Eller agrees to four-year, $14-million deal with Habs

The Canadiens and forward Lars Eller have avoided salary arbitration.

Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin announced on Thursday afternoon that the club has agreed to terms with Eller on a new four-year contract. The deal is worth $14 million and avoids a salary arbitration hearing that was scheduled for Friday. Eller will earn $2.5 million in each of the first two seasons of the deal and $4.5 million in each of the last two years.

On Wednesday, the Canadiens submitted a $1.65-million one-year offer to the arbitrator while Eller was looking for $3.1 million. Eller earned $1.5 million last season when he posted 12-14-26 totals in 77 regular-season games and had 5-8-13 totals in 17 playoff games.

“We are very pleased to have agreed upon a long-term agreement with Lars Eller,” Bergevin said in a statement. “He is an important part of our group of young veterans. He has a tremendous work ethic and a great attitude. He is the type of player you can rely on for his play at both ends of the rink. Lars can play big minutes against the opponents’ top players and still be an offensive threat. We are confident he will reach his full potential and become an impact player who will compete at a high level for many years to come.”

Tweeted Eller after the signing was announced: “Very happy to be a part of the Montreal Canadiens for 4 more years!”

During a conference call later in the afternoon from the Toronto airport, where he was waiting for a flight home to Denmark, Eller said: “First of all, I’m very happy to be a Canadien for the next four years. This is the place I want to be. Four years was a term that both sides had been working on for quite some time.”

Eller was asked about the added pressure that will come from his new contract.

“A lot of times your salary and your expectations and pressure goes hand-in-hand and I’ve seen that here in Montreal,” he said. “But I put a lot of pressure on myself, too. I think it also speaks to how much the organization believes in me and has faith in me. It’s really nice to know that they’re behind me and they’ve shown me that faith and now it’s up to me to go out and play the best hockey I can.”

When asked what part of his game he needs to improve most in the future, Eller said: “I think the No. 1 thing for me is consistency. I know when I’m on top of my game there’s not much I want to change. I want to improve every area, but most of all consistency. And I still think there’s something to gain in my offensive part of the game and that’s probably where I can improve the most, but I need to improve every area of my game.”

P.K. Subban, the Canadiens’ remaining restricted free agent, has an arbitration hearing scheduled for Aug. 1.

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Habs’ salary-cap chart, capgeek.com

Eller gets four-year, $14-million deal, by Gazette sports editor Stu Cowan

Four years for Eller, canadiens.com

Price says his knee ‘feels pretty good,’ Stu on Sports blog

Bozon on comeback trail, canadiens.com

Gorges still in shock after trade from Habs, Stu on Sports blog

 

840 Comments

  1. Chris says:

    I love Eller. He and Markov are my favourite players on the team.

    His lack of PP time is certainly an issue, as is not playing with Pacioretty, the team’s best pure sniper.

    With that out of the way, I have to agree with Dipsy that Eller’s supporters are simply not arguing in good faith. Eller’s ice time at even strength was 1,035:16 this past season. About 45% of that ice-time came with Galchenyuk on his wing. So the “quality of linemates” argument is somewhat bogus, because Galchenyuk represented the 2nd or 3rd (behind Pacioretty and perhaps Gionta) most skilled winger on the team until the arrival of Vanek.

    We spin the numbers however they wish, but Eller played 2013-14 like he had his head buried up his rear end. I don’t know what happened to him, but his confidence was shot, his hockey IQ was non-existent, he was taking bad penalties all over the ice and his defensive positioning started to deteriorate dramatically.

    Power play time is a privilege given to players that earn it. Eller was more likely to play himself into the AHL then onto the power play given how dismal he was playing.

    Was his supporting cast really any worse than that of Plekanec? He had Galchenyuk for most of the year, until it became clear that Eller’s play was the anchor on that line and they move Galchenyuk up to play with Plekanec. He played with Gionta, Bourque, Briere and Gallagher a fair bit, the same cast of wingers that were rotated through Plekanec’s line. He just didn’t get it done.

    As with so much on HI/O, the Eller-Desharnais thing is so overblown to have become tedius. Eller was terrible last season, easily as bad as Rene Bourque who was the popular choice for worst regular forward on the team.

    With Eller, I chalk it up to a bad season. It happens. I think Bergevin recognizes the same. Eller now has a couple more years to prove himself a worth successor to Plekanec’s title. He will be 27 when Plekanec finishes his current contract, a perfect age to move up the depth chart.

    Desharnais played his way out of his funk, finally turning his season around in Game 20. With Eller’s dream start turning into a death spiral and Plekanec not playing like himself, the Montreal Canadiens very possibly don’t make the playoffs, let alone earn home ice in the first round, if David Desharnais hadn’t been with them. I simply can’t fathom why people find it so hard to give the guy his due: he played at a 70 point pace after his own disastrous start, salvaging a 52 point season after getting just 1 point in his first 19 games.

    People make it sound like anybody could play with Pacioretty, but the reality was that both Desharnais and Pacioretty started the season in a funk: Pacioretty had just 2 goals and 4 points in his first 12 games (he missed 7 with injury) before the duo finally broke out and continued to play well for the rest of the season.

    The partnership of Desharnais and Pacioretty is one where the sum is better than the parts. When one struggles, he drags the other down with him. When they are both on, there are few pairings in the league that are more productive. They complement one another well because Desharnais loves to pass and Pacioretty loves to shoot.

    • krob1000 says:

      Chris you are comparing Galchenyuk to Pacioretty..sorry that is bad faith before I go any ufrther…one was the 5th leading goals scorer in the NHL? Seriously?how can you compare that? If 3 years from now and Chucky is an established star adn Eller plays with him? sure I will accept that but Galchenyuk was teh teams no 5 winger last yar after Patches, Gio, Galalgher and Vanek….

      Pleks only put up 43 points last year…can’t say Chcuky helped him either.Chucky also took a step back last year like Eller.

      pacioretty beforeplaying with DD was on pace for 34 goals..so that doesn’t jiveeither.

      • Chris says:

        No, I’m comparing Galchenyuk to the wingers that Plekanec had all season. The commonly held belief is that Eller would do as well as the other two centres if given the same quality of wingers.

        The reality is that he had the same wingers as Plekanec, and he wet the bed. I did explicitly note that Eller’s offensive production was watered down by not playing on the PP and not playing with Pacioretty.

        I would put Galchenyuk ahead of Gallagher and possibly even ahead of Gionta. Vanek came in late in the season, so I discount that a little.

        It seems to be acceptable to say that Eller was given short-shrift by not being able to play with Pacioretty. I am arguing that Galchenyuk was given short-shrift by playing so much of the season with Eller.

        Eller was simply terrible for most of last season. I still like the guy, and I think he can rebound in a big way. But I’m not going to put lipstick on the pig that was Eller’s 2013-14 season. It was pretty obvious that he was struggling, and I’m not convinced that giving him PP time or putting him with Pacioretty would have helped him. If anything, I fear that the increased expectations and pressure of such a move might have been enough to crush him as a player in a market as intense as Montreal.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Not to mention that Galchenyuk missed 16 games and then had to get his timing back. He only really got back on track in the play offs against the Rangers.

        Habfan17

      • B says:

        “pacioretty beforeplaying with DD was on pace for 34 goals”

        Are you talking about 10/11, when Pacioretty (without Desharnais) had 14 goals in 37 games which extrapolates to 31 goals in 82 games? Pacioretty played very well that season after coming up from Hamilton.

        Note that that same season, Desharnais (without Pacioretty or top wingers) had 22 points in 42 games which extrapolates to 43 points in 82 games.

        That same season, Eller had 17 points in 77 games which extrapolates to 18.1 points. FWIW, that season Eller (vs Desharnais) had a 2.2% higher QofT, a 4.1% lower QofC and a 4.8% higher ZS%.

        –Go Habs Go!–

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        See my post on the next page at 6:55 pm re: ‘bad faith’.

    • twilighthours says:

      I love you man.

      This will do no good

      • Chris says:

        I like both guys…I had to do my one last post on the subject.

        After today, I’m treating the DD/Eller thing the same way as Halak/Price, and Subban’s contract negotiations…saying my piece, then leaving it alone.

        For me, Eller’s 2013-14 was like Plekanec’s 2008-09. He just inexplicably fell apart. Like Plekanec, I think Eller bounces back strong.

        Having Eller and Desharnais both signed on $3.5 million deals gives the team some flexibility if they both play to their capability over the next couple of seasons.

        • twilighthours says:

          It’s exhausting. Mostly it’s the dudes (sacamano and j-perez22) who only show up to rip desharnais. But then legit guys like krob get dragged in.

          Like I said, I hate HIO when it’s dd v Eller.

          I’m also out.

          • Chris says:

            I admired the way Desharnais bounced back from adversity last season. I think you have to go back to late-1990′s Patrice Brisebois to see a key Montreal forward being so mercilessly ripped the way Desharnais was early last year. To see him turn around his season was pretty awesome.

            And while he didn’t score much in the playoffs, I give him a pass because he never stopped working. All I ask is that players try when to their best of their ability when they are out there, and Desharnais always does that.

  2. krob1000 says:

    “The QofC stats at extraskater.com actually indicate that Desharnais faces stronger competition than Eller.”

    This may be true or not…I have never bothered to look…what I do know is that even strength Elelr has weaker linemates, gets disadvantageous starts relative to DD, doesn’t count pp’s, the linemates Dd has with him to counter that competition. If you are trying to say the DD is not in an advantageous situation for points relative to Eller please say that…because if you believe that to be true let’s just cut to the chase.

    • B says:

      I was simply replying to claims that Eller faces tougher opposition than Desharnais. The advanced stats didn’t back that up. The overall picture is obviously more complicated. FWIW, here are some more stats:

      Over the last 4 seasons that Desharnais and Eller have both played for Montreal, Desharnais has faced 1.4225% > QofC, played with 1% > QofT and his ZS% was 5.1% higher.

      Over those same 4 seasons, Desharnais has averaged .0327 points per ES minute played. This is 25% > than Eller at .0262. I am using ES points since the advanced stats only came for 5 on 5 situations (except for the ZS% which is therefore skewed by Ellers greater time on the PK (D zone starts) and Desharnais’ greater time on the PP (O zone stars)).

      Also over those 4 seasons, Desharnais was a +16 while Eller was a -16.

      QoC TOI% = Quality of Competition, measured by TOI% 5-on-5
      QoT TOI% = Quality of Teammates, measured by TOI% 5-on-5
      ZS% = Zone start percentage: OZ starts / (OZ starts + DZ starts)

      Stats from extraskater.com and nhl.com, I did the averaging.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • krob1000 says:

        I have seen other stats that say he does face better competition so I am not sure what they are referring to as “better”. IS this possession?is this better offensvie players?
        I see you are using over 4 seasons in stead of recnt…that makes sense now….yu are counting Eller when he was a 21 yr old and 22 year old in those…I get it now. Those are not relevant if you are going back that far…this season and last season I will be on board with if they say diff’t.

        I cannot compare the last 4 seasons…Eller was far younger than DD and at even stregth plays with far lesser linemates and different starts in oppositions end and does not get the advantageous starts like after icings,etc

        Plus minus…Eller was brutal last season…15 of those 16 are from last year alone.
        You are comparing apples to oranges…do last year or two …those are all that are relevant anymore IMO re quality of copmpetition…of course Eller was mmore managed early on. DD ont he other hand walked into a cvacnacy at the top center spot in his first full season so taht si going to skew those number.

        • B says:

          Last season, Desharnais faced 0.4% > QofC, played with 1.4% > QofT and his ZS% was 9% higher.

          Desharnais averaged .0325 points per ES minute played. This is 61% > than Eller at .0202.

          Edit: to be clear (I’m not sure if this makes much of a difference) the %s I am showing for the advance stat differences are the difference between the numbers (for example last seasons Desharnais’ QofC was 28.7% and Eller’s was 28.3% so 28.7 – 28.3 game me a 0.4% difference).

          –Go Habs Go!–

  3. Un Canadien errant says:

    Allan Muir’s take on the P.K. Subban negotiations.

    http://www.si.com/nhl/2014/07/25/subban-contract

    Am I the only one who absolutely hates the new look and layout of Sports Illustrated’s website? It’s a serious disincentive to visit.

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    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Chris says:

      It is truly hideous.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It’s kind of like the different incarnations of Facebook. I remember posting a few years ago that there had so many new layouts, I couldn’t remember how many versions back was the one I didn’t hate. But they won in the end, I now no longer check it regularly.

    • Jocko says:

      SI website has taken a serious step backwards. It looks like shyte from the 90′s!

      I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

    • scamorza says:

      well won’t comment on the site but agree pretty well with what he wrote

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

  4. Un Canadien errant says:

    A refreshing twist on HIO is that posters openly admit to being close to David Desharnais sizewise. Quite the change from elsewhere on the WWW, where most posters claim they’re “6.4ft and 230 pds and i do uf-c.”, which adds merit to their posts, and forces one to retract his statements, I would have to guess.

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    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      no e-stats on HIO

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • Rob says:

      I am 6’4″ and 230…..but I’m fairly certain DD could whoop me, so I don’t call him out! :P

      The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Kid looks like a middleweight wrestler. The only reason I think I can take him is because he’s too nice a guy, he’d let up on me. And I’d fight dirty. I would claw, scratch, bite…

        Or, as Homer Simpson teaches Bart:

        “First, you gotta scream like a woman and keep sobbing until the other turns away in disgust. That’s when it’s time to kick some back! And then when he’s lying on the ground, kick him in the rib, step on his neck and run like hell.”

  5. Luke says:

    Have a great weekend folks!

    Hopefully a nice shiny red PK contract will be waiting for us when Monday arrives.

  6. krob1000 says:

    Hi Luke
    “Great, now do Eller’s last 99 games…”

    I did them as per your request..

    In Eller’s last 99 games as a 3rd line center with hardly any pp time he has produced 40 points…20 less than DD who has 60 points in his last 99 games. Pretty interesting eh? as a 3rd line center and without DD’s pp points….we won;t even get into linemates..glad you mentioned that…really illustrates how comparable they are offensively even and then when you factor in other elements of the game it really is no contest…thanks.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      You’re not arguing in good faith.

      Not that it matters.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • krob1000 says:

        Nope it doesn’t matter at all…good faith goes out the window when people only look at points without acknowledging situational usage and say one guy is better than the other based on that…gotta fight fire with fire.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Add to those numbers, DD 27 playoff games, 10 points plus 5
          Eller, 25 play off games, 15 points, plus 7.

          Habfan17

          • Luke says:

            Now add Quality of Opposition checking?

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            Eller faces higher quality of opposition, constantly in shutdown role

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            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • krob1000 says:

            Luke what is “quality of opposing checking” realtive to this? That honestly makes no sense at all…it is well established Eller faces tougher competition and starts in the defensive zone far more.
            He also gets the last change in half of the agmes and gets to go on for the after icing draws and ozone starts….do you really think that is a valid point?

            Montreal gets last change half of the time, Dd also gets the ozone starts….that is actaully a point that further illustrates Dd’s perferential usage (in fainess it isn;t for DD’s beneift as much as it is for Pacioretty as that is who tehy are really putting into those situations)> there is no way to possibly derive that Eller is not at a disadvantage offesnively realtive to DD…it is not possibel …beacaause it is not true or even close enough to it that anything can be manipulated that way.

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ luke. in the playoffs, Eller faced tougher opposition. He also did not get PP time. In the playoffs, all opposition is tougher. Eller also killed penalties and DD did not, Take that time out when it is hard to put up points and the numbers still favour Eller!

            Habfan17

          • B says:

            The QofC stats at extraskater.com actually indicate that Desharnais faces stronger competition than Eller.

            –Go Habs Go!–

    • Luke says:

      (Meh, I’m going for beers. I’ll talk to you next week Krob!)

      Remember: I actually like Eller.

      • krob1000 says:

        Remember I actually like DD too…..track back my posts…I only criticize Dd relative to PLeks and Eller….I just do not think he is better than Eller or Plekanec and I discount his “production” based on the roles. DD was a big part of the teams success…I am not naive enough to not know that…but I am also not naive enough to think his 50 some points is not able to be produced by any one of Eller, Pleks or Chucky for that matter if given similar opportunity.

        • Steeltown Hab says:

          Thinking DD isn’t as good as Eller pleks etc doesn’t mean you “dislike” or “hate” DD. Everyone labels me as that I’ve always said. Don’t like how MTL uses him. Nothing to do with him.

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          Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • krob1000 says:

            No need to expain to me..I completely understand….we are in the HIO doghouse together.

          • habcertain says:

            It is just ridiculous that anyone’s opinion gets labeled as hate, or anti-hab, then the usual responders just rag all over that poster as some sort of ogre, that is interfering with “informed” posters that then talk among themselves. Or I love the ” when I see a particular avatar, I do not waste my valuable time reading”…….please.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      When you make a point that no one can respond to re: Eller, DD.

      The answer is always “ELLER HASN’T PROVED HIMSELF, UNTIL HE DOES….” which is apparently the end of the conversation

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • B says:

      So Desharnais put up 50% more points over those 99 games? BTW, why 99 games?

      –Go Habs Go!–

  7. HardHabits says:

    Nobody touching my Peter Mueller comment?

  8. Max_a_million says:

    Gallagher makes every line he plays with good. Make a couple of Gallagher clones.

  9. Kooch7800 says:

    Interesting stats site. Has the stats from teams in the playoffs. Here is the link to the habs

    http://www.cs.unb.ca/~mwf/habs/

    • Forum Dog says:

      Wow, those are crazy. Pretty granular. The line combo tables are interesting, especially the way they break them down over the course of a season. That’s a link worth bookmarking….

    • Chris says:

      He’s been running that site for years now…I’ve linked it a few times, as it is one I often use to help figure out who is actually playing with who the most. When you dive into the numbers, you actually see that a lot of commonly held perceptions are not in fact supportable by evidence.

      • Max_a_million says:

        Seriously Chris, I am so disappointed. We don’t let the facts get in the way of a good argument around here.

      • krob1000 says:

        What really sticks out to me is the effectiveness of Pleks on the pp but the reluctance to use him? what the heck is up with that?

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Sorry Chris if I missed it when you posted it before. I was just playing on it today I agree it is a great site. Will come in handy for me next season

        • Chris says:

          No worries…just pointing out that it is one of the ones that I used all the time, so I love when it gets more attention. I wish the NHL would make something like that available…it would be so easy to implement.

    • HardHabits says:

      Sorry but if A Princess of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs isn’t mentioned that list is way off.

      • Luke says:

        Maybe it isn’t as much of a change of pace as I originally suspected.

        :)

        (Sorry UCe, it was better than a ‘LOL’ or ‘hahaha’)

        • HardHabits says:

          No apologies to me. WTF? Why does Mr. UCe get all the special TLC?

          What is this? Team HH versus Team UCe? Who started this fight?

          Luke… you are a shirt distributor.

          Dog days of summer with nary a Water Pistol to be had. ;-)

          • Luke says:

            I couldn’t remember if you were on Team Smiley or Team No-Smiley.

            Sorry. Maybe… I think.

            (Edit, ahh Team Smiley, I see. No apology necessary).

          • HardHabits says:

            I get traded back and forth so often my head’s spinning.

      • Rugger says:

        Yes, ERB should be on the list but overall I am about 70% okay with the list, some of my all time favorites (forever War, Ringworld, HHGttU) some I hated (lefthand of darkness, anything by A.C. Clarke).

  10. DipsyDoodler says:

    1) DD only scores because he gets powerplay time.

    2) DD is terrible on the powerplay.

    This gets to the root of my problem with the DD bashers. It’s not the obsessiveness, or the misplaced anger, it’s not even the paranoid appeal to “language politics”, it’s the lack of logic.

    Simple logic. That too much too ask?

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • Max_a_million says:

      If Max Pac played with Eller, he would have a thousand goals.

      He only plays with Davey because they are friends, and he wants to protect him.

      Vanek wanted to play with Max Pac and Davey because of Max Pac, not Davey. He really wanted to play with Eller, he just didn’t know it.

      • HardHabits says:

        What am I thinking now?

      • krob1000 says:

        IF Eller played with MAx maybe the RW would score too….Dd had a top 5 NHL scorer and still finished 37th among NHl centers..not exactly 1st line numbers despite 1st line role. I will say though when he had 2 larger wingers he did better…both with Cole and with Vanek.

        • Luke says:

          He went 21 games (or so.. 19, actually) with only 1 assist and still managed to end up 37th in centre scoring?

          That’s actually pretty impressive. The 51 points in 60 games, I mean.
          70 point pace. Hope he keeps that rolling next season!

          • krob1000 says:

            Well in his last 77 games he has 59 points…including playoffs, if you count the whole season and the playoffs he had 60 points in his last 99 games….hope he is prefecting the Ovechkin hot stick at that pace. I wonder who is in the market for a nubmer 1 center with numbers like those! MB must be needing a secretary just to deflect the DD calls….

          • Luke says:

            Great, now do Eller’s last 77 game (or 99 games).

            I know I know… Butbutbutbut… wingerschancesfaceoffs…

            (And remember I like Eller).

            All iwas pointing out was that DD put up some really good numbers in his last 60 games. Not sure why you got all attacky.

    • krob1000 says:

      I hope you are joking….ANYONE in the NHL who consistently plays on the 1st pp unit will get pp points. When Pleks was the center on the PP it was CONSISTENTLY among the top in the NHL ( I know this consistency thing is an issue on here). MT also likes to not make a pp unit….he likes to use his regular lines as often as possible. This does not meaen they are the best option…thank you for your logic lesson though Spock. Live long and prosper.

    • Paz says:

      I saw DD and Eller playing their butts off last playoff and helping the team past the Lightning and the Bruins.

      They both were effective and deserve credit.

      • krob1000 says:

        Booooo (this the boo that is actually like clapping)

        • Paz says:

          When Desharnais is playing well he controls the puck, holds on to it, and then finds Max for a scoring chance.

          When Eller is playing well he battles along the boards, wins those battles, comes out with the puck and makes things happen.

          Desharnais has great vision and he’s a terrific passer.

          Eller is a strong player, excellent skater, and very tough to play against.

          They are different players.

          Both have strengths and weaknesses.

          • krob1000 says:

            Agree….DD is a better passer than Eller…but I still believe that Eller could produce like DD does. What Eller lacks in ivision he would make up IMO in being better at retrieving pucks, going to the net and his use of both wingers instead of primarily using one along with his willingness to shoot pucks and drive the puck to the net.

          • Paz says:

            That could be. I liked Eller setting up Gallagher for his goals when they played together on that Egg line. And in the playoffs he was great with Bourque.

      • Max_a_million says:

        You have to pick just ONE!

    • HardHabits says:

      Everybody here (except maybe some newbs) know I rarely pull my punches and shoot from the hip. I calls’em as I sees’em and generally I aim for and hot my target.

      I followed DD since he was in the ECHL. I always wanted him to make the NHL, because as a vertically challenged individual I can relate to DD’s ability to prove his detractors wrong.

      Last season when he sucked I was on his case and when he turned it around I acknowledged it. In the play-offs. Most notably around game 5 of the Boston series I questioned his compete level. However he raised the bar and proved his mettle.

      I still think having him as a top 6 centre is not part of a recipe for a Cup win, however I do not find it completely unpalatable to see him in the mix in one form or another.

      • habcertain says:

        So when he is playing good you like him, when he’s not, you criticize him, got it, I think your position is fully covered.

        • HardHabits says:

          Wrong. If he plays well I recognize and acknowledge it. Same if he plays poorly. It’s called having observation skills and being capable of critical thinking

          • habcertain says:

            The point is, don’t most fans do that about most players, when Max falls into a slump, which he does, if you gauge feedback here, he should be shot.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        I relate to him too size wise. Good story would like to see him in the top 9 maybe as a winger. Not with Pacioretty or nothing. I just think Eller, Galchenyuk Plek at their best vs DD at his best is a big drop.

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

      • Habfan17 says:

        Problem is, unless he is on the top 2 lines, he has no place. He is not a 3rd or 4th line player and he is not on par with other number 1 centres. The Habs have at least 2 other centres that are number 2, so he simply does not fit.

        Habfan17

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      He is bad on the PP, not just him Pacioretty isn’t great either. Hence why our PP was bad last year.

      51 of his career 163 have been on the PP. That’s almost 1/3 of his pts..

      Eller Galchenyuk are better PP options than DD Max

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • Habfan17 says:

      Simple fact, DD did not do well on the power play. With the extra space, he should have put up more points. Although part of the problem was the ” system” they used.

      Habfan17

  11. HardHabits says:

    Peter Mueller

    297 NHL games played over 5 seasons and on 3 teams
    Had two good years with the Coyotes, then his stock plummeted.

    In his first 2 years played 153 games; 35G – 55A – 90Pts minus 20
    In the next 3 years played 144 games; 28G – 42A – 70Pts minus 15

    Traded from Phoenix to Colorado for Wojtek Wolski who was last seen in the KHL.

    The last NHL team Mueller played for was the Panthers and he had a hard time cracking their line up. A team that finished dead last.

    His shot % was low and he was weak on face-offs that final season.

    He has zero play-off experience in any professional league. Career highlight is World Junior Gold.

    There’s a reason why he is in the Swiss league and not the NHL.

    Cannot play a full season. Defensively weak. Has gotten worse with time and isn’t even 30.

    Projection: doesn’t have the work ethic to play in the NHL.

    Will not and mean not get signed by the Habs. Ever. Case closed.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The big variable here is that he suffered from concussions and it affected his play and production. The idea is that he’s now recovered and ready to contribute in the NHL.

      Another issue is that he’s not as strong on faceoffs as Zenon Konopka.

  12. krob1000 says:

    The only way Galchenyuk gets moved to center is if the team can find a top 6 left winger…until then it makes the most sense to leave things as they are. So DD will get his 50-65 points, Eller will get his 30 -40 ish and plPleks will get 40-55 ish. The Dd and Pleks units could actaully see their points escalate..Pleks should have less d responsibility with Malhotra helping there and the addition of a 2nd pp unit on the point should help the guys who were getting phantom PP time with very little chance of ever scoring with a dead tired PK andJosh Gorges.

  13. crane says:

    Mueller not Swiss connections,born Minnesota U.S.A. drafted 8 Th.He just played in Swiss League last year 49 points in 46 games.

  14. frontenac1 says:

    The Norse Gods will be summoning Lars shortly. He will re-discover his Viking roots.”Never walk away from home ahead of your Axe and Sword.You cannot feel a battle in your bones or Foresee a fight”

  15. HardHabits says:

    Have the Habs traded Subban, DD, Budaj and Moen for Letang and Malkin yet?

  16. Ian Cobb says:

    Our 8th annual 2014 HIO Fan Summit is, Nov.29th weekend.

    Looks like about 150 of us this year will attend!

    ITINERARY & LOCATIONS
    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet 2nd floor at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St. Some of us will be having supper there. Big screen for Hab’s at Buffalo game for us on the 2nd floor, and name tags will be given out.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St. You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center and Hall of Fame Tours.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation charity raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with.

    Then our Baton Rouge restaurant pre game dinner. With special guests.

    After dinner we walk across the street to see the Hab’s take on Gionta, Gorges and the Buffalo Sabers.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.
    Ian

  17. krob1000 says:

    Lars Eller just turned 25 years old….this is what each of he, Dd and Pleks had done by same age….

    Eller at age 25….played 286 nhl games and scored 103 points
    DD at age 25 ….played 43 NHl games and scored 22 points
    Tomas Plekanec at age 25…played 159 games and scored 76 points ( actually would be slightly more…depends how many games he played up until late Oct and points)

    Someone is ahead of the career trajectory of both of the centers ahead of him in the lineup….

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Ya but Eller didn’t light it up in the ECHL so how can we know if he can produce at every level?

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      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • B says:

      When Plekanec was 25, he put up 69 points in 81 games. When Desharnais was 25, he put up 60 points in 81 games. It would be great to see Eller put up points like that as a 25 year old next season.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • Forum Dog says:

        He’d have to get loads of PP time, play on the first or second line, and have the team’s best wingers to do it. That’s what helped those two other guys put up the numbers they did as 25 year olds….

        • Mattyleg says:

          He’d have to earn it.
          Like the others did.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • krob1000 says:

            lol…Dd earned it? by putting up 22 points in 43 games he earned it??? I guess Elelr should have earned it after putting up a 53 point pace at the same age DD got his 22 points in 43 games then??? Should Eller not have “earned it” based on what you say “earned” it for DD? Reality is there was no other option…Pleks had to go to a shutdown role and the team was a lottery team that year. Pleks played with Kovalev and Andrei K…best line Hbs have had together in over a decade.

          • Forum Dog says:

            lol – Is that how DD did it? During his first full year in the NHL? Or how Plekanec did it? Having scored 29 and 47 points respectively in his first 2 seasons before getting Kovy as a winger?

            You can hate on Eller all you want. I share your opinion when it comes to his consistency thus far. But don’t be blind to the fact that he has not had the same offensive opportunities those other guys did. And it was not (IMO) just because they earned it and he hasn’t. A lot of it is a matter of circumstance.

            It is tough to put up 60 even strength points in the NHL. You need top-line mates and PP time to produce those types of numbers.

            EDIT: Sorry Krob. Looks like we had the same reaction there….

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            “Pleks played with Kovalev and Andrei K…best line Hbs have had together in over a decade.”

            Patch, Cole and DD line was better imo.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            The pleks Kovy and Ak line I don’t think was as good as the Max-Vanek -DD line in the regular season

          • Mattyleg says:

            lol… players don’t generally get bumped up the depth chart for putting up a good ‘pace’.

            And people on here are funny about age.
            Who cares what age a player is when he is doing whatever?
            Player A at this age did this, so he is better than Player B, who only did this at that age.
            Talk about your lols.

            And Dog, I don’t hate on Eller, I just think that he is far more mediocre than a lot of posters would like to believe.
            I see him making a lot of the same mistakes that he’s made since he started with the club and it makes me feel tired.
            Tired and hungry.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Luke says:

          Chickens and Eggs syndrome.

          If he plays like it, he’ll get the time.

          He and Bourque crushed as a tandem (the NHL, it would seem, is about the tandem now, not the trifecta) in the playoffs when the going is toughest. If they continue to, during the regular season when it should be easier, they’ll force the Habs hand and get their PP time.

          • Forum Dog says:

            Maybe. I actually will be surprised if Eller gets much PP time, especially with the other guys they have who can play on a second unit (i.e. Gallagher, Galcheynuk, Parenteau, Plekanec). Ultimately I don’t think Eller’s destiny is to put up huge numbers. I think he is expected to assert himself as two way centre who can play hard, physical hockey, score 20 goals, and put up around 50 points. If he can do that, he is worth $3.5M.

            If/when Plekanec moves on, he might get some more PP time. But by then Galchenyuk is likely to have slid over and assumed that scoring spot. Like I said elsewhere, a lot of it is circumstance.

      • krob1000 says:

        Both of those guys were given first line duties….it is unrealistic to expect that unless eller plays with Patches and Gallagher and gets 1st unit pp all year. Then I think he would prodcue similarly…all the while being more complete than Dd and not quite as complete yet as Pleks.

  18. Steeltown Hab says:

    The way I view PK negotiation is Bergevin was greedy last time around. Grinding out the best defensemen on the team at that point to a 2-year bridge when he was literally everything for the team in his years leading up.

    If Meehan / PKs camp is greedy or asking for a lot. Given what he’s attained, Norris, Gold, raised cap, Toews / Kane deals. That’s what Bergevin gets for not taking a long term then. Part of the learning curve for him, will keep him smart for Galchenyuk negoc next year.

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    Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • Cal says:

      Give it a rest. The PK bridge deal was good for the Habs AND good for PK. Do you really think Bergevin is that stupid? Keeping control of the salary of a RFA Dman without arbitration rights was EXACTLY the right thing to do. Guess what? Chucky and Gally will be treated the same way and the Habs will be better off for it.

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        PK at 5M for the next 4 years wouldn’t be good for MTL? How can that be argued…

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

        • Cal says:

          There wasn’t any CAP SPACE last year and this to give PK more money. A RFA without negotiating rights who is drafted in the second round doesn’t get the big money right away. It is stupid to do it. Look at Tyler Myers for Buffalo. Instead of being an up and coming player for the Sabres, his contract made him an albatross the past two years.

          • Luke says:

            Stop using facts and evidence!!!
            PEEEEKAAAAAAAAY!

            Galchenyuk better get 8.5 million/season for 8 years because Datsyuk is good!

          • Steeltown Hab says:

            Subban gave you every signal possible that you could ever see that he was going to succeed from day 1.

            27 mins in game 7 against pittsburgh with less than 10 games nhl experience and was a complete animal matched up with Crosby.

            2 Goals in game 7 including the one to send them to OT against Boston who won the cup that year. Subban was a sure bet.

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            Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

          • habcertain says:

            Nonsense, cap space was not the issue, MT made it clear that he was not convinced about PK, MB bought in. PK’s play is now making them pay for the oversight, plain and simple.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        To be fair Cal, it’s pretty obvious the Habs could have locked up Subban at a relative discount on a medium to long term deal.

        I get the logic behind the bridge deal, but I think it was a safe and almost conservative bet, that Subban was going to develop into #1 defenseman (there was little chance of a Phaneuf nosedive after 2 seasons imo).

        • Cal says:

          It’s all about managing the Cap. It is no slight to PK.

          • habs-fan-84 says:

            To be honest I hadn’t even thought of that Cal. I guess when the deal was signed, it was right after the lockout and they knew the cap would immediately be going down in the next season (last season).

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        Wait are you implying the bridge deal is the reason PK is the player he is

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        Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • TheCanadianDagger says:

      Have a look at what personal and team awards Toews and Kane have and compare them to what PK has won.

    • Habilis says:

      I have to disagree. Even though I was among those who called for a long term deal last time, I see now that a bridge was the best option for the team and more than that, for the league as a whole.

      P.K.’s bridge deal will probably be brought up in every young RFA negotiation for the next decade, especially so for our young guys, many of which are up for contracts next summer. The “P.K. did it, why can’t you?” line is going to get a lot of mileage.

      By sticking to his guns, MB set a precedent that he can fall back on every time he deals with a young RFA.

      Plus, if he had gone long term last time, it would have been a 5 or 6 year deal, 2 of which would have already elapsed. So you’d have 3 or 4 seasons before P.K. is a UFA in his prime. This way, we will probably get another 7 or 8 years before that happens.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        Good points.

      • bwoar says:

        Just making sure you realize my KHL post on Subban was some major sarcasm.

        I agree with your post here 100%.

      • habcertain says:

        Check the stats, many good young players have never crossed the bridge, MB was not prepared to offer long term, for what is now a pittance of a salary, the only upside belongs to PK.

        • Habilis says:

          Not sure how you can think that. MB got an obvious bargain on P.K. last time, and now he’s set the club up to do the same thing again. How is that bad?

          To be clear, I understand that the actual dollars P.K. will receive in the next 3-4 years will be a lot more than they would have been. But what about after that? MB would have to re-sign P.K. at 28 or 29 years old with the cap somewhere around 80-85mil. How much will a top D-man get in that situation? 12mil? 13mil? Those salaries are not even far fetched.

          That’s the thing with signing young superstars. No matter what you give them, as long as they continue progressing and the cap keeps rising, the deal becomes a bargain.

          IMHO, it was absolutely genius of MB to put the club in a position to negotiate with P.K. twice before the age of 26. Now he can sign him from 25 to 33 years old, the physical prime of most athlete’s careers.

          I just don’t see how this is a bad thing for the club. Like, at all.

  19. Mr. Biter says:

    Eller walks in wanting $3.1 M and MB offers $4.4M. A twenty point forward making $4.4M. Well we have our talking point for next year if Lars does not get off to a hot start.
    And I like Eller, but not for $4.4M.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  20. DipsyDoodler says:

    It’s Friday so time to play “if there was the Internet in 1977 what would H I/O have looked like”?

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  21. DipsyDoodler says:

    Anyone know if Don Meehan was a Habs fan? I presume as an agent he can’t afford to officially support any one team.
    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  22. Mattyleg says:

    So Larry’s got 4 years to finally realize all of his incredible untapped potential.

    That is, unless that dastardly DD continues to impede him every step of the way…

    Should be fun to watch.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Don’t forget the Eddie Creatchman-like MT, who actively, constantly prevents his players from reaching their full potential.

    • Luke says:

      Bourque scored at a 38 goal pace on Eller’s wing in the Playoffs.

      I expect nothing less. The playoffs proved they can dominate together.

    • shiram says:

      Eller sounds like the player you like the least on the team, or is it just a counter balance thing for all those that are pumping his tires?

      • Mattyleg says:

        I love all of my children equally.

        I just sometimes get tired of hearing a player’s potential constantly eclipsing their actual performance.

        We’ve just given a $3.5m deal for a player averaging 27 points over the past three seasons.

        I feel the same way about Bourque, and felt the same way about Pouliot: he can turn it on, but it never stays turned on. It’s frustrating.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Forum Dog says:

          Not too many players stay turned on all season. The ones that do are the greats. You could go up and down the MTL lineup and the only one who was consistently very good was Price. You pay in part for what a player can do, not what they do every night.

          • Mattyleg says:

            I agree.
            Going 33 games with only 1 goal and 2 assists, however, is a little less than just ‘not staying turned on night in, night out’.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • krob1000 says:

            Matty is it really any worse than 1 assist in 21 games ?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yes.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • shiram says:

          Your math is unfair, you include the shortened season as a full one, if we average his production of the last 3 years, over 82 games it gives a different number.
          84 points over 202 games, in the last 3 seasons, gives a ratio of 34 points.
          Still nothing extraordinary, but consistent with the role he was given.

          Plekanec only had 43 points last season.

          • Paz says:

            Hey Shiram, nice catch!

          • Mattyleg says:

            That’s true, I didn’t take into account the shortened season.
            I don’t really like projections though; I don’t find them accurate.

            As for Pleks, he is 31 and is on the waning end of his career.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HardHabits says:

      NO man. Lars is taking French lesson so he can usurp that nepotist DD.

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    Here’s a link to the list of UFA goaltenders available right now.

    http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents/?year_id=2014&team_id=-1&position_id=G&fa_type_id=2

    The Canucks have Ryan Miller and Eddie Lack, and Jacob Markstrom has asked for a trade. Joacim Eriksson is one year away from being waiver eligible.

    The Flames have Jonas Hiller, Karri Ramo, and have just signed Joni Ortio. The Oilers have Ben Scrivens, Viktor Fasth, and Richard Bachmann, with Laurent Brossoit getting groomed in the wings.

    On and on, every team has two or three or more goalies that they don’t know what to do with. Very few have a Carey Price or a Tuuka Rask, an unquestioned All-Star goalie, which allows them latitude when it comes to their backup.

    So anyway, I’m not saying that Dustin Tokarski wouldn’t get claimed on waivers, but I’m not sure he would be either, and to say that any team not claiming ought to get their heads examined is a vast overstatement. He’s a 25 year old AHL goalie who’s had average to good results, played a few NHL games and had some success lately. Again though, he’s listed at 5’11″, and that counts against him in today’s NHL.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Max_a_million says:

      He’s a cheap asset they were willing to go with in the conferences finals. The problem is that even though the chance is slight, it exist and you lose him if anyone decides they want him and his low salary. Could be some hidden injuries out there too, and possibly more injuries or cuts when the season gets underway.

    • on2ndthought says:

      can’t agree. Tokarski on waivers makes a whole bunch of teams better in their second goalie slot, without any capspace (you need two goalies, he’s at the minimum).

      Chiarelli has Svedberg, who doesn’t need to clear waivers. He gets sent to AHL for polishing. Tokarski makes the Bruins better (hmmm…. what team does Rask struggle against?) and weakens the Habs depth chart at least (I also think he is a better back-up than Budaj, who I love!!). This is a no-brainer move for Boston, get better, weaken your rival.

      “a cannonading drive”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        You make a good case for the Bruins taking him, and I’m not saying it’s impossible. I do understand that it ‘only takes one’ team to like him for us to lose him. But the sense that it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll get snapped up, as if he were Patrick Roy at the ’87 training camp and we were trying to sneak him down, is overblown. I think the Canucks’ Jacob Markstrom is even more likely to get claimed, for example.

  24. on2ndthought says:

    Shiram:
    Svedberg does not have to clear waivers, will be a decent goalie in time. ALL the GMs saw Tokarski shine, not all have the roster spot for a back-up. The teams I mentioned do, and need a quality goaltender now. We’ll see what happens, but if Tokarski is put on waivers, I’d be surprised if he makes it as far as the Bruins, but Chiarelli will not let him pass.

    “a cannonading drive”

    • shiram says:

      We’ll see, if we lose him, well I’ll be glad he gets a chance to play in the NHL somewhere, and Budaj is still a good backup.

      • on2ndthought says:

        You’ll be glad to see him start against Budaj for the Bruins????? not me

        “a cannonading drive”

        • shiram says:

          You’re putting words in my mouth that I did not say.

          And that’s the price of being in the NHL business.
          They played the kid in the playoffs, now they have this issue to work with.
          If it comes to him being claimed on waivers, yes I’ll be glad he gets a chance to backup in the NHL, be it the Bruins or anywhere else, but as was stated below it’s extremely unlikely the Bruins pick him up.

    • Forum Dog says:

      I posted this below and, while I could be wrong, Tokarski having to clear waivers is all contingent on how the Habs handle it. My understanding of the situation is:

      - If MTL assigns him to the Bulldogs 12 days before the regular season starts (i.e. during training camp), he DOES NOT have to clear waivers;
      - If MTL calls him up as an emergency replacement (i.e. due to an injury to Price or Budaj), he DOES NOT have to clear waivers;
      - If MTL tries to call him up/re-assign him up for any other reason during the regular season, he DOES have to clear waivers

      So, if they start him in the minors, he can stay there until he is needed as an emergency recall. Personally, I see this as the best strategy. Give him a year in Hamilton while Budaj runs out his contract, then have him as a back-up next year and let Fucale take over in Hamilton.

      • B says:

        I had a similar thought here a while ago, but then became convinced that they can’t assign a waiver eligible player to the AHL outside of the waiver period.

        ARTICLE 13
        WAIVERS AND LOANS OF PLAYERS TO MINOR LEAGUE CLUBS

        13.1 A Club shall not dispose of the services of any Player in which it has a proprietary interest by Loan to a club of another league without first having complied with the provisions of this Article. The Waivers that are recognized by this Agreement are Regular Waivers and Unconditional Waivers.

        13.2 The “Playing Season Waiver Period” shall begin on the twelfth (12th) day prior to the start of the Regular Season and end on the day following the last day of a Club’s Playing Season. Subject to the provisions of this Article, the rights to the services of a Player may be Loaned to a club of another league, upon fulfillment of the following conditions, except when elsewhere expressly prohibited:
        (a) Regular Waivers were requested and cleared during the Playing Season Waiver Period; and
        (b) the Player has not played in ten (10) or more NHL Games cumulative since Regular Waivers on him were last cleared, and more than thirty (30) days cumulative on an NHL roster have not passed since Regular Waivers on him were last cleared.

        –Go Habs Go!–

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I don’t think this is correct. The 12 days issue isn’t a screen you can use to ‘hide’ players, it’s just the official start of the season, as it were. Before that, you can’t send players down, make transactions, etc.

        I can’t find the exact reference, but the way it works is, all of your roster at rookie/training camp, all of it, is exposed to waivers when being sent down to the AHL. Even if a player spent the previous season in the AHL (ie: Gabriel Dumont), he’s starts camp on the NHL roster and has to go through waivers this year if we send him down.

        Obviously, waiver-exempt players, those who haven’t accumulated the number of games or seniority, are not eligible to be claimed.

        The basic reason for this is that the NHLPA bargained this into their agreements. Back in the day, the Canadiens could have two or three teams stocked with NHL talent in the AHL, while teams like the Golden Seals and the Kansas City Scouts were famished for players, which is bad for league parity. Meanwhile, the PA had members stuck in the minors, having been drafted by a powerful team with few opportunities to crack the NHL roster. So waivers is a mechanism that allows players to graduate to the NHL and earn some real money, and equalizes the talent pool somewhat.

        And it works. The L.A. Kings traded Linden Vey to the Canucks because they knew he wouldn’t make their roster this season, but wouldn’t pass through waivers in September, someone would claim him. So they got a second-rounder from the Canucks, Vancouver gets their putative third-line centre, and the player starts his NHL career. Everyone’s sorta happy.

        So Dustin Tokarski, Gabriel Dumont, Davis Drewiske, they’ll all be considered NHL players for waiver purposes at the start of the season, and go through waivers if/when they’re sent down.

        The links below don’t address this issue specifically, but give a good rundown of the waivers process. The Pension Plan Puppets article is somewhat dated though, since it refers to recall-waivers, which have been abolished in the new CBA. The players felt that if a team had gotten lucky and sneaked a player down to the minors, they’d leave him there for the entire season, not wanting to expose him to recall waivers if they called him up, even if there were lots of injuries. So this obviously went counter to the players’ benefit.

        http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/11/26/1174855/waivers-101-a-guide-to-the-nhl

        http://www.litterboxcats.com/2013/10/7/4792782/nhl-waiver-waivers-cba-florida-panthers
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        • Forum Dog says:

          Could be. Still a bit muddy to me though. It seems like you should be able to assign players wherever you want outside of the waiver period…..

          If Tokarski does have to clear waivers to join Hamilton, he is likely to be selected. A decent back-up making $500K could probably help a number of teams.

          • B says:

            You can’t loan / assign players who are subject to waivers outside of the waiver period, either before it (early in camp) or after it (once the team’s NHL season ends).

            –Go Habs Go!–

  25. Max_a_million says:

    Do we like Lars Eller better than these top free agents signed this season:
    Name Total Years Avg
    Stastny, Paul $28M 4 $7M
    Bolland, Dave $27.5M 5 $5.5M
    Grabovski, Mikhail $20M 4 $5M
    Legwand, David $6M 2 $3M
    Perreault, Mathieu $9M 3 $3M
    Ott, Steve $5.2M 2 $2.6M
    Jokinen, Olli $2.5M 1 $2.5M
    Boyle, Brian $6M 3 $2M
    Richards, Brad $2M 1 $2M

  26. Rugger says:

    What I like about the Lars deal is that many of us are saying “Hopefully he can continue to improve” instead of “I hope he can be as good as he was 10 years ago (Gomez, Gianta, Briere…). A deal looking to the future not the past.

    • Max_a_million says:

      True, and he has size and athleticism. Which leaves his future versatile. He could score more, defend more, etc. He isn’t a one trick pony who is useless if he stops performing his one trick.

  27. shiram says:

    I’m glad they signed Lars for 4 years, I think the cap hit might be a tad high, but I also think he can play better than he did during the last regular season.

    I’m also happy to see he sees the same areas of impoverishment as most have noted, consistency and offensive production.

    I’m hoping we see a better offensive overall, Habs finished in the bottom third scoring wise last season.

    • krob1000 says:

      His offensive production will depend on his role as assigned by MT.

      • Dust says:

        not really. there are lots of 3rd line players who produced more offencively than lars.
        If MT uses him the same as he did last year an increase in offense shouldn’t be out of the question

        • krob1000 says:

          Who were the wingers of these guys? and what was their role? Also we all know he had an off season.

          • Luke says:

            Actually, we don’t know he had an off-season. He had a season that matched his career average to date. We suspect he is capable of more, sure.

            Do you think Joe Colborne had better wingers in Calgary? He played fewer minutes and scored more points.

      • shiram says:

        Well sure that would help, but he can also do more in the role he has had, and will likely still have come next season.

      • B says:

        His assigned role in the playoffs was much better that it was in the regular season?

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • krob1000 says:

          Yes…he played quite a bit with Gionta and Bourque…not Travis Moen and Brandon Prust or whoever else. He also got to play with Weise and Bourque cared in the playoffs.

          • B says:

            Galchenyuk and Gallagher were his most common line mates during the regular season. Moen’s name doesn’t even show up on the list.

            –Go Habs Go!–

  28. krob1000 says:

    If Stamkos went to TO it would be a huge increase in his endorsement money. He would be the best player to ever play for the Leafs IMO. TO is the leagues best hockey markoet from a dollars persepective….he is from thee, he works out there during the offseason…it makes a lot of sense. It is not like Crosby…..Crosby’s hometown does not have a team. People use LEcavelier…that is ok I guess but Lecavelier would be expected to be the next Beliveau…in TO…Stamkos has noone to live up to but himslef. LEcavelier was never going to be able to become Jean Beliveau…Stamkos if he went to TO would instantly rival Crosby for most popular player in the NHL…..it would not be a bad thing for Stamkos. I honestly think I can see it happening….assuming TO has a decent team.

    • Phil C says:

      It also wouldn’t surprise me if Stamkos was using the biggest hockey media in the world to create a buzz for his next contract. It will certainly help drive up his price. 

      • krob1000 says:

        That would be his agents…I don’t think Stamkos is the mercenary type…he wants to win…he wants to be the best. There are few guys if any who are as committed year round re diet, training,etc as Stamkos….he wants to be the best, he is driven an wants to win….I can see it happening though. HE would immediately be the best Maple Leaf ever……that has to be pretty appealing. HE isn’t trying to live up to anyone..he is instantly the man, the best player ever to wear the Maple Leaf and although we are not fans of the LEafs we can not underestimate tha passion of Leaf fans and people who grew up in Toronto….they have been programmed to be LEafs fans. I don’t know why but given this was out there before the media…I can see it happening.

    • Dust says:

      As long as tampa is competitive and looks promising for the future he wont leave.
      If tampa sucks than for sure i could see him leaving. However, Toronto would be one of many teams interested in Stamkos.

    • on2ndthought says:

      If they have Connor McDavid, there is a chance. Otherwise….

      “a cannonading drive”

  29. Iceberg84 says:

    Hey HIO team, I’ve been a big fan of this blog for years, but these new pop up ads you guys have started using are really annoying and really lousy to deal with. Not trying to troll, but nobody likes pop ups. I won’t be using this site for my Habs news if it stays that way and I’m sure a lot of people feel like that. I’m sorry about the death of print media, but this is not the solution.

  30. Un Canadien errant says:

    So, who gets credit for launching Peter Mueller as the Konopka-balloon this summer?

    ———————————————————————–
    It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  31. TheCanadianDagger says:

    The Toronto Sports Network is a joke! Stamkos mentioned he grew up a Leafs fan and TSN is losing it over him joining the Laffs. Crosby grew up a Habs fan… so he must be coming to the Habs!

    • krob1000 says:

      I think there may be a little more to the Stamkos thing…I had heard this rumour long ago…not from the media. Eventually one of these superstars is going to decide they just want to play at home when they can. I am surprised more don’t.. some are afraid of the pressure while others invite it. I can see Stamkos being a guy who would thrive in it.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I took the time to read the articles, against my better judgment, and there was a bit more to it than that. There were a couple of tweets, one about Toronto-born players coming home as UFA’s, and another about him finishing his career as a Leaf, something like that, and he ‘Liked’ both tweets on his Twitter account. So it’s a little bit like the Evander Kane story when he liked a tweet about him being traded to the Flyers.

      Having said that, I don’t think he’s going anywhere. Canadiens fans were similarly Lecavalier-teased for years, where he’d say all the right things to the Montréal media, and to the Tampa media as well. When it came down to it, Vincent was happy in Florida, and I think we’ll find the same for Steven Stamkos. Playing for the Lightning is all he knows, he’s comfortable there, he can extend his contract for eight more years next July, he’ll almost certainly avail himself of that option and that security, rather than waiting it out to wade into the Toronto maelstrom.

      • on2ndthought says:

        I think it will be contingent on Drouin developing chemistry with SS. Stamkos is a beast all on his own, but to thrive he needs a setup man. In 2 years he’ll decide who has the best match and money for him, and that’s where he’ll go/stay.

        “a cannonading drive”

        • krob1000 says:

          It will be whether or not Tampa is in contention…if they are? he probably stays…if the two teams are equal aside from him? I suspect he would go back to TO

          • on2ndthought says:

            Patches Stamkos Gallagher
            Chucky Stamkos Gally or PAP or fill-in-the-blank

            “a cannonading drive”

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        Sometimes I favorite tweets because they are funny, or stupid, or an entertaining counter point to my own p.o.v. Doesn’t mean I always agree with them.

  32. on2ndthought says:

    Penner is big enough, not tough enough for the role we need.
    Mueller is walking on egg shells, he will avoid collisions and his first will be his last (hope I’m wrong for his sake, this sounds harsh)

    I hate to give the MOAR bigger crowd any sustenance, but IF we sign a big body, it better be able to take a regular shift and have a mean streak. That is where my Malone comments were coming from. I don’t like him, but would rather he be a Hab than Bruin or Ranger (if he ever plays another NHL game)

    Don’t know why there is still debate. Toker needs to clear waivers (see link to capgeek below). I love Budaj, but if we are keeping our two best goalies, then Price and Tokarski are the way to go. I think Tokarski should get 30 to 35 games. Give Price rest (and incentive):
    http://www.capgeek.com/waiver-calculator/?player_id=924&nineteen_games=&NHL_games=&Calculate=

    “a cannonading drive”

    • Cal says:

      There’s a good reason Penner has been given up on. Habs, right now, don’t need him.
      Tokarski should get 20 games to keep sharp, but will only see about 12 if Price stays healthy.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’m really not convinced that Dustin Tokarski wouldn’t clear waivers at the start of the season. Everyone’s roster is jam-packed during training camp, everyone is trying to sneak their own prospects and longshots down to the minors, even the sad sacks like the Islanders and the Flames. Not many teams have room for fringe players from other teams.

      Sad to say, but I’d be much more worried if Dustin were 6’3″. In today’s NHL, that’s the reality, everyone is looking for tall goalies, and he’s going against type.

      The Canucks will have a much tougher time trying to send Jacob Markstrom down to the minors, he’s the prototype, the goalie every team wants nowadays, never mind the actual stats and results. Like Chris says, the NHL will give Jacob Markstrom every opportunity to prove he can’t goaltend before giving Dustin Tokarski a chance to prove he can.

  33. Luke says:

    Ugh.

    Leafs fans just stopped by my desk to let me know who they are set to dominate (Komarov was a great move!!) and that Montreal will probably miss the playoffs.

    Apparently PK is looking for a short term deal so he an Stamkos can sign in Toronto together the year after next…

  34. sprague cleghorn says:

    Probably not significant, but PK is back in Montreal. And the Habs website has put up old videos of him training in off-season.

    … ‘ow could we forget that?

    • on2ndthought says:

      I think the Eller deal demonstrates that MB is bargaining in good faith. PK will listen to his agent, but I think he will also be listening to his dad, his GM, and his conscience. FAIR value, and a contract structured somewhat like Eller’s. How about 7 years: 6.5M, 7M, 7.5M, 8M, 8.5M, 9M, 9.5M ? cap hit 8M

      “a cannonading drive”

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        For what it’s worth, Don Meehan is also negotiating in good faith. Doing so and driving a very hard bargain are not mutually exclusive.

        Bad faith bargaining is when you’re leading the other side on, and have no intention of reaching a deal. The B.C. government was twice found by the courts to have bargained in bad faith with its teachers union, when it dragged negotiations on with the express intention of forcing a walkout, and then waging a P.R. campaign to undermine them and turning the public against them. Our ‘Liberal’ government is very much a neo-con cabal, and they subscribe to some devious tactics to pursue their ideology of paying ministers and crown corporation lavishly “to remain competitive with the private sector”, but doesn’t mind if its doctors and nurses and ambulance attendants are poor schmoes who’ll work for the lowest bid.

        But anyway, Don Meehan is a professional, he’s trying to get the best contract he can for P.K., and is across the table from Marc Bergevin, who is proving to be more than competent. Again, I have no doubt that this will be settled before it gets to arbitration. But the chicken littles will squawk all the way that the sky will fall.

        • on2ndthought says:

          Yeah, our liberal gov’t in Quebec is likely to try some tough tactics our next negotiations. They’l be too smart to leave an electronic paper trail.

          “a cannonading drive”

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I want to correct that these were not “tough tactics”, they were outright illegal. They got fined and the agreement that resulted from the illegal tactics was thrown out, twice.

            Tough bargaining is fair game. Bad faith bargaining is illegal.

  35. ProHabs says:

    Lets hope PK (or I should say his agent) doesn’t get too greedy and signs a deal that is somewhat cap friendly (such as Price and MaxPac did) so that the team has some extra cash to continue improving the team.

    Still anxiously awaiting the signing of a team goon to protect the players.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Meehan is worried about getting the best contract for his client. I don’t think he really cares about the team and being cap friendly. If we have looked at his previous deals he is able to get blood from a stone. Most of them were UFA deals though as well where PK is still an RFA.

      Should be interesting. I bet it is settled before arbitration as well

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I don’t think he is going to take much of a discount if any, and there is no reason why he should even though it would be nice.

      Personally, still anxiously hoping no team goon is signed, I hate that whiny crap.

    • Forum Dog says:

      I think that if MB sticks to his guns, he might get PK on something close to $8M. I think that when you factor in a rising cap, PK’s last “bridge” contract, and the 2 years that have past since his comparables got their long-term deals, $8M is fair market value.

      I also don’t think he (PK) is going to try and bend MB over a barrel, even if Meehan would like to. PK knows that he needs a good team around him if they are going to win the Cup, and if he hamstrings the franchise by demanding a ridiculous contract, he’ll lose the chance to go down in MTL history. Given that he is a long-time fan-turned-player, I can’t see him doing that.

  36. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    I agree with what posters are saying this morning. MB has done very well to date IMO. Getting PAP and Sekac into the fold was a nice treat for fans, they’ll be useful players from accounts I have read. Scherbak was an inspired pick again from what I have seen and heard. My guess is that PK will sign for 5 years for an AVV between $8.5M and $9M. He may not want to sign away too many UFA years. Once that’s done folks on this site will breathe easier myself included. The future seems bright….

    24 cups and counting….

    • on2ndthought says:

      MB thinks Sherbak was a no brainer, was surprised he was available.

      “a cannonading drive”

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        I have read that a few times, people saying that the only reason he was available was “the Russian factor” and he is likely a 10th to 15th pick on talent alone. If you look at his numbers, they seem to bear that out, especially for a first year player who does not speak English, pretty great numbers.

  37. habs-fan-84 says:

    Really happy for Eller!
    So glad to hear that he knows he has to work on his consistency. If he can figure out that part of his game, he’ll be a monster. As he said and as we all know, when he’s on his game, there’s not much he needs to change.

    Now, let’s get Subban signed and get this year started!

  38. Sakus Evil Twin says:

    Late to the game this morning – but I’m over the moon about this. It also justifies the Eller jersey I was considering last year…

    No answers, just opinions. Bite me. Och.

  39. Habs_101 says:

    What do you feel is the REALISTIC asking price for E Kane in Winnepeg? Montreal, once Subban is locked up looks like they really are in a position to trade for him.

    A package that includes;

    Pleks/DD (their choice) + Nygren/Patyern (their choice) + Andrighetto + 1st round pick

    Montreal finally has the depth to pull something off this off. Imagine a top 9;

    Patch – DD – Gally
    Kane – Eller – Parenteau
    Bourque – Galch – Sekac

    If we could clear moen and budaj off the cap we could potentially have 4 million plus still in cap space with this lineup. Not sure that deal gets it done though.

    Another interesting option, Dustin Penner 1 year @ 1-1.5 millon??

    GO HABS GO!

    • Habs_101 says:

      If Sekac isn’t ready, let him start in the A.

      Patch – DD – Parenteau
      Kane – Eller – Gally
      Bournival – Galch – Bourque

      GO HABS GO!

    • ProHabs says:

      Never want to see Penner play on the Habs. Evander Kane, yes.

    • HabsWin-nipeg says:

      I’ve posted on this before. Living in Winnipeg, I just don’t see Kane being the kind of player that fits well in Montreal for two reasons:

      1. Can’t see Kane and MT co-existing well. Think of all the things that MT did with PK last year to mold him. PK handled it with class. Kane wouldn’t. Kane won’t tow the line when it comes to team decisions if it conflicts with his own. He ended up more or less in open conflict with the previous coach here. MT would have to tread softly with Kane, and I just don’t see that happening.

      2. MB is always preaching about character. Kane doesn’t seem to fit with the kind of player that are being brought in.

      Not saying that it would never work for Kane in Montreal. Just saying that if I was MB, I would have to think long and hard before bringing in a guy like Kane.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Completely unREALISTIC. The buffet of options you offer are all players that we wouldn’t mind parting with, mid-range to fringe prospects. The Jets have a bunch of guys like that, longshots to ever make the NHL.

      Look, to be REALISTIC, you have to ante up players that it would hurt to part with. Think Max, Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, P.K., Carey Price. Evander Kane is the prototypical big scoring winger who’s tough that every team wants. He’s young, he’s fast. The Jets/Trashers spent a third-overall pick for him. He’s signed for a number of years at a very reasonable amount.

      Options like Magnus Nygren and Sven Andrighetto are dead weight, extra contracts that would clog up their 50 contract limit. I like these guys and hope they make it, but they hold no value in the context of an Evander Kane trade. Tomas Plekanec has a limited NTC, which he won’t waive for a trade to Winnipeg.

      The only realistic component of your package is the first-rounder.

      Habs 101 is a tough course, maybe you need to do some intro courses first.

      • Habs_101 says:

        Winnipeg is not in a position of strength to make this deal- unless you consider the option to keep an unhappy player on your team leverage- therefore is IS NOT the same as trading MAX P, CP31 these are franchise to borderline franchise players, sure I can see the comparison to Gallagher and Galchenyuk, and quite frankly, if I was offered Pleks + Nygren + Andrighetto + 1st for Gallagher I’d do it (given the same situation Winnipeg is in, UNHAPPY Gallagher), I don’t think its that unrealistic. Maybe if you need to up the ante Plek+Tinordi+1st but I say that gets it done for sure, and not sure MB would make that move.

        Not sure you fully understand the entire situation either. Have to consider circumstances ;)

        GO HABS GO!

  40. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

    Life’s good if you’re Lars Eller. He submitted to arbitration looking for 4 years at 3.1 million per… and Bergevin avoided arbitration by giving him 4 years at 3.5!

    Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!
    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds

  41. Arnou Ruelle says:

    I’m guessing that before Aug. 20 arrives, Subban would now have a big whoppa’ contract worth $64+ million for the next 8 years (maybe $72-$75 million). He’s going to sign maybe before Aug. 1 and next week this deal will be done.

  42. Forum Dog says:

    So with the roster as it currently stands, the likelihood of players like Andrighetto, Holland, Thomas and Pateryn getting NHL experience next year are slim to none. Maybe if there is a rash of injuries or if there are some trades between now and March 2015, but otherwise MTL already has NHL level reserves.

    This is obviously disappointing from the prospect’s perspective, but from an organizational and fan-base point-of-view, you have to assume that it is a good thing. There won’t be situations where guys are called up and asked to play roles they either aren’t suited to, or aren’t ready to play at the NHL level. The exception there may be Pateryn, who probably deserves a bit of time but is unlikely to get it. It should help ensure that Hamilton ices a quality squad though, which in turn should help the farm hands develop at the AHL level and learn how to win.

    When it comes to the moves made by MB, I think we can all agree that he has:

    - Replaced Briere with a true RW who should be able to avoid 4th line relegation;
    - Brought in a big strong faceoff specialist who can take all the important defensive draws and solidfy the 4th line;
    - Alleviated the log-jam at LD in a way that should allow for more effective defensive pairings and speed up the development of their blue-chip prospects; and
    - Brought some more balance to the PP by having a legitimate second unit (Beaulieu and Gilbert);

    So basically, he has addressed most of the issues that HIOers routinely ranted about during the course of last season. And he has done it all with a good bit of cap-space to spare. If he can get PK on a team friendly deal, I think he deserves some time in August to toast his own work. Some empty rhetoric here, but I am pretty happy with how things have shaped up so far this summer. One more bridge to cross…..

    • Phil C says:

      I have to admit I am very impressed with the off-season moves, especially with Gorges, which must have been a very tough decision for management. 

      • Forum Dog says:

        I bet it was a tough decision for them, but it is good to know that they won’t put loyalty to the player before organizational need and business sense. They basically paid Eller’s next two salary years by replacing Gorges with Weaver, and simultaneously addressed the log-jam at LD.

        • on2ndthought says:

          It’s OK for prospects to work for the right to be first call-up in case of an injury. Once you get a chance, you want to make it hard to send you back down.

          “a cannonading drive”

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Thomas and Holland aren’t making it on any team. Those guys just aren’t NHLers. Andrighetto has a chance, he’ll get a call-up or two this year forsure.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Emelin, Bournival, De La Rose – @J_Perez22

    • krob1000 says:

      Also allows Emelin hopefully to play his natural side, signed Seakc which is the equivalent of a 1st or second rd pick who is breaking in, signed Weaver, Gilbert, Eller and Weise all to good value contracts. The acquisition of Malhotra should help ease the burden on Pleks and Eller and allow them some more pp time as the Pk should be better now.

      What is also key is MB seems to be targeting people who were raised Hab fans or have expressed a desire to play in Montreal….I think this sense of pride is key. I understand Gorges had that pasion as much as anyone as well but he is a victim of his own contract. In place of Gorges team gets Gilbert, Weaver and Emelin to natural side and room for Beaulieu/Tinordi.

      I have been thoroughly impressed with MB moves thus far. Moving Briere contract for Parenteau was great (I think Briere was misused but with MT signed again…had to move him)

      The inclusion of plenty fo vets and not allowing the kids to completely take over not only helps their devvelopment but ensures they are not paid too much too early and keeps a constant flow of affordable and high value talent in the cooker to compliment the established players. The depth model is great IMO….with the core another year older and the amount of talent the team looks solid.

      Teh middle of the rink is often the key (this includes goalies and D) so let us assess the situation

      Pricee-top 5-10 goalie in NHL
      Subban-Markov 2 top 5-20 dmen in NHL with plenty in the pipeline along with NHL depth….a solid D core.
      Pleks, Eller, DD, Chucky and De La Rose in pipeline …no top 25 superstar but strong via depth and potential for years.

      On the wings…top 5 NHL scorer in Patches, up and comer in Gallagher, established vet in Parenteau, plenty of big depth guys….

      Quite honestly the team looks better this year and looks like it should improve every year for the next few anyway….promising times ahead.

      That looks pretty good to me

      • JF says:

        What Bergevin has done since taking over as GM is pretty impressive. It’s true that many of the building blocks were in place, but getting the right mix of veterans and young players and adding the right depth players, while at the same time managing the cap and continuing to build for the future is no easy task. One bad contract can throw the whole structure of the team off balance, which is what Gorges’s contract was doing and would have continued to do without some gutsy and very astute moves by Bergevin.

        After the Subban signing, he will have only to address the question of an Assistant Coach and find someone to replace Patrice Brisebois. This latter task shouldn’t be too difficult, and as for the coaching job, someone yesterday mentioned Joel Bouchard. I like this idea. Bouchard is passionate about hockey, intelligent, extremely articulate, approachable, and has some experience.

  43. petefleet says:

    So both our backups have to go through waivers, one way or the other. I hope MB keeps Toker up waives Budaj. Nothing against Budaj, he’s been great for the Habs, but Toker is the future and may benefit from being behind Price for a few years. Trading him or waiving him doesn’t seem like a good option.

    “Being on the PP doesn’t make you an offensive threat anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.”
    Henry Ford

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

    • Kooch7800 says:

      It looks as though MB is really going towards the youth movement so there is no way that they give up Toker for nothing. BUds has one year left on his deal. He is a good back but if he is called upon to carry the team he quickly crumbles. I think Toker showed he can take control and be solid if need be. I have seen Toker play in Hamilton and he def got them more wins than that team deserved. The bulldogs have been terrible for a couple years now

      • Forum Dog says:

        Do we know for sure that Tokarski has to clear waivers in order to start the season in Hamilton? I have to think that they will want him as the #1 with the Dogs, and only call him up if Price goes down with some kind of injury. Budaj as either a #1 or back-up on a young AHL team just doesn’t seem right. Just like it doesn’t seem right to have Tokarski only getting 10-15 starts.

    • Phil C says:

      Yes, and Budaj is more likely to clear waivers due to his high salary. However if Price is not even skating yet, we may need both players to start the season.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think Price will be fine. Joey Mcdonald is decent as well.

      • Luke says:

        I don’t think that Tokarski would be claimed if placed on waivers either.

        Remember when ‘we’ worried about St-Denis and Dumont being claimed when placed on waivers?

        • Phil C says:

          You are probably right, but I wouldn’t risk it with Tokarski.

        • petefleet says:

          With his salary, his youth, and this past playoff, any team not claiming him would need to get their collective heads checked. St. Denis and dumont are a completely different scenario.

          “Being on the PP doesn’t make you an offensive threat anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.”
          Henry Ford

          “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
          Abraham Lincoln

          ***Go Habs Go***

          • Luke says:

            25 years old in September (not exactly ‘youth’), 15 total games (Playoff and Regular season) of NHL experience.

            He’s done better than most of the goalies drafted ahead of him (Yikes, what a dismal goalie draft!) , but I haven’t see much that a team passing on him would need a psychiatric evaluation.

            I actually can’t think of a team on which he’d be markedly better than either of the goalies they have. Or at least, that a non-Habs fan would say “We need Tokarski to improve!”

            At cap hit, yes, I agree, he’s probably more appealing than Budaj and that Budaj (due to age and salary) would be more likely to clear. But, I still think Tokarski clears.

            I don’t think Dumont and St-Denis are different scenarios. Both were players that had a short, decent (not exceptional) NHL stretch and quite a few on HI/O were worried they’d be claimed if placed on waivers.

        • krob1000 says:

          I think he would get claimed….his performance in the playoffs established that he can be an NHL goalie.

          • Luke says:

            Perhaps. I hope so, that’d be a nice bonus.

            But I think Dustin’s playoff performance established his NHL value about as much as Bourque’s playoffs established him as a 38 goal scorer.

            (Which would also be nice bonus, but I have doubts).

            Maybe I’m just being pragmatic. I’ve become more of a ‘Show me what you are’ kind of guy instead of ‘I think this is what you are’ kinda guy with my hockey players.

      • Forum Dog says:

        Watching that Kreider/Price collision again, I can’t help but wish that Emelin had just taken the body instead of going for the puck….

    • Forum Dog says:

      Quick comment on this:

      I don’t think Tokarski has to clear waivers if he is sent to the AHL straight out of training camp. I can’t find any definitive source (without wading through the CBA), but it looks like this sums it up.

      http://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-waiver-rules/

      Basically, as long as a player is assigned to the minors 12 days before the start of the regular season, they don’t have to clear waivers.

      • Luke says:

        Those rules are (sorry, that article is) from 2011. They may have changed with the new CBA.

        • Forum Dog says:

          Good catch. Here is a more recent link from the same site, though I’m not sure it clarifies things any further.

          http://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-waiver-wire-primer/

          Seems like the waiver period still begins 12 days before the regular season, so presumably they would be able to send guys to the minors from training camp without having to clear them….

          • Luke says:

            Oh, cool, a waiver calculator on capgeek! Results:

            http://capgeek.com/waiver-calculator/?player_id=924&nineteen_games=&NHL_games=15&Calculate=

            DUSTIN TOKARSKI IS NOT EXEMPT FROM WAIVERS.

            The following chart shows the number of years (not including 2014-15) or games he had to play to lose his exemption and highlights in red the totals that equal or exceed them.
            This result is based on the data you entered: Player appeared in 0 NHL regular season and playoff games at age 19; and player has appeared in 15 career NHL regular season and playoff games games. If this information was entered incorrectly, the calculator will generate an incorrect result.

            YEARS GAMES
            EXEMPT UNTIL 5 73
            TO DATE 6 15
            NOTES: Dustin Tokarski’s signing age for the purposes of waivers is recorded in our database as 19 while the first season of his first NHL contract is recorded as 2008-09. We have also determined that he was eligible for a reduction in the number of NHL games played required for waiver eligibility (as noted in Exhibit 16, Transition Rules, of the CBA) by virtue of his contract and playing status during the 2012-13 lockout-shortened season. If you believe an error has occurred in the calculation, contact admin@capgeek.com via email or let us know via Twitter.

          • Forum Dog says:

            @Luke – Yeah, I saw that tool as well and it is pretty good.

            I don’t dispute that Tokarski would have to clear waivers if he was sent down (or called up) during the regular season. My question is whether he would have to clear waivers if he is sent to the Dogs straight out of camp. And I don’t think he does since the waiver period wouldn’t have come into effect.

          • Forum Dog says:

            Further to my last post, a player like Tokarski could be called up during the regular season and not have to clear waivers if it were an “emergency recall” (i.e. if Price or Budaj went down to injury).

  44. habs001 says:

    Habs last cup 1993…If this site existed after their cup win and someone wrote no cup for the Habs in the next 20 years they would have been called an idiot…In todays NHL expectations cannot be much higher than winning the cup every 20 years and that is high…In North America the goal of the major sport leagues is that at least fans of 20 teams at the beginning of the season think their team can win the championship and the remaining teams fans think their team can win it in 2-4 years…Parity is the world we are in..European soccer has different philosophy…In most of the major leagues it is the usual suspects that compete for the championship most of the time..In La Liga for example Real Madrid or Barcelona have won the championship 25 times in the last 30 years…

    • Luke says:

      They may have been called an idiot… but there also would have been the folks writing at the deadline about how everyone hates Demers and he should be fired. That the team was going nowhere and that Damphousse was a soft floater and should have been traded for a shot at drafting Brett Lindros…

    • Cal says:

      No one could have possibly foreseen how much of a dolt Ronald Corey was when he was in charge of the Habs. He single-handedly set the Habs back 15 years. Since the Gainey hiring, the Habs have slowly crawled back to respectability as a franchise. Right now, MB is benefiting from the 2 previous GMs’ smart draft picks and trades and is building upon them.
      This will mean good times for Hab fans with the occasional bump in the road. Habs can win it all in the next 5 seasons.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agree Cal. CJ and I had a great discussion on Wed. About how the Habs will in a few short years be a Very Tough team to play against. Marc is balancing out our system with kids that will be big,tough,able to enforce and most importantly trained in Habs Hockey. There will be no more beat downs. Saludos!

  45. CranbrookEd says:

    Carey says: ““I’m doing OK now. I won’t be skating again until the middle to August so that will be the true test. Right now it feels pretty good.”

    Just to be the average contrary HIO user, I wish he had said “I’m doing GREAT now.” . . . :)

    Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/07/23/3075979/carey-price-former-ams-star-had.html?sp=/99/995/#storylink=cpy

    Happy last Friday in July!

    CranbrookEd
    Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . .

  46. crane says:

    crane

    July 25, 2014 at 8:28 am

    Cant be any worse than the Briere deal, and we survived that for a year. AGE 26- great
    Height 6′ 2″- great
    shot right – great
    first round draft pick- great
    top scorer in Swiss league last season-great
    million dollar gamble no problem

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Good to see some news on Brady Vail, but this is a very poorly written article. I found it yesterday when Phil C mentioned he was getting a tryout with the ‘Canes.

      It starts right in the headline, where it states that he was “cut by the Canadiens”. He didn’t get signed, so he didn’t get cut. Getting cut refers to someone not making a roster, getting sent down, etc. For example, last year at training camp he was one of the early cuts sent back down to junior, before even getting to play a pre-season game.

      It also refers to how he increased his points total every season, but that shows a poor understanding of a junior player’s expected progression. It’s a given that a junior player gets more points as he matures and plays against relatively younger competition.

      I guess what I’m saying is that Canadiens bloggers can beat Hurricanes bloggers’ butts.

      ———————————————————————–
      It’s somewhere between a toothless attack and a vicious homage.–Paul Rudd

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        And the article starts with a falsehood:

        ” There are a lot of players with interesting stories entering Carolina Hurricanes Prospect Development Camp, and Brady Vail is no exception.”

        —–
        Moving. Forward.

      • Luke says:

        I thought that 6’1″ and 198 pounds being considered a ‘big’ player was interesting…

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Yes. I kind of went along on that one, but the blurb about imposing his will was pushing it way too far. At that point, I began to think that the author was a young eager beaver flexing his clichés.

  47. habs001 says:

    With limited spots making the NHL is not easy…But if you are able to make it the payoff can be very rewarding…If you are a forward and you are able to establish yourself as a 25-35 point scorer you are looking at 3.5m+ plus a year..50 point players 5m+ a year and 70 point players 7m+…Plus you dont have to show it over a prolonged time…PK after 4 years will get 8-9m…Now with a D player you may be able to project their future better than a forward…I think this is why we will see many bad contracts for forwards who have an impressive first 4 years ..get big $$$ and long term but their production goes down to what should be a much lower pay level than they are getting…

  48. Maritime Ronn says:

    Re the Eller contract.

    While the actual Cap Hit is $3.5M for 4 years, the Salary structure is interesting:

    These numbers are being reported by Cap Geek:
    Year 1: $2.5M (including a $500K signing bonus)
    Year 2: $2.5M
    Year 3: $4.25M
    Year 4: $4.75M

    Not quite sure what this structure means, yet does it have anything to do with cash flow.

    According to Forbes (November 2013), the Habs are the 3rd highest valued franchise in the NHL, yet their debt to value is at 37%.

    The study also shows the Habs had Revenues of $127M, yet Earnings of only $29M before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.

    http://www.forbes.com/teams/montreal-canadiens/

    There is little doubt from here that the Meehan negotiated Subban contract will be looking at high front loaded salary.
    That has been the Newport Agency trademark with their clients over the years.

    To further complicate matters, most expenses (players salaries-travel) are in USD and most revenues are in CAN D…And the Canadian Dollar has dropped from .97 to .93 from last November and as low as .89 last March/April.

    The new TV deal will help, yet the Cap also rose by $7M.
    Some may point to playoff revenue, yet 50% of playoff gate receipts go back to the NHL.

  49. Ian Cobb says:

    Good morning boys and girls.

    So Tokarski has to make the Hab’s roster, or he has to clear waivers to play for Hamilton, is that correct ?? So Budaj (spell) has to clear waivers as well if Tokarski stays.??

    That was put to me by a couple of our HIO members that got together the other day in Kingston.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Good morning Ian,

      Yes, I believe you are correct. That is why with all the talk about Winnipeg needing a better goaltender, I was hoping they would trade Tokarski to them.

      Habfan17

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Ian

      Say for example Tokarski is the choice, and the Habs can’t find a trading partner for Budaj because of his Salary and Cap Hit of $1.4M – considered VERY high for a back-up.

      There could be a chance of a trade if the Habs are willing to retain some Salary/Cap Hit – up to 50%, according to the 2013 CBA

      If no Budaj trade is possible and he clears waivers, the Habs will still have to pay his $1.4M salary in Hamilton, and still be stuck with a minor Cap hit of $425K because of the no buried contracts/Wade Redden Rule.

      Unfortunately, there is no Buyout option as that can only happen between June15-30th.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Morning Ian! Just wanted to check in and make sure you got my money order.

  50. Cal says:

    I had a gander at LSN, um, TSN for the article on Eller’s signing. There are over 24 pages of comments there for a Habs signing. I read quite a few of them to get a decent-sized sample. It turns out that many of them are delusional. Good thing it’s not so bad here at HIO, eh?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      …and 3 videos of Stamkos and how some wishin and hopin in 2016
      :-)

      Then again, how many stories can they do about a 28 year old analytics AGM./…or Captain Pylon’s $49M contract.
      Howz about David Clarkson?

    • Paz says:

      So pleased for Eller. Everyone who follows the team, including Bergevin, raves about his work ethic and how valuable he is to the team.

      Some people deserve success. Coming out of Denmark and making the NHL is no easy task.

      Working your way through a terrible stretch lasting about 50 games and then emerging as a standout in the playoffs, shows amazing character.

      • Cal says:

        Definitely. 2 centers last season had long stretches where they weren’t effective, yet the Habs pulled off a 100 point season. Both centers in the playoffs worked their tails off and produced. Unfortunately, a certain highly-paid mercenary (who should have definitely been benched, imo, and with the benefit of hindsight) didn’t give a rat’s ass about winning the Cup. It was all about who his linemates were.

  51. DipsyDoodler says:

    Forget contracts, line combos, assistant coaches.

    And start freaking out.

    Price’s knee feels “pretty good”.

    Not “perfect” or “normal”.

    Pretty good.

    http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2014/07/24/habs-price-says-his-knee-feels-pretty-good/?__federated=1

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • Cal says:

      Have you noticed how there is depth insurance for all positions?
      Price’s insurance is Tokarski.
      Still, if Price’s knee isn’t up to scratch, this could be a tough season.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        You have to start wondering if all these injuries that started in the Ottawa series 2012 were just fluke, or a sign of a goaltender player and style prone to injury…and how the Kreider thing just added to the problem.
        Tokarski-Joey McDonald-Budaj cannot carry a team, and Fucale is at best 2- 3 years away if ever.

    • John Q Public says:

      What’s funny is they said he would be ready for the finals and yet is still not healed. Hmmm. No rodeo for you.

  52. petefleet says:

    So Chucky and Gally must be smiling pretty big right now. Eller was -15 and only scored 26 pts. The two youngens were better in both categories, Gally by a large margin. $4.5 per year for them is not unlikely if they both put up similar or better numbers this year.

    “Being on the PP doesn’t make you an offensive threat anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.”
    Henry Ford

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think as an average value you are probably right, as long as they accept a lower number for the first few years like Lars did. Either that or they’ll get the 2 year bridge.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The big difference between Gallagher and Galchenyuk next year when they negotiate new contracts, is that they will have yet to qualify for Arbitration Rights – somewhat similar to where PK was 2 years ago.

      The Habs will offer either 1 or 2 year Bridge contracts and if they don’t like the numbers, they don’t sign, sit out, and don’t play.
      They will have little to no power…unless an Offer Sheet pops up, and the chance of that happening is close to zero.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, but then in the playoffs he had 5 goals, 8 assists plus 6 in 17 games.

      Habfan17

  53. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Morning!

    Lets get PK
    Signed!

    Enjoy
    Your
    Day.

  54. Mavid ® says:

    75

    Weed Wacker Grandma Smurf

  55. chrskwn says:

    i think we are definitely on our way to being “bigger, faster and stronger” as per mb. i just noticed our height median this season is 6’2 and our defensive corps is adopting a better transition game with the likes of beaulieu playing on the third pairing. im looking forward to this season.

  56. PeterD says:

    MB please move Bourque, Moen and Budaj before camp so we open up a bit more space for youth.

    Both Bourque and Moen are dead weight on the LW..after MaxPac we have no consistent scoring threat on that side…therefore move those two out and give a shot to De la Rose and Sekac to take up that LW spot.

    • NoTinFoilCups says:

      MB will hang on to playoff performers. Count on it. Really, who cares about the regular season?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Bourque isn’t going anywhere.
      Moen and Budaj have contracts where the Habs would have to retain close to 50%.
      If not, then what teams want an average at best backup costing $1.4M when they have good youth at half that price.
      Budaj also showed he can’t take the heat.
      Moen at $1.8M for 2 more years? What team wants that?

    • Habfan17 says:

      Bourque as the 3rd line right wing with Eller at centre and either Sekac or Bournival on the left is a solid line. Bourque should not be on your list!

      Habfan17

  57. PeterD says:

    Congrats to Lars…a good contract and glad to see you stay with the Habs. And I’m glad to see you earnmore than Bourque who in my opinion is still a waste of sace and cap on the LW… (Bourque’s playoffs were an aberation and he will not perform like that this season).
    Well done MB…good business choice to lock in this young veteran with very good up side and well developed skills for the next 4 years…terms of this deal are very favourable for the team and player.

  58. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    This signing again highlights the question “who will our 4 centers be this coming season. And if Chucky gets his chance there, who gets moved?”

    I still think Bergevin has another card to play.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  59. Garbo says:

    I remember the last Hab to show similar “promise”… Latendresse.

    Let’s hope this turns out differently.

    ps. I like the signing.

  60. bwoar says:

    Fun fact: Jiri Sekec had as many points last year in the KHL as… Deron Quint.

    Anyone else remember him? Likely not many, but he was a #30 choice in the ’94 draft. For reasons I don’t recall, the Jets didn’t have a first rounder. The only active NHLers from that draft might be Jovocop and Jose Theodore, both UFAs. Ohlund is on the TB payroll but his career is done. Actually Daniel Alfredsson will probably play this year. Maybe Tomas Voukoun too.

    Vokoun & Theo were the only decent picks for the Habs that year.

  61. on2ndthought says:

    Mueller is Humpty Dumpty.

    “a cannonading drive”

  62. Laramy87 says:

    Very happy to see Eller singed.

    Also happy to see that Subban will be signed by next Friday. I cannot seem him going to arbitration. It gets done by next thursday at the latest. 8 and 8.5

  63. Habbergasted says:

    Very glad to see Eller get a contract prior to arbitration, gives me hope for Subban.

  64. Steven says:

    Signing Mueller on a low-cost deal would be a beautiful decision. Worst case scenario: he doesn’t work out and we move on.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Not sure they need Mueller at this point or have room for him. If Galchenyuk is staying as a left wing, then potentially there is Patches, Galchenyuk, Sekac, Bournival, Prust and Moen on the left side. DD, Pleks, Eller and Malhotra at centre, and Parenteau, Gallagher, Bourque and Weise on the left. Where would you put Muelller?

      Habfan17

    • crane says:

      Cant be any worse than the Briere deal, and we survived that for a year AGE 26- great
      Height 6′ 2″- great
      shot right – great
      first round draft pick- great
      top scorer in Swiss league last season-great
      million dollar gamble no problem

  65. WVHabsfan says:

    I agree regarding Peter Mueller.

  66. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    Chris-me-boy: don’t know if you’re around, but I watched today’s stage of the Tour, and Nibali REALLY impressed me. Talk about winning the Tour with panache! Of course, it would have been a much different race had El Matador Contador and Vroom Froome still been in it (and had Quintana chosen to do the Tour). But if Nibali comes back to defend next year in that kind of form, it should be an epic battle. This year, he has no competition.

    Still, that was an impressive performance today.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • Marc10 says:

      More importantly, how was the French countryside? Mezmeringly beautiful or just plain stunning?

      Sad Tour for me. They overcooked it with the cobble stones and we were denied an epic fight. Still, Nibali has arrived, eh.

      • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

        Those shots of the valley between Tourmalet and Hautacam were absolutely stunning. And such a gorgeous day too.

        But so sad that we didn’t get to see the battle that could’ve been.

        I remember Dec. 31, 1975

        • Marc10 says:

          It’s got to be the most physically demanding event on the sports calendar. Probably explains why there isn’t one guy on there that isn’t all over some kind of blood oxygen enhancer…

          And the best ad for a country I’ve ever seen. Just wow!

          • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

            Not sure how many are blood-doping anymore. The blood passport has cleaned up a lot of that. At least, one hopes.
            Mind you, football, baseball, soccer, tennis, and likely hockey players all indulge in HGH and steroids, yet there isn’t the hew and cry the way there is when a cyclist is caught. There is a willful ignorance when it comes to other sports.

            I remember Dec. 31, 1975

          • Chris says:

            I agree that the blood passport has cleaned things up. I think the evidence of a cleaner sport is how the last five Tour de France’s (including this year’s) will have been won by first-time winners.

            The days of winning the Tour 4-5 times in a row are probably over. With the drug testing as fierce as it is becoming and some actual teeth in the punishment, it is getting harder and harder to get away with cheating.

            And I agree whole-heartedly about the hypocrisy surrounding doping in cycling. They are probably the most tested athletes in the world now. They test for everything…you had guys like Rui Costa riding with pneumonia in this Tour, probably because the chest infection he has been riding with all Tour could not be treated with the usual drugs due to WADA rules.

            Hockey players aren’t even tested for the drug that they are most likely to abuse, HGH. The doping controls in the NHL are simply a joke.

            Operacion Puerto, the high-profle blood-doping bust, has obviously implicated a number of top cyclists, and we heard all of their names. In the early days, it was released that many top soccer and tennis stars in Europe were also implicated, but we haven’t heard a peep about any of that.

      • Chris says:

        The cobbles didn’t really deny anything, and I think they added a lot of excitement to that first week. Froome crashed out before he ever got on the cobbles. He crashed the day before and was riding with a bad wrist, and then crashed two more times on the slick roads. We now know he has a broken wrist.

        I’d like to see a cobbles stage every Tour. If guys really want to win the Tour, it is nice to see that they be true all-arounders, not just climbing specialists. I also would have liked to see a team time-trial in the first week, as that puts some emphasis on building a strong team.

    • Chris says:

      Nibali has just been dominant…I don’t think the presence of Contador (who was not really on top of his game before the injury) and Froome (who was very much NOT in form this season, partially because of the demands on a defending Tour winner) would have mattered. Contador’s team might have given him some more strength than he was showing on his own, but Froome’s Sky team was not particularly strong this season.

      Quintana is the one guy that might have made a difference, but they are putting him on the same progression chart as Nibali: win the Giro and Vuelta, and then go for the Tour.

  67. doug19 says:

    I like Eller he was great in the playoffs. He is a stronger skater with much more upside.

  68. crane says:

    Why not throw a million at Pete Mueller, 6′ 2″ right wing I think.Health free last two seasons,led the Swiss LEAGUE in points last season,not a big gamble.
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  69. habstrinifan says:

    MB’S statement:
    “He is an important part of our group of young veterans. He has a tremendous work ethic and a great attitude. He is the type of player you can rely on for his play at both ends of the rink. Lars can play big minutes against the opponents’ top players and still be an offensive threat. We are confident he will reach his full potential and become an impact player who will compete at a high level for many years to come.”

    Definitely a different view than what was trending in HIO over the past day or so. Thank God!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  70. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    I’m hearing rumours the hang up with PK is he wants an assurance Therrien will be kept for the full 8 years of the term.


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