Emelin skates in full gear; McCarron returned to junior

There were some significant developments before and after the Canadiens’ practice in Brossard Sunday.

For starters, Alexei Emelin (photo above) was on the ice in full gear with strength coach Pierre Allard before practice. It wasn’t Emelin’s first skate since having reconstructive knee surgery in May, but he was in sweats for his workouts last week. The defenceman is on target for a return in early December.

Douglas Murray, who has a lower-body injury, was also out on the ice early, as was forward George Parros, who is recovering from shoulder surgery. Parros was skating for the first time without a non-contact jersey and was part of the regular practice. Travis Moen got a head start as he rejoined the regular practice after missing two days with a lower-body injury.

Also joining in the regular practice were defencemen Francis Bouillon and Nathan Beaulieu. Bouillon has been listed as day-to-day with a lower-body injury, while Beaulieu banged up his shoulder in practice early in training camp and has yet to appear in an exhibition game. 

Eleven players, mostly youngsters who played both games against Carolina, were limited to off-ice training, and the lineup on the ice Sunday was very close to what the roster will look like on opening night Oct. 1 against the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Bell Centre.

Tomas Plekanec was on a line between Rene Bourque and Brian Gionta, while David Desharnais was at centre with Max Pacioretty and Daniel Briere. The two Gallys – Alex Galchenyuk and Brendan Gallagher – were with Lars Eller, and the fourth line had Ryan White between Moen and Brandon Prust. Parros was with Martin St. Pierre and Nick Tarnasky.

The defence pairings were P.K. Subban and Josh Gorges, Andrei Markov and Rafael Diaz, and Bouillon with Beaulieu.

 The off-ice group included a few players who are on the bubble: defencemen Jarred Tinordi, Magnus Nygren and Greg Pateryn, and forward Michael Bournival.

After practice, the Canadiens announced that Michael McCarron, the club’s first-round draft pick this year, was being returned to the junior London Knights of the OHL. The Canadiens also returned forward Sebastian Collberg to Frolunda in the Swedish Elite League, assigned goaltender Dustin Tokarski to the Hamilton Bulldogs and placed forward Nick Tarnasky on waivers for the purpose of sending him to Hamilton.

The Canadiens are back in action Monday night when the New Jersey Devils visit the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., RDS, TSN Radio 690)

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Habs cut first-round pick McCarron, by Pat Hickey

Gionta wears the ‘C’ with class, by Dave Stubbs

Bournival the flavour-of-the-week for Habs, by Jack Todd

Back to health for several Habs, Canadiens.com

Which team is best suited to end Canada’s Stanley Cup drought, montrealgazette.com

No Brodeur father-son act at the Bell Centre for Devils, Stu on Sports blog

Fight night in Toronto video, Leafs vs. Sabres, TSN.ca

Former Hab Riopelle dies at age 92, Ottawa Citizen


  1. Luke says:

    Did John Scott do anything that deserves suspension by the way the league currently rules & not by what we’d like to see called?

    He attempted to fight someone and ended up fighting someone else. I cannot recall anyone being suspended for trying to start a fight before. He certainly didn’t land any punches.

    Now, Kessel and Clarkson did things that should (and have in the past) resulted in suspensions… somehow JS is the only guy who acted within what the league deems allowable.

    If he gets suspended, I think he has a cause to be POed.

    • shiram says:

      Funny how the Leafs remaing the loser of that altercation no matter what.
      Sure they won a pre-season game, but losing Clarkson for 10 games, while his cap hit still counts, that’s gotta hurt.
      Kessel might see some discipline too…

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Scott didn’t do anything that the Leafs wouldn’t like to do to other teams.

      I think Scott did go further by preemptively trying to jump Kessel. My goodness, if that becomes the norm, the NHL will really have fallen further than it already has.

  2. mdp2011 says:

    Reading all the comments here about the Leafs-Sabres last night, I think most posters are missing the point and are laying blame on the wrong people. While I agree that John Scott (or enforcers for that matter) has no business in the game, and that Kessel should have stopped after the first chop, the real culprit of last nights debacle was none other the moron Sabres coach, Ron Rolston.

  3. ClutchNGrab says:

    Line up for tonight as per 98.5:

    Bourque – Plekanec – Prust
    Pacioretty – Desharnais – Briere
    Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallagher
    Moen – White – Bournival

    Gorges – Subban
    Markov – Diaz
    Bouillon – Tinordi

    • FishOutOfWater says:

      i was doing this myself but came up with.
      Bourque – Plekanec – Gallagher
      Pacioretty – Desharnais – Briere
      Galchenyuk – Eller – Prust
      Moen – White – Bournival

      not revolutionary but makes more sense given ellers responsibilities. unless your shaking everything up i dont see prust spending a tonne of time with pleks this season.

      Bourque – Plekanec – Briere
      Pacioretty – Desharnais – Prust
      Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallagher
      Moen – White – Bournival
      this is sorta fun. the roster is full of such fast skaters. again not reinventing the wheel.


      • shiram says:

        Thing is you have to have players fit the role the line is assigned.
        DD gets the exploitation time, O-zone start and hopefully matched against lesser opposition, the style fits Max, both Gallys and Brière.
        Plekanec is playing the 2-way game against the other teams best lines, and because of that probably won’t play with Gallagher, Brière has an outside chance.
        And Prust is nice replacement in a top 6 role, but having him with Pleky/DD reminds me of Jacques Martin pairing Plekanec with Moen.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      COuld very well be our opening day lineup against the Leafs.

  4. habs-hampton says:

    The reason John Scott is in the NHL is that it is easier to teach a 6’8″ guy to play hockey than it is to teach a hockey player to be 6’8″. He’s not even a very good fighter, but he’ll always be 6’8″. And as long as the NHL condones (and encourages it), every team will be looking for a 6’10” guy who can skate a little.

  5. Timo says:

    Haha… Vladimir Malakhov will be on Battle of the Blades this season. I’ll watch that. From NHLer to downhill skier to figure skater. Vlad’s da man!

    Also Brian Savage and Scott Thornton… lots of ex Habs. Don’t know if it’s an indication of anything. Probably.

  6. Phil C says:

    The entire Kessel incident is full of hyperbole. “Swinging his stick” was a few slashes below the knee. The “spear” was a harmless shove with his stick.

    THIS is swinging your stick:

    When you are speared for real, you go down:


  7. DipsyDoodler says:

    The Scott – Kessel drama obscures the more egregious event which took place just before. That Sabres player could have died and may have had his career ruined by that head injury.


    Because he’s trying to make the team – just like the Leaf guy he fought (how many goons do they need by the way?) and NHL hockey tells young kids they can make the team if they fight. Even the Habs and Hab fans do it (did Tinordi increase his chances of staying by fighting? of course he did).

    So two guys trying to impress their coach risk serious injury for no reason that has anything to do with the game of hockey. We need fighters because the other team has fighters. It’s dumb.

    • shiram says:

      Yeah it’s really dumb.
      Thing is neither the NHL nor the NHLPA are really trying to do anything about it.
      And when they do, ie : removing helmets and mandating visors, the “fans” take to their soap box to decry the watering down of the game….

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Well yeah. You don’t need to be a German philosopher to figure that one out.

    • habs-hampton says:

      What irks me about the Tinordi fight, is that he had to defend himself beacuse of a clean open-ice hit (and not even the Gryba-Eller variety). Staal wasn’t hurt or even winded, but God forbid you body check the captain when he’s playing the puck. Gleason (and any player) should get a Game Misconduct for such obvious “payback”. If I’m Eric Staal, I’m embarassed.

  8. New says:

    The comments on the Scott mugging are really interesting. Scott is yapping at Kessel and I am sure it was unpleasant, the usual pre-faceoff placement is occurring and Kessel shoves Scott who drops them. Kessel begins backing away and slashing as two Leafs roar in to hold Scott. Kessel who is an above average sized man himself continues to slash as the Leafs with Clarkson now outnumber the Sabres on the ice, then fights someone smaller or about the same size. Kessel then gathers up his gloves and stick, skates over to where Scott is being restrained, and spears him. The announcers proclaim that the officials have to get Scott off the ice as apparently his breathing bothers the Leafs to no end.

    The little guys on the Habs throw their share of spears and slash faster than a suit losing his bonus check. But they don’t do it when two of their team mates are holding the other guy down. Kessel isn’t the first guy to sucker punch a player being held, but he may be the first guy to do it three or four times with his stick. fight someone else, put his gear back on, and cruise over to spear the fellow.

    Rollerball, brought to you by Gary Bettman and the suits in the tower.

    Yes Kessel could have done something else. He could have backed away as his team mates jumped on Scott’s back. He could have had his fight with someone his size, and he would have been thought none the less of. But he didn’t. He used his stick on a guy being restrained, and having cooled off, did it again.

    Bettman will let it go, rationalized somehow to be something other than a mugging, and in a couple weeks McLaren will rabbit punch someone in the sweet spot and that will be all she wrote. Everyone will rant about how you couldn’t see this coming.

  9. Timo says:

    Boone’s man Francois Gagnon thinks that playoffs are more a dream than reality for the Habs.


    • mrhabby says:

      not much of a gaggggnon fan but it will be 1 dog fight. some good teams may not make it.

    • shiram says:

      I think the new divisions hurt us alot, and we did not really improve much in the off season, we have to count on young players improving.
      Tough season ahead for sure.

      • Timo says:

        We didn’t?! What about Briere? Just like DD and Drewiske I expect him to light it up this season. MB doesn’t make mistakes. Every move has a purpose. Everything is a target.

        • shiram says:

          We could have had (maybe) Ryder for 500k$ less than Brière.
          I’m not sold on Brière at all, and he’s also one to slash people…
          Parros is a non-issue, his play on the ice won’t have any real impact.
          Murray looks slow as molasses and does not replace Emelin.
          So yea… better hope Tinordi is the revelation of the year!

          • Timo says:

            I am more concerned about Habs offense. I do not expect a repeat or a better season from Gallagher or Gallchenyuk. They will be watched more closely. The jury is still out on Eller and you know my opinion on DD and Briere.

            But the biggest block to Habs moving forward is Therrien, imho. I don’t think he has a clue.

          • shiram says:

            Never liked Therrien and still do not, at least he reigned in his persona a little. Decisions like not having PK on the pk are just so weird.
            And yeah it will be tough to repeat the 4th best goals for this season, Brière won’t score as many as Ryder would.
            Bourque has to get back to 20+ goals.
            I’m not too fond of DD either, and hopefully Eller forces the coach’s hand.

          • mrhabby says:

            oh ryder who never showed up in the playoffs …sure lets take that guy back. At least Briere has a proven record in the playoffs.

      • Timo says:

        But quite frankly, I expect Habs to looks like they did last 10 games of the past season – pushed to the outside, not getting within a sniff of the blue paint and getting “hot” goalies game after game. Only this time it will be for 82 instead of 10 games.

        Can’t wait for Michael Therrien’s sophomore season.

  10. ClutchNGrab says:

    Few years ago, after a brawl between the Penguins and the Flyers, a radio station interviewed the head of the FIBA (Basketball) referees. She said (yes, she’s a woman) that their referees live with one thing in mind to prevent those kind of actions:

    “You have to kill the lizard before it becomes a dragon”

    Getting rid of “I think that was a clean hit, even if the guy is laying on the ice” hits and fights, like the one that occurred earlier in the Leafs/Buffalo game opposing Leafs’s 6’5 Jamie Devane to Buffalo’s 5′ 11 Corey Tropp, would go a long way towards that.

  11. The Jackal says:

    UCE hit it on the head. You don’t go from oh bleep oh bleep a neanderthal is gonna kill me to calm and collected. Kessel was justified, plain and simple. Had he just skated away, probably the same posters would be saying how much of a pansy he is and that he should have at least swung his stick. These are the same people who say that fighting is necessary to protect players but then deride Kessel from trying to protect himself from a monster.

    This attitude is the problem with hockey, people think you gotta drop em if one of your guys gets injured, then one dude loses the fight, maybe the guy on the other team gets injured and we have an asinine and useless vicious cycle. Head hunting and fighting exist because there is no framework for protection and redress. Apparently letting players and coaches, who are full of emotion and pumped up on adrenaline, take matters into their own hands is safer than banning these outdated practices and ensuring the safety of players.

    Maybe Carlyle tried to defuse the situation, whatever. The fact is Scott was put on the ice to hurt someone who did not even want to fight or be in that situation, and the only reason Kessel reacted was because the referees allow the BS behaviour of goonery and retaliation. Meh. The fact that Kessel got penalties and is facing suspension is evidence enough that the league is a damn joke when it comes to being responsible about player safety.
    It is time for the hardliners to get their heads out of their colons and smell the coffee.

    • Luke says:

      It’s funny, Scott grabs and pummels poeple for a living, yet Kessel is the one who gets the ‘attempt to injure’ penalty.

      Oh, he did. and deserves it… but it’s funny to me that punching people in the face isn’t considered an attempt to injure…

  12. habstrinifan says:

    Frontenac recalled the Habs Nordique brawl. First ley me admit that I was up and cussing and ‘enjoying’ and basically yelling at the air… so I was just as big an idiot as probably every other fan.

    But the big difference I observed was the professionalism of the announcers. Whereas the announcers in the Sabres-Leafs brawl were acting like absolute idiots.

  13. Timo says:

    I can’t believe the whole broohaha about the TO game. Sheesh!

  14. mark-ID says:

    Looks like it will be our regular NHL lineup tonight. As per John Lu.

    Pacioretty Deharnais Briere
    Bourque Plekanec Prust
    Galchenyuk Eller Gallagher
    Moen Bournival White

    Gorges PK
    Markov Diaz
    Tinordi Bouillon

    Price Budaj

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • shiram says:

      Both Gorges and Diaz in the top 4 is tough… I was really hoping Diaz would find his spot on the 3rd pairing.
      Prust with Plek and Bourque make for an interesting line, but that’s Gio’s spot, once healthy, which leads to Bournival being out.

      • mark-ID says:

        I still there is still a good chance that he takes White’s spot on the fourth line. Bournival with Prust and Moen could be a decent line. Hopefully he plays another good game tonight.

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

      • Luke says:

        Or White… Parros has his spot as well to protect out skill players from the stick swinging rats like Kessel.


    • 24 Cups says:

      Once healthy, Gionta will bounce Prust to the 4th line. Does that mean Dumont and Parros are the extra forwards or will Bournival get his due?

      Tinordi/Bouillon isn’t much of a pairing. Bouillon has to play on his off side while neither one of them can generate much offense. Gorges doesn’t strike me as a top pairing kind of guy while Markov/Diaz don’t bring much physicality. I’m a bit underwhelmed when it comes to our D right now.

  15. Un Canadien errant says:

    While I’m no fan of Randy Carlyle, I believe him when he says that he thought sending out Phil Kessel would defuse the situation, since John Scott wouldn’t have a partner to tango with. Trouble is, that wasn’t going to stop John Scott, he might have had some pretty clear instructions himself, even if they weren’t explicitly spoken by his coach.

    Last spring I blamed Michel Therrien for the line brawl against Ottawa, he put out his big guys and the message was clear, and we looked stupid in the end result. I think Randy Carlyle’s message was just as clear, he wasn’t trying to escalate things, it’s just that John Scott/the Sabres weren’t prepared to accept this message.

    As far as he not having his usual complement of goons, and that played in his decision, well yes, obviously. If he’d dressed them and a couple more, of course he would have accepted the invitation, but in this instance he tried the opposite, and was unsuccessful.

    I fear for the children.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons


    • HabinBurlington says:

      If you believe that UCe, I need to get your contact information and start selling you some products I have available. 🙂

    • New says:

      Or you could look at it as Kessel was supposed to back off while the others jumped Scott and Clarkson led the charge over the boards. When the Sabres didn’t jump onto the ice Carlyle was left in a bad situation. The team bonding exercise was now just seven Leafs against six Sabres, Kessel was slashing and spearing guys being held, and the whole thing went to heck in a hand basket.

  16. Mattyleg says:

    Who’s the lip-reader on here?
    Who can tell me what Kessel said?
    If Scott said: “Me gonna pound you to mush,” I would expect Kessel to say, “yeah, go ahead and try big guy, and you’ll see what you get in return.”

    Is that chirping?
    Do you REALLY think that Kessel ‘goaded’ the largest goon in the league? Really?

    C’mon guys, let’s think a bit.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • bwoar says:

      Pretty sure I read last night that Scott told Kessel he was gonna jump him just before he did it. Sorry I don’t have a source. Doesn’t change my opinion, just an interesting notion.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      After Kessel scored earlier in game he was seen chirping to Scott Matty. Does this constitute a fight? Absolutely not, you have chosen to completely ignore the biased fight which happened the shift prior to Kesselgate. Particularly where the Leaf player ensures that the Sabres players head become part of the ice.

      Everyone in the building knew what was coming on the next shift.

      Lets put everything in perspective.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I do lack perspective in that case.
        I didn’t see what happened before, just the faceoff and the fight itself.

        If you think that Scott going after Kessel was justified due to what happened before, then I’ll have to take your word for it, mate.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  17. kempie says:

    Hey gang,

    Been away for a while, still lurking occasionally but I’ve got my RDS back (I’d boycotted due to the lockout BS – I’m sure the NHL noticed my missing HRR) and I thought I’d chirp back into things here. Last night’s stoopidfest was too much for me to resist.

    A lot of people here are slamming J. Scott, along with Kessel, Clarkson etc. The main point I want to make is basically, “Don’t hate the player…”

    The only reason John Scott is playing in the NHL is because of the league itself. The NHL has made it perfectly clear that they will not give any f***s about player safety, supplementary discipline or any of that sissy stuff. Everything is a ‘hockey play’ and ‘unfortunate’. If a team wants to protect their Galchenyuks and Gallaghers, then they need a Parros and a Prust.

    It’s the Rock ’em Sock ’em, NASCAR on Ice product that the league is cultivating – it makes it easier to sell to their target meathead who has little appreciation for the actual game.

    So, that being the case, each team needs to waste at least one roster spot on a badass who can excel at face punching but isn’t very good at hockey. That’s where JS comes in. Dude is what, 6’8″, 280? He doesn’t ask questions, has no code, he’s penitentiary crazy and knows exactly why he’s there. He’s perfect.

    I don’t like what Kessel did – it was gutless. I didn’t see Emelin do that when Chara jumped him. I guess I can sort of understand the first stick swing but it was still pretty cheap. The next swing was once JS was under a pile of guys and Kessel’s swinging at his ankles. Really cheap. As for Claarkson, I love what he did. In fact, I encourage all Leafs to follow his lead and jump the boards whenever they’re needed out there.

    Anyway, this is the Leafs’ game plan exactly and I don’t shed a tear for them when they run into a John Scott. However, the game of actual hockey has my sympathy.

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    @Mattyleg, regarding Carlyle. I don’t see how Carlyle gets the nod for making a good decision. Buffalo actually was using the exact same methodology which Carlyle usually practises. That is, the next shift after having one of his smaller players punched out, he puts on his goon line. Carlyle knew this was coming, saw that it was coming, and suddenly decides he is the bigger person and puts Kessel out.

    If this were the Detroit Red Wings and Coach Babcock, I can understand your thought. But this is Carlyle, who suddenly thinks he can play/coach both ways. BS to that, Carlyle hung Kessel out to dry and is trying to pretend he is Mother Theresa all of a sudden.

    I posted this link earlier, and suggest you read how even the Leafs own website (similar to our HI/O) saw it.


    • Mattyleg says:

      I guess we’ll agree to disagree on this one.
      I just think that Carlyle relalized that he didn’t have anyone to fight Scott, and anyone he put out there would have got pummelled, so he went with the low card, essentially calling the other coach’s bluff.

      Why, in your opinion, did Carlyle put Kessel out there, then?
      To get his best player injured?
      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  19. bwoar says:

    Kessel shouldn’t have been out there. Neither he nor Scott acquitted themselves very well, so to me it’s a push. Mainly bad coaching from both ends and that’s the reason we’re all talking today.

    The idea that because he’s too small to defend himself, it’s OK for Kessel to swing his stick? Sorry. It’s a hockey stick, not a weapon. I can’t believe some of what I’ve read here, especially from people who don’t condone fighting. So a big guy picked on a little guy? That’s life, get used to it. “He deserved what he got” ?? Can’t argue, but it doesn’t excuse the stickwork itself as an act.

    Kessel plays on a team that’s gonna live and die by the exact same sword as the… ahem… Sabres. I’m saying clearly: it was a matter of time before skilled guys on the Leafs were targeted. And Buffalo – look at Kaleta. The guy will injure anyone without a second thought. Sure, he’s no John Scott, the point is, night after night he’s going after star players who don’t fight. It’s a matter of time before someone tunes up Vanek, or Hodgson, Erhoff, etc. etc. the same way Kessel was jumped. And Scott won’t be on the ice when it happens.


    • DipsyDoodler says:

      “So a big guy picked on a little guy? That’s life, get used to it.”

      Not in the civilized world – not since the ancient Greeks and probably before.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Think we are in complete agreement on this one bwoar.

    • New says:

      You’re right IMHO. Bad coaching. Players get angry as well though and they do try and put the other guy out of the game. Sure they’re sorry afterwards. But at the moment, that exact instant, they fully meant to put that guy onto a stretcher. But then there is fear. To me sticks hit people, fact of the game. But when people aren’t fighting for a puck and a stick hits a temple (Brashear) (Green) or a spleen then you are using the stick to strike the opponent in fear. When the opponent is being held by your team mates I think you should be gone for 20 and the coach for ten. No different than kicking a player.

      Seguin and Kessel will be forever linked by the trade, Rask forgotten. Odd how this is going to turn out. Character for character.

  20. shiram says:

    If anything last night showed us Scott should not be in the NHL, he is useless as a hockey player when not swinging his fists, and he showed clear unwarranted aggression, which should not have it’s place in a fast physical game such as hockey.
    Even if Kessel had antagonized him verbally, it should not be an excuse to jump someone.
    Sure tempers can flare, but if someone cannot have some measure of control over their anger, they should not be on skates on the ice with a stick in their hands.
    Kessel was not justified in slashing Scott, violence begets violence, and if anything he just escalated everything.

    You have to wonder if the Sabres coach wanted to send a message, another thing the NHL could do without.

    As for Clarkson, a stupid move leaving the bench, he might appeal the suspension, but I don’t see how or why he would get out of it.

    And lastly, a clear indicator that having that goons/enforcers is not going to stop violence against your team, if anything it’s a recipe for escalation.

  21. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    Re: Kessel, I noticed as well when he tangled with Flynn, he made sure to get Flynn’s helmet off while keeping his face shield on – the shield is what likely cut Flynn.

    Booby Clarke would be very proud …

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  22. frontenac1 says:

    Finally got my computer up and running to see the”Brawl” in Toronto. Are you Kidding? That”s a Brawl? This is a Brawl amigos.

  23. icedogs22 says:

    Kessel was justified? Really? I can maybe buy that the first swing was justified when Scott came at him. Most peoples’ instinct when attacked by a bear would be to use whatever you have at your disposal to fend him off. Plus, he kept his stick low…no attempt to do significant harm. So maybe I don’t blame him so much for that one…

    However, the subsequent swings at his legs while Scott was tied up with other players is disturbing. He accomplished what he wanted to do…keep him at a distance until someone can come to your rescue. Mission accomplished. But to then take a couple more whacks after the focus had shifted is disgusting. I hope he gets at least 10 games. He won’t though…star players aren’t treated the same and never will.

  24. Eddie says:

    If Carlyle saw Scott out there and he sent Kessel any way, then of course he was trying to take the fight out of Scott’s hands – Carlyle is “full of it” of course when he says he was trying to “diffuse” the situation, but he was taking Scott’s advantage away by believing that Scott would not fight because the “code” would not let him attack a smaller guy.

    Kessel then went on and decided to follow his coach’s strategy. There is definitely something to it when Kessel is egging Scott on.

    Sounds like what Tom had mentioned yesterday. If one team is going to injure our players than they are asking for their better players to get attacked – and forget the “code of ethics” in fighting – you send out your goon and he attacks whoever is lined up against him – this was Kessel.

    Swing your stick, spearing, are you kidding me?

    And somehow people are crazy enough in this world to accept this reaction?

    Kessell could have fallen to the ice and turtled, he could have skated away, he could have made his way to the bench at any time.

    Sending out a goon is bad enough, but that’s “accepted” according to the rules of hockey. Any coach can send out his goon, and the goon can therefore fight anyone on the ice at that time.

    Someone mentioned the “stand your ground” earlier. Well, one of the arguments AGAINST ‘stand your ground” is that you should move away, run away, if you can get away safely. You should not be allowed to shoot someone just because they threaten you.

    Well, you should not be allowed to swing your stick and spear someone in hockey, just because they threaten you.

    Kessel never should have been on the ice, and he should have moved away from Scott immediately. He never should have used his stick.

    I know most of you believe Kessel is “justified” as some kind of “self defence”; I disagree.

    • Mattyleg says:

      If Kessel runs away or turtles, it sends a message to his own team and the rest of the league that he’s gutless and he (and his team) are easily intimidated.

      Running away shows the Sabres that they made the right move, and all other teams will take note, and use it in the future.

      Kessel reacting the way he did shows that he’s not afraid, and will defend himself the only way he can.

      Plus, it’s the pre-season, and he’s sending a message that he’s not going to take any sh!t this season.

      Richard did it when he was subjected to constant provocation, and so it continues.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • bwoar says:

      100% with you Eddie, I completely agree.


    • CERF says:

      always a quality post ED, well written.

  25. The Jackal says:

    As much as I hate the laffs, Kessel did no wrong. This whole thing is just another illustration of the problems of the NHL re. player safety and fighting. How stupid do you have to be to not realize that continuing to allow fighting and unnecessary roughness puts players’ physical and mental health at risk. Who cares if they make millions? What use is that if your brain has chronic problems. Money don’t cure depression or cerebral degeneration.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      what they are leaving out is Kessel was chirping earlier and there was no reason for the second slash. I don’t by any means condone this type of BS because it is just that…bs

      he deserves a suspension for the second stick swing

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Honestly, listening to TSN radio they made it sound like John Scott ferociously tore Kessel apart. He didn’t even land a punch, and he told Kessel before the fight what he was about to do. And Kessel slashed him twice on the leg. Big deal. People get slashed every game. And the spear, I couldn’t tell how hard it was, but it looked like a poke.

      I don’t see either of them getting suspended, unless the insane media forces the NHL to suspend them both… which wouldn’t bother me none

    • JUST ME says:

      Kessel did no wrong ? Swinging your stick at someone is not wrong ? Whatever reason given to use such a move is not justifiable. We can go on and on about the situation but it will not excuse stick swinging i`m sorry.

  26. Un Canadien errant says:

    About fighting in hockey being popular:

    Every single bar owner and manager in Whistler was deadset against the new law banning smoking in licenced establishments, they all moaned that it would drive away customers, they’d lose business, drinking and smoking and socializing went together. They were inextricably entwined.

    When the new law went into effect, a coworker and I ducked our head into a nightclub looking for another colleague, unaware of the change. We didn’t find her, but decided to stay for a drink since there were quite a few other acquaintances. We enjoyed the company and suddenly realized that we could see clear across the dance floor to the other side, and it didn’t reek of cigarettes. It was awesome! We’d been having a good time and subconsciously wondered why it was so pleasant, usually we stayed away from this place. Later we talked about how much more pleasant it was to not have to deal with the nicotine in the air, she mentioned that her hair usually reeked of cigarettes when she got home from the pub, but she felt clean when she got home that night.

    Within a couple of months, everyone had adjusted. A lot of people piped up with their anecdotal evidence of enjoying going to the pub for a pint now. Managers I know mentioned that their business was down, they were pretty sure, although their numbers didn’t really actually show that but they could ‘feel it’, yet they agreed that they were seeing a new clientele, and people they hadn’t seen in a long time back in their establishment for a burger and a beer while watching the game, or play darts after work with friends.

    The hardliners, the lifelong smokers, quite a few of them ended up quitting smoking, this was another good reason to do it. What was the point of smoking if you had to go stand outside in the cold and miss out on the action inside? And the irredeemables adapted, they got a little area out the back door where they congregate and shiver and regret the old days, but they still come out to the pub, what else are they going to do?

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons


  27. Phil C says:

    My two cents on Kessel. Count me in with those who say he has a right to self defense by any means possible. Turtling is a very dangerous option IMO, Scott would keep swinging and it only takes one punch to end your career. I would rather see players try to tie up their opponent rather than turtle, but that wasn’t an option for Kessel against a 6’8″ monster.

    However he kept swinging the stick after Scott was no longer a threat to him which was despicable and suspend-able I hope.

    • punkster says:

      Philsy is one of the fastest skaters in the league and could easily out run Scott…no need to “turtle” and risk anything…just go like hell the other direction and let the hired goons take care of business.

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

    • JUST ME says:

      There are 3 things from yesterday that cannot in any way be justified if hockey is to be kept under control.

      If you are 12 inches taller than your opponent , it is unfair to try to fight him.
      Swinging your stick at someone really means you need to think about things for a while.
      Leaving the bench to fight the opponent is a sign of peabrainism and needs a lot of time off to cure.

      Not even going to bet on the possible suspensions cause i know they won`t be up to par…

    • Cal says:

      So, Kessel couldn’t possibly turn and skate away?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Just to be clear, I don’t approve of stickwork, and I’m no fan of Phil Kessel. But for a lot of posters who say that the first slash was acceptable, but not the second, let’s be reasonable here. You’re asking a guy to go from full-on ‘Holy Crap I’m going to get killed here’ survival mode to Ghandi-mode in the space of two seconds, once he ascertained that two other Leafs were keeping John Scott busy. The latter started this whole mess, he put himself in this position.

      Kind of like a boxer who throws combinations, once you start swinging, you don’t re-assess and question yourself after every punch. If the jab connects, you don’t stop and see if your opponent is okay before you throw your next punch, you keep going with your combination, so you follow the jab with a hook and that with an uppercut. Only when the guy is doubled over or on his knees do you stop mid-combination, and even that’s really hard.

      Besides, don’t you guys watch movies? When the monster/alien/villain is downed by the bloodied hero, what happens? We all know this, he goes to hug and comfort the love interest, and the music subsides…

      UNTIL HE’S UP AGAIN AND HE’S STILL GOING TO KILL THEM!… But then Die Hard puts one in his skull and that finishes him, but he was sloppy he should have done so right away. And that’s what Phil Kessel was doing, he was trying to finish off John Scott, which is really the logical response.

  28. Maritime Ronn says:

    @JohnLuTSNMtl: #Habs Emelin starting to skate in full equipment. Making gradual progress.

  29. thebonscott says:

    if kessel turtles, he still runs the risk of getting hit in the melon 3 or 4 times by someone who has obviously lost their mind. And maybe kessel has too much pride or self respect to turtle, although i doubt it as he does plays for the leafs

    Are you ready for the bee-sting, Subbang!!!!

  30. habstrinifan says:

    I didnt see the Leafs-Sabres brawl. What I do know is that there a re teams which are bent on beating the sh**T out of their opponents.. to set some sort of mark for the season. Leafs andBruins are definitely that type of team. And Carlyle is a goon coach.. he may be a good coach but he is a goon coach.
    How does this relate to HABS. Well you go back and watch Canes/HABS game. Every hit Tinordi make, he had to scrap after and the rest of the players on the ice had to get involved. All because for some reason a) a good clean hard hit somehow draws retaliation… and b)the referees do nothing.

    I dont know who’s right or wrong re the teams that fought. I know the NHL is wrong and is the underlying cause. And those who criticise Bernier… if I were on the ice and I could throw them like him (therefore had the confidence), I wouldnt have held back either. I was letting it all out. His fight, as far as fights go, was clean and dare I say it ‘noble’.
    But it’s all on the NHL… period.

  31. Blade says:

    I was at the Leaf game last night with my 14 year old son. Randy Carlyle should be ripped mercilessly for his ridiculous handling of this. Sabres coach (can’t remember who that is) should be taken to task more…but Carlyle’s move was idiotic as well. After the first initial fight where the Sabre player got hurt, there was a TV timeout while they cleaned everything up and Scott was sent out immediately. He was skating around the Sabres end the entire time out just looking around. My son even said to me, “Just watch, he’s going to attack someone!” Carlyle has the whole timeout to see this and has last change and sends out Kessel to line up against this goon? Moronic! I know he didn’t have any of his tough guys in the lineup, but what the heck is he thinking? The scene was an absolute mess. Poor coaching decisions on both sides.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He had Brodie on the bench, he had Clarkson on the bench, if they are considered tough then I don’t know what. Agree 100% with you, Carlyle showed his own true chicken colours last night. That was his usual tactics being used by Buffalo and suddenly he became a reformed prostitute in two minutes and decided he would send out his preacher to the ice to make things better.

      BS and Classless by Carlyle. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Carlyle is a hypocrite.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I wonder…
        Carlyle probably put Kessel out there because he figured that Scott wouldn’t go after him.
        Big goon out looking for a fight, seems like a good idea to put the last guy he’d want to fight out next to him.

        If Carlyle had put someone else out there, that player would have felt compelled to fight him (why else would his coach have put him out there?). That player, deserving to or not, would have got beat up, possibly injured, and would be a hell of a lot angrier at his coach than Kessel, who probably never imagined that Ding-Dong would go after him.

        If you can’t outsize the player, go the other way.

        I tend to think that Carlyle actually made the best move in a bad situation.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Blade says:

          I hear you BUT now Carlyle loses Clarkson for 10 games because he left the bench to help Kessel. Can yo9u imagine if this was the Habs and MT puts Galchenyuk on and Prust leaves the bench tyo help him? He would be crucified. Bonehead move by Carlyle…pure and simple.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Nah, I don’t think so, Blade.
            Carlyle didn’t make Clarkson jump off the bench.
            It was Clarkson trying to get a place on the team that motivated that particular blunder.
            If Prust had left the bench, we’d be all over him, not the coach.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • mrhabby says:

          yup.agree there.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      So if Carlyle puts out Clarkson or any other of his “tougher” players he’s a goon coach. And if he puts out Kessel (in an obvious attempt to “diffuse” the situation) he’s an idiot.

      As much of an idiot Scott is, no coach in their right mind would have expected to see him attempt to fight Kessel.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yeah, I think Carlyle’s move was a bit too much for Scott’s ‘brain’:

        “D’uh… whaaa? You me have fight? You small to fight! Me fight you goodn’ hard! Why you no bigger?”

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Blade says:

        I see what you guys are saying, but Carlyle has the last change and is simply matching lines with whoever Buffalo puts out. That’s not being a goon coach by matching a tough guy. That is being smart and not risking his #1 offensive weapon. The Sabres coach is the goon coach for putting Scott out in the first place. Carlyle has to be smart there and know that Scott is going to attack someone. It’s silly stuff, but a coach has to be smarter than that.

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          I know Pierre McGuire isn’t the most popular guy around here, but he was interviewed on TSN1050 this morning and he mentioned that Scotty Bowman would do this all the time (putting his skilled players on the ice after the opposing coach has put his goons on). This is not uncommon.

          • Luke says:

            But I’m guessing Bowman didn’t do it on the shift that followed his goon beating up a guy who had just scored.

  32. habs1992 says:

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  33. thebonscott says:

    Not often i agree with berkie


    Are you ready for the bee-sting, Subbang!!!!

  34. Phil C says:

    Some interesting stats from the regular season last year on fighting (source: CBS sports):

    Total Fighting Majors: 691
    Number of players without even one fight: 511/754
    Number of Fights for the top 64 players: 419

    So 8% of the players accounted for 60% of the fighting. 67% of NHL players didn’t even fight once. From Hockey fights.com, only 37% of games had a fight.

    On average there were about .48 fights per game in the regular season, but only .17 fights per game in the playoffs. Only 15 fights in 86 playoff games, when there was the most at stake.

    To me, these stats show that fighting in hockey is a sideshow and that most of the fighting is done by one or two players per team, and they are usually fighting each other. Last night in Toronto was a good example of how its always the same players starting the trouble. The only reason the NHL doesn’t get rid of it is because it is popular among fans.

  35. Sabres Classless, Kessel Guttless, 19 thousand fans clueless!

    Noting more than a bunch of idiots. Who in their right mind goes after a star player who doesn’t fight? He’s an idiot!

    Kessel trying to defend himself with the stick….he’s an idiot.

    Nothing upsets me more than watching people beat up on each other. Life with concussions is hard. Have some freaking respect for your Brain. You only have one.

    Morons, all of them. There is a time a place for fighting, sometimes it’s needed on the ice to settle a heated battle but you match up and go toe to toe.

    You wanna fight, join the infantry! Boxing works? How about those fools who beat each other up in cages. Pft what a joke. Kessel will get 5-10 games right? What an idiot.

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  36. thebonscott says:

    According to habsaddict, habs may be already shopping doug murray. Has anybody else heard this, any other sources??? Wonder what we could get for him??
    From what i have seen, Tinordi>pateryn>>>murray
    Are you ready for the bee-sting, Subbang!!!!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I am sure it is just a rumor. He has played one pre-season game. Once Emelin comes back I could see it if he isn’t doing well We still need the depth on D.

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Phil C says:

      I just read the article, it seems like just speculation (he has a feeling) on behalf of the author because Murray is not practicing. It is not based on any insider knowledge.

      “but I get the feeling that this is just a cover up because he is in the middle of trade talks since Tinordi has been outperforming him.”

  37. commandant says:

    Brenden Morrow signs with the Blues.

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  38. ooder says:

    john scott is a waste of roster space and a complete joke to the game. people here making fun of kesssel.. wtvr i would have done the same thing.. why risk getting hurt by an ogre when you actually know how to play hockey

  39. Mattyleg says:

    Good morning everyone!

    Saw what happened last night in Loafland, and had a good chuckle.
    I have no problem with what Kessel did. Someone like Scott trying to intimidate the smallest and best player on the Leafs deserves everything he gets. It’s pretty obvious that Kessel can’t fight him, so he resorted to the only means neccessary to defend himself.

    I have no problem with that; I’m just disappointed that he didn’t properly injure him with his Bautista act.

    For those of you bemoaning the fact that the game of hockey has deteriorated, I’d like to point out that there are significantly fewer instances of stickwork than there used to be in hockey. That we see so little of it is a good thing, but that it happens (especially in this situation) is not that surprising or disappointing.

    What WOULD have been disappointing would have been a canopy-dweller like Scott using his 4.2 minutes of ice-time to either get Kessel into the penalty box, or worse, beat him up/injure him. As little as I like either Kessel or the Leafs, if we put Galchenyuk into Kessel’s position, we’d be defending him and nailing Scott to the wall, which is where he deserves to be.

    If Kessel gets suspended (which I hope doesn’t happen due to the precedent it will set) then Scott should go down too.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      I agree except that I didn’t like that when the dust settled, Kessel went to Scott who was obviously tied up and gave him a jab with the blade of his stick. If Galchenyuk did that, I would not have been impressed, and you can bet that TSN wouldn’t have let that go unnoticed.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Sorry bud, disagree completely. Kessel can easily skate away from that entire incident. BS to start teaching that as a defence mechanism.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I don’t think there’s any teaching involved, Burly.
        Any huge brawler who picks on a smaller guy better be ready for whatever comes at him.

        Kessel has to save face too, for himself and for his team. If he runs away, he’s a pushover, and opens himself up for rebuke from everyone for not standing up for himself, etc. etc, and that the Leafs are pussies, and can be intimidated by putting a big guy on the ice.

        If Kessel skates away, he’s admitted that he’s intimidated, and that the Sabres have done the right thing, and that will play on the Leafs’ morale. By standing up to Scott the only way he can, he proved that he wasn’t intimidated.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Agreed Matty.

  40. thebonscott says:

    Watching the sabres play the habs last week, i thought, what a team full of dirtbags that is, ott, kaleta, scott, and company, not surprised they were involved. Yet they will be competitive, go figure???

    Are you ready for the bee-sting, Subbang!!!!

  41. Sportfan says:

    Clarkson getting suspended helps us in the first game of the season maybe Kessel will be out too! You know what that means a lot of Colton Orr 😛 Maybe a 1-2 KO punch from Parros will help.

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  42. mdp2011 says:

    Morning all! Not sure if this was posted or not, but some classless Leaf fans ripped out a mural in a Boston bar. As much as we Hab fans hate the Bruins, I would hope that we’re all classy enough not to destroy private property.


  43. derfab says:

    Would rather see a bruiser on RW with Desharnais and Pacs. White looked good enough 2 years ago in camp on a line with Pacs and he can skate. Prust, Parros, Moen could slip in for short stints. Briere would be better with Plekanec. If Pacs has to protect 2 shrimps his production will fall off and he will be a target. Cole fit for a reason. Gionta would be better than Briere but shouldn’t play until he is healthy enough to kick the door off the stable.

    • thebonscott says:

      Rather see briere at centre, and and no desharnais. Just maxpac, briere, and a bruiser (aliu, tarnasky, or a trade acquisition).

      Are you ready for the bee-sting, Subbang!!!!

  44. HabinBurlington says:

    So given the topic du jour, I kind of brought this up earlier, but will ask again. Do you think last nights play with Kessel being placed on the ice in what was a hostile situation, will play out negatively for the Leafs in regards to re-signing him?

    • Luke says:

      I’m not sure, but I hope so.

      I’d love to get that automatic 30 goal scorer off of the Leafs lineup and out of the East if possible. C’mon Minnie!!!!!

    • Sportfan says:

      If Kessel keeps up the look at me I can be tough crap, maybe it will give him a stupid long-term deal, but personally if he keeps up the crap he could get really hurt and effect the negotiations. In the end though if he does get hurt then that’s one less scorer the leafs have and makes it funny to watch. I think Kessel has better odds of getting resigned than Phaneuf at this point.

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    • mdp2011 says:

      Morning HiB, I agree with you. If I am Kessel, I am having a heart to heart chat with my idiot coach after that. We can only hope this has a negative effect on the Leafs and Kessel re-signing.

    • Eddie says:

      I don’t think Kessel wants to sign with Toronto regardless. He has earned a very big pay day, and his American roots seem to be in play here. There are certain players who are so established they can choose their next team, and I think Kessel will end up either in Minnesota or one of the big US markets like New York.

      So no. I don’t think this will play a role. I think his mind was made up before last night.

      • mrhabby says:

        it will have no effect. that being said. The Leafs just can’t let him sign some where else..who will replace Kessel the guy is a sniper. He has dislike for the limelight so why NY?
        Leafs will throw alot of coin his way to keep him.

        • Eddie says:

          there’s only so much money a team can throw around these days. there’s the max, I believe ?% of total cap hit, is that right?

          if he has dislike for limelight, not sure how people know that, but then, yes, I agree, he will not choose New York.

          but Toronto is one of the biggest hockey “limelights” in the world, so he will certainly leave there.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        It almost looks like a no-brainer.
        Kessel goes home to Minnesota to play with buddies Parise/Suter
        Heatley’s $7.5M comes off Minnesota’s books this summer
        Kessel says he won’t negotiate new contract during the season

  45. Luke says:

    Puck Daddy and the Maple Leafs/Sabre Brawl FAQ:


    Of note:

    “Clarkson’s cap hit will remain on the Leafs’ cap through those 10 games, as per Bill Daly’s clarification of the CBA’s rules…”

    My Reaction: HAHAHAHA awesome.

  46. Ian Cobb says:

    This kind of garbage hockey is what we have to look forward to this year.
    Bettman has brought our game to a sick stick swinging level now, and it will get worse under these rules that are not enforced properly on the ice every night.

    Hab’s under Gainey went with the understanding that there were no need of goons taking up space on the bench, according to the NHL of that time. And he stuck to bringing in speed and finesse players. But the league did not follow through with proper enforcement, as was witnessed a few years ago with Boston and Montreal.

    Bergivin sees where this game is headed now and brings in Parros and a few more tougher boys to help protect the smaller and finesse players that we carry on our roster.

    Bergivin and other managers now sees that the league is going the way of cage fighting to fill seats in the US south and not play the game with pride respect and sportsmanship. And they bring in larger and tougher men for protection now that the league does not protect them.

    It is going to be an era of large bullie mentality men on ice, with phoney suspensions and many career ending hospital trips. All for extra millions of dollars at the expense of players bodies and lives that mean nothing to the money hungry people running the NHL today.
    The general public must make a noise to salvage back our beautiful game or it will only get worse.!

    • Old Bald Bird says:


    • Kooch7800 says:

      I 1000% agree with your post Ian. Unfortunately, Bettman is such a Jerk that when Air Canada threatened to pull their sponsorship over the Chara incident he flat out told them in the media to go ahead and they will never fly air canada they will use other airlines.

      He is an A-hole
      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • thebonscott says:

      Well said and all true Ian, that is why we need to favor large men with moderate talent over small men with good talent. If a player is smaller and has exceptional talent, then take a chance on him, other than that pick the big guy. I don’t like it but that is the new NHL.

      Are you ready for the bee-sting, Subbang!!!!

    • Luke says:

      Sorry Ian, But I have to disagree with you on the point that fighting is to appeal to the US audience.
      It’s us Canadians who love the goon show.

      In all of the most popular team sports in the US, fighting is an automatic ejection and probable suspension.

      In US College hockey there is no fighting.

      In Canada we let 20 years olds fight 16 year olds in Junior hockey…

  47. Max says:

    Man oh man,those Leafs are losers.Mr.Awkward,Phil Kessel gets pushed by a goon and then he starts acting all sissy by swinging his stick multiple times and spearing.

    Scott wouldn’t have actually fought Mr.Awkward,he was just getting him and the loser laffs going.

    Then you have the 7 or 8 million dollar loser Clarkson,a third liner,jump off the bench and try to act like a tough guy.

    Even Leaf fans say he’s been virtually invisible during the exhibition games and he’ll get about ten games to sit and count his money that the Leafs foolishly overspent on him.

    Then you get a notorious hothead in Bernier,trying to goad Miller,who didn’t want to fight, into a goalie brawl.Bernier should get a few games for skating down the ice and starting up that nonsense with a guy that wanted nothing to do with it.

    Loser team all around.

  48. Strummer says:

    The debacle in Toronto last night is another example of why fighting should be penalized with an ejection and a major- like is done in most other hockey jurisdictions and other pro sports leagues.
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Mattyleg says:

      Probem with that, Strummer, is that all fourth-line lugs need to do is drop their gloves with guys like Kessel, and they’re both off.
      Buffalo: 1, Toronto: 0.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Strummer says:

        Edit: The instigator would be ejected and if the other player fought back he could stay if it were self-defense.

        If there was no fighting tolerated then 4th liners may be more skilled than they are now- teams could roll 4 offensive lines.

        The likes of Parros, Scott, Orr etc would be out of work

        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  49. Maritime Ronn says:

    It’s going to be interesting how the NHL Rules on the Kessel Match Penalty as nothng is automatic.

    61.8 Fines and Suspensions – There are NO specified fines or
    suspensions for Slashing, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 28).

    62.6 Fines and Suspensions – There are NO specified fines or
    suspensions for Spearing, however, supplementary discipline can be applied by the Commissioner at his discretion (refer to Rule 28).

    28 .1 Supplementary Discipline – In addition to the automatic fines and suspensions imposed under these rules, the Commissioner MAY, at HIS discretion, investigate any incident that occurs in connection with any pre-season, Exhibition, League or Playoff game and may assess additional fines and/or suspensions for any offense committed during the course of a game or any aftermath thereof by a player, goalkeeper, Trainer, Manager, Coach or non-playing Club personnel or Club executive, whether or not such offense has been penalized by the Referee.

  50. Old Bald Bird says:

    Finally saw the fight video. Kessel made a wee mistake by beginning to shove Scott. He kind of started the whole thing IMO. Not that Scott’s reaction wasn’t completely over the top, but Kessel should show some common sense. It sure would be nice to see a bucket load of suspensions.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      According to Kessel in the post game presser:
      ” he (Scot) said he was going to jump me”


    • Luke says:

      Saying that the Kessel shove kind of starts the whole thing is like saying Paccioretty’s pushing past Chara after the OT winner started that whole thing.

      I’m not a Kessel or Leaf fan, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

      Carlyle putting undersized Kessel out against Gigantic Scott, immediatly after a Giant Leaf just pummelled the Sabres’ undersized goal scorer was absolutely idiotic.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Nothing like Patches and Chara, which was games later not in the heat of battle. Chara is a vengeful beast.

        What I am trying to get at is that if you’re Kessel, you don’t begin to jaw and shove a monster like Scott.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Carlyle was funny trying to take the high ground saying he put the Bozak Kessel line to deflate things.

        What he didn”t say was that Orr and McLaren were not dressed and he didn’t have that option to keep putting out cement heads

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Noticed that as well, I also still think Carlyle is a two faced twit in this whole mess. He knew exactly what was coming and put Kessel in the middle of it. Interesting how Carlyle coaches when he doesn’t have Ape#1 and Ape#2 available to him.

  51. JO says:

    The leafs think they can win a cup with 4 or 5 goons. Wrong. They could win with 4 or five tough guys that’s the Bruins style and they showed them last year in the playoffs and they’re gonna show them again this year if the Leafs make it that far.

    Goons are losers. Tough Guys are winners.

  52. Sportfan says:

    Brendan Morrow is now a Blue as per Dreger on twitter the dream is over 🙁

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  53. mrhabby says:

    Frontier justice is alive and well in the NHL.
    What a bunch of losers and so glad Clarskson is gone for 10 games. Leafs will brawl there way through the season.
    What a bunch of idiots…like little kids.

  54. frontenac1 says:

    Hey amigos,haven’t been able to see the Habs yet due to my walkabout. Back home now. When is the next game? Can’t wait to see Les Boys.

  55. Sportfan says:

    I know Kessel didn’t want to get jumped by Scott, who would? BUT he was even more pathetic in slashing him, the first one I could let slide; BUT the second he did while scott was jumped by two Leafs was pathetic, he is pathetic and I wish Scott had landed a shot or two on Kessel.

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  56. habs-fan-84 says:

    If that’s John Scott picking on Galchenyuk (or any of our other young stars) I have no problem with them defending themselves the way Kessel did. It’s not like Kessel tried to take off Scott’s head (Perezhogin style), he simply defended himself by hacking at his legs. If Kessel gets anything I’ll be surprised. The only way I see Kessel getting suspended is for his spear on Scott later one. Otherwise a fine is the most Kessel gets imo.

    • Luke says:

      I agree.
      I thought it was the second slash after Scott was getting piled on that would be the issue. I didn’t see a spear on TSN this AM.

      This first slash “COULD” be justified… I mean, if the NHL can justify some guy trying to punch another guy in the head repeatedly (“But, you keep your hats on boys…”) then you could probably look the other way on the first slash…

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        Fair enough, I just went back and re-watched the video. At that point the second slash was unnecessary. Not to excuse it, but in the heat of the moment we can all do things that we regret. Clearly Kessel was pis*** for even having to be put in that situation (defending himself against Scott).

    • Sportfan says:

      Its the second hack which will be the issue, he slashed him while jumped by two laughs. I remember last year when PK tried to hit him and he jumped him.

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  57. Sportfan says:

    Sad to see McCarron go, but he makes me really excited for when he’s ready to play in Montreal, hopefully it’ll be just a few years.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      We knew he wasn’t going to make it but I am happy with how he played in his first camp. Much better than i thought he would be.

      The Hunters will have him playing in fine form in Jr

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  58. Habfan10912 says:

    Forgot to wish everyone a good morning. I’ll go sit in the box for two minutes. Before I head off here is my Bornival post for the day.

    If you’re MB it’s your job to find room for this kid. He’s done his job now do yours.

    CHeers all and its all yours Trini.

    • Cal says:

      Bournival will get a spot if Gionta isn’t ready or there are trades done. He may have to start in Hamilton and be first call up.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I’m all hollered out. Gonna just sit back and let coach MT do his thing.

      His lines for practices are:

      DD/Briere/Pacioretty;Plekanec/Bourque and ?? (is it Gionta?).

      I guess those are the players who as MB says will be getting us into the playoffs for I can tell you one, thing which has been proven time and time again… those AREN’T the players who will get us through the playoffs.

      I cant understand looking at the team and the results and recent history and the specific nature of these players, why we arent trying to integrate our ‘bigger and more aggressive’ newcomers into leading lines.

      But that’s it for me… Mt knows what he’s doing.

  59. Maritime Ronn says:

    Clarkson’s 10 game regular season suspension will cost him $548,780 an 49 cents of his Salary this year.

    70.10 Fines and Suspensions – The first player to leave the players’ or penalty bench illegally during an altercation OR for the purpose of starting an altercation from either or both teams shall be suspended automatically without pay for the next ten (10)regular League and/or Play-off games of his team.

    • Sportfan says:

      The rule should be every player leaving the bench not just the first.

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      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi Sportfan
        The Rule does cover the other ones:

        70.10 Fines and Suspensions –

        …The second player to leave the players’ or penalty bench illegally
        during an altercation or for the purpose of starting an altercation from either or both teams shall be suspended automatically without pay for the next five (5) regular League and/or Play-off games.”

        I didn’t see anything about 3rd-4th-5th….

  60. Ian Cobb says:

    I missed what happened in Toronto!! Does anyone have a clip of what happened.????

  61. frontenac1 says:

    Bit of a Rhubarb in Hogtown last night eh? John Scott and Kessel? What the hell did Kessel do to set Scott off?

    • scavanau says:

      Kessel sure looked scared. Notice the 2nd slash he did to the back of Scotts leg while Scott was engaged with about 3 others?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        BS slashing by Kessel, hope he gets a sizeable suspension, no reason he couldn’t just skate away from that. His linemates were always going to jump in. Scott is a moron, but no different than the usual apes dressed by the Leafs, Orr and Maclaren.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I Don’t disagree Steve. I will say that Parros isn’t as much of a head hunter on the ice as those other players, but his role indeed is the same.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I am with you Burly
          Orr went after pleks last year with a knee and then sucker punched Bourque which more than likely is what gave him the concussion that made him miss the majority of the shortened season.

          I don’t agree with what Scott did by any stretch but the Leafs should remember their style of play is just as bad

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      @Front, Leafs had a much larger player beat the tar out of a much smaller Sabres player the shift before. Also prior to that shift Kessel did do some jawing with Scott, but nothing to deserve what Scott planned for him.

      The real issue was, Carlyle and everyone on the Leafs bench knew what was coming, and Carlyle decided that he would suddenly play Pacifist and put out his #1 line against the Sabres Goon line. I am not trying to endorse fighting, but Carlyle is as much to blame for that scenario as anyone. Particularly given the style of game he usually coaches. Even the Leaf fans at website pension plan puppets disagree with Carlyle.


      • Luke says:

        Good morning!

        The earlier fight also ended with Devane dropping on top of the smaller Tropp and driving his forearm/elbow into Tropp’s jaw as his head made contact with the ice.
        Now, I am not sure who started this fight, though to be fair. So it might be (and the Leafs are saying it is) that Tropp started it.

        I don’t think the Leafs have any ground to stand on with regards to Scott being on the ice against a real hockey player. We all recall Orr taking a 20 foot run at Plekanec’s knee and cold-cocking Bourque with a pre-emptive strike.

        Last night is the type of hockey the Leafs endorse. They carry two designated glove droppers on the roster and hold press conferences to lament to dimishing role that they have in the game.

        With regards to Clarkson. Wow. Dumb move Brainiac.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Thanks amigo! Bernier tuned Miller? I think Carey would fill in Bernier.Saludos!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      According to Kessel in the post game presser, ” he (Scot) said he was going to jump me”


    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Front, there’s no point trying to figure out what Phil Kessel said, John Scott started that. He came on the ice with the intention of starting a fight, with the Leafs best, smallest player to boot.

  62. 24 Cups says:

    I am assuming that Clarkson will be getting an automatic 10 game suspension. That’s 1/8 of the laff’s season. Toronto will be one of the teams that the Habs will be fighting with for a playoff spot so I assume this has to be viewed as good news.

    I realize Kessel was totally outmatched against one of the best fighters in the league but his double slashing of Scott is going to lead to some kind of payback.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I guess Scott doesn’t adhere to “The code”. Not a Leaf defender but that was shameful.

      Edit: I’ve said it before and will keep saying it until my final breath, there is absolutely no place for a player like Scott in the NHL. He can star in movies with Paul Newman.

      • JO says:

        Too many small players you’ll never win a cup in today’s NHL. You’ll be beat to death before you make it there!!

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Then you should be happy where the sport is today. I’m not. Crap like last night makes me sick.
          If people actually think that crap sells this game or leads to Cups they haven’t been paying attention. There is s big difference between being physical and being a bunch of goons. Last night was goonism at its best. Allow be to repeat, no room in a legitimate sport for that crap.

          • Cal says:

            As long as Campbell’s making big bucks running the Goon Show nothing will truly change.
            I want physicality in the game, but don’t want cheap shots to the head. I want speed and skill to be rewarded and not hindered by talentless thugs. In other words, I want the NHL to reform and get rid of the UFC attitude.

          • Small_Town_Boy says:


            Were U old enough to watch the Broad Street Bullies?

            Dat’s wha me tinks

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Small town – yes, and I enjoyed it greatly when the Habs SAVED the game from those idiots. My opinion has not changed.

        • punkster says:

          Ya, sucks how the Hawks blew that theory out of the water…again.

          Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
          ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  63. Maritime Ronn says:

    From the Jack Todd column this AM:
    Headline: Bournival Flavour of The Week

    “…Thus the outcry for Bournival,….He doesn’t appear to be destined to be more than a bottom-six forward and he would be another smallish player (taller than the others, but no heavier) on a team that is overstocked in that category with Brian Gionta, Brendan Gallagher, Danny Brière and Desharnais.”
    “Another smallish forward? Taller but NO heavier?”

    None of us know at this point in time whether Michael Bournival will play for the Habs this year (start/call up) – or next year – or the year after, or perhaps never, yet to flat out misrepresent facts is either 1 of 2 things:
    An honest mistake, or outright lazy journalism with an agenda.

    Be that as it may, if the large part of a column is based on comparative heights/weights/sizes, one would expect some basic fact checking before the spewing.

    Sources: Habs Official Web Site:

    So what do the facts say?
    Brian Gionta: 5′ 7″-176
    Brendan Gallagher: 5′ 9″-180
    Daniel Briere: 5′ 9″ – 174
    David Desharnais:5′ 7″ 170

    Then this:
    *Michaël Bournival: 5′ 11″ 196
    Tomas Plekanec: 5′ 11″-196

    Exactly the same size, yet does anyone call Plekanec smallish?
    Bournival is also between 16-26 pounds heavier than the Todd comparables

    Or this:
    Michaël Bournival: 5′ 11″ 196
    Chris Kunitz: 6′ 0″-195
    Gregory Campbell: 6′ 0″-197
    Dave Bolland: 6′ 0″ 184
    Does anyone call Kunitz, Campbell, or Bolland “smallish?”
    Or, is it that Bournival is ‘1 inch less tall’ that makes the difference between smallish and big/rugged?

  64. HabinBurlington says:

    Hmmmm, so the Oilers seem to be rather short on depth at the center ice position…….

  65. Eddie says:

    I guess there is method to the NHL’s madness and it is called “marketing” or “selling” the game.

    When was the last time an exhibition game got so much attention for a goal being scored, or a great save?

    This is all about creating more interest, driving up TV ratings and advertising dollars.

    The players share in the revenue as well, so they know exactly what this is about.

    It’s not really hockey, it’s a kind of hybrid between hockey, MMA, and the old Roller Dirby races.

    The skilled players still keep playing, but now they mix in the goonery to drive up the interest from people otherwise not interested in watching hockey.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Watching Tropp fall to the ice was indeed a very scary incident to watch. I hope he is okay, the link you provided is indeed a reminder of how dangerous fighting can be.

      A sad display of the game in Toronto last night. Both teams should be embarrassed for their actions.

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    Regarding the Leafs/Sabres UFC event last night.

    Randy Carlyle says that he put the Kessel/Bozak/Ashton line on the ice for the next shift in order to diffuse the situation. This is an interesting perspective as Toronto was the home team and Carlyle saw the line which Buffalo had on the ice.

    Since when does Carlyle not want to see fighting in hockey. The teams he coaches in the NHL have lead the league or been among the league leaders in fighting majors for years now.

    Instead Carlyle decided he would use Kessel as a guinea pig to go on the ice and have this prevent the other team from fighting. I understand Kessel not wanting to fight, and I am unsure what he does legally to prevent Scott from killing him. However, immediately upon other players engaging with Scott, Kessel needs to stop any stickwork on Scott.

    This morning if I am Kessel, I am wondering why my neandrathal coach suddenly decides to be anti-fighting and uses me as a sacrificial lamb. I can’t help but wonder how this affects Kessel and his agent as it relates to accepting a contract extension with the Maple Leafs.

    Then you have the prized UFA signing of the Leafs leaving the bench to scrap, which everyone knows is a 10 game suspension. This is not a smart move, as the Leafs will now begin the season without their new prized possession.

    And yes somewhere in a bar in New York City, Bettman and Daly are sitting there enjoying all the publicity their game is getting.

    • Cal says:

      Hi Burly,
      I’m thinking this has more to do with Kessel being voted the easiest player in the NHL to intimidate.
      Back to backs in the pre-season are leading to some gong shows or games like Saturday night’s Habs game, where most of the team doesn’t show up.

  67. zephyr says:

    this crap with the leafs & sabres is not new. poor reffing diminishes the game to the lowest common denominator.
    I can’t forget that the refs facilitated ottawa’s goonery last playoffs. I said at the time that it looked like the series was fixed & that ottawa would be dumbfounded to get no such benefit from the refs in round 2. that’s exactly what happened. I enjoy hockey. I got rds to watch the habs this season. i’d like to think bettman isn’t such a mercenary businessman that he’d discriminate against Canadian teams – esp the ones that are in the best financial shape like mtl.. at best, by allowing that crap to happen, the refs handed the series over to the less-talented goons. almost anyone can hook a fast player or cross-check him from behind to take him out of the play.
    I wish mickey mouse didn’t have a gary bettman watch.
    if this garbage continues, then at least it won’t be done to us with impunity this year. that being said, I was sad to see Gallagher get thrown to the ice & his face pushed into the ice time & again by Carolina the other nite. no penalty. Carolina did get one but it was another guy for putting eller in a headlock. that crap has to stop. I don’t care if it’s eric staal. he needs to get hammered for that because the refs are useless.
    therrien had no size dressed for that game & I had a feeling Carolina would take liberties & they did.
    contrast Carolina’s abuse with prust’s good-natured pat on the head after accommodating corrente (?) for a fight the game before. too bad more nhl players don’t respect each other.
    it’s gonna be frontier justice in the nhl this year because there is no law enforcement.

  68. Maritime Ronn says:

    While all the Leafs Sabres junk was going on last night, Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell were eating Red Bull laced popcorn watching the rerun of their favorite movie Slap Shot

    Slap Shot Scene:
    Hyannisport broadcaster: The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I’d be standing up to them!”

    Bettman: ” Hey Colie, that sounds like Joe Bowen”
    Campbell: “He learned good Gary. He learned good”

    Scene From Slap Shot:
    Jim Carr: Here’s a name for you nostalgia fans: Clarence “Screaming Buffalo” Swamptown. I’ll never forget an exclusive interview in which Swamptown revealed that he calls his hockey stick the “Big Tomahawk,”

    Bettman: ” Clarence…I mean Colie, what are we going to do with Tomahawk Kessel?”
    Campbell: You can call me Clarence, Gary, ’cause it’s me that runs the League. I’ll tell Shanny a game or 2 not more. We don’t want Rogers/Bell going nuts. Who’s gonna pay the bills for Florida and Charles on Long Island if they get p*ssed. We need dat big transfer money from Canuckland.”

    Scene From Slap Shot:
    McGrath: Are you nuts? A bounty? We could all end up in the clinker for this. You can’t put a bounty on a man’s head.
    Reggie Dunlop: Bullsheet. I just did.
    [Hangs up, Phone rings again]
    Dave ‘Killer’ Carlson: Coach, I want that hundred dollars.
    Reggie Dunlop: Ya gotta earn it, Killer.
    Dave ‘Killer’ Carlson: My attitude’s right.

    Bettman: “Hey Colie, remember when….”
    Campbell: “Shut up Gary. Just shut up.”

  69. SlovakHab says:

    If Kessel goes unpunished for his stickwork, we will see it again in the future.

    Or do we want NHL to set up rules like: Using your stick as a weapon is only allowed when you are 7+ inches shorter. So that players shorter 6 by inches get penalized for defending themselves?
    Also, were Kessel not a star player, would he get more games? Let’s say Dumont or White did that – do they get the same treatment as Kessel?

    I think having the same measuring stick is important, therefore:
    – using stick as a weapon is not permitted and is suspendable in all cases

    Clarkson 10 games
    Scott 7 games
    Kessel 3 games

    • slapshot777 says:

      They gave Cammalleri a suspension a couple of years back when he was with the Habs in a preseason game in Quebec against the Islanders when he used his stick on Neiderrater. Same kinda deal Cammy was the shorter player and there was an altercation and Cammy ended up using his stick.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

    • Luke says:

      I don’t see why Scott gets a single game at all. What he did is perfectly legal in the NHL. He tried to fight Kessel & Kessel backed off. Many other folks jumped in.

      Scott didn’t get a hold of an unwilling participant… but that’s also never been punished further by the NHL anyways.

  70. habs1992 says:

    Gallagher, Galchenyuk, and Tinordi have impressed me so far. Not enough to make me look twice, but enough to make me notice.
    Now as for Briere, well some things in life just make you wonder.
    If your wondering why im up at 3.30 GTA 5 came out.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  71. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    From the highlights I saw on tsn, Kessel was jawing away at Scott earlier in the game, and probably got under Scott’s skin. Scott is a thug and Kessel is a weasel, so a perfect storm ensued. Kessel should not have slashed or speared Scott. Scott should have endured Kessel’s big mouth. I say give them both 10 games. Send a message.

  72. Whatever says:

    I’m assuming that Scott didn’t like 6’5 220 lbs Devane fighting 6’0 180 lbs Tropp. One’s a fighter and one isn’t, take a guess. So, Scott figured it was free game. Although, the replay shows Tropp was more than willing to fight Devane, and paid for it.

    Scott isn’t justified, nor is Kessel for the spear far afterward.

    Bottomline: Clarkson is gone for 10. Kessel probably for our first game. Toronto fans only have fights to cheer about.

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