towards him is unreal. Because he’s “short” and francophone? I hope he succeeds because he is needed on the team, and if he flops, the whole team is worse off. He didn’t just lose his skills. I hope he bounces back, and if not, the team would then be justified to buy him out, or whatever.

  26. Mattyleg says:

    Damphousse on l’Antichambre saying that Jacques Demers said, after Damphousse had signed his big contract and only scored 3 goals in 24 games:
    “Il est payé assez cher pour scorer des buts , asteur sa job est de la mettre dedans, ben qu’il la mette dedans!”

    Translation: “He’s being payed well enough to score goals, right now, his job is to put them in, he’d better put them in!”

    Carbo, Damphousse and Darche talking about DD and slumps.
    Interesting stuff.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  27. naweed235 says:

    No matter how much praise we have for PK here and crap on MT for being too harsh on him, sometimes he needs a good slap… If you don’t know what I am talking about, go to tsn.ca and play the video titled “Practice like you play”. He lays a huge late hit on Gallagher along the boards… IN PRACTICE! Is he freaking dumb risking injuring arguably our best forward? he got a whole lot of heat from his team mates after that hit too as shown on the video…

    • VancouverHab says:

      Come on: that happens all the time from the dawn of NHL time….

    • montreal ace says:

      I would have given PK 5 minutes and 3 practice suspension for the hit, not a big deal though, as he does not need a coach. PK should be allowed to do what he wants at the Bell Center alone, and make his way to Brossard when he chooses to at his own pleasure. I would also like to say its the nicest hit he has had all year.

  28. Mattyleg says:

    Holy cow, total brain-fart by the Rangers.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  29. scotland says:

    A.Berke is bang on. And i will add this. Subban was drafted second round, and improved dramatically by the time he was in the AHL he played like what you would expect from a high first rounder. Called up to the habs in the play offs of 010 he played great and had 8 points in 9 games. Now in his third full season he already has a norris trophy. Rapidly improving. Whatever short comings therien thinks he sees the 24 year old subban will improve past them too. WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM MICHELLE THERRIEN. Subban needs the likes of therrien motivating him and teaching him how to be a better player as much as sid the kid did. Best thing therrien could do for a superstar like PK is the same thing he did for sid crosby. Get out of his way…..pk will be a superstar for years and years after therrien is a forgotten ex coach.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I say that without Therrien, PK would never have won the Norris.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        I think he could have, personally.

        • Mattyleg says:

          There’s no way of ever being able to say that he would have, because he did it under Therrien.

          He might have, but we’ll never know.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • jedimyrmidon says:

            Yup. But just because PK happened to win it under Therrien also doesn’t lend credence to the idea that Therrien played a significant role in PK winning the Norris.

            That being said, here’s hoping PK has thick skin to endure all the unanswerable questions surrounding player-coach relationships. What happened with Tortorella and Brad Richards is an example of a coach pushing too hard.

      • VancouverHab says:

        I say that without MT, Subban would have won the Norris. P.K. having Therrien as coach is like having Cube as a PP defense partner: an anchor Subban has to be strong enough to hold on his back while still being brilliant.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      We saw PK on his own in that dismal penalty filled season before last. He needs someone to mentor him (I’m not say MT is the only option) because for all his incredible skills and character, there is an issue of judgment and self centred play. PK with self-confidence and confidence in his team mates is a Norris winner. He’s a young guy with a strong tendency to want to do good things on his own, without help and without helping. It’ll come, and the need for the MT’s of the world will go.

  30. jedimyrmidon says:

    I see things have calmed down a little since Satursday night and yesterday. Good to see.

  31. ProHabs says:

    What is wrong with Therrien being hard on some of his players and having high expectations for them. These players are pros right, not little babies.
    Don’t any of you have some bosses that put pressure on you and expect you to do your job or is everyone on HIO working for the government in cubicles and just reading HIO all day.

    • A. Berke says:

      As a manager, putting pressure on your subordinates is OK when it’s done properly; however, criticising a professional (player or someone in a corporate environment) behind his back (to the media) is a completely different ball game and it’s WRONG (esp if there are other players just as at fault for losing the game not even being mentioned).

      If you want to put pressure on a professional or anyone else for that matter, you do that behind closed doors (I’m sure Bell Centre or any arena has many such rooms available).

      MT has pulled this kinda crap time and time again before and that’s why some ppl here and elsewhere in the media are being critical of him. He has been acting like a callous moron. In fact if you check w/RDS website now, you’ll see the kinda apologetic statement he made to justify what he said.

      And yes PK is much more valuable to the Habs than MT.

      IMHO pulling crap and then turning around and trying to apologise/justify is what makes ppl lose respect for someone and MT has lost my esteem & respect.

      Cheers,

      Ali B.

      • Eddie says:

        You nailed it sir. In my world it’s called being RESPECTFUL, and it is fundamental to anyone who is fortunate enough to be given a position of leadership.

      • The Jackal says:

        Holy, effing, crap.

        Commenting to the media is not talking behind the player’s back. Coaches do it all the time and players are well aware of this.
        And FFS, MT is not nor has he ever thrown PK under the bus!
        WTF!

        The asinine comments about MT and PK need to stop, there is nothing there. That crowd has to realize they are pulling rabbits out of their asses and seeing only what they want to see. This is freaking Mount Everest created from a tiny ant hill.

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  32. Mark C says:

    Another day of endless dumping on a former 60 point player. Yet kind words for a 3 point career player, who once charged a player with a flying elbow, concussing him, before he started to pummel him.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Michel Therrien was a 60 point player?

      • Eddie says:

        Therrien is a legend in his own mind! Why stop at 60 points, how about 80 or 100. Hahahaha!

        • Mark C says:

          I’m starting to worry about the anti-JM crew, you guys are stating to crack up.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I was making a crack, because everything I have read today has been MT this and MT that…..

          • Mark C says:

            I know you were, can’t say I blame you after the beat down your Steelers took.

            I am worrying about some of the anti-MT club, they are getting a bit venomous these days.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            My Steelers can take it, every organization needs to go through some hard times to make them rebuild and get it right again. Unfortunately, our Habs have been taking it on the chin for too long now. We have had some nice blip seasons in between, but I still really believe if they remain patient within 2-3 yrs. we can be a top team in the league for a while. And I would love to see PK be a big part of that.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Ed, I see down below that you were in Habfan10912 and Chrisadiens neck of the woods. Trust me if you are ever down in their area again, you should definitely let them know. 2 finer guys you’ll never meet, take them up on they’re offer if you indeed are down that way again.

  33. sweetmad says:

    Watched Thats Hockey,Gally give MT a pie in the face for his birthday,yeah there are problems in the room,the players have no respect for their coach,pulling pranks on the coach like that,he will be benched next game,as he should be.Don’t know the name of the guy who said it,but he said said they would never do that to their coach,when he was playing.How dare they do that to the coach,he has lost control.(sarcasm).

    On a different note they said DD has lost his confidence,he should follow Ellers lead and see the sports pchycolgist,because he obviously does have some talent,forget his size,or he would never have been here in the first place,I would like to see him get his confidence back,can do nothing but good for the team.
    GO HABS GO

    • CH Marshall says:

      (joke censored)

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I hope you’re right about DD and it is a confidence issue. It doesn’t appear that its a lack of effort thing.
      The thing that worries me the most is his physical limitations and if indeed they were masked when he had Cole and Patches protecting him.

      • Mattyleg says:

        He fought hard through all the levels of hockey he played in, because when you’re small, you have to work extra hard to make it.

        I’m sure that Cole and Max opened up space for DD, but he’s played with other big players since, and it hasn’t had the same results.

        It’s definitely all in his head, and he just needs to unblock. A visit to the shrink could do him a world of good.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  34. Phil C says:

    Right from his introductory press conference, Therrien was asked if he needs to be more of a player’s coach in the current NHL. He said that it is his job to get the most out of his players and that sometimes you have to be harder on some players, and that over the years they will appreciate that it was for their own good. In other words, if you were expecting anything different from him, your expectations were unrealistic. He will continue to be hard on certain players if he believes it will help them perform. He will go easy on other players if he thinks it will help them perform. He adjusts his approach to the player. He was hard on Subban last year, and he won the Norris. I think Subban can handle Therrien’s methods, maybe even flourish under them.

    I’ve also heard Larry Robinson say almost the exact same thing, that every player is different in how the respond to praise and criticism, so you have to treat each player differently as a coach.

    See for yourself. Therrien talks about his player philosophy at around the 4 minute mark.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unKj2GzAFis

    • Habfan10912 says:

      But shouldn’t this be done privately?

      • Phil C says:

        I don’t have a problem with what he says in press conferences. For the most part, he simply points out the obvious. In the last press conference, he said poor execution by the defense on two occasions was the difference in the game. Is that so bad? In this market, it would be pretty tough for Therrien to drop DD to the 4th line without some sort of explanation.

        I do think some of the things being shown on 24CH goes too far, showing things that should be done in private, so I agree with you there. They may regret this in a few years. Bylsma is the only coach left from the HBO 24/7 series. The other 3 coaches have since been fired. Could be a coincidence but…

      • Strummer says:

        It’s getting more difficult to do anything privately.
        Bergevin hires Therrien so he will give a good press conference in both official languages, so more and more questions get asked.
        The team is being recorded and broadcast for 24CH so more details get exposed than there.
        Then there are the reporters on social media.

        ______________________________________________________
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    • sweetmad says:

      Isn’t this what the fans wanted,they all complained that PG,kept everything close to his chest.We all wanted a more open management,and thats what we have.Now the fans are complaining again,no pleasing some people.
      GO HABS GO

      • Habfan10912 says:

        First, MB is the GM and thus far his remarks have created little controversy unfortunately the same cannot be said of the coach. And this is not new to MT’s coaching style. Regardless of whether its fair or not there is now a storm surrounding the teams best player and its coach. The coach has to be the grownup in the room and find a way to make it work.

  35. myron.selby says:

    Hi, chicken little here. This just in – THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

    Seriously, reel it in a little people. Man, if research scientists put in the kind of attention HIO puts into the PK “scandal”, we’d have a cure for cancer by Friday.

    Fearless prediction – PK will be signing for an obscene amount of money for anywhere from 6 to 8 years (8 is my guess although the Habs have never gone that long before).

    And I just hope that all the alarmists on here predicting that Therrien will drive him into the arms of the Maple Laughs will have the good grace to come on here and do some serious mea culpas when that day arrives. Although that I seriously doubt (they’ll already have moved on to the next great Habs mismanagement fiasco).

  36. Bill J says:

    It may have been asked and answered, I just have one question: why isn’t Bournival in the practice lineups posted ?

    Cuz MT surely cannot justify giving DD ice time on the 4th line to bench a guy who was in the running for the molson cup right?


    Go Habs Go!

  37. frontenac1 says:

    @jols. Balance amigo,balance.

  38. frontenac1 says:

    Katrina Witt,Gordeva who ever! Have you seen Chantal at Wandas?

  39. jols101 says:

    @Front, that line would be geared for destruction and mayhem. Not sure why you would want DD and not White centering a line like that.

  40. Chuck says:

    Are the Leafs the luckiest team in the league? A centre man goes down to injury on a Saturday when they don’t play until the following Friday… SIX days to work on a solution, bring in reinforcements, and practice. The Habs most surely would have had to play Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday.

    By the way, the Leafs are near the very top of the league in shooting percentage again, about 1% above the team that follows them. Are they that good, or has the goaltending that they’ve been facing that unspectacular? Will their shooting percentage remain at the 12% mark at the end of the season?

    _______________________
    Anything is possible.

    • Ron says:

      As much as I despise the laffs, they have been getting above average goal tending. Because of this they are winning games they were completely out of. They have been getting some very lucky goals for sure.

  41. T-roy West says:

    Time for MB to really shake things up. This is just a what if line up if Subban was traded.

    Pacioretty – Galchenyuk – Nichushkin
    Simmonds – Eller – Gallagher
    Prust – Bournival – Bourque
    Moen – White – Parros

    You can switch Gallagher and Bourque if you want.

    Markov – Gorges
    Emelin – Beaulieu
    Tinordi – Pateryn

    Trade bait possibilities – Subban, Plekanec, Gionta, Desharnais, Dietz, Thrower, Holland.

    • jols101 says:

      Lets not even consider trading Subban. Although, I love Nichushkin, his ceiling is incredibly high. Malkinish.

      • T-roy West says:

        I was just making a point that life would go on and don’t tell me you wouldn’t love that line up, lol.

        • jols101 says:

          Got to be honest, I would love that line up.

        • christophor says:

          I don’t love trading our best centerman, the best Dman in the league, our best tough-minutes RW, and then some, for an unproven rookie and a good LW.

          Your proposed moves would set the franchise back into the Houle era. It would, indeed, mean that life would NOT go on.

          • T-roy West says:

            Didn’t mean they all get traded. Just that they would be available. BTW I consider Eller as our #1 center not Plekanec. Gionta is UFA next year and won’t be or should not be resigned. We are deep on defence but have an undersized top six. Are you saying that this line up is not better than the one we have now? You should really watch Nischshkin play more because although he is unproven in the NHL he is special player. A power forward that we desperately need. BTW Simmonds is a RW but I put him as a LW because he can play there also.

          • christophor says:

            It is without a doubt not better than the current team.

  42. frontenac1 says:

    @jols. Trevor was plying his unique skills for a few years in the KHL for Vityaz Chekov. He rode shotgun very well for Andre Markaov during the lockout. He was then hired for a Team in Helsinki this year but was just cut. I would love to see a 4th line of Parros, DD and Gillies. Pretty sure he would come cheap if he fresh weekly red meat was part of the deal.

  43. Eddie says:

    Burly, we will never hear Subban say one negative word towards Therrien, nor will he ever complain about his situation. All he will do is take total responsibility for any bad play, accept any criticism from his coach, and continue to try and improve.

    Not only is Subban a terrific player, he is very coachable, and a real pro.

  44. jamman says:

    Just watching Sportcentre, showed Subban completely lay out some 1 in pratice. Looked like Gallagher I hope it wasnt

  45. jedimyrmidon says:

    Ahh classic Dreger, passing on the message from Nonis while saying little to nothing of use. TSN is an ad board for the Leafs: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=435852

  46. Da Hema says:

    Hmm. The Leafs need a centre. Montreal has one to spare. Bergevin has a chance to rectify a problem he created.

  47. HabFab says:

    Fans are CRAZY!
    Whatever happened to the good old days, like a year ago, when we could obsess over what Josh’s boyfriend looked like?
    He looks nice actually… https://twitter.com/maggsmo
    Nice hair!

  48. Timo says:

    So… will Therrien be as patient with Galchenyuk at center as he was with DD?

    Btw, I don’t believe Therrien had a plan to move Galchenyuk to center. He is forced to do that because of DD’s incredible suckage for the past 50 games or so. If Day-Har-Nay was playing ok, Galchenyuk would still be on the wing. I like how Therrien tries to pass it as if it were his plan all along.

  49. Timo says:

    @Front- here is Prust vs Gillies. I think Prusty held his own there. Regardless, lots of balls on Prusts part to go against TG.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQOjNnHKZEg

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Dennis!
      See what fine stories about great people occur if they show up at our Summit my friend.! Now we all got to know you better and can enjoy you even more on this board.
      I did leave a message at the number you gave me, but he has not called as yet.

  50. Dennis says:

    I’m really really proud to have been the subject of a Dave Stubbs story today. Kind of been on a high all day. http://dennis-kane.com/in-the-gazette/

    Dennis-Kane.com

  51. jols101 says:

    @Front, you love your boy, Gillies. Where is he crushing heads these days ? AHL,KHL ?

  52. Timo says:

    I think perhaps Bouillon needs to take a little rest and Habs should give Tiny another go at it.

  53. frontenac1 says:

    Some you guys still don’t like Hockey fights? Really?

    • I truly believe there is a time a place for it. If you got some moron running everyone on the ice, then he has to be taken care of. But sending out line 4 from each team, and then dropping the puck to ring the bell is retarded.

      These guys want to bash each others skulls in then by all means give er but as someone who respects his head more than that, I will never cheer it on.

      I’m not whining about, I just know better. 21 years infantry here, you want to fight, sign the line :lol: Otherwise play the fracking game and score!

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  54. duffy says:

    Apparently they are going to present Price with the Molson Cup before the game tomorrow, that should piss off Halak enough to go for a shut out.

  55. frontenac1 says:

    Parros, DD, Gillies. You Like?

  56. B says:

    From an article earlier this year:

    Subban has long said he doesn’t mind it when coaches are hard on him (“it doesn’t matter what tone he uses, what matters is the message”) and it’s clear Habs boss Michel Therrien is holding his young blueliner to a high standard.

    “The biggest thing you learn is that it’s not about how you feel, it’s just what’s best for the team,” Subban said. “I’m always trying to get better, I know that as a coach he’s trying to make me the best player possible, as well as the 22 other guys in the room.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/improving-subban-shrugs-off-criticism/article10251186/

    –Go Habs Go!–

  57. BigB says:

    Happy to know Yemmi’s coming back.
    Definitely love his style of play. Just one word of caution: I hope fellow fans don’t expect an immediate change in the team’s performance because of him. I even think his own performance might be rather sub par considering he’s rusty and needs to test his body. IMO it could be months before (crossing fingers) we see the old Emelin again.

    Habs forever!

  58. Dunboyne Mike says:

    I don’t get Emelin physics.

    In the vid compilations that were posted here, there are times when Emelin kind of skates up beside a puck-carrier, and next thing — with no big boom — there’s a guy spread-eagled on the ice.

    I get the physics of the hits WITH big booms.

    (Apologies if I lost anyone with my technical language)

    • donmarco says:

      He hits the way football players are taught to hit. Always be lower than your opponent and accelerate through the hit. In almost all of his highlight reel checks his shoulders are aiming for the middle of the opponent’s torso, front or back. That, plus he is a throwback to an earlier era and understands how powerful a well placed hip check can be. His elbows are rarely raised and his feet never leave the ice. Never targets the head as the first point of contact. Textbook, really.

      I just wish more players would hit the way he does. We wouldn’t be seeing the head shots we see now.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Good analysis dm. He’s a beaut, isn’t he?

        But are you seeing the hits I’m seeing? Where you can’t see any immediately obvious transfer of energy (me reaching the very outer limit of my physics vocab).

    • jols101 says:

      He does seem to defy physics. It is like he emits a shock wave that just makes any opposing player crumble if they are in his vicinity.

    • Sportfan says:

      Emelin really knows how to make some beauties without the huge explosive hits.

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  59. sweetmad says:

    I’m sick and tired of hearing who hates who,
    I will tell you what you should do,
    If the media says it,take it with a grain of salt,
    Then wash it down with some kind of malt,(I like ovaltine myself)
    I don’t pretend to know what goes on in the room,
    But I think it’s very dangerous to assume.

    Every body has bad days in their life,
    We all have times full of trouble and strife,
    We make mistakes in the things we say,
    Or maybe, just say something the wrong way,
    When your talking in a language not your own,
    Or maybe it comes out with the wrong tone.

    Listen to what PK says, when he talks,
    He admits he has lots of faults,
    He has no problem with being taught,
    But it makes the fans really fraught,
    To hear that their hero could be better still,
    Ask PK and he says he will.

    So please let this storm in a teacup die,
    She pleads with a smile, but a heavy sigh,
    It’s one more day till we meet the Blues,
    This next game we will not lose,
    We need the points we need some luck,
    We just have to keep shooting the puck.

    I think PK’s capable,of taking care of himself,
    He knows his worth,he’s from the top shelf,
    He doesn’t care what anybody may say,
    He’s only here,co’s he wants to play,
    So come on people give it a rest,
    PK’s confident, he’s one of the best.
    GO HABS GO

    • Bripro says:

      I tried to hum it to Stairway to Heaven.
      …. doesn’t go very well.

      • donmarco says:

        I tried ring around the Rosie. Didn’t work either.

      • sweetmad says:

        Don’t really put it to music,it’s just the words.
        Some one suggested, putting all the poems, on here in a book,and selling them for charity,I would love it if we could do that,I wanted to do it with my poems,that I wrote for the HABS forums,but there is no way I could corrolate them,not on my pc with the programes I have,and I wouldn’t know where to start,but they are all there in the history,there are hundreds,on the HABS forum.

        They could be made into a book and sold for the Kids Foundation,the book would make a great stocking filler for HABS fans,and I might get famous.
        GO HABS GO

  60. JM says:

    Just Imagine At the young age of 31 you could retire with 14-mil would you really care a whole lot about how your playing. That sums up DD … must be the money he put up stats before.

  61. Habfan10912 says:

    Could Emelin return by mid-November?

    • jols101 says:

      If he is practicing without a no-contact jersey his return should be imminent. Mid-November sounds about right.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Jol’s I can’t wait. I think it will make an average defense so much better. Brighter days ate around the corner.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I 100% agree Jim. The even crazier part is that our Defense has been shotty at times really overall has not been that bad and is shown the stats.

          Our goal scoring on the other hand is leaving a lot to be desired.

          I just want to see Emelin back and hopefully he gives the Cube a rest. With Murray, Emelin and Subban tossing out hits our D core is much better than our forwards

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • jols101 says:

          It’s exciting for sure. I miss him in the Habs line-up. I love what he brings. I’m so happy we have him for the rest of this season and at least 4 more after that.

        • Bripro says:

          You might have to hit the edit button again, Mr. Jimanism.
          It looks like the Brighter days want to eat the corner. :D

    • Ron says:

      If he continues on ice drills with the team the way he is I would say very likely. Seeing him with the full contact jersey on really gets our hopes up.

  62. shiram says:

    Don’t know how reliabel this guy is, but it’s an interesting thought.

    gary lawlessVerified account ‏@garylawless

    League sources tell me #NHL will discuss 10-game suspension for goalies leaving their zone to fight much like player leaving bench rule #bn

    • chemic says:

      if its true, once again they play their cards completly wrong. nothing wrong with fights between two goalies when it happend on consent. why cant they just suspend Emery based on his actions by using common sense and back it up with their rulebook?

      • donmarco says:

        Retired referee Paul Stewart weighed in and stated he would have given Emery an additional 5 minute match penalty for “intent to cause an injury to an opponent” which would have carried an automatic league review and opened up the possibility for additional punishment. Because the on ice officials penalized him only for instigating the NHL had no options. Emery is and has always been a punk.

    • Bripro says:

      Does this mean that they’d pick a replacement to sit out?
      For instance, Carey beats up on Thomas….
      …. will Moen sit in the penalty box for 10 games?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks Shiram. If it’s accurate, it would appear to miss the point. There’s a big difference between a goalie losing his cool and leaving his zone to jump a forward who’s been harrassing him, crashing him, maybe hooking his skate or stick etc — ie someone who’s been asking for it — and an Emery-style sociopathic assault on an unwilling opponent who’s never closer than 200 feet.

      Sorry to spoil the party, but I’d love to see the Caps or Holtby press charges. Emery committed a crime.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        No party spoiling from me – a goalie fight should actually carry a penalty for the refs as well … It only happens when they lose control of a game

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  63. rhino514 says:

    I don´t have a problem with Therrien so far, I think he has been a competent coach so far; however I have never liked the term “thoroughbread”. It implies one indidividual is more gifted than others, In a team game such as hockey, I think it becomes abit awkward when one player is singled out in this way. It implies that a thoroughbread is somehow different and that a special set of rules applies. This goes against the grain of the team concept in hockey. I would have preferred Therrien simply said “he is a talented young player who is still learning”
    The other thing with thoroughbread, and this is just my feeling, is that I have seen it used disproportionately with african-american athletes; somehow implying that they are more physically gifted than others yet do not have the wherewithall to properly use their natural talents to their utmost; they have to be constantly “guided” (like a horse).
    I don´t get why anyone would be called a thoroughbread; I don´t get what prupose it serves to put that moniker on somene.
    So A is a thoroughbread and D isn´t. So, what does that change? I don´t get it.

    • Body_of_Price_Repels_You says:

      The last Canadien I have heard the term thoroughbred used for was Carey Price.

    • on2ndthought says:

      I enrolled my kids in a school a decade and a half ago, and asked the principal about the teachers. ” I’ve got thoroughbreds and draft horses” she said. My son got one of each and it was the perfect blend. Different horses for different jobs, one strong and steady, the other brilliant and explosive. It’s up to the coach to hitch the plow to the draft horse and give the thoroughbred his head. Great coaches pull it off, hopefully MT will.

      “a cannonading drive”

  64. Bill says:

    VancouverHab: You have said a lot of outrageous things here on HIO, but to suggest that Valeri Bure is prettier than Katia Gordeeva is beyond the pale.

    Valeri may be pretty, but Katia always has been and always will be one of the prettiest ladies of all time. Valeri is no competition there.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  65. VancouverHab says:

    Jackal: would you mind telling me your age? I don’t ask in any demeaning intent.

    Rather, it is my guess that your wonderfully sunny view of Therrien is a function of youth or young adulthood. Because I’m worrying that my saturnine middle-age might be influencing my detestation of Therrien’s treatment of Subban.

  66. montreal ace says:

    I just finished watching some after practice videos from Brassard, and MT answers quite a few things that are being discussed here. The vids are from official Habs site.

  67. commandant says:

    The Habs face the NHL’s top goal scorer tomorrow night
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/11/04/steens-hard-work-paying-off/

    While we examine the Sabres full scale rebuild.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/11/04/latest-moves-proves-buffalo-making-the-most-of-rebuild/

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  68. sCOTT1243 says:

    I wonder how long this site can go without mentioning the following:

    1) DD being useless.
    2) PK and MT (any reference)
    3) Price being traded

    Dang broken record….first one to mention the above owes all of us a Labatt 50!

  69. VancouverHab says:

    Reply to Dunboyne Mike:

    One of us is misreading the mighty Cobb, because I read his comment on MT & P.K as in line with my position…. (That at this rate Subban will be leaving.)

    • adamhabsalex says:

      The word “mighty” being used to describe a hockey fan that didn’t know Bobby Ryan played in Anaheim and that he was traded during the off season …

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Was only saying that I take Ian’s perspective on PK as first-hand and well-informed. I also like that what he says (and has said) about PK reinforces my own impression of PK, formed without the benefit of Ian’s closer observation. However, I remain unconvinced about getting the knife into MT.

      And I doubt your projections (they are NOT empirical, VH! Come on!) have anything to do with your age (or Jackal’s, of which I am not aware). But since you introduce age as a factor, I can’t suppress an image of Don Quixote charging at the windmill, maybe in this instance shouting menacingly in Anglo-BC French!


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