Emelin skates in full gear; McCarron returned to junior

There were some significant developments before and after the Canadiens’ practice in Brossard Sunday.

For starters, Alexei Emelin (photo above) was on the ice in full gear with strength coach Pierre Allard before practice. It wasn’t Emelin’s first skate since having reconstructive knee surgery in May, but he was in sweats for his workouts last week. The defenceman is on target for a return in early December.

Douglas Murray, who has a lower-body injury, was also out on the ice early, as was forward George Parros, who is recovering from shoulder surgery. Parros was skating for the first time without a non-contact jersey and was part of the regular practice. Travis Moen got a head start as he rejoined the regular practice after missing two days with a lower-body injury.

Also joining in the regular practice were defencemen Francis Bouillon and Nathan Beaulieu. Bouillon has been listed as day-to-day with a lower-body injury, while Beaulieu banged up his shoulder in practice early in training camp and has yet to appear in an exhibition game. 

Eleven players, mostly youngsters who played both games against Carolina, were limited to off-ice training, and the lineup on the ice Sunday was very close to what the roster will look like on opening night Oct. 1 against the Toronto Maple Leafs at the Bell Centre.

Tomas Plekanec was on a line between Rene Bourque and Brian Gionta, while David Desharnais was at centre with Max Pacioretty and Daniel Briere. The two Gallys – Alex Galchenyuk and Brendan Gallagher – were with Lars Eller, and the fourth line had Ryan White between Moen and Brandon Prust. Parros was with Martin St. Pierre and Nick Tarnasky.

The defence pairings were P.K. Subban and Josh Gorges, Andrei Markov and Rafael Diaz, and Bouillon with Beaulieu.

 The off-ice group included a few players who are on the bubble: defencemen Jarred Tinordi, Magnus Nygren and Greg Pateryn, and forward Michael Bournival.

After practice, the Canadiens announced that Michael McCarron, the club’s first-round draft pick this year, was being returned to the junior London Knights of the OHL. The Canadiens also returned forward Sebastian Collberg to Frolunda in the Swedish Elite League, assigned goaltender Dustin Tokarski to the Hamilton Bulldogs and placed forward Nick Tarnasky on waivers for the purpose of sending him to Hamilton.

The Canadiens are back in action Monday night when the New Jersey Devils visit the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., RDS, TSN Radio 690)

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Habs cut first-round pick McCarron, by Pat Hickey

Gionta wears the ‘C’ with class, by Dave Stubbs

Bournival the flavour-of-the-week for Habs, by Jack Todd

Back to health for several Habs, Canadiens.com

Which team is best suited to end Canada’s Stanley Cup drought, montrealgazette.com

No Brodeur father-son act at the Bell Centre for Devils, Stu on Sports blog

Fight night in Toronto video, Leafs vs. Sabres, TSN.ca

Former Hab Riopelle dies at age 92, Ottawa Citizen


  1. Un Canadien errant says:

    I tried to post a reply to StevieRay’s post on the lunacy tonight in Toronto, but ran afoul of the HIO Gremlins. Can’t begin to understand why. Maybe it’s my characterization of “Homer” Joe Bowen and his accomplice. Or of the kind of measuring stick comp that went on.

    Anyway, instead of sanitizing it, here’s the raw, unexpurgated version.


    • Whatever says:

      Kessel speared Scott after it was all over and Scott was contained. Attempt to injure.

    • Habilis says:

      I agree that what Kessel did initially was pretty understandable. He can’t be letting John Scott get off even one clean punch because Scott could literally kill him. The extra stuff is a little much, but it’s not like he two handed Scott in the face, he went down low each time.

      Don Cherry actually made a great point in all of this on twitter that I agree with. The gist of it was: Why is Phil Kessel lined up opposite John Scott on the shift after a Buffalo player got knocked cold? Leafs were the home team here, so they had last change.

      I’m not defending Scott’s actions, because he shouldn’t be going after Kessel, and I hope Scott gets suspended. But Carlye knows that Scott’s only on the ice for one reason. Everyone in the building knew he was going to fight someone. Kessel was the closest Leaf. It’s a bad move on Carlyle’s part to let that situation develop when it’s preventable.

  2. Marc10 says:

    Here’s hoping the Leafs and Sabres (and Bruins, Sens and Flyers) spend the bulk of the season smashing their faces in and show up beaten up and gassed when they play our boys or skilled teams like the Pens and the Wings.

    That’s how this nonsense ends. When the goons lose focus, get injured and fail to make the playoffs. Imagine missing all that gate while overpaying a third liner… Nice!

  3. chanchilla says:

    I’m pretty sure Kessel gets an automatic suspension for attempting to injure a player, he’s suspended from play until a decision is made.

  4. durocher says:

    Good, Clarkson (and maybe others) will be suspended for our first regular season game, which is against the Leafs.

  5. DipsyDoodler says:

    In fairness to Scott, he plays the role to the hilt. He’s totally unencumbered by any notion of ethics or empathy, like a cartoon villain. If you’re going to be John Scott, be John Scott to the fullest extent.

  6. jedimyrmidon says:

    Everyone (meaning the Toronto media posing as the Canadian media) is in an uproar over Scott jumping Kessel.

    Of course, when the Habs played the Sabres, there was nary a peep when Kaleta actually started punching Galchenyuk after Galchenyuk delivered a completely legal and clean hit on McBain.

  7. Bill says:

    @DDO, I’m with you. What’s a normal sized guy supposed to do when a guy the size of Scott attacks him? Just let him punch you? Use a stick, sure. A baseball bat or broken bottle or a flamethrower would be a better bet, but Kessel had limited options

    • Alvin says:

      I’m with you Punkster !!

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Kessel had a split second to react. Everybody forgets how long Thorton was out after Scott knocked him out. Anyway, I just don’t understand why everyone is talking about Kessel and Clarkson and not Scott. A goon was blatantly sent on the ice to assault an opposing player. NHL needs to wake up before someone gets seriously hurt by one of these monsters…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        I guess the reason is that the Leafs like to initiate the kind of thing Scott initiated, and these same Leafs seem to enjoy pushing the Habs around in a similar way so… too bad for them.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          True when “you live by the sword, you sometimes die by the sword”. All I know is that this whole thing is a joke and the NHL should be embarrassed.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • punkster says:

      I don’t give Kessel a pass on this.

      I’m certainly not a fan of scum like Scott being allowed to even lace ’em up for a professional team.

      Maybe the league should allow anyone to stick swing and spear in retaliation for being accosted by goons…it would probably thin the goon ranks in a hurry…but where would it end?

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Problem with allowing stickwork like Kessel’s: it sets a precedent where using your stick as a weapon is ‘okay’. If the NHL isn’t foolish (right…), they would slam the door to the possibility of letting stickwork become an appropriate way to defend yourself.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Bill and I did not say the NHL should allow stickwork. I even said Kessel should be suspended. All we said is that we don’t blame Kessel’s initial reaction under those circumstances. I can’t imagine what goes through someone’s mind when suddenly a guy that big is throwing punches at his head. That was not a hockey play at all so “hockey etiquette” should not apply to the initial altercation.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  8. Alvin says:

    To Bob McKENZIE …” Optics of stick swinging never great but in relative terms, not really heinous ”

    Relative to what Bob…. stabbing a person in the gut ?

  9. punkster says:

    Just my opinion:

    – Scott is scum
    – both of Kessel’s attempted two handers and his spear to Scott later when Scott is tied up by a Loaf and a ref makes Kessel the scum that scum scrapes off the bottom of their shoes


  10. WhatUp says:

    if only the game was played in Florida Kessel could evoke the “stand your ground” act

  11. Psycho29 says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie 16m
    TOR’s David Clarkson will get auto 10 regular season game suspension for coming off bench to fight. No doubt about that one.

    Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie 11m
    My guess, and it’s only a guess, is Kessel gets some light wrist slap from NHL, not lot likely to include regular season games IMO.

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 8m
    Optics of stick swinging never great but in relative terms, not really heinous. Kessel gets latitude from many in game, who would do same.

  12. Alvin says:

    Kessel swinging his stick like that…TWICE … has got be suspended. By anybody anywhere that is totally unacceptable.
    Leaving the bench is nothing compared to the stick swinging blatant attempt to injure and maim .

    • habs11s says:

      IF he gets suspended, it’ll be for that spear he put on Scott…


      “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      I have no problems with the initial swings – that’s just a guy trying to defend himself against a lunatic. What I do take issue with is the 2 handed cheap shot when Scott was down being attacked by 2 Leafs, including one coming off the bench followed by another cheap shot spear on a guy tied up by the linesman. Typical Leafs hockey.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

  13. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    No issue with Kessel’s initial stick swing at Scott. What is he supposed to do? He had an animal coming after him. Sorry but a person, hockey player or not, has a right to defend himself when someone much bigger is trying to assault him. However, the chop at his legs when he was down was disgraceful. At least he let up on the guy he was fighting when he busted him open.

    Clarkson and Kessel should be suspended but Scott should be arrested. With all the cheap shots that have occurred during the preseason, an incident like this was inevitable. Way to police the game NHL…idiots.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Not to mention the spear when things were settling down.

      I’d say under normal circumstances a guy gets 2-3 games for that (given the “attack” aspect), but we all know how biased the NHL is when it comes to the Leafs and their stars players. I’m sure we’ll see Kessel opening night.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

    • Alvin says:

      You’re wrong DDO. That type of stick swinging is totally unacceptable under any circumstances in a hockey game. You’ve been playing too much GTA. Skate away or turtle, whatever, but a player should never ever use his stick like that. Your condoning such action does not look good on you.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        You’re wrong in thinking that because it is a “hockey game”, a person does not have a right to defend himself when attacked. This is the problem with hockey. People say because it is a “game”, it justifies assaults on players. Scott is 6’8″ 270 lbs. If Kessel’s first reaction is to swing his stick when Scott is throwing punches at his head, I am not going to blame him. It is easy for you sit at home and judge Kessel, you’re not on the ice being attacked.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  14. Trisomy 21 says:

    Pretty brave of Kessel to jab Scott with his stick while he’s tied up with Clarkson and the ref

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Can’t think too highly of the Sens because of last spring’s playoffs (urgh), but Pageau got jumped by Clarkson while he was already tied up with Kadri. Two v. one is cheap AND Clarkson was clearly yanking over at Pageau’s helmet, cutting Pageau’s face because the ref and Kadri were both holding him.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      My take is, Phil Kessel was an innocent victim in all this, and was justified in using his stick to defend himself. What was he supposed to do, attack John Scott’s fists with his skull?

  15. ahabsfanoutwest says:

    Damn it, it makes me crazy when I see that f#$^ing hit on Emelin. Am I the only guy in the whole f^%$ing world who can see this???? Look at Lucic’s knee come up on contact. If he didn’t knee him and as the announcers said the injury occured when he crossed his arms and braced for contact then hit him, why did Emelin’s knee explode?

    Really guys, please someone tell me I’m not crazy!!!


  16. Sportfan says:

    I hope Kessel continues his aggressive stupidity, he’ll score less goals that way.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      How does Phil Kessel’s desire to remain among the living constitute aggressive stupidity? Maybe he should tone down all the goal-scoring, so the other team don’t get all riled up like?

  17. ProHabs says:

    You just know that neither Clarkson nor Kessel will get suspended.

  18. FishOutOfWater says:

    Kessel is sick for axe chopping, Bernier is sick cuz he totally fights even after letting a team as bad as Buffalo score three times and Clarkson is the sickest for leaving the bench to fight and now will miss ten games. Cool team.


  19. Stevie.Ray says:

    David Clarkson just took a penalty for leaving the bench to join a line brawl. That’s an automatic 10 regular season game suspension.

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    I may have to accept that the Bills could perhaps be better than my Steelers this year….. this is extremely painful to fathom.

  21. scavanau says:

    Humoring myself this evening looking at Brad Marchand Rat-Boy photoshop pics. Not much to alter in those pictures…

  22. Mavid says:

    replenished by T shirt supply today at the St Eustache flea market..Gally..Gally..and Brier..all sold out of Prust..but i will get one somewhere..

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  23. Habsville says:

    McCaron was the key to Michael Bournival success. Look at his point and the points they had together. That big body clearwss the way

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Successful camp for McCarron. He rung one off the post last night after making a nice move.

      • johnnylarue says:

        I agree.

        For a consensus “long term project”, ‘Big Mick’ (‘cuz he ain’t a ‘Mac’, unfortunately) acquitted himself nicely. At the very least, people who were scratching their heads at Timmons taking him so early in the draft now have some evidence that he’s more than just a medicine ball on skates. Kid’s got some hockey sense, decent hands and a good attitude.

        From the limited sample size, he’s got more than a fighting chance of making it to The Show.

  24. I like both Gallys but I absolutely LOVE #27, so Alex gets the nod.

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  25. Un Canadien errant says:

    Am I wrong to think that if a player is claimed on waivers, he cannot be sent down to the AHL by the claiming team? That he has to remain in their NHL lineup? I might be confusing this rule with one that exists in MLB. I can’t find the answer by Googling, but if that’s the case, we shouldn’t worry too much about losing Dustin Tokarski on waivers.

    … you know, because there’s no way hundreds of overcompetitive stars with massive egos would ever cheat to gain an edge with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake.–Bill Simmons


  26. JO says:

    Tarnasky: much the same as Ryan White. No gain No loss there. Maybe Tarnasky is the better fighter!!

    • on2ndthought says:

      Tarnasky does not look like he can handle the headiness of the NHL, at least in the short sample size I’ve seen. White has a clue about the game, but not always his place in it. Just an opinion.

      “a cannonading drive”

  27. HabFab says:

    HabsWorld.net ‏- #Habs prospect Jeremy Gregoire is off to a solid start in his QMJHL season. With 3 points Sunday, he now has 5 points in his first 2 games.

  28. on2ndthought says:

    Hate to say it: Markov looked like a T-100 last night. Hope it was rust, or they better leave Diaz or PK with him.


    “a cannonading drive”

  29. twilighthours says:

    Eddie, Frank… I agree. Further, I wasn’t impressed with collberg at all.

  30. Fransaskois says:

    I don’t want any of our rookies to make it out of camp. Each one of them has so much to work on in the AHL. Bournival is in a similar position to Leblanc, they need to work on their offence. Thomas needs to play a pro-style game and needs to work on separating himself from the opposition and making space. Tinordi and Pateryn need to work on their offensive and passing games as well as their decision making. Beaulieu’s defensive game is not at an NHL level and needs to put on some weight to better implement his physical game.

    All things to work on in the AHL! We’ve got the depth to let them!

  31. frontenac1 says:

    @DDO. Yeah thanks amigo! Jet lagged blathering from Pearson airport. Started the day in Glasgow with single Malts and continuing in TO with Heinekens. Saludos!

  32. HabinBurlington says:

    So in big racing news, the U.S.A. Oracle team has won a few races in a row now and may actually make a good finish out of the America’s Cup. Amazing to see the speeds these speedboat/yachts/catamarans are reaching. Will be interesting to see how the Kiwi’s comeback next race tomorrow.

  33. JO says:

    I don’t think Emlin will try that one on lucic again anytime soon. Lucic is a tough customer and you could hit him all night like that and he’ll play the same … Built like a brick wall.

  34. frontenac1 says:

    Saw Tokarski scrap a couple of times with Vityaz and he handled himself ok. He took offence with some of his skilled guys getting run and didn’t hesitate to drop “em. That’s probably why he’s here and that amigos “is a good thing” Saludos!

  35. Bill says:

    Tokarski’s got to clear waivers, yes. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s picked off.

  36. Stevie.Ray says:

    Tokarski doesn’t have to go through waivers does he?

  37. habs-fan-84 says:

    Re: Tinordi and his Skating

    One thing I’ve always heard with regards to Tyler Myers, is his exceptional skating ability, particularly for a guy his size (6’8″). Just curious how Tinordi’s skating compares?

    • Bill says:

      Which Tyler Myers? The one who was awesome before, or the one who sucked last year?

      Seriously though, you can’t compare their skating or anything else. Myers has the pure talent and is a good skater. Tinordi is a steady defenceman and an average skater (which isn’t bad at all for the NHL).

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  38. Stevie.Ray says:

    What’s amazing after watching that compilation is that not only does Emelin hit so hard, but he hits so clean.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Emelin is probably the best pure hitter in the game I’d say. If Murray turns out to be OK, Emelin returns, Tinordi sticks around and Subban is his regular amazing self, it’s going to be monster hit after monster hit when players cross the Habs blue line.

  39. WhatUp says:

    anyone think MB getting calls from Oils with RNH and now Gagner injured. how long is Gagner expected to miss…just shows the importance of depth

  40. Sportfan says:

    So Sam Gagner is injured that one hurts!

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  41. Stevie.Ray says:

    I read somewhere that last year in January and February our GA/G was under 2, and in March, and in April our GA/G was over 3. Emelin was injured April 6, so the defensive decline had already been in effect for a month before he got injured. The difference was we stopped scoring in April and were losing games 2-3, instead of winning 4-3.

    So while losing Emelin did hurt, I think clinching a spot so early, and Markov running out of gas had a huge impact as well.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That was Chris who broke it down for us, maybe he can re-post that analysis, I think I ordered him to save it somewhere for future reference. It was that good.

  42. naweed235 says:

    At Trini:

    Yes I came up with “The Emelinator®‎” when he first destroyed Versteeg I believe. I am surprised it didn’t stick around here 😛

    • habstrinifan says:

      You spelled it differentally above.. maybe a typo?

      Here is the post I commented on.
      “It’s really good to see the Emelinator”

      You kept the EMELIN root.. which is like crazy great so if I may suggest hurry and trademark the Emelinator spelling.

      I think one reason it may not have taken is because it can easily be missed. But that is the beauty in it.

      Keep using it and it will stick.

  43. Sportfan says:

    What a ridiculous football game! Yay Bengals!

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  44. Arnou Ruelle says:

    @ Maritime Ron

    McCarron is still to nimble to play at his age and size. At 6’5, 229 lbs, he has to develop foot speed and to adapt his body to the pressures of NHL regiment. If he gets, not only 1-2 years OHL hockey experience, but also AHL and possibly, compete at the world juniors, he can be a force out there. The only thing I may not buy is that he will get to the NHL after a year. Still too early for him to play at that level. If he’s going to survive the NHL, he might go through the route of what Subban, Leblanc, Price, Beaulieu, Tinordi, and others should be and that is playing with Hamilton.

    I believe Bergevin did the right thing on picking this guy in the first round. Fucale was also a good pick. I think these two picks are again home runs for the current GM.

    Fucale should be good as well within a year more at the “Q”. Then he should transition too with the Bulldogs after.

    I can project these two new Habs prospects will be in the lineup within about 3 years max (if they get there), assuming the big club would like to rush their development which I feel is NOT the right way to groom them.

  45. Bill says:

    @dipsydoodler: It was a bad pass by Diaz, and a very hard hit by Gryba. Obviously he hit Eller’s head.

    Code says he should pay himself. He’s too big for Prust to take down, so I say it’s a job for Parros. Which I would NOT say if the NHL could get its head out of its posterior and enforce its own rules and have reasonable suspensions.

    • on2ndthought says:

      Bill, I disagree; it is a pass made ten times a game in the NHL. If you hit clean, the puck comes loose and it is a possession battle at the blue line. If you are trying to murder someone (see Gryba’s actions that whole shift) its just another excuse.

      “a cannonading drive”

  46. frontenac1 says:

    TU-74 is one tough kid. Did he get patched up by those crazy Ruskie doctors?

    • habstrinifan says:

      Is it just me or did I notice big difference in the two eras.

      When older Tinordi laid out Neely with clean hit everyone continued playing hockey.

      When younger Tinordi laid out the Carolina guy with a clean hit Canes guys rushed in to retaliate. Happened more than once. I think retaliation after a clean hit should be penalized as delay of game.

      But I am glad that if this trend continues we finally have guys to handle it.

      • piper says:

        I agree. If it’s a clean hit there should be an extra penalty for retaliation.
        I guess there already is but they never call it that way.

        • Trisomy 21 says:

          Trini you said
          “When younger Tinordi laid out the Carolina guy with a clean hit Canes guys rushed in to retaliate. Happened more than once. I think retaliation after a clean hit should be penalized as delay of game.”

          How about giving them instigator penalty.

  47. DipsyDoodler says:

    What do you think will happen against the Sens?

    Personally I don’t feel Gryba meant to injure Eller, and he was apologetic afterwards.

    The most despicable guy in all this was the fat walrus.

    Since you can’t go after him (well you can but let’s leave that appealing possibility out for now) I say we send 3 guys to jump Chris Neil. Is it right? No. Is it against the code? Yes. It it ethical, just, honorable? No. But it’s what I vote for.

    • Phil C says:

      You need to watch it again with the camera angle from behind the Sens’ net. Gryba could have made contact with Eller’s front shoulder, which was the obvious hockey play. He could have played the puck and created a turnover, another good hockey option. Instead, he adjusted at the last second to try to hit Eller in the chest, with his only possible motivation to be to take Eller out of the game with a big hit as he knew Eller’s head was down. By going for the chest, he ended up making contact with the jaw instead. He may not have intended to do so much damage as it was a little unlucky that Eller fell on his face, but the ill intent was there, IMO.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The Eric Gryba ambush wasn’t Dale Hunter-on-Pierre-Turgeon dirty, but taken in context with the unrestrained goonery perpetrated by the Sens, how they crosschecked and rabbit-punched after every whistle with abandon, it was almost a foregone conclusion that someone would get injured. Those guys ran rampant on our team because they knew we had no response. And we proved it to them in that line brawl. That we instigated.

      The best we can hope for is that their instincts will be tempered next season, since they’ll have some people to answer to, instead of just an injured Brandon Prust. I don’t think we can win a brawl against them, they still have more size than we do, but it’s more of a fair fight now, so they’ll not be so outrageous in their outrages.

      • zephyr says:

        I agree. I can’t forget that the refs facilitated ottawa’s goonery. I said at the time that it looked like the series was fixed & that ottawa would be dumbfounded to get no such benefit from the refs in round 2. that’s exactly what happened. I enjoy hockey. I got rds to watch the habs this season. i’d like to think bettman isn’t such a mercenary businessman that he’d discriminate against Canadian teams – esp the ones that are in the best financial shape like mtl.. at best, by allowing that crap to happen, the refs handed the series over to the less-talented goons. almost anyone can hook a fast player or cross-check him from behind to take him out of the play.
        I wish mickey mouse didn’t have a gary bettman watch.
        if this garbage continues, then at least it won’t be done with impunity this year. that being said, I was sad to see Gallagher get thrown to the ice & his face pushed into the ice time & again by Carolina the other nite. no penalty. Carolina did get one but it was another guy for putting eller in a headlock. that shit has to stop. I don’t care if it’s eric staal. he needs to get his head taken off for that.
        therrien had no size dressed for that game & I had a feeling Carolina would take liberties & they did. maybe he wanted to see how the younger guys coped with that.
        contrast Carolina’s abuse with prust’s good-natured pat on the head after a fight the game before. I think some of our guys better learn to play with more of an edge. eye for an eye stuff. if they abuse gally, then beat the shit out of karlson & their smaller guys.

  48. DipsyDoodler says:

    Great game Cincy-Green Bay. 30-27 in the 4th Q.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Holy moly! Packers go for it on 4th and inches at the Cin 25 yard line. They not only don’t make it, there is a fumble recovered for a Cincinnati touchdown.


      Shoulda gone for the field goal.

  49. vegas says:

    on last few days I have seen the name Akim Aliu pop up. Did I miss something, doesn;t he belong to the Flames?

  50. habs_54321 says:

    just watched the highlights of last nights game all i can say is holy tinordi!!! this guy whent beast mode last night!!! can you imagine a tandem of tinordi/emelin holy mackinaw!!

  51. HabFab says:

    Bubble Squad

    Defense – Beaulieu, Dietz, Nygren, Pateryn, Tinordi

    Forwards – Blunden, Bournival, Dumont, Holland, St Pierre, Tarnasky, Thomas

    Quailer is apparently still in camp but believe he is injured.

  52. Rad says:

    Great to see Emelin skating again. However, it will be a good while before he is back to his old self destroying opponents. Considering the severity of his injury, he may not get there till next season, and there is a chance he will never again be quite the same. If he can get back to being 95% of his old self that may be the best we can hope for.

  53. Propwash says:

    Oh man, Emilin can sure lay them out. I hope his injury won’t hold him back.


  54. Maritime Ronn says:

    @ Arnou Ruelle

    McCarron is at best 3 years, and most likely 4-6 years away from the NHL…that is if he ever overcomes the several challenges to come.

    At this present moment, he has little NHL required foot speed, quickness, excelleration burst, or NHL skating ability and he needs to grow into and understatnd his body while his head catches up.
    Two years of “Hunter Junior” will serve him well.

    He’s also a kid that never played a big schedule or rode the busses.
    His experience is tiny at best.

    His last 4 years years with the U.S. National Team Development Program show games played per year as 35-17-19-40…nothing close to an OHL 68 game season + another about 20 playoff games – oh, and he also played 7 games with the US Under 18 team.

    Sooner or later the young man will get a pound out, or have his bell rung in the OHL.
    Let’s see how he reacts to that.

    If he can survive all of that, he has Bickell/Lucic/Clarkson written all over him…and will be a treat for Habs fans.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Dem der is the cold hard facts as they say in Wisconsin. He did show one thing in camp though which I hope he retains through what , as you laid out, may be a long climb up the system. He showed in the camp that he understands that he is first and foremost a ‘big man’ and that is gonna be his greatest asset. Add a few years of development and hope it works out for him/us.

    • JUST ME says:

      His coach sure does not agree with you. Of course i understand that he has a product to sell but he would not be of any help to the kid by lying. He said he is one year away at the most two from the NHL . In fact he only lacks foot speed and power surge wich is normal for a big guy like him but has more qualities than downsides. I agree thou that playing a full schedule is a must for those kids. Leblanc had it easy up until the day he got to the Q and so do some guys that come from Europe.
      I`d rather wait than waste him by being too fast to graduate him.

    • aemarchand11 says:

      I agree with a lot of your points but i think he gets in at least half an NHL Season by the time his ELC is up. 2 Years in Junior, half the season in the AHL and if hes ready hell be a callup.

      Skating is his biggest flaw at this point, but between Habs and Knights staff i think theyll be able to get it to a point where hes competitive with the Pros.

    • on2ndthought says:

      seems to me this kid already has superior hands, fine instincts, and not bad skating. like a lot of big guys, they don’t seem to churn out the speed, but keep up to the flow with long strides.

      “a cannonading drive”

  55. Eddie says:

    did anyone else notice that Colberg was not skating well on Friday night?

    he looked slow, uncomfortable and laboring out there.

    compared to the speed a guy like Bournival brings, it was kind of ugly to watch.

  56. Defense 101- Never take yourself out of the play for a big hit.

    Time and a Place Tinordi for the big hits. PK Suban learned the hard way too. Great game though, I hope he stays.

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    • slyCH says:

      It was Pateryn’s blunder after the hit that caused the goal. Had it been PK back there the puck would have been in control and out the zone. Not Tinordi’s fault. MHO.

      • He made a mistake, yes. But Tinordi took himself out of the play to make a big hit, causing Pateryn to make force a play that ended up coughing up the puck. Plays like that all start somewhere and it was the hit that did it.

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        • Ron says:

          Watch the reply again Shane, he made the right play. Look closely at the forward players on the back check. Very slow in following the play. I believe they were rookies. The back D lost the puck and the rest is history. Most all defensemen would have made that play if they were able to hit like the Tinman.

      • piper says:

        What sly said. Remember Stevens and Rafalski.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      With respect to you Sholi, that is a non-conversation topic if Pateryn makes a basic play and doesn’t give away the puck, or if the goalie makes the save.
      It would NOT be a highlight.

      If I’m a guy on the bench like our smaller skilled guys, that charges me up…and I also know a guy is going to watch my back and stick up for me.
      When was the last time we could say the Habs had that?
      Parros to come-Prust-Murray-Tinordi-Moen (if he wants to ) White….

    • habstrinifan says:

      That hit will happen time and time again.. to both Tinordi and P.K. I hope so anyway. It was a good hit that was borderline risky maybe but still ended up with the puck available and collected by a teammate and the opposing puck carrier out.

      One cannot eliminate all risk out of every play.

    • aemarchand11 says:

      How on Earth was that hit the reason for the goal? Watch the highlights again because it was Pateryns mistage that caused that goal.

  57. Arnou Ruelle says:

    Like I said on my last post, McCarron is not yet ready for primetime and I was right!

    Many here thinks #25 is good to play in the NHL, but looking at his last 2 performances against Carolina, he’s not in form to play nor his speed is not that great. He needs a year or two of junior hockey experience before transitioning in the NHL.

  58. naweed235 says:

    It’s really good to see the Emelinator skating again and I’m really happy that he is recovering fast. However, I truly hope that he is not rushed back before he is 110% recovered. We all know too well what a rush back after a serious knee injury can cause (See Markov). Especially with the style that he plays…

  59. Mark C says:

    Per the Habs twitter:

    3 players released from camp today: Sebastian Collberg (Frolunda, Sweden), Michael McCarron (London, OHL), Dustin Tokarski (Hamilton).

  60. Lil Snapper says:

    So is it safe to say that Collberg will never wear the CH?

  61. thorandresson says:

    Love the Emelin compilation, he’s such a beast, can’t wait til he gets back and can’t wait to see both Emelin and Tinordi strike fear with opponent forwards…

  62. Maritime Ronn says:

    Poll question:

    Do you think Alex Galchenyuk should play centre this season?
    Yes (65%, 1,372 Votes)
    No (35%, 732 Votes)
    Total Voters: 2,104
    More often than not, these poll questions are ill thought out/ brutal at best, and never have options…or take into consideration present day realities or anything about the future-being performance or injuries as examples.

    As much as I enjoy this site, perhaps in the future a real Adult with even a minor understanding of the Habs/NHL Hockey can formulate the future questions….or is the only goal to cause and create controversy to up the number of site hits?

    Come on HIO folks in charge.
    Show some respect.

    This is BY FAR one of the most interesting and hockey intelligent sites that exist with incredibly smart and aware, passionate posters.

    NO site exists with the eclectic knowledge and Hockey smarts one can find here…and that includes Pizza, Poetry, Beer, single malt Scotch, Pubs, Music, Movies, Jokesters and Comedy…

    • Eddie says:

      I think you might have read a little too much into the question.

      Let’s say one of Plekanec, Desharnais or Eller gets hurt, should Galchenyuk play center THIS SEASON?

      The question does not force Galchenyuk to start the season as a center, just asks if he should play the position THIS SEASON.

      Stu Cowan is a good man. Insulting him by suggesting that he’s not an “Adult” is way, way over the top Ron.

      • neumann103 says:

        I think he is right.

        The poll questions are generally terribly written. About half the time I don’t answer because some false choice is presented. The one he references is an example:

        Do you think Alex Galchenyuk should play centre this season?

        Start the season at centre? Play at least one shift a Center? How much? etc

        What is wrong with formulating it as a question like:
        How much of his ice time should Alex Galchenyuk play centre this season?
        0% Give him another year
        20% Ease him in
        40% Sheltered minutes
        60% Start making the transition
        80% Almost there
        100% He’s ready now

        The worst is when these false choice polls get posted and then there are sniping posts about the optimism/pessimism/credulity/cynicism of the HIO commentariat. A classic is question posed in the middleof the disaster 2011/2012 Season phrased as:

        Do you think the Habs can make the playoffs?

        Well of course they could have, but were they likely? No. And there were all these Who are the gullible homers who think they have a chance? posts. At the time I figured about 10-20% chance so if you asked

        Do you think the Habs will make the playoffs?

        at least you can answer that as a yes or no.

        Anyhow, it is an absolutely fair point that a substantial number of the polls posted here fail the basic tests of poll question designs on eliciting meaningful response.

        “Et le but!”

    • Mattyleg says:

      I don’t think the poll deserves this kind of overreaction, Ron.

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  63. gumper says:

    Remains to be seen, but it appears that M. Bergevin has made the right moves to create a team that can both skate with Detroit, and hold its own pugilistically with the Broons and Buds. In any case, I’m ready to embrace whatever happens this season. If the kids keep developing well a playoff berth is assured. If not, another high first rounder might be just what the doctor ordered, thinking three years ahead. Feeling positive about my team, and looking forward to real hockey.

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  64. Bim says:

    Don’t understand White or St.Pierre ahead of Bournival nor Beaulieu ahead of Tinordi. Bournival and Tinordi have had way better camps than the others. No comparison! Are Habs actually considering keeping Tarnasky too? Wow what a head scratcher!

    • Bill says:

      Not sure what you mean. St. Pierre is definitely not making the team and there isn’t any room for Bournival, though he’s played well. White will stay on the team this year; he’d be picked off on waivers otherwise. I don’t think anyone thinks Beaulieu is ahead of Tinordi after Tinordi has played all those exhibition games while Beaulieu has been injured.

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      • Eddie says:

        Bill, why can’t we keep Bournival and White and platoon them as needed depending on the type of team we are playing?

        • ProHabs says:

          Bournival needs to play every game and needs to play significant minutes to continue to develop. Having him in the press box throwing paper airplanes will harm his development.

      • Maritime Ronn says:


        – St. Pierre not making the team: 100% Agreed. Not a chance, and he was brought in for some veteran presence in Hamilton. Not fun/good for the young guys to always lose.
        – Beaulieu has Hamilton written all over him…and he better behave himself.
        – White will never be placed on waivers and Habs management will not ever try a waiver with him. He would be scooped in a heart beat at $700K Salary and Cap Hit.
        – Let’s wait and see what happens with Bournival, yet barring multiple injuries/trades in the next 3 games, there would be no surprise if he ‘started’ in Hamilton.

    • 24 Cups says:

      It’s just training camp. Nothing that goes on really matters that much. Next Monday will tell the tale. Until then it’s all window dressing.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      A case of “what have you done for me lately” eh. White will, and should be on this team.

  65. habs-fan-84 says:

    Missed the game last night (was at a wedding), so I just watched the highlights on TSN.ca; Wow! Tinordi looked like a man possessed. 3 highlight reel hits in one game, unbelievable.

    Thank you Mr. Timmins the kid is a stud (with leadership skills too). Would not be surprised to see him captaining the team in 5 years.

    • ProHabs says:

      And a bigger thank you to the genious Pierre Gauthier.

      • Eddie says:

        Pierre Gauthier was sent by Bob Gainey to New York to scout the Rangers and he was asked to report specifically on Scott Gomez.

        Gainey was sure he would not re-sign Koivu and he knew he would need a #1 center. Although he preferred Lecavalier, Gainey wanted his closest assistant, someone with over 20 years of professional scouting, to report on Gomez.

        Gauthier’s report on Gomez was perhaps the biggest failure this team has seen since Roy was traded to Colorado.

        When Gainey appointed Gauthier his successor, there were many people shaking their heads in disbelief.

        • ProHabs says:

          Gomez helped get this team to the third round of the playoffs 3 years ago, the furthest the team has gotten in the playoffs since 1993. How far has McDonagh gotten the Rangers???

        • habs-fan-84 says:

          Gauthier did a lot of good things for this franchise. I’ll just leave it at that.

          • Eddie says:

            No matter what good Gauthier did, and every GM makes good moves over the course of his tenure, the horrible mistake he made evaluating Gomez was so great, so costly, as to more than overshadow everything else by a wide margin.

            The entire Gainey legacy as GM of the Habs was ruined because of that Gomez trade.

            From now on, no one will be able to mention Gainey or Gauthier without bringing up the Gomez debacle.

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            “the horrible mistake he made evaluating Gomez was so great, so costly, as to more than overshadow everything else by a wide margin.”

            Enough with the hyperbole, we lost McDonough, get over it.

          • Eddie says:

            it was way more than Mcdonough, although he would be our #2 dman today, playing 25 minutes a night right next to Subban, and we would have one of the great, young, pairings in the NHL. Not too easy to just “get over it”, but maybe Gauthier fans would like that, wouldn’t they?

            it was also the wickedly stupid use of cap space, which handcuffed the team so badly that we could not compete. 7 million was being flushed down the toilet, while other teams were securing great talent and great depth with the same amount of money.

            it was also the ice time and the responsibility given to a compete dud who was not performing. no one else could develop with that ice time as long as Gomez was here.

            The Gomez trade cost this team so much; one of the worst trades in all of hockey in the last 10 years for sure. And the 2nd worst trade the Habs have ever made in their 100 + years of Glory.

          • slyCH says:

            Not many Gauthier fans around here. That’s pretty safe to assume.

          • Stevie.Ray says:

            While I won’t say Gauthier was perfect… I won’t even say he was good, we did make the playoffs, or we’re challenging every year, with a below average, injury riddled team.

            Nobody can predict the future and the blame for Gomez can rest on the shoulders of many people, including Gomez, but he did have an ok season his first year with the Habs, and while he was not very effective offensively the next couple years, he wasn’t put in a position that fit his strengths, and he wasn’t entirely useless despite what the mob says. His skills declined rapidly and nobody could have predicted that. Let’s chalk it up to simply bad luck.

  66. Sportfan says:

    Does this change the timeline for when he returns, or will they still ease him into it.

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  67. sheds88 says:

    Watching that Emelin compilation really makes me realize how important he is to the this team. Didn’t we start slumping when he got hurt? Great addition in December ( hopefully sooner )

  68. slyCH says:

    Great hit’s compilation. Let’s hope the new knee turns out as well as Gorges’ did and holds up. I want to see Emelin with a long career so I can watch his greatest hits box-set at the end, all in a Habs uniform of course.

  69. ProHabs says:

    Is it possible that Bergevin is sniffing around and interested in signing Guillaume Latendresse?

    • commandant says:

      No room for him IMO. Our top 9 is full.

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    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Two chances of that – Slim and None…and Slim left the building with Elvis.

    • ProHabs says:

      Ok good. One of my friends from New Brunswick was saying that he would be a good fit with the little Habs. I didn’t agree. He is too soff for this new brand of Habs hockey.

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Not Lats, not Morrow – no one. There are already too many forwards on one way contracts when all healthy, and at least three others (Bournival, LeBlanc, Dumont) that may deserve ice time at some point.

      The only real openings on the team are on D. Emelin’s #4 spot, which goes to Diaz to start the season, and the 7th D as Drewiske is out for a month.

      The forward lines that Stu notes above will start the season, like it or not. Last year, expectations were low, and Habs Mgmt could afford to go with a couple of rookies. The expectations this year are much higher, so players being paid the big $$ get the first shot – to do else – and if a poor start, would be a PR disaster for Habs Mgmt.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      I was thinking about that yesterday. He had a good training camp in Phoenix but they decided to go another way. I thought what if we tried Latendresse in Hamilton to see if he can work his way back up, but I figure at this point he is what he is and it’s pointless to think he is going to improve. Not to mention he would steal valuable minutes away from young prospects and likely be bad influence. He can try out Europe

  70. commandant says:

    The OHL Central Division (a Habs prospect and multiple potential first rounders, including a possible 1st overall)

    The Habs training camp week in review

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  71. SPATS says:

    Great news. And now he won’t have to drop them and risk having his orbital bone caved in again when he lays out the big thud.

    Seems to me like Beaulieu should be on the bubble and not Tinordi?


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