There are no Sidney Crosby available in the 2012 junior crop, no players guaranteed to become superstars.
But there are promising prospects; and the Canadiens, picking third overall, should be able to grab a very-good-with-gusts-to-great player.
Pat Hickey has been assesing the top prospects in The Gazette this week.
Here are Pat’s takes on:
• Consensus top prospect Nail Yakupov, who probably won’t be there at 3.
• Ryan Murray, the top defence prospect … and a longshot to be picked by the Canadiens, even if he’s available. General manager Marc Bergevin says he’ll draft the best player available, but the Canadiens have gone D for two straight drafts, with Jarred Tinordi and Nathan Beaulieu.
• Filip Forsberg, widely touted as the safest pick in the draft … but not the most spectacular.
At HIO, we’ve been touting the virtues of Alex Galchenyuk, whom we see as the Canadiens’ chance to hit a home run with the third pick.
TSN, which will telecast the first round of the draft live from Pittsburgh, beginning at 7 p.m. on Friday, has Forsberg third in its final rankings.
Bob McKenzie, who knows his stuff, describes Forsberg as “a big strong guy with a tremendous shot, a love of phsyical play and capable of playing the hard, pro-style grinding game.”
That’s great, but the Canadiens need the next Anze Kopitar, not an upgrade on Travis Moen.
Their perennial quest for a big centre could motivate the Canadiens to draft Mikhail Grigorenko, who certainly will be available at 3 because the Quebec Remparts star has sunk like a stone on many draft boards.
The kid is huge and highly-skilled. But there are concerns about Grigorenko’s compete level and the possibility he’ll end up at home, playing in the KHL.
The last great Russian playing for Patrick Roy in Quebec City was Alexander Radulov. ‘Nuff said.
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Bergevin should trade Weber, Diaz, Palushaj, Staubitz, Geoffrion, Kaberle, Gomez, Bourque and Bujai to Edmonton for the 1st pick overall.
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I predict that if Nash goes anywhere this summer, it will happen this weekend, and it will be the Rangers who win the race over the Sharks:
to NYR:
Rick Nash, David Savard, 2nd rd 2012, 5th rd 2013
to CMB:
Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, Dylan McIlrath, 1st rd 2012, conditional pick 2013 (3rd rd if CMB misses playoffs, 4th rd if they make playoffs)
Rangers take on 8.7mil in salary, Jackets take on 7.3mil
Decent return for CMB: two roster-ready forwards in their mid-20s, a stay-at-home D prospect, moving up three picks in the draft, and a 3rd/4th round pick for next year….sound about right?
You can say what you want about Button and McGuire but their mock draft is just more proof that Grigorenko is no longer in the running for Montreal.
The Habs’ first round pick will be Murray, Forsberg or Galchenyuk.
It will be interesting to see how far he falls in the draft Steve. Someone could be ending up with a heck of a pick in the mid to late first round. Amazing how this happens, where a perenniel high pick for the whole year suddenly drops like a stone.
Fowler, Cherepanov, Esposito, Couturier, etc
Beaulieu …
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Quite a trade McGuire was proposing – Edmonton’s first pick overall for Montreal’s third pick overall & PK Subban to move up 2 spots – Obiviosly Edmonton would probably do it but if MarcB did it he should be fired. Subban & third rounder for first overall maybe way too much to move up only two spots. And to think PM could have been Montreal’s GM but luckily he is not……..
Very lucky he is not.
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Agreed, it will be one of those three, my preference is Forsberg but I love Galchenyuk’s attitude and desire, the only thing that concerns me is the major knee surgery at an early age. Don’t want another Markov situation, maybe I am over thinking this.
I have been researching Filip Forsberg, and he seems like a decent prospect. I really want Galchenyuk, but he will most certainly be gone at 3. Forsberg will probably play 1 more year over in Sweden, which will hide him from the Montreal media and let him develop. Most mock drafts/scouting reports have him in the top 5 all year. Come on Friday night, I can’t take this anymore.
if you want a good laugh. this is the site to go on. MB and the boys will do the right thing they’re not stupid all ex NHL pro’s….
Official NHL Draft Combine Heights and Weights. Note there is no other info here other than the straight stats, but if you want the official stats, these are them.
http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/19/nhl-draft-combine-2012-official-heights-and-weights/
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Thanks Ben, you did that pretty quick. Appreciated.
Thanks!
Would Carolina, or Tampa give up a top ten pick for Josh Gorges?
*Sean BonJovi’s Draft List = 1. Yakupov 2. Grigorenko 3. Galchenyuk*
I doubt it. But not as much as I doubt that the Habs would trade Gorges. He’s our captain in-waiting.
For all you on here suggesting to trade PK Subban F$%# Off! Trading PK would set this team back 10 years. MB will take a big center with the 3rd pick and try ti get rid of Gomez.
I believe most everyone is criticizing the idea of trading PK. Not sure anyone on this site needs to be told to F$%#Off! Just sayin’
Gerry, I tried to google translate F$%#Off! in German.
Not available.
D’oh!
I don’t know about listening skills on this site.
To clarify the nonsense about PM’s trade recommendation that everyone is spouting, PM was asked what would you do if you were Edmonton. It was then that PM said that he’d call Montreal and offer to switch picks for Subban. He was speaking from the Edmonton perspective. He did not say that Montreal should do it. The video is on the TSN site right now. Go check out the last minute if you don’t believe me.
Criticize the man for what he says, not what you think he must have said.
It doesn’t matter how his presented the idea. He wouldn’t suggest that the Oilers offer the #1 pick to the Kings in exchange for Doughty, Kopitar, and Quick, because that would be ridiculous. That he’d say what he said implies that he believes his trade proposal is worth consideration.
*Sean BonJovi’s Draft List = 1. Yakupov 2. Grigorenko 3. Galchenyuk*
Exactly.
The trade is preposterous. Subban for their #1 would be a more even trade. But Subban and Galchenyuk (say) for Yakupov?
He might as well have said “If I was the Oilers’ GM I’d get all my players to wear 3D glasses during the games”, or something like that.
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
I wrote to clarify. There are all sorts of references below implying PM suggested that the Habs should trade up using PK. In point of fact he didn’t. Whatever interpretation people wish to add beyond that fact is up to them.
As the man said ..exactly!
And I thought Wilde was a PM supporter…
BWildeCTV via twitter- When he says that Tambellini should phone Bergevin for Pk and 3rd overall for 1st overall, does he mean then MB should giggle and hang up?
Awesome rejoinder from Wilde.
Re : comments on what McGuire did / did not say about PK to EDM :
It would be great to see Yakupov or / or Galchenyuk and Murray in Habs jerseys on draft day. If this could be achieved by sending one of our D-Men and a mid-tier roster player to Edmonton, then so be it.
This would have Montréal picking 1st and 3rd overall. The only logistic I would want in place is Habs getting Price locked in before pulling the trigger if / if PK were the D-Man involved.
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3rd pick overall and Subban for Edmonton’s first pick overall?
- What is Pierre McGuire smoking?
That’s Steve Tambellini’s wet dream.
I agree with everyone re: McGuire and the obscenity of mentioning “Subban+3rd overall pick” and “trade for 1st overall” together.
I feel like the Habs dodged a bullet to the head by not selecting McGuire as GM…
Montreal has options to move, exchange or trade draft picks…..for #1 with Edmonton the pick is the consensus #1 pick Yakupov..the player designated in the exchange wood be PK Subban in exchange for #1 plus prospect(s) recent draftees…. Paajarvi #1 as Montreal would need a speedy left winger for Tomas Plekanec/Gionta line …
or instead Linus Omark or both…
I don’t think Montreal would go there as the first choice they bwould have to make to lose Subban would be Yakupov who has brilliant skills but but but and targeted under NHL allowing to much hampering of movement which hurts all but big players as the Jagr/Kovalev/ even Selanne..all plus 6 feet….and stick-handling-shot skills….
no matter…Montreal would want a big center if they cannot get Yakupov and want to pay a lesser price…
they could trade to Columbus but what to gain?…
Best Habs deal if any is to attempt to get the Islanders pick…worth a Yannick Webber, Marc Streit said he would love & Habs add a #2 draft pick to the Islanders hopefully not the Habs early round two…this could give either Galchenyuk & Mikhail Grigorenko or one of the two and a top rate defenseman as Griffin Reinhart or Murray if left…there are a few other potential greats in this including Malcolm Subban, but that is somehat on the edge though not completely out of line…
I am very often right in my picks having followed the Canadiens since 1952 when they first appeared on TV…I finished the year before last on Habs Fantasy hockey season game picks regular season and playoffs …I’m 68 years old…finishing #3 overall….there over 12,000 regular participants picking game by game predictions on player performances..Later I was very upset that the Habs management at the end of that season got rid of many of their top performers on those charts and then no surprise to me …the team finished last….it now sounds as there is a so much smarter bunch there this time around…..
hope the team gets a another top ranked be it Yakupov or Grigorenko…and do not count out Jagr ( I love Kovalev too but maybe if he just does it for way reduced fees..lovely to watch when he wants and maybe ready to go in a blaze of glory…
Habs win the cup???
Only great hockey knowledge and talk and ownership allowing some real ability to spend up to the cap will do it..
Hope this sparks some further thoughts from those who know the Habs players their skills and how they get along with their teammates
Hairy Harry
Thankful that Mcguire ain’t our GM! Whew
Big time thankful.
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Worth reposting cause it actually is the best and most plausible rumour tonight and shows that MB/Dudley/Timmins/Mellanby are on the ball…. I think.
ont fan posts:
June 19, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Steve Simmons says if Galchenyuk is gone the Habs trade down if there is a deal to be had.
Generally I give Simmons very little crediblity, but lets assume Timmins and MB have indeed targeted Galchenyuk as the guy they absolutely want and feel the next few picks are a wash. Is this a scenario where perhaps the Dudley factor could be in play. Perhaps MB managed to mind meld with Dudley and found out Burke really wants Forsberg and is willing to give up something (Schenn?) to go from 5 to 3 in order to get his man.
From Timmin’s interviews, sounds like he has done his research on Forsberg or Murray as alternates.
So when will Football/Soccer (roundball) get out of the dark ages and use instant replay on goals? Granted the Ukranian player was offside on the initial pass, but that call was missed and subsequently the shot in the net was missed also.
Is this like fooz ball?
Hey back in the day in College I wasted some quality hours playing fooz ball.
OK so let’s clarify the McGuire thing. McGuire did not say Mtl should trade Subban plus pick for first overall. Here is what he said according to Stu:
Stu writes:
next topic concerned the Oilers: would they trade their top pick? Edmonton certainly needs defensemen and, doing a little role playing, McGuire offered that if he were running things THERE, the first call he’d make would be to Montreal to see if they’d part with P.K. Subban in exchange for that first overall pick, which most believe someone will use to select Nail Yakupov of the OHL’s Sarnia Sting.
It’s not as if Subban is actually available — most indications are that he’s not — but that’s the kind of deal McGuire thinks the Oilers might make to address their organizational need for a young, strong defenseman who would fit in with their developing club.
I thought you threw away the PM for GM buttons?
I did… just that he put the words Subban and trade in the same sentence was enough. But I was setting the records straight before we hang him.
I hear ya, however, that is Stu’s version, I didn’t hear TSN interview, so unsure of exact context. I was more relieved when I read Stu’s version of the rumour as it was more Pipe Dream on the part of Edmonton.
The point though is still that McGuire’s offer is completely ridiculous and unrealistic.
Why not suggest that the Habs should trade #3 overall straight up to the Oilers for RNH, cause this would solve the Habs need for a centre and then the Oilers could have Galchenyuk and Yakupov?
Because its an unrealistic deal that would never be accepted unless the GM lost his mind…. even talking from the Edmonton side, making an offer that NHL ’12 would laugh at just shows his assessment of NHL player value is way, way off.
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I don’t dispute anything you say there Commandant. I just have used up most of my ink blotter on Pierre MacGuire back in the runup to the GM being hired.
He is loyal, you have got to give him that.
Now that sounds more sane. Not as fun for the McGuire haters though. That doesn’t cgange the fact we are happy he’s not our GM, right habtrin?
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AS for BErgevin looking tired I think he is just tired of people trying to slither inside information from him. Like seriously does he really have to tell the world that he wants a forward and that their goal is to get a sting outta sarnia.
I wonder how long he’s going to be open to the media, seems like he’s already getting sick of it. I think PG didn’t like talking to the media cause he was sick of stupid and obvious questions, or questions that you know he wouldn’t respond…
Would people be interested in a post that has nothing but heights and weights for all the players?
The actual NHL Combine heights and weights?
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I would. That could be interesting to see! Not sure if you’re being serious or sarcastic but it would be cool nonetheless.
Dead Serious, i have the info, but its gonna take time to put it into a format that is easy to look at.
I just won’t bother if no one cares.
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Not if it interferes with your production of prospects reports.
I would too.
Would be another interesting comparison point. Post it up!
I am still in shock that MR Peanut could even mention that the OIlers should be looking for SUbban and the 3rd pick for thier first. What a slap in teh face to the habs and the skillset of PK. TO think some here wanted this bum to be our GM and we all know who those many many posters were.
FOr those of you who still think peanut should be our GM I prescribe to you many many pills. The yellow pills plus the blue pills and especially those really chunky purple pills.
Even Stu is on the PK rumour
You’re scaring me. They won’t trade PK would they? Makes no sense. A young d man with his skill set. Plus the 3 pick wont have a big dropoff from Nail.
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It would have to be something bigger than Nail, I believe, to get PK, Jim.
All the crying over McDonagh would pale in comparison, if we lose PK for nothing.
By the way, how does it feel to turn 39?
Why thank you young lady but you are off a few years.
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And look at who he said started it…old cue ball himself.
Stupid peanut man
Elmer Fudd
I am starting to think that Eklund is McGuires alter ego.
Duck Burly, quick!!!!!!
Actually spotted a potential poster today on here. We know he has to read HIO and I have a standing offer of $50 to whoever “outs” Eklund amongst us.
If indeed Bobby Ryan is in play again, I can see Brian Burke giving up his 5th overall pick and something off his roster to get him.
I agree which is why we gotta get in on it.
Trading for draft picks wont help Anahein to make the playoffs next season.
Another poster’s view of potential pickings past the 1st round;
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/6/19/3096333/draft-look-ahead-part-3-of-3-suggested-habs-selections-rounds-2-7
Boone will be pissed!!
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1240866&l=feb960d0a3&id=197547840289502
Kovy could have easily tug her in a little closer, I guess he didn’t want to hirt Boone’s feeling…. a Russian gentleman he is.
That TSN Mock Draft is waaay out there. Grigorenko falling to the Sharks at #17? Riight.
McGuire predicting Murray will go #2… I sure hope so, but look at Adam Larsson at #4 last year after McGuire “predicting” the Oilers would take him. Not good if Habs want to take Galchenyuk.
If Galchenyuk is gone do we take Forsberg? Or do we look at Grigorenko again, a player who was ranked #2 until the “experts” decided he doesn’t try, won’t come through in the playoffs, has a similar character to Radulov and will probably play in the KHL?
I would definately go for Forsberg over Grigorenko (but thats just me). If not there’s also the option of trading down a few slots and taking Teravainen who has sky rocketed in the rankings the last few months and is looking like he’ll be a good prospect. Plus trading down would also mean gettin something in return like another prospect and/or a draft pick lets say for 2013 which is lookin like an amazing crop.
I hope we get Gally… hopefully Columbus keeps up the streak of horrible drafting and goes with someone else lol
I hope we get him too. He is the Yakushev to Yakupov’s Kharlamov.
Definitely the player we most need. How long has it been since we had a powerful 200 lb. centerman with offensive gifts?
Steve Simmons says if Galchenyuk is gone the Habs trade down if there is a deal to be had.
This is the first rumour I absolutely believe in.
yup. And I’d be shocked if Teravainen didn’t go top 10…
Grigorenko is not a hot commodity among any scouts. IF we traded down to 12 or 13 we could still get him.
If the Habs signed Subban for $5mill per season over 7 years would that be a good deal?
PK would like it. Not sure if its time for such ling term for him yet. As Judge Judy would say, he’s still cooking
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I don’t know Jim. I really believe PK will be in the long run as good if not better (with a different role) than Karlsson. If indeed the Cap continues to go up, having PK wrapped up at an affordable number could be better.
Overpay a bit early and save later is my thought process.
Wilde is throwing out $5 ml for 6 years but believes PK looking for $5.5 .
I think if we had him locked up for 6 years I could live with that.
Before the Karlsson deal I posted 4 years at 4.5, now 4 years at 5 million seems right. As far as term, I’m not a big fan of the long term contracts but in Subban and Price’s cases because they are so young it might be a good idea…
If I were Subban’s agent I would reject that deal… too long to be tied to 5 mill. From Subban’s point of view I would accept 5 for 3 yrs or 4.5 for two years then do the ufa.
Subban probably has faith in himself that he would be worth least 6/per within next two yrs.
I think you are right Trin.
We can only hope;
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9832
That would calm my nerves for sure.
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What has Mikhail Grigorenko done to Button & McGuire? It must be something pretty bad. These are probably the only two guys who think he’ll slip to 17 or 20. Hell, maybe we can get him in the second round right guys?
Yah I find it interesting MacKenzie doesn’t get involved in that mock draft.
This is plain dumb. Why the hell would the Canucks draft Malcom Subban?
Jonathan Huberdeau, Erik Gudbranson, Matt Duchene, Zack Bogosian, Kyle Turris, Jonathan Toews, Jack Johnson, Cam Barker, Nathan Horton, and Jay Bouwmeester. These were the No. 3 picks from the last 10 drafts. Get excited about the talented kid that will join the Canadiens, but remember these ten when it comes to expectations.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Note how many of these guys were Panther picks. 10 years out of the playoffs will do that to you.
“May you live in interesting times.”
Optimism…Hallelujah!
Erik Karlsson at 7 years for 45.5 makes me feel a bit better about PK’s sophomore slump
Wow Begevin looked exhausted on TSN, I guess he has been working hard. Looked like he could use a vacation already lol.
his hair looked grayer too, he’s either using touch of gray or aging more quickly
stress man, its a tell tale sign
He just heard about the Karlsson deal
LOL
trini beat me to it. haha
Bergevin not ruling out a defenseman. Ya think that?
OH! OH! …. I think the cosmopolian make-up of Edmonton just went up by 1. HA HA.
MiB just looked like he was having dental work without any freezing in that interview.
Pierre McGuire just said on TSN that Subban + 3rd overall for 1st overall would be a good trade.
Thank you baby jesus that this idiot was not hired as GM.
Hey McGuirites, defend this idiot now.
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lolololol , what a joke
Totally agree, way too much to give up to move up 2 spots, will never happen ! I think.
PM is an idiot and his supporters suck …..!
I can never tell which side of the fence you are on Frank?
One of the most subtle people you will ever meet…just like a brick to the head
I came on here to make the exact same comment.
By the way has anyone seen this http://imgur.com/xxRo3 ?
add Nuge or Hall to that, and it’s a deal.
Yeah might as well throw in Price and our 1st rounder next year too…
That is a lousy trade, maybe if Edmonton also threw in their 2nd and 3rd . Then the Habs would really have to press to sign Justin Shultz to replace Subban to an extent. or go after Suter.
The gap between Yakupov and the next 3 best prospects is not great enough to make it worth it.
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Seriously?
Wow that makes me feel good about not taking him seriously as a GM candidate. I mean i have never understood the hate for McGuire and I think he is actually a decent broadcaster, but I never wanted him within 1000 yards of a management position with the Habs
“Et le but!”
Good grief. I tend to like Pierre more than most, but that’s ludicrous.
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I think everyone is hypersensitive about PM. He was talking from Edmonton’s POV, not Montreal’s.
Ok I just threw out my “McGuire for GM” buttons which I was storing in case we have to go through this again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU&feature=player_embedded
I was gonna second that but I see that I am not the only person who was aghast at the suggestion…
Galchenyuk may turn out to be better than Yakupov in the long run.
You would hope he would be a little more cautions seating in the hot seat. But if he ever does get a job as a gm I would bet he would have a high phone bill for the first few months.
How big is Teravanen. Mcguire says trade Subban and 3rd for Yak at 1st.
Teravainen 5’10.75″ 169lbs at the NHL combine.
Still 3 months from 18th birthday.
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Consider this: Gal-94, like Gallagher, has been gym ready for a few years, and is probably within 10 lbs of his NHL playing weight. Grig on the other hand, once he’s ready, will end-up around 220 – 230.
Six-four, two hundred and twenty-five w skill/reach…. gonna’ be sorry if they don’t take the plunge w this guy.
I’ll raise you one and make it 500.
If the Habs think about trading their pick, I would try to swing a deal with Columbus for Nash and they would probably have to throw in a prospect or maybe a second rounder in next years draft
ability is what you’re capable of doing.
attitude determines how you do it
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I should hope so, that is one of the most ridiculous statements I have seen on here.
If you’re referring to mine, I agree. I was making a joke having misread habbernack’s post.
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Just having fun with the “deleted”, can’t even remember what you wrote other then it seemed to be off
I know a guy, who knows a guy, who is his cousin, who says Subban will sign with the habs.Also he says Nash will sign with Carolina.
Do not want to start any rumours, just asking for opninions, it seems like all other teams are shoring up their UFAs and RFAs except for the Habs. Does anyone think Marc Bergevin is a “nickle and dimmer” type and there will be stand offs with either Price or Subban? Are we going to lose a guy like Moen over a few bucks? Or do you think Bergevin is just pacing himself? Concentrating on Draft? You would think a NHL GM should be able to multi-task and sign players while getting ready for the Draft. No?
Afraid to think the worse jols.. so gonna keep mouth shut fingers crossed LOL.
So if one looks at this list of RFA’s across the NHL, one notices all teams have a similar amount unsigned. So how is it MB is now the slowest horse in the race?
http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2011/11/08/2012-nhl-free-agents-restricted-by-team/
Uh oh just checked UFA forwards by team and Montreal has less UFA than many other teams, what the HELL is MB doing!!!!
http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2012&team_id=-1&position_id=F&fa_type_id=2
As far as I can tell Mike Green doesn’t have a contract with the Caps. IMO Mike Green has become a much better defensive player than the guy who scored a point per game before all the injuries. I’m very interested to see what happens with him.
*Sean BonJovi’s Draft List = 1. Yakupov 2. Grigorenko 3. Galchenyuk*
You worry too much.
I don’t believe Bergevin is a cheapo. He just has too much to do, as he just got here, and just assembled his staff.
But he already let Alex Henry go from the Bulldogs to the German Pro League. Clearly MB has already lost it L!!
I think he’s secretly consulting with Pierre Gauthier.
But seriously, RDS reported recently that he’s met with a bunch of player agents. Should be interesting.
How has he lost it? Teams can only have so many contracts between the NHl club and the farm team, with Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis and Pateryn moving up to the Bulldogs and Nash coming back from Injury, where was Henry going to play?
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Sorry my sarcasm font is broken.
Akira: Ah yes, the impetuousness of youth.
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He’s likely working with Dudley on trading the HIO fanbase to the Ducks for futures. Or at Reno selling dimmer switches in electrical.
RFA’s only have to be qualified (offered contract with CBA raise) by the Habs on June 26? while UFA’s have to signed by July 1st. For the RFA’s deals can be worked out later.
Thoughts on a couple topics:
1. The Phoenix situation is a joke, how dumb do you have to be to try to keep a team in a city that is trying so hard to get the team to leave. I’ve never seen anything like this, no matter what they come up with to keep the team there someone counteracts it…ummm hello!? forget the phoenix idea bettman!! Even the players suffer since their salaries are affected by the salary cap which is determined by the total revenue the NHL makes. Phoenix doesn’t make any money (it loses money), teams like that drag the whole league down.
2. I’m hoping to see Galchenyuk in a habs jersey on friday but I really doubt he will be available. I don’t see the oilers picking murray with their first overall pick. It would be smarter to trade down, get something for it and then choose a defenseman as well.
Assuming yakupov goes first (which i am almost certain will be the case) I don’t see Columbus taking a defenseman, look at their depth at the position, they are far more set on D than they are up front. The only way is if they choose Forsberg, but I’m not sold on his offensive potential.
One last note: I know with stuff such as bob mckenzie’s draft rankings show and other such people saying how the race for number one is way closer than it was before, but don’t be fooled. Every year as we get closer to the draft we get these suggestions that there could be a “surprise” at number one but guess what, as expected guys like Tavares, Hall and Nugent-Hopkins get chosen. I remember people saying Duchene or Hedman could pass Tavares, Taylor or Tyler and Adam Larsson being a good pick for the oilers. But we get to draft day and all of a sudden…steve tambellini gets up there and makes it look like he never thought twice about picking hall. Can’t help but think the media just tries to hype up a controversy.
I agree with 95% of your thoughts, media just loves to hype this stuff but it would not surprise me to see the Oilers swing a deal as they think really highly of Murray and Reinhart but Tambellini will probably not takethem with the #1 pick, I can see him squeezing something out of someone with a little lower pick and moving down. I can see the Oiler and Leafs making a deal as Burke will want to make a splash. Don’t underestimate Forsberg, one of the youngest players in the draft who was MVP at the under 18 worlds.
WOW on the Karlsson deal. 7 YRS FOR 45 MILL. High?
Anyone else would like to see a Bergevin signing or two before the draft. Subban/Price/Moen… least one of them.
Yes, I would. I’m getting a little concerned.
really? cause i know PK and Carey arent going anywhere. passing on Moen is just a bad move in my books
In the Sh*t about to hit the fan dept,
A US judge has struck down one part of the latest Glendale lease agreement. By doing so, the judge is giving citizens until roughly July 8 to gather signatures for a referendum on the lease…
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2012/06/19/sp-nhl-phoenix-coyotes-sale.html
Doesn’t this Phoenix scenario eventually have to end with a lawsuit against the NHL for not allowing Moyes to sell the team to an owner who had a contingency plan to move the team in order to allow that owner (Moyes) to recover some of his original investment? Seems to me Bettman is simply trying to avoid that.
Very good point. I was thinking that Mr. Bettman’s obstinacy was just to preserve the economic footprint and TV ratings of the league. Your observation is bang on, if after three years of propping up the franchise the team moves anyway, Jerry Moyes’ lawyers will come calling.
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Sens just signed Karlsson to a 7 year contrct. No financial details were released..
Bobby Mac says 6.5 per season.
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That sounds about right considering what the Kings gave Doughty. Makes me believe Subban will be 5 million +, still hope we sign him long term….
Karlsson has 78pts, 45 pts, 26 pts in his last 3 seasons. Plays 25 min per game.
Subban has 36 pts, 38 pts, 2 pts in his last 3 seasons. Plays 24 min per game.
I think 5 million is too high. But given Gorges is at 4 million. How can we lowball Subban.
I think 4.5 million is fair. Its hard. 1.5 million seperating a guy who has 123 points in his last 2 seasons as a defenseman and a guy who has 74 points.
Going to be tough. You want to get him long term, but I dont know if PK is a top 10 D in our league.
Is PK as good as Markov? Or at least as good as Markov has been before the inury?
He’s just coming off his entry deal and hasn’t got any arbitration rights. They don’t have to throw the kitchen sink at him just yet.
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The Ottawa Senators have agreed to terms on a seven-year, $45.5 million contract extension with defenceman Erik Karlsson.
Signing P.K. just became more difficult.
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I love PK, but Karlsson is more skilled. PK will get less.
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I don’t know, P.K. certainly has a chance to be the better all-round defenceman, if he puts it together.
It just made the discussion harder, since it gives his agent more ammo.
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As a general observation, with so many teams clamouring that they need and will look for more size, there will be a “Moneyball”-described market inefficiency in the draft, and smaller skilled players will be undervalued. This will be especially true if the GM’s extricate their heads from the colons and make changes to the rules and the way the game is refereed to open up the game, these smaller players could thrive, as they currently can’t.
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Someone writing unde rthe handle “Phenom” at Eklund’s site says family member ha stold him that Subban wants out of Mtl and that Edm and HABS are talking to accomodate Subban.
OMG say it aint so. Also under same article Luongo has met with Leafs are is house shopping in Toronto.
Dont go to sleep folks. Crazy rumour time is here.
trini, please don’t dignify that site by visiting it, or mentioning it on here.
P.K. is a lifelong Canadiens fan, and if he doesn’t like Montréal I doubt he’s asking to land in Edmonton.
As far as the Roberto Luongo, I wonder if he’s using the same real estate agent who claimed that Patrick Roy had already bought a house in Brossard and that his getting a job with the Canadiens was a done deal.
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For the love of Hossa’s gloves, not this stuff again!
Original?
I heard the same thing (a “family” source) about Gorges before he signed and looks like Gorges ain’t going nowhere. Don’t listen to randoms, listen to people like Bob Mckenzie and Darren Dreger who actually know stuff.
I can guarantee you one thing me, this team wont be soff.
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Which NHL player is the most likely candidate to get Carter&Richardsed™ this week? I’m gonna throw Josh Gorges’ name out there.
*Sean BonJovi’s Draft List = 1. Yakupov 2. Grigorenko 3. Galchenyuk*
Bobby Ryan is available as per McKenzie…. Habs should jump all over that as he is one of the most skilled scorers in the league and talent like his doesn’t just become available. I say give the 3rd pick and Leblanc if that would get it done…
No freaking way the 3rd pick or Leblanc will turn out as good as him…
not to mention his reasonable cap hit of 5.1 till 2015
Barring injury, or a long work stoppage Bobby Ryan will score approximately 200 points in the NHL between now and the time his contract expires.
*Sean BonJovi’s Draft List = 1. Yakupov 2. Grigorenko 3. Galchenyuk*
i’ll take perry instead
That would not do it, Plekanec, Holland and Weber might
Habfan17
If the Habs got Ryan, teh Gionta would have to move down to the 3rd line or be traded
Habfan17
I stand corrected, they list him as a centre left wing although he shoots right.
Habfan17
nonsense…
If you watched the World championships you would know that MaxPac and Ryan had an amazing chemistry… they were the top 2 scorers for US…
The top 2 lines would look like this:
Pacioretty – DD – Ryan
Gionta – Pleks – Cole
I hate it when I am right!
Only a week or so ago I suggested that I would knock on Anaheim’s door because of their UFA/RFA situation for this year and next year. They just plain have too many to resign.
Some scoffed at me.
Now McKenzie is saying Ryan is available.
My trade was we give up the 3rd overall pick to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan, Sheldon Brookbank, and Anaheim’s 2nd round pick.
We can add players like Weber even up to a Plekanec (providing they sweeten the deal too) to get it done.
We dont have to give up any of our key young players either. And Bobby Ryan for our 3rd pick is like hitting a jackpot with our 3rd pick, I think. Especially considering the volatility and uncertainty in the rankings.
I love this trade.
I think it’s DOABLE!
What does Columbus have to do with any of it?
Sorry I corrected it.. I had Columbus on my mind. But you can see my post from few days ago to assur eyourself that I had indeed put this forward a a trade.
The Ducks have a well documented need for top pairing defensemen, so the negotiation would start with Subban and go from there. Why else would they dangle a player like Ryan? Seeing that the Habs also need a defenseman, this trade would not make sense for the Habs, they simply do not have the assets to trade their way out of this mess.
Remember I am starting with the ‘financial’ problem in their future with all the UFA’S.
Anaheim’s prospect pool is top heavy with offensive talent so may be why they may be ok dealing Ryan.
With two top six picks Murray and Reinhart and Dumba will be in their sights.
And McKenzie is already reporting that Ryan is available ‘again’. I say MB goes knocking.
Here is a trade that makes sense, Plekanec, Kaberle, Weber and Pulashaj for Kane and Winnipegs 2nd round pick.
Montreal would have a 2nd line centre and could push Bourque to the 3rd line to add grit and scoring and Moen to the 4th line. The left wing position would be solid top to bottom. With DD, Eller, potentially Grigorenko or Galchenyuk on the 3rd line and White on the 4th until they find an upgrade either from the prospects or UFA signing. The right side would have Cole, Gionta, Gallagher and either Blunden or Quailer. Staubitz would be the extra to rotate in when needed. Unless he can play centre, then I would take him over White.
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Winnipeg doesn’t need offensive defencemen.
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Why do so many here think that other teams will trade for our sh!t?
(I refer here to Kaberle, Weber and Pulashaj, NOT Pleks)
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That was my exact thought. Who wouldn’t want to give up one of their best players for a decent centre and a pile of hot garbage?
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Harding gets 5.7M for three years in Minnesota. That just leaves three teams without starting goalies for next season – NJ (Brodeur?), Columbus and Toronto.
Darren Helm gets 8.5M over four years.
Selanne decides to return for one more year with Anaheim (no terms announced)
Button and McGuire do a mock draft on TSN tonight. Button has been all over the map throughout the year and will now probably follow Bob McKenzie’s lead when selecting this evening. I can’t wee why this guy holds down a job.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=398718
“I can’t wee why this guy holds down a job.”
Best Freudian slip of the day…
i don’t know why everyone thinks that moens gonna sign for so low, but he basically had a better year than bourque and AK last year, hes gonna make 3 mil, and he’s not gonna make that much to sit on the fourth line in any sort of fantasy world that all of you people have.
His injury might lower it, I’m thinking 2 millions would be good.
i think he’s still gonna end up making fair coin, and id be happy to have him on our third line, i don’t know why anyone thinks that a 10-15 goal scorer isnt good enough for the third line.
I agree that those who have Moen pencilled in for $1.5M on the 4th line are dreaming. $3M might be a little high, especially if he is looking for term, but I think he will get looks from teams trying to fill a 3rd line winger/1st or 2nd unit PK forward with “grit” some offensive upside (as shown in the firt half of this season) and Cup experience.
Anyone know what his physical condition is? I assumed that he might have been close to returning by season’s end but there was no point in the risk
“Et le but!”
Since other folks re doing this and I’m a sucker for playing GM…
Let me just say that I’m not crazy about this lineup, and it’s not going to win the Cup. But I do think it’s a realistic lineup and probably playoff-worthy, with $2.6M left over. Would be more than that if we can find someone to take Gomez off our hands.
Yes, Penner had a terrible year and is probably overpaid here. But we need goals, so unless we land Parise or Doan, there aren’t many other UFA scorers available, and that’s what it’ll likely cost to get him to a city where 51% of your salary’s sucked off in taxes. He’s a big gamble, and could be either another Bourque or another Pacioretty.
Yes, Whitney’s 40 years old. He also scored 24 goals last year would likely take a reasonable cap hit for a two- or three-year term. If Recchi can do it, so can he. We desperately need secondary scoring on our third line, and Bourque-Eller-Whitney will add some pop.
No, the D isn’t vastly improved. Since we’re not going to contend this year, I’m inclined to just fill the gap with Allen or someone similar (Salvador?) until one of the kids is ready to come up and play.
So here goes…
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Dustin Penner ($4.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / Ray Whitney ($2.750m)
Travis Moen ($1.700m) / Jay McClement ($2.000m) / Ryan White ($0.750m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.800m) / Brad Staubitz ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($1.500m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
P.K. Subban ($3.000m) / Bryan Allen ($3.500m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.200m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
BUYOUTS
Scott Gomez ($3.524m)
Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
Plekanec, Pacioretty, Gionta top line.
Cole DD Bourque 2nd
Eller, Gomez, Moen 3rd
No UFA top 9 fwd.
Yes, I am hoping they take a pass on this years crop of UFA “stars” and just sign what we need to fill the bottom of the roster.
That may well play out, but only trouble is that there’s no scoring on the bottom two lines, and I just don’t see Bourque as a top-six guy — at least unless he proves himself again. Penner and Whitney are reasonably cap-friendly insurance policies that are a little more attainable than Doan and Parise.
Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
There are no guarantees in drafts and there is no consistent choice for the #3 spot – so one thing that I GUARANTEE is that this site will be lit up like a Christmas tree with pissed off HIO members about who the Habs pick.
I mean, why else would they be a member? To support and cheer? Noooo! It’s to bitch and complain.
Need I remind everyone how all the experts described Benoit Pouliot in the 4 spot and how incensed the fans were when we didn’t get him and got Price instead.
Just chill folks. Whoever they pick won’t have an impact on the team for the next 2 years anyway.
Next years draft will have some studs – I’d like to be back in this position again. Isn’t it fun?
I mean, Vancouver played 4 more games than us… fine by me.
Tre
Food for thought, if the new CBA has an amnesty clause, who besides the Habs dropping Gomez would be dropped? Vinnie? Is there someone out there with value but likely to be dropped because of contract terms that the Habs would then be able to sign for a lot less since the player will already be getting a windfall?
Dipietro comes to mind as a possible buyout.
Yup, good call.
Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
Until this year I would have said Brian Campbell. Redden?
Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
Dipietro and Komisarek are probably the first two. Rangers could even opt to get rid of Redden(whether he’s with the Rangers or not doesn’t really change much I guess).
Maybe even Luongo, who knows(but that wouldn’t be smart, considering they could easily trade that guy)
Bob McKenzie just tweeted bobby ryan now available from ANA. Two things:
1) how long til Eklund says he had “hundreds of calls and texts” on this (3…2…1..) and
2) any takers on HIO? I like ryan but likely expensive
I’d talk about it for sure, but this would probably cost us, say, Plekanec, Tinordi and a pick/prospect — mighty steep… Better to grow your own. : )
Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
What a spring ! first Molson purged the CH of the two headed monster that has kepted our franchise from making progression since 2003, the ineptitude, the autocracy and the muted sorry faces of the gainey/gauthier era is now over and a thing of the past….. but why stop celebrating here ? Galchenyuk or Grikorenko are nice size center prospects for our futur….. either one would fitt the bill.
Habs lineup in 3 years
MaxPac Galchenyuk Gallagher
??? Eller Kristo
Bournival DD Leblanc
Conboy Nattinen Schultz
Holland – Geoffrion
Tinordi Subban
Beaulieu Gorges
Emelin Ellis
Pateryn
Price
UFA
trade or pick up a second line left winger with Plekanec
lets build with our draft choices
Imagine if we still had McD
I think Ryan White will be there and I also think Gabriel Dumont will be there, may be on the forth line?
I appreciate your optimism but there are a lot of guys on your list who may never become regualars in the NHL.
Gallagher, ???, Bournival, Conboy, Nattinen, Schultz, Holland, Geoffrion, Ellis and Pateryn.
I’ll be happy if three guys from the list I just mentioned make the Habs full time.
I think Quailer will be on the team then
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Re: Euro 2012
Let me see if I understand this: If Spain fails to win Euro 2012, then they won’t be EUROPEAN champions, but will still considered to be defending WORLD champions.
Perfectly understandable.
With convoluted logic like that, I’m beginning to see why so many European countries are in such dire financial straits.
Not any dumber than the “World Series” when no one plays baseball except the U.S., Japan and Cuba.
Not any dumber than “Miss Universe” when some babe from Uranus might have bigger anti-gravitational devices than Miss Nebraska but never gets to compete…
Why is this a topic on HIO?
No hockey news
Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Venezuela….
This happens in every federation. They all have tournaments, Euro Cup just gets the most attention because they have a deep group of competitive countries in UEFA.
There have been times where Brazil was world champion and Argentina South American Champion too… or vice versa, or Uruguay. But the thing is that in South America there is like 3 good teams, so the tournament isn’t as publicized.
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krob I disagree with your assessment of the DD line. I’m quite sure that DD made them better. He is a better playmaker and harder to get off the puck than Plekanec….and I love Pleks.
I’d sooner keep DD than Plekanec, even though Plekanec is better defensively by a mile.
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Not meaning any disrespect and not to imply that my opinion of your opinion is revealed truth but… your statement regarding Desharnais:
“He is a better playmaker and harder to get off the puck than Plekanec”
Is just plain nuts. We can all celebrate the great success Desharnais has had against the size-ism of the hockey world but lets keep it in the real world.
“Plekanec is better defensively by a mile.”
Now, there we are. Back to reality.
“Et le but!”
gotta agree with this, I have not seen anything to make me think DD is a better playmaker. DD seems to be better at the shootout.
Pleks has put up seasons of 69 points and 70 points, he stil managed 50 points last year playing with an ever changing rotation of guys(many who were 4th liners)…while drawing the harder assignments defensively, playing huge pk minutes,etc. I cannot say DD is better than Plekanec…until DD proves it differently..and he may very well…Pleks is better both offensively and defensively IMO…we will have to agree to disagree until DD shows me more….now dollar for dollar? easy choice but DD proved me wrong already as I thought he would not have the speed to compensate for his lack of size but instead he seems to have a work ethic that is off the charts…he appears faster than perhaps he is because he goes full tilt 100 percent of the time….that is awesome to watch and part of what makes him so likable. I like DD but Pleks is so complete and if given a purely offensive role (which theDD line was) I still believe he outscores DD.
Why is it year after year we read column after column about all the great players that have come later in the draft, yet hear we are talking only about the top 3 just because the Habs have one of those picks. Why should this year be any different than any other – no guarantees with any of these top rounders.
Teams get better real quick if you can find those nice surprises. Habs haven’t had a rookie of the year since forever, it would be nice if he is in this group, but odds say not. I’m interested in the “crop” of players the Habs can accumulate in the next year or two – not the number 3 pick this year. We all know how Montreal fans and media like to eat their young – so expecting some young 19 year old to turn this team around next year is crazy talk.
Scott Gomez is a Habs, and he was Rookie of the year.
Why is Gomez still a Hab? Can’t someone find Bergevin some letterhead and a Bic? I mean seriously. This is getting ridiculous.
There’s no hurry to send him to Hamilton, he’ll probably play the pre-season games.
It would be extremely shortsighted to do anything with Gomez before the new CBA comes out (except trade, which is about as likely as me getting drafted Friday).
We came pretty close with Ryder, but he was beat out by Andrew Raycroft.
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leaf fans and media are retarded , Eklund is such a joke , if anyone want to laugh go read what he says about the leafs
omg lol ya leafs are gonna get yak and nyuknyuk…
LOL… leafs get Yak, EDM just takes gardiner for it and all of a sudden that means shultz signs in edmonton… i really want what he’s smoking
Yeah…. because Gardiner is so Great that he’s equivalent to the #1 overall pick. And just because it’s so easy to do with their wealth of quality players, the Leafs are gonna get the 2nd overall pick from Columbus.
Next they’re gonna lock up Bobby Ryan longterm because, after all, Anaheim loves feeding Burke players (was it Beauchemin for Lupul and Gardiner?).
Harding re-signed with the Wild.
And a weak free agent pool gets weaker. Gotta think Burke HAS to pull the trigger on Luongo now. Which could distract him from trading the 5th, Schenn, Gustavsson, and Kadri for the top 2 picks in the draft, which he was totally going do.
no way he has enough to get the first 2 picks
oh I know, I’m just lauging at some of the leafs fans thinking he does.
me too
It just seems to me, given the draft class going for the number three ‘SAFE’ pick, Forsberg… Seems like the smartest thing to do.
Take a chance on Grigorenko?
Take a defenceman in Murray?
Take “a big strong guy with a tremendous shot, a love of physical play and capable of playing the hard, pro-style grinding game”?
Are there any other choices?
I’d love to plan on drafting Jordan Subban next year (assuming he develops at the rate PK did at his age). If Galchenyuk is gone at 3rd overall, we should avoid drafting Murray (a Dman) despite the praise that scouts have been giving him and just go with Forsberg or trade down for Teuvo or Grigorenko. Having said this, with our 2 2nd round picks next year, we might be able to pick Jordan Subban up then.
NHL revised 2007 draft.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=634928
Subban 4th overall, one spot ahead of Mcdonaugh
MaxPac is 8th.
Eller is 20th, they talk about a long term fit for MTL as a third liner.
While on the draft subject, one thing that often comes up is drafting the best player available versus drafting to your team’s need.
In 1984, the NBA’s Portland Trail Blazers used the second overall pick to select Sam Bowie, who filled a need on their team. The Chicago Bulls selected Michael Jordan third overal.
who was first
Hakeem Olajuwon, another Hall of Famer.
Bowie, not so much.
oh ya the dream
Exactly what I was saying last week with TomNickle. What if Murray is the best player available when the Habs pick? Do they take the best player available in Dman Murray, or do you draft by need and draft a big center? You could potentialy pass on the next Scott Neidermayer because you immediate need is for big center.
you make a trade if that were the case
Habs need for a male number #1 center is not new, and it doesn’t look like we have a serious prospect in our system (please don’t post about Eller, just don’t). And I have been fantasizing about finally getting a stud center since our tanque ™.
That said, my gut, as the reality approaches, says to take Ryan Murray and in two years have an unbelievable studly D with PK, Murray, Beaulieu and Tinordi.
The reality is it is deeper in the draft where the rocks are lifted that will make or break us. Remember that Halak and Markov were late picks.
I lit a candle in Notre Dame in Paris for the draft. Admittedly a 2 euro candle, not a 5 euro candle. I spent the difference on wine… is that so bad?
Size, grit and balls now?
Also, Manon Rhéaume now hates you.
My opinion FWIW is that there is a huge range of best player vs fills the need scenarios.
It wouldn’t matter if you needed D or Goaltending if you had 1st pick and Sidney Crosby was available.
It is different when you have a situation where you ask “How much better is Murray than the third best forward?” and the answer is not clear cut.
So I think Edmonton really needs help on the blueline but would be nuts to pass on the consensus #1 in Yakupov. If there is a consensus #1 and you don’t want to pick him you might as well trade down. However when you get down to the Habs spot if the “best player available” is not definitively better than the “best fit” then I think drafting for need makes sense
“Et le but!”
If I were picking for the Habs, I’d pick the best forward available.
It’s easier to decide in Jordan’s case, with nearly 20 years hindsight.
Agreed. If the second coming of Bobby Orr was available at #3 you take him regardless of need. But if it is just a choice of a pretty good defenceman vs a pretty good forward, take the best available forward.
My concern is if Galchenyuk goes #2 do you take Grigorenko (which is my leaning), take Forsberg (apparently the consensus “safe” pick) or trade down.
“Et le but!”
I’d take Grigo, if Yak and Gal are gone. Forsberg would come after those 3.
in my view management has a lot to do.
1) we need to size up our top 6 meaning one of BG, TP or DD has to go. my bet is they trade gio after they bury gomez. new management, new leadership on the ice. not an easy decision.
2) get some grit on d. only kaberle and emelin are over 205lbs. kaberle’s soft and emelin can’t fight. our biggest asset is price. we need guys that can protect him.
3) PG’s attempt to assemble a 4th line through last season was a failure. we need a balance of toughness and skill.
Markov and Subban both weigh over 205 lbs. Perhaps you meant to type 210 lbs?
why we should trade down to take Rienhart
It’s a dead easy decision. I made it a year ago, only not many people listened.
If you check the twitter feed of @MarkEdwardsHP you can see the actual combine heights and weights of players
Galchenyuk was 6’0.5″ 194lbs
Grigorenko was 6’3″ 200.4lbs
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Which size were their individual grit?
metric or Fahrenheit?
It’s crazy how much misinformation is out there. How can there be so many varying reports on height? Seeing them in their interview videos, it seemed apparent to me the Grigorenko simply has a bigger frame than Galchenyuk, but that could be movie magic.
You’ve got 2 factors.
1) Teams have been lying about the height and weight of their own players since they started publishing media guides.
2) When a website is guessing two small, its likely an old number, because these are 17-18 year old kids, still growing.
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I hope Galchenyuk is available at 3. Should we take Murray or Forsberg if he isn’t?
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I don’t know why everyone doubts Craig Button as a scout,while he was a scout for Minn.N.Stars and Dallas Stars:
D. Hatcher
J.Lehtinen
J. Langenbrunner
M.Turco
J.Iginla
B.Morrow
Not to shabby!
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His record as head scout is very good. Which is why he got the GM job in Calgary to begin with.
Its tough to judge him for the picks as GM of Calgary. The GM doesn’t have the time to watch all these junior kids play, he’s relying on the advice of his scouts.
His list is different from the consensus out there, but it doesn’t make it wrong, He is doing a pure ranking, not a mock draft.
We’ll have to wait at least 5 years to see if his ranking was right or wrong.
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Well here’s what I think we could pull off this year. The best thing about this roster is that it onle takes 1 move (Gomer to Hamilton) & we don’t lose any of our assets. The #3 Pick can be sent to Hamilton so he’s 100% ready for next year. Take a look folks!!!
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($8.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.750m)
Brad Staubitz ($0.650m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.250m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($4.500m)
Alexei Emelin ($1.500m) / Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
Carey Price ($6.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,878,333; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $421,667
If only it was that easy to net the 2 most sought after free agents.
Also, if you wanna keep Moen you throw a little raise his way.
Emelin might ask for more as well, depends on how he is valued in the KHL.
A person can dream I guess
Konopka!
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With Tinordi and Beaulieu knocking on the doorstep I doubt there will be any signing of UFA defensemen this year. That money will be spend elsewhere in my opinion. But the rest looks quite interesting, something that would be good to watch on the ice.
I think we must sign 2 UFA Dmen this year. Real men. One year deals, if they prove their worth they stick around for next year. I don’t want this team to get pushed around so much in their own zone this year…
Usually very tall people are measured 3 times in one day, morning, noon and at night, as the body can shrink and grow a little during the day. They are also measured 3 different ways each time, once standing up, once sitting, and once laying down.
I spent too much time on http://www.thetallestman.com/
The more I read about the draft and the more I use my legendary (in my own mind) powers of precognition, I see Yakupov and Galchenyuk going one and two. Either the Oilers take Yakupov and Columbus takes Galchenyuk (he’s American, NOT Russian, they will tell their fans correctly), or Edmonton swaps picks with someone and THAT team takes Yakupov, while Columbus holds with Galchenyuk.
That being the case, the alternatives are Murray, Forsberg, Reinhart, Dumba, or Teravainen.
I will say that personally I love the background on Teravainen: he’s young for this draft class, looked great in the U-18, and judging by reports is probably the slickest forward available after Yakupov and Galchenyuk. However, he’s smallish and I think the Habs are very deliberately going to move away from smaller players from now on. Somebody will get a great player when they pick him, though.
In this scenario, the Habs should probably take Murray. A lot of you will say that the Habs are loaded with D-prospects: well, not with D-prospects like this one, they aren’t. The Habs best prospect is Beaulieu, and while he is really good, he is not at Murray’s level even now, with Murray being a year younger. As for the Habs’ second-best prospect, Tinordi, he is not in the same league as a complete defenceman.
Forsberg is an RW (apparently, though the info on that is contradictory) and I think there are questions about his ability to score at the NHL level. The Habs don’t really need another RW.
Grigorenko is a tantalizing prospect, and a natural centre, and I honestly don’t believe his detractors … but Murray is a safer pick and could be ready to play right away, which I don’t think any of the forward prospects are. Even Yakupov. That said, Grigorenko is my second-choice after Murray, again assuming that Yakupov and Galchenyuk are off the board.
The rest of the top prospects look interesting, but they are all D-men, and after Murray I think they are not as attractive (based on team need) as going for a forward. Though Reinhart has a ton of appeal.
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I also have the sinking feeling that Galchenyuk’s stock has risen at just the right rate so that Columbus will take him – really hope not though.
The Habs really need an elite forward though. I’d rather they risk the pick on Grigorenko or Teravainen [or Forsberg maybe] rather than take Murray.
As for Beaulieu being the best D prospect, I’d say Tinordi is making a name for himself – and not in an offensive role either, but defensively, which is also something the Habs need.
Who knows, but McKenzie”s consensus opinion was Forsberg at 3 and Galchenyuk at 5. I was surprised, but it seems that Forsberg is rated much more highly off this board than on it.